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The Paradise, Season 1 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
October 6 - November 17
Based on Émile Zola’s beloved classic novel, Au Bonheur des Dames, The Paradise revolves around the lives of the people who live and work in Britain's glamorous first department store, The Paradise. Each is bound in his or her own way by the power of the world they live in, and the pasts that follow them there. A love story, mystery, and social comedy all in one, the lavish costume drama stars Joanna Vanderham (What Maisie Knew) as Denise and Emun Elliot (Game of Thrones) as Moray, alongside Sarah Lancashire (Upstairs Downstairs), Elaine Cassidy (A Room with a View) and Patrick Malahide (Game of Thrones).
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Foyle's War, Season VII (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
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Looking forward to new CI Lewis. Really like him and his partner.
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Yea! I'm looking forward to new Inspector Lewis series. Let's hope PBS doesn't interrupt it too much with all their pledge drives. It seems they are having more & more of them and that they last longer and longer.
Sally
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Oh good. More Lewis. And a bonus of Peter Davison guest starring. Can't miss.
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I'm also looking forward to the new series.
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Me too :-) We just have to wait a couple of weeks until June 16 for the first one!
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The pledge drives have been going on on ours for over a week all ready. They have overdone it here. It is about every 6 weeks. Not always the big ones like the one now but big enough to now annoy me as the show to many that have been running for years.
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Look forward to spending time with Inspector Lewis.
Our PBS station had an auction this weekend. Glad that's over.
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Marking. Felt lost without a new program on PBS, but one of the stations rebroadcast an old Foyles War. I'd already seen it, but it bore rewatching.
Apparently, there were six seasons. I'm pretty sure I didn't see all of them.
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Will be no more Insp. Lewis shows after this next season they are saying. Must have gone through all the stories that author wrote. Sad, I liked both Insp Morse and Lewis.
Glad the are on DVD's
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It sounds like both lead actors thought it time to end the series. But we have this last season to watch now!
MASTERPIECE Mystery returns with an all-new season of murder and mayhem. Don't miss the premiere of Inspector Lewis: Down Among the Fearful, this Sunday, June 16. Follow Lewis and Hathaway as they uncover the double life of a murdered psychic.
Learn more at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e1-down-among-fearful/
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I finally got to see the first episode of The Bletchley Circle on Thursday night. I hope I remember to look for the next on this coming week.
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I'm glad you got to see Bletchley, Frybabe. I'm looking hopefully forward to season 2.
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Oh good, I thought it was a mini-series.
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Not doing much of any thing today. Just to hot. I find I get in the mood about 7pm when sun goes down.
Just watched a movie .had seen it before still cried . Name of it is "Cora Unashamed" think it is a tv Masterpiece one now on DVD
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I watched the new Inspector Lewis on Sunday. It was good, as usual. I didn't figure out who did it until just before Lewis figured it out.
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Also enjoyed Lewis on Sunday. I had suspicions of who the killer was. Sorry to hear that this will be their last series.
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I'm going to watch the episode on demand and will be back to comment. (I was watching THE KILLING on Sunday).
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I watched the Lewis on Sunday, too.
Is Cora Unashamed a movie with that wonderful actress who was in the series "I'll Fly Away"? I can't remember her name.
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I watched it tonight on an alternate PBS channel. I didn't watch it on Sunday because they started it at 10PM and I forgot. This one began at 8:50 and I missed the first 10 minutes but it was gettable, unlike some previous ones when I must say that even after watching them twice I didn't make sense of them. I thought this one was good (I didn't switch channels), and I was bothered by one thing only which must have been done on purpose by the direction, and that was Lewis talking with his mouth full of food at the end. I thought that was awful. Are they trying to point up his lower class origins? I thought it was totally uncalled for.
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I don't think of Lewis thought of as "low class" we did not use that term in U.K . It goes back a long way. We have .Working class,middle class. And still the so called High class. He would come Working class. This covers most of the population.means any on working in trades such as police.fire,farmers, miners teachers (unless you carried a high degree,then you could be middle class. Like my family for generations where trades people ( w.c). Some became middle after having more money..mrs Thatcher!s family came to this. Also the family of the now future Queen. Her family were Working class. Made a fortune in sales .so got to be middle. Now I suppose ,upgraded to High. More because of her and also their education. This is how you can bring your class up.
Low class would be still given to people having done something degradable.
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I don't think I said "low class," I said " lower class", and I meant in comparison with Hathaway; but I simply didn't understand why that was filmed that way. I have not seen anyone talking and chewing food at the same time, except a young man whose parents never taught their kids any manners, though they themselves had been brought up properly. And I did ask the young man nicely to swallow his mouthful before continuing his tale. But my point was why is that scene done that way? I don't expect Lewis (the character) to eat or talk like that. Not as shocking as Matthew Crawley being killed off, but very off-putting and unnecessary.
Sorry if that did not bother anyone else and I picked on a petty matter.
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I watched the Inspector Lewis episode and enjoyed it. Since I know it's going to be the last season, I can't help but wonder if Hathaway's comments at the end about not feeling like returning to work are foreshadowing the end.
My step-son is usually good at figuring out "who done it" though he sometimes guesses wrongly. While we were watching the episode he correctly guessed as soon as he saw the character. That guess made me analyze the show from that perpsective and so I sort of knew who did it from the beginning (though I wasn't absolutely sure till close to the end)
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Yes, I can often guess. There is a pattern.
About the crude chewing, maybe the producers felt that the social class theme, while obvious to Brits, would be lost on Americans, and wanted to make it more "in your face." Or maybe (I don't remember the scene) Lewis was irritated at Hathaway's "snootiness" (as he often is), and wanted to say "if you think I'm crude, I'll act that way."
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Thank you, Joan K. It was very crude, but this was when they were just sitting afterwards and kind of resting, and Hathaway was a little depressed, and Lewis tried to cheer him up, so nothing was implied by the mouthful. It was just jarring to me. Once you are an adult and with a responsible job, you just don't do that. Well, I should just forget about it. A bad directorial choice.
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I wonder how they are going to end the show. Didn't Morse show dying on the grounds of Oxford?. Lewis will most probably take retirement. Marry that one Dr. I think Hathaway is not happy with the profession he chose. That girl being murdered upset him. Doubt he goes back to Seminary life. Be interesting. Don't think they will leave it hanging.
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It looks like Hathaway won't be in tonight's episode.
THE RAMBLIN BOY
When D.S. Hathaway takes a holiday, Inspector Lewis is left with an awkward new partner, an embalmed murder victim, and a disturbing connection to a missing former colleague. Peter Davison (Doctor Who) guest stars.
See more information and a preview at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/
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He has substituted before. Hope it is not a repeat sneaking in on us.
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They say it's all new.
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WETA, one of our 3 PBS channels, showed the 1st new Lewis early this evening, and they are just about to follow that with the 2nd one, the one you mention just above here. I found the 1st to be full of holes, but more later. Have to watch the 2nd right NOW!
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Well, I had a marathon of 3 hours of Inspector Lewis last night. As I said, the first one, which most of you saw last week, was full of holes. I was most particularly annoyed because a bottle of that special stuff to stun horses or put them down was missing from that horse farm, and it tied in, supposedly, with the crippled boy and all that. But at the end, it turned out to be a totally different bottle of the same stuff that came from Angola in Africa and a totally different person who did the murders. They never DO explain what about the stuff missing from the horse farm! And many other holes. That sort of thing drives me crazy, but it is pleasant to see the actors, who are great, and the Oxford scenery.
The second show was much more fun, and we romantics got our jollies. It too was full of obvious holes, and absolutely did not connect the dots; but it was ever so much fun.
Then, believe it or not, I stayed up and watched the eleven o'clock rerun of last night's episode of THE KILLING on AMC. For a moment there, they actually showed SUNSHINE in Seattle! That actress, Mireille Enos, is flat out astonishing, and really the only reason I keep watching.
Color me exhausted, but I did have fun.
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Oh, definitely full of holes, but I was so happy to see Peter Davison was going to be in it. I actually met him years ago in connection with a mystery convention, but don't remember which. I wondered if I'd recognize him, and shouldn't have. Same face, just a little broader, and gray hair. I was sure he would be the villain because he always is and I won't tell here if I was right or wrong in my assumption, because someone here might not have seen the episode yet. And we did see plenty of Hathaway too and the little romance (finally!) was delightful. One shouldn't read ahead too much. These tales are so outrageous. Imagine if Oxford University were nothing but a nest of vipers and the faculty totally screwed up. Would you want your grandchildren to go to school there?
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What a Joy to see Lewis and Laura back together - as a pair they are delightful
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Zulema, I am also glad to see Peter Davison making the rounds. I first saw him in Doctor Who and then as Campion. He has been a very busy guy, even if we haven't seen much of him here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Davison Interesting to see that his daughter is married to David Tennant, another former Doctor Who.
I liked the guy who played his substitute partner. Where have I seen him before, he looks familiar.
Addition: Guess not. Played on one or two shows back in 2009. Don't imagine I would have remembered him from there. He just has a familiar face.
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Some of my family have attended . Also my GD.husband. I have visited last few years . Not like it was years ago. No scuffing dressing then. No mixes sexes livin together. It is like the show shows it. Most campuses now changed. I live (30 yrs ) within a mile of our state one. Now 37000 students. Way changed. No rules at all. Just as long as can pay tuition. Glad all mine are through.
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I am pleased to see that Edward Fox will be in the final episode of Inspector Lewis.
Just noticed: The pilot program for Endeavor is available to watch online until July 23 for anyone who missed it or wants to refresh their acquaintance before the new series starts.
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My PBS is showing a program about Henry the VIII's (I think that's the right one), house just before Inspector Lewis.
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Looks like last nights " Lewis" is the last one for us. Will miss as much as I still miss "Morse". Both be hard to replace.
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Yes, it appears they are ending the series with Lewis and Hathaway - some of the stories were spotty - where I like Hathaway there were times their buddy system was not smooth - looked to me like for the past two or three stories Hathaway is wearing a hairpiece - I think the Morse Lewis combo was smoother and part of that was they featured Morse where as this one they tried to include Hathaway in every scene till last week when he came in briefly at the beginning and at the end. Last night I thought was smoother than most of the stories.
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But they did leave themselves wiggle room, if they want to do more another year.
Now maybe they'll rebroadcast some of the Morse, many of which I haven't seen.
Boy is Hathaway thin. He's always been so, but I think he's positively anorexic this year. Hope he's all right.
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Foyle's War, Season VII
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
I read somewhere this was the last Ins. Lewis. I went to PBS.com and watched last year's young Inspector Morris. They are starting the new series (4) of young Inspector Morris next week on our PBS station. I'm looking forward to them.
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I enjoyed the last episode. If the series had to end, it was a pretty satisfying ending.
I checked and found out that Edward Fox who played the "master" is Laurence Fox's (Hathaway) uncle.
Yes, Jean, the next Masterpiece series will be a "Morse" series -- a prequel: "Endeavour" -- Morse as a young DC.
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Have a Glorious Celebration of this grand day for us all!
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Thanks, MaryPage. Yes, it was a wonderful day!
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I am trying to picture him as Ghandi and it is not coming to me.
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Oh golly. I was flipping around the channels tonight because there was nothing on and the DVD player would not play the Doc Martin DVD I got from Netflix so I can look at it and see if it's Port Isaac, and lo and behold they were showing Doc Martin! I could not believe it! I missed the first part of it.
It was an episode from series 2 about his father and his mother. What a strange relationship they had. I'm going to have to see more episodes and see what's going on. But I love it, absolutely love it.
Some of the scenes looked a lot like Port Isaac, and I think some of them were, but some of them didn't. But they shot five of that series there so it's possible it was.
Sure makes me want to go back there. AND to see the whole series. I didn't think I'd like it. Thank you to whoever mentioned it here. I love it.
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I watched a Doc Martin episode last night also. I enjoy it.
And I finally was able to watch the last of the Inspector Lewis episodes on line, on the 4th of July. I'm hoping to watch the Endeavor episode tonight on TV, but my husband has a hard time with the accents, so sometimes it's easier to watch on line by myself.
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I loved the dr. Martin series. Managed to get all the DVD from my library. Now is it no longer being shown in the u.k? Mine ended where they decided to marry.
I don't have cable and so unable to watch it on t.v
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" Mine ended where they decided to marry"
I was going to make a comment, but don't want to spoil it for GINNY. GINNY, you can get most of the episodes online. I don't know anyone who's watched it and didn't like it.
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I enjoyed Doc Martin hugely; about 3 times for each and every episode.
He is playing William on William and Mary on PBS stations now.
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And there's a website for the Doc Martin show and they are filming a new season, season six, which they will wrap in July 2013.
In fact today, July 7, one could meet him at one of the tea shops at Port Isaac. :)
http://www.docmartinonline.net/
Season Six
Filming for season 6 / series 6 of Doc Martin is expected to wrap up by end of July, 2013.
Post Production has already begun on many of the episodes. At this stage, the series is expected to air in September 2013 in the UK.
I came in as i said in the middle of it and thought I could not watch it, he was so abrupt. I didn't understand it and thought I'd watch it to see Port Isaac. I am sure glad I stuck it out, I'm hooked. I need to see them all, thank goodness for Netflix.
I am happy to see so many fans here, and to see I can watch some of it online till Netflix comes!!! Thank you Joan K, nlhome and MaryPage.I still don't understand his parents, that was really one of the nastiest mother performances I ever saw. Golly moses. But it adds humanity to him. (Doesn't his Aunt Joan look like Barbara Bush?) I actually had never heard of the series!
PBS here is rerunning Downton Abbey here, they are up to the episode where Sibyl wants to marry the chauffeur.
I need to watch the spoof again. :)
What strikes me this time is how attractive the female cast is and I did not think so initially. I especially thought Mary and the middle daughter were so plain. They don't look plain to me now.
Even the nasty maid is quite pretty, and she looks to be a younger woman than i first thought. This one might be worth watching again too.
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The July 7 episode of Endeavour
Burgled gas meters, the sudden death of a pretty young secretarial student, and a string of post office robberies threaten to mask the solution to a pair of violent murders as DC Endeavour Morse and DI Thursday's newly forged relationship is tested to the breaking point.
Shaun Evans (The Take, The Last Weekend, Silk) stars as the solitary and cerebral young Inspector Morse, conducting his dogged, incorruptible pursuit of justice from the shadows of Oxford and the fringes of the police force. Roger Allum costars as Detective Inspector Fred Thursday, and Abigail Thaw, daughter of Inspector Morse star John Thaw, makes special guest appearances as Dorothea Frazil, in this new mystery written by Inspector Lewis creator and Inspector Morse writer, Russell Lewis.
I didn't get a chance to watch it tonight but will watch it "on demand" on my cable in the next day or two. You can also see the episode online at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/
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I was not prepared to like the retro Morse but find it quite wonderful - love hearing the classical music again and his Jack of all Trade attitude about his ability to tap into a wide knowledge - now I better understand Hathaway since Lewis, when he was Morse's sidekick was not the intellectual compared to Morse and so they needed that element. The series is set in the town of one of the oldest universities.
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Thank you, thank you, Ginny for the info on Doc Martin. I love this series. Evidently, I missed season 1; so will have to try to get it.
I watched Endeavor last night. I found the episode rather confusing. Not sure whether I like it, but will definitely watch other episodes.
Sally
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Last week, before Masterpiece theater, I watched Secrets of the Manor: Henry III which turned out to be Hampton Court. Very interesting. This week was a tour and history of the Spencer home, Althorp, also interesting. The outside shots looking down at the manor reminded me of the outside shots of D'Arcy's home in Pride and Prejudice (the Keira Knightly version). Next week will be a place in Devonshire. The clip showed a brief interior shot of one of the rooms with a lot of statuary. It reminded me of some of the interior shots of the same movie. Now I am curious to find out where they filmed Pride and Prejudice.
I watched Endeavor last night. Although it is certainly watchable and I did enjoy it, the evidence was so feather light that it is a wonder anyone could have put it together to get the correct answer. The ending relied on Morse's fondness for puzzles and the true killer confessing. If the limited hard evidence were followed, the wrong person would have been charged. EM's talent lies in taking misleading and/or no evidence and thinking outside the box to come to a correct conclusion.
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I watched last night, and loved it. So tell me, which part was played by Thaw's daughter? I don't remember the name, so what did she DO? I gather she was neither of the young women: Pamela or Helen.
"Next week will be a place in Devonshire."
Chatsworth! Probably the most fabulous of all the amazing homes in Great Britain. Only it is NOT in Devonshire. It is in Derbyshire.
You see, Queen Elizabeth got mixed up. The first one. The red headed virgin.
She was supposed to tap her sword on this man's shoulders and declare him Duke of Derbyshire. But she slipped and said Devonshire instead. And so there is another inexplicable and fun thing to tell about those wonderful British Isles.
The Dukes of Devonshire have held their estate in Derbyshire for centuries. It was on the top of David's list of things he wanted to see when we went to England in 1971. So we did. We spent the better part of a day there.
I have been fascinated with the six famous Mitford sisters since I read Jessica Mitford's THE AMERICAN WAY OF DEATH in the early sixties. I bought (and own) every book the sisters ever wrote, or was written about them. I have what might be termed an eccentric collection. Some of which I have passed on to my history teaching PH.D. granddaughter, Paige. She will eventually, at my death, receive the whole thing.
Deborah Mitford, the baby of the family, married the 2nd son of the then Duke of Devonshire. Son number one, the adored heir, was killed in World War II. Suddenly Debo was in line to become the duchess. And so she did. And single handedly saved Chatsworth for another generation. No one ever expected her to become an author like her much more famous sisters; but she did. Look her up! She is the Dowager now, and her son is the Duke. Her 5 sisters are all dead.
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MaryPage, you must be talking about the prequel. Thaw's daughter played Dorthea Frazil who was a secretary or assistant of some kind at the college. Blond? Small part as I recall. See will show up again in at least three of the series - Home, Rocket, and Fugue.
Thanks, BTW, now I can up Chatsworth. So, I am not the only one who got confused. ;D
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That series of the Great Houses is wonderfully done. I saw a bit of Althorp and loved the bit about how they were able to face the stone on it, those are really good. All I could think of, tho, looking at that island where Diana is supposedly buried is how she appealed to her brother to stay at Althorp and he turned her down. I hope I have that right, and I hope that was perhaps mis reported, but that's what was said at the time.
So I won't be going to Althorp.
The series is really exciting tho, and I hope to watch the next one.
I did try (I do realize this discussion is about mysteries on PBS hahaha) to watch Endeavour, I got as far as the electric shock therapy, could not take any more. I do think the actor is one of the most unattractive men I have ever seen; he certainly grew up to be very handsome, didn't he? hahahaha. Really did not care for it, and believe it or not, it gave me nightmares last night. I have no idea why, but I'm going to pass on it. :)
You're welcome, Salan, on Doc Martin. :) I've actually been to that tea house and would have loved to have attended a meet n greet with the actor when I was there.
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http://www.focusfeatures.com/article/pride___prejudice__the_locations?film=pride_and_prejudice
Found the locations for the Pride and Prejudice movie. I was right about Chatsworth (thanks to MaryPage), but not right that Althorp was used.
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Now I'm really confused over the Devonshire/ Derbyshire thing. Is this the Duchess of Devonshire? The one who has chickens? If so I have one of her books, what a life. It's interesting that the cover of the book in the UK shows her holding a chicken and the same book in the US shows her in full ball gown regalia. I wonder why the difference.
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Maybe the editors decided we Yanks wouldn't give her proper deference if she was holding a chicken, but the Brits would be too in awe of her if she was in full regalia.
I watched Endeavor last night, but had to leave in the middle for about 15 minutes. between that and the fact that I couldn't understand some of the actors, I found it very confusing.
And there was no evidence: if the murderer had not confessed, they could never have tried him/her.
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I really enjoyed last night's Endeavor. I think young Mr. Morse is rather appealing and thought his concern for the young woman showed a caring side. Reminds me of the first episode when he explained to the professor's wife that her singing brought the first beauty to his life. He evidently had no loving parents and connected to the younger sister in last night's episode because of that.
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JoanK
You are right. On endeavor last night. The mumbling was awful. Specialy the young girl who had the baby. Me being from UK and having a accent myself could not understand her at all. And I am from the north where accents really strong..
The show not as good as the (Morse). Shows. Or even Lewis.
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Right on, Ginny!
You've got the right Duchess. And I have the book with her on the cover holding a chicken, as well!
And also the book showing her much younger in an evening gown. Two different books. Not the same book at all. There have been many!
She is now the Dowager, as her daughter-in-law is the Duchess. You mostly see her son, the Duke, and her daughter-in-law in the 3 shows they show on PBS about Chatsworth. And yes, Chatsworth is in Derbyshire. And the owners and inhabitants of Chatsworth are the Dukes of Devonshire. Deborah Mitford Cavendish (Cavendish being the family surname for the Dukes of Devonshire who live in Derbyshire) lives in the Dower House on the estate now. Look for a very old lady with white, white hair and a huge sense of humor, and you will discover her in those films about Chatsworth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/02/books/review/Schillinger-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Cavendish,_Duchess_of_Devonshire
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MaryPage:
You've got the right Duchess. And I have the book with her on the cover holding a chicken, as well!
And also the book showing her much younger in an evening gown. Two different books. Not the same book at all. There have been many!
Well I am confused then. Because both of these books have the same title: "Wait for Me!". It may be hard to see written across both books, in red on the top illustration and in white on the bottom cover:
American Edition: (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tpGNxe2NL._SY346_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_.jpg) Here is the URL for this one showing the title more clearly: http://www.amazon.com/Wait-Me-Memoirs-Deborah-Mitford/dp/B00969INPU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1373498258&sr=8-6&keywords=Duchess+of+Devonshire
And here's the British Edition:(http://seniorlearn.org/latin/graphics/WaitforMe.jpg)
Sure looks like the same book to me? Yes the covers and wording are different which is true of a lot of books when they come here from the UK, but I am thinking they are the same.
There's also an American paperback showing her much younger in sort of washed added color tones with what appears to be a black dog. But mine has the chicken. :)
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I watched the first episode of Endeavour. As you've all said, the evidence was pretty slim and the motives were kind of odd. But I'm disposed to like the young Morse and hope to learn more about him in the next episodes.
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I'm sorry Ginny, I was mistaken. I have much older copies of these books, and was totally unaware that they have all been reissued with new and different covers. My Wait For Me has the younger Deborah in the ball gown. I was thinking about Count My Chickens and Home To Roost. But when I check on the covers, on line, those have changed TOO! It does not look, however, to be a British/American thing, but new issues having been given different covers.
Beats me!
But I apologize for being so adamant. I was thinking strictly of the books I own.
https://www.google.com/search?source=ig&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS283&q=books+by+Deborah+Devonshire&oq=&gs_l=
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Not a problem, it IS confusing. You know more about her than I ever will. :)
I think of Agatha Christie as a prime example of changes of titles and covers. Before I knew about that I thought I had found an Agatha Christie I had never read, and got all excited. hahahaa
When Wait for Me came out in the UK in 2010, the Guardian ran a nice piece on it. this page being even more remarkable for the absolutely hatchet job of the review of a new book, Horace and Me, on the side bar. My GOSH what a book review. Just NASTY. Of course I haven't read the book, it may be, too. (I expect, since these sidebars are replaced daily, that it may be gone now but I do think it was the nastiest review I have ever read).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/sep/12/mitford-debo-deborah-devonshire-nancy-decca
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I think last night's Endeavor was much better than the first. It felt more like the old Morse. However, I did guess the murderer fairly early on.
Missed most of Chatsworth (forgot). Will have to watch it later. Next week is Highclere.
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Looks like it would be a treat to go back to Chatsworth - I visited in either 1978 or '79 just before they paid off the enormous tax and had not started on the restoration. I remember an upstairs family dining room that was more somber and do not remember the glory of the downstairs dining room - the hall with all the statues is what made an impression and the collections behind glass shelves in one of the large halls of the variety of family china from various era's. Seems to me there was a large orangery. I did not know the history of the gardens and that was interesting to learn - I could go back and spend a couple of days in the gardens alone.
During that trip in the late 70s I remember visiting Hatfield House. Smaller and not near as grand but filled with Tudor Needlework which at the time was my passion.
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Endeavor, it is o.k but I keep wanting the old Morse to show. I can' t stand 2 people in this one. First that little man in his full uniform. Chief I believe and then that smart mouth Sargent, always with a cig. In his mouth. I think Morse should stick up to him or sock him one or the other. The Sargent in the original morse was Lewis I believe or may be he came after Morse got his promotion .
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Jeanne, I miss the "old" Morse too but I'm warming up to the younger one.
I don't think we're suppposed to like actor Anton Lesser as Chief Superintendent Reginald Bright (the little man in the full uniform). I think he is doing a good job in his part. ;)
I too figured out who did it but wasn't sure who was going to be "done in."
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I miss the old Morse, also. I can't seem to warm up to the young Morse. Maybe he'll grow on me. So far this series seems a little convoluted and confusing; but still worth watching.
Sally
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I'm enjoying Endeavor and like young Morse in all his intensity. My husband guessed the murderer but I thought for a while it was the pianist. The Chief Inspector is showing a fondness for Morse and respect for his intelligence and talent. This series has already been shown in Great Britain and I read it was so well liked they are going to film four more. Is that right, Marcie? You seem to keep up with these things.
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I like this young Morse a lot.
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FlaJean,
There is an article at http://viciousimagery.blogspot.com/2013/05/second-series-of-endeavour-is-surely-be.html that says that a second series of 4 more stories has been commissioned. It's a nice article about the series and emphasizes the great production value --photography, scenery and attention to period detail -- that marks this series and the Inspector Morse and Lewis that preceded it.
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I forgot to mention that I thought that having Endeavour be called to lead the investigation because of his expert knowledge of opera was a nice touch.
I found some photos of a young John Thaw to see how the actor who plays Endeavour compares with him. I think there are similarities. See http://johnthaw.topcities.com/visitors15.html
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Thanks, Marcie, for that information. I tried to get the old Inspector Morse series on Netflix but they only have DVDs and I only use the streaming Netflix.
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I agree that the second one was much better than the first. And I loved the music connection.
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Our Maryland Public Television, otherwise known as MPT, has taken to running a George Gently and a DCI Banks murder mystery every Saturday night. LOVE them! Both British, and both from series of books. I own every DCI Banks book ever written. I love the actors who play the parts. Gently's face, in particular, is fascinating; but Banks has a most interesting look, as well. He grows on you.
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Foyle's War, Season VII
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
I rewatched Endeavor last night just to see the Bodlian Library (or representation) again. Goodness, five stories of underground storage. Prior to that they were running Waiting for God (which I like) and something called Ladies of Letters (which I don't).
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The actor playing DCI Banks when he was younger was the priest in Ballykissangle and here he is the game keeper at an African compound on one of the Spanish channels - not sure the entire story if it is a national park or what since my Spanish is not that good. .
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Hmmmm, my PBS station hasn't shown any of the DCI Banks shows.
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Well, catch them if you possibly can. The DCI Banks AND the George Gently. Both are great, and very British.
LOVED the opera music chosen to begin last night's Morse. One of my all time favorites: Va Pensiero from Nabucco by Verdi. It is definitely my favorite opera chorus.
That being said, I enjoyed the show last night enormously. I have really become so very fond of this Morse.
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I have two pbs channels and they've started showing DCI Banks and Ins. Morse on Monday night. I'm enjoying Banks but i'd like to smack the character "Annie".At one point in the shows she leaves and he gets a new female partner played by the actress on Doc Martin. i don't know if that takes place in the books.
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Those two on this young Morse, I still can't stand them. The little police chief and the Sargent. Stopping me from enjoying the show.
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They are a bit nasty, JeanneP. The Chief seems a parody of an ineffectual dictator: vain, paranoid, autocratic. The Sargent is just plain nasty: jealous, vindcitve, smarter than you attitude. The scene at the beginning of the show where the Chief was addressing the officers about the upcoming visit made me think, "Heil HItler". Ugh! Did this guy ever play a Nazi officer, I wonder.
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I think the chief is slowly getting his comeuppance - he was in a panic because things were not smooth during the Royal visit. Without him and the Sargent we would not have a picture of what Morse put up with during his early career - The older Morse is quiet, individualistic in response to the office politics showing us how he developed his standing as a force to be reckoned with.
If you notice he does not say anything when both characters are heaping on their abuse and dismissal of him - he isn't even rolling his eyes at the Sargent any longer. The chief just does not like him and the Sargent is probably looking out to maintain his status and does not want the competition. We see a bond developing between the young Morse and Detective Inspector Fred Thursday that would not be as important if there was peace and good will among all of them.
I am thinking the willingness of the young Morse to befriend a foot soldier may be unusual - the status of each character seems to be making a point of how the layers of society acted out their status during these early days right after WWII - from this last episode we learn that Morse did graduate from University where as, a foot soldier or cop as we would refer to him probably only attended school till he was 16, the age when the working class completed their formal education.
We learn that while in school Morse was awkward, shy and a loner which would not put him on an easy footing with others of his age like the Sargent but would be someone an older man would want to put under his wing. A successful younger man would mean to mentor the young man was taking on a group who would in time challenge him, or having the young man being mentored having to break away from the group. Morse, a loner is the perfect candidate to mentor since we all feel he is treated unfairly and needs someone to stand up for him.
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Back to the week before for a second. I forgot to mention that I thought the actor who plays Thursday did an excellent job, at the end of the program, of being rattled and trying to tough it out after his near death experience at the end of the program.
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I like Thursday a LOT. He has to keep his job and feed his family, but he does believe strongly in Morse and goes out of his way to promote him with the horrid little chief.
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Like most of you, I very much enjoyed the last Endeavour episode. The plot was again a bit confusing but the episode was interesting. We meet a classmate of Morse from the University. He does seem very awkward around her. She seems to know him very well and decides that he's "not ready" The young woman asks Morse is he is still in love with his first romantic interest -- someone he knew during his time at the University. I wonder if we'll find out more about her. I tried to find out if the woman ever came up in the original Morse series. Wikipedia says: "Although details of Morse's career are deliberately kept vague, it is hinted that he won a scholarship to study at St John's College, Oxford. He lost the scholarship as the result of poor academic performance resulting from a failed love affair, which is mentioned in the series in Season 3, Episode 2, "The Last Enemy", and recounted in detail in the novel The Riddle of the Third Mile, chapter 7. Forced to leave the University, he entered the Army and, on leaving it, joined the police."
My library doesn't have Colin Dexter's "The Riddle of the Third Mile" so I can't pursue this lead.
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I saw Abagail Thaw in the credits for the last show. Did anyone catch her? I must have blinked when she was on and missed her. That gives me an excuse to watch it again on Saturday rerun.
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Yes, Morse's lost love showed up in one of, if not the, the very last episodes before his death. In fact, I sort of kind of remember she came to see him with a problem. About her husband? Any case, they did not rekindle anything, but it was obvious he adored her. Well, that is MY memory, which tends to be very poor these days. Anyone else?
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This is all I can find in Wikipedia about that:
"Although details of Morse's career are deliberately kept vague, it is hinted that he won a scholarship to study at St John's College, Oxford. He lost the scholarship as the result of poor academic performance resulting from a failed love affair, which is mentioned in the series in Season 3, Episode 2, "The Last Enemy", and recounted in detail in the novel The Riddle of the Third Mile, chapter 7. Forced to leave the University, he entered the Army and, on leaving it, joined the police. He often reflects on such renowned scholars as A. E. Housman who, like himself, failed to get an academic degree from Oxford."
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The PBS site says that Abigal Thaw plays the journalist, Dorothea Frazil. I don't know if they just keep her name in the credits for the whole season. I don't recall her being in the last episode, though she may have been.
MaryPage, I don't recall which "girlfriend" was one Morse was involved with originally in his college days.
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Wasn't there one episode where there was a murdered husband and the wife of that husband was the girlfriend he was in love with a long time ago. She ended up being the killer.
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Jeriron, I think you are right. At http://www.all-allam.com/factfiles/inspectormorse.html there is a photo of the actress Joanna David and the site says:
In his undergraduate days Morse had a relationship that ended badly and resulted in him losing his scholarship and having to leave university without a degree to join the army. This relationship is first alluded to in the second episode of series 3, ‘The Last Enemy’ where Alexander Reece (a character who recurs in the Endeavour pilot) mentions ‘Wendy.’ Later, in the first episode of series 6, ‘Dead on Time’ a character appears who is presumed to be the same woman, but this time her name is ‘Susan.’ In Endeavour a scene between Morse and Reece cleverly accounts for this apparent confusion: ‘Reece: What was the name of that girl we were keen on… Wendy, was it? Morse: Susan. She preferred Susan.’ Since then, it would appear that Morse’s potential love interests have mostly been either murder victims or murderers themselves. Some critics have accused the character of misogyny, but, though there is certainly a difference in his attitudes towards men and women, it usually manifests in him being more sympathetic towards the latter.
I think in the episode where Morse meets her again, her husband has died of an apparent suicide but I seem to recall it was an "assisted suicide" -- assisted by his wife, Susan, who agreed to help him end his life before his illness got worse.
It is interesting that the actress is married to Edward Fox (https://www.google.com/search?q=joanna+david&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#client=firefox-a&hs=hJp&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=edward+fox&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAGOovnz8BQMDAy8HsxKnfq6-gWFFcVIG69Jf7y7tfnjwj7e1ogXjn1hhpphDAEeL4OUqAAAA&ei=IWPwUYqiNuS8igKb9YDABQ&ved=0CL0BEJsTKAIwFQ&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.49784469,d.cGE&fp=df30da2be84e1fe9&biw=1556&bih=935).
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Also re:Abigail Thaw. J Thaws daughter
She plays the part of Doreatha Fazll the same part she played in the pilot. I believe she's the journalist.
Marci I think you have the story right about his ex girlfriend Susan
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Thanks, Jeriron.
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I've enjoyed all of the Endeavor series. Each one seems to be better the last.
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I read it's been renewed for next season. 4x120 ep.
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FlaJean, I agree that each of the episodes are getting better. Jeriron, yes, it's been renewed for another season of four episodes. This may be the article you found: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press-releases/itv-recommissions-endeavour-second-series
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Marcie
Yes that's the one I read.
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Marcie.
If I think back to the CI Morse series. It does seem like a Love affair happened for Morse when in Univ. He never got over what happened and this is the reason for not marrying.
It came up a couple times at the beginning of the Series.
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Jeanne, I hadn't remembered that from the series but now recall Wendy/Susan.
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I was thinking the last week show that the women in there had been the one. She not knowing that Morse was in love and she just not that into him back then and took off with someone else
Lets try Googling it.
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Jeanne, I don't think it was the company "secretary" from last week that was Morse's original love interest in college. At one point she says to him, "Are you still in love with her?"
This Sunday is this season's last Endeavour episode. In "Endeavour: Home," Morse must choose between the responsibilities of his job and loyalty to his mentor. There is an enticing preview (only available in the U.S.) at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/shorts/endeavour-scene-home/?elq=11fa65d8b4754eaeb00733d545129183&elqCampaignId=654
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From the old Inspector Morse "Dead on Time"
It begins with a startled look on Morse's face when he realizes the dead body belongs to the husband of his lover who broke his heart (and ruined his university career) by leaving him many years ago. It ends with Sergeant Lewis protecting his partner with a touching loyalty expressed through subtly phrased lines. Susan Fallon is the lovely, accomplished blonde with whom we would imagine Morse falling in love (and surely never completely out of love.) Despite Morse's usual ill temper and irritation with the world, we forgive him his faults in those scenes when his blue eyes soften and tear with the pain of loving this woman.
Here's an excerpt:
Episode 21. 'Dead On Time'
Strange: You said it was suicide, Morse. Then some GP comes down from Ben Nevis, waving some pages of A4 - and everything changes!
Morse: It was Mrs. Fallon I knew - before she became Mrs Fallon. We were engaged to be married.
Susan Fallon: Did you hate me ...?
Morse: Hate you? My God, Susan...
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Marcie, that was an enticing teaser to Sunday's show. :). Jeriron, I sure wish Netflix would add those old Morris videos to their streaming side.
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flajean
I do too.
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Jeriron, thanks very much for finding that dialog from the old Morse. He was actually engaged to (Wendy)Susan! She must have broke it off.
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I think I read she was engaged to some one else and they broke up so she started going out with Morse and they got engaged. Then her other boyfriend came back and she broke it off with Morse and went back with the other man. I wonder if it was the same one she was married to in "Dead on Time."
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I just found a Masterpiece series on Netflix that was never shown on our local PBS station. It's called Heat of the Sun about a detective from Scotland Yard (in the 1930s) exiled to Kenya for killing an important man. The first episode (pilot?) is movie length. The other episodes are 45 or 50 minutes. Really interesting.
Looking forward to tonight's Endeavor.
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Jean, it looks like my Amazon Prime has it also. I am going to have to put it on my watch list.
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I hadn't heard about HEAT OF THE SUN, FlaJean. I'll have to look for it.
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Gosh, big decision tonight. Do I watch the last " morse" or the first new show of a program I love." Unforgettable" with Poppy Montgomery. Both start at 8 pm here?
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Thanks for reminding me, JeanneP. My not unforgettable brain forgot it was starting the new season tonight. Now I am in the same dilemma as you.
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Me too. I watched Unforgettable (I'm glad it was "reinstated.") I'll watch MORSE on my cable on demand in the next day or two.
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Watched Morse. Another great performance by the guy who plays Fred Thursday. I'm not quite satisfied with the ending though.
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Did this episode seem more muddled than usual; or is it just my brain!
Sally
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Foyle's War, Season VII
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
It was kind of muddled, but I did enjoy it nonetheless. I really like the "Thursday" character.
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I do, too; I like him a lot.
And yes, the plot seemed very confusing.
I thought the night club singer was very good. Interesting that the music was not opera in the opening, as it always has been.
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it appears there was a back story that was not made very clear with Fred Thursday and the criminals. Not sure what knowing about his father's death had to do with the story - I would assume it was a way to better understand Morse but I just could not make the connection. And then I was not sure I thought the girl in the house was the one who saw him off on the train and was his sister but that kiss was not meant as a sister kiss but as she said for Morse to do with it what he wanted. I think they packed too much in without ample explanation but a lot of inferences that I am usually good at but this time went over my head.
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I agree, Barb. They tried to pack to much backstory in. I am not sure about the criminals and Thursday's former partner (Carter?) either. I got the impression that either this Carter fellow got mixed up with the criminals and was on the take and/or that the criminals ambushed him and bumped him off. The best I can say about his father is that the relationship was strained and he continued to disapprove of Morse's choice of careers right up to his death leaving unresolved issues and not more chance at reconciliation.
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Now was Fred Thursday in the first "Morse" I don't remember
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I watched the episode of Endeavour also. I agree with you all that the Fred Thursday character is great. I think that all of the actors are very good. John Thaw's daughter had a bit more of a role in this one than in the past.
I agree also that it seemed that there were some things that came up that we were given hints about but didn't find out until later. Like the "Carter" character. It was a bit confusing. Carter was a good cop who was killed by the gangsters. Then he was framed. Thursday regrets that he left the area to protect his young family rather than take on the gangsters and clear Carter's name.
Morse did a lot of detective work in this one. And I didn't recall from the "Inspector Morse" series that he was such a good shooter. LOL, it's finally something that the little man in uniform admires about him. I wonder if the part about Fred Thursday mistakenly thinking that Morse is dating his daughter will come back in the next season. I don't think that he would really be that calm believing that Morse took her to that nightclub (especially after he specifically told Morse that it was too dangerous for Morse himself to go there). We leave a seemingly lonely and somewhat depressed Morse at the end. It seems true to his later character.
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Jeanne, I don't remember Thursday from the "Inspector Morse" series. I think he's supposed to be about 20-25 years older than Morse so he probably would be retired.
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Thursday having that gun in last show. That would have been his private owned. No one in police carried a gun back then. Never said why Morse. Got to be a good shooter. Never did he use one in his show. There are special branches of UK police now carrying guns?
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JeanneP, after Morse dropped out of University, he joined the army for a time. Apparently that is where he learned to shoot.
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Jean
Yes, I had forgotten that. Now has his army days been mentioned in this current Morse?
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Yes. It was pointed out that he learned his skill in the army. I think it was Morse himself who said so.
The girl who kissed him at the train station WAS his sister. Apparently his half sister, but his sister nonetheless. He was surprised and commented that their family did not do that (show affection), but she said he looked like he could use a bit of that. I think it was totally sisterly and not meant to be anything else. Nice that his sister cares about him.
The gun was Thursday's privately owned. The episode showed him going to his home and getting it out and putting bullets in it.
And no, Thursday is not a character in the Morse series, but Morse may have referred to him in one or more of the books when talking with Lewis. I think the writers of this series have tried hard to pick up all the hints possible from the books about Morse's earlier life.
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MaryPage do you know the author or the name of the series - I have looked and looked and could not find a book on Amazon but meybe it is under another name = please any thing you can share that would help me locate the book I would appreciate it.
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Colin Dexter was the author.
Wikipedia list:
Last Bus to Woodstock (1975)
Last Seen Wearing (1976)
The Silent World of Nicholas Quinn (1977)
Service of All the Dead (1979)
The Dead of Jericho (1981)
The Riddle of the Third Mile (1983)
The Secret of Annexe 3 (1986)
The Wench is Dead (1989)
The Jewel That Was Ours (1991)
The Way Through the Woods (1992)
The Daughters of Cain (1994)
Death is Now My Neighbour (1996)
The Remorseful Day (1999)
One more if found: Morse's Greatest Mystery
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Thanks, Frybabe. I do not know who is authoring this Endeavor series. I do not believe books have been written, but assume only scripts for this series. I don't really know a thing; I just watch and enjoy.
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Oh bless you Frybabe - not having the author's name no wonder with that odd collection of titles I could not find anything.
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Today I spent the afternoon watching the DVD "The Shell Seekers" Must be about the 4th time. I love that movie.
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It looks like Masterpiece Mystery will take a break from regular scheduling for a couple of weeks. This Sunday my PBS station will be showing "Inside Foyle's War," I guess in preparation for season VII of the series which starts in mid September.
The description says: "A look at how this enormously popular, award-winning Masterpiece/Mystery series has captured loyal fans for over 10 years. The series star DCS Christopher Foyle (Michael Kitchen) is the articulate sleuth in the sharp fedora who solves the intricate crimes penned by Anthony Horowitz. The special feature interviews with the stars of the series and the people behind-the-camera responsible for them, from the writers to the directors and other production team members. Hosted by Len Cariou."
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Well tonight I don't have to pick what going to watch on PBS at 8pm. Can now watch "Unforgettable" PBS is showing Peirot X1. For some reason I just don't like that show. He drives me crazy just the way he is. He plays the part well but not for me.
I have watche 4 hours so far of a very good BBC Police show. Almost as good as "Morse" its called "Midsummer Murders" I had never heard of it before. Got 4 Disc on this set.
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Went into my Library and they have the full 20 Sets of this show. Now ordered set. 1,2.3 as the one I watched was No. 9. I am set for a long time
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Oh! Oh! Oh!
There is a brand new, beyond excellent show on BBC AMERICA called Broadchurch. Starring DAVID TENNANT.
As far as I am concerned, David Tennant did the best Hamlet I have ever seen. Yes, he beat Kenneth Branaugh, who I think beat Laurence Olivier. And he has the MOST adorable Scottish accent and is handsome to boot. Plus the show is really great. Try the first show on YouTube or by googling it or on ON DEMAND. Simply too marvelous.
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David Tennant. I feel the same way about him. Broadchurch is bound to be on DVD soon. I don't get to much on TV
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Just watch about 15 min of Broadchurch. Could be a good one. Only wish they would stop tying to have the Detectives looking like Americans. Hate that unshaved look. Never seen any kind of police over there in UK looking that way.
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Broadchurch sounds interesting. It starts in my area on August 7.
There is a lot of information, including the premiere episode, at http://www.bbcamerica.com/broadchurch/
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I watched the first episode, and the acting and scenery were superb. Dislike the language at times, but it is realistic. I have to use the closed captioning, or I would never understand what they are saying. They have 4 little runner-up blurbs on ON DEMAND, too; and I watched all of those. It blows my mind that they none of them know "who did it." There will be 8 episodes of this show until it is finished, one each Wednesday night.
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I watched BROADCHURCH last week. BBC had the pilot on demand before it was on. I really liked it a lot. Though truthfully I find it hard not to like any British police show. :)To me they're so much better then the gun totting American cop shows.
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It is filmed on the coast of the English Channel in Dorset. David and I drove through that whole area on our way back from a stay in Cornwall back in the summer of 1971. I remember Lyme Regis particularly.
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Jeanne, I suspect the beard on David Tennant is because he looks too young for the part without it. This is one of those sexy men who is going to look young forever. I hate them, at the same time I adore them.
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Would be fine if they had them with a beard,but that just did not shave for a couple days looks scruffy to me. Unwashed.
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Remember the English actor, Tristan Farnon in James Herriot's All Creatures Great and Small - well David Tennant's wife is the daughter of Peter Davison
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Oh my gosh! That boy in All Creatures CANNOT be old enough now to have fathered a girl old enough to be married to David Tennant!
There is a very gushing, indeed rave revue of BROADCHURCH in The Washington Post this morning. The critic seems to have never loved a show as much.
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I didn't realize that Peter Davidson was that old either. Must be years since all creatures G and
Small . Seems short time ago. Where the years go.
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Sounds like there is going to be a good mystery on Masterpiece on PBS Sunday night "The Lady Vanishes"--looking forward to it. Glad "raising money" is over for a few months. :)
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FlaJean. It will not be over here. Soon as the univ. starts up again next one . They do them every 6 weeks and cut in every 3weeks. Not the big one that is all over the US. Ours is connected to the Univ. even putting commercial in now. They are doing way to many repeat shows. Some of the same cooking.gardening.crafts.just done over and over.
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Here is a little more info about THE LADY VANISHES which will be broadcast tomorrow.
"The Lady Vanishes packs in the suspense and style when Iris Carr, a beautiful young socialite traveling alone, befriends a kindly English middle-aged woman but wakes from a nap to find her missing – and all the strangers surrounding her denying that the woman was ever there at all! This closed-door mystery classic investigates the question of madness and isolation set among increasingly sinister passengers and a train barreling through Europe toward a dangerous and dizzying final destination: the truth.
With a nod to Alfred Hitchcock's 1938 adaptation and a return to the book that started it all (Ethel White's The Wheel Spins), The Lady Vanishes stars Tuppence Middleton (Inspector Lewis, "Down Among the Fearful"), Tom Hughes (Page Eight), Keeley Hawes (Upstairs Downstairs), Gemma Jones (The Duchess of Duke Street), and Alex Jennings (Cranford)."
There is a very short preview at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/previews/lady-vanishes-preview/
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Whoever suggested Heat of the Sun, thanks. I watched the first episode last night and really like it. The ending ending was a surprise. I do not recall my PBS ever showing this one, but since I worked evenings, I could have just missed it. There was a long period where I wasn't watching much if any PBS.
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Darn. I got comfy, ready to watch 2and half of PBS Sunday night shows. Already they are running Will Pledge week. Been talking now for 20 minutes wanting funds . Only 5 weeks since pledging was on. Will ruin tonight's shows.
" Foyles War " must be coming back in Sept. season 7
They are still talking...
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Well, bottom line is they cannot operate without contributions from the Public, their being Public and not commercial operations. They are forced to really plead for them.
I watched The Lady Vanishes last night, and found they changed the script considerably. Still, it was so much fun to see so very many well known actors playing the parts. What with that and the train itself, it reminded me so much of Murder On The Orient Express for overall tone.
Upstairs Downstairs’ Keeley Hawes, MI-5’s Gemma Jones, Silk’s Tom Hughes and Doc Martin’s Stephanie Cole and Selina Cadell are all part of the all-star cast.
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PBS has pledge week here so they are showing "the Lady Vanishes" next week at 7 and then are starting "Silk" right after.
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I did some serious TV program watching last night: two Heat of the Sun episodes, one The Last Detective episode, and The Lady Vanishes.
Of the three I liked Heat of the Sun far better than the rest. The Last Detective episode was better than the first; it is gradually growing on me. As for The Lady Vanishes, the main character just wasn't convincing to me. The best of the lot were the Dr. and the professor. Perhaps it was the direction. The whole thing seemed superficial; the characters, for the most part, lacked depth. It did not pull me into the story. I haven't seen the Hitchcock movie or read the book, so I really have nothing to compare it to.
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I was disappointed in The Vanishing Lady. I don't think it was up to the usual British standard of excellence. The background noise was so loud at times I could hardly hear the dialogue. My husband finally gave up on it and played computer games. Maybe I should have turned off the sound and turned on CC.
Frybabe, I really enjoyed every Heat of the Sun episode, including a good ending.
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Masterpiece Mystery 2013 presents the best British mysteries. See the complete 2013 MASTERPIECE MYSTERY schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html).
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Foyle's War, Season VII
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
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The Vanishing Lady was rather disjointed wasn't it - spots of good acting but could not figure out from last night what the various characters had to do with the story - thank goodness I saw a version years ago - not sure where - maybe in the movie theater or maybe on TV. Seems to me the one I saw was in black and white or maybe since there was so much sinister activity most scenes were filmed in the semi-dark and it seemed like it was filmed black and white. It is difficult to take seriously attitudes towards women in the 1930s when they are dressed not too much differently than today. The only ones who I thought had the 1930s mannerisms down to make the time believable were Keeley Hawes - Julian Rhind-Tutt - and whoever played Frau Kummer
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Heat of the sun. Not seen that listed on our PBS station?
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I sort of enjoyed THE LADY VANISHES but I agree with you, Frybabe, that the whole thing seemed "superficial." It might have been because of the frantic fast-talking of Iris, while everyone else was sort of slow-paced.
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JeanneP, Heat of the Sun is an older program I found on my Amazon Prime. If it ran here, I missed it but it is good. It is set in Nairobi in the 1930's. Trevor Eve plays a former Scotland Yard detective who is send to Nairobi as head the new crime unit. Since he is new to Africa, he has to learn the customs of the local tribes as well as the white landowners, counters prejudice and bigotry when he can, and solve crimes. Already in the three episodes I've watched there were murders, arson, robbery, fraud (con artist), slave trading, rape, native witchcraft, and a war deserter. The town is a mix of natives, whites, and Indians. The airplane pilot is a female. The doctor, like the doctor in The Lady Vanishes, is not well liked or trusted by some because he is German.
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I was very disappointed in "The Lady Vanishes". I enjoyed seeing some old familiar faces; but the program left much to be desired (imo).
Sally
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"Silk" starts on our PBS tonight. I read a review that was critical. I hope it is better than "the Vanishing Lady" which was disappointing.
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I've read several reviews that indicate that the main characters in Silk will be complex and gradually unfold during the series. I too hope that it will be an interesting series.
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I just finished watching "The Lady Vanishes." It was a good way to spend a very hot day. I'm not sure I will be watching Silk, at least not on TV. It looks interesting, but there are things I need to do...
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I watched SILK, and one thing drove me nuts: the actors spent most of their time walking at an extremely rapid pace all over the place AND they spoke like human machine guns. I did not like it one little bit that that male law pupil was a thief and into intrigue, or that the female law pupil fell so easily for the seduction. I did think the acting superb in many cases. Well, it is all very British Modern, and I will watch every episode and see whether or not we are rewarded by having Martha win the Silk.
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After reading the review of Silk, I didn't think it would be worth the time to watch it. The review was accurate in its criticisms, but I did enjoy it despite its failures. I am looking forward to the next episode.
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I too am looking forward to the next episode. This one was packed full of events and actions that are giving us insights into the complex characters.
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I recognize Clive who is Rupert Penry-Jones from MI5 - and the young man Nick Slade we just saw in the Lady who Vanished or whatever it was entitled. I've seen Billy Lamb but I do not remember in what - and the guy who was accused of rape - I have seen him but do not know his name or what other show he was in.
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I enjoyed Silk; but one thing drove me crazy---the telephones always ringing. It seemed that once that I noticed the ringing every ring thereafter jarred my nerves. Anyone else notice that???
Sally
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Yes, and a couple of times I could not tell if it was my phone or the TV
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Silk did not impress me. Don't think I will follow it. Rather watch "Poppy montgomery" on CBS same time.
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Nuts, JeaneP. I forgot Unforgettable was on again. Now I am, once again, going to have to watch it on the computer. I am not watching Silk.
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I was disappointed in The Lady vanishes, too. They had the makings of a good one, but somehow didn't pull it off.
Did anyone else watch "Silk", the first of a new series on my PBS station? Prime Suspect with lawyers instead of cops. Showed the woman lawyer running around like mad, overworked and stressed, competing with her sexist boss for promotion, and dealing with the conflict of having to defend an accused rapist. I'll give it a "wait and see." The first episode had an interesting plot, but was too frenetic for me.
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What is "Heat of the Sun" about? Is it the same as our "Death in Paradise"?
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Never heard of Death in Paradise, JoanK. Heat of the Sun is set in Nairobi in the 1930's. Trevor Eve plays Superintendent Albert Tyburn, who was formerly of Scotland Yard. Because he shot a bad guy (child molester/killer), he was given the choice of being sent to Kenya or lose his job entirely. The story line focuses on the expatriate community. Apparently the three episode show (two of them two parters) was originally shown in the US in 1998. I enjoyed it. Too bad there were so few made.
ps. Michael Byrne played an excellent police commissioner more interested in social standing and appearances than in actually catching the right person. I am sure you will recognize him from Coronation Street, as well as many, many other TV series.
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Watched the second episode of Silk and think it's getting more interesting. Wonder how her decision about the pregnancy will work out.
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I wonder how things are going to move forward - seems like he is setting her up and for awhile he appeared like a good guy but when your own skin is on the chopping block and as competitive as he is I cannot help wondering if he is duping her.
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I watched it. Don't see how in the world she is going to get through a pregnancy walking up and down all those stairs and through all those marble corridors in those stiletto heels at such a high speed. Or even at a low one.
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I finally got to watch the first episode and enjoyed it. I'll watch Sundays today. I didn't notice the heels but I hate her red lipstick.
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Like reading what we see on film often is symbolic - here is the skinny on Red Libstick
It's way more affordable than a pair of red-bottom Christian Louboutin heels.
Since the 1940s, red lipstick was one of the key symbols of feminine glamour, according to Lipstick Queen creator Poppy King. "Red lipstick and finger-curled hair was a woman's crowing glory in the '40s and served as a symbol of power and ability. During the war, there was even a term ('Rosie the Riveter') for the power woman had with their hair and red lipstick in place to do any job or task that was needed, regardless of difficulty," said King.
When we think of red lipstick, famous faces such as Marilyn Monroe, Dita Von Teese and Gwen Stefani come to mind. And we can't help but try to recreate their glossy, matte and satin red lip looks. But King believes that the ideal of red lipstick has changed over the years, transforming from a must-have standard for women into a niche product that many women are reluctant to wear.
She explained, "It is a very misunderstood product in that women assume you need confidence to wear red lipstick when actually red lipstick gives you confidence, but you need to get past the mental block."
"Many women also feel that when you red lipstick you need to wear a full face of makeup like in the '80s when you wore red lipstick with technicolor eyeshadow, big hair and shoulder pads. Ever since the '90s, we have been emancipated from this overdone look and the fear is to go back. Yet, red lipstick worn in the 21st century version of glamour is worn with minimal makeup so that the look is relaxed glamour that makes it chic rather than retro," said King.
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Can't help it. I never liked it even when I was young.
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I don't like red lipstick and prefer pastels (I wonder what that says about me :D), but I have a daughter-in-law who has an olive complexion that looks gorgeous in red lipstick. I wonder if the writer is trying to tell us something with that bright red lipstick. If he/she is than I'm not getting it. Have you noticed that Martha replenishes her lipstick a lot? You don't usually notice a lead character so often putting on her lipstick.
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Yes, like replenishing her confidence - it makes sense to me...!
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I'm looking forward to the next episode of SILK tomorrow.
Thank you to all of you who have gotten me hooked on Doc Martin. I've just requested season 5 from my library. There is a great article about the series at http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/martin-clunes-raking-fortune-overseas-2258934
Apparently, Doc Martin is making millions for Martin Clunes and his wife (the producer) who own the production company. It's been re-made in many countries. The article shows the actors who play the Doc and the school teacher in various countries. What a difference due to local customs/style! Check out Greece and Spain!!!
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What an interesting article, Marcie, thank you so much for putting it here! Mercy on some of the foreign versions hahahaa Funny! (Aren't the French elegant tho?)
I'm glad they are contemplating a 7th season! You really get hooked on it.
I just finished watching the two Doc Martin movies, neither of which I liked. They really took the concept to a great level, I think, in the TV series. But the movies are not as good. The first movie was passable but I thought the second was very bad, like they had not found their footing or something. It actually reminded me of the first episodes of the Andy Griffith Show when Griffith played the comic character, with that broad accent. He was still playing the character he had made famous in the movies, the funny one. When the TV series stopped that and let Barney Fife be the funny one, and Andy the reasonable one, it really clicked in to the great show it became, and that's kind of the way the second movie is of Doc Martin, he's playing it for laughs. It does not work.
I think the TV shows are much better. Seeing the teasers for the 6th season, I can't wait.
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euwww tonight starts Last Tango In Halifax I've watched the ads and it really looks good - great actors - I just know it will not disappoint.
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Ginny, that's too bad that he was playing it as funny in the movies. What's great about his character in the series is that he's completely serious. It works because he isn't being "funny."
I'd still like to see the movies. I wish that my library had the movie DVDs.
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Barbara, Last Tango sounds interesting. I'll look for it.
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I liked the comments about red lipstick. For the young...super, but what amazes me to see is elderly American ladies with bright red lipstick. Its just a way of life . But as a Scot, hard to take. Of-course, haven't lived in Scotland for so many years, but it just wasn't the thing back then.......elderly ladies wore a dash of powder.....
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The Dr. Martin show. It is good but surprised that it is getting world wide. I think the couple in the Holland one are the most fitting. None will be as good as the Brit one.
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I really liked the first episode of "Last Tango in Halifax." I kept wondering where I'd seen the woman before. Then I remembered -- I think she played the talkative stenographer that was in a few episodes of "As Time Goes By." Or am I wrong again? Maybe just same lilting way of talking.
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Mrs Thackeray, the cook, in the BBC's revival series of Upstairs, Downstairs
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Oh, I thought she was the mother of the guy in Downton who just died in a road smash....don't ask me their names....!
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Well, no one mentioned the last episode of Silk so apparently it wasn't watched or enjoyed. However, I really enjoyed it and thought 3 episodes was just right. Thought it ended well. I am looking forward to Foyle's War. I hope it is as good as the original series.
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Masterpiece Mystery 2013 presents the best British mysteries. See the complete 2013 MASTERPIECE MYSTERY schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html).
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Foyle's War, Season VII (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
Yes, I enjoyed and wished they had not rushed the ending so we could have one more episode - would have liked to see what happened to the young lawyers and if Clive continued to mess around or now that we know he has a soft and responsible side if that side of him comes into play. And then what are all the discrepancies in the accounts - they cannot all be payoffs or are they and if so to whom.
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FlaJean, I watched the last episode of SILK and enjoyed it too. It does seem to have tied everything up. Did I miss which of the two "pupils" they are going to keep?
I too am looking forward to Foyle's War next Sunday.
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I haven't watched the last episode of Silk. Will watch sometime this week.
Sally
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I adored the Last Tango and I adored, as always, Derek Jacoby. I also enjoyed SILK very much, but you know, it is not the end. It is just the end of the first season. I read somewhere that there is to be or has been another.
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I've been missing Last Tango as I always watch Q&A on c-span at 8 pm, but I did get the 1st episode on the PBS site. It's really good. I've never used the On Demand so will have to check and see if I can get the other episodes. I hope they do have a 2nd Silk series.
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I watched it, and I would rate the series "Almost good."
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I watched BROADCHURCH last night, and am just as thrilled with the performances as ever. Wonderful series.
The Fall issue of TV Guide came, and, while there is little to get excited about watching, most of it being all about sex or dreadful violence or rude, boorish behavior, and full of vampires and werewolves and futuristic robots, PBS has some real jewels on its schedule. Some wonderful Shakespeare plays in a new series called THE HOLLOW CROWN. They are also offering Age 56 of the every 7 years POV has been filming of the lives of a group of British school children. I started out with this group, and it has been extremely interesting, albeit sometimes disappointing in the individuals themselves. And to think it started 49 years or more ago!
The CW channel, and I had no idea this was available to me until I checked it out, and it is, is showing a new series about Mary, Queen of Scots called REIGN. I am flabbergasted to read they play around with the history and insert people and events who never existed or never happened and put it all into the culture of today. Shocking! It would appear that our present civilization is inhabited by a population that can only relate to today's mindsets! How sad!
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Thank you MaryPage, I am very glad to hear 56 Up is coming to PBS this year and I see it's October 14, how exciting. Here's the page on it:
http://www.pbs.org/pov/56up/
I haven't seen it yet. I'm wondering what conclusion they will come to, now. That was quite an experiment. I wonder what the British think of it? I'm wondering what conclusions can be drawn on the issue of school or scholastic opportunity in the UK governing your future life choices? If you don't go to a posh school do you have to drive a taxi for life? And the elephant in the living room: what does it say about a class system in the UK? Has it caused, I wonder, any shift in the educational system there at all? Or is nobody talking about it or any of the issues it raises at all? Perhaps it's considered nonsense?
It was a fascinating thing. I'd like to see the Louds, again, too. I'd like to know how they turned out, but I'm afraid that their lives were essentially ruined by the televising; the first reality show, wasn't it?
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Very few in the UK go to the POSH schools and since the 1940 plenty of other ways to get a education. Up to a person as to what the want to do. Lots of trade schools. Covering most occupations. No cost as long as you study well. Even pay you to go.
To be a taxi driver in u.k cost a person as much as a education in the cities. Have to own the taxi,pay for expensive license and take long training. Most of Europe have a better Ed. System than u.s. now.
Class system gone. Will always be ,just like in the US. The poor, the lazy.people happy living low. Opportunities are everywhere. If rich its just easier. I am sure on POVThe will not show true picture.
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Most of Europe have a better Ed. System than u.s. now.
I know people like to say that, and they like to think it, and that's fine, de gustibus. But I don't agree. It may be that some countries in some disciplines have more advanced programs, but it's equally true that some are not up to the US mark, in some areas of study, either. For instance, to cite a personal instance, I just came from an international conference where I saw living proof that that is NOT the case, at least in the country and area of study represented. And they were proud of what was presented, and it was an oral transcript of an actual session, by their own statement, a very fine school (which would approximate the age of our high school children), very difficult to get into. It was quite surprising, to tell you the truth, and I wasn't the only one who thought so.
I really can't say more, and won't, but I think that's another old myth which needs to be updated, because that's not true of all or even most countries and all subjects and disciplines, in Europe. Some may well be ahead in this or that area, usually math and science are cited, some may not. Some may say they are ahead or "better," and yet perhaps they are not. Sometimes I wonder if a country's educational system reflects what it needs to teach rather perhaps than what would be ideal.
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I don't think that any schooling anyplace are turning out students knowing any subjects as good as even myself in late 40s. My daughters in the 60s.the grandchildren did well and their friends but mostly because we made rules they had to follow.
3 of mine are teachers. One a dean of a university. They say that math. Reading etc.are not up to most of the Asian children that seem to be about 30 pct of schools in my city. Higher at university of Ill. Where I live.
It all comes down to students and parents. It's there if they want it and they are left alone if they don't. You will find lots more in the future with a college degree working in the stores.
They need to drop many of the things they are letting them graduate from school with now and stick to the main things. Stop letting them go playing sports on grants.
U of Ill. Very guilty of this. Come out with degrees worth nothing. Couldn't drive a taxi because they can't make change.
Cheating has now become the number one problem at our university.
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Just got email from here. This is the way it will go. Will be back to only these called rich children going to univ. http://bitterbrushroofed.com/aAB_qYrtZDxO0zErwr5griaHv3y1K-Hd1Q
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Murder Mystery FUN and a brand new, to me, author. Apparently Australian.
Tonight on Maryland Public Television (MPT) their Friday Night Mystery Hour brought us a brand new detective: Phryne Fisher. I have never previous to tonight heard of this series or this name. It seems to be pronounced FRY KNEE. Imagine!
The books are by Kerry Greenwood and are set in the Roaring Twenties. The clothes are TO DIE FOR! Seriously, if you had a dislike for mysteries, you would love this just to watch the outfits she wears. I should have been born in the twenties. Oh, Oops, I was! And my mother wore these clothes, so probably that is why they turn me on so.
http://www.phrynefisher.com/
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Good PBS watching tonight from 7pm to 9:30. "Last Tango in Halifax" and then "Foyles War". New series. I really like that show.
I usually like PBS all Sunday because of the Cooking Shows but they keep showing the same shows over and over on most everything on "Create". Some are so old the Chefs are dead.
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MaryPage, I also love clothing from the 1920's. Thanks for mentioning this new-to-me series. I apparently missed episodes featuring Phryne Fisher that were shown on my PBS station in July.
I found the official Australian TV website at http://www.abc.net.au/tv/phrynefisher/pages/s3446963.htm with synopsis of the episodes.
My library has a DVD with all 13 episodes of season 1. But there are 78 people ahead of me on the wait list!!
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I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of the two found-again loves in "Last Tango in Halifax." I'm also glad that Foyle's War will be back tonight.
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I am going to catch darling Derek Jacoby tonight, but have opted to skip Foyle's new series episode one and catch it in repeats, which there will be simply heaps of, and I am blessed in that I have 3 PBS channels in my one area. I am going to watch CNN at ten instead, and see Prince William tell all about the new little Prince George.
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:D ;D ::) I think Halifax is a euphemism for Hellifax - what a riot - can't take it too seriously but my oh my - reminds me of Cold Comfort Farm not the story line but the underlying humor underlying these serious issues. - what a treat this series is going to be.
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Thank you. I had forgotten about "Last Tango", and might have waited til eight to turn on PBS.
At the beach Friday we ran into a charming young couple from London, vacationing in the States. they seemed to want to chat with we "natives", and we had a long talk. I asked: "tell me the truth. I watch a lot of English TV and movies, and they always show the weather as glorious. What is the weather in London really like?" She said "It's rubbish. you have to wait all week for a few good hours of weather."
She was excited that I watched British TV, and wanted to know what I watched. I think she was disappointed with my "old lady" choices, although too polite to say so. She and my son had many US shows in common, especially CSI.
She was very excited to hear that there was a Macy's nearby. She said they have nothing like it in London. I was surprised, never having thought of Macy's as anything special.
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Oh but they have Selfridges - Harrods - Fortnum and Masons, just the aroma entering the front door with chocolate, coffee and tea strongly wafting in the air - and then there is also, Liberty. I think compared to years ago Macy may now be more like their Mark and Spencer's, although Macy's has a greater variety and price range that reminds me of a combo of M&S + Selfridges.
I guess we all think the well known shops in another country are more exotic than those we can pop into when we take on a day of shopping.
With just about anything online these days I prefer some of the small specialty shops that will have something that does not sell in the millions, often handmade. Even if I don't spend that kind of money it is always nice to see craftsmanship and local products.
Do you realize we only have 9 weeks till Thanksgiving which is late this year making it only 10 weeks till Hanukkah and a dozen weeks till Christmas - I was scheduling some long term plans today and was shocked to realize how little time if you plan, as I do to hand-make some gifts.
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I watched "Last Tango in Halifax" and "Foyle's War" last evening. I agree, Barbara. Last Tango seems to be treating most of the "relationship" issues in a light hearted way.
I really enjoyed Foyle's War and the way that Foyle treated everyone.
Yikes, Barbara! What a wake up call for the little time left before the holidays!!!
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Our station started running "the last tango in Halifax " last night' loved it. I am from the Halifax area and just hearing them made me homesick. Sort of like the series" Coronation street"
Now. Foyles war. I am not going to watch it. Liked the old ones but this one bored me. Watched the award show ending. New York won again. A Egyption girl But born in USA. and runner up Chinese.
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Last Tango seems to be a re tooling of As Time Goes By....boy meets girl, boy loses girl thru a missing letter, boy finds girl again, families provide the necessary Strum und Drang.....I liked it though, as I liked As Time Goes By, too. I guess its a bit more serious.
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Really enjoyed Foyle's War. Love to watch Foyle's down-to-earth way of dealing with situations.
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Dana, You're right. I hadn't thought about the comparison with "As Time Goes By." Last Tango is not as funny, I think.
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As time goes by....it has been running on our PBS weekly for at least 15 years? It is good but time it left. Many good ones in UK could replace some of these old ones
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I found Foyle's War confusing. Apparently, they cut off the first hour here. We didn't get the part where Sam meets her husband.
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They could have shown a little of what happened from them ending the war. They jumped to far ahead. I don't remember what and why he went to USA. Maybe I missed something when the last series ended. I didn't care for the start of this one. Will try again Sunday.
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Joan, Sam met her husband "last season" but it would have helped to have a review. They did seem to go quite a bit into the future with this season.
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I got the impression it was not meant to be a continuous story - but what was a disappointment Sam's husband in the last series was a far better looking than this husband.
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Seems Sam looked better looking also. Not that pretty in this new one. A real tired look.
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Yes, Sam seems to have lost her bounce. There are hints that there's something going on with her that we don't know yet.
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She is older and in real life I understand she now has a couple of children that she did not have during the earlier series - she is so thin I wondered if she looks tired that sometimes when folks just come off losing a bunch of weight it takes a bit for them to look rosey again in their thinness.
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That is why I never worry to much when putting a few pounds on. I notice the difference with my Elder daughter when she loosing about 10 pounds that she is always trying to do. (Doesn't need to as she is 5ft 9'' not like me 5ft 1". She just looks better with the weight on. (Never tell her though).
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JeanneP, you are a wise mother. ;)
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Sunday's Foyle's War was really exciting! Did anyone else watch? I was disappointed with Last Tango. It's going in some directions i don't like.
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Last Tango... is no As Time Goes By is it? I guess the fantasy of elder marriage is probably softer and romantic where as the reality is probably closer to Last Tango....
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oh yes, FlaJean, Foyle's War was quite exciting. I really like the way that Foyle handles the cases and people.
Last Tango does have a bit of soap opera to it. When I looked up the writer of the series, Sally Wainwright, I saw that in addition to many original TV productions, she has written for some British soap operas :-)
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I didn't like all that roughness that went on in "last tango" on Sunday. It had better change or I won't follow it.
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I have not been watching Foyle's War at all this go round. Just tired of it, and the critics are not raving.
But am loving Last Tango in Halifax. I will watch Derek Jacoby anywhere, anytime. It was such a hoot hearing the two of them discuss their political beliefs!
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The Paradise, Season 1 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
October 6 - November 17
Based on Émile Zola’s beloved classic novel, Au Bonheur des Dames, The Paradise revolves around the lives of the people who live and work in Britain's glamorous first department store, The Paradise. Each is bound in his or her own way by the power of the world they live in, and the pasts that follow them there. A love story, mystery, and social comedy all in one, the lavish costume drama stars Joanna Vanderham (What Maisie Knew) as Denise and Emun Elliot (Game of Thrones) as Moray, alongside Sarah Lancashire (Upstairs Downstairs), Elaine Cassidy (A Room with a View) and Patrick Malahide (Game of Thrones).
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Foyle's War, Season VII (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
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MaryPage, Yes, the political "discussion" was fun. It's interesting that they don't seem to have a lot in common.
I somehow had missed most of the Foyle's War episodes in the past. I'm finding the current series very good.
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After this Sunday's last episode of Foyle's War, it looks like THE PARADISE is next, with 7 episodes (2 hours for the first one and then 1 hour for the others).
The Paradise
Sundays, October 6 – November 17, 2013
A bright-eyed country girl, Denise Lovett, finds more than just shop-girl work when she brings her clever ideas and ambition to Britain's glamorous first department store, The Paradise. Denise is plunged into power struggles, intrigues and romance as she catches the attention of the store's dashing and enigmatic owner, John Moray. Entangled with his powerful financial backer's entitled daughter, Moray harbors a dark secret as well as debts that threaten to ruin his hard-won empire. The Paradise, embodying the progress and the pain of a new age of commerce, is the way of the future. But will that future belong to those who usher it in…and can they have a future together?
Based on Émile Zola’s beloved classic novel, Au Bonheur des Dames, The Paradise revolves around the lives of the people who live and work in the store, each bound in their own way by the power of the world they live in, and the pasts that follow them there. A love story, mystery, and social comedy all in one, the lavish costume drama stars Joanna Vanderham (What Maisie Knew) as Denise and Emun Elliot (Game of Thrones) as Moray, alongside Sarah Lancashire (Upstairs Downstairs), Elaine Cassidy (A Room with a View) and Patrick Malahide (Game of Thrones).
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Wasn't Selfridge's the first department store??
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I do not believe it was the first department store but one that this American brought to transform what a department store could be in Britain - Woolworth was featured in one of the episodes and many an early Woolworth store had the basement and the first floor with the 5 and 10 cent type merchandise in the basement however, no Woolworth merchandise had the class of Selfridges. For firsts; Harrods is older than Selfridges, as is Le Bon Marché in Paris while in NY there was Macy's and Stewart's. I lived in Poughkeepsie for 2 years in the early 50s and they still had a Stewart's.
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Is anyone besides me watching THE HOLLOW CROWN? It is just superb! The acting is taking my breath away. Seriously.
Last Friday night they did Richard II and last night they did Henry IV Part I. Next Friday night they will do Henry IV Part II and then conclude with Henry V the following Friday night.
As I say, it is just so good that there is really nothing else to say. My only disappointment is in not having someone to watch with me with whom I can ooooh and ahhhh over the plays as they go along.
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Oh yes, The Hollow Crown is coming on here each Friday night right after the Miss Fisher Mysteries.
Phryne was divine last night. Her clothes were heaven and the jazz singer was really wonderful. And oh, that old aeroplane!
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Yes it is superb - this play is familiar where as last week was a first fir me - found them online I think on the PBS web site - we do not get Miss Fisher Mysteries so for us it comes on at 9: after Bill Moyers whose guest last night was especially good, Greenpeace International Executive Director Kumi Naidoo.
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This "paradise " sounds a little to much like the one that just ended a few months ago. About a department store background in it. I will give it a watch, see if I like it. Didn't like the last one. I worked in " Marshall Snellgroves." In Manchester . Pretty fancy also.
Now our woolworths had a basement where things even cheaper than above. I think the StateSt. Chicago did also. I still miss those stores. Ours in U.k had a Pram/Baby watching service. Lined the baby carriages up andhad security service watching.It was gated.
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Jeanne, yes Paradise reminds me too of Selfridge's.
I have a picture now of baby carriages lines up with security guards watching the crying babies!!
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I just watched the last Foyles War "Sunflower" from last night and thought it was really a good one. Much better then the other two.
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subject matter was difficult but the moral value of keeping lies and playing God for what we see is our benefit is a difficult examination - when do we condemn - is death for death the same as an eye for an eye - does forgiveness include acceptance of someone's knowledge and skills - it seems easier to be self-righteous over big issues and yet, we do not condemn our soldiers who killed by the score those who we thought were protecting the enemy. And is the greater good more valuable than moral integrity - lots of food for thought in Sunflower.
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Yes, I caught "The Hollow Crown" on Friday Henry IV Part I. I'd missed the earlier one, but will surely try to follow from now on.
I was surprised at how well I was able to follow it: between Shakespeare's language and my trouble understanding some British accents, I was expecting to have more trouble. I got out my Shakespeare, and hope to read Part II before I see it next week.
Sunday was the last episode of "The Bletchley Circle." This is the second time I've seen it, and the ending still made no sense to me. Did she know he was there, or expect to find the girl's father? If the former, why did she go alone? if the latter, why take a gun? How did he plant the address and phone number? Did anyone else understand it?
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The discussion of "Persuasion" starts tomorrow. do join us!
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I watched Foyles War last night also as it was the last one. Didn't stick with the first two. Was pretty good. So true as to countries taking in Germans who by rights should have hung for the crimes they did but were kept for the things they knew. Not forgiven but tolerated. Many Doctors. Designers, Engineers all high in the Nazi organizations. Many of the things that the one Dr. that was over the Camps. Things that he was working on are now being done and have been for the past 50 years. Now Medical Science.
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I watched Foyle's War also. At the end of the episode when he gets in the car and is asked "Where to?" he says, "Good question." Maybe they are leaving an opening for another series.
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We watched all of the "Foyle's War" series and thought this one, "Sunflower", was the best. We have always enjoyed this series. I think if you wanted to the older ones that they might be at your local library. I have brought home many of English series from my library. Can't bring up the names at the moment. Maybe later!
We started to watch "The Hollow Crown" but Ralph wasn't too interested so i recorded it for myself. It did entice me. So its by Shakespeare, JoanK?Never heard of it!
In spite of thinking that "Call the Midwife" was over the top, I watched when in the hospital last spring and really enjoyed it. Good actors and actresses.
JoanK, I have never read Jane Austin, so will be peeking in to see how it goes. I liked the quote from one of her letters to her sister when she visited Lyme Regis which is the setting for "Remarkable Creatures" which we are discussing in November.
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Oh my goodness! My favorite author EVER. Ever, ever, ever! Start with Pride & Prejudice and go on to Persuasion and then Emma and then Sense and Sensibility and then Mansfield Park. Leave Northanger Abbey to the last, because it is not as good as the others. Then get all the movies, starting with all the Pride & Prejudices. Greer Garson in black and white first.
Every one of them has been made into a movie at least twice. Some five times!
One of the best Pride & Prejudices is six hours long! Colin Firth.
Do not go further in life without hugging yourself with Joy while reading Jane Austen!
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Our granddaughter showed up for awhile this afternoon. She is 16 and a junior in HS and loves to read and write. She was telling me that she had bought some classics yesterday. Pride and Prejudice was on her list. I told her about the Persuasion discussion we have happening now and about "The Good Earth" discussion which is still alive and kickin' and she wants to look in to see our discussions. I will send her a link to those discussions so she can see what her grandmother does for fun and games. And some good friends!
All right, MaryPage, I will get Pride and Prejudice and read it for my own pleasure this week after I finish my f2f book which is totally boring and depressing and a total waste of my reading time. I think I will suggest that we read Pearl Buck or Jane Austen when my turn comes up for choosing a book or an author.
Weren't we watching "Foyles War" in black and white back in the olden days?Maybe is was more like sepia. I will look up when it was first offered.
Do I understand that "Phryne Fisher" is going to be on CBS?? Is that right? Marcie,does the DVD say where it was shown?
I just thought of several of the Masterpiece Mysteries series that we watched after they was taken off here in the states. "Midsomers Murders" and "Miss Marple"and "Poirot" and the old "Morse" series. We have been spoiled and lucky to see all of these shows on PBS.
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Here in the Washington, D.C. area, and Annapolis gets both D.C. and Baltimore PBS channels, Miss Fisher's Mysteries starring Phryne Fiisher is shown Friday nights at eight o'clock. These fun, fun stories have been on for several weeks now, and, I am happy to report, will go on for weeks and weeks to come.
Always on Public Television. Not CBS at all, as far as I know.
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Had a delicious evening of television viewing last night. At eight came an hour to thank our Australian friends for: Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries. Again, the clothes and acting were divine.
Then at nine, two and a half hours of The Hollow Crown. This week it was Henry IV Part Two, and Tom Hiddleston took my breath away in his portrayal of Prince Hal becoming Henry V. The last time I saw this play, it was Kenneth Branagh in the part, and he is a great favorite of mine and was beyond wonderful. But Hiddleston beats him, IMHO. Oh Boy, oh boy, oh boy: was that EVER a KING transformed at that coronation! Put shivers up and down my spine, it did!
Great actors keep coming!
And I can look forward to another Phryne Fisher, followed by Henry V, next Friday night. I'll be all settled in my easy chair, eyes wide and ready.
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I thought "tango in Halifax" was good again tonight. Don't know if will be interested in watching the new one coming on next.
In it, did any one notice the one blond women right at the start. Looks like the one playing Caroline in Tango in Halifax. Now going to be Gay.
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I enjoyed Last Tango In Halifax so very much this evening. Was hugging myself with joy, not only at the dancing, but in the way the two young lads took to their mother's new romance. The whole thing just gets funnier and funnier and more and more heart warming.
Anyone who skipped The Paradise thinking it would be a take off, and a poor one at that, on Mr. Selfridge, missed a rare treat tonight. This series is of no relation whatsoever to Mr. Selfridge, other than that they both feature department stores in a much earlier period. Mr. Selfridge is fiction based upon a real life man and a real and on going emporium.
The Paradise is pure fiction from real literature by Emile Zola, with the setting moved from France to England and somewhat adapted.
The acting is nothing short of divine, and I particularly delighted in Ruby Bentall playing a shop girl named Pauline. Ruby acted the part of Millie in Lark Rise to Candleford, and was the best thing in it.
And yes, Sarah Lancashire, who plays Caroline in Last Tango In Halifax, plays Miss Audrey, and beautifully I must say, in The Paradise. ALL the acting is superb and the show a great treat.
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Yes and Dudley was Fisher Bloom, a love interest for Laura in Lark Rise...
Oh dear Celia really is bent out of shape over her daughters new love life isn't she - ouch ouch - and we have several stories about Gillian's husband's death - Allen is really making it sound ominous, but then he was not there and you do not know how much is accurate when someone in shock is telling the story looking for a parent's comfort. I find woman especially seem to take blame for the cause of many traumatic events. However, she sure is making up for the last 10 years sleeping or about to sleep with all the men her age and younger.
John the husband is a mess isn't he. I bet the twerky son is also gay and therefore quick to accept his mom's lover.
It was fun seeing them dance and the dancing they were doing brought back memories.
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I adored the dancing, but got my biggest kick out of Gillian's great joy over it. Both girls, Caroline and Gillian, seem to deeply appreciate the love their parents have found in their old age.
You know, I had that identical thought about William. I expect if we are right, we will find out. Any case, we only have next week's episode to look forward to, and then this very good thing, as do all good things, will end.
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Oh, my! It bothered me TERRIBLY all through The Paradise, but I just could not remember and figure it out!
The actress, Olivia Hallinan, who plays Mrs. Brookmire, played Laura Timmins in Lark Rise To Candleford!
Why in this World did I figure Millie/Pauline so quickly, and could not get HER?
Well, color me dumber than chalk.
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I didn't get a chance to watch Last Tango last night but did see The Paradise. I found quite a few similarities between The Paradise episode and Selfridge but I am enjoying The Paradise. Many ladies are captivated by the charismatic owner of the store. It was fun to see the talented new shop girl say to her friend, "I don't want to marry him. I want to be him!"
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Deeply disappointed not to be hearing that more of us saw last Sunday's episode of Last Tango In Halifax and The Paradise. I yearned to hear other reactions to them.
Tonight on PBS is going to be terrific, and I am very excited. First another adventure of Phryne Fisher and another mystery for her to solve. It is the clothes I drool over. Wish I could freeze the picture and just look and look, and then click and go on, but it does not work that way! I do very much enjoy the stories and acting, too.
And then over two hours of the final episode in The Hollow Crown: Henry V. Tom Hiddleston is the most marvelous Henry V I have ever had the privilege of seeing, and I can barely wait (well, I have to, don't I!) to hear him deliver the St. Crispin's Day speech! Hugging myself with anticipated delight here!
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Haha can they cram any more of the current social issues into Halifax - it is a romp.
Missed part of Paradise and the rerun was at 3: in the morning since they are doing pledge week and wanted to get the reruns of Downton in - just got the first half hour and last half hour. Missed what ever happened with the best friend and the store clerk but I take it there was a sexual dalliance. I later realized that the friend was Our Laura from Lark Rise...
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I am watching Last Tango and Paradise. I am enjoying both, but am a little disappointed in Paradise. Too similar to Selfridges.
Sally
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Marcie, could we maybe think about changing the name of this site to WHAT I AM WATCHING ON PUBLIC TELEVISION
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WATCHING NOW ON PBS
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SHOWS ENJOYED ON PBS
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Thanks for the suggestions, MaryPage. I added "& Other PBS Programs" to the title.
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I watched "Paradise" and "Last Tango in Halifax" on Sunday night. They also offered "Call the Midwife" either earlier or the next evening. Tonight, "Doc Martin" was on at 8pm and I missed that as I am a baseball fanatic so am watching Boston vs. Detroit first game of the the American league championship. Saw the National league teams play earlier, Cardinals vs Dodgers- the Cards won. My sister, Mary, and I have agreed to cheer for Detroit just because that city has suffered so much over the last few years.
PBS-I think- had a very educational offering on the fall of Detroit a few weeks ago. Very interesting and sad, of course. The folks who have remained living there are old Detroit citizens and really like their hometown. At that time, the city council couldn't perform services that had been paid for with taxes. I seem to remember that a company or group of outsiders has suggested that they move the boundary lines to make the actual boundaries surround a much smaller city. No one who still lives there wants to move into homes much closer to the city center. But if they would, they would have trash and snow removal. What a nightmare!
My sister was saying that her small town in NC is also suffering as there are no jobs since the mills closed plus the furniture business is gone. The young people are going off to college and aren't planning on returning. The medical services are waning also and the elderly will suffer from lack of doctors soon. Did someone say our economy is improving? Where?
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Did you see... 'Wolf Hall' is coming to MASTERPIECE
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How interesting, Barb! There's a notice about the new series, to be broadcast in 2015, here: http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/wolf-hall-miniseries-with-mark-rylance-is-coming-to-pbss-masterpiece/?_r=0
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Last tango in Halifax just ended. Wasn't it good? She reminded me so much of my ex mother law. She was against everything . I learned early why. Did understand but she was hard to take. Never changed up to her passing at age 90.
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Loved it all!
Loved the final episode of Last Tango in Halifax. I thought Derek Jacoby dazzlingly perfect, as always, but ended also with a huge respect for each of the other actors, most particularly Susan Lancashire and Nicola Walker. Walker and Jacoby sure played well off of one another, and did a magnificent job of showing what real love and bonding are.
For those who did not watch, I am referring to his daughter, and not to his Lady Love. The Old Darlings besotted with one another were sweet, but Nicola Walker as his daughter Gillian was so real you felt she could jump right off the screen into your room.
It was fun to watch Susan Lancashire right away in the next hour of The Paradise playing Miss Audrey. She is sooooo good!
And I still do not find it much like Mr. Selfridge. No matter, I am hoping the owner of The Paradise, John Moray, comes to realize that Clara's little girl, Grace, is probably his and he will support her. At least, I think that is what the story is telling us.
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I read that Susan Lancashire dropped out of "the Paradise" because it was to much doing both shows and she chose to stay with Tango.
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Well, that tidbit made me decide to look her up, so I did. And I could not find any reference to that fact, but did find out two really fascinating things about Susan Lancashire:
She was the Narrator on Lark Rise to Candleford. Funny; I always thought the actress who plays Laura was that. Not so! "Twas Susan Lancashire!!!
AND she is the most highly paid actress in British television today. So says Wikipedia, any hoot.
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I really enjoyed the last episode of The Last Tango. Allan's laugh at the end was good to hear.
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Yes, and I really enjoyed Nicola Walker in MI5 and like you I too always thought it was Laura who was the narrator for Lark Rise...
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The Paradise, Season 1 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
October 6 - November 17
Based on Émile Zola’s beloved classic novel, Au Bonheur des Dames, The Paradise revolves around the lives of the people who live and work in Britain's glamorous first department store, The Paradise. Each is bound in his or her own way by the power of the world they live in, and the pasts that follow them there. A love story, mystery, and social comedy all in one, the lavish costume drama stars Joanna Vanderham (What Maisie Knew) as Denise and Emun Elliot (Game of Thrones) as Moray, alongside Sarah Lancashire (Upstairs Downstairs), Elaine Cassidy (A Room with a View) and Patrick Malahide (Game of Thrones).
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Foyle's War, Season VII (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
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MaryPage
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2436887/The-Paradise-Sarah-Lancashire-quits-middle-series-blaming-clash-BBC-show.html
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Boy, I sure am having a problem figuring THAT one out!
You see, my puzzle is that I thought Last Tango in Halifax was a one season deal; in short, that the story was over. Told in full. Done. THE END!
So was it so popular they are going to try to write and film a second season? How COULD they? I mean, the story really IS over. For us. We none of us want to see Derek and/or Anne die. Do we?
If they ARE going to do another season of Tango, then understanding rushes in. The role of Caroline in Last Tango In Halifax is a much bigger and juicier part than the one of Miss Audrey in The Paradise. Shoosh! I would choose Tango in a heartbeat.
But I remain kerflummoxed over their trying more Tango. I mean, don't YOU?
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Oh gosh! They did! Read down starting at paragraph three (3).
Who knew?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Tango_in_Halifax
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They've finished filming the second season already. I wasn't surprised because I had read that there was a second season.
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Now I thought that the Sunday showing was the last of the series. I did think it sort of ended leaving nothing settled other than him not dying and them making up.. I can see now lots of story lines to be done. Suppose they will start with the 2getting married but then that can't do much else for them. So will be the younger people.
I will just be happy to keep seeing my home area and hearing their accents. Those two things I miss.
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Well we do have Celia accepting her daughter's lifestyle - she and Alan do appear to be on the way to an alter - which one is still up in the air - the school chapel seems to be the last favorite with Kate playing the organ - but what about John - that is up in the air - and does Gillian really get together with Robbie without a lot of mish mash - and what about the guy all busted up living on her sofa - then there are the three boys - Raff, William and Lawrence. And finally how does Kate and Caroline keep their feelings for each other a secret at school without aggressive faculty wanting to advance using it and student parents coming unglued - I can see lots of mischief in this group of characters.
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Now did it end Sunday and we have to wait for another series to start?. if so, when is that suppose to be?.
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I thought Paradise is to run through Nov.17.
I've been waiting for the next series of Wallander to show up. Originally, I thought it was going to be aired beginning in Oct. Branagh was going to be doing The White Lioness (a favorite of mine) and at least one other for a final series. I cannot find any info of it ever actually being put into production. Not even IMDB is listing work on it. Maybe they gave up the idea, but I don't see any announcements that they cancelled the project either.
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Okay, I did find something on IMDB finally. It looks like they've pushed Wallander to 2014 with The White Lioness only one episode (it deserves two) and The Troubled Man which will be two episodes. I have not read The Troubled Man yet even though I've had the book for a while. Chock that up to my continuing marathon of SciFi reads.
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I saw a Wallander on my PBS station last night. It was one I had seen twice before, but I still enjoyed it.
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Had delicious fun with another Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries last night. Phryne and the Inspector are getting closer and closer. Loved their doing Gilbert & Sullivan, but cannot understand how they did the ghost, even though they explained it. For me, an explanation is no good if I still own no understanding. Sort of reminds me of sitting in Geometry class and listening to a theorem being explained. I never came out the wiser!
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MaryPage, you are lucky that your PBS station shows so many good programs.
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I am, Marcie! I am!
Last night I watched The Paradise, and loved it. Then I watched POV 56Up and it is still fascinating to watch the years go by with that group of 7 year olds from 49 years ago that Point of View began filming. How each has turned out is so very interesting.
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Yes the 56up was on here the other day - looks like we are having the Father Brown mysteries - fun I never did read the book so this is a treat.
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I am enjoying The Paradise too. I'm very curious to see where they are going to take the main characters this season and the next.
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From Amazon
Also known as Au Bonheur des Dames; The Ladies' Delight or The Ladies' Paradise; is the eleventh novel in the Rougon-Macquart series by Émile Zola. The novel is set in the world of the department store, an innovative development in mid-nineteenth century retail sales. Zola models his store after Le Bon Marché, which consolidated under one roof many of the goods hitherto sold in separate shops. In Au Bonheur des Dames, the store is a symbol of capitalism, the modern city and the bourgeois family. It is emblematic of changes in consumer culture, sexual attitudes and class relations taking place at the end of the century. The novel tells the story of Denise Baudu, a 20-year-old woman from Valognes who comes to Paris with her brothers and begins working at the department store Au Bonheur des Dames as a saleswoman. Zola describes the inner workings of the store from the employees' perspective, including the 13-hour workdays, the substandard food and the bare lodgings (for the female staff). Many of the conflicts in the novel spring from the struggles for advancement and the malicious infighting and gossip among the staff.
Au Bonheur des Dames is a sequel to "Pot-Bouille". Like its predecessor, Au Bonheur des Dames focuses on Octave Mouret (b. 1840), who at the end of the previous novel married Caroline Hédouin, the owner of a small silk shop. Now a widower, Octave has expanded the business into an international retail powerhouse occupying (at the beginning of the book) most of an entire city block.
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I've ordered this - the first in the series that includes: Germinal, (exposes the inhuman conditions of miners in northern France in the 1860s) and Nana, (Zola's scathing denunciation of hypocrisy and fin-de-siècle moral corruption) - seems The Paradise is the only story in the series where the crushing life of France on its citizens during the Second Empire is not as harsh. Zola had symbolized the call for freedom from oppression.
The Fortune of the Rougons is the first in Zola's famous Rougon-Macquart series of novels. In it we learn how the two branches of the family came about, and the origins of the hereditary weaknesses passed down the generations. Murder, treachery, and greed are the keynotes, and just as the Empire was established through violence, the "fortune" of the Rougons is paid for in blood.
Set in the fictitious Provençal town of Plassans, The Fortune of the Rougons tells the story of Silvère and Miette, two idealistic young supporters of the republican resistance to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte's coup d'état of December 1851. They join the woodcutters and peasants of the Var to seize control of Plassans, and are opposed by the Bonapartist loyalists led by Silvère's uncle, Pierre Rougon. Meanwhile, the foundations of the Rougon family and its illegitimate Macquart branch are being laid in the brutal beginnings of the Imperial regime.
Brian Nelson provides an engaging translation as well as a wide-ranging introduction that explains the background to the Rougon-Macquart series as well as the historical setting of the novel and its special qualities. This edition also features a chronology, bibliography, and extensive explanatory notes.
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I don't much like murder getting into the story of The Paradise.
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I have recorded the last two Paradise episodes and will watch them this week.
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Never did start watching Paradise. Now is there a book out that it is taken from?
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MaryPage - I missed the show this past week and could not stay up till the early hours of the morning when it repeats so I watched online that for me with my computer the voice is not as clear - however, I did not hear murder only that he was going to get rid of him - my thought was during this time it was easy to take someone dockside and have him hijacked to serve aboard a ship - so that was how I thought he got rid of him - I am thinking if it were murder the story would take a very different direction where as if it is close to the 2 books Moray's ability to magnetically get his way and the back biting by the store staff would no longer be the featured entanglements. I will try to make time to watch it again and listen to hear what they say.
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Oh, Barbara, I do so hope you are right. Not that I like the notion of shanghaiing, but that is ever so preferable to murder! Never occurred to me it might be something other than murder, though!
Jeanne, The Paradise is taken from a French book by Emile Zola. It has been set in England, as you well know, and changed somewhat. This was mentioned early on in this discussion, and then Barbara went into quite a bit of detail just a few posts back.
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I assumed that it might be murder too, though it may be what the screenwriters intend you to think but not what we'll find out happened.
Jeanne, The Paradise is based on Émile Zola’s novel, Au Bonheur des Dames.
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So, no translation? I don't find one in my library.
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Jeanne I believe there is about a dozen books to the series and the English translation is The Ladies Paradise - there is an earlier book called, Pot Luck, about this same family character when he was young and he first worked at the store that he turned into the Paradise. The TV version seems to combine a bit from the first book and the boy who is the store mascot that was a found baby in the store is from Pot Luck.
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All of Zola has been translated for a very long time. Lots of libraries have no shelf room for books that have no present day following. If you want to read him, perhaps a used copy from Thriftbooks or some such would be the way to go.
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What did you think about the latest episode of THE PARADISE? I think we got more of a hint about what happened to the barber though nothing was specifically stated. Moray seems to care for and respect shopgirl Denise but is beholding to the father of Katherine Glendenning. What's he going to do now that Denise has told him she loves him. He's just gotten engaged to Katherine. I think that the acting makes up for the soap opera plot.
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Is this the PBS Masterpiece discussion I need to post to to be entered in the Making Masterpiece sweepstakes?
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Well it is forever old - with all the blockbuster period pieces that have fabulous actor playing superb parts in beyond belief settings my favorite series is still Reckless - a young surgeon meets and falls in love with an older woman who happens to be his boss', the chief surgeon's, wife
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/archive/programs/reckless/fulld.html
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Barbara, I hadn't heard of Reckless. I do like Francesca Annis and Michael Kitchen. I laughed at the article's description of Kitchen's role: "....Dr. Richard Crane, played with exquisite arrogance by Michael Kitchen."
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I remember RECKLESS very well, indeed; and agree the acting was superb.
I still think Jonas killed that barber, Burroughs, though I also still hope not. I checked the cast by Googling: list cast of The Paradise, and it shows that so far that actor has only appeared in 1 episode.
I am still enjoying the show very much. There was no Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries shown on Friday. I guess we have seen all of the first season, and my PBS channel has not yet bought the second. Am enjoying reruns of Kenneth Branagh as Wallander, and Dalziel & Pascoe, and D.I. Banks, and Midsomer Murders, and Miss Marple, and George Gently. They are all wonderful. Thank God for Public Television, or I should go mad!
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We've had "Death in Paradise" here - Set in the Caribbean. I've watched a few of those. Also, finally, saw a couple of Dalziel & Pascoe episodes.
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nlhome., I found a few Death in Paradise episodes in my cable "on demand." I like the character of the police officer who's been sent over from England and wears his suit and tie on the beaches.
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I am having a hard time remembering what I have watch this month on PBS or Masterpiece. Not been watching these weekly Sunday night ones. Just the ones coming on prior to them at 7pm Liked the one on Manor houses and also the one showing the time of Henry 8th. and the places he had built. Really like the Tower of London one the other week. Ours just seem to be repeating everything these last few months. Other Station out east seem to show lots more.
The book that you will be giving. I got it from the library a few months ago. A good read. Good luck everyone.
Oh! I forgot. I really loved the "Last Tango In Halifax." Can't wait for its return. Along with "Dalton Abbey".
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Some I like are
Great performances dance and music
Baking with Julia
New scandivian cooking
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Welcome bluebird. I enjoy some of the dance and music programs, especially "musical theater."
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I had some phone calls and missed some of The Paradise last night, but I think I caught enough of it to keep up with the story. Wonder where it is going. That gal he is engaged to has a personality that just is not happy unless plotting and planning something nefarious. Cannot imagine being like that; it makes her so detestable. I think to her father as well as her "beloved."
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MaryPage, yes, Katherine seems to need a lot of reassurance. She does crazy things for attention. Clara, the shop girl, seems very similar. She is jealous of Denise and has planted the idea that Denise has had a relationship with Moray in Katherine's mind. Katherine's father has seen that Moray favors Denise. We'll have to wait until next week to see what's going to happen next!
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Yes, Denise is Moray's other love interest? I hope he finds a way to drop Catherine as she is really a perverse lady and real trouble maker. What do you think of the manager, ??????, who seems also to be a trouble maker but a nice one?
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The Paradise, Season 1 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
October 6 - November 17
Based on Émile Zola’s beloved classic novel, Au Bonheur des Dames, The Paradise revolves around the lives of the people who live and work in Britain's glamorous first department store, The Paradise. Each is bound in his or her own way by the power of the world they live in, and the pasts that follow them there. A love story, mystery, and social comedy all in one, the lavish costume drama stars Joanna Vanderham (What Maisie Knew) as Denise and Emun Elliot (Game of Thrones) as Moray, alongside Sarah Lancashire (Upstairs Downstairs), Elaine Cassidy (A Room with a View) and Patrick Malahide (Game of Thrones).
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Foyle's War, Season VII (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
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I think for Moray it will be a struggle of head over heart - to drop Katherine means risking his financial backup investments - not only for the store but her father and friends have backed him in the purchase of all the leases on the street.
Katherine wants success for him but she wants the credit for achieving what he cannot achieve where as Denise wants success for the enterprise that will advance her ambitious drive that appears natural to bring about success. However, she is of the wrong class and he will not further his dream without venture capitol that she cannot offer nor does she have the contacts.
Not sure how the partner fits into this - I am not even sure I know what his job entails - he seems to be a peacemaker and a non-threatening ear for the employees - Dudley has a family but I do not get the impression he is socially connected to the "right" people.
As to Jones - he is an independent all the way isn't he - he will not accept Dudley's help because that would give Dudley the edge that in an earlier episode we saw him baiting Jones who did not respect his authority - Jones will be under no one's foot and the coming attractions were ominous that Jones may have dumped the Barber into the river.
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Yes, Annie, In the latest episode we learned more about the "store detective" (I had to look up his role in the store), Jonas Franks. He became a more sympathetic character now that we know how he lost his arm and know more about how he felt about Moray's deceased wife. He still seems to think that Moray harbors a dark secret. Is that the character you mean?
The manager, Dudley, doesn't seem like a trouble maker. As you say, Barbara, Dudley seems to be more of a peacemaker, although he isn't aware of all of the facts when he attempts to help people. He was one who kept telling Moray to marry Katherine.
In the episode Moray told Denise something about his last minutes with his wife so we know more now. Jonas' actions re the barber were not necessary to "save" Moray. It does seem, from the previews, that the barber's body has been found. More plot to be revealed!
Here is a page with the main cast: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/character-hub/series/paradise-s1/
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aha Jonas rather than Jones - ::) :D
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Well I adore Sarah Lancashire, who plays Miss Audrey, no matter what she is playing. She is a wonderful actress.
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While I love the period pieces, I can't forget Henning Mankell's Wallendar series, dealing with serious modern issues in Sweden...the same the world-over, I suppose. At first, I thought the programs were a bit too graphic, but they grew on me. The very human, vulnerable Wallendar has the same problem facing these issues as I had watching them. Kenneth Branagh IS Wallendar, isn't he? I can't wait for the upcoming season. Is Henning Mankell writing these stories as their popularity grows?
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Last night I. Watched a good DVDs. If you havn't seen it,do so. Bit of a tear jerker. Vanessa Redgrave and Terrance Stump. My favourites. Called "unfinished song."
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Isn't that Terrence Stamp??
I think of Kenneth Branaugh as the most boring actor still alive (although one wonders)!
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Just watched I nice DVD. A few tears at the end.(mrs Palfrey at the Claremont
With Joan Plowright. Young man is new Rupert Friend. Good actor.
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Yes, that was so well done wasn't it - seems to me I saw it as a repeat on KLRU our PBS channel. She is priceless as an actress isn't she.
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The Swedish tv series of Wallendar is so much better than the British version. Stands to reason, really. Filmed in Sweden, Swedes playing the parts. Also paced better. The second series is on netflix and the first series can be rented from amazon (but not free from prime). I am rationing myself and have been watching it slowly for some months. I watch every show twice (to get my money's worth....I'm Scottish......no, really because it's SO good...) I have practically fallen in love with the Swedish guy who plays Wallender. The series is so gripping. New stories by Mankell. After a while you start to learn Swedish. The actors are all excellent. Ola Rapace plays Linda's boyfriend and fellow cop, then they fall out. W. has several failed relationships and is not nearly so gloomy as in the books. I couldn't believe Mankell gave him Alzheimer's in the last book. I think he must have been fed up with him. But its strange because the character in the series seems much more youthful and in love with life, and M. wrote these stories for tv.
I agree, Adoannie, Kenneth Branagh is REALLY BORING at least, as Wallendar!
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I like Kenneth Branaugh, and his interpretation suits me okay. On the other hand, I much prefer Swedish movies to American or British ones, when it is a Swedish story. Case in point: the Swedish movies of books by Per Wahloo and Maj Sojwall. The Swedish films were PERFECT; the American stab at it was a horror. Not a horror film, but a horribly done failure as a film. And I own the 3 Swedish films of the books about the Girl Who by Steig Larsson, and while I did applaude the American version of the first one, the Swedish version was SO much better. So I would really and truly like to see the Swedish versions of Wallendar. I do not mind subtitles at all; not one tiny bit. I know quite a few people, though, including one of my daughters, sad to say, who refuse to even THINK of watching them!
Go figure! It takes all kinds.
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I watched the Swedish Wallender series on Netflix (with sub-titles), and I agree, Dana, it is much better than the Wallender with Branaugh. It isn't nearly as gloomy and the stories seem more interesting and portrays Wallender as a topnotch detective.
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Oh I bet you would love the Swedish Wallander series. I also preferred the Swedish versions of Steig Larsson. My favourite detective stories of all time, so far anyway, are the Wahloo Sjowall series. I must have read then dozens of times since they first came out.. But I have never seen the movies! Super.....will see if I can get them.......
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Thanks Dana, MaryPage and Jean, for those interesting insights about the Swedish Wallander.
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What did you all think about the ending of Season 1 of THE PARADISE? It's going to be a long wait for Season 2, (next year I assume) until we learn the fallout around Moray's decision.
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Well, at least he finally made a decision that I liked. Don't know about how next season will go since the series ended with a kiss.
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Have to admit that I am not one to wait around and see how things turn out. Have already gone on line and Googled Series 2 episodes and can tell you. Won't (tell you), but you may do the same if you wish.
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I read series 2 part one so I know that a year has passed. I won't spoil it for people who prefer to wait.
I usually read IMDB web site.
I like to check there to see what other people think about movie I have seen. But I don't read before I watch it.
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Yes and if we were Brits we could download the episodes - looks like in keeping with the book the back and forth backbiting continues with the only change in the book it is among the help while this series has elevated the shenanigans to the owners, backers and managers of the store.
I was not as taken with the acting in this last segment - even the final seemed dull - no spark or passion - both the actress who plays Dennis and the actor who plays Moray seemed off their game.
Since we learned Sarah Lancashire leaves the show I wonder if that was the last performance by Miss Audrey - well done by both of them.
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I too usually don't mind knowing what's going to happen in some shows. I can still enjoy them.
Encore episodes of Downton Abbey, Seasons 1-3, have been showing on many PBS stations and will continue in December. Season 4 of Downton Abbey will begin on January 5, 2014.
Sherlock, Season 3, will premiere on Sunday, January 19 at 10pm, following the 9pm broadcast of Downton Abbey.
Benedict Cumberbatch (The Fifth Estate, Star Trek Into Darkness) and Martin Freeman (The Hobbit, The Office UK) will return as Sherlock Holmes and John Watson in three new 90-minute episodes of the contemporary reinvention of the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle classic, created by Steven Moffat (Doctor Who) and Mark Gatiss.
“The Empty Hearse” – Sunday, January 19, 2014 at 10pm on MASTERPIECE
“The Sign of Three” – Sunday, January 26, 2014 at 10pm on MASTERPIECE
“His Last Vow” – Sunday, February 2, 2014 at 10pm on MASTERPIECE
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I have become very attached to Benedict Cumberbatch. I do not particularly like his version of Sherlock Holmes, but I love his acting and him. I think it is the scripts I do not care much for. But then again, I cut my eye teeth, as it were, on Basil Rathbone, who was and will ever remain my Holmes.
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I didn't watch the first series of Sherlock Holmes on PBS and am watching them now on Netflix. I'll be ready for Series 3 in January. I've rewatched all the old Sherlock Holmes series, and they are my favorites. I've never cared for Soap Operas (except for Dallas) or any type programming that goes on and on with a lot of family strife and infighting so haven't watched some of the shows on PBS and sometimes miss a good series.
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MaryPage and Jean, I like all of the Sherlock Holmes series. I think that my favorite Sherlock is the early Jeremy Brett Holmes. Here's a nice photo of him: http://thenewdiogenesclub.blogspot.com/2011/06/jeremy-brett-week.html
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Marcie, he is my favorite also. I recently looked at all his Sherlock Holmes series on Netflix and hated to see them end.
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Yes, it's really hard to see a series end when you like the actors/characters. Seeing them again every few years is good. With my memory, I don't usually recall "who did it" in a lot of episodes so it's still fun to watch in re-runs.
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Oh you gotta hear this - I love it :D :D :D Yesterday my three grandsons who live in Lubbock called and spent about an hour on the phone with me catching up - the twins are now 23 and Chris is 24 - typical West Texas kids full of themselves and excited about life in a part of the country where guys live by a rough tough and honest as the day is long code - your typical James Arness or Gary Cooper - Well Cody all proud of himself explains how they came across Downton Abbey on Youtube were intrigued and watched a show - the local Hastings was having a weekend half price sale and while taking advantage of the sale they saw you could rent all the aired series and so one by one they got together at Coopers apartment and watched - they really enjoyed and decided to risk all -
They went public :o sharing with their co-workers and other students so that now a bunch of these young men are all watching and talking about the show as they do a football game - I love it and realized there is far more in that show than just the romance - the characters downstairs provide as much suspense as some TV mysteries - and then the whole thing about the war - it brought the show into a new light for me but I am delighted to think that some of the values we think are lost on our young are now re-inforced in their lives if they are watching and enjoying this series.
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My favorites through the years: Upstairs, Downstairs, The Midwife, Doc Martin, Ballykissangel, Downton Abbey, All Creatures Great and Small, and many others that I can't think of now.
Quality programming!
Sally
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Barb, that's a great story.
Sally, I like all those, too. Another one I remember watching was "Danger, UXB"
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Barb, that's a wonderful story. It's interesting to view Downton Abbey in that new light. Salan, I watched and enjoyed all of those shows except Ballykissangel. I'll have to search for it to see what that's about.
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Don't forget AS TIME GOES BY. That was my darling's favorite, and he watched an episode just about every day. Had 'em all by heart, he did!
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Oh yes, As Time Goes By was also one of my favorites. I also liked The Vicar of Dibley, and Lark Rise to Candleford.
Sally
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I watched a sort of warm up to Season Six of Doc Martin last night. All the major actors talking about their show and the town of Port Isaac. Fun, and I am looking forward to Season Six being shown on my PBS channels.
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My favorite PBS Mystery would be "Prime Suspect", although most of the past and current Mystery Series would place well up there.
Doc Martin, Downtown Abbey, Foyle's War (new and older), ouch, don't let me forget "New Tricks" (love that show)! There is simply no topping Masterpiece, whatever categories!
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MaryPage, that preview for the next season of Doc Martin sounds great. I'll have to look for it on my PBS station. Last evening I watched a re-broadcast of Carol Burnett receiving the Mark Twain Prize. See http://www.pbs.org/mark-twain-prize/
Tomereader, I have to confess that I haven't watched Prime Suspect. I'll probably catch up with it on DVD some day. I do love Doc Martin and Foyle's War. I had to look up NEW TRICKS. I've not heard of it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006t0qx
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My favorite PBS Masterpiece shows were Foyle's War and any of the Mystery series. Also usually watch the PBS Newshour.
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Really enjoyed "last tango in Halifax." Get to see some of the areas I knew growing up. That was then. Now one would think of being in
Baghdad. Real Muslim city now.
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RahRah on the NewsHour - what would we do Flajean without the newshour - although for awhile now I have seen how biased guests have infiltrated even the newshour but I do notice that subsequent news often the next night and running for a couple of nights is the opposite and more popular viewpoint.
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I notice no one has mentioned SCOTT and BAILEY, which our Maryland Public Television (MPT) has been showing for a couple of months now. It is an hour long BBC import. A police crime program, with the head of the department being an extremely intelligent woman and Scott and Bailey being two police detectives under her. Fascinating show, and I have come to love both Scott and Bailey. Anyone besides me get this one?
You can Google Search this show and find heaps of sites on which to read all about it.
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Let's talk about any PBS program of interest to us.
Encore episodes of Downton Abbey, Seasons 1-3, have been showing on many PBS stations and will continue in December. Season 4 of Downton Abbey will begin on January 5, 2014. Sherlock, Season 3, will premiere on Sunday, January 19, following the 9pm broadcast of Downton Abbey. Benedict Cumberbatch (The Fifth Estate, Star Trek Into Darkness) and Martin Freeman (The Hobbit, The Office UK) will return as Sherlock Holmes and John Watson in three new 90-minute episodes of the contemporary reinvention of the Sir Arthur Conan Doyle classic, created by Steven Moffat (Doctor Who) and Mark Gatiss. Watch episodes on TV or online after they air.
See our last year's PBS Masterpiece Classic 2012-2013 discussion (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3496.0) for information about the Downton Abbey episodes.
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The Paradise, Season 1 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
October 6 - November 17
Based on Émile Zola’s beloved classic novel, Au Bonheur des Dames, The Paradise revolves around the lives of the people who live and work in Britain's glamorous first department store, The Paradise. Each is bound in his or her own way by the power of the world they live in, and the pasts that follow them there. A love story, mystery, and social comedy all in one, the lavish costume drama stars Joanna Vanderham (What Maisie Knew) as Denise and Emun Elliot (Game of Thrones) as Moray, alongside Sarah Lancashire (Upstairs Downstairs), Elaine Cassidy (A Room with a View) and Patrick Malahide (Game of Thrones).
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Foyle's War, Season VII (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)
September 15 -29, three 90 minute episodes
Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle is again in pursuit of criminals who are taking advantage of the confusion created by World War II.
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Silk
August 25 - September 8, three 120 minute episodes
Two rival barristers, one an idealistic defense lawyer and the other a ruthless prosecutor, compete for the prestigious appointment as Queen's Counsel in three episodes of high-stakes cases in criminal law.
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The Lady Vanishes
August 18 - 90 minutes
A young socialite suspects foul play when a young woman inexplicably disappears from a train, in a stylish and suspenseful new adaptation of the classic thriller The Lady Vanishes, based on the 1936 novel, The Wheel Spins, by Ethel Lina White.
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Three episodes of ENDEAVOUR reveal the rocky start of Inspector Morse's career in the police force.
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In the all-new 2013 season, Lewis and Hathaway tackle three cases in the seemingly perfect academic haven of Oxford: Down Among the Fearful (June 16), The Ramblin' Boy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/inspector-lewis-s6-e2-ramblin-boy/) (June 23), and Intelligent Design (June 30). Guest stars include Peter Davison (Doctor Who) and Edward Fox (Ghandi, Foyle's War).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
I have enjoyed Scott and Bailey, but I've only seen about 5 episodes.
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My friend in UK mentioned today that the Second Series of "Tango in Halifax" just started there. Really good. Told them not to tell me what is happening. Will most probably not start here until next Spring.
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I do not think I have seen any of Scott and Bailey - I Thought it was interesting last night to hear form one of the actors in Doc Martin that they are NOT in the habit of following year after year with a popular TV series in England - that they let it sit for a year and then decide and have a new crop of situations to write about - maybe it is why we see so many reruns of popular programs - we are used to each year a new set of stories.
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I watched the Susan Saranden reprise of Downton Abbey thus far, plus tidbits about Season 4, last night on PBS. Looks as though it is going to continue to be excellent. I most particularly look forward to the fashions of the nineteen twenties. And I notice they are all calling the baby girl Sibby. The heir is George, who is apparently being raised totally by a nanny.
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I couldn't stand it one more minute and bought an early Christmas present from Acorn, at $29.00 the Season 6 of Doc Martin, in which, we are told, there is a disastrous honeymoon and Martin's "ghastly" mother (Claire Bloom) returns. Who could resist that? hahahaha And she was ghastly and so was his father.
But I won't spill any beans. :)
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Ginny. I may have to buy the Season 6 also. Doubt it shows here until next summer. Did you have to pay shipping on it? My library are very good at getting the DVD early so will check them out first.
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Jeanne, yes I did pay shipping from Acorn. I woudn't have had to from Amazon, now that you mention it and it probably would have been cheaper, too. Not sure why I didn't think of that, but hey! The flu is the flu. (That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it) hahahaha
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ginny. Also on Acom it looks like one has to fill out a member ship and give a Credit Card number just to check thing on it.
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Ginny. Season 6 on Amazon is $20.99 and free shipping over $35 . May see how much will cost for the Season 1 to 5.. Or if something else I need to make up the $35.
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Ha, well I could have saved 9 bucks then (drat), because I have Amazon Prime and shipping is free, so that's a lesson: always go to Amazon first. I think they are going to take over the world anyway and I wish I had some of their stock, it went up 54 percent in...was it last year...or something like that. But I will enjoy Doc Martin anyway, when it comes; Amazon says it doesn't become available till December 10. Just in time for Christmas. :)
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Yes, Amazon appears to be the next monopoly of all retail but frankly with their service and policies that are customer based I will be delighted - I can still see room for the smaller boutiques and those department stores that entice with decor and the availability of trying things on so that shopping becomes a pleasurable experience again however, it could be an end to the big box stores - the junk they offer to keep prices low folks are going to get wise and see quality at low prices that
Amazon offers. Plus I like Jeff what ever his name is - the owner - dynamic and I think his laugh is infectious.
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I had only use Amazon one time long ago. However I have used them 3 times last few weeks. Very impressed with their service. I even bought 4 books and 3 of them shipped to me from Uk and I got them within 8 days. Saved a lot yesterday on there finding the Face cream I use along with special hair products that I thought Walmarts price could no be beat. But it was. I usually try Walmart first because I like the Pick up at Store policy and Store is just down the street from me. No shipping cost. But Amazon was free shipping other than the books and they were only $3.99 each for shipping. Books said used but were like Brand new. 2 only cost 60 cents. . They have me a customer now.
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HO, I've got it, I've got it, I've got it, in the mail today Season 6 of Doc Martin (so much for not being available till December 10) and this calls for a fire and a nice long session in front of the TV. :)
The cover says "Sweet, stirring, and completely addictive." They are right about that. :)
I'm not going to spill the first bean. It looks, however, by viewing the cover photos on the back that the guy who played in The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel is going to appear in Season 6, anyway, he played Norman in the Marigold Hotel, his real name is Ronald Pickup. He did a great job in Marigold Hotel.
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Ginny, I'm jealous!!! That's great news. What a nice Christmas present to yourself.
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They are filming a new " marigold Hotel" movie. Can't wait for it to come out. Glad that Judi Dench will be able tone in it. Can't read but still has a great memory.
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Downton Abbey cast TONIGHT LIVE on Youtube~!!
Catch up with cast members and producers from Downton Abbey in a LIVE Q&A panel discussion from New York City on Thursday, Dec. 12, 2014, 8:30PM ET! See all the action unfold LIVE and get a taste for what's ahead in Season 4 as you watch this special, online streaming event on YouTube. [Online video viewable in the US only]
PS: The Doc Martin new Series 6 is out of this world, the first episode is to die for.
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Thanks for that info, Ginny!
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Ginny. You are a tease. I just don't want to break down and buy Doc Martin 6. I may buy they whole set once they get all through. Same with Downton Abbey. I bought the first 2.
How do you get the the LIve on You Tube on either the IPad or desktop. What do I type in?
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Jeanne, sorry, I did not see your post. If you missed it, you can still catch it here:
Desperate for Downton
http://www.gpb.org/blogs/desperate-for-downton/2013/12/12/watch-live-downton-abbey-cast-youtube-interview-at-8-p-m
Once you get to this page scroll down and you'll see a big red arrow over a picture of Downton Abbey and you can watch it then.
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Ginny. I brought that site up last night. Interesting. I could not reconize a couple of the people. Edith did not even look like here. And I really liked Thomas even though I don't like him in the show. Could tell the one who is the Cook also the housekeeper. Both are much younger in person.
The whole series takes over PBS here tonight from 6pm to 11pm. Still trying to get people to give money to the station.
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Here's a short video to preview the upcoming SHERLOCK season. It's lots of fun!!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/watch-online/shorts/sherlock-mini-episode-many-happy-returns/?elq=818867c6e4374702b490c9829691fca7&elqCampaignId=780
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I just pre-ordered Masterpiece Classic: Downton Abbey Season 4 from Barnes and Noble. Spent some of my dozen or so gift cards from there. It will be shipped to me on January 28.
I also watched 20/20 last night. They did a 2-hour special about castles in Great Britain and what it is like to live in them today. Highclere was included, and a lot about Downton Abbey. They said there is definitely a Season 5 all signed up and to begin filming in February.
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MaryPage, the 20/20 you watched sounds like a great segment. It's good to know that Season 5 of Downton is lined up already.
Lucky you to have so many gift cards!!
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Marcie, I got that notice from PBS. It is fun! I love the wink at the end.
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Jean, I like the wink also. It will be interesting to find out how Sherlock is still alive after the cliffhanger last season.
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I had to come to work yesterday, Sunday, so as to be able to go home Tuesday, so I worked quite late and missed the Christmas special of Midwives, but got upstairs to my bedroom television in time for the last five minutes. The nun married the doctor! Beautiful wedding and many happy smiles all around, all around!
And an announcement to expect the third season of this wonderful show in the spring!
Ah, Spring!
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I think that in season 4 and then 5 of Downton Abbey. We are going to find that Branson will become as big a favourite as Mathew was. Don't think will be a romance for him and Mary. This flighty young cousin ....could be her.
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Watched the Midwives Christmas special. I am so glad that we are going to have a new special season.
Sally
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Lucky you, Sally!
I wanted so much to see it. Am hoping for some repeats this week. Maybe I'll get lucky, too!
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HAPPY NEW YEAR AND WISHING YOU ALL OF THE BEST IN 2014.
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Thanks, MaryPage.
Happy new year, everyone!!
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Let's continue our discussion of PBS programs in our new PBS Masterpiece 2014 discussion (which includes Downton Abbey and Sherlock) at http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4103.0