Wally Lamb Discusses

Couldn't Keep It to Myself



Books & Literature was honored recently to be able to talk to prize winning best selling author and humanitarian Wally Lamb, author of She's Come Undone and I Know This Much is True, about his new book, Couldn't Keep it to Myself: Wally Lamb and the Women of York Correctional Institution: Testimonies From Our Imprisoned Sisters . In an extraordinary series of live appearances and through his generosity in answering several pages of our questions, Wally Lamb enriched, educated, and informed our fortunate readers on a wide range of subjects. The following are his remarks assembled into interview form:

Hi, everyone. I've enjoyed your rolling discussion of CKITM and the questions you've posted for me are great--far more interesting that the usual "What's Oprah like?" and "Do you write with a pen or on a computer?" So let me dig in and see how many of these I can get to before the predicted nor'easter begins here in Connecticut and I have to hightail it from office to home.

SN: Did you get to choose the order of the stories in the book, and if so why did you choose "The Last Face of Earth" as the first story?
WL: Yes, as editor I chose the order of the essays--writing each selection on an index card and playing with various combinations on the floor of my office until I thought I had a pretty good variety and flow for the reader. The lead-off story presented me with a particular dilemma. Originally, I planned to make "Izzy" the first story, and the only one by Nancy Whiteley. But fairly late into the editing process, Nancy's second effort, "True Earth.." began to evolve through a number of drafts. It, too, was strong work and I couldn't resist sharing that one with readers, too. I chose it as the first essay because it depicted Nancy's childhood. Chronologically speaking, I thought it might offer readers a kind of cause-and-effect look at two excerpts from the writer's life. Originally, I wanted to flip-flop mine and Dale Griffith's essays, putting hers as the first and mine as the last. (Dale is my co-teacher in the workshop; she's a paid full-time educator at the school and I'm a volunteer.) But my publisher, Judith Regan, felt strongly that readers should hear first from me, so I complied. Later, I came to agree that that was the better order. So you see--editors, too, can benefit from editing!
SN: I envy Wally Lamb's opportunity to work with the same group of women week after week so that they can rewrite and rewrite until the pieces turn out as polished and professional as these in I Couldn't Keep It to Myself. And also his chance to see Diane after she leaves prison. That is something we are forbidden to do, have contact with any prisoners after their release. Although, maybe if one of ours were dying.

Question for Wally. How is your workshop structured? Is it a like a college course with a beginning and ending date and structured assignments? Or what?
WL: The workshop is structured more loosely than a college course that's shaped by a syllabus and semester deadlines. York School is in session year-round. Sometimes I'll begin one of our two-hour sessions with a ten or fifteen minute lesson on some aspect of writing: point of view, "ingredients" of a dramatric scene, even mechanical stuff like when to put the apostrophe before the s and when to put it after. (When I was a kid in school and didn't know where to put it, I'd place the apostrophe right over the s, hoping the teacher would give me the benefit of the doubt!) Often, I'll "prime the pump" by engaging the students in a ten- or fifteen-minute writing exercise, which they're free to turn into a full-blown piece if they've hit upon something that interests them. From these opening activities, the class usually segues to the work at hand: a.) drafts in progress that writers have submitted to me the session before and which might benefit from a whole-group reaction and which I'll read aloud or have photocopied for them. (Trust me--you wouldn't want to have to pay my Kinko's copying bills.) and b.) writing that's new that day--a piece in progress for which the writer hungrily seeks feedback. "Who wants to share new work?" I'll ask. Usually one or two women want the rest of us to have a listen and offer our responses.
SN: You mention in your introduction the technique of "how to recast memories as dramatic scenes with the help of fictional techniques." Would you tell us an example of what might be considered "fictional techniques" in one of these stories?
WL: In fiction, a dramatic scene usually has characters, dialogue, description, action, and reaction. Interior monologue (what the narrator may be thinking in the midst of all this) is often a part of the mix, also. Exposition occurs when the narrator takes a step back from the scene to offer explanation, background info, "back story," etc. Exposition is sort of like the glue that holds the scenes together and allows the story to progress. In Nancy Whiteley's "Orbitting Izzy," take a look at pages 54-55. The two paragraphs beginning with "Everyone who knew Aldo warned me.." are exposition. Beginning with the sentence, "When I arrived at Isadore Weintraub's accounting office ..." the writer moves from exposition into scene. In recreating their memories as scenes, the writers were encouraged to evoke the five senses so that readers could vicariously live the scene (feel, smell, see, tatse, and hear it) as opposed to just hearing about it second-hand. For many of the writers, that made them relive the memories, good or bad. Reliving the hard stuff was difficult for many but also therapeutic in that it got the pain, hurt, and guilt out of them and onto the page, where it became easier to handle.
SN: As an author, what would you hope a book group would look for when reading one of your books? Many times in our book discussions people are afraid to look too closely or speculate on symbolism or literary devices. Do you as an author object to the reader trying to look at all the elements in the book?
WL: I write my novels for myself, working hard (and often suffering along with the characters) until I figure out who these fictional concoctions are on a deeper level and what they're trying to tell me. It's only by finishing the novel that I come to know what it means--and that's only what it means TO ME. My feeling is: once I finish the story to the best of my ability and the publisher sends it out into the world, it's no longer mine any more. It belongs to which ever readers are good enough to read it. So I encourage readers to filter the story through their own experiences and needs and find whatever they want/need to find in the story. If reading group members disagree with one another, so much the better. There should be no one right answer or one correct interpretation. The reader isn't cracking walnuts, after all, but applying stories to his or her life, the better to widen understanding. As for the anthology CKITM, I only ask that readers listen to the writers' voices with an open mind and a generous heart. If they do, I think the reward is that they'll come out of the experience with a deeper understanding of some very complex issues.
SN: Have you had any contact again with Paula Plunkett since She's Come Undone was written?
WL: No, I've never run into Paula (not her real name) ever again. And please don't misunderstand: I only borrowed a visual image; the character of Dolores Price in She's Come Undone is very much cut from fictional cloth. The funny thing is, though, over the years, from time to time, people I know have claimed they've "found" themselves in my fiction. They're off the mark when they make these claims, but if they feel flattered, I usually let then have their illusions.
SN: What can WE do to help women in prisons? Is there something we can do here on SeniorNet in the Books & Lit?
WL: I think reading this book and listening to the women's voices is already doing something very important with regard to helping incarcerated people. So many people in our society want to put "bad" people behind bars and not think about them beyond that. Every person who reads this book--and others by/about prisoners, such as PEN's anthology "Doing Time" (editor Belle Gale Chevigny) and Mark Salzman's True Notebooks--allows those who are silenced to speak. Beyond that, anyone with the impulse can investigate volunteer services in the prisons of their areas. There's plenty of need, lots of unexpected and unpredictable rewards, and, from the prisoners, gratitude and a renewal of hope.
SN: What did you hope to achieve with the publication of this book?
WL: Guess Bonnie Foreshaw says it best when she writes: "What I hope is that people reading this book will bear in mind that we are human beings first, prisoners second." Bonnie's a renmarkable woman, by the way. Can't wait until you read her story.
SN: What is the difference in memoir and autobiography?
WL: The difference between autobiography and memoir: hmmm, good question. The writers' group I'm in met earlier today and I posed that one to several of the professional writers. To me, its like a film's long shot as opposed to a close-up. Or the difference between a sleek racing bike and a Buick. Autobiography usually takes on an entire life; memoir offers vivid slice(s) of life. One of the members of the group said she thought of autobiography as facts, people, places and memoir as an exploration of emotional terrain. The more objective external as opposed to the more subjective internal. I guess it's probably all of those. I think of the essays in CKITM as more memoir than autobiography.
SN: Do you think your experiences in teaching these women have had a profound effect on your life and if so how?
WL: For sure, the effect on me--and on my fictional work--has been significant. Having for the last 4 and a half years seen the tip of the iceberg of incarcerated life, I can't now unsee it. For instance, why are we imprisoning the sons and daughters of slaves in such disporportionate numbers? Why are we using prisons as dumping grounds for the mentally ill? Why have we more or less gone backwards from the past, abandoning so much of the rehabilitative piece of prison in favor of the more cost-efficient and society-defeating punishment.
SN: I would like to ask Mr. Lamb if writing talent runs in his family or if he and Nancy Birkla are the only two writers?
WL: My cousin Nancy and I are the only two scribes in our family, far as I know, but I come from a great line of storytellers. My dad doesn’t so much tell a joke as perform it. My late mother was one of 11 children in a big Italian family. (Nancy’s dad was the youngest and the only sibling to move away from Norwich, Connecticut.) When I was a kid, the extended family gathered every Saturday night at my grandmother’s house for supper, after which the women would do the dishes and gab and the men would play cards. On holidays, they’d put the extra leaves in Nonna’s dining room table and, after the big meal, out would come the scrap books, tins of loose photos, and the family stories that went with them. My sisters and cousins would be down in our grandmother’s cellar, playing, but I used to like to hide under the table, amongst all those adult legs and table legs, eavesdropping on all the stories.

My fiction is usually first-person: a character telling his or her story to the unseen reader. I love writing dialogue. Maybe the seeds for my life as a fiction writer--which didn’t take root until I was 30--were planted during those holidays when I’d sit on the floor, undetected, listening in. That’s typical for writers, I think: more often than not, we’re on the periphery of the action, rather than in it, observing quietly.
SN: Nancy Birkla question for Wally -- You said Ms. Birkla was a private student of yours: have you helped her with writing for a long time? However her story ended up in the book, I'm so glad it did. I don't think the book would have been the same without it. It's my favorite and I can't wait for her to be available for questions too.

SN: In the book you were pretty vague about Nancy Birkla's relationship to you and you didn't tell about how the decision came about to include her story in the book.
  • Did the fact that somebody from your own family had been incarcerated influence you in your decision to work with inmates on a regular basis? -- Betternthen -- Mary
    WL: Here’s how Nancy Birkla’s essay came to be in the book. While chatting on the phone with her brother John, I mentioned my work at the prison, and the book that was just then evolving from it. He said, quite casually, “Hey, you should talk to my sister about her experiences in the slammer.” At that point, Nancy had been out of prison for about ten years. She and I had enjoyed each other’s company as kids but had not been much in touch over the decades of our adult lives. A few years earlier, however, Nancy had sent me some samples of her writing: vivid accounts of her childhood visits back home to Connecticut, from which I could see she had talent, voice, and good “writerly” instincts. One of my frustrations with the York writing group was that we kept losing writers whose crimes were related to drug addiction. Like many people suffering from addiction, these writers would get off to a good start, work hard on promising drafts, and then at some midway point, give up on themselves and drop out of the group. The majority of female inmates are in prison for drug-related crimes, but as the women’s book was being realized, I saw that this population was going to go unrepresented. I contacted Nancy, who said she’d kept journals during her time of incarceration but that she’d moved on and was ambivalent about “going back there” to that very difficult time of her life. She said, however, that she’d give it a try. Whatever it cost her to do so, a few months later I received the first draft of an essay that I found moving, brutally honest, and filled with potential.

    Nancy’s text ebbed and flowed from there. I’d mark up her draft with inquiries and suggestions about where to expand, clarify, and provide detail. I’d mail it back to her. She’d send back the new draft with many of those suggestions incorporated and I’d say, “Okay, now it’s too big” and suggest that she cut. Nancy invested wholeheartedly in and was patient with the process of writing: the step by step way in which an early rough draft becomes a polished and publishable one. Nancy took criticism gracefully and spoke up when my editorial suggestions seemed off base. She never gave up on herself or her essay and the result, I think, is powerful work.

    The writing and the book’s publication have served as a reuniting vehicle for us. Nancy’s become one of the family members I’m closest to and I’m enormously proud of my cousin’s courage, her generosity, and her strength of self.
    SN: Did you hand deliver a copy of your book to the woman you ran into at the Crystal Mall? What was her reaction?
    WL: It was just about a year ago, the week before Christmas of 2002, when I handed an inscribed galley copy to the woman I’d seen at the Crystal Mall. To date, she’s not communicated with me about the book, so I’m not sure if she ever read it and, if she did, how she reacted. I don’t stand in judgment. I only hope that if and when she reads the book, it will become an invitation to her to consider that issues related to our incarcerated brothers and sisters are complex and multi-faceted and that “us versus them” thinking may be part of the problem.
    SN: How do you deal with negative reactions to the book?
    WL: At year’s end, some of the released writers and I have done approximately two dozen readings, q & a’s, radio and TV interviews, etc. Although we expected to, we did not run into any negative reaction to the book while “on the road.” But there was negative reaction from two sources at the time of the book’s release last January: the State of Connecticut (more on that later) and a very vocal spokesperson for a group called Survivors of Homicide, who sharply criticized my efforts in a couple of newspaper articles, saying I should be running a writer’s group for victims of crime, not criminals. Again, there’s that “us vs. them” thinking. If I’ve learned anything these past five years, it’s that these two groups are not mutually exclusive. For so many, crime becomes a regrettable response to having been victimized. I understand that victims’ rights groups are comprised of members who are in terrible pain because of their heartbreaking losses, and I understand, too, that anger is one of the ways that people survive their grief and begin to reconnect with the world. However, if incarcerated writers reflect upon their lives and seek their truths, the better to understand themselves and prevent repeating past mistakes, this does not dishonor the victims of crime or their families. One of our contributors, Tabatha Rowley, is a case in point because she’s seen the view from both sides of the issue. Shortly after she regained her freedom, Tabbi attended the sentencing of a man who had shot and killed her brother in a drug deal that had gone bad. Before he was taken away to prison, Tabatha had a chance to address this man. Rather than berate him and wish him harm or death, she instead looked him in the eye and issued him a challenge: Use your time wisely, she said. Figure out why you’re doing time and work on becoming a better person. Through her own writing, Tabatha had done just that.
    SN: How long did it take for all of the stories to be in their final appearance, how many hours of editing and revising would you say were spent?
    WL: If you added up all the exchanges between the writers and me, the writers with one another and Dale Griffith, and my final edit of each piece, I’d estimate it took hundreds and hundreds—maybe thousands—of hours. I’m at least a year or two behind on my new novel (otherwise known as my paying job!) because of this project, but if I had to do it over again, I’d do it the same because I feel the book’s message—that prisoners are not throwaway lives--is an important and useful one. My life as an educator and my life as a writer are always pulling at each other, robbing time from each other, but each of these vocations feeds the other, too.
    SN: Many of us Texans are appalled at the number of prisons we have been building, at our death row, etc.
    Your final two sentences "We have called into existence the prisons we wanted. I am less and less convinced they are the prisons we need." I know this is a subject for a book of its own. But what do we need to be doing about this situation?
    WL: In my book travels, I’ve had a chance to talk to many European journalists, most of whom believe that our nation’s employment of capital punishment is barbaric and vengeful rather than constructive for society. Personally, I oppose the eye-for-an-eye justice that the death penalty accomplishes on spiritual grounds. How can we do better? I think we should a.) reinstate rehabilitation as a primary objective of imprisonment and rethink the pendulum’s swing toward a more punitive model, b.) invest more in alternative-to-incarceration programs (which are less costly and which reduce recidivism), c.) reckon with the reality that addiction is a disease and respond accordingly and d.) stop using our prisons as dumping grounds for the mentally ill. That’s just for starters!
    SN: Is there a way to write to the other women who will not be a part of the discussion?
    WL: The following CKITM contributors remain incarcerated: Brenda Medina, Michelle Jessamy, Bonnie Foreshaw, Barbara Lane. Keeping in mind that inmate mail can be confiscated, read, and censored, you are free to write to these women at the following address: York Correctional Institution, 201 West Main Street, Niantic, CT 06357. The women have received many letters from readers of the book—Bonnie Foreshaw got a post from Norway!—and they enjoy them very much and usually try to write back. Letters from readers validate their efforts.

    Having volunteered at York prison for four and a half years, I can’t at this point unsee what I’ve seen or unhear what I’ve heard. I’ve become more of an activist for prisoners’ rights, I guess; editing and speaking about the book has been, for me, a form of that activism. I’d also have to say that my experiences with the workshop have affected my creative work. My new novel in progress explores three generations of a single family that are linked not only by blood but also by their connection to a local prison. While this fiction is not a political diatribe—far from it—it is informed by the lessons the women of York have taught me, and the wider understanding they’ve given me.
    SN: I was asking what he thought was the professional writer's responsibility toward an inmate whose talent he helps nurture, and whose release he helps bring about.
  • How closely should he monitor the prisoner's re-entry into society?
  • How much assurance does the public deserve that a violent offender will not harm another innocent person, despite his talent, after he is released? This was an infamous case in NY which is still being debated today.
  • What actually consitutes rehabilitation?
    WL: I gather the “infamous case” to which you refer is the one in which writer Norman Mailer served as mentor to prisoner/writer Jack Abbott, who’d been convicted of homicide. As I remember, Mailer advocated successfully for Abbott’s early release and then, when he was free, Abbott killed again. Embedded in your question seems to be the supposition that Jack Abbott’s actions represent those of many prisoners and that we might all be better off if professional writers minded their own business, stayed away from prisons, and left well enough alone. Sorry, I don’t buy that reasoning; Abbott’s actions and failures were only his actions and failures. That said, I don’t think writing talent should be a basis for early release; I think solid proof of rehabilitation should be. I don’t campaign for the early release of the writers with whom I work, despite the fact that I think some of their lengthy sentences are grossly unfair and stem from a justice system that’s racist and biased against the poor. (Justice may be blindfolded, but she has to be peeking at skin tone.) I don’t “monitor” the released prisoners with whom I’ve worked; parole officers and halfway-house workers do that, taking urine samples, etc. I do keep in touch with these women on a regular basis, checking in from time to time to see how they’re doing, answering their letters, phone calls and emails, offering advice if they seek it, and praising their positive accomplishments. What constitutes rehabilitation? I’d say it’s successful reintegration into society as a contributing and sustaining member. Unfortunately, convicted felons who have done their time and attempt to rejoin the work force face many biases and institutionalized roadblocks to reintegration. That’s one of the reasons why recidivism is at 60-70%. Can you imagine some CEO in private business accepting a failure rate like that? Yet we as a society ignore it and allow it.
    SN: What do you see as the role of a book club or class when reading/ studying a work of literature?

    SN: You have mentioned that there is no right or wrong interpretation, that the reader filters through his own experience and understanding.

  • Should a book club experience end with this personal reflection and identification?
  • Should time also be taken to examine the writer's skill and craft: looking for symbolism, plot, characterization, the structural elements of the book, as well, or is that not necessary or even desirable?
  • Is there a difference in the personal reading experience and a class or group analysis, and should there be?
  • We often have people question whether we the reading group have the "right" to closely examine the author's work, or "dissect" what he has done, what is your opinion on what the ideal experience for reader's group should be?
    WL: I feel the individual members of a book club or class discussing a literary work should feel free to take the discussion wherever they want to, and that critical and analytical responses are every bit as valid and useful as personal applications and emotional reactions to the work. The great thing about classes and discussion groups is that its members teach and learn from one another. Given that, why would you want to adapt rules that allow one type of reader to speak while another type must wear a gag? That limits the many facets of a discussion. I’ve always told my students—high school, university, and incarcerated—that a discussion class is like a pot luck dinner. Bring whatever you have to the table. Don’t come empty-handed and expect to eat for free. Together, we make a feast!
    SN: You use the word "anthology" in describing Couldn't Keep it to Ourselves. What is the role of an editor in presenting an anthology?
    WL: I find creating fiction from scratch to be much more humbling and difficult than editing my own or others’ work. Much, much, much, much, much more!
    SN: Did you have more submissions than we read here and how did you decide who to include and who to leave off?
    WL: There were many promising drafts under consideration, some by writers who lost their nerve and left the group, others by writers who were paroled and left, and some by writers who joined the group well into the book’s construction and whose work had not yet had a chance to season and mature through successive drafts written over time. The writers whose work was published were the ones who invested time and effort and patience with the process. I rejected no writer’s finished work.
    SN: What do you hope the title Couldn't Keep it to Ourselves will convey to the reader?
    WL: Hopefully, the title implies the necessity and the triumph of not only writing but of sharing, too. These writers told some very painful truths. That they then went public with them--first within our group and later to thousands of nameless, faceless strangers—is a testament to their trust in themselves and others and to their generosity. They truly want to be of service by helping others to better understand. There’s a spiritual resonance in the title, as well. The gospel lyric from which the title is taken is this: Said I wasn’t gonna tell nobody, but I couldn’t keep it to myself: what the Lord has done for me.
    SN: Since none of the writers in Couldn't Keep it to Ourselves mention the crime for which they were incarcerated, why is it that a suit has been brought against you and the women by the State of Connecticut?
  • Would you want to comment on what's happening with that lawsuit at this time?
    WL: When we first discussed the possibility of a book, I imagined it as a desktop-published, stapled-in-the-middle, photocopied pamphlet of a thing that I’d have reproduced so that the women could see and share their work in print. My publisher, Judith Regan, got a look and said the writing deserved professional publication. The women were excited about the possibility that something positive, something educational, might result from their hard work. And from the start, they wanted to “give back,” too. After much discussion, Interval House, a wonderful program that assists the victims of domestic violence, was chosen as a revenue-sharing partner.

    When professional publication became a reality, I immediately contacted the Connecticut Department of Correction, informing them that a book was planned, sending them writing samples, and requesting a meeting so that we could discuss their concerns and so that I could be guided by DOC in this effort. I was met with a year-long wall of silence, as were the publisher’s lawyers when they inquired about contracts for the women. There were several calls, several requests to meet, no response. We were, therefore, surprised when, the week before publication, the women learned they were being sued by the State of Connecticut for the cost of their imprisonment. The state also sued the publisher for having paid the released women. To my way of thinking, the project was purposely ambushed.

    The Son of Sam statute, which forbids convicted felons from profiting from their crimes, does not apply to this case because the women did not write about the specifics of their crimes. Instead, the state invoked its little-used “cost of incarceration” statute, which had never before been applied to released inmates. At a rate of about $117 per day, the state sued the writers for the daily cost of their incarceration. The imprisoned writers had received no money whatsoever and those who’d served their sentences and been released had received a modest book sale income of $5,600 each—otherwise known as seed money to begin their rehabilitated lives. Suddenly, they were saddled with bills of several hundred thousand dollars, sums that they cannot possibly pay and which thwart their efforts as they take their first tentative steps back into the work force. (One writer quipped, “Gee, if I’d known it was costing me $117 a day while I was in there, I would have ordered room service.) The lawsuit was particularly demoralizing to the still-incarcerated writers.
    SN: Are you able to comment or would you care to comment on the lawsuit the State of Connecticut has instigated against the York writers about proceeds received from "Couldn't Keep it to Myself" ?
    WL: Connecticut’s Attorney General, Richard Blumenthal, contends that the state deserves whatever money the writers make (and, apparently, several hundred thousand more) because the women never would have become published authors if Connecticut had not convicted and imprisoned them. In my opinion, this argument blithely dismisses the women’s writing talent and their work ethic and sends them the message that the state is more interested in retribution than rehabilitation. Why are we not sending them the message that hard, honest work brings reward?

    As of now, the lawsuit is pending. Meanwhile, Connecticut’s state legislature has taken up the issue of the women’s right to be paid for their work as part of its prison reform package, which seeks to remove some of the state’s roadblocks to rehabilitation and which it is scheduled for a vote in February of 2004. Those of you who wish to send a letter in support of the York writers may address those letters to the chair of the legislature’s judiciary committee:
    Representative Michael Lawlor
    Legislative Office
    Building, Room 2500
    Hartford, Connecticut
    06106-1591
    Email: MLawlor99@juno.com

    The more letters the better, I’m told. Thanks so much for considering this.
    SN: There seems to be some rule about associating with former prisoners once they are released, how does that interfere (if it does) with book tours?
    WL: Paid employees of the Department of Correction may not maintain contact with released inmates for a period of time—not sure what that is. Volunteers are not under the same restrictions. Released writers who participated in the book tour did so with the approval and the blessing of their parole officers, who understood the rehabilitative value of the project. Parole is not under the jurisdiction of DOC. On tour, the women were amazing—honest, direct, warm, and genuine. Tabatha, Robin, Carolyn, Nancy W., and Nancy B. all did a terrific job. Dale occasionally joined us, too, and she was great as well.
    SN: Mr. Lamb, do you do a lot of self-editing when you write?
  • Do you edit and revise your writing as you go along, or do you wait until you've finished your book?
  • Did you give the York writers clues about self-editng when you taught them?
  • Were they receptive to the idea?
  • Are some of them anxious to continue writing? I hope so.
  • Did you learn something about your own writing when you edited the writing in this book?
  • What sort of book are you working on now?
  • How did you find a publisher for your first book?
    WL: I edit constantly, all through the drafting process. Sometimes I catch myself over-editing my work-- an avoidance tactic I unfortunately resort to when I’m unsure where the story is going.

    Sure, each workshop discussion provides members with a refresher course on how to self-edit as they provide editorial suggestions for others. I find the York writers to be grateful for and enthusiastic about editorial feedback—much more so than many of the university students I’ve taught, some of whom assume they’ve achieved perfection in a single draft (ha ha!) That said, I remind the writers that they are the ones at the steering wheel. We offer our best responses, which each writer can use or reject. But the writer, not the critic, owns the work. With every book I write or edit, I learn things that are useful to my development. I learned a whole lot about editing and word economy when I wrote the movie script for my first novel, She’s Come Undone. Screenplay is a tough form—you have to pack everything into about 120 pages!

    Three of the still-incarcerated writers in the book remain active in the group, one has dropped out. Of the released writers, Nancy Whiteley is working on a new autobiographical piece. Tabatha Rowley journals every day. Robin Cullen has shifted focus from writing to public speaking; she’s part of a busy traveling program that educates young people about the perils of drunk driving.

    I’m currently working on a novel—or should I say it’s working on me. My literary agent promised Judith Regan (my one and only publisher since the beginning) a “first look” at She’s Come Undone when the novel was finished. With my typical bad timing, I completed the book just as Judith was getting ready to deliver her second baby. She brought the manuscript to the hospital, planning to read a few chapters bedside and then send it back with a polite refusal. Instead, she read through the night and made an offer the following day. She’s Come Undone had taken me almost nine years to write, but it was accepted with head-spinning speed!
    SN: How many hours a day do you spend on writing when you are working on a book and how much time on editing? Do you have other people helping you with the editing? Do you like to edit? I missed some of the earlier posts, so am not sure if any of this was answered or not.
    WL: I get out of bed at 5:30 each morning and drive in the dark to my office, a ten minute trip. I usually start by editing (fiddling with) my work from the day before. When I’m finished with that, I’m on to new stuff. I pretty much edit all day long, though. Drafting’s grunt work for me; editing’s more like play—but you have to balance both. I usually break at around 11:00 am, exercise at the gym, grab some lunch, then get back to work at around 1:00 or so. Often, family needs, teaching, requests, and business concerns swallow up my afternoon and evening, but I try to keep my a.m. writing time sacrosanct. Morning—the earlier the better—is when my creativity kicks in best.
    SN: Are the women in the book able to benefit financially from it and, for those still in prison, do the prisons allow them to receive and use the profits?
    WL: None of the incarcerated writers has received any money from the book. The writers who had served their sentences and been released when the book was published each received an equal portion of the book sale money: $5,600. Interval House also received that amount. I’ve donated to Interval House a sum greater than the $5,600 I received as the book’s editor.