Piano Tuner, The ~ Daniel Mason ~ 7/03 ~ Book Club Online
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March 9, 2003 - 09:03 am











The Piano Tuner

by Daniel Mason






"The sublime arrogance of the British colonial system is symbolised by the central conceit of Mason's accomplished first novel, in which an Erard grand piano is transported from late-Victorian London to a Burmese outpost, at the behest of Anthony Carroll, an eccentric army doctor intent on bringing about a rapprochement between warring tribes through the "civilising" power of music.

"The novel opens with the departure for Burma of Edgar Drake, the piano tuner Carroll has requested to repair the damage caused to the instrument by the inclement climate. Edgar, an innocent who has never been out of England, is flattered by the commission and intrigued by everything he hears about the maverick Carroll. Only when it is too late to turn back has he cause to regret his eagerness, discovering that he has become a pawn in a dangerous political game."
From the London Times...........by Christina Koning
Interesting Links

Interview with Daniel Mason .... "Read" Magazine
San Francisco Chronicle .... By Regan McMahon, Book Editor
Bold Type Magazine
About Burma


All About Erard Pianos .... with photos

Discussion Leader: Lorrie


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Lorrie
March 9, 2003 - 09:17 am
Hi, All you discerning readers! This is an extraordinary book--and one I am anxious to begin reading. Let's see if we can get a quorum here, and open a discussion on this book. Please post here and let us know your intention of joining us, if any. All we need are three participants beside the Discussion Leader! Let's hear from you!

The date has not been decided yet.

Lorrie

ALF
March 10, 2003 - 06:39 am
This sounds like a terrific book but with the summer coming and all the "running" around I wouldn't be able to join in until the fall.

BaBi
March 10, 2003 - 10:04 am
Let me see what my chances are of laying hands on the book, and then I'll know better whether I can join you. Sounds intriguing. ...Babi

victoria
March 10, 2003 - 02:37 pm
I'll commit - it sounds fascinating!

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 10, 2003 - 03:27 pm
I've read it - a wonderful romantic (in the true sense of the word) adventure story - It would make a great summer read - how about June or July...

Lorrie
March 11, 2003 - 05:04 pm
Sorry, Andy, we will miss you, that's for sure!

Babi, and Victoria, would it be at all possible if we designated this book for April for you two? Is that feasible with your library? Barbara, you said you have already read it, so that's not a porblem. If it is at all workable, that would make a quorum, and we could get ready to prepare.

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Lorrie

SarahT
March 14, 2003 - 08:01 pm
I'm in, Lorrie. This young author has created quite a sensation!

Penney
March 15, 2003 - 10:09 am
I guess this is a repeat message, Lorrie. I'l try to get the book soon and start it. I think I'll like it better than Bel Canto!

Penny

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 15, 2003 - 12:03 pm
Yes you will - a journey of romance rather than an in your face of cultural differences because of economic status within the same nation.

Lorrie
March 15, 2003 - 04:09 pm
Wonderful! We have our quorum, everybody, so now all we have to do is untangle the schedule of upcoming book discussions~ Keep posted.

Lorrie

Lorrie
March 15, 2003 - 09:59 pm
Sorry, Sarah, I am late acknowledging your post. It's really good to see you here, and I'm so glad you will be joining us!!

Okay, Barbara, Babi, victoria, Sarah, and Penney, you are all charter members of this discussion. The only thing we have left to do now is set a firm date, will get back to you on that.

Lorrie

BisBis
March 20, 2003 - 01:31 pm
I'm new to this group, and this sounds like a wonderful take-me-away-from-all-this type of book. I'll check for the start date.

Lorrie
March 20, 2003 - 06:32 pm
HEY There, BisBis:

WELCOME, WELCOME!

yes, it does sound like a real grabber, doesn't it? It's great to see you in here, and please keep checking back to see when we will begin, it looks like sometime this summer, perhaps. Hang in there, BisBis! (Love that name)

Lorrie

Gail T.
March 21, 2003 - 10:30 pm
I'm subscribing!

Lorrie
March 22, 2003 - 03:39 pm
And Gail, too! Wonderful.

Lorrie

dobedo1
March 29, 2003 - 12:00 pm
I enjoyed this book very much but it did remind me of Heart of Darkness. Did anyone else notice this?

Lorrie
March 29, 2003 - 02:54 pm
dobedo1:

Yes, in almost every review of this book there is mention of the similarity between the two novels.

Welcome, welcome! keep checking back for our scheduled announcement.

Lorrie

Hats
April 7, 2003 - 12:42 am
Hi Lorrie, if I can get the book, I will join the discussion.

Lorrie
April 7, 2003 - 08:17 am
Oh, Hats, tha'w wonderful! I am always so glad to see your name in among the Bookies. I think you'll like this book. I haven't read it yet, but the synopsis sounds terrific!

Lorrie

Aberlaine
April 10, 2003 - 04:25 pm
I've just discovered this discussion group. I belong to a book club at work. I'd love to read and discuss this book if it's during the summer. During the school year I'm buried in a textbook. I'll come back to see what's scheduled.

Nancy

Lorrie
April 10, 2003 - 05:41 pm
Helloo, Nancy!!

Welcome to our group, and if there is anything we can help you with, please let us know. It will be so good to see your name in among our posters when we start discussing "The Piano Tuner."

What great state are you from, Nancy? You don't really have to answer that question, because we respect our posters' privacy, just making conversation. It will be good to see you in PT.

Lorrie

Aberlaine
April 11, 2003 - 04:28 am
Thanks for your welcome, Lorrie. I'm from upstate New York. I still work full time but am an avid reader. When I have the time. I'm currently reading "The Lovely Bones" and listening to "Blessings" on tape. Over the years, I've collected all sorts of books from local book sales. Someday, when I'm able to retire, I'm going to read them all!

I'm so glad I found this site. Not only to read great books, but to have company doing so. And a lively discussion from what I've seen on these boards.

Nancy

Brit12
April 18, 2003 - 11:54 am
Just finished reading it..Would love to join the discussion group..mayI? It will be ny first time for a computer book discussion.Hope we fit the requirements.Just enjoyed the book so much I want to keep on talking about it!

Barbara St. Aubrey
April 18, 2003 - 05:20 pm
Welcome Brit 12 - looks like there is a good group going to read this book and comment together - usually Seniornet readings are done piecemeal - rather than commenting or criticing on the total story - we pull the story apart by focusing on a portion of the book each week dividing the book into as many parts as weeks in a month -

Most often the Discussion Leader gets us started with some discussion questions and then, as if we could sit around a table with coffee, or wine or whatever your choice we share - there is no striving for consensus only the sharing of our thoughts based on our understandings because of our individual views on life. Often there is something in the book that sets us off on a journey of research that enlightens all of us -

Hope you enjoy the process with the added advantage - the table is open and available 24 hours a day...

Lorrie
April 18, 2003 - 10:10 pm
Well said, Barbara! I couldn't have put it any better.

Nancy, and Brit12, I am so glad you are among the potential participants, I will be looking forward to seeing your comments as we go along.

Looking at our schedules in Books, it seems to me that August seem to be the most feasible month for us. Does August 1 suit the rest of you?

This is actually a really good "summer" read, don't you think?

Lorrie

Brit12
April 19, 2003 - 06:07 am
Could do it earlier, if everyone agrees. Ready to go at any time! Brit12

Jeanette Russell
April 25, 2003 - 09:21 am
Having read another critique of Daniel Mason's The Piano Tuner, I hope to join your discussion if the library has the book. There are already so many books in my library that I've been trying to read or re-read and give away.

Lorrie
April 25, 2003 - 01:47 pm
Hi, Jeanette! I did get a kick out of your title tag!

Your problem with so many books is shared by many of us. Especially when one is a Discussion Leader. That's why I like the idea of our Book Exchange, it makes me feel good that these old books are being read.

Welcome to our group, it is so good to hear from you. It looks now like August is our month, so i will go ahead and put up a more permanent heading for this discussion, and we can move the proposed date up to Aug.1. I have the book now, but I must confess I haven't read it yet. After peeking in once, I have a feeling that this is going to be a really good discussion, and this will be a good Summer read.

Lorrie

georgehd
April 29, 2003 - 03:42 pm
My sister in law just emailed me that I HAD to read this book. So I will get the book and look forward to the discussion.

Lorrie
April 29, 2003 - 10:04 pm
georgehd:

Good for your sister-in-law! We welcome you to ur group and look forward to hearing from you in August. Thank you for posting.

Lorrie

SarahT
May 6, 2003 - 08:00 am
Just got the book yesterday from the library - dying to read it. This author is from my area - San Francisco - and is a young genious from everything I've heard. Sweet, also!

Lorrie
May 20, 2003 - 12:05 pm
Okay, it looks like it's unanimous! I received responses from most of you who have shown interest, and all seem to agree that July will be all right to begin this discussion.

I haven't read the book yet, been busy with a lot of other things, but I am really looking forward to this. It appears to be a great story, and right now I'm ready for a great story!

In a few days I will be changing the heading above to a more permanent one, and it will have some links to articles and things relating to the book that you can check out before we begin the actual discussion.

Lorrie

cama
May 23, 2003 - 07:36 am
I just purchased the book and am excited about participating in this discussion.

Lorrie
May 23, 2003 - 11:27 am
WELCOME, WELCOME, CAMA! IT IS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOUR NAME HERE, AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR POSTS. IT WON'T BE LONG NOW!

LORRIE

SarahT
May 24, 2003 - 10:26 am
I'm almost done with the book and have been recommending it to everyone. It's a GREAT read.

Lorrie
May 24, 2003 - 10:20 pm
Thanks, Sarah. Coming from you, that's an especially appropriate recommendation, since i have always approved your choice of books. I have yet to start the book, but I am looking forward to it, as soon as time permits.

Lorrie

SarahT
May 26, 2003 - 03:22 pm
I finished it last night and miss it already!

annafair
May 26, 2003 - 06:24 pm
I will be buying the book and looking forward to reading and discussing with everyone.....anna

Lorrie
May 26, 2003 - 08:10 pm
ANNAFAIR! Welcome, Welcome! It's so good to see your name here. I am looking forward to this book discussion, and I surely like the people who have already expressed an interest in participting.

Lorrie

georgehd
May 28, 2003 - 08:04 am
I am in chapter six. This is a wonderful book. It is composed in the same way a piece of music is composed. There is careful consideration to the flow of words and how different voices blend together. One almost needs to listen to this book (I do not mean get an audio version).

The reviews on this page from Amazon.com are most impressive.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375414657/qid=1054134330/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-9292392-4738510?v=glance&s=books

I realize that the discussion has not started but the following link about Burma may be helpful to those who start the book early.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bm.html

Lorrie
May 31, 2003 - 03:36 pm
George, thank you for those links. I found the one about Burma to be highly informative, and I believe we will put it in the new heading, when we have it ready to go up. Thank you.

By the way, did you all know this author was only 26 years old at the time that he wrote this book? Also, from what i have been reading, he is still at present a medical student. good for him!

I'm pretty gutsy, so I wrote the author a letter in care of his publishers inviting him into our discussion, but actually I really don't expect much of an answer. He must be extremely busy, but we can but hope, right?

Lorrie

Hats
June 1, 2003 - 03:53 am
Lorrie, I am hoping. Good Luck!!

georgehd
June 1, 2003 - 12:29 pm
Three interviews with Daniel Mason:

http://www.identitytheory.com/people/birnbaum68.html

http://www.randomhouse.ca/readmag/volume3issue2/interviews/danielmason.htm

http://www.panmacmillan.com.au/resources/AI-DanielMason.pdf

Malryn (Mal)
June 1, 2003 - 05:37 pm

I have ordered this book and will be joining the discussion July first.

Mal

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June 7, 2003 - 01:41 pm
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Lorrie
June 7, 2003 - 10:25 pm
Welcome, Mal!

Well, now, here we are with a brand new heading up there, and some really fine links for us to peruse. By the way, did you all vote? Whether you like to read and discuss books or not?

Anyway, about those links. Check out the one Georg gave us, all about Burma, and I think it will interest you. Also there's a fascinating bit about the Erard pianos, mentioned in the book, and a cute little piano just to make it more interesting.

I haven't actually started the book yet, and I must stop this procrastinating and get with it. July 1 creeps up awfully fast.

Lorrie

Hats
June 8, 2003 - 08:03 am
Lorrie, the heading is very, very attractive. I have not started the book yet. I am excited about it. I am going to look over my links first. Thanks George for adding your link to Burma.

Barbara St. Aubrey
June 8, 2003 - 10:00 am
What is so great for me is the small firm I am now with is Erard and Associates with David Erard, the owner/broker - yes, much French history in our state - the first and only legations to Texas before we were a State and still and Independent nation is the French Legation located here in Austin - David's family is from east Texas and Casterville west of San Antonio one of the many French communities.

I was so caught up in the romance of this novel that reading it looking at it as British Imperialism was so far down my list that I completly dismissed that aspect of the story as I was reading - almost like an annoying fly that popped in every so often, because I did not see it as a overwhelming factor.

I was caught up in the relationship he had with his wife in London and later the mysterious meeting or the story teller aboard the ship on and on - this book transported me to fantasy dreaming as many a book did when I was a young reader and few have done since.

Lorrie
June 8, 2003 - 10:55 am
Thank you, Hats. I must say that I am so glad you will be joining us in July.

Barbara, Welcome!

Is there any possiblity that the Erards you know have any connection to the piano people? I understand that they originally were better known for the making of harps, than pianos.

I'm so glad you are caught up in the book, but Watch it! Don't give away too much for those of us who haven't read any of it yet. It will be so good to see your posts.

I have a good feeling about this book. I think we are all about due for a good rousing adventure story, and hopefully that is what this is, among other things!

Lorrie

Lorrie
June 22, 2003 - 07:58 pm
Well! We are picking up new posters as we go along, and that is great!

I've been reading some of the reviews of this book, and many compare it to Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" which then invites a comparison with Coppola's movie "Apocolypse Now." Perhaps we will be able to see some similarities as we get deeper into the story, but for now, I think it is safe to say that there is a definite air of anticipation in these beginning pages.

Now is a good time to find out just what the Burma that Mason writes about was like, and I found a pretty good pictorial site for places in "Colonial" Burma. Check it out:

Pictures of Colonial Burma

Lorrie

horselover
June 23, 2003 - 09:34 am
Lorrie, Your questions and the pre-discussion posts have intrigued me. I will try to get a copy and join in.

Your question about how "we conquer not to gain land and wealth but to spread culture and civilization" is particularly timely in view of our rational for conquering Iraq--to spread democracy and democratic values.

Barbara St. Aubrey
June 23, 2003 - 01:54 pm
Ah so the sinister aims of governing bodies with power - England, the Catholic Church, Proselytizing Religions and Faith-Based governments, Italy, Germany, France, our own Manifest Destiny and now we can add our name to this illustrious tradition or conquering another nation to build it to our liking.

Lorrie
June 23, 2003 - 02:00 pm
Horselover:

Good for you! Please do join us here when we begin our discussion.

Yes, that question #8 above struck me also as very timely, particularly as you said, with the advent of our "occupation" of Iraq.(?)

I might add that I regret that those questions are not my own, they were supplied by the publishers, Knopf, but please feel free to use and answer them at any time.

Lorrie

Lorrie
June 23, 2003 - 02:02 pm
Barbara, I believe we were posting at the same time. Anyway, in either case, well said!

Lorrie

horselover
June 23, 2003 - 04:50 pm
I bought a copy of "The Piano Tuner" today. It was the only copy in the bookstore, although there were dozens of copies of every Harry Potter book. Now I just have to fit it into my reading schedule.

annafair
June 23, 2003 - 05:36 pm
I finally had time to begin reading and now I am hooked. To me the sign of a good book is I have no desire to skip to the end and see how it turns out. SO THIS IS A GOOD BOOK. It makes me want to savor it.I feel as if I am listening to the "hero" tell his story and to use an old cliche I WAIT WITH BATED BREATH>>>looking forward to July ..anna

Lorrie
June 23, 2003 - 08:27 pm
Good for you, horselover, and you, too, Anna!

georgehd
June 24, 2003 - 11:53 am
Annafair and others - DO NOT skip to the end. Just enjoy the book as it unfolds. It is a musical book.

Lorrie
June 25, 2003 - 03:20 pm
In the links above, in the heading, there is one to an interview with the author Daiel Mason, in which he is asked where he got the idea of writing about piano tuners. His reply, I thought, was beautifully written: "As I wrote, I became more and more fascinated by piano tuning. While at first I thought of it as a relatively mechanical task, the more I wrote and the more tuners I interacted with, the more I realized that the act of tuning a piano is really quite sublime. A composer provides a song, a pianist the motor activity, and the piano the mechanics, but the tuner is one whose work transforms human motives and construction into beautiful sound. The idea of a broken piano is tragic, imagine the beauty in taking a contraption of metal and wood and strings and transforming it into something that can bring us Beethoven."

Lorrie

horselover
June 26, 2003 - 09:51 am
Lorrie, Your quote from the author proves that the more you learn about almost anything, the more fascinating it becomes.

Penney
June 26, 2003 - 10:55 am
horselover. You're scheduling time to read The Piano Tuner? I have begun reading while I do other things, Did you know you can cook and read??? Vacum and read? Okay so I'm not right now a great cook or housecleaner, but I'm learning a lot about 19th century Burma. What a book!

Lorrie
June 26, 2003 - 12:22 pm
How true, horselover, and Penney, I have this ludicrous picture in my mind of you peering nearsightedly at an open book in one hand, and a roaring vacuum in the other! Lol

Yes, I must say I admire the imagination of this young author. He paints such a vivid picture of what it must have been like in colonial Burma, and it all sounds so real!

I hope everyone has read the first five chapters by now, and we can start with them. As we always do in these discussions, we do ask any of the posters who have read the complete book to refrain from getting ahead of where the rest of us are in the schedule. I remember once when my husband and I went to a particularly suspensful movie, a young man behind us kept sniggering and then telling everyone what was going to happen. It's a wonder he got out of there alive.

Lorrie

Hats
June 26, 2003 - 12:27 pm
Lorrie, I have started it. I find it hard to put down. In some way, it reminds me of The Girl in Hyacinth Blue. There is the same type of beauty in this book. This time the beauty will be found in music and not art.

I am already excited because there is a mention of the poem Ozymandias.

I love your quote. I am anxious to go on the three month journey with The Piano Tuner.

It is difficult to stop reading.

Barbara St. Aubrey
June 26, 2003 - 01:56 pm
Ozymandias with several good links including one to the poem.

Hats
June 26, 2003 - 02:09 pm
Barbara, thanks.

Lorrie
June 26, 2003 - 06:10 pm
Good lnk, Barbara! Hats, I have always been in awe of that particular poem, I think mainly because of our fascination with Egyptian history. Speaking of Ozymandias, here's something that affected me deeply when I read it:

A few weeks after the catastrophe of 9/11, I read a coumn by Bob Ferrante from a New York newspaper, and I see now the connection to Shelley’s poem.

Ozymandias, or living in NYC copyright ©© 2001 Bob Jude Ferrante


...........................”In Brooklyn we are 2½½ miles from Ground Zero. We are the closest boro to downtown and we all work in Manhattan. Until 9/11 the World Trade Center was always there over our heads: Two big grey buildingtops squatting just above the roof. A nasty brutish (but not short) engineering marvel. At nineteen when the World Trade Center was going to be there forever, I wrote a bad poem where they were the topless legs in Shelley's Ozymandias. You know, "look on my works, ye mighty, and despair." We needed no TV to see what was happening. Ashes fell on us, burned memos clogged our trees, charred file folders swarmed our sidewalks. The smoke stayed three days: black the first day, grayblack the second, gray the third. There are still Auschwitz survivors living in Brooklyn. Some, whenever they close their eyes, still see smoke.” ...........................
and

..................................”A week after 9/11, I take my wife out for our anniversary and we take the Command bus home to Brooklyn. It goes through Ground Zero, which we haven't seen in person until then. The mayor's asked us all to stay out of the way of the rescue effort. Rising from the pit, smashed buildings all around, unearthly bright light emphasizing its lunar aspects, sits the twisted pile of steel, aluminum and glass, still burning, that used to be the World Trade Center. And then I repeat Shelley's words: "Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away." An old man drops a grocery bag. It bangs to the bus floor. Nobody stops to help him pick up the groceries. They are diving for the exit.”....................................

Lorrie

Malryn (Mal)
June 26, 2003 - 06:45 pm

The second image down is an 1840 Erard grand piano.

PIANO

Malryn (Mal)
June 26, 2003 - 06:51 pm

Listen to music played on an 1851 Erard grand piano.

LISTEN

georgehd
June 26, 2003 - 07:42 pm
These links may be of interest. Travel in Burma and Kiplings The Road to Mandalay.

http://www.sallys-place.com/travel/asia/mandalay.htm

http://raysweb.net/poems/mandalay/mandalay.html

Barbara St. Aubrey
June 26, 2003 - 08:36 pm
Oh Lorrie - oh oh oh...

Malryn (Mal)
June 26, 2003 - 09:00 pm

Shan paper (Page 20)

Lorrie
June 26, 2003 - 10:27 pm
Malryn: Those are wonderful pictures, thank you. The Erard looks to be quite massive, doesn't it? But my attention was caught by that absolutely striking Pleyel, in the first picture. Gorgeous! I'm sorry I am unable to hear the music, but I assume it is Chopin. And the segment on how parasols are made is fascinating!

  • *********************************************************************

    George, ever since I started reading this book, I've been reminded of Kipling's poem, and I can recall years ago somebody's deep baritone voice belting out the song about the "Road to Mandelay", and I remember wondering what "flying fishes" were! Thanks to all your links here, people, we are already learning a lot about Burma, aren't we?

  • ******************************************************************

    Hats, did I mention how pleased I am that you will be joining us? I am always delighted to see you participate in any of our discussions. That was an interesting point you made about the comparison between art and the music mentioned in this book. Something like this quote I just saw in one of the links:

    "...his playing of an 1851 Erard is revelatory....there is a brilliance and bell-like clarity in the upper registers...each note registering with a definition unavailable to the modern piano....the music does indeed emerge like an old master painting restored to pristine condition."

    The Sunday Times. 1851 Erard grand from Period Piano Co.
  • Hats
    June 27, 2003 - 04:01 am
    WOW, Lorrie!! I will have to print that out. How fitting!

    Mal, When I read about Shan Paper, I read that paragraph twice and still, my interest was peaked. Thanks for the clickable!

    Thanks, George! I definitely want to know more about Burma.

    Lorrie and Mal, thank you for more information about the Erard Piano. I never heard of Erard Pianos until now. Mal, I am so happy you put those clickables up. I can even hear one!

    This discussion will be so great because this book is just scrumptious.

    Hats
    June 27, 2003 - 04:07 am
    I hope it will not storm today because all of these clickables are worth enjoying very, very slowly.

    George, thanks for another poem.

    Lorrie, there is a quote from Dante's Inferno in the front of the book. Did someone else post about it?

    There is also a definition of the FUGUE. I am clueless about music.

    Malryn (Mal)
    June 27, 2003 - 05:05 am

    Hi, Lorrie and Hats. I don't know much about Erard pianos, either. Pleyel pianos were or are some of the best that have been made.

    I'm a musician; you probably know that. There is a precise form used in the composition of the fugue, and it's interesting that Mason gave a definition of it here because he may be referring to the way this novel is written.

    The quote says a fugue is:
    "A polyphonic composition constructed on one or more short subjects or themes, which are harmonized according to the laws of counterpoint, and introduced from time to time with various contrapuntal devices."
    If one doesn't know what polyphonic or contrapuntal means, it's hard to understand this quote. Polyphonic means "many voices". Counterpoint, from which the word "contrapuntal" is derived, is one of more individual lines of music which are woven around a melodic single line theme in such a way that any harmony you hear comes about when these lines meet and create a chord.

    On the piano, if you put your thumb on middle C and hold it, then strike E, the third note above middle C, and G, the third note above E, and the C above middle C, or an octave above, you will be playing the C Major chord. CEGC.

    Chords are what make "harmony." Rather than composing a piece with many chords like this, as Beethoven did for example (harmonic music), Bach composed separate lines of music, wove them in and out and around each other, having them meet harmonically only once in a while (contrapuntal music). The fugue is the most advanced and sophisticated musically of all polyphonic music.

    Did you ever sing Row, Row, Row Your Boat with someone? That's a "round", which is a simple form of polyphonic, contrapuntal music.

    In relation to this book, of which I've read only a little, perhaps Mason is suggesting that he's writing contrapuntally with a major theme and many other themes weaving around that, only occasionally meeting to form a harmonic chord.

    I hope I've made things clear here. It's very hard to describe music and forms of music with words.

    I'll try to dig up a manuscript of a fugue on the web so you can perhaps see what I'm talking about.

    You remember music, Lorrie. Perhaps you can hear a fugue in your head. I hear music in my head all the time. (Usually when I say that people think I'm a little crazy, which, of course, I am!)

    Mal

    Hats
    June 27, 2003 - 05:36 am
    Mal, thank you for explaining the Fugue. I am reading your explanation again and redigesting it. I did remember you had a musical background.

    All of these wonderful clickables and explanations will take days and days to explore. I am very excited.

    Some of those pianos are just gorgeous.

    I printed out George's Kipling poem. It is a new one for me.

    I can not wait to take this journey to Burma.

    I am so excited!

    Lorrie
    June 27, 2003 - 11:56 am
    Hats, I love your enthusiasm, and I must say, it is contagious!

    Mal, what a great explanation of what is a "fugue". The hollow sound you hear right now is my voice saying "Duh?" I am so ashamed that I know so little about music. But at least we will have the benefit of a true musician, with you, and I'm sure there are more posters who can comprehend these musical terms.

    Time's growing short, Folks!

    Lorrie

    horselover
    June 27, 2003 - 05:28 pm
    Lorrie, I like that golden glowing background you have for the heading. When I come to this page, it reminds me of the searing Burma sun described in the preface--"different from the sun that rose in the rest of the world."

    I also love that Daniel Mason has dedicated this book to his grandmother. I would love to see my name on the flyleaf of my grandson's first novel. What greater tribute!

    Don't forget that there is a second definition of the term fugue. A few years ago, I saw a documentary about a man who suffered from fugue states for a large part of his life. This illness was devastating for him and for his family. He would disappear with no warning, live a totally different life for a period with no memory of his family, and then return home with no memory of where he had been. I haven't read far enough to know how this relates to this book, but it will be interesting to find out.

    I'm looking forward to our discussion, too.

    Hats
    June 27, 2003 - 07:15 pm
    Lorrie, your questions and the links can not help but peak our enthusiasm.

    Horselover, is this "Fugue" state like amnesia?

    I love the heading too, and the cover of the book. When I look at the cover and the heading, I am reminded we are headed on a long journey to a foreign land.

    I missed reading the dedication. I did not realize Daniel Mason had dedicated it to his grandmother. From his photograph on the back flap, he is a pretty handsome guy. Well, that assessment was not necessary (laugh).

    Malryn (Mal)
    June 28, 2003 - 09:47 am

    You can "hear" Drake's emotions before he left England, described as the allegro con brio of Hayden's Piano Sonata no. 50 in D Major on Page 41, by clicking the link below. Scroll down to find the sonata, click Allegro con brio to hear this midi file. The file is good, but true dynamics of the piano are not heard.

    Lorrie, this music is moderately fast with a lot of diddle diddle diddle running up and down the scale in both the right and left hands that's typical of both Haydn and Mozart. Themes are stated, then developed; then there's a recapitulation and conclusion. The movement has a kind of agitated, excited sound. D major is a happy, pleasant key.

    Allegro con brio, Sonata no. 50, D Major, by Haydn

    Malryn (Mal)
    June 28, 2003 - 10:40 am

    Page 46. Fighting Temeraire


    Page 46. Liszt Piano Concerto #1 near top of web page on left

    Page 46. Schumann Toccata. Link is just under Schumann's name

    horselover
    June 28, 2003 - 05:18 pm
    Hats, Fugue states are not exactly like ordinary amnesia, since they can occur repeatedly and totally disrupt a person's life:

    Fugues are classified as a dissociative disorder, a syndrome in which an individual experiences a disruption in memory, consciousness, and/or identity. This may last anywhere from less than a day to several months, and is sometimes, but not always, brought on by severe stress or trauma. Dissociative fugue (formerly termed psychogenic fugue) is usually triggered by traumatic and stressful events, such as wartime battle, abuse, rape, accidents, natural disasters, and extreme violence, although fugue states may not occur immediately.

    Individuals experiencing a fugue exhibit the following symptoms:

    * Sudden and unplanned travel away from home together with an inability to recall past events about one's life.
    * Confusion or loss of memory about one's identity (amnesia). In some cases, an individual may assume a new identity to compensate for the loss.
    * Extreme distress and impaired functioning in day-to-day life as a result of the fugue episodes.


    If the amnesia of fugue occurs without an episode of unexpected travel (fleeing), dissociative amnesia is usually diagnosed.

    The use and abuse of certain medications and illegal drugs can also prompt fugue-like episodes. For example, alcohol-dependent patients frequently report alcohol-induced "blackouts" that mimic the memory loss of the fugue state and sometimes involve unplanned travel.

    I hope this helps answer your question.

    Penney
    June 29, 2003 - 03:25 pm
    Just in passing. One can suffer a fugue state and be perfectly normal. It can happen when you ae driving over familiar roads on which you travel regularly and you suddenly dscover you are at your destination with no memory how you got there. Its spooky but not dangerous unless it happens often. Then you may have a real problem with disassociation.

    On other matters. I just finished "The Piano Tuner". What an astonishing ending! I can hardly wait to see what others think about the book.

    Thanks to all of you who gave us clickables. They are great.

    horselover
    June 30, 2003 - 10:11 am
    Penney, You are a fast reader! I still haven't finished Chapter 5, but am enjoying the book very much so far.

    I'm not sure the driving episode you described is a true fugue state. It's more like daydreaming which can carry your mind away from familiar surroundings. This has probably happened to all of us at some time. Since you have finished the book, you may know what fugue states have to do with the story, but please don't tell us yet.

    Lorrie
    June 30, 2003 - 09:47 pm


    Good morning to you all!
    To begin our discussion, let’s take one of the questions listed above, and see what different answers you may have.

    With question #4:
    Why does Edgar decide to accept a mission to travel thousands of miles to tune a piano in a remote and dangerous jungle at the furthest outreaches of the British Empire? Why does his wife, Katherine, encourage him to go?

    I’ll admit I couldn’t quite understand the compulsion that seemed to drive Edgar, unless he simply is too intrigued by the bizarre details of the “request”, and evidently he needs to fill an emptiness in his pleasant, .happily-married life?

    Lorrie

    annafair
    July 1, 2003 - 05:41 am
    Lorrie I felt there were several reasons why Edgar went and his wife encouraged him. He loved pianos and to have one that really needed to be tuned would touch him. As the story goes we find a lot of the tuning he does is not necessary, not truly challenging so this would intrigue him.

    And for both of them I think they felt it was an honor to go. To be singled out first by the Colonel and by his country. It would be something they could share vicariously. When Katherine would explain his absence ..how important it must sound to say THE GOVERNMENT REQUESTED EDGAR TO GO.......impresses me.

    I am so caught up in this story ....and have started the next assignment but dont want to go too far so I can hear how others feel and think about it. AND THIS IS ONE BOOK I WILL NOT PEEK AT THE END.

    I am glad someone mentioned On the Road to Mandalay. I wish I knew who used to sing that because I can hear it in my mind..."And the dawn comes up like thunder out of China 'cross the bay" Made me want to start packing a bag to go.

    I have enjoyed all the preceding posts....am taking my book with me as I am staying with 3 of my grands...9-4-2 this evening while my son and his wife take in an event. I AM HOPING THE LITTLE ONES WILL GO TO SLEEP EARLY ...cant wait to see what everyone thinks...anna

    horselover
    July 1, 2003 - 09:50 am
    One answer is that Edgar is having some sort of mid-life crisis. He has never done anything he considers really important, and he has never left England or seen much of the world. His life has become routine. This commission is described as more than an ordinary tuning job. It is important for the preservasion of peace in the British Empire. He is now in "the service of Her Majesty." Katherine tells her friend that Edgar is "so excited, so filled with purpose. He is like a young man again." Some men, at this stage of life, buy a new Corvette. Some men join Doctors Without Borders and travel to strange, undeveloped countries to help those in need. Edgar has signed on to use his talents in the cause of peace.

    Lorrie
    July 1, 2003 - 12:01 pm
    A good take, Horselover. Yes, I do believe that Edgar was buoyed up by the idea of doing his duty for the Crown, and let's remember that he had this strange affinity towards the enigmatic Dr. Carroll. He felt somehow that they were kindred spirits.

    Anna fair, that rousing song, "Road to Mandelay", is, of course, taken from the well-known poem of Rudyard Kipling. I have also been reading about the journey to Mandalay on the Orient Express. How I would love to make that trip:


    "With the style and comfort for which the Orient-Express is famous, the Road To Mandalay provides the ultimate vantage point from which to absorb the surrounding serene beauty, taking in its golden-spired pagodas, ancient temples, sleepy riverside settlements and saffron-clad monks." Ah, for a magic carpet!

    Lorrie

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 1, 2003 - 04:44 pm
    There was nothing to hold him in London - he loved his wife but they had not children - he loved music and more important he loved the Erard piano as if it was one of his children - and like the Good Shepherd who would go to the ends of the earth to rescue one of his children - that was what was asked of him - I think Kathryn enjoyed saying he was going on a mission for the crown - he could hardly take time to read the various reports that were given to him in a secretive and time controlled fashion.

    I think he lived a comfortable life with a loving wife, who he loved but with no runs and trills to add spice to his life except the runs and trills of various pieces of music.

    I've just ordered my Hayden, Lizst and Schumann to listen to this month while we discuss the book --

    Lorrie
    July 1, 2003 - 05:23 pm
    Barbara, I believe your choice of music is very appropriate. Enjoy!

    Does anyone else get the feeling that we are part of a sort of travelogue? I do appreciate the vivid descriptions of all the ports of call that Edgar is making, and the remarkable people he meets, (like the Man with One Story, pages 54 thru ?) The author's prose is impeccable, like the passage on page 45, and the accuracy of the historical background is impressive.

    I found that reading Edgar's letters to his wife were very helpful, and make for a wonderful way to describe his adventures. This is a fascinating voyage, and we are kept wondering just what lies ahead.

    Lorrie

    Lorrie
    July 1, 2003 - 05:28 pm
    Can anyone interpret the meaning of the story the Deaf Man tells over and over? I am afraid I am lacking the sort of insight that could explain the nuances and meanings of how the unfortunate man became deaf. It has something to do with a woman singing,, can you see any symbolism there?

    Lorrie

    georgehd
    July 1, 2003 - 07:51 pm
    Have you noted (no pun intended) the conversation on pages 34-5 is without quotations marks. To me this shows the intimacy of the couple. It also made me think of the communication between musicians that takes place without punctuations marks.

    The juxtaposition of the Deaf man with one story in a book about sound and music, with many compositions is interesting. It is symbolic that music makes the man deaf. He loses a major sense because of music - an omen for this novel.

    I found the line "Only the piano tuner knows the inside of a piano" on page 41 had sexual conotations. anyone agree?

    Lorrie
    July 2, 2003 - 07:56 am
    Interesting analogies there, George!

    "communication between musicians that takes place without punctuations marks"-----I like that. Can you tell us in what way you see the deafness of the old man in the story as an omen?

    Yes, George, that whole paragraph on page 41 is full of sexual references, and similar sensuous connotations can be found further on in the book. Actually, I found the prose in that paragraph to be quite beautiful.

    Lorrrie

    georgehd
    July 2, 2003 - 08:03 am
    Lorrie, thank you for correcting "connotations". I do not want to say anything about omens. Remember I read the entire book; the comment I wrote was written when I read that page and it turned out to be correct. I do not want to give anything away.

    I am not rereading the novel but will join in from time to time using notes that I made. It is a very good book and quite timely.

    annafair
    July 2, 2003 - 10:40 am
    This book to me is a joy because of the language. So many new authors limit thier use of words to the lowest common denominator ...here we find beautiful prose, subtle hints and descriptions that make me feel what everyone is feeling. I feel I am feeling what Edgar felt and he sees. It is unique to come from a pen of a young man. I am in the next chapter and there was one description ( which I wait to share) that was so beautifully descriptive I held my breath and said OH YES YES I understand ...anna

    horselover
    July 2, 2003 - 10:57 am
    Lorrie, You are correct. Edgar "had this strange affinity towards the enigmatic Dr. Carroll. He felt somehow that they were kindred spirits." This is because they both came from lower middle class backgrounds, did not attend a University, and were self-educated. And Edgar believes they are better educated than many University graduates.

    George, You said,"Have you noted the conversation on pages 34-5 is without quotations marks. To me this shows the intimacy of the couple." However, Edgar's conversation with the boy Poet-Wallah on the train uses the same technique. So the author must be trying to convey something besides intimacy. Unless you want to suggest that the boy poet achieves an instant identification and intimacy with Edgar.

    Yes, I agree that Edgar's remark about knowing the inside of the piano has sexual connotations. It isn't that Edgar is sexually deprived; his relationship with his wife is described as loving and tender. But his relationship with the pianos is perhaps much more passionate.


    We don't really know if the old man's story actually happened or not. He obviously believes it did. Something may have happened when the boat broke up to cause his deafness, and he uses his dream or hallucination to explain this. Or his loss of hearing may be a form of hysterical deafness brought on by his traumatic experiences. What this means for Edgar, we don't know yet, but the last line of Chapter 5 is ominous. We know that Edgar is going to disappear!

    Lorrie
    July 2, 2003 - 12:05 pm
    I am completely dismayed. When we first put this discussion up for proposal, there were so many enthusiastic posters telling how much they were looking forward to this! But where are they?

    Victoria
    Bis Bis
    Gail T
    Dobedo
    1 Nancy (aberlaine)
    Brit12
    Jeanette Russell
    camabr>

    WHERE ARE YOU?

    Notice that I didn't mention you, George, or Horselover, or Barbara, or Annafair, our faithful posters who have already come in, but I do wonder what has happened to the others? Usually at the start of a discussion like this we are inundated with people wanting to be heard, but not this time. Is it the book itself? Please let me know.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 2, 2003 - 12:49 pm
    Hi Lorrie,

    I have read and reread the dream of the Deaf Man. I am totally confused. I don't have the capacity to interpret stories either. What Horselover wrote gave me further insight.

    During the Deaf Man's story, there is one part that stands out for me. He says

    "I don't believe it was the song that made me deaf. I think that after I had heard something so beautiful, my ears simply stopped sensing sound, because they knew that they would never hear such perfection again..."

    That thought really set my mind to wondering and thinking. Can music sound too beautiful for the human ear to handle? And what a wonderful experience to believe that you have heard the most beautiful music in the world. Then again, it could be a curse. To have the thought that the most beautiful piece of music has already been composed would make me feel sad. I would rather think that there is more and more beautiful works of music yet to come into being.

    dobedo1
    July 2, 2003 - 02:35 pm
    This book reminded me of Heart of Darkness. Does any one else feel that way?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 2, 2003 - 03:12 pm
    Yes I have heard other critiques say - The Heart of Darkness - it has been so many many years since I read it I just remember them going after the German ship that prowled the waterway or lake but do not remember the atmosphere the words created -

    I am also confused by the deaf mans story and was when I first read the book - especially when we read that everytime the man tells his story it changes to suit some aspect of the listeners life - and then his disappearance when he ends his journey only to re-emerge at the same dock many miles and waterways away - I finally just tossed it off to creating a fantasy or magic that this book held for me - I never got to deep into what governments were or not doing - it was all a romance novel to me in the old fashioned sense of the nineteenth century Romantics. I expected Kipling's Danny and Peachy to come sauntering out of the forests or come aboard the ship at any time.

    But back to the story of the deaf man - I can see him a tall gaunt raggedly dressed in sand colored Arab garb with clear pale pale blue eyes telling his story looking off to sea. I do not remember if he was described in the book or not but what ever that is how I see him in my head. And I see the ships railing made out of real wood with a canopy of stripped canvas over the deck where some of the passengers stand.

    Lorrie worry not about those who didn't show up - we are having a ball - this is a treat to read this summer of discontent.

    Lorrie
    July 2, 2003 - 03:39 pm
    Oh, My, that's so much better. Now I feel like an idiot, which seems to happen a lot lately. hahahaha Thank you for responding.

    Hats, I am so glad you mentioned that you didn't understand the symbolism of the Deaf Man. To be perfectly honest, I was completely in the dark as to the hidden meanings there, and I was afraid to admit that for fear of looking idiotic again. But it makes me feel better to see that someone else is mystified. "I would rather think that there is more and more beautiful works of music yet to come into being." What a lovely thought!

    Barbara, I love the mental picture you described. All of a sudden I got a mental image of an older Lawrence of Arabia sort of guy. But your description was wonderful.

    dobedo, so many reviewers have compared this book with Conrad's. One even called it,"Heart of Whitenes" which I thought was a bit much, and then some people compare it with the movie "Apocalyse Now", after a fashion.

    Lorrie

    annafair
    July 2, 2003 - 04:25 pm
    I know one who signed on and have emailed her ..she is a relative of my heart..one whom I an not related to but who I would choose for a relative. She lives in Iowa and I visited her in May. She has read the first two chapters and plans to read the remainder and sign on this weekend. I will tell her she is missed. She is so busy with her work she is living in a Rv for a week so she doesnt have to travel back and forth to home and doesnt have access to her computer. So I expect she will be here this weekend...and if not I WILL HAUNT HER. I will remind her how special she is and how dear I hold her..so when she reads this she will know I only said good things about her...of course I have no bad things to say about her either.

    I was puzzled by the deaf man and interested since I am nearly the same ...the melodies are lost to me and even very familiar pieces I have no idea what is playing ..I cant tell from just the bass. But I do know the idea that he heard such beautiful music he chose deafness as he knew he could never hear anything lovelier...that almost makes me weep.

    Lorrie NEVER fear being idiotic..I never worry if anyone sees me that way.,..since I think perhaps I am a bit anyway. anna

    horselover
    July 2, 2003 - 05:02 pm
    Hi Hats, Glad you are here.

    You are right to be sad that anyone would think that there are no more beautiful works of music yet to come into being. This reminds me of a time some years ago when some scientists thought that all the important scientific discoveries had already been made. This was before the discovery of the form and sequencing of DNA, which has led to so many other critical scientific discoveries. It was also before the deploying of the Hubbell telescope, which has let us see clearly to the farthest reaches of our universe. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea. The future is always unfolding, and none of us knows what will come.


    Barbara, I had to smile at your vision of Danny and Peachy appearing on the shore at Rangoon. The scene there is so similar to the crowded marketplace where Kipling's two heroes set off from on their hapless adventures.

    Penney
    July 2, 2003 - 05:20 pm
    I'm late, I'm late for this very important discussion. I have been interested in the discussion about the deaf man with one story. Lots of good ideas. I have finished the book and am afraid to comment for fear I will give more information than is to be discussed yet. Does the lack of quotation marks and/or identification of speakers bother anyone else? I often needed to go back and figure out just who is speaking.

    I agree that our "hero" must have had aging issues and maybe boredom had set in with his marriage. On the other hand what an opportunity to travel to Burma, repair a beloved piano and gain credit as a servant of the crown, as well as being paid a year's salary for three months time.

    I enjoyed the history conveyed in letters from the military personnel. Now I need to read more.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 2, 2003 - 05:57 pm
    Hmm just dawned on me - there is myth written in any good piece of lit. - even the book cover elludes to the water - a city barely reflected in a body of water that shows a near shore barely there but in shadow with a few bushes and trees. London is also on a body of water but we would never think to paint London in this golden color. He starts his adventure crossing a body of water -

    Water is symbolically the sorce of all potential in existence, the source and grave of all things in the universe, the first form of matter, the symbol of the Great Mother associated with birth, the universal womb; the flux of the manifest world, with unconsciousness, forgetfulness; alwasy dessolves, abolishes, purifies, regenerates, baptism by water, death to the old life, rebirth into the new, the immersion of the soul into the manifestt world. Crossing waters is to change from one ontological state or plane to another, it is also seperation as in crossing the sea or river of death.

    And a ship or boat is the bearer of the sun and the moon. Boats signify adventure, exploration, setting out on the sea of life and also crossing the sea of death, they share bridge symbolism crossing from this world to the next and the mast or tall smoke stack is the axis mundi the Tree of Life that centers the ship to the center of existance.

    Hmmm the wanderer engages in aimless movement where as the pilgram has a direct and purposeful path - I wonder if the deaf story teller is the wanderer who set out on a journey not knowing where it may lead him, the condition of a man caught in the cycle of birth and death until enlightenment and liberation are attained and as the Buddhist say until the motionless center is reached. Almost like in Literature the Wandering Jew who is in exile because he crossed the shadow of Christ carrying the cross.

    Let me see if I can find something about the Wandering Jew...aha this appears to be a good site - wether or not the deaf man fits the profile I just cannot tell but he seems like a gate keeper from one world to another -

    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/1720/wjfaq.htm

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 2, 2003 - 06:26 pm

    I see this as a very mystical kind of story in which music and poetry and reality all interweave as contrapuntal lines to form a whole. When I read the Deaf Man's story I thought of what Shakespeare had Othello say: "If 'twere now to die, 'twere now to be most happy." The Deaf Man has reached a peak or pinnacle. He retraces his steps through this voyage in order to find someone who has reached the same height in the same way. I think the story the Deaf Man told is a foreshadowing of what could happen to Edgar Drake.

    This particular piano tuner is more than a technician. He is a musician and a poet in his soul. He also is a physician. A piano to him is a living, breathing thing, not an inanimate object. Drake has intimate knowledge of all the parts of a piano and what keeps it alive. He also has an intimate knowledge of music and how it is produced. His ear is trained to hear the slightest change in pitch or tone.

    The humidity of a place like Burma is terrible for a piano. It can cause the sounding board wood to swell, the strings to expand and contract and break. Felts and hammers suffer, and so do the action and tuning pegs.

    In that kind of climate, as in places like Florida, a piano must be kept in the best possible condition and tuned often if it is to stay alive. If anything has happened to the sounding board through swelling or cracking, the life of the piano is seriously threatened. The felts on the hammers must be replaced if they, too, have been affected by the climate; so must the strings.

    The Erard piano in this book is a rare and beautiful instrument. I think Drake felt as if he were going on a life and death mission. He is the doctor who will save that gorgeous piano's life because he also is an artist, and only an artist can do it.

    I've known piano tuners who felt about their work as Drake does. One spent days just tuning my instrument. Another spent weeks restoring and tuning the piano my daughter inherited from her grandparents. Both were saving the life of those pianos.

    And, yes, George, there is a language among musicians that has nothing to do with words or quotation marks.

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 2, 2003 - 08:46 pm

    Components of the piano. Scroll down

    Hats
    July 2, 2003 - 10:55 pm
    Mal, made me think of a word that might further describe Drake. Drake is passionate about what he is doing. How sad to never have felt passionate about our work, a hobby, a place. Such a life would only be fit for a zombie. I think Barbara, among others, mentioned the piano tuner's love for his pianos. Then, I remember reading that he didn't have many friends. His small circle of friends are all piano tuners. His whole life is about what he loves, pianos.

    Carrol loves poetry and Drake loves pianos. Music and poetry, I feel that I will meet two men with romantic ideas or at least, hearts of hope.

    Lorrie, while reading The Deaf Man's story, I could not help but notice all of the interesting places and people who were mentioned in passing. There is Africa. "As I walked, the sun rose over the hills, which I knew meant that I was in Africa..."

    If my memory serves me correctly, I thought some parts of Heart of Darkness by Conrad took place in Africa. I might be very wrong. Like Barbara, I read that book a very, very long time ago.

    Then, there is the mention of Arabia and Egypt. "I was wrapped tightly in my headdress, which must have unraveled and clung to my body like a child's swaddling or the mummies they pull out of the Egyptian sands."

    This book makes me want to go a traveling. Then, there is the mention of the Berbers. Are the Berbers Arabians or Africans or...????

    "We traded for herbs with the nomads there. And this little leaf I recognized as the plant we call belaidour, and Berbers call adil-ououchchn, whose tea brings the drinker dreams of the future, and whose berries make women's eyes wide and dark.."

    I remember a book about nomads published years ago by National Geographic. There life is hard. Still, I would like to experience it for just one day.

    The Deaf Man goes on to explain that this plant grows in the mountains not by the sea. I wanted to see and know more about that plant. Loving plants, herbs, flowers, trees can make travel more and more exciting.

    Yes, Horselover, I know exactly what you mean. "The future is always unfolding." Exactly.

    Lorrie
    July 3, 2003 - 06:37 am
    Oh, this is so much better. Thank you, all!

    Annafair:

    Your post touched me a great deal. Please don't hassle your friend, I'm sure she will find time later. How good of you to worry, though.

    Penney:

    Yes, I'll admit the dialogue without quotation marks irks me. I find it quite distracting, and like you, have to go back and forth to make out who is saying what. However, the descriptive prose in this book is breathtaking, sometimes. Don't you agree?

    Barbara:

    Thanks ever for the link to more information about "The Wandering Jew." I have come across that phrase so many times in my reading and never really knew what it was all about. Your link brought me to a very informative site.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 3, 2003 - 07:46 am

    I find it hard to compare the Wandering Jew with the Deaf Man. The Wandering Jew was condemned to wander the earth. The Deaf Man retraced the steps of his voyage because ". . . I want to find another soul who has heard the song that made me deaf." (Page 66) His wandering was his own choice, a quest of his own making. The Wandering Jew's wasn't.

    There are clues about Edgar Drake on Page 77.
    "In many ways our professions are alike (his and Carroll's), rare in that they transcend class distinctions -- everyone becomes ill, and concert grands as well as gin-palace uprights get out of tune. Edgar wondered what this meant for the Doctor, for he had learned early that being needed was not the same as being accepted. Although he was a frequent visitor to upper-class homes where the owners of expensive pianos often engaged him in talk about music, he never felt welcome. And this distinct sense of estrangement extended in the other direction as well, as he often felt awkwardly refined in the presence of carpenters or metalsmiths or porters whom he frequently contacted for his work. He remembered telling Katherine about this feeling of not belonging . . . ."
    Drake feels as if he doesn't belong in his life in England. (I know the feeling.) He identifies with Carroll. Will he feel as if he belongs when he meets the Doctor?



    I think the Shan and Shan culture are important to this book. I've been doing some searches. What I find is news of today, which is remarkably similar to what I read in this book. If I find something relevant, I'll post a link.

    Mal

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 3, 2003 - 09:20 am
    Just had to go on a little cyber walk and find what I could about the Berbers - this is a book that reminds me of the books I loved when I was in seventh and eighth grade - full of exotic places and romantic adventure - Thanks Hats for bringing up the Berbers.

    Remember way back there the movie Desert Song with oh what was that wonderful singers name - something McCray - and more recently - again a senior moment not the 'Lion in Winter' - something about the lion - during Teddy Roosevelt’s time a young mother with her two children are taken by an Arab Brigand after he slues everyone in her house. The women is played by Candice Bergen - I think the Arab Brigand is played by Sean Connery. It seems to me both movies were about desert people that were most likely Berbers.

    This is a great Berber site with many other links -- http://www.al-bab.com/maroc/soc/berber.htm

    and this site is actually linked in the above site - I found it before I found the above site and it is a not to be missed bit... -- http://www.net4you.net/users/poellauerg/Berber/berber.html

    The following two sites are from the Encyclopaedia of the Orient which is almost complete with everything you ever wanted to know about the Middle East, Northern Africa etc. --

    http://lexicorient.com/e.o/berber.htm

    http://lexicorient.com/e.o/berbers.htm

    And finally this site has 19 fabulous photos of Berbers -- http://www.danheller.com/berbers.html

    Malryn hope you find some good stuff about the Shaws

    horselover
    July 3, 2003 - 09:49 am
    Hi Gang, It's great to see so much lively discussion of this unusual story. Some of us just finished a book that focused on the consequenses of class distinctions and how they shape character ("The Little Friend"). And now we have another character who feels the weight of class distinctions on his life. Edgar feels he does not belong in the upper class homes where he goes to work on beautiful instruments that are not always appreciated by their owners. Nor does he feel at home with tradesmen, except for other piano tuners. Still he feels an affinity with Carroll, a man he has never met, but a man he thinks of as a soul mate. It will be very interesting to see the interaction between these two when they finally do meet.

    Edgar's letter in which he tries to educate the military men about the beauty of the Erard piano is both informative and sad. Of course, the author also uses this letter as a means to forecast future events. We wonder why his letter would be sent to cryptographers, and examined under magnifying lenses. This is the sort of behavior one might expect if the military suspected they were dealing with spies.


    Hats, I believe Berbers are Arabs.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 3, 2003 - 10:02 am

    Photos of Burma

    Shan state buddha

    Shan boys

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 3, 2003 - 10:11 am

    Shan state map, showing the Salween River

    Shan state people today

    Shan markets, click thumbnail to enlarge

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 3, 2003 - 10:33 am

    Shan Religion and Culture

    Hats
    July 3, 2003 - 11:22 am
    Barbara, Mal and horselover,

    I am excited about all the wonderful links.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 3, 2003 - 12:34 pm
    Oh Malryn I have spent nearly an hour in some of these links - fabulous - in the link for the Shan people today there were photos of a Colonial hotel in Mandaley that you have to wonder if that is where Daniel Mason spent time - the forest or jungle photos are really giving a sense of the interior - it makes you want to find all the airmiles you can and take off - just wonderful links Malryn!

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 3, 2003 - 03:24 pm

    Burmese Saung Gauk music. Turn on your sound

    Mandalay fort

    Mandalay

    Interactive map. Click red dots to see more

    horselover
    July 3, 2003 - 06:25 pm
    Emerging from the shadows, Burma now beckons,
    offering infinite beauty and a way of life
    that is literally out of this world.


    We are all going to visit Burma through Edgar's eyes. How wonderful that he is such a sensitive, passionate person who can see the beauty of this strange land.

    Lorrie
    July 3, 2003 - 07:01 pm
    Wonderful links there, everyone! Mal, they're great!

    And Barbara, I think you were thinking of Gordon MacRae, who had a lovely baritone voice, and who was in one of the "desert" films. And is Rudolph Valentino way, way before our time? How women would swoon over his role as the sheik! I saw one of his films recently, and even though the acting was almost laughable, (silent film) there was something about the eyes..........................

    Horselover,

    Yes, I felt there was something a little sad about the way Edgar wrote that letter explaining all about those wonderful pianos. It's almost as though he was trying to focus their attention on what he considered more important.

    Dear Hats, like you,I am looking forward to seeing the rest of this journey. From what I could see, the first half is all about the voyage, and the second about what happens when he gets to his destination. In the meantime, the author's impressions and descriptions of what he is seeing and experiencing in fascinating.

    So far you are all doing a splendid job of not "spilling the beans." I know some of you have finished the book, and it's a temptation to jump in here and mention something we haven't come to yet. I appreciate your self-control, hahahaha

    Lorrie

    Lorrie
    July 3, 2003 - 07:10 pm
    I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A HAPPY AND SAFE INDEPENDENCE DAY!

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 4, 2003 - 09:26 am

    In the beginning of this book there is a letter to Edgar Drake from Colonel George Fitzgerald, Assistant Director of Military Operations, Burma and East India Division. In it there is talk of Surgeon-Major Anthony Carroll and the Erard grand piano Drake is asked to tune and repair. Later Drake goes to the office of Colonel Killian, Director of Operations for the Burma Division of the British army. In briefing Drake, Killian talks a great deal about Carroll's past and the history of Burma and very little about what Drake is supposed to do to the piano.

    When I first began reading this novel I thought it was boring. All these military facts were not what I expected. I have since concluded that there are two protagonists in this book, not one -- Edgar Drake and Anthony Carroll, and the piano is only the catalyst which eventually will bring them together. I wonder if anyone else feels this way?

    Mal

    georgehd
    July 4, 2003 - 10:01 am
    Mal, I was not bored at first because I liked the writing style. There are indeed two protagonists against a backdrop of the British class system and British Imperialism. These four entities make for a marvelous read.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 4, 2003 - 10:25 am
    Yes and what struck me you had the sense Edgar was removed from the issues of the army and government - he was not quite annoyed but certainly not caught up in the importance the army and government wanted to make of his trip - that he had to go through their hoops when all that was important in Edgar's eyes was, there was a piano in need and any man who had such a piano must be worthy of esteem.

    Lorrie
    July 4, 2003 - 12:04 pm
    I tend to go along with george's train of thought. I feel that there is a lot in this book pertaining to the British class system and Imperialism. There is so much emphasis on the "Colonialism" Burma, and I have a feeling there will be more. And yes, Mal, those two do appear to be the main protagonists here.

    I am a little curious as to what differences there are, geographically, to the present day Myamar and the Burma that Edgar is seeing for the first time. Incidentally, the present-day Myamar is in the headlines quite a bit, lately.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 4, 2003 - 02:00 pm

    1900 map Burma

    Geographic map Burma

    Forest map Myanmar

    Myanmar map

    horselover
    July 4, 2003 - 02:24 pm
    Everyone has eaten their fill and is now waiting for it to get dark enough for the town to set off the fireworks, so here I am reading your posts.

    It does take a while to get into this book, since nothing much happens in the first five chapters. It seems strange to say this when the main character disrupts his entire comfortable life to take on a dangerous job in a distant wartorn land. But, although we learn about this, what we actually see is the character reading lots of papers and going from train to ship, moving his luggage. This in itself is not very exciting, although it holds the promise of future adventure and peril. It is the sort of story where the character(s) have to grab you and make you want to find out more about them, or you could get bogged down in all the detail.

    I do agree with George that the British Class System will inevitably play a large role in any story about colonialism and Imperialism.

    I hope you are all enjoying the holiday!

    Lorrie
    July 4, 2003 - 07:32 pm
    Thanks, Mal. The map of Myanmar makes it easy for me to follow the really horrendous journey Edgar is making to get to where Dr. Carroll is.

    Horselover: In this state, fireworks are illegal, so any enjoyment of them must be surreptitious, at least. I can't wait to turn on the TV and watch the Boston Pops do the 1812 Overture with all those itty bitty cannons going off one after another. Happy Holiday.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 5, 2003 - 06:46 am

    Mason gives a good deal of background in these first five chapters which I think is important later in the book, so I have summarized part of this background, mainly for myself.

    A General History of the Shan written by Surgeon Major Anthony Carroll is introduced in Chapter Five. The Shan established a number of kingdoms and ruled Burma for over three centuries. They were invaded by the Chinese in 1604, and the Shan holdings became fragmented. Rule of them became fragmented, too. In 1870 there were forty principalities ruled by a sawbwa. There were divisions under this rule which caused what Mason calls "internecine wars" on the Shan Plateau and "a failure to unite to throw off the yoke of Burman rule." Bandits called dacoits are a challenge.

    There was a rebellion against the Burmese government, the goal of which was the overthrow of the Burmese king Thibaw and the crowning of a suzerain who would repeal a land tax (the thathameda tax). There were many thrones left vacant when the Limbin Confederacy retreated to Kengtung. As I understand it, the British support the Limbin Confederacy.

    A defrocked priest "turned local brigand" named Twet Nga Lu led attacks on Mongnai, a "reign of terror".

    British officer, Surgeon Major Anthony Carroll commands the fort at Mae Lwin and has been trying to contact the warlord Twet Nga Lu in order to bring peace to the Shan Plateau.

    Nothing has been said about the Erard piano Edgar Drake has been commissioned to repair and tune, so he responds to the reports he receives from the British War Office and Surgeon Major Carroll with a history of the Erard piano. It is at this point in the book that I have begun to think the Shan, the dacoits and Twet Nga Lu are much more important than the piano. I wonder how the Shan and Twet Nga Lu will affect the future of Edgar Drake?

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 5, 2003 - 08:05 am
    "The Shan states had for centuries staged periodic uprisings against Burmese rule. In the 1880s these hardened into a movement called the 'Limbin confederacy'. While the Shan fought the Burmese, the Burmese were fighting the British. When the British took Mandalay, the Shan switched enemies and declared war on British rule. To complicate things further, local warlords, or dacoits, such as the legendary bandit prince Twet Nga Lu, launched ferocious campaigns of violence against the Shan. In their attempts to pacify the Shan states and secure their eastern frontier, the British established outposts in the remote Shan territory. The Limbin confederacy was savagely put down in 1887, and the bandit prince was captured and shot."

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 5, 2003 - 09:53 am
    Yes Malryn, but further I see chapter five listing for us the litany of opposites - I see Edgar more enchanted with his journey and the love of his piano on one side of the axis where as the war, the power struggle between the war lords, (Carroll and Twet Nga Lu) the fight for dominance between Britain and Burma, the use of the piano in that fight on the other side of the axis.

    The piano like nuclear energy can either light up a city or blow a city to kingdom come. I have seen folks who in their awe of how an atom bomb operates, use the science to explain how God works in our spiritual lives just as we know others see the atom bomb as a stepping stone to more destructive science or power control.

    And so that is how I see Edgar, oblivious to the politics of war, not rebelling against the procedures in use by the warring power leaders which regulates his life, just doing what must be done to satisfy the regulations but more important to him is, seeing and relishing in the beauty surrounding him while adding to that beauty his love, his passion, of assuring that the Erard is a perfect sounding instrument.

    In my efforts to fathom an analogy the only thing I can come up with is, there are scientist or doctors in every profession whose life work is to create and keep perfect the discoveries of science; they are the artists of the world attacking their work as an art form, regardless who uses the object of their work or how the object of their work is used. And others are opportunists who use the discoveries of science to build personal and national power - in affect we have the difference between the philosophy of Post Modernity versus the philosophy of Modernity playing out in this story.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 5, 2003 - 10:05 am

    Well said, Barbara, but could it be that the piano in the book is a decoy for something less altruistic? I'm getting suspicious about the reasons why Carroll wants Drake in Burma.

    Mal

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 5, 2003 - 12:11 pm
    Malryn without giving the story away I will say just watch Drake as a Post Modernist - Carroll, true to a Modernist will attempt to 'use' anything that will further his cause and is caught up in the power plays that is typical of the exclusivity and trajectory toward dominance characteristic of Modernity where as Drake is more about inclusiveness.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 5, 2003 - 01:36 pm

    Barbara, will you please define what you mean by "Modernist" and "Post-Modernist"?
    I'm getting a little mixed up with language and terms here.

    Thank you.

    Mal

    horselover
    July 5, 2003 - 04:36 pm
    Edgar Drake and Anthony Carroll have not yet met, but Edgar senses a kinship with this man which goes beyond their shared class origins and lack of formal university education. Both are men of peace. Carroll is trying to pacify the furthest reaches of Burma with music and free medical care rather than military force. Edgar is unfamiliar with the use of guns, and finds the killing of living beings totally foreign to his nature. I have not read past Chapter Seven, but somehow I get the feeling that this vast uncivilized place will ultimately swallow these two men despite their efforts to bring British civilization into this lawless jungle.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 5, 2003 - 05:26 pm
    OK this is not a complete thesis but the best I can do for now...

    Modernity is bound to logic - science - self-determination - the conflict between human and divine law is seen in the abstract.

    The Age of Enlightenment liberated from the restrictions and impositions of myth, tradition and the medieval conception of faith, concluded the study of Scripture was an endorsement for one's personal beliefs. Followed is Modernity which provides a solution to human conflict arising from the struggle of faith and reason as simply the conflict between science and religion.

    Modernity is about conquest, the discipline of the soul and the creation of truth, the constellation of power, knowledge and social practices that first emerged in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries.

    The Modern Age, is recognized by the study of sciences of geology, sociology, psychology, and biology; material abundance through superior technology, effective government through rational social organization.

    Natural selectivity was advanced as 'human' selectivity - based in personal wealth, empire making, imperial regulation of land.

    States were re-organized on the basis of nations. Yet, with no firm boundaries. Dominate is the establishment of a capitalistic economic system, the social world becomes rigorous, secular, legitimizing whatever sounds rational. Modernity it the age of metanarrative legitimization (if the story is printed it is true). Economic, political and military practices are controlled by the state. Rationalization makes the world orderly and reliable but cannot make it meaningful - Ambiguity reigns!

    Modernity: steel, steam and speed sacrifices natural resources at the temple of modernization. Instead of leading to this 'promised land', it has brought the globe to the brink of environmental and cultural disaster.

    Modernity is based on the perspective coming from the wealthy and economically developed parts of the globe. Consequently the policy-making and the formation of institutions do not represent the needs of the individual state, but follow the concept of globalization. Modern technology is not sustainable because of the depletion in resources. The belief in reason and science and the ideal of liberating humanity from the fate of natural forces, transformed nature into something that needs to be conquered.

    We are only now accepting the dark face of Modernity. Post-modernity is saying the story is bankrupt. Ordinary life, is not so much the study of knowledge as moral and spiritual. Ordinary life virtues emphasize benevolence and solidarity. But modern individuals, trying to meet these demands, experience instead a growing sense of anger, futility, and even contempt when confronted with the disappointments of actual human performance.

    Post-modernity is the democratizing of knowledge especially in computerized societies. Language is political in motivation, and relates to the close links between knowledge and power.

    Post-modernity as an age of fragmentation and pluralism. Science, technology and scientific institutions are scrutinized and moral claims are made equal to modern science. The traditional world is disintegrating - there are now issues of mixed race.

    Modernization puts forward a racist point of view in history, culture and social or environmental relationships. Yet, honoring culture is the unprejudiced view in current policy as well as, methodology for resolving conflict between nation/state boundaries. Recognition of diversity is honored as we learn and value local culture: local history is collected through stories and legends not previously made public.

    Woman have emerged on the political scene and enjoy a legal status that has opened doors traditionaly closed providing women with many opportune choices in life style as well as, learning and using a variety of job related skills. Male and female roles and behaviors are blurring.

    Globalization has been a quest for environmental imperialism. The green, the economic and political institutions are changing the ‘Hydraulic Mission' of Modernity.

    Questions arise how we see education in poor countries, that universal education, health and nutrition is a goal.

    Post-modernity is not so much replacing Modernity as changing some of the precepts.

    Barry Burke investigates post-modernism and post modernity

    Although this story is set in time when Modernity was in full flower Edgar's behavior has many of the characteristics of Post-modernity

    Lorrie
    July 5, 2003 - 08:10 pm
    Let's not all get too immersed in the philosophy of Dr. Carroll just yet. Remember, the only clues to Carroll's temperament and philosopy are those that Edgar read in his meagre correspondence. He has yet to meet the man.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 6, 2003 - 06:24 am
    I think the Poet-Wallah is interesting. He sells poems. The Poet-Wallah says his poems are prophecies. Somehow he knows that Drake is on his way to Burma. The Poet-Wallah will recite a poem for a certain amount of money. He picks The Butterfly Spirit for Drake.

    I have not finished all of chapter five. So far, I don't see the whole poem, The Butterfly Spirit, quoted. Maybe the words are given later in the chapter or not given at all. The title seems full of meaning.

    The title, The Butterfly Spirit, made me think again of the definition of a Fugue state given in the beginning of the book, "A flight from one's own identity..." I think this poem, in some way, is related to the Fugue state.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 6, 2003 - 07:04 am

    The Butterfly Spirit poem may refer to the Fugue State, but I can't see that Edgar Drake is in a Fugue State in any of the chapters of the book I've read, and I've read most of the book by now. A non-scientific definition of the Fugue State is described as the same kind of focus and concentration Drake has when he is tuning a piano, but that is not a real Fugue State, according to the Gale Encyclopedia of Psychology which can be found HERE. The Fugue State is described below.




    "Fugues are classified as a dissociative disorder, a syndrome in which an individual experiences a disruption in memory, consciousness, and/or identity. This may last anywhere from less than a day to several months, and is sometimes, but not always, brought on by severe stress or trauma. Dissociative fugue (formerly termed psychogenic fugue) is usually triggered by traumatic and stressful events, such as wartime battle, abuse, rape, accidents, natural disasters, and extreme violence, although fugue states may not occur immediately.

    "Individuals experiencing a fugue exhibit the following symptoms:

    "Sudden and unplanned travel away from home together with an inability to recall past events about one's life.

    "Confusion or loss of memory about one's identity (amnesia). In some cases, an individual may assume a new identity to compensate for the loss.

    "Extreme distress and impaired functioning in day-to-day life as a result of the fugue episodes.

    "If the amnesia of fugue occurs without an episode of unexpected travel (fleeing), dissociative amnesia is usually diagnosed.

    "The use and abuse of certain medications and illegal drugs can also prompt fugue-like episodes. For example, alcohol-dependent patients frequently report alcohol-induced 'blackouts' that mimic the memory loss of the fugue state and sometimes involve unplanned travel."

    Hats
    July 6, 2003 - 08:08 am
    Is it possible The Deaf Man experienced some kind of Fugue state????

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 6, 2003 - 08:19 am

    Hats, I had the impression that the deaf man found it impossible to go home again after the profound experience he had, so he kept taking the same trip over and over looking for someone who had been through the same thing.

    To tell the truth, I find a great deal in this book that is fugue-like in a musical way and very little that is like a psychological fugue state. There is a dream-like quality in parts of the The Piano Tuner, but that isn't really what a amnesiac fugue state is.

    Mal

    georgehd
    July 6, 2003 - 08:27 am
    I have wondered why so many posts were dealing with the fugue as a psychological state in this book. This is a book about music, written IMO in a musical way. The whole point of the book is to think about the role that music can play in the life of civilizations.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 6, 2003 - 08:37 am

    Below is a link to a page I set up which has a Bach Fugue on it. Listen to how the same melody is played over and over with various kinds of embellishments around it. The first musical theme (or melody) you hear is the one that's repeated throughout this fugue. It's my opinion that Mason used the Fugue form in music as a way to write this book. That is to say, a main theme repeated over and over with other lesser themes revolving around it and embellishing it.

    Bach Fugue

    Lorrie
    July 6, 2003 - 09:00 am
    Hats, I, too, wondered about that episode with the poet. On page 69 and 70 there is a particularly moody rendition of how the Poet-Wallah tries to give Edgar the full meaning of the "Butterfly Spirit", but is literally pushed off the train. I have a feeling that we will hear more about this poem.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 6, 2003 - 11:37 am
    Lorrie, thank you for those page numbers. I like the title of the poem too. The title is very beautiful. Some people give a symbolic meaning to the life of a butterfly. Maybe some part of what the Poet-Wallah is trying to tell will be picked up later. I hope so.

    Hats
    July 6, 2003 - 11:59 am
    In the beginning of The Piano Tuner, there are two definitions given for Fugue. One definition is musical. The other definition is psychological. I am thinking that Mr. Mason, in some way, will blend the two definitions of Fugue together before we reach the end of the book.

    I do not know much about music. I do know that I can not listen to music without an emotional reaction. This is why I relate music to psychology. This is why I think Daniel Mason will use both definitions. It is the psychological part of ourselves that relates to music and poetry.

    In the front of the book, this is the second definition given for Fugue.

    2. Psychiatry. A flight from one's own identity....

    How this definition will fit into The Piano Tuner, I don't know. I do believe it will, as I said above, coincide with the musical definition of Fugue.

    It is my feeling that Drake will become a different man after his journey to Burma. I do not believe that he will be the same man whom we met in England. It is a beautiful country which is in turmoil. Surely, all of the contrasts to his own country will change Drake.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 6, 2003 - 02:54 pm

    It is interesting that the word, "fugue", comes from the Latin word "fuga" which means "flight". In the science of psychiatry the word means, as Hat has said, "a flight from identity", or a kind of amnesia caused by severe trauma usually. At least that's what the Gale Encyclopedia of Psychology and my dictionaries say.

    All the dictionaries I've looked at have these two definitions of the word "fugue", and Mason states a dictionary definition in the book. Drake does not fit the psychiatric description, since as far as we know a severe trauma did not cause his taking the job in Burma, though he certainly will change because of his experiences there. Who wouldn't? I know I would.

    Perhaps what we should look at is the word "flight". Was Drake fleeing a rather dull, ordinary existence? Or will his flight come later in the book?

    I was trained in music from childhood to adulthood; studied both piano and voice a long, long time; studied music on a scholarship at a conservatory for music and in college. I also have been a performer in recitals and concerts in concert halls, theaters, radio and TV a good part of my life. Because of this I believe I am qualified to say I am a musician. Music has been the major study of my life.

    I am also a listener. People can react to music emotionally and intellectually. Those trained in music think about chord progressions, harmony, counterpoint, dissonances, consonances, keys and key changes, and the form of the music they listen to. They also are stirred emotionally by some music.

    People who are not trained in music react emotionally, but they also react intellectually, often visualizing a beautiful place, a battle, a sea voyage or a race, for example. Not all people react the same way to the same piece of music.

    In his play, The Mourning Bride, William Congreve said:

    "Music hath charms to
    Soothe the savage breast
    To soften rocks,
    Or bend a knotted oak."

    I believe it is these aspects of music that Surgeon-Major Anthony Carroll tried to use to bring about peace in Burma. The Piano Tuner is a novel of many layers. I feel certain the reader will find parts of the musical flight called the fugue and psychological changes in some of the characters in this book, perhaps not as dramatic as fugue amnesia, but changes nevertheless.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 6, 2003 - 03:18 pm
    For the past two days, cable television has been running an edited version of the movie, "Apocalypse Now, Redux", which is supposedly based on Conrad's "Heart of Darkness", and I wondered if any of you readers see a similarity there to Edgar's journey.

    The story of Marlow travelling upriver in central Africa to find Kurtz, an ivory agent as consumed by the horror of human life as he is by physical illness, has long been considered a classic, and I don't think the movie and this book will end any more comparisons. The suspense is not unlike Conrad's book: we have only finished five chapters and already I can hardly wait to meet this strange Dr. Carroll just as Marlowe anticipated his encounter with Kurtz.

    Also the visual imagery in both books, concerning their journeys, is superb.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 6, 2003 - 03:39 pm

    Conrad's Heart of Darkness is available online:

    HERE

    Hats
    July 6, 2003 - 03:45 pm
    Lorrie, I missed the program on cable tv. I would have enjoyed seeing it. I intend to tape Out of Africa tonight. I can hardly wait to meet Carrol too.

    Mal, that is so interesting. "Flight" is the word that stood out in my mind. I do honor your musical talent and knowledge. I am a total dunce in the field of music.

    When I posted about music, I thought of it in only an emotional way. Then, you brought up the intellectual side of music. I never thought about it. I do listen to music with, not only my emotions, but also, with my intellect.

    I am so excited. I want to listen to more good music and make sure I am truly appreciating it. Mal, the quote by William Congreve is beautiful. I am going to write it down in my journal. That quote makes me think of Saul in the Bible. If my memory is correct, David soothed Saul's troubled mind by playing his lyre.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 7, 2003 - 11:01 am

    Pictures of Myanmar

    Shwedagon Temple

    Lorrie
    July 7, 2003 - 11:39 am
    I hope that everyone had a fine Holiday, and that you all have come back here rested and eager to go on with our story. Tomorrow we will wind up these chapters and on Wednesday we will start talking about the next five chapters. There is a lot to talk about in this next part.

    Thank you, Mal.

    Without giving anything away, I can tell you all to take note of this particular temple, the Shwedagon, in one of Mal's links. There will be more about this temple later in the book.

    This is becoming a fascinating journey, is it not? In one of his letters to Katherine, somewhere near Alexandria, Edgar's description of the moonlit night and the phosphoresence he sees on the water is the result of millions of tiny microscopic creatures that dye the water red, hence the reason for the name of the Red Sea. (page 47)

    On that same page, some of Edgar's self-doubts and his insecurities about why he has agreed to make this journey, are evident in his letter to his wife (page 47 & 48) where he says, "I find beautiful in places where others have only thought of bringing guns. I know that such sentiments often pale when faced with reality."

    Lorrie

    I have a feeling that this man's feelings about the military/humanitarian aspect of this story will be very important later on.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 7, 2003 - 12:59 pm
    Hi Lorrie,

    Like you, I am really enjoying Edgar Drake's journey to Burma. There are so many beautiful descriptions like the one you quoted above about the Red Sea. Each word seems to be packed with meaning. Something secret now that I might come to understand later. In telling Katherine about the Red Sea, Drake mentions how fascinating it is to learn that the invisible can be as important or necessary or wondrous as the visible.

    Wow!! Here Daniel Mason makes me think of what is "invisible!" Now, I know that Drake will experience some surprises on this journey. I do not want to figure any of it out until the right time. Lorrie, to me, The Piano Tuner has a mysterious quality.

    Before Drake leaves on his journey, is he happy or sad? The Colonel sees him as a man who looked "old for his forty-one years;....It all would have conveyed a feeling of sadness......were it not for his lips, unusually full for an Englishman, which rested in a position between bemusement and fain surprise and lent him a softness which unnerved the Colonel."

    The description of Drake's lips, "unusually full for an Englishman" made me think of the sexual undercurrent in the novel that George posted about earlier.

    Then, on the ship, Drake says about himself. "I have spent hours on deck. It is as though I am a young man again..."

    Lorrie, I can not remember who mentioned it. One of the posters wrote that they felt Drake might be going through a mid life crisis of some sort. I am beginning to feel that way too. I am beginning to feel that on this journey Drake will experience an awakening. Already, he is feeling like "a young man."

    I might be reading to much into all of these lines.

    Hats
    July 7, 2003 - 01:01 pm
    Mal, thank you for the link. I am paying special attention to it.

    horselover
    July 7, 2003 - 05:31 pm
    Edgar has not yet experienced a psychological fugue state. So far, his search to alter the course of his life is fully conscious, and he is able to describe its progress to his wife before he leaves and later in his letters. Hats, I am the one who used the term "mid-life crisis," and I still believe Edgar's motivations share elements of this sudden awareness of one's mortality combined with a desire to recapture one's youth, or a feeling of youthfulness.

    But at the very end of Chapter Five, we find out that Edgar will, indeed, disappear. This may be where the true fugue state comes into play. Does Edgar experience some sudden and unplanned travel away from his eventual destination in Burma, together with an inability to recall past events about his life? And will we find out where he disappears to? Or whether he eventually returns, with or without knowledge of where he has been?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 7, 2003 - 06:35 pm
    horselover you have hit on how this author keeps the suspense alive as readers care about Edgar and are riveted to what will happen to him next.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 7, 2003 - 07:42 pm

    I have yet to find anything in the early part of this book which suggests that Edgar Drake was undergoing any sort of crisis when he made the decision to go to Burma. His marriage is happy, still alive sexually. His work is satisfying and rewarding. He is known as the foremost expert in the repair and tuning of Erard pianos in London, if not England, and he does not want for business.

    I believe it's necessary to think about how Drake would receive and react to a request to repair and tune a rare Erard piano that had suffered the effects of a climate like the one in Burma, while keeping in mind that here is a person who regards pianos as almost human. Drake is a person who is as much musician as he is technician. I believe it's necessary in this case to think like the musician Drake really is.

    When a musician or dedicated piano technician even hears about an instrument which has been damaged, he or she feels real pain. If he or she has the knowledge and capability of repairing the instrument, as Drake does, he will do all he can to fix the damage and go to any lengths to do it. Add to this the fact that the request to repair Surgeon-Major Carroll's Erard grand piano has come in the name of Her Majesty the Queen, and there is even more reason for him to go and do this job. The only real crisis in Drake's life at this moment is the state of the piano and his need to repair it so it can be played.

    Because I want to settle in my own mind exactly what a psychological fugue state is, I have written to a psychologist about it. I'll let you know what he says, if there is time in his busy schedule to respond.

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 7, 2003 - 08:43 pm

    Below is a link which takes you to a picture of a Burmese harp, as mentioned on Page 90. Click the link to the right to hear how this harp sounds.

    Burmese harp

    georgehd
    July 7, 2003 - 08:47 pm
    I will say once again that I do not understand where the discussion of fugue state (psychological) is coming from. I read nothing in the book that suggests such an interpretation. If the fugue is involved, it refers to the musical fugue - that is what this book is about.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 7, 2003 - 09:05 pm

    Pictures of Burma. Click NEXT to see more

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 7, 2003 - 09:13 pm

    Myanmar tiger

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 8, 2003 - 12:10 am
    Agree georgehd - the only thing I find is a man who sees and takes joy in the beauty around him versus the issues of power that are also around him making this a romantic dream like read - for some this may be an out of world or unrealistic view but from all that has been said I do not think it puts Edgar in a fugue.

    Malryn once again would you list with a bit of explanation the characteristics and parts of a Fugue - is it music more often played by a chamber size group or a large symphony orchestra...I do not get sound very well on my computer ever since I installed realOne - somehow it knocked my sound out - so please can you use words and explain rather than linking to a sound bite on the net.

    The only composer that I associate with a fugue is Bach - is that because of the time in history that fugues were popular or are there many other composers who I am not familiar who wrote fugues.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 8, 2003 - 02:45 am
    The quote says a fugue is: "A polyphonic composition constructed on one or more short subjects or themes, which are harmonized according to the laws of counterpoint, and introduced from time to time with various contrapuntal devices."

    If one doesn't know what polyphonic or contrapuntal means, it's hard to understand this quote. Polyphonic means "many voices".

    Counterpoint, from which the word "contrapuntal" is derived, is one of more individual lines of music which are woven around a melodic single line theme in such a way that any harmony you hear comes about when these lines meet and create a chord.

    On the piano, if you put your thumb on middle C and hold it, then strike E, the third note above middle C, and G, the third note above E, and the C above middle C, or an octave above, you will be playing the C Major chord. CEGC.



    Chords are what make "harmony." Rather than composing a piece with many chords like this, as Beethoven did for example (harmonic music), Bach composed separate lines of music, wove them in and out and around each other, having them meet harmonically only once in a while (contrapuntal music). The fugue is the most advanced and sophisticated musically of all polyphonic music.



    Did you ever sing Row, Row, Row Your Boat with someone? That's a "round", which is a simple form of polyphonic, contrapuntal music.

    In relation to this book, of which I've read only a little, perhaps Mason is suggesting that he's writing contrapuntally with a major theme and many other themes weaving around that, only occasionally meeting to form a harmonic chord.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 8, 2003 - 03:04 am


    "Superb fugues occur in many works, e.g. Beethoven's Grosse fuge for string. quartet., Op.133, in Elgar's Introduction and Allegro for strings and in many choral compositions. Fugue-form is also used effectively in opera, e.g. the finale of Act 2 of Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg and the finale of Falstaff."



    For more about the fugue, click HERE

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 8, 2003 - 03:08 am
    "There are three points to be kept in mind relating Bach and fugues. First, as is well-known, and has been stated, Bach remains to date the all-time master of fugue. Anyone learning fugue studies Bach's fugues, and rarely those of anyone else. What is more, anyone writing fugues aspires to Bach's model. Even great fugues in Beethoven, say in the C minor Piano Sonata, Op. 111, seem to be homages to Bach. Bach single-handledly immortalized the fugue.

    "Secondly, Bach wrote fugues and fugal passages expressing the entire range of human emotion, and perhaps more. Up to the time of Bach, fugues were thought of as a rather austere form -- dry and academic at one extreme, and suitable for grave, grand, majestic religious feelings at the other. While Bach's fugues that express grand, majestic, religious feelings (e.g., the Gratias agimus of the B Minor Mass) are second to none, his fugues often bespeak joy, playfulness, anger, remorse, and so on -- in Bach's hand, fugue was a tool for all times and all seasons. And no matter to what application Bach puts fugue, the complexity, emotional depth, ingenious contrapuntal resource, and masterful dramatic architecture one expects are always present.

    "Thirdly, Bach used fugue 'as though it were going out of style' (well, actually, it was going out of style!), left and right, on every conceivable occasion and for every purpose, as a basic instrument of his expressive and compositional technique. Bach wrote full-scale fugues for organ, clavier, and chorus by the dozen, and even fugues for solo violin (BWV 1001.2) and 'cello (BWV 1011.1). Fugal passages and mini-fugues abound in every genre of Bach's work. Magnificent choral fugues in the Cantatas are simply too numerous to list (start with BWV 50.1!); The opening Kyrie of the B Minor Mass (BWV 232) is a five-voiced, accompanied choral fugue inferior to none. Bach wrote fugues in every key (two of each in the Well-Tempered Clavier) and having from one (yes, one, BWV 1011.1) voice to six voices (the famous Ricercar à 6 from the Musical Offering, BWV 1079, a fugue whose sublime gravity and eloquent grandeur remain unsurpassed).

    "As mentioned jocularly above, fugue and the fugal style were rapidly falling out of fashion in Bach's day, especially late in his life. As was so heavily invested in this technique and form, in spite of his unprecedented wonder-working with it, he himself began to be known as "the old wig" by some of his sons and as a retrogressive antique by a musical world awaiting the advent of Mozart. One can easily envision that Bach undertook his colossal Art of (the) Fugue (BWV 1080), an encyclopaedic compendium of what (technically) can be done with fugue, at the very end of his life in recognition of these realities of changing taste as well as his own consummate mastery of it."

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 8, 2003 - 05:22 am

    The tiger hunt is a terrible scene, one which the author spends a good deal of time. After the boy is killed, the accident is described as having happened "in the act of wild game control." Excuses are made for what appears to me to be nothing but sport. Witherspoon and others act as if the boy's life is of no importance at all. I think Edgar Drake tries to be an objective observer of what he sees in Burma, but he has trouble recovering from witnessing this incident. The coin he gave the boy is a reminder. Reminder of what? The imperialistic, superior attitude of the British? The needless loss of a life? A different view of his countrymen from what he had before?



    I skimmed through Conrad's "Heart of Darkness" the other night. There are similarities between the journeys, but it must remembered that Marlow was looking for a man. Edgar Drake is looking for a piano he's been asked to repair. The man who owns that piano is important only because he can tell Drake where the piano is.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 8, 2003 - 09:44 am
    Mal:

    Oops! The tiger hunt is in Chapter Six, I believe, which part we will be discussing starting tomorrow. It's a moot point, but perhaps some of the posters had a particular point they wanted to mention first about that upcoming episode.

    Well! I must say, Mr. Mason certainly knows how to turn this section into a cliff-anger, doesn't he?? We leave this ending of Chapter Five with a real bang! Will Edgar go missing? Will they think he is a spy? Who knows?

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 8, 2003 - 10:20 am

    Oops is right. I'm sorry, Lorrie.

    Mal

    horselover
    July 8, 2003 - 10:54 am
    George, If you look back to the very beginning of Book One, the definition of fugue chosen by the author includes the Psychiatric definition--"A flight from one's own identity..." The author must have had a reason for this, since good writers rarely waste words. We shall see.

    MAL, A man's mid-life crisis does not have to be triggered by a outward crisis in his own life. Sex with his wife may be tender and satisfactory, but routine and without its initial passion. His business may also be profitable, but routine. It is the realization that at least half of his life is over, and there is little passion and excitement in the future, which brings on the mid-life crisis. It is a last attempt to recapture some of the passion of youth before it is too late.

    I agree that Edgar is going to Burma to "help" an injured piano. But Anthony Carroll is more to him than just someone who has the piano. Carroll is a man who has led an adventurous life, who has risked death many times in the cause of peace, who has known many different women. Edgar has known only Kathleen and has never before left England. He wants to see what this man, who has lived a life so different from his own, is like. Perhaps he wants to see what he himself would have been like had he lived a more adventurous life.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 8, 2003 - 11:27 am

    Horselover, Mason may not waste words, but he certainly omitted many in the dictionary definition of a psychiatric fugue he presents at the beginning of Book One, while at the same time giving the complete dictionary definition of a musical fugue. I wonder why?

    I'm well aware of what a so-called "midlife crisis" is, and I don't see typical signs of it in Edgar Drake. Nor do I find anything in the first five chapters to convince me that Drake is going on this trip so he can meet a man who is more adventurous than he is. On Page 47 Edgar Drake says in a letter to his wife, Katherine:
    "I never enlisted in the army when I was young, and have little interest in our foreign affairs. I know it made you angry when I suggested it was my duty to the piano and not the Crown, but I still feel very strongly that Dr. Carroll is doing the proper thing, and that if I can help in the cause of Music, perhaps that is my duty. Part of my decision certainly rests in my confidence in Dr. Carroll, and a sense of shared mission with him and his desire to bring the music I find beautiful to places where others have only thought of bringing guns."
    Before Drake writes his "history of the Erard piano" in response to a history of Burma and Carroll's feats, on Page 77 the author states:
    "It is unfortunate that the Doctor has not written about the piano itself; he thought, for it is the hero of this entire endeavor, its absence an obvious omission in the narrative thus far."
    Drake's focus is on the piano and music from the beginning of the book to the end, regardless what Dr. Carroll has done or does.

    However, if a reader is determined to find a psychiatric fugue state in this book, he or she will read one into the story. I guarantee that it won't be a true or real one, though, according to psychiatric definitions of that condition.

    Mal

    horselover
    July 8, 2003 - 11:39 am
    MAL, I think the author probably had reasons for what he omitted as well as for what he included. The three dots indicate he was aware there was more.

    Often, a man seeking to recapture or relive his youth does not state the real reasons for some of his actions. But your points are well taken. I will wait to get more information as the story proceeds.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 8, 2003 - 12:11 pm
    We all read into a story from our own experience, knowledge and passions and so I never can imagine a right or wrong way to interpret a story - now the words of an author are meaningful to our interpretation but we, the readers, bring ourselves to the experience and that is what makes reading a creative act - I do not think we are looking for a consensus but we are so interested in what each of us can bring to the read that deepens the experience for all of us - one sees the exactness and love of music and another sees views of different choices in life styles - another the adventure - yet another sees intrigue - I am bowled over with the beauty that each page describes - even down to those gloomy London streets.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 8, 2003 - 12:27 pm

    Because I do a lot of writing, I am more interested in what an author is saying than I am what I read into it. Of course, writers sometimes deliberately use a technique which makes the reader "write" part of a book with his or her own unique interpretation. I don't see this book as having been written that way. I see it as a straight-forward story based on a rather unique premise. I mean, who has written a book before about using music to solve a country's problems and bring peace? It's a wonderfully ideal concept.

    Having said that, what does the foreword mean to you? It certainly is a beautiful description of Burma and adds to a certain humid, misty aspect of the entire scene. The woman and her parasol have jumped right onto the jacket of the book. I didn't imagine her dressed in red.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 9, 2003 - 12:15 am
    Oh, me Oh My, there is a lot of “good “ stuff in this next part.

    In Chapter Six, the contrast between Edgar’s peers’ style of living and that of the Burmese people is dramatically shown when he is confronted by a woman “painted a deep yellow” which he later learns is turmeric, and holding a baby with flies on its mouth, obviously ill.

    He is horrified, and refuses an invitation to join the officers that evening, because “of the image that still stayed with him, that it felt wrong to drink sherry and gossip war while he thought of the girl and her child.

    And that tiger hunt, as Mal mentioned! The conversation about the egrets was so typical of the attitude of colonial imperialism and the general populace, even today.

    I wanted to ask everyone what they thought was the significance of the one boy to whom Edgar gives a coin being accidentally shot by captain Witherspoon? On page 104 Edgar refers to the coin as “a symbol of responsibility, of misplaced munificence.”

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 05:29 am
    Hi Lorrie,

    I am glad you warned us to pay close attention to the Shwedagon Pagoda, and I am happy Mal posted a link. What a beautiful temple! Drake thinks it is ashame that this beautiful place of worship is not filled with music.

    Now, I can see two different cultures. When I think of a place of worship, I think of beautiful organ and / or piano music. I love Gospel music.

    I did notice Drake's response to the sick child. I think his response is typical of Western Civilization. We become unnerved seeing needy or sick people who are not being helped.

    When we see a blind man or somone with another handicap, our first response is to help. Our way of helping is to give a gift of charity. Usually, for me the gift is small, but it would seem wrong to walk around someone in need and not give.

    In some way, the gift soothes my conscious. I have done a good deed. No one can blame me for the ills in the world. So, gift giving can sway from a feeling of compassion to a feeling of saving myself from feeing uncomfortable. What is my or any Americans motivation for giving? I think we have more than one motivation.

    In Third World countries, I think, the people see more hunger, homelessness and sickness on the streets. They want to help their own people, but the financial means is not there. Neither are there any programs in place. Usually, the governments are in so much turmoil. This might be why no one is given the job to help the people.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 9, 2003 - 09:00 am

    Edgar Drake surely has seen poverty on the streets of London. In fact, he's probably become so accustomed to it there that he doesn't even see it most of the time. That's what happens in "civilized" countries. The poor become invisible because they are so outnumbered by those who are not poor.

    The "gilded woman" reflected the gold and the strangeness of the Shwedagon; she was almost supernatural in appearance. When Drake saw the condition of the baby and realized she was begging, it shook him out of a kind of magical daydream into reality.

    He has never been in a foreign country before, and this one is nothing like England. The sight of the woman and her child shocks him into the feeling that the lavishness of sherry drinking over war gossip becomes almost obscene. Edgar Drake's English eyes had been opened by what he saw.

    He gives a coin to a child he thinks really needs a bath. Later the child is shot and killed by Captain Witherspoon during the sport of the tiger hunt Drake is part of, which in itself is a symbol of the rich and well-to-do. It is a manifestation once again of the wealth as represented by the English occupation force and the poverty of people in Burma.

    The term "misplaced munificence" has more meaning for me on Page 104 than the word "responsibiity." When I have been able to give change or a dollar to panhandlers on the streets of New York City, it is often because I am shocked and even hurt by the fact that these poverty-stricken people have no homes and live on the street.

    I feel hopeless and helpless, especially when I see them surrounded by well-dressed people and buildings that today cost billions of dollars, with cars on that street that cost as much as a house did not so long ago, so I give what I can.

    This kind of giving does not salve my conscience; it aggravates it with the knowledge that my change or dollar bill will do nothing for the person to whom I've given it.

    My feeling of hopelessness and helplessness is wrong, too, because there are ways to help these people, like voting in bills which have provision for help for the poor. Those bills don't pass in this rich country which looks down on the poor and says, "Pick yourself up by your bootstraps, get a job and a place to live like other people do."

    It's only possible to think that way if you've never experienced real need. Everyone should be in the position I was at one time when I was supporting my brain-injured son on not enough income. Pride has to take a back seat when you walk in and request help in the form of food stamps and other welfare aid, and then go stand in line with other people who don't have enough to live on and wait with them to get food stamps so you and your family can have something to eat.

    Not all people are as kind as Drake was to these poor people. Other people kick poor handicapped and disabled and homeless people out of the way so they can get to where they're going. All too often that kick is refusal to give these people jobs. I've been on the receiving end of that kind of kick because I'm handicapped, and believe me, it doesn't feel good.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 09:20 am
    I think most Americans have that feeling of compassion for the sick and the needy. The Statue of Liberty is a symbol of our philosophy. I think this philosophy is what pushes us to go into other countries, like Burma, Iraq or Africa to help. At times, our hearts override our thoughts. We become bogged down in warfare, and our sons are sacrificed. I am afraid this might be off topic.

    On a smaller scale, in our own country or homes, we should never grow tired of helping the handicapped or the unemployed, the sick, etc. I like America's philosophy.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 9, 2003 - 09:32 am

    Hats, all too often in countries like England, Myanmar, the United States and others, help for the poor and disadvantaged can only come if we are willing to vote for bills that say part of our tax money will go toward helping this part of the population.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 09:44 am
    Mal, that is so true.

    Lorrie
    July 9, 2003 - 11:38 am
    Barbara, in your post #172, you wrote:"one sees the exactness and love of music and another sees views of different choices in life styles - another the adventure - yet another sees intrigue - I am bowled over with the beauty that each page describes - even down to those gloomy London streets".................. I think you have phrased it very well, and I agree wholeheartedly. That same beauty in Edgar's descriptions is intensified as he travels through these foreign lands.

    Lorrie

    Lorrie
    July 9, 2003 - 12:07 pm
    Hats, in one of your earlier posts you said," Now, I can see two different cultures. When I think of a place of worship, I think of beautiful organ and / or piano music. I love Gospel music"

    I also have always associated Church with music, usually organ music. Like you, I love gospel music, and can relate to the way the music can influence the devotion. At that lovely temple, did you notice when Edgar remembers that one of the biggest uprisings they had had in the past started because some Westerner refused to remove his shoes before entering?

    Lorrie

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 9, 2003 - 12:16 pm
    Hehehe I know when to make an appearance don't I - right after a compliment - Thanks my dear - OK I am in a rush - leaving in the morning for my daughter's in Saluda N.C. and while there helping her choose this and that for this house they are building. We are going to drive to D.C. to the Akia (sp) store where she is planning to purchase her kitchen cabinets - they are a national chain out of Denmark or Sweden or maybe Germany - but what ever - nice clean lines with a lot of white on bleached wood look.

    Since neither of us have been to D.C. we are going to take the boys and stay over so that we can see the Smithsonian and - I said - I just must visit the Art Museum just to see the magnificent Caulder hanging in the main entry.

    All to say until my return on the 23rd I will probably be an infrequent poster - I have so much to take this time that I am not taking my book with me.

    I read it some time ago and if I can get a sentence about the chapter from one of you than I can piece together my reactions - but let's not worry about that now.

    Oh before I leave I must tell you - we are so excited - they are pulling an old elementary school down in some small community in S.C. (Saluda is just over the border) and since Katha's house is being built around an official size half basketball court they are getting the gym flooring from this school - in fact enough flooring to do their whole house!!!

    This is an exciting house - two story - shaped like a U around the two story court in the middle - master and guest on main level with Kitch. - big pantry - laundry/Kasha's office - large vaulted living and formal dining with decks on the back and a screen porch in front - then downstairs the boys bedrooms a space for computers games projects, Gary's office and a small TV watching area with the other section of the basement not finished but with garage doors to get canoes etc. in and out.

    I know it sounds grand but it is only 2100 sq. ft on one level and a third of the bottom level is unfinished - the whole thing is being built with unusual material and material from old buildings that were pulled down which is keeping the cost way down. It is a lot of work and a lot of decisions but it is exciting as well, And I am ever so bowled over that my daughter actually wants my input - how is that for a relationship that you never know how your relationship with your adult children is going to work out - I am blessed.

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 12:26 pm
    Lorrie, I do remember that incident. The man did not remove his shoes, and this started the Anglo-Burmese wars. So interesting. I think we should respect the cultural differences of others. At least, while we are on their land.

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 12:28 pm
    Barbara, have a wonderful time!!!

    Lorrie
    July 9, 2003 - 12:31 pm
    Isn't it odd how, while reading certain books, we tend to form certain likes and dislikes, sometimes intensely, of some of the characters we meet.

    I do like Edgar, and i respect his unabashed love of music. I also like his wife Kathleen, who seems to understand him so well. I do not like Captain Witherspoon, who comes on the scene in chapter 7, on that wretched tiger hunt. His contemptible actions seem to disgust even Captain Dalton, as witness their argument over the monkey (p.96) This whole thing seems to be a forerunner of the ghastly events that follow.

    On page 101, there is a passage that, when i read it, formed chills down my back. Mason writes, (about Edgar's horror after the shooting) "The rest remains frozen, a sun-washed memory, a slanting. There are cries and screams, but it is the slanting that will haunt Edgar Drake most, the impossible angle of grief, mother to child, the arms outstretched, reaching, pulling at those who try to restrain. A slanting he has never seen, but still recognizes, from pietas, Greek urns with tiny figures wailing oi moi."

    This young man can really write!

    Lorrie

    Lorrie
    July 9, 2003 - 12:39 pm
    Barbara, did you ever consider that your daughter is also lucky to have a mother with your experience in the housing market, and what you know about houses? But it is nice to see adult children asking for advice, rather than giving it. Here in our building, the children seem to give all the orders. Hahahaha

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 12:43 pm
    Lorrie,

    Daniel Mason writes beautifully. I wish we were face to face discussing this book. We could serve some wonderful Burmese dish and read special passages from the book, like the one you just quoted. We would have a gay old time. It is just a special book.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 9, 2003 - 04:34 pm

    Life is a study in contrasts like the ones Edgar Drake sees in Burma. Barbara posts about a wonderful house that's being built in the kind of design I dreamed up and drew as the house I wanted 61 years ago when I was 14. She and her daughter are going to Washington to look at cupboards at IKEA. They're wonderful. On the other side of the coin, I posted about food stamps and sit here today wondering how I'll ever manage to dig up the money to pay the rent for this big room I live in. I've outlived my income. Good thing my daughter is my landlady.  ; )

    BARBARA, when I lived 9 miles from Washington in the early 50's while my former husband was in graduate school I used to pile my little boy in a stroller I could fold up, and load it, my son and myself on the bus headed for DC. At that time I was told that if people spent one minute looking at each thing exhibited at the Smithsonian, it would take 72 years to go through it. There's even more now, so I hope you're allowing some time. You might consider looking at the antique pianos there. They're thrilling, superb, and I feel certain there's an Erard. I do hope you see the Calder, too.

    I'm beginning to think of this novel as a fugue. The principal theme, around which all the other themes revolve, is the Erard piano and music. This musical theme recurs and recurs and recurs up until the very end of the book. There are all the other things Barbara mentioned which are part of this literary fugue. They evolve from, and revolve around, the main melody or theme in this book. Check it out!

    Mal

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 05:07 pm
    Edgar is so excited about being in this new country. He notices every sound and sees every person. All of his senses are alive. He notices the sandalwood painted on the faces of the women, he is aware of the monks who pass by. "A large group of young monks walked past in saffron robes...Edgar...entranced by the beauty of the shifting cloth."

    He hears the music played by the musicians. "He smiled and studied the instruments: a drum and a xylophone-like board, a long goosenecked horn and a harp....This was a beautiful harp, carved in a form that looked like both a ship and a swan;......

    I think Barbara posted about the "beauty" in The Piano Tuner. Edgar appreciates beauty. Edgar realizes that he has been given a special gift, the gift to travel to a totally new country and a beautiful one.

    It is ironic, to me, that so many beautiful countries can be torn apart by war. I wonder whether Edgar will continue to see the beauty of this place once he travels farther into the interior of the country where there is fighting and bloodshed.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 9, 2003 - 05:47 pm

    Below is a link I posted before of the harp Hats has mentioned which is in the shape of a ship and a swan. Click the horn at the upper right to hear what it sounds like.
    Burmese harp (Saung)

    horselover
    July 9, 2003 - 06:19 pm
    Hats, You said that "Edgar appreciates beauty." True, he appreciates the beauty of the country, of the temples, and of the music. He also appreciates the beauty of the women. He admires a lovely 14 year old dancer who's body has been trained to enhance her flexibility, He comments on makeup the women wear, and says that he "would admit in his next letter to Katherine that it wasn't unattractive." One of my favorite characters is Khin Myo, the woman who takes care of him in his lodgings at Mandalay. She is a very intriguing woman--educated, speaking several languages, a dancer herself when she was young. Edgar "liked her immediately. She held herself gracefully and smiled...Her eyes were dark brown, set beneath thick lashes, and she wore even lines of thanaka, on both cheeks. She had placed a hibiscus flower in her hair, and when he walked in front of her, he could smell a sweet perfume..." There are elements of romance in this description. Although Edgar will not, I suspect, dishonor his relationship with Katherine, I can feel him responding to this attractive woman.

    I wonder why there is such hostility toward the piano and toward Anthony Carroll among the officers at the reception. Captain Nash-Burnham warns Edgar not to talk about Anthony Carroll, but despite his best efforts to comply, Edgar manages to create an awkward incident.

    I'm still in the middle of Chapter Eleven where there has been an ominous attack on Mae Lwin, and Edgar's departure has been postponed. There is also a hint of further damage to the piano. I will have to hurry and finish this part.

    I have fallen a little behind since I decided, late in life, to become a Bridge player. I never realized that a card game could be so complicated. Today was my first day of actually playing, and it was very absorbing. Okay, back to my main job--reading!

    georgehd
    July 9, 2003 - 06:48 pm
    It is far from Burma, Horselover, but Bridge Baron is a pretty good Bridge program that you can play at home or on line.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 9, 2003 - 07:19 pm

    George, Bridge Baron costs $59.95 online! I guess I have to stick to Bicycle Bridge. I learned to play auction bridge when I was 13 years old; later went on to contract, have played duplicate. I was always too busy playing something that had black and white keys to spend much time playing bridge until a few years ago when I began playing Bicycle Bridge on my computer. I wonder where that disc went?

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 9, 2003 - 09:02 pm

    Click the horn on the page you access with this link to listen to the Tabla (Page 125)

    Hats
    July 9, 2003 - 11:26 pm
    Hi Horselover,

    I bet is so much fun playing bridge. I have heard that it is a difficult game but worth learning. I have not read as far as you have read in the book. I am only up to Chapter seven. I hope to read further today or this afternoon.

    I loved the description of the harp. Reading about Drake's reaction to the music was interesting. "Edgar found it difficult to pick out a pattern. He noted the haphazard way it danced along the scale. He listened more closely, yet still the melody eluded him." Since Edgar loves music, I think this unknown musical sound will only add another delight to his journey.

    I like Edgar because it is so easy for him to adapt and accept these new customs. When he comes out of the Pagoda, he is whistling the tune, trying to learn the rhythm. He quickly pulls off his shoes knowing to keep them on will disrespect the people and their religion. Edgar notices the others are wearing sandals. I think he will soon throw away his tie up shoes and get some sandals (smile).

    Mal, thanks for the link.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 10, 2003 - 04:23 am
    On Page 127 when Drake is at the British party, Captain Nash-Burnham says, "I don't come to these functions regularly , but it is a special day. I expect you'll feel right at home." Edgar thinks, As much as I feel at home, at home.

    Here is a man who is not welcomed into upper class society in England though he goes into their homes and keeps their pianos beautifully cared for; a man who is uncomfortable with ordinary work people, someone who feels as if he doesn't belong anywhere. The magic of Burma is working on him. Will he want to stay?

    The day after an evening's entertainment watching Burmese outside theater (pwe), Drake is told by a subaltern that Nash-Burnham and "the Administrator" have left, and he is urged to go back to England. Mae Lwin has been attacked, and there is every good reason why Drake should leave Burma.

    Carroll takes matters in his own hands, overriding the military here, and writes to Drake that he has sent a messenger to take him and Ma Khin Myo to Mae Lwin. Drake feels an urgency because Carroll has told him that the Erard has been further damaged because a bullet broke the strings of the A key, and the piano is not playable in that condition. Add that to the enticement Carroll has provided in the form of Ma Khin Myo, and Drake cannot refuse to go to Mae Lae. Drake doesn't consider the fact that if he does this he'll be going against the will of the British military. Nor does Drake consider the fact that since he is voluntarily leaving the auspices and relative safety the military provide and going against what they want him to do, they will certainly report that he has disappeared.

    It seems as if the Surgeon-Major is going to any length to get Drake to Mae Lwin at this point, and I have begun to wonder if the condition of the piano is the only reason he wants Drake nearby.

    I also wonder what the relationship between Carroll and Ma Khin Myo is. Surely Carroll is the one who taught her something about the English language and English ways.

    Mason has added suspense to the story here. He also appears to be suggesting that conditions with Carroll might not be as ideal and favorable for Drake as he previously thought they would be. Is Carroll using Drake's vulnerability to the charms of Burma to his own advantage? If he is, why?

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 10, 2003 - 07:25 am
    Horselover:

    You mention that the British seem to have an antipathy toward Edgar's real mission---to repair the piano. Yes, and there is another thing that I find curious.

    The novel starts just after the fall of Mandalay and the deposing of Burma's last king, King Thibaw. This is actual history and an event of some importance for the Burmese. Yet this is hardly mentioned by the British in the book, who apparently see little difference between the last representative of a centuries old dynasty and the Shan warlords, dacoits, and other inconveniences standing in the way of complete pacification of South Asia. Their far greater concern seems to be with the French, and I'm afraid the idea of an Erard piano means nothing to them.

    Lorrie

    annafair
    July 10, 2003 - 10:54 am
    Reading the posts is as interesting as the book. Overall I feel there is a sense of darkness regarding Drake. Mason has written a very beautiful worded book which gives me pleasure and because of subtle hints I feel Drake is threatened in ways he never expected.

    One thing I have to say Drake (the author's character seems so real) TAKES ME ON THIS JOURNEY.....I am the unseen observer who is affected by all the events but cant enter them and change them. It is an unusual talent and one I dont find too often...anna

    horselover
    July 10, 2003 - 10:56 am
    George, Thanks for the suggestion about the Bridge program. I will look into it. Right now, I am plowing through three books and trying to figure out what the sample bids and plays mean. Hats, It is a very complicated game, more so than I had thought.

    Lorrie, You are right. The British seem very unconcerned with the welfare of the Burmese people and the effect of this current chaos on their lives. They are more concerned about the British Empire and British political and financial interests in this part of the world. This is not much different from today; we interfere in certain countries based on U.S. strategic interests. Sometimes this does not work out so well for the people who live there.

    MAL, I, too, wonder about the relationship between Carroll and Ma Khin Myo. Perhaps Edgar's trip is a pretext for her to travel to where Carroll is. Why was there an attack? What happened to Carroll's peacekeeping abilities?

    Hats
    July 10, 2003 - 11:25 am
    Horselover,

    Witherspoon seemed, to me, the perfect example of bad behavior in another country. He calls the Burmese customs "superstitions." In other words, their way of life is far from intelligent. Therefore, their way of life should be ignored or changed very quickly.

    Witherspoon made me think of the missionary in Michener's Hawaii. He had the Witherspoon mentality. In other words, just going in and pushing his values on others, never thinking about the welfare of the native people.

    Witherspoon does not listen to orders. When Dalton tells him that shooting the monkey will scare the tiger away, Witherspoon shoots the monkey anyway. He wants the monkey for a trophy and nothing else matters.

    Edgar Drake and Witherspoon are totally different in character.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 10, 2003 - 02:01 pm

    HORSELOVER, there is only one real way to learn to play bridge. Play it! It's not as difficult as you might think. Learn how to count the points in your hand. Learn how many points it takes to raise a bid your partner makes, and keep in mind that in order to raise your opening bid, he or she must have that many points in his or her hand, too. Learn how many tricks over book it takes to make a game. Learn how many points it takes to make game in a weak suit and a strong suit. Don't ever trump your partner's ace. Finessing and conventions will come later. Remember this: Nobody ever learned how to write a book and wrote one by reading a book about how to write without sitting down with a pen and writing something on a piece of paper. Get three other people together and play the game!



    As I understand it, the British are in Burma as occupational forces. They are there to keep the "natives" under control and to defend the country against attack. They are not there to spend the rest of their lives living in Burma. Their reasoning is that since is the case, why learn the traditions and culture of that country?

    Since the dacoits (bandits) are very active in Burma at the time of this story, Mae Lwin is as subject to attack as any other place. It was very convenient for the author to have an attack on Mae Lwin as a means to have the British tell Drake to go home to England. In order for Mason's plot to continue the way he wants it to, naive Drake must defy the authority of the British; accept Carroll's offer, and accompany the "messenger" the Surgeon-Major sent. Drake obviously doesn't realize that by doing this he puts himself in danger from the British military, and must accept whatever consequences of this act there are when he arrives in Mae Lwin.

    To me it seems like a foolhardy thing for Drake to do. He's never even met Anthony Carroll and knows him only from letters and stories he's heard, which Drake knows are partially hearsay and myth. Drake is so obsessed with the idea of repairing and tuning the piano, so he can help Carroll achieve peace without weapons, that he doesn't at all consider what's in store for him. Nor does he question Carroll's motives, which to an old suspicious New Englander-at-heart like me, don't seem as altruistic as they're made out to be.

    Mal

    horselover
    July 10, 2003 - 02:59 pm
    MAL, Your advice about Bridge is excellent and to the point as usual. Yesterday was my first Bridge Club session. I observed for 1/2 hour, and played (badly) for 2 1/2 hours. I did win a couple of hands, with a little help from the wings. But I still have a lot to learn.

    We are supposedly a temporary occupational force in Iraq, but our forces are told not to violate any local customs or cultural practices. Of course, I'm not sure this helps people understand why their country is being occupied.

    I am extremely curious to meet the mysterious Anthony Carroll myself. I would like to know what his real motives are for demanding the piano and for bringing Edgar to this remote part of the world. I believe Edgar is blinded by his own motives and by hero worship of this legendary character.

    Lorrie
    July 10, 2003 - 03:13 pm
    AnnaFair:

    I get the impression that you are a tiny bit psychic, perhaps? Yes, sometimes in these early chapters one gets the feeling that our Edgar is rushing to his own personal doom. I sense it, too, but I will be darned if I peek ahead and ruin the ending. I am like Hats, only about at Chapter 8 or so, and I don't really want to know the bad news that may be coming.

    It is enough to visualize all these wonderful sights through Edgar's eyes, and look forward to the long-awaited meeting with the legendary Dr. Carroll. Incidentally, it is interesting to see how much the enlisted men admire Dr. Carroll, compared to the grudging respect from the officers, isn't it?

    Hats:

    Yes, Edgar could not bring himself to address Captain Witherspoon again, he even found it distasteful to join Captain Dalton, who was less obnoxious, that evening, Still, Edgar himself feels some guilt, as is said on page 104: "Yet the thought of reliving the incident terrified him, and he felt that all he shared with the captain (Dalton) now was that moment of horror, and to see him would be to relive it."

    Horselover:

    When we think of Americans abroad, do you ever remember the expression, "The Ugly American?"

    Lorrie

    annafair
    July 10, 2003 - 03:26 pm
    I think I am more than a tiny bit but wont go into all the things I have felt or dreamed about that came true...and none came about from any foreknowledge ..and I have really tried to see if that could be true. I dont know, the little hints that Mason gives...sound ominious to me....but as I said I love his use of language. I feel like I am sitting in a room hearing this story and am mesmerized by the telling. anna

    Lorrie
    July 10, 2003 - 10:43 pm
    Khin Myo is a very striking character, isn't she? From Mason's description she is quite attractive, but after the way he describes the painted "thanaka" on both cheeks, it's hard for me to picture her face It appears here that this lady will have a much stronger role in this story.

    That whole scene at the luncheon was vivid, and only reaffirmed Edgar's feeling that he was out of his social circle. We can see why some of the Englishmen hated the idea of the piano, because as one of them said, "I lost five men to dacoits because of that piano." Interesting.

    Lorrie

    georgehd
    July 11, 2003 - 08:05 am
    Some may find this site interesting and related to our book. It is the site of Aung San Kyi, Nobel Laureat for Peace, and a leader for peace and liberty in modern Burma. Her philosophy would be totally at odds with British imperialism.

    http://www.dassk.com/

    horselover
    July 11, 2003 - 10:40 am
    Lorrie, If you have trouble picturing Khin Myo in her makeup, just look at some pictures of Japanese Geisha. The idea of the makeup is similar, and Geisha are also trained when very young as dancers and musicians. They are also trained to provide enjoyable companionship to a man.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 11, 2003 - 01:19 pm

    What about American women who wear foundation makeup, blusher, powder, mascara, eye liner, eye shadow and lipstick? Below are links to pictures showing Myanamar people wearing thanaka. What is called "sun blocker" is actually thanaka. One of these links I have posted before.

    Burmese woman with thanaka on her face

    Burmese women and children wearing thanaka

    Hats
    July 11, 2003 - 01:47 pm
    At the Pwe, Drake learns about how the dancers are trained. "When a girl's parents decide she will be a meimma yein, a female dance performer, they place her arm in a special brace to stretch and hyperextend the elbow."

    Horselover, I think of the Japanese Geisha too. I remember learning that the feet of young women were forced and bound. This was done so that the young woman's foot would appear smaller and more dainty.

    Mal, I see what you are saying. Americans have their own ways of maintaining beauty,etc. I think of girdles. I remember wearing a girdle and almost feeling like I would die. It's hard to breathe in those things.

    Remember Mammy putting the dress on Scarlett O'Hara in Gone With the Wind and nearly squeezing the breath out of her. Scarlett wanted the tiniest waist ever.

    It is interesting how so called civilized customs look when compared to the "so called" uncivilized customs in other countries. The differences between the two are not that great.

    Hats
    July 11, 2003 - 02:14 pm
    Awhile back, we posted about the two definitions of Fugues given in the beginning of the book. At the Pwe, after the last puppet show, Drake and the Captain discuss the idea of giving up everything to follow another trail in life.

    "In Gautama's final incarnation before Siddhartha," said Captain Nash-Burnham, "he gives up everything he possesses, even his wife and his children, and leaves for the forest."

    Edgar asks Captain Nash-Burnham if he would ever give up everything to follow another track in life.

    The Captain shook his head. "No, I have not abandoned everything," he said, and paused. "But there are those who have."

    Drake names Carroll as such a man.

    Fugue 2. Psychiatry. A flight from one's own identity...

    I think Carroll might be a person who fits the psychiatric definition for Fugue. It is questionable whether Drake will ever fit this state.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 11, 2003 - 02:53 pm

    Surgeon-Major Anthony Carroll has exchanged one lifestyle for another which is quite different, but is that a psychiatric fugue state? According to the Gale Encyclopedia of Psychology "dissociative fugue is relatively rare, with a prevalence rate of 0.2% in the general population."

    Below is a link to a page about psychiatric fugues which appears in the above-mentioned encyclopedia. If you read it carefully you will see why I think we haven't met anyone in this book who fits this description. The psychologist I contacted told me this encyclopedia's definition of psychiatric fugues is accurate.



    Definition of a psychiatric fugue (dissociative disorder):- Gale Encyclopedia of Psychology

    Hats
    July 11, 2003 - 03:05 pm
    Malryn, should we ignore the definition that is in the front of Daniel Mason's book? If we use the musical term for Fugue, do we not have to use the second definition of Fugue?

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 11, 2003 - 03:34 pm

    Hats, it seems to me that it's a good idea to wait until we read further and actually meet Anthony Carroll before we come to any conclusions about him.

    Right now there's little in the book about Carroll except what's written in letters and what's told in stories about him. We readers don't have anything more to go on than Edgar Drake has, when it comes to Carroll, and Drake doesn't have very much to base his speculations on.

    All I'm doing here is stating an opinion based on real information about psychiatric fugues. Having read further in the book I know Mason had a really good reason for the mention of musical fugues. There's just no way for me to know why he included a dictionary definition of psychiatric fugues that isn't complete.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 11, 2003 - 03:58 pm
    People, forgive me if I appear i here somewhat intermittently, but we have been having violent thunderstorms here one right after the other, enough to make me shut down entirely.

    Anyway, that link you posted, George, gave me some more information about Burma's (Myanmar?)ongoing political problems. The background of that young woman Aung San Suu Kyi is fascinating, apparently she is a real heroine to the Burmese people. I've been following that story in the news.

    Hats:

    That whole bit about Burmese pwe's is fascinating, isn't it? Mason has evidently done a ton of research here, and his explanation on page 133 by Nash-Burnham is very revealing. It seems to be a Burmese form of street theater, even Mandalayan, and it must be absorbing to watch.

    Horselover: I like the comparison between the thanaka-lined Khin Myo and a Japanese geisha.

    Lorrie

    horselover
    July 11, 2003 - 05:23 pm
    MAL, It's true, American women do wear foundation, blusher, powder, mascara, eye liner, eye shadow and lipstick. But American women generally try to look "natural" or as if they are not wearing any of this stuff. Women of any country can look beautiful depending upon how they use what is available to them. Customs are neither civilized nor uncivilized, unless they hurt others.

    Hats, You are right. The Geisha had their feet bound when they were very young so they would look feminine, and also so they would be forced to walk in a certain way. This was a very painful process and is no longer practiced. A wonderful book about the life of a Geisha is "Memoirs of a Geisha" by Arthur Golden--a very popular best seller a few years ago.

    Carroll is not in a fugue state, as far as we know. According to the story, he has been totally conscious throughout all his travels. Unless we find out that, at one time, he was someone else and assumed the identity of Anthony Carroll without remembering who he really was, he is not in a true fugue state.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 11, 2003 - 07:07 pm

    Ha ha, HORSELOVER, I wonder what a Shan family from Myomar would say when they walked down the street in New York City and saw women with pink, pale blue, green, purple, and bright neon orange hair that was sticking straight up, whose nails were painted black, green, purple, bright neon orange and pale blue? Did you say "natural"? I guess they'd think the tattoos are natural, but not on women, I guess.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 12, 2003 - 02:58 pm
    I have finally reached the end of Part I, and Mason has again left us with a dramatic ending.

    "I AM EDWARD DRAKE. I'M HERE TO REPAIR A PIANO"

    (Shades of "Dr. Livingston, I presume?")!

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 12, 2003 - 03:24 pm

    Yes, Drake states his reason for going to Burma loud and clear, doesn't he?

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 12, 2003 - 08:48 pm
    I am still perplexed about the role that Khin Myo plays in all this. What kind of woman is she? Is her attraction to Edgar real or feigned? What is her relationship to Anthony Carroll? I feel that there is still a great deal that we will find out about this enigmatic woman.

    I do believe that we are finally about to meet the legendary Dr. Carroll. At last.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 13, 2003 - 03:50 am

    It has taken over half of this book for Edgar Drake finally to get to Mae Lwin and for the character of Anthony Carroll at last to be introduced. Of course, the journey from London to Mae Lwin is a very long one in several different ways.

    Yes, the Surgeon-Major has come on the scene, and readers are left hanging while they wait to go on to Book Two.

    Not only Carroll, but real danger have entered the story. Drake has a taste of what it's like to be in dacoit territory, an unpleasant one, too. Khin Myo remains a woman of mystery. I wonder how much we'll find out about her, or if we'll continue to ask questions after this book ends?

    Mal

    annafair
    July 13, 2003 - 01:05 pm
    You cant ask for more...I have nothing to add to the discussion at this point and I am enjoying the links that are here...so will just keep looking and reading,..like Lorrie my computer has been off as much as on, with real thunderstorms and lots of warnings. Even a far sound of thunder makes me turn off the computer... take care ...anna

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 13, 2003 - 02:57 pm

    Surely not all of us are having thunderstorms at the same time, are we? There's much to talk about in this section of The Piano Tuner.

    For example, I was interested to read Khin Myo's description of "hill islands". She says that is what Anthony Carroll calls them. Each hill has its own tribe, and they don't always get along with each other.

    Khin Myo tells Drake that Carroll thinks they are like Darwin's islands, except that in that part of Burma it is the culture which changes, not the beaks of birds.

    That's something to think about. So is the fact that Nok Lek, the "messenger" chosen by Carroll to lead Drake and Khin Myo to Mae Lwin, is a fierce and experienced fighter.

    It also interests me that this journey has thrown Drake and Khin Myo into a rather intimate companionship. Do you suppose that was exactly what Anthony Carroll planned?

    There's plenty to discuss here, don't you think so?

    Mal

    horselover
    July 13, 2003 - 05:45 pm
    I think it's not so much that Khin Myo is attracted to Edgar, as that he is attracted to her. He pretends to be sleeping when she lies down on her mat next to his so he can watch her while she sleeps. "Through the thin cotton of the two mosquito nets, he could feel her breath. soft and warm..." This sounds like pretty romantic thoughts to me.

    Later on, Edgar risks his life in an impulsive act of bravery when they are attacked by bandits. He wakes to find his head in Khin Myo's lap, and notices the flower which is once more in her hair. She whispers, "You saved us."

    They finally arrive at their destination. Khin Myo disappears, and the Doctor seems intent on leaving Edgar as quickly as possible, too. Edgar thinks everyone has gone to sleep. Have they gone to sleep, or have the Doctor and Khin Myo met to make love or for some other purpose???

    The fact that Nok Lek is so young and yet is considered a fierce fighter does not seem so unusual when we see how young some of the terrorists are today. I'm not suggesting this young man is a terrorist, although I don't know what the British Military would call him, only that in many countries the very young are trained early to fight for the cause.

    Lorrie
    July 13, 2003 - 10:26 pm
    The first half of this novel reminded me of books I read by flashlight, under the covers, when I was young. Stories so gripping that I could not wait until morning to see what happened.

    Sherlock Holmes cases, Jane Eyre, Jack London's tales of the frozen North — adventures of the heart or the mind, or the old-fashioned kind that sent men off to search for places and treasures that others had died trying to find.

    This book has all that, and more.

    "The Piano Tuner" is all of these things, and this author raises the stakes by adding music and poetry.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 13, 2003 - 11:37 pm
    Lorrie, Mason does raise the "stakes by adding music and poetry." I sat on the end of my chair and bed reading about the dacoits attack.

    I like to read the letters which Drake writes to Katherine. I do wonder why Mason did not include Katherine's replies to Drake. I feel that she must feel very, very lonely back in England. What would her writing style be like?

    It is wonderful that Katherine has a husband who is so willing and loyal and loving. He comfortably shares his feelings with her in those letters.

    Drake's humility comes across in his letters. He writes about the difference of this world compared to his own world. Yet, he admits to finding it hard to understand this world. "...I have seen a world that is very different, yet I have not begun to understand it." Then, appreciation must be totally different from understanding because Drake does appreciate the beauty of this world.

    Drake on this journey, through the writing of his letters, is coming to understand more about himself. He writes to Katherine "Coming here has created a strange feeling of emptiness in me that I didn't know I had, and I don't know whether heading into the jungle will fill it, or tear it open further."

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 14, 2003 - 04:56 am

    Edgar Drake apparently has not received any of Katherine's letters yet.

    I wonder if any of his have gotten to her?

    Without a response, letters are only a means of writing to oneself, but then often that's what they really are. At one time in my life I wrote many, many letters every single day. I finally came to the realization that one reason I wrote them was to know exactly how I felt by seeing the words on paper.

    It's interesting on Page 146 that Drake talks in a letter to his wife of his duty to England by repairing the Erard:
    "I know we spoke often of this at home, and I still don't doubt the piano's role. But I have come to think that "bringing music and culture here" is more subtle . . . . there are art and music here already . . . . their own art, their own music. This is not to say that we should not bring such things to Burma; perhaps only that it should be done with more humility."
    It sounds as if Edgar Drake is looking at more than one thing with different eyes.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 14, 2003 - 05:05 am
    I wonder how long did it take for mail to get from Burma to England or England to Burma. Maybe over a week?

    My uncle was a missionary in Borneo during the fifties. He would write a community letter to the whole family. I can not remember how long it took for the letters to reach us.

    The downside of being in a country so far away is that it takes so long to get mail.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 14, 2003 - 05:22 am

    Hats, remembering Drake's long journey to Burma and the difficulty getting from one place to another there in the late 1800's, I would think mail would take much more than a week to arrive at its destination at that time.

    How very interesting that your uncle did missionary work in Borneo!

    Mal

    Hats
    July 14, 2003 - 06:01 am
    Mal, yes. I am thinking well over a week. Maybe a month???? I am wasting space guessing.

    Lorrie
    July 14, 2003 - 08:07 am
    Hats, I too, began to look forward to reading what Edgar was writing to his wife. Those letters were very illuminating, and gave us an insight into how Drake was thinking, what his impressions were, etc. She seemed like such an understanding wife when we first met her, and yet now the thought of the wife back in England seems remote, ethereal, somehow.

    Someone else mentioned it and I do believe it's true. There's a definite air of sensuality in some of Mason's descriptions, particularly when he writes about this enigmatic Khin Myo. I am very curious about this woman.

    Horselover, I think we actually get on to Part 2 on this coming Wednesday, July 16, (as per your Post #223) I know, it is very tempting to get ahead of ourselves, especially if you have read the whole book.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 14, 2003 - 09:21 am

    Where would Katherine's letters be sent? To the British military at Mandalay? If the British think Edgar Drake has defied their wishes by going with Anthony Carroll's messenger to Mae Lwin, would his wife's letters be delivered to him? Would his letters to her be sent out or would they be held by the military?

    Below are links to a couple of pictures.


    Burmese dancer at a pwe. Click Photo Showcase. Then click picture of dancer

    Padaung mother and child. Click Photo Showcase. Then click picture of mother and child

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 14, 2003 - 12:09 pm
    ah for the days when travel was an adventure into the exotic - where as my trip was a nightmare of current technology meeting nature - weather - storms so flight cancelled in Atlanta - next flight also cancelled - no flights till next day - daughter drove two and half hours to get me - would not allow me to get my luggage since it had all gone through security and no baggage handlers - luggage was to arrive next day in Asheville and be delivered to our front doorstep - they call - we are not home - no one answering the phone or who will be there when the deliver arrives does not get a delivery - we are scheduled to drive north the Wilkes Barra (sp) North Carolina a 3 hour car trip - no time to stop at airport - Gary, bless his heart after a full days work in Greenville drives to Asheville - picks up my luggage and then drives home - we arrive home at 1:00 in the morning with upset stomachs from the food in Ryan's - shish - not even a Starbucks in any of the towns we drove through for a lovely cup of coffee - twenty-first travel sure cannot match the slow pace adventure complete with a wondering poet of turn of the 20th century travel can it.

    And speaking of exotic that is the discription I have for Khin Myo - like a beautiful Bird of Paradise. Edgar must have been enchanted with not only her beauty but her connections with Carroll - her connection with this important man sure did not seem similar at all to the connections men have with women in London - even Edgar's relationship with Kathryn, although loving, was not as an equal.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 14, 2003 - 02:19 pm

    Barbara, since Wilkes Barre is in Pennsylvania, I can only think you mean Wilkesboro, NC. When you're out in the Asheville area, you're out in the boondocks. You're not going to find a Starbucks in them thar Western NC Smoky Mountain hills except in a city. Sorry you had such trouble with your luggage. You do know I live an hour and a half East of Charlotte which is in the middle of the state? If your stay had been longer, I'd have asked you to come visit. Did you go to DC and the Smithsonian?



    Everything about Burma is different from London, including the women. Khin Myo is pretty to look at, smells good and can shoot a gun. Her manner is different, and she waits on Edgar Drake in a kind of Oriental way. Drake knows as much about her -- or less -- than he does Carroll. His head is being turned by differences and imagination, it seems to me. Where are his practicality and his sense of self-preservation? He's a foreigner in a strange land, and his guards are dropping. His naiveté will surely get him in trouble if he doesn't watch out. I see danger signals all around in this Shangri-La.

    Mal

    horselover
    July 14, 2003 - 03:55 pm
    Lorrie, I haven't finished the book. I actually read only two pages of Book Two. I'm sorry if anything from those two pages crept into my last post.

    Does anyone wonder how Edgar travelled so many days without changing his clothes, or even washing? Khin Myo washes, we are told, several times when they stop to eat or sleep. But Edgar seems to just fall onto his mat at night, or get onto his pony without thinking of hygiene. Khin Myo may remain pretty to look at and smell good, but Edgar must be in a terrible state by the time he arrives at the fort--covered in mud.

    Khin Myo told Edgar to leave most of his clothes and belongings behind so that it would not appear that he had left. That being the case, letters would not be sent to him at the fort even if they did get to Mandalay. And he would not be sending letters from the fort to Mandalay.

    Katherine must be feeling very lonely. They have no children. Did she have any relatives living nearby? What was she planning to do for the three months Edgar was away?

    Lorrie
    July 14, 2003 - 04:09 pm
    Oh, Horselover, I've been sitting here giggling because that very same thought entered my head. I kept wondering when Edgar ever shaved, if he did, when he had a bath, all those small ablutions we all do, even when travelling. By the time he reaches Dr. Carroll, he must be pretty rancid. Hahaha

    So when he fell into the muck and became all mud-spattered there at he end of the chapter, affording so much amusement to his companions, it couldn't have made all that much difference in his appearance.

    WELCOME BACK, BARBARA! I don''t think I will think of travel with longing so much anymore.

    Lorrie

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 14, 2003 - 11:50 pm
    Yep Wilkesboro is what is was...tomorrow morning we leave for D.C. -

    Sunday, Ty (age 12) and I hiked on some private land to see a waterfalls high in the mountain side - started to rain and oh boy did it rain hard - we were wet through but we kept on climbing with thunder and lightening all around us - on the way back we desided we were so wet that taking our shoes and socks off to ford the stream, as we did on the way up, was a waste of energy and so we wadded through the rapids, shoes and all - of course Ty got a kick out of that - my glasses kept fogging up from body heat - and so our drinking water became a quick glass wash - Ty had it all figured out how to make windshilds for eyeglasses with tiny magnets and other electronic material - we were so wet and cold when we got to the van all we wanted was a hot shower when we hit the house - in the middle of summer a hot shower - who would believe - amazing.

    We saw so many different kinds of mushrooms that now we just must get a book with photos to learn what we saw - red ones, pink ones and big ones and tiny round ones and some that looked like a coral bracket - just reminded me that right here and now surrounded by nature can be pretty wonderful - I think we spend so much more of our time indoors and living our routine rather than enjoying our own version of Burma if we could take some time to get off our beaten trail - I know I was enchanted with this book but read it in the comfort of my home where as hiking that mountain was every bit the exotic adventure - of course I have slowed down (not in shape like I should be) and Ty was patient but then, in the out-of-doors I wonder if that is par - we have a patient Khin Myo don't we - Carroll is a question - is he a good guy but just an in-house rebel or does he have his own agenda for his own benefit.

    I think it is interesting that Mason shows the native people as so clean and bathed - we do that don't we - we assume folks who are different than ourselves and who have a different diet with different cooking odors to be unwashed or unclean - especially if they bath differently than we do - and here it is Edgar that seems to be the rumpled baily - probably all sweaty and pink skinned from exposure to the sun and heat. Having lived all his life in a northern climate he probably has no clue how to dress or care for himself in the heat.

    I remember back in the 70s when I worked at the Girl Scout camp a young exchange counceler from Finland was with us for the summer - she had experienced heat stroke - it took the nurse helping her understand that she could not use the face and body creams she was in the habit of slathering on morning and night - that the creams she was using was not letting her skin breath in our 100 degree weather. Just something so little as cream that she was used to could make such a difference.

    And so I can imagine Edgar tumbling in and out of his cot with exhaustion just from the heat he would not have been used to. I doubt his clothes were of light weight cotton but probably a heavy linen or cotton twill. I bet the style was with a jacket rather than a shirt in a jacket sytle.

    As to Katherine - seems to me women were often left on their own for long spells as men traveled, took ships to sea, fought wars, tamed the far distant lands that Britain tried to absorb and change to her liking. Even in town you get the impression that women were orniments shown in public sparingly but for the most part on their own with their music, gardens, sewing, social calls, household duties etc. Although, we did not read of an active home life or social life for the Drakes when Edgar was still in London nor did we read that they had a close relationship with family. They seemed like loners and Katherine was all about caring for her man. Seems tantelizing that there are no children to muddy up the works if Edgar does play footsy in Burma.

    Ok I'll be gone again till the weekend - lets see what the highway has to offer - hope better than the skyway.

    Hats
    July 15, 2003 - 01:38 am
    Barbara, it is fun to read your adventures along with Edgar Drake's adventures. Thanks for taking time out to write us.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 15, 2003 - 03:23 am

    Barbara, we have had a lot of rain in NC recently, and it's been a cooler than usual July. The last time I was in the mountains with my son and his family, we stayed near Lake Lure and spent some time at Chimney Rock, which isn't all that far from where you are, I believe. It's beautiful country with much to see. You're off to Washington today. My daughter and I drove up to DC a few years ago to meet my New York son in the railroad station for lunch. It is full of fine restaurants unlike the old days when I lived so close to Washington. It took us about eight hours travel time that day, but it was worth every minute of the trip. We drove up, had lunch and turned around and drove back here.



    It never occurred to me to think about whether Edgar Drake took baths and shaved or not. In those times people in England probably took a bath once a week, and less often in the winter. People probably didn't have indoor plumbing and washed up from a basin filled with water poured into it from a pitcher on the marble-topped commmode, first cracking the ice on top of the water in the pitcher on cold mornings.

    Katherine appears to be a very minor character in this book thus far. I don't think I'll spend much time wondering what she did while her husband was away.

    It seems to me that Khin Myo is Anthony Carroll's mistress. How generous he might be with her services I do not know. The author has made this piano tuner a kind of romantic, poetic figure with his head in the clouds of the harmonics that arise when a piano string is well-tempered and a key is struck. His backbone no doubt is straight-laced with Victorian morals, so I doubt if he'll succumb to a roll in the hay in Burma. We'll see.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 15, 2003 - 06:07 am
    I enjoyed reading about the Pwe. I am reminded of a big block party or even Mardi Gras. Here, in Tn. we have a spring festival called Riverbend.

    Reading about the Pew, I became interested in the folk spirits. "nats are Burmese folk spirits, even good Buddhist believe they are everywhere." In the christian world, there are not "nats" but there are angels. In other belief systems, there are other "spirits" who protect or do not protect.

    Hats
    July 15, 2003 - 07:38 am
    I am thinking it is easy to think other beliefs such as Buddhism, etc. are strange. Really, there might be quite a lot of similarities between thought processes. Maybe the old saying is true. People are more alike than they are different.

    Lorrie
    July 15, 2003 - 07:53 am
    Barbara, what an adventuresome summer you are having!! Please remember these wonderful times with your loved ones, because it's so short a time before you will be unable to participate because of ill health. I did laugh at the idea of windshield wipers for glasses. Why not?

    These last few chapters we have gotten away from the subject of the Erhard piano. Now that we are getting close to meeting Dr. Carroll, I am very curious about the reason for his request for this instrument. Like, why a piano? Why not a guitar, or flute, even a violin, any smaller instrument? Wasn't it a flute-like instrument that the solders reported he used to calm the dacoits?

    And looking back, it seems to me as though Katherine would be a very lonely woman. They apparently didn't have many close friends, and little is said of family on either side. Those long walks they took together in London before he left! Just the two of them.

    Hats, looking back to those fascinating "street scenes," do you have a theory of why, whenever they approached each pwe, chairs were rushed out for only the "white" members of their party? The good Captain had to insist on seating for the lady. I wonder if there is any significance to that.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 15, 2003 - 08:06 am
    Hi Lorrie,

    I am glad you mentioned that part. Somehow, I missed it. I am going back through my pages. I missed something pretty important.

    Hats
    July 15, 2003 - 08:38 am
    Lorrie, I don't know the answer.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 15, 2003 - 08:38 am

    Hats, Christianity evolved from ancient religions which existed long before even Judaism. The idea of a virgin birth of a kind of messiah, and resurrection, was held by pagan groups in very ancient times. Buddhism and Islam are relatively new. Buddhism is not considered a religion by many, many people, including scholars. It is considered to be a philosophy because it does not focus on God. There are three kinds of Buddhism. Theravada Buddhism was practised in Burma at the time of this story. You can read about Theravada Buddhism HERE. The language of Theravada Buddhism is Pali. This language is mentioned in Mason's book.





    Edgar Drake's wife would have been sustained while he was away by the idea that he had been commissioned by the Queen to repair and tune the piano in Burma. This was a very great honor. Before he left, Drake put a sign on his gate. Page 40. "Gone to Burma to tune in the service of Her Majesty; please consult Mr. Claude Hastings for minor tunings that cannot await my return." Katherine holds a small tea party for her husband and their friends a week before he is to leave. "Everyone at the party was thrilled about the Erard commission . . ." Among those who were thrilled was Katherine, who was very thrilled, indeed.

    On Page 147 in Chapter 11 Drake talks about the piano in a letter to Katherine. I quoted from this letter in a previous post.

    I don't wonder as much about the fact that Carroll had a piano shipped to Burma as the fact that he required that a piano technician be sent from England to tune it. Surely other people in Burma owned pianos and there were tuners already there. The excuse that it was an Erard piano which needed special attention by a tuner who knew those pianos is not enough to suit me.

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 15, 2003 - 08:47 am

    Do you suppose that the British occupying forces in Burma required that chairs be in position for them, their wives and their guests when they attended performances at a pwe?

    Mal

    horselover
    July 15, 2003 - 06:23 pm
    MAL, You mentioned having lunch at the railroad station in Washington D.C. It is a great place, rivalled only by Grand Central Station in NYC. Last time we went to D.C. from NY, we took the Acella train. On the day we left, we ate at a nice restaurant in the station, and even took the grandchildren to a movie there before boarding the train.

    I think Khin Myo did not get a seat at first because she was probably regarded as a servant.

    You mentioned that Christianity evolved from ancient religions. I can remember taking a course when I was in college where we read James Frazer's book on this topic. I can still remember being amazed at discovering how similar the stories and ceremonies of other peoples were to those I had previously considered as belonging to the Judeo-Christian tradition.


    Barbara, Your interesting adventures do sound a little like Edgar's.

    I wonder if Anthony Carroll actually instructed Khin Myo to become more friendly with Edgar in order to enable her to more easily persuade him to circumvent the wishes of the British authorities. What does Doctor Carroll really want with Edgar?

    georgehd
    July 15, 2003 - 08:15 pm
    Mal, the origins of Buddhism goes back to around 500 BCE whereas Islam starts, I believe, around 700 CE so Buddhism is developing around that time that Judaism developed and five or six hundred years before Christianity and Islam. Buddhism, like Judaism and Islam, implies a way of life. God is essential to Islam but not to Judaism (though many would argue this point). To gain some perspective, Columbus discovered the new world about five hundred years ago.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 16, 2003 - 02:24 am

    Hoopoe bird

    Another picture of a Hoopoe bird

    Hats
    July 16, 2003 - 06:01 am
    Mal, I love the Hoopoe birds. So beautiful.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 16, 2003 - 06:57 am

    Edgar Drake barely gets off that pony when the doctor tells him they're going on a hunt. Back on another pony for another long ride. Have we been told that Drake is a horseman used to riding through rough terrain? It seems to me that a novice would scarcely be able to walk after the tough trek to Mae Lwin.

    Carroll points out the flora and fauna on what turns out to be a botanical hunt. Before they leave Drake sees a hoopoe bird for the first time; then a raptor later. They are near Siam, Carroll tells Drake. He also tells about the growing of opium by the Shans, smallpox in the area, and he shows Drake the singing rock. It is all quite idyllic, except for the dacoits, the snakes and serious illness. I wonder if Drake is too blinded by the beauty to realize the dangers?

    There is still no sign of the piano Edgar Drake has traveled so far to fix.

    Mal

    horselover
    July 16, 2003 - 08:53 am
    I think we were told that Edgar had ridden a horse before. He mentions recalling the thrill of galloping when Nok Lek picks up the pace on the trail. Although riding a pony is somewhat easier than a horse, Edgar does think about his muscles aching after he arrives. But he seems unwilling to antagonize Doctor Carroll, even if he does not want to hunt.

    The Doctor seems to think his major legacy will be the pharmacopia he is trying to accumulate, rather than establishing the peace which first intrigued Edgar Drake.

    Hats
    July 16, 2003 - 08:57 am
    I am in the chapters where Carroll introduces Drake to the Erard Piano. First, there is Dr. Carroll examining and diagnosing illnesses. Then, there is Drake lying out his tools to fix the piano. In some way, both the repairing of the piano and the healing of the sick seem alike in some way. Both men are really doctors in their own professions.

    Carroll seems like a very kind man. He shows deep concern for each patient. Carroll explains to Drake that there are only ninety six named diseases in Burma. I thought that was interesting.

    Lorrie
    July 16, 2003 - 10:08 am
    Hats, do you think the details about Dr. Carroll's "hospital" and patients, which I found engrossing, were enhanced by the writer's own experiences in the medical field? After all, Daniel Mason has been studying malaria on the Thai/Myanmar border, and is now a student at the Univerity of California medical school in San Francisco., that should be credentials enough. Incidentally, I like your comparison between the two "doctors."

    Lorrie

    Lorrie
    July 16, 2003 - 10:18 am
    On Page 173 , top of the page, Edgar ruminates while shaving (finally!) about his first impressions of the doctor,and how different he seemed to what he had expected, and then tells himself, "Perhaps it is because this is all so English

    Did your first impression of Dr. Carroll jibe with what you had envisioned of him?

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 16, 2003 - 10:50 am
    Lorrie, I do think Daniel Mason's personal experiences helped to make this story more plausible. Dr. Carroll's experiences with smallpox, goiters and malaria seem very real simply because of Mason's true life experiences with malaria, etc. I never knew the origin and definition of malaria (shame, shame) until reading this book.

    "I have been very interested because most Europeans think that the disease is caused by breathing bad air from the swamps, that is why the Italians named the disease mala aria, 'bad air.'

    There is more about Malaria than I quoted. It starts on pg. 187.

    Lorrie
    July 16, 2003 - 01:26 pm
    It’s fascinating, isn’t it, how some of the remedies that the good doctor uses on his patients, new and untried ones, are ones that eventually become standard treatments. Like malaria, even then Dr. Carroll thought perhaps it came from mosquitoes, And his feelings about opium, used in medicinal form, are quite forthright. He is also open-minded enough to realize that some of the local medicine that he uses in combination to his own, can be just as effective

    The passage about the amputation of the young boy’s fingers, crude as it was,.was very vivid, and yet I have the feeling that this man was doing everything he possibly could to help these people. Whatever else he may be, he cannot be faulted for the care he takes of his patients.

    I just finished reading the letter that Carroll had given Edgar to read, about the torturous route that he had to take to bring the piano up from Mandalay. It’s a study in incongruities, like the piano swaying on the back of an elephant, releasing random notes as the hammers bounce against the strings.

    More on this later.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 16, 2003 - 02:44 pm

    Hats, you have a fine, analytical mind, and you have realized that Edgar Drake is as much a healer as Anthony Carroll is.

    When we read, we generally think about what we know more than we do what is unfamiliar. Most of us know and relate to doctors and medicine much better than we do the structure and maintenance of a piano. Most of us have not experienced the relationship between the musician who owns a piano and his or her instrument, as well as the relationship between the piano and the person who comes in to keep it in good working order so it is able to produce beautiful music.

    Daniel Mason is not a piano technician. He had probably never tuned a piano in his life when he wrote what he did in this book. As a pianist who has watched people tune pianos so many times I can't even remember, I want to say that Mason's accounting of the repair, regulating, tempering, voicing and tuning Drake did is not only credible, it is absolutely accurate, even to the shimming of the cracks in the sounding board with bamboo. There is much to be learned from this book, if one takes the time to think about what the author says.



    I do have a problem with one thing, though, as Mason wrote it. I have owned grand pianos, and I have had them moved. They are never moved with the legs in place. The legs are always taken off and moved separately when grand pianos are moved.

    Mason says Carroll played the piano during the course of moving it to Mae Lwin. Though it's possible to play a grand piano with the legs off, it's not possible to play it well. With the bottom of the sounding board on or near the ground, the sound if it's played is not good at all. The sounding board does just what it says: it makes the music sound. It has to be elevated in all pianos to make them sound good.

    No musician would ever attempt to play it in that state, nor would an elephant be able to carry it with the legs still on, as far as I can see, unless it was carried upside-down. I can't even visualize the piano's move as described, unless the legs were first removed. Saying Carroll played the piano en route is a misstatement, as far as I'm concerned, and it's the only thing in this book that bothers me.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 16, 2003 - 02:54 pm
    It was very exciting to read about the passage of the piano up through the mountains. Then, the young man dying of snake bite. The only way to carry his body and the piano was to drape the man across the piano. The way the body is sprawled over the piano is likened to a famous painting, Van der Weyden's Descent from the Cross.

    I looked up that painting, but I don't have the ability to bring it from one site to another and link it like Lorrie, Mal and others.

    "As they lowered the piano onto the beach, the lines of the body reminded me of van der Weyden's Descent from the Cross, an image which will be permanently fixed in my memory."

    The way Daniel Mason thought to relate the painting to the way the man's body is placed across the piano is really awesome.

    Hats
    July 16, 2003 - 03:01 pm
    The painting is named near the bottom of page two hundred and eleven.

    Mal, I think Carroll played the piano a total of fourteen times before going so many miles. Maybe the music was not too off tune to Carroll because he wanted to hear the piano so badly.The natives didn't know what a piano should sound like. Probably, the sound of the tinkling keys was enough to make everyone happy.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 16, 2003 - 03:08 pm

    Hats, that's as good an explanation as any. Carroll has already said he couldn't stand to play the piano before Drake went to Burma because it was so out of tune. It's hard for me to imagine how he felt if he played it on the trip. Each time the elephant stepped or the men took a step, not to mention the effects of being outside in the weather, the voicing and tuning of the piano would be affected.

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 16, 2003 - 03:11 pm

    Van der Weyden: Descent from the Cross

    Hats
    July 16, 2003 - 03:14 pm
    Yippee!! Mal, thanks for the link! Lorrie, I am so glad you picked this book. No wonder Barbara finished it so quickly.

    Lorrie
    July 16, 2003 - 04:13 pm
    In the post #223, Horselover writes:

    "They finally arrive at their destination. Khin Myo disappears, and the Doctor seems intent on leaving Edgar as quickly as possible, too. Edgar thinks everyone has gone to sleep. Have they gone to sleep, or have the Doctor and Khin Myo met to make love or for some other purpose??? "

    Does anyone else have the feeling that there is something going on between the doctor and Khin Myo?

    Lorrie

    horselover
    July 16, 2003 - 05:44 pm
    It's interesting that we live in a time when smallpox has supposedly been eradicated from the earth, except for the possibility that terrorists may use the supplies stored for research to create biological weapons. But in Mae Lwin, smallpox is an epidemic and there is no treatment. Doctor Carroll tells us that in England the populace is vaccinated with cowpox--the first type of vaccine discovered to prevent smallpox outbreaks. But even this primitive vaccine is too costly to be made available in Burma.

    It reminds me of what happened when a treatment for HIV was first developed in the U.S. but was too costly to be used in developing countries. Eventually some of the developing countries fought back by ignoring patents and creating generic versions of the AIDS drugs for themselves. Finally, the drug companies caved in and agreed to sell the drugs to these countries at a steep discount to preserve some of their profit, and perhaps for humanitarian reasons as well.

    The same eventually happened with smallpox as the developed nations realized that in order to wipe out the disease and prevent its return as a scourge to us all, we needed to help the underdeveloped nations purchase and administer the smallpox vaccine.

    horselover
    July 16, 2003 - 06:00 pm
    1878
    Britain passes the Opium Act with hopes of reducing opium consumption. Under the new regulation, the selling of opium is restricted to registered Chinese opium smokers and Indian opium eaters while the Burmese are strictly prohibited from smoking opium.

    1886
    The British acquire Burma's northeast region, the Shan state. Production and smuggling of opium along the lower region of Burma thrives despite British efforts to maintain a strict monopoly on the opium trade.

    Doctor Carroll seems to think that opium is one of the best medicines he has for treating pain, diarrhea, cough, etc. Years ago, the British did not care how much harm manufacturing and selling these addictive drugs in Asia did as long as it made a profit for the Empire.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 16, 2003 - 06:17 pm

    The United States was pretty big in the opium business, too. Laudanum was used commonly. Don't forget Paregoric and other drugs containing opium which were distributed without prescription. Don't forget, too, that when Coca Cola started in 1886 it contained Cocaine. We humans do love our "fixes".

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 16, 2003 - 06:43 pm

    The Opium War's Secret History

    horselover
    July 17, 2003 - 09:57 am
    MAL, I agree with both you and Doctor Carroll that narcotics do have valid uses in medicine. Codeine is still the most effective cough relief. Cough syrups with codeine were sold over the counter in the U.S. until fairly recently when it was discovered by underage kids who would chug down bottles of the stuff to get high. I'm sure that someday, the kinds of treatments we have now for some illnesses will be considered not very effective. Most chemotherapy targets healthy cells as well as sick ones, and often helps kill the patient rather than cure them. We also have no real treatments for illnesses like Parkinson's, Cystic Fibrosis, and Alzheimer's. Doctor Carroll is doing the best he can with what is available to him in his time and place. It's sad that there is so little he can do for many of his patients.

    It does seem strange that Doctor Carroll was so desperate to get the piano tuner to come to Mae Lwin, and now he has Edgar spending his time "hunting" plants and assisting in the surgery. I'm only up to Chapter 13, so I wonder what is going on.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 17, 2003 - 01:36 pm

    HORSELOVER, don't forget morphine, which is used quite regularly in the U.S. for post-operative and other patients in severe pain. And they make a fuss about the use of marijuana in medicine? My brother has Parkinson's disease, and does well with medication he takes. He also has had surgery for this illness. I wouldn't mind a little codeine myself today to dull the pain caused by cellulitis in my left leg. I have web page work to do and am finding it hard to get comfortable in front of this computer. One can chugalug just so many Aleve and Tylenol tablets, after all.

    It does appear that Anthony Carroll has more in mind for Edgar Drake than repairing and tuning his piano, doesn't it? I feel quite certain that Khin Myo ( I want to write that "Kin Meow"! ) is Carroll's mistress. Her part in Drake's visit is curious, to say the least.

    Isn't it interesting that Drake took the bullet that damaged the sounding board of the piano and the broken A strings as souvenirs? I loved the description of the Salween River reflecting in the top of the piano when it was raised. What an unusual sight to think about! What an extraordinary place!

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 17, 2003 - 04:42 pm
    The story of how the piano was brought across that horrible terrain to their camp is fascinating and bizarre, and brings up vivid impressions, like the van der Weyden painting.

    Horselover, I, too, wonder what's going on. At the end of Chapter 14 I started to feel a sense of unease---I don't like the reluctance Edgar is showing about returning home. It appears that he is falling under the spell of Burma, he is being seduced and overwhelmed by the new experiences and sensations, not the least of which is the sensuality of the place and the people. Those last words in that chapter seemed ominous: "Besides," he thought,"I have only just arrived."

    Lorrie

    Lorrie
    July 17, 2003 - 04:48 pm
    I think you are all wondering, just as I am, WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO PLAY THAT PIANO? Now that it is all tuned and repaired, don't you just wish someone would come along and start banging keys?

    Speaking of tuning, I am in awe of the research and effort that Daniel Mason put into his segment on piano tuning. His research appears to be first-rate, and although I know little about the subject, it's obvious that he knows wherof he speaks. I wonder if the author is a musician, also? That particular section of the chapter was fascinating.

    Lorrie

    horselover
    July 17, 2003 - 05:18 pm
    MAL, I just love your nickname for the lovely Khin Myo (Meow)! I think it fits her. She is intelligent, clever and can be quite seductive; she cleans herself regularly even under the most adverse conditions; she does not court your favor unless she wants something from you. I know cats that are a lot like this (haha).

    As for maintaining a supply of codeine: Whenever you, or anyone in your family, gets a prescription from the dentist or doctor for Tylenol+Codeine or cough syrup with codeine, always fill it as many times as allowed even if you feel you will not need it all. That way, you will have it when you feel you do need it. Codeine has almost no expiration date.

    Hats
    July 17, 2003 - 11:18 pm
    Lorrie, the last sentence of chapter fourteen stuck with me too.

    "Besides, he thought, I have only just arrived."

    It is interesting how this place, Burma, has made Edgar lose touch with time. I am not really sure who or what he finds so captivating. I do feel a hint of romance in the air. Probably, there is a slower pace in Burma than in England. Then, there is the attraction for the exotic and new. When our children were young, we travelled to different places. We didn't have the money to travel outside of the states. Still, there was always that feeling of losing touch with time because of the new sights and sounds whether we were in Florida, Virginia, Missouri or South Carolina.

    Lorrie
    July 18, 2003 - 09:06 am
    On page 221, I believe this is the first indication that there is actually a sexual relationship between Khin Myo and Dr. Carroll.. Without coming right out and saying so explicitly, the subject arises in a personal conversation between Edgar and Khin Myo. He says,”You have the doctor------“ immediately he regretted saying this.

    “That is something I wish I had told you in Mandalay. If only to save you from having to ask,.” is her response.

    Up until now this had only been conjecture.
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    On page 240, (last paragraph) after Edgar and Khin Myo reached shelter, rain-soaked, in front of her room, Edgar feels the intense attraction to this sensual woman that has been building all along, and almost makes a move toward that culmination, but is held back by a certain restraint that is poignantly described by the author:

    And perhaps it could have been, had Edgar acted with the spontaneity of the rain, had he moved towards her with the same boldness with which water falls. But not now. This expects too much of a man whose life is defined by creating order so that others may make beauty. It expects too much of one who makes rules to ask that he break them.”

    I feel that this is beautifully written.

    Lorrie

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  • horselover
    July 18, 2003 - 11:11 am
    Why do you suppose Doctor Carroll plays such a cruel joke on Edgar, telling him that the dacoits are known to tear tongues from mouths? Does he just want to see how gulllible Edgar is? Or does he want to inject a note of fear into their relationship? He tells Edgar that he has seen the Doctor in his surgery, but "not when we question prisoners." Perhaps the Doctor is warning Edgar, in a jocular way, that he is no longer totally English, and that living in the jungle for all this time has made him less civilized if need be.

    It's interesting to find that, at this time, not only was medical treatment very primitive, but the causes of certain diseases were only beginning to be suspected. Carroll has been grinding up mosquitoes in hopes of verifying a new theory about malaria, and he himself is not sure about the latest opinion of the cause of rabies. It's easy to see why the average life span was around forty at that time.

    When Edgar begins to work on the piano, it occurs to him that even if he succeeds in repairing and tuning the instrument, the sun and humidity can cause it to go out of tune in days. Is Edgar being overly optimistic when he speculates that he will teach someone at the fort to tune the piano? Is the Doctor already planning to try to keep Edgar from leaving? Is Edgar himself developing too much pride in his skill when he works for hours doing the job with a small penknife rather than ask Carroll for some tools that are probably available?

    horselover
    July 18, 2003 - 04:52 pm
    All of us seem to be worried about Edgar's desire to stay in the far reaches of Burma even though his services are no longer required. "I have been away from home for a long time," he says. "Perhaps too long." Does he mean that, like the Doctor, he may not be fit for the staid life in England any more? One of the reviews of this book said that "at heart it is a story of the human urge to be absorbed fully into life, to cease to be a bystander..." Is this what motivates Edgar? Does he think that when he returns to England and his wife, he will once again become a bystander in life? Does this mean that those of us who work at fairly ordinary jobs, and live relatively peaceful lives, travelling only occasionally to unfamiliar places, are also bystanders. I feel that raising wonderful children who are useful citizens makes all of us more than mere bystanders. What do you think?

    I also wonder about Nok Lek's comment that the Doctor is "like a prince." Someone earlier made the comment that she expected Danny and Peachy to emerge from the jungle. Does the Doctor have elements of the tragic flaw that caused the downfall of those two Englishmen who tried to tame the natives and make themselves royalty. Will the Doctor go too far and be brought down by pride?

    Lorrie
    July 18, 2003 - 05:23 pm
    Yes, Horselover, those are pertinent comments, and I agree, to a certain extent. Although I got the impression that it was Edgar who was more eager to stay than the doctor was to have him. On pages 203 and 204 Carroll's responses to Edgar's weak excuses for staying longer were hardly excessively cordial.

    My memory is failing me. I cannot remember just how it was that the bullet got into the piano in the first place? Does anyone remember?

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 18, 2003 - 05:38 pm
    Lorrie, I can't remember how the bullet got into the piano either. What befuddled me was the comparison between the Van Der Meyer painting and the way the man's body draped across the piano. Why did Mason relate that particular painting to the accident? I have wondered and wondered and can not come up with an explanation. Horselover, can you think of a reason?

    Lorrie, I had the same impression. It is Edgar who has lost touch with time. Something or Someone in that Burmese jungle has captivated Edgar. He acts as though he were hypnotized. Maybe Mason uses this device to make the reader contrast the life in Burma with the life in England.

    I have heard that some foreign countries do look at time differently than Americans. We rush and do everything in a hurry. In other countries, there is a sense of quietness, no rush. It might be called a simpler way of thinking.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 18, 2003 - 06:57 pm

    The way the body of Christ is painted in the Descent from the Cross painting by Van der Weyden is the way the man's body was draped across the piano, according to Mason's description.



    On Page 143 Drake is in Mandalay. The subaltern tells him Mae Lwin has been attacked by unknown masked riders, and he tells Drake it would be very unwise for him to try and go there and that he should go home to England. He is told that several of the Surgeon Major's bottles of elixirs were damaged. "Apparently a stray bullet also struck . . . other supplies important to the Doctor's current work." That's when the bullet went through the sounding board of the piano and could not go through the lid; thus falling back on the sounding board where Drake found it.



    On Page 64, the deaf man has been telling Drake his story of going on a search for water with a woman. At a certain point, she lifts the veil from her face. Her eyes were that of a woman. Her mouth seems like a mirage. Then the deaf man sees that her mouth and nose were those of a deer. This tells me that Khin Myo is not what she appears to be. It is when the deaf man sees the woman's face that he hears the song -- "forbidden and intoxicating" -- like nothing he had ever heard. This is like the song of a siren.

    Drake has tasted the lotus, and he is beginning to hear the song of the siren. This is why he doesn't want to leave. Carroll knows what's been happening to Drake, and he takes advantage of his vulnerability, gullibility and naiveté. The story of cutting out tongues is Carroll's way of playing on all of these things.

    I believe Drake is heading straight into danger, and that he has been ever since he left Mandalay.

    Mal

    annafair
    July 18, 2003 - 07:57 pm
    I cant believe how much rain and Tstorms we have had this year. We had a terrific storm the other night with all sorts of debris flying about in the air and rain so heavy I could not see the houses next door and they are not that far away....I have spent two days lugging branches big as small trees to the curb and picking up dead branches ..some about 5 inches across...it has been a mess and we were also without power for awhile..which almost never happens in my area...

    this is such a fascinating book ,...I am impressed with the detail written in such a way you find it absolutely fascinating...who would have thought reading about how a piano is tuned would be so interesting?

    I love all the links and the bird ..oh I forgot the name was truly a handsome bird ..since I have feeders outside my sunroom windows and spend the whole year watching them this bird would be welcome at my feeders anytime!

    The painting really held my attention ..not only thinking how Mason compared the body draped on the piano but the colors and details in the painting itself. I have been to the Louvre in person and via the internet and it is special to be able to look at a painting ..really look at it withour feeling you are keeping someone else from viewing it ...so thanks thanks for the links...

    I would have to get my book (it is in the car since I took it to the doctor's office) but at the end of one of the chapters in the first week and I am not sure of the exact quote but it said something about Edgar disappearing..ever since I read that I felt OH MY GOODNESS this sounds very foreboding and have read the rest of the chapters feeling danger is just around the corner waiting to grab Edgar.

    Will be away for two days so it will be Monday before I return...going to Northern Va to help celebrate my son in law's Birthday...you have a great weekend ...anna

    Hats
    July 18, 2003 - 09:31 pm
    Hi Anna,

    What a wonderful experience to attend the Louvre. I can't imagine seeing this painting or any other at the Louvre. I am glad you shared your experience. Thanks.

    Stay safe during the storms.

    Have fun in Va.

    Lorrie
    July 18, 2003 - 10:14 pm
    Mal, thank you for reminding me of just where the part dealing with the bullet was. And yes, yes, The "song of the siren." I believe this place is seducing Drake, just as it has done Carroll. The suspense here is acute, and we feel a sense of impending doom.

    Anna, enjoy the weekend.

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 18, 2003 - 10:16 pm

    "Odyssey summary: The Lotus Eaters"

    "Sailing thence they were overtaken by a storm which drove them for nine days till they reached the country of the Lotos-eaters. Here, after watering, Ulysses sent three of his men to discover who the inhabitants were. These men on coming among the Lotos-eaters were kindly entertained by them and were given some of their own food, the lotos plant, to eat. The effect of this food was such that those who partook of it lost all thought of home and wished to remain in that country. It was by main force that Ulysses dragged these men away, and he was even obliged to tie them under the benches of his ship."

    MORE

    horselover
    July 19, 2003 - 07:53 am
    Anna, So sorry you are having such trouble with the rains. I can remember being without power for a week when hurricane Gloria hit the East Coast. We also had tree branches everywhere and tree trimmers made lots of money helping people clean up.

    MAL, Edgar does seem to have some of the symptoms of the lotus eaters. It really surprised me that the fort was attacked, since the Doctor is described as so popular among the natives, donates his medical services, and helps the needy. There seems to be more to this attack than meets the eye. Perhaps the people resent Carroll's regarding himself as a prince.

    Lorrie
    July 19, 2003 - 08:25 am
    Do you think that Edgar is perfectly suited to the task set for him by Anthony Carroll? His dreaminess, his propensity for getting lost, his clumsiness, and his political naivete all seem to serve Carroll''s ends.

    I am at the scene where Edgar is playing the Bach Fugue for the visiting sabwar, and the way Mason describes it, I feel as though I were sitting right in the room, surrounded by these ornately-clad individuals, and becoming lost in the beauty of the music coming forth from that great piano. It's very vivid.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 19, 2003 - 04:04 pm
    I have fallen behind everyone else. I am at the part where Carroll is talking about finding a new plant for the Linneaus Society, and translating Homer.

    I had fallen behind in the posts. Mal, the Lotus Eater poem by Tennyson explains Drakes behavior. Wow!! your post about Ulysses and the rest is very, very exciting to me. Now, I know what is wrong with Drake. It is like he has been drugged. Wow! Wow! Wow!

    It always helps to read with others.

    Hats
    July 19, 2003 - 04:56 pm
    To me, Khin Myo seems the one who is doing the seducing and not Drake. Drake is enjoying the seduction. He is not the aggressive one. I can't understand why she is so intent on tempting Drake into a romance. Anna, Horselover and most of us have posted about a feeling of danger. I see Khin Myo as the dangerous person.

    Drake, if my memory is correct, sees a woman in a field with a parasol. He knows the Shan women wear turbans or big hats, never parasols for protection. Then, who is this woman? Later, he sees Khin Myo, and she is using a parasol. Is Khin Myo Shan or not Shan? I can not recall.

    "Far ahead on the road, he saw a woman walking with a parasol. It was an image he had seem many times in the lowlands, but not yet in the plateau: the sun overhead, a lone woman hidden beneath her parasol, her dress shimmering in the mirage.....And then suddenly he realized the incongruity of the scene, that Shan women, with their wide-brimmed hats or turbans, rarely carried parasols." I think later he sees Khin Myo with a parasol. I might have that part wrong.

    This description reminded me of the cover on the book. This leads me to believe that a woman, whether dangerous or not dangerous, is going to be a part of the climax of this book.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 19, 2003 - 06:44 pm
    Hi - back to my daughter's in Saluda - my oh my what an adventure in D.C. - but later - first my take on Drake is not that he is physically drugged but that he is overwhelmed and reacting to the world around him as if in a dream world much as a drugged person - the enviornment and circumstances he is experiencing since he left London reminds me of a Jackson Pollock.

    So many viewing modern art in which D.C. abounded just re-reminds me how we typically look for the presence of order, relationships, traditional forms in a landscape - patterns within boundaries where one life-form is more valuable than another - the Euclidian concepts of circle, triangel and square as in the line of a tree or a rhythm in the background rather than a chaos of branches - we like to clean up our view of nature within a paintng - we prefere the painting have a focus or that the artist create a park like quality within space rather than the experience of foreground and background mingled, shallower space creating a sense of each thing in it being of an almost equal significance of roughness and tangledness, craggy, crinkly, touseled continuum of the world. An energy that is really more significant to life.

    London was built to Euclidian specifications with measurements of geometry useful - applied not only to the shapes of buildings, streets, furniture and organizing of movement (transportation, communication) but to the social system, political system, manners, dress code, behavior described within a legal code, the desire to study science and plot each discovery, further develop musical harmonies, proportions, unison - even religion is based on a hiarchy of Gods.

    Burma during this time in history is not only an exotic concept but closer to the chaos within nature - a more primitive enviornment - we are given to question which governing political group is more valuable than the next - the religion is based on a multiple concept of Gods - the highway is either a river or elephants creating their highways as they move through the tangeled and dangerous brush - poets and small boys whose stories take circular twists - an exotic women with secrets who is important to Carroll and yet, is she could be also important to local war lords - we continue to read waves of random starts that lead us to ask more questions or wonder where Mason is heading - what will become of Drake in Carroll's world - where the English have created a railroad system that is thrust into the chaos of the landscape as a line of order - this line is being attacked by rebel forces before the line is even completed - the only order that Drake can depend on is the Erard and his ability to make its sound as clear and tuned as possible - the only order to his life is his memory of London when he writes to Katherine. Erard is lost in a Jackson Pollock painting.

    Of course I must fill you in a bit on our trip to D. C. - everyone says the best museums to see are the Air and Space and Natural History - posh and so forth - my daughter and I should have known not to take the word of others by now - the most crowded and boring museums - jammed packed - of things - things that you look at and read about - nothing inter-active about any of it - one or two movies on small screens in the Air and Space - but rather than a nineteenth century museum that just contained rocks and other artifacts this was simply large items and you were supposed to be agog ga simply because a group of scientists and test pilots put these technical devises into space - all wonderful back 25 years ago but now like looking at earlier models of cars - but most of all the people and people and people - shish - and the Natural History was showing the Hope Diamond - no history of where it was found or who cut it only the story of how diamonds develop - again masses of people that if you arrive after 5:30 when the other museums close you are in a line of 300 to 400 people just to enter the museum -

    Ad here I sound like a Garrison Keller routine - his being a cup of coffee cost $4. for us a 79 cent bottle of water cost $2!!!

    We had the best food and best experience the day we arrived and the day we left which were spent in Ikea as my daughter designed and ordered her kitchen and bathrooms and the boys picked out the furniture for their rooms.

    We had stayed at a Sheraton that Kathamarie found on the net offering rooms for less than half price but the cost of food was unbelievable. They had a shuttle though to a Mall where we could catch the Metro. The mall had a great food court where the cost was about a dollar or so higher than we usually pay but the choices were more than fast food and it was all more affordable than anywhere else -

    The afternoon of the first day we found a relished our time at Hirshhorn Museum - spent so much time glorying in the Calder Moiles on display and when the museum closed we toured the Sculpture Court - the boys had a blast - they had smiles on their faces - we all were animated (never saw one tourist in the Air and Space with a smile on their face) we went back to the Hirshhorn the next day and found some interactive art - saw the process used to cast bronze - muecks "Big Man" (fabulous huge exact to every tiny pour and wrinkle - a man - larger than life - naked - sitting up against the wall with a strange smirk on his face) we visited the museum store and then went to the Gallery of Art -

    Again wonderful - the cafe was a treat with good coffee and folks serving that seemed to have a head on their shoulders - the food court by the Air and Space was a zoo and most of the help if they ever got out of the 7th grade it must have been by way of teachers just handing out passing grades.

    At first I was almost in tears - we entered the old building up the many stairs - behold a retunda but no Calder - with heart in mouth asked and it was in the new, now 25 year old, annex. We toured the Impressionests, walked to the annex and were bowled over - more Calders on exhibit along with Rothko - oh you know the litany - they were all there - the museum itself is a study of lines creating a paradox of repetition, fragmentation and unity.

    Once out of the museum though what a let down - the Mall was a ragged vision of unkempt gardening - comparing it to any park in London or Paris it seemed an embarrassment as 'the' Capitol of the USA the most powerful nation. The only museum where the guards knew what artist was where or even the names of the artists was in the Gallery - they were useless in the Hirshhorn. At least the guards could joke as we shared our purses for examiniation.

    Leaving D.C. was a nightmare - we didn't get on the road unfortunatly till 6:30 - it was bumper to bumper at 35 miles an hour the entire 60 some miles from Ikea to Richmond - along the way we went through an awful thunder storm with drivers scooting between on the wet highway almost causing and eighteen wheeler to turn over. Love/hate with D.C. - some wonders there was no time to see - but expensive and rude and folks that are frankly dumb. Since the hotel was next to the Pentagon there were many confrences with Navy types in the hotel - spit and polish but my oh my the fuss over what your station was within the service - and many from the State Department lunching at the food court all discussing how this one or that was mis-managing the war or a group in Iraq. What a bunch of know it alls - as they say all hat and no cattle or land.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 19, 2003 - 08:11 pm

    Below is a link to the Prelude #21 in B Flat Major, BWV 866, from the Well-Tempered Klavier by Johann Sebastian Bach. Depending on the capacity of your computer, you can hear this music as a midi file or as an mp3 file of Glenn Gould's performance. I saw Glenn Gould in the 60's, an amazing musician, whose renditions of Bach were superlative. He kept his nails very long, though, and their click click click on the keys distracted me.

    I see that Rosalyn Tureck has died at age 88. As a harpsichordist and pianist, she revived Bach's music when interest in it had diminished. I read that at one performance she played all of the Goldberg Variations twice -- first on the harpsichord and then on the piano, an amazing feat.

    There are 48 Preludes and Fugues in the Well-tempered Klavier. What you'll hear by clicking the link below is only a small taste.

    Glenn Gould, Bach Prelude #21, Well-Tempered Klavier

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 19, 2003 - 08:20 pm

    Below is a link to the score of Bach's Prelude and Fugue #21 in the Well-Tempered Klavier. It is the music for what you listened to if you clicked the link posted above. Even if you do not read music, you'll be able to see what Glenn Gould and others like piano tuner, not pianist, Edgar Drake have played. Click the Praeludium XXI in the green section at the left to access this music. Click the Right Arrow at the top right of the page to turn the pages and access the Fugue.

    Score: Bach's Prelude and Fugue #21, Well-Tempered Klavier

    Hats
    July 19, 2003 - 10:42 pm
    I don't think that Drake is physically drugged. I do feel that he is experiencing a sense of not knowing what is happening and why it is happening. On their walk, Khin Myo acts as a translator for the children. She explains some of the religious ideas. She talks about evil spirits or an evil eye, etc. He doesn't understand the customs of this country.

    Secondly, he is captivated by the beauty all around him. He is treated with beauty of the country. He feels the gratification of an exotic woman's touch. The politics is foreign to him. He is a pawn in the hands of Carroll, Nash-Burnham, Khin Myo. He is discombobulated or maybe disoriented. If anything, he needs to be rescued, brought back to himself, and him memories of Katherine.

    I am at the beginning of chapter seventeen.

    Hats
    July 19, 2003 - 11:02 pm
    Hi Barbara,

    I am glad you are back in Saluda and that you had a safe and wonderful trip. I love your quote. It spoke to me.

    "the only order that Drake can depend on is the Erard and his ability to make its sound as clear and tuned as possible-the only order to his life is his memory of London when he writes to Katherine. Erard is lost in a Jackson Pollock painting."

    I think Drakes letters to Katherine are becoming intermittent.

    Hats
    July 19, 2003 - 11:16 pm
    Hi Lorrie, I like the way you describe Drake too. You posted about his "political naivete." I sympathize with Drake. I do not understand politics either. In another country, I might do something pretty dumb causing a political catastrophe.

    Mal, thank you for the musical links.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 20, 2003 - 04:01 am

    Barbara has said "Erard" is lost in a Jackson Pollock painting. Do you mean the piano, or do you mean Drake?

    If you've ever done a drip painting in the way Pollock did, you know that there is nothing random about these paintings. Pollock knew exactly which paint he was going to place in exactly what spot on the canvas. There is deliberate order in his nonrepresentational art.

    I don't think either Drake or the piano is "lost". Did you ever visit a place which you liked so much you didn't want to go home? That's what has happened to Drake. He is not drugged. He has fallen in love with the beauty that is Burma. He has fallen in love with a woman. He has fallen in love with the charm and enticement one finds in a painting by Henri Rousseau.

    The religion of Burma was and is Buddhism, which is not based on the worship of any god, unlike the principal religion of England from which Drake has come.

    At the time of this story, and perhaps even now, Burma was tribal with a separate government on each hill. These governments were not random, any more than the tribal governments in Afghanistan and other Middle Eastern tribal countries are random. They are different from the government of England and the government of the United States.

    The occupying forces try to place their governments, or Western ideas of order, on these existent Eastern tribal governments, which have their own order. That is the situation in Burma at the time of this story, and it is the situation in Afghanistan at this moment in time. What existed in Burma, both governments and lush, jungle environment, may have seemed like chaos to the Westerners who took it over, but it was not chaos at all to the natives of that country, despite skirmishes among those tribes. One has to try to understand Burma with Burmese eyes. Unlike other members of the British forces in this book, Anthony Carroll is able to do this. Drake is not . . . yet.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 20, 2003 - 10:28 am
    Excellent posts here, people! I love the way you are all getting wrapped up in this story, and it's wonderful how this author keeps us all in suspense this long, isn't it?

    Mal, thanks for the music links.

    Barbara, I am exhausted just readomg about your Washington trip, but i am so glad you finally found the kind of museums you like. We all like your reference to a Jackson Pollock painting.

    Hats, you are about to read the passage dealing with the "concert" that Edgar gives for the visiting sawbwa, and I am sure you will enjoy the way Mason depicts this scene as much as we do.

    I still have my doubts about this doctor. I question his real motives for having this piano brought up to his camp----and I am still confused by the enigmatic Khin Myo.
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    In Chapter 18 we read a long-delayed leter to Katherine that Edgar writes, and it is a truly lovely description of the place where he is now living, with not much more in detail. I have been wondering how his poor wife must be worrying about him, that is, if she hasn't heard from the British authorities. I would like to have known more about her reaction to all this, but on thinking about it, the author knew best about keeping that voice in the background.

    Lorrie
  • horselover
    July 20, 2003 - 07:03 pm
    Lorrie, You are right. There is still much confusion about the enigmatic Khin Myo. Is she Carroll's mistress? Is she involved in Shan politics? Does she have political motives of her own? Are her attentions to Edgar genuine, or are they staged by her and the Doctor for reasons of their own? We are left to guess about all this, and hope it will be revealed in the final section.

    I"m glad Edgar finally decided to wash and dress in clean clothes for his performance. For a while I was afraid he would show up in his usual unkempt state (haha).

    As for the letter to Katherine, perhaps it is just as well he does not mail it. If I got such a letter from my husband after a long absence saying he was feeling more incomplete as time goes on, and saying he was waiting for an answer(not from her, but from this exotic place), I would get very worried.

    Once again, this section ends with a suspenseful summons from Doctor Carroll. What does he want that is sooo important?


    MAL, I don't think the paintings of Henri Rousseau represent real nature, lovely though they may be. You are correct about Jackson Pollack--his "drippings" were not random. Have you seen the movie about his life? It was very well done.

    Barbara, I'm sorry you found so much of D.C. crowded. I guess it depends on when you go there. We were there with my daughter, son-in-law, and grandkids during cherry blossom time and had a terrific time--not too crowded anywhere.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 20, 2003 - 08:33 pm

    Horselover, I used the Rousseau painting as an example of the "charm and enticement" of Burma with which Drake is in love that I mentioned in my earlier post. Barbara thought of Pollock in reference to this book. I think of Rousseau and do not agree that either the piano or Drake is lost in a Pollock painting.

    No, I didn't see the movie. In my study of art history I have read a great deal about Pollock. I have seen numerous paintings he has done in various art museums and galleries. There are several of his paintings as image files in my computer which I use to illustrate web pages I build.

    Mal

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 21, 2003 - 01:42 am
    Oh dear - my reference to Pollock is that he painted chaos - his point being that we look more easily at the landmarks and lines and shapes in life that we recognize rather than, the chaos that is life - he may have carefully arranged his lines and spaces but the concept was to arrange chaos - this was a time when artists were aware and creating art using the principles of Factal Geometry, breaking away from formal structure and Eucilian concepts - the old way of seeing - turning to the complexity of natural forms emeshing the viewer in the riot of life by way of fractal images. Philosophicly contemporary artists are focusing on the differences that make us unique which is highlighted in the background noise and views, stripping away all that is familiar.

    Pollock may have planned his every line but he did not create a landscape visually comparing, contrasting, interweaving Euclidian forms as earlier artists but rather, he focused on the question, "Are we in a condition of infinite repetition - infinite self-similarity? Are we searching for order within sameness, order opposing sameness, order within random behavior?"

    horselover sounds like your time in D.C. was pure delight - I bet it has something to do with our timing a trip when children are out of school and therefore more families can make such a trip. My daughter lives in a town of just over 600 and so you can see that for us a couple of hundred in a museum would feel like a crowd.

    Since we both have our feet in the world of art the art museums were a joy where we could pass along our enthusiasm to the boys. My daughter teaches art in the Saluda schools and on Saturdays in Asheville during the winter she teaches a program for UNC. For years my work was shown in a Gallery in both Austin and Santa Fe. I was never one of the greats and chose not to make a living in art when I became my own sole support but my fingers itch and my head was filled with ideas while in D.C. I've been slowly working on a series of hand crafted books, each containing one of my poems, and each like a mini sculpture fitting together into a greater shape.

    But even Calder was working in hidden order, chaos and factals as his mobles show, not only dynamic movement but, the tiniest movement from body heat or the wind from a walking viewer influencing the system. His negative shapes (between the hanging objects) were based in the ancient coil that allows the eye to see eddies and turbulence folding back on itself creating feedback, the key element in transitions from chaos to order.

    Calder's work reminded me of the story teller aboard ship who repeats his journey changing his story for each listener - and how out of place both the Erard and Drake seem in Burma as they both represent structure, recognizable form, recognizable western behavior. The questions we have are not so much about Drake but about the motives and alliances of the other characters. Tuning, playing, transporting the Erard, like Calder shapes in a moble, keep re-appearing holding the story together as the Calder shapes hold the negative space together.

    Hats
    July 21, 2003 - 02:26 am
    I think Drake's letter to Katherine is so poignant and moving. With all of the unknowns in this country, I felt afraid for Drake. Now I do not have that feeling. After reading Drakes letter to Katherine, I have come to know his thoughts. He is not a stupid man.

    He chooses the Bach Fugue because of the mathematical pattern. He knows that everyone can identify a beat or rhythm. This is universal.

    He is aware of the beauty of this country. He contrasts England's rain with the monsoon in Burma. So, he is observant. He is a man of music. He is also a poet. I feel as though this country has awakened his senses. In England, he was half asleep. He does admit to Katherine that he had been feeling an emptiness.

    "I could write for pages only about the rain, the way it falls, the different sizes of the drops and how they feel on your face, its taste and smell, its sound. Indeed, I could write for pages only on its sound, on thatch, on leaves, on tin, on willow."

    He knows about his time loss. He explains it too. Drake feels that the way he rules time has been changed in this country. His awareness of time will come back once he is filled and the emptiness is gone.

    I wondered would his love for Katherine just pass away. In this letter, I feel that his love for Katherine remains strong. He wishes deeply that she could experience all that he has experienced.

    So, I see Drake as a thinker. He is a piano tuner, and after reading about the time it takes to tune a piano and the method, I feel that only a man with an intelligent mind could do such work.

    I am afraid of Khin Myo's motivations. I hope he is strong enough not to be overcome by her wiles. Everytime Khin Myo comes near him, I feel tense and afraid for his future.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 21, 2003 - 06:07 am

    In the beginning of the book there is a quote by Plutarch:- "Music, to create harmony, must investigate discord." As my scientist ( inorganic chemist-physicist ) husband used to tell me when I was married, "There is order in chaos."

    BARBARA, I understood your post about Euclidian geometry and order and chaos. Did you know that Duchamp dubbed Calder's work "mobiles"? Have you ever seen the Calder Circus? A diorama, this work is full of moving figures Calder made with wire and motorized so they would move.

    I'm always so pleased when I hear of young people working in the arts. Your daughter teaches art in Saluda and at UNC Asheville. My daughter is web content manager for the Fuqua Business School at Duke. Graphics she makes for web pages she builds are certainly fractal. Have you tried computer painting or designing, BARBARA? It can be a lot of fun.

    You're right, HATS. The Bach Fugues are written to very precise rules, which I've mentioned before. Edgar Drake considers himself not to be a pianist, but he plays Bach Preludes and Fugues which often can be difficult for many well-trained pianists. Of course, the methods Drake uses to tune pianos are based on laws of physics. Sometime hold one key of a piano down and listen for the number of beats you can hear. These are part of the harmonics of sound. Another fun experiment is to listen for the tone of the sixty cycle hum your refrigerator (or air conditioner or fan) makes and count those beats, too. There is music everywhere, even in the jungle. Drake's ear was so "tuned" that he could hear music in everything. So can I, and believe me, if you concentrate on it long enough, it can drive you a little whacky. If you ever meet up with a tuning fork, stike it on a table and put it to your ear. Then you'll hear the harmonics I mention very clearly.

    It's interesting that Mason describes Khin Myo on Page 236 in exactly the same way the woman is described at the beginning of the book:- Parasol, red silk hta main, the mirage of the road.

    Have we talked about Drake's bout with malaria? I thought that part was beautifully written. He feels hot; the air is stifling, and he leaves his bed and goes outside to the river. He sees the two young lovers. It is that scene which reminded me of Rousseau.

    I think the Surgeon Major uses Drake as a pawn. Khin Myo is part of the chess game Anthony Carroll is playing. The Queen to catch the Pawn?

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 21, 2003 - 01:44 pm
    Have you all noticed how the author ends so many chapters with a really suspenseful note? I’ve gotten so now I look for these cliff-hangers! Like here at the end of Chapter 18: "Mr. Drake! Dr. Carroll sent me to find you. Please come. And hurry. He says it is important."

    Lorrie

    horselover
    July 21, 2003 - 05:41 pm
    The first clear indication that Edgar is becoming entranced with the youth and beauty of Khin Myo is when she says Katherine "must be beautiful." And Edgar replies, somewhat bewildered, "Beautiful...She is...although we are not young. She was very beautiful..." Wasn't it one of our past Presidents who equated lust in the heart with infidelity? If that is true, Edgar is already unfaithful in his heart. Then, of course, there is the sensual scene in the pouring rain when Khin Myo's body is revealed through the translucent cloth of her blouse. Edgar watches her with longing and wonders if she feels the same. The moment passes without the usual movie moment of passion, but Edgar is no longer the faithful English husband. He has heard the siren call of youth.

    Con men always say that you can't con someone who doesn't want to be conned. I think Carroll has Edgar pretty well figured out. As MAL said, "the Surgeon Major uses Drake as a pawn. Khin Myo is part of the chess game Anthony Carroll is playing."

    Lorrie
    July 21, 2003 - 05:50 pm
    Music occurs throughout The Piano Tuner, from the hauntingly beautiful song the Man with One Story hears in the desert, to the love ditty Anthony Carroll plays on a flute to fend off attackers in the jungle, to the Bach fugue Edgar plays for the sawbwa, to the call of insects scraping their wings in the jungle.

    I must admit that I had not thought that music would play such a strong part in this novel. Oh, I know it's about a piano and the tuner who travels to Burma to fix it, but I hadn't really thought that music, per se, would be so important in the story. Did you?

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 22, 2003 - 07:30 am

    Thoughts about another woman and feelings of physical attraction are infidelity only when they're acted on. The only thing Edgar Drake acts on is the Erard piano. Pianos, and especially Carroll's, are more of a threat to Drake's and Katherine's marriage than Khin Myo or anything else.





    There are several themes in this book. Music is perhaps the primary one, just as George posted some time ago: "This book is about music." The Shans, their business alliance with France and the war they've declared on the British who need them on their side if they are to maintain the Eastern border of Burma and protect it from France, are another strong theme.

    The bandit, Twet Nga Lu, is a real threat to the British, and his name appears often in this book. Twet Nga Lu's part in this story is another theme.

    Anthony Carroll seems to be the principal liaison the British have between its interests in Burma and the Shans. Carroll and Khin Myo (whose role in this story cannot yet be determined) are a very strong theme.

    We have here multiple themes weaving in and out and around each other -- sometimes causing harmony when they meet, sometimes causing discord -- just like the melodic themes of a Fugue.

    Mal

    annafair
    July 22, 2003 - 12:38 pm
    I enjoy them as much as the story itself. Lorrie from the first passage at the end of a chapter...I have felt whatever this story is about , wherever it ends it is a doomed story. I cant explain that it is just the way I have felt. Having lived on Okinawa and was adventuresome enough to get off the main road and travel on the back roads where the people lived I can feel a little bit of what Drake feels. How different the people look, and the clothes are different. The lushness of the landscape and the danger there. We drove on mountain roads so narrow there was barely room for one car..( we bought a small Japanese car while there and sold it before we left)No guard rail and I was on the passenger side and realized if we went over we might never be found. The chasm there was deep and the jungle overgrown and dark. Yet when I drove to the commissary about 10 miles down the main road I took a back road to get to the main one...I drove through sugar cane fields with their plumes dancing in the wind..and when I came to the crest where I would descend to the main road I always stopped and looked down to the shore and out to the East China Sea...near the shore it was turquoise and citrine and peridot and just beyong lapis lazuli of the ocean itself with pearl waves washing land...the shore was a danger spot since it would hold little hollows of water with alive cone shells, beautiful and very deadly, and if you scratched yourself on coral you would get an infection that was hard to treat. The outdoor shopping area in town was a labryinth of tiny shops and exotic produce and things. Everything about it was constantly changing ..the colors, the sights, the clouds and the ocean....it is a heady place for somone who grew up in a rather strait laced community. With stone and brick buildings and permanence ...here you knew a typhoon could blow it all away..and I lived through several one the 4th worse they ever had..I feel I am with Drake, seeing and feeling things he never expected ...he is caught in a web and I think he feels he may never find his way out or even want to. I love this book...I think the author is uncommonly talented...anna

    Lorrie
    July 22, 2003 - 09:14 pm
    Hi, Everybody! I hope you are all back online and rarin to go after having had problems with the website here.

    We are now going into the 19th chapter and since this is the last of the chapters, the rest of the time allotted here can be spent in general discussion, as well. What I'm saying is feel free to discuss anything that comes up now in the book, we donn't have to worry about giving anything away.

    Anna, the comparison between the way you felt in Okinawa, and the way the author describes's Drake's feelings is very similar. As I read on, I began to get a terrible sense of impending doom, as you suggest, and I simply couldn't believe in Edgar's actions. He seemed to get more and more erratic, or does anyone else see this?

    Lorrie

    Lorrie
    July 23, 2003 - 11:19 am
    has everyone been locked out of this discussion? Please, report in if you are able to get through.

    Lorrie

    annafair
    July 23, 2003 - 12:36 pm
    Was locked out then was able to access re my last post and then I couldnt get back ...just tried it with my toes crossed ..after all I need my fingers to type and here I AM! HOORAY...when I cant get to the discussions I feel DEPRIVED! looking forward to everyone's posts...anna

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 23, 2003 - 02:56 pm

    I'm here, LORRIE. I've had no problem with SeniorNet. Had to go to the doctor about the Cellulitis condition I have in my polio-affected leg this morning. I've been trying to get my head back together ever since. Perhaps later tonight I'll have something to post about the final chapters of this book.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 23, 2003 - 03:23 pm
    Okay, Mal and Anna, that's two accounted for.

    We'll be talking about the ending of this book in these next few posts, up until the end of the month, anyway. Right now all I can say is I am totally confused over the machinations of our Doctor Carroll, and I wonder if we will ever completely understand his purpose. Even after being thrown into the guard house, Edgar seems unflinching in his loyalty to this man. Is it misguided?

    The scenes of the beautiful grand piano drifting down the turbulent river in a pouring rain, lashed to a raft, and the keys, ruffled by a raging wind, making musical sounds all the way, are indeed vivid and really imaginative. Another example of how music is again mentioned in this book.

    Lorrie

    Are you catching up, yet, Hats? And you, Horselover? And I do hope the leg gets better, Mal!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 23, 2003 - 04:30 pm
    catching up - just got home - will have time to share later.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 23, 2003 - 06:36 pm

    As I said before, there are all kinds of themes twisting around each other, in and out, in this book. It is the kind of book in which it is important to remember what has come in the beginning. In order to understand Anthony Carroll's motives, it's necessary to look at the role he's played with the Shans in the past.

    The brigand ex-priest, Twet Nga Lu, is the de facto ruler of Mongnai. (Page 75). To make that position more secure, he marries the widow of the sawbwa's brother. Twet Nga Lu ruled until 1886 when Limbin forces reclaim much of their land, and Twet has to retreat. There is a feud between Twet Nga Lu and the sawbwa of Mongnai. Until the feud is resolved, Carroll cannot instigate a treaty with the Limbin Confederacy, which has declared war on the British.

    In Chapter 18 Edgar Drake plays preludes and fugues from Bach's Well-Tempered Klavier for a man who is introduced as the prince of Mongnai (sawbwa) and the Blue Monk who has accompanied him. I believe in order for Carroll to negiotiate a treaty with the Confederacy, he must form an alliance between the sawbwa of Mongnai and Twet Nga Lu. Drake is told that the Mongnai sawbwa is a musician. It seems to me that Drake's piano playing is part of the negotiating.

    Because Carroll treated Twet Nga Lu for a snake bite and showed him microbes in a slide of water under a microscope, Twet Nga Lu thinks Carroll has some kind of magical vision. Carroll still does not trust him. He asks Drake to pose as Lieutenant Colonel Daly, representative of Mr. Hildebrand, Superintendant of the Shan States, at a meeting in Mongpu between Twet Nga Lu and the Mongnai sawbwa. When Drake refuses on matters of principle, Carroll reminds him that he has defied the British by coming to Mae Lwin, that he is already "considered missing" and is perhaps "under suspicion." On Page 264 Carroll tells Drake, "You can't turn back now. And I know as well as you do that you do not want to return to Mandalay." In other words, "I'm making you an offer you can't refuse."

    It occurs to me that it's possible Carroll has laid the foundation for a briliant ploy here. Carroll is associated with a piano. Does he play it when there are guests? No. Who does? Edgar Drake. Now Drake is to masquerade as a British officer. The situation Drake and Carroll are going into is extremely dangerous. What better way could there be to set up a scapegoat, a front, a shield which might be hit by some enemy rather than the Surgeon General?

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 23, 2003 - 06:52 pm

    LORRIE, I think if I were in the "damned if you do and damned if you don't" position Edgar Drake is in, I'd act erratically, too.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 23, 2003 - 10:15 pm
    Like Barbara, I have to catch up.

    Hats
    July 23, 2003 - 10:36 pm
    Lorrie, I have been locked out. I am back now. I took the time to finish the book. I could not stop reading. I wanted very badly to see what would happen in the end.

    Anna, When I can't see computer posts, I feel "deprived" too. Your posts helped me to see the overwhelming beauty and the hidden dangers a person experiences in a foreign country.

    The ending shocked me. I knew Drake would never leave Burma. I knew not to trust Khin Myo. Carroll's actions surprised or shocked me. Basically, Carroll used Drake's love of music for his political agenda. Poor Drake did not realize how much trouble he was involved in. Like someone else said, Drake remained loyal to Carroll until his death.

    I felt that the British government should have done some kind of investigation about Drake. Drake was a "scapegoat." He paid for everyone elses political sins. Drake was caught in the middle. He had no other agenda but to do a job. In the beginning, it was learned that he could care less about politics. He died for all the wrong reasons.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 24, 2003 - 06:16 am

    Edgar Drake sealed his fate the minute he left the shelter and protection of the British and went to Mae Lwin with Khin Myo and Anthony Carroll's messenger.

    Naive and gullible, all he could think of was the Erard piano. He didn't consider the fact that by leaving Mandalay without the permission of the British forces, he would become, in essence, a man without a country.

    Interesting, isn't it, that the Bandit Chief, Twet Nga Lu, recognizes Drake at the meeting in Mongpu. Was Twet Nga Lu the Blue Monk for whom Drake played Bach Fugues at Mae Lwin?

    Drake sees in Twet Nga Lu the same confidence and elusiveness that he sees in Anthony Carroll. Elusiveness connotes to me a kind of slippery person who is hard to pin down and understand. The word is well used here.

    By taking Drake to this meeting in Mongpu, Carroll has exposed him to the enemy. He is no longer the more or less invisible stranger no one knows or can recognize. Whether Carroll had it in mind or not, it's as if he's saying, "Okay, folks, here is your target."

    He increases this further by telling Drake he must accompany the Erard out of Mae Lwin when attack on the fort seems inevitable. Drake is thoroughly infatuated with Khin Myo by now. He tells her he came to Mae Lwin for her. She says, "You came here for something else." What is that "something else"?

    The story about the leip-bya or moth on Pages 289 and 290 is interesting because it is so similar to the story told by the boy in India. There's been a prediction of Edgar Drake's death practically since the book began.

    Drake is arrested by the British. Naive as he is, I'm sure he doesn't undertand why his country, as represented by the British forces, has turned against him.

    He's astounded when he's told that Anthony Carroll is a spy and a traitor to the Crown. Nash Burnham comes in and tells Drake that a letter from Carroll which contained formulas, presumably for medicine, and Burmese music, has been interpreted to be espionage in the form of a covert communication. The web of themes in this book draws tighter around Edgar Drake.

    Drake knows the accusations are not true, especially the one about Carroll's making an alliance with the Limbin Confederacy to repel British forces from Yawnghwe and re-establish Shan automony. He was there at the meeting in Mongpu, and he knows what really happened. Nash Burnham tells Drake British forces have destroyed Mae Lwin.

    Later Nash-Burnham tells Drake he's to help the British capture Anthony Carroll. He also says all of Drake's letters to Katherine are in the hands of the British and that Carroll is a French spy who has been aspiring to build his own kingdom in Burma. Finally, he tells Drake the door is open, giving him the opportunity to escape. I think the British did this because they thought Drake would lead them to Carroll.

    Drake flees, heading for Mae Lwin. Then he remembers the piano. At considerable risk, he goes to the river and frees the piano. What a symbolic gesture this is!

    Drake runs, and in the afternoon he sees or thinks he sees a woman with a parasol in the distance. He thinks of Katherine and the first time he took her hand and they walked in Regent's Park. Before she leaves she says, "My parents are waiting, I will meet you soon", and disappears carrying a white parasol. Has Drake been confusing Khin Myo and her parasol with the young Katherine and hers? How sad this is.

    Drake is shot after someone shouts "Halt." He is killed by one of his own countrymen. If he had continued on, it's possible he would have been killed by the Shans.

    An innocent man is caught right in the middle of what seems like incredible intrique. Even sadder is this.

    Mal

    annafair
    July 24, 2003 - 06:52 am
    In the beginning when the author hinted Drake would disappear I felt he would be in great danger and might not survive. So while the ending didnt surprise me I felt a great sense of loss. Drake was an honorable man and I feel his death was so sad. And to find out his letters home had never reached his wife must have left him desolate.

    Katharine who was so proud of his serving the Crown will now be told he was a traitor..she has no letters to comfort her and what can she tell her friends?

    It was a great read even if I longed for the ending to be different. To me it shows the difference between imperilistic thinking and people who just want to live a good and life. Enjoying life and work and family.

    The history of the area and the descriptions of the country and its customs were worth all of my time. Including all the sage and interesting posts..the links provided were wonderful and thanks to all who gave us that bit of extra information. anna

    Lorrie
    July 24, 2003 - 09:33 am
    "He died for all the wrong reasons."..............Hats, you put it so succinctly. The whole question of politics held little interest for Drake, but his obsession (?) with Carroll and the woman did.

    this was a strange ending. It brought up vivid imaginative scenes such as Drake's escape from prison, the way the rainstorm affected the fate of the beautiful piano, and finally, Drake's tragic attempt to go back to Mae Lwin, which ended in his death.

    What significance do you see in the mirage of the woman with a parasol that Drake sees, as he lay dying? This figure of a woman and parasol are mentioned frequently in this book.

    Anna: You see, your intuition was correct. You sensed a feeling of tragedy at the end all along.

    Incidentally, in my opinion, those very last two paragraphs that Mason wrote are simply breathtaking in their beauty.

    Lorrie

    Traude S
    July 24, 2003 - 03:00 pm
    Dear Reader Friends,

    I have followed you at considerable distance, but follow I did, and read as much as I could while still engaged in Dante's Inferno (which, by the way, was ICY. Yes indeed.) Sometimes I find it hard to "serve two masters".

    Whenever I looked at the book jacket of The Piano Tunner, which was often, I was amazed by the author's face and his obvious youth - shall we say 'tender years' ?.The depth of his feelings and his talent are unmistakably 'all there', and I am certain this is not the last we've heard from Daniel Mason.

    It would be interesting to see what you ultimately made of Anthony Carroll (whom Burnham also suspected of being a spy for the Russians);after all, you lived with this book for 4 weeks.



    Were Carroll's intentions 'honorable', were they patriotic ? Can the reader know what they were ?

    He clearly had the propensity to manipulate and control (a born leader, would you say ???) But wasn't he a Lotus Eater himself ???

    Drake admires Carroll and defends his actions to the bloody end. But is Carroll deserving of admiration ? Whose side was he REALLY on ? Did he have his own agenda ? And what was it ? Is there a hero in this story and who is it ?

    Has your extensive research into the Burmese culture of the era, the 19th century, shed any light on the historical events to see how close the author's narrative is to what actually happened ? Surely it cannot ALL be invention.

    What do you think is the theme (the lesson, if you will) of this book? Peace through the universal language of music? Isn't there more ???

    Lorrie
    July 24, 2003 - 03:36 pm
    There have been several references to "Lotus Eaters" in this book, and on page 310 Drake reads the note that Carroll had given him, a page torn from Caroll's copy of The Odyssey with underlined lines:

    "My men went on and presently met the Lotus-Eater, nor did these Lotus-Eaters have any thoughts of destroying our companions, but they only gave them lotus to taste of. But any of them who ate the honey-sweet fruit of lotus was unwilling to take any message back, or to go away, but they wanted to stay there with the lotus-eating people, feeding on lotus, and forget the way home."
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    Traude, your questions are very provocative!

    Lorrie
  • Hats
    July 24, 2003 - 03:58 pm
    Hi Lorrie and Traude,

    Daniel Mason is a wonderful writer. I have been thinking of Drake.Is it possible that Drake should have taken more responsibility for his actions? Not caring about political situations in your own country or a foreign country that you must visit can only lead to turmoil.

    I am reminded of the shooting that took place in the New York City Hall. One reporter commented that some people are totally oblivious to the chaos around them. Their families, their job, their little circle is all that matters. Will the subway be on time? That is all that matters. While others are totally involved in the political arena.

    Drake discovered, too late, that no man can live on an island. Drake's isolationist thoughts led to his death.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 24, 2003 - 04:49 pm

    We all have our own worlds. Edgar Drake's world was pianos. He was obsessed with mending the Erard piano, which was dying in the jungle. Once he decided to do this, he would not be satisfied until he had accomplished the task. It was especially important because it was the command of the Queen that he take this project.

    Drake might not have been interested in politics, but he was loyal to England and its queen. His responsibility was to the piano, and it was to the queen. He was in a completely strange country about which he knew nothing. He had to be dependent on others to lead him while he was there.

    If you've travelled to other countries where the culture and language are new to you and relatively unknown, you've had a similar experience. I was very much on my own on my one trip to five countries in Europe, since my husband was working day and night. I could not have managed as well as I did without the "kindness of strangers."

    Some strangers are trustworthy; some are not. Drake trusted Anthony Carroll even before he met him. Since it was Carroll's piano he was to repair and tune, in his mind he had no choice except to go where it was, even if it meant going against the wishes of the British occupying forces.



    Anthony Carroll was not a traitor. He used unorthodox methods to try and achieve what the British forces could not, and he was as obsessed with his goal of achieving peace without bloodshed as Drake was with tuning Carroll's piano. He was the only British person who could have done this because he was the only Englishman who had any sort of understanding of the Shan and the Burmese. He also understood the British occupying forces.

    Carroll had reason to be a lotus eater. He had lost his entire family and had nothing in England to lure him back. Drake's reasons for going back to England diminished because I sincerely believe he became infatuated with Khin Myo, since she and her parasol reminded him of his wife when she was a very young woman. Khin Myo restored in him feelings he had as a youth, and he was loathe to let them go.

    Carroll was much wiser and more experienced than Drake and saw what was happening to him. He used the vulnerability Drake's reawakened feelings created to further his cause of peace.

    Mal

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 24, 2003 - 06:54 pm
    Just a quickie tonight - I loved the ending - Edgar and the Erard going down the river - the story reminded me of my own life - How when I started off as a young women I never in a thousand years could have expected my life to unfold as it has - I've been awed, transported and lived in different surroundings, been betrayed, did a job well, had a passion for childbearing and rearing as Edgar had a passion for assuring an Erard or any piano was well tuned, I had opportunities to further my life experiences and in the end, the float down the river will be me and my passion, my relationship with my children and grandboys, where as all the experiences of life got me to this river. Some experiences where beyond my ability to understand, some brought me loss, some brought me great pain and other experiences opened my heart and eyes in ways I never dreamed.

    Hats
    July 25, 2003 - 01:03 am
    The woman's face is not seen. She carries a red parasol. This reminds me of the UNFORSEEN multilayers of Burma. The hot sun itself burns a traveller's eyes and keeps him from seeing the cultural differences. This causes a rush to judgment about the people and the country. A mirage gives the appearance that their is water in the road, but there is no water there. A mirage gives a false picture causing deception. All of these are dangers. The RED parasol typifies danger, I think.

    I think Daniel Mason's book is a warning. Remaining blind can only lead to pain and sorrow.Blindness, naivete can lead to horrible experiences. With knowledge, there is the chance to contend with beliefs that are different from ours.

    Drake was obsessed with the piano tuning. Carroll was obsessed with peace and the general welfare of the people. Each man missed hearing and seeing any idea outside of their own idea. Neither man was a hero. Each man chose to step outside of the boundaries given by their government. Can you really do that and succeed? Of course, the British had their own agenda too.

    Traude asks who is the hero in the book. I think it is the Shan people. They are grabbed from every side but they are able to hold on and survive.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 25, 2003 - 04:54 am

    I don't see any profound message in this book. I see an extremely well-written and researched good story, which contains some historical facts about a real place. The novel itself has an impossible plot which Mason's skill has made quite believable.

    My sympathies were with Edgar Drake, though there were times when I thought he was so stupid that I wanted to shake him. How could anyone be that naive and romantic and so careless about self-protection and survival?

    In the author's note at the back of the book Mason tells us which characters are real. Twet Nga Lu, the Bandit Prince, was very real, as were others. The Limbin Confederacy, the revolt of the Shans and their eventual submission to the British were real. You'll read in his notes at the end about the sound of an out-of-tune piano, whether recorded or real, which Mason heard while journeying north to the town of Mae Sam Laep on the Salween River.

    This author has done his job well. It's interesting to note that he begins and ends this novel with the same theme, just like the Bach Fugues Edgar Drake plays in it. As a musician I am very appreciative of this writer's accuracy when he describes the structure and sound of music and the playing of it and the tuning of the piano. I suspect that his descriptions of the Burmese landscape are very accurate, too. Mason's scientific and medical training have served him well in this consistent, precise detailing.

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 26, 2003 - 07:49 am
    One of the things I enjoyed immensely in this book was the shared adventure of Drake's travels all the way from Great Britain. It is very easy to become satiated with the colors, the tastes, and the fragrances of faraway places. It's a lyrical account that draws us into the story as we travel across Europe, the Red Sea, India and finally, the Burmese jungle and villages.

    I was especially impressed with Mason's acount of Burmese pwe----street theater. Fascinating. I wonder if this is still a commonplace sight.

    Lorrie

    P.s. How does one make an accent grave sign on the keyboard?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 26, 2003 - 10:39 am
    Lorrie I use my Mac more than my PC and on my Mac I have a Key Pad I can pull down that allows me to copy all sorts of additional signs from grave accents to umlauts. I am not as adept with the PC to know how it is done but it seems to me there are a combination of letters and numbers, (HTML) that give instructions for each vowel that is accented. I think either Jane or Pat may know that one.

    I've been mulling over what Hats shared how each was protecting or focused on their own interests without engaging in the interests of each other except for what it could do to bring about what each believed was important.

    Pondering - I am wondering if that is not such a bad thing but only a fact - Yes, to have a common outlook is valuable and within a common outlook if each is recognized as a contributor there is individual value - but now I am wondering - that would mean we share a common philosophy and ultimately a common religion. If a government or politics is only the extension of how a people are organized and a common philosophy would bring about peace, offering them their greatest safety, it flays in the face of celebrating differences.

    My mind reels with questions --
    Why do we try to create our own little worlds so we have the illusion of being completely in control of our entire existence, when we know with absolute certainty that we are not.

    Why do we go on and on about individuality being the very essence of who we are, then desire and accept a level of conformity in virtually every facet of our lives.

    Why do we get so hung up on what we don't agree on, when in fact it's our differences that make life interesting allowing creativity.

    Why do we feel drawn together as a species, yet we steadily build up defensive barriers around our inner most feelings and beliefs so we can never be truly close to anyone.

    I am as guilty as the next one of wanting to view a world to suit my own little plans rather than seeing life as a journey into the unknown - a journey where I rub against many views or philosophies of life that are played out in various social interaction - And to take a journey into various cultures I only feel safe in a museum or art gallery and sometimes in an ethnic restaurant. Even my travels have only been to Europe and Mexico, cultures that surround me each day. And yet, currently the amount of Asian culture that is in this town represents a huge percentage - we may have 38% Mexican and climbing but we now have 10% Asian who are not too far behind the percent of Black families which is slipping and now at only 12% -

    I still to this day only have a few sentences in Spanish, I have never shared in the celebration of Juneteenth Day, I know no Chinese words although, I use the Chinese Medical center for acupuncture and my prescription of herbs. We have a growing Indian population as well as one Muslim church that I know nothing about - I still have never attended a service in a synagogue either - here I have all this culture surrounding me and I stay isolated to what I know.

    I think it is all too easy for us to imagine we are desiring good changes, that will benefit people, by looking at all people from our own perspective, which is I think Hats' point. And yet, it is the very differences, the diversity within ourselves and among people that allows the creative spark - hmmm maybe our wish for peace is really a wish for security which is the damper to diversity.

    How we celebrate diversity could be an issue since there are other factors like greed, selfishness, obsessive need for power - seems to me these are the factors that are basic to the tug of war between people and combat between governments. Whew now my mind is in a whirl because I think of nature when animals or plants do not have a natural enemy they take over the landscape - Ah enough wondering - another day.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 26, 2003 - 03:02 pm

    Interesting, thoughtful post, BARBARA. HATS mentioned the shooting in City Hall in New York. That was the last place anyone would expect anything like that to happen, since City Hall is one of the most heavily guarded and protected places in the city. It's very hard for people to go around all the time expecting the unexpected and an exception, which that incident was. If people do this, they could end up with a serious case of paranoia.

    People also can really only focus well on one thing at a time. Most human minds are unable to see the whole picture of the world. We see our nation, which is huge and different state by state. We see our city, if we live in one, which is large or small. A city like New York breaks up into neighborhoods. There's just so far you can walk, and very, very few people drive in that city.

    Other cities and towns break up into neighborhoods, too. We relate to our own neighborhood, our church, mosque or synagogue, our jobs, the people we know. If we are near a great many cultures, they are part of our world. If we are not, they are not, either, except through what we read and what we see on TV.

    I was fortunate enough to grow up in a small city in New England which contained many, many different ethnic groups, cultures, languages and nationalities. There were very rich people, and there were very poor people and everything in between. All of us kids were exposed to all of these things the minute we went to school. Differences in status and background were normal to us. We didn't pay any attention to them because we were all kids in school focusing on the same things.

    I have lived in much more homogenous places and have read about more. The homogeneity surprised me because I had clung to the belief that most places in the United States were like the one I had come from, and they're not.

    I was also fortunate to have been raised in a very liberal church and religion where we studied not just Christianity, but many other religions; where the minister of the church swapped pulpits with a rabbi in town; where the all-Black church, just across from the back door of the one I went to, and mine shared their services and people mingled together in a social way. As I said before, differences did not seem like what others call real differences to me.

    I struggled with Catholicism until I went to mass with some of my friends. I read the Catechism; I read the Torah. All of this happened to me at an early age. At age 18 I was a scholarship student in a college where I studied world religions, including Eastern religions, and ancient history and went on with the study of foreign languages and cultures I had started to learn at age 14 in high school. Not everyone has this advantage.

    As a child I also lived in a household where the people who raised me were very, very prejudiced, something I couldn't understand because it went against everything that was taught in our church. Rebellious even as a fairly young kid, I did everything I could to find out about the people and groups my aunt and uncle appeared to hate.

    I was born poor, so couldn't stand discrimination against the poor because that was discrimination against my mother. I was born white. My mother's best friend was an African American woman. I couldn't stand discrimination against Blacks because that was a slap against my mother and her friend, who was also my friend.

    As an adult I have lived in one room and wondered where I'd ever find the money to pay the rent, much less buy food. I have lived in a ten room house on four acres of land in a very rich community, a homogeneous one like what I mentioned. I have stood in line to get food stamps, and I have dined on foie gras and chateaubriand in elegant restaurants. I've lived in and seen more of the social spectrum than most people ever experience in their lives, and it has affected me, the way I think and what I believe.

    HATS used the word "isolationist" in reference to Edgar Drake, and I had to think about that for a long time. As a native of Victorian England, his views had been narrow until he went to Burma. I don't think he closed his eyes to anything he saw in that country, so can't call him an isolationist. The British who were members of and responsible for the occupying forces were much more isolationist than he, in my opinion.

    I can't answer any of your questions, BARBARA. These are some of the thoughts they stimulated.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 26, 2003 - 04:59 pm
    I called Drake an isolationist because he did not open his mind to read the material given to him by the British gov't. Not reading those valuable papers about the situations in Burma only made him more vulnerable to Carroll's thoughts. Drake simply didn't know what was going on.

    If President Bush asked one of us to visit Liberia or Iran, I think we would read the materials given to us. What are the people like? Do they worship monotheism or polytheism? Is it a dictatorship? If we don't read those official paper, I feel we would be doomed to the hazards of that country or to others who would seek to use us for war or for peace.

    Hats
    July 27, 2003 - 07:18 am
    For the first time, I am playing on a laptop. It does not belong to me. It belongs to my son.

    I will come back later for more comments on the story. I am still pondering Barbara's comments. Barbara, you gave me a lot to think over.

    I find Carroll harder to understand than Drake. To my understanding, Carroll was working toward peace. In the process of working toward peace, he used anyone or any means at his disposal. Still, he destroyed the life of an innocent man. That man being Drake. Can we go too far in working for peace, the peace that we want? I am thinking of suicide bombers?

    Traude S
    July 27, 2003 - 09:40 am
    BARBARA, You certainly had a whirlwind of a vacation and many new experiences with your daughter and grands! Welcome back!

    LORRIE and BARBARA, a specific system for P.C.s to produce diacritical marks is available in seniornet.org, I'm certain.

    MAC owners should be aware of the availability of an ingenious program called PopChar, which is simplicity itself. Its inventor, an Austrian professor at the University of Linz, initially allowed downloading free of charge, requesting simply an acknowledgement as a courtesy. Nice man.

    The system is indispensable in Europe, and marketing the product has made inroads in this country as well. The service is, alas, no longer free, but for users who regularly correspond in foreign languages the fee is well worth it. The system is periodically updated (for free), the latest version is PopChar X, and e-mail assistance, if needed, is given promptly and competently.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 27, 2003 - 10:04 am
    Click START, lower left on your monitor screen. Click PROGRAMS. Click ACCESSORIES on the menu that comes up. Then click SYSTEM TOOLS, and finally click CHARACTER MAP. You'll find the number code for all the accent marks there.

    Mal

    Traude S
    July 27, 2003 - 11:18 am
    BARBARA, you raised potent questions; answers may not immediately spring to mind but it may well be worth our while to reflect on them- individually of course.

    I believe our past is our own personal, inescapable blue print : it molded us, influenced our first, and subsequent, perceptions and still lingers in the deep recesses of our subconscious.

    But isn't it important that we learn from hurts, losses, disappointments, ups and downs, and that we grow in understanding others and most especially ourselves ? Our reactions, contributions (and I don't mean financial ones) ? Our uniqueness, capacity for love of any man ? It occurs to me that what we may long for most of all in this transitory life is security , however we define it.

    Understanding others, literally and figuratively, has been my goal in life and my profession: hence the need to mediate, to break down personal barriers, to show tolerance by example, and to promote contention-free civil discourse. It has not been easy but I am still at it.

    Back to our book in a minute.

    Lorrie
    July 27, 2003 - 05:18 pm
    Thanks, Mal, I found the character map, but where are those little accent grave marks?

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 27, 2003 - 06:47 pm

    LORRIE, when you're in the character map, click the letter you want the accent mark on. A small window will come up with some numbers. Write the numbers down. Click the place on your text where you want the letter. Put the number lock on on the number pad on the right of your keyboard, then hold down Alt and punch in the numbers on the number pad. Here's an example:

    Cliché

    I typed Clich, then held down Alt and typed in 0233. What I got was Cliché.

    e grave is Alt0232.

    è

    Mal

    Lorrie
    July 27, 2003 - 07:09 pm
    Thank you, Mal. I always appreciate the simplified way you explain things relating to these computers. I will copy and paste these instructions for future use.

    To get back to our book:

    Everyone seems to have a different take on this enigmatic character, Dr. Carroll. After going back and reading about his remarks while showing Drake through his domain, I got the impression he genuinely cared for these people, and it wouldn't surprise me if his plans included setting himself up in his own little dynasty?

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 27, 2003 - 08:46 pm
    I think Carroll genuinely cared for the Shan people too. In some way though, I feel that he caused Drake's death. Carroll did not tell Drake all of his plans, did he?

    I think both Drake and Carroll were good men. I can't put my finger on what I want to say. I feel sorry for Drake because he did not know why he lost his life. Carroll did not reveal his plans to him. Drake really thought his job was just to repair the Erard piano. Really, it was far more than that. It seems, to me, that Carroll's altruism became frightening.

    Lorrie, I think Carroll wanted his own kingdom too. Carroll, I think, loved the Shan people. I don't think that he believed that the British had the Shan's best interests at heart.

    In some small way had Carroll become a dictator himself? Why didn't he share his plans with Drake? Then again, would Drake have taken an interest in any political ideas? Drake's interests had moved from the Erard to Khin Myo. His thoughts, I think, never moved to politics, the welfare of the people.

    Drake loved the country for its exotic flavor and for its beauty, nothing else.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 27, 2003 - 09:21 pm

    Maybe we want too much. How long was Drake in Burma? A month? At least a week of that was spent in Mandalay. It seems to me that Edgar Drake didn't have much time to investigate the politics, culture and people of Burma. He was at first too busy doing a job for Anthony Carroll; then obeying other requests from him.

    I don't think we're supposed to know too much about Carroll. I think Mason's intent was to leave us with questions about him. He was as inscrutable as the East where he lived. Over a period of years he had fathomed that Eastern inscrutability and understood it. In the short length of time Edgar Drake was there, it was not possible that he could.

    I see Western and Eastern minds at work and the usual clash between Western and Eastern cultures here.

    Mal

    Hats
    July 27, 2003 - 09:32 pm
    Mal, I think your right. Edgar Drake did not have time to really learn everything. After all, he was not supposed to be in the country too long, just long enough to repair the Erard Piano.

    Lorrie
    July 27, 2003 - 10:26 pm
    All in all, I'd like to read your overall impressions of the complete book, and why you would recommend this one to a friend.

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 27, 2003 - 11:26 pm
    Hi Lorrie,

    I loved the book, The Piano Tuner. Daniel Mason's descriptive writing is beautiful. I liked learning about an international location. I had the chance to learn about the Shan people, the country of Burma. The musical facts were very interesting. I had the chance to learn about the Fugue, the Erard Pianos and Bach. I also liked the romance and the mysterious atmosphere of the book. For all of these reasons, I would recommend this book to a friend.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 28, 2003 - 12:32 am
    Oh yes, I have to agree, the romance of the book was top on my list why I liked the book - the politics for me, moved to the background as just so much noise and so, like Drake, I was not very interested - ah so -

    I saw the politics as being 'same old, same old' - nothing new under the sun - and so why not just enjoy the scenery as long as we are on this journey - Drake, like most of us, could not really do much to change the course of things - all he could do would be express his opinion by adding his verbal support for Carroll - if he disagreed he may have not even made it to the river - he really didn't have many choices - greater winds were blowing.

    Bottom line it seems to me it is what you do with your life - Drake may not have made history and he may have turned his head and heart from Katherine and London but it looked like he acted in keeping with who he was and the responsiblities he accepted in life.

    Where as Carroll added his bit which seemed more manipulitive and he still did not make the history books - he carried out his profession as best as he understood it with concern for the people he was charged by his government to change.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 28, 2003 - 03:44 am

    This is a fine book which has the stuff in it to become a classic, in my opinion. Though I skimmed over the history and politics the first time I read it, I went back and read those passages very carefully and did some research about Burma and that period because to me the book didn't make sense until I understood what was going on there at that time.

    As far as I am concerned, this book is far more than a romance and travelogue. Daniel Mason has taken a look at the history of a place I didn't know at all well and presented it in a very unusual way. His method of using a kind of classical literary theme based on the Odyssey and mingling it with music and the classical musical form of the fugue fascinated me.

    I learned a lot; will learn even more when I read The Piano Tuner again, and I highly recommend it as an excellent read.

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 28, 2003 - 04:57 am

    By the way, if you'd like to read about the East right here in SeniorNet, go to the Japan discussion in the Geographic Communities folder through the link below and read what Akira Murayama, Jere Pennell and Andara post. Scroll back through "previous", and you'll see more.

    JAPAN

    annafair
    July 28, 2003 - 08:59 am
    There is nothing I can add to the posts. From the beginning I loved this book...it took me on a journey, showed me a place I had never been, learned so much and appreciate all the links. I too think this is a classic and feel the author has enormous talent and will look for his next book..It was a great month and thanks to all who shared and Lorrie who led...anna

    PS I think I will read it again on some rainy fall day and apply all the ideas, posts and links offered here. And when I am finished I will just sit quietly and think about the worlds writers share with us...and be grateful....

    Lorrie
    July 28, 2003 - 09:23 am
    I think the Christian Science Monitor summed it all up best:

    "Mason handles this plot with a deft hand. Trills of wit and suspense run through Edgar's portentous journey. The narrative maintains a kind of arched 19th-century tone by including military reports, letters, and histories that gracefully fill in the arcane politics of the Burmese conflict. And it's full of haunting, gorgeous scenes of striking incongruity, such as the doctor's piano swaying on the back of an elephant climbing through the brush, producing a sprinkling of random notes as the hammers bounce against the strings."

    Lorrie

    Traude S
    July 29, 2003 - 10:50 am
    LORRIE, a tenacious stomach virus has kept me from the computer since yesterday and delayed these comments. I am sorry.

    The Piano Tuner is an ambitious first novel with several themes, for one the realities of British colonialism in a remote corner of the Empire in 19th century Burma, for another the confrontation between ideals and reality. Moreover, it is a "Bildungsroman" in the loving, detailed description of Edgar Drake's long journey, his gradual exposure to the duality of East and West, and his awakening to a sensuous world radically different from Victorian London.

    The book reminded me of Joseph Conrad's The Heart of Darkness and especially of Jane Campion's film "The Piano" (with Holly Hunter, if memory serves).

    The legendary Anthony Carroll is a formidable presence in the story even though Drake and the reader don't meet him until the second part. He is an extraordinary somewhat enigmatic character, a lover of the arts in the unlikeliest of places, successful in his dealings with tribal chiefs and hence indispensable to the British military, albeit unpopular, even controversial because of his methods. Drake believes he has found his hero, to him Mae Lwin is Paradise.

    The reader is left to ponder whether Carroll is a hero, an idealist lost in a God-forsaken outpost, or a visionary.

    LORRIE, thank you for leading us to and through this wonderful book.

    horselover
    July 29, 2003 - 11:29 am
    Hi Gang, My computer has been down since last Tuesday. We had a terrible storm here, and lightning fried (short circuited) both the phone line and my modem. It took a while for the phone comapny to do their job, and then I had to replace the modem. Now all is finally working again. Did anyone notice I was gone???

    I am going to try to read through all your posts so I won't be repetitious before I say anything. I'm not sure how much longer we will be discussing this book, or whether I will have time to post my thoughts on the last section, but I was enjoying the discussion until I was abruptly cut off from the rest of you. Be back after I read the backlog.

    Hats
    July 29, 2003 - 12:20 pm
    Dear Lorrie,

    Along with Traude, I would like to thank you for leading this discussion. Without your insight, many ideas in the book would have not been seen by me. Thank you also for picking such a great book and introducing a new author. I look forward to reading another one by Daniel Mason.

    Thank you again. I am also grateful to all of the posters who gave links or posted their thoughts. As usual, I discovered and learned much from the posters. It has been enjoyable.

    Hats
    July 29, 2003 - 12:22 pm
    Horselover, I missed you!!! Sorry about your troubles with the computer. I am looking forward to sharing another discussion with you.

    Lorrie
    July 29, 2003 - 12:36 pm
    Oh, Horselover, what a bummer! This is why we all run and shut down whever we hear a little peal of thunder----It's what scares all computer workers the most, I think.

    Anyway, we missed you, a lot, and I would be very interested in what you might have to say while we wind up this discussion.

    I meant to ask you all, do you think this would make a good movie? I do, and i can see William Hurt (?) as Edgar, and perhaps Sean Connery as Dr. Carroll? Whom do you see?

    Lorrie

    Hats
    July 29, 2003 - 01:01 pm
    Lorrie, I think it would make a great movie. The scenery would be beautiful. I think Paul Newman should play the part of Drake. I have not thought of the other parts. I like Sean Connery too.

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 29, 2003 - 01:55 pm

    Adrian Brody as Edgar Drake. Anthony Hopkins as Carroll.

    Mal

    annafair
    July 29, 2003 - 02:49 pm
    I like Matthew Modine as Drake and darn I cant think of the name of the actor I see as Carroll.....well I am sure whoever is cast it will seem to be the right ones..although I hope they dont spoil the book and make the "love angle" too important...anna

    horselover
    July 29, 2003 - 05:58 pm
    Lorrie, I agree that Sean Connery would be perfect as Carroll, especially since he did already play a similar part in "The Man Who Would Be King." I guess that gives you a clue about what I think Carroll's ultimate ambitions were in the Shan States. William Hurt looks the part and has played ordinary men in extraordinary situations before, but he has no English accent. The actor who played Claude Erskine-Brown in the Rumpole series looks the part (can't remember his name). I don't think they will make a movie of this book. Unfortunately, it's too slow moving for today's markets.

    I agree with those who said the ending did not surprise them. We were told from the beginning that Drake was going to disappear, and the British were going to comb through his letters for clues as to what had happened to him. I think Edgar wanted to die if he could not be reunited with Khin Myo. He realized that he had changed so much in the time he had spent in Burma that the land and its people had entered his soul forever. The thought of returning to the ordinary life he had known in England was unimaginable to him now, and he feared that he would no longer be the husband Katherine knew and expected.

    He did not have to run away. He could have cooperated with the British. I think he was smart enough to know that he did not owe Doctor Carroll any more loyalty than Carroll had shown to him. In the end the Captain tells Edgar that he, too, was taken in by Carroll who was the reason he had stayed in Burma. Why does the Captain let Edgar escape? Why does Edgar destroy the piano he has worked so hard to save? Was the woman with the parasol that Edgar sees in his last moments a mirage? Who shot him? What actually happened and will happen to Khin Myo and Doctor Carroll? We are left to wonder and to answer these questions for ourselves.

    horselover
    July 29, 2003 - 06:12 pm
    Lorrie, I would like to join the others in thanking you for being a great leader for this discussion. As many of the other posters said, the comments were as interesting as the book. I would recommend the book to friends and already have.

    Hats, I look forward to sharing another discussion with you and all the others who made this book a wonderful experience for me. I'm sorry I missed this last week in real-time. What will be the next discussion for all of you? I will definitely read "The DaVinci Code" for September. I've heard great things about it from many people. I may read "Leap of Faith" in August if I have time.

    Lorrie
    July 29, 2003 - 08:29 pm
    And with that, I think we can gently wrap up this discussion. I thank you all for your kind words, and working with you here has been very enjoyable. Please keep watching the Community Center, the Books and Literature page, and the Library for new schedules and announcements. You're a grand buch, thank you!

    Lorrie

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 29, 2003 - 09:41 pm

    Thanks to all of you for making this a stimulating discussion. Special thanks to Lorrie.