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Title: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions ~
Post by: BooksAdmin on March 05, 2009, 01:27:58 PM
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Polls are now open to choose  Bookclub Online titles for JULY and AUGUST Discussion!

VOTE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)



Title
Author
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/harcour2.html)                    Clemens
The Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)                    Kingsolver
Frankenstein (http://books.google.com/books?id=1kdBB08BuMQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=frankenstein+mary+shelley+summary&hl=en&ei=MqLgS9SOGIa8lQeWgLHwCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)                    Shelley
Dracula (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Norton-Critical-Editions-Stoker/dp/0393970124)                    Stoker
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers (http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1)                    Warner




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions -- Vote Here
Post by: JoanP on March 07, 2009, 11:10:34 AM
Good morning! 
Some of you have been posting suggestions for future book discussions -  in various locations - the Library, the Fiction discussions  etc. (The first two titles in the chart came out of these discussions.) We  seem to need this central space to post all suggestions, which we will  consider  for future discussion.  Just post the name and title here and something you know about the book.  This should be fun!

I've just nominated Dicken's last work- unfinished: The Mystery of Edwin Drood. I'd never heard of it until recently, have you? It seems to have captured the imaginations of several fiction writers:  Matthew Pearl's The Last Dickens and Dan Simmon's Drood, the Novel.
 I know for sure I want to read Dicken's work, and maybe we can consider reading one of the other two along with it?

How about you - Is there something you would like to discuss along with the group?
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: marcie on March 09, 2009, 03:58:45 PM
Joan, The Mystery of Edwin Drood sounds like an interesting read...especially in conjunction with another novel and/or film. There have been several films and a musical related to the story. Dicken's unfinished novel is available for reading online at several places including http://charlesdickenspage.com/drood.html. (CAUTION: the plot is described at this link but there is also another link at the top to the actual novel).

It would be fun to discuss the novel and one or more of the other renditions.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2009, 11:06:31 PM
Matthew Pearl's book is scheduled to be published on March 19 - it's been well received in England.  I'm going to nominate it and put it in the chart with Dicken's Drood as soon as I can get a link for it.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: hats on March 15, 2009, 09:37:46 AM
JoanP,

I just happened upon this title. I am not familiar with the author, Dan Simmons. There seems to be high interest in Dickens' Drood.

http://features.csmonitor.com/books/2009/02/23/drood/
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JudeS on March 16, 2009, 12:24:04 AM
I saw that "Loving Frank" was nominated as a possible choice.  My f2f  book club just read it.  The only person who didn't rip it apart was the person who suggested it.  We are a group of ten Psychotherapists who have been in a book group for five years and this is the first time any book was so attacked.  That doesn't mean there isn't a lot of issues to discuss pertaining to the contents-Women's Lib, the feminist movement , men who have non-stop affairs and the women that love them etc., etc.  However the writing is really a let down.
I feel safe with a suggestion of Dickens-you just can't go wrong with genius.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on March 16, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
-Sandy, we're  looking for you - would love to hear your suggestion...

-Hats - thanks for the article on Simmon's Drood.  He seems to have taken liberties with Dicken's Drood, but relies heavily on biographies of Wilkie Collins and Dickens to construct his plot.  I really want to wait to see what Matthew Pearl's Drood looks like in his Last Dickens before nominating a companion piece to Dicken's Drood.   It is to be released in a few days - March 19th, I think.

- Jude!  Please do join us in The Elegance of the Hedgehog pre-discussion (Actual discussion of the book begins April 1).  I read an article, will have to find the link and put it in the discussion, that the book is a huge international best seller internationally - and that French psychotherapists are "recommending it to their patients over Prozac." A silly assertion, I think it was in Time magazine, but I really think you would enjoy the book!

Loving Frank and Three Cups of Tea will be proposed for the month of May.  I'm not sure where the interest is in either book.  From what you say of your f2f group's reaction to Frank, it must have been the most spirited discussion YOU all have had in years!  And as you say, there were a number of issues to which some readers might be attracted.

Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: hats on March 16, 2009, 01:35:58 PM
After you invited Matthew Pearl to the discussion, I felt like he was a personal friend. I would always choose to read his book over another book written on the same subject. I just thought it was weird to come up on Drood again.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: mrssherlock on March 17, 2009, 09:26:29 PM
My sister enticed me to read Gail Fraser's Lumby Lines, first in a series about a small town full of characters, in the sense of, "What a character that guy is!".  I've read 2 and have the third on reserve.  Lumby is a quirky little town and its doings are low key, much like Jan Karon's stories.   Gail's husband is an artist and illustrates the books.  Here is the Lumby site:  http://www.lumbybooks.com/home.php
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: Sandy on March 18, 2009, 06:52:46 PM


How about Death in the Devil's Acre or something else by Anne Perry? I hear such good things about her writing.


    Sandy
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on March 19, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
Hats, I'm going to look for Matthew Pearl's book today.  Today it should appear in bookstores in the US.  It's been a hit in England, so I understand.  One reviewer said it is his best.  I can't wait to see how he has approached  Dickens' Edwin Drood...

Speaking of Dicken's - here's Powell's review of
 Death in the Devil's Acre    (http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780449210956?&PID=32442)
Quote
"Give her a good murder and a shameful social evil, and Anne Perry can write a Victorian mystery that would make Dickens's eyes pop."
Thanks for the suggestion, Sandy.  Any other Perry fans out there?  I'll enter it in the chart for future consideration.

Mrssherlock - the Lumby Lines link is quite an experience.  I love the whole presentation - the illustrations.  We'll put this in the chart  for consideration- title and link too!  Thank you so much.

Since two of the recommended books are now proposed for May, I'll take them from the chart above...
Ann's proposal to discuss   Loving Frank (Lloyd Wright ) is now open - While she is busy with Ralph's post surgery recovery, Traude has been working to get the proposal for May to you -

Quote
"Nancy Horan has blended the known facts with novelistic imagination to create a compelling narrative of a dramatic, ultimately tragic love story."
 

 Those interested in FLW's work will be fascinated at the turmoil in his private life.  This is fiction - based on fact.  Historical fiction?  If you are interested, Traude is waiting to hear from you  right here - 
Loving Frank (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=347.0)


Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: lucky on March 19, 2009, 09:38:52 PM
I would like to suggest "Reading Lolita In Iran".  Live in Iran has become so regimented that reading western literture is criminal yet a group of women secretly read Lolita braving the censure of the powers that be.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on March 20, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
  I am smiling at the very idea of the girls  reading and giggling over Lolita together - in Tehran!  I'll enter it into the chart for future consideration. Thanks, Lucky!
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: Persian on March 20, 2009, 04:02:42 PM
I've known several Persian women in Maryland and Washington DC - and two of their teenage daughters - who took copies of this book with them when they visited relatives in Iran.  They presented the books, read and discussed them together and one told me that she "thoroughly enjoyed the experience and recalled some of the dreams from my own teenage years."

Mahlia
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: mrssherlock on March 20, 2009, 08:54:01 PM
The tide of muslimism seems to be spreading across the earth.  I wonder at the outcome of this confrontation between those who want to model their lives on Mohamad and the others.  Many follow not just his philosophy but want the clock turned back.  Being a free thinker from my teens I've contemplated those who are eager to allow others to dictate the minutiae of their lives.  Somehow they are more comfortable following, being one among many.  America is full of those who stray. 
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: lucky on March 23, 2009, 08:34:37 PM
I think Sophie's World would be a good choice for the group reading foreign literature.  It was originally written in Norwegian.  It is quite an extraordinary work in that although it is fiction there is a great deal of philosophy  so that one could say that is a philosophic work disguising as a novel. 
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on March 24, 2009, 09:09:49 AM
Hello, Lucky -
I  will put Sophie's World in the chart for future consideration - with a link to this description from Publishers' Weekly -

Sophie's World (http://www.amazon.com/Sophies-World-History-Philosophy-Classics/dp/0374530718/ref=pd_sim_b_2)

From the description and from your recommendation, I think you would like very much our discussion of The  Elegance of the Hedgehog   (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=348.msg15959#new)which will begin April 1.  I remember reading one of your posts in which you said reading cures many ills.   This is such a book.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: hats on March 27, 2009, 11:29:17 AM
I loved, loved, loved "Reading Lolita in Tehran. I have the book ready to reread one day.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: hats on March 27, 2009, 11:30:06 AM
JoanP, I like that quote.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: Steph on March 29, 2009, 09:39:05 AM
I just got the newest Wally Lamb.. It looks just great.. Maybe that could goon for late in the summer or fall.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on March 29, 2009, 11:53:25 AM
Wally Lamb is a special friend of ours - would love to hear what you think of his latest book, Steph.  It's a big book, isn't it?  Over 700 pages.  It would be an investment of $ and time.  We need to hear from some who have read it - or started it.  It's been added to the heading with a clickable link to Bookmarks Magazine if  folks want to read more about it.

We'll vote soon to see not only where there is interest in our next discussions, but also for the fall selections.  Thanks, Steph!
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: lucky on April 01, 2009, 06:59:27 PM
I would like to recommend Doctorow's excellent work on the Civil War, "The March".  The book is fiction but Doctorow has done very thorough research on the war and the people involved.  One can feel the pain of the inhabitants as Sheridan's march to the sea wreaked havoc and destruction, something that the south never forgave the north.  It is one of the few works that depicts the pain and horror that the southern women felt as the Union troops looted, starved, and committed outrages against the "fairer sex".  It is a good companion to the book we have been reading, "The Team Of Rivals.
.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on April 01, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
Thanks, again, Lucky!  We will be voting very soon, not only for the next discussion, but also to assess interest for the future.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: marjifay on April 04, 2009, 06:12:13 AM
I second Lucky's nomination of Doctorow's THE MARCH.  I read this book a couple of years ago and wouldn't mind re-rereading it, it was so good. You feel as if you are there with Sherman's men fighting the war. I have intended to read more about Sherman, but haven't gotten to it yet.  Also wanted to try to read more about the surgeon, one of the fascinating characters in this book.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on April 15, 2009, 01:37:40 PM
We'll vote the first week in May for future book discussions.  Some good titles in the header right now - still time to add some more.  We're looking for books that you think might make for a good group discussion.

I'm going to add Matthew Pearl's latest novel, The Last Dickens- as a companion to Charles Dickens last novel,  The Mystery of Edwin Drood.  (We might even get Matthew to join us as he did for two of his earlier novels.  His books are always fun.  This one is said to be his best.  And we all know Dickens - though many are unfamiliar with Edwin Drood)

Remember that all of the nominated titles are links to reviews so that you can learn something more about them. 

The last time we voted, these were some of the also-rans.  Still interested?  Say the word and we'll add them to this list too.  There will be more than one "winner"  ...

The Bookseller of Kabul
The Hour I First Believed
Olive Kitteridge
Love in the Time of Cholera
White Tiger
The Story of Edgar Sawtelle
Look Homeward, Angel

Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 17, 2009, 10:39:48 PM
A Summer of Hummingbirds: Love, Art, and Scandal in the Intersecting Worlds of Emily Dickinson, Mark Twain, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and Martin Johnson
http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Hummingbirds-Scandal-Intersecting-Dickinson/dp/0143115081/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240020874&sr=1-1

My Life on a Hillside Allotment
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Hillside-Allotment-Terry-Walton/dp/0552155004/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240021374&sr=1-1

All the Pretty Horses
http://www.amazon.com/All-Pretty-Horses-Cormac-McCarthy/dp/0679744398/ref=pd_sim_b_9

Homecoming: A novel
http://www.amazon.com/Homecoming-Vintage-International-Bernhard-Schlink/dp/0375725571/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240021818&sr=1-15

The Book Thief
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Thief-Markus-Zusak/dp/0375842209/ref=pd_sim_b_2

I Like You: Hospitality Under the Influence
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=+Amy+Sedaris&x=8&y=19

The Moorland Cottage
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1934648280/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: ALF43 on April 18, 2009, 03:35:41 PM
How long is Dicken's History of Edwin Drood?  I would love to read that one in conjunction with Matthew's new book- like we did with Dante a couple of years ago.  That is great to be able to correlate them at the same time.  I vote for Matthew.  I read Edgar Sawtelle and enjoyed it but----

I have Wally Lamb's and am more than half way through.  I love the way he writes so that would be my 2nd choice.  Interesting, particulaly with the 10th annviersary of the Columbine killings so fresh in eveyone's mind.  Yes!  It is epressing but it is also life!
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: mrssherlock on April 18, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
This one sounds interesting:  A Summer of Hummingbirds:  Love, Art and Scandal in the Intersecting Worlds of Emily Dickinson, Mark Twain, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and Martin Johnson Heade.  ". . .renowned critic Christopher Benfey maps the intricate web of family, friendship and romance that connects these larger-than-life personalities to one another, and in doing so discovers a unique moment in the development of American character."  What the Civil War wrought is reflected in the lives of these artists and thinkers.   Twain, remarking on the Mississippi after his 20-year absence: it has changed like ". . . a place in the sky where a cloud has been."  So had America changed.  A documentary on Twain in PBS in February commented that he was the first American writer as opposed to Hawthorne, et al., Americans writing English literature. 
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on April 19, 2009, 06:03:54 AM
Barbara - a bushel basketful of possibilities  for group discussion!  I'm on the road this weekend - will be home tonight to enter them into the chart in the heading.  Thanks for the links too! 

Jackie
, I love the books that shed light on the friendship, relationships among writers too.   You learn so much more about these well-known writers.  I often find myself re-reading their works during the discussion too.   A Summer of Hummingbirds sounds like such a book, doesn't it?

Andy, Dickens never finished his Drood - was only about half way when he died...yet the book was over 300 pages.  I see that it is available online - so that would save the cost of buying two books if we did Matthew Pearl's book too.  It's also available in libraries, even though it is unfinished.  Kindle too, I think.

I hear Wally Lamb's book is  quite long - over 700 pages...and several of you are finding it depressing.  I'd like to know how you feel about a group discussion of this book.

We have a two weeks before we vote yet.  Keep the suggestions coming!
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: mrssherlock on April 19, 2009, 10:19:37 AM
Hummingbird is non-fiction so it can't be considered here.  I forgot that we are a fiction-only discussion.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 19, 2009, 03:35:00 PM
Oha so it is not fiction - wow - I have the book but have not yet had a chance to read it - sticking to fiction that eliminates Not only A summer of Hummingbirds: but also Hillside Allotment and I Like You:

That leaves:

All the Pretty Horses
http://www.amazon.com/All-Pretty-Horses-Cormac-McCarthy/dp/0679744398/ref=pd_sim_b_9

Homecoming: A novel
http://www.amazon.com/Homecoming-Vintage-International-Bernhard-Schlink/dp/0375725571/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240021818&sr=1-15

The Book Thief
http://www.amazon.com/Book-Thief-Markus-Zusak/dp/0375842209/ref=pd_sim_b_2

The Moorland Cottage
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1934648280/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Where I would love to tackle Homecoming written by the author of The Reader (which we can all rent or it may still be in theatres.) I would prefer the idea of reading the Gaskell story, Moorland Cottage. - I was so taken with Cranford that included Lady Ludlow on PBS and since the time is about the same as the Dickinson stories with the place being in the English countryside rather than in crowded London it would be a chance to see how another writer of the period put it on paper.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 19, 2009, 03:40:11 PM
P.S. I didn't get rid of Wally Lamb's book but I didn't get very far into it either - I  just did not like the characters - since it is about an important event I figure one day I will read the book but it will be like taking molasses in spring.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on April 19, 2009, 05:19:49 PM
Hi everyone.

We are back from Charleston - a 9 hour drive on a Sunday afternoon when everyone is returning to DC area from weekend out of town.

I'll be in later tonight, to put the titles in the heading, but feel compelled to make it perfectly clear -

  WE WRE NOT A FICTION-ONLY BOOK SITE!!!  

We have many who are interested in Non-Fiction - witness the last Book Club Online discussion - Doris Kearns Goodwin's Team of Rivals - a non-fiction biography of Lincoln - and the upcoming Three Cups of Tea, the May Book Club Online discussion.  I don't know where that idea came from, Jackie.  Tell whomever told you that - they are mistaken.

We are in the hunt for non-fiction as well as fiction titles!!!
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: mrssherlock on April 20, 2009, 12:03:49 AM
No one told me that; I guess it was a mental holdover from SN.    :-[
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on April 20, 2009, 08:39:35 AM
Barbara, are you nominating the titles above, or have you brought them here for consideration for future discussion - to talk over here before nominating -   If you wish to nominate, will you indicate that here - and I will put them up in the chart for the May vote.  .  Are you also nominating Cranford?  Elizabeth Gaskell's Moorland Cottage is a short story - are you proposing  that we consider a discussion of the collection of 8 short stories, or just this one...which is available online?

I was interested in reading more about A Summer of Hummingbirds - found this in Bookmarks Magazine...

From Bookmarks Magazine
Quote
Reviewers found much to praise in A Summer of Hummingbirdsâ€"from the many anecdotes Benfey has uncovered to his critical insights into art and literature. However, they disagreed over whether his book has uncovered an underlying theme that helps explain the thought of an entire period (as Louis Menand did in The Metaphysical Club, for example), or whether he has simply pointed readers’ attention to a series of interesting but unconnected coincidences. Even if his argument crumbles under scrutiny, critics still found it “very pleasant to float alongside so curious and playful a writer as he drifts from one anecdote or observation to the next” (New York Times Book Review). Since cultural changes like the one Benfey seeks to describe are notoriously difficult to pin down, readers may have to judge the book for themselves.

Jackie, m'dear, SeniorNet was never a fiction only site, either..  Possibly you are thinking of another fiction book site?
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: mrssherlock on April 20, 2009, 10:58:05 AM
So far I can heartily endorse Bookmark's review.  Hummingbird is a delight.  While I can't address the concept of a universal social change, Benfey makes a strong case IMHO for its affect on writers and artists in one small corner of New England.  The logic is strong for consanguinity rather than coincidence. 
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 20, 2009, 12:31:37 PM
I did not know that Moreland Cottage was a short story - I never understand the reason for reading a book that was recently featured in either a movie or a well done TV series/special - and so No on Cranford.

I have started to read 'Hillside...' - and where it is a delight I can see now it is not that great a story to discuss - it is really about one man's experience becoming and continuing a well loved garden discussion based on his garden allotment .

I do think the 'Summer of Hummingbirds...' reading about those in the Northeast that were the artistic creators who influence our reading lives today would be a change of pace for us and and interesting look at how time and place can influence creativity. And so Yes, I would like to nominate A Summer of Hummingbirds: Love, Art, and Scandal in the Intersecting Worlds of Emily Dickinson, Mark Twain, Harriet Beecher Stowe, and Martin Johnson
http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Hummingbirds-Scandal-Intersecting-Dickinson/dp/0143115081/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240020874&sr=1-1

The other books are good but the list is getting too long so I will save them to offer another time I think especially The Book Thief would be a great book to discuss -  however it is the kind of book I would prefer to discuss after the summer months are over.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on April 20, 2009, 02:31:22 PM
I agree about Book Thief - and All the Pretty Horses, but we can save them for the next time, Barbara. 
Benfey's Butterflies is now in  the chart.  I hope folks take the time to read about books they are not familiar with - as the next vote will ask not only for top choice, but for other titles they might participate in down the road.  Once in the middle of voting, you can't back out to see what the other books are about.  Remember - the titles you see in the chart are all links to reviews.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: pedln on April 20, 2009, 09:57:33 PM
Oh hey, guess what just won the 2009 Pulitzer for Fiction – None other than Olive Kittredge by Elizabeth Stout – Stout’s collection of 13 stories set in hardscrabble Maine, all linked by the title character, a math teacher.  And, the same title is also on the short list for the Book Critics Award.

This title was mentioned in the library several months ago, and I’d like to nominate it.
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JoanP on April 20, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
Sounds like a winner, Pedln!  In more ways than one.  A Pulitzer!  Is that enough to sway the vote, do you think? I think Olive K was nominated the last vote too.   Will get it up on the chart right now!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions ~ Vote Here
Post by: mrssherlock on April 21, 2009, 01:00:07 AM
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Polls are now open to choose  Bookclub Online titles for JULY and AUGUST Discussion!

VOTE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)



Title
Author
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/harcour2.html)                    Clemens
The Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)                    Kingsolver
Frankenstein (http://books.google.com/books?id=1kdBB08BuMQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=frankenstein+mary+shelley+summary&hl=en&ei=MqLgS9SOGIa8lQeWgLHwCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)                    Shelley
Dracula (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Norton-Critical-Editions-Stoker/dp/0393970124)                    Stoker
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers (http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1)                    Warner




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
Title: Re: Suggestion Box for Future Book Discussions
Post by: JudeS on April 21, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
I have neglected this site for a while so I will chime in with my two cents though two cents isn't worth much these days.

Reading Lolita in Tehran is one of my favorite  books of all time. However if this is a fiction only site than I will add my voice as
a vote for my favorite fiction book this year-   "The Book Thief". (Zusak) It touches the deepest recesses of ones heart and it is beautifully written.

The People of the Book (Brooks) is mostly well written and a very intellectually arousing novel. Lots and lots to research and discuss.

Haven't read any of the other suggestions but just ordered yesterday "The Story of Edward Sawtelle" since it was so highly praised on Amazon.
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Post by: mrssherlock on April 21, 2009, 09:24:35 PM
The Book Thief and Olive Kitteridge are both waiting for me at the library.  Hooray!
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Post by: JoanP on April 21, 2009, 11:09:24 PM
Jude, I don't know where  that got started -

WE ARE NOT A FICTION-ONLY BOOK SITE!

Do you think Reading Lolita in Tehran would lend itself to a book discussion?  Keep in mind that we will be discussing Three Cups of Tea in May...

The Book Thief has been entered into the running - in the chart above. 
Thanks, Jude!  We'll be voting on May 1.

Jackie, out of curiosity, did your library ever come up with Elegance of the Hedgehog?
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Post by: Gumtree on April 22, 2009, 01:54:28 AM
People of the Book would be great for discussion - filled with different places, different people, different times. Not only that but it's written by an Aussie.... ;D

The Book Thief I agree with Jude - great reading - in parts it may be profound...once again an Aussie writer.... ;D

I'd be there for either of those but I have a sneaking desire to read the Dickens - The Mystery of Edwin Drood as I haven't read that one before.
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Post by: mrssherlock on April 22, 2009, 11:54:31 AM
Hedegehog is still over-reserved.  There are five copies in the system with aadditional  paperback in process.  The message continues to read:  "5 holds on first copy returned of five copies".  Same message has been appearing since I first submitted my reservation sometime in March. 
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Post by: JoanP on April 23, 2009, 08:49:27 AM
We're getting near to the May 1 vote!  I hope you will all read the descriptions of all the nominated books - the titles in the chart in the heading are links to reviews - have I mentioned that? ;)

I agree, these are excellent nominations  - a difficult decision.  But maybe this will help.
The vote will be a bit different this time.  Two parts:

First you will be asked to select your TOP choice of all the nominated books.

 Second- you will be asked to check off each of the titles you might like to discuss at some time in the future.
The thing is - once you begin the vote, you won't be able to back out to read the reviews about books unfamiliar to you.  It would be a shame to lose your vote if you try that.  Though I suppose you could open another window and read about the books and then return to the open vote....


Jackie, thanks for letting me know.  When Hedgehog does become available - we will probably have finished the discussion, but know that the whole thing will be Archived.  This is one book that you will  appreciate the group's comments!
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Post by: JudeS on April 23, 2009, 03:29:07 PM
I would just like to add re:  Reading Lolita in Tehran- Although we would be discussing a non-fiction book we would also be discussing Lolita itself since it plays such an important part in this story.  I know many people have mixed feelings about Lolita.  However  the perspective on this book given in Afir Nafeesis book of Reading Lolita in Teheran may give you,  as it did me, a different perspective on the book , the author Nabokov, and why it is so important a work.
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Post by: JoanP on April 23, 2009, 03:42:01 PM
Thanks, Jude.  There's an idea.  How many of us have read Lolita?  How many of us remember having read Lolita? ;D

Here's something more about the book -

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Reading Lolita in Tehran: A Memoir in Books (2003): After Nafisi was dismissed from her teaching position in Tehran during the late 1980s for studying Western texts and refusing to don a veil, she held a secret class in her home for seven Iranian women. They studied classic Western texts by Austen, James, Nabokov, and Fitzgerald.


 
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Post by: mrssherlock on April 23, 2009, 04:36:05 PM
It was when I read Lolita that I first became fully aware of the different standards applied to literature by men and by women.  I have read where Lolita is thought to be funny  ??? and that Humbert Humbert needed sympathy.  We don't need to discuss that here and now but Lolita disturbed me and the idea of reading it again is disturbing.  I probably will not participate if that is the choice of the group.  Maybe that explains why I couldn't finish Reading Lolita in Teheran!
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Post by: Frybabe on April 24, 2009, 12:35:56 AM
It looks like our list is getting full up. I would still like to read the following from the last list:

The Bookseller of Kabul
The Story of Edgar Sawtelle
Look Homeward, Angel
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Post by: JoanP on April 24, 2009, 09:51:27 AM
Thanks, Frybabe!  This is getting very interesting!
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Post by: Frybabe on April 24, 2009, 10:27:46 AM
Yes, I know Joan. The books I listed from last time, I still would like to do, but there are several on the new list too I want to do. It is going to be an extremely tough decision.
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Post by: Pei Li on April 25, 2009, 08:15:44 PM
a late comer- so suggesting Bridge of Sighs is probably moot, but yes Reading Lolita an encourage lots of discussion- as can The Reader.  Yes I understand from a previous post that books and short stories that have been made into movies are not preferred, but I think the content/them etc. is worthy of discussion
thank you
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Post by: JoanP on April 25, 2009, 10:24:10 PM
Welcome, Pei, it is good to see you here.  - No, it's not too late.  We're open for nominations until April 30 - and then we'll  vote for the next book discussion - and also to see if there is sufficient interest in any of the other nominated titles for future discussion.

Bridge of Sighs...have you ever been to Venice?

http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/bridge-sighs/richard-russo (http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/bridge-sighs/richard-russo)
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Post by: mrssherlock on April 26, 2009, 09:13:33 AM
Joan:  Lumby Lines is a fun read which is why I mentioned it.  It is not literature.  I feel that it is not appropriate for consideration this time.  I'll save it for nomination sometime when we are looking for a funny, light read. 
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Post by: Frybabe on April 26, 2009, 12:55:25 PM
mrssherlock, please don't de-list Lumby Lines. Light and funny might be just what a lot of us want or need just now. If it isn't chosen now, it might just make it to a discussion later and can always be entered again next round. Reading the link, it reminded me of the Bob Newhart show set in a New England inn.

The link mentioned Garrison Keillor's books. I tried reading his first book about Lake Wobegon but couldn't get through it. His talent, I think, was in the verbal telling. The book read like his radio dialog and I just couldn't the hang of READING it well.

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Post by: Pei Li on April 26, 2009, 08:19:46 PM
No, sadly, have never been to Venice (though my son and daughter in law have--) but I am intrigued by this book. The 'town' could be anywhere USA not just upper New York State and I think the author has some very interesting and important points/issues he explores or reveals in this book and some nuances of the characters, especially Mr. Berg in his teaching role, in my experience are elements for a good discussion.

(oh sorry if too much in one post- but if not a single short story  as noted by I think poster Barbara, I think some of the more recent books of short stories by a single author explore interesting themes-- so even if one catches the attention- how that story unfolds in a larger body of work is also interesting.)

I am delighted I found this group and look forward to whatever the choice.
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Post by: JoanP on April 27, 2009, 05:44:00 AM
Pei, WELCOME!
We  look forward to hearing from you in future discussions.  Can you tell us how you found this site? There are  many interesting titles nominated this time, aren't there?

haha, Jackie, it seems that Frybabe has renominated Lumby Lines, after all.   ;D

 
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Post by: Pei Li on April 27, 2009, 07:50:52 PM
Yes lots of nominations and I look forward to the 'vote'
okay how I found this site-- I'd heard about seniornet and when I goodsearched (hopefully many people here use good search and earn $ for their charities) the seniornet site at the time wanted $ to sign up.  Like many seniors and certainly even non seniors in this economy paying to access an internet discussion was not feasible.  (oh and the political side of me sends a message to this rumor that most all internet sites will require fees soon)

then there is another senior group a neighbor told me about but for me not stimulating-- then recently got an email that informed me about this group specific to book discussions- sent me the link and so here I am.

isn't the internet just so amazing!
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Post by: Frybabe on April 27, 2009, 08:01:53 PM
Hi Pei Li. SeniorNet is where most of us came from. They narrowed their focus and dropped most or all of our wonderful discussions, so several of the former SeniorNet Administrators and Techies created this site and www.seniorsandfriends.org. This one is devoted to books and Latin language lessons. Seniors and Friends is more general in nature. It includes discussions of all kinds. A lot of us toggle back and forth between both. I particularly like to check in on the Classical music discussion group.
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Post by: mrssherlock on April 27, 2009, 09:19:27 PM
Pei Li:  I was so distressed when SeniorNet eliminated the internet discussion groups.  Like you, I am so glad that I found this site.  This community has become an important part of my life and lucky me now I have a new person to get to know. 
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Post by: Gumtree on April 28, 2009, 01:32:32 AM
Pei Li :  Hello to you - I'm sure you will get to love this site.  As mrssherlock says it's a community that has become important to each of us though probably in different ways for each. I love to come in and see what everyone is saying - sometimes I post and sometimes I don't but the connection, friendship and fellowship is always there - and no matter which book is chosen the discussion will be first-rate.
 
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Post by: Pei Li on April 28, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
dear Frybabe, Mrssherlock and Gumtree- thanks for welcome.  For me book discussion is a great way to communicate-- sorry to hear your disappointment about seniornet.

I am a slow reader and do not always remember to record title and author; but I read daily and always look forward to book recommendations.  I am open to fiction, nonfiction and lately since I am in a writing course have been more receptive to short stories- as I understand the craft better.

I am an inconsistent internet user, sometimes I get signed on every day then there are periods of time (for lots of reasons) that I cannot get to a computer and/or the internet.

so again thank you.
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Post by: fairanna on May 01, 2009, 10:53:04 AM
Well I have purchased and I dont have the books in front of me the one with potato in it , the one just finished again the name eludes me I  started to  read it with you but the death of a special person made it impossible I have the tea book and havent opened it but whatever you choose I will buy it and hope I can not only read it but enjoy discussing it with everyone .. I miss that  looking forward to spending hot summer days with you...fairanna
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Post by: Pei Li on May 01, 2009, 08:33:53 PM
using survey monkey a great idea!
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Post by: JoanP on May 01, 2009, 09:30:18 PM
I'm glad you like it Pei - it sure makes tabulating easier!  We're having a great response - and the poll hasn't even been open 24 hours.  The hard part is waiting to hear the results. 

Fairanna - you will love the one with the "Potato" in it!  You are the only one I know who is looking forward to the hot summer days! :D
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Post by: Mippy on May 03, 2009, 06:38:59 AM
Hi, everyone ... just found this space and plan to vote as soon as I read about the books.  Thanks!
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Post by: pedln on May 03, 2009, 06:33:08 PM
Anna, I will repeat JoanP.  You will love the book with potato in the title.  My f2f group is going to read it the 1st week in June, at our almost new, very much renovated library.  Since we'll have our own discussion room I'm pushing for a celebration with bar-b-que and that dish with potato in it.

And now to vote.  I know No. 1 for sure, not certain about no. 2 -- there is a no. 2?  I was tempted, but will not comment about a certain group of others on the list, as every book there has been well thought-out and will be enjoyed by many.
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Post by: ANNIE on May 05, 2009, 08:30:48 AM
I voted but it was hard to do with many good books on the list.  My first choice was Daniel Pearl's book.  Sounds like a winner to me.

JoanP,
Did we not already discuss "Reading Lolita in Tehran" a few years ago on the old site??? I seem to remember that one.

Where are my manners???  Welcome, Pei and others who are new to this wonderful site.
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Post by: JoanP on May 06, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
Good morning, Annie!
 Quite sure we never read Reading Lolita here or on SeniorNet.  Have you read it? It wasn't a finalist this go-round.
As often happens when there are so many nominations, the results tend to be scattered.  So that we come up with the title for the next discussion with the most interest, we have set up a new poll with the top FIVE contenders.  You will only get to vote for one of them this time.

Before opening your ballot, please be sure that you are familiar with the following titles so you know what they are each  about - (You can learn about them by clicking the title in the chart in the heading at the top of this page.)

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The Last Dickens by Pearl (read together with The Mystery of Edwin Drood by Dickens)
The Book Thief by Zusak
People of the Book by Brooks
Bridge of Sighs by Russo
The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by Wroblewski

 
VOTE  HERE: Run-off Vote for Future Book Discussions (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=sRwHjzi3QWJUqOTWw_2f1fNw_3d_3d)
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Post by: marcie on May 06, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
I finished reading the "unfinished" The Mystery of Edwin Drood by Dickens a few days ago. It was compelling. The development of the characters and the mystery element made it hard to put down. Dickens also introduced a new character to the book in the late chapters. I really want to know how Dickens would have finished the novel had he not died halfway through writing it. The novel is a satisfying read even though it wasn't completed and it makes me want to read more about it. I'm partway through Mathew Pearl's THE LAST DICKENS which pursues Dicken's life around the time of his writing the novel and what clues there might be to the resolution of the mystery he was writing. It's quite interesting and exciting.
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Post by: JoanP on May 08, 2009, 11:50:32 AM
I think so too, Marcie.  These are such good titles.  I'd like to discuss them all!   We're getting a good response from our participants - but there is still time to vote!
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Post by: JoanP on May 10, 2009, 08:56:26 PM
We've got several hours left before the vote closes - you won't believe this, but right now the two front-runners are tied - an exact tie!  I guess I could announce now, because we'll discuss both of them in the coming months.  But that might upset someone who has yet to vote - so I won't.  Can you guess which two are tied for the lead?
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Post by: Gumtree on May 11, 2009, 06:55:02 AM
My guess for the two front runners :

The People of the Book and the Dickens duo
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Post by: Frybabe on May 11, 2009, 11:19:54 AM
Great minds  ;D think alike, Gumtree. My guess exactly.
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Post by: JoanP on May 12, 2009, 07:32:35 AM
Well geee, Gum, Frybabe - maybe we can avoid the vote altogether the next time and ask you what you think most would enjoy - YOU BOTH picked the top two - three, actually!

The clear choice - Dickens' The Mystery of Edwin Drood and Geraldine Brooks' People of the Book.  What we are doing now is considering the schedule and lining up DLs..
Part of the Dickens'  package is Matthew Pearl's Last Dickens - we are checking with Matthew's schedule too.

Thanks to all for participating.  There were so many great titles to consider this time.  It was a difficult choice.  Don't worry, those titles will not fall off of the radar screen.  We've noted them and  will begin with those for our next vote.

In the meantime, please don't hesitate to include suggestions for future discussion and we will add them to our table of nominations.  Don't see earlier suggestions?  Just repeat them here and we'll add them!
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Post by: JudeS on May 12, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
Although  I suggested The Book Thief and  People of the Book I voted for Edwin Drood out of pure curiosity since I had read the other books and the adventure had already happened .  Edwin Drood was a trip not yet made and therefore  the one I ultimately chose since I am more curious about the content.

Are these books available in paperback or on Amazon , used? If not I will have my librarian try to track them down since they are not in my library.

Hi, ho !
Away we go.
Adventure awaits.
Unimagined fates
Will unfold.
And mysteries told.
(I was in a creative mood so please excuse this doggerel))



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Post by: marcie on May 12, 2009, 02:41:19 PM
Jude, I love your rhyme. The Mystery of Edwin Drood is available for reading online at several places. One is the Gutenberg Project at http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/564

Used copies of The Last Dickens and The People of the book are available at many places, including http://www.alibris.com

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Post by: Mippy on May 13, 2009, 06:54:53 AM
Good mornin'  everyone  from sunny Medfield, MA
       just a minor question...  looked back a couple of pages but could not see any note about when the book(s) are going to be discussed ...  it must have been mentioned way back several pages ...   June or July?   I hope I'll find time to participate, and will order the one by Pearl immediately.    These were my vote, by the way.   Dickens is a terrific choice.    :D
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Post by: EvelynMC on May 13, 2009, 11:57:02 AM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif) 

Polls are now open to choose  Bookclub Online titles for JULY and AUGUST Discussion!

VOTE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)



Title
Author
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/harcour2.html)                    Clemens
The Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)                    Kingsolver
Frankenstein (http://books.google.com/books?id=1kdBB08BuMQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=frankenstein+mary+shelley+summary&hl=en&ei=MqLgS9SOGIa8lQeWgLHwCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)                    Shelley
Dracula (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Norton-Critical-Editions-Stoker/dp/0393970124)                    Stoker
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers (http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1)                    Warner




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
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Post by: EvelynMC on May 13, 2009, 11:59:11 AM
I was also curious when this discussion will start.  I voted for both of these books so am looking forward to reading it with all of you.

Evelyn
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Post by: serenesheila on May 13, 2009, 04:14:47 PM
I am curious, how did the rest of the proposed books rank in the vote?  It seems to me that they are all worth being discussed.

Sheila
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Post by: JoanP on May 13, 2009, 04:18:25 PM
Sheila, I'll post that this evening.  Right now I'm trying to line up the DLs for the two that came in at the top of the list.
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Post by: JudeS on May 14, 2009, 05:02:41 PM
I really don't know where to post this but I came across an ad in The New Yorker Magazine about a contest to take your Book Club to Guernsey in honor of the book we have read"The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society' by Mary Ann Shaffer.
To enter just go to the following E-Mail address thru Google:
Takeyourbookclubtoguernsey.com
Please spread the word or let me know what is the appropriate site to put this notice.
 I already entered. You never know how Lady luck will roll.
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Post by: JoanP on May 14, 2009, 05:26:42 PM
How very interesting, Jude!  Wouldn't that be something?  How would we ever agree which six of our club would be eligible to go - should we win, of course!  Well, okay, l first things first - you've entered - I will too - and will scatter this around.  Perhaps in the Library.

And maybe in the Book Bytes which should go out to all Bookies tomorrow.  what fun!

Here are the Official Random House Rules of the game (http://www.randomhouse.com/rhpg/guernsey/rules.html)

It's simple, really simple to register!
If you participated in the Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society discussion, please please register here - the six lucky members of our SeniorLearn Book Club could win an all expense paid trip to Guernsey this fall!

Remember, you can enter as often as once a day!

Win a Bookclub trip to Guernsey this fall (http://www.randomhouse.com/rhpg/guernsey/sweepstakes/)

Thanks, Jude!

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Post by: JoanP on May 15, 2009, 02:23:18 PM
Shelia, the five titles you see in the header were the semi-finalists.  I agree, they would all be worth discussing. Though the Dickens'  books and People of the Book were way ahead of the other three.  I think we'll keep the other titles on the list and then after we discuss the top two, we'll vote again to see if they still hold the interest of the majority.  Often we see a change after a few months.

Evelyn, I think we'll do Geraldine Brooks People of the Book in July and then, depending on the author Matthew Pearl's availability, we'll do the two Dickens'  books in August.  If Matthew is not available, we may have to postpone Dickens until October and come up with other selections for August and September.  Does this make any sense? :D
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Post by: retired on May 17, 2009, 04:39:03 PM
I agree with the suggestion of the Novel " The White Tiger ".
The author Aravind Adiga is a native of India and now resides in th USA.
It is his first novel and was selected for the Man Booker award for 2008.
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Post by: EvelynMC on May 17, 2009, 06:12:38 PM
JoanP,

People of the Book in July is fine with me.

I wanted to take part in the Night Villa discussion in June, so I'm glad we are waiting until July for Peope of the Book.

The Dickens in August or whenever is fine too.

All of the selections were good choices!  It was hard to choose.

Evelyn
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Post by: fureteur on May 18, 2009, 04:05:42 AM
I wonder if there would be any interest in discussing the Alexandria Quartet by the English author, Lawrence Durrell?  The Quartet is composed of four different novels, Justine, Balthazar, Mountolive and Clea which are set in Alexandria, Egypt during the thirties, as I recall, and the collection is a tale of love in the twentieth century, although not the kind of romantic love those unfamiliar with Durrell's work might think.  As I recall, Durrell's first publisher declined to publish the Quartet, concerned that it would not be accepted by the general public and would be deemed too sexually explicit and permissive for the time, the early sixties, as I remember.

The stories are powerful in their narrative and the reader's attention is required throughout the series as the conflicts and potent emotions of the principals is woven by the author.

What is fascinating to me about the author is that in addition to the The Quartet, he also wrote some of the most delightful caricatures of the English diplomatic service in some short stories, including Stiff Upper Lip, Bitter Lemons and Esprit de Corps, quick, easy reads which are delightful and it's a something of a surprise that these tales came from the same author.
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Post by: JoanP on May 19, 2009, 10:13:04 PM
Retired - welcome to SeniorLearn.  I'm going to add White Tiger to our new list for consideration in the next vote.  In the meantime, I hope you will consider reading and discussing Carol Goodman's Night Villas in June (the author is joining in that discussion) and then Geraldine Brooks intriguing People of the Book in July.  Welcome!

I agree, it is a difficult choice in that voting booth, Evelyn!

Fureteur, there's one way to find out!  We'll enter Durrell into the header and vote on him the next time.  Perhaps we could start with Justine and if there is interest discussing the other three, we could continue?  Thank you!
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Post by: Pei Li on May 20, 2009, 08:59:06 PM
ok sorry have been away- who won?
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Post by: JoanP on May 20, 2009, 11:15:19 PM
hahaha, scroll up to the top of the page - Pei!

We'll start with People of the Book in July!  Welcome back!
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Post by: HaroldArnold on June 10, 2009, 11:32:08 AM
Regarding the Alexandria Quartet by the English author, Lawrence Durrell?

I read all four of them in the sixties.  I can't say they were easy reading, but they were interesting in a mysterious middle east sort of way.  The city of Alexandria was ever present as each story unfolded.  Also the Coptic Christian status of some of the leading characters in a predominate Islamic society figured in the stories.  I don't really see the Quartet as a discussion prospect today. 
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Post by: JoanP on June 11, 2009, 03:59:04 PM
I hear what you are saying about the Alexandria Quartet, Harold - good for certain individuals, but not necessarily for group discussion.  Will keep this in mind.  Thanks!
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Post by: bellemere on July 06, 2009, 08:46:05 PM
Is this the place to recommend?  I would recommend the Alexandria Quartet; or at least get started with "Justine"   then vote whether we want to continue with the rest of the series.  I need a group discussion on it.
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Post by: bellemere on July 07, 2009, 09:30:53 AM
I suggest Justine, the first book in the Alexandria Quartet, with the rest to follow by consensus.
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Post by: JoanP on July 07, 2009, 10:41:42 AM
Thank you, Bellemere.  Let's do that - consider "Justine"  for future discussion.  And go from there.  Will add the suggestion to the chart for our next vote.

Please everyone, don't forget to look into the discussion of the past winner - Gernaldine Brooks' People of the Book, beginning July 15.  Hopefully the author will find the time to respond to some of our questions and comments via email - as she is travelling abroad during our discussion of her book.

The Prediscussion is going on right now.  You are all welcome to participate! 

Prediscussion for The People of the Book (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=64.0)
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Post by: bellemere on August 16, 2009, 05:46:31 PM
On the strengty of a review in the New York Times today, I would like to receommend
Zeitoun, a true story of a family during and after Hurricane Katrina, by Dave Eggers.  He is emerging as a major talent .  After reading his What is the What about Sudanese boy refugees, I am eager for this next one.
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Post by: JoanP on August 17, 2009, 10:36:19 PM
Bellemere, you have certainly provided some interesting titles for discussion.  Since we are now looking for a good discussion title for November - and December, I think we are getting ready for a vote.

This must be the New York Times article  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/books/review/Egan-t.html)  you refer to.  I had to smile, as we are discussing Dickens' Mystery of Edwin Drood in September, followed by Matthew Pearl's literary fiction of the same story - "The Last Dickens."   The author of the New York Times article invokes Charles Dickens in his description of Zeitoun.  It sounds fascinating.  Have you been to New Orleans since the hurricane?
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Post by: elizabeth84 on August 23, 2009, 02:18:23 PM
my grandson writes his letters like this and i begin to think it is a new artform when we want to lovingly reread a grand classic i suggest we read kim by rudyard kipling it is basically a tale of two exceptional male characters one old one young making their way through an incredible and colorful india both are intelligent compassionate   creative people relying on each others love the politics of india russia and britain never grow old it seems and are the backbone of this book i enjoyed reading it again and would doubly enjoy reading all your comments and extra information
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Post by: JoanP on August 24, 2009, 08:27:26 AM
Thanks, Elizabeth!  Isn't this a remarkable discussion?  I've thought of Kipling over the years, though not what has been considered his best work, Kim.  We need to start thinking of our featured November and December discussion.  We'll need to discuss the nominated titles more and perhaps add new ones before we vote.  Again, thanks!
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Post by: PatH on August 24, 2009, 07:57:32 PM
I recently reread "Kim" for a f2f book discussion.  It was a favorite when I was growing up, and I wasn't disappointed rereading it after some decades.
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Post by: marcie on August 24, 2009, 10:52:28 PM
Thanks for the recommendation of Rudyard Kipling, Elizabeth. That's good to hear, PatH, that the book held up for your reading as an adult.
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Post by: marcie on August 31, 2009, 12:25:10 PM
Everyone who voted for THE MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD--and there were quite a few-- please join us in the discussion that starts tomorrow. The text of the book is available online. The discussion is at http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=693.80

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Post by: mrssherlock on August 31, 2009, 12:49:40 PM
My sunt's estate included a two-volume book club set of Kipling's writings.  Short stories, poems, etc.  He was quite a story teller and even his children's stories, i.e., The Jungle Book, captivated me.  Here is a review of Kipling's stories and poems, including Gunga Din, a good example of his views of the India of his time.  http://brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/reviews.detail/book_id/622  Nostalgia for Kipling, I'll re-read some of the stories, poems and novels.  Pook stories were great fantasies about the Roman Occupation.  Many of his stories and poems are about the British Occupation of India.  So many movies have been made from his stories!  Partly, I suppose, because they were in the public domain and therefore free.
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Post by: marcie on August 31, 2009, 04:01:24 PM
Thanks for the interesting link, Jackie.
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Post by: JoanP on September 15, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
Traudee just asked to add Richard Russo's  That Old Cape Magic to the list for consideration in an upcoming discussion.  Interested?  That makes two of his up on the list. (http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/old-cape-magic/richard-russo)
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Post by: Frybabe on September 15, 2009, 10:53:15 AM
That Old Cape Magic sounds like a very thought provoking book.
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Post by: elizabeth84 on September 16, 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Thanks  Jackie for the link to the Bros Judd site about Kipling--an interesting article with ideas I hold myself.

I think  I'll add some Kipling to my current "stack" and maybe I'll start with Pook--which I couldn't get into as a kid.
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Post by: JoanP on September 17, 2009, 08:57:07 AM
Frybabe, we've just put a proposal out for a November discussion of  That Old Cape Magic - looking to see if we have a quorum.  The title is a link if you are interested in learning more. (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=73.0)
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Post by: JoanP on September 17, 2009, 09:00:40 AM
Thanks, for the link, Jackie. Elizabeth 78 - there appears to be growing interest in Kipling among our participants.  Stay tuned.

Everyone, if you have a title you would like to see included in a vote, and don't see it in the proposed titles in the heading, please post here - we'll be happy to include it.
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Post by: HaroldArnold on September 17, 2009, 11:55:51 AM
Regarding Rudyard Kipling: Who here has read his "American Notes?" This is Kipling’s travel log account of his trip through the U.S in 1889.  It seems in his work as an editor on an Indian English Newspaper he had embarrassed certain high officials or the Imperial Indian Government administration.  His publisher thought it best he leave India for a while.   The result was a long extended trip through the U.S.  He arrived in San Francisco via Japan by steamship.  Some of the scenes cover 1889 San Francisco with a Visit to a Chinese Opium Den where he witnessed a murder, then a train trip up the coast to the mouth of the Columbia where he toured a Tuna cannery built on pilings over the river.  Then came a wild train ride east to early Yellowstone National Park, and on to the east for a unique Englishman’s accout of late 19th century America, Americans, and their culture.

I have a hard cover edition of the book now out of print, but the book should be available at most libraries and an inexpensive paperback seems available from Barnes & Noble.  http://search.barnesandnoble.com/American-Notes/Rudyard-Kipling/e/9781406503081/?itm=2&usri=1


Is anybody interested?
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Post by: PatH on September 17, 2009, 02:47:24 PM
I would be interested both in "Kim" and the "American Notes".
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on September 17, 2009, 03:17:25 PM
Harold, I just reserved the book at my library for a prelude to a discussion and am sure I would be interested.
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Post by: marcie on September 17, 2009, 03:37:35 PM
I too would be interested in both "Kim" and "American Notes." I'm glad you suggested them, Harold.
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Post by: Aberlaine on September 18, 2009, 12:13:42 PM
With the possibility of a flu pandemic around the corner, Geraldine Brooks' book The Year of Wonder might be an interesting read.  I thought it was better than March.
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Post by: JoanP on September 18, 2009, 12:16:32 PM
Will you tell a little something about Year of Wonders, Nancy?
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Post by: mrssherlock on September 18, 2009, 02:52:34 PM
Year of Wonder is waiting for my pick up at the library.
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Post by: PatH on September 19, 2009, 07:03:41 PM
I bought "Year of Wonders" last week because I liked "People of the Book", and the subject interests me.  It's about an English village in 1666 trying to deal with the plague.  The heroine is a housemaid who will play an important role in the battle.  If you scroll down in this link, you get Amazon's review.

http://www.amazon.com/Year-Wonders-Geraldine-Brooks/dp/0142001430/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253400639&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Year-Wonders-Geraldine-Brooks/dp/0142001430/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253400639&sr=1-1)

Jackie, did you read Connie Willis' "Doomsday Book"?  Maybe you were the one that recommended it to me.  (It's a book about a time-traveling historian who accidentally gets sent back to a village during the Black Death and has to deal.)
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Post by: mrssherlock on September 20, 2009, 10:38:07 AM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif) 

Polls are now open to choose  Bookclub Online titles for JULY and AUGUST Discussion!

VOTE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)



Title
Author
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/harcour2.html)                    Clemens
The Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)                    Kingsolver
Frankenstein (http://books.google.com/books?id=1kdBB08BuMQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=frankenstein+mary+shelley+summary&hl=en&ei=MqLgS9SOGIa8lQeWgLHwCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)                    Shelley
Dracula (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Norton-Critical-Editions-Stoker/dp/0393970124)                    Stoker
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers (http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1)                    Warner




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
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Post by: JoanR on September 21, 2009, 10:34:01 AM
Connie Willis is such a fine writer!  I wish that her books were not considered "genre fiction" - that limits her audience. The Doomsday Book was one of her best.
I would like to nominate " The Year of Wonders" by Geraldine Brooks as a book for discussion.  I see that Pat has already posted a link to a review!  Thank you!
I bought a nice hardcover copy at a house sale a month or so ago, figuring that it would certainly be up for a discussion someday.  Also  my esteemed sister has been talking it up for quite a while!!!  I'm very involved with Dickens right now, so have been holding off on reading my prize find.
 I would love to read it with company!!
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Post by: JoanP on September 22, 2009, 10:09:18 AM
JoanR - a fine nomination.  We love Geraldine Brooks!
By the way - I hope to see you in the discussion of Matthew Pearl's Last Dickens.  We have the author in there in the prediscussion already - he's raring to go - BUT we need participants - such as yourself!
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Post by: marcie on September 28, 2009, 02:59:40 PM
I know that we have some avid science fiction fans here but the following collection could appeal to others who like interesting fiction. I'd like to nominate a short story collection by Isaac Asimov, master of science fiction, who was a prolific writer, not only of science fiction. I, Robot (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/I-Robot/Isaac-Asimov/e/9780553382563/?itm=2&USRI=i+robot%2c+asimov) is a collection of nine stories about humanoid robots and how people react to them and explore moral behavior in light of robots. The stories are linked together as the narrator, a reporter, interviews Dr. Susan Calvin, chief robopsychologist at U.S. Robots and Mechanical Men, Inc., the major manufacturer of robots. One of the stories introduces the famous "Three Laws of Robotics" which govern robot-human interaction.

We could also talk about the film by the same name, which was inspired by several of the stories.

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Post by: marcie on September 28, 2009, 03:06:50 PM
I haven't read a Connie Willis story yet but your enthusiasm for The Doomsday Book has me wanting to read it. It sounds like it might have similarities to Michael Crichton's "Timeline."
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Post by: mrssherlock on September 28, 2009, 03:19:21 PM
I haven't read Timeline so I can't comment about it.  Doomsday is about a university History Department experiment to send a graduate student back to medeval times.  There are parallel tracks, the students adventures alternating with the goings on in the world she left behind.  I have read it several times.  No I have to read Chrichton's book; just what I need, another bookto read ;D
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Post by: mrssherlock on September 28, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
There are too many choices!  I want to read them all.  We really ought to in include Geraldine Brooks' March; it is very special. 
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Post by: marcie on September 28, 2009, 04:22:32 PM
mrssherlock, If you enjoy Crichton's books, I think you'll like Timeline. It's about a small group of specialists in various areas of 14th-century history. They are trying to rebuild two ancient castles at an archeological site in France. The hi-tech company funding the research decides it wants more immediate results in the restoration, and that's where the time travel/parallel worlds comes in. It's quite an adventure story with lots of references to the medieval world. There also was a movie, based on the book, with the same name. I haven't seen it yet but have been meaning to do so.
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Post by: JoanP on September 29, 2009, 09:52:04 AM
Oh such good suggestions!  I'll try to get them all into the table in the heading in time for the vote next week.  If I miss someone, please post here -

Still open for more nominations, though the clock is ticking!
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Post by: PatH on September 29, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
The way Doomsday Book and Year of Wonders are alike is that they both deal with the plague in small villages--Doomsday in the 1300s, and Year in the 1600s, so there is similarity of a lot of details, but where Doomsday has the time travel and parallelism between two times, Year is supposedly a straightforward journal of a woman living through it at the time.
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Post by: mrssherlock on September 29, 2009, 01:03:57 PM
IMHO the experience of the village during the plague is much sharper and more emotional in Doomsday than in Year.  While the time travel is a major element in Doomsday it is the tragedy of the villagers that is most memorable to me.  I'm not disappoint in Year, it simply is not the powerful story that Doomsday is nor are the characters as distinct or as memorable.  The realities of the feudal life is sharper, has more impact to my senses.  I could go on and on but I won't.
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Post by: PatH on September 29, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
I'm with you there, Jackie.  After you read Doomsday Book you feel like you've been run over by a truck, and you can't get it out of your head for days.
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Post by: ANNIE on September 29, 2009, 01:43:26 PM
Hi to all,
JoanP, as you know, I have a non-fiction title and hope to discuss it in January.  My library has finally started taking reservations and I am #1 on the list.  Should I be putting the title and author in here or keep it to myself until I read it??
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Post by: JoanP on September 29, 2009, 06:23:39 PM
Annie, I think that's your call.  It would be a bit unusual to put up a title for a vote if you haven't read it yet - and yet it would be a good way to test the water to see if there is interest.  Do you want to talk about it here, without putting it up for a vote?  Like folks are talking about Connie Willis' The Doomsday Book  - without actually nominating it.  PatH - you felt as if you had been run over by a truck after reading it?  That's how I felt after reading Cormac McCarthy's The Road.  (Has anyone been brave enough to see the movie?)
Am I right - no one has nominated Doomsday for discussion?
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Post by: JoanR on September 29, 2009, 07:53:16 PM
I will nominate Connie Willis"s Doomsday Book!  I did like it better than Year of Wonders but I hesitated because I feared that it would be labeled "genre" and might not draw enough votes.  I do wish we could do away with such labels - but the publishers and reviewers seem to keep up the practice, not to mention the shelving practices of bookstores and libraries. 
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Post by: JoanP on September 29, 2009, 08:20:42 PM
Thanks, JoanR.  From reading the reviews just now, The Doomsday book sounds like something that would work very well in a group discussion!
Hope to see you in Matthew Pearl's Last Dickens on Thursday...
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Post by: retired on October 01, 2009, 02:00:19 PM
My vote is for" The Story Of Edgar Sawtelle"for a future discussion pick. I know it was an Oprah Book Club Selection in The Recent past.

I would like to suggest we consider her most recent Book Club choice for a future discussion.  Say You're One Of Them " by Uwem Akpan . An African author . Thse are short stories and received excellent reviews from readers listings on amazon .com

I have not read either book I have identified here and would like to read these selections as part of a group discussion. 
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Post by: Aberlaine on October 01, 2009, 06:10:30 PM
Quite a selection!  I'd be happy with most of them, so I'm not going to nominate one of my own.  But I will be back to vote, and possibly discuss.

Nancy
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Post by: JoanP on October 01, 2009, 08:25:00 PM
Nancy, there are some wonderful titles here - and as you say, quite a few!  I'm thinking of doing things a bit differently this time - how about asking folks to tick all the titles they would be interested in discussing in the future months - and see where we are then.  It would be a good way to assess interest - and narrow the list.

Retired, I've added your recent nomination.  Thank you! Will wait a few more days to be sure we hear from all who are interested in nominating titles that do not appear on this list. 

 
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Post by: marcie on October 01, 2009, 09:35:58 PM
Joan, I think that having our first vote be for ALL the titles which we'd be interested to discuss is a great idea.
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 01, 2009, 10:38:38 PM
Joan:  If I understand you correctly we would vote on more than one book (for example three) and those with the most votes would be scheduled over the next few months.  That seems to be a good way to whittle the list down,
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Post by: JoanP on October 02, 2009, 12:37:48 PM
Well, it might come to that, Jackie.  I'd like to start by having folks tick off all the titles they'd be likely to participate in - and see how many of them are in the running...   We won't know until we try that.  Just an idea.
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Post by: kidsal on October 05, 2009, 11:33:34 AM
Last year I participated in a book discussion with our local college.  The subject was science fiction and I thought what on earth will we talk about?  Was amazed at how much discussion resulted.
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Post by: JoanP on October 05, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
kidsal, tell more!  We've been talking about getting up a discussion of a sci fi book.  There's a nomination here for Asimov's short stories - a collection of nine - I, Robot.

We're about ready for a poll - any more nominations?  Don't delay!
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Post by: PatH on October 05, 2009, 08:22:08 PM
JoanP, I really like your idea of having a preliminary vote in which people say which books they are actually interested in discussing.  Then on the next round we will only be voting for books that have a real chance.
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Post by: PatH on October 05, 2009, 08:25:07 PM
Kidsal, what did you talk about in that discussion.  Maybe you'd like to tell us in the sci-fi discussion.

http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=81.0 (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=81.0)
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 05, 2009, 11:36:44 PM
The Doomsday Book is considered to be Sf also, I believe.
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Post by: kidsal on October 08, 2009, 11:46:58 PM
You asked about my experience with our venture into science fiction at our community college book discussion group.  Our discussion leader was a science fiction fan and the rest of us had never read this type of book.

The first book we read was Neuromancer by William Gibson.  This was primarily a crime story with futuristic technology.  Our primary discussion was how technology had/would in the future impact our lives. 
One of the books (I can’t remember the title because I destroyed my notes) concerned a family living in a part of city walled in to keep out those who were poor.  Outside the walls people were killing one another for food.  Members of the family were killed as they went outside the walls and finally the girl and her boyfriend, realizing that they would soon be attacked, plotted their escape.  The girl was determined to establish her own religion and that is part of the plot.  They set out, gathering members as they travel north to Oregon, trying to avoid the starving mobs along the road.  At one place they come across a town that is run by a company.  The walls are guarded and the employees must buy all supplies from “the company store.”  So in reading this story we discussed religion, what we would do to survive, the issue of working for the “company store” which is part of our history, and whether or not we would kill others for food/shelter.

I was surprised that we could find so much to talk about.
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Post by: marcie on October 09, 2009, 01:09:32 AM
Kidsal, Many thanks for describing the science fiction discussion in which you participated. The second book that you describe sounds like "Parable of the Sower" by Octavia Butler. She was an amazingly imaginative writer. I think that William Gibson is an amazing writer also. Their styles are very different but both portray fully detailed worlds that portray the outcomes of various social issues.
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 09, 2009, 01:05:13 PM
Reading SF has given me a world view that is vastly more optimistic than reality would suggest.  For one thing I have lived hundreds of lives in settings ranging over the Universe.  For another I have lived in societies with every possible political variation that can be imagined.  Also I have witnessed the utmost disasters, been one of the handsful of survivors who struggle to keep mankind alive.  I have also walked in the footsteps of saurians, Neanderthals,  insectoids, and beings who cannot be categorized.  How could I not believe in all that is best in the human spirit?   
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Post by: Frybabe on October 09, 2009, 01:40:28 PM
Well spoken, mrssherlock!
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Post by: JoanR on October 09, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
Oh, I do love what you said, Jackie!!  I'm sure that you will be quoted often!!
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Post by: marcie on October 09, 2009, 03:50:31 PM
jackie, I, too, appreciate what you said about your reading of science fiction.
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Post by: JoanP on October 10, 2009, 05:43:51 PM
Jackie, we've noted your quote up in one of the News Lines at the top of the page?  Well said! I'm sure there are many who will agree with you!

We are so close to putting out the titles for you all to consider and check off for future discussion - but there is a last minute entry. a novel by Katherine Howe called,  The Physick Book of Deliverance Dane suggested by our October guest author, Matthew Pearl in the Last Dickens discussion.

  This is a tale of New England grad-student life in 1991 and the Salem witch hunts in 1692. The story follows several sets of mothers and daughters: Connie and Grace, Grace and Sophia, Deliverance and Mercy, Mercy and Prudence. Each of these women have different points of view, and they often have trouble communicating across the generations.

Here's  Katherine Howe's website - I think it's fun to "play"  with - http://katherinehowe.com

And quite  a good review by the Washington Post's Carolyn See (http://www.miamiherald.com/living/story/1119313.html?storylink=mirelated)...

Let us know what you think?  Shall we add it to our list for consideration?  We may be able to get the author to participate.
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Post by: salan on October 10, 2009, 07:08:52 PM
I like the idea of presenting a number of books for us to vote on.  I read The Book Thief and think it would make a really good discussion book.  I am familiar with a number of books on the current list.

I am not really a fan of Science Fiction, although, I really enjoyed all the "Dragon Rider" books by Anne Mccaffrey.  I am looking forward to the book proposals.

Sally
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Post by: PatH on October 10, 2009, 08:27:47 PM
Sally, I hope you will vote here.  There is a lot of overlap between your club and here.  We've already read "The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel society", "Loving Frank", and the "Thirteenth Tale", and it's good to have your impression of "The Book Thief".

I think what will happen is that we will shortly have a first round vote to narrow the field, then go on from there.

If you liked Anne McCaffrey, there are lots of her fans on the Sci-fi site.
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 11, 2009, 09:02:53 AM
Oh, Pat, how could you?  A fascinating premise plus possibly author participation  (Hows 'that for alliteration?)   .As if we needed another choice in this already overpopulated field.  Oh, well, that's life - feast or famine.
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Post by: JoanP on October 11, 2009, 09:49:49 AM
A Special Announcement -
We've just opened a poll to assess interest in a number of titles for upcoming Book Discussions.
IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION, the titles in the header of the Suggestion Box   (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=309.msg41589#msg41589) are links to reviews.
PLEASE MARK AS MANY TITLES THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO DISCUSS in depth in the coming months. (We're looking for a number of titles)

WHEN YOU ARE READY, THE POLL IS HERE
 (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=GY5huAKPlhGJzIlGtuN3wQ_3d_3d)
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 11, 2009, 12:49:23 PM
JOANP, I voted for Year of Wonder by Geraldine Brooks and, of course, I must tell you that (as you know) I am not a good reader of fiction, but that one looks good.  It is somewhat historical along with the story and I read the first chapter on my Library site.  I think I would have no trouble getting it, so.............

And, of course, as with everyone else it depends on when we discuss it.  I have a couple of upcoming small trips planned, so........... 
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Post by: PatH on October 11, 2009, 01:34:08 PM
I ended up voting for about half of the titles.  I can hardly wait to see the results.
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Post by: JoanP on October 11, 2009, 02:11:17 PM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif) 

Polls are now open to choose  Bookclub Online titles for JULY and AUGUST Discussion!

VOTE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)



Title
Author
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/harcour2.html)                    Clemens
The Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)                    Kingsolver
Frankenstein (http://books.google.com/books?id=1kdBB08BuMQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=frankenstein+mary+shelley+summary&hl=en&ei=MqLgS9SOGIa8lQeWgLHwCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)                    Shelley
Dracula (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Norton-Critical-Editions-Stoker/dp/0393970124)                    Stoker
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers (http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1)                    Warner




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 11, 2009, 03:38:04 PM
There were so many but I restrained myself, voted for four or five.  It will be along wait.  When will the book we choose be scheduled?  Seems like we could do more than one book at a time.  Right now all we're deoing is The Last Dickens, right?
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Post by: Janice on October 11, 2009, 03:40:33 PM
I guess my reading moves along a different line.  I didn't seem interested in any of them, although I've read a few of them already. 
Have a great Autumn and enjoy the books.
Janice
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Post by: marcie on October 11, 2009, 03:56:02 PM
Janice, is there a book you've read or are interested in reading, that you'd recommend to us for discussion?
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Post by: PatH on October 11, 2009, 04:06:04 PM
Yes, JoanP, there are 2 good sci fi books on that list, of rather different types; should be adequate for testing the interest.
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Post by: JudeS on October 11, 2009, 07:35:12 PM
Dear Friends
I have been absent from this site for too long.  My Writing class is putting out a book and I am on the committee to get that book out.  In past years I have just contributed stories but didn't realize how much work it was to get the whole thing finished.  Besides polishing my own contributions (four stories and three poems) there is so much to do, especially raising money to see the project published appropriately.  At present we have more than 350 pages.  This Thursday is the final date for entries.
One of the committees most experienced members broke her leg and tore a ligament.  Her sister, who also was prominent in publishing the other four books for this class is caring for her.  Therefore the rest of the committee is overburdened  I will be back with you wonderful folks when this project is finished.
Best wishes
Jude S (Judy Shernock) 
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Post by: marcie on October 11, 2009, 09:10:37 PM
Judy, what an ambitious undertaking. It sounds like a wonderful, though stressful, project. I hope the book is ready to be published soon.
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Post by: Gumtree on October 12, 2009, 01:31:22 AM
JudyS:  We've missed you! Good luck with the book - I've been there once or twice myself so have some idea of what you're into. thankfully it always comes to an end.  ;D

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Post by: Gumtree on October 12, 2009, 01:37:22 AM
I've voted too and ticked about 6 titles. I'm not into sci-fi so it was easy to count those out. I've read several of the others - Zusak and Brookes and Durrell - they'll all present plenty of discussion material. And yes, it will be a long wait for the results.
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Post by: JoanP on October 12, 2009, 11:42:14 AM
My, we are getting quite a response to the poll already - and it just went out yesterday!   Remember, this is not a vote - it's just a poll to assess interest in the nominated titles. You'll have to wait until next Sunday to learn the titles of the finalists.

 If you want to suggest a different title for consideration, you may post it here if you wish - and we'll keep it for the next list.~

Hey Juuuude....!  We've all missed you!  (Everytime the AARP magazine comes out, I wonder about you! ;) ) It's good to know you are okay - swamped, but that's good, isn't it?  We're looking forward to your return.  By the way, I'd love a copy of the book you are working on - is it for sale?

Missing you too, Gum!  Hope things go well with you and yours~

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Post by: mrssherlock on October 14, 2009, 11:51:42 AM
This morning on NPR's Morning Edition occurred an interview about how much has changed for women economicdally in the last 50 years.  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113764557  Author Gail Colins, the first woman to be editorial page editor of the NYTimes, has written When Everything Changed: The Amazing Journey of American Women from 1960 to the Present  Since I was born in 1935 this encompasses almost all of my adulthood.  Sounds like we could find one or two topics here for a discussion.
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Post by: JoanP on October 21, 2009, 04:44:57 PM
Jackie - I'm on the run right now - but when I come back, I'll get up a new nomination chart and the first entry will be When Everything Changed
.  It has been amazing ride since 1960, hasn't it?

Right now, I've got the results of last week's poll which ended Sunday.  Goodness, it's Wednesday already. Sorry to be so late.

Here are the results. Next to the title you can see the number of folks who would be interested in participating in a discussion of the book -  

The Book Thief by Zusak  19
 Bridge of Sighs by Russo 11
The Doomsday Book by Willis   8
I, Robot (short stories) by Asimov   12
Justine (Alexandria Quartet) by Durrell   12
Kim by Kipling   19
March by Brooks   13
Say You're One of Them by Uwem Akpan   7
The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by Wroblewski   18
White Tiger by Adiga   13
Year of Wonders by Brooks   8
Zeitoun by Eggers  8.7% 4
The Physick Book of Deliverance Dane by Howe  21.7% 10

December is for a very special surprise - which you will hear about very soon.  We think you will love it.

Starting January we will be discussing the top three in the poll - we need to coordinate with the DLs' schedules.

The Book Thief by Zusak  19
Kim by Kipling   19 (January)
The Story of Edgar Sawtelle by Wroblewski   18

We will begin January with Kipling's Kim, led by PatH and JoanK - you may know these are twin sisters, one living on in Maryland, the other CA.  I think this is the first time we've had twins leading a discussion.  They grew up loving Kim, so what could be more special.  

Other surprises in the works too - stay tuned!

ps - don't worry, we've noted the interest in many of the other titles and are discussing  them for the next year too.
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Post by: Frybabe on October 21, 2009, 05:28:06 PM
Am I ever glad I don't have to make a decision on just one of these JoanP. It would be next to impossible. I am looking forward to discussing all three.
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 22, 2009, 12:05:03 PM
I've read both Kim and The Story of Edgar Sawtelle and am looking forward toThe Book Thief.  All good choices.  It is disappointing that some others I've loved won't be shared and discussed with this daunting group of minds, but c'est la vie, n'est ce pas?
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Post by: JoanP on October 22, 2009, 12:23:26 PM
Which ones will you miss discussing, Jackie?  Naming some of them - might lead to something...
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Post by: Gumtree on October 22, 2009, 12:31:35 PM
I've read Kim and The Book Thief - they'll both provide plenty to discuss and are so different from each other. I'll be lurking around in January.  ;D
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 22, 2009, 02:17:49 PM
Kim is so timely as it concerns Afghanistan.  There is a DVD with a BBC version of Kim available; maybe we could talk about that, too.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087557/

The books I'll miss discussing are The Doomsday Book and March.  There are too many choices and we can't read them all.  it would be nice to schedule them like F2Fs do, for a whole year, and assign moderators for each, but that would rule out any new books that will come out during that time.  It seems that the process here to establish a discussion group is difficult.  I can understand that the chief resource, a DL, is limited; but spontaneity is lacking, sadly that feeling of the delightful sharing of a new found treasure gets lost.

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Post by: Frybabe on October 22, 2009, 08:14:13 PM
My local used book store just happened to have a copy of The Book Thief. She seems not to have Kim right now, but I can get that freebie off of Project Guttenberg. The Story of Edgar Sawtelle has been in my TBR pile for months.
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Post by: Gumtree on October 23, 2009, 01:34:18 AM
I bought The Book Thief when it first came out. It was the book chosen for our annual summer arts festival a few years back. All libraries hosted discussion groups,displays etc  and Zusak was here for the Writers Week.  It was on everyone's lips for quite a while - two of my F2F groups discussed it. I'll be interested to see how I view it now.

Kim is somewhere on my shelves.

So I'm ready!
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Post by: JoanP on October 24, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
Gum, Marj, Jackie - really looking forward to discussing these books with you in the future.  Jackie, I understand what you are saying.  Believe me, we have noted your comment and trying to figure out a way to accomodate.

I felt the same way about The Physick Book of Deliverance Dane - although I understood why there weren't more votes for it - the suggestion came at the 11th hour - and not many of the 46 respondants had heard anything about it.  I still think it would be a good discussion -
Maybe another time...
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Post by: Aberlaine on October 25, 2009, 07:47:09 AM
I have to admit that I've never heard of the book Kim.  I'll be excited to read and discuss a book that is new to me.  I've read The Book Thief and probably won't be in that discussion.  But I have heard great things about The Story of Edgar Sawtelle and may stick my head into that discussion.

I read both Brooks' books and highly recommend them.  I'm going to add Bridge of Sighs to my reading list.

Since I also belong to a f2f book club and am reading a book of my choosing, I can only handle three books at once.  And many times, not even that!

Thanks for all you do, JoanP, and all the other discussion leaders.  We couldn't do any of this without you!

Nancy
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 25, 2009, 01:19:51 PM
Sorru if my comments were not gracious.  The work you Dls put in is prodigious and i'm sure that we discussants are not properly appreciative.  When you asked the question about which other books I liked, expanding the list of discussions just followed logically.  There is a vast difference between strategy and logistics, isn't there?
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Post by: JoanR on October 25, 2009, 02:16:35 PM
I'm looking forward to the discussion on "Kim" - have a lovely copy sitting on a shelf!  I read it many, many years ago, much too young to appreciate it really, about the same time I was reading Kipling's Jungle Books and the Just So Stories.  My parents had a whole set of Kipling and since I read everything in the house, I devoured that.
I have a copy of Brook's "Year of Wonders" that I was saving for a discussion but I think I won't wait -  it looks too far down on the voting list!
I'll have to acquire a copy of "The Book Thief",  been wanting to get it and now you've given me the push!
Edgar Sawtelle??  Hmmmm.
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 25, 2009, 04:38:03 PM
edgar sawtelle is a very powerful story.  I didn't finish Year of Wonders  Doomsday Book by Connie Willis has me spoiled.
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Post by: straudetwo on October 26, 2009, 09:15:13 PM
Wonderful suggestions have been made in this folder; the list in the header is impressive.  My own to-read (or to re-read) book stack is getting ever taller.  

I'm not sure all of you know that a small group of us has just completed a months-long discussion and summarization of volumes 2 o 4 of Paul Scott's The Raj  Quartet.  Some time ago we discussed  here the first volume, The Jewel in the Crown,, but a number of  questions remained  unanswerable. It made us want to explore what happened to the protagonists we'd come to care about, and to the villain who appalled us.

In the author's own words at the end of Volume 4, "A Division of the Spoils is the last in a sequence of four novels about the closing years of British rule in India. The characters are imaginary. So were the events. The framework (the period between 1942 and 1947) was as historically accurate as I could make it. ..."

The recognition this literary masterpiece deserved eluded Paul Scott.  But he had more to say. In 1977 he published a fifth book, a sort of coda, or epilogue to the Raj Quartet,  with the title  Staying On. It describes what happened to one (rather un-assuming) military couple readers encountered  in Volume 2, who did not go home but chose to cling to their bungalow in the hills in the same region - which fell to Pakistan after partition in 1947.  The action takes place twenty-five years later.  Colonel Tucker and Lucy Smalley have grow old together.  How are they interacting with the Pakistani help ? What is their life like?

It was this small volume of 216 pages that finally brought the author lasting fame and the Booker Prize award.  He was too sick to accept it in person and died a year later at age 58.  
And it is this book that the patient readers of the Raj Quartet  and I would love to read here. We believe it is the real conclusion to a fascinating, epic story and might well be of general interest.
Therefore I'd like to suggest this book for reading here in the not too distant future (because tempus fugit = time flies).  

At this time I'd also like to invite all of you, inveterate readers, to join us in the discussion. It would run for the customary four weeks 24/7 and questions would be offered for consideration.  
To reiterate, it is a slim volume containing sixteen brief chapters. It is available on line (in an old-fashioned-looking print), and in paperback (easier to read for sore eyes).  Many of you may recall the British Granada TV production  and Masterpiece Theatre presentation ,Jewel in the Crown, sown in this country in the eighties.
But rest easy : no foreknowledge of that is necessary because Staying On stands on its own.

Pakistan is in the news daily, it is an iportant political and military power in a very dangerous area of the world where our troops ar fighting.  Wouldn't it be interesting to see what Pakistan was like in 1972, twenty-five years after Partition?

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Post by: JoanP on October 26, 2009, 10:48:06 PM
Thanks, Traudee - we just started a brand  new chart with reviews linked to the title.  We sure have a range of interests in these discussions! 
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Post by: ALF43 on October 27, 2009, 09:16:41 AM
I didn't realize until yesterday that The Book Thief is found in the young adult section. 
I have such a terrible time reading of those poor Holocast victims, I don't know if I could handle that, at this time.
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Post by: PatH on October 28, 2009, 12:29:47 AM
Traude, I've always been sorry I didn't join your Raj Quartet in time.  If you do "Staying On", I'll certainly be part of the discussion.


The books I'll miss discussing are The Doomsday Book and March.  There are too many choices and we can't read them all.  it would be nice to schedule them like F2Fs do, for a whole year, and assign moderators for each, but that would rule out any new books that will come out during that time.  It seems that the process here to establish a discussion group is difficult.  I can understand that the chief resource, a DL, is limited; but spontaneity is lacking, sadly that feeling of the delightful sharing of a new found treasure gets lost.
I didn't finish Year of Wonders  Doomsday Book by Connie Willis has me spoiled.

Jackie, I did finish "Year of Wonders", but I agree with your comment.  I don't feel you were in any way ungracious in your previous comments.  You're right that the main problem is limited number of DLs, and also it's important not to have too many discussions going at one time, because it splits the reader pool.  In addition to the voting method you see here, any DL can propose a book they are willing to lead, put it up for comment, and, if they get enough nibbles, have a discussion.  Maybe we can get "Doomsday Book" in later.
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 28, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
Pat:  The present system is DL limited since it is dependent on DL interest except in the case of votes such as this one. I was thinking along the lines of if three or more express an interest in discussing a book, why can't they?  Just an off the cuff, mini discussion.  Spontaneous.  Without a DL.  And this is not about Doomsday it is a thought which has been amorphous for quite a while; this vote simply help clarify my thinking.
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Post by: serenesheila on October 29, 2009, 08:21:14 AM
May I suggest we read, and discuss:  "The Forgotten Man", by Amity Shlaes?  It covers the period from 1929-1940.  It covers individual stories about both common Americans, and the ich, famous and powerful.  So much of what the author writes about, is happening today in this country.  IMO, it is a real page turner.

Sheila
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Post by: Frybabe on October 29, 2009, 10:08:29 AM
Another good suggestion, Serenesheila. That is a book on my to buy list, that is on one of the lists that I made and misplaced. Thanks for reminding me. It is one I definitely want to read.
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Post by: JoanP on October 29, 2009, 09:31:07 PM
Jackie, we need to wait until we build up to enough participants to sustain a full month-long book discussion, inviting authors to participate, before we can break into small reading groups of three or four people.  In time, perhaps!  Would you like to put Doomsday back into the new list in the header?

Sheila - another good suggestion.  It just flew up into the heading.
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Post by: straudetwo on October 29, 2009, 09:41:21 PM
PatH,   thank you for your # 187. I hope we will get to do Staying On - eventually. It is the perfect postscript to The Raj Quartet,  quite literally a "zinger". 

The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes is another good suggestion.
She has been a guest on C-SPAN several times, and I remember especially an excellent program about Geman reunification.  Her first book was Germany: The Empire Within, about the country's reunification.  She was marvelous.
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Post by: Gumtree on October 29, 2009, 09:59:30 PM
Traude I'm hoping for a discussion of Staying Onto come to fruition. Having accompanied you on the long journey through The Raj Quartet there's no way I would miss the 'zinger' as you call it. I remember a film of Staying On with Trevor Howard and Celia Johnson - maybe from the 60s.
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Post by: mrssherlock on October 30, 2009, 05:16:05 PM
Pat:  Thanks for the thoughtful answer to my comments.  Yes, let's put Doomsday Book in the new list.
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Post by: straudetwo on October 30, 2009, 08:46:35 PM
Gumtree. Yes, a movie of Staying On was made in 1980 and starred Trevor Howard and Celia Johnson (who was made DBE).  The two had been unforgettable in the 1945 film Brief Encounter . Brief Encounter was shown on Turner Classic Movies a few times. The acting is superb.

Makes me wonder whether Staying On is available hereabouts. Must find out.
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Post by: PatH on October 30, 2009, 11:10:09 PM
Yes, Netflix has it.
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Post by: serenesheila on October 31, 2009, 02:17:23 AM
Traude, thank you for telling me about another book by Amity Shlaes.  I am using a Kindle, and when I checked her books, the only one that they list is "The Forgotten Man".

I have seen the author, several times on CSpan2.  She is a very interesting person.

Sheila
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Post by: JoanK on October 31, 2009, 08:38:04 PM
The Story of Civilization has been active as a discussion group for eight years. We are now talking and reading about Italy during the Renaissance years.

Things happen in this period of history that change the way of the world forever. They are happening again in our discussion.

Come share with us this discussion of one of the most significant periods in the history of the world. You'll be glad you came and you will gain in understanding why we are where we are today.

On Sunday, we will have a celebration of eight years of discussion, and of making our way in only eight years from living in caves to the glories of the Renaissance.

For Seniorlearn members, go to http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=64.360

If you’re not a member, go to http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?action=help
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Post by: Brian on November 01, 2009, 12:10:20 PM
The Story of Civilization has been active as a discussion group for eight years. We are
now talking and reading about Italy during the Renaissance years.

 That period in history was launched by reports of the travels of Marco polo and the
reappearance of classical objects from antiquity. Early archeologists unearthed what once
was Rome and the Arabs of Spain brought Greek and Roman documents to 13th century
Italy. Genovese and Pisan trade with others around the Mediterranean basin brought new
Hellenic influences to the Italian peninsula.  Artists were ready to break out of the
idealistic constrictions of the past and to push into more realistic areas of art expression.  

Trade brought new wealth to Italian merchants and gave rise to a moneyed merchant
class. The new wealth found it's way to the Papacy and it encouraged dissipation among
the Popes of the period. This led to abuses and to conflict with European royalty and
dissension from within the Church.

Things happen in this period of history that change the way of the world forever. We can
never go back and it all happened here.

http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=64.new;topicseen#new

Come share with us this discussion of one of the most significant periods in the history of
the world. You'll be glad you came and you will gain in understanding why we are where
we are today.  
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Post by: JoanP on November 02, 2009, 12:30:23 PM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif) 

Polls are now open to choose  Bookclub Online titles for JULY and AUGUST Discussion!

VOTE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)



Title
Author
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/harcour2.html)                    Clemens
The Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)                    Kingsolver
Frankenstein (http://books.google.com/books?id=1kdBB08BuMQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=frankenstein+mary+shelley+summary&hl=en&ei=MqLgS9SOGIa8lQeWgLHwCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)                    Shelley
Dracula (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Norton-Critical-Editions-Stoker/dp/0393970124)                    Stoker
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers (http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1)                    Warner




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
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Post by: mrssherlock on November 03, 2009, 03:33:38 PM
I'm reading a quietly mysterious book;The Broken Teaglass is the debut novel of Emily Arsenault. First it mysterious bercause it reveals the inner worikngs in the preparation of a new dictionary as its two leading characters, are a pair of young 20s post-college editors/lexicographers at the Samuelson Dictionary Pubblishing House.  They are intrigued by the scattered thread of citations which suggest dark doings at the Samuelson offices, all referring to the non-existant novel "The Broken Teaglass".  There are discussion points on every page as we delve into words, words, words and their definitions.  This is a delightful book. Please put it in the list.   http://lesasbookcritiques.blogspot.com/2009/10/broken-teaglass-by-emily-arsenault.html
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Post by: JoanK on November 03, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
That does sound delightful.
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Post by: mrssherlock on November 03, 2009, 04:21:57 PM
The website I included was a mistake.  Don't go there.  You'll be sorry if you do.  While I was browsing this site I added 6, count them, six books to my library reserve list.  The only reason I quit at six was because My fingers were cramping from all the typing.
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Post by: JoanK on November 30, 2009, 09:46:36 PM
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We're looking forward to seeing you at the

Holiday Open House (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=76.0)


December 1 - 20


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Post by: JoanP on January 30, 2010, 09:40:01 PM
Spring is just around the corner.  Time to consider titles for group discussion in April, May and June.  This is always fun -
Are there titles that you would like to reconsider from the last vote?  How about The Story of Edgar Sawtelle

Let's add some new ones to the list too.  There have been some interesting titles mentioned in some of the General Discussions.  We'll have to add them here.  We really want to hear from you.

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Post by: Frybabe on January 31, 2010, 09:55:36 AM
JoanP, poor Edgar is getting long in the tooth on the list. However I am still interested in reading it. Also, still interested in The Forgotten Man and most definitely Staying On. I am afraid to add to the list lest I have too much trouble deciding.
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Post by: JoanP on January 31, 2010, 04:10:02 PM
Frybabe, will put Edgar riight back on the list - I'm sure there are others who feel the same way you do.  He was almost voted in last time as I recall.

I've got a few more titles from the library to add to the list - suggested in the Library and other SL sites.  Remember that the titles in the heading are all links to reviews.

We'll take suggestions for another week or so - and then VOTE on top three.  Please feel free to post anything you might like to discuss with the group - we're counting on you to come up with the best of the best.

One title mentioned several places - Anne Tyler's Noah's Compass.  Have you read it?  We have read and discussed several of her books here.  This is her 17th or 18th novel - most of them about unexceptional characters [- portrayed in an exceptional way. -

Noah's Compass (http://www.powells.com/biblio/18-9780307272409-0)
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Post by: JoanP on January 31, 2010, 04:36:49 PM
OK, here's another one - winner of this year's Man Booker prize.  Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall.  You've got to read the review before you decide that you don't need another book of historical fiction.  The Powell's Book's review says it's the BEST piece of fiction she's read this year - and she doesn't even sit on the Man Booker prize selection committee!

Wolf Hall (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780805080681-6)
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Post by: salan on January 31, 2010, 04:48:39 PM
I have Edgar Sawtelle on my book shelf tbr.  It is the March selection for my ftf book club.  I have received good reports from those who have read it.  Noah's Compass is definitely on my tbr list.  I like most of her books.  Is Staying on a sequel to the Raj Quartet?  If so, I would not care to read it since I have not read the book/books preceding it. 
Sally
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Post by: JoanR on January 31, 2010, 04:55:13 PM
I wonder if it's a good idea to choose books that are very new, especially if they are on the best-seller list.  Libraries usually only give you a limited time on those and there are no renewals.  We need our discussion books for at least a month -if one is going to count some pre-discussion time.  There are surely some of us who don't want to go out and buy a book that may be a one-time read - the price of new books being what it is and retirement incomes dwindling in the face of rising costs and lowering interest rates.  I don't mind waiting for a new book to show up on the remainder shelves in the bookstore or in a garage sale or wherever!  That's where I find all the best stuff!  And our public library is wonderfully well-stocked!

You asked about "Howard's End Is on the Landing"  -  I think it would make a great discussion but it flies in the face of what I just said, doesn't it?  I received my copy over a month ago as a birthday present so it didn't fall prey to the "economy drive"!!  We could wait a few months until it's off the new book shelves at the libraries.

I would like to nominate "Possession" as future book discussion.  I imagine that there are quite a few folks here who wern't present for that one as well as some who would like to re-visit a terrific book.
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Post by: JoanP on January 31, 2010, 05:09:47 PM
Salan, I believe you are correct about the Scott book - but will check with Traudee who led that discussion several months ago.

JoanR - that's a very good point ...though I think I MUST have the Howard's End book - perhaps we'd better wait on that one for a while -
I agree - nobody writes like AS Byatt - and it has been a decade since we discussed Possession in the past - and on a different channel too!  I'll go find a review and add it to the heading.

Here's a review of Broken Teaglass suggested earlier here -
We love new authors here, as well as Anne Tyler's seasoned writing - here's one that Jackie recommended a while back - thought you might like to read the review - I followed Jackie's advice and did not click the link in her post.  Oh, by the way, Jackie is mrssherlock, in case you didn't recognize her...

The Broken Teaglass (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780553807332-3)

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Post by: Frybabe on January 31, 2010, 06:11:45 PM
Ah, come on JoanP. You've just made me add another book to my ToBuy list. The Broken Teaglass sounds intriguing.
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Post by: Janice on January 31, 2010, 10:26:36 PM
Shortly after I last posted I had an emergent hospital visit and was in a coma for almost a month, then at a rehab center, then home with therapy, and now I am almost as good as new.  I just have a little difficulty with stamina.  I can spin wool very well, I can knit only one or two rows at a sitting, but I can read and exercise.  I've noticed the book The Forgotten Man.  It looks very good and I'm going to check it out the next time I get to the library.  The other thing that happened while I was away was the transmission gave out on my car so it sat outside and all the tires got flat.  The good news is that it didn't get stolen LOL. 
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Post by: Frybabe on January 31, 2010, 10:37:37 PM
Good heavens Janice. That was one heck of a nap. I am glad you are getting better, back home, and able to join in the discussions once again. I trust the transmission in your car is being fixed. Sometimes it seems just one thing after another doesn't it? 
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Post by: PatH on February 01, 2010, 10:04:33 AM
Salan, Traude said somewhere that "Staying On" stands on it's own, and you don't have to have read "The Raj Quartet" to enjoy it.
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Post by: pedln on February 01, 2010, 10:37:40 AM
I would like to suggest Bleeding Kansas by Sara Paretsky.  Relatively new, it's now our in paperback.  (JoanR, remember at the Strand last summer -- I picked up a review copy there.)

This is not a Paretsky V.I. Warshawski mystery, but a multi-faceted novel about families and rivalries, set in rural Kansas (near Lawrence) in contemporary times.

Bleeding Kansas (http://www.powells.com/biblio/9780399154058?&PID=32284)

Another one I'd like to suggest is a golden oldie, published 1978. A Woman of Independent Means by Elizabeth Forsythe Hailey.  I've read it a few times, not recently, but it pops up in memory frequently.  An epistolary novel (I like those) with a  strong protagonist, this is set in the U.S. around 1920, before and after.  Somewhat biographical -- I think that Bess is Hailey's grandmother.  This was a miniseries at one time with Sally Field, and hang it all, I don't think it has captions.
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Post by: JoanP on February 01, 2010, 04:15:16 PM
Sorry, Frybabe!  That's what happens when we start describing books ;)...Broken Teaglass does sound enticing - (what is a "teaglass?")

{{{Janice!}}} - oh my goodness, you have had quite a time of it!  For a month!  In a coma for a whole month???  You must have had fun catching up on all that had happened in the world.  It is a blessing to have you back with us!

PatH - thank you for that - let's try to get Traudee in here to describe "Staying On" -

Pedln - thank you for those titles - I've put them in the heading.  Bleeding Kansas sounds very interesting to me.


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Post by: serenesheila on February 01, 2010, 07:15:24 PM
I have read "The Forgotten Man", and found it extremely interesting.  I would love to reread it, and discuss it here.  The forgotten man, is the people who got "lost" during the Great Depression.

Right now, I am reading "Roses", and would love to read, and discuss it here.

Sheila
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Post by: JoanP on February 01, 2010, 07:25:37 PM
Sheila, will put "Roses"  in the list in the header after dinner - thanks for the suggestion.  That's another plug for The Forgotten Man...
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Post by: JudeS on February 01, 2010, 08:08:25 PM
Has anyone else read "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" By Stieg Larsson?
It has been on the paperback Bestseller list for months and months.  It is an amazing book written by a Swedish author who tells the  story of three generations of a wealthy Swedish family as they are unearthed by an independent and savvy young girl and a crusading journalist who set out to solve a forty year old disappearance of a scion of one of the wealthiest of Sweden's families. This book combines murder mystery, family saga, love story and financial intrigue into a complex novel.

It is a long book ,590 pages, but such a page turner that no one who starts it can put it down.

Sweden and its history come alive in a never to be forgotten story.

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Post by: marcie on February 01, 2010, 09:29:31 PM
Janice, welcome back. Oh my! You've been through a lot. I'm glad you're able to read books and participate here.

So many (too many!!) of the books mentioned here sound very interesting.
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Post by: salan on February 02, 2010, 06:26:52 AM
I read The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo.  It certainly held my interest.  It was well written and had a story line that drew you in.  That being said, I also found it darkly depressing and rather brutal at times.  I don't want to read it again, and I probably will not read another book by Larson.  My sil read the sequel and she felt the same way.  It seems to me like most authors I have read from that region (Norway, Sweden, etc.) write rather depressing books.  Do any of you feel the same way?
Sally
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Post by: JoanK on February 02, 2010, 02:59:42 PM
SALAN: yes, I do. And I've heard that people in that region do have problems with depression, more than most of us. Presumably, it's from the long winter's and lack of sunlight.

There are styles, too. The books and movies I've read from Israel lately are rather depressing, too. There is certainly plenty of sun in Israel. I hope it's a style phase.
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Post by: Mippy on February 03, 2010, 11:03:08 AM
I was not able to finish Wolf Hall by Mantel.   Usually I enjoy historical fiction.   Having read just about every book by Allison Weir about the Tudors, I found Mantel, in comparison, to be a less readable author.   
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Post by: mrssherlock on February 03, 2010, 01:32:47 PM
i found Wolf Hall to be very easy to put down and hard to pick up again.  It's on two-week checkout and can't be renewed so it's unfinished by me, also.
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Post by: JoanP on February 03, 2010, 02:59:27 PM
Two good reasons not to feature Wolf Hall in a group discussion here.  I guess we need to remember that the Man Booker prize awards come from British entrants - those folks can't get enough of Henry VIII!
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Post by: JoanP on February 04, 2010, 12:01:03 AM
Thanks for keeping your sharp eye on me, Pedln.  I need all the help I can get!
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Post by: mrssherlock on February 08, 2010, 03:13:16 PM
Henry VIII has to be included in the pantheon of those who literally changed the world.  It helps that his was such a powerful personality.  Martin Luther's Reformation lacks the charismatic principal so is somewhat underrated for its impact.  Who else has had such an impact on the whole planet?
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Post by: salan on February 13, 2010, 08:28:09 AM
I have been hearing alot about Abraham Verghese' book "Cutting for Stone".  Have any of you read it?  What do you think?  One of our librarians said that it was the best book she has read in years.
Sally
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Post by: mrssherlock on February 13, 2010, 03:23:50 PM
Sally:  Sounds like a book I'd like; tell us more, please.
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Post by: JoanP on February 14, 2010, 03:20:56 PM
Sally, these librarian recommendations are not to be taken lightly, are they?  I'd like to hear what some of you who have read it think about "Cutting for Stone."

As promised, the poll  to determine our Spring Book Club Online discussions is now open -
We will stay open until Feb. 26.
 You may vote once.
 Notice  the titles in the Suggestion Box heading are linked to reviews.
Note the two different categories:
 1. Your first choice
 2. All the titles  that interest you for future discussion



VOTE HERE - (click this link) (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/X9T285W)





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Post by: JoanP on February 16, 2010, 11:10:19 PM
Remember, polls will be open until Feb.26!
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Post by: salan on February 17, 2010, 07:24:38 AM
I have not read "Cutting for Stone" by Abraham Verghese, so I can not tell you much about it.  I just checked out the summary on Amazon and I am now determined to check it out on Thursday when my ftf book club meets at the library.  It was given 41/2 stars out of 5 by readers, and the story line sounds intrigueing.  I will let you know after I read it.

I am in one of those strange "reading moods"--I am hungry for a story with a little meat in it, but I am not quite ready for a full course meal!  I have a couple of shelves of tbr books, and a goodly number on my tbr list, but none of them seem to appeal to me now.  I seem to take my reading genre by spells.  I am currently reading Baking Cakes in Kilgali, and Mark Twain's , Pudd'nhead Wilson (for my ftf reading group).  I just finished The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie (just so-so in my opinion) and I turned in Moses, American Prophet after reading 100 pages---I just couldn't get into it and gave up.  Like I said, I am in a strange reading mood.  Have you ever noticed that a lot of what you feel about a book depends on the mood you are in at the time you read it?

Sally
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Post by: JoanP on February 26, 2010, 09:36:56 PM
I'm a Gemini, Sally - mood changes frequently -
Will wait to hear what you think of "Cutting for Stone"  before looking into it - my pile is as high as my moods!

We had a great discussion of Puddn'head several years ago.  If you are interested in taking a look at the Archived discussion, I could bring it here for you.  We had someone from the Mark Twain Society join the discussion and he shared a lot of information about the author - and the book.

I came in this evening with the result of the preliminary vote for our upcoming indepth Spring Book Club Online discussions.
...
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Post by: JoanP on February 26, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
February 27- March 7 RUN-OFF VOTE for Spring Group Book Discussions!

  Please vote for your first THREE choices  from the top five titles you selected in the preliminary vote.
  Remember  the titles in the heading are linked to reviews.


RERUN VOTE HERE - (click this link)
(http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PJKHSZ8)

Title
Author
When Everything Changed (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113764557)                    Colins
Staying On (http://www.powells.com/biblio/0226743497)                    Scott
Forgotten Man (http://www.amityshlaes.com)                    Shlaes
The Doomsday Book (http://templetongate.tripod.com/doomsday.htm)  Willis
Story of Edward Sawtelle   (http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/story-edgar-sawtelle/david-wroblewski)          Wroblewski
Noah's Compass (http://www.powells.com/biblio/18-9780307272409-0)                    Tyler
Wolf Hall (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780805080681-6)                    Mantel
The Broken Teaglass (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9780553807332-3)                      Arsenault
Possession (http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=0679735909)           Byatt
Bleeding Kansas (http://www.powells.com/biblio/17-9780451224484-1)                    Paretsky
A Woman of Independent Means (http://www.readinggroupguides.com/guides_W/woman_of_independent_means1.asp)                    Hailey
Roses (http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=HARDCOVER:USED:9780446550000:19.95#synopses_and_reviews)                    Meacham


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Post by: straudetwo on February 27, 2010, 11:05:14 PM
Having just voted for the re-run survey,  I'll stay right here and mention a few books that have caught my attention.
Two are nonfiction.

1. Original Sinners: A New Interpretation of Genesis by John R. Coats. As the title suggests, this  is a personal interpretation of the Book of Genesis.
I saw it in the Boston Globe recently and called the public library. Two bopies are in the system, both were out;my name is on the waiting list.

2. The Red Book by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961), founder of analytical psychology, who eventually broke ranks with Sigmund Freud.
The leather-bound manuscript of 205 pp. is apparently a work of art and contains the author's calligraphy, drawings and copious notes of his self-exploration.  It has been hidden from the world for decades.  Jung's sons have finally granted access, after much reluctance. The English translation is available from Amazon and B&N. The cost for members is roughly the same =  around $114.  I haven't called the library  about availability yet.

Among the new memoirs are two sequels.
⁋  Committed by Elizabeth Gilbert, author of Eat, Pray, Love,
and
⁋   Cleaving by  Julie Powell, author of Julie and Julia).

Neither is on my to-be-read list, so this is merely do a mention, not a suggestion.
(I did not like Eat, Pray, Love and never read Julie and Julia.)  

The local book group will discuss a mystery in March: Exit Music by Ian Rankin.
The mystery fans among you probably know all about this prolific Scottish writer --- I had never heard of him. But I'm always open to new experiences, enjoy this one and look forward to the discussion.

I know t some of you appreciate Donna Leon and her sleuth,  Commissario Guido Brunelli  in Venice. Her latest was About Face. Any thoughts?

How wonderful it is to come together here and talk about books ! :)

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Post by: mrssherlock on February 28, 2010, 11:25:07 AM
It is truly appalling shock to be shown a simple solution to a problem, not havind thought it out enough oneself.  From nowon I will vote, in the second round, for the one, two, or three I really want to read and not increase the totals on books I may be too indifferent to to participate in the discussion. 
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Post by: JoanP on February 28, 2010, 01:30:01 PM
Jackie, puzzled - thought that's what we were doing in this second round  - voting for the top three titles we would like to discuss in the coming months.  I agree with you, Nan, they are all delightful finalists on the short list. ( Jackie, well do all three of the top selected titles.  Does that help?)

Traudee, that is an intriguing list.  You really out to copy it into the Library discussion! The Jung's Red Book sounds amazing!!! Unfortunately with this economy, most pockets - and most libraries will not be shelling out that kind of money for a single volume.  Too bad.

Let us know how your book group's response to Rankin's Exit Music, okay?
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Post by: JoanK on February 28, 2010, 02:12:51 PM
TRAUDEE: would you like to mention the Rankin and Leon in The Mystery Corner. There are a number of Leon fans there.

My f2f group read a Rankin. Most of us love him (I am the exception -- I find him slow and depressing).
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Post by: mrssherlock on February 28, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif) 

Polls are now open to choose  Bookclub Online titles for JULY and AUGUST Discussion!

VOTE HERE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)



Title
Author
Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/huckfinn/harcour2.html)                    Clemens
The Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)                    Kingsolver
Frankenstein (http://books.google.com/books?id=1kdBB08BuMQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=frankenstein+mary+shelley+summary&hl=en&ei=MqLgS9SOGIa8lQeWgLHwCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false)                    Shelley
Dracula (http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Norton-Critical-Editions-Stoker/dp/0393970124)                    Stoker
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers (http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1)                    Warner




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
JoanP:  Sorry. I wasn't clear.  The instructions said to vote for three but I liked only one.  If I had voted for my top choice only, those books I was indifferent to wouldn't have received my vote.

On another subject, seems to me that we should list a nominated book on a set number of lists.  My nomination of Doomsday Book should be withdrawn since it has failed three times to win.  There were some books on this last list I will read on my own becoming aware of them due to their nomination here.
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Post by: straudetwo on February 28, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
JoanP,  JooanK,

Of course! I should have posted the book titles in the Library, precisely because they were not suggestions.
Mea culpa.
By the way, a trade paperback of Jung's The Red Book is is scheduled to be published in October.

There are two books, both fiction, which I would like to suggest for future reading. Both have been nominated for the PEN/Faulkner Award.

The Lacuna by Barbara Kingsolver,
 and
A Gate At The Stairs  by Lorrie Moore



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Post by: Frybabe on February 28, 2010, 04:06:33 PM
Traude, too bad Staying On did'nt make the second list. But I have my book and also Six Days in Mayapore so they are on my read next list after The Book Thief.

Right now I am in the middle of doing taxes, mine and Mom's. I am going to be bald by the time April 15th rolls around.  :P
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Post by: Gumtree on March 01, 2010, 12:04:09 AM
Yes, Frybabe - I was a bit disappointed about Staying On too - maybe we should have talked it up more.
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Post by: straudetwo on March 01, 2010, 08:51:28 PM
Frybabe, Gumtree,  

It was a disappointment for me also that Staying On did not make it. That had been my hope and my dream.  I apologize for not having been eloquent (or persuasive) enough when I suggested it.  You know we had talked about this final book several times. I have promoted it several times as best I could.

It was Staying On, a slim volume, that brought Paul Scott the long overdue public recognition =  the coveted Booker Prize.  He was too ill to accept the award  in person and died not long thereafter.

It was this book, this slim volume,  that attracted the attention of Granada Television and led to the production of the magnificent[Masterpiece series  of the tetralogy titled Jewel in the Crown,viewed by millions.  The visual images are unequalled, the acting flawless.  One of the most impressive among several  outstanding performances  was byTim Pigot-Smith as the arch-villain, Capt. Ronald Merrick. He inhabited the role so well, so convincingly, that he became personally identified with it back home in Britain (to the detriment of his career, or so it was reported).

India  left a deep, lasting impression on Paul Scott.  That is clear from the body of his work.
For him, the completion of The Raj Quartet was NOT the end.  He He was drawn back to the area where he himself had been, a region that became part of Pakistan in 1947, and was the setting of the Quartet .  He  journeyed there to check for himself. He had more to say.

Staying On is the result, the final word.  I personally could not have found closure without  this book ---  it shows what happened when the British were gone  ... to the manicured gardens of the former cantonment,  the mansions like Rose  Cottage,  to the ubiquitous servants.  And, most poignantly, to one military British couple who  decided to Stay On.

I am so very grateful to you for undertaking the  overview  of the three remaining volumes of The Raj  with me when the discussion of the first volume, The Jewel in the Crown was finished. I would not have missed the opportunity.  And I am grateful that our extended discussion was approved.   Staying On would have been fitting, but did not happen.

Frybabe, I'd love to know more about Seven Days in Mayapore  --when you get to it. Meanwhile I have the public library hunting for it.
Good luck with the taxes.


Gratefully, Traude
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Post by: PatH on March 04, 2010, 02:30:30 AM
Traude, I too was disappointed about "Staying On", my first choice.  I wanted it anyway, but especially after seeing you in action in "That Old Cape Magic".  You have an almost perfect sense of when to summarize or elaborate because people are stuck and when to hold off so the participants have a chance to plug in their thoughts.  If you ever want to dig up a quorum for the book, I'm with you.
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Post by: Gumtree on March 04, 2010, 03:37:03 AM
Me too!
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Post by: straudetwo on March 04, 2010, 10:50:37 AM
Pat, Gumtree.
Thank you with all my heart for your expression of confidence and kindness.
 
Do I understand you correctly that there is hope left for Staying On?
In what framework?  And how to dig up a quorum?

I would jump at he chance because I am convinced it would be an eminently worthwhile project, especially as a follow-up to  the outstanding discussion of Kipling's Kim.
Thank you and Frybabe again.
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Post by: JoanP on March 04, 2010, 07:45:53 PM
Traudee, Staying On received only three votes from our readers of all the titles they would enjoy discussing at some time in the future.  
If you wish to talk it up more to dig up a quorum when we vote again in the summer, we can put it up for renomination again to see if there is any more interest then.

Will announce the top three the majority has selected on Saturday night. Add these three to Ella and Harold's  April discussion of Troublesome Young Men, you can see that we are pretty booked for the next four months.
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Post by: JoanR on March 08, 2010, 06:48:43 PM
Hi!  I'm all agog and a'twitter as they say!!  What are the 3 winners?  I have a book positively quivering on my desk in anticipation.  She'll be so crestfallen if she has been eliminated, but that will be O.K.  -  I'll console her!
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Post by: JoanP on March 08, 2010, 07:30:11 PM
I hesitate  to announce the "winners' - for fear of breaking her poor quivering heart, JoanR.  Perhaps you can console her with the news that there will be another vote in June if she doesn't win - and her title can be resubmitted at that time.  Does that help?

You've all been so patient about hearing the results of the recent poll -   A funny thing occurred between the first vote and the run-off vote -

Anne Tyler's Noah's Compass and Laura Meacham's Roses led in the first vote - when there were 12 titles from which to choose.  The votes were really scattered with so many titles to consider, so we took the five titles that showed the most interest and held the run-off vote this past week to see where those scattered votes would go. It seems that more votes went to  Anne Tyler's Noah and to Byatt's Possession  with no strong winner for a  third discussion in July.

After a day of talking it over, we decided to put  Tyler's Noah's Compass on the schedule for the May Book Club Online and then Byatt's Possession for June.  In June we can hold another vote to see where the interest lies for the July Bookclub Online.  It became just too confusing to do otherwise.



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Post by: JoanR on March 08, 2010, 07:47:32 PM
 No heartbreak here, JoanP - I wonder what you thought I was rooting for??  So happy for "Possession"!! It's  no longer "quivering " but rolling around in joy - if one could picture Byatt doing that!!  If it's to be in July, I might as well go ahead and read "The Children's Story" now instead of after "Possession" as I had originally intended.  Already read "Possession" some years ago but needed to re-read it since the old brain is a mighty leaky vessel. By the way, there is a great article by Byatt on the Guardian site  re: Alice in Wonderland and other children's classics - she does go on and on but who cares, I love what she says!
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Post by: mrssherlock on March 08, 2010, 08:51:21 PM
Two very fine books to look forward to reading and discussing.  thank you all.
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Post by: Gumtree on March 08, 2010, 11:57:39 PM
Great news about Possession I've been wanting to reread it for ages - now's my chance!
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Post by: JoanP on March 29, 2010, 01:02:48 PM
As you may know, the top selections in our recent poll ~  Noah's Compass  (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1225.0) and Possession (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=81.0) are on the Discussion schedule for May and June.  Please drop in and indicate whether or not you will be joining us. (We hope you will!)

The Suggestion Box is now open again for nominations of titles you would like to see discussed in depth this summer or fall.
Thanks, everyone!  We rely on your input, hope you know that!
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Post by: JoanP on May 04, 2010, 12:03:57 PM
It's time to actively seek some titles for our July and August in-depth book discussions.  We need to hear from YOU!  
Is there anything that you have read that would lend itself to a month long discussion?   That you would like to share with a group?   Is there anything  you've always wanted to really delve into?  
 
It has been suggested we stay away from newly published books for economical reasons.  
I'm going to nominate Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. Have heard so much about it - but never read it.   But that might not be on everyone's TBR list.  

We need to hear from you! If there is anything that had been nominated in the past that you would like to see reconsidered, we'd like to hear about that too.
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 04, 2010, 01:31:11 PM
One book I read that seemed worthy of discussion was The Three Weissmanns of Westport by Cathleen Schine.  What happens to a woman when her husband of 48 years falls in love with a younger woman?  Could be a real tearjerker but Schine is a better writer than that.  She presents the unfolding of this tragedy/comedy with compassion, intelligence and dry humor.  No one gets off lightly, each is held up to a bright light and there are warts galore, the kind you and I probably have.  The three are Mama Weissmann and her two 50ish daughters who band together for reasons of their own.  If you have had to share your life with a returned adult child, you know what a mixed blessing that can be.  For me, been there, done that, have the t-shirt.  http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/s/cathleen-schine/three-weissmanns-of-westport.htm
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Post by: Frybabe on May 04, 2010, 02:24:00 PM
Good suggestion JoanP. I have never actually read Frankenstein or Dracula having seen several incarnations moviewise. Both are on Gutenberg, and they both are in audio or text.  Joan, your Gulliver's Travels is also in both text and audio on Gutenberg.
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Post by: marcie on May 04, 2010, 06:22:18 PM
ohh, Frybabe, Frankenstein or Dracula are intriguing choices. I've never read the originals either and would like to do so and talk about them with others here.
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Post by: JoanP on May 04, 2010, 06:47:12 PM
Very interesting suggestions!  Really!  I'm off to baby sit - will put all three in the heading as soon as I get back.  Thank you!
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 04, 2010, 11:26:03 PM
Joan:  The Westport book is new.  Let's take it off the list.
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Post by: Gumtree on May 05, 2010, 02:44:09 AM
I'd vote for Frankenstein - I even have a copy. - what a great suggestion - thanks Frybabe
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Post by: JoanP on May 05, 2010, 09:08:12 AM
OK, Jackie, will do - sounds quite interesting though ~ perhaps something to consider when not so "new"?

Hi Gum!  Looks like two votes for Dracula already!

Some interesting suggestions in the Library today - I'll bring them up later - after "gym"  class...
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Post by: JoanP on May 06, 2010, 08:04:25 AM
Some titles and authors have been mentioned in the Library  I wonder what you think of these as summer reading/discussing?

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"I know she is not serious enough for a month discussion, but Janet Evanovich and Dana Stabenow have both written series that are fascinating. The characters grew,, she added in different people.. All in all, both of the ladies write interesting series"
I haven't ever read any by the popular Evanovich. My DIL loves her    What do you think?  We'd need  specific titles.  Both are quite prolific.  How would we narrow down the list?  How many would we read?  What do you think?

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Post by: JoanP on May 06, 2010, 08:05:58 AM
More from the Library 

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A terrific book for all us accumulators and lovers of books is Susan Hill's "Howard's End Is On the Landing".  I see that Amazon has a paperback that you can pre-order, I don't know how I got my hard-cover edition - probably from England in some round-about way - from Amazon even!!  Anyhow it came to me!
The Amazon entry & review is here:

http://www.amazon.com/Howards-End-Landing-Year-Reading/dp/1846682665/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273017639&sr=1-1

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Post by: JoanP on May 06, 2010, 08:07:25 AM
Another from the Library  
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1. There was some talk of discussing "Three Junes" by Julia Glass a while ago but it didn't happen.  I thought that was a really good book and would love to re-read it
.  Shall we put it back up for nomination?

2.
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"I Capture the Castle" by Dodie Smith is a book that will capture the reader.  One of my favorites - light but wonderful.  Reviews:

http://www.amazon.com/I-Capture-Castle-Dodie-Smith/dp/031231616X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273018272&sr=1-1

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Post by: mrssherlock on May 10, 2010, 05:35:41 PM
I've been thinking about an older book to nominate and of the three in the heading I prefer Frankenstein.  Gulliver may be a satire but if so it must be of that time's political and social events cause it didn't make me laugh.  Dracula is an unknown so far.  Of the old books I've read I can't think of one that I would like to discuss except Shakespeare or Austen.
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 10, 2010, 10:42:45 PM
Wait, wait, this is a good time to put my perennial favorite, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, on the list, isn't it?  After all, Twain is an American author and Finn is on the list in Wikipedia as one of the "Great American Novels". And it is one of my favorite novels.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Novel
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Post by: JoanP on May 10, 2010, 10:57:10 PM
Not too late, Jackie - we're just getting started!  Huck Finn is up there. 
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Post by: marcie on May 12, 2010, 11:30:12 AM
My public library recently picked Tom Sawyer for a monthly read. (I'm not necessarily nominating that.)
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Post by: JoanR on May 12, 2010, 03:11:01 PM
Back in Post#241, I see that Traude suggested Barbara Kingsolver's book, "The Lacuna".  Now, I believe that that constitutes a nomination, doesn't it?  If not, I'll nominate it.  It is fiction, but based on a lot of history and on some interesting real people such as, Diego Rivera, Frida Kahlo...  The Times called it a dazzling novel.  Review here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html

Since Mexico seems to be in the news so much lately, this might be a timely read.
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Post by: JoanP on May 12, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
Wow!  You just have to read the link to the Lacuna that JoanR posted in the preceding post!  All of it!

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Post by: Gumtree on May 13, 2010, 01:00:31 AM
 I just did - Wow - Let's have a read of that one too!
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Post by: marcie on May 13, 2010, 01:23:46 AM
Wow, that's a very interesting link. That book does sound dazzling!
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Post by: Frybabe on May 13, 2010, 07:58:35 AM
I agree. It is shouting READ ME, READ ME!
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Post by: Gumtree on May 13, 2010, 10:49:58 AM
The Rivera, Kahlo and Trotsky triangle is fascinating. I guess everyone has seen the film 'Frida' starred Salma Hayek, Alfred Molina and Geoffrey Rush.
 
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Post by: JoanK on May 13, 2010, 02:52:01 PM
I haven't seen "Frieda" yet but want to. Like probably everyone, I find that bunch very annoying, but am fascinated in spite of myself.

Recently, I visited a museuum in San Diego that had a number of Diego's paintings. One was of Frieda. She was seated. From a distance, she looked like a sweet young girl, dressed in what could have been a bride's dress. When you got closer, you saw she had a skull in her lap.
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 13, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
Joank:  Annoying?  Please expand.  I can see liking or not liking but there is a deeper element to annoyance which seems to be the result of having your buttons pushed. It is the word I'm curious about, not your feelings.  
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Post by: JoanK on May 13, 2010, 04:29:22 PM
Jackie: good point. They do push my bottons, and I'm not sure why. Maybe reading the book will tell me.

They seem to be like these kids who are always making noise or doing something outragious, so you have to pay attention to it, and can't really talk or think.
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Post by: PatH on May 13, 2010, 08:53:05 PM
I haven't seen "Frida" yet either, though I should.  It would be hard to portray that character adequately.

I hadn't thought much about Frida Kahlo until 10 years ago, when I gave a report on her in a Spanish class, and read rather more than was necessary for a short report.  I ended up not liking her very much, mainly because she was so totally self-absorbed and manipulative.  Her art is almost 100% totally about herself.  She was a powerful, stormy, fiery person, on a level way beyond my more ordinary feelings.  Her marriage to Diego Rivera was like the mating of volcanoes.  They drove each other nuts with their manipulations and infidelities, but they also each had something the other needed, and couldn't stay apart either.

Love her or hate her, she makes good copy, and it would be hard to write a dull book about her.
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Post by: Gumtree on May 14, 2010, 04:41:51 AM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)  

Now Accepting Nominations for September/October Discussion

Note that Book Titles Link to Reviews

Title
Author
Excellent Women (http://ofbooksandbikes.wordpress.com/2007/10/07/barbara-pyms-excellent-women/)                    Pym
Gulliver's Travels (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Gullivers-Travels/Jonathan-Swift/e/9781593081324)                    Swift
Dracula (http://coversgirl.blogspot.com/2007/07/book-review-dracula-by-bram-stoker.html)                    Stoker
Zeitoun (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/books/review/Egan-t.html)                    Eggers
LA'S ORCHESTRA SAVES THE WORLD (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/08/AR2009120803904.html)                    Smith




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)




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Post by: Frybabe on May 14, 2010, 08:16:44 AM
I know very, very little about Diego Rivera and nothing about Frida. The same can be said of most artists worldwide who are/were not European or American (and I am sure I missed some of those).
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 14, 2010, 10:05:07 AM
There must be demons native to the art gene which, thankfully, has bypassed me.  How many artists have been self-obsessed?  Does this obsession contribute to the expression of the artist's work or is the obsession the result of the effort to continue to achieve?  Genius has always mystified and attracted me.  I think about Lucy, our progenitor, and wonder what was in her genes that lead to a Caravaggio, Mozart, Shakespeare, Socrates? 
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Post by: marcie on May 20, 2010, 12:15:23 PM
Would anyone be interested in reading and talking about some folk tales or fairy tales? There are quite a few available online, for example, at http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/folktexts.html

I recently read Carol Goodman's "Arcadia Falls." That and some of her other novels include a thread of folk tales. I'm now reading A.S. Byatt's "Possession" and that features some folk tales too. I loved to read folk stories when I was a child and I think their mythic properties are very interesting.

This is connected to recent posts about the artistic process. I found a site that defines folklore in terms of art and creativity: "Since the 1960's and 70's folklore has been defined as "artistic communication in small groups" (Ben-Amos 1972) or "the study of human creativity in its own context" (Glassie, 1993)
    * “Art” made with an awareness of and a connection to tradition and community
    *Tradition & folklore = dynamic processes connected to community & creativity
http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~mmagouli/folkloreintro.htm
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Post by: JoanP on May 20, 2010, 12:51:10 PM
Marcie, I love the idea!  (I love Possession too) for the same reasons - I love the creativity and the imagination that goes into the, the supernatural  qualities of these stories.
I'm not sure I understand what this means though,  "Folklore  - artistic communication in small groups"  Do you?

Can we pursue that here?  We'd need one source, one basic collection, don't you think?  I checked into the links you gave us - but think we'd need a paper copy or collection - there are those who simply cannot read online...

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Post by: JoanR on May 20, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
Myths, legends and folktales are one of my favorite areas.  There are so many from every culture and nationality that I thnk you would have a hard time narrowing down for a discussion.  I have the standards such as Bulfinch and Brewer and a great text on Teutonic myth and legend subtitled: An introduction to the Eddas & Sagas, Beowulf and the Nibelungenlied.  There is also here "Celtic Myth and Arthurian Romance.  Best of all are the fairytales - Andersen and Grimm which I treasure.  I believe Andersen wrote most if not all of his tales but they surely had some basis in stories he heard as a child.

Marina Warner has a book out:   "From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers" available in libraries & paperback.  She's good.  Review here:

http://www.amazon.com/Beast-Blonde-Fairy-Tales-Tellers/dp/0374524874/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274380728&sr=1-1

I took a course in American Folk Literature in college (64 years ago! Good Grief!) but my professor specialized in NY State legends.  His book is "Body, Boots & Britches" - amazingly still in print!

Can't imagine how such a huge field - yea, verily, going back into the mists of time - can be encapsulated into a month's discussion.  Would have to pick one specific area.
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Post by: marcie on May 20, 2010, 03:27:17 PM
JoanP and JoanR, I do think we'd have to choose a subset...probably based on what's included in a readily available book. We would know that we're not going to be comprehensive.

Thanks for those references, JoanR. Very interesting. That's great that you had the opportunity to take a folk literature course! I would appreciate the opportunity to learn from others interested in this field.

JoanP, there is a little more elaboration of the statement at http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/~mmagouli/fldes.htm

Since the 1960s, folklore has been defined as "artistic communication in small groups" (Ben-Amos 1972), meaning folklorists focus upon the relationship of individual creativity to the collective order. Folklorists are equally concerned with aesthetic and expressive aspects of culture and the people and societies that make and respond to creative acts....
The new generation of folklorists recognize the interactions between how an individual tells a story and how the audiences react and interact, and interrelationships between art, architecture and other expressive elements of culture. Folklorists today look at the dynamic relations between the socially given, the traditional, and the creative individual. The field has re-calibrated itself from a focus on the traditional and ready-made, to a focus on the balance of traditional and emergent, socially given and creative. Such synthetic work seeks to better understand the world by recognizing the circular system of individual, group, and expression. Folklorists today have and use theories, but they also strive to maintain an empirical richness in their study, letting the fieldwork, the data, and the people involved direct the big picture as much as possible."


There seem to be various academic perspectives on folklore. It might be something we could talk about a bit as we talk about some stories.
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Post by: JoanP on May 22, 2010, 08:47:11 AM
While looking for a central starting off source for discussing fairy tales, I checked my library for the book you mentioned, JoanR -  - Warner's  Beast and the Blonde -  I checked my library and YES, they do have it.  -and Amazon has affordable used copies (NEW on Amazon - $99.00 ;D)

 The writeup description sounds quite interesting -

In this scholarly, original, and insightful study, Warner (Alone of Her Sex: The Myth and the Cult of the Virgin Mary, 1983) explores the relationship between fairy tales and their historical and social contexts. She persuasively demonstrates that the teller of the tale-whether a prophesying enchantress luring knights to their doom or the jolly old beldame, Mother Goose-inevitably reflects the prevailing social prejudices for and against women. Warner first traces the "layered character of the traditional narrator" and the interconnections between storytellers and heterodox forms of knowledge. In the second half of the book, Warner takes up a sampling of tales and demonstrates in them such adult themes as the presense of painful rivalry and hatred between women (Cinderella). Finally, she explores the association of blondeness in the heroine with preciousness and desirability. Highly recommended for all readers who wish a deeper understanding of the fairy tales and cultural icons that have shaped us.

Do you think this would appeal to our readers?  It's nearly time to put up a vote for the July and August discussions?  Do you think we should add it to the nominations? 
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 22, 2010, 11:26:04 AM
Now that does sound interesting.  It suggests a natural pairing, When Everything Changed by Gail Collins  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/books/review/Bloom-t.html?_r=1)
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Post by: winsummm on May 25, 2010, 12:22:42 PM
those links are weird. the one about drood in 2009 confused me until i looked at the date.  so what is up for june. . . possession. I think it is not on my kindle...joan-g did you see it?

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Post by: winsummm on May 25, 2010, 12:32:22 PM
am I in the right month now.  the children's story sample awaits me on my home index KINDLE. I had picked it up from one of you I think. But I am halfway through the Larsson trilogy and hooked. discussion of human behavior and the human condition is fun and basic books to bounce off of helps move it along but I can't read in dribblets so will mostly follow the talk without messing it up.   claire
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Post by: marcie on May 25, 2010, 12:38:11 PM
My library also has "From the beast to the blonde: on fairy tales and their tellers" by Marina Warner. I don't know if it contains the text of some fairy tales or just talks about them. We could likely find a number of fairy tales online if it doesn't have them. JoanR, were you proposing the book? I'd be interested to read it.
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Post by: marcie on May 25, 2010, 12:40:51 PM
mrssherlock, my library currently has 33 holds on "When everything  changed : the amazing journey of American women, from 1960 to the present." Maybe we could consider that book for the future. Have you read it?
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Post by: JoanP on May 25, 2010, 12:59:13 PM
OK, I've heard a nomination for "From the Beast to the Blonde" - it's up there in the header...with the review JoanR brought to us.  If we use it as a jumping off source to get into individual fairy tales, I think that would be really interesting!  Claire, I know you can read those tales in "driblets" - we would  discuss them one at a time!  Oh I hope this gets selected.  Nice and light for the summer - and yet eye opening!
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 25, 2010, 03:41:13 PM
My library has Warner's book so that's ok.  I had Collins' book but didn't read it before it had to go back, no renewals allowed as there were holds.  There is one copy available, others on hold or checked out, so I've requested it again.
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Post by: marcie on May 28, 2010, 01:36:18 PM
There is a link to the voting poll for July in the heading of this discussion. CLICK HERE TO VOTE UNTIL JUNE 8!   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2556TGN)
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Post by: salan on May 31, 2010, 05:19:38 AM
Upcoming discussion:  Is it just me, or do you think "From beasts to Blondes" will be a difficult book to get a hold of?  My library doesn't have it, & amazon only has a few used copies, unless you want to pay $99.00 for a new one.
Sally
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Post by: kidsal on May 31, 2010, 05:26:19 AM
Bought a used copy from Amazon yesterday -- $11 with shipping.
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Post by: JoanP on May 31, 2010, 06:52:22 AM
Sally, several of us checked our libraries and found they did have copies of Marina Warner's Beast.   We thought that the discussion would use the book as a starting off place to examine the fairytales. For those who can't find it at a reasonable price, the fairy tales themselves are readily available and would be fun reading in the light of Warner's research.
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Post by: Babi on May 31, 2010, 08:26:38 AM
MARCIE, when I click on the link to the voting box, I just get the 'Survey
Monkey" site inviting me to sign up and create my own survey. No voting
box.  The e-mail bookbytes link did the same thing. 
  Anybody else having a problem?
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Post by: JoanP on May 31, 2010, 04:44:46 PM
Babi ...I checked both links in the header and in Marcie's post - each took me to the Survey.  Of course we value your vote and participation in the discussions.  Can you tell which link you clicked - where - and we'll check it again.
Has anyone else experienced what Babi is seeing?
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Post by: marcie on May 31, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Babi, if you go to the link a SECOND time, you'll get what you describe. I'm not sure why you got that page the first time you went to the poll. There are two questions. If you want to let me know  your first choice of book and (second question), ALL of the books that are listed that you'd like to discuss at some point, I'd be glad to go in the "back door" and cast your vote for you.
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Post by: Babi on June 01, 2010, 07:52:39 AM
 MARCIE, I tried the link in your post above, with the same result.  Would
this happen if I've already voted once?  I don't remember doing so, but...
 After all, my daughter and I are currently, uh, ..debating...on whose
version of an incident is correct.   :-\  :)
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Post by: marcie on June 01, 2010, 10:54:08 AM
Yes, after you vote once, the poll is no longer available to you and the link takes you to the "create a survey of your own" page.
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Post by: mrssherlock on June 01, 2010, 01:55:47 PM
Babi:  Maybe you were OBE (overtaken by events), something that happens often in my family.  In fact we're just coming out of an "event" right now.  ;)
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Post by: JoanR on June 01, 2010, 02:17:23 PM
Jackie - I like your definition of OBE.  It could be used a lot around my house and it's more likely to be awarded than the OBE which is the Order of the British Empire!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: mrssherlock on June 01, 2010, 06:14:20 PM
JoanR:  I wish I could claim it but I first saw it in a post here on SeniorLearn or on Seniors & Friends.
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Post by: straudetwo on June 01, 2010, 06:56:26 PM
Ginny,  still no little yellow Amazon box at the bottom of pages. The orange-ish Amazon logosign in the upperleft IS there.

My vote for the new selection was cast last week.
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Post by: Babi on June 02, 2010, 08:01:09 AM
JACKIE,...  ???  ::)
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Post by: JoanR on June 08, 2010, 03:15:38 PM
Hi!  Methinks today is the last day to vote for our upcoming selection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait to find out what it is!
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Post by: JoanP on June 09, 2010, 10:37:45 PM
Well, the wait is over, JoanR. From the Beast to the Blonde: On Fairy Tales and Their Tellers was a clear winner, followed by Frankenstein and La Lacuna a close third.

Since it is so close to July, we've decided to begin on July 1 with Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and then Blonds/Beasts in August to give folks time to locate the book.  More about both of these selections tomorrow!
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Post by: JoanP on June 11, 2010, 01:30:43 PM
Just opened - a discussion of young Mary Shelley's Frankenstein (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1482.0), which we plan to open on July 1.   Please drop in HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1482.0), and let us know if you are interested in joining us.  
If you've never read it, you are in for many fascinating surprises and an enjoyable discussion.
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Post by: JoanP on June 29, 2010, 08:55:08 AM
Have you ever actually read young Mary Shelley's early 19th century novel - Frankenstein?  It's not a long book, but it is a surprisingly good book.  I don't know what I was expecting - but I didn't expect to cry while reading it - but  I did!  The discussion will begin on Thursday, July 1 - you can drop in now and see what's going on -  Frankenstein (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1482.0)

Also - just opened - what should be a  really fascinating discussion of
  Fairy Tales and Their Tellers - (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=93.0) scheduled to begin August 1.  Even if you can't get your hands on Marina Warner's fantastic "From the Beast to the Blonde" - there will be links t a number of really fascinating links to the tales themselves - showing how they evolved over the ages.

Now, I'm going to remove the old nomination chart - and we will begin to accumulate titles for consideration for September/October discussion.   Let's try to come up with  find some good "meaty" suggestions  for Fall -

To get things going, I think I'll renominate Gulliver's Travels, as I've never read it and am forever running into references to it...and Barbara Pym's "Excellent Women" -
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Post by: Frybabe on June 29, 2010, 10:50:43 AM
JoanP, Excellent Women seems to be linked to another book.

I don't know how meaty the book is but with Halloween coming, maybe Dracula should have another shot. There certainly is a lot of material out on the net about the real Count and the castle.
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on July 01, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
A nonfiction anyone?  I just finished an excellent book - ZEITOUN by Dave Eggers - which is the story of a married couple and their ordeal during Hurricane Katrina.  ZEITOUN is the name of the father, who is a Muslim married to an American woman who converted to Islam long before she married.   It is a story written in a suspenseful way bound to keep your interest alive until the very last page.

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Post by: Ella Gibbons on July 01, 2010, 10:45:09 AM
I will make another suggestion while on this site.

LA'S ORCHESTRA SAVES THE WORLD by Alexander McCall Smith; an author many of you are familiar with.  The story takes place in 1939 when Lavender (LA) decides to flee London to escape the bombs and also her shattered marriage.  A delightful slim book that would make a good discussion; marrage, love, war, behavior.  It has it all.
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Post by: JoanP on July 05, 2010, 10:25:43 AM
These are great new additions - thank you Ella for descriptions of the two titles you nominated, especially the LA/Orchestra by Adam Smith which some of us may not be familiar with.

Please note too that the titles in the heading are linked to reviews of the suggested books.

Frybabe - Dracula is back - don't know what happened to the link to Excellent Women - it should be fixed now.  An excellent book, Escellent Women.  I hope you can read the review...
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Post by: kidsal on July 07, 2010, 04:13:32 AM
Found this book in my latest Bas Bleu catalog:

An Accomplished Woman, Jude Morgan

Lydia Templeton is a rare woman who eschews convention and declares herself content, even joyful in her unmarried state. After all, she is an accomplished Regency woman approaching 30 who values knowledge and accomplishment. There is no man she wishes to attach herself to after declining her neighbor, the extremely eligible Mr. Durrant, who remains a good friend to her father. Her complacent life is thrown into an uproar when her beloved godmother asks her to accompany her ward, Phoebe Rae, to Bath in pursuit of a marriage match. While in Bath, Lydia forms strong opinions regarding Phoebe’s suitors. Mr. Durrant, who has come to Bath in pursuit of his own marriage, disagrees, and to Lydia’s surprise, nothing goes according to plan. Morgan captures the tone, style, and content of a Jane Austen novel while introducing her own delightful characters, which are sure to please Austenophiles.
Review:  I picked this book up without much hope, having loathed every other Jane-imitator I've tried, but wow. Jude Morgan has not merely written a passable JA imitation, she has written a book that charms in its own right; it rings with wit, while also providing a story line that Regency fans will enjoy. Some of the characters are strongly reminiscent of JA; I recognized Mrs. Eldon and Lady Catherine DeBourgh, as amusing as ever. The heroine has some of the characteristics of both Elizabeth Bennet and Emma Woodhouse, but she is very much distinct from them, no mere faded copy. I highly recommend this to anybody who wants a good Austen-like (as opposed to Austen-rip-off) read.
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Post by: Aberlaine on July 07, 2010, 06:05:58 AM
Zeitoun sounds like a fascinating book.  Even if it's not chosen as a discussion book, I'm going to get it and read it myself.  Thanks, Ella, for suggesting it.

Nancy
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Post by: Frybabe on July 10, 2010, 08:41:51 AM
Someone brought up favorite scifi writers in another discussion. That got me to thinking. Have either of Bradbury's books, The Martian Chronicles or Fahrenheit 451, been discussed?

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Post by: JoanP on July 10, 2010, 03:52:22 PM
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Suggestions for Future Discussions (titles=links to reviews)


A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian (http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440) by Marina Lewycka

Kristin Lavransdatter Vol I - Bridal Wreath (http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440)

The Finkler Question- Man Booker Prize (http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440)by Howard Jacobson

Mark Twain Autobiography Vol I (http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440)by Samuel Clemens

Vanishing Act" (http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440)by Thomas Perry

Lacuna (http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440)by Barbara Kingsolver


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)




No, Frybabe, we haven't... - would you like to nominate one or both of Bradbury's books?  I was thinking that I'd like to try one of Ursala Le Guin's books...We seem to be thinking along the same line...  Her latest just won an award - you can read about it here. Cheek by Jowl (http://www.ursulakleguin.com/UKL_info.html)
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Post by: JoanR on July 10, 2010, 08:00:50 PM
I think Ursula LeGuin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" would make a good discussion.  I seem to remember that Michael Dirda of the Washington Post led a discussion of it back in the days of the Post's book club.  Anything Dirda recommends is OK for me anyway!  I had read the book myself before all that, though!

review:  Amazon.com Review
Genly Ai is an emissary from the human galaxy to Winter, a lost, stray world. His mission is to bring the planet back into the fold of an evolving galactic civilization, but to do so he must bridge the gulf between his own culture and prejudices and those that he encounters. On a planet where people are of no gender--or both--this is a broad gulf indeed. The inventiveness and delicacy with which Le Guin portrays her alien world are not only unusual and inspiring, they are fundamental to almost all decent science fiction that has been written since. In fact, reading Le Guin again may cause the eye to narrow somewhat disapprovingly at the younger generation: what new ground are they breaking that is not already explored here with greater skill and acumen? It cannot be said, however, that this is a rollicking good story. Le Guin takes a lot of time to explore her characters, the world of her creation, and the philosophical themes that arise.
If there were a canon of classic science fiction, The Left Hand of Darkness would be included without debate. Certainly, no science fiction bookshelf may be said to be complete without it. But the real question: is it fun to read? It is science fiction of an earlier time, a time that has not worn particularly well in the genre. The Left Hand of Darkness was a groundbreaking book in 1969, a time when, like the rest of the arts, science fiction was awakening to new dimensions in both society and literature. But the first excursions out of the pulp tradition are sometimes difficult to reread with much enjoyment. Rereading The Left Hand of Darkness, decades after its publication, one feels that those who chose it for the Hugo and Nebula awards were right to do so, for it truly does stand out as one of the great books of that era. It is immensely rich in timeless wisdom and insight.

The Left Hand of Darkness is science fiction for the thinking reader, and should be read attentively in order to properly savor the depth of insight and the subtleties of plot and character. It is one of those pleasures that requires a little investment at the beginning, but pays back tenfold with the joy of raw imagination that resonates through the subsequent 30 years of science fiction storytelling. Not only is the bookshelf incomplete without owning it, so is the reader without having read it. --L. Blunt Jackson --This text refers to an alternate Paperback edition.


Review
A jewel of a story. -- Frank Herbert

Another interesting SciFi book is "The Sparrow" by Andrea Doria Russell
      http://www.amazon.com/Sparrow-Mary-Doria-Russell/dp/0449912558
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Post by: Frybabe on July 10, 2010, 09:55:11 PM
I'll second that nomination JoanR. I bought the book last year when it was nominated. It is still on my TBR pile.

Since I already nominated a book, I don't think I should nominate another in this round. A note on Fahrenheit 451: while browsing Amazon I discovered that there are "Cliff Notes" for the book. Someone must use the book in college courses.
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Post by: JoanP on July 11, 2010, 07:04:32 AM
Some very interesting suggestions lately!  I'm on the road these days, with limited computer access.  Will be home tomorrow and plan to spend more time considering the latest nominations for fall discussions.  Kidsal, somehow I missed your mention of "An Accomplished Woman" the other day - sounds like something our Jane Austen fans would go for - and we have quite a number of them here.

I'm with you, Nancy.  Am putting these titles on my TBR list, whether chosen for group discussion or no.  - Which of those titles suggested by JoanR is on your list?  Joan- I'm with you on anything Michael Dirda recommends.  'The Left Hand of Darkness" is on the list.  Will spend some time on other titles you've mentioned - manana.  Thank you!
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Post by: PatH on July 11, 2010, 04:37:11 PM
"The Left Hand of Darkness" is a very good book.  I remember that Dirda was impressed with the evocative descriptions of the harsh wintry climate of the planet (that's background, not the point of the book).  The situation of a one-gender world has one looking at gender issues from an odd angle.  It also deals with issues of suspicion and trust, and a highly developed, rigid sense of honor.

But it is not a particularly easy read, making demands on the reader.  As with many of LeGuin's books, she takes time at the start to set up the situation carefully, so you understand the odd sociology and mindset involved, which means it gets off to a slow start.  And the political situation on the planet is somewhat complicated.  But as it gets going, and the action heats up, it gets quite exciting, and there are many memorable bits.  People who don't care for sci-fi might still like this book, as it's the "thinking what people are like" style, not the "Shoot-em-up space opera" style.

It's definitely got enough meat in it to make a good discussion, but the readers would have to be willing to give it a good try.  
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Post by: marcie on July 11, 2010, 07:10:29 PM
Frybabe, I loved both of those Bradbury books. They've both were discussed on the old seniornet.org website but, as Joan says, they haven't been discussed HERE. We have many participants now who were not part of those discussions, including myself. I'd love to talk about either of them.

Fahrenheit 451 in 2001. See archived discussion at http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/archives/fiction/Fahrenheit451.htm

Martian Chronicles in 2002. See archived discussion at http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/archives/fiction/MartianChron.html

I'd also love to be part of a discussion of "Left Hand of Darkness" and also LeGuin's latest non-fiction work, "Cheek by Jowl."
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Post by: PatH on July 11, 2010, 07:19:19 PM

"The Left Hand of Darkness" is a very good book.  I remember that Dirda was impressed with the evocative descriptions of the harsh wintry climate of the planet (that's background, not the point of the book).  The situation of a one-gender world has one looking at gender issues from an odd angle.  It also deals with issues of suspicion and trust, and a highly developed, rigid sense of honor.

But it is not a particularly easy read, making demands on the reader.  As with many of LeGuin's books, she takes time at the start to set up the situation carefully, so you understand the odd sociology and mindset involved, which means it gets off to a slow start.  And the political situation on the planet is somewhat complicated.  But as it gets going, and the action heats up, it gets quite exciting, and there are many memorable bits.  People who don't care for sci-fi might still like this book, as it's the "thinking what people are like" style, not the "Shoot-em-up space opera" style, but they will have to wait out the slow start.

It's definitely got enough meat in it to make a good discussion, but the readers would have to be willing to give it a good try.  
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Post by: Babi on July 12, 2010, 08:48:18 AM
You're repeating yourself, PAT.  ::)  :D
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Post by: PatH on July 12, 2010, 09:23:24 PM
Ooops.  Somehow, when I changed a word my post doubled itself and I didn't notice.   :-[
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Post by: JoanP on July 12, 2010, 09:28:52 PM
That's okay - it was a very good post - worth repeating! ;D
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Post by: marcie on July 13, 2010, 01:44:19 AM
Yes, definitely worth a second read!
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Post by: Frybabe on July 13, 2010, 03:16:25 PM
Thanks, Marcie, for the links to the discussions of Bradbury's books. That was way before I discovered you all.
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Post by: JoanP on July 13, 2010, 03:26:10 PM
Fry, which of the Bradbury books would you like me to put up??  Both?
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Post by: ANNIE on July 18, 2010, 03:45:40 PM
Read Pat Conroy's latest book, "South of Broad".  It would make a good discussion but nothing as serious as Ursulla Gann's book.  Too much for summer for me!  I seem to remember reading it long ago and far away.
Are you home and ready to go, JoanP.?
And JoanR, are you packed yet??? Oh, I forgot, you live in NY state, right?
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Post by: JoanR on July 18, 2010, 07:47:49 PM
Hi, Anne - N0, not packed yet!  But thinking about it.  Early in Sept. in NY can be quite warm.  I remember the kids sweltering in their new school clothes which they insisted on wearing although the temperature was still like summer!  We'll just have to keep an eye on the weather forecasts.  Have been busy casting counter-hurricane spells - here on Long Island we are particularly vulnerable and this year some demented weatherman has  predicted that it's our turn! Nope!  Won't happen!

I prefer to take buses wherever I go and I believe that Pedln is of a same mind.  I love the idea of sitting on a bench in the park on 14th St. with Pedln and Eloise and watcing the fascinating events unfold.  Good food across the avenue at Whole Foods and the Strand  down a block or two - there's a super movie theater further down in the viilage which always has something interesting and different although we won't be in NY to sit in a movie!  Just nice to know about it.
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Post by: JoanP on July 23, 2010, 07:16:38 PM
We've just now opened the vote for fall book discussions.  You can vote for your top choice in Part I of the poll and then in Part II click on ALL of those you would be interested in discussing at some time.  Some great choices - note that there are reviews linked to the book titles in the header in the Suggestion Box   (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=309.msg78842#msg78842) if you are not familiar with some of them.  

Are you ready? -
   Click Here to Cast your Vote!  (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3GVFW3V) -
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Post by: Babi on July 24, 2010, 08:28:29 AM
 Done!
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Post by: JoanP on July 24, 2010, 08:56:18 AM
 :)
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Post by: JoanP on July 28, 2010, 09:52:49 AM
Do keep on voting!  You have until August 7 - the results so far have been very interesting and exciting!
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Post by: JoanP on August 07, 2010, 04:10:20 PM
The Results are in - and you all have selected quite an interesting group of THREE in the lineup for the Fall.

ZEITOUN (Eggers)- An American epic. Fifty years from now, when people want to know what happened to the once great city of New Orleans during a shameful episode of our history, they will still be talking about a family named Zeitoun
We will read and discuss David Egger's  Zeitoun in September with Ella and JoanK.  This is a true story, but as gripping as Fiction.   Just  opened today -  Zeitoun (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1585.0) .  Please drop in now and let them know whether you will be part of the discussion.

LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS (Le Guin) - Story of a lone human emissary's mission to an alien world. Groundbreaking science fiction hat leaves you thinking about gender issues, "nature vs nurture," nationalism and more.  Proposed for October

EXCELLENT WOMEN (Pym) - High comedy about a never-married woman in her 30s, which in 1950s England makes her a nearly confirmed spinster.Often compared to Jane Austen  Proposed for November

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Post by: Babi on August 08, 2010, 08:09:51 AM
 Uh, errata there.  1950's England isn't the period of "An Excellent Woman".  I think that should be the 1750's.  The comparison to Jane
Austen is on the mark, only in this case the author is a man.
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Post by: JoanP on August 08, 2010, 10:30:49 AM
Babi, have you read Barbara Pym's  Excellent Women?  I just fininshed it - loved it.  It is set in post warII England.  She wrote the book early in her career as a writer - in 1952.  Becuase the book is quite short, I'm thinking that we might consider reading another more recent book of hers in the same month. Her Quartet in Autumn was shortlisted for the Booker Prize...more about Barbara Pym = http://www.barbara-pym.org/bio.html
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Post by: salan on August 08, 2010, 11:51:40 AM
JoanP, I am confused.  Is Zeitoun for Sept or Oct?  Ditto for Left Hand of Darkness.  Is the title for Pym's book Excellent Women?  That's the only title I could find with excellent woman in it??  Sounds like all three titles will be interesting.  Count me in.

Sally
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Post by: JoanP on August 08, 2010, 12:14:33 PM
You're confused!  You should stand in my shoes and you'd know what confused really means!  Zeitoun will discussed in September - Ella and JoanK just opened the site yesterday - do drop in and let them know you will join them.  They will be delighted!

Barbara Pym wrote "Excellent Women" - not just one.  I'll go fix that error wherever I can find it...

Thanks for alerting me to the confusion!
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Post by: Babi on August 09, 2010, 09:01:13 AM
Oops! My mistake, JOAN. I recently finished reading Jude Morgan's "An
Accomplished Woman", and confused it with the book you were posting about. I haven't read Pym's book.  :-[
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Post by: JoanP on September 29, 2010, 07:58:23 PM
Babi - hopefully you will read Pym's book - Excellent Women and also her Quartet in Autumn in November with us.  More about those two very soon.

I did read Jude Morgan's "An Accomplished Woman" - and agree with you - it is an excellent book.  I have to smile at the idea that both Pym's Mildred and Morgan's Lydia are considered "spinsters"  at the age of 31!  Such a word!  Where do you think the term "spinster" comes from?
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Post by: Babi on September 30, 2010, 08:00:23 AM
 Since you brought up the subject, naturally I had to find out.  Spinster comes from the ME
term 'spinsterre', a woman who spins.  Why that came to refer to a woman still single pas
a certain age, I couldn't say.  Maybe spinning was the most common occupation/pastime of
unmarried women of the middle ages.  The only way they could earn their keep, perhaps?
  I'll take a look at the Pym books, see it they hold my interest....if my library has them.
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Post by: straudetwo on October 07, 2010, 03:57:16 PM
The holidays are not far off, Halloween is just around the corner, so it may not be too early  to think of books to discuss in the New Year.  There is a large offering of books out there in both nonfiction and fiction.

Barbara Kingsolver's Lacuna  was mentioned recently in the Library, a novel about the often fractious relationship between the United States and Mexico. It would make for a good discussion.  We really know little about the history of our neighbor to the south in the 20th century.

A great deal of attention has been paid by critics  and readers alike to a book published in the UK in 2008  with the title "The Other Hand". The Anerican edition came out in 2009 and is titled  Little Bee .  The author is Londoner Chris Cleave;   this is his second book.  Its publication in Britain caused enormous excitement because of the author's first book, "Incendiary" (2005),  a stunning success,  that won several awards and was made into a movie.

"Incendiary" is about an Al Queda attack targetingin London a soccer match and seemed eerily prohetic because on the very day the book hit the book stores,  there was a real terrorist attack on the London tube.  

So when  "The Other Hand" appeared  in Britain three years later,  there was some skepticism as to whether  the second book would be a "worthy" successor to the sensational first book.  That has since been confirmed.  

Chris Cleave has a background in journalism and  has written a column for the Guardian.   His attention to detail and his  careful timing in Little Bee attest to that.

Little Bee is a book of our times, gripping in its intensity.  It deals with topics and issues \of global importance,  one is (especially illegal) immigration and its impact on society. Even so  this is not a political book because it is not about abstractions, parties or factions, but about people from different worlds and cultures,  and how they might react when they collide.  
On the back cover of the American paperback, the author requests that readers not reveal the ending to their friends.  

It would be helpful in planning if we could hear from readers of this forum how tyhey feel  abaout taking on this book.  Suffice it to say, there are other choices.
Thank you in advance.
Traude
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Post by: JoanP on October 07, 2010, 06:20:50 PM
It's time to select a title for our December group discussion.  Winter will be here before you know it!  Where is the time going?  We are looking for nominations for a good holiday book...one that is light, or uplifting - and maybe even give as a gift.
 Have you heard anything about Garth Stein's THE ART OF RACING IN THE RAIN (http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/art-racing-rain/garth-stein)?

From Bookmarks Magazine -
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"A heart-wrenching but deeply funny and ultimately uplifting story of family, love, loyalty, and hope, The Art of Racing in the Rain is a beautifully crafted and captivating look at the wonders and absurdities of human life . . . as only a dog could tell it."


Thank you for posting these suggestions for the coming year, Traudee.  THere has been much said about "Little Bee" lately.  Here's a review from The Washington Post -

Little Bee (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/24/AR2009022403232.html)

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Post by: Mippy on October 08, 2010, 01:35:43 PM
Re: Garth Stein's The Art of Racing in the Rain

Oh, dear, not my cup o' tea at all.  What a disappointment.  And I loved the Marley book, not the movie version.

I think that the dog was made so human that I gave up on the book.  Not at all uplifting!

I tried a sample on Kindle and decided not to get the book.
What experience have others had?
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Post by: ALF43 on October 08, 2010, 02:00:58 PM
   
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Little Bee is a young woman with a past so damaging that it seems to negate the possibility of a future, but her tensile stubbornness keeps her going. "Take it from me," she says at the outset, "a scar does not form on the dying. A scar means, I survived."
Any scar can form from a blemish to a terrible truama but to survive it- there's the rub!
Joan- That is a good quote from Little Bee that has prompted a great deal of thought since I read the story.  It's one of those stories that you continue to think about after you put the book down.

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He has carved two indelible characters whose choices in even the most straitened circumstances permit them dignity -- if they are willing to sacrifice for it. "Little Bee" is the best kind of political novel: You're almost entirely unaware of its politics because the book doesn't deal in abstractions but in human beings.

The politics is a hidden issue in this story - it is not the theme of this novel.
I love the structure and the way that the story elements have been arranged by this author.
Let's get this out there and see who else might be interested in discussing this story.  Now this is worthy of us.  It's got meat and thought.  It made me think a great deal about the word FAITH!  I'll get into that later.

"Blessed are all the emotions be they dark or bright."
` Nathaniel hawthorne
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Post by: ALF43 on October 08, 2010, 02:05:20 PM
oops- I thought I was posting in the DLS and here I am! ;D
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Post by: Babi on October 09, 2010, 09:21:15 AM
 I have to agree with MIPPY.  I opened the book and read a short bit.  The
narrator...supposedly the dog...sounds entirely human.  What was the point
of pretending it was the viewpoint of a dog?  It so obviously wasn't.
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Post by: JoanP on October 09, 2010, 09:31:43 AM
Thanks, Mippy, Babi...

Let's consider something else more suitable then.  December is usually a busy month for everyone - something light and easy might be best.
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Post by: Babi on October 09, 2010, 09:45:40 AM
 We must have been posting simultneously, JOANP, and mine got lost.
I mentioned that I've started reading "Vanishing Act", by Thomas Perry.
It's not a heavy book,  a suspense-type novel, but it is engrossing. More
to the point, it has fascinating background information on the Six Nations
of New York and the northeast...Seneca, Iroquois, etc.  Not to mention,
the fascinating mechanics of disappearing.  Plenty to discuss.
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Post by: salan on October 17, 2010, 04:49:49 PM
I suggest that we do something light for December.  Something fast, easy to read, and upbeat.  Can't think on any right now, but will sleep on it.  Something with a Christmas theme would be nice.
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on October 17, 2010, 05:39:46 PM
I agree, Sally!  We've had several suggestions - but we need something light as we all seem to be so busy in December, and yet want to share our high spirits with others here.  Yes, sleep on it and meet us back here.  I'll start entering the suggestions in the heading...
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Post by: Jonathan on October 18, 2010, 02:18:37 PM
I would like to suggest:

A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian, by Marina Lewycka.

It's described on the dust jacket as: "A wise, tender, deeply funny novel about an eccentric elderly Ukrainian widower in England and the struggles of his two feuding daughters to thwart the voluptuous young gold digger from the old country who sweeps him off his feet."

And about the author: "Marina Lewycka was born of Ukrainian parents in a refugee camp in Kiel, Germany, at the end of the war and grew up in England. She teaches at Sheffield Hallam University and is the author of six books on aspects of elder care. She is married, with a grown-up daughter, and  lives in Sheffield."

There are a hundred excited book reviews at this link:

http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440

On the other hand, how about the latest Man Booker Prize winner, advertised as 'hilarious'.

The Finkler Question by Howard Jacobson,/very articulate and very funny, but also, in the end, very serious. I'm happy Jacobson won the prize. I've always felt he should have won it for his earlier book Kalooki Nights,, a history, as he himself put it I think, of 5000 years of Jewish kvetching, or learning the art of bitter humor as a means of defense.
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Post by: JoanR on October 18, 2010, 02:32:07 PM
Thanks, Jonathan, for mentioning "Tractors" - that's a terrific little book, not too long and funny - good for December.  Your suggestion is better than mine which I had posted  in the library and will copy here:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have the old original 3vol. set of Kristin Lavransdattar which I read 60 years ago!  Would love to re-read vol.1.

Another thought - since there is so much attention focused on Mark Twain (his original autobiography in 2 volumes is coming out this month) I thought we might do a Twain book - Huck Finn or " Conn. Yankee in King Arthur's Court" or something lighter such as "Innocents Abroad" although that's fairly long.

The Morgan Library in NY has a special exhibit on Twain and there is another at the NY Public Library.  Also should be quite a few articles, etc. once the books are in the shops.  I've ordered Vol. 1 from Amazon, vol.2 doesn't seem to be available yet.  Twain didn't want these books to be published until 100 years after his death since he was pretty free with his opinions of everyone and everything in them!!  Should be fun.
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Post by: JoanP on October 21, 2010, 11:12:34 AM

Salan - something light with a Christmas-y theme - did you sleep on this? Maeve Binchy came to mind -  but not sure...

JoanR, there is a bit of enthusiasm for Kristin Lavransdatter in the Library, I see.  I was thinking of that for a nice long winter discussion - maybe March?
Jonathan - the Tractor Title alone grabs one's attention!

 I'll put these in  the heading with extra information and  links to reviews - as soon as I get back!  A work in progress.
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Post by: Gumtree on October 21, 2010, 11:35:10 AM
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Suggestions for Future Discussions (titles=links to reviews)


A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian (http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Tractors-Ukrainian-Novel/dp/1594200440) by Marina Lewycka

Kristin Lavransdatter Vol I - Bridal Wreath (http://www.norway.org/ARCHIVE/culture/literature/nunnally/) by Sigrid Undset

The Finkler Question- Man Booker Prize (http://www.bloomsbury.com/books/details.aspx?isbn=9781408808870)by Howard Jacobson

Mark Twain Autobiography Vol I (http://www.amazon.com/Autobiography-Mark-Twain-Vol-1/dp/0520267192/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_c)by Samuel Clemens

Vanishing Act" (http://bfgb.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/vanishing-act-by-thomas-perry/)by Thomas Perry

Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)by Barbara Kingsolver

Cutting for Stone (http://www.bookbrowse.com/reviews/index.cfm/book_number/2203/Cutting-For-Stone)by Abraham Verghese

American Caesars: Lives of the US Presidents, from Franklin D. Roosevelt to George W. Bush (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/24/american-caesars-nigel-hamilton) by Nigel Hamilton

The Feminist Promise:  1792 to the present (http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl/9780679643142.html) by Christine Stansell
 
Major Pettigrew's Last Stand (http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/major-pettigrews-last-stand-novel/helen-simonson) Helen Simonson

Clara and Mr. Tiffany (http://www.amazon.com/Clara-Mr-Tiffany-Susan-Vreeland/dp/product-description/1400068169)Susan Vreeland

A Novel Bookstore (http://www.complete-review.com/reviews/popfr/cossel2.htm)Laurence Cossé

Eight Months on Ghazza Street (http://kimbofo.typepad.com/readingmatters/2009/09/eight-months-on-ghazzah-street-by-hilary-mantel.html) by  Hilary Mantel


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)





Marina Lewycka's Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian is a bit of a hoot. I read it when it came out and noticed it on my shelves only a few days ago - mental telepathy Jonathan?
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Post by: salan on October 30, 2010, 04:40:57 AM
Help!  I can't find the discussion we had for possible December book suggestions.  I have an idea and don't know where to post it.
Sally
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Post by: marcie on October 30, 2010, 03:13:15 PM
You are in the right discussion here, Sally. Just post your ideas here.
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Post by: JoanR on October 30, 2010, 10:16:42 PM
I see the Mark Twain autobiography up in the list for voting - I just recieved vol 1 and have been browsing through it.  The book is HUGE - 700 pages, the first 200 pages are preliminary documents and essays, the autobiography proper begins after that.  I opened at random and read the section on Susie's death with tears running down my face.  Twain lost so many loved ones, you know, and wrote about them so affectedly.  This autobio is written in an unconventional way and I can see that I am going to absolutely love it.  HOWEVER, it's much too much of a muchness  (who said that?) for a December book which I thought was to be one of a lighter vein.
  If we are wanting to do one of his books - how about Huck?  Even that would be a pretty serious discussion.
  The Finkler Question has humor, I understand, but being the Booker winner might be on reserve lists in the libraries.
  Allegra Goodman has a new book out - The Cookbook Collector - I remember reading a good review of it.  Will hunt one up now
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Post by: JoanR on October 30, 2010, 10:21:45 PM
Here's the link to the review of"The Cookbook Collector"

http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Reviews-Essays/The-Cookbook-Collector/ba-p/2932

I remember reading her "Kaaterskill Falls" some while back and liking it a lot.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on October 31, 2010, 04:46:10 AM
Have you done The Bachelor Brothers Bed & Breakfast?  I read it a while ago and no longer have a copy, but I enjoyed it.

Nigel Slater's "Toast - the story of a boy's hunger" is also a good read and light, but not too light.  He is a famous cookery writer here - the book is about his rather fraught (but not as in misery memoirs or anything like that) childhood, and his first forays into the catering industry.  It's funny and also quite moving at times.

Speaking of which, I recall as a child borrowing a James Beard book from the library over and over again - I think he was brought up in Portland, and the thing I remember most about it was that he advocated using TEN eggs to make something - then if it went wrong, you were to throw it all away and start again.  Using more than 2 eggs in anything would have given my mother a panic attack (I suppose we were then not long out of post-war rationing, to be fair, although for those of us who were born after that it all seemed like ancient history).

Rosemary
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Post by: Babi on October 31, 2010, 08:47:55 AM
 Having grown up in a fairly frugal household, I find myself bothered when I watch chefs throw
away so much perfectly good food.  They are concerned with preparing neat, elegant cuts
from the center of what they are working on; the rest gets trashed.  I keep hearing my
grandmother's voice murmuring about the poor hungry children who would love what I waste.
I remember replying once that I would be happy to send them what was on my plate, but I
didn't know how.  The dear lady frowned, but didn't know quite how to answer.
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Post by: Frybabe on October 31, 2010, 12:27:47 PM
With my Mom, it was the starving children in China. My BF's mother brought up the starving Armenians. For a long time he thought it was a family down the street somewhere.
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Post by: Gumtree on October 31, 2010, 12:41:52 PM
Yep, we got the starving children in China too - though it was always my dad who said it. Somehow it always chastened us enough to eat whatever it was we'd complained about.

I could keep house for a week on the amount of food my son and DIL waste before, during and after a dinner party. I try not to say anything.
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Post by: Jonathan on October 31, 2010, 02:30:19 PM
I would like to see The Cookbook Collector added to the list of proposals. The review makes it sound like a good read, and  its 'fascination with moral ambiguities' would no doubt make for a good discussion. I take it that cookbooks per se have the same relevance to the main theme as tractors in the Lewycka book.

Huckleberry Finn could be fun as nostalgia -  as a picture of a bygone American national character.

Forget about the Finkler Question. I put a reserve on it and was  told there are 650 ahead of me!
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Post by: rosemarykaye on October 31, 2010, 02:32:26 PM
With us it was the starving children of Biafra.  I was never convinced that they would like liver  :) (I do in fact like it now but the stuff served up at home was cooked until it was well and truly Dead - awful).

I still feel cross when my children waste food - the top contentious issue is whether or not they can possibly eat a banana whose skin is not 100% yellow.  You can guess who says yes.  I've just made yet another loaf of banana bread to rescue some more bananas from an undeserved trip to the compost.  i know that probably means I've spent twice the cost of the bananas on the sugar, dates, cherries, etc, but at least everyone will eat it.  They are also terrible for eating just round the middle bit of an apple or  pear, then slipping it into the compost before I see them.  I think I need to get another dog to use up all the bits off the plates (another example of spending a fortune to save a penny, but I fear it's in the blood!)

And don't you feel irritated when you see how much food people leave on plates in restaurants?  Oh yes, this is great grumpy old woman material  ;)

Rosemary
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Post by: Babi on November 01, 2010, 08:20:14 AM
 ROSEMARY, I was interested to see you put cherries and dates in your banana bread.
Sounds scrumptious. As to leftovers, I'm quite often unable to finish a restaurant
plate of food, but that's what take-out boxes are for. What I can't eat now is lunch
for tomorrow.
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Post by: salan on November 01, 2010, 06:50:36 PM
Instead of choosing one book for December, what if we just read books with Christmas themes?  There are many out there with various themes (cooking, mystery, historical fiction, etc.)  We could share what we are reading and give recommendations.  I don't think I want to read any one book in depth in December.  I always choose light reading for that month.  We could also share any really good recipes that we have discovered, or traditional family recipes.  What do you think??
Sally
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Post by: rosemarykaye on November 01, 2010, 07:00:20 PM
Babi - that's where you Americans have such good ideas - we do not have take-out boxes in this country, you are just supposed to leave it on your plate, and I dread to think what happens to it afterwards.

The other day we were having coffee in a hotel.  We had some butter in a dish, and the waitress accidentally took it away before I was finished with it.  I couldn't find anyone to ask about it, so I walked into the kitchen - just in time to hear the waitress ask the chef if she should throw my butter (into which we had both stuck our jammy knives) out or put it into the next person's dish!

Sally - sounds like a good idea to me.  I am trying to think of Christmassy books, but so far have only come up with Dickens.

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanP on November 01, 2010, 09:23:45 PM
I'm away from my desk for a long weekend - on a computer in a motel - you may know what I'm experiencing here...

We'll be home late tomorrow afternoon and I'll try t catch up with you all.  I love these suggestions - and will put them into the header tomorrow for consideration for the coming year.   For December, rather than attempt to find a book to fill all expectations - holiday, light, funny... the DLs have decided to hold a Holiday Open House  of Memories -
We'll be discussing a short story at the start of each week - and much more.  Stay tuned.

That doesn't mean we won't consider the suggestions you have brought here  - in the future.  Will consider each one - tomorrow!  Thanks!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on November 01, 2010, 11:56:55 PM
Memories of reading at Christmas – OH my - So many Christmas books that the season is too easily filled with reading and reading and reading with little time for all the other activities. Hmmm maybe that is my excuse to start early as in before Thanksgiving.

Of course as Rosemary said, so many from Dickens - the obvious and then, the Cricket on the Hearth, A Christmas Tree, John Spatter and others in What Christmas is as we Grow Older, the Traveler who lost the child in A Child's Story.

However, each year I must read - Dylan Thomas, A Child's Christmas in Wales - and of course, both Paddington and the chapter from Wind in the Willows where Badger's finds his old house and he and Ratty celebrate Christmas in it.

Patrick Taylor is a really nice writer that I found a couple of years ago – he has a whole group of books now about Doctors in Rural Ireland just before WWII - reminds me of Herriot's stories except Herriot is a Vet - Patrick Taylor has The Irish Christmas that is a delight. Speaking of Herriot, you have to include his The Christmas Day Kitten .

Then Tolstoy's The Other Wise Man - and O’Henry’s Little Match Girl as well as - oh cannot remember the name of it - she cuts her hair and he sells the watch…

There is, Christmas Day at Sea by Conrad and Mark Twain's My First Christmas Tree and the wonderful Truman Capote’s heartbreaking One Christmas and also his The Thanksgiving Visitor.

Mrs. Brownlow's Christmas Party by Allen - and A Red Bird Christmas by Fannie Flagg - Rachel Field's The Bird's Christmas.

Oh yes, and Washington Irving’s Old Christmas, Damon Runyon Dancing Dan's Christmas, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, yes, The Blue Carbuncle is a Christmas story. And of course Agatha is in on Christmas with Hercules Poirots solving The Adventure of the Christmas Pudding

Laura Ingalls Wilder, Christmas in the Big Woods, and by Anne Perry A Christmas Secret: A Novel    Least we forget this classic, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight remember the Green Knight strode in during Christmas Dinner with his challenge.

In addition, the marvelous collection of Christmas stories by Thackeray The Christmas Books of Mr. M. A. Titmarsh: Mrs. Perkins Ball. Our Street. Dr. Birch and His Young Friends. the Kickleburys On the Rhine. the Rose and the Ring and Sir Walter Scott had a magazine now a book Christmas in the Olden Time - We cannot forget Seuss How the Grinch Stole Christmas! Yes, a child's story but oh how wonderful. I really think the movie did a lot to elevate the story into an ageless classic.

There are the sappy Christmas tear-jerker’s like The Best Christmas Pageant Ever by Barbara Robinson and Elaine Stritch and The Littlest Angel by Charles Tazewell and Katherine Evans.

For heart wrenching you have to read Robert E. Lee's Letter to his Daughter written December 21, 1866. Even Harper Lee, author of To Kill a Mockingbird wrote for Christmas, Christmas To Me

And for me - the very best - my favorite - several of the Miss Read stories, especially The Christmas Mouse - it just isn't Christmas without reading abut Mrs. Berry, her daughter, two Grand-daughter’s Christmas Eve shopping in the Village followed by Mrs. Berry’s sleepless night with the intruder.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on November 02, 2010, 04:29:05 AM
Wow, Barb, what a fantastic list - some I'd heard of and some I hadn't, but none I could remember before you kindly jogged my ancient brain cells - thanks so much for all this material.

The scene in the Wind in the Willows is wonderful - one of my very favourite books.

The only other thing I can think of is a book my daughters and I have enjoyed - Eloise at Christmas, in the big hotel overlooking Central Park.

I was interested to read about the Irish doctor books, as years ago I spent quite a few Christmasses in Ireland with my friend and her huge family.  I have wonderful memories of staying on the farm, and of all the socialising with neighbours and friends that went on at that time of year.

Rosemary
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Post by: Babi on November 02, 2010, 07:09:48 PM
 Understandable, ROSEMARY.  He wrote so many Christmas stories!  I notice, tho', that
many of our mystery writers like to turn out short Christmas-themed mysteries. They are
usually lighter than the general run of mysteries, in keeping with the season
  Oh, BARB, so many great Christmas stories. I see so many treasures!  We really must read
some of them during December.  Maybe we should start immediately after Thanksgiving.  :)
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Post by: JoanP on November 04, 2010, 12:04:32 PM
In a few weeks we will open a Holdiay Memories Open House - you have provided so many great ideas for this discussion!  I think it's going to be a lot of fun.  Please plan on joining in as you go about your holiday preparations.  I'm really interested to hear about your memories from way back THEN and also which traditions you still carry on...
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Post by: JoanK on November 06, 2010, 02:53:55 PM
BARB: what a wonderful list!
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Post by: Babi on November 28, 2010, 08:48:59 AM
 JOANP, I am currently reading a book recommended by SL readers, entitled "Cutting for Stone"
by Abraham Verghese.  It is an excellent book and I am finding so much in it that would be great
material for discussion.  I would very much recommend it for our suggestion box.
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Post by: JoanP on November 28, 2010, 12:45:19 PM


Goodness, Babi - what a book!  Where did you hear about it - did someone recommend it or did you just come upon it by chance?  Is this based on a true story, do you know?  Thanks for the recommendation...

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The plot of this big, dense book is fairly straightforward. Marion and Shiva Stone are born one dramatic afternoon in 1954 in Addis Ababa, the same day their mother — a nun, Sister Mary Joseph Praise — dies of complications from her hidden pregnancy. The boys are conjoined at the skull, yet separated at birth; they are raised by Dr. Kalpana Hemlatha, a forceful woman known as Hema, and Dr. Abhi Ghosh, both immigrants from Madras and both doctors at the hospital where the boys’ natural parents also worked. Missing Hospital, it’s called: “Missing was really Mission Hospital, a word that on the Ethiopian tongue came out with a hiss so it sounded like ‘Missing.’ ” They grow up amid the political turmoil of Ethiopia (its actual chronology altered slightly by Verghese to suit his fictional purposes), and in 1979 Marion flees, first to Nairobi and finally to New York, where he qualifies as a surgeon. Shiva, too, goes into medicine, specializing in treating vaginal fistula, for which work he is acclaimed in this very newspaper, a sure sign of his renown. Almost supernaturally close as children, the brothers become more and more distant as the novel progresses; they are dramatically reunited at its end — through the mysterious agency of the long-vanished Thomas Stone.
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Post by: salan on November 28, 2010, 06:42:59 PM
Cutting for Stone is my ftf book choice for our May discussion.  I haven't read it yet; but am looking forward to it.  I am glad to hear that others highly recommend it.
Sally
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Post by: Babi on November 29, 2010, 08:47:48 AM
 JOAN, someone hear at SL was posting about it...don't remember who.  It is fiction, but the
author was born in Ethiopia of Indian parents, like the two that raised the twins in the book. The rest is fiction, but of course reflects the people and culture of Ethiopia accurately.  And all the
medical references are factual as well, as the author is a well-established doctor.
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Post by: Frybabe on February 15, 2011, 11:49:57 PM
Sheila just brought up the question of what we will be reading in March. The last list of possibles I see is on Oct. 21. There are at least two on that list I would like to read, The Lacuna and A Short History of Tractors in Ukrainian.
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Post by: Aberlaine on February 16, 2011, 08:02:57 AM
I would love to read "Cutting for Stone" or "Vanishing Act".

Right now we're in the middle of reading "Empire of the Summer Moon".  Quite a lively discussion and lots to learn!
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Post by: JoanP on February 16, 2011, 01:36:43 PM
Sheila, the Bookclub Online discussion for February, the Empire of the Summer Moon,  is a surprisingly good one. I agree with Nancy.  I don't know why I was surprised - I guess it didn't seem like my kinda story - the Indians and Texas Rangers on the Plains.  But it is hard to put down!  We'll continue that in February.

The Bookclub Online for March is Homer's Odyssey...this begins now - mid February and will go through March.

In April, the Paul Scott series will continue with sort of a coda to the Raj Quartet, Staying On - though the book can stand alone - won the Booker prize on its own merits.

We are gearing up for a vote for the April Bookclub Online discussion and I'm happy to hear there is interest in some of the titles mentioned since the last vote.
We're  still taking nominations for the vote...there have been several titles suggested elsewhere - I'll bring them here and put them in the heading this afternoon.

Thanks for your continued interest!
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Post by: Frybabe on February 16, 2011, 03:44:42 PM
Thanks, JoanP. I didn't know if we had an ending time frame for Odyssey. I guess I assumed that the Classical Book Discussion was separate from our general picks.
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Post by: JoanP on February 16, 2011, 03:58:29 PM
When we saw that so many of our posters had signed on for Odyssey, we decided to make it the March selection...with an early start in February.

At this point, I don't think anyone is sure what the end date will be... ;)  In 1996 or 7, we talked about it for a year!
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Post by: serenesheila on February 17, 2011, 04:33:49 PM
I have a book which I would like to suggest.  It is:  "The Feminist Promise:  1792 to the present".  Also:  "American Caesars". by Nigel Hamilton.

Sheila
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Post by: salan on February 17, 2011, 05:55:21 PM
I guess I assumed that the Odyssey was  for a different discussion group (classics, perhaps).  I am disappointed because I don't feel like struggling thru reading it again.  I also assumed that Staying On was also part of another discussion.  I know a number of you participated in The Raj Quartet.  I know that you can't please everyone, so will hang in there and wait for other books to come up.
Sally
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Post by: PatH on February 17, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
Sally, don't give up on us.  Odyssey is still close enough to starting that it would be easy to join in (the first 500 posts are prologue).

Staying On is not part of anything else.  Although it follows the Raj Quartet, it stands alone, and I am going to be part of the discussion even though I haven't read any of the Quartet.
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Post by: Gumtree on February 18, 2011, 10:23:50 AM
PatH: you must read the Quartet. I hadn't read any of it until we had the discussion for the Jewel - after that I just had to go on to the end although I think each of the novels stands alone. It was one of the best reads I've had in years - Paul Scott is a master and superb with the language. I plan to reread it all ...sometime.
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Post by: JoanP on February 18, 2011, 05:51:30 PM
Thanks for the latest suggestion, Sheila!  I'll be back this evening to enter a bunch of new ones proposed around the site - before we vote~  Again, thanks!
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Post by: Aberlaine on February 20, 2011, 07:51:37 PM
I will also wait to hear what the April book choice will be.  I'm not interested in reading the Odyssey or Staying On.  I did try to read the Raj Quartet and managed to finish the first book.  I will try to read them all in time.

There are so many books on my list to be read.  I'm always reading at least one book for my f2f book club (this month it's Drowning Ruth).  I think I'll take March and April to listen to the books I have on my mp3 player: Roses, The Vanishing Act and Stones into Schools.

Be back later.
Nancy
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Post by: JoanP on February 21, 2011, 11:53:37 AM
Nancy,  hope you vote - it's the only way we can tell where the interest lies.  I've put up a few titles our participants have posted about in other sites.  There's still time to add to the list in the heading above.  We'll have two votes - the first to narrow the list and the second to select severals to discuss in the spring...

Remember, the titles in the heading are links to reviews - in case you want to learn more about the nominated books.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on February 21, 2011, 01:01:02 PM
JoanP - I am not sure if we are supposed to be able to post in the list above, but if so, I have failed!  I wondered if anyone would be interested in reading "Eight Months on Ghazza Street" by Hilary Mantel?  I read it years ago but still remember it as a wonderful book (and it's quite short) - it's about a woman who goes with her husband to live in a strict Arab country (it's for his job).  She is more or less holed up in the apartment block where they live, as she's not allowed to do anything.  A mystery develops about the woman in the flat opposite.  I can't remember all the details but I know it was good!  Hilary Mantel is a fabulous writer.

R

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Post by: JoanP on February 21, 2011, 01:48:16 PM
Sounds great, Rosemary!  Reminds me of an assignment my husband had in Kiev years ago.  He became so concerned for my safety that when he told me I'd have to stay inside for two years unless he was with me, I refused to go. ;)

You did fine posting here as you did.   For those who want to read more about this title:
Eight Months on Ghazza Street (http://kimbofo.typepad.com/readingmatters/2009/09/eight-months-on-ghazzah-street-by-hilary-mantel.html) by  Hilary Mantel

ps...whenever you want to do another PYM, I'd be up for it...

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Post by: JoanK on February 21, 2011, 06:55:48 PM
Me too!
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Post by: JoanR on February 22, 2011, 10:01:42 AM
Good idea!  Perhaps our Pym expert would like to choose a title for us!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on February 22, 2011, 10:51:34 AM
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FINAL RUN OFF- VOTE: HERE (click link) for Spring discussions.
 (CHOOSE THREE TITLES)
 (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H8CZ9VB)
Vote between March 8 - 13

You might want to read something about them first - the following TITLES are links to reviews.


The Finkler Question- Man Booker Prize (http://www.bloomsbury.com/books/details.aspx?isbn=9781408808870)by Howard Jacobson

Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)by Barbara Kingsolver

Cutting for Stone (http://www.bookbrowse.com/reviews/index.cfm/book_number/2203/Cutting-For-Stone)by Abraham Verghese
 
Major Pettigrew's Last Stand (http://www.bookmarksmagazine.com/book-review/major-pettigrews-last-stand-novel/helen-simonson) Helen Simonson

Clara and Mr. Tiffany (http://www.amazon.com/Clara-Mr-Tiffany-Susan-Vreeland/dp/product-description/1400068169)Susan Vreeland

A Novel Bookstore (http://www.complete-review.com/reviews/popfr/cossel2.htm)Laurence Cossé

The Sweet Dove Died (http://www.powells.com/biblio/65-9781559213011-2) by Barbara Pym
Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)







Has anyone heard from Kiwi?
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Post by: rosemarykaye on February 22, 2011, 12:47:32 PM
No, I was thinking about her, I hope she is OK.

I am no Pym expert - you need Tom for that - but the ones I would like to do are A Glass of Blessings, No Fond Return of Love and Some Tame Gazelle.  I think the first two would give more "meat" for discussion, although STG is one of my very favourites.  Another one that might be good for a discussion is The Sweet Dove Died - it's a bit different from the standard churchgoing spinster ones, as the main character is a rather selfish woman who "likes beautiful things" and is determined to have them.  She is a faded beauty but has a sort of relationship with the much younger nephew of an antiques dealer. Predictably the relationship is doomed to failure, but the uncle is keen to step in.  A Glass of Blessings is also about a selfish woman, Wilmet, but IMO she's much more fun, and in some ways resembles Elizabeth in Pride & Prejudice, in that she thinks she is controlling everything but is in fact oblivious to what is going on under her nose.
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Post by: JoanP on February 23, 2011, 07:58:50 AM
Thanks, Rosemary -  your recommendations mean a lot to us.  They will stay here for future reference.  I'm thinking of putting up Sweet Dove Died for a spring discussion.  Does anyone else like this one?  It sounds a bit different, though still Pym -
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Post by: Gumtree on February 23, 2011, 08:59:42 AM
Kiwilady lives somewhere in or around Auckland in the North Island of NZ - The quake is in Christchurch in the South Island.

I see lots of books have been nominated - how to choose - the Vreeland looks interesting but so do many of the others...
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Post by: PatH on February 23, 2011, 10:32:57 AM
This is a really good list of books we have put together.  In my mind, several are very closely tied for first place.  I hope that on the first round at least, we will get to vote for 2 or 3 books, as that will give a much more accurate notion of the interest in each book.
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Post by: JoanP on February 23, 2011, 12:15:05 PM
Good idea, PatH - we'll do just that!
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Post by: JoanR on February 23, 2011, 02:29:08 PM
"The Sweet Dove Died" sounds interesting to me.  Up to now I've been rooting for "Lacuna" since I was given it a year and a half ago and I do like Kingsolver's work.  The trouble is that there are at least 3 other books on that list that I would like to see win!!  What to do? How to vote? " Gloriosky, Sandy!" as Little Annie Rooney (or was it Orphan Annie?) used to say in the long, long ago!
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Post by: JoanK on February 23, 2011, 03:08:30 PM
Here, here!
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Post by: JoanP on February 23, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
If each one of us selects our top three choices in the preliminary vote, I think that would certainly pare down the list.  Let's see how many are left standing after that for the second vote...We want to select the titles which  are on most people's list of favorites...

We'll vote in a week.  Still open for nominations, though... :D
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Post by: Babi on February 24, 2011, 08:06:09 AM
 With three to vote for,  I would expect every book to have at least one
vote.  You'll need a cut-off number of votes to decide which ones to
drop.
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Post by: Gumtree on February 24, 2011, 08:44:03 AM
There are six books on the list that could get my No 1 vote - I'll have to work hard to select my top three - if that's how we end up voting.
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on February 26, 2011, 02:26:46 PM
I vote for CUTTING FOR STONE, it was wonderful.  The Washington Post review - "Masterful ... Verghese’s gripping narrative moves over decades and generations from India to Ethiopia to an inner-city hospital in New York, describing the cultural and spiritual pull of these places. . . . Even with its many stories and layers, Cutting for Stone remains clear and concise." 

A marvelous story.

 
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Post by: pedln on February 28, 2011, 11:16:37 AM
I can't say enough good things about Major Pettigrew's Last Stand.  I loved every bit of it. Cutting for Stone is already on my Kindle and I'm looking forward to reading it sometime.  My kids gave me Tractors in Ukranian a couple years ago; it was okay, but I didn't finish it.

Eight Months on Ghazza STreet sounds fascinating.  Maybe a good read.  I don't know about Novel Bookstore -- the comments in the link above speak highly about it, but then they talk about disappointment.  Who knows?

But Major Pettigrew is superb.
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Post by: salan on February 28, 2011, 06:51:33 PM
I have Cutting for Stone on my Kindle.  I haven't read it yet, but am looking forward to it.  I also would like to read Major Pettigrew's Last Stand.  Kingsolver is a good writer and The Lacuna also sounds good.
When do we get to vote?
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on February 28, 2011, 07:43:47 PM
Sally, we plan to start tomorrow - but since you're here, do you want to be the first to try?  Look at the heading, the  first post at the top of this page.  Let me know if you have any problems at all...  Thanks!
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Post by: Frybabe on March 01, 2011, 12:28:06 AM
I've made my choices. Gosh, was that ever difficult this time.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 01, 2011, 01:21:39 AM
OK, I have voted!  Looking forward to hearing the results.

Rosemary
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Post by: Gumtree on March 01, 2011, 02:08:45 AM
So have I - no sense in putting off the inevitable but it was such a difficult choice for 2nd and 3rd -
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on March 01, 2011, 02:41:45 AM
Me too - hoping to join a 'light' read as if we were chatting over morning coffee - there is so much angst and brutality with the morning news it would be so lovely to have a feel good read to discuss - I know - we probably all feel differently about this - we shall see what we shall see
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 01, 2011, 03:05:51 AM
Oh I absolutely agree - maybe there should be a "light reads" section?!

I have just scraped all the ice off my car to drive daughter to meet school bus, and on the radio, as you so rightly say, all doom and gloom apart from the snippet that Colin Firth left his Oscar on the cistern in the men's loos  :D - he's so human...

But the drive back was just fabulous - glorious winter sunshine rising over the hills beyond Ballater, river sparkling - beautiful.

Rosemary
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Post by: Babi on March 01, 2011, 08:36:03 AM
 Thanks for that lovely image of winter sunshine sparkling on the ice,
ROSEMARY.  But I'd rather imagine it than drive in it.  ;)
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 01, 2011, 01:42:02 PM
Actually Babi, the roads were fine, it was just ice on the car windows.  I hate icy roads and drive like a snail, but today was just glorious - I went for a walk, blue skies and pine trees - reminded me of Newfoundland in summer, beautiful.

Rosemary
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on March 01, 2011, 01:54:44 PM
It's lovely in Ohio also, blinds are up.  Sunshine pouring in, lighting everything.   When my sister stays with me, she will not allow the blinds to be down at all; I keep them down on the gloomy days of winter.  Try to stay cozy.

I've voted also and agree it was difficult. 
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Post by: JoanK on March 01, 2011, 03:37:43 PM
Hey, the first sign of Spring has appeared -- not robins or crocus, but Girl Scout Cookies. (I don't know how people in countries without girl scouts ever know that spring is coming).
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Post by: Babi on March 02, 2011, 08:51:51 AM
 Sounds lovely, ROSEMARY.  (sigh[/]sh I could have joined you.

 JOANK, my daughter is a sucker for the little girls selling cookies...not
to mention the cookies themselves.  Every year I know that one day
she's going to walk in the door loaded with Girl Scout cookies.
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Post by: pedln on March 02, 2011, 10:11:26 AM
Every Girl Scout knows that the GS founder was Juliet Low.  They might not know that for years Girl Scouts have been allowed to sell cookies on the sidewalk in front of Juliet Low's historic home in Savannah, GA.  Well, guess what, some other business person complained last year, and now the Girl Scouts cannot sell their cookies in front of Juliet Low's house.

(I saw that in a news article and now I can't find it.)
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on March 02, 2011, 10:56:24 AM
news happens quickly  - yes they can Savannah says they can sell cookies at the Juliet Low house.

http://savannahnow.com/news/2011-03-02/savannah-allow-girl-scouts-sell-cookies-low-house
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Post by: PatH on March 02, 2011, 11:58:29 AM
Well, thank goodness they solved that one.
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Post by: JoanP on March 06, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
If you've put off expressing your preferences for upcoming Spring discussions, there is still time.  You have one more day.  The ballot box is in the Suggestion Box heading - HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=309.new#new).  (The book titles in the heading are links to reviews of the books.  Read them first, before entering the ballot box.  Once you have entered the vote, you can't go back in a second time.  (If you had trouble, please email me your top three choices.)

No neighborhood Girl Scouts came to our door this year - they have all grown and gone to college.  Often, when the orders come in, they can be found selling them at supermarket entrances...
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Post by: JudeS on March 06, 2011, 12:59:55 PM
Although I think "Cutting for Stone" is a fantastic Novel and even met the author(He came to our f2f bokk club meeting),I wonder how the most popular book in America is not on the list.
That book is "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo".For those who have not read the three book series or not seen the Swedish movies of all three books you are missing out on a fascinating slice of life from a different country (Sweden). The books touch on some of the deepest problems of Society and deal with the history of Europe from the time of the Second World War.
The heroine is quirky,brave and never to be forgotten and the unlikely hero is the epitomy of what one would want in a journalist.So I wish to put on the list:
The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo bt Steig Larson. (It is in paperback)
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Post by: kidsal on March 07, 2011, 02:41:16 AM
I have read all three books of the series and seen the movies.  Great thriller!  Don't hold out much hope for the American version as the Swedish scenery adds so much to the movies.  They are even holding tours for tourists to visit the sites mentioned in the books.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 07, 2011, 04:45:14 AM
I would like to do these but I have already voted!  Never mind.

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanP on March 07, 2011, 08:21:32 AM
It's interesting that no one has suggested we discuss either of Steig Larson's two books, Judy.  Until now. (No one nominated "The Help" either)  As Rosemary pointed out, we are presently voting on the rather lengthy nominated titles right now..but will put Tatoo on the next list to see if our readers are interested in discussing it in the future.

We're about ready for the final vote on those titles that made the cut...  
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Post by: Babi on March 07, 2011, 09:09:30 AM
It's a matter of taste, of course, JUDE, but I did not find
Steig Larson at all enjoyable. His writing style seemed so heavy;
I felt immersed in a grey landscape.
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Post by: pedln on March 07, 2011, 09:18:04 AM
My f2f group did read and discuss the first of the trilogy, and some of the members had read all three.  I enjoyed it and have seen a couple of the movies.  But I think much of the interest now is the because of the author background, the family situation and the phenomenal manner in which the books were published.
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Post by: kidsal on March 07, 2011, 12:42:07 PM
All three of the movies are now available on Netflix.  Can watch on Instant Play.
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Post by: Frybabe on March 07, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Can't wait to find out which book comes out on top. In the meantime, I found a good price on Major Pettigrew's Last Stand at Border's so I bought it.
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Post by: Aberlaine on March 07, 2011, 03:33:27 PM
The Help was an awesome book.  And, if we decide to read it in the future, I'd love to read it again.  I originally listened to it as an audio book, but bought the hard copy because I knew I wanted it in my "library".
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Post by: JoanP on March 07, 2011, 11:51:44 PM
You've been so patient!  There was a last minute change in the number of choices you may make in the last vote.  Remember, there is a longer review of each title in the heading above.  If you want to read them you need to do it before voting or you might find yourself locked out.  There is also a short description of each book title within the voting box...to refresh your memory.

 
VOTE HERE (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H8CZ9VB)
 for  the SECOND and FINAL VOTE  for Spring discussions.  

ps  We'll stat a new list for the next vote next week - and add the titles suggested here  this week.-
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Post by: Babi on March 08, 2011, 08:01:15 AM
 I'm getting lost.  The "Second and Final" vote is also for three choices?
And there is another vote next week?  Is that the one where the top
choices are offered and we pick one?    ???
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Post by: JoanP on March 08, 2011, 08:18:36 AM
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Nominations for June/July Discussion:  

 (Note that book titles are  linked to reviews)    



Lacuna (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/books/review/Schillinger-t.html)by Barbara Kingsolver


Freedom (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/books/review/Tanenhaus-t.html)by Jonathan Franzen


Kristin Lavransdatter Vol I - Bridal Wreath (http://www.norway.org/ARCHIVE/culture/literature/nunnally/) by Sigrid Undset






Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)


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Post by: JoanP on March 08, 2011, 08:21:44 AM
Babi - yes, if you click on the Second and FINAL vote, you get to choose three titles - for three upcoming discussions.

Hmm...no VOTE next week though.  This is it - FINAL VOTE - Choose top three favs... ;) between today, March 8 and Sunday, March 13

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Post by: Babi on March 08, 2011, 08:51:57 AM
 I'll look again.  Actually, I think only one of my original choices is on
the second vote.  A couple I've read and really enjoyed, but don't
feel like reading again.  I'll be interested to see what comes up on top.
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Post by: ALF43 on March 08, 2011, 09:40:48 AM
The link above, to vote, will not open.  It says that Firefox does not recognize it. Is anyone else having a problem with the link or is it my*(&%$#*^%$#@ COMPUTER?
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Post by: JoanP on March 08, 2011, 10:12:21 AM
Babi, I hope the confusion has cleared up before we advertise this last survey is opened.  If you have any more comments or questions, please post here.

Andy, that's serious.  Let me take the question to a higher power - and will get back to you as soon as I hear anything.  Don't see how it could be your *(&%$#*^%$#@  computer!
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Post by: JoanR on March 08, 2011, 10:38:52 AM
Won't open for me either!  Guess we'll just read them all in alphabetical order!
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Post by: Gumtree on March 08, 2011, 10:47:29 AM
Didn't open for me either.

A couple of mine made the cut but I was really hoping for Lavransdatter to get across the line. It's been sitting on my coffee table for a couple of months waiting expectantly for me to open it and begin reading - now it just looks at me reproachfully.
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Post by: Gumtree on March 08, 2011, 10:50:33 AM
I just tried again - and it worked - no problems
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Post by: marcie on March 08, 2011, 10:50:55 AM
There was a problem with the url in the heading on this page. It should now work.

LOL, Gumtree. I also have the Lavransdatter book which I have not yet read. I'm not going to check to see if it will stare back!!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on March 08, 2011, 10:58:13 AM
Oh shoot - I voted for three since I  understood the post to say what we did was messed up that I took for saying the computer god in the sky made a hash out of what we did and we had to do it all over again - should I have only  voted for one book?
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Post by: marcie on March 08, 2011, 11:23:09 AM
Barbara, you are correct. The vote is for THREE favorites. The top selection will be discussed next. We'll use the runner ups in future votes or may discuss them after the first pick.
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Post by: JoanP on March 08, 2011, 11:27:53 AM
Golly -

THe link in the header should open now...there was a glitch in the url - Marcie fixed it.

Barbara, you did right - you voted for three, just right.  If you click the link again, and can't get in this time, it means your vote was recorded when you voted.

I'd love to do Kristan too!  Let's be sure to include those that did not make it this time in the next vote.

Marcie, I see your posts now - thanks so much.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on March 08, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
Whew -  :-*
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Post by: JudeS on March 08, 2011, 01:40:44 PM
I have Kingsolver's Lacuna staring at me. We all have guilt complexes. There's only so much one can read. Also the mood has to be right, and the light and the ...Well you all know the same excuses as I do.
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Post by: JoanP on March 08, 2011, 01:42:40 PM
Well, Lacuna is still in the running, Judy.  Cast your vote!
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Post by: PatH on March 08, 2011, 05:25:11 PM
I was hoping for Lavransdatter too.  I read it , but a long time ago, and would like to try the new translation.
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Post by: ALF43 on March 09, 2011, 10:28:29 AM
I'm like Babi.  I have read three of them and enjoyed each one, but I don't want to beat a dead horse.  I seldom read a book twice (unless I've agreed to lead or do-lead a discussion.)
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Post by: kidsal on March 09, 2011, 11:48:44 AM
I am not able to get into the site to vote.  Takes me to the survey website.
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Post by: JoanP on March 09, 2011, 12:51:30 PM
oooh, Kidsal, I'm sorry.  That usually happens after you've been in once.  If you email me your three choices, I'll add them to the count that way.  Again, so sorry that happened to a nice person like you. ;)

Andy, have you considered other choices than the three you've already read?
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Post by: JudeS on March 09, 2011, 11:32:02 PM
I've voted. I will participate in any of the discussions except if Barbara Pym's novel wins.  She is not my cup of tea.
Major Pettigrew is a delightful and touching story and of course Cutting for Stone is a real winner. The others look interesting. However still hoping for Lacuna.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on March 10, 2011, 02:41:57 AM
I notice amazon has the 4 set video for Lavransdatter at would you believe $129 - has anyone seen any of this set.
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Post by: kidsal on March 10, 2011, 04:22:30 AM
No problem -- will be satisfied with what is chosen. ;D
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Post by: JoanP on March 11, 2011, 11:24:55 AM
Two more days to vote.  Just checked...the first and second choices are clear, but the race for third may be too close to call.  We can go with two for the Spring discussions if need be.  Have you voted yet?
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Post by: Tomereader1 on March 15, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
What are the final three then?

And I'm also not sure which section of the poll I voted in.
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Post by: JoanP on March 15, 2011, 12:42:40 PM
Hi there, Tome.  We'll announce the "winners"  in the midmonth newsletter, the BookBytes, this evening.  But since you asked and since I just looked at it, I'll tell you the results now -

#1  Major Pettigrew's Last Stand  (Helen Simonson) - 70% of the votes cast  (We'll do this in April)

"Major Pettigrew's Last Stand is a wry and witty love story set in a little English village where small town prejudices, and race and religious intolerances are alive and well. With gentle insight, the author captures the thrill of falling in love after 60 and the disruption romance can introduce into a well-settled life."

#2  Clara and Mr. Tiffany (Susan Vreeland) - 58% of the vote - (May)

" For a century, everyone assumed that the iconic Tiffany lamps were conceived and designed by that American master of stained glass, Louis Comfort Tiffany. Not so! It was a woman! Vreeland captures Gilded Age New York and its atmosphere--robber barons, sweatshops, colorful characters, ateliers from Clara Tiffany's voluminous letters discovered by the author.

#3. The Novel Bookstore (Laurence Cossé) - 41% of the vote
"Translated from the French by Alison Anderson, who also translated Elegance of the Hedgehog. The plot concerns a bookshop in Paris which sells only ‘good’ books. Two avid readers, who are both disillusioned with the publishing industry and bookshops ask eight mostly under-appreciated writers to form a secret committee with each member submitting a list of the best 600 books they’ve ever read. The plot follows what happens to the new shop and its owners."

Since less than half of the voters expressed interest in The Novel Bookstore, we're thinking of having another vote some time in May to see if there is more interest at that time or if our readers are more interested in other titles at that time.

Thanks to all those who participated.  Watch for the pre-discussion of Major Pettigrew's Last Stand...coming soon!
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Post by: salan on March 19, 2011, 09:12:10 AM
JoanP, count me in for Major Pettigrew.  I have the library copy and am reading it now.  I hope to be able to re-check in when our discussion starts; but am making notes in case I can't.
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on March 19, 2011, 09:47:43 AM
Super - a very nice group is gathering already...why don't you stop in the discussion and let others know you hope to join in...
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on March 19, 2011, 02:23:01 PM
Sally  terrrriffffic - this will be grand - I am excited in anticipation of the chit chat about this story - and  yes, Joan I will get my motivational hat on  ;)
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Post by: marjifay on April 12, 2011, 05:04:27 PM
Where/when do we get to nominate for future readings (for those to be read after May, 2011)?

Marj
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Post by: JoanP on April 12, 2011, 05:22:39 PM
you read my mind, Marjifay - I was just thinking that we have nothing lined up for June.  Nominate here, and I'll fix the header with the new nominations, okay?
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Post by: JoanR on April 12, 2011, 07:34:12 PM
Do we have to re-nominate "La Lacuna" or does it continue from before?  There was a lot of interest in it, I think.
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Post by: JoanP on April 12, 2011, 08:40:18 PM
JoanR, let's renominate to be sure the same people who were interested in a title before are still interested.  I'll put La Lacuna up on the list as soon as I get my act together.  June is coming!
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Post by: marjifay on April 13, 2011, 09:22:48 AM
I'd like to nominate FREEDOM by Jonathan Franzen.

I'm reading it now.  This is the first book I've read by Franzen, and it has really grabbed my attention. 

Marj
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Post by: marjifay on April 13, 2011, 06:15:54 PM
Review from Amazon, Inc. for FREEDOM by Jonathan Franzen:

Amazon Best of the Month, August 2010: "Jonathan Franzen seems less concerned with creating merely likeable characters than ones who are fully alive, in all their self-justifying complexity. Freedom is his fourth novel, and, yes, his first in nine years since The Corrections. Happy to say, it's very much a match for that great book, a wrenching, funny, and forgiving portrait of a Midwestern family (from St. Paul this time).  Patty and Walter Berglund find each other early: a pretty jock, focused on the court and a little lost off it, and a stolid budding lawyer, besotted with her and almost burdened by his integrity. They make a family and a life together, and, over time, slowly lose track of each other.  Franzen pits his excavation of the cracks in the nuclear family's facade against a backdrop of all-American faults and fissures, but where the book stands apart is that, no longer content merely to record the breakdown, Franzen tries to account for his often stridently unlikable characters and find where they went wrong, arriving at--incredibly--genuine hope."

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Post by: JoanP on April 13, 2011, 09:45:34 PM
Thanks, Marjifay - for the recommendation AND for the review.  I've heard mixed reviews of the book and will be interested to hear what you  think as you get into it.  Again, thank you!
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Post by: Babi on April 14, 2011, 08:57:05 AM
 Hmm.., I can't really see myself spending much time reading about "stridently unlikeable
characters".  It would be such a strain.  :(
  I'm going to read some more by Ivan Doig, though.  I enjoyed 'Rascal Fair' so much. I do
recommend him.
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Post by: JoanP on April 14, 2011, 09:30:34 AM
Good morning, Babi.  I'd like to hear more from Marjifay on Freedom's characters.  Would you like to nominate Rascal Fair for discussion, Babi - or another of Ivan Doig's?  I've never read anything by this author.

This is the fun part of the process, isn't it?  We begin with a clean slate of wonderful possibilities. Is there still interest in Sigrid Undset's Kristin Lavransdatter?
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Post by: Babi on April 14, 2011, 09:41:21 AM
 I'm considering nominating one of Doig's other books, JOANP, so I can read a new one rather than re-reading one I've recently finished.  I am so impressed with Doig's writing that
I'm confident I'll enjoy his other books as well.
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Post by: Gumtree on April 14, 2011, 12:36:29 PM
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Is there still interest in Sigrid Undset's Kristin Lavransdatter?

Yes indeed! Oddly enough I began to read it just this week. Have only managed the first few chapters so far - it captured me from the very start.
I would be very happy if it were to be nominated.
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Post by: JoanP on April 14, 2011, 05:07:35 PM
I thought there might be interest in Kristin, Gum.  It's up there - we'll vote in the beginning of May.  This might be the time!

OK, Babi - we'll consider an Ivan Doig book - you'll need to nominate a title and tell us a bit about it.  I've never read anything of his...
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Post by: JoanP on April 14, 2011, 05:09:07 PM
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Nominations  for  Fall Bookclub Online Discussion-

Post your Nominations now!

************************************************************

Note that book titles are linked to reviews:

The Leopard (http://cotesaintluclibrary.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/the-leopard-by-giuseppe-tomasi-di-lampedusa/)  by Guiseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa


Ship of Fools (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/410760.Ship_of_Fools)  by Katherine Anne Porter





Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)


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Post by: Babi on April 23, 2011, 08:35:38 AM
  JOANP, I've decided I will nominate Ivan Doig's  "Dancing at the Rascal Fair".  It is such a
great book.  There are only two other books by Doig at my local library, and they both
follow the life of a young girl who first appears in 'Rascal Fair'.  
  Here's a review that describes the book...   http://www.enotes.com/dancing-rascal-fair-salem/dancing-rascal-fair
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Post by: JoanP on April 23, 2011, 12:04:06 PM
Babi, what a delightful nomination!  I've never read any of Ivan Doig - but as I read through the review of  Dancing at the Rascal Fair - I see I've been missing something special - something quite different, off the beaten track.  He's been writing for 30 years?  I vaguely remember that he wrote for the Washington Post at one time - found this-

Quote
My profession as a novelist is to create, not to copy. In an article I wrote for The Washington Post about creating characters, I counted up some 360 characters I had invented in my fiction at that time, and the head count in The Whistling Season must be another fifty or more. I make up these people from file cards, historical photographs, books of lingo, and imagination. So, no, I don’t let the actual and fictional blur together.

I really hope there is interest in this author and this book.  We'll vote for two of the nominated titles and then we'll be set for June and July. 
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Post by: pedln on April 23, 2011, 05:29:52 PM
Babi, that sounds like a good choice.  Doig has been on my list for a long time, but not for any particular book.  My mother went from two years at a Wisconsin State Teachers College to teach in Montana -- probably right around 1919, 1920.  She met and married my dad there, and my brother was born in Roundup.  I notice that "Dancing .   .   ." is the 2nd volume in a trilogy (1st is English Creek), but it sounds like the books are all stand-alones, but written chronologically.
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Post by: Babi on April 24, 2011, 08:44:53 AM
 In this case, PEDLN, I believe the 'trilogy' simply means three books set in Montana, a place
that seems to hold a special niche in Doig's heart.  I would appreciate Montana's beauty, but
not it's winters.  :P  I hope you and JOAN will both get a chance to read Doig soon; you
won't be disappointed.
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Post by: JoanP on April 27, 2011, 09:40:16 PM
The third place finisher during the last vote was "A Novel Bookstore, by Laurence Cosse  (a woman)
  Translated from the French by Alison Anderson, who also translated Elegance of the Hedgehog.

The plot concerns a bookshop in Paris which sells only ‘good’  books. Two avid readers, who are both disillusioned with the publishing industry and bookshops  ask eight  mostly under-appreciated writers to form a secret committee with each member submitting a list of the best 600 books they’ve ever read.  The plot follows what happens to the new shop and its owners.

I rhink we need to consider it again since it was so close to Major Pettigrew and Clara and Mr. Tiffany last time we voted.

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Post by: rosemarykaye on April 28, 2011, 07:36:06 AM
I agree - it sounds really interesting, as does the Ivan Doig, which I have so far singularly failed to find in the library or the charity book shops - but I see it available on Amazon.

Rosemary
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Post by: salan on April 28, 2011, 06:18:06 PM
I ordered a used copy of Dancing from Amazon.  Our library has other Doig books, but not Dancing.  I also have a copy of the Lacuna; so I am set if either of these two are selected.  I think I am first in line for Clara and the library has the book, but hasn't processed it yet.  I will call them tomorrow and ask about it.
Sally
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Post by: Babi on April 29, 2011, 08:14:48 AM
 JOANP, I thought I remembered someone recommending "Old Filth".  I haven't read it yet, but
it's gotten a lot of praise from readers here.  Anyone remember who introduced that book?
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Post by: JoanP on April 29, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
A number of people spoke highly of Old Filfth in the Library, Babi.  Let's add it to the list.  It's not too late.

Here's a review -
Old Filth (http://www.bookbrowse.com/bb_briefs/detail/index.cfm/ezine_preview_number/4373/old-filth) by Jane Gardam


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Post by: JoanP on April 30, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
Heeere we go!  You need to VOTE for TWO titles as we are voting for Discussions for JUNE and JULY.  CHECK TWO TITLES.

If you are not familiar with the titles, please read the reviews - the titles in the Suggestion Box Heading are linked to reviews.

Important to remember. If you leave without voting, you can't get back in - so read the reviews in the heading before you enter the voting booth.


The Ballot Box is open - HERE. (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SQ3WBKL)

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Post by: Babi on May 01, 2011, 07:54:07 AM
 Made my choices..
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Post by: Gumtree on May 01, 2011, 11:42:36 AM
Me too!
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Post by: JoanR on May 01, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Ditto!!  Fait accompli!  Alea iacta est!
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Post by: straudetwo on May 01, 2011, 02:29:54 PM
Sane here,  voted last night. Wonderful choices.

No matter the outcome, we know an exciting new literary journey lies ahead for the best summer months.
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Post by: salan on May 01, 2011, 06:35:54 PM
I voted, also!
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on May 02, 2011, 05:43:18 PM

 Breaking news!   Helen Simonson will return to the Major Pettigrew discussion tomorrow morning - 11 am EDT to respond to our questions.  Hope you can make it!
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Post by: JoanP on May 03, 2011, 10:31:15 AM
Oh my - a three way tie.  Spread the word - VOTE!
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Post by: rosemarykaye on May 03, 2011, 01:53:45 PM
I have voted, and I must say there were 3 that I found hard to choose between - wonder if they are the same ones?

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanP on May 07, 2011, 11:26:50 AM
I wonder if you narrowed the list to these three, Rosemary?  Because there was a three-way tie,  we'll have a run-off this week to determine which are favored by those who voted for the other titles...

Here we go again~

Three-Way Tie  Requires a Run-OFF Vote for   June & July Discussion-
 Until May 6
 

 (Note that book titles are  linked to reviews)   


Dancing at the Rascal Fair (http://www.enotes.com/dancing-rascal-fair-salem/dancing-rascal-fair) by Ivan Doig

A Novel Bookstore (http://www.complete-review.com/reviews/popfr/cossel2.htm) by Laurence Cossé

Old Filth (http://www.bookbrowse.com/bb_briefs/detail/index.cfm/ezine_preview_number/4373/old-filth) by Jane Gardam

************************************************************

We need to VOTE for TWO titles  as we are voting for Discussions for JUNE and JULY. 

The NEW RUN-OFF Ballot Box is now open -
HERE (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/G89TSMH)
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Post by: Gumtree on May 07, 2011, 12:11:17 PM
Only one of my first choices is in this ballot....

Have voted again.
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Post by: serenesheila on May 08, 2011, 02:36:47 PM
Two of my choices are among these three.  I have voted, again.  I do wish that I knew which two are leading, at this point.

Sheila
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Post by: salan on May 08, 2011, 07:20:32 PM
Only one of my choices is on this list.  Hope it makes it.  I voted.

Sally
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Post by: JoanP on May 13, 2011, 12:56:33 PM
Wow!  That was a record-high vote for the upcoming discussions.  All through both votes, OLD FILTH led the pack.  However the second and third place finishers, THE NOVEL BOOKSTORE and DANCING AT THE RASCAL FAIR ran neck and neck until the very last day.  What do you think?  Shall we discuss both of these books in July and August?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on May 13, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
Sounds like a winner of a plan to me...

Joy to the world today -  I witnessed the birth of twin fawns in the backyard - hallelujah - they both made it - the second was nip and tuck - she worked hard rolling and licking and nudging it to life. They are hiding behind the Jasmin in their Hidie Hole as Mama goes off to keep them safe.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on May 13, 2011, 03:48:22 PM
Barb, how absolutely wonderful.  We once walked up to the fields beyond a house we used to live in in the country; it was evening in summer and the sun was just going down.  We saw a calf that was so newly born that he was still wet and sticky - but standing and feeding.  To see twin deer must be even more special.

I don't mind which books we do, they all sound good to me (have read Old Filth, and it is good).

Rosemary
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Post by: salan on May 13, 2011, 06:18:09 PM
Sounds like a plan to me!
Sally
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Post by: Babi on May 14, 2011, 07:51:33 AM
 Why not?  All three books obviously have stirred interest; it would be a shame to dismiss them.
 Not to mention it takes care of our summer discussions quite handily.
 
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Post by: JoanP on May 16, 2011, 01:11:15 PM
Okay, we're set - we'll begin  with the discussion of Jane Gardman's Old Filth (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=118.0) in June.  And then we'll schedule both The Novel Bookstore and Dancing at the Rascal Fair for July and August.  Not sure which we'll do first yet.  This is really a strong summer line-up.

Rosemary, we are really hoping you join in OLD FILTH - even though you've read it before.  Your knowledge of the UK and the British mentality will be a tremendous addition to the discussion.  

If you are thinking of joining us in June - we are starting to gather HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=118.0) in June.  Come on over and save a seat!  
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Post by: rosemarykaye on May 16, 2011, 01:30:13 PM
Joan - will be happy to join in but - typically - my copy is in storage along with all my summer clothes, all of our camping gear, etc etc...I will, however, see if the Edinburgh libraries have a copy.

I wonder if you could get Jane Gardam to join in as you did Helen Simonson?  Or maybe she gets asked all the time?

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanP on May 16, 2011, 02:40:18 PM
Isn't life simpler with so much stuff in storage, though?  I would love to put  a good portion of all that I've accumulated after living in this house for 35 years!  Too hard to get rid of stuff, but storage is an option...

I have tried to find Jane Gardam's email address.  Unlucky so far, though I have found her agent.  I guess it wouldn't hurt to write to him.  Haven't had that much luck with agents.  When we discussed Anne Tyler's last book, I wrote to her agent and heard nothing back.  About two months later (after the discussion was over),I received a post card from Anne herself, apologizing, telling me that my letter had just been forwarded to her!

But all agents are not alike - and this time I have an email address.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on May 16, 2011, 03:58:36 PM
Joan - I have not been able to find her contact details, but here is a link to an interview the BBC did with her - it says it's still "available to listen" but I haven't tried it yet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00f8mfv

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanP on May 17, 2011, 07:34:50 AM
Rosemary, I just spent 28 minutes listening to the BBC interview with Jane Gardam - it's really very good.   I noticed that the interview took place in 2006, two years after she wrote Old Filth...when Jane Gardam was 78 years old.  Do you know if she has written anything since Old Fllth?

 I think it might give away a little too much if one hasn't yet read the book - but will put the link in the OLD FILTH discussion for those who have - and for later.

Please come over to the discussion yourself - I'm sure many will be happy to see you aboard.  Our UK connection.  (Someone who can translate such sentences as - "His shoes shone like conkers."  :D)
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Post by: marcie on July 05, 2011, 10:28:57 AM
We're just starting our discussion of A NOVEL BOOKSTORE.  We welcome those of you who voted for the book in your top three as well as those who didn't. I think you'll find it mysterious, witty and entertaining. You'll also find lots of recommendations for other interesting books, nominated by a secret committee who select books for the novel bookstore! Will your tastes match theirs? Will the act of determining "good books" become dangerous? Join us at http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=120.0 and find out!
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Post by: rosemarykaye on July 06, 2011, 03:09:02 AM
Marcie - I would love to read it, but our libraries here in Edinburgh do not have it, and it's quite expensive on Amazon - I keep hoping it will turn up in a charity shop, but no luck so far.

Rosemary
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Post by: marcie on July 07, 2011, 01:56:16 AM
I'm sorry that you can't find the book, Rosemary. We'd love to have you participate in the discussion.
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Post by: Frybabe on July 11, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
For our next round of book discussions, please enter The Leopard by Guiseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa
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Post by: JoanR on July 11, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
Great choice!  I'd love to re-read "The Leopard".  It's been years since I read it and I still have my copy.  There was a good movie of it if I remember correctly with Burt Lancaster (?).  I believe that it's on many "must read" lists
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on July 11, 2011, 05:46:34 PM
A good one - I read it also years ago and still have a paperback copy - never did see the movie but I do remember it was Burt Lancaster who played the part of the Prince - seems to me one of the themes was the passing of an era - which would be appropriate for today since our current politics, international diplomacy and war as well as advances in science that led to our changing views and has us looking at the world through a different lens than as recently as 20 years ago.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on July 12, 2011, 02:15:10 AM
Has anybody seen "The Lion In Winter" - the film that plays a crucial part in the plot of the Louise Penny that I have just finished, "Dead Cold"?  Our library has it, but as you have to pay to get it ou, I just wondered if anyone would recommend it?

Thanks

Rosemary
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Post by: Babi on July 12, 2011, 09:03:58 AM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)
 

Nominations  for  Fall Bookclub Online Discussion-

Post your Nominations now!

************************************************************

Note that book titles are linked to reviews:

The Leopard (http://cotesaintluclibrary.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/the-leopard-by-giuseppe-tomasi-di-lampedusa/)  by Guiseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa


Ship of Fools (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/410760.Ship_of_Fools)  by Katherine Anne Porter


The Elephant's Journey (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/24/elephants-journey-jose-saramago-review)  by José Saramago


The Help (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/books/19masl.html)  by Kathryn Stockett

 The Optimist's Daughter (Pulitzer Prize) (http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/welty-daughter.html) AND   The Ponder Heart   (http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/welty-ponder.html)  by Eudora Welty

.


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)




ROSEMARY ,  I think "The Lion in Winter" has become something of a classic.  I am thinking of
the one featuring Katherine Hepburn as Eleanor of Aquitaine.  I found her 'Eleanor' most
believable.  It also stars Peter O'Toole as Henry II and Anthony Hopkins as Richard.  Quite a cast.
  There is a newer version out, but I haven't seen it and can't comment.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on July 12, 2011, 09:34:16 AM
Thanks Babi - the Katherine Hepburn one is the one I am thinking of - and the one they have at the library.  I think I will borrow it.
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Post by: marcie on July 12, 2011, 10:44:50 AM
Rosemary, I've seen LION IN WINTER but it was a long time ago. I thought it was interesting. The film was made in the 60s and is one of those "spectacle" films with epic acting so it probably seems dated today. But it has a fantastic cast, featuring Peter O'Toole and Katharine Hepburn. Also included were Anthony Hopkins and Timothy Dalton.

You can get a flavor of the film, with Anthony Hopkins talking about it a bit, at : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9oqfQQBfuA&feature=related.  It was Hopkins first film role.

The film won Oscars for
Katharine Hepburn, Best Actress in a Leading Role (Tied with Barbra Streisand for Funny Girl).
Best Music, Original Score for a Motion Picture (not a Musical)
Best Writing, Screenplay Based on Material from Another Medium

It also was nominated for the following Oscars:
Best Picture
Peter O'Toole, Best Actor in a Leading Role
Margaret Furse, Best Costume Design
Anthony Harvey, Best Director
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Post by: rosemarykaye on July 12, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Marcie - thank you so much for this.  I just watched the clip of Anthony Hopkins - what a lovely, lovely man!  I remember him in 84 Charing Cross Rd and The Silence of the Lambs - so versatile.  Now I will have to get The Lion In Winter!

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanK on July 12, 2011, 04:42:27 PM
I've heard about that movie forever, and never seen it. Now I have to! I love Anthony Hopkins too (who doesn't!)
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Post by: JoanP on July 12, 2011, 05:41:12 PM
Goodness, I've been away for a few days and find all this activity.  Soon as I unpack, I'll get a new chart of nominations up in the heading.  Thanks!  Your recommendations are exactly what we need here!
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Post by: Babi on July 16, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
 Dang, this guy does get around!  MARCIE!!!
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Post by: JoanR on July 16, 2011, 09:37:39 AM
I've sent an e-mail to Jane about this person or persons - there seem to be 2 different names.
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Post by: Frybabe on July 16, 2011, 09:40:17 AM
Thank you JoanK. What an annoyance. I have a few choice words running around in my head just now.

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Post by: jane on July 16, 2011, 10:12:09 AM
Thanks for the email.  We're short handed right now, but we work hard to catch these goofs!  These two slipped through.  I'd deleted 42 other bogus registrants this morning alone.

I'm off to get rid of these two.

jane
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Post by: JoanP on July 21, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
Several suggestions from recent book discussions -


Ship of Fools (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/410760.Ship_of_Fools)  by Katherine Anne Porter came from the Old Filth discussion.
I'll enter that one in the heading of nominations here.


From The Novel Bookstore, Eudora Welty has been mentionned. I've read some of her short stories, but  have always meant to read one of her novels.  Have you?  Which one(s)?

Thomas Mann's Death in Venice?  You've probably seen the film, but have you ever read Mann's book?
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Post by: salan on July 21, 2011, 07:00:26 PM
I read Eudora Welty's The Optimist' Daughter and didn't much care for it.  I tried another one of hers, but....I don't think she is my kind of author.
Sally
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on July 21, 2011, 10:50:56 PM
Oh my Uncle Daniel is Buddha and Mark Twain all rolled together in Ponder Heart - love that story...stayed at a B&B a few years ago and the owner and her mother were good friends of Eudora Welty - there were photos all over the house of the three of them as well as famous Jazz players who lived in Jackson. Most of Welty's stories were written about folks who lived on or near the Natchez Trace during the 1930s.
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Post by: JudeS on July 23, 2011, 05:20:38 PM
I've been trying to get onto this site for awhile but it was "stuck" on the first page of the discussion.A big
THANK YOU MARCIE for her help in getting me here so that I can post.

I want to suggest" The Elephants Journey" as a book we can discuss and enjoy and yes, laugh and giggle along the way.
This is a novel, based on a true story, of an elephant named Solomon sent by the royals of Portugal to the royals of Vienna in the sixteenth century. There is lots and lots of history and geography to explore.
Saramago won the Nobel Prize in 1998 for some very, very serious novels.  However this book (200 pages) is the last book he wrote before his death and it is a delight of the rarest kind. Very , very serious subjects are tackled with a sense of humor worthy of Mark Twain.

I hope others will try this book even if it doesn't become a Senior Read.
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Post by: JudeS on July 23, 2011, 05:25:30 PM
I want to list the book but I read that it should be linked to a review.  My Zero Techie ability makes that impossible to do. Will Joan P do that?
Yikes I feel stupid right now.
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Post by: jane on July 23, 2011, 06:28:54 PM
JudeS...I found a couple reviews on the book you're suggesting:


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/books/review/Ledgard-t.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/24/elephants-journey-jose-saramago-review
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Post by: Babi on July 24, 2011, 08:18:46 AM
 Serious subjects tackled with a sense of humor.  Sounds good to me, JUDE.  I'll have to see if
I can lay hands on a copy.  Saramago is a new name to me.
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Post by: JoanP on July 24, 2011, 01:12:05 PM
Those are both good reviews, Jane.  Thank you!  And thank you for the nomination, Judy.  Sorry you got "stuck" on the first page.  We can't have that! We need your nominations!   I'm going to track down Marcie and see what was wrong - and hopefully we can fix the problem.

Again, thank you!
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Post by: JudeS on July 27, 2011, 01:10:18 AM
Thank you so much Jane for finding those reviews and posting them here, on this site.
I read both of them and the second review, from The Guardian, is the way I saw this wonderful 200 page novel.
Saramago's view of humanity and it's foibles is wonderful in its forgiveness.

No matter what his political views were the author has been weathered and made wise by life and yet, for all the worlds problems, of that time(16th century), the truths he points out are leavened with understanding and such a rare humor that this book stands out for me as one of the best novels of the year.
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Post by: Babi on July 27, 2011, 09:42:31 AM
 My local library, sadly, but not surprisingly, has nothing by Saramago.  With the current limited
budget, the primary choices are patron's favorite authors and books listed tbr for students in the
local schools.  Prize-winners and books making the news can also be found, usually.  The
lesser known writers, esp. foreign writers,  appear to be pretty far down on the lists.
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Post by: bellamarie on July 30, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
I would like to refer a new book for a future discussion called The Help by Katherine Stockett. 
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Post by: Babi on July 31, 2011, 08:31:08 AM
 A very good book, Bellamarie.  I read it, and I remember several other people in
SL read it, too, and had some comments to make.  It's a movie now, you know?
I want to see that.  From the previews, I think it's going to be a bit lighter and more humorous in some respects.
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Post by: kidsal on July 31, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
THE HELP:
In 1960s Jackson, Miss., aspiring writer Eugenia Phelan crosses taboo racial lines by conversing with Aibileen Clark about her life as a housekeeper, and their ensuing friendship upsets the fragile dynamic between the haves and the have-nots. When other long-silent black servants begin opening up to Eugenia, the disapproving conservative Southern town soon gets swept up in the turbulence of changing times.

Netflix has this film under SAVE so not available now.  Is this the story you are talking about?
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Post by: JoanP on July 31, 2011, 12:45:11 PM
Babi - I'm sorry to hear that your library doesn't carry any of Saramago's work.  (He was on the list of 1001 authors to read before we die.)  Can others check and see if you find the same problem with locating it?

 I was excited about Elephant's Journey as a possible  title for discussion in the fall.  Picked up a copy at my library yesterday  and am already drawn to it - after reading only the quote on the opening page -

"In the end, we always arrive at the place where we are expected."
 Book of Itineraries.

Jude, do you know anything about the "Book of Itineraries"?  I really hate to take this one off the slate...


Bellamarie - I'll enter The Help by Katherine Stockett - it's been around for a while - wasn't it an Oprah pick?  Have you read it?  Do you think it is a good book for group discussion?


 

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Post by: JoanR on July 31, 2011, 01:04:01 PM
My library came up with a copy of "The Elephant's Journey" but they had to borrow it from the system.  I've started it and think I'm going to enjoy it although I could use a little punctuation in the text.  Will probably get used to the way it's presented though!  There is a hugely sly and funny bit right at the beginning!

I hpoe it stays on our list!!  It's not new.  It was first pub. in 2008, then translated into English in 2010 & pub. in Britain.  This US edition is Houghton, Mifflin & Harcourt 2010.  There might be used copies available.
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Post by: bellamarie on July 31, 2011, 01:06:45 PM
Babi- I have not read it as of yet,but intend to.  My best friends have highly recommended it.
Kidsal-  Yes, that is the book I am referring to.  Had NO idea it was a movie, I think I would like to see the movie after I read the book.
JoanP` I think it could be a very interesting book to discuss.  I misspelled the author first name its Kathryn. Thank you.
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Post by: salan on July 31, 2011, 08:00:17 PM
My ftf book club read and discussed The Help this year.  It was a good book and made for a good discussion.  I am looking forward to the movie; but I don't think I care to re read the book.
Sally
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Post by: Babi on August 01, 2011, 08:44:16 AM
I do remember that book drive, JOAN.  For a while I was in contact with an Indian
reservation on the border of Texas and sent them some books. But after a while
they quit responding.  I never could find out why.  I could only hope I hadn't offended in some way.

 From what I remember of the comments about "The Help" earlier, I was a bit
surprised to find different views even from people who lived in the South. Some said the book was realistic; others said it wasn't like that where they lived.
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Post by: JoanK on August 01, 2011, 03:26:06 PM
I have often heard comments from people in all parts of the country that there was no racial prejudice where they lived. In some cases, it may be true, but more often it's the case that prejudice can be invisible to those who are not the subjects of it.
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Post by: bellamarie on August 01, 2011, 11:34:13 PM
JoanK
Quote
 it's the case that prejudice can be invisible to those who are not the subjects of it.

This is a very powerful statement and probably true. 

The movie begins in my home town August 10th, so my dilemma is do I read the book first, or see the movie first?  The previews look like it will be a fun movie.
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Post by: Babi on August 02, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
 I certainly couldn't describe the book as 'fun',  but the ads for the movie do give
that impression.  Actually, the injection of more humor could be good and make
it a better film,  so long as they don't lose sight of the intended message.
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Post by: JoanR on August 02, 2011, 09:45:23 AM
Bellamarie - You really should read the book before you see the movie - they are two "different kinds of kitty".  Reading the book will give you your own interpretation while seeing the movie will give you someone else's.
  "Fun"????? Prejudice couldn't be fun.  The movie trailers must be misleading.
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Post by: Babi on August 03, 2011, 10:01:26 AM
 From what I could tell from the trailer, JOAN, it wasn't the prejudice that was funny, by any
means.  But the 'help' themselves, among themselves, did find things to laugh about.  Often,
no doubt, their employers.  ::)
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Post by: rosemarykaye on August 04, 2011, 12:08:49 PM
JoanK - you are so right (just typed "tight" which has quite another meaning here...).  As I have probably already said (apologies) there is a huge amount of anti-English prejudice in Aberdeen, and my son was the butt of it for years at the local school.  He is quite sensitive and used to get so upset, especially as whenever racial prejudice was discussed in social education lessons, all the children would insist they were not racist - they were never horrible to the one Muslim boy in the class, probably because he was perceived as "cool", but my son was not cool and as a result was verbally tortured for years - it only really stopped in 5th and 6th year, when some of the worst offenders had left school, and the others had at last grown up a bit.  The families of these boys were perfectly respectable - the school was in an affluent area - and I can only assume that the parents had similar attitudes.  They simply did not see what they were doing as prejudice.

My elder daughter also suffered a bit at her school in Aberdeen, but she is the master of the put down and it soon stopped.

Fortunately my daughters have not encountered anything like this in Edinburgh, which has a much more cosmopolitan population.  And so far everyone in the village that we have just moved to has been really friendly, many people have come round to say hello, we have been invited to the village barbecue later this month, the girls have been asked out to play in the street with the other children - when we first moved to Aberdeen nobody spoke to us for weeks!

My mother's late sister lived in South Africa for the whole of her married life.  Both she and everyone I ever met through her always said that they were "not racist" and that apartheid was "necessary" because the black people were somehow inferior.  I was always amazed that these otherwise pleasant and well-educated people could spout these views; as you say, their prejudice was invisible to them.

Rosemary
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Post by: bellamarie on August 04, 2011, 08:14:51 PM
Okay maybe I should be a bit more clear on stating the movie may be fun!  I meant the previews show there are humorous parts to the movie, I saw an interview with the four women who are playing the characters and they seemed very likable and there are funny parts in the movie.  I am going to be spending the day with my two best friends at the movie, so YES, I intend it will be fun. 

Anytime there are racial matters tackled be it movies, books, TV, music, art, etc., etc.,  it brings awareness to where we've been, where we've come, and where we still need to go in this world.   RosemaryKaye I can only imagine as a parent how difficult it had to be for you to see your child be treated with prejudice, not to mention what it was like for the child.  I am so glad where you live now they do not have to deal with it.

JoanR~ Thanks for your advice, I am going to buy the book for my nook tonight and begin reading it before I go to see the movie.  I do still think it would make for a great discussion for our club, after all look how it has spurred on a discussion just by my recommendation.   :)
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Post by: JudeS on August 06, 2011, 09:38:24 PM
JOAN P
So happy that someone else is reading "The Elephant's Journey" by Saramago.
The wit and satire become more apparent as you get into the narrative.  Also the personality of the Mahout and the royals starts to evolve.  It is really like a journey where you get to know the people (and the Elephant) as different circumstances just happen and you watch the different reactions of the various characters.
I think "learning to go with the flow" epitomizes the Mahout and his beast.

This was one book that I was sorry it ended.  I wish it had gone on and on.
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Post by: JoanP on August 06, 2011, 10:42:31 PM
I find myself really taking time with Solomon, Jude.  Each page, each paragraph, each sentence is packed with ...wisdom, for lack of a better word.

I'm wondering how we could discuss a book like this.

Bella, I hope you didn't see the movie first.  JoanR said what I would have. 
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Post by: Babi on August 07, 2011, 08:43:20 AM
 You're really stirring up my interest in reading that book, JUDE.  I'm going to do some more
hunting.  Maybe my daughter's library or someone in my pb swap club will have it.
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Post by: JoanP on August 07, 2011, 10:41:27 AM
Oh, Babi - do.  It would be such fun to discuss it together.  I know you would like it - the humor is so ...droll.
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Post by: JudeS on August 07, 2011, 12:22:50 PM
Joan P
I usually read very fast.  With "The Elephants Journey" I couldn't read more that three or four pages a day.  Each page and paragraph was so packed full that it often necessitated rereading.

I thought that in his old age Saramago realized that there are many ways to skin a cat i.e. he could put some of his ideas into the lives of an Elephant and a Mahout in the 16th century.

I didn't even figure out why the elephant was named Solomon till I was well into the story.
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Post by: JoanP on August 08, 2011, 09:04:17 AM
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VOTE forNovember Bookclub Online Discussion-

The run-off vote is open through September 19

The Run-off survey to decide our November Book Club Online discussion is ready.  The first three titles in the heading list the three top-nominated books.  After you are sure what each book is about, you are ready to enter the survey.  REMEMBER, once in, you must vote in order for your vote to be counted.  Ready?

VOTE HERE (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/526QL5B)

Note that book titles are linked to reviews



The Elephant's Journey (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/24/elephants-journey-jose-saramago-review)  by José Saramago


Ship of Fools (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/410760.Ship_of_Fools)  by Katherine Anne Porter

 The Optimist's Daughter (Pulitzer Prize) (http://www.amazon.com/Optimists-Daughter-Eudora-Welty/dp/067972883X) AND   The Ponder Heart   (http://swiftlytiltingplanet.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/the-ponder-heart-by-eudora-welty-2/)  by Eudora Welty





The Leopard (http://cotesaintluclibrary.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/the-leopard-by-giuseppe-tomasi-di-lampedusa/)  by Guiseppe Tomasi di Lampedusa


Butterfly's Daughter (http://www.maryalicemonroe.com/site/epage/104543_67.htm)  by Mary Alice Monroe


The Help (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/books/19masl.html)  by Kathryn Stockett

Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)





That's great news, Babi - because it means that with a little digging, we will be able to hold a discussion of this little gem of a book.

I'd like to nominate another author for the fall - are there more of you who have never read Eudora Welty?  Her name came up in the Novel Bookstore discussion - and then again on the list of 1001 authors to read before you die.  I have always intended to read her, but never has.  She's written short humorous novellas.  We could do two of them - I'm sure they are readily available in libraries - on-line too.

The Optimist's Daughter (Pulitzer Prize)  (http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/welty-daughter.html) and  The Ponder Heart (http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/welty-ponder.html).
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Post by: kidsal on August 08, 2011, 10:27:01 AM
I have DISH network and caught a glimpse of the film THE HELP on one of the channels.  Will try to catch it again as one channel I don't often watch.
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Post by: JoanR on August 08, 2011, 10:31:28 AM
Eudora Welty: I haven't read her so would certainly go for those 2 books!

  I'm reading "The Elephant's Journey" and am loving it, but I think you're probably right in that it might be tricky to discuss due to its format.  I wish an editor had put in paragraphs or more spaces or something!
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Post by: salan on August 08, 2011, 02:21:20 PM
I read The Optimist Daughter some time back.  I've also read The Robber Bridegroom by Welty.  It's been a while since I read Welty.  Wasn't The Ponder Heart a tv production? 

My ftf reading group read The Help.  We all enjoyed it and it made a good discussion.  I don't really care to read and discuss it again; but would probably hover around if it is chosen. 

I read Ship of Fools a long, long time ago and would probably re-read it if it is chosen. 
Sally

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Post by: marcie on August 09, 2011, 10:21:10 PM
I looked it up: The Ponder Heart was adapted for PBS Masterpiece Theatre's American Collection in 2001. The original Broadway adaptation of Welty's "The Ponder Heart" by Gail Gilchriest opened at the Music Box Theater in New York on February 16, 1956 and ran for 149 performances. The Gail Gilchriest stage play was the basis for this filmed production.

I didn't see the PBS production. I'd be interested to read the story and any other Welty story.
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Post by: salan on August 10, 2011, 07:43:00 AM
Have any of you read The Butterfly's Daughter by Mary Alice Monroe??  I think it would make a good discussion book. 
Sally
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Post by: JudeS on August 11, 2011, 03:55:27 PM
Can we put The Elephants Journey on the list?.
Perhaps it may encourage others to read it even if it is not chosen for a group discussion.

I've read The Help and discussed it with my f2f book group. Though it is a fine book can't see discussing it again.

"Shop of Fools" , an old, old movie. Vaguely remember it. Haven't read the book.
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Post by: JoanP on August 11, 2011, 04:02:35 PM
Jude, it's up there - #3 on the list - look at first post up on the top of the page...

Has anyone read the Butterfly's Daughter that Sally meniotned?  The title has my curiosity up ...
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Post by: Babi on August 14, 2011, 08:47:03 AM
 From what JOANR says, it sounds as though a discussion of "Elephant's Journey"
could be a problem.  You read it first, JUDE.  Can you see how it might be broken
up for discussion?  I can't comment yet; still waiting for the book.
  I don't really recall reading any of these except, or course, The Help.   
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Post by: JoanP on August 14, 2011, 10:46:43 AM
Babi - I'm reading it now - and don't see a problem for a dscussion of Elephant's Journey!
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Post by: JoanR on August 14, 2011, 11:56:16 AM
I no longer see a problem now that I've discovered that there are indeed chapter divisions!  I spoke too soon!  The book is enchanting and would not be tricky to discuss at all!!
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Post by: PatH on August 14, 2011, 06:19:13 PM
Oh, good, JoanR, I was thinking it sounded like something I would like.
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Post by: bellamarie on August 14, 2011, 09:43:53 PM
Finished reading "The Help" and went to see the movie.  I can see this book a very interesting discussion.  I see best actress award nomination for the lady who played Minny and the movie being nominated best picture.  And just to let you know...the movie was hilarious along with still getting the perspective of the issues "the help" dealt with.  Many laughs and many tears!
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Post by: Babi on August 15, 2011, 08:25:53 AM
 Glad to hear a good report from the two JOAN's on 'The Elephant's Journey'.
I'm eagerly waiting for the book to return the county branch library so my
daughter can grab it for me.
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Post by: JudeS on August 16, 2011, 01:18:57 AM
I think one of the most interesting things to discussin the Elephant's Journey would be 16th century Portugal when the action takes place. The Reformation was going on yet there were strong vestiges of the "old way"of thinking.
The fact that an elephant and a mahout from India could be brought to Portugal on a Royal whim is amazing. The difference in knowledge between the peasants and the Royals was so, so vast.
What a world it was-new discoveries, new countries, new animals, the church in a decline so soon after the Inquisition..

Much to wonder and ponder in this book.
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Post by: JoanK on August 25, 2011, 03:19:55 PM
Last day to vote on which classic to read next.

VOTE HERE http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=2395.80 (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=2395.80)
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Post by: salan on August 25, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
Do we have a title for Sept.?
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on August 25, 2011, 05:35:25 PM
Yes, Sally - September's Book Club Online will be a nonfiction - Berlin 61.  It's really interesting - if you stop in to the prediscussion.  Amazing what was going on back then that we didn't even know about!

On Sept 1 we will start to vote for the November Book Club Online suggestion.  (October's Book club Online selection will be the title selected for the Classics discussion.) 
We're still open for titles for November...
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Post by: JoanP on August 31, 2011, 12:42:01 PM
Last day for nominations for November discussion - see the heading for the slate.  Remember, each title is a link to a review of the title!
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Post by: Babi on September 01, 2011, 08:42:39 AM
 I read somewhere just the other day that Jose Saramago had died.  Does anyone know if
it's the Saramago of "Elephant's Journey" that passed?
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Post by: JoanP on September 01, 2011, 09:48:32 AM
Babi - I found this -

Jose Saramago died on June 18, 2010; The Elephant's Journey was published posthumously.
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Post by: JoanP on September 01, 2011, 10:44:31 AM
 The Survey to decide our November Book Club Online discussion is ready.  The titles in the heading describe the nominated books.  After you are sure what each book is about, you are ready to enter the survey.  REMEMBER, once in, you must vote in order for your vote to be counted.  Only one title to be selected this time.  Ready?

VOTE HERE (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/B6DXLCK)
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Post by: JoanP on September 02, 2011, 07:30:04 PM
It looks as if this is going to be a busy poll - you're voting - BUT right now there is a two-way tie.  Can you believe it!
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Post by: dean69 on September 03, 2011, 05:58:00 AM
I have been anxious to read something by Mary Alice Monroe.  Butterfly's Daughter seems like a good choice.
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Post by: JoanP on September 03, 2011, 09:57:19 AM
Sounds as though you've decided where your vote will go, Dean69 - have you voted?  The poll is in the heading here...
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Post by: Frybabe on September 03, 2011, 11:08:29 AM
Me too, Dean69. I've not read any of her books yet.
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Post by: Tomereader1 on September 05, 2011, 10:55:51 AM
Kidsal, you are only seeing a "trailer" or clip of "The Help" on TV.  It will be months before it actually gets released to television, since it just came out at the movies late August.
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Post by: JoanP on September 09, 2011, 10:22:42 PM
just so you know - we're preparing for a run-off vote for November's Book Club Online discussion.  We've got a doozy of a tie right now.  

Since we're a little short-handed this weekend, we'll leave the first vote open through the weekend.  Who knows, maybe we'll have enough late comers to the vote to break the tie - in which case we won't need that run-off vote after all! :D
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Post by: Babi on September 10, 2011, 09:03:32 AM
 Go for it, JOAN.  ;)
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Post by: MaryH on September 10, 2011, 04:30:34 PM
Does anyone know which books are tied?  Somehow I missed that.
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Post by: JoanP on September 10, 2011, 05:51:47 PM
We're almost ready with the second vote -

The tied votes -

Ship of Fools

The two Eudora Welty novellas

The Elephant's Journey. 

Are you ready to vote, Mary?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 10, 2011, 06:22:50 PM
Well my word - I would never have guessed those from the above list... :o
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Post by: Gumtree on September 11, 2011, 03:30:25 AM
Nor would I.
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Post by: MaryH on September 11, 2011, 09:45:47 PM
Thanks JoanP!  My first choice isn't in the list so I will need to look at the reviews again.
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Post by: marcie on September 11, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
The run-off vote is now open here: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/526QL5B

Vote for your first TWO choices among the following books:

THE ELEPHANT'S JOURNEY by José Saramagp: In 1551, King João III of Portugal gave Archduke Maximilian an unusual wedding present: an elephant named Solomon. The elephant’s journey from Lisbon to Vienna was witnessed and remarked upon by scholars, historians, and ordinary people. Out of this material, José Saramago has spun this whimsical yet compulsively readable tale - “a triumph of language, imagination, and humor"

SHIP OF FOOLS - by Katherine Anne Porter: The story takes place in the summer of 1931, on board a cruise ship bound for Germany. Passengers include a Spanish noblewoman, a drunken German lawyer, an American divorcee, a pair of Mexican Catholic priests. The novel explores themes of nationalism, cultural and ethnic pride, and basic human frailty that are as relevant today as they were when the book was first published in 1962.

Two Novella's by Eudora Welty: - The OPTIMIST'S DAUGHTER: This Pulitzer Prize winning novel is a story of a southern girl who goes back to her home in New Orleans due to the death of her father and proves completely unable to cope with his passing. She comes to realize that she will not find peace until she deals with her own past and what it means for her father to be gone. - THE PONDER HEART –another, short novel written by Southern writer, Eudora Welty–is the story of the eccentric and eternally child-like Daniel Ponder, narrated by his niece, Edna Earle Ponder - with irony and humor.

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Post by: Babi on September 12, 2011, 08:41:08 AM
 I have been reading "Elephant's Journey" in between two other books.  I know many of you
loved it,  but I am finding the story so far almost childish.  And I'm sure the author must have
known about things like capitals and punctuation, so I can't see a reasonable explanation for
not using them.  It comes across to me as a rather pretentious gimmick.
  Sorry.  Hope I haven't upset anyone.  I will read some more of it; maybe it will 'click' into
place for me.
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Post by: JoanP on September 12, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
An interesting thought, Babi.  Why did Saramago choose to go without caps?  I used to wonder about the poet e.e. cummings too.

I'm reading Elephant's Journey too - plan to take it on trip.  I'm not finding it childish - but you got me to thinking that maybe because the story is told from Solomon the elephant's eyes, he has never been taught the rules of punctuaion? ;)
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Post by: JudeS on September 12, 2011, 07:17:59 PM
I thought the story was told mostly through the eyes of the mahout.
Does the Indian written language have capitals?
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Post by: Gumtree on September 13, 2011, 04:23:51 AM
Quote
maybe because the story is told from Solomon the elephant's eyes, he has never been taught the rules of punctuaion

JoanP:  Love it - haven't started the book yet but if Solomon, the Elephant has been taught the rules of grammar, orthography and composition you'd think he'd have picked up a little punctuation along the way   :D   :D
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Post by: Babi on September 13, 2011, 09:01:10 AM
I always thought Cummings was whimsical, JOANP, so the lower case poems were, to me,
just more of the same. Perhaps childish was a poor choice of words, but I did find the book
simplistic. Perhaps I was just missing all the deep wisdom.
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Post by: kidsal on September 14, 2011, 05:11:18 AM
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Now Considering titles for  December Bookclub Online Discussion-


November Book Club Online  Discussion will be
The Elephant's Journey (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/24/elephants-journey-jose-saramago-review)  by José Saramago




Ship of Fools (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/410760.Ship_of_Fools)  by Katherine Anne Porter will be considered for January providing there is still interest.

Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)



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Post by: JoanR on September 14, 2011, 06:34:44 AM
Oh, another Archy fan!!  I have several editions of the books - I especially like the ones with the George Herriman (he of "Krazy Kat") illustrations.  They even made a Broadway musical of Archy and Mehitabel!  I think it's all good reading to take one away from the awfullness around us just for a little while.  I'm no escapist but a little lightness is nice indeed.
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Post by: PatH on September 14, 2011, 08:53:37 AM
Then there was the wonderful night when someone left the shift key engaged, and archy was able TO WRITE A WHOLE POEM IN CAPS!!!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 14, 2011, 11:12:35 AM
http://www.donmarquis.com/index.html
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Post by: PatH on September 14, 2011, 07:02:44 PM
Goodness, Barb, you're taking me back.  Thanks for the link.  I learned to type on a machine only a bit more advanced than that in the picture (mine was a Royal) and archy must have had to take a huge dive to get any of the keys to work.  You have to suffer for art.
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Post by: JeanneP on September 14, 2011, 08:31:29 PM
Just ordered "The butterfly's Daughter" at Library.  Hope to read it before Discussions start.
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Post by: JudeS on September 16, 2011, 02:18:50 PM
This coincidence is really strange. Having loved e.e.cummings as a teen ager and  mostly forgotten him, I have just finished a book called "How Elizabeth Barret Browning Saved my Life" by Medwed.'
It opens with the following poem by cummings:(I quote only the beginning)

the cambridge ladies who live in furnished rooms

the cambridge ladies who live in furnished souls
are unbeautiful and have comfortable minds
(also), with the churche's protestant blessings
daughters,unscented shapeless spirited)
they believe in Christ and Longfellow,both dead,
are invariably  interested in so many things-

Notice that he does capitalize proper names of people .
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Post by: PatH on September 16, 2011, 08:32:19 PM
who live in furnished souls
Thanks, Jude, for reminding me of that phrase.  I've always liked it, but forgot where it came from.
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Post by: Poppaea on September 17, 2011, 06:56:27 AM
I fancy "The Leopard." Saw the movie on TV the other night - it was fascinating.
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Post by: Frybabe on September 17, 2011, 08:54:02 AM
While at my local used book store, I spied Ship of Fools on the shelf. An omen perhaps? At any rate I didn't buy it - yet. Instead I came home with The Silver Chalice, a book I started when I was twelve but never got to finish. My Mom loaned it to a neighbor. It never returned. To this day I remember the cover, blue with a silver embossed chalice and type. The volume I found fairly jumped out at me from the first shelf I perused.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 17, 2011, 09:55:25 AM
Oh yes, didn't they make that book into a movie?  He was a favorite author wasn't he -

One his books that I read when I was still in High School that I found in a used book store recently and had to have was Below the Salt - there was always a nugget of historical facts in his books and this was the first I knew about the expression and how important Salt was to survival. Many years later I slid down into the Salt Mines of Austria and Germany - fun to tie it all together.

But the Silver Chalice - yes, I remember that book cover but I never did read the book although I did see that movie. I loved anything that Pier Angeli was featured. Jack Palance was never a favorite and so the movie did not stay with me as others had plus I saw it in our car with two sleeping children in a bed we rigged up for them in the back seat.
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Post by: Babi on September 17, 2011, 10:47:33 AM
 Costain was a great favorite of mine.  I believe I've read every book he wrote. "Below the
Salt" was a particular favorite.  "The Siver Chalice",  "The Robe".  So many of his books were
filmed.
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Post by: Frybabe on September 17, 2011, 11:03:37 AM
Looks like I have another book to put onto my find it list - Below the Salt. I took a look at the customer reviews in Amazon. There are some SERIOUS fans of this book, one who has read the book off and on for over 27years.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 17, 2011, 11:08:10 AM
Come to think on it most of his books I read in the later 50s - now I remember - it was when there was that small library in the drug store where you paid to borrow a book and yes, The Robe was another - he sure was a different story teller from the current flock of repeating popular authors like King - I guess the closest today would be Follett.
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Post by: pedln on September 17, 2011, 11:49:25 AM
There was another Costain that I know I read years ago -- The Black Rose.  And I always think of Below the Salt whenever some big event is written up and they talk about the seating.  Well, who's sitting Below the Salt?
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Post by: hats on September 17, 2011, 01:20:01 PM
I voted for The Elephant's Journey. Hello.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 17, 2011, 01:23:21 PM
Yes, and during a large family meal we always had a salt dish in the middle of the table with all the youngsters on one end - guess a left over from earlier history because of course the children were considered below the salt and another, as we aged we moved closer to the center till we crossed over - but we only thought of it as joining in the adult conversation. Now for Thanksgiving that was different - there was no open salt dish but a battalion of silver and cut glass including several sets of salt and pepper shakers and the kids were mixed in with the teens sitting at their own small table.

Not living near all their aunts and cousins my children did not share in these large dinner gatherings and so many of these traditions are now gone. My children have scattered just as we started the scattering because of job.

The Black Rose - now that one I do not remember - sounds like it has something to do with the English Civil War. No - look the setting is earlier than the Civil War - owww it sounds really good http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rose-Thomas-B-Costain/dp/1568497016
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Post by: Gumtree on September 17, 2011, 02:03:15 PM
Hi Hats  - I did too   :D
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Post by: hats on September 17, 2011, 02:36:20 PM
Hi GumTree~ :D
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Post by: JoanR on September 17, 2011, 07:30:45 PM
Hats - I'm happy to see you back!!  What have you been doing all this time?
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Post by: JoanK on September 17, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
HATS: great to see you back. How are you? (I voted foe Elephants Journey, too).
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 17, 2011, 11:35:34 PM
Hats so glad to see your post - missed it till I just checked in before I shut things down... Must be cooling off where you are - is there any signs of autumn yet?  And what have you been reading this long either hot or in the east wet summer?
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Post by: hats on September 18, 2011, 02:32:13 AM
Hi Barbara, JoanK and All,

It has gotten very cool. Had an appt. on Thursday. I felt so cold walking to the bldg. Then, it was cool yesterday. It feels good. Can't wait for the leaves to change. Since the cool weather is here,  Bought pansies and mums.
Just finished The Taste of Salt by Martha Southgate. The characters are still roaming about in my head. It's my favorite novel this year. Can't say enough about the novel. The publisher is Algonquin. Now I'm reading "Forsaking All Others" by Allison Pittman. This woman has left her husband and two children in order to get away from the Mormon religion. Her husband has a Sister wife.
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Post by: hats on September 18, 2011, 02:32:36 AM
Missed all of you. Good morning.
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Post by: Babi on September 18, 2011, 08:33:21 AM
HATS! How wonderful to hear from you again. I do hope you will come visit us at some of
our other sites, too.  We used to have some great 'conversations'.
  What was "Taste of Salt" about?   Martha Southgate is new to me.
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Post by: hats on September 18, 2011, 09:11:03 AM
Hi Babi,

Yes, I'm anxious to make my way about the site. I might get lost its been so long. A Taste of Salt is about relationships, a family. It begins in Cleveland, Ohio and ends up in Woods Hole, Massachusetts. The main character Josie is a black woman. She's a marine biologist. Too much to tell. You would enjoy it. It's very thought provoking.
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Post by: Babi on September 19, 2011, 09:01:08 AM
 I went to look up "Taste of Salt",  HATS, and found there are two books of that name, the
one by Southgate and one by Frances Temple.  Both have good reviews; I wonder how often
people get them mixed up.  I'm going to check and see if my library has the one you liked.
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Post by: hats on September 19, 2011, 11:33:01 AM
Hope you find it. Yes, my copy is Martha Southgate as the author. Good luck.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 19, 2011, 03:05:52 PM
Won't y'all share - even if you do not stay around to chat in Talking Heads it would be so great to have as many of us as possible list our favorites in 20 Questions - it really is a way we get to know each other a bit better -

Here we are http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=2510.msg129764#msg129764
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Post by: Babi on September 20, 2011, 09:56:44 AM
 My library has one Martha Southgate book, HATS, but it's not "Taste of Salt".  I'll look further
afield.  The Frances Temple book is apparently a first novel.  It's getting very good reviews, but
of course my library doesn't have that one either.
  BARB, much as I would be pleased to participate,  I couldn't begin to pick favorites. I suppose
if I had to I could pick my favorite color....green...and  that's about it.  For everything else I'd be sitting there going "uh...um...uh..maybe..but..uh".
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 20, 2011, 10:33:18 AM
Babi I know the feeling - and so all I could do is like taking a snap shot list the favorite for the day and probably for the minute because an hour later I would have another list - but actually I have probably the makings of only 7 or 8 lists and so it is not the end of the world or painting myself into a corner to list one version - it would be close enough to the kind of reading I prefer - the ones that would change for me is my favorite novel, author, children's book and favorite memory of both reading to others and being read to by someone.

I hope you do guts up and give us a snapshot of some of your favorites - we won't hold them or you as caste in stone but with everyone sharing I can almost see a virtual library of all the books that are rattling around in our heads that help to form who we are...fun...

Full day - so I am off - need to of all things pay my electric bill - I may not eat for a month sheesh - it is not the electric so much as the water - I could have closed up the house and let the lawn go back to nature and cinch bugs and then vacationed in Canada or even Europe for the amount of this summer's utility bills.
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Post by: marcie on September 20, 2011, 03:03:49 PM
We're keeping the vote open for our November book discussion through end of day today.

If  you haven't already indicated your choice, vote for your favorite at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/526QL5B

The three choices are:

 THE ELEPHANT'S JOURNEY by José Saramago: In 1551, King João III of Portugal gave Archduke Maximilian an unusual wedding present: an elephant named Solomon. The elephant’s journey from Lisbon to Vienna was witnessed and remarked upon by scholars, historians, and ordinary people. Out of this material, José Saramago has spun this whimsical yet compulsively readable tale - “a triumph of language, imagination, and humor"

SHIP OF FOOLS - by Katherine Anne Porter: The story takes place in the summer of 1931, on board a cruise ship bound for Germany. Passengers include a Spanish noblewoman, a drunken German lawyer, an American divorcee, a pair of Mexican Catholic priests. The novel explores themes of nationalism, cultural and ethnic pride, and basic human frailty that are as relevant today as they were when the book was first published in 1962.

Two Novella's by Eudora Welty: - The OPTIMIST'S DAUGHTER: This Pulitzer Prize winning novel is a story of a southern girl who goes back to her home in New Orleans due to the death of her father and proves completely unable to cope with his passing. She comes to realize that she will not find peace until she deals with her own past and what it means for her father to be gone. - THE PONDER HEART –another, short novel written by Southern writer, Eudora Welty–is the story of the eccentric and eternally child-like Daniel Ponder, narrated by his niece, Edna Earle Ponder - with irony and humor.

Talk about the selections and other books you want to recommend for the future here in the Suggestion Box.
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Post by: Babi on September 21, 2011, 05:06:45 PM
 Well, okay, BARB.  I'll give it a try, so long as it's understood the list would undoubtedly
change as soon as I thought of something else I loved.
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Post by: salan on September 22, 2011, 06:11:15 AM
Please Marcie,  Don't keep us hanging any longer---what is the book?????????
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on September 22, 2011, 08:50:58 AM
Sally - you'll be surprised - we're deciding now how to handle the unusual result of the vote.  This is the first time ever for such a situation.   We're considering two different paths to follow.  Will let you know - in this spot - by the end of the day.
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Post by: Frybabe on September 22, 2011, 10:26:24 AM
Wow, a teaser. Can't wait.
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Post by: PatH on September 22, 2011, 11:08:05 AM
Good grief.  I can hardly wait.  I hope you'll share the gruesome details too.  I know I had a hard time picking, not surprised it's close.
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Post by: JoanP on September 23, 2011, 12:05:42 PM
The  The Elephant's Journey   (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=127.0) and   Ship of Fools   (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=2528.0) ended up in a tie - both times!  If you would like to participate in a discussion of either of the two books in November (or both of them) please let us know soon so we can get them on the schedule. The book titles are links to the proposed discussions.

 If you wanted to discuss both books, please indicate that in a post below. 
If you want to post in both books, but NOT in the same month of November, we'll need to know that too!  We may have to discuss each book in a different month in the new year.
Please let us know what you think!
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Post by: JudeS on September 23, 2011, 01:27:34 PM
Can we discuss both books but in different months?
Once we delve into THE ELEPHANT'S JOURNEY there will be so much History and Geography related material that SHIP OF FOOLS will get lost.

I haven't read S.O.F. but did see the movie. If the book is like the movie it is very psychologically thick.
Such differnt worlds. Difficult to mix them although separetely it will be wonderful.
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Post by: JoanP on September 24, 2011, 08:57:44 AM
We certainly can do that, Jude.  Since there is so much more enthusiasm being expressed for starting with Elephant's Journey, and since we usually opt for something light and "jolly" for December, we can consider discussing Ship of Fools in January - as long as there is sufficient interest.  Please post your though on this in the Ship of Fools discussion if you haven't already done so.
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Post by: JoanP on October 08, 2011, 11:57:45 AM
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Now Considering titles  for 2012 discussions-


January's Book Club Online  Discussion will be
Ship of Fools (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/410760.Ship_of_Fools)  by Katherine Anne Porter

Charles Dickens' 200th Birthday   is coming in February -
Nominate one of his titles  for our February Book Club Online in a post below:

Nominations to date:    (the titles are links)  

BLEAK HOUSE (http://charlesdickenspage.com/bleakhouse.html) ~ (often considered Dickens' masterpiece, his finest work, though not his most popular.)


GREAT EXPECTATIONS (http://charlesdickenspage.com/expectations.html) ~ (An absorbing mystery as well as a morality tale, this novel contains a strong autobiographical elements.)


PICKWICK PAPERS (http://charlesdickenspage.com/pickwick.html) ~ (Dickens' first novel:""If I were to live a hundred years and write three novels in each, I should never be so proud of any of them as I am of Pickwick.")


A Tale of Two Cities (http://charlesdickenspage.com/cities.html) ~ (This is the  novel, which begins "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times,"  set against the backdrop of the French Revolution.")

Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)



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Post by: JoanP on October 08, 2011, 12:04:48 PM
Let's open a discussion for light reading and discussion in December.  All suggestions will be considered. 
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Post by: salan on October 08, 2011, 12:38:04 PM
Count me in for Ship of Fools.  I would also be interested in a December discussion of light Christmas books.
Sally
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 08, 2011, 02:39:16 PM
OK found JoanP's post about trying to find suggestions for December that most who have spoken about December reading are looking for something light

Well did some homework and here are some suggestions...

 I cross referenced these with Amazon UK - I have not yet cross referenced them with Amazon Australia however, when I looked at titles for an Australian Christmas book on Amazon USA there was not much there - a few children's books and a lot about Christmas Island and so I am hoping these titles are generic enough

With the large number of us that remembered fondly reading Anna of Green Gables when we were young - did you know there is an extension of the story -
Avonlea Christmas: Spin-off from Anne of Green Gables and Road to Avonlea (http://www.amazon.com/Avonlea-Christmas-Spin-off-Green-Gables/dp/B00007JMF3)

Always fun and the TV series still rings with a visual for Rumpole
Rumpole Christmas Stories (http://www.amazon.com/Rumpole-Christmas-Stories-John-Mortimer/dp/0670021350/ref=sr_1_36?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318094836&sr=1-36)

I like this one - it is unique and it is the first I have heard of it...
My Christmas Attic Things Explained (http://www.amazon.com/My-Christmas-Attic-Things-Explained/dp/0595465072/ref=sr_1_46?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318094025&sr=1-46)

Now this one is on Sale at a very good price...with just the bit available to read it sounds like it will be a story of hope.
Christmas at Harringtons (http://www.amazon.com/Christmas-at-Harringtons-Melody-Carlson/dp/B0058M5O7Y/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_6)

This is a new one on me - sounds enchanting... a famous author's Christmas letters to his children...wow!
Letters Father Christmas J R R Tolkien (http://www.amazon.com/Letters-Father-Christmas-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/0618512659/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318095423&sr=1-1)

Seems like Anne Perry is popular where ever in the western world novels are read
Anne Perrys Silent Nights Victorian (http://www.amazon.com/Anne-Perrys-Silent-Nights-Victorian/dp/0345517296/ref=sr_1_28?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318096222&sr=1-28)

And this is a tome but a real delight - fun and Christmasy without being tongue and cheek or ironic, as so many are these days and not so sappy you need a drink to swallow the syrup. Doctors in rural Ireland - reminds you a lot of "All Creatures Great and Strong" with those three vets in rural England.
Irish Country Christmas (http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Country-Christmas-Books/dp/0765320703/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1318098331&sr=1-6)
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Post by: bellemere on October 14, 2011, 09:30:18 AM
for something light, witty, modern and sophisticated: The Three Weissmans of Westport.  Divorce in old age and consequences for the wife and daughters.  the two sisters echo those in Sense and Sensibilty by Jane Austen; the setting is New York's Upeer
West
Side and the tony CT suburb of Westport.
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Post by: JoanR on October 18, 2011, 03:58:40 AM
Two of Eudora Welty's books - "Ponder Heart" and the "Optimist's Daughter" were in the vote a litle while ago.  I read them both, realizing that Welty is a "must" and I've never read any of her books.  "Ponder Heart" is very funny - loved it! It's not long and I found the characters quite endearing.  Would make a good December selection I think.
  The other book I found interesting but certainly far from funny.  Worth reading for sure but not in December.
  I seem to be on a Michael Ondaatje binge right now set off by havng read "The Cat's Table" (super!) and now busy with "In the Skin of a Lion" , more to follow.  What a writer!
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Post by: kidsal on October 18, 2011, 05:30:48 AM
Of course there is always "The Christmas Carol" by Dickens
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Post by: JoanP on October 18, 2011, 08:15:58 AM
Kidsal, we're planning to celebrate Dickens' birthday in February - (his 200th!)  with a month long discussion of one of his works.  The consensus seems to be to discuss one of his not-so-often discussed works.  So far, the suggestion list includes these titles:

Barnaby Rudge
Our Mutual Friend
Chimes
Tale of Two Cities
Great Expectations

Does anyone care to expand on this list?
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Post by: JoanP on October 18, 2011, 08:22:52 AM
Bellemere - The Three Weissmans of Westport should go on our upcoming slate of nominations!  Light and witty seems to be what our readers are looking for these days.

And I agree with you, JoanR - we ought to put Eudora Welty's books back on the agenda.  Do you think  "The Cat's Table"  would be a good book for group discussion?
 
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Post by: Babi on October 18, 2011, 08:27:31 AM
JOANR, "super!" will catch me most every time. I hope one of my sources has "The Cat's
Table".
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Post by: salan on October 18, 2011, 06:56:33 PM
JoanP,  I did not care for The Three Weissman's.  I found it a little depressing and got disgusted with the women's need for a man in their lives.  It was well written, but.....
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on October 19, 2011, 02:29:26 PM
Oh my - it's a good thing we can talk about these different responses here...before scheduling them for a vote.  Thanks, Sally!
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Post by: JoanP on November 15, 2011, 12:59:39 PM
Thanks for the Heads up on the TCM production of Ship of Fools in the Library, Sheila!  Have you checked your TV listings for the time?  I noticed that it is only showing once on Thursday - Nov.17 at 1:15 am EST  At 10:15 PST... Will you check your TV listings and see if that's right?

I'd say it's a good movie in the big Hollywood tradition - star-studded cast.  Viven Leigh, Simone Signouret - Lee Marvin, Jose Ferrer - I think Elizabeth Ashley is in it too.  It has been called a "strange" adaptation of Katherine Ann Porter's novel.

We'll be discussing the real thing, the novel   - here on SeniorLearn in January.  You might enjoy comparing "Fools of1965" with those in 2012...  Fools Folks are already gathering here...Please do join us! 
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on November 22, 2011, 07:19:32 PM
I just finished Ann Padgett's book RUN.  I thought I had read all of her book until I saw this one in my library.   Perhaps it would make a good discussion.

Summary
Since their mother's death, Tip and Teddy Doyle have been raised by their loving, possessive, and ambitious father. As the former mayor of Boston, Bernard Doyle wants to see his sons in politics, a dream the boys have never shared. But when an argument in a blinding New England snowstorm inadvertently causes an accident that involves a stranger and her child, all Bernard Doyle cares about is his ability to keep his children--all his children--safe. Set over a period of twenty-four hours, Run takes us from the Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard to a home for retired Catholic priests in downtown Boston. It shows us how worlds of privilege and poverty can coexist only blocks apart from each other, and how family can include people you've never even met. As in her bestselling novel Bel Canto , Ann Patchett illustrates the humanity that connects disparate lives, weaving several stories into one surprising and endlessly moving narrative. Suspenseful and stunningly executed, Run is ultimately a novel about secrets, duty, responsibility, and the lengths we will go to protect our children.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on November 23, 2011, 03:07:59 AM
That sounds interesting Ella.
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Post by: Babi on November 23, 2011, 08:41:08 AM
That does sound good, ELLA. I'm not a great Ann Padgett fan, and Bel
Canto, though I liked it, left me angry and saddened. Still, I think I will
give 'Run'a trial if my library acquires it.
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Post by: Aberlaine on December 03, 2011, 05:11:17 PM
I love reading Christmas novels in December.  Even the mysteries seem to be light.  And if the story is about the goodness of humanity (which we see very little of these days) that would be the icing on the cake.

Nancy
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Post by: JoanP on December 06, 2011, 09:27:11 AM
Ella, thank you for the recommendation - everyone is talking about Ann Patchett's latest, State of Wonder - Run had escaped me.  Will give it a look - after the holidays.

Nancy, I agree about Christmas novels...being lighter somehow.  There's something in the air.  Kidsal suggested we read Christmas Carol - Is it just me, or does it seem to take on more significant meaning every year with a rereading?

Dickens' 200th birthday - 200th! - is coming up in February.  We're planning to celebrate with a discussion of one of his many novels.  To date, we've had three nominations - and will continue to add to the list until January when we will have a vote.  If you have any suggestions, please post here and we'll enter it into the slate for consideration.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on December 06, 2011, 01:16:31 PM
Reading together The Christmas Carol sounds really good and yes, each year there is another aspect of the story that seems to pop out front and center...

I'll join when I can but for me my life goes other places after tomorrow - traveling for my annual visit and then catching up with each other after a whole year has gone by and grandboys still wanting time with their grandmother - it is my North Star and I relish every moment - except the dreaded inspection to get on a plane these days...
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Post by: rosemarykaye on December 06, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
Have a great time Barb!

What about Bleak House?

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanP on December 06, 2011, 04:59:41 PM
There you are, Rosemary - I've been looking all over for you for information about Hogmanay.  Do you know what that's all about?  My son wants to
celebrate Hogmanay on New Year's!

If you take a look in the heading here, you'll see a link to Bleak House.  It's one of the three nominated so far.
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Post by: kiwilady on December 07, 2011, 12:29:24 AM
Hard Times is a good novel. I think its apt in a world where the gap between rich and poor is becoming ever wider. Dickens books awoke  social conscience in Great Britain as never before. I love Dickens and read my first Dickens novel Oliver Twist when I was about 10. My great grandpa had the whole set in leather in his library.

Carolyn
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Post by: JoanP on December 07, 2011, 08:37:50 AM
Carolyn, I agree Hard Times is a good, relevent novel for discussion.   A number of us enjoyed a discussion of that novel - and also Dickens'  not-so-often-discussed, The Mystery of Edwin Drood.  Both discussions can be found in our Archives.

Archived discussion of The Mystery of Edwin Drood (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=693.0)
Archived discussion of Hard Times (http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/archives/fiction/HardTimes.htm)

We haven't discussed Oliver Twist, however.  Would you like to put that one up for consideration for discussion in February?  Check the heading of this discussion for the nominated titles...
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Post by: ginny on December 07, 2011, 09:14:03 AM
Oh good, Dickens.  Love the photo in the Newsline. My nomination is already up there: Great Expectations, I do hope to read it someday, what better time, should it get selected?

The Times and the Sunday Times of London to which I am addicted, has put the following in for background info on Dickens:


(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00236/98637952_T2_dickens_236652c.jpg)



The explosion of Dickens books this winter will keep his fans reading well beyond it. The man who invented 13,000 characters continues to fascinate because of his own contradictory character. His first biographer was his friend John Forster, whose The Life of Charles Dickens hurtles back into print in an abridged but lavishly illustrated edition edited by Holly Furneaux (Sterling Signature, £27). It looks fit merely for the coffee table but is actually a work of passion and scholarship. Forster ignored Ellen ‘Nelly’ Ternan, the young actress — 31 when she died — whom Dickens fell for, and their affair was not revealed until 1939, when Gladys Storey published his daughter Kate’s unvarnished memories.

In her judicious and brilliant new biography, Claire Tomalin — previously Ternan’s chronicler — explodes any hope that their relationship was chaste, concluding disinterestedly in Charles Dickens: A Life (Viking, £24) that Ternan bore him a son who died in infancy. Anne Isba in the slighter Dickens and Women (Continuum, £13.49) less successfully controls her distaste and believes that he had a second child with her. The actress Miriam Margolyes, meanwhile, in a foreword to a transcript of her exuberant one-woman show, Dickens’ Women (Hesperus, £8.54), goes farther, admitting that she cannot forgive him for his treatment of his wife. It is, indeed, hard not to be shocked by the wicked letter that the author of Life of Our Lord (Oneworld Classics, £9.49) sent his friend Angela Burdett-Coutts after he left his wife. In it he quite falsely claimed that his daughters’ hearts shut up in her presence “as if they are closed by some horrid spring”. It is the lowest point in Jenny Hartley’s invaluable Selected Letters of Charles Dickens (OUP, £18) and can be read as one of scores of removable documents in his great-great-great-granddaughter Lucinda Dickens Hawksley’s Charles Dickens (Andre Deutsch, £27), not so much a book as a delightful giant jackdaw folder for grown-ups.

Graphologists after a real challenge, however, need The Manuscript of Great Expectations (CUP, £26.99), online from next month. Next to the above, the essays of Michael Slater’s The Genius of Dickens (Duckworth, £9.89) look workmanlike, while the remarkable thing about Dickens’s Victorian London (Ebury, £22.50) is that the contemporary photographs it assembles are less vivid than Dickens’ prose. The same could be said of Quentin Blake’s pale illustrations to yet another A Christmas Carol (Pavilion £9.49).


But here's one listed separately I really want:


This one is recommended by Andrew Morton: Charles Dickens: A Life by Claire Tomalin (Viking, £24) is a delicious insight not only into the life of, in my opinion, Britain’s greatest writer, but also the daily business of Victorian London. Tomalin manages to educate and entertain in equal measure. The perfect read for a winter’s afternoon.

Imagine inventing 13,000 characters!

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Post by: Frybabe on December 07, 2011, 09:45:04 AM
I wouldn't know where to begin to suggest a Dickens book. I have not actually read any except Oliver Twist and possibly Bleak House, but I don't remember a thing about it except the name. I don't recall actually reading A Tale of Two Cities, but I always wanted to. I've seen several versions on TV which is probably why I haven't ever added it to my TBR list.
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Post by: salan on December 07, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
I would love to read Tale of Two Cities, again.
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on December 07, 2011, 01:06:56 PM
The novel, which begins "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times".... A Tale of Two Cities has been added to the list in the heading, Sally, Frybabe .  Remember that the titles you see there are links to summaries of the plot - if that helps you decide.

Ginny,  Claire Tomalin's  Charles Dickens: A Life  will go right on my wish list - kids keep asking what I want.  I've an idea - we could read this, along with the Dickens' work we select.  Did you say you have it?
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Post by: Bow_Belle on December 07, 2011, 03:06:48 PM
One of my favourites is "Great Expectations"  charles dickens used to go in a Pub called " The Bunch of Grapes" in Limehouse London which was the area where my father was born. He got the idea for the book whilst in the pub There was a plaque placed where he used to sit and write
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Post by: JoanK on December 07, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
One thing good about the kiindle: whichever book you choose, I have it! The complete works of Dickens is available on Kindle either free or for a couple of dollars.
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Post by: marcie on December 07, 2011, 10:10:18 PM
I'd like to read Great Expectations and watch the new 2012 PBS production of Great Expectations. See more about the production with Gillian Anderson, David Suchet and Ray Winstone at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/classic/great_expectations.html

JoanK, That's great that you kindle owners have the entire Dickens!
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Post by: dean69 on December 08, 2011, 08:46:17 AM
Don't participate in the discussions often, but I do have a suggestion for a Dickens story.  It is "A Tale of Two Cities."  I remember our sophmore high school class wrote a play based on the novel.  Everyone wanted to play Sidney Carton so they could quote the lines, "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to, than I have ever known."  What fun!
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Post by: JoanP on December 08, 2011, 09:50:02 AM
Dean69 - you just reminded me - We did read A Tale of Two Cities in high school too!  Gee that was a long time ago...I'd forgotten til I read your post.  The Tale is up in the heading as one of the four nominations for a Dickens' discussion.  I really don't think we can go wrong - with whatever we choose, do you?  Thanks for your input!
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Post by: marcie on December 08, 2011, 10:20:45 AM
Speaking of Dickens, Matthew Pearl, author of THE LAST DICKENS will have a new book out in February. You can read more about THE TECHNOLOGISTS in my post in our Fiction discussion at http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=938.msg140435#msg140435

Perhaps if enough of us find the book in our library or purchase it in book form or on Kindle, we could discuss it in the near future. We've had great discussions of his books in the past and the author has participated in them.
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Post by: ginny on December 08, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
Pearson, not yet, it's definitely on my list tho. And wouldn't it be fun to see a movie adaptation of what we choose also, a book and a movie.

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Post by: ginny on December 09, 2011, 07:41:17 AM
Speaking of movies, I don't know what everybody's favorite version of a Christmas Carol is (mine is the Alistair Sim) but we're reading about Saturnalia dinners in the Latin 301 and a party game played at the table, very ingenious and that reminded me of The Minister's Cat from the  Albert Finney Scrooge (the only movie I have ever been to where the audience erupted after the movie onto the sidewalks singing "Thank you very much!")

Anyway here they are, playing The Minister's Cat:

Albert Finney in Scrooge: The Minister's Cat:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Nh7tXEX00

And of course Gordon Jackson (Mr. Hudson) in the circle. :)
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Post by: JoanK on December 09, 2011, 06:46:05 PM
my favorite: I saw live Patrick Stewart doing a one man show of the Christmas Carol. he played all the parts.
Title: Charles Dickens Novels
Post by: retired on December 11, 2011, 04:35:02 PM
Joan:
I vote for Bleak House for a February discussion.
Retired
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Post by: JoanP on December 12, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
Marcie, thanks for the reminder about Matthew Pearl's latest book The Technologists. I'm remembering the fun we had reading his book based on Dickens'  last novel - the Mystery of Edwin Drood.  Matthew has been such a willing contributer to our discussions here- three times...The Dante Club, The Poe Shadow, The Last Dickens ...

The Technologists is set in Pearl's own stomping grounds in 1868 - MIT, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is about to graduate its first class of seniors. .  A small group of seniors, including scholarship student Marcus Mansfield and sole female student Ellen Swallow, know that only the technological knowledge of those at the Institute can hope to uncover the man behind the attacks that may ruin the fledgling university.  

This sounds like Matthew Pearl at his best - and happiest.
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Post by: JoanP on December 12, 2011, 04:12:04 PM
JoanK - I love Patrick Stewart too!  Playing all the parts?

Retired, I would love to do Bleak House too.  What a place!  The name of the novel comes from the name of Dickens' summer home in 1850.  Dickens lived here when he wrote David Copperfield, his 8th novel and I rhink he may have lived here in 1853 when he wrote the novel by the same name...Bleak House was his 9th novel.
Can you believe this place?  It's on the market right now for just a tad over 2 million pounds!

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/24/article-0-0CB0FC8200000578-381_634x392.jpg)

You can read about it here - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2007820/Charles-Dickenss-Bleak-House-holiday-home-sale-2m.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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Post by: Babi on December 13, 2011, 08:28:10 AM
 Hmm, does look a bit bleak.  I wonder if a few colorful planters would help.
From the location, it might be a bit windy, too.
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Post by: bluebird24 on December 13, 2011, 07:33:34 PM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)
 

 Currently selecting one of Charles Dickens' Classics for February-

~ Step One - Read Information on each title in the list below - (the book title is a link.)

~ Step Two -
 Vote HERE   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KV2NKN8) (click this link to vote)

  (Titles below are links to more information)  

BLEAK HOUSE (http://charlesdickenspage.com/bleakhouse.html) ~ (often considered Dickens' masterpiece, his finest work, though not his most popular.)


GREAT EXPECTATIONS (http://charlesdickenspage.com/expectations.html) ~ (An absorbing mystery as well as a morality tale, this novel contains a strong autobiographical elements.)


PICKWICK PAPERS (http://charlesdickenspage.com/pickwick.html) ~ (Dickens' first novel:""If I were to live a hundred years and write three novels in each, I should never be so proud of any of them as I am of Pickwick.")


A Tale of Two Cities (http://charlesdickenspage.com/cities.html) ~ (This is the  novel, which begins "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times,"  set against the backdrop of the French Revolution.")

Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)


http://books.mirror.org/gb.dickens.html

you can read some stories online
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Post by: bluebird24 on December 13, 2011, 07:35:58 PM
http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/catalogs/bysubject-lit-charlesdickens.html
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Post by: bluebird24 on December 13, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
http://www.gutenberg.org/
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Post by: marcie on December 13, 2011, 10:34:38 PM
Thanks for those links, bluebird.
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Post by: Frybabe on December 13, 2011, 11:47:39 PM
Bluebird24, I am enjoying browsing through the World Wide School Library site. Of course I zeroed in on the recipes from Applied Science and Technology. The Almond Jelly Cake ingredients, I noticed, are measured in coffee cups.
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Post by: JeanneP on December 19, 2011, 07:08:13 PM
Now how old is the "Ship of Fools". Can't find it anyplace in the Library.  Seems like I saw the movie years ago but I can't even find the DVD.  I am sure they would not have just left it on VCR.  Never checked for it
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Post by: hats on December 19, 2011, 10:10:35 PM
Hi JoanP and Group,

As usual lately, I'm lost and a little bit confused. Is this discussion about Ship of Fools or Charles Dickens? If I'm not mistaken, I remember when Ship of Fools was published or came to the movies. It was sooooo popular. I never read it. Always wondered whether I would enjoy it. Then, I heard the title mentioned here. I thought, "aaaaaah, I should have read it." Now I have the chance again. Haven't checked the price of it. Haven't checked the library. I think it's a chunky novel. So, I would rather own a copy of it.

By the way just a couple of days ago, I lost my heart to Charles Dickens. I'm reading Great Expectations on my Kindle. What can I say?? It's fabulous. It makes my whole heart feel light and fluffy like a good cake. I've met two convicts, Joe Gargery, Pip, Joe Gargery's wife who is Pip's sister and Mrs. Havisham and the young girl named Eleanora. I might have her name wrong. My Kindle is in the bedroom.

Before I die I want to read every book and story written by Charles Dickens. Also, I want to read a bio of Charles Dickens. I have two or three Dickens' novels under my belt. This doesn't count. I didn't read for the joy of it but to write papers for school. So, I would prefer to say Great Expectations is my first time with a Charles Dickens book.Truly, I'm having a love affair.

Would like to give a shout out to Ginny! :D Oh, I've fallen into the Charles Dickens discussion. Perfect.
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Post by: hats on December 19, 2011, 10:11:50 PM
By the way, it feels so good typing in this little white box again. I've missed all of you. ;)
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Post by: Frybabe on December 19, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
Hi Hats. It is good to hear from you again. Yes, Dickens is quite something isn't he? When I read Oliver Twist pre-computer, I followed him around London with a street map. How wonderful it would be to read it again now with Google Earth/Maps.
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Post by: hats on December 19, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Hi Frybabe,

I'll bet you had a wonderful time. I can't imagine taking such a journey. ::)
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Post by: Frybabe on December 19, 2011, 10:56:49 PM
Wish that I had actually been there. No, I was just arm chair traveling with the map while reading. Dickens was specific enough that I was able to find most of the streets on the map.
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Post by: marcie on December 20, 2011, 01:31:43 AM
Jeanne, the novel, SHIP OF FOOLS, was written in 1962 and the film was made in 1965. I was able to find both the book and the DVD in my public library. The DVD doesn't have any extra features (such as behind the scenes, etc) so if you find a VHS that might do as well. There are some used videos at http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/6302305942/ref=sr_1_4_olp?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1324362511&sr=1-4&condition=used

Now how old is the "Ship of Fools". Can't find it anyplace in the Library.  Seems like I saw the movie years ago but I can't even find the DVD.  I am sure they would not have just left it on VCR.  Never checked for it

Hats, it is great to see you back! I found some used paperbacks of THE SHIP OF FOOLS at http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0316713902/ref=sr_1_1_up_1_pap_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1324362757&sr=1-1&condition=used

This discussion is just for suggesting books. When we all decide on which Dickens to read together, we'll open a new discussion for it. I am glad that you are so enthusiastic about Dickens. I can't say that I've been wild about the few books of his that I've read but I think your appreciation of him will help me learn to love his work more.
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Post by: hats on December 20, 2011, 02:24:39 AM
Marcie, thank you for the link. Not sure I'll make it to any of the discussions. Just stopped by for Holiday hello. Thank you for the link. Happy Holidays to All~
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Post by: JoanP on December 20, 2011, 07:44:16 AM
Good morning, Hats!  and a Happy New Year to you.  We sure have missed you.  It would be great to have you join a Dickens' discussion - Great Expectations just might be the choice.  We'lll vote in January to discuss in February - to celebrate Dickens' 200th birthday anniversary.

I have to add - don't miss his little-known Mystery of Edwin Drood.  We discussed it here on SeniorLearn a while back - a tantalizing book, his last, never-finished.  But oh, what writing.  And what fun trying to solve the mystery!  Frybabe, next time in London, try following Edwin Drood around that town!

I hope all of you will plan to join in the discussion of Ship of Fools in January.  (it's much better than the movie - so said the author, KA Porter.)
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Post by: Babi on December 20, 2011, 09:57:38 AM
 Good to hear from you, HATS, and especially that you are enjoying Dickens.
I think I've read everything of his; he has been a long time favorite. Not
all of his book are cheerful, tho', by any means.  He addressed a lot of social
issues in his time. 
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Post by: hats on December 20, 2011, 10:54:28 AM
Hi Babi and JoanP~
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Post by: ginny on December 20, 2011, 11:52:11 AM
(http://seniorlearn.org/latin/graphics/Graphics/holly.gif) Hello, Hats, how are you? It's so good to see you here!

 If you have not read any Dickens, you might like David Copperfield after your current experience or A Christmas Carol too. I also remember reading Oliver Twist, Frybabe, but after I saw the  musical which I also loved. Such treasures, and this time of the rolling year as Dickens would say, you really want to read a Dickens.

:)
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Post by: JoanK on December 20, 2011, 10:45:31 PM
HEY, HATS! Great that you're back! So you have a kindle, too --- isn't it a blast!!

And The Complete Dickens costs about 2 dollars! The better the book, the cheaper it is!
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Post by: JoanP on December 21, 2011, 09:54:49 AM
Oh my goodness~  why is that, JoanK ?  Because the Dickens are no longer under copyright?
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Post by: Frybabe on December 21, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
JoanP and JoanK, project Gutenberg recently added several Dickens books to their free library. Great Expectations is the only title I remember just now.
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Post by: Babi on December 22, 2011, 08:02:17 AM
 I'm trying to remember.  There was quite a bit posted about "Night Circus" not long ago, and
I can't remember if it was one scheduled for discussion.  Was it?  I've gotten a copy from my
library, and if we are going to discuss in in the future I do want to make some notes.
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Post by: JoanP on December 22, 2011, 09:47:44 AM
Babi...I have a terrible memory.  Don't remember Night Circus at all.  Can you tell us a bit about it?  What got your attention?

We're getting closer to choosing a Dickens' title for February discussion.  We'll vote on those titles nominated by our readers.  Check the heading to be sure your favorite will be included in the vote.
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Post by: Frybabe on December 22, 2011, 10:17:41 AM
Babi, we didn't do a book discussion on Night Circus. It is a book I want to read, but haven't put in for it yet at the library. I want to reduce my TBR pile here before I get more books, bought or borrowed, to read. It is also on my Wish List on Amazon so I don't forget it.
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Post by: JoanK on December 22, 2011, 04:15:21 PM
JOANP: that's one of the great things about e-readers. The classic literature is available for pennies, thanks to Project Gutenberg and others. I have the complete Shakespeare, Austen, Mark Twain, Dickens, Sherlock Holmes, Thoreau,a choice of translations of the Greek and Roman writers, etc etc at my fingertips. And they don't take up (nonexistant) space on my bookcases, and are not too heavy to hold! You name it -- I can get it in seconds.

The "Book of the moment" costs money, but the books for all time are almost free.
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Post by: salan on December 22, 2011, 04:33:27 PM
I have been reading Night Circus.  It is very strange, but well written and interesting.  However, since I am having about a dozen people over to my house for Christmas; I have done no reading in December.  I will probably have to turn it in unread, but I will definitely check it out to finish (although, I may have to start over...). 

The older I get, the longer it takes to get anything done.  Sigh.....
Sally
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Post by: Frybabe on December 22, 2011, 05:49:22 PM
Quote
The older I get, the longer it takes to get anything done.  Sigh.....
Sally

I'll drink eggnog to that, Sally
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Post by: rosemarykaye on December 23, 2011, 05:57:42 AM
But Sally, I think that's because we are all such interesting people with lots of interesting thoughts to sidetrack us  :)

The older I get the less I care if I do get half the things done that I once would have thought important.  Viz Christmas - I used to make everything from scratch and run around like a demented chicken, now I buy most of it from Lidl and it is my 16 year old daughter who wants to make sausage rolls, mince pies, etc - so I let her.  It's amazing how often if you don't do something it turns out not to have been that important in the first place, don't you find?
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Post by: Babi on December 23, 2011, 08:59:19 AM
 Ah, yes, ROSEMARY. During the years when my house was the gathering place for family holidays, I took great pride in producing a huge, delicious dinner. No packaged cornbread dressing, special homemade desserts,..the whole schmear. Now, it's a much smaller group and my daughters do most of the cooking. I figure I've earned my rest.

  I haven't started 'Night Circus' yet. The posts intrigued me, describing
it as a quirky and unusual book, beautifully written.  The reviews use phrases
like "playful and intensely imaginative", "as dark as it is dazzling",
"engrossing", "utterly enchanting".  I mean, how can I resist?!! :)
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Post by: salan on December 24, 2011, 05:32:19 AM
Rosemary, Frybabe, and Babi,  what you say is so true.  What I used to consider important is definitely not so much anymore.  However, I still make my dressing from scratch.  It's just so much better than the mixes that it is definitely worth the trouble.  I also bake the turkey, but buy the honey baked ham and use packaged pie crust mix.  I definitely don't make all the candies, pies and goodies that my mother used to make.  The holidays are now focused on people I love instead of all the food.  I've also found that my house doesn't need to be as "spotless" as I always thought it did. 

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you with best wishes for a healthy, happy and prosperous New Year.

Sally
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Post by: Aberlaine on December 28, 2011, 06:32:45 AM
I just bought a Christmas present for myself - a Kindle.  I haven't read any Dickens in ages.  So I'll be happy with whatever book is chosen.

Nancy
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Post by: JoanP on December 28, 2011, 08:24:01 AM
Nancy, what a nice present you received from yourself! :D  My granddaughter (10) asked for one for Christmas - and was lucky to receive one.  Caused a scare  when my  son received a notice from Amazon the day after Christmas - saying that Lindsay had ordered 33 books for the Kindle.  (She found a site where she could download free books, but that wasn't clear at first.)

 I'll be interested to hear your reaction to reading a book on your Kindle.  I would imagine it takes some getting used to at first?

We're really close to voting on the Dickens' selection for February discussion.  If there is another besides those already nominated that you would like to see included in the vote, you still have time to nominate a title.

Those nominated to date:

BLEAK HOUSE ~ (often considered Dickens' masterpiece, his finest work, though not his most popular.)


GREAT EXPECTATIONS ~ (An absorbing mystery as well as a morality tale, this novel contains a strong autobiographical elements.)


PICKWICK PAPERS ~ (Dickens' first novel:""If I were to live a hundred years and write three novels in each, I should never be so proud of any of them as I am of Pickwick.")


A Tale of Two Cities ~ (This is the  novel, which begins "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times,"  set against the backdrop of the French Revolution.")

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Post by: Babi on December 28, 2011, 08:30:29 AM
 'Pickwick' and 'Two Cities' are definitely my all-time favorites.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on December 28, 2011, 08:35:39 AM
Last night we watched the first of a new three part TV adaptation of Great Expectations.  I wasn't sure that anything could live up to the David Lean film, but it was brilliant.  Gillian Anderson played Miss Havisham wonderfully - it may just be that I am older now, but I saw so much in her that I missed in the old film.  Ray Winstone was fabulous as Magwitch.  In fact, they were all fabulous.  I hope you get this on PBS in due course.  Looking forward to the second instalment tonight.

Rosemary
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Post by: marcie on December 28, 2011, 06:43:49 PM
Rosemary, how exciting that you're getting to see GREAT EXPECTATIONS! I think we have to wait until April in the U.S.

I see it got a lot of viewers in the UK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/8981287/Great-Expectations-meets-BBCs-high-hopes.html
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Post by: Babi on December 29, 2011, 08:44:50 AM
 I do hope you're right, MARCIE, and that we will be getting it here.  I really would love to see it.
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Post by: marcie on December 30, 2011, 01:20:26 AM
Great Expectations is set to air on April 1 and 8 in the U.S. on many PBS stations. See the Masterpiece schedule at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html
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Post by: kidsal on December 30, 2011, 02:17:46 AM
Purchased the Norton edition of Great Expectations.  Contains maps, reviews, and explanations for many of the terms used. 
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Post by: rosemarykaye on December 30, 2011, 04:28:55 AM
Saw the last episode of Great Expectations last night.  There was so much that i had forgotten.  Gillian Anderson was magnificent.  I forgot to mention that David Suchet was Jaggers, also wonderful. 

Afterwards there was a trailer for another Dickens that they are going to show next year.  Predictably I've already forgotten what it was.  Could be The Old Curiosity Shop?

Rosemary
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Post by: Babi on December 30, 2011, 08:22:47 AM
 I look forward to "Great Expectations".   "The Old Curiosity Shop" has such
a tragic ending, I'm not sure I want watch that.  Reading it was traumatic
enough.
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Post by: marcie on December 31, 2011, 01:16:05 PM
One 90-minutes episode of THE OLD CURIOSITY SHOP (from 2007) is set to air on many U.S. PBS stations on February 26, 2012. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/curiosityshop/index.html
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Post by: Cathy B on January 02, 2012, 11:25:39 AM
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  And the selection for February is...

~ Charles Dickens' Bleak House  

We hope you will join us Here  (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=2819.msg145103#new) for the discussion.    
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Post by: Frybabe on January 02, 2012, 11:33:45 AM
Hi Cathy,

I've never heard of American Notes for General Circulation. I've have to look it up. Thanks for the info.

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Post by: marcie on January 02, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
The work is sometimes entitled just "American Notes." It's available for reading online in several places, including http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/DicAmer.html
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Post by: Frybabe on January 02, 2012, 01:19:01 PM
What an excruciatingly difficult choice. Still thinking.
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Post by: JudeS on January 02, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
Hmmm.....
We are now reading Ship of Fools which is a "downer book".(At least so far)
I don't like the sound of BLEAK HOUSE after that.
I have read Tale of Two Citiies in High School and Great Expectations as a teen ager also.
So my vote goes to Pickwick Papers . If Dickens felt the proudest of this book above all others it must be a good read. Hope it wins.
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Post by: Frybabe on January 02, 2012, 06:26:28 PM
Jude, I also decided Bleak House was going to be, well, too bleak. Pickwick Papers is supposed to have more humor in it than Dickens' usual fare. I read snippets of all four, thought Great Expectations was very readable and almost chose it. I noticed, however, that many of the reader comments on Amazon stated that they were forced to read it in school and that it was boring. One commenter was a teacher who was convinced that the only reason it was required reading is that it is short enough to cover in class time alloted.

I look forward to seeing the PBS presentation of Great Expectations . I just looked at the trailer on You Tube. It looks like they modernized the setting. Many of the reviewers who saw one of the earlier movies liked watching the movie better than reading the book.
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Post by: JoanP on January 02, 2012, 08:01:35 PM
There's been heavy voting in the last 24 hours.  Shouldn't say much about what's going on - except maybe, we've got a dead heat right now!

I'm hoping that no matter which title is chosen you will all join the discussion in February.  I'm looking forward to the new production of Great Expectations too, Frybabe.  Not sure I like any of the productions more than I enjoy Dickens' writing though...
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Post by: Frybabe on January 02, 2012, 08:28:09 PM
What I'd like to know is is Great Expectations really boring, or are were the reviewers grousing because they were forced to read it for school, perhaps before they could fully appreciate it? The little bit I read to make my final decision did not strike me as boring.
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Post by: marcie on January 03, 2012, 01:18:31 AM
I read Great Expectations in 8th grade and wasn't mature enough to appreciate it. I'd like to read the story now.
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Post by: JoanR on January 03, 2012, 08:10:08 AM
Can't begin to imagine how anyone could find "Great Expectations" boring!!!!!  So much happens!!! Hope it wins the vote!
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Post by: Babi on January 03, 2012, 09:06:57 AM
The Pickwick Papers is a delight, JUDE. Just climb into the carriage and enjoy the ride.
   Personally, I don't usually like it when a classic is 'modernized'. Part of my enjoyment is in the old settings, mores and manners.  I hope I won't sound snide if I remark that I suspect many people prefer a movie to a book because the movie is quicker, easier, and doesn't require as
much thought.
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Post by: nlhome on January 03, 2012, 07:23:38 PM
I have not read Pickwick Papers. Might be a good choice.

I did read Great Expectations in high school, and I never understood why. So perhaps it would be good to reread.

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Post by: rosemarykaye on January 04, 2012, 01:05:04 PM
If the PBS Great Expectations is the one we have just seen here - with Gillian Anderson as Miss Havisham - it was not modernised at all.  Of course they did reinterpret some scenes, but I suppose there wouldn't have been much point in re-doing it if they just reproduced the David Lean film.  As I've said elsewhere, I loved it and thought Anderson was outstanding.  Some of the reviewers here slated it, but they are a fickle lot!  All I can say is, we enjoyed it!

Rosemary
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Post by: Frybabe on January 04, 2012, 02:03:46 PM
Oh good, Rosemarykaye, I must take another look at the trailer. What part does David Suchet play, do you remember?
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Post by: rosemarykaye on January 04, 2012, 02:51:54 PM
He plays Jaggers and is just perfect.
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Post by: Babi on January 05, 2012, 08:01:37 AM
 I'm really looking forward to it.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 05, 2012, 01:34:31 PM
for some reason the story of Great Expectations always gave me the willies - for anyone to feel dependent on someone else and their whims for money - rrrr - and those two woman - or to be more precise - girl and old woman - sure had his nose by the string - no story left but I would have preferred if he just had the courage to shuck himself of the financial help even if it meant he had to go off to sea or something.
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Post by: Babi on January 06, 2012, 08:25:41 AM
 Maybe, but I can sympathze with the boys hopes even while I want to smack
the women.  There isn't much hope for a good life running off to sea.  Unless
you have the education and family support to become an officer, it's just one
more way to spend a harsh life and die damaged and poor.  Or turn to a life
of crime; that can be profitable if you're clever and careful.  All of which, I think, is part of what Dickens is pointing out.  The poor boy who wants to make his way to a better life will need the backing and support of someone
with funds.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 06, 2012, 02:33:41 PM
I guess that is it Babi - the old saying of sell your soul to the company store comes to mind - and to me with his background it was easy to convince him to sell his soul therefore, to me that was an easy manipulation and coercion that he fell for hook line and sinker.

I guess to me there are worse things than being poor - being manhandled is one of them and he sure had his share - can you escape being manhandled if you are poor - I do not know - can you escape being coerced into what appears to be milk and honey that ends up eating you alive - you have to have a pretty strong value system to rise above that kind of coercion and that is what gives me the willies - here she was the adult coercing a brutalized child - rrrrr - a chill goes up my spine.
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Post by: Babi on January 07, 2012, 08:47:15 AM
 Being poor surely doesn't always mean mistreatment, or low self-esteem, or
victimization.  It is definitely a disadvantage, but we all know many people
who have risen to great heights from poor beginnings.  Strong family support
and a sense of worth are so important.  Some strong personalities manage
to overcome even a bad family background, though I think it must have its
effect on their outlook on life.
  We still have adults who abuse and victimize children, and it makes me
angry, too.  And by no means are all of them poor.  At least we don't take
hungry and abused children for granted now, as they apparently did in Dickens' time.   
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Post by: JoanP on January 10, 2012, 10:56:02 AM
As you probably suspected, the vote was too close to call -   We need to select the ONE the majority would be happy with. Are you ready? Flex your voting finger...

 A RUN-OFF Vote for February Dickens' discussion
 And then there were TWO...

~ Step One - Read Information on each title in the list below - (the book title is a link.)

~ Step Two -
 Vote HERE   (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BMSMJVL) (click this link to vote)

  (Titles below are links to more information)  

BLEAK HOUSE (http://charlesdickenspage.com/bleakhouse.html) ~ (often considered Dickens' masterpiece, his finest work, though not his most popular.)


GREAT EXPECTATIONS (http://charlesdickenspage.com/expectations.html) ~ (An absorbing mystery as well as a morality tale, this novel contains a strong autobiographical elements.)
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Post by: JoanR on January 20, 2012, 05:02:46 PM
Which book won?  Luckily, I'll be happy with either one and already own copies of each!
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Post by: salan on January 20, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
I downloaded both books (free) on my Kindle, so I am ready for either.
Sally
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Post by: Tomereader1 on January 21, 2012, 09:57:45 PM
I thought we were getting the results after the 18th.  Today's the 21st.
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Post by: hats on January 22, 2012, 07:31:49 AM
I hope GREAT EXPECTATIONS won. I really like Pip even though.....
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Post by: Babi on January 22, 2012, 09:25:01 AM
 Sorry, HATS, but Bleak House won.  Hope you will still participate, tho'.  I
so much enjoy 'talking' with you on-line.
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Post by: hats on January 22, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
I will try my very best. Maybe the book is on my Kindle. Hope you have a nice day, Babi.
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Post by: jane on January 22, 2012, 11:47:13 AM
The discussion for the February Book Club Online, Bleak House (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=2819.0), is now open.  Please come join in.
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Post by: marcie on January 22, 2012, 11:05:47 PM
I had hoped for GREAT EXPECTATIONS too, hats. But I'll join the Bleak House discussion to try to follow with the rest of you the dozens of characters in that book. It should be interesting.
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Post by: Babi on January 23, 2012, 08:57:18 AM
 Now that I'm older (and wiser? ::)),  I expect I'll appreciate and enjoy Bleak
House much more than I did the first time around.
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Post by: kidsal on January 24, 2012, 06:41:43 PM
OK - count me in!
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Post by: Babi on January 25, 2012, 08:37:41 AM
 I have my copy of Bleak House from the library, one with the original 'Phiz'
illustrations, a list of characters, and even a chronology of Dickens' life.  I
don't really see how the latter could be much help in dicussing the book, but
the publishers included it anyway.
  Oh, yes, it also has a short preface in which Dickens briefly defends his depiction of the Court of Chancery.  He insists it was every bit that bad!
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Post by: JoanK on January 25, 2012, 02:48:54 PM
And I believe him.
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Post by: Babi on January 26, 2012, 08:37:05 AM
 :)
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Post by: ANNIE on March 19, 2012, 10:26:11 AM
For those of you who love historical fiction, I would highly recommend  "Peony in Love" by Lisa See.  She is the author of "Snowflower and the Secret Fan" which was made into a movie. Both good books but Peony is quite different as the author uses fantasy to tell her story.

While doing research on another book, much to Lisa See's surprise, she finds that  in the 1600's, in China's Yangzi Delta, there were thousands of women authors who were published.
And not only that, but many were professional woman writers who not only wrote for large public audiences but also supported their families with their written words.  Although the women were mostly wealthy, having bound feet and living in seclusion.

The author wonders why she has never heard about them before now.  Why haven't we all been aware of these women?
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Post by: JoanP on March 19, 2012, 11:44:54 AM
I never heard of these women either, Annie - sound like a winner.  Let's start a new nominating slate for the header...
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Post by: Babi on March 20, 2012, 08:53:47 AM
  Valerie and I watched the film "Snowflower and the Secret Fan",  but we didn't
finish it.  It seemed overly long and became tedious.  I might have liked the book
better.  Has anyone had an opportunity to compare book and film?
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Post by: ANNIE on March 20, 2012, 11:32:56 AM
JoanP,
And how do I do that?  Its been too long!

Babi
I really don't remember the movie that well but the book, I do and I really like it.  I can remember having a sort of check list for the movie and I think I thought that the producers covered all the pertinent facts from the book.  How's that for a non-answer? :D
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Post by: Babi on March 21, 2012, 08:21:55 AM
 Considering the topic, no bad at all, ANNIE.   :)
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Post by: JoanP on March 21, 2012, 09:18:09 AM
Annie, you did just fine by suggesting the book.  We'll get up a new nomination chart up in the heading as soon as we can.  One thing that will help - if you can find a good site describing or reviewing the book.  We'll link the book title to that review.  Thanks!
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Post by: ANNIE on March 22, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)
 

Nominations  for  June Bookclub Online Discussion-

Post your Nominations now!

************************************************************

Note that book titles are linked to reviews:

Peony in Love (http://contemporarylit.about.com/od/historicalfictionreviews/fr/peonyInLove.htm)  by Lisa See


The Gathering (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/books/review/Schillinger-t.html?pagewanted=all/peonyInLove.htm)  by Anne Enright


Run (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/books/20masl.html)  by Ann Patchett

 
The Gospel According to Jesus Christ (https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/jose-saramago/the-gospel-according-to-jesus-christ/)  by Jose Saramago


The Viper's Tangle (http://www.enotes.com/vipers-tangle-salem/vipers-tangle-9230000334)  by François Mauriac


In My Father's House (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007/feb/11/biography.features)  by Miranda Seymour


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)



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Post by: JoanP on March 22, 2012, 02:40:07 PM
Yes, Annie, that would be a big help. Right here in a post.  As soon as I see it, I'll put togetrher a new slate for the coming months.
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Post by: ANNIE on March 22, 2012, 05:01:02 PM
I will not be discussing Peony before the end of Bleak House happens on May 15th. Hope that is okay with you.   A link is proving somewhat difficult as so far they are awfully lengthy.  Still looking! This one is the best though long and suggests what  I said earlier about the book and doing some pre-reading of the book flaps and the Author's Notes on Pg.275.
 
http://contemporarylit.about.com/od/historicalfictionreviews/fr/peonyInLove.htm (http://contemporarylit.about.com/od/historicalfictionreviews/fr/peonyInLove.htm)
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Post by: ANNIE on March 22, 2012, 05:27:54 PM
Babi,
Here's quote from the summary about the Snowflower and the Secret Fan which really took me back as didn't realize it was about China for some unknown reason.   And still can't get a picture of the movie up in my mind. Wasn't Snowflower presented as a Geisha girl?  Now I will have to reread that book for sure.  I feel like I just fell off a turnip truck!
 
"Snow Flower and the Secret Fan", set in 19th Century China, revealed the practice of women's secret writing, which had prevailed for a thousand years."Peony in Love" continues a tradition of strong female protagonists.

Maybe I am confusing Snowflower with Memoirs of a Geisha?  Heck, I don't know!  I think I need a nap. :(
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Post by: JoanP on March 22, 2012, 06:40:49 PM
Thanks, Annie.  I entered the title and that link in the heading  It's the FIRST suggestion for the next Book discussion.  It won't be for a while yet as we have a way to go with Bleak House.
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Post by: Babi on March 23, 2012, 08:37:20 AM
Oh, my. "Peony In Love" sounds like a beautifully written book, but I really cringed when
I read that only on her deathbed does she learn that the young poet she is dying for was
actually her fiance'.  So foolish and pointless. That's even worse than those idiotic
teenagers, Juliet and Romeo.
 ANNE, no geisha girl. A matchmaker made a young girl of a poor family more eligible for
marriage by promoting her as a companion and contracted lifelong friend to the daughter
of a wealthy family. All of which was wholly new to me, and fascinating.  The movie was simply
too long, imo, and began to drag a bit.
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Post by: ANNIE on March 24, 2012, 07:30:32 AM
Ah, Babi, but Peony dies early in the book.  And then one is dealing with her afterlife plus all the well known women writers.  Some alive and some not! 
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Post by: Babi on March 24, 2012, 09:08:10 AM
  Oh, good!  If Peony has an 'afterlife',  then her 'life' was not entirely wasted.  I could enjoy the
book under those circumstances.  It's natural, isn't it,  to hate the thought of young people
dying early, and all their potential lost?
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Post by: ANNIE on March 25, 2012, 09:44:02 AM
Yes, it is natural.  Always seems horrible to me.
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Post by: JudeS on April 13, 2012, 12:41:18 AM
I would like to suggest "The Gathering" by Anne Enright.
It won the Man Booker Prize for 2007.
Anne Enright is an Irish author and she tells a fascinating story of a very large family of ten children to a middle class family . (She writes as one of the children).
The children, now grown, are gathering  in their home in Dublin for the wake of their wayward brother, Liam, who drowned.
It is a story of betrayal and redemption through three generations of the Hegarty clan.
It is about festering secrets and warped memories.

It is a book that grabs you and shakes you and doesn't let you go even for weeks and months after you have finished it.
I think I will never forget this amazing book and the story it tells. I hope we can share it.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 13, 2012, 01:26:08 AM
It was a good book wasn't it - and her writing - but then I think she is among the best just being Irish - the Irish have a way with words...

That was a good year - I remember reading all 5 of those in the last cut before the winner and among them was "Pip" another interesting story well written - an Island is occupied by soldiers and the teacher has the children attend school each day remembering sentences and together they rebuilding the story Great Expectations - he has the uncooperative-with-education village adults come and share there life tales - they tell their stories of betrayal, abuse and hardship which enlightens the children to the lives of their elders so the understand them better. As a result one women and her daughter confronts the enemy soldiers - the mother is killed and the daughter is telling the story years later as a school teacher herself. It has been a few years since i read it but those are the highlights I remember.
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Post by: JoanP on April 13, 2012, 08:47:47 AM
 
Quote
a book that grabs you and shakes you and doesn't let you go even for weeks and months after you have finished it.

High praise, Jude. Sounds fascinating.   Will put it into the heading for consideration when I get back.  Thanks!
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Post by: ANNIE on April 13, 2012, 12:47:05 PM
I just spent two hours on Ancestry.com reading a 2nd cousin's listings of his and my family.  Fascinating to see how much he has recorded there and what I supplied him with last year is up there also.  We have spoken to each other but he was moving to Texas and I haven't met him personally.  Just pure fun!
Jude,
That book sounds really good and I will be looking it up at my library today.

Hmmmm, here a quote from a book group at my library.

The Gathering by Friday Bookworms

Offensive, depressing very dark, but very descriptive narrative. Intriguing, evocative, but not enjoyable. Insight into a grieving troubled mind of a woman dealing with her brother's death.

Now, I am really intriqued!  We have 29 copies and many available.
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Post by: JudeS on April 13, 2012, 02:49:56 PM
adoannie
Why would the library have 29 copies if the book is offensive?
If this book is offensive then so is real life. But perhaps the person that found the book offensive feels the same about real life.

Barb
Thank you for reminding me of the book "Pip" which I read many years ago. I did not put it together with this book written some years later by Enright.
I remember thinking of how much "Pip" made my mind run in new channels.
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Post by: ANNIE on April 13, 2012, 05:21:40 PM
Jude,
I was already thinking that to myself and I said, "Self, you must reserve this book just to check it out to see what everyone is talking about.  :D
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Post by: marcie on April 13, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
I'd like to read Charle's Dicken's GREAT EXPECTATIONS.  I haven't read it since I was 12 or so and I don't recall the details. I watched the recent PBS production (which I liked very much) and now I want to read the book. I'm reading Bleak House with many of you and learning a lot from your insights and questions.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 14, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
Well here is what Amazon has to say about 'The Gathering' http://tinyurl.com/7kxho3j
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 14, 2012, 12:26:51 AM
The Gathering won in 2007 and here is the short list

Nicola Barker »
    Darkmans »
    Fourth Estate
   
Mohsin Hamid »
    The Reluctant Fundamentalist »
    Hamish Hamilton
   
Lloyd Jones »
    Mister Pip »
    John Murray
   
Ian McEwan »
    On Chesil Beach »
    Jonathan Cape
   
Indra Sinha »
    Animal’s People »
    Simon & Schuster

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Post by: JudeS on April 14, 2012, 01:49:15 AM
I now realize that  The book "Mr Pip" was written by Lloyd Jones and not by Enright.

This book,  for me, was hard to read because of some of the scenes even though the outcome was so positive.
The fact that Pip was a model for so many downtrodden people was an interesting one.
Perhaps, even in England of the mid 19th century, it was Pip who became the person many identified with.
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Post by: Babi on April 14, 2012, 08:36:15 AM
I'm getting so much more from 'Bleak House' in the current discussion, that I
think I could go back now and get much more from Dickens on re-reading all his
books. I've got a few on my shelves, too.

 Never heard of any of those, BARB. Sometimes choices are a reflection of the
current times and fashion, but have no 'staying' power.
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Post by: JoanP on April 14, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
Marcie, we did say that we'd do Great Expectations this year - it came so close to Bleak House in the vote.   I'd like to read it - especially after the PBS adaptation - it took such liberties with Dickens story.  It was good television, I thought, but I was uncomfortable with the changes.  How can they  do that?  With Dickens?

Jude, If you aren't happy with the NY Times review of The Gathering in the heading, I would put another that you prefer in its place.
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on April 18, 2012, 09:30:37 AM
Just finished RUN by Ann Padgett - I think it would make a good discussion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/books/20masl.html
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Post by: JoanP on April 18, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
Ella - I LOVE Ann Patchett.  Thank you so much for the recommendation - and the review!  Will put it in the header this very minute!
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Post by: marjifay on April 23, 2012, 03:40:12 PM
I nominate Jose Saramago's novel; THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST.

Per the book description:  A wry, fictional account of the life of Christ by Nobel laureate José Saramago.  A brilliant skeptic, José Saramago envisions the life of Jesus Christ and the story of his Passion as things of this earth: His idea of the Holy Family reflects the real complexities of any family, and—as only Saramago can—The result is a deft psychological portrait that moves between poetry and irony, spirituality and irreverence of a savior who is at once the Son of God and a young man. In this provocative, tender novel, the subject of wide critical discussion and wonder, Saramago questions the meaning of God, the foundations of the Church, and human existence itself.

I am reading it, and finding it a most interesting, sometimes poetical and moving story.

Marj

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Post by: JoanP on April 23, 2012, 05:06:55 PM
Marjifay, not long ago we read Saramago's The Elephant's Journey  here.  I think the same descriptiion was applied to that one too - "magical"  and  "moving."   Can you tell us when it was translated in the US?  I'll go look for a review and put it up in the heading on the slate of nominations...
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Post by: JoanP on April 23, 2012, 05:26:48 PM
Here's another new book by an author familiar to all of us - Anne Tyler's  Beginner's Goodbye   Has anyone read it?  I'd love to hear what you thought of it.  I've never read an Anne Tyler book I didn't love - or at least, like. Here's a write-up that I came across. recently...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03/anne-tyler-new-book_n_1399288.html
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Post by: marjifay on April 23, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
In answer to your question, JoanP, Jose Saramago's novel THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST was published in the U.S. in 1994 by Harcourt Brace & Co. 

This was the first book I've read by Saramago.  I see the group read his The Elephant's Journey in December, 2011.  Sounds quite a bit different from the book I nominated.

Marj
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Post by: JoanP on April 24, 2012, 10:35:43 AM
Marjifay -Thanks for the publishing date - I know JS was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1998 - not too long after  The Gospel According to Jesus Chirst was published.

 The Nobel committee praised his "parables sustained by imagination, compassion and irony", and his "modern skepticism" about official truths."  How does this fit with the book you are reading?  Had he abandonned capitalizing proper nouns yet?

Elephant's Journey wasn't published until 2008. 

I came in this morning to remove Great Expectations from the slate above, since we have already decided to discuss it...it finished only a few votes short of Bleak House the last time we voted.  Tenatatively we'll discuss it in July.
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Post by: marjifay on April 24, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
Re Jose Saramago's novel, THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST, JoanP wrote, " The Nobel committee praised his "parables sustained by imagination, compassion and irony", and his "modern skepticism" about official truths."  How does this fit with the book you are reading?  Had he abandonned capitalizing proper nouns yet?"

This sounds like the book.  Not sure what is meant by "official truths."  No, Saramago capitalizes proper nouns, i.e. God, Jesus, Joseph, Mary, et al.  He doesn't put quotation marks around what is being said, tho, so you have to get used to reading it fairly closely to see who is speaking.  But it's not a difficult book.

I was curious about some of the things he says, so I got a copy from my library of Asimov's Guide to the Bible by Isaac Asimov.  It's so interesting I've ordered my own copy.  Asimov describes the secular aspects of the bible.  He attempts to illuminate events of the Old and New Testaments by telling the actual historical, geographical and biographical aspects of it. Lots of maps.  Very interesting.

Marj
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Post by: kidsal on April 27, 2012, 03:48:05 AM
Am reading Viper's Tangle by Francois Mauriac.  This book was written in 1932.  Mauriac was later awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature.  A review of the book on Amazon: The protagonist of the story, a miserly old man close to death, tells of his bitterness towards his family and the world with great psychological acumen. He explains to the reader exactly how his hypocritical bourgeouis family has led him to go to great lengths in plotting to disinherit them. He despises his wife's Catholicism, and he offers an incredibly disturbing because realistic portrait of her narrow-mindedness, her failures of charity, even as he freely confesses his own wretched flaws. What is extraordinary about the story is that his turn of heart begins to occur not as the result of an intervention by some saintly Christian character who shows him the "real meaning of faith." Small, chance discoveries occur that allow the protagonist to see his wife in a new light and allow him to realize that though she and her faith were indeed imperfect, like himself, she too hid complexities and anxieties within her. The religion that he held in contempt because it seemed so false and shallow begins to seem genuine as he gains a better picture of the role it played in her inner life, that he was too self-absorbed to see in the years she was alive. I appreciate this book for its honest portrayal of imperfectly led Christian lives, and the (not-sermonizing) message that the individual members of the church can be both saint and sinner. To acknowledge this, even to be laid psychologically bare, with all one's faults, before a non-believer, does not discredit Christ but is evidence of his mercy.  My review may make this book sound explicitly theological, but Mauriac does not beat the reader over the head with theology. The real strength of this book is its exquisite prose and psychological realism.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on April 27, 2012, 05:45:22 PM
Kidsal, I studied this book for French A-level ('Le Noeud de Viperes') and have never forgotten it.  I can even remember some of the quotes I had to learn for the essays!  ('Isa, vois comment je souffrais' - or something like that - comes to mind.)  I can't remember all of the story now - probably should re-read it - but I do remember how powerful it seemed at the time.

The other ones we did were Camus - 'La Peste', and Balzac - 'Pere Goriot'.  There was also a Moliere play that I didn't like and whose name I have therefore obliterated from my memory.  I absolutely adored reading in French and really wish I had gone on to do languages instead of copping out and taking Eng Lit just because I was good at it - I didn't enjoy it half as much as I think I would have enjoyed French and Latin.

Rosemary
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Post by: JoanP on April 27, 2012, 06:16:45 PM
kidsal - what a good idea!  We haven't read French auteurs since - Stendhal's le Rouge et le Noir - and that was a looong time ago.  Can you remember any others?

Rosemary, that's another idea - those who can, could read in French!  "Isa, vois comme j'ai été malheureux..."  I'll put it up now - I think we're looking at a May vote...

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Post by: JudeS on April 28, 2012, 12:27:28 AM
RosemaryKay
One of the books you mentioned, The Plague by Camus,
is simply a wonderful book that earned its author a Nobel Prize.
By placing the setting of the Novel in North Africa he fooled the Germans who had conquered France into thinking it was about a Plague of sickness. It really was an allegory about the Nazi Regime.
They allowed it to be published while the war was still on and before they ever found out that Camus was working for the French Underground.
For those of you who haven't read Camus this is a deceptively dark novel that gave hope to people in their days under the Nazi regime.
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Post by: marjifay on April 29, 2012, 04:28:27 PM
JoanP - What happened to the book I nominated by Jose Saramago? THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST.

Marj
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Post by: marjifay on April 30, 2012, 01:14:44 AM
Jude, thanks for your review of Camus' THE PLAGUE.  The only book of his I've read is The Stranger.  I've put The Plague on my TBR list.

BTW, Camus was given the Nobel Prize, as you said.  But the Nobel Prize (unlike the Pulitzer) is not given for a single piece of literature, but for an author's lifetime body of work.  There are a few exceptions, i.e. Hemingway got one for The Old Man and The Sea. 

Marj
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Post by: PatH on April 30, 2012, 09:25:25 AM
JoanP - What happened to the book I nominated by Jose Saramago? THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS CHRIST.

Marj
It seems to be in the heading, linked to a review.
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Post by: Jonathan on May 03, 2012, 02:59:26 PM
Could I nominate: IN MY FATHER'S HOUSE, by Miranda Seymour. English country house living and obsession. An unenviable way of life.
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Post by: JoanP on May 04, 2012, 09:07:01 AM
Jonathan - this sounds fascinating - here's a link from The Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007/feb/11/biography.features

I'm going to check around for its availability in the US  - in local libraries before adding it to the mix.  Will be right back!
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Post by: JoanP on May 04, 2012, 09:19:10 AM
Yes, my local library carries In My Father's House.  Actually there are several books with this same title.  You have to watch for the aurhor name, Seymour. .  Amazon.com says they have three copies left.  Barnes & Noble has it - the B&N Market Place has copies for 1.99...Also available for their Nook.   Thanks for the recommendation, Jonathan~

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Post by: JoanP on May 14, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
At the end of the day, we'll close the nominations - and bright and early tomorrow morning you may come in here and vote for your favorite for a June discussion.  Thank you all for your input...
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Post by: JoanP on May 14, 2012, 03:51:23 PM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)
 

July/August Book Club Online - Great Expectations (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=137.0)

September Book Club Online (Proposed) - The Presidents Club (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=136.0)
 

Nominations for Fall Group Discussion:   

Sky of Red Poppies (http://www.sandiego.gov/public-library/news-events/onebook/skyabout.shtml) by Zohreh Ghahremani  

 More Than You Know (http://www.bethgutcheon.com/books/more-than-you-know/) by Beth Gutcheon

 Travels with Herodotus (http://www.amazon.com/Travels-Herodotus-Ryszard-Kapuscinski/dp/1400043387/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0) by Ryszard Kapuscinski  

 The Snow Child (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316175676/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00) by Eowyn Ivey

Eternal on the Water (http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Water-Joseph-Monninger/dp/B0040RMF7A/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344265177&sr=1-1&keywords=eternal+on+the+water) by Joseph Monninger

The Technologists (http://www.matthewpearl.com/tech/#home) by Matthew Pearl


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)



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Post by: ginny on May 15, 2012, 08:16:56 AM
Jonathan how is the  Seymour book different from Thrumpton Hall by the same author?

This one was printed in the UK, and won the PEN/ Ackerley prize for Memoir. Page after page of rave reviews including the NY Times.  

I bought it at B&N before I saw this and am wondering if it's the same book?

How does it compare to the Waugh we read?
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Post by: Babi on May 15, 2012, 08:21:27 AM
 I have read "Run" and thought it a very good book.  Sometimes makes you feel like you are
soaring with the runner.  It is easy and quick to read, so it might not take very long to discuss
it.
  The Saramago book sounds intriguing.  I wonder how often I would be mentally arguing with
the author?  :)  And I wonder how many libraries around here would have it.  Well, I could find
out quickly enough.
 
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Post by: JoanP on May 15, 2012, 08:29:13 AM
Let us know when you find out, Babi.  I'm remembering his "Elephant's Journey."  Marjifay says this title is nothing like that - but the man has a fascinating mind!  OK, the voting is officially open... Link in the heading -  Read the title links before going into the voting booth!
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Post by: Jonathan on May 15, 2012, 03:47:11 PM
It must be the same book, Ginny. Thrumpton Hall is certainly the house of In My Father's House. How does it compare with Brideshead? Favorably.

What a difficult choice. They all look so interesting.
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Post by: Babi on May 16, 2012, 08:29:38 AM
 Hmm.  Won't it be difficult discussing the Saramago without touching on some sensitive issues?
Discussing religious views can be a minefield,  even among tactful people like those in SeniorLearn.
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Post by: JoanP on May 16, 2012, 10:44:12 AM
I think we got through the same situation with Elephant's Journey, Babi.  I think our readers have evolved.  If you read the description of the book - the title is a link, you will see that the book is not what you'd expect from the title, not about a religious figure, but a very human Jesus. 
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Post by: Babi on May 17, 2012, 08:02:06 AM
 Oh, yes, I read the summary on the book.  I'm sure I'd find it most interesting.  It's simply that
many people would be  uncomfortable with a "very human"  Jesus.  It's easy to forget that he
got tired, thirsty, sore-footed and sometimes highly annoyed with his disciples. 
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Post by: marcie on May 17, 2012, 10:31:39 AM
Babi, yes it does seem to be a controversial book. It's best that we all know that before we vote, rather than drop out of the discussion when we discover the fictional "alternate history" of Jesus. I, too, am interested in reading it.

From wikipedia:

The Gospel According to Jesus Christ (original title: O Evangelho Segundo Jesus Cristo) is a novel by the Portuguese author José Saramago. A fictional re-telling of Jesus Christ's life, it depicts him as a flawed, humanised character with passions and doubts. The novel garnered controversy with some critics,[1] especially among the Roman Catholic church, accusing Saramago of possessing a "substantially anti-religious vision".[2] It was also praised by other critics as a "deeply philosophical, provocative and compelling work".[3]
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Post by: JoanP on May 17, 2012, 03:45:04 PM
Hmm...let's say if any of you voted for the Saramago book without reading the review, you have the option to change your vote.  Don't want unhappy "winners" if that is the selected titles...

Email me with the title you would prefer to read...jonkie@verizon.net
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Post by: JoanP on May 22, 2012, 09:36:45 AM
A little reminder if you haven't cast your vote yet - the polls will close at the end of the day, today.

I can tell you this - as of now, we have quite a tie and more than likely will have to go to a run-off vote beginning tomorrow - unless of course we have so many votes today that will break the tie! :D
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Post by: JoanP on May 23, 2012, 12:44:03 PM
A 4-WAY TIE
 for  June Bookclub Online Discussion-

We've included TWO QUESTIONS  THIS TIME:
1. Your first choice
2.  How many of the four would you discuss if selected.

************************************************************

 
The Gospel According to Jesus Christ (https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/jose-saramago/the-gospel-according-to-jesus-christ/)  by Jose Saramago
A wry, fictional account of the life of Christ by Nobel laureate Saramago. A brilliant skeptic, Saramago envisions the life of Christ as things of this earth: The Holy Family reflects the real complexities of any family. A deft psychological portrait that moves between poetry and irony, spirituality and irreverence of a savior who is at once the Son of God and a young man. In this provocative, tender novel, Saramago questions the meaning of God, the foundations of the Church, and human existence itself.

From SeniorLearners: "I am finding it a most interesting, sometimes poetical and moving story."
*"A fictional re-telling of Jesus Christ's life, it depicts him as a flawed, humanized character with passions and doubts. The novel garnered controversy with some critics, especially among the Roman Catholic church, accusing Saramago of possessing a "substantially anti-religious vision." It was also praised by other critics as a "deeply philosophical, provocative and compelling work." Wikipedia



Peony in Love (http://contemporarylit.about.com/od/historicalfictionreviews/fr/peonyInLove.htm)  by Lisa See
See’s haunting new novel, based on a true story and actual historical events, takes readers to seventeenth-century China, after the Manchus seize power. Peony is the cloistered daughter of a wealthy family, betrothed to a suitor she has never met. While at an opera, she sees an elegant, handsome man and is overcome with emotion.

So begins Peony’s journey of love and destiny, desire and sorrow. It’s about universal themes: the bonds of female friendship, the power of words, the desire all women have to be heard, and emotions that are so strong that they transcend time, place, and perhaps even death.

From a SeniorLearner who highly recommends it: "Peony dies early in the book. And then one is dealing with her afterlife plus all the well known women writers. Some alive and some not!"



Run (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/books/20masl.html)  by Ann Patchett
Two families come together in a traffic accident. A woman has thrown herself under a car to protect a stranger. It becomes clear that the families-a poor, single black mother with her 11-year-old daughter and a white, Irish Catholic, former Boston mayor with a biological son and two adopted black college-aged sons whose much-loved wife died over 20 years ago -have a connection. This is not a story about race but about family and the depths of parents' love of their children, whether biological, adopted, or given away, and of each other. Patchett beautifully weaves together disparate lives to show how intimately humans can connect.

From SeniorLearners: "Sometimes makes you feel like you are soaring with the runner." "It would make for a good discussion." See http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/books/20masl.html?_r=1





The Viper's Tangle (http://www.enotes.com/vipers-tangle-salem/vipers-tangle-9230000334)  by François Mauriac
Mauriac, France's Nobel laureate, delivers a scathing indictment of how money can shatter the bonds of familial devotion. A topic as relevant today as it was in 1932. Monsieur Louis, a wealthy aging lawyer, filled with bitterness, has spread his misery to his entire estranged family. He writes a letter to be left to his wife, to explain his hatred for her and their children. It becomes a diary of his dying days, a record of his life.

He despises his wife's Catholicism, her narrow-mindedness, her failures of charity, even as he confesses his own flaws. The religion that he held in contempt because it seemed so false and shallow begins to seem genuine as he gains a better picture of the role it played in his wife' inner life. It becomes a confession of his spiritual journey, exploring the corruption caused by pride and hatred, but then examines the divine grace that remains available to each of us.

From a SeniorLearner: "It might sound explicitly theological, but Mauriac doesn't beat the reader over the head with theology. Its strength is exquisite prose and psychological realism.


* VOTE HERE FOR RUN-OFF by 5/29!! (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/DGZRHRL)





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Post by: Babi on May 24, 2012, 08:16:00 AM
 Cast my votes.
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Post by: JoanP on May 29, 2012, 07:19:49 AM

Well, we appear to have a winner for the June Book Club Online discussion - very close between the top two.  Polls will be open for the rest of the day - results may change in the next few hours.  If you haven't voted, but have a preference, your vote will make a difference.

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Post by: Babi on May 29, 2012, 08:58:37 AM
 You're good at motivating voters, JOANP.  Have you had experience in local politics?   :)
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Post by: JoanP on May 30, 2012, 08:43:56 AM
 :D
We have a winner, Babi - the Book Club Online selectiion for June, beginning on June 15  will be Ann Patchett's Run.  Have you read  Bel Canto?
It was an amazing book - I believe it won the PEN/Faulkner award.  I remember going to a reading at the Folger Library with Maryal and her daughter right after she won.  It will be interesting to see how she followed that with RUN.

More on this selection to come...
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Post by: Babi on May 30, 2012, 09:10:27 AM
 I've read both Bel Canto and Run, JOAN.  I was unhappy with the tragic ending of
"Bel Canto", but "Run" is all good.  There are places where the writing is lyric and
sweeps you into the scene.  Good choice, guys.
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Post by: ALF43 on May 30, 2012, 09:28:05 AM
Can I play too?
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Post by: ginny on May 30, 2012, 10:25:20 AM
Andrea!! Welcome back, we have MISSED you!!

I was just thinking about you!!
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Post by: marcie on May 30, 2012, 02:31:01 PM
Andy, it's great to see you!! I hope you'll be participating in RUN. I haven't read it but plan to do so for the discussion in mid June. Babi, I'm glad to hear  your recommendation. Thanks.
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Post by: ANNIE on May 30, 2012, 02:47:13 PM
Welcome, welcome back, Andrea!   We have missed your pithy comments in the book discussions and elsewhere! ;)

I haven't read RUN so will try for it at my library.
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Post by: salan on May 30, 2012, 04:02:48 PM
My ftf book club did Run a couple of years ago.  It was good;  but I probably won't be joining this discussion.  However, I will probably peek in every now and then and see what you think.
Sally
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Post by: JoanK on May 30, 2012, 06:55:27 PM
ALF! Welcome!
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Post by: ALF43 on May 30, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
Thank you ladies.  I hope you have all been well.  Off to the library again tomorrow to see if I can get RUN.  I just checked out 3 books this evening.
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Post by: JoanP on June 02, 2012, 10:35:53 PM
Andy, Babi - we've opened the new Run discussion - Here: http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=136.0

Run over and sign in!
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Post by: retired on July 11, 2012, 03:51:55 PM
I recommend the novel  "Sky of Red Poppies" by author
Zohreh Ghahremani .  An Iranian- American author .
I just completed reading.
Beautifully written . Iranian life during the rule of the
Shah in the 1960's .  Family life , politics and friendships .
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Post by: JoanP on July 12, 2012, 11:25:36 AM
Retired - Thank you for the nomination.  We have just begun to consider suggestions for fall group discussions.  Your nomination will be first on the list for consideration.  Will try to get up a list with links in the heading this afternoon.
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Post by: ANNIE on July 17, 2012, 12:12:58 PM
I just finished "More Than You Know" by Beth Gutcheon and really enjoyed it.  It was the f2f book for our condo complex book club.  Light read but very interesting.

Also read, "Death Echo" by Elizabeth Lowell, a novel of suspense.  Am now reading "The Storm" by Clive Cussler, a Father's Day gift to my husband from our daughter.  Again, a light read. Clive Cussler is like reading comic books without pictures. ::) ::)
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Post by: JoanP on July 17, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
I added a link to a review of Sky of Red Poppies to the heading- Here's a bit about the book...

 •Sky of Red Poppies by Zohreh Ghahremani. This poetic novel begins with a casual friendship between two schoolgirls coming of age in the politically divided 1960’s Iran. Roya, the daughter of a prominent family, is envious of the fierce independence of her religious classmate Shireen. But Shireen has secrets of her own. Together, Roya and Shireen contend with becoming the women they want to be, and in doing so, make decisions that will cause their tragic undoing. Set against the backdrop of a nation forced to mute its profound identity, Sky of Red Poppies is a novel about culture, politics and the redeeming power of friendships
 

Annie, these sound like great summer reading - light, not too demanding.  "like comic books, without pictures..."   Do you think there's enough there for the October Book Club Online discussion?
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Post by: Babi on July 18, 2012, 08:09:04 AM
What an excellent description, ANNIE. A comic book without pictures. That describes so
well my dissatisfaction with the one, and only, Clive Cussler book I ever read.
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Post by: ANNIE on July 19, 2012, 09:34:04 AM
Babi,
That was my description of Clive Cussler when I read the first one, 25 years ago. But I have to tell you that my mom gave it to my husband with the words, "I think you might like to read this!" And  thanks to her, the man started reading fiction for the first time in his engineering life.  And Clive Cussler did improve over the years and I did come to like Dirk Pitt! The next fictional book that Ralph read was "Pillars of the Earth" and he really liked that one.  Over the years our children have given books to Ralph by Ken Follett, Clive Cussler,Ruth Rendell, Agatha Christie, the Morse mysteries, Edward Rutherford, Kathy Reisch, Stephen Coonts, Thomas Wolfe,  Nelson DeMille, Tom Clancy, Sean Flynn, Robert Ludlum and the Jason Bourne titles plus many, many others.  I can never thank my mom enough for offering Clive Cussler with good old Dirk Pitt, to a man who used to pooh pooh fiction! With Cussler and Pitt one must really suspend all disbelief!  Whew!  This last one, a Father's Day gift from our daughter, is way out there on the edge but fun to read!

JoanP,
The one book that I have read over the last four weeks that I might suggest would be "More Then You Know" by Beth Gutcheon. Light reading, only a two weeker.  What was the title of the one that I thought would make a gook discussion and that we voted on??  And then there's the "The Book of Ruth" by Jane Hamilton.  Beautifully written but way too graphic and violent for a comfortable discussion.  And a two weeker also.   
  
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Post by: Babi on July 20, 2012, 07:56:12 AM
 Always glad to give credit where credit is due, ANNIE.  Clive has proven his worth!  ;)
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Post by: JoanP on July 30, 2012, 08:15:29 PM
Annie, the title, More Than You Know, has been entered into the heading...with a link to a description of the book.  You'll have to remind us of another title you suggested to us in the past...
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on July 31, 2012, 12:07:45 AM
I have two books I would like to recommend that we consider - both enchanted me with lots to talk about in either book...

Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski -
http://www.amazon.com/Travels-Herodotus-Ryszard-Kapuscinski/dp/1400043387/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0

Good Reads says - http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/56996-travels-with-herodotus

The Snow Child that I recently read by Eowyn Ivey
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316175676/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00

Her blog talks about a group in North Carolina completing a discussion of the book
http://lettersfromalaska.wordpress.com/
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Post by: marcie on July 31, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Barbara, both of those books seem very interesting. Thanks for recommending them.
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Post by: JoanP on July 31, 2012, 09:05:09 AM
Oh my goodness, two very different but fascinating books to add to the list for consideration.  Thank you so much, Barbara.  I'm going to look for a link to another review, a bit different from the publisher's blurb in the Amazon site, if that's okay with you...
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on July 31, 2012, 11:36:44 AM
Yes, please - I usually try to give the Amazon link to support anyone thinking of purchasing the book.
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Post by: ANNIE on August 01, 2012, 09:03:51 AM
Well, I had to look in Archives for what I suggested in March or April! :D :D
It was "Peony In Love" by Lisa See.

Just got in from Ithaca, NY and am trying to get ready to attend an offering by the Columbus Ballet Met called "Broadway Lights" on Friday night.
Must do the laundry!  8)
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Post by: marcie on August 05, 2012, 12:19:26 PM
I'd like to suggest discussing another book by Charles Dickens. We're doing well on Great Expectations and had a very good discussion of Bleak House.
I'll suggest HARD TIMES, his shortest novel, or I'd be willing to talk about any other of his works.
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Post by: pedln on August 06, 2012, 10:52:33 AM
Some interesting titles are shown above.  I’m especially interested in Sky of Red Poppies, written by a dentist?  It certainly deserves a place on the TBR list.

I’d like to suggest two, one read, the other not yet.

Eternal on the Water, by Joseph Monninger, is a love story, is sad at times, but not depressing.  I think it’s an environmental story also, but what I liked best was the way the characters reached out and embraced others. That makes for a rich life.  Mary and Cobb, both teachers, meet while kayaking, he while following a path set by Thoreau, she on her way to teach the Chungamunga girls about crows. “Everyone loves Mary Fury,” Cobb is told.  It’s true.  But she has a secret that she cannot yet tell him.

Eternal on the Water (http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Water-Joseph-Monninger/dp/B0040RMF7A/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344265177&sr=1-1&keywords=eternal+on+the+water)

I haven’t read Matthew Pearl’s The Technologists, but have been a fan of his earlier books and want to read this historical thriller about the early days (1868) of MIT. Technology was not then held in high esteem, and no one would consider asking the upstart school to help solve the problem of sabotage in Boston Harbor. As in his other novels, Pearl blends fictional and historical characters, such as Ellen Swallow, a freshman here, but later the first woman to receive a degree in chemistry.

The Technologists (http://www.amazon.com/The-Technologists-Novel-Matthew-Pearl/product-reviews/1400066573/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R3FK9PA44P05BD)
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Post by: JoanP on August 06, 2012, 07:05:48 PM
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OCTOBER BOOKCLUB ONLINE DISCUSSION:

The Tempest, a comedy (http://www.william-shakespeare.info/shakespeare-play-the-tempest.htm)
By William Shakespeare


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  Sky of Red Poppies (http://www.sandiego.gov/public-library/news-events/onebook/skyabout.shtml) by Zohreh Ghahremani  

 More Than You Know (http://www.bethgutcheon.com/books/more-than-you-know/) by Beth Gutcheon

 Travels with Herodotus (http://www.amazon.com/Travels-Herodotus-Ryszard-Kapuscinski/dp/1400043387/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0) by Ryszard Kapuscinski  

 The Snow Child (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316175676/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00) by Eowyn Ivey

Eternal on the Water (http://www.amazon.com/Eternal-Water-Joseph-Monninger/dp/B0040RMF7A/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344265177&sr=1-1&keywords=eternal+on+the+water) by Joseph Monninger

The Technologists (http://www.matthewpearl.com/tech/#home) by Matthew Pearl

FOUNDING RIVALS; MADISON VS. MONROE (http://www.booktv.org/Program/13041/Founding+Rivals+Madison+vs+Monroe+The+Bill+of+Rights+and+the+Election+That+Saved+a+Nation.aspx) by Chris DeRose

The Pickwick Papers (http://www.dickenslit.com/Pickwick_Papers/) by Charles Dickens

THE SWERVE; HOW THE WORLD BECAME MODERN (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/28/books/the-swerve-how-the-world-became-modern-by-stephen-greenblatt-review.html) by Stephan Greenblatt

FROM ETERNITY TO HERE; THE QUEST FOR THE ULTIMATE THEORY OF TIME (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/05/AR2010020501326.html)

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Post by: PatH on August 06, 2012, 07:37:24 PM
The other Matthew Pearl books we read made for good discussions.
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Post by: JoanP on August 06, 2012, 07:47:52 PM
Marcie, you're right, our discussions of Charles Dickens' novels have been rewarding.  I have to say I had forgotten the power of his writing...so many films and tv productions can impress with the plot, but the written word  is what Dickens is all about...

Are you sure you want to nominate Hard Times?  Would it make a difference that we discussed this when we were SeniorLearn?...This was quite a while ago.  I went to the Archives to see just how long ago it actually was.   Would you believe it was 1998!?   - This was the first year of our book discussions...Hard Times - SeniorNet discussion - 1998. (http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/archives/fiction/HardTimes.htm)
It was a stroll down Memory Lane -
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Post by: marcie on August 07, 2012, 12:24:35 AM
I hadn't checked the archives, Joan, and had forgotten that some people discussed Hard Times. I'm fine talking about ANY of Dickens books. If anyone else is interested in another of his books, please feel free to suggest it.
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Post by: Frybabe on August 07, 2012, 08:02:34 AM
I have not read Hard Times, but if anyone wants to read another Dickens other than that, I'd like to read PickWick Papers which was nominated previously. Either one is okay with me. While Hard Times considers some important social issues, I like the idea of reading what sounds like a bunch of humorous (?) vignettes and caricatures in Pickwick Papers.
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Post by: Babi on August 07, 2012, 08:11:54 AM
 "The Pickwick Papers"  is much less serious than most of Dickens' books.  As I recall, there were
humorous bits that I didn't quite 'get', but talking it over here with some of these fine, insightful
readers would make it even more enjoyable.
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Post by: marjifay on August 08, 2012, 09:40:38 AM
I have a book to suggest:  FOUNDING RIVALS; MADISON VS. MONROE; THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE ELECTION THAT SAVED A NATION by Chris DeRose.  It was recommended in another group and sounded interesting.

An Amazon reader says "Founding Rivals tells the previously unreported story of Madison and Monroe's involvement in the Revolutionary War and the earliest days of our republic, the tough financial times brought on by war and rebuilding, a Congress in complete disarray (sound familiar?), and an election that would determine if the Constitution would be scrapped altogether and if the addition of a Bill of Rights would happen. The race bears many of the hallmarks of today's political scene, complete with mud-slinging, intense partisanship and a result achieved by the narrowest of margins."

Marj
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Post by: marcie on August 08, 2012, 11:09:38 AM
Marjifay, that sounds like an interesting book. I looked up Chris DeRose and the first link I clicked was his twitter account at http://twitter.com/chrisderose/. At the top of the page it says:
 Author of Founding Rivals: Madison vs. Monroe, the Bill of Rights, and the Election That Saved a Nation. Political strategist, relapsed attorney, Christian.

On other sites that share his bio information the term "Christian" is left out. I'm wondering if his religious affiliation -- or political affiliation --  has had any affect on his book.

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Post by: JoanK on August 08, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
"relapsed attorney, Christian"

Could they mean "attorney, relapsed Christian"? Or is this a comment on his feelings about the law?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 08, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
His facebook page says nothing about his religion but says he practices law and lives in Phoenix Arizona and he was Director of Election Day Operations at Virginia Victory / Virginia, Republican Party - but then do we only read authors that share our individual viewpoint - it does sound like a book that Ella may want to use in the history discussions.
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Post by: ANNIE on August 09, 2012, 08:56:35 AM
Hey, JoanK,
Does relapsed mean lapsed twice?? ::

I think that Ella actually gave me her copy of this book but I looked for it just now and couldn't find it. 
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Post by: JoanP on August 10, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
Pickwick Papers, it is.  This was Dickens'  first novel - much lighter, more humorous than those that followed.  We will soon see if our readers are up for a third Dickens to round out this year of celebrating his 200th birthday!  Amazing - 200 years and none of his works have ever gone out of print!

Marjifay
, I've also entered Founding Rivals for consideration in October.  However, the September discussion is The Presidents Club - our readers may be looking for fiction by then.    But we'll see what Ella and Harold may think of leading this discussion some time in the future.  Annie, do you remember what Ella said of this book when she gave it to you?

I have one more suggestion to add to the list before we will have to vote to pare down the list.  Do you have anything else to add to make the slate an even 10?

Will be right back!
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Post by: JoanP on August 10, 2012, 01:45:21 PM
Has anyone here heard of - or read   Adriana Trigiani's The Shoemaker's Wife?  I came across it on one of the lists posted in the Library last week - I think it was one maryz put up.  It sounded intriguing, the reviews were all great.  In another discussion Fry pointed out that the paperback will be coming out next week - which surprised me because the book just came out in April.  Here's a link to the reviews -  http://www.amazon.com/The-Shoemakers-Wife-ebook/dp/B006ICVOUO/ref=tmm_kin_title_0

Would like to hear from someone who has read the book before nominating it...

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Post by: marjifay on August 10, 2012, 05:30:44 PM
Here's a couple more suggestions, both nonfiction:

FROM ETERNITY TO HERE; THE QUEST FOR THE ULTIMATE THEORY OF TIME by Sean M. Carroll

Per book description:  "Twenty years ago, Stephen Hawking tried to explain time by understanding the Big Bang. Now, Sean Carroll says we need to be more ambitious. One of the leading theoretical physicists of his generation, Carroll delivers a dazzling and paradigm-shifting theory of time's arrow that embraces subjects from entropy to quantum mechanics to time travel to information theory and the meaning of life.

From Eternity to Here is no less than the next step toward understanding how we came to exist, and a fantastically approachable read that will appeal to a broad audience of armchair physicists, and anyone who ponders the nature of our world."  (438 pp, 2010)


THE SWERVE; HOW THE WORLD BECAME MODERN by Stephan Greenblatt

Per book description:  "One of the world's most celebrated scholars, Stephen Greenblatt has crafted both an innovative work of history and a thrilling story of discovery, in which one manuscript, plucked from a thousand years of neglect, changed the course of human thought and made possible the world as we know it.

Nearly six hundred years ago, a short, genial, cannily alert man in his late thirties took a very old manuscript off a library shelf, saw with excitement what he had discovered, and ordered that it be copied. That book was the last surviving manuscript of an ancient Roman philosophical epic, On the Nature of Things, by Lucretius—a beautiful poem of the most dangerous ideas: that the universe functioned without the aid of gods, that religious fear was damaging to human life, and that matter was made up of very small particles in eternal motion, colliding and swerving in new directions.

The copying and translation of this ancient book-the greatest discovery of the greatest book-hunter of his age-fueled the Renaissance, inspiring artists such as Botticelli and thinkers such as Giordano Bruno; shaped the thought of Galileo and Freud, Darwin and Einstein; and had a revolutionary influence on writers such as Montaigne and Shakespeare and even Thomas Jefferson. 16 pages of color illustrations." (356 pp, 2011)

(If that's too many, just forget it and I'll suggest them sometime in the future.)

Marj

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Post by: Babi on August 11, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
 Both books sound great, MARJ.  I wonder if I still have the brain power to grasp and learn.  Things don't stick in my memory the way they once did. ??? :-[
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Post by: JoanP on August 11, 2012, 09:34:44 AM
Marjifay, I'm going to enter those two titles in the vote for October discussion, but as I said about the Founding Rivals, the October discussion will follow The Presidents Club, and the readers may be interested in alternating that non-Fiction with fiction. I could be wrong though.  If your suggestions are passed over for October, you may wish to resubmit them for a future discussion.
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Post by: marjifay on August 11, 2012, 09:45:14 AM
You wouldn't have any trouble reading them, Babi.    The book, From Eternity to Here is not a quick read, tho.'  You pretty much have to stop and think about it as you gp along. But I'm reading it now and finding a lot of things I've never thought about--very interesting.

Marj
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Post by: marcie on August 11, 2012, 01:38:40 PM
Both books sound very interesting, Marj. I've requested them from my library.
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Post by: JoanK on August 11, 2012, 02:00:47 PM
I read "The Swerve" and really liked it. But I'm into books like that.
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Post by: ANNIE on August 11, 2012, 10:45:47 PM
No, JoanP, I don't remember what Ella said about the fathers but I will give her a call tomorrow.

A good read was "Run" by ?????.  Back to the games.  We have watched many contests  and have enjoyed the whole two weeks!
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Post by: Babi on August 12, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
I rather think, from what has been posted, that "From Eternity to Here" goes into some
ideas that have risen in my own mind from scientific findings of recent decades, MARJ. I
believe I would find it very interesting. I've checked, and my library doesn't have it.
I'll widen my search a bit. My fear was not that I wouldn't find it interesting, but that
what I could learn from it would not stick as thoroughly as it once would.
  I have arrived at that somewhat embarassing age where I forget things all too easily.
Like, between one room and the next! [What did I come in here for? Uh, hmm,..oh, yeah.]

  Ah, something I remember!  "Run", by Ann Patchett, ANNIE.
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Post by: ANNIE on August 12, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
Thanks, Babi, for the author's name.  Yes, we do forget the darndest things. Sometimes,  I look at where I am, which room, and I look for what else needs doing.  Eventually I remember my initial foray intentions.
 
I talked to my 95 year old Aunt last night when she called to tell me that she has been offered an apartment in a home for the elderly, run by the Little Sisters of the Poor,  where she volunteers weekly doing repairs of the clothing that the nuns and patients wear. She has been living alone since my uncle died in 1995.  And she still drives and goes to the YMCA to lap swim 3 or 4 times a week.
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Post by: JoanP on August 13, 2012, 05:17:37 PM
I've just added one more entry suggested in the Library for consideration in October -  Shakespeare's "The Tempest"  (http://www.william-shakespeare.info/shakespeare-play-the-tempest.htm) - a comedy of friendship , repentance and forgiveness.  Will add it to the heading.  We'll start with a preliminary vote on Wednesday or Thursday.

Did you see the opening or closing ceremonies for the Olympics?  At both of them, there was a reading from the Tempest - Kenneth Branagh at the opening, and Timothy Spall, dressed as Winston Churchill...
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Post by: Dana on August 14, 2012, 12:02:06 PM
Hi, I will be travelling and deliberately computer- etc-less, so put me down as a vote for The Tempest!
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Post by: ANNIE on August 14, 2012, 01:06:17 PM
JoanP,
I talked to Ella on Sunday and she doesn't think that she liked "Founding Fathers" because we had already read and discussed "John Adams" by David McCullough back in 2002 and it pretty well filled us in on the founding fathers.
That's her story and she's stickin' to it! ;D ;D
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Post by: JoanP on August 14, 2012, 01:49:07 PM
Since that would be Ella's to lead, perhaps we'd better take it off the list - we've got a pretty full slate as it is.  Thanks for talking to her about it,
Annie.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 14, 2012, 02:40:33 PM
All the suggestions are winners but to me there are only two I would love to do - The Tempest and Pickwick Papers - with the holidays on top of us in November and we like to do a short December what a perfect time for Pickwick Papers even if we have another current bit of fiction going at the same time - but then can we do Tempest in a Month? Well that is where I am coming from and we have not even had a vote yet.  ;) :o ::) :-*
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Post by: JoanP on August 14, 2012, 08:39:08 PM
Okay Barbara - that problem is solved - you can vote now - see the link to the Survey VOTE in the heading at the top of this page!
Post here if you have any questions or difficulty voting, okay?
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Post by: Babi on August 15, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
 Done!

  Hmmm... I don't think Pickwick Papers is a short holiday read,   The "Tempest"
is only a fraction of the length of the Dickens, at least. It might be better to save
Pickwick for after Christmas, when we have a slow,cold Jan.-Feb ahead of us. We can joint
the Club for their holidays, as a kind of extension of the holidays.
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Post by: JoanK on August 15, 2012, 03:13:17 PM
Having trouble making up my mind. I liked "The Swerve", but it's very much m7y kind of book: I don't know how mabny others would like it.

I'm reading "Travels with Horodedus" and absolutely loving it. Thanks to whoever recommended it It makes me see travelling and geography in a whole different way. But I don't know if we could get a quorum.

So, I'm tempted by the Tempest. Hmmmm.

And by Founding Rivals. I'm fascinated by that period. So much of the foundation of our country was laid then.

Too much good stuff, as the ad says.
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Post by: Babi on August 16, 2012, 08:25:52 AM
 I'd like to read "Travels with Herodotus", but my library doesn't have it and I'm avoiding adding
anything to my 'permanent' bookshelves.  If it does get picked, I'll put in for an inter-library loan.
Meanwhile, I made two other choices that I'm  eager to re-read and discuss.
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Post by: JoanP on August 16, 2012, 09:52:34 AM
There are some wonderful titles to chose from, Babi - I agree.  JoanK, you may have noticed since you posted, that Founding Rivals has been removed from the mix.
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Post by: pedln on August 16, 2012, 09:53:51 AM
So many books up there (above) to choose from.  I've just been looking at reviews and comments about Travels with Herodotus, JoanK, and it comes so well-recommended from so many.  This Polish author has lived through so much, and I see he has written several other books.  ( I just posted a letter in Library, from a 14-yr-old Polish girl -- her capability in English just blows me away.)
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Post by: ANNIE on August 18, 2012, 12:50:17 PM
Babi,

I looked at my library online and it said Herodotus wasn't there!  But, instead of asking for the title,  I put in the author and then they had 5 copies.  I have now reserved it as it really sound enticing.  And wouldn't  it be in non-fiction?   For October, maybe not a possibility, as Ella and Harold will have just led The Presidents' Club in September.  Well, I still want to read it! ;) ;)
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Post by: Frybabe on August 18, 2012, 03:19:11 PM
Bummer! I tried your suggestion to look up the author name instead of the book title,  and it still came up a no go for the Herodotus title. It did, however, come up with two other books the author wrote: Imperium (Russia) and The Shadow of the Sun (Africa after the colonial era).
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Post by: ANNIE on August 18, 2012, 08:33:00 PM
Hey, Frybabe
Did you ask when your library was going to order it?
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Post by: Frybabe on August 18, 2012, 09:29:15 PM
No, Annie, but the library website has where I can request it through an inter-library loan. It appears that the Hershey area library system has two copies. World Cat lists four or five college libraries in Central/Eastern PA. I'll wait to see if it is picked though; there are too many other books in my TBR stack, including The Landmark Herodotus: The Histories edited by Robert B Strassler.
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Post by: Babi on August 19, 2012, 08:35:39 AM
 I also plan to put in an inter-library loan request for the Herodotus if it's chosen.  Having that
kind of access to millions of books  makes me feel so wealthy. :)
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Post by: ANNIE on August 19, 2012, 08:56:47 AM
We are wealthy when it comes to books in the US. Hope you both get a copy if we choose it to read.  You can buy a used copy on Amazon as low as 6 cents but you have to pay $3.99 for shipping.
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Post by: Babi on August 19, 2012, 09:06:13 AM
 I could live with that, ANNIE.   ;D
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Post by: JoanP on August 27, 2012, 09:26:08 PM
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Nominations for November Book Club Online Discussion:
Titles are links to reviews
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VOTE AGAIN Here to Break the TIE! (link to ballot box)! (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JLT36YZ)

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The Pickwick Papers (http://www.dickenslit.com/Pickwick_Papers/) by Charles Dickens

 Travels with Herodotus (http://www.amazon.com/Travels-Herodotus-Ryszard-Kapuscinski/dp/1400043387/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0) by Ryszard Kapuscinski  

FOUNDING RIVALS; MADISON VS. MONROE (http://www.booktv.org/Program/13041/Founding+Rivals+Madison+vs+Monroe+The+Bill+of+Rights+and+the+Election+That+Saved+a+Nation.aspx) by Chris DeRose

 The Hobbit (http://www.sfsite.com/10a/hob18.htm) by J.R.R Tolkien

 The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (http://littleredreviewer.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/the-moon-is-a-harsh-mistress-by-robert-heinlein/) by Robert Heinlein

The Great Gatsby (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/01/AR2007010100958.html) by F. Scott Fitzgerald

Half the Sky (http://www.amazon.com/Half-Sky-Oppression-Opportunity-Worldwide/dp/0307387097/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1349367424&sr=1-1&keywords=half+a+sky) by Nicholas Kristof


(NOTE THAT ALL OF THESE TITLES ARE LINKED TO REVIEWS)  

Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)

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Post by: Lorac625 on September 02, 2012, 11:44:28 PM
Have you done The Hobbit,JRR Tolkien?  The Moon is a Harsh Misstress by Robert Heinlein is a great book for discussions as it has so much politics in it,and you can get into the was it based on Australia debate(the moon is a penal colony trying to win independence). The Great Gatsby can be fun...who would dedicate a book with so much infedelity in it to his wife?
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Post by: JoanP on September 03, 2012, 10:24:22 AM
Lorac - great suggestions!  No, we haven't done any of those...well, maybe The Great Gatsby - I'll check the Archives for that one.  Will certainly put them up for consideration in the near future.  Thank you!
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Post by: Babi on September 04, 2012, 08:43:39 AM
  A re-read of the Hobbit would be fun.  I was quite delighted with Bilbo.
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Post by: JoanK on September 06, 2012, 02:19:25 PM
This is PatH, posting on JoanK's computer.

Carol/Lorac, those are good book suggestions, and it looks like we haven't discussed any of them.  I discussed The Moon is a Harsh Mistress in a f2f book group, and you're right, it makes for a lively discussion.  We talked about all the points you mentioned, plus the economics (my daughter, an economist, was very interested in that) plus the sociology, and the computer science.  Most everyone likes The Hobbit.

It looks like you are a sci-fi fan; do come over to the Sci-fi/Fantasy discussion and say hi.
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Post by: Frybabe on September 06, 2012, 02:33:12 PM
I like those suggestions very much. I read the Ring trilogy plus the Tolkien Reader (short stories) long ago. In fact, before the first incarnation of it in the movies (which was cartoon form).
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Post by: ANNIE on September 06, 2012, 02:52:17 PM
I believe that I even saw the cartoon "The Hobbit" and was disappointed by it.  Have not seen all the films but I am sure they are very good. "The Hobbit" book as a discussion??  I don't know except I loved all of those books.  We even had "Twin Towers" board game that we all enjoyed.
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 03, 2012, 11:30:23 AM
Are we voting here?  If so, I would like to discuss FOUNDING RIVALS;  MADISON VS. MONROE.   I haven't read it, but I will.  Thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by: JoanP on October 03, 2012, 12:13:23 PM
Ella, we're nominating here.  Just about ready to put the titles in the heading to a Survey Monkey vote...Hold on!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 04, 2012, 12:23:19 PM
After seeing the PBS documentary this week I would love to read with a group the book Half The Sky - not only is it an eye opener but sensitive personal issues were reported in such a matter of fact way there was no squeamish feelings of revolt or horror - the situations were shattering but there are solutions achieved by some and a chapter of suggestions how we could easily support women - I would love to discuss this book

Half the Sky http://www.amazon.com/Half-Sky-Oppression-Opportunity-Worldwide/dp/0307387097/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1349367424&sr=1-1&keywords=half+a+sky
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Post by: JoanP on October 04, 2012, 01:05:45 PM
 
Thanks, Barb...

Please check over the titles in the heading nominated for our November Book Club Online.  Did we forget anything?  Would you like to add a title for consideration?  You still have time - we'll be voting this week.

Remember the titles are linked to reviews...
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Post by: ANNIE on October 04, 2012, 02:23:08 PM
I was just sent an offer to buy the audio of "American Presidency"  By Robert Dallek.  I think it might be something that Ella would like read and discuss.  Here's a description for it:


The 20th-century American Presidency is something of a mystery. Some Presidents performed exceptionally well in office, displaying strong leadership and winning the respect of the American people as well as the rest of the world. Others fell short of expectations and are remembered at best as marginal chief executives. What was it that allowed some to rise to greatness while others failed? What elusive mix of character traits, circumstance, and determination combine to mold the shape of a Presidential Administration? This course explores the tenures of the men who held our nation’s highest office during the 20th-century. The lectures look at each President and examine their strengths and weaknesses as well as the times in which they served. Through this analysis listeners will develop a better understanding not only of this supreme office and how it has taken shape, but also how it has shaped America and, indeed, the modern world.
A winner of the Bancroft Prize for history, Robert Dallek is a respected expert on presidential history and has taught at Columbia University, UCLA, and Oxford University. He is currently Professor of History at Boston University. He has published numerous works about U.S. foreign policy and the U.S. presidency, including such best-selling books as Lone Star Rising: Lyndon Johnson and His Times, 1908-1960, Hail to the Chief: The Making and Unmaking of American Presidents, and An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy.
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Post by: serenesheila on October 04, 2012, 06:10:07 PM
I watched the PBS program "Half The Sky". a few nights ago.  It was both informative, and deeply moving.  I would love to take part in reading, and discussing the book.

Sheila
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 05, 2012, 09:46:55 AM
Hello Ann:   When are you coming to visit me?   (we live nearby each other). 

No, I just finished one book about our presidents - THE PRESIDENTS CLUB - and am not ready yet for another.   We discussed each president since Truman, so I need something else for awhile.

But I always like nonfiction and the Madison-Monroe sounds good.  I was at the library yesterday, but their copy of it was out.  Will put it on reserve.
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 05, 2012, 09:50:56 AM
I just noticed that GATSBY is on the list.  Gosh, I haven't read it in awhile, I think I've read it every 20 years or so when something comes up to remind me of it.  If that is voted in I'll be there to discuss it.
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Post by: JoanP on October 07, 2012, 07:24:47 PM
OKAY, Ella - we're ready to vote.  As some of the titles may be unfamiliar to you, please read the reviews in the heading before going into the Ballot Box.

When you're ready, press the link to the Ballot Box...

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VOTE HERE (link to ballot box)! (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RC3NNK5)

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Post by: Babi on October 08, 2012, 08:43:56 AM
 I've voted.  While I would like to read "Travels with Herodotus",  I have been unable to locate the book
anywhere nearby.  So I voted for the three I would like to read/discuss that I can readily get my hands on.
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Post by: JoanP on October 08, 2012, 08:57:33 AM
Whoa...Babi - availability is a real consideration...!  Let me scout around...maybe it's under a different title - or?  Can anyone help with this?  We may have to  well, let's look around for Herodotus first!
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Post by: JoanP on October 08, 2012, 09:00:23 AM
First stop - Amazon.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1400078784/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

I see a it available in paperback...also a number of used copies...for under $2.00 plus shipping

My Library has 5 copies...all currently available.  I guess that doesn't help you, Babi.  There is the name of the translator - maybe under that name?

Translated  from the Polish by Klara Glowczewska

Babi, if you find it, email me and I'll try to change your vote if I can - or at least take it into consideration when all the votes are in.
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Post by: Frybabe on October 08, 2012, 09:19:21 AM
Travels is in my library, too, but I had trouble finding it at first. I can't remember if it was the title or the author the search feature didn't recognize, but it is there.
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Post by: JoanK on October 08, 2012, 03:13:59 PM
Well I voted, all for non-fiction. I hope it's not too soon to read another non-fiction book. Looks like we non-fiction readers have been busier at suggesting titles.
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Post by: PatH on October 08, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
I voted too--a mix of fiction and non.
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Post by: Babi on October 09, 2012, 08:36:47 AM
 At that price, JOANP, I think I can afford it.  :D  If it's chosen, I will happily buy a
second hand paperback from Amazon.
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Post by: JoanP on October 11, 2012, 07:24:16 AM
Final day to cast your vote if you have not yet done so.  The results are closer than they've ever been!  (Not talking about the Presidential Election right now, though both seem close! ;)
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Post by: Babi on October 11, 2012, 09:04:41 AM
  I'm voting by mail this year.  Don't think I can handle long lines.  Even the early voting has
long lines.  Got my ballot yesterday,  but want to learn more about the regional candidates
before completing it.  Already knew what my vote would be for Pres/V-pres, of course.  I
really like this new option.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 11, 2012, 03:24:12 PM
Babi Tip: I have worked for years at the polls and a couple of years with the group who sorted and verified the mail in votes - I do not know if every county operates in the same way but here in Travis County two things you need to be aware of...

When you sign, your handwriting as well as, how you place your initials - everything about your signature MUST be EXACTLY as it is on your request for a Ballet - even if the signature is slanted upward and your request did not have that slant your vote will be thrown away - every mail in vote is viewed by two people - a Dem and a Pub - no vote can be reviewed by only one person or one party- if in doubt we call a leader type who makes the decision - when the vote is determined to be from the one who requested the ballot than it is filed by precinct in a box.

Then the kicker - these votes are only counted if the vote is either tied or very close - they are stored and never counted unless needed.

I suggest if there is anyway to get to the polls - early voting in Harris County is the same as here in Travis County - Early and Mobile voting in person begins Monday, October 22, 2012 and ends Friday, November 2, 2012.

Oh yes, a good friend's daughter is an attorney - she called and she had to listen as if reading between the lines to verify the experience I shared with her. Evidently this is not public knowledge and if it happens here in one of the larger cities in this State you know we cannot be alone.
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Post by: jane on October 11, 2012, 04:37:46 PM
Interesting, Barb.  Here in Iowa "early voting/mobile voting" is the same as absentee voting or "mail-in voting."  You use that same ballot and put it in the envelopes, etc.

Also, according to a state site here:


http://sos.iowa.gov/elections/voterinformation/absfaq.html#11

this Q and A:

I've heard that absentee ballots are only counted if they will affect the outcome of the election. Is this true?

No.
All absentee ballots that are received on time are considered for counting. Absentee ballots received by Election Day are counted on Election Day. Ballots received after Election Day but before the deadline are counted when the absentee and special voters' precinct board meets as long as they are postmarked the day before Election Day or earlier.


jane
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Post by: PatH on October 11, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
Barb, what about referenda and local contests like school board?  Are the absentee ballots counted if these are close?  Those are usually the only close contests here, and they are often decided by very few votes.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 11, 2012, 06:17:09 PM
If ANY vote is a close vote or a tie they will be counted but then my annoyance with this plan is how close or not would an election be, that we have no clue because, those who voted at the polls are often younger and more physically able - but then it can easily be pointed out that older folks vote pocketbook when it comes to anything for the betterment of schools.

If you are depending on what is supposed to be after my experiences I would find someone who was a party to the counting and find out what does happen in the counting rooms. I must say though, although, I was surprised to find out how things were done I also noted, no one could leave without an official escorting you to the rest room and when lunch time and quit time arrived, no one could stay in the room and while we worked the room was locked with armed guards patrolling the hall.
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Post by: JoanK on October 12, 2012, 12:43:31 AM
A friend who votes by absentee ballot in Maryland really resents that her vote might not be counted. I can't blame her. This is my first time voting in this precinct, and I hope the lines aren't too long.

Voting in california has it's own flavor. I got a broshure from the state explaining all the propositions and it's 143 pages long (small print). gulp.
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Post by: jane on October 12, 2012, 08:57:01 AM
Since there seem to be state laws re: voting practices, I'd think that there would be a basis for voter fraud/denial of one's civil rights in the counties who don't count legitimate votes.

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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 12, 2012, 09:18:18 AM
Jane first you have to know that your vote was not counted and then how many have the where with all to see a law suit through especially against the county - it would have to be a class action suit to be able to afford a lawyer and even the many that they now know were denied access to voting in Florida do not have the money or will to sue - a law in only as good as taking someone to court with enough evidence to have a case heard.

To me the easiest is to find those who count the mail in votes and see what happens behind closed doors. Until you are sure your county counts all mail-in votes I would make it a point to vote during early voting which is less of a hassle with fewer folks waiting to vote than on election day. If you need assistance there is less pressure with time to comfortably set you up at the wheel chair station or make sure you have the hearing piece or even if you need someone with you those handling the polls are calmer and more helpful during early voting.

I have several friends who seldom get out and we check out when the voting bus is coming to a nearby neighborhood retirement home and then together we drive up and vote on that bus. If I cannot make the time or day then, when I am grocery shopping I swing by since early voting polls are open for about a two week period.
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Post by: Babi on October 12, 2012, 09:49:15 AM
Oh, BARB, I am not happy to hear that. However, I fear it's the only way I'll be able
to vote. Not to whine, but my energy span lately seems to be about 15 minutes! The doctor
has ordered various studies, and I'm hopeful he can find a way to improve that. The
documents did make it clear that the ballot had to be returned by a certain deadline,
so I hope that means the ruling JANE posted is also in effect here.
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Post by: JoanP on October 12, 2012, 05:55:28 PM
Oh my, we've got a tie - and no paper ballots to settle it.  We have to ask you to vote again, now that the field has narrowed considerabley!

VOTE AGAIN Here to Break the TIE! (link to ballot box)! (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JLT36YZ)

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Post by: PatH on October 12, 2012, 06:12:07 PM
Voted.
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Post by: jane on October 12, 2012, 09:00:57 PM
Barb..."early voting" here is the same as voting absentee or mailing in a ballot.  It's the same process.  You just hand the sealed in the envelope ballot to the clerk in the County Court House office where any mailed ballot ends up.  Therefore, "early voting" wouldn't change a thing, if the same devious practice in your county is done in mine.   [Evidence of this or talk of it, however, in the office where this is happening might be a lot easier to document these days with lapel mics and smartphones that record/videotape, etc. ]

jane
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Post by: Babi on October 13, 2012, 09:01:06 AM
Voted from your link in Library, JOAN. You're really good at making this easy for the
rest of us.  :)
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Post by: marjifay on October 14, 2012, 11:44:52 AM
JoanK wrote: "Voting in california has it's own flavor. I got a broshure from the state explaining all the propositions and it's 143 pages long (small print). gulp."
 
I know what you mean, Joan.  I just went thru' that brochure yesterday, and then sent in my absentee ballot.  I rely a lot on who is for or against a proposition.  I.E., anything that the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers' Assn. recommends (see Prop. 30 which they are against) I really pay attention.  Jarvis was the man who was instrumental in getting the law passed limiting how much the property tax could be increased, which saved a lot of people's homes, especially those retired people with limited incomes.  Jarvis is dead but the association keeps a sharp eye out for things that could jeopardize this law.

Marj











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Post by: JoanK on October 14, 2012, 04:13:56 PM
I wondered about the property tax here in CA: It's so different from Maryland. The woman I bought my condo from was paying very little property tax, based on the price she paid, many years ago. Mine is quadrupled, based on what I paid.

Of course, that means the state got less benefit from the housing boom. It may be part of why CA is so short of money. But if Seniors had had their taxes reflect the astronomical prices of a few tears ago, they would all have lost their homes.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 14, 2012, 04:37:26 PM
Joan here your school tax part of property tax is frozen at the county appraised value the year you turn 65 and so if you move to a new location after 65 the tax is frozen at the value the year you move into the new property.

We also have a deal where you can let your taxes ride at 8% interest until you sell your house or die for those over the age of 65. Not every county in the state works with this amendment but several of the surrounding counties do, and so older folks are not loosing their homes because of property tax.
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Post by: marjifay on October 15, 2012, 06:02:28 AM
March Book Club Online Selection:
The End of Your Life Book Club HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3730.msg184845#new)

NOMINATIONS for April Book Club discussion:

(NOTE THAT ALL OF THESE TITLES ARE LINKED TO REVIEWS)  

All Quiet on the Western Front (http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Western-Front-Erich-Remarque/dp/0449213943) by Erich Remarque

 The Moonstone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moonstone) by Wilkie Collins

 Scaramouche (http://www.amazon.com/Scaramouche-Rafael-Sabatini/dp/0451527976) by Rafael Sabatini

Starlight (http://www.amazon.com/Starlight-Vintage-Classics-Stella-Gibbons/dp/009952869X/ref=pd_sim_b_6) by Sheila Gibbons




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)

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Post by: JoanP on October 23, 2012, 12:58:11 PM
Well, we had the vote of the 8 nominated titles and narrowed the list to three.  We held a run-off election - only to find the results way to close to call.  Here's what we decided to do.

The Hobbit  (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3566.0) November Book Club Online discussion.  Join us today!   HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3566.0)  

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Travels with Herodotus January Book Club Online Discussion by Ryszard Kapuscinski  

Half the Sky by Nicholas Kristof - for consideration in March (if there is still interest)
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Post by: ANNIE on December 13, 2012, 12:52:51 PM
Another non-fiction suggestion for whenever.  :D

Maybe February??

First Chapter Excerpts
Crossing the Borders of Time: A True Story of War, Exile, and Love Reclaimed

Leslie Maitland

 During the fall that my father was dying, I went back to Europe and found myself seeking my mother's lost love. I say I went back almost as if the world she had fled and the dream she abandoned had also been mine, because I had grown to share the myth of her life.  Perhaps it is common for children whose parents survived the Nazi regime to identify with them, to feel a duty to make their lives better.  As my mother's handmaiden and avid disciple in an oral tradition, I felt possessed by a history never my own. Still, not as yoked as she was to life's compromises, I would prove more prepared to retrace the past and use it to forge a new future for her.     Time was running out on the present, and while my father grew weak in a lonely cave of silent bravado, it pained me to realize he would not even leave us the words that we needed.  No deathbed regrets, explanations, or tears. An emotional bandit, he would soon slip away under shadow of night, wearing his boots and his mask.      Work as a journalist compelled me to leave New York for a week that October, and I was anguished to lose any day at Dad's side.  Yet how fast he would fade I failed to imagine.  Nor could I foresee the course of my journey: that an impetuous detour to France from reporting in Germany would send me in search of Roland Arcieri -- the man my mother had loved and lost and mourned all her life. Dreading my father's imminent death and the void he would leave, I took a blind leap of faith into the past, dragging my mother behind me.     This is how one Sunday morning in 1990 I came to be visiting Mulhouse, a provincial French city 15 miles from Germany's Rhine River border. With cousins in town, I had visited Mulhouse twice years before. But on this crisp autumn day I was drawn toward a new destination: a 14-story, blue and white stucco building whose boxy design represented what passes too often for modern in Europe. While there was nothing about this unexceptional structure on a street densely shaded by chestnut trees to attract an American tourist, I instantly sensed that this was the place I had always needed to find. I stood at the spot -- the X on a map to a treasure buried by time -- torn by contradictory feelings. I ran a very real risk of discovering something better left hidden, still I could not understand or forgive my failure to look here before.              An ache of remorse for all the lost years mingled with nervous excitement. Just up the stairs, I would finally learn what I had always wanted to know. Who was Roland? Where was Roland? What had happened to him in the near 50 years since the cruelties of war had stolen the girl he wanted to marry? I needed to find my mother's grand passion. Love for the dark-eyed Frenchman, whose picture she always kept tucked in her wallet, continued to pulse in her memory, the heartbeat that kept her alive.     Excerpted from Crossing the Borders of Time: A True Story of War, Exile, and a Love Reclaimed by Leslie Maitland All rights reserved by the original copyright owners. Excerpts are provided for display purposes only and may not be reproduced, reprinted or distributed without the written permission of the publisher.
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Post by: Babi on December 14, 2012, 08:53:21 AM
 A very impressive sample, ELLA.  I was especially struck by the line, "An emotional bandit, he would soon slip away under shadow of night, wearing his boots and his mask."What more does the book cover, other than this search for a mother's old love?
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Post by: kidsal on January 12, 2013, 05:47:51 AM
Am I missing a February book???
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Post by: JoanP on January 12, 2013, 06:14:59 AM
We're working diligently on it, kidsal.  Admittedly we're late with the decision.  Should let you know in a few days - by Jan. 15.
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Post by: JudeS on January 12, 2013, 09:04:30 AM
Are we making suggestions for nom-fiction?

If so I would like to suggest the book:"The Hare With the Amber Eyes" by Edmund de Waal.
This is the history of a collection of  265 Japanese Netsuki (tiny figurines carved in ivory, wood, or stone)passed down through five generations from  the year 1865 till the present.
We explore the changes  in Paris and Vienna during this period with Japan as the source of the figurines .
The family moves from being second only to the Rothchilds in European wealth to total poverty. Yet through the five generations that we get to know the netsuki are somhow preserved.
I can't beleive how much History I learned from this book .
It is written in a delightful yet in depth way that holds your attention from begining to end.
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Post by: ANNIE on January 12, 2013, 11:31:02 AM
Wow, Jude,
That looks really good.  I will peruse my library's online list and see if they have it.
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Post by: marcie on January 12, 2013, 03:36:48 PM
Jude, thanks for the suggestion of The Hare with the Amber Eyes. It does look good!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 12, 2013, 04:33:14 PM
It does and wonders of wonders it is out in paperback - the Guardian gave it a wonderful review when it was first published.
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Post by: kidsal on January 13, 2013, 05:25:51 AM
It reminds me of "People of the Book"
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Post by: JoanP on January 15, 2013, 07:54:36 AM
Yes, it does, doesn't it, kidsal.  I was surprised to learn that the author of The Hare with Amber Eyes is not an writer by trade, but a potter.  Surprised because he is winning growing numbers of European literary awards for this book abroad.  But then not surprised to read that he studied English at Cambridge, though he chose to become a potter, rather than a writer after he graduated.

Here's the big surprise of the morning.  We had been looking for a good fiction title for February's Book Club Online - to follow Travels with Herodotus.  Until Jude brought The Hare with those amber eyes to our attention - and blew us all away.

Sooo - there are two announcements this morning -

1. The Hare with Amber Eyes (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3702.0) is our February Book Club Online selection - please follow the title link to the discussion  this morning and say hello - since the suggested emanated from this discussion. :D

2. We are opening the nominations for Fiction for our March discussion this morning.  I'm going to enter one of the top contenders we were considering for February before the hare hopped into our sights.  Will Schwabe's  End of Your Life Book Club (http://theendofyourlifebookclub.com/), though not strictly fiction, offers a rich discussion of fiction titles in the mother-son book club of the title.  Pedln recommended this book and we all agreed it was worthy of our discussion.  The concern at the time was that it was too new and perhaps too difficult to get hold of.  Will begin our header of nominations with this title - perhaps you can check your local libraries to see how many copies they carry and the extent of the demand.  It looks like a great book club suggestion.

The floor is now open for March Fiction nominations...
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Post by: marjifay on January 15, 2013, 09:53:23 AM
I'd like to read THE PLAGUE by Albert Camus.  Jude recommended it some time ago, and said "By placing the setting of the Novel in North Africa he fooled the Germans who had conquered France into thinking it was about a Plague of sickness. It really was an allegory about the Nazi Regime.
They allowed it to be published while the war was still on and before they ever found out that Camus was working for the French Underground.  For those of you who haven't read Camus this is a deceptively dark novel that gave hope to people in their days under the Nazi regime."

Marj
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Post by: pedln on January 15, 2013, 10:15:41 AM
I've got two titles I'd like to recommend, one read and one on my TBR list, both fairly recent titles from a few years back.

Still Alice, a novel by neuroscientist Lisa Genova is about a woman professor diagnosed with early-onset Alzheimers.  Rather than saying "I really liked it," perhaps, "I'm glad I read it" is the more appropriate comment. Every time I think of this book, I also think of Tennessee coach Pat Summit.

The House at Riverton by Kate Morton has been recommended to me by friends, one reason being that it's set in the same time frame as Downton Abbey.  A book with secrets, the story is told by one of the invisible "help."
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Post by: JoanP on January 15, 2013, 06:45:25 PM
Thanks for the great nominations, everyone.  You're going to make the selection for March a difficult one!
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Post by: marcie on January 27, 2013, 01:05:16 PM

I'm interested in reading The Phantom of the Opera which I've not read.

"The Phantom of the Opera is undoubtedly a product of nineteenth century history and culture. It follows the conventions of popular serialized fiction with its succession of ‘fillers’ and ‘cliff hangers’, and use of stereotypical situations. Yet there is something both unsettled and unsettling about it. It is a popular novel, yet it takes its cue from elitist Grand Opera. It is a romantic tragedy of sorts but with farcical scenes. It contains all the elements of the pageant, and yet revels in the hidden. As for the main protagonists, they scarcely correspond to the profile of standard heroes and villains. Even those episodes that begin with all the markings of the adventure story have disconcerting outcomes. And although it is a detective story, with an inquisitive reporter as first-person narrator, the mystery is never quite dispelled: it lingers on. While this may help understand why the book originally failed as a work of popular fiction, it also goes some way to explain why several generations of filmmakers, dramatists, novelists and even poets have felt compelled time and time again to revisit, reinterpret and reinvent Leroux’s compelling story and characters."
http://www.mireilleribiere.com/the-phantom-of-the-opera/an-unsettling-unsettled-novel/
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Post by: marcie on January 27, 2013, 01:06:05 PM
Does anyone else have any nominations before we start voting?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 27, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
great suggestions - already I can see two that I will struggle to decide which would be my first choice.
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Post by: PatH on January 30, 2013, 12:32:22 PM
Done.  I was lucky this time--had clear first and second choices.
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Post by: Babi on January 31, 2013, 09:02:22 AM
 Easy choice for #1.  A bit hesitant on #2.  :)
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Post by: pedln on February 02, 2013, 11:36:42 AM
Same here, Babi.  Number 1 was easy, number 2 I had to choose between two I really liked.
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Post by: kidsal on February 12, 2013, 02:34:23 AM
Did something happen to the vote??
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Post by: JoanP on February 12, 2013, 08:59:44 AM
No, we  have a clear winner-just lining up discussion leaders right  now.  Stay tuned :D
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Post by: JoanP on February 14, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
So pleased to announce our readers' #1 choice for March discussion, Will Schwalbe's "The End of Your Life Book Club"  - "the inspiring true story of a son and his mother, who start a “book club” that brings them together as her life comes to a close. Over the next two years, Will and Mary Anne carry on conversations that are both wide-ranging and deeply personal, prompted by an eclectic array of books and a shared passion for reading."

Keep a pen and notepad handy; you will surely hear them discuss titles you wonder how you ever missed!  No wonder this book is a best seller, five stars, Amazon pick by the editors as  "best book of 2012."  We'll be talking about the Schwalbes' story through March and also the titles they discuss in their "bookclub" conversations.  Please plan to join us here: The End of Your Life Book Club Discussion (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=148.0)
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Post by: JoanP on February 15, 2013, 08:26:44 AM
Time to start thinking about a good topic for group discussion in April.  Fiction, this time...
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Post by: Frybabe on February 15, 2013, 01:12:15 PM
Oh Gosh! Just when I am cruising my collection for the next book to read.

Okay, how about:
Rafael Sabatini, Scaramouche  Adventure
http://www.amazon.com/Scaramouche-Rafael-Sabatini/dp/0451527976

Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone  Detective Mystery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moonstone

All Quiet on the Western Front War
http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Western-Front-Erich-Remarque/dp/0449213943

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Post by: PatH on February 15, 2013, 01:46:28 PM
Scaramouche--I read it a lifetime ago, wonder how it would seem now.

We discussed The Woman in White on the old site, but I don't think we've ever done The Moonstone.  If you haven't read it, you're in for a treat, and it would make for a good discussion--lots of meat there.
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Post by: Frybabe on February 15, 2013, 02:35:15 PM
I have no idea if Scaramouche would make a good discussion or not, but The Moonstone looks like it will have plenty to talk about. All Quiet on the Western Front I added because I know at least one other person wants to read it too. I tried to list books that were not too long or too short and are widely available in print, e-book and audio. I believe two of them also come in large print. What horrifying prices they want for large print books, and I thought the audible books were expensive.  :(
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on February 15, 2013, 02:41:39 PM
I am for - All Quiet on the Western Front
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on February 15, 2013, 02:58:09 PM
I also could do with a good laugh and Stella Gibbons has a great line up of characters - she is likened to Barbara Pym only with less dreary characters as well, it is said she is the twentieth century's answer to Jane Austin.

This one - Starlight - looks like fun...

http://www.amazon.com/Starlight-Vintage-Classics-Stella-Gibbons/dp/009952869X/ref=pd_sim_b_6
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Post by: Frybabe on February 15, 2013, 03:11:15 PM
I didn't recognize the name until I saw she wrote Cold Comfort Farm.
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Post by: Babi on February 16, 2013, 08:37:56 AM
  I've read one Stella Gibbons book, "Cold Comfort Farm", and it was good. I'm
not certain if I read "The Moonstone" or some other similar story about a
stolen Indian gem. I'm sure there were others, featuring a ruby and perhaps a
diamond.
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Post by: JoanP on February 16, 2013, 09:52:22 AM
Goodness, already 4-5 titles to consider for April! Will be back this afternoon and enter them into the heading.

Don't forget - we've opened End of Your Life Book Club... This promises to be a rich discussion - I'll bet more titles will occur in this club's reading list too...
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Post by: PatH on February 16, 2013, 01:47:49 PM
The gem called the moonstone is a yellow diamond, stolen from the eye of an Indian idol.
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Post by: Frybabe on February 16, 2013, 03:36:00 PM
The the book is misnamed? The gemstone called moonstone has nothing to do with diamonds; it is a feldspar. Here is Google's image page. I've seen the greyish moonstone, but it comes in other colors. To commemorate the astronauts landing on the moon in 1969, Florida named Moonstone as their state gem in 1970.

http://isearch.avg.com/images?s=sideNav&q=moonstone+gemstone&sap=nt&lang=en&mid=fc8afeb655e447d1b5ffcd889880a8e9-291fb84bd40ac22258bbdf87a67f8c5048b9eaf2&cid={b53baf44-530d-417b-baf0-7af721d7384b}&v=14.1.0.10&ds=ts023&d=8%2f26%2f2012+8%3a06%3a23+AM&pr=sa&snd=hdr&pid=avg
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Post by: PatH on February 16, 2013, 07:54:45 PM
The title gem of the book gets its name from its association with the Hindu god of the moon.  Supposedly it waxes and wanes in brilliance with the phases of the moon.  So the book is misnamed only in the sense that the title has two meanings, one of which was not intended.

The feldspar moonstones look much more appropriate to the name.
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Post by: Frybabe on February 16, 2013, 09:18:03 PM
The GReeks and ROmans associated the moonshine with their LUnar GOds. I have no idea why this thing is capitalizing  the first two letters. I'm on my KIndle right now. It sure is slow typing with a stylus.
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Post by: Babi on February 17, 2013, 08:58:49 AM
  The moonstones are incredibly beautiful, and remind me of my birthstone, the opal.  I find such gems
much lovelier than the diamond.  Really, the popularity of the diamond has always somewhat puzzled me.
Lots of sparkle and glitter, of course.
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Post by: JoanP on February 21, 2013, 06:06:10 PM
Has anyone read any of Kent Haruf's books - Plainsong, Eventide?  He's just come out with a new one after a decade since he last published.  The new one is called Benediction - some of the characters appeared in the earlier two.  I'm interested to hear about those...
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Post by: Babi on February 22, 2013, 09:34:58 AM
 All three what you might call clerical titles.  They do appeal to me. What are the books about?   What genre, would you say,  JOAN? 
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Post by: JoanP on February 22, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)

Nominations for September Book Club Online

Titles are all linked to reviews or descriptions


Title
Author
Plainsong (http://www.salon.com/1999/10/18/haruf/), Eventide (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0375725768), Benediction (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0375725768)                    Kent Haruf
Harvest, A Novel (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385520778/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1)                    Jim Crace
Interpretation of Maladies (http://books.google.com/books/about/Interpreter_of_Maladies.html?id=WsqydiXjwAEC)                    Jhumpa Lahiri
A Visit from Voltaire (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1870015843/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)                    Dinah Lee Küng


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
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Post by: marjifay on February 22, 2013, 06:37:50 PM
I'll nominate PLAINSONG by Kent Haruf (301 pp, 1999)  

Per Library Journal, "Two bachelor farmer brothers, a pregnant high school girl, two young brothers, and two devoted high school teachers--this is the interesting group of people, some related by blood but most not, featured in the award-winning Haruf's touching novel. Set in the plains of Colorado, east of Denver, the novel comprises several story lines that flow into one. Tom Guthrie, a high school history teacher, is having problems with his wife and with an unruly student at school, problems that affect his young sons, Ike and Bob, as well. Meanwhile, the pregnant Victoria Roubideaux has been abandoned by her family. With the assistance of another teacher, Maggie Jones, she finds refuge with the McPheron brothers„ who seem to know more about cows than people. Lyrical and well crafted, the tight narrative about how families can be made between folks who are not necessarily blood relatives makes for enjoyable reading."

Marj
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Post by: Babi on February 23, 2013, 08:58:37 AM
I loved Ivan Doig! My library has Plainsong and Eventide, happily. Definitely
on my TBR list.
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Post by: JoanP on February 23, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
I did too, Babi.  I intend to pick up a library copy when I return Hare with Amber Eyes today.  Marjifay, I'll add Plainsong to the list in the heading.  I think we'll have a better idea about how we feel about the book by the time we start the vote...

Here are the opening lines from a book review in the New York Times when Plainsong was published in 1999:

"Here was this man Tom Guthrie. . . .'' That's how Kent Haruf begins the first sentence of his new novel, ''Plainsong,'' and not until the last sentence, roughly 300 pages later, does he allow himself a rhetorical flourish so pronounced. Yet from simple strands of language and cuttings of talk, from the look of the high Colorado plains east of Denver almost to the place where Nebraska and Kansas meet, Haruf has made a novel so foursquare, so delicate and lovely, that it has the power to exalt the reader."

http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/10/03/reviews/991003.03klinket.html

 Try Ivan Doig - we loved his book when we discussed it here a while back.  Many of us went on to read sequels.  Why can't I remember titles?  Do you, Babi?

edit  - ten minutes later, Doig's title came to me - Dancing at the Rascal Fair
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Post by: Babi on February 24, 2013, 08:41:58 AM
    That was it.  One of the best books I'd read in a long time.  If "Plainsong" comes close to that, I'll be delighted.
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Post by: Jonathan on February 26, 2013, 09:45:30 PM
I would like to suggest THE MONK, by Mathew Lewis. The wildest gothic tale imaginable. From the cover:

'This book, written when its author was nineteen years old, is held to be one of the finest of the 'Gothic' novels which enjoyed great popularity in the eighteentha century. It is a violent tale of ambition, murder, and incest, set in the sinister monastery of the Capuchins in Madrid....The mixture of the supernatural, the horrible and the carnal, makes this book as sensational as when it was first published in 1796.'
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Post by: Frybabe on February 27, 2013, 07:14:21 AM
I'm going to have to look into The Monk, Johnathon. It  sounds like a precursor to Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose.

Speaking of Eco, has anyone read his latest book, The Prague Cemetery? It sounds positively distasteful (to put it mildly). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prague_Cemetery In reading about the book, however, I am learning more obscure history. For instance, after reading the article I looked up Abbot Barruelo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin_Barruel  who was something of a conspiracy theorist and to whose writing, the article claims, gave rise to modern anti-semitism.
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Post by: JoanP on February 27, 2013, 10:30:03 AM
Oho, Jonathan - this would surely be a sensational choice for our readers!  :D In many ways!  Where on earth did you find this one?  Read more -

 The Monk (http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/recom/reviews/ml_tm.html) by Matthew Lewis

ps Our Library system has one copy...
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Post by: Frybabe on February 27, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
FYI, Project Gutenberg has The Monk and there is a free Kindle edition on Amazon, which also has three other editions listed.

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Post by: marjifay on February 28, 2013, 11:29:01 AM
Oh, Jonathan, thanks for nominating THE MONK by Matthew Lewis.  I've had that book on my shelf for a long time but have yet to read it.  First heard of it when it was discussed in a great Yahoo group to which I belong, British Classics.  Sounds good, doesn't it?  My notes say "When this was originally published in 1796, readers were shocked by the gripping and horrific novel." 

Marj
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Post by: PatH on March 02, 2013, 05:04:27 PM
I would like to point out that the link to The Moonstone tells the whole plot, and since it's a mystery, that means SPOILERS.

It's a good story, shouldn't be spoiled.
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Post by: JoanP on March 04, 2013, 08:55:13 AM
Last evening I picked up my library copy of Plainsong - checked out a few days ago. Couldn't put it down. I was remembering how Babi was looking forward to reading this book...just a few days ago... I think I read it to be closer to her.  I remember how she used to read and take notes so she'd be ready for a discussion, long after she'd returned the book to the library. I know Babi would have loved this book.

I came in to remind you that we will close the nominations for an April group discussion at the end of the day today - and open the voting booth in the morning.  A very interesting field this time, don't you agree? There is still time to add to it.
 

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KDCVZTZ
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Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2013, 04:39:43 AM
March Book Club Online Selection:
The End of Your Life Book Club HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3730.msg184845#new)



THREE-WAY TIE For April!

Run-Off Vote HERE  (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/KDCVZTZ) (link to vote)

(NOTE THAT ALL OF THESE TITLES ARE LINKED TO REVIEWS)  


All Quiet on the Western Front (http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Western-Front-Erich-Remarque/dp/0449213943) by Erich Remarque

 The Monk (http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/recom/reviews/ml_tm.html) by Matthew Lewis

 The Moonstone (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6138.The_Moonstone) by Wilkie Collins
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Post by: marjifay on March 12, 2013, 09:20:53 AM
It would be nice if we could, in the future, decide on a book earlier, especially when the nominations include books of almost 500 pp.  I voted on the shortest book for the reason that I won't have time to read a longer book.  I belong to several book clubs and am in the middle of two books which will be discussed beginning March 15.  Just my opinion.

Marj
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Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2013, 09:32:23 AM
Your suggestion is greatly appreciated.  February was a short month - March sort of crept up on us.  There is only one super long book on the list.  If it wins, we can extend the discussion time into early May.  How's that? 

As soon as we decide on the April selection, we'd better start taking nominations for May.  Thanks, Marjifay.
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Post by: PatH on March 12, 2013, 04:49:26 PM
That's a good suggestion, JoanP.  If you're referring to The Moonstone, it could definitely use more than a month.
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Post by: Frybabe on March 12, 2013, 05:50:41 PM
Moonstone is 432 or 366 pages. The Monk is close to 500 pages if you get the Oxford Classics edition. Another edition is 364 pages, I think. The difference appears to be mostly in the page size of the editions and possibly some extra explanatory/editorial info.  My old copy of All Quiet on the Western Front is 299 pages, while the the edition on Amazon is 305 pages. Hope that is of help to those who are concerned about book length.

I am really having a difficult time making up my mind between the detective story, the Gothic story or the WWI story (essentially an anti-war book). Did you know that Remarque's book was one of the first to be banned and burned in Nazi Germany?

ps. okay, I just closed my eyes and made my choice. I'll be in it for whichever is chosen.
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Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2013, 06:07:50 PM
Phew - good!  Couldn't tell where you are going there - until the end when you said you'd be in it no matter what! :D  Can't say how the vote is going yet - except that it is now a two way tie!
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Post by: JudeS on March 12, 2013, 06:53:01 PM
I voted for The Monk. That is the literary period I know least about and would like to know more.

The  Remarque book is not a feel good book.  have read it and many othere on WW1.  The horror in the trenches was so terrible that I will skip the discussion if that book is chosen. The movie is also a masterpiece, but depressing.

Wilkie Collins is usually an easy and literate read, no matter the length of the book.
So if one of those two make it I will be "in".

Just not in the mood for another war book, especially one that I have read.
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Post by: PatH on March 12, 2013, 08:37:06 PM
The description of The Monk makes it sound pretty brutal too, as well as anticlerical.
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Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2013, 08:40:41 PM
I read that it is pretty humorous though, Pat. :D Brutal, anticlerical and wickedly funny!
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Post by: JudeS on March 14, 2013, 02:17:41 AM
What could be better?
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Post by: JoanP on March 22, 2013, 09:43:49 PM
We are happy to announce that Wilkie Collins'  The Moonstone (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3772.0) has been selected for the Book Club Online discussion.  We will begin on April 15 and continue through the month of May.   This is a delightful selection, believed to be the first detective/mystery novel.  We hope you drop in now and say hello, select your chair...
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Post by: JoanP on April 15, 2013, 09:29:18 AM
Something a little different for June Book Club Online...

The SeniorLearn DLs are planning a month-long discussion of favorite Short Stories.  The only requirement is that we can find the stories online.  Hopefully you will share some of your own favorite titles/authors with us.  Alice Munro is one of my favorite short story writer.  She seems to know how to keep the tension going - right to the end, when there is a surprise or unexpected turn of events.

I read that ingredients of a good short story are:  a strong theme, a fascinating plot, a fitting structure, unforgettable characters, a well-chosen setting, and an appealing style.

It's not easy to get all of these into a short story - do you think they are all required?

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Post by: Scottieluvr on April 15, 2013, 05:28:59 PM
Something a little different for June Book Club Online...

The SeniorLearn DLs are planning a month-long discussion of favorite Short Stories.  The only requirement is that we can find the stories online.  Hopefully you will share some of your own favorite titles/authors with us.  Alice Munro is one of my favorite short story writer.  She seems to know how to keep the tension going - right to the end, when there is a surprise or unexpected turn of events.

I read that ingredients of a good short story are:  a strong theme, a fascinating plot, a fitting structure, unforgettable characters, a well-chosen setting, and an appealing style.

It's not easy to get all of these into a short story - do you think they are all required?

I'd be interested in joining that... where would this group meet? In the meantime I'll start collecting online short stories.
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Post by: JoanP on April 15, 2013, 05:58:16 PM
Just opened this morning, Pamela...we're gathering here - please join us at  SeniorLearn's Anthology of Favorite Short Stories (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3789.new;topicseen#new)
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Post by: Steph on May 31, 2013, 08:20:02 AM
I would like to suggest for possibly October discussion, the trilogy of Kent Haruf.. It makes you feel as if you lived there and know these people as your neighbors and friends.
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Post by: JoanP on May 31, 2013, 08:33:53 AM
I agree, Steph!
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Post by: JoanP on July 28, 2013, 02:03:09 PM
Time to start thinking seriously  of our September group read.  Ella and Harold are attracting a wide group of posters to share memories of FDR -  in August.  Even if you are too young to remember those days, you will probably be interested to read what your parents were going through, while you so blissfully enjoyed your childhood!
Even though it's a hefty book, September will be here before you know it.

We already have several nominations in the heading - but open to more before we vote.  I'll nominate one more that has come to my attention recently -

Pedln recently posted the new Man Booker (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/jul/23/man-booker-longlist-2013-diverse-judges?CMP=twt_fd) nominations in the Library.   One familiar name on the list -  Jhumpa Lahiri, an author Will Schwalbe wrote about in his End of Your Life Book Club, you might remember we read his book together here recently.

Jhumpa Lahiri is nominated for the Booker prize  for her new book - The Lowland .
In 2000 she won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction for her first book, ''Interpreter of Maladies''  is a collection of nine short stories evoking the isolation  South Asian immigrants in America. She is quite young, born in India, raised in Rhode Island.  The short story collection also won the  Hemingway Foundation/PEN Award in the year 2000 and has sold over 15 million copies worldwide. It was also chosen as The New Yorker's Best Debut of the Year and is on Oprah Winfrey's Top Ten Book List.

I'll nominate Interpreter of Maladies for our September Book Club Online to see if there is interest in more short stories.  If you'd like to sample one of her prize-winning stories,  A Temporary Matter  (http://faculty.ucc.edu/english-chewning/A%20Temporary%20Matter.pdf) is the first story in the collection...
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Post by: JoanP on July 29, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
Let's toss out titles - what do you think of this one?

 The 19th Wife (http://www.the19thwife.com/about.html) by David Ebershoff.  It sounds interesting but has anyone read it?
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Post by: JoanP on July 29, 2013, 05:25:45 PM
Did you like Dan Brown's DaVinci Code?  We read it here as a group?  Have you read his Inferno?  Would you like to do a group read of his Inferno?  Everyone is reading it...I think I'd only tackle it with you all.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on July 29, 2013, 06:07:59 PM
I'd like to suggest Harvest: A Novel by Jim Crace

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385520778/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The story takes place in England during the end of a way of life that was tied to farming the land when labor was the skills of the people working the land.
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Post by: JoanP on July 29, 2013, 09:58:57 PM
Had never heard of Jim Crace, Barb - and yet I see he's written a number of books.  I'll enter to the suggestions in the heading. and look into it.

Here's another you've probably heard of.   Death Comes to Pemberley by P.D. James.  Have you read it?
A rare meeting of literary genius: P. D. James, long among the most admired mystery writers of our time, draws the characters of Jane Austen’s beloved novel Pride and Prejudice into a tale of murder and emotional mayhem.
 
Inspired by a lifelong passion for Austen, P. D. James masterfully re-creates the world of Pride and Prejudice, electrifying it with the excitement and suspense of a brilliantly crafted crime story, as only she can write it.
 
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Post by: JoanP on July 30, 2013, 10:20:51 AM
Here's an idea I've been investigating.  Remember Kate Chopin's short story we read this past month - "A Pair of Silk Stockings"?  The mother who spends what she planned to spend on her children -  on herself?  As a group we had mixed reactions to her behavior.

Well, Kate Chopin wrote a book,  The Awakening, originally titled A Solitary Soul, first published in 1899.
"Set in New Orleans and the Southern Louisiana coast at the end of the nineteenth century, the plot centers on Edna Pontellier and her struggle to reconcile her increasingly unorthodox views on femininity and motherhood with the prevailing social attitudes of the turn-of-the-century South.

"Kate Chopin's The Awakening is a frank look at a woman's life at the turn of the 19th century. Published in 1899, Chopin's novella shocked critics and audiences alike, who showed little sympathy for the author or her central protagonist, Edna Pontellier. A master of craft, Chopin wrote a forceful novel about a woman who questioned not only her role in society, but the standards of society itself."
 
The novel's blend of realistic narrative, incisive social commentary, and psychological complexity makes The Awakening a precursor of American modernism; it prefigures the works of American novelists such as William Faulkner and Ernest Hemingway and echoes the works of contemporaries such as Edith Wharton and Henry James. It can also be considered among the first Southern works in a tradition that would culminate with the modern masterpieces of Faulkner, Flannery O'Connor, Eudora Welty, Katherine Anne Porter, and Tennessee Williams."

The book is available on line - also in most libraries.  It was quite controversial when published, maybe still controversial now. Has anyone read it?  Might it be an interesting choice for September? It might be a bit controversial.  We couldn't even agree if her character in "A Pair of Silk Stockings"  should have spent money on herself!

Heck...I'm going to put it up for consideration.  I really want to read it!  See the box of nominations in the heading at the top of the page!  Any interest in the PD James - Death Comes to Pemberly?

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Post by: rosemarykaye on July 31, 2013, 08:01:19 AM
Joan - I've read Death Comes to Pemberley, and it was AWFUL - a terrible disappointment.  At least, that's what I thought  :)

Rosemary
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Post by: PatH on July 31, 2013, 08:33:40 AM
I would rate it short of awful, but definitely disappointing.  James didn't get the tone right--admittedly difficult to do, and she had Elizabeth and Darcy having a number of personal conversations that they either would have had much earlier in their marriage, would never have had at all, or had already had in Pride and Prejudice.  Austen fans tend to want to read all these spin-offs, even if they aren't usually very good.
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Post by: JoanP on July 31, 2013, 08:45:33 AM
Oh boy, I came in this morning to tell you that I just heard  that Kate Chopin's The Awakening   was a real "downer" - from someone whose opinion I really respect - who has read the book to the end.

And now the news that Death Comes to Pemberley "is AWFUL" - how  do you miss with Jane Austin and PD James, PatH?

We've missed you around the halls here,  Rosemary. Any ideas for a September Book Club Online discussion?  

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Post by: nlhome on July 31, 2013, 05:41:29 PM
I read The Awakening about 30-35 years ago. I don't remember it as a "downer" but more as a thoughtful book.
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Post by: JoanP on July 31, 2013, 07:14:06 PM
I was told the ending of The Awakening was depressing, nlhome. "Thoughtful" wouldn't be bad.  How do you remember that from 35 years ago?  Maybe we should reconsider it?

I came in to ask if there is interest in Arrowsmith - Sinclair Lewis.  There's been some interest in the Library recently.  I could go for that - Here's a review - http://joederbes.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/book-review-arrowsmith-by-sinclair-lewis/
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Post by: Frybabe on August 01, 2013, 08:20:39 AM

Looks interesting, JoanP. It's one of the "must read" books I never read. I actually thought Arrowsmith was an early American venue, like Last of the Mohican's. I am disappointed that Project Gutenberg (US) does not have it in their catalog, though.

The 19th Wife looks interesting too. The others I haven't really looked into yet. It is safe to say, though, that The Awakening and Death Comes to Pemberly are out for me.

My brain has not come up with any suggestions yet.
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Post by: JoanP on August 01, 2013, 08:46:24 AM
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  September Book Club Online

  The Good Earth by Pearl Buck (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3912.0)


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)

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Post by: JoanP on August 01, 2013, 08:53:53 AM
Try this, Fry...let me know if it works for you?

Arrowsmith - http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200131.txt
  I'll enter Arrowsmith into the mix in the chart of nominations and we'll see if there is interest in this classic some of us have never read!
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Post by: Frybabe on August 01, 2013, 10:18:40 AM
Yes, I saw the AU page. Australia has a different copyright law time period than the US. Since the copyright was renewed here in 1953 it will be a while until we see it in the public domain. Some of Lewis's works are in the public domain, including Babbitt and Main Street . Don't know why these weren't renewed. Copyright laws have changed a bit over the years.  For those interested in such things, here is a current quick guide to copyrights expiration  in the US.

http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm

I'll probably get a hold of a used copy or library copy rather than try to read it on my computer.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 01, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
For straight through reading a book on either the kindle or computer is fine but I really find it a challenge especially reading on the kindle to go back and re-read sections to clarify as we often do when discussing a book - with a real book I can visually see the page I am looking for in my head and the pages are numbered - just going back to an earlier chapter can be difficult - some books have a content list by chapter but then you have to remember what chapter has what you are looking for - on the computer it is not as bad probably because there are what in a book would be pages of the story right in front of you and so for me it is not the challenge as is the kindle.
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Post by: JoanP on August 01, 2013, 10:46:12 AM
I could not agree with you more, Barbara!
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Post by: marcie on August 01, 2013, 06:08:38 PM
Arrowsmith sounds good to me.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 01, 2013, 07:36:35 PM
I need to put a good word in for A Visit from Voltaire    I recommend if it is not chosen to go ahead and get a copy - if you are like me, the only thing I really knew about Voltaire was reading Candide in English Lit - this guy is dynamite - a true Renaissance man with so many interests - I had no idea he had houses so close to Switzerland in eastern France  - his story is subtlety told as he is a Ghost in the home of an accomplished Journalist who spent years in China and Hong Cong reporting as well as reporting at the UN where her husband was a UN official - they married and had two boys moved to the husbands homeland living in the community where the husband grew up.

The wife is lonely and misses NY - with the help of Voltaire she accomplishes all sorts of inroads that include some background in how this Swiss Village handles its affairs and how the children are educated. Although, no one can see Voltaire except the wife she sets him up with an Amazon account to satisfy his reading curiosity - he gets online and is successful investing which she has to shut that down - he knows medicine and successfully helps her with her son's asthma -

He was a outstanding gardener and helps her start a garden - Helps her plan several dinner parties that all have to have entertainment. One evening the boys entertain with their musical accomplishments - he corresponds by email to an official in Pakistan using a pseudonym helping a political prisoner obtain his freedom.

The story is not heavy however, as outlandish the concept she carries it off believably and well - we learn much about Voltaire's extraordinary life and how people lived during his time in history in addition to what was happening historically.

 After reading this I am in awe of Voltaire and plan on reading more of his work - had no idea the extensive number of books, plays, letters (now available as a bound copy) and articles this man wrote.  

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1870015843/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Post by: JoanP on August 02, 2013, 01:13:36 PM
Barbara, I'm so glad you posted that review - and explanation of A Visit from Voltaire.  It's your description that puts it up there as an interesting choice.  Can you suggest one of Voltaire's works...other than Candide that might be interesting to read along with A Visit?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 02, 2013, 02:22:17 PM
For anyone with a Kindle there is a copy of Works of Voltaire for only 2.99 that includes these works

Table of Contents:
- Azolan
- Candide
- From Love to Friendship
- In Camp Before Philippsburg, July 3, 1734
- Letters on England
- Mahomet
- Micromegas
- On the Death of Adrienne Lecouvreur
- The History of Peter the Great, Emperor of Russia
- The Origin of Trades
- The Padlock
- Thelema and Macareus
- To a Lady Very Well Known to the Whole Town
- To Her Royal Highness, the Princess of
- To the Queen of Hungary
- Voltaire's Philosophical Dictionary
- Voltaire's Romances Complete Work
- Zadig or the Book of Fate

IN the novel A Visit from Voltaire there is an exchange between him and the wife- forget her name now - anyhow the exchange is about how much he enjoyed England and his letters were mentioned in that exchange. Barely did he mention Candide but other plays sounded more important - he has real issues with the church and thinks Rousseau is more or less a ragamuffin with no class. Also, his love life was romantic, but to a married women - they did live together for I think it was 12 years. I want to read,  Passionate Minds: Emilie du Chatelet, Voltaire, and the Great Love Affair of the Enlightenment by David Bodanis

Voltaire's Philosophical Dictionary is free on kindle and full of great quotes - not near as dry as the title would make it appear but then it may be because I am reading his work after having a wonderful introduction to the man from the book A Visit...
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Post by: marjifay on August 04, 2013, 09:42:55 AM
I agree with Rosemary re P.D. James' Death Comes to Pemberly. Very disappointing.   I read it last year and found it to be very repetitious.  I skimmed much of it.  My notes say I would not recommend it to anyone--Jane Austen fan or not.  (I have enjoyed many of James' previous books with Adam Daigliesh, tho.')

Marge
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Post by: JoanP on August 04, 2013, 05:54:21 PM
OK, no Pemberley on the list of nominations.  Any more suggestions?  We'll stay open a little longer and then vote.

A play?  Would you like to read a play this time?  Henry Ibsen's   A Doll's House  (http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/flagship-project-activities/memory-of-the-world/register/full-list-of-registered-heritage/registered-heritage-page-4/henrik-ibsen-a-dolls-house/) has been staged throughout the world, and still is - one and a half century later.  It's available online too.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 04, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
Ouch JoanP for me I rather read something more up-beat that takes me away from the concerns in life - this sounds like another version of Tuesday with Morrie only this time two women and the issue is cancer.
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Post by: JoanP on August 04, 2013, 06:06:17 PM
I know what you mean, Barb. (Barbara is talking about   Helen Garner's The Spare Room which I had posted for about two minutes - took it out and replaced it with A Doll's House.) What do you think of a play?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 04, 2013, 06:08:46 PM
Ah good choice - like that...
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Post by: marcie on August 04, 2013, 09:58:12 PM
I too would read The Doll House.

What do you think about THE GOOD EARTH? We disscussed it on SeniorNet.org but that was in 2000. Or another book by Pearl Buck? A novel written shortly before her death in 1973 was recently found and will likely be published this Fall but it's probably not a good idea to choose a new book because of the cost. The publicity around the new book will generate interest in her.

See the article about the found novel at http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/business/media/a-pearl-buck-novel-new-after-4-decades.html
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Post by: JoanP on August 04, 2013, 10:38:23 PM
Another of Pearl Buck's novels...to be published 40 years after her death! That's amazing! I see talk of The Good Earth in the Library too.   I'll put both of these titles in the heading.  What a good idea, Marcie - thanks!
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Post by: nlhome on August 05, 2013, 04:16:47 PM
JoanP, just got back to the computer from several days of house guests and fun. I remember the Awakening because it seems I run across copies of it at used books sales frequently - always pick it up and consider it, but don't buy it to reread. I'm thinking what appealed back then were the women's issues it raised in my mind.
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Post by: marcie on August 05, 2013, 09:40:35 PM
nlhome, as you likely know Pearl Buck is known as someone who was concerned with women's issues also.
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Post by: JudeS on August 06, 2013, 12:28:14 AM
Are any of you familiar with "Wolf Hall" by Hilary Mantel? It won the Man Booker Prize in 2009.

It deals with history, intrigue, passion and politics in the Years of Henry the VIII who was the person that was instrumental in England's breaking with the Catholic Church which refused to give him a divorce  from his wife of 20 years.

We know he had six wives. But why and how did this happen? What was life really like at court and in the countryside during his reign?
Told through the eyes of a "commoner" ,Thomas Cromwell, who has made his way into the Court .
This is the first of the three book series.

Even if you don't choose this book to discuss, read it and feel yourself engulfed in the world of yesteryear.
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Post by: JoanP on August 06, 2013, 12:19:27 PM
I agree with what you say about , Hilary Mantel's "Wolf Hall," Jude.  It is a fantastic read.  HOWEVER, when it's been nominated for discussion here in the past, there has been strong questionning and protest of its veracity - for this reason we circle around it.  It's a wonder the Man Booker people didn't pick up on it, don't you think?

We have a large field from which to choose this time...I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have two votes, one to narrow the list, the other to pick the winner.

You can vote here - or in the header - but just ONCE!  Before you go into the poll booth, you might want to read about the nominees - the titles in the header are all links to reviews.

  VOTE HERE FOR September Book Club DISCUSSION (press this link) (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/53VYWHX)



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Post by: JeanneP on August 06, 2013, 12:54:06 PM
Do we have to vote for a older book that every one has read. I just read a book by a first time author. Very good. If we could vote in new ones people still have time to read them.

I would like to read "good Earth  " again.
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Post by: JoanP on August 06, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
We do read first time authors too, Jeanne.  The problem is that if we choose to read them when they first come out, libraries don't have enough copies...too early for paperback.  Next time, nominate a title, before the vote begins...and we'll talk about its availability, okay?  In the meantime, did you vote?  There's a link to the poll in the header - the first post at the top of the page.  Hope to hear from you...Good Earth is on that list, you'll notice. 
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Post by: Tomereader1 on August 06, 2013, 05:25:52 PM
I don't think Wolf Hall is meant to be taken as "verifiable history".   Isn't it just "novelized history" which so much of the writing is nowadays?  I'm sure there are a few among us who are history afficianados, and consider reading historicals as "each and every line, character, happening, motivation" must be absolutely, unequivocally true.  For that, I would recommend taking a history class somewhere, or reading a history text.  And, who writes history anyway? Just mortals, who search, research, and form their own determination of what really happened 400 years ago.
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Post by: ginny on August 07, 2013, 06:53:31 AM
 What an interesting discussion on what constitutes "history." Too bad it's not in the Library where more people can see it and participate.

What draws a person to a book, which is set in a particular time and is a fictionalized account of a real person?

It can't be the writing in this one,  which has been routinely panned despite the Man Booker, in both of Mantel's books. People get tired of feeling stupid, of not knowing what she's talking about, and the main complaint is dealing with  sentences with several people mentioned and the vague "he said to him," with no hint or clue who "he" or "him" are. Guess, Dear Reader.

I believe, and I may be wrong, that people who are drawn to reading a fictionalized account of an historical event expect to enjoy themselves, and  hope, in the end, that they will learn a little  something and enjoy doing it.  I believe they do expect to know more about the subject.

They feel, for the time they have expended, whether  they've immersed themselves in it (by watching Jeremy Irons as Rodrigo Borgia on TV or reading Wolf Hall), that they have a better feeling for the events and they can talk about them with friends or at least privately feel they  know something they didn't before.

I would be willing to bet there is not one person who reads historical fiction  who doesn't harbor that hope.

I think it's our culture. We live now in an age of instant  Internet, where everybody is an instant expert in anything, just declare yourself so and bingo!  An age of revisionist history where  people who don't know any to begin with and can find instant internet confirmation, particularly on Wikipedia, of the craziest theories.  Who cares?  Why bother to do it the hard way?  If one goes about with the wrong interpretations of Cromwell, unless one runs into somebody who does know the difference, (which is probably going to be a rare occasion), one is safe. What's wrong with that?

I think there's a lot wrong with it.  Why rewrite history and promulgate ignorance, because that's what it is? Is the reader supposed to know somehow? If an author researches things so well, why has she NOT written history? It's just a label, right? History/ Historical Fiction.  Why fiction? Because she's not writing what really happened, maybe and she is putting her own 2013 spin on the past?

I personally, other than a distaste for Mantel (couldn't get thru either of her books and donated them both to the library which seems to have a LOT of copies :))  and having read the critical reaction when it came out from people who have taken the time to really study the subjects, think this kind of book  cheats the reader. In some ways it makes a fool of the reader for his efforts.

 Here's a great story, why not set it in your own neighborhood? The royals are romantic? Then pick an obscure king about whom nothing is known, say so, and  have at it? Make it up. Say you've made it up.(Maybe she thinks people understand that by the word "Fiction.")

As you can see I have a lot of problems with historical fiction. I know there are some good ones out there, I know people enjoy reading them,  but there are some very  bad ones, too, which give the wrong impression and promote...sorry....ignorance. And if you actively promote ignorance when people are trying to actually learn and enjoy,  I think it's a sad day for literacy.  Like the old expression, fool me once, shame on you.

That's my opinion and I'll  yield the soapbox now (where did that expression come from) to the next person. :)



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Post by: Frybabe on August 07, 2013, 09:23:23 AM
I have to agree, Ginny. On the whole I do not read historical fiction and when I do, I expect history to be presented in a mostly accurate way. The same problem exists with movies. How many times have you run across people who believe that what they saw in historical movies actually happened? Such misinformation colors and pollutes thinking that can and does affect the future. Propaganda books and movies, whether in the guise of fiction or not, with a definite skewed agenda are the worst.

Having said that, it got me to thinking about the SciFi I love to read. I have no clue whether or not whether the science and technology behind some of the things that are written are valid or theoretically possible. I've seen quite a few reviewers who point out that the author has it wrong when explaining technical or theoretical advances. I take note, but keep reading. After all, what we think possible now seems to change and expand as we barrel ahead into the future.

History is static. We need to have a good grounding in what already happened in order not to repeat mistakes in the future. The future is fluid, but advances depend in no small part to knowledge of past events and technologies. Civilizations that lose that knowledge or not longer pay attention to history's lessons disappear or are severely curtailed.
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Post by: MaryPage on August 07, 2013, 09:53:53 AM
Ginny, you put the case very well.
History has been the passion of my life.  There is enough in it that no one need add any fiction.
I have certainly enjoyed some fine historical fiction.  And I do not mind that the author has to put words in the mouths of the characters in order to have any dialog at all other than that which is on record.  I do not mind as long as it has a probability or possibility to it.
But any author who changes the facts upsets me dreadfully, for the very reasons you have laid out.  Many, many readers are out there who love historical fiction, but have never enjoyed the study of pure history.  The result can be generations who believe certain fables are absolute truth, and that distorts some very important things we really need to know the truth about.
I strongly believe with all my heart that if we were ALL lovers of our real history, we would not repeat over and over again so many disastrous mistakes the human species keeps on and on with.  We would KNOW from our past exactly which way measures taken would lead us, and we would choose not to take them again.
Sigh!  Most of us learn almost no history, and most of the rest only know the romantic tales.  We do not know the details of forms of governing and laws laid down that have wrought misery upon the public, and so, in all ignorance, we try the bad ones again and again.
As a species, we most definitely flunk learning from our mistakes, and this is all down to our not taking the trouble to learn how and why previous paradigms have failed us.
Shoot, the vast majority of us do not have a clue that we've already been there and done that!
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Post by: ANNIE on August 07, 2013, 12:45:02 PM
OMG, what will we do with Ken Follett's wonderful books like "Pillars of the Earth" or Rutherford's titles, "The Forest" and "London"???When one knows what one is reading, historical FICTION,  one puts their mind in that place.  Historical fiction is just that but there are so many good authors out there who do extensive research when writing any fiction that if I question any statements made, there's always Google!  Even Laurie King's Russell-Holmes books are researched(and I do check, many times, out of pure curiosity).  I don't always read to learn but to enjoy.  Much of the historical fiction is certainly questionable but that's only clear to pure historians, which I am not.  I appreciate the fleshing out of the past with interesting people and their lives.  The first semi bio that I read led to reading many others and how fortunate we are to have authors who peak our interests.  How many of us read Chastain's many bios?  How many of us sing praises for Follet and Rutherford?  How  pleasant it is to read and then check up on history.  But don't believe the stuff on WIKI unless you check it out.  I can't say enough good things about the authors who bring us stories about the history of our world.  They write their characters into the plots and tease us along with fictional characters who might have lived in that time or that place.  How they use the "back then" languages and happenings to help us see some history that we might never have been curious about. 
I have always been fascinated with the Impressionists' art but its partly because I have read the many books concerning their lives. "The Luncheon of the Boating Party" by Susan Vreeland, "David" by Mary Hoffman, Author  who wrote of Michelangelo, and so many others.  There was an excellent book about John Freeman, senator from CA, Varina Howell Davis, Jeff Davis' wife.  All that I have delved into have made me want to know more about that person's life or that city's history.  Because of historical fiction, I have always looked into art exhibits, historical tours, anything pertaining to how we got to this point as a people.  How many of us the history of Hawaii and how it was taken over by the US.  It was a country with a Queen, and we thought it was okay to declare it another American property.  We went on several historical tours while there and just shook our heads at what happened to it.
 
I just found a "new to me" historical novel about the Plantagenets and Elizabeth Woodville,the consort of Edward IV, King of England and the mystery that has confounded historians for centuries: the missing princes in the Tower of London whose fate is still unknown. There are so many ways to discover our history and do enjoy my reading.  I guess I am just not a purist.
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Post by: nlhome on August 07, 2013, 02:40:18 PM
I mostly read historical mysteries, and when I do, I often find myself reading articles or parts of books to learn how much of my book plot and setting is fact-based.
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Post by: MaryPage on August 07, 2013, 02:54:07 PM
I have found that most authors of historical fiction make every effort to fit their stories into the real framework of the true historical dates, people, and happenings.
It is the newer breed of today who don't give a fig and have famous people traveling to countries they never, ever in their lifetimes visited and/or meeting with other famous people they never met, or working some miracle of time and place that just was not part of the historical record, that are driving me nuts.  Shoot, they even have them inventing things or writing things they never invented or wrote.
This is a free country, and no one can stop them from doing it.  Nor would I wish they could be stopped by anyone or anything.  I just wish wholeheartedly they would not do it!
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Post by: Dana on August 07, 2013, 02:56:56 PM
I agree with you nlhome.  An interesting historical novel, or movie, often prompts me to find out more--for example,I recently saw the German movie Frederick the Great and am just now reading a biography of Frederick..And a fascinating person he is, too.....!

Oh, and about 10 years ago I read Colleen McCullough's ancient Rome series.  Since then I've read countless (well I think 4) biographies of Caesar, taken up Latin again and have translated most of the Gallic wars up till now.....all thanks to Colleen!!   (Also Cicero etc, thanks to Ginny!)
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 07, 2013, 03:13:55 PM
Well the whole thing to me is very very confusing - I have read several versions of History that was not supposed to be fictional -

I have read about the same period from the view point of differing sides in a conflict and you would never know unless you had some background that they were writing about what caused the same event.

I have read various versions of the same historical period by different professors, sometimes writing from the same national culture like British or American university professors and the story they weave has a different motive or other events are included that significantly change the motive for the historical event or the viewpoint of the event. They then proceed to label principle characters differently.

I have read about a period of history and then archeologists or a farmer plowing his field digs up artifact that change the factors involved in an event or the understanding of the event there after putting into question all the history we knew and read of the times.

Now I do know, as we all now know, that two people looking at the same accident will observe it differently and even assume a different cause and effect - it is why police do not settle for one description but question all who were privy to the accident.

Is this true of history and we just never came to terms with that as a factor - we know reading a book we bring with us our personal experience and value system - are historians reading everything ever written about a person, time, event in history - are they visiting the site, although changed where the event took place - do they have a handle on the values of the culture when the event took place or are the painting unknowingly their values on the event.

I do know that some of the recent historian visit and interview anyone that was part of the circle that touched on the time or character - I have been most impressed with Robert A. Caro, a New Yorker who has spent years living and being a part of the Austin and Hill Country community, partaking in all the cultural events many times with the friends and children of the friends of President Johnson to be able to more accurately portray the man, quickly learning there is a vast difference in Johnson's home environment and culture as compared to his own.

Seldom do we read simply a list of timed events - we are given the cause and the whys and the wherefores - we trust they are correct - but do we really know what is truth. We do not know if the historian immersed himself in the environment and culture of the players he or she is writing about.

Then I compare to historical fiction - years ago I read and enjoyed Thomas B. Costain - loved the stories - they were filled with appropriate atmosphere as he resurrected the culture and the surroundings - was his work accurate? I do not know. He used the names of historical figures but his books were located in the fiction section of the library not the section with the history books.

I started Wolf Hall when it first hit the shelves - thought it started off rough and then when I realized the time in history and the characters were historical, written about ad infinitum I set the book aside - was shocked to see it receive so many awards but just never picked it up - it's still squeezed in a drawer that further extends my library between BlackBird House by Alice Hoffman and Matthew Kneale's English Passengers.

I think it was last summer but maybe the year before I read The Tower, The Zoo, and The Tortoise - cute bit of whimsy - in the process I learned a lot of bits and pieces about folks who were sent to the tower - how they lived while in residence - essentially the atmosphere that is usually not included in a history of the person or event - I learned the litany of who was held in the tower and that was actually helpful since I read in history about this one and that one but never put together all those who were made occupants of the tower. A history book - no - did I expect a history book - no - was I shocked to learn some real history - yes.

I think the difference was I knew Julia Stuart was writing a bit of fluff using historical facts and characters where as I did not get the impression Hilary Mary Mantel was going for fluff or stopping at adding atmosphere to our understanding of the meaning of what the goings on of Cromwell and Henry VIII etc.. I guess we can all have our insights but these individual insights are simply bringing into the events our own cultural interpretations unless we pull off what Robert A. Caro is doing to explain President Johnson and the events he touched.

Since then Booker did not even consider Thomas A. Costain for an award in the 1930's 40's or 50's I wonder why and how Hilary Mary Mantel became a contender in 2009 - ah so... then I thought Alison Weir did a pretty good job with the history as we know it when she wrote her novel The Princes in the Tower but evidently not good enough for the review panel of Booker Mann -

And so how do we measure a worthwhile book - I think we may all use different measuring sticks - some of us want accuracy that I question how accurate is history and others of us are looking for a rousing story and still others of us are looking for atmosphere and the culture of the times - and then there are those who decide the value of a book based on the awards bestowed on it by the opinion of others, granted usually educated in critiquing literature.

For me if I am reading history I am not satisfied with one author or even two - there are always over lapping events that give another viewpoint and I always need to read about the culture where and when the principle characters lived - and so for me if it is history it involved many books - a historical novel I approach with a smile and expect to be dazzled with fluff, innuendo, with an outline of facts used as the bones to hold the storyline together.

I guess we each have our way of looking at and enjoying Historical Fiction - I just do not see a right or wrong way of reading however, I do hate that inaccuracy becomes factual for many in society and the facts are denied or not known by many. We know the victor writes history that is included in Historical Fiction however, amazing how average folks determine a point of view if they were on the side of victory.
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Post by: MaryPage on August 07, 2013, 06:32:37 PM
Well, and we know that the victor wrote the histories and all of the histories and the only histories for centuries and centuries.  It has taken painstaking research in the field and in the libraries and attics to come up with some alternative facts, and this we know!
I have recently read so many books about the twenties and thirties and forties and even fifties that have had dozens of little aggravating mistakes.  Things that were not yet invented being used in the story, or sayings that were never yet said back then, and attitudes that simply were not heard of back then.  I think no matter how hard people TRY, it is impossible to get it purely right.
Still, I find it disappointing in a sort of painfully nostalgic way that most cannot seem to capture the flavor of the way it was, not to mention the details.
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Post by: JudeS on August 08, 2013, 12:30:53 PM
Why did Mantel win the Man Booker prize?
Well as one article put it ,
"Cromwell is still wildly seen as the warty toad in the garden of Henry VIII."
Mantel has succeeded in making him into a believable human being. A man, born to a brutal Blacksmith, who learns law and manages to become part of the court and adviser to the thrown.
This book flew off the shelves not because of its veracity but because we identify with the main character. Is it a mixed bag of historical fact and fiction?
Perhaps.
However, we the ignorant public,are not history buffs but simply readers after a good story where the underdog succeeds.

Personally, I suggested this book to learn from you folks, who are steeped in historical facts, to see how you would tease out fact from fiction. But as it is not to be I will have to remember not to believe everything I read.

Oh, I just remembered...I learned not to do that in third grade.
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Post by: JoanP on August 08, 2013, 06:35:58 PM
As you can see, we hesitated to include Wolf Hall in the upcoming selection for September.  So where will your vote go?  Clearly we will need a run-off vote, judging from early returns.

For those of you who have not voted, the poll is open until Monday.  Please let us know where your interest lies... Remember the titles in the heading here are all links to descriptions of the books...


  VOTE HERE FOR September Book Club DISCUSSION (press this link) (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/53VYWHX)
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Post by: Frybabe on August 09, 2013, 07:05:22 PM
Since we were talking about historical fiction and I know a lot of you have read and like Phillipa Gregory, I thought I'd just mention (if you don't already know) that StarZ is going to be running The White Queen series beginning tomorrow night.
http://www.starz.com/originals/thewhitequeen  I don't get Starz.
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Post by: JoanP on August 12, 2013, 12:13:26 PM
One more day to vote for September's group discussion...be sure to let your voice be heard - the link to the Survey Poll is in the header here.
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Post by: JoanP on August 14, 2013, 05:45:31 PM
So happy that you all selected The Good Earth for September.  It's been so long since I first read it - that I've forgotten the story - I remember the title, and I know Pearl Buck is still talked about.  I just don't remember exactly why.  I did intend to find out.  My son lives in Lynchburg, VA, two blocks from Randolf College, where this sign is located.  He sometimes asks me if I've read The Good Earth, as we walk by with the dogs.  I've given him a vague answer like, "hasn't everyone  read it?  This time I'm going to read it - next time, I'll give him a decent answer.
(http://seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/goodearth/Pearlbucksign.jpg)


How about you?  Have you ever read it?  If yes, how long ago?  We'd really love for you to join us in September and discover  together (discover again?)  - why her popularity has continued so long.

Please join us today and let us know if you can make it into the discussion on September 2?  We'll be gathering here -  The Good Earth (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3912.0)
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Post by: marjifay on August 15, 2013, 09:47:14 AM
Yes, I read THE GOOD EARTH.  Wonderful book.  But I won't be re-reading it.  Have too many other good books waiting (you know, "so many books, so little time.")  Enjoy it.

Marj
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 15, 2013, 11:16:38 AM
Hate to add to the downbeat but I too read the Good Earth not only the last time we did it but back when I was young - twice is enough and I do remember at the time we read it purchasing several of her other books that are still in their cellophane wrapper and so this may be when I finally take on the Imperial Woman and the Pavilion of Women - remember reading many years ago Dragon Seed but never read  East Wind: West Wind so I may look that one as well.

My grandson just came back from spending 8 weeks in Hunan China - he was shocked with all the fried food and astounded the Chinese were so thin eating fried food everyday - he also learned that the typical stance is to squat. He had problems but as he said it was good practice since he suffers with shortened tendons at the back of his ankles. He had a great time and with no choice but to speak Chinese everyday his vocabulary increased. Just back and turns around to start studies at UNC Chapel Hill on Monday.
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Post by: marjifay on August 16, 2013, 07:38:27 AM
Thanks, Barb, for listing other books by Pearl Buck.  I've put them to my TBR list.  

Good for your grandson traveling to China.  I've traveled a lot, and always wished I'd made it there.  I'm a bit old to give it a go now.  But I can still read about it.  A good book I read is China Road by Rob Gifford (352 pp, 2008).  Gifford had been a PBS correspondent from China for several years.  He decided to travel (mostly by hitchhiking) on China's new highway from Shanghai, 3000 miles across China along their old Silk Road, and through the Gobi Desert, to the border of one of the "-stan" countries.  Fascinating book.  He speaks good Chinese, and talked with people in all the towns where he stopped, and told some of the history of the different areas.  Very interesting to hear the people's comments on their country.  

Marj

marj
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Post by: JoanP on August 17, 2013, 04:21:16 PM
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  December Book Club Online Nominations Now!
 
INSPRIATIONAL rather than Nostalgic:

November Book Club Online:
Tracy Chevalier's Remarkable Creatures (http://www.theguardian.com/science/the-h-word/2013/aug/21/photograph-mary-anning-women-history-geology)      


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
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Post by: JoanP on August 20, 2013, 09:45:55 AM
It's almost September, we're on our way with The Good Earth...hopefully you will join us as we take a close look on the first women to win Nobel Prize and whose work is still having an impact today.  We're gathering right here -   The Good Earth by Pearl Buck (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3912.0)


Not only are we beginning the September discussion, but it's time to start consideration of an October selection.  We'll start to put your nominations in the heading now.  
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Post by: PatH on August 27, 2013, 08:51:19 PM
What about doing another Jane Austen?  We enjoyed Mansfield Park a while back, and talked a lot about the TV movie of Pride and Prejudice.  Maybe Persuasion?  But they're all good.
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Post by: JoanP on August 27, 2013, 09:01:55 PM
Let's start putting the suggestions in the heading.  Jane Austen does seem to be a SeniorLearn favorite.

What else?
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Post by: marcie on August 28, 2013, 11:30:00 PM
Persuasion would be great!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 29, 2013, 12:54:00 PM
we are going to need more than one book to consider and so I would still like for us to consider The Old Devils by Kingsley Amis or even as one poster said Lord Jim by Kingsley Amis
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Post by: ANNIE on August 29, 2013, 12:56:42 PM
I just finished "The Technologists" by Matthew Pearl.  A historical mystery and quite good.  All about the founding of MIT and Harvard's involvement.  He uses and names many of the people who were truly involved in this history of MIT and then, puts his fictional team of student detectives on the hunt for a violent perpetrator who seems to be trying to destroy Boston.

 From Book Browse:
                                                  BOOK SUMMARY

The acclaimed author of The Dante Club reinvigorates the historical thriller. Matthew Pearl's spellbinding new novel transports readers to tumultuous nineteenth-century Boston, where the word "technology" represents a bold and frightening new concept. The fight for the future will hinge on...

The Technologists

Boston, 1868. The Civil War may be over but a new war has begun, one between the past and the present, tradition and technology. On a former marshy wasteland, the daring Massachusetts Institute of Technology is rising, its mission to harness science for the benefit of all and to open the doors of opportunity to everyone of merit. But in Boston Harbor a fiery cataclysm throws commerce into chaos, as ships' instruments spin inexplicably out of control. Soon after, another mysterious catastrophe devastates the heart of the city. Is it sabotage by scientific means or Nature revolting against man's attempt to control it?

The shocking disasters cast a pall over M.I.T. and provoke assaults from all sides - rival Harvard, labor unions, and a sensationalistic press. With their first graduation and the very survival of their groundbreaking college now in doubt, a band of the Institute's best and brightest students secretly come together to save innocent lives and track down the truth, armed with ingenuity and their unique scientific training.
 
Led by "charity scholar" Marcus Mansfield, a quiet Civil War veteran and one-time machinist struggling to find his footing in rarefied Boston society, the group is rounded out by irrepressible Robert Richards, the bluest of Beacon Hill bluebloods; Edwin Hoyt, class genius; and brilliant freshman Ellen Swallow, the Institute's lone, ostracized female student. Working against their small secret society, from within and without, are the arrayed forces of a stratified culture determined to resist change at all costs and a dark mastermind bent on the utter destruction of the city.
 
Studded with suspense and soaked in the rich historical atmosphere for which its author is renowned, The Technologists is a dazzling journey into a dangerous world not so very far from our own, as the America we know today begins to shimmer into being.


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Post by: Frybabe on August 29, 2013, 01:30:20 PM
Did you mean Joseph Conrad for Lord Jim, Barb?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 29, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
Whoops Lucky Jim by Kingsley Amis

http://www.amazon.com/Lucky-York-Review-Books-Classics/dp/1590175751/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377799372&sr=1-1&keywords=kingsley+amis+lucky+jim
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Post by: marcie on August 29, 2013, 07:05:25 PM
Annie, I too liked THE TECHNOLOGISTS.
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Post by: PatH on August 29, 2013, 07:46:13 PM
And I've been meaning to read The Technologists, would be pleased to discuss it.

I read Lucky Jim decades ago and liked it.  It would be interesting to see how it wears, whether it is now dated.
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Post by: pedln on August 30, 2013, 01:05:03 PM
Annie, Matthew is a favorite of mine and I"ve been wanting to read The Technologists since way before it published.  It was published either the day before or the day of my MIT grad son's birthday, so that's what he got that February a year ago.    Son has never said aye, yes, or no, but I think he'll soon have to give it up to Mom.
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Post by: pedln on August 30, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
Remember Bruce Frankel and his What Should I Do With the Rest of My Life, featuring seniors who made major accomplishments in their later years, including none other than our Robbie who lead our “ Story of Civilization” for so many years?  He spoke to SeniorLearners who gathered in NY a few years ago.

Also featured in his book was Harry Bernstein, who had always wanted to write about his life, but it wasn't until after his wife died and he was in his 90's that he wrote his first book, The Invisible Wall, about his early childhood in an English village.  The Jews lived on one side of the street and the Gentiles on the other and an imaginary line down the middle of the street seemed like a wall separating them.  After this book was published, Bernstein went on to finish his trilogy.  He died a few years ago at age 100 0r 101.  (Bruce Frankel helped him celebrate his 100th birthday.)

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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 31, 2013, 07:48:00 PM
Where do we go to vote?
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Post by: JoanP on August 31, 2013, 08:12:37 PM


  "VOTE HERE" (click this link)  (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/63R8X5H) for October Book Club Online


Titles below are linked to reviews or descriptions


Title
Author
Persuasion (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2156.Persuasion)                    Jane Austen
The Technologists (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/books/review/the-technologists-matthew-pearls-new-thriller.html?_r=0)                    Matthew Pearl
Lucky Jim (http://www.amazon.com/Lucky-York-Review-Books-Classics/dp/1590175751/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377799372&sr=1-1&keywords=kingsley+amis+lucky+jim)                    Kingsley Amis
The Invisible Wall (http://www.amazon.com/The-Invisible-Wall-Story-Barriers/dp/0345496108/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377445611&sr=8-1&keywords=invisible+wall)                    Harry Bernstein
Remarkable Creatures (http://www.theguardian.com/science/the-h-word/2013/aug/21/photograph-mary-anning-women-history-geology)                    Tracy Chevalier
Master and Commander (http://books.wwnorton.com/books/Author.aspx?id=4929)                    Patrick O'Brian
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Post by: PatH on September 01, 2013, 08:41:10 AM
How many are we voting for?  I like to make up my mind before going to the ballot.
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Post by: JoanP on September 01, 2013, 08:44:53 AM
Good question, Pat.  There are two questions in the poll - First - your #1 choice and then the Second question asks for your top three, which will include your first choice as one of the three.
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Post by: PatH on September 01, 2013, 08:45:55 AM
Thanks.  That's a good way of doing it.
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Post by: Frybabe on September 01, 2013, 09:32:20 AM
I voted, but oh, what a tough decision.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on September 01, 2013, 11:27:56 AM
Yes, I agree, it was tough this time
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Post by: PatH on September 01, 2013, 09:01:24 PM
Indeed.  All of them are books I wouldn't mind discussing.
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Post by: bellamarie on September 02, 2013, 05:52:25 PM
I have never read anything by Matthew Pearl, but  "The Technologists" sounds very interesting to me.
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Post by: UKLA13 on September 05, 2013, 10:46:51 AM
I too am intrigued by THE TECHNOLOGISTS, but REMARKABLE CREATURES is a good read also.

oops...did I just give away my votes.  ;)
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Post by: JoanP on September 05, 2013, 10:49:47 AM
 ;D  Naah.  We can't tell where your votes went, UKLA...
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Post by: JoanP on September 16, 2013, 10:16:51 AM


Dropped in this morning to let you know of upcoming discussions, resulting from the recent vote for our Book Club Online discussions.  We'll be doing Jane Austen's Persuasion  and Remarkable Creatures in the upcoming months.  Thank you for voting!  Hopefully you will join us in both of these.

Persuasion will begin on October 1 - the Prediscussion has just opened here:  Persuasion Prediscussion  (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3997.0) - I copied this description from the heading of that discussion:

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"Here, Austen abandons the young heroines of her earlier works and presents us with a fully mature woman who fears that her chance of happiness has already passed. Austen finished Persuasion just before her death at age 41. It is her last book, and some feel her best."

We'll begin Remarkable Creatures in November. More about that later...
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 04, 2013, 03:33:26 PM
Two good books that I have read recently - our book club here chose them and, although I don't attend as I don't approve of the way in which it is run (chaotic), they seem to pick some good books to discuss.

MUDBOUND by Hillary Jordan ("Downright Breathlesss") - Washington Post

BROTHER, I'M DYING by Edwidge Danticat  -("Magic is Edwidge Danticat who taps on her keyboard to the rhythm of angels.") - Nikki Giovanni   - a truly gifted writer - Ella   Her book "Breath, Eyes, Memory was a National Book Award finalist, I think I read.
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Post by: JoanP on October 04, 2013, 10:16:40 PM
Sound interesting, Ella. Funny  book club...they can pick them , but discussions not so good.

As soon as I get home to computer, will try to find out more about them. Mudbound is ringing a bell, but right  now don't remember what it was about!
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 05, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
YEs, true, JOANP.   The group I have just discovered is down to two members; perhaps they will learn that the man who runs the thing (he started it and never fails to remind anyone) is running it into the ground.  He's an arrogant____________.  

Both books are good.  Mudbound (winner of the Bellwether Prize for Fiction - whatever that is!) is the story of two families after WWII trying to survive on a ramshackle farm near a small Southern town, one family white; the other black.

Jordan has a BA in English and political science from Wellesley College and an MFA in creative writing from Columbia   University.  (That's exactly where I am going in my  next life and what I am going to study)  On reading further the Bellweather Prize is awarded biennially to a debut novel that addresses issues of social justice.   (we need a bit of that - a lot of that - in today's world)  A readers' guide in the back of the paperback book.

One of Danticat's books - THE DEW BREAKER was a PEN/Faulkner Award finalist and her other book, BREATH, EYES, MEMORY a National Book Award finalist  The BROTHER book  is a memoir.
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Post by: JoanP on October 25, 2013, 12:37:19 PM
Ella, we're going to consider your suggestions for January or February, as soon as we get the holidays behind us, okay?

December - the holidays - the preparations for the holidays!
In the past, we've spent this holiday month talking about how we celebrate them, the food, the seasonal stories.  One of our Discussion Leaders had an idea for something a little different this year...

from Barbara:

"A thought - how about something different this year - we have done classical Christmas stories and shared our own Christmas pasts as well as, recipes and called it a month of Holiday Memoirs so that the December discussion is like the over-use of holiday decorations, getting old and tiresome - what about doing an inspirational book?-

Here are a some recommendations for inspirational - and I would suggest a novel versus a real life experience - there are so many individuals sharing inspiration and often the real life story is harder to separate the personality from any inspiration we can discuss.

The Alchemist – Paulo Coelho

This allegorical novel by Paulo Coelho is an inspirational bestselling classic - this acts as a metaphor of life as the narrative take us on the journey of a shepherd boy’s quest for treasure.

The Noticer – Andy Andrews

Chock full of wisdom it follows the story of a mysterious old man known as  ‘Jones’ who turns up in people’s lives and notices stuff that they miss, and then gives them the best gift of all; perspective.  Heard it is a page turner.

Walking Through Winter - Edwin Way Teale

Naturalist's Pulitzer Prize-winning fourth book documenting the North American seasons. Edwin Way Teale follows winter diagonally across the country in a 20,000-mile journey from Southern California to Northern Maine. Her other books include, North with the Spring, continue with Journey Into Summer, and finish the year with Autumn Across America.

The Shack: Where Tragedy Confronts Eternity - Wm. Paul Young

A father's youngest daughter has been abducted during a family vacation. She may have been brutally murdered but she is found in an abandoned shack deep in the Oregon wilderness. Four years later in the midst of his "Great Sadness," the father receives a suspicious note, apparently from God, inviting him back to that shack for a weekend.

The Little Prince - Antoine de Saint Exupery:

French classic is a touching fable about love, loneliness and the many trivialities of adult life - great for accumulating inspiring quotes.

What do you think of this idea?  You might want to suggest one of your own.  I can find links for any of the above suggestions that you might be interested in...

Comments? We'd really like to read something together that interests YOU!
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Post by: marcie on October 27, 2013, 01:51:27 PM
I don't think this is a December read but I'd like to nominate DUNE by Frank Herbert for January or later. I'm posting now because I just read a July 2013 article about why DUNE, written in 1965, still matters. The article is at http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/07/dune-endures.html  IF YOU HAVEN'T READ DUNE, THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS SPOILERS.
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Post by: PatH on October 27, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
That's a good article, makes a good case, but it's full of spoilers, so anyone who hasn't read Dune should be warned.

I agree Dune would not be a December read.  It's long, and though it sucks you in it's not an easy read.
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Post by: Frybabe on October 27, 2013, 02:28:12 PM
I've read The Alchemist and got nothing out of it.

Dune is interesting. I read the book and have seen both movie/TV versions. I thought the differences between the last two were interesting. Mostly, the first version seemed to emphasize the prophetic/mystic and slowly gained followers and believers; the second emphasized the political power struggle more with the mystics and prophesies used more as a way to gain enough power to overthrow the Harkonen empire. I preferred the first rendition. It will likely take more than a month to read and discuss. Now, off to read your article Marcie.

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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 27, 2013, 02:36:33 PM
Isn't Dune a series of about 6 or 7 books - something about one of them being The Children of the Dune - is this a science fiction series?
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Post by: Frybabe on October 27, 2013, 02:42:23 PM
Barb, Herbert himself did several (three?) sequels to Dune. His son continued the Dune universe with some too. I don't know how many. Oh, here is the official Dune website with all the books. http://www.dunenovels.com/
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 27, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
Thanks Frybabe - so it is science fiction - sounds like with a message for today - golly his name is so close to Ron Hubbard - has anyone read the new book, "Going Clear," that is supposed to be according to the author not so much an exposé but an explanation of Scientology.
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Post by: Frybabe on October 27, 2013, 03:30:08 PM
I don't think I have ever read any of Ron Hubbard's stuff. Didn't he start out as a Scifi writer?

Regarding the Dune sequels, I never read any farther than the first one because reviewers said the others grow "darker". I saw some of the Dune TV miniseries which did follow the other books, and it seems the whole thing pretty much comes full circle with Paul's progeny vying for power and Paul himself feeling omnipotent. Reminds me of the comment someone (forget who) said that power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Post by: marjifay on October 28, 2013, 08:59:25 AM
Ron Hubbard (actually L. Ron Hubbard), besides writing science fiction and fantasy, founded the Church of Scientology and developed a self-help system called Dionetics.
From what I've heard, to join that church costs a lot of money.

Marj
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 28, 2013, 05:01:12 PM
Marj have you read the new book that folks are talking about that explains the church of Scientology - the author was on the Evan Smith program explaining his experience as a journalist with the Post getting the information to explain rather then expose only the faults with the church.
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Post by: marcie on October 28, 2013, 10:44:36 PM
Thanks, Pat, for mentioning that the article about the relevance of DUNE has spoilers. I didn't think of that!
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Post by: marjifay on October 29, 2013, 09:20:21 AM
Barb, I'm assuming you mean Going Clear; Scientology, Hollywood and the Prison of Belief by Lawrence Wright.  No I haven't yet read it, but it's on my TBR list.  The author has written some interesting books.  Have you read it?

Marj
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 29, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
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Titles below are all linked to reviews or descriptions

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Title
Author
Killing Kennedy (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13538641-killing-kennedy)                    Bill O'Reilly
Blue Highways (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63832.Blue_Highways)                    William Least Heat-Moon
Mudbound (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2138727.Mudbound)                    Hilary Jordon
Brother, I'm Dying (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/430027.Brother_I_m_Dying)                    Edwidge Danticat
Dune (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/07/dune-endures.html)                    Frank Herbert
Importance of Being Earnest (http://www.bookrags.com/The_Importance_of_Being_Earnest/)                    Oscar Wilde
Vanity Fair (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5797.Vanity_Fair)                    William Makepeace Thackery
Wives and Daughters (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/383206.Wives_and_Daughters)                    Elizabeth Gaskell
The Invisible Wall (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/428223.The_Invisible_Wall)                    Harry Bernstein
Five Days at Memorial (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17704902-five-days-at-memorial)                    Sheri Fink
Ender's Game (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/375802.Ender_s_Game)                    Orson Scott Card
The Virginian   (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/98909.Owen_Wister)                    Owen Wister
She (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/682681.She)                    H. Rider Haggard


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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 29, 2013, 01:04:09 PM
No and trying to decide - usually do not ask for the reaction of others but this time I am - he sounds straight forward and when any group has the attention of many I like to know more about their beliefs - Not sure the book could even answer my question however, I am curious and yet, hesitant - I notice it is not in our library which is not known to ban books - my guess is there is just not that much curiosity.  

Back to selecting a book for December - I love The Little Prince - have not read it in over 30 years but the one that has me curious and sounds like a great inspirational book is The Noticer by Andy Andrews - for awhile there everyone was reading The Shack however, The Noticer sounds more positive.
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Post by: bellamarie on October 29, 2013, 03:56:15 PM
Was browsing around for good winter books to read, and this caught my eye,  The Imperfectionists, By-Tom Rachman

http://bestsellers.about.com/od/fictionreviews/gr/The-Imperfectionists-By-Tom-Rachman-Book-Review.htm

Has anyone read this book or author?  Does it sound interesting for a winter month discussion?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 29, 2013, 07:22:59 PM
Sounds like a good one - after the holidays we need something like this to sink our teeth into - great find...!
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Post by: JoanP on October 30, 2013, 05:03:02 PM
Will keep those two suggestions right here to consider after the Holidays...along with Ella's suggestion.

Barb, I just picked up Andy Andrews' The Noticer from the library. "Sometimes all a person needs is a little perspective."

This is not a long book, only about 150 pages, each chapter a different anecdote with plenty to think about.  I think it would be perfect for  hectic December days with not much time to concentrate on a longer story.

I noted something one of our posters in the Library said..."I tend, though, to shorter pieces now, maybe just the season. I read longer in the summer, may do so again after Christmas. Right now, so much to do."

And this from someone else - "I like the idea of a sort of poll/discussion for December of favorite books. We could open a discussion where people could post about a book they've read that they enjoyed and/or felt was important and/or want to recommend to others. They could post the title and a few sentences about the book."

I like this idea too.  Maybe we could  tie into such a discussion of books we've enjoyed,  some ideas for holiday gift-giving - and how we choose books for others.

Or both at the same time? - The Noticer for those who prefer  to read a book, and book conversation for those who feel overwhelmed in December?. Do you think this would be too much to do at the same time?  Concurrently?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 30, 2013, 05:48:09 PM
I think it is a great idea - almost a duplicate of the Library except for the holiday season - it could almost manage itself with just a heading - The book sounds like a good one for some inspiration - I never read the Shack either but this sounds good especially the concept of separate sections or chapters or whatever the division.

I can help out till a day before I travel on the 19th to my daughter's  - she and I are full up with appointments on the 20th  however, that evening I can pop in and during most of the holiday from her computer - short visit this year - I will be returning on New Year's Eve - I need a few days when I come back plus January can be busy so it would be better if I skipped helping the January choice.
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Post by: jane on October 30, 2013, 07:17:51 PM
That sounds like a good idea, and nothing someone would have to spend time doing questions, etc. for.

Dec. is so busy and people tend not to have time to post or do a lot of research...or at least, that's my take on it.
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Post by: bellamarie on October 31, 2013, 10:20:01 AM
Since it is the 50th Anniversary of the Kennedy presidency, it might be a good idea to read something on him.  He is still the most read about, and talked about President of the U.S.

Killing Kennedy by Bill Oreilly is one of many books we could consider. 

The book has been made into a, made for television movie, which will be on the National Geographic channel on Nov. 10, 2013 at 8:00 p.m.  Rob Lowe plays JFK.  I saw an interview with Lowe, and it is striking how he has gotten the demeanor and accent of JFK, down perfectly.

Ciao for now~
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Post by: marjifay on October 31, 2013, 03:36:29 PM
I wondered why I'd been seeing so many new books out about Kennedy.  I recently read O'Reilly's Killing Kennedy , and found it to be pretty good, in spite of the too many gossipy bits.  The book tells more than just the assassination, covering the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis and other interesting events in his administration, as well as Jackie and his family life.  I'm afraid every time I think of Kennedy I remember reading a book where on his various speaking engagements and other visits around the U.S., as he got off the plane the first thing he'd say to one of his assistants who met him was "Hi!  Where's the broads?"

I have  O'Reilly's Killing Lincoln and Killing Jesus on my TBR list.

Marj
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Post by: JoanP on November 05, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Great Suggestions for 2014! We'll keep them right here and vote on them in January.  I know Ella is coming in with a suggestion for a the new Doris Kearn Goodwin's book, BULLY PULPIT; Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, and the Golden Age of Journalism too.  That should be a good one for the coming year.  Thanks, everyone!


For December we've decided to skip the nostalgic holiday memories as we have in the past...and look ahead.  We'll offer a discussion of one of the inspiring books suggested here sure to get things into perspective.   - Have you heard of Andy Andrew's The Noticer (http://www.andyandrews.com/ms/the-noticer/) - a short book (only 140 pages) of 10 different short stories? Just perfect for the busy holidays ahead.
Some of what he says counters  wisdom: "do sweat the small stuff, because little things can make a big difference as surely as brushstrokes make up a masterpiece".

At the same time, let's share some of the titles we've enjoyed this past year and suggest those for gift giving - to children and adults,  with tips on how to select just the right books!

We'll start that in December - and look forward to your ideas!

Happy Holidays, Everyone!
 
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Post by: bellamarie on November 06, 2013, 10:35:28 AM
marj "Hi!  Where's the broads?"   This is hilarious, the first I ever heard it. 

I purchased Listening In (The Secret White House Recordings of John F. Kennedy) it has 2 audio cds in it. Got it at Books A Million at a great discounted price.  I absolutely love listening to JFK's voice, it is so calm and commanding.  He repeats, intelligence and integrity many times in his conversations with various people, referring to the presidency.  As for his personal life, I suppose he didn't find fidelity high on his list.  I often question, whether the many presidents we know who had numerous affairs, let it interfere with their ability to be commander in chief?  I don't see any where in history it shows it did. A character flaw, indeed!

I look forward to reading The Noticer, sounds perfect for December!
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Post by: marjifay on November 07, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
The Noticer sounds interesting, BellaMarie.

I'm looking forward to reading in December with another group, BLUE HIGHWAYS; A JOURNEY INTO AMERICA by William Least Heat-Moon.  Per the book's description, "Hailed as a masterpiece of American travel writing, Blue Highways is an unforgettable journey along our nation's backroads. William Least Heat-Moon set out with little more than the need to put home behind him and a sense of curiosity about those little towns that get on the map-if they get on at all-only because some cartographer has a blank space to fill: Remote, Oregon; Simplicity, Virginia; New Freedom, Pennsylvania; New Hope, Tennessee; Why, Arizona; Whynot, Mississippi. His adventures, his discoveries, and his recollections of the extraordinary people he encountered along the way amount to a revelation of the true American experience."  (I loved Steinbeck's Travels with Charley.)

A friend and I are leaving Monday for a drive to the Midwest where I lived until I found out there was somewhere else to go and moved to Southern California.  Want to see some of these little towns along the way, and will visit Eisenhower's home and museum in Abilene, KS, Truman's home and museum in Independence Missouri, and then on to Southern Iowa where I went to high school and Omaha, NE where I went to grade school and to see my old home there.  If we're lucky and the weather holds, also want to see the sculptured four presidents at Mt. Rushmore, S. Dakota.   Will probably be disappointed by some of the changes to places which I've not seen in some 60 years, but am looking forward to our trip.

Marj

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Post by: marcie on November 07, 2013, 11:04:07 AM
The book sounds interesting, Marj, and  your trip sounds great! Let us know what you've discovered when you get back (or along the way).
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Post by: nlhome on November 07, 2013, 11:04:57 PM
I read Blue Highways years ago and enjoyed it.
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Post by: JoanP on November 13, 2013, 11:22:50 AM
A change of plans due to the lack of availability of The Noticer - although we did find the first story in the book online.

Today we are considering what are called the Christmas  "cozy*" mysteries -

 *"I find that most of the cozy mysteries that I read take place in a small, picturesque town or village, with characters who I could envision having as neighbors or friends. (Of course, once I find out who the killer is, I wouldn't particularly want that person living next to me!) They are usually not zany people, although an eccentric or two might lurk here and there.  On the whole, they are usually normal, every day characters you might have known at one time in your life.  Cozies don't usually involve a lot of gory details or explicit "adult situations," either."
After reading the description of these novels, please vote your preference - as soon as you can!


1. G.K. Chesterton's Father Brown Christmas mystery (http://www.literaturepage.com/read/chesterton-innocence-of-father-brown-67.html)

2. Inspector Agatha Christie's Poirot's Christmas Mystery   (http://www.readfreeonline.net/OnlineBooks/Adventure_of_the_Christmas_Pudding.html)


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 Thanks!
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Post by: Frybabe on November 14, 2013, 09:07:08 AM
I got a malware alert from my anitvirus software when I clicked on the Poirot's Christmas Mystery link. I hope that is a false alarm, but please be careful and check your computer if you didn't get the message. I remember seeing a Christmas themed Poirot a while back. Nice.
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Post by: JoanP on November 14, 2013, 09:12:21 AM
Thanks, Fry!  Will check it out right away.  Whew!
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Post by: marjifay on November 15, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
Well we had to postpone our trip to the Midwest to see places I hadn't seen in around 60 years.  Someoe threw, of all things, a hard Bosco pear at my front window late one night, shattering pieces of glass all over the living room.  My son insisted that, before I leave on a trip, I get the front windows covered with a material that would keep them from shattering if this happened again.  I can't imagine who would want to do this to my house as I don't know any of my neighbors, so don't have quarrels with anyone.  I think it was probably just a dumb kid, perhaps drunk, who did it for "fun."  In any event after I finally got this done to the windows, we were reluctant to drive to the Midwest because by then it was very cold at night there, and I was afraid of what might happen if our car were to break down at night in the wilds of Nebraska in freezing weather.  We'll wait for warmer weather.

But, since we were in the travel mood, we decided to drive up to see Salt Lake City.  Mistake.  The drive from So. California on the I-15 is really a drag going through Utah.  Nothing but desert with some tiny towns every so often of mostly just houses and one of those tall steepled Mormon churches along the way.  A long very boring drive.  Salt Lake City, tho, is lovely.  Ths State Capitol Building and the Mormon Temple are gorgeous when seen lit up at night.  The Great Salt Lake is nothing much to see, just a big boring dead lake, with no sea birds or animals.  I had heard that Mormons don't drink alcohol, so I looked for liquor stores and didn't see a one, just an occasional sign that said "beer."  We don't imbibe except maybe wine now and then, but it was very different than So. Calif.   There are no call phones along the highways in Utah from which to summon help if your car breaks down.  Oh, and the freeway going thru Utah was the first freeway I'd seen that said "Speed limit 80 miles per hour."  We took advantage of it, especially leaving the state, anxious to get the h..l out of Dodge.

Marj
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Post by: bellamarie on November 16, 2013, 12:41:34 AM
Marj, What a horrible thing to happen to you.  Sometimes, young kids do malicious things for a joke, I am sure it was no one who would have any malice toward you in the neighborhood.  Good decision to wait on your trip due to the weather, I am in Ohio and we are freezing.  Highs only in the 30s & 40s during the day.  My daughter lives in Florida, and if I were retired, I would go stay with her for the coldest months of the winter.  My nephew just moved back to Ohio, after living in Utah for more than 10 years.  He is a loner and outdoorsman, so I suppose the solitude and the mountains is what kept him there so long.  Enjoy your warmth!

Ciao for now~
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Post by: marjifay on November 16, 2013, 05:14:55 AM
Thanks for your sympathy, Bellamarie.  I'm still crying over the $300-plus we had to spend to repair the one window and get them all coated to make them shatter-proof.  

Wow, sounds really cold there in Ohio.  The best time to visit Florida is in the winter time, when their weather is lovely.

Re you nephew, I wonder what you can hunt in Ohio.  When I lived on a farm in Iowa long ago, we hunted rabbits and pheasants.  Our neighbor loved to eat pheasant, but called it "stubble-duck" his made-up word so that his little daughter would not give him away for hunting them in the off-season.  We had one lonely little wild duck who visited our farm's pond.  My dad used to joke that he could hardly wait for hunting season to begin so he could go out there with his shotgun and blast that little duck.  (My dad was Danish, born in Denmark, and used to say that the only thing dumber than a Dane was two Danes.  I don't believe in an afterlife, but wish there were one so that I could talk with him again.)

Marj
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Post by: ANNIE on November 16, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
Is the Poirot a book of short stories? I didn't notice until just now when I went to the Agatha Christie page.   

http://uk.agathachristie.com/christies-work/stories/the-adventure-of-the-christmas-pudding-1/[

The Father Brown Mystery is one book that is 225 page long./color]
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on November 17, 2013, 12:28:49 AM
according to Amazon  

The Adventures of the Christmas Pudding - the Poirot

Paperback: 240 pages

The Flying Stars - the Father Brown

Paperback: 28 pages

added together the two books are 268 pages divided by 4 weeks is 67 pages a week

or 28 pages one week and 80 pages a week for three weeks the Poirot

Our Poirot link shows 24 chapters divided by 3 weeks is 8 chapters a week - many chapters are one page long.
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Post by: marcie on November 17, 2013, 12:43:50 PM
Since THE FLYING STARS is only 28 pages in paperback, I think we could (if we wanted to) discuss it in one week. It's been suggested we could offer BOTH of the stories we are voting on. Individuals could discuss both or either.
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Post by: JoanP on November 20, 2013, 12:32:37 PM
We're still working on December's selection - You'll be the first to hear what we've come up with...

Today we need to concentrate on the January selection.  The nominated titles to date can be found in the heading here.  If you wish to suggest something for a group read, please POST here and we'll get it into the heading.  Remember that the book titles are all linked to descriptions or reviews.  Thanks!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on November 20, 2013, 04:12:46 PM
I know it should be only one but I can't help it - these are books I have always wanted to read and never got around to - they should all be available in our libraries and some are even available free on Kindle.

The Importance of Being Earnest - I think I saw the movie but reading in Amazon the review it has some interesting messages and it is fun.

Vanity Fair - all I know is there are two women and one, a Becky is often quoted in other lit -

Wives and Daughters - Gaskell wrote during the time of Dickens with stories that hint at Jane Austin - many of us love reading about this time and we are getting more and more insight to women's lives during the nineteenth century
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Post by: marcie on November 20, 2013, 04:17:43 PM
Those are good suggestions, Barbara.
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Post by: pedln on November 20, 2013, 10:07:13 PM
One that I’d like to recommend, though I haven’t read it, is Five Days at Memorial: Life and Death in a Storm-Ravaged Hospital by physician and reporter Sheri Fink.  Fink received a Pulitzer for investigative reporting in 2010, describing the Katrina ordeals faced by health care professionals and patients alike.  We here at SeniorLearn read another Katrina expose a few years ago, Zeitoun by Dave Eggers.  I won’t say “enjoyed” because one doesn’t enjoy the misery of others, but found it to be worth reading.

The Invisible Wall, the first of Harry Bernstein's trilogy is already on the list in the heading, but I'd like to say that it is a delightful first person narrative.  My face2face book group read it a little over a year ago and loved this story of growing up poor in a segregated neighborhood.  The "invisible wall" ran down the middle of the street, separating the daily lives of the Gentiles and Jews who lived there.
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Post by: marjifay on November 20, 2013, 10:19:33 PM
If it's not too late, I'd like to nominate ENDER'S GAME by Orson Scott Card.

In order to develop a secure defense against a hostile alien race's next attack, government agencies breed child geniuses and train them as soldiers. A brilliant young boy, Andrew "Ender" Wiggin lives with his kind but distant parents, his sadistic brother Peter, and the person he loves more than anyone else, his sister Valentine. Peter and Valentine were candidates for the soldier-training program but didn't make the cut--young Ender is the Wiggin drafted to the orbiting Battle School for rigorous military training.  Winner of the Hugo and Nebula Awards. (324 pages)

Marj
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Post by: marcie on November 20, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
Good idea, Marj. Right in time for the movie. :-)
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Post by: ANNIE on November 20, 2013, 11:14:03 PM
One that I’d like to recommend, though I haven’t read it, is Five Days at Memorial: Life and Death in a Storm-Ravaged Hospital by physician and reporter Sheri Fink.  Fink received a Pulitzer for investigative reporting in 2010, describing the Katrina ordeals faced by health care professionals and patients alike.  We here at SeniorLearn read another Katrina expose a few years ago, Zeitoun by Dave Eggers.  I won’t say “enjoyed” because one doesn’t enjoy the misery of others, but found it to be worth reading.

The Invisible Wall, the first of Harry Bernstein's trilogy is already on the list in the heading, but I'd like to say that it is a delightful first person narrative.  My face2face book group read it a little over a year ago and loved this story of growing up poor in a segregated neighborhood.  The "invisible wall" ran down the middle of the street, separating the daily lives of the Gentiles and Jews who lived there.
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Post by: Frybabe on November 21, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
The Importance of Being Earnest is my favorite play (and I am not usually fond of plays). I've seen both movie versions.

I thought I'd lost my copy of Ender's Game, but my sister has it. Yet another book she borrowed ions ago and has yet to read.

Can you believe I have yet to read Vanity Fair ?

The Invisible Wall is one on my radar that I've put off getting.

Looks like we have a bunch of good recommendations already.
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Post by: JoanP on November 21, 2013, 09:16:25 AM
FRy, I'm so familiar with the characters from Vanity Fair - must have read it, but don't remember.  Isn't that awful? Am putting up the latest suggestions in the heading at the top of this page now... Please check to be sure I've got everyone's nomination. 

We are still considering the Poirot Christmas Pudding Mystery.  This site seems fine, but then so did the last.  Do you think you might have some time to run it through your super-sensitive malware site for us?  http://www.ebook2u.org/Mystery/Christie02/
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Post by: Frybabe on November 21, 2013, 09:30:21 AM
I am in the mood for a Western or Adventure story like Owen Wister's The Virginian, or H. Rider Haggard's She or King Solomon's Mines, or one of Jack London's or Zane Grey's books. I didn't see any listed in the archives.

JoanP, the site looks clean. Very, very occasionally a site gets flagged that is actually okay. Some software downloads that are actually okay have the same problem. The download site usually so states before you download and generally tells you to turn off the anti-software program before installing a program if you have trouble. That is something I do not like to do even if the site is very reputable.

ps: I am still interested in the Poirot Christmas Pudding Mystery.
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Post by: JoanP on November 21, 2013, 09:33:09 AM
Thanks for checking, Fry!  I'll add some of your latest titles to the heading now!  It seems we will be having at least two votes! :D
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Post by: PatH on November 22, 2013, 10:51:51 AM
I hate to be picky, but there's no The in the title of Ender's Game.
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Post by: JoanP on November 22, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
Thanks much, Pat!  Just about ready to send out the VOTE...before the list gets any longer! ;D
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Post by: PatH on November 22, 2013, 11:15:33 AM
 ;D
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Post by: JoanP on November 22, 2013, 11:20:45 AM
There are some wonderful suggestions, aren't there?  Let's get started!

VOTING WILL BEGIN TODAY - UNTIL NOVEMBER 30! 

Once you've looked over the nominations in the header here, you are ready to   VOTE HERE   (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/K88JZWN)
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Post by: Frybabe on November 22, 2013, 12:17:39 PM
Well, that was excruciatingly difficult. I finally made my choices, but the fact of the matter is that I wouldn't mind reading/rereading most of them.

Blue Highways ended up being my first choice. When I say New Freedom, PA mentioned that clinched it. New Freedom is at the lower end of York County, just above the PA/MD state line. Even if the author doesn't mention it again, I know he was through PA.
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Post by: JoanP on November 22, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
Fry, shall we consider putting up the same slate for February?... With additions, minus whichever we do in January, that is.. 
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Post by: JoanP on November 22, 2013, 09:53:14 PM
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Nominations NOW for April Book Club Online

Titles are all linked to reviews or descriptions

Title
Author
 The Invisible Wall (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/428223.The_Invisible_Wall)                    Harry Bernstein
 Fried green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9375.Fried_Green_Tomatoes_at_the_Whistle_Stop_Cafe)          Fanny Flagg
Hotel on the Corner of Bitter and Sweet (http://www.readinggroupguides.com/reviews/hotel-on-the-corner-of-bitter-and-wr)          Jamie Ford
 The Imperfectionists (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6834410-the-imperfectionists)                    Tom Rachman


 
MARCH BOOK CLUB ONLINE:

William Least-Heat Moon's  Blue Highways (Join HERE   (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=172.0)  for our March discussion - March 3)
 
 


Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)
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Post by: Frybabe on November 23, 2013, 08:07:10 AM
Sounds like a plan, JoanP. We seem to have a larger choice than the last few.
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Post by: ANNIE on November 23, 2013, 05:37:16 PM
I had the same reaction, Fry.  They all look good!  I also chose "Blue Highways" as my first choice!  It looks most interesting and quite  different from our present read.
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Post by: JoanP on December 02, 2013, 08:27:28 AM
OK, we have some results... With so many choices, we've narrowed the list, but need to go into a run-off vote.  This time, you get ONE choice for January discussion !  To tell the truth, I'd be happy to discuss with any one of these four with you in January.  Can't wait to see which one you choose!

 Final Vote for January discussion-HERE  (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/5MPD73F)
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on December 02, 2013, 02:24:33 PM
OH dear now the field may be smaller but a lot harder to choose. Have to think on this one.
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Post by: PatH on December 03, 2013, 10:33:12 AM
The field includes my three previous choices, so it's going to be hard for me too.
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Post by: Frybabe on December 07, 2013, 03:08:05 PM
Oh the suspense, the suspense!
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Post by: JoanP on December 07, 2013, 04:27:56 PM
You've got that right, Fry!  Watch for an announcement tomorrow!
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Post by: JoanP on December 08, 2013, 01:16:52 PM
Here you go, Fry.  You might have expected this...

SeniorLearn's January Book Club Online selection must be decided this week - by you!  Sometimes we need multiple votes when there are so many excellent nominations. We promise to consider these titles for future reads in the new year, but for January we are down to these TWO TITLES.
Please cast your vote  HERE (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PCF68S2) without delay! Thanks, everyone!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on December 08, 2013, 02:32:06 PM
Hahahaha I am rolling laughing - the two books I finally dithered over after having read excerpts of all four - decided I could not put up with Thackeray's writing style for a whole book and as much as I liked The Virginian I was entranced with Gaskell's writing and it would be a joy to read but then Blue Highways was far deeper a story than I imagined when it was described as a travel book. So here we are with the two I had narrowed it down to - oh me oh my.  
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Post by: PatH on December 09, 2013, 09:35:10 PM
Barb, I'm with you on Thackeray's writing style.  I started Vanity Fair several times before I could finally get into it.  But then it caught my interest and I read it straight through.
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Post by: JoanP on December 10, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
Even with the Vanity Fair votes excluded, the vote between Blue Highways and Wives and Daughters is neck and neck!  Please vote, everyone!
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Post by: Frybabe on December 10, 2013, 10:51:38 AM
Not a hard choice for me this time around.
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Post by: JoanP on December 15, 2013, 08:45:01 PM
Others had a hard time...we came this close to another tie!
The vote between Elizabeth Gaskell's 19th century novel, Wives & Daughters and William Least Heat-Moon's Blue Highways published in 1982 was extremely close from the start, with Mrs. Gaskell edging her opposition by very few votes.  They couldn't be more different.  We've decided to schedule Blue Highways in March - hoping you will all stay with us though both of these winners!

Please drop in the just-opened discussion of Wives - to let us know if you'll be with us on January 2.  We're gathering  HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=171.0)!
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Post by: JoanP on February 01, 2014, 05:43:49 PM
We've just reached the half-way point in Elizabeth Gaskell's Wives and Daughters (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4096.240), the novel selected for the January/February Book Club Online.

It's time  to talk about our March discussion selection.  Are those of you who voted for William Least Heat-Moon's Blue Highways    (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63832.Blue_Highways)
 still interested?

Another Non Fiction suggestion for March has come to our attention -  Robert Klara's  The Hidden White House: Harry Truman and the Reconstruction of America's Most Famous Residence (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250000270/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1C9RFTA0TET081P9WK9W&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846).  Does it appeal to you?

If you had to choose, which would you prefer?  Blue Highways?  Hidden White House? (We could do both)
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Post by: Frybabe on February 01, 2014, 05:52:56 PM
Blue Highways, please.
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Post by: salan on February 01, 2014, 06:53:55 PM
Blue Highways for me, too.
Sally
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Post by: marcie on February 02, 2014, 01:00:03 AM
 The Hidden White House sounds good to me.
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on February 04, 2014, 10:39:11 AM
When was the last time you took a tour of the White House?   I bet things have changed since!!!

Well, think of what people thought after Harry Truman was elected and he decided to gut the White House and spend _____________dollars doing it?   It was just after WWII and Harry had had it after a piano fell through a floor.

I think the book would be fun to discuss, all our memories of the house, who lived in it, etc.

The Washington Post Review:  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hidden-white-house-harry-truman-and-the-reconstruction-of-americas-most-famous-residence-by-robert-klara/2014/01/10/8dee00ee-7701-11e3-b1c5-739e63e9c9a7_story.html

And the Internet is full of pictures of it and all its rooms, etc.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on February 05, 2014, 03:37:48 PM
I've just looked that Blue Highways book up on Amazon and it looks fascinating. I think I might get it for my son and possibly my husband.  Son loved Stephen Fry's TV series about his trip across the US.  I remember reading 'Travels with Charley' at his age and absolutely loving it.

You do have some bizarre place names over there!  But I suppose we do too, we're just used to them  :)
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on February 07, 2014, 02:24:26 PM
Although I agree Blue Highway looks like a good read let me throw another in this pile - maybe later on this one - I read the first chapter and it is fascinating. George Washington's Secret Six: The Spy Ring That Saved America

This is the quote from Amazon.
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Among the pantheon of heroes of the American Revolution, six names are missing. First and foremost, Robert Townsend, an unassuming and respected businessman from Long Island, who spearheaded the spy ring that covertly brought down the British…before they, or anyone else, could discover their names.
 
Brian Kilmeade and Don Yaeger finally give Townsend and his fellow spies their proper due, telling the fascinating story of how they passed information to George Washington that turned the tide of the war. Using a network of citizen operatives that included a longshoreman, bartender, newspaper editor, housewife, tailor, and femme fatale, and employing a series of complex codes, the so-called Culper Spy Ring used sophisticated tactics to subvert the British.
 
Based on previously unpublished research, George Washington’s Secret Six is a gripping history of these amazing, anonymous Patriots who risked their lives for our freedom.
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Post by: ANNIE on February 15, 2014, 02:51:38 PM
Here's another title which we might enjoy.  "The Hotel on the Corner of Bitter and Sweet"  by Jamie Ford.  Our f2f group is reading it now.  I liked it when I read it 5 years ago.

Published in 2009. Here's book blurb:
" In the opening pages, Henry Lee comes to a crowd out at the site of the Panama Hotel, once the gateway to Seattle's Japantown.  It has been boarded up for decades, but now the new owner has made an incredible discovery: the belongings of Japanese families, left when they were rounded up and sent to internment camps during World War 11.  As Henry looks on, the owner opens a Japanese parasol.
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Post by: ANNIE on February 15, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
rosemarykaye,
There are also Peter Jenkins' books that are very good and lots of fun.  "A Walk Across America", "The Walk West" (which is actually book 2 of the first one) and "Across China".  All are very interesting and worth the time to read.
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Post by: Frybabe on February 15, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
You are ahead of my Adoannie. I still have The Hotel on the Corner of Bitter and Sweet in my TBR pile.
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Post by: JoanP on February 21, 2014, 05:39:43 PM
You may have noticed we've just opened the   Blue Highways Prediscussion (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=172.0) - already it looks like a fun discussion.  We'll use William Least Heat-Moon's best selling novel as a jumping off point to share our own travel experiences on the back roads, the blue highways of America.  Even if you don't have the book, please come share your road trips... We're looking for what Ginny calls, a vicarious travel experience.  Looking for YOU!
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Post by: JoanP on February 21, 2014, 06:10:20 PM
Now that we've got a start on March, we need to begin to consider April...just around the corner, really!

Two titles have been suggested recently - Robert Edsel's  Monuments Men (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/monuments-men-robert-m-edsel/1102588498?ean=9781599951492) and Anna Quindlen's Still Life with Bread Crumbs (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17884042-still-life-with-bread-crumbs).  Both of these are HOT!  Both are best sellers.  Library hold lists are long.  Does this  influence your choice?

Several other titles have also been mentioned here that you have enjoyed reading lately.  If you think they would be meaty enough for group reading as the top two seem to be, will you nominate them for April - and we'll get a list started - and then vote!
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Post by: Frybabe on February 21, 2014, 10:39:58 PM
Someone suggested The Invisible Wall by Harry Bernstein a while back. I'd still like to consider that for discussion.
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Post by: JoanP on February 22, 2014, 11:44:20 AM
OK...first title on the list of nominations.  What attracts you to this book, Fry?
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Post by: Frybabe on February 22, 2014, 05:21:05 PM
I think the name of the book first attracted me and the notion of an invisible wall running done the middle of the street. More than that though, it is one man's personal chronicle of life and attitudes pre-WWI. Also, he undertook this enterprise to write three memoirs of pretty much his entire life at age 96. He actually wrote four; the last book was published posthumously. It doesn't hurt that it got excellent reviews from readers.
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Post by: JoanP on February 23, 2014, 01:37:14 PM
Thanks, Fry.  That helps!
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Post by: ANNIE on February 23, 2014, 11:07:58 PM
I,too, was enticed by this author and his stories.  Should be another interesting book plus its non-fiction.  Time to read something true! :D :D
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Post by: JoanP on February 24, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
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Here's another title which we might enjoy.  "The Hotel on the Corner of Bitter and Sweet"  by Jamie Ford.  Our f2f group is reading it now.  I liked it when I read it 5 years ago.

Annie, shall we add this one to the slate of nominations for April?
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Post by: ANNIE on February 24, 2014, 11:35:00 PM
Why not?  I re-read it and truly liked it again! :D  
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Post by: JoanP on February 28, 2014, 08:31:16 AM
Hotel on Corner of Bitter and Sweet (http://www.readinggroupguides.com/reviews/hotel-on-the-corner-of-bitter-and-sweet)                    Jamie Ford
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Post by: bellamarie on March 09, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
I know I suggested this a few months back, but I still think it would be an interesting read, a good for discussion.

http://bestsellers.about.com/od/fictionreviews/gr/The-Imperfectionists-By-Tom-Rachman-Book-Review.htm

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Post by: JoanP on March 09, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
Thank you, Bellamarie just in time. Dont't remember when or where you suggested it before.

There are a few more to add from other sites, and then we should ready to roll...anyone else? We sure have a range from which to choose..

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Post by: marcie on March 11, 2014, 10:02:02 PM
I'd like to nominate DUNE. There are a lot of sequels/prequels to the original book but it stands on its own. There is an interesting review at http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/07/dune-endures.html

The review gives some reasons for reading or re-reading DUNE and why it is relevant today. The author, Frank Herbert, creates a whole, extraordinary world in vivid detail with a culture that derives from its stark desert environment and economics and politics based on its resources.
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Post by: marcie on March 12, 2014, 01:40:42 AM
I'm looking for other books that sound interesting to me and could support a discussion.

Have any of you read THREE MEN IN A BOAT? It is on some lists of the greatest novels. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Men_in_a_Boat  I don't know whether or not it is a book that we could discuss for a month. It's supposed to be very funny.

Have we discussed ALICE IN WONDERLAND? Lots of footnotes in the annotated version. I'd like to read it carefully and talk about it with people here.
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Post by: Frybabe on March 12, 2014, 08:30:43 AM
Oh by, Marcie! Another two books on my TBR. Three Men in a Boat is on my Kindle waiting for me, and Alice in Wonderland (the Annotated version) is on my Amazon wish list.

I've read Dune, and seen both the movie and the TV mini series. Worth discussing.

The Hotel on the Corner of Bitter and Sweet is another on my TBR pile.

It looks like another difficult decision.
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Post by: salan on March 12, 2014, 09:06:57 AM
I read 3 Men in a Boat.  I didn't care for it at all.  I guess it was just not my kind of humor.
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2014, 09:36:11 AM
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 Nominations FOR MAY/JUNE  BOOK CLUB ONLINE

Titles below are all linked to reviews or descriptions

Title
Author
 The Invisible Wall (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/428223.The_Invisible_Wall)                    Harry Bernstein
 We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/tk/)                    Karen Joy Fowler
Dune (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/07/dune-endures.html)                    Frank Herbert
 Three Men in a Boat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Men_in_a_Boat)                    Jerome K. Jerome
 I Always Loved You: A Novel (Mary Cassat, Edgar Degas) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670785792/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1)                    Robin Oliveira



 Announcing:APRIL/MAY  BOOK CLUB ONLINE

 Lewis Carroll's  ALICE IN WONDERLAND (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4188.msg0;boardseen#new)

Join the discussion HERE (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4188.msg0;boardseen#new)




Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)


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Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2014, 09:37:56 AM
I read this in the Three Men in a Boat link - it seems that people have found it humerous over the years for it to remain current since 1889!

"The book was initially intended to be a serious travel guide,[1] with accounts of local history along the route, but the humorous elements took over to the point where the serious and somewhat sentimental passages seem a distraction to the comic novel. One of the most praised things about Three Men in a Boat is how undated it appears to modern readers – the jokes seem fresh and witty even today."

Will put it up with the others to see what our readers think.  We sure have a range from which to choose!
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Post by: marcie on March 12, 2014, 05:04:59 PM
I've found THREE MEN IN A BOAT online. You can read it at no cost at http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/308

There is also a free kindle version.

But the book isn't available in print format at my library. I wonder if it will be difficult to find for those who want to hold a print copy and rely on their public libraries.
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Post by: JoanP on March 12, 2014, 06:29:37 PM
Let's put "available on line" next to the title for the vote?  Would that be enough? How to make it clear that on-line might be the only option?

Just checked - Arlington County has one copy available.
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Post by: ANNIE on March 13, 2014, 10:29:50 AM
When do we vote?  
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Post by: marcie on March 13, 2014, 10:57:56 AM
sounds good, joan.
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Post by: JoanP on March 13, 2014, 11:10:55 AM
very soon, Annie...April is coming!
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Post by: ANNIE on March 13, 2014, 10:06:43 PM
I have downloaded "Three Men in a Boat".  So far, I don't have any opinion.
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Post by: PatH on March 16, 2014, 12:59:33 AM
Montgomery County has 5 copies of Three Men in a Boat, 3 of which are checked out or in transit.
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Post by: JoanP on March 16, 2014, 07:05:53 AM
That amazes me, Pat!
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Post by: marcie on March 16, 2014, 08:32:28 PM
That's interesting, Pat.
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Post by: JoanP on March 19, 2014, 12:39:41 PM
One more nudge before we close the vote for April's Book Club Online discussion.  If you are still cogitating, now is the time to pull the lever to get your vote counted!  See the link in the heading at the top of the page.
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Post by: CallieOK on March 19, 2014, 01:33:13 PM
My library system has "Three Men In A Boat - Penguin edition, 1999.
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Post by: JoanP on March 25, 2014, 12:21:12 PM
I do intend to read Three Men in a Boat soon too, Callie.
 However, I have come in today to let you know that the chosen title for our April Book Club Online discussion is
 Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4188.msg0;boardseen#new), scheduled to begin on April 15, as we have extended the Blue Highways discussion, in order to complete the trip! We hope you will join us for Alice!  We are beginning to gather this morning.

How about we start the nominations for May - I can tell you that there was interest in Three Men in a Boat.  Would you like to begin nominations with this title?  What else?
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Post by: JoanP on April 06, 2014, 07:43:45 AM
Do you remember reading and discussing Karen Joy Fowler's Jane Austen Book Club several years ago?  Probably longer than I think!  Will look that up in our Archives.  A group of us met with her at a book signing and then tea in DC...a lively conversation! We really enjoyed her.

The reason I bring her up..I just read this morning that she won the Pen/Faulkner Award ...for her We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/tk/).

It's time to start gathering nominations for May Bookclub Online discussion.  I'd like to nominate this title.
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Post by: JoanP on April 07, 2014, 09:23:43 PM
 Nominations FOR MAY  BOOK CLUB ONLINE

Titles below are all linked to reviews or descriptions

Title
Author
 The Invisible Wall (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/428223.The_Invisible_Wall)                    Harry Bernstein
 We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/02/tk/)                    Karen Joy Fowler
 Three Men in a Boat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Men_in_a_Boat)                    Jerome K. Jerome
 The Storied Life of AJ Fikry (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18293427-the-storied-life-of-a-j-fikry)                    Gabrielle Zevin

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Post by: pedln on April 15, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
Are you going to the ceremony at the Folger, JoanP, when Fowler gets her award?  I remember when we read and discussed The Jane Austen Book Club.  And you, and I don't remember who else, met Fowler, prior to our discussion.

Just what exactly is the PEN organization?  I remember when we read Wally Lamb's book about the writing program at the Conn. Prison for Women.  And PEN was so impressed with the writings of one of the women that they awarded her $25,000 -- which of course opened up a big can of worms.
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Post by: JoanP on April 16, 2014, 09:51:38 AM
A recommendation from Tomereader: May I heartily recommend a current fiction novel:  "The Storied Life of A.J. Fikry".  The Author's name is Gabrielle Zevin.  

For booklovers like us, it is a beautiful read.  A short book, but there is so much there.  It has hilariously funny parts, sad parts, lots of literary references, and a bookstore owner who, in the beginning, is about as irascible and opinated as one can be.  Upon his first meeting with Sales Rep from Knightley Press, Fikry is saying "this is not for me".   She tells him, "I'd like the chance to get to know your tastes".  "Like" he repeats with distaste.  "How about I tell you what I don't like?  I do not like postmodernism, postapocalyptic settings, postmortem narrators, or magic realism.  I rarely respond to supposedly clever formal devices, multiple fonts, pictures where they shouldn't be--basically gimmicks of any kind.  I find literary fiction about the Holocaust or any other major  world tragedy to be distasteful--non fiction only, please. I do not like genre mash-ups a la the literary detective novel or the literary fantasy.  Literary should be literary, and genre should be genre, and crossbreeding rarely results in anything satisfying.  I do not like children's books, especially ones with orphans, and I prefer not to clutter my shelves with young adult.  I do not like anything over four hundred pages or under one hundred fifty pages. I am repulsed by ghostwritten novels by reality television stars, celebrity picture books, sports memoirs movie tie-in editions, novelty items and--I imagine this goes without saying--vampires.  I rarely stock debuts, chick lit, poetry, or translations.  I would prefer not to stock series, but the demands of my pocketbook require me to".

 And so on.  This, alone, should guarantee that at least one of us has at least specified one of these criteria in our book choices, or the choices of our book groups!  The characters are well-written and you leave feeling you have made new friends!  Enjoy!
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Post by: JoanP on April 16, 2014, 10:04:39 AM
Tomereader, The Storied Life of AJ Fikry sounds just delightful...a short book with lots of books to talk about!  Thank you!  I've entered it in the heading - the title is a link for those who wish to read more about it!

Pedln, we did enjoy our tea with Karen J. Fowler!  A delightful person!   Somewhere there is a picture...unless it was lost went SeniorNet went down.  If memory serves, Pat H was there - Maryal and her daughter, Susan.  I hope I didn't leave anyone out.  Will hunt for that photo!

 The PEN/Faulkner Award for Fiction is a national prize which honors the best published works of fiction by American citizens in a calendar year. Three writers are chosen annually by the directors of the PEN/Faulkner Foundation to serve as judges for the prize, and these judges are asked to select five books (from among the more than 350 works submitted each year) as finalists for the award, making this the largest peer-juried award in the country. Both the eventual winner of the award and all finalists are invited to Washington, D.C. for the PEN/Faulkner Award Ceremony and Dinner.
More about the  Pen/Faulkner Award and Karen J. Fowler   (http://www.penfaulkner.org/award-for-fiction/)



This prize is a big deal - and I might add that Pen/Faulkner donates hundreds of these submitted books to the women's correctional facility in Conn. each year.
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Post by: pedln on April 17, 2014, 10:13:11 PM
The Storied Life of AJ Fikry sounds like a winner.  The reviews really praise it and I especially like that some think it's in the same vein as The Guernsey Literary and .    .   ..      and Major Pettigrew's Last Stand.

At any rate, it's going on my brand new TBR list.  My old one was only on my desktop and I forget to save it along with other documents when I moved stuff to a new computer.  This one I'll put right up there in the start screen -- I hope.

There's something special about books about books.  And bookstores.  And bookclubs.  And book readers.  And we should probably include book writers.
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Post by: Tomereader1 on April 18, 2014, 10:31:15 AM
Thank you for posting that here, JoanP!  I enjoyed the book so very much, that I went back and read most of it again.
I think it would be a great choice for May discussion.  And since it's only 258 pages, it might leave room for another very short book (if there is such a thing anymore) to be discussed.  Thanks again, and if it doesn't make the cut, individual readings will be well worthwhile!
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Post by: ANNIE on April 18, 2014, 08:45:34 PM
We need a book like that, tome reader!  It really looks like fun and light, which is about all I can handle right now. 

I do still want to read Bernstein's book but maybe we could do that one in June?What say you, JoanP?
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Post by: JoanP on April 19, 2014, 02:18:32 PM
I agree with all of you about The Storied Life of AJ Fikry - it sounds delicious - just the ticket for a group book discussion.  
I can see only one fly in the ointment - I need you all to help to decide if this will prove too big an obstacle to a May 15 discussion -

Published April 1st 2014 by Algonquin Books

I don't know about your libraries - but an April 1st publishing date means long hold waits.  I just signed on and find the library has 8  copies - I'm #42.  (Ecopies - library has 3, I'm #34.)

Will you do a favor - and check your libraries to see if it would be a problem for you?

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Post by: PatH on April 19, 2014, 03:10:19 PM
My library has one copy with 117 holds.
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Post by: CallieOK on April 19, 2014, 03:17:14 PM
My library has 13 copies and I'm #4 on the reserve list. 
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Post by: ANNIE on April 19, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
Maybe we could start with one of the other books and make this one for June???
I am on a waiting list for a LP of which I am 23rd in line for one of 23 copies.

I am also in line for the ebook with not a hint as to how many they have.

I am also in line for the HB copy.   # 92 for 91 copies.

I am now on the wish list on Overdrive for 1 of 10 copies of the audio copy.  I should be inline as ??? #11? or #14?  There are none available, but there are 3 people awaiting the book before me.


If we decide to read one of the other books first, I will vote for the Berstein title.
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Post by: JoanP on April 19, 2014, 04:18:36 PM
Pat, one copy with 117 holds before you!

We'll vote in a few days, Annie.  Nominations are still wide open.  Any additions?  

How about Monuments Men?  My library copy is finally available.  Can you check your libraries to see if it is available yet?  Not a new book, but the popularity of the movie knocked it off our list when we considered it several months ago.
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Post by: marcie on April 19, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
My library system has 20 copies of THE MONUMENTS MEN and 129 holds! There are a few of the copies on order for "walk in" (not on hold).
The system has 7 books on order for the title "The storied life of A.J. Fikry." They already have 50 holds. I don't think we should onsider the FIKRY book for the next discussion. We could hold the vote for selections for the next couple of months.

The library has 15 copies of  We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves  and 34 holds.
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Post by: marcie on April 19, 2014, 05:26:49 PM
Has anyone read anything by Charle de Lint? I found a book of his, THE LITTLE COUNTRY, in a thrift store and it looks interesting but it's long (500 pages). I haven't read it yet or any other book by him. See a review at http://www.sfsite.com/charlesdelint/little-desc01.htm

He's written lots of others; some series but some stand on their own. Would anyone recommend one of his (maybe shorter) works for discussion?

"His fantasy fiction is described under the fantasy sub-genres urban fantasy, contemporary magical realism, and mythic fiction. De Lint writes novels, novellas, short stories, poetry, and lyrics. His distinctive style of fantasy draws upon local American folklore and European folklore; De Lint was influenced by many writers in the areas of mythology, folklore, and science fiction, including: J.R.R. Tolkien, Lord Dunsany, William Morris, Mervyn Peake, James Branch Cabell, E.R. Eddison etc."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Lint
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Post by: marcie on April 19, 2014, 05:54:24 PM
I'd like to suggest DUNE again, the 1965 science fiction novel by Frank Herbert. It won the Hugo Award in 1966 and the first Nebula Award for Best Novel. Dune is the world's best-selling science fiction novel and inspired a host of sequels and prequels as well as films. I read it a long time ago but still remember what an imaginative, very detailed world Frank Herbert created.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on April 20, 2014, 01:13:28 AM
The Storied Life... sounds like something to really enjoy - I hope we get to read it when the immediate popularity dies down.

I started recently I Always Loved You: A Novel by the gal who wrote My Name Is Mary Sutter, Robin Oliveira - I never knew but it is about the love affair between Mary Cassatt and Edgar Degas - takes place of course in Paris during its glory time, Belle Époque Paris.

Could be fun getting to know better all those paintings of mothers and babies and then of course Edgar Degas paintings at the Ballet and the race track.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0670785792/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I must say in a million years I would never have put those two together -
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Post by: ANNIE on April 20, 2014, 10:14:24 AM
Barb, that sounds inviting and requesting it, I am #1!  What a nice day! :D :D
Our f2f group read the book about her painting her sister.  Can't remember the title.

If I request Monuments Men, I am #20 for the book!!
For the movie, I would be #419!!  Egad!  I think I will look on Netflix for the movie.
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Post by: JoanP on April 23, 2014, 10:12:21 AM
I feel we've all agreed we want to read/discuss this one - but must wait until it's been out a bit longer so we can all access it at our libraries.  

 The Storied Life of AJ Fikry (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18293427-the-storied-life-of-a-j-fikry)                    Gabrielle Zevin

The same goes for Monument Men.

I've added Frank Herbert's Dune and Robin Oliveira's I Always Loved You - Mary Cassat and Edgar Degas.

Have you started the Charles de Lint book yet, Marcie?  I've never read him, or even heard of him.  Yet. ;)  It does look delightful - and different - http://www.sfsite.com/charlesdelint/little-desc01.htm



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Post by: JoanP on April 24, 2014, 09:18:57 AM
I really got interested in Charles de Lint's The Little Country - only to find that it is not included among de Lint's other books in my local library.  Can you check your library to see if it is available?
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Post by: pedln on April 24, 2014, 11:25:12 AM
Marcie, you have really come up with an eye-opener.  Like JoanP, I'd never heard of him before, and my library has tons of his books, including The Little Country.  I don't usually read much science fiction or fantasy, but de Lint must have a huge following among readers of those genres.


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Charles de Lint, an extraordinarily prolific writer of fantasy works, was born in the Netherlands in 1951. Due to his father's work as a surveyor, the family lived in many different places, including Canada, Turkey, and Lebanon. De Lint was influenced by many writers in the areas of mythology, folklore, and science fiction. De Lint originally wanted to play Celtic music. He only began to write seriously to provide an artist friend with stories to illustrate. The combination of the success of his work, The Fane of the Grey Rose (which he later developed into the novel The Harp of the Grey Rose), the loss of his job in a record store, and the support of his wife, Mary Ann, helped encourage de Lint to pursue writing fulltime. After selling three novels in one year, his career soared and he has become a most successful fantasy writer. De Lint's works include novels, novellas, short stories, chapbooks, and verse. He also publishes under the pseudonyms Wendelessen, Henri Cuiscard, and Jan Penalurick. He has received many awards, including the 2000 World Fantasy Award for Best Collection for Moonlight and Vines, the Ontario Library Association's White Pine Award, as well as the Great Lakes Great Books Award for his young adult novel The Blue Girl. His novel Widdershins won first place, Amazon.com Editors' Picks: Top 10 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books of 2006. In 1988 he won Canadian SF/Fantasy Award, the Casper, now known as the Aurora for his novel Jack, the Giant Killer. Also, de Lint has been a judge for the Nebula Award, the World Fantasy Award, the Theodore Sturgeon Award and the Bram Stoker Award. (Bowker Author Biography)
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Post by: JoanP on April 24, 2014, 11:54:07 AM
That's a good sign that The Little Country is available, Pedln.  I'm going to the library today - will ask about this book.  Since they have so many other titles of his, I'm hoping that if it is missing, they might order a new one...just for me! :D

I'd hate to put it up for consideration and then learn it is not widely available...thanks for checking your library, Pedln! 
Anyone else?
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Post by: ANNIE on April 24, 2014, 02:37:01 PM
Not in my library, but I have requested "Widdershins" just to get a taste of his writing.  I am #1 on the list.
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Post by: marcie on April 25, 2014, 12:59:56 AM
We have 2 copies of THE LITTLE COUNTRY in our library system and no current holds on them. There are quite a few inexpensive copies available at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Little-Country-Charles-Lint/dp/0312876491/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1398401948&sr=1-1&keywords=little+country)

It is over 500 pages. I haven't started it yet.
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Post by: marcie on April 28, 2014, 06:11:38 PM
I read on  a BBC site that the BBC has commissioned new adaptations of four iconic 20th-century works: Lady Chatterley’s Lover, Cider With Rosie, The Go-Between, and An Inspector Calls. I don't know when they will be produced for British TV or if PBS or some other station will pick them up in the U.S. but one or more of those books might be interesting to read together.
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Post by: JoanP on April 29, 2014, 11:50:43 AM
We'll need to select a May book soon - I was able to pick up the love story of Mary Cassatt and Edgar Degas - I Always Loved You - at my library, after only a short wait.  Can you check yours to see if we choose it, you will be able to get your hands on it?

one or more of those books might be interesting to read together: Lady Chatterley’s Lover, Cider With Rosie, The Go-Between, and An Inspector Calls. Marcie
Marcie - that's an interesting idea.  I checked my Library and we have quite a few copies of Lady Chatterly - including ebooks and audio.

Will check these-
Cider with Rosie - Cider with Rosie - one "illustrated copy"
An Inspector Calls - Nothing in collection
The Go-Between -   L.P. Hartley -  Yes, we have it in our library - http://www.amazon.com/Go-Between-York-Review-Books-Classics/dp/0940322994
The G0-Between - "One of the fabled opening lines in modern literature: ‘The past is a foreign country: They do things differently there.’"

Do I hear a second?  Anyone interested in including Lady C or the Go-Between in the nominations?
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Post by: marcie on April 29, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)

VOTE TODAY for July Book Club Online

Titles are all linked to reviews or descriptions
(PLEASE READ REVIEWS BEFORE VOTING - SOME REALLY GOOD, THOUGH NOT WELL-KNOWN TITLES)

Title
Author
Lucky Jim (http://www.nybooks.com/books/imprints/classics/lucky-jim/)                    Kingsley Amis
A Good Death (http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-934609-19-4)                    Elizabeth Ironside
Girls of Atomic City: The Untold Story of the Women Who Helped Win World War II (http://www.girlsofatomiccity.com/the_book.html)                    Denise Kiernan
THE BOOK OF AGES; THE LIFE AND OPINIONS OF JANE FRANKLIN (http://scholar.harvard.edu/jlepore/publications/book-ages-life-and-opinions-benjamin-franklins-sister)                    Jill Lepore
The Greater Journey - Americans in Paris (http://books.simonandschuster.com/Greater-Journey/David-McCullough/9781416571773/reading_group_guide)                    David McCullough
Straight Man (http://www.amazon.com/Straight-Man-Novel-Richard-Russo/dp/0375701907)                    Richard Russo

 VOTE HERE  (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QJTSRZY)
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Post by: marcie on April 29, 2014, 04:58:29 PM
Our library has 7 copies of I ALWAYS LOVED YOU and only 10 current holds. I think I would get the book in time for a mid May discussion. I think I'll vote for this one.

There are 2 copies of THE GO BETWEEN (no holds yet)

Also 2 copies of THE ILLUSTRATED CIDER WITH ROSIE (no holds yet). It's categorized as a biography of Mr. Laurie Lee (1914 – 1997), an English poet, novelist and screenwriter.

A number of editions of LADY CHATTERLEY'S LOVER.

Our library also does not have any copies of the play AN INSPECTOR CALLS.
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Post by: JoanP on April 30, 2014, 10:03:13 AM
How about we start with one of them - and then get started with a vote?

I'll put The Go-Between -   L.P. Hartley -  http://www.amazon.com/Go-Between-York-Review-Books-Classics/dp/0940322994

I love this line - The G0-Between - "One of the fabled opening lines in modern literature: ‘The past is a foreign country: They do things differently there.’"
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Post by: rosemarykaye on April 30, 2014, 05:48:24 PM
I studied The Go-Between for O-level English at school and absolutely adored it.  That first line is forever etched on my memory, as are Leo's fateful words 'A labour of love it truly was, the first I had ever done.'

My friends and I snuck in to see the Julie Christie film when we were technically under-age; it too was wonderful, or so we thought at the time.

Rosemary
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Post by: Dana on May 01, 2014, 12:46:39 PM
yes, The Go-Between was once one of my favourite books and I read all of LP Hartley, still have them but don't remember them........................
just found them,  The Shrimp and the Anemone, Eustace and Hilda, The Sixth Heaven.  He was born in 1895 and his books were written in the 40s and 50s.  There are 3 others which I have not read and he died in 1972.  I guess I didn't read them because they were published later in 1970 and 71.
Worth reading , and the movie was great.
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Post by: JoanP on May 01, 2014, 05:04:36 PM
Well, I'm sold!  Even if you hadn't spoken up for The Go-Between, I think I'd vote for it for that opening line!  If it wins, I certainly hope you'll join us, Rosemary and Dana.

The titles  in the heading at the top of the page are all linked to reviews or descriptions

VOTING WILL BEGIN TODAY May 1 - May 7!  

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Post by: JoanP on May 28, 2014, 03:54:03 PM
Annie, I can't remember just where I saw your post on how Robin Oliveira's book, I ALWAYS LOVED YOU reminded you Susan Vreeland's work - The Boating Party...
I wonder if you noticed on the back of the Oliveira book jacket - this quote from S. Vreeland herself...



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"What a joy it is to be back in Belle Époque Paris with my old artist friends, guided by the masterful pen of Robin Oliveira whose finely crafted language brings to light the complicated relationships of four of the principals of the Impressionist movement—Cassatt, Degas, Manet, Morisot. Only an omniscient narrator has the latitude to disclose the private yearnings and fears of these four as they grapple with issues of art execution, scathing reviews, self-doubt, elusive fame, tempestuous love, and creeping mortality. Here, in beautiful prose, juicy with nuance and depth, is the intimate, heart-wrenching story behind Impressionist art history, with Mary Cassatt at its center. A glorious achievement."
-- Susan Vreeland, author of Luncheon of the Boating Party:

Hope to see many of you in this discussion - beginning June 1. 
By the way, Annie, Pedln and I are meeting in DC at the National Museum of Art on June 3 to view the Cassatt/Degas exhibition.  If you are anywhere in the area, we'd love for you to join us.  But if now, we'll take notes, pictures and share our observations with you here in the discussion.
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Post by: mrssherlock on May 29, 2014, 05:44:29 PM
Reading comments posted earlier has given me some great books for my list. Seems I've missed some great discussions.  My library has nothing by Hartley except The Go-between, it's on my list.  Three Men in a Boat: to say nothing of the dog reminded me of the Connie Willis '...nothing but the dog'.  Described as hilarious, it's part of her Oxford time travel series.  I need a laugh, I'm always on the look-out for books with humor. 

Here's a list of good humor books for 2013.  http://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-humor-books-2013
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Post by: JoanP on May 30, 2014, 04:06:47 PM
Wasn't the Go-Between wonderful, Jackie?  I just finished it two days ago.  Thanks for the list of numerous books - some of the readers here seem to be in the mood for such entertainment...  We'll start voting for July soon. Any specific suggestions?
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Post by: marjifay on June 03, 2014, 02:31:07 PM
Suggestion for July book:

STRAIGHT MAN by Richard Russo.  (391 pp, 1997)  The book description says "In this uproarious novel, Richard Russo performs his characteristic high-wire walk between hilarity and heartbreak. Russo's protagonist is William Henry Devereaux, Jr., the reluctant chairman of the English department of a badly underfunded college in the Pennsylvania rust belt. Devereaux's reluctance is partly rooted in his character--he is a born anarchist-- and partly in the fact that his department is more savagely divided than the Balkans. "
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Post by: marjifay on June 03, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
If I can suggest more than one, I would suggest a book I've wanted to read for a long time:

LUCKY JIM by Kingsley Amis  (250 pp, 1953) Per Amazon review, "Regarded by many as the finest, and funniest, comic novel of the twentieth century,   In Lucky Jim, Amis introduces us to Jim Dixon, a junior lecturer at a British college who spends his days fending off the legions of malevolent twits that populate the school.  His job is in constant danger, often for good reason.  Lucky Jim hits the heights whenever Dixon tries to keep a preposterous situation from spinning out of control, which is every three pages or so.  The final example of this--a lecture spewed by a hideously pickled Dixon--is a chapter's worth of comic nirvana. The book is not politically correct (Amis wasn't either), but take it for what it is, and you won't be disappointed.".
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Post by: Steph on June 04, 2014, 09:02:50 AM
I have recently fallen in love with
Elizabeth Ironside, which is a pen name. A good Death is a marvelous book which develops a great amount of information on the French countryside in WWII.. I think it would be an interesting book to tackle, since we have so many readers who are also good researchers and I would love to get a clearer picture of this era.
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Post by: marjifay on June 04, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
Thanks, Steph. I've added Ironside's A GOOD DEATH to my TBR  list.  Sounds interesting.  I like good mysteries and have meant to read about that era in France.

A couple of nonfiction books I've had waiting to be read about Vichy France:

BAD FAITH; A FORGOTTEN HISTORY OF FAMILY, FATHERLAND AND VICHY FRANCE  by Carmen Callil. (2006)  Per Publisher's Weekly,  Starred Review:  "The bottomless corruption, political and personal, of French fascism is explored in this absorbing biography of one of its most loathsome figures—Louis Darquier, commissioner for Jewish affairs under the Vichy regime. A violent anti-Semite and paid Nazi propagandist before WWII, he helped organize the deportation of French Jews, including thousands of children, to Auschwitz during the German occupation."

PETAIN; HOW THE HERO OF FRANCE BECAME A CONVICTED TRAITOR AND CHANGED THE COURSE OF HISTORY by Charles Williams (298 pp, 2005)  Per Publisher's Weekly: "Seeking to cut the best deal possible for France, Pétain eventually learned the impossibility of compromise with Hitler and went on to condone German atrocities, to create a police state and to accept the deportation of 75,000 French Jews, most of whom were murdered. Williams, without seeking to rehabilitate Pétain, describes a man who was a misguided patriot; his lucid, dispassionate examination of a man who grossly overestimated himself gives just as clear a picture of the political conditions that created him."

Marj
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Post by: JoanP on June 04, 2014, 11:55:08 AM
 :D Keeping me running, Marjifay!  Just brought up the first suggestions to the heading...all three available in the Library now - no hold lists.  Will check on the latest entries... Thanks!
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Post by: JoanP on June 04, 2014, 12:33:13 PM
just checked new arrivals...all available in libraries!  Thanks!  See heading (first post at the top of this page)
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Post by: marjifay on June 04, 2014, 02:12:20 PM
JoanP, I didn't mean to nominate the two nonfiction books, Bad Faith and Petain.  I just posted them for information re Vichy France.

Marj
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Post by: JoanP on June 04, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
Aha!  Now you tell me! :D
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Post by: Steph on June 06, 2014, 08:32:51 AM
Thanks for the suggestions on the non fiction and will look for them.
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Post by: marjifay on June 08, 2014, 08:28:07 AM
Here's another nomination:

THE BOOK OF AGES; THE LIFE AND OPINIONS OF JANE FRANKLIN by Jill Lapore  (442 pp, 2013)
 
Per Booklist, "Starred Review* Award-winning historian, Harvard professor, and New Yorker staff writer Lepore, whose The Mansion of Happiness (2012) was a Carnegie Medal for Excellence in Nonfiction finalist, was intrigued to learn that Benjamin Franklin and his youngest sister, Jane, were so close they were called Benny and Jenny. Renowned, world-traveling brother and obscure, homebound sister exchanged loving, newsy, bantering letters for more than 60 years. Most of his were preserved, while three decades’ worth of hers disappeared. This near-erasure, along with the gender bias that determined the vast differences in the siblings’ education, opportunities, and experiences, become as much a focus in this zestfully rigorous portrait as Jane herself. The most poignant artifact Lepore unearthed was Jane’s handmade “Book of Ages,” recording the birth of her 12 children and, excruciatingly, the eventual deaths of all but one of them. In spite of the tragedies she endured, Jane’s surviving letters are “gabby, frank, and vexed,” the correspondence of a smart, witty, hardworking woman who “loved best books about ideas,” reveled in gossip, expressed “impolite” opinions on religion and politics, and shared piquant observations of the struggle for American independence. By restoring Jane so vividly to the historical record, Lepore also provides a fresh, personal perspective on Benjamin."

Marj
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Post by: mabel1015j on June 08, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
I've read about the Jane Franklin book a couple of times. It sounds very interesting.

Jean
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Post by: JoanP on June 08, 2014, 01:35:04 PM
So,  t'isn't a new book.  That's good.  Be back in a bit to put it up.  Thanks!
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Post by: marcie on June 08, 2014, 03:45:58 PM
Marj, Lucky Jim sounds like it would be very funny and interesting.
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Post by: bellamarie on June 09, 2014, 08:41:35 AM
marj.,  STRAIGHT MAN by Richard Russo

We read Richard Russo's That Old Cape Magic in our discussion group, and I just love his style of writing.  Would love to read more of him. 
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Post by: salan on June 09, 2014, 05:47:28 PM
I don't know if I put this up to be voted on; but I recommend The Storied Life of A.J. Fikry by Gabrielle Zevin.
Sally
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Post by: PatH on June 10, 2014, 12:03:50 AM
Somebody else , I think Tomereader, suggested it a month or two back.  There was a lot of interest, but all the libraries had long waiting lists, so we shelved it until it was more available.  It's getting better in my library--from 117 people waiting for 1 book to 68 people waiting for 39 books.  It's better when there aren't waiting lists.  The discussion doesn't go as well when people have to read the book at different times.
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Post by: JoanP on June 10, 2014, 08:18:20 AM
Never had I seen so much enthusiasm for a suggested title as for The Storied Life of A.J. Fikry , Sally!  I think it would be a good choice - IF, as Pat says, people could get their hands on it.  It seems  longer than a month or two ago when it first came up - because I put my name on the HOLD list right away at my library and was way, way back on the queu.  I just checked now - and see that I am number seven on a list of 36 holds.  (My library and its branches have 10 copies.)  The fact that there are now only 36 holds on the book, compared to the hundred-plus copies when I first signed up - indicates that the wait time is getting shorter.  As Pat says - it's important that our readers can get the book in hand when a discussion starts.  Thank you for your continued interest!
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Post by: Steph on June 10, 2014, 08:35:22 AM
sounds like something, I will put on my list to hunt in thrift shops, etc.They have the strangest stuff in the book section.
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Post by: marjifay on June 12, 2014, 11:31:58 AM
I guess here in Orange County, California, readers are more interested in political stuff.  Hillary Clinton's HARD CHOICES has 54 on the hold list and it's only the second day out.  I see it gets only 2 stars at Amazon, because most "reviews" are opinions of Hillary, not reviews of her book, from the right-wing Clinton haters, as hardly anyone could read a 600-page book in 2 days.

I see that THE DIVORCE PAPERS had no one on the hold list for the 2 copies in the library.
Now, with my reserve of it, there is one on hold.

(Just remembered that in Simon Sebag's great biography of Stalin, STALIN; THE COURT OF THE RED TSAR, Stalin was an avid reader who read 500 pages per day)
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Post by: Jonathan on June 12, 2014, 01:34:55 PM
That's very interesting, Marj. About Stalin's reading habits. Does the book give any information about the nature of his reading? Novels, history, politics, theology? He did start out studying for the priesthood, didn't he? Or was it all reports, digests, memos? I seem to recall a poet who got himself into serious trouble, after Stalin read one of his poems in which he was slandered. You have reminded me that I have the Sebag book somewhere in the house. Have you finished Berg's bio of Wilson? I've just started reading Ian Kershaw's The End.  The end of all those grand dreams that Hilter started out with. What a nightmare!
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Post by: Frybabe on June 12, 2014, 02:26:40 PM
I'd like to add The Girls of Atomic City: The Untold Story of the Women Who Helped Win World War II by Denise Kiernan. http://www.girlsofatomiccity.com/video.html

I don't know if it is included in the book, but Simon & Shyster have a group reading guide posted.
http://books.simonandschuster.com/Girls-of-Atomic-City/Denise-Kiernan/9781451617528

NPR did an interview with the author and two of the women who worked there.
http://www.npr.org/2013/03/03/172908135/secretly-working-to-win-the-war-in-atomic-city
 
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Post by: JoanP on June 12, 2014, 10:07:33 PM
Monuments Men is still experiencing waits at the Library...though not as long.  Patience!
Divorce Papers is of interest, except we've been warned not a good one for group discussion...

Frybabe, will add The Girls of Atomic City: The Untold Story of the Women Who Helped Win World War II  Denise Kiernan.  I wish you had read the book to determine if our readers would go for it.  They do seem to go for the WWII era though.  

David McCullough's name has come up recently - his The Greater Journey - Americans in Paris.
http://books.simonandschuster.com/Greater-Journey/David-McCullough/9781416571773/reading_group_guide

"From the 1820s to 1900, generations of Americans made the pioneering journey across the Atlantic on a mission of learning and accomplishment in the intellectual, scientific, and artistic capital of the western world: Paris. David McCullough tells the story of the generations of Americans whose struggles and discoveries in the City of Light set them on the path to high achievement..."

We've recently read and discussed this period as well.  Some may wish to continue, now that we are familiar with the names of the time...think Mary Cassatt...
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Post by: marjifay on June 13, 2014, 09:04:42 AM
Jonathan, re Simon Sebag's biography of Stalin, I just remember that the author said he was a great lover of literature and history, reading 500 pp per day.  He wrote poetry as a student.  And, sarcastically, that he loved history so much he felt he had to revise it.  He also said Stalin had a great singing voice, and his friends said he could have become a professional singer.  (My note:  too bad he didn't pursue that career!)  My notes also say "As far as being a likable person, he seems to have been so, at least to his friends. He liked to be around people and have fun. He liked children (but so did Hitler, they say). The author says the foundation of his power was not fear, but his charm. Which he  used to his benefit politically."

Re your mention of the poet who got himself into trouble for what he wrote about Stalin, an Amazon reader said, ""Stalin was extremely bright and amazingly well read. It is easy to see why he was offended by the poet Mandelstam's celebrated line in his "Ode to Stalin", about "His fat fingers" "slimy like slugs". Stalin surely regarded himself as an intellectual and this description as a dim-witted vulgarian could only wound him deeply."

I've meant to read Sebag's YOUNG STALIN which explains how "young Stalin became Stalin."  How he nearly became a priest but was driven away by excessively strict priests at his school, and turned to gang life and petty crime, and then to revolutionary beliefs from a hatred of Tsarist Russia.  A most interesting man.

I'm still reading the 800+ page Wilson biography by Scott Berg.  The Ian Kershaw book sounds interesting -- I'll look for it.

Marj
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Post by: Dana on June 14, 2014, 02:54:05 PM
Here is a poem by Stalin.  As the book says (Service's biography), not high art in translation, "but in the Georgian original it has a linguistic purity recognised by all."

The pinkish bud has opened,
Rushing to the pale-blue violet,
And, stirred by a light breeze,
The lily of the valley has bent over the grass.

The lark has sung in the dark blue,
Flying higher than the clouds,
And the sweet sounding nightingale
Has sung a song to children from the bushes.

Flower, oh my Georgia!
Let peace reign in my native land!
And may you, friends, make renowned
Our Motherland by study!
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Post by: Jonathan on June 14, 2014, 05:33:48 PM
Who can believe it? What a strange man. What a strange life. Finding inspiration in flowers and songbirds. It sent me off to look for more and found it in something TBR on my shelf: KOBA THE DREAD: A MEMOIR, A HISTORY, AND A MEDITATION ON STALIN AND HIS LEGACY, by Martin Amis, son of LUCKY JIM.

Yes, Stalin did win a scholarship to the Tiflis Theological Seminary, but 'was expelled, or he dropped out. Thereafter he became a full-time revolutionary.' p99

His poetry now takes on a different tone: 'Know that he who fell like ash to the earth/ Who long ago became enslaved/ Will rise again, winged with bright hope, Above the great mountains.' p99

Amis continues with: 'In 1921, with Stalin's full support, Lenin reannexed Georgia (which had been granted independence the year before) by invasion. Stalin went down south to attend a plenum of the new administration: his first visit for nine years. He addressed a group of railway workers and was heckled into silence with cries of "renegade" and "traitor."  At a later meeting he harangued the local Bolshevik leaders:

"You hens! You sons of asses! What is going on here? You must draw a white-hot iron over this Georgian land!...It seems to me you have already forgotten the principle of the dictatorship of the proletariot. You will have to break the wings of this Georgia! Let the blood of the petit bourgeois flow until they give up all their resistance! Impale them! Tear them apart." '  ( 99-100)

Koba was his self-adopted nickname, meaning something like Robin Hood.

And Hilter had dreams of being an artist, an architect!
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Post by: Jonathan on June 14, 2014, 05:46:59 PM
Both men must have discovered that their country called them.
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Post by: JoanP on June 15, 2014, 06:18:29 PM
We're about ready to open the vote for July...but first...

Two things just happened. Ella posted she's ready to go with Monumens Men by Bret Witter and Robert M. Edsel...and my library just sent a notice that my copy is ready with a very short hold list.

IF a few of you would check your library  for this book...and find it available, we can add it as a last minute title for July consideration...

Thanks!
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Post by: PatH on June 15, 2014, 07:00:14 PM
My library system has 68 holds waiting for 53 copies; I think that's about the same as the last time I checked.
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Post by: marcie on June 16, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
Monuments Men: 98 holds on 20 copies.
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Post by: Frybabe on June 16, 2014, 07:01:01 AM
My library has 33 holds on 9 copies of Monuments Men.
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Post by: JoanP on June 16, 2014, 07:25:46 AM
 :D It looks like we'd better put off consideration of Monuments Men for several more weeks! Thanks for checking!  We'll get the polls up shortly!
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Post by: JoanP on June 16, 2014, 09:31:29 AM
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Titles are all linked to reviews or descriptions

Title
Author
Lucky Jim (http://www.nybooks.com/books/imprints/classics/lucky-jim/)          Kingsley Amis
My Reading Life (https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/pat-conroy/my-reading-life/) Pat Conroy
Monuments Men (http://www.monumentsmen.com/books-movies/the-monuments-men) Robert Edsel
Girls of Atomic City: The Untold Story of the Women Who Helped Win World War II (http://www.girlsofatomiccity.com/the_book.html)Denise Kiernan
Washington's Spies: The Story of America's First Spy Ring    (http://arose.squarespace.com/ws/)         Alexander Rose
Uncle Tom's Cabin  (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/uncle-toms-cabin-is-published)         Harriet Beecher Stowe



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Post by: marcie on June 22, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
We have a 3-way tie for our next month's discussion. Help us decide on a book for July. Vote now at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/77TM6S7

The books are:
Girls of Atomic City: The Untold Story of the Women Who Helped Win World War II by Denise Kiernan
The Greater Journey - Americans in Paris by David McCullough
Lucky Jim by Kingsley Amis
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Post by: mrssherlock on June 22, 2014, 02:28:43 PM
Lucky Jim sounds good but the combination of Americans in Paris and David McCullough is too much to pass up!
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Post by: PatH on June 22, 2014, 08:02:39 PM
Well, I had a preference, but any of the three would make a good discussion.
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Post by: JoanP on June 23, 2014, 07:03:42 AM
I agree with both of you! 
On the road this weekend...home this afternoon to check on the progress of the vote!
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on June 23, 2014, 12:37:35 PM
What happened to the book about the sister of Ben Franklin;   
that sounded good.
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Post by: JoanP on June 23, 2014, 04:41:26 PM
It was outvoted, Ella - in the first vote.  This is the run-off, the top three.  Again, it is very, very close!
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Post by: JoanP on June 30, 2014, 09:06:51 AM
Breaking news...we have a winner in the recent vote... Again it was close!  So close that we are going to include the two also-rans in the consideration for the next group discussion.

Since it is nearly July (!) we will begin the July Book Club Online in mid July - July 14, to be exact!  Bastille Day!  Does that tell you which title came in first?

  David McCullough's The Greater Journey: Americans in Paris

Come join us in July as we discover what caught David McCullough's attention about this particular period in history- the until now, untold story of the adventurous American artists, writers, doctors, politicians, and others who set off for Paris in the years between 1830 and 1900 -  and how "their achievments would profoundly alter American history."

We hope you have time to get a copy of this book - it was published in 2011 and should be readily available at most libraries.  You'll notice it is a big fat book - lots of photographs too.  We'll take our time with it...into August.  Maybe even skip around in it if posters wish to do that...

Please join us in the newly-opened discussion today...we hope to see you there  - at  The Greater Journey:Americans in Paris (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4295.0)
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Post by: JoanP on August 01, 2014, 02:10:38 PM
August ALREADY!  Time to start the nominations for a September Book Club Online selection!

AS promised, we're putting several of those who came in close behind David McCullough's Americans in Paris back into the mix.  Ella was looking for the interesting story of Ben Franklin's daughter in Jill Lepore's THE BOOK OF AGES; THE LIFE AND OPINIONS OF JANE FRANKLIN     so we've added that to the heading.

Feel free to nominate all through the coming week.  This is the fun part, isn't it?  You never know what our readers will come up with!    

Here's what we have so far:

Nominations for September Book Club Online

Titles are all linked to reviews or descriptions


Title
Author
Lucky Jim (http://www.nybooks.com/books/imprints/classics/lucky-jim/)          Kingsley Amis
America's Women (http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Women-P-S-Gail-Collins-ebook/dp/B000NJL71E/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406955569&sr=1-1&keywords=gail+collins+america%27s+women)     Gail Collins
Monuments Men (http://www.monumentsmen.com/books-movies/the-monuments-men) Robert Edsel
 Sycamore Row (http://www.jgrisham.com/sycamore-row/) John Grisham
The Invention of Wings (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/books/review/the-invention-of-wings-by-sue-monk-kidd.html)Sue Monk Kidd
Girls of Atomic City: The Untold Story of the Women Who Helped Win World War II (http://www.girlsofatomiccity.com/the_book.html)Denise Kiernan
THE BOOK OF AGES; THE LIFE AND OPINIONS OF JANE FRANKLIN (http://scholar.harvard.edu/jlepore/publications/book-ages-life-and-opinions-benjamin-franklins-sister)          Jill Lepore
Washington's Spies: The Story of America's First Spy Ring    (http://arose.squarespace.com/ws/)         Alexander Rose



Check the heading (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=309.msg224109#msg224109) for the most current list of nominated titles.
      
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Post by: CallieOK on August 01, 2014, 05:01:53 PM
Joan,  I'm trying to read The Book of Ages.  It's supposed to be about correspondence between Ben Franklin and his sister, Jane,  but the author seems to be writing about everyone except that Jane Franklin.  I'm struggling.
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Post by: JoanP on August 01, 2014, 06:08:08 PM
That's good to know, Callie.   Did you hear that, Ella? Do you think you'll finish, Callie?  Let us know if it picks up...and if Jane makes an entrance... :D
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Post by: CallieOK on August 01, 2014, 07:27:33 PM
Oh, Jane has already "made an entrance"; she just doesn't have very much to say....yet!

I'll keep at it and report back.
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Post by: JoanP on August 01, 2014, 07:35:54 PM
Good!  I wonder why Jane doesn't speak up?

Maybe it's because we're deeply submerged in 19th century France,  reading David McCullough's Greater Journey , but I'm feeling the urge to nominate  a translation of one of Victor Hugo's two novels novels, familiar to all because of the film and theatre adaptations -

I'm torn between his Les Miserables and Notre Dame de Paris, in English and in Disney-speak, known as The Hunchback of Notre Dame.  I wonder if we have spent too much time in France...in  the 19th century. What do you think?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 02, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
Ok I would love it if we got out of the nineteenth century and for that matter out of Europe - we have read a steady stream of lit from either France or Britain all set in the nineteenth century - we didn't even break it up with a novel from either Ireland, Scandinavia much less Italy - now Germany I can understand - very few catchy stories from the Germans - but regardless what about a complete change of pace. Something contemporary from author I do not think we ever read as a group - I would like to suggest Grisham - we could have a blast with all the legal stuff - his newer Sycamore Row has Ford County coming to terms with its history of racism. Plus the book is just old enough it should be easy to borrow at the public libraries.

Another that I think Sally has read and I have recently ordered that really sounds interesting - Washington's Spies: The Story of America's First Spy Ring - not nineteenth century, eighteenth but more, it is an American story through and through - I am only hearing of late the wonders of this man that at this stage in our history I think many of us take him for granted. Plus who would have dreamed he had a cadre of spies - certainly not learned about in 6th grade American History of even 2nd year high American History.

I would love to do Hunchback but not know - it would make a perfect January or February book when we are wrapping ourselves in lap shawls and drinking hot tea while we snuggle down to read. Did you see the musical - it did not take here in the States so I think it only played in D.C. but played for a couple of years in Canada  - here is a Youtube of one of the featured songs - I just love their voices. Patrick Fiori is one of my favorites and I have several of his CDs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23EIjQ4Nxnw
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Post by: mabel1015j on August 02, 2014, 12:56:32 AM
Are you looking for both fiction and non-fiction books? If we are doing both, i suggest

Invention of Wings by Sue Monk Kidd (fiction) about Sarah Grimke growing up on a slave owning plantation and being appalled that she was given a slave on her 11th birthday. She becomes a major abolitionist and she and her sister are the first women who speak to sexually integrated groups about slavery. But the book is primarily about Sarah's life and slave life. It tells the real lives of the legally enslaved, but also the "psychology" enslaved - everyone in the environment. It sounds grime but Kidd manages to include some wit, even among the slaves.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_13?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=the+invention+of+wings+by+sue+monk+kidd&sprefix=Invention+of+%2Cdigital-text%2C361

I also suggest American Women by Gail Collins, a NYT reporter. It's 400 years of women's lives in American history, also with some wit.
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Women-P-S-Gail-Collins-ebook/dp/B000NJL71E/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406955569&sr=1-1&keywords=gail+collins+america%27s+women


Jean
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Post by: Frybabe on August 02, 2014, 06:37:48 AM
I have to agree with you Barb. The Hunchback of Notre Dame has been on my TBR pile a long, long time. Maybe a discussion would give me the incentive to move it from that pile to the bookshelf.

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Post by: marcie on August 02, 2014, 12:06:18 PM
I think we were waiting for THE MONUMENTS MEN to come out in paperback, which it is now.
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Post by: JoanP on August 02, 2014, 12:32:45 PM
That's right, Marcie.  We were waiting for Monuments Men and The Storied Life of A.J. Fikry to become available.  So, let's put Monuments Men up there since it is now in paperback...  I understand the book is more enjoyable than the movie (sorry G. Clooney fans!)
Monuments Men (http://www.monumentsmen.com/books-movies/the-monuments-men)


 Let's keep Hunchback of Notre Dame on our list here for future reading for the future then.  There seems to be interest, just not right now, though, steeped in France as we are...

Barb, will add Alexander Rose's Washington's Spies: The Story of America's First Spy Ring    (http://arose.squarespace.com/ws/) to the heading to see if it sparks the interest of our readers.  Let us know what you think of it before we vote.


I think it's interesting that the subject of racism in America has come up in a number of nominations here.  Is it just a coincidence?

 -  Sycamore Row (http://www.jgrisham.com/sycamore-row/)

 - Jean, yes, we vote on both Fiction and NonFiction for the group discussions.  Will add Gail Collins' America's Women (http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Women-P-S-Gail-Collins-ebook/dp/B000NJL71E/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1406955569&sr=1-1&keywords=gail+collins+america%27s+women) to the heading.  


 I read the review of Sue Monk Kidd's The Invention of Wings (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/books/review/the-invention-of-wings-by-sue-monk-kidd.html), and note the influence of Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin (http://www.historynet.com/uncle-toms-cabin)
We've been reading of Harriet's time in Paris and the period in which she wrote UTC (1852).  It's been so long - really really long since I read Uncle Tom.  I'm wondering if anyone else would be interested in reading BOTH of these books in September?  Or should we consider them separately?
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Post by: Steph on August 04, 2014, 08:52:44 AM
I staggered through this, but the movie was considerably easier, but not as complete.
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Post by: kidsal on August 07, 2014, 08:25:34 AM
Monuments Men is an interesting book but the movie was a disappointment.
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Post by: JoanP on August 08, 2014, 10:52:52 AM
That's good to know about Monuments Men,the book, kidsal - I suspected as much!

We are close to the first vote to pare down the interesting suggestions you can see in the heading.  Anything else you'd like to see included?

I've just added Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/uncle-toms-cabin-is-published) - as suggested in this month's discussion of David McCullough's American in Paris.  It seems we are all familiar with the title, even some of the characters  and the importance of HB Stowe's first novel...but few of us have read it - or remember reading it.  Please consider this title when you make your selection - if you are one of those who thinks it's about time to read a book that had such an influence on the Civil War...
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Post by: mabel1015j on August 08, 2014, 05:24:48 PM
I think Pat Conroy's My Reading Life might be a good discussion. We can talk about his writing, the books he mentions and their characters, the "characters" he's met along the way in his life and the issues he talks about. I know some others of you are reading it, what do you think?

So many on the list of suggestions look interesting - can we just work our way through this list for the next year? ;D

Jean
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Post by: JoanP on August 08, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
Added the Conroy...It sounds like a good one, Jean!  I know you were joking about doing all of them - we've considered that in the past, but by the time we work down the list, people have either finished the book or want to nominate something other than the list.  If the vote is really close, we will consider taking the runner-up though...
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 08, 2014, 11:29:09 PM
whew quite a list of diverse topics to consider - the list is all over the map - this one should be fun to see what happens
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Post by: PatH on August 09, 2014, 11:57:21 AM
So many on the list of suggestions look interesting - can we just work our way through this list for the next year? ;D
Jean
One problem we always have to deal with is being sure we have enough active participants to make for a good discussion.  That's why we always have a vote--if enough people vote for a book, we figure it will be good.  Unfortunately, some books that would make good discussions fall through the cracks that way.  Any ideas for improving our selection process would be welcome.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 09, 2014, 04:24:24 PM
I think it is like going to the library - there are only a certain number of books either allowed to be borrowed or a realistic number of books that can be read in the time allotted and so some books that look good we say, next time - and then when next time comes we have different interests and other books catch our fancy - so like our mom's said, our eyes are bigger than our tummy.  
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Post by: mabel1015j on August 09, 2014, 06:45:17 PM
 :D  :D  :D
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Post by: JoanP on August 15, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
 

SEPTEMBER BOOK CLUB ONLINE SELECTION -  VOTE NOW!  VOTE AGAIN!  VOTE HERE    (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BVNRC7S)

 It should come as no surprise when we had so many nominations, that we need a SECOND VOTE to come up with a winner. Please drop in  HERE  (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BVNRC7S)  to vote again and break the ties! Some wonderful nominations - if only we can settle on one of them!

This time, we ask you to answer TWO questions> 1. Which is your first choice?
2. Check any or all books you would be willing to discuss if the book wins the vote.


VOTE HERE   (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/BVNRC7S)
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Post by: BeckiC on August 18, 2014, 12:10:47 AM
Eyes were bigger than my stomach sure is a true statement for me. I had high hopes of joining in on The Greater Journey:Americans in Paris discussion. I had the book and was at Chapter 2 but fell completely out due to reading Elizabeth Gaskell's hefty North and South for my book club here. I was also reading The Invention of Wings and The Fiery Cross as well. Why?? The holds all come in at once. Whew!
I wanted to say thank you for the warm welcomes you all extended to me weeks ago. I feel embarrassed and slightly ashamed of myself for not seeing them sooner and replying immediately with a heartfelt thank you. What a great group. I am hoping to fall in with you all for the next book. There are some interesting choices.

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Post by: marcie on August 18, 2014, 12:37:10 AM
Becki, thanks for letting us know. As fellow book lovers we completely understand "too many books; too little time."  ;)
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 18, 2014, 03:05:45 AM
There she is Mrs American - just remembering the tune and saying glad to see you among us again and thanks for the update on your reading - pop in when ever  you can - the library is a great place to add a thought that is not attached to a book we are currently reading - let us know about what you are reading - others may be reading or have read the same book and that is always fun to know.
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Post by: Frybabe on August 18, 2014, 04:43:57 PM
Interesting find considering Uncle Tom's Cabin is on our voting list. My PBS station is running The Search for Josiah Henson...the Man Behind the Story of Uncle Tom's Cabin: A Time Team America Special tomorrow night at 8PM. If I remember, I'll watch it.
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Post by: JoanP on August 18, 2014, 04:51:55 PM
Tomorrow night at 8.  I'll be watching with you, Fry!

Have you voted?  Second vote is very, very tight right now.
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Post by: Frybabe on August 18, 2014, 05:17:44 PM
Yes I did JoanP, and Uncle Tom's Cabin, though not my top pick is on my short list.
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Post by: PatH on August 18, 2014, 05:42:26 PM
Becki, what did you think of the Gaskell?  We read her Wives and Daughters a few months ago, and liked it very much.
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Post by: BeckiC on August 19, 2014, 09:56:59 PM
Oh Marcie...exactly!

Barb..thank you for leading me to the library discussion. I hope to contribute there now and again.

Pat..Gaskell's North and South was a slight slow starter but once I was in a few chapters I was hooked. Gaskell took on the Industrial Age, social class issues, human connection, spiritual tenacity, loss and love all without it ever feeling false or preachy. Margaret Hale is a strong female character that elicits compassion and respect. Oh and did I mention it's a love story? Who knew?!
We also read Cranford and I liked them both. I may have to check out Wives and Daughters soon.
Becki aka Mrs. America ;)
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on August 20, 2014, 12:15:06 PM
We are just finishing our nonfiction book THE GREATER JOURNEY by McCullough, as all of you know.  

It was a good discussion, many participants and I think a nonfiction book elicits that kind of discussion.

Therefore, I want to nominate another one for the future:  THE BULLY PULPIT: Theodore Roosevet. Wlliam Howard Taft, and the Golden Age of Journalism by Doris Kearns Goodwin.  We disclussed her previous book - TEAM OF RIVALS - a few years ago and she is an exceptionally good writer.
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Post by: JoanP on August 20, 2014, 01:01:15 PM
Thanks Ella.  Will put your nomination in the heading just as soon as we can come up with September's title!
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Post by: JoanP on August 29, 2014, 11:40:47 AM
We'll be announcing the September Book Club Online very soon now.  Since it's been back and forth through both of the votes, we are trying to consider everyone's interest.
If you haven't voted yet, you have until the end of the day tomorrow before we close the polls. (The link to the polls is in the heading - the first post on this page.)
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Post by: BeckiC on August 31, 2014, 10:04:34 AM
Hello,
A number of you have BooksDL under your names. May I inquire the meaning behind it?
Just a curious soul. :)
Thanks. Becki
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Post by: JoanP on August 31, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
(http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/graphics/logo200tr.gif)


Vote Today for NOVEMBER'S BOOK CLUB ONLINE
VOTE HERE (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GM58C8L)
Titles are all linked to reviews or descriptions



Title
Author
We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves (http://karenjoyfowler.com/)                    Karen Joy Fowler
Uncle Tom's Cabin (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/uncle-toms-cabin-is-published)                    Harriet Beecher Stowe
Miss Marjoribanks (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/514761.Miss_Marjoribanks)                    Margaret Oliphant
Bully Pulpit (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/books/review/doris-kearns-goodwins-bully-pulpit.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)                    Doris Kearns Goodwin
Unbroken (http://laurahillenbrandbooks.com/)                    Laura Hillenbrand
Flight of Gemma Hardy (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/books/review/the-flight-of-gemma-hardy-by-margot-livesey-book-review.html)                    Margot Livesey
Setting the Desert on Fire (http://books.wwnorton.com/books/detail.aspx?ID=5867)                    James Barr
Kristin Lavransdatter   The Bridal Wreath  (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6220.The_Wreath)                    Sigrid Unset



Contact:  JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net)


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Post by: JoanP on September 02, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
OKay...are you ready?  The September/October Book Club Online discussion has just opened. It only took two surveys to see what the majority was interested in reading/discussing. :D   To find out more, click this link...and hopefully let us know that you will be there...on opening day, Sept 15.

The Girls of Atomic City (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4411.msg231200#new)
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Post by: JoanP on September 18, 2014, 01:46:21 PM
We're into the September/October discussion now - and a good time to begin the nominations for November.  Hopefully we can put our heads together and come up with a title that sparks interest in a group discussion/

You are probably familiar with the author, Karen Joy Fowler?  Several years ago we discussed her delightful "Jane Austen Book Club" - and then some of us met with her for tea in Washington DC.  
She has a new book out now -  We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves  (http://karenjoyfowler.com/) which has won the 2014 Pen/Faulkner Award - and it's just been elected to the 2014 Man Booker Prize short list - an honor for an American.

Would you like to consider it for discussion here?  (Be sure to read the comments at the bottom of the page provided in the link above.)

Since Uncle Tom's Cabin was such a close runner-up to The Girls of Atomic City, let's see if there is still interest in that title now.  Will enter it into the heading...
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 03, 2014, 04:00:07 AM
This appears like a bit of overkill but I cannot make a choice of these three books that I think we would enjoy reading for our next selection - the first takes place in one of our favorite time, nineteenth century Britain - it is always included on a list of the books to read along with Jane Austin, Elizabeth Gaskell and Anthony Trollope - I do not thing we have read and it could be fun - Miss Marjoribanks, considered a comic masterpiece. The story is about Lucilla launching herself into Carlingford society after she returns home to care for her newly widowed father.

The second selection is worlds apart taking place in Southern India during the 1800s - Tiger Hills by Sarita Mandanna  - the story is about two children, boy and girl who when they are grown would probably marry except as children when roaming the hills they see a Tiger Wedding and there is an older man, a tiger hunter that the girl secretly decides she must marry. It is this love that sows "the seed of a devastating tragedy that will change the fate of all three --- an event that has unforeseen and far-reaching consequences for generations to come."

The third suggestion was included on the list last month but I still think there is much to talk about and a look at our American History that I would never have guessed -  George Washington's Secret Six: The Spy Ring That Saved the American Revolution by Brian
Kilmeade
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Post by: JoanP on October 03, 2014, 08:27:23 AM
Miss Marjoribanks   http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/514761.Miss_Marjoribanks

Tiger Hills by Sarita Mandanna

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/20/books/review/book-review-tiger-hills-by-sarita-mandanna.html



George Washington's Secret Six: The Spy Ring That Saved the American Revolution by Brian
Kilmeade

http://www.amazon.com/George-Washingtons-Secret-Six-Revolution/dp/159523103X
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 03, 2014, 03:30:30 PM
I just finished THE FLIGHT OF GEMMA HARDY by Margot Livesey, a sweet book.  The author has won numerous grants and awards; however I couldn't believe she would dupllicate in modern form Bronte's JANE EYRE (one of my all time favorites)  except for the circumstances surrounding her Mr. Sinclair and Mr. Rochester.Might be fun to read the two of them together.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/books/review/the-flight-of-gemma-hardy-by-margot-livesey-book-review.html

Then I nominate again THE BULLY PULPIT by Goodwin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/books/review/doris-kearns-goodwins-bully-pulpit.html?pagewanted=all

UNBROKEN continues (for weeks and weeks) on the lists; would it make a good discussion?

http://laurahillenbrandbooks.com/

I nominate HARD CHOICES, need I tell you the author?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Choices
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Post by: Ella Gibbons on October 03, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
Do you think we could do Hillary Clinton's book - if we could keep it from being political we could learn a lot about other countries and the role of our secretary of state.  She may be, will be, the Democratic candidate for president and we could discuss that to some length; differences in gender, etc.

We would have to control the discussion away from politics asking for NO PERSONAL OPINIONS, STICK TO THE BOOK.
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Post by: marjifay on October 03, 2014, 05:38:47 PM
I'll second the nomination for Clinton's HARD CHOICES.  It's on my TBR list.

Marj
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Post by: JoanP on October 03, 2014, 10:08:17 PM
We're celebrating another family birthday this weekend until Tuesday when I can get these nominations into the heading.  Please keep them coming! We'll vote next week.

Barbara,  Ella, some really good suggestions - though we'll have to give some thought to the Clinton book. The idea of avoiding politics when discussing a book by the
 likely Democratic candidate for president doesn't seem possible. The idea of asking participants to avoid personal opinions, which is what our book discussions are - and asking Discussion Leaders to "control" such a discussion is beyond what we ask of them.  It seems there are plenty of other titles from which to chose.
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Post by: bellamarie on October 03, 2014, 11:15:01 PM
I agree, it would be difficult to read and discuss a book about a woman in politics and avoid political opinions in the discussion, especially since she is such a high political profile figure looking to the 2016 Presidential election.
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Post by: marjifay on October 04, 2014, 02:12:58 PM
Re Hillary's book, Hard Choices, I withdraw my nomination.  I went to Amazon to read the reviews.  Too many readers said they were disappointed -- had looked forward to being informed by the book, but could not finish it because it contained too much political rhetoric, was too partisan, etc.  Sounds as if it would be hard not to get into politics were it to be discussed here.

Marj
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Post by: Jonathan on October 04, 2014, 02:44:22 PM
The Middle East is so much in the news and probably will be for many more years. I would like to nominate Jame Barr's Setting the Desert on Fire: T.E.Lawrence and Britains Secret War in Arabia. It looks interesting. One reviewer at Amazon has this to say:

'Setting the desert on fire is a historical account of British Army missions in the Middle East during the First World War. However, its impact is a great deal more wide ranging than that sounds. Given the current delicate situation in this part of the world, this book takes the reader on a fascinating journey to the heart of the region, and certainly helped me to place some of our current follies in context.'

Or, how about, Lawernce's own Seven Pillars of Wisdom? Or Michael Korda's HERO: The Life and Legend of Lawrence of Arabia? From the back cover: 'This is the story of an epic life on a grand scale... HERO is the magisterial story of one of the most unique and fascinating figures of modern times - the arch hero whose life was, at once, a triumph and a sacrifice.'



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Post by: Frybabe on October 04, 2014, 03:45:05 PM
Ah, Jonathan. I real Seven Pillars of Wisdom when I was in High School. My Dad took one look at the tome and told me I'd never get through it because it would be too "dry". Did I ever fool him. I hated to have to take it back to the library. It was a large book with a mousy grey cover and the publication year was 1926.

I have a paperback version that my sister gave me years ago for my birthday, but I never opened it. Somehow, paperback seemed undignified for such a book. I used to have a book of letters between Robert Graves and Lawrence and his book, The Mint (I wish I still had them, they were very interesting). Those two were traded to a friend, who was also a Lawrence follower, for Arabia Deserta. That volume was one of the books that Lawrence read/relied on during his pre-war travels. It did turn out to be dry and boring, so I no longer have that. My Lawrence library now consists of the aforementioned paperback, Jeremy Wilson's biography of Lawrence, Lawrence's Revolt in the Desert (which I believe is an abbreviated version of Seven Pillars), and Liddell Hart's Colonel Lawrence: The Man Behind the Legend.

The book you mention by Jame Barr is new to me. I'll look into it. I have not seen Korda's book either. Is that the new one that came out a short while back?
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 04, 2014, 04:04:27 PM
ewww brilliant anything by or about T.E.Lawrence - great - I would go with any of them
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Post by: marcie on October 04, 2014, 10:33:49 PM
I'd be interested in a book about or by "Lawrence of Arabia." I have to admit that my first knowledge of him was from the film, Lawrence of Arabia, which starred Peter O'Toole. See images at https://www.google.com/search?q=lawrence+of+arabia&client=firefox-a&hs=SlI&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Z60wVKBpl4HKBNjGgLAH&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1426&bih=833#facrc=0%3Blawrence%20of%20arabia%20peter%20o%27toole&imgdii=_&imgrc=_
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Post by: Frybabe on October 05, 2014, 06:02:28 AM
Marcie, the movie was about as close to the book as I  have ever seen. The movie people only created one scene that stuck out as being a movie fabrication. That was the scene where the young Arab boy died when he blundered into a sand pit (I don't know exactly what you call it); he actually died of exposure during the winter. The other boy did indeed die when a detonator he was carrying went off when he tripped. To read Seven Pillars, itself, would probably take several months. The Mint is an autobiography of his life in the Army, after WWI. It has been a long while since I read it. I vaguely remember he first enlisted in the tank corps under an assumed name, and served in India for a while before coming back to England.

Lawrence was very much at odds with the politicians on how they treated the Arabs and how the tribal territories were ignored when they divided up the region into new countries. He pretty much warned that the high-handed treatment of the Arabs would eventually come back to bite them.
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Post by: marjifay on October 05, 2014, 12:06:22 PM
Thanks, Jonathan, for recommending Setting the Desert on Fire.  I'm going to read it whether or not it is selected for discussion here.

While looking for other books by James Barr, I found what looks like a very interesting book I put on my TBR list:  A LINE IN THE SAND; THE ANGLO-FRENCH STRUGGLE FOR THE MIDDLE EAST, 1914-1948.  The book description at Amazon reads, in part: "It explains exactly how the old antagonism between these two powers (Britain and France) inflamed the more familiar modern rivalry between the Arabs and the Jews, and ultimately led to war between the British and the French in 1941 and between the Arabs and the Jews in 1948."  I had never heard of any war between the British and the French.

Marj
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 05, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
I did not think Setting the Desert on Fire was written by Lawrence however, books by Lawrence that are of a manageable size are many - he has novels set in Italy and Mexico and he spent time in the US in New Mexico - there is a lot to choose from.  I am thinking of Lost Girl that is mostly set in Italy or White Peacock an early novel set in England about the industrialization of Britain. Then there is his travel book in Europe entitled, Twilight In Italy.

I'm not sure about getting a handle on the middle east by reading how Europe interfered without also reading the history of Zionism which was in place starting with Theodor Herzl in the late nineteenth century and going strong in the early twentieth - I think there are lots of fingers in the growth of mid-east conflict we see today that was engineered out of long held European conflicts.

The context of the mistrust and low opinion the French have to the Germans goes back to when the Roman Empire collapsed and this superior attitude by the French continued since France came out of the Roman experience as Roman territory that grew to include a monarchy and church as one unit where as, the German experience was more fractured, they were the barbarians breaking down the gates of Rome. Where some of the German lands included a monarchy that was also the church as one, they were not under the umbrella of Rome's sensibility as was France - Then in modern times, we only read in last months selection here the conflicts between France and Germany during the nineteenth century which takes place when Germany was united with Prussia - then we also need to take into account the Christian superiority to Jews that grew and grew from the time of Rome -

I just see reading one book as a great opportunity however, I am cautious as to identifying the cause of today's conflict placed at the alter of France and Germany without understanding that 1500 year old conflict and without seeing how the newly organized Zionists were in the mix wanting to establish a Jewish State on Arab held territory that was also happening during this time that Lawrence was in the middle east.
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Post by: Frybabe on October 05, 2014, 04:36:00 PM
Wrong Lawrence, Barb. D. H. wrote those novels. T.E. was involved with getting the Arabs to revolt against the Turks in WWI. I don't recall that Lawrence said much, if anything, about Jewish interests in the Middle East.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 05, 2014, 06:23:16 PM
aha thanks for straightening me out on Lawrence - you are right, D.H. said nothing about Zionism although, that was a factor at the time and still is a factor in the middle east - my take on all of this is there is no right or wrong and everyone is coming from a view point of their history - there is so much finger pointing today that I just get exasperated as if things that happened in only the past 100 to 200 years can explain an area of the world that even those long ago players dividing up the area held a long and contentious history.

I've on my TBR pile Henry Kissinger's Diplomacy written some years back however, I understand it is filled with how decisions are ultimately made between and for nations. It is so easy for us to see history as a new slate with maybe history from the last 150 years so that I fear we are actors that are not that helpful.

What is amazing to me is how much European, Middle East and Asian history was ignored or probably with antiquated communication we as a nation felt removed with our isolationism in place and two oceans allowing us to do our thing with little to no care about the areas of the world we emigrated from and so, we did not learn in school the revolutions and changing map of the rest of the world during the nineteenth century. I remember learning more about the War of the Roses than I ever did about the unification of Germany or Italy much less the wars between Japan and China or the ancient differences between North and South Vietnam much less the ancient revelry between Sunni and Shia and how those conflicts are part of their DNA. Amazing to see one step of disrespect built on the next and the next and still affecting grudges and policy today.

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Post by: Jonathan on October 06, 2014, 12:38:35 PM
Barb, I find your posts so stimulating. Yes, what a mess we're in. Anarchy rules the world. And judging by the title of his latest book, World Order, even Dr. Kissinger has given up on diplomacy. The world needs a policeman. The isolationists were right. Having turned our backs on the old world, with its zillion grudges, we should have stayed with our new frontier orientation.

For booklovers there's always another option. I found it put very well by T.E. Lawrence himself, quoted in Michael Korda's Hero: '...but if you can get the right book at the right time you taste joys - not only bodily, physical, but spiritual also, which pass one out above and beyond one's miserable self, as it were through a huge air, following the light of another man's thought. And you can never be quite the old self again.'

And Frybabe, you're right about Seven Pillars of Wisdom being too grand for a pocketbook format. According to another quote from the same book, Lawrence '...spent a fortune by any standard paying artists to do  the paintings and the drawings for Seven Pillars of Wisdom, and having the copies individually  bound in leather by the finest bookbinders in England

But back to the Sunni and Shia, revelling in their differnces. What an amazing spectacle. Barb, you turn history into a hall of mirrors. What fun!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 06, 2014, 03:11:58 PM
Hall of mirrors - wow that is a great analogy - and I still get my D.H and T.E. Lawrence's mixed  - if nothing else I need to imprint that T.E. was gallivanting all over Arab lands and I do have Seven Pillars on my shelf but only read the first 100 pages - it is a tome even in paperback isn't it where as, it is D.H. opening the Victorian eyes in the twentieth century to accepting we are sexual beings while he gallivanted all over Mexico and New Mexico. Think that would be a good project for me - to read one of his books and continue further with Seven Pillars and see the differences in their writing and subject matter. 

That is a wonderful quote you found Jonathan. I've heard Kissinger had another book published but did not hear his thesis - so he is seeing cracks or maybe giving up on the idea of diplomacy - hmmm is diplomacy part of history now and our thinking it is the end all is keeping us tied to a past - we sure are at a cross roads that seems like anarchy runs the show.

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Post by: marcie on October 06, 2014, 07:44:24 PM
I've usually thought that "who done it" mysteries aren't a very good choice for our month-long discussions, since there is the very good chance of spoilers from those who might read ahead, as well as the chance that people's guesses about the clues and the identity of the "culprit" might disturb some of the participants in the discussion. With those thoughts, I want to see if any of you think that DEATH COMES TO PEMBERLEY, by P.D. James would be suitable for a discussion?  I haven't read the book and the main reason I'm suggesting it is because there will be a 2 episode (120 minutes each) adaptation of this who-done-it on most PBS stations at the end of October/early November. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/death-comes-pemberley-s1/

What do you think about talking about the book?
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Post by: marjifay on October 07, 2014, 10:19:31 AM
I read P.D. James' Death Comes to Pemberley, based on Jane Austen's Pride & Prejudice, sort of a sequel that is a mystery.

IMO, I think it would make for a boring discussion.  This book is very repetitious.  I found myself skimming a lot.  Amazon readers say it repeats too much of the plot of Pride & Prejudice which people already know.  I would not recommend it to anyone, Jane Austen fan or not. 

Marj
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Post by: Jonathan on October 07, 2014, 10:28:36 AM
Marcie, DEATH COMES TO PEMBERLEY is a splendid choice, and a Masterpiece version would be the icing on the cake. It will get my vote. Jane Austen and P. D. James puting their heads together. Awesome. But I wonder if James' attempt to get serious failed her. I've just started reading her TIME TO BE IN EARNEST, her autobiographical attempt published in 1999, at 77. But first, one should read P&P one more time. Life is too much fun to get serious.
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Post by: JoanP on October 07, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
Lots of ideas here.  And differing opinions.  I'll get to work putting the Nominations in the heading and we'll see where a preliminary vote takes us at the end of the week...
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Post by: marcie on October 07, 2014, 10:57:20 AM
Thanks, Marj, for your advice after your reading of the book. Jonathan, without my reading the book my reaction is the same as yours that I think a tandem viewing of the PBS series and reading of the mystery would be fun.
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Post by: JoanP on October 07, 2014, 11:32:46 AM
Marcie, we wouldn't begin the next discussion until Nov. 1.  Your post says the two part Masterpiece DEATH COMES TO PEMBERLEY, begins the end of October and beginning of November.  I haven't read the book - but understand that it's a mystery.  Would viewing the Masterpiece adaptation of the book not give away the story before reading the book.  Do you see that as a problem?  How would we handle that?
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Post by: marcie on October 07, 2014, 08:03:29 PM
I personally don't mind seeing a movie and then reading the book, even if it is a mystery but I know that other people might mind. For some of the mystery programs, they change the ending anyway in their "adaptation" of the book :-)  I don't know if that's the case with this one.
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Post by: JoanP on October 14, 2014, 12:53:48 PM

Almost time to vote soon.  I have to be honest - there are a dozen titles suggested, but none of them seem to have captured group attention.  Sound familiar?  This has happened the last two months and we have had a bear of a time trying to narrow the list of scattered suggestions.  We're looking for a book most of us can get excited about.  Folks in the Library have been discussing the Nobel Prize winners over the years...


Would you mind taking a few minutes to look  over the Nobel list for titles you would consider reading in November?  We would really appreciate it!  Nobel Prize Winners over the Years (http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/)
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Post by: marcie on October 14, 2014, 06:50:20 PM
Thanks very much, Joan, for that link. There are a number of authors there that I would like to read at some point. I haven't found one yet that I would suggest as a "real grab" for discussion. Maybe someone else will suggest such a book by one of these authors.

I've been thinking about the new film based on Lois Lowry's THE GIVER. I haven't seen the film and I've actually not read THE GIVER "quartet" of books. Even though they are categorized as "young adult" I've seen some comments that indicate that one or more of the books might make for a good discussion for adults. Is this something that would "grab" any of you?
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Post by: JoanP on October 14, 2014, 07:19:03 PM
Marcie!...it's funny how you hear about a title turning up unexpectedly in many places.  For me, "the Giver" is one of those.  As you say, it can be catagorized as Young Adult, but there's much for adults too.  I'm wondering if it would be good for the December Holiday read - and for gift-giving too - for many ages.  Here's a link describing the book... The Giver (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giver)
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 14, 2014, 09:24:44 PM
JoanP I just looked at the list again - yes, I would remove the books I suggested - no one has talked about any of them but the easiest I think is simply go for a first round vote and get the list down to 4 or 5 and then vote on those - personally I think three is too small a list to choose from given the broad nature of the recommendations - the worst we end up with a tie or two within a vote apart - and yes, there are some I would prefer not to have to discuss - the last 4 titles interest me the most. I am doubtful of a consensus that would eliminate the need for a vote. Agree the thought of the Giver to be discussed during the Holiday season is a great idea.
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Post by: JoanP on October 15, 2014, 05:44:40 AM
Barb, I'm out until this afternoon.  If you have a few minutes, would you mind letting me know the titles you suggested you wish to remove from the vote for November Book Club online. It's getting really, really close to Nov. 1!
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Post by: Frybabe on October 15, 2014, 06:29:57 AM
If you are looking to remove a couple of books from the list, I would suggest two of the three books that are T. E. Lawrence related. I checked the number of pages for them all and discovered that Michael Korda's book, Life and Legend of Lawrence of Arabia is every bit, and maybe more, as lengthy as Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Setting the Desert on Fire is a more manageable size. What do you think, Jonathan?
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Post by: JoanP on October 15, 2014, 07:37:42 AM
Thanks, Frybabe.  That will help!
We're going to get the vote out later today - with a few changes.

We"re working on a new method to select books for discussion, starting the new year.  Some good ideas here and in the Library. recently..

Pat H...yes'. I loved the Sigrid Unset years ago.  Would love to add it to our list to see how Kristin Lavransdatter   The Bridal Wreath  (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6220.The_Wreath) withstands the test of  time!  Just the first book of the trilogy though?
Although I remember it was addictive!

 I noticed in today's paper that Karen Joy Fowler's latest book, which was shortlisted for the Man Booker prize edged out by Tasmanian writer, Michael Flanagan yesterday.  Still an honor for American KJ Fowler.  We'll leave her on our list for November.

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Post by: mabel1015j on October 15, 2014, 12:10:56 PM
If you are looking for something not too heavy for the next months, i would again recommend Invention of Wings again, a fiction book about the Grimke sisters. It's historically correct, easy reading, entertaining and not too long

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/11/260192246/finding-flight-in-the-invention-of-wings

Jean.
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Post by: Jonathan on October 15, 2014, 03:04:40 PM
That has really tidied up the list of proposals. I had been meaning to ask that two of my three be dropped. I just couldn't make up my mind which two. Setting the Desert on Fire is an exciting read, but not an easy one. The political sands do get in ones eyes.

But it's a great list. I would like to read them all. What was it about Uncle Tom's Cabin that fired up the abolitionist movement? How did it come to be written? Unbroken has been on my shelf for some time, waiting to be read. Louis Zamperini, the hero, died just three months ago, at 97. What an amazing life. A great picture of him in the book,at page 384, skateboarding at eighty-one! Bully Pulpit is just full of the movers and shakers of a hundred years ago. (Wasn't that a touching scene in the Roosevelt doc on PBS a few weeks ago? An elderly person, called Susanna, remembered being asked by FDR, when she was a young child, at the resort for polio victims in Georgia, Do you mind if we call you Susie? And she asked in turn: do you mind if we call you Roosie?)

They all look interesting.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on October 15, 2014, 04:03:38 PM
So glad to see Sigrid Unset on the list - her books kept coming up as contenders for years and then I think folks got weary of making the suggestion - there was always a newer or more compelling book that we chose over Kristin Lavransdatter. I wonder if she will make it this time or in the next couple of months.

Yes Jonathan, Uncle Tom sure got some folks to act however, it is a mixed assessment as most Blacks speak about the book with disdain accusing a less than aggressive, mild mannered Brother or Sister Black of being an Uncle Tom which is not considered admirable except to us whites - ah so... point of view.

I wonder Jonathan have you ever read a book that gives the Arab point of view during the early twentieth century when their vast lands were being divided by European Power. Lawrence I understand speaks for the Arab point of view but is there anything you know of that actually speaks to the conflicts within Arab Tribes and the viewpoint of the various Arab leaders as to how their land should be divided. Seems to me the downfall of Turkey was also in the middle of all this.    
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Post by: JoanP on October 15, 2014, 08:21:12 PM
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Vote Today for NOVEMBER'S BOOK CLUB ONLINE
VOTE HERE (https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GM58C8L)
Titles are all linked to reviews or descriptions in the heading above



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Post by: Jonathan on October 16, 2014, 02:26:25 PM


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Let us know what books you've been reading that might make an interesting discussion.   Our discussion leaders are always looking for good ideas.






Good questions, Barb, and interesting remarks. Just the kind to stimulate a discussion. I don't like to reply since the voting has started, but...could Harriet Beecher Stowe ever have dreamed that she was giving offence by portraying someone's humanity as she did with the Blacks? It was just what made her case so strong.

I know nothing of an Arab point of view. My reading has made me aware only of tribal and sectarian interests. And many tribesmen were soldiers of fortune. Good pay and the promise of loot could soon bring them on side. While the European Imperialists fought over the carcass of the Ottoman Empire. Others saw a Promised Land.
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Post by: JoanP on October 20, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
Whatever happened to the just-started vote for the November Book Club Online?  We need to revisit the titles and perhaps add to them at another date.  There was nothing that resembled a consensus. and  it is too close to November 1 to come up with another slate. The VOTE  has been suspended for the time being.  We'll keep the suggested titles here and discuss them soon.

Hopefully you will be able to locate a copy of Richard Preston's The Hot Zone , which we have selected as a replacement for November. 
This book is as topical as it was when first published in 1995.  Nearly two decades later, Ebola has infected many hundreds of people in three countries across West Africa, in what is considered the worst outbreak in history. As fear over the deadly virus grows, we need a reminder of what we learned so long ago from Richard Preston's Hot Zone in 1995.

Post here if you might join the discussion of this book on Nov 1: http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4472.0
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Post by: marcie on October 20, 2014, 06:37:15 PM
The HOT ZONE sounds good, Joan. I'll look for it at my library. It is certainly a timely topic and I'd like to learn more.
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Post by: marjifay on October 21, 2014, 07:00:44 AM
Re Hot Zone, I'll pass.  I'm really tired of hearing/reading about Ebola.

Marj
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Post by: ANNIE on October 21, 2014, 11:43:21 AM
Me,too, Marj.  Just not my cup of tea.
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Post by: bellamarie on October 21, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
I will pass on the Hot Zone as well.  I just am burned out on it in the news.  Too political as well, considering how it's been handled.  Way too controversial for me.

Did I miss something??  What happened to voting on a book from the suggested titles?
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Post by: JoanP on October 21, 2014, 02:48:27 PM
You missed Post #1322, Bellamarie.  Voting a title by our posters is just one way of selecting books for our discussions.  This time it didn't work.  We had insufficient interest in any particular title - very few voters...and each title only had a vote or two - certainly not enough on which  to base a month-long discussion.
 Another way is for one of our Discussion Leaders to propose a title and go with it.  Another way is to consult with our Discussion Leaders for advice.  That is how we came up with The Hot Zone.  Right now there is strong interest in this book and the current epidemic.

We will look again at the proposed titles in the heading to try to decide which  have sufficient interest to remain on the ballot for  January. Maybe by then we can add some additional titles which indicate interest.    (We are already working on a plan for December.)
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Post by: salan on October 23, 2014, 04:43:10 AM
I will pass on the Hot Zone.  I, too, am tired of hearing about it & certainly don't want to read or discuss it.
Sally
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Post by: JoanP on October 23, 2014, 01:49:21 PM
From two of the comments here and in the Library, there seems to be some misunderstanding of what The Hot Zone is about...I am so sorry for not expressing it better and  repeat the post submitted in the Library this morning...


It is understandable that some of you are not interested in joining November's Book Club Online discussion of Richard Preston's 1994 non-Fiction The Hot Zone.  We understand that and respect that.   Just to clear up a few misunderstandings ...this will NOT be a frenzied  or a political discussion as some  recent comments here suggest.  Please give us more credit than that!

  Richard Preston's book is an even, balanced discussion of the Ebola disease, and how it was contained in the 1990's when it spread from Africa to the United States.  We are fortunate to have a scientist of 35 years at the National Institutes of Health leading this discussion (this is where you may have heard the nurse who contracted the disease is being treated today.)  Another nurse of 30 years in an ICU has just joined the discussion.  If you care to drop in and meet them yourselves,  the Prediscussion of The Hot Zone (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4472.msg235902#new) can be found here.

You may have heard Sheperd Smith's comments last week in which he explained why some may regard this as a political issure...in a balanced way.  You may  find this three minute video of interest:
Ebola  in the US (https://www.google.com/search?q=sheperd+smith+ebola&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS491&gws_rd=ssl).


 

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Post by: marjifay on December 30, 2014, 10:11:56 AM
the link to a new library section led to this December, 2009 page.
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Post by: ginny on December 30, 2014, 11:13:04 AM
 Where are you seeing this link, Marj?
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Post by: mabel1015j on March 31, 2015, 12:38:37 AM
Keep Quiet, Lisa Scottolini's new novel. It is nothing like the female law firm books. Some of my friends said they couldn't put it down; the husband on one friend read it in four days. It was not that compelling to me, but it is a page turner. Every one of us can identify with the characters. Have you ever made a seemingly small decision and a day or month or years later thought about what a disaster it could have been? This story is about such a decision.

LS writes an interesting story and about family relationships that all have some tension between them. It's a perfect book discussion book.

I don't want to give the story away, but if you are interested in more details here is the Amazon review link. Be careful, there may be some spoilers in the comments.

http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Quiet-Lisa-Scottoline/dp/1250010098

Jean
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Post by: bellamarie on April 07, 2015, 11:52:06 AM
My granddaughter who is a Sophomore in college just finished reading the book:

Educating Esme'  Diary Of A Teacher's First Year by Esme' Raji Codell

http://www.amazon.com/Educating-Esm%C3%A9-Teachers-Expanded-Edition/dp/1565129350

My granddaughter is in early childhood education courses, and raved about this book.  It is in the form of epistolary, the author's diary, a style of writing which I happen to love. 

I have not read this book yet, but intend to very soon.  Please alert me privately, ASAP if this could be our July teacher read.
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Post by: PatH on April 07, 2015, 03:08:50 PM
Bellamarie, that looks like a very good book, and it's available both as a paperback and in my library system.  Somebody has to check it out to see if it would work well in our style of discussion--not all good books do--and someone has to be willing to lead it.  So stay posted.

What is a teacher read?  I'm puzzled by the term.
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Post by: bellamarie on April 07, 2015, 03:56:44 PM
I saw a post stating a book about "teaching" is scheduled for July.  (a teacher read)  The title was not told to us just yet.  I don't want to read this book now, if it is indeed the book scheduled for July.

Thanks PatH., for your response.  Sorry about the term I used.  I simply meant, reading about a teacher.
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Post by: ginny on April 14, 2015, 12:19:41 PM
Absolutely right, too. I'm amazed you remember that as it was only mentioned briefly in the Library, good for you!  It's not Educating Esme, which looks absolutely fabulous, by the way, I may need to have that, too, but if the book is nominated,  I'll let everybody know. I always thought Up the Down Staircase was an hilarious take on what teaching was at one time. That author, sadly, just died. Loved that book but was teaching in a similar situation at the time, so it really resonated.

Yes we are planning a teacher read for July 7-31, and since we've all had a teacher at one point or the other in our lives, or our children have had teachers, or we may have been (or may still be) one ourselves, we all have had our lives touched in one way or another by a teacher, and we should have plenty of opinions about this one: good or bad.

I hope the book we've chosen is a good one,  and will spark a lot of discussion and maybe some debate. More on that in a couple of weeks.

Thank you for noticing.
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Post by: bellamarie on May 11, 2015, 07:24:20 PM
Good to know, thank you, Ginny.   I will be anxiously awaiting to see the title.  

The book I mentioned,  Educating Esme'  Diary Of A Teacher's First Year by Esme' Raji Codell, is a very short book.  I actually began reading it on a Sunday morning, and then finished it on Monday.  It is very much worth reading, IMO.
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Post by: mabel1015j on May 08, 2016, 01:36:59 AM
Ginny - i too read Up the Down Staircase my first year of teching. I was renting and boarding with a retired Latin teacher and I can picture sitting in her living room laughing outloud at the antics in the book. It may have been the first book I ever laughed outloud at while reading.

Jean
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Post by: hats on January 31, 2017, 04:49:25 AM
For those of you who travel, what is Scotland like? Is it as green as Ireland? Is there pink  heather on the sides of the roads? In "Midwinter" by John Buchan, there is a walker. He sees not one landmark along the way. So, he focuses on people passing by. Then, he sees an unfortunate and cruel act happening. If while walking, I lifted my eyes for a moment and stopped looking for the most beautiful rose or the prettiest fall tree whom would I see or meet? Would love to read this one with a group. The cover alone whets my appetite.

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Post by: PatH on January 31, 2017, 09:15:22 PM
Hi, hats.  Someone else will have to answer your question about Scotland, since I've never been there.  I've read books by John Buchan, though, and like them, but I haven't read that one.  If you've ever seen the movie The 39 Steps,  he wrote the book.   I see Midwinter takes place in 1745, but in some places the Scottish landscape hasn't changed much.  I'll try to get hold of a copy to see if it would make make a good discussion, and report back here.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on February 02, 2017, 04:26:35 PM
I live here but I haven't read that John Buchan book, though we did watch the old film of 39 Steps quite recently.

I will try to think of any other books that might fit with this. One book that I love (and the film is also brilliant) is Compton McKenzie's Whisky Galore - but it's not exactly about the scenery.

Rosemary
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Post by: Jonathan on February 03, 2017, 12:18:58 PM
Hi, hats. So nice to hear from you. I think I would like to read Midwinter. Something about Scotland? The Cranford discussion got me going on all kinds of things, like watching Mrs Brown last night, with Judi Dench as Queen Victoria. She fell in love with Scotland, and made a record of it in her book, Highland Journal. For a difficult time she refused to return to England. I believe, if I remember correctly, it was her publisher who persuaded her to come back to Windsor Castle. She was outselling Dickens with her Journal and her readers wanted her back.
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Post by: Jonathan on February 03, 2017, 12:25:54 PM
You've got me going. I've just found a book on my shelf that I must read. How the Scots Invented the Modern World, The true story of how Western Europe's poorest nation created our world and everything in it.

Let's get a discussion going. MIDWINTER sounds so seasonal.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on February 03, 2017, 01:11:09 PM
I have been looking at a few lists and these books are possibles:

Sunset Song - Lewis Grassic Gibbon

Whisky Galore - Compton McKenzie

The Quarry Wood - Nan Shepherd

I have only read Whisky Galore, which is brilliant and very funny in a kind of Brigadoon manner. A friend of mine loves Sunset Song, which is hugely popular and is now a set book for most schools. Nan Shepherd has been 'rediscovered' and acclaimed for her writing about Deeside and her affinity with nature. There is also, of course Walter Scott, but so far I've never got very far with any of his novels. I did, however, go to a talk about Scott during which the director of the Scottish Storytelling Centre read from one of the books - might have been Ivanhoe - and it was hilarious. He piled on the already plentiful melodrama and had us all in stitches. So maybe I'm just reading Scott wrong.

Rosemary


Rosemary

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Post by: Dana on February 09, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
I've read that book, "How the Scots Invented the Modern World"....a fellow Scot gave it to me.....its great for the Scottish ego, absolutely everything of any importance  was started one way or another by Scots.......that was my take away from it anyway, and I really enjoyed the book!!
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Post by: Frybabe on February 09, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
You just reminded me Dana, as I fish around for something other than Scifi to read, that I downloaded from somewhere a book called Scottish Inventors: How Scotland Invented Everything. It was written by Callan G. Anderson. I looked him up. It turns out that he as written quite a few "books", mostly in the business arena. Three of his titles, aside from his Scottish Inventors, stand out - Dyslexia Not for Dummies, The Accidental Arsonist, and Cigar Smoking for Beginners. I'm guessing the guy has a sense of humor. BTW, they are more like long essays, not books. I just discovered that his Scottish Inventors is only 55 pages long. Well!
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Post by: kidsal on August 16, 2017, 03:43:19 PM
Whisky Galore was made into a very funny movie. Always remember the checkpoint on the beach as if the enemy couldn't Come in at any point aLong the beach.  The residents were salvaging booze from a shipwreck!
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Post by: Frybabe on December 03, 2017, 05:52:27 PM
I think that Angle of Repose is worth a book discussion. I am not that far in, but it has all kinds of things to talk about, including the huge argument over the author's use of materials from Mary Hallock Foote's writings.

About the book: http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/novelreadings/a-kind-of-investigation-into-a-life-wallace-stegner-angle-of-repose/

About the author: https://wallacestegner.org/bio.html

Angle of repose is an actual scientific term. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/angle_of_repose

About Mary Hallock Foote, including links to some of her stories: https://americanliterature.com/author/mary-hallock-foote
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Post by: hats on November 28, 2018, 11:47:59 AM
There is a new book out by Barbara Kingsolver. The title is Unsheltered. I've only read the cover flap. It seems like a title with which any person might identify with and discuss. Wish me luck. I hope to fall in love with it for a little while.I might need a kleenex.
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Post by: bellamarie on December 01, 2018, 07:16:18 AM
Let us know how it goes hats. 
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Post by: hats on January 11, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
I didn't finished it. I had to take "Unsheltered" by Barbara Kingsolver back to the Public Library before finishing it. It seemed like another very good book written by her. I hope to get it again one day and finish it. I suppose it's about our American Dream failing us. I feel terrible writing that last sentence. Anyway, I'm glad to know Barbara Kingsolver is still writing and publishing.
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Post by: PatH on January 12, 2019, 11:40:48 AM
That's so frustrating, hats.  I've occasionally kept a book overdue a day or two to finish it, but it's too expensive to do often
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Post by: Frybabe on January 12, 2019, 12:57:53 PM
In addition, our library recently changed their rules for overdue payments, from a small accumulation to not being able to borrow another book until the overdue on the previous is paid. No more accumulations allowed. We were getting way too many people who let their overdues accumulate. We even had a few that would max their minimum overdue and then borrow someone elses card and proceed to do the same. Over a year ago, they tried sending overdue charges to a collection agency. I doubt that worked out very well, but by the time they decided to try that there were a bunch of people with large overdue book and movie charges. Considering the overdue charge is 50 cents a book and a dollar for movies, the overdue charge goes up fast.
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Post by: nlhome on January 12, 2019, 10:28:39 PM
Funny about overdue fees. Libraries in our area are considering dropping the fees altogether. For some, the cost of trying to collect the money is as much as the fines. And some libraries do not get to keep their fines for the library, but the money instead goes to the municipality general fund, so if they can find another way to keep books in circulation, they do that instead. And, of course, at least in our system, the ebooks and audiobooks from Overdrive just automatically "return" themselves when the time is up, so there is never a fine.
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Post by: PatH on January 12, 2019, 11:57:33 PM
Our fines are $1 a day, though they give you a day's grace.  And I think you can't borrow more until you've paid.

I would not letting you borrow more would keep the books circulating.
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Post by: hats on January 13, 2019, 01:28:33 AM
Path and nlhome, I didn't realize it. Library fines and rules are very diverse and expensive. Yikes! Our library is experimenting with hearing technology.
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Post by: Aberlaine on January 15, 2019, 02:54:50 PM
Our library charges $.25 per day per book, but we're allowed to sign a book out up to three times for a month at a time.  Unless someone else has a hold on it.  I get only older books from the library so I usually don't have any trouble finishing them in two months.  I'm usually trying to read three books at a time.  Right now I'm reading Britt Marie Was Here by Fredrik Backman (for my monthly book group), Sycamore Row by John Grisham and The Ninth Hour by Alice McDermott.
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Post by: hats on January 15, 2019, 02:59:37 PM
I haven't read F. Backman's novels yet. I want to read one of his books so badly. I must remember to put one on hold.
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Post by: bellamarie on January 15, 2019, 04:10:45 PM
Our library just started doing away with any late fees what so ever.  They used to not charge seniors for late fees, now it is everyone, but if you do not return the book, you will be charged to replace it.
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Post by: hats on January 16, 2019, 04:45:02 AM
I believe the library is worth all that it gives to the public. So, I don't worry about overdue charges. Therefore, I am not able to state the exact fines. When I worked at the library, I knew to the exact penny the charges. I had to because of the work at the Circulation Desk. I'm a person who does not worry about cost if you have what I like whether books or something else in a store or on line.