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Title: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: marcie on January 01, 2017, 11:40:18 AM
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See the 2017 MASTERPIECE schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)

Let's talk about PBS programs that we enjoy.

UPCOMING

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My Mother and Other Strangers (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/my-mother-and-other-strangers/)
June 18, 2017

Set in Northern Ireland during World War Two, My Mother and Other Strangers follows the fortunes of the Coyne family and their neighbors as they struggle to maintain a normal life after a huge United States Army Air Force (USAAF) airfield, with 4,000 service men and women, lands in the middle of their rural parish.

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  Grantchester, Season 3 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 18, 2017

James Norton (Happy Valley) stars as the handsome, jazz-loving vicar Sidney Chambers, with Robson Green as his law-enforcement ally, Inspector Geordie Keating, in Grantchester, a mystery series based on the acclaimed novels by James Runcie. When we last left the sleepy village, Sidney faced a moral dilemma: be with the woman he loves, or take the moral high road.

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  Prime Suspect: Tennison (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 25, 2017

MASTERPIECE dials back the clock to spotlight the influences that turned 22-year-old rookie policewoman Jane Tennison into the savvy, single-minded crime fighter beloved by Prime Suspect viewers. Starring Stefanie Martini (Doctor Thorne) in the iconic role immortalized by Helen Mirren, Prime Suspect: Tennison airs in three riveting 90-minute episodes.

ALREADY DISCUSSED
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King Charles III (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/king-charles-iii/)
May 14, 2017

The hit Broadway show King Charles III, starring Tim Pigott-Smith, adapted for television, imagines Prince Charles’ ascension to the throne following Queen Elizabeth’s death.

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Dark Angel (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/dark-angel/)
May 21, 2017

Starring Downton Abbey‘s Joanne Froggatt, Dark Angel tells the story of Mary Ann Cotton: loving wife, mother, and serial murderer. Faced with abject poverty and an ailing husband, Mary Ann is ruthlessly determined to pursue a better life.

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Home Fires, Season 2 - Final Season (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/home-fires/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

The Final Season of Home Fires follows the women of an English rural village as they are separated from their husbands, fathers, sons and brothers during World War 1 and must forge alliances among their diverse community.

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Wolf Hall - Encore Presentation (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/wolf-hall/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

An encore presentation of Season 1 from 2015 of Wolf Hall. Adapted from Hilary Mantel’s best-selling Booker Prize-winning novels Wolf Hall and its sequel, Bring Up the Bodies, Wolf Hall follows the complex machinations and back room dealings of accomplished power broker Thomas Cromwell, who must serve king and country while dealing with deadly political intrigue, Henry VIII’s tempestuous relationship with Anne Boleyn, and the religious upheavals of the Protestant reformation.

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To Walk Invisible The Bronte Sisters (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/to-walk-invisible-the-bronte-sisters/)
March 26, 2017 (2 hours)

Written and directed by Sally Wainwright (Happy Valley, Last Tango in Halifax), To Walk Invisible depicts the evolution of secluded, dutiful clergyman’s daughters into authors of the most controversial fiction of the 1840s.


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Victoria (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/victoria-s1/), Season 1
January 15 - March 5, 2017

A diminutive, neglected teenager is crowned Queen Victoria, who navigates the scandal, corruption, and political intrigues of the Court, and soon rises to become the most powerful woman in the world.

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Sherlock (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/sherlock-s4/), Season 4
January 1 - 15, 2017

Sherlock (with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman) returns with three brand-new episodes that promise laughter, tears, shocks, surprises and extraordinary adventures.

Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: marcie on January 01, 2017, 11:58:02 AM
Happy New Year!!

Tonight, January 1, SHerlock, Season 4, returns with "The Six Thatchers." Sherlock waits to see where Moriarty will make his posthumous move. One mysterious case in particular baffles Scotland Yard, but Sherlock is more interested in a seemingly trivial detail. Why is someone destroying images of the late Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher? Is there a madman on the loose? Or is there a much darker purpose at work? Something with its roots deep in Mary Watson's past…

I look forward to watching and talking about the new series.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 01, 2017, 12:04:41 PM
Looking forward to Victoria - saw the Christmas special last night of the Midwife group in Africa - a delight - the change of scenery was perfect.
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Post by: Frybabe on January 01, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
Marking
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: nlhome on January 01, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
Haven't watched any TV other than a couple of movies for 2 weeks. I can't say I missed it, but I'll check out PBS when I can. Tonight, though, we will watch football.
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Post by: CallieinOK on January 01, 2017, 04:04:55 PM
Marking my spot.   Happy New Year, everyone.
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Post by: mabel1015j on January 01, 2017, 09:54:31 PM
OMG!

One of the things I always enjoyed about the British police mysteries was the lack of violence! Well! I'm watching -maybe- Sherlock.............so far they've had at least FOUR shoot-em-up scenes with high powered automatic weapons and killed about 3 dozen people!

I think I'm going to work on my research for my library presentation on Women Artists, it's much less stressful, actually fun! 👏🏻🎉👍


Jean
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: Frybabe on January 02, 2017, 06:36:37 AM
Well, I did it again. I fell asleep long enough to miss the first half hour of Sherlock. Decided to wait until the 10:30pm rerun and, again, fell asleep on my reading and missed it completely. I'll have to catch up with it online, I think, if i am going to keep falling asleep on things.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 02, 2017, 01:17:54 PM
Watson has lost weight and is very dishy - but the storyline is so far beyond the traditional story. I had the programs, one after the other as background after watching bits of the first - can't tell if Watson's wife is a good guy or not - she appears to have been shot dead and yet, she makes videos, watched supposedly after her death that suggest she really does not die - the whole thing is another story simply using the Holmes and Watson names and some of their characterizations. Not my favorite - it is like the discussion we had the other day of the mine field laid by many historical fiction writers -

When you fictionalize history what is true and what is not and the work to find out and then knowing how many including at times ourselves are not up on the period of history fictionalized so we believe as fact all the wrong things - this fictionalization of fiction bringing Holmes and Watson into the twenty-first century is doing the same thing as I watch to find like a detectorist bits of what is the story of Sherlock Holmes - enough...! I do not have to like a series just because it was shown on PBS!
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Post by: ginny on January 03, 2017, 11:34:29 AM
I thought it was brilliant. Very James Bond. Darker than the others but the plots have to go somewhere and Sherlock himself came to be  very much disliked by his creator, Arthur Conan Doyle, who only brought him back after the Reichenbach Falls death because Doyle's mother loved the character.  I want to reread The Adventure of the Six  Napoleons now.

Much too scary to watch at night, and since I had read something happens to Mary, I watched it in the day time  through fingers across my face, but I needn't have. If I watch it again I'll watch it without the fingers.

I did dislike the interrogation of the spy or whatever he was but sped thru it, that's just my personal preference.

I really liked it, I can see that's not the prevailing opinion so far, but I did. I never swallowed Mary, a difficult character to play, I think,   and here she takes on an entire new persona, and career, which I didn't  really buy into, but it's interesting. 

 I don't know why viewers are carrying on about John, he did the right thing in the end.

I really like Mark Gatiss, (Mycroft) who is also the writer of the show and has been all along. This one is dark but very James Bondish and that building which they keep showing in London with the Ferris wheel in front of it, the old County Hall, where the London Aquarium is, is also the  hotel where I am staying in May, if nothing happens. Hopefully there will not be any secret agents in it meeting antagonistically  while I am there.

I especially loved Latin as the defining clue. Well done, Gatiss! Thing keeps you guessing at every turn.


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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 03, 2017, 12:10:18 PM
Miss Fisher's Murder Mystery was on one of our alternate PBS channels last night - impressive - not sure if it will be a regular since they showed buying the DVD series but is was a 'real' story not just a costume mystery set in the 1920s.

Also restarted is Whitechapel  - another impressive put together mystery with the unlikely pairing of Rupert Penry-Jones, and Phil Davis - this set of stories is about a copycat Jack the Ripper murderer - wow - on the edge of you seat and well done with costume and filming and writing.

Looks like we are going to have a Monday night featuring mysteries plus my very favorite sitcom the Detectorists - love the quirky personalities and looks of these guys. love it...
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Post by: rosemarykaye on January 03, 2017, 02:14:59 PM
I quite enjoyed the latest Sherlock and I have to say I was only too pleased to see the back of Mary - that character was really going nowhere. Now, however, I will be interested to see how they cope with the baby - who was handily taken over by Molly this week. Was just saying to my husband how any man that is ever left with a small child always seems to have women falling at his feet, whereas a woman in a similar situation just has to get on with it - so will someone come along for John, or will Una Stubbs become the surrogate granny?
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: rosemarykaye on January 03, 2017, 02:28:50 PM
Over Christmas we also saw a new Agatha Christie one-off on the BBC, Witness for the Prosecution. It was very dark compared to all the usual Miss Marples and Poirots. The main character was played by the inimitable Toby Jones, with Kim Cattrall and Andrea Riseborough also taking major parts. I think I enjoyed it, but we're still discussing it here - I suppose that's a good sign. It certainly wasn't as cosy as the usual Christie TV adaptations.  I read an interview with Toby Jones, who said that whilst the viewing public may have been happy with the cosy stuff 20 years ago, they now want more to 'get their teeth into'. I'm undecided as to whether or not he's right - I think what i want to see depends entirely on my mood at the time, and I do enjoy a good Miss Marple when I need something comforting.

Rosemary
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Post by: ginny on January 04, 2017, 09:05:14 AM
Me, too, Rosemary.  In  my case, I   have never been satisfied with anybody but Joan Hicks  Hickson (thank you, Ann),  as Miss Marple, and your writing that  made me wonder IF in fact she was as good as I remember her. I must see the new ones to see if they fit my picture of Miss Marple, nobody else has.  What an incredible woman she was!!!  Left off doing Miss Marple (when Agatha Christie herself said she must write one for her) because she didn't want to be typecast!!   I can hear her fluting voice right now. I think I'll watch one of her old ones and see again before checking out the new...they've remastered the series and the result is quite good.

On Mary, I agree. I kept thinking the real life divorce between the two was the cause of the plot development but apparently they are still very much in love anyway. They did make her look quite unattractive this time, I thought, perhaps in aid of her secret occupation?  Strange.  Loved the plot twists at the end.

I also really like the WWII broadcasts of Sherlock Holmes which are available on audio CD, starring Basil Rathbone and Nigel  Bruce. They have the old time commercials from the 40's,  and Bruce admonishing all of us to save our kitchen soap and to buy war bonds. They are priceless. It's something to ride along in the car in 2016 and listen to 1940's on the radio.

Those are not strictly by  Doyle's books, either, they were written by Anthony Boucher and Denis Greene, (the same Boucher of the  Boucher... Awards for Mystery) but they are exceedingly clever and well done. I've also got all the movies of Rathbone and Bruce's  Sherlock Holmes and how the critics ravaged Nigel Bruce as Dr. Watson!! I loved him in that series, he was a perfect foil and he and Rathbone were great friends. I did not realize Rathbone became typecast by Sherlock and that he was born in Africa, wonderful biography out on him years ago, he apparently was a wonderful man.

I understand he did a Scrooge, people used to listen to it on the radio, he'd read A Christmas Carol. I haven't heard it in years.

But I came IN to say, having taken down the huge tome of all of Sherlock Holmes stories (so much for my right rotator cuff)  to see the original Adventure of the Six Napoleons, I found a much lighter one online and I love the typeface:

https://sherlock-holm.es/stories/pdf/a4/1-sided/sixn.pdf


I am still a little bit confused over the tale of the Merchant and the  Market and the joke about Death Waiting, I get the joke, but is there a greater significance? In other words Mary was there all the time?  But it wasn't just Mary, right? So what's with the Latin clue? The code name? So if that's the answer, why did they suspect the wrong person?

I  don't want to spoil it for those who have not watched it, but those bits are eluding me. Can you answer it without giving away any of the plot? I hate people who spoil surprises and this one's got a ton of them.

 I think it's because I watched the thing between the speed forward button and the fingers, but how did that actually fit in? Or do I have it?



Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: Dana on January 04, 2017, 02:15:30 PM
Who remembers Witness for the Prosecution with Charles Laughton and Marlene Deitrich and.....?...., another guy,........saw it as a kid in the local flea pit with my parents I think, still remember it, quite a shocker when you didn't know the end, and certainly not the usual cosy Christie. story.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on January 04, 2017, 02:47:01 PM
Ginny - no good asking me about all the complicated bits in Sherlock, I haven't got a clue what they were on about!  When I keep interrupting to ask questions my daughters just say 'oh nobody understands it all, just go with the flow'!  ::)
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Post by: marcie on January 04, 2017, 05:03:27 PM
I have to watch the latest Sherlock again then we can compare notes. I kept waiting for Moriarity to come back so I think I was distracted :-)
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Post by: rosemarykaye on January 04, 2017, 06:16:37 PM
Oh I so wish he would come back - I love Andrew Scott - but Mark Gatiss has said categorically that there will be no more Moriarty (unless, of course, that's a red herring...)
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Post by: Annie on January 05, 2017, 08:48:40 AM
i really don't care for Sherlock but I do like Elementery which is a more gentle in bringing Sherlock into the 21st century. My favorite Sherlock was Jeremy Brett who stayed in the Victorian age. I see no reason for dragging them into the 21st century.
If anyone has been watching "The Crown" have you heard when the series will return?
 
About Joan Hicks, am I wrong in my remembrance of a different actress playing Miss Marple when the show the show first on?  I know, Google it, Ann!  Doing it now!

Ginny, where did you find CD about WWII? We used to listen to books when traveling but never saw anything offered like that!
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Post by: Annie on January 05, 2017, 09:20:29 AM
yeeeeessss! Miss Marple has been played by four or more actresses not just Joan Hickson! One of them was in Cranford! I still haven't discovered how to put a link up using my iPhone but I do have iPad for Dummies so will look in there. Later 'gator!
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Post by: ginny on January 05, 2017, 09:38:13 AM
Oh of course it's Hickson, not Hicks, thank you  Ann. I am hoping to get off this  awful Metropolol in the next couple of days and retain what's left of my mind, that's 2 (count 'em) mistakes already this morning, and it appears to be only 9:00.

Rosemary, I love that, your daughters are  in it for the experience, that's the way we u sed to listen to rock and roll lyrics, who cares what the singer is saying, it's the experience. It worked for us, didn't it. Louie Louie, Bob Dylan, nobody knew what the heck they were singing. Sounded good, though.

Ann it's Radio Spirits I order from, they've got them all. It's possible, tho that Cracker Barrel stores if you have any near you, have the same CD's.

Ann, I don't know when The Crown will return, but, like you, I am ready to see it.

Marcie, I kept waiting for Moriarty too, and I also love the actor in that part.  I will be interested in what you can make of the Merchant and the Plot Line, it was repeated at least twice, in the beginning, at the end and I thought perhaps (through the fingers) in the middle once too.

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Post by: ginny on January 06, 2017, 07:19:55 AM

There's a wonderful article some of you may like this morning on the BBC about the creator of Sherlock, Mark Gattis,  and his response to a critic who complained that this last Sherlock  was too  Bond.

Gattis responded to him in verse, which is what Arthur Conan Doyle did in 1912 to a similar complaint about his own  Sherlock. I thought you might like to see it if you haven't:

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38516886
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 06, 2017, 12:36:23 PM
aha - and the other side of the coin  ;) - some Brits are unhappy with the new Sherlock for some of the same reasons I am unhappy and then for a few more reasons I had not even thought through...

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jan/03/sherlock-slowly-perversely-morphing-into-james-bond-benedict-cumberbatch
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Post by: Annie on January 06, 2017, 06:56:21 PM
Oh ho!!! I am not the only one who doesn't care for Sherlock!! The Brits say it's too
James Bondish!! It reminded me of Dr Who! Guess what??? Both are written by the same person.
The coat that Sherlock wears was copied from Dr Who's coat. Both actors even walk the same wa
way!
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Post by: Frybabe on January 09, 2017, 01:19:26 PM
I caught the last half hour of the first Sherlock and only watched about 40 minutes of the second. I am not at all interested in watching stuff about serial killers. Also, the scene with John at the therapist seemed flat.
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Post by: Dana on January 14, 2017, 05:14:05 PM
Our PBS had the 2014 version of Mapp and Lucia last night which of-course I enjoyed but it set my husband off looking for his tapes of the previous version, which I think he found (hope they have not faded away).  I thought the new actors just copied the original ones but were not as good, I liked the way some of the stories were combined,though.The new Georgie and Lucia especially could not match up to Hawthorne and Geraldine ?.  Netflix used to have the original series.
Afterwards there was a fascinating program about Helena Rubenstein and Elizabeth Arden and the rise of the cosmetic industry.  I saw Rubenstein's home in Krakow a couple years ago,which was also where Roman Polanski grew up, and both her and Arden's story just show such drive and ingenuity....it sounded from this program as if they practically invented the cosmetics industry.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on January 14, 2017, 05:47:23 PM
Racking my brains and all of a sudden "then came the dawn" - part of the Elizabeth Arden story was included in the PBS series on Harry Selfridge with one of the characters choosing between a husband who had disappointed her and going to NY with Arden.

Ha you also with squirreling away old tapes etc. - my kids shake their head since I still have 78s and yes, in the closet broken but can be fixed phonograph to play them and old tapes with a tape deck to play them on a TV that I kept that will not without all sorts of boxes and antennas play the current TV signal and an old boom box that plays audio tapes that were on tiny reels. And yep, I too have the original Geraldine and Hawthorne - just loved that series - with nothing on TV except angry pundits and voters I should get them out and enjoy the past  ;)
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Post by: Annie on January 14, 2017, 11:06:45 PM
Barb, yes you should!!! TV has gone off the cliff!  I, too, still have quite a few  of those records but mine are 33's and a few years ago my husband gave me a brand new record player.  My grans were amazed by it. They still are amazed!  I play the records when I walk on our treadmill.  My CD player isn't working but he never had a chance to fix it. Recently, he suggested I get a small one so could listen to it in bed while going to sleep. Of course, I have a player in my old MacPro, but that's a little arkward to use in bed.😊😊
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Post by: Dana on January 16, 2017, 10:05:57 AM
I watched that "Victoria".  It wasn't very good, too slow, which is a shame because she is fascinating.  There's a super biography by Christopher Hibbert...she wrote the most hilarious letters which he quotes in some detail (the interesting bits!)  I highly recommend the biography, but not the show.  Pity.
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Post by: CallieinOK on January 16, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
Dana,  I was also disappointed the first episode of "Victoria".  The scenes seemed "chopped up". 
Thought it might have been because I just finished watching "The Crown" series on Netflix.  IMO, it moved at a smooth pace and the viewer always knew where various scenes were taking place.

I've now started the "Monarch of the Glen" series on Netflix and am enjoying it.
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Post by: FlaJean on January 16, 2017, 12:20:31 PM
Marking my place.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on January 16, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
I have not watched Victoria, but I have just recorded an interview with John Berger, the recently deceased author of Ways of Seeing. People say that Berger's book, published in 1972, changed the way they looked at art. I haven't read the book yet (has anyone on here?), but I am looking forward to hearing what he had to say.

Rosemary
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Post by: Jonathan on January 16, 2017, 05:01:49 PM
I'm very pleased to hear that Hibbert'a Queen Victoria is a super bio. I dug it up after the show last night and started on it. I've had it on my shelf, meaning to read it for years. I enjoyed the drama. Especially the politics. A young queen taking the measure of royal prerogative. Something like a guy suddenly finding himself president in the Oval Office.
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Post by: Dana on January 17, 2017, 11:03:03 AM
Hibbert's book is fascinating although I struggled to begin with to make sense of all the relatives--it helped when I finally succumbed and looked at the family tree so helpfully provided (rather like, when all else fails-read the instructions!)
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Post by: Annie on January 18, 2017, 07:10:11 PM
My email delivered these links to me and thought you might like to read them:

http://history1800s.about.com/od/1800sglossary/a/1800stimeline.htm
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http://history1800s.about.com/od/leaders/ss/Queen-Victoria-Facts.htm

I enjoyed "Victoria" and I looked to find out about her life.

I also rewatched "The Crown" Episodes 9 & 10. 

Does anyone know when they are going to put up more about Queen Elizabeth's life?  She has been on the throne longer than Victoria as of 2015.
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Post by: mabel1015j on January 19, 2017, 12:48:01 PM
Years ago I read an interesting book about Queen Victoria titled Grandmama of Europe by Theo Aronson. It is amazing how many European royalty she was related to.

I enjoyed Victoria as a "fictional story." I don't know how much of it, especially the personal conversations, we can believe. The settings and costumes are fun to see.

I couldn't believe that John Lithgow didn't win the Golden Globe for his "Winston". I don't know anything about The Night Manager, whose lead actor won, but Lithgow was wonderful , and over all the episodes. It seemed to me to be a much tougher role than the one that won.

Jean
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Post by: rosemarykaye on January 19, 2017, 02:03:19 PM
I haven't seen Winston, Jean, but The Night Manager was fantastic. It's an adaptation of a John Le Carre book (he of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy) and Tom Hiddleston and Hugh Laurie were both outstanding in it. it was compulsive Sunday night viewing for everyone I know when it was on.
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Post by: Frybabe on January 19, 2017, 03:39:18 PM
I didn't care for The Night Manager. Took it off my watch-list after the first episode.
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Post by: mabel1015j on January 19, 2017, 07:13:40 PM
Lithgow played Churchill on The Crown.
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Post by: ginny on January 19, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
 And he was wonderful. There is a LOT of great competition this year, have never seen such strong contenders.

The Emmys are coming up for TV and hopefully by  carefully entering the categories entered, some of our favorites might have a chance to win in a very strong field.

The ratings for Sherlock fell for the last one, I think due to the unpleasant nature of the 2nd one. I guess it's our generation but the nasty guy with the IV thing was a major turn off to me.  The rest of the show I enjoyed;  it was Sherlock as we know him, but they came on very strong with those IV's and the drug thing  which I guess people have an aversion to. I don't think I'll watch the 2nd one again, it was not plausible to me.

I really liked what I saw, however, of the last one, the Final Problem. I'm not through yet (it was too scary to watch at night), but in looking ahead, what fun,  what a tease they are. I won't say why but it was good to see one of the characters return, or possibly not.    Very clever.  I kind of wish they had not done that second one, I don't think Mark Gatiss wrote that one, did he?
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: rosemarykaye on January 20, 2017, 01:23:22 PM
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See the 2017 MASTERPIECE schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)

Let's talk about PBS programs that we enjoy.

UPCOMING

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My Mother and Other Strangers (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/my-mother-and-other-strangers/)
June 18, 2017

Set in Northern Ireland during World War Two, My Mother and Other Strangers follows the fortunes of the Coyne family and their neighbors as they struggle to maintain a normal life after a huge United States Army Air Force (USAAF) airfield, with 4,000 service men and women, lands in the middle of their rural parish.

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  Grantchester, Season 3 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 18, 2017

James Norton (Happy Valley) stars as the handsome, jazz-loving vicar Sidney Chambers, with Robson Green as his law-enforcement ally, Inspector Geordie Keating, in Grantchester, a mystery series based on the acclaimed novels by James Runcie. When we last left the sleepy village, Sidney faced a moral dilemma: be with the woman he loves, or take the moral high road.

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  Prime Suspect: Tennison (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 25, 2017

MASTERPIECE dials back the clock to spotlight the influences that turned 22-year-old rookie policewoman Jane Tennison into the savvy, single-minded crime fighter beloved by Prime Suspect viewers. Starring Stefanie Martini (Doctor Thorne) in the iconic role immortalized by Helen Mirren, Prime Suspect: Tennison airs in three riveting 90-minute episodes.

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King Charles III (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/king-charles-iii/)
May 14, 2017

The hit Broadway show King Charles III, starring Tim Pigott-Smith, adapted for television, imagines Prince Charles’ ascension to the throne following Queen Elizabeth’s death.

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Dark Angel (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/dark-angel/)
May 21, 2017

Starring Downton Abbey‘s Joanne Froggatt, Dark Angel tells the story of Mary Ann Cotton: loving wife, mother, and serial murderer. Faced with abject poverty and an ailing husband, Mary Ann is ruthlessly determined to pursue a better life.

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Home Fires, Season 2 - Final Season (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/home-fires/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

The Final Season of Home Fires follows the women of an English rural village as they are separated from their husbands, fathers, sons and brothers during World War 1 and must forge alliances among their diverse community.

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Wolf Hall - Encore Presentation (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/wolf-hall/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

An encore presentation of Season 1 from 2015 of Wolf Hall. Adapted from Hilary Mantel’s best-selling Booker Prize-winning novels Wolf Hall and its sequel, Bring Up the Bodies, Wolf Hall follows the complex machinations and back room dealings of accomplished power broker Thomas Cromwell, who must serve king and country while dealing with deadly political intrigue, Henry VIII’s tempestuous relationship with Anne Boleyn, and the religious upheavals of the Protestant reformation.

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To Walk Invisible The Bronte Sisters (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/to-walk-invisible-the-bronte-sisters/)
March 26, 2017 (2 hours)

Written and directed by Sally Wainwright (Happy Valley, Last Tango in Halifax), To Walk Invisible depicts the evolution of secluded, dutiful clergyman’s daughters into authors of the most controversial fiction of the 1840s.


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Victoria (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/victoria-s1/), Season 1
January 15 - March 5, 2017

A diminutive, neglected teenager is crowned Queen Victoria, who navigates the scandal, corruption, and political intrigues of the Court, and soon rises to become the most powerful woman in the world.

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Sherlock (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/sherlock-s4/), Season 4
January 1 - 15, 2017

Sherlock (with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman) returns with three brand-new episodes that promise laughter, tears, shocks, surprises and extraordinary adventures.



Ginny - the last one of Sherlock did not go down too well with many people here, but I thought it was excellent, and very scary. My daughter saw it as 'lazy' and said they borrowed too much from Dr Who, which they also write, but which i do not watch. And I loved the 'return' of that person (!) - the most brilliant actor of the entire cast IMO.

We are into the new series of Endeavour, and very much enjoying that too.

And Call the Midwife returns on Sunday - can't wait :)

Rosemary
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Post by: Frybabe on January 20, 2017, 04:22:04 PM
A new Endeavour? I hope we see it here eventually.
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Post by: Annie on February 13, 2017, 11:51:57 AM
I watched an episode of "Agatha Raisin" when it was on PBS here in Gahanna. I don't particularly like it because Agatha does not look like I thought she would and she is a bit of a flibbertgy Gidget. Blonde bombshell!
I don't like "'Miss Fisher's Mysterys" either. Same kind of stories which I think could have been better presented.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on February 13, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
I agree about Miss Fisher's Mysteries - so irritating! I haven't even watched the Agatha Raisin ones - saw a trailer and that was more than enough.

We have a new series of the Painting Challenge just starting. I really enjoy this - it's like Bake Off but with amateur artists. I can't paint anything, so I like to see how people do it. This week they'd to do a couple of still lifes, and it was amazing how different the results were from one another.

Rosemary
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Post by: FlaJean on February 23, 2017, 11:54:21 AM
I enjoy Miss Fisher's Mysteries.  A good escape now and then from all the news and politics.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 08, 2017, 03:01:31 AM
I don't know if Broadchurch was shown in the US, but we have just begun a new series of it. Two episodes in and it is brilliant - though harrowing too.

It concerns not a murder (at least not so far) but a serious sexual assault (which we do not see - it's all about the aftermath) by an as yet unidentified assailant. The victim is played by Julie Hesmondhalgh, a fantastic actress. She's not in the least glamorous. We are starting to discover that she does not fit the typical role of victim at all, and the story therefore raises a lot of questions about what we expect of women, how we judge their behaviour, and why they are expected to be as pure as the driven snow when men are often just seen as 'lads' when they behave similarly. It's thought-provoking. In this week's episode the woman's daughter, aged 15, returned from a weekend trip to find out what had happened to her mother while she was away. It was an incredibly heartbreaking scene, and made me think about how I would cope with telling my own daughters something like that.

Olivia Coleman and David Tennant are back as the police officers. They are both outstanding, and the working relationship between them is so well done.

So far I have no idea who the perpetrator was - there are so many possibilities - but in a way it doesn't matter, the value of the story is the way in which it shows how a family, and a whole town, can be affected by such a thing.

There are 8 episodes in all, and this will be the last series as the writer has now been headhunted to write Dr Who. i will be on the edge of my sofa every Monday night.

Rosemary
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Post by: FlaJean on March 08, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
I saw the first Broadchurch.  It was very good.  Hope we get the new series.
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Post by: marcie on March 16, 2017, 10:08:54 PM
I too hope that we get the new Broadchurch in the US. I don't see a specific date yet.

Meanwhile, I'm interested in the 2-hour program about the Bronte sisters that PBS is showing on March 26. See info about TO WALK INVISIBLE THE BRONTE SISTERS at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/to-walk-invisible-the-bronte-sisters/
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Post by: CallieinOK on March 17, 2017, 04:14:22 PM
I found Broadchurch  on Netflix and put it on my List.  There are 2 seasons available.

However, between other things on my List,  e-books waiting to be read and Life In General,  the conversation here may have gone on to other things before I get to watch!   ;D
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 18, 2017, 05:48:51 AM
The most recent season of Call the Midwife ended last Sunday, though my daughter and I have still to see the final episode. The good news is that a new season of Vera starts this Sunday - for anyone who hasn't seen it before, it's based on the books by Ann Cleeves, set in Northumberland. The inimitable Brenda Blethyn plays Vera, a police detective with some unorthodox methods. I love it but my mother is not so keen - anyone else seen it? If you are American you will probably need subtitles, as the Geordie accent can be impenetrable even for us, but IMO it's worth persevering!

Ann Cleeves apparently started writing when she was living at a bird observatory, her husband being an avid bird watcher who had a job there. She's not into birds so she needed something else to do.  I am not into my husband's interests in sport and music festivals, but somehow I don't seem to have produced any bestselling books as yet...  ::)

Rosemary
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Post by: FlaJean on March 18, 2017, 12:41:48 PM
I enjoyed Series I of Vera but it is no longer on Netflix and they never added a Series II.  I did need subtitles  :).
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 18, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
That's a shame - I do think it's got better and better (whereas Granchester, for example, seems to have deteriorated horribly in the most recent series).
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Post by: Annie on March 18, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
I just read about the Bronte sisters program. I didn't know it was going to be a series. That sounds interesting. I will put it on my calendar! I'm serious about this! On my wall calendar!!! I have never used my iPhone calendar.😢😢. Maybe I should!😋😋
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Post by: Jonathan on March 19, 2017, 03:48:27 PM
I wouldn't miss the series for anything. The lives of the Bronte sisters were so unique. I've been to Haworth and got caught up in the mood of the place. Their father, too, was an unusual character, I found, after reading a biography of him, A Man of Sorrow. He lived on after losing wife and children, one after the other.

He asked Elizabeth Gaskell to write a biography of Charlotte after she died. His own character came off rather badly in the book, and his feelings are reflected in a letter he wrote to Mrs Gaskell:

'I do not deny that I am somewhat eccentrick. Had I been numbered amongst the calm, sedate, concentric men of the world, I should not have been as I now am,, and I should in all probability never have had such children as mine have been.'

RIP, Patrick.  Thoroughbreds, all of them.
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Post by: marcie on March 19, 2017, 06:24:25 PM
I very much enjoy the episodes of VERA whenever they are (infrequently) shown.

I believe that the new TO WALK INVISIBLE THE BRONTE SISTERS won't be a series but is a special 2-hour drama that will be broadcast next week. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/to-walk-invisible-the-bronte-sisters/

That's an interesting quote, Jonathan. I wonder if the program will include a perspective on the father.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 19, 2017, 06:59:50 PM
I think it was a one-off here Marcie, though I didn't see it.

First one of Vera tonight was brilliant!

Rosemary
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Post by: marcie on March 20, 2017, 05:02:41 PM
I am jealous, Rosemary! Well, I just checked my public library and they have all of the Vera seasons, including Season Six. I'm going to check which episodes I've missed, or at least don't sound familiar :-).
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Post by: marcie on March 26, 2017, 02:48:23 PM
Reminder: The 2-hour program,To Walk Invisible The Bronte Sisters, will be shown on most PBS stations this evening.
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Post by: Frybabe on March 26, 2017, 02:54:48 PM
Thanks, Marcie. I would have forgotten about it otherwise.
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Post by: Frybabe on March 27, 2017, 07:08:24 AM
To Walk Invisible was interesting. I had trouble understanding some of the speech, though. The accent wasn't a problem, but the fast, forced sounding speech was. Throughout the show Charlotte and Emily seemed to have to struggle to get out anything at all without sounding and looking like they were terrified of speaking or were holding back, not quite successfully, anger. Now I have an urge to read some of their works. The only one I ever read was Jane Eyre, and it left a powerful impression on me.

I barely recognized Johnathan Pryce. He also did a TV Movie last year, called Aberfan: The Green Hollow, commemorating the Aberfan school disaster of 1966. I'd like very much to see that if it ever is shown on this side of the pond. My Mom was from Merthyr Tydfil, just up the valley a mile or so. We did not lose family in the disaster, but friends of the family did. I remember how sad it was to travel, a few years later, past the site with all the white crosses on the green hillside across the narrow valley from the train.  The 50th anniversary of the disaster was on October 16, 2016.   
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Post by: Frybabe on March 27, 2017, 07:50:30 AM
For those who might want to read Charlotte Bronte's comments on their pseudonyms, Project Gutenberg has obliged. I expect that, in making the TV movie, this was one of the sources consulted.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/771

For those curious about Patrick Bronte's poems, Gutenberg is also forthcoming.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17081
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Post by: ginny on March 27, 2017, 04:10:25 PM
This is such a non sequitur I apologize, and you'll laugh at me with all these serious subjects going on,  but we had a spring break last week and I have been binge watching Father Brown, the new one on PBS. I had no idea there were 5  seasons of it, and I've got the first 4 because the 5th is only still in British format.

I absolutely love it.  I just finished the first year's shows (they have several disks in each season, I don't know how I missed any of them.  I did not know any of the cast, so the names Sorcha Cusack and Nancy Carroll (of Call the Midwife) and the others noted meant nothing to me, but they do now.

I don't see how they could have found a better Father Brown than Mark Williams, he's perfect, and I don't remember him either from Harry Potter or any of the other credits. So nice for once to see a program with a positive message for a change. But plenty of mystery, too. Wonderful locations. Great series.

But I do recognize the Bishop and so would anybody who ever watched Doc Martin, he's Clive! Mrs. Tichell's husband! He's a prickly Bishop unlike his clumsy Clive counterpart.

I've signed up for Vera on Netflix because I really liked the trailer I saw of it.

Speaking of Doc Martin it's now filming in Cornwall (Port Isaac) its 8th season of 9. Penhale is back!  If we all run  we can all see them in the process of filming hahahaa. The house next door to his is for sale in real life, here's the ad, and the price:


Ever fancied living next door to Doc Martin? Well now you can...

The three-bedroom home in Port Isaac, next door to where they film the ITV phenomenon starring Martin Clunes, is on the market and you could own it.

Built in the 17th century, the grade-two listed cottage is in a prime, slightly elevated, location on Roscarrock Hill with one of the best views looking out to the harbour, over the old village and out to sea.

This beautiful white-washed cottage oozes character and charm, retaining many of its original features and has been cherished by the same family for over 400 years.

Merging fiction with reality, the picturesque Port Isaac property is currently owned by a real life GP. Although he doesn't live in the home himself – he lets it out as a Cornish holiday cottage.

What a view...

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"I only lived there for one summer as a GP in 1974 but my grandmother lived there until she was 93," said Dr Hambly.

"Since the 16th century it's been home to doctors and coastguards and nearby there is a tunnel where people used to smuggle.

"It's one of the oldest houses in the village and it's in a wonderful spot.

The cute cottage is fittingly named The White House and it's on the market with John Bray & Partners for £795,000.

Read more at http://www.cornwalllive.com/house-next-door-to-doc-martin-is-for-sale-in-port-isaac-but-it-will-not-come-cheap/story-29734384-detail/story.html#By3wuz46g1Efr1dr.99

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Post by: rosemarykaye on March 27, 2017, 04:23:51 PM
Ginny - I LOVE Father Brown - it is my daughter's and my go-to programme when we want something comforting! I agree, Mark Williams is brilliant (he was excellent in H Potter too, and I'm not even a JK Rowling fan). There are endless repeats of FB episodes on our TV so we record them all and dip in when we want to.

Almost £800,000 for a house in Cornwall! In my childhood it was a remote and cheap place to live. Now it's the same old story - all the good property has been bought up by London bankers and locals can't afford it, villages are ghost towns most of the year and services are non-existent because there aren't enough all year residents to justify them. The same thing has happened in many of the more attractive coastal villages in East Lothian and the East Neuk of Fife. Property prices are an obsession in this country - I get the impression that is not so much the case in the US?

Rosemary
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Post by: ginny on March 27, 2017, 04:56:33 PM
Comforting! That's the word! Comforting it sure is.

Everything in the way of house prices in the UK seems inflated to me, but I am pretty sure people coming here might think the same. It depends on where you live, I think. Sometimes I watch those real estate shows and the one based in NYC is out of this world, the properties and the costs, but possibly, somebody correct me, San Francisco has the most exorbitant prices tho there are more billionaires in NYC than any other city in the US.  I am not sure.

 I once had the dream (and that's all it was) of having a house in the UK, because I have so enjoyed my trips there, just love those rental cottages the National Trust does,  but was instantly disabused of the very notion by looking in the real estate agent's windows. I thought I wasn't reading the signs correctly. hahahaa I was.

I love Port Isaac. We stayed there  a couple of weeks in Carnweather, which is part of  Doyden House right on  the coast. You know the little castle tower folly that Mrs. Tichell took the baby to in Doc Martin? It's on the property too, called Doyden Castle.

I guess  prosperity has hit the little town, they were incredibly nice people. It was like a....movie set, and so it is today. I hope they are reaping TONS of money.  We have such wonderful memories of it now but I haven't been back. The BEST homemade nougat I ever had and the best fish (despite Burt Large now) hahaha and the most AWFUL "1 mile walk" which had to be 8 miles  at least on the Coastal Trail was it? haahaha Nearly lost two of us. People would sign a journal and leave notes of good walks, etc., for the next people. It was charming it really was.
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Post by: Annie on March 27, 2017, 07:53:24 PM
Rosemary,  I was just discussing the cost of property in CA vs OH with a cousin.  She is conparing the two and maybe will move to OH next year.  CA is an expensive state to live in when it comes to owning your own place.  And in Ohio, you get more bang for your buck.

Ginny, I love and DVR all of Father Brown!  But I never noticed that the Bishop was also Clive on Doc Martin! Did you say that they are now filming Season 9? I thought they were doing 7! Do you mean that what I am watching (all repeats that I have already seen) is not the season I thought
it was?? That means I can go watch 1 or 2 seasons that I've never seen? Whoa!

Am I in the right discussion to talk about The Invisable Bronte Sisters?
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Post by: ginny on March 27, 2017, 10:24:21 PM
 Yes, you're in the right discussion. I just got it off course.  :).   They are now filming season eight, the newest season of Doc Martin, and they will have one more year in their current arrangement, to go, so there will be nine altogether, 7 of which are now on DVD.
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Post by: Frybabe on March 28, 2017, 06:34:22 AM
Hi Anne,

See my posts 60 and 61 for some interesting links regarding the Bronte sisters and their brother.

I tried Father Brown. It was just okay; I haven't been watching it for a year or so now. I also didn't care much for the one Grandchester I saw. Between the two, I liked Father Brown better.
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Post by: Annie on March 28, 2017, 09:38:10 PM
Oh, Frybabe, what a treasure Gutenberg offers us about the three sisters and how they thought and why they wrote! Thank you so much for those links🤓💕. I did peek in to read a small bit of Patrick's work and will return later to enjoy his poems.

As for the Sunday night program, I didn't know what to think. After Patrick dies, Charlotte thought back to how they treated Patrick's poetry the night he was sure he could join their little group of writers. How they handed back his work and told him to go. How sorry she was and just sat there
crying.
Was she wondering if they had treated Patrick more kindly during that time in their childhood, if he wouldn't have lived a better life and been a better person.
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Post by: Frybabe on March 29, 2017, 06:45:27 AM
I thought so too, Annie. Rejection by the principal females in his life seems to have played a part in his downfall.

For those of you who like Martin Freeman, I discovered that he is starring in a Crackle original TV series, called Start-Up, which takes place in Miami. As the name implies, it is about a guy trying to start a business. I plan on watching the first episode later on today. It is under their TV heading, British category. 
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Post by: ginny on March 31, 2017, 09:00:49 PM
For those of you who may have missed Wolf Hall, PBS is rerunning it starting this Sunday at 10:00 pm, at least on the NC  channels.

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Post by: Frybabe on April 01, 2017, 05:33:09 AM
Ginny, I have Wolf Hall on my Watchlist on Amazon Prime. I haven't started watching it yet. I'm trying to get some of the other programs I've had marked earlier out of the way.
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Post by: ginny on April 01, 2017, 09:50:13 AM
I think the reason that's big news (and I don't know where you watch Amazon Prime) is that on the big screen the quality of the program, the acting, the scenery, the experience,  is pretty amazing. I have it on DVD but I found that the comparison to a 10.5 screen on a portable DVD player and a 29" monitor,  and a large screen TV  really makes a difference. At least for me, but my eyesight is admittedly quite poor.

I've just bought the new Amazon Fire Stick which will allow me to watch any Amazon Prime stuff on the big screen, which I like for a movie (and the CBS new series with Christine Baransky, too) but it will not allow you to also  tape it on DVR, nor will Prime, so with PBS if you want to go back and look at the spectacular acting, you can, over and over. Of course you can do that on DVD, also. She must be nearing the end of her third book in the trilogy, which has been long awaited. I figure they know something I don't.

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Post by: Frybabe on April 01, 2017, 11:26:30 AM
I checked and found that they will be showing it on my PBS station also.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on April 02, 2017, 01:13:12 PM
Wolf Hall is a brilliant adaptation, but the sets are dark - I think they said that this was because interiors were dark in those days.

Mark Rylance and Claire Foy were the stars of the show for me, but there were so many other good performances - Damian Lewis, Mark Gatiss, Anton Lesser, all outstanding.

Enjoy!

Rosemary
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Post by: ginny on April 03, 2017, 11:45:02 AM
OH it is and it began last night with a new introduction I've never seen, magic. Yes on the dark, didn't they say that they filmed it in natural light, just as it would have seemed to the people at the time?

They are so BIG on the screen. I'm so used to tiny little figures. hahaha The guy who played Norfolk also is outstanding.  And of course Jonathan Pryce. They are ALL just wonderful.
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Post by: Frybabe on April 04, 2017, 09:33:47 PM
I didn't want to stay up so late to watch or wait a week for the next episode, so I started watching it on Amazon. Interesting the way they portrayed some of the people. I don't know what to make, exactly, of Cromwell. He sees all, says not much (no excess verbiage there), and always has such a sad, unhappy face. Thomas More comes off as being a bit sarcastic maybe? Nasty. I think I liked the portrayal of More a lot better in A Man for All Seasons. I wonder if the real man was somewhere in between.
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Post by: ginny on April 07, 2017, 12:32:37 PM
Oh good, you're watching it, too!

I am so disappointed that on this rerun they are cutting it off sharp at the hour, and some of the episodes are longer, so I'm missing stuff. It's  a good thing I can look at the DVD's,  or see it,  as you say, on Amazon. I must hook up that FIRE stick thing so I can see it full size (or bigger than a pea anyway).

Yes, the whole thing was supposedly about the difference in Cromwell, how  Rylance's portrayal (which is nothing short of wonderful) makes him seem so...what would you say?  Not the horrid monster one may previously have thought, tho there ARE hints. Mantel has  taken the liberty of making them fit, the viewer can excuse this or that, and Rylance I think could do anything. I THINK Mantel said that she herself was somewhat altered by the actor's portrayals, when she watched the film, which she liked.

 Revisionist history people shouted, but look at Bishop Gardiner and especially, as you say,  Thomas More.  I THINK, and it's been a while since this came out, but I think this More portrayal came from Mantel's research at Oxford (I thought,  but it could be Cambridge) as I've seen the name of the eminent scholar who had been consulted and  who was writing at the time the supposed definitive biography of More.  At the time I wrote down his name, but I can't find it now or his book, I've been checking on the recent biographies. Maybe I need to check on those written right after her book came out, the first one...was it 2012? Not sure.. and not the movie.

There is going to be another movie, but her 3rd book is not yet out. What on earth will it say? And how?

I can't get over the production values, I really can't, they are spectacular.

He was saintly in a Man for All Seasons, wasn't he?  Just wonderful, one cried.  He's not the same man  here, wait till you see the rest. Which one was he, or was he, as you say,  a little of both?

Norfolk in this fascinates me. The whole thing is fascinating.

It does make you wonder whether or not revisionist history is a good thing or a bad one. Should we keep the people we have set up on pedestals and/ or in this case as villains,  firmly on them, or not?

Do we need them, more than we need the truth?

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Post by: Frybabe on April 07, 2017, 04:41:46 PM
Were the originals more than an hour? The first season shows on Amazon are too. Well, the first one was an hour and one minute, the rest so far are 59 minutes. There are six episodes with the seventh being a talk about the show with the actors.

I rather suspect that More was actually in between a saint and a nasty dude. What surprised me is that they seemed to indicate that More and his wife were not very close. I got that mostly from a comment she made and when, given a last chance to sign the paper, More just shrugged at the suggestion he could go home to his wife and children should he sign. I can't believe that he would not have taken measures to make sure his family would be secure from vengeful factions should he be executed. That wasn't mentioned in the video.

So far, I get the impression that both Cromwell and More, in the show, are more or less swept along with the events and just trying in their own ways to make the best of circumstances. I really know so very little about either man, not to mention the greater court of Henry VIII other than a general knowledge of him and his eight wives (and I am sure I've forgotten half of what I knew when I was into English history).

BTW, I do love Rylance's "hangdog" look for Cromwell. Wosley, as I recall, was not kindly looked on by history either. Bishop Gardiner is someone whom I know nothing about. He is pretty much relegated in the show to making snide remarks and giving nasty looks toward Cromwell.
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Post by: ginny on April 07, 2017, 05:05:21 PM
 I don't know. I thought the first was one and a half hours but I am glad to hear yours are within the hour. I'll hope this next one does not get cut off like the first one did, Henry was in mid sentence.

:) Yes, I just read an interview with Mark Gatiss, who plays Gardiner, who said all he really did was show up when Cromwell was going somewhere and b***at him. hahahaa. I really like him, he's the creator and writer of the new Sherlock series (and plays Mycroft).

The Court thing is fascinating, especially considering Caesar was considered the first to have a "court" as we know it. You can see, just by observing,  how the feudal system developed and then how it declined and finally  ended, supposedly  with Henry VIII.
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Post by: Frybabe on April 08, 2017, 06:33:30 AM
Holbein the Younger's portrait of Cromwell:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cromwell#/media/File:Cromwell,Thomas(1EEssex)01.jpg

The slide show continues with several other portraits including Ann Boleyn. She was pretty.
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Post by: ginny on April 08, 2017, 01:26:47 PM
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See the 2017 MASTERPIECE schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)

Let's talk about PBS programs that we enjoy.

UPCOMING

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My Mother and Other Strangers (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/my-mother-and-other-strangers/)
June 18, 2017

Set in Northern Ireland during World War Two, My Mother and Other Strangers follows the fortunes of the Coyne family and their neighbors as they struggle to maintain a normal life after a huge United States Army Air Force (USAAF) airfield, with 4,000 service men and women, lands in the middle of their rural parish.

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  Grantchester, Season 3 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 18, 2017

James Norton (Happy Valley) stars as the handsome, jazz-loving vicar Sidney Chambers, with Robson Green as his law-enforcement ally, Inspector Geordie Keating, in Grantchester, a mystery series based on the acclaimed novels by James Runcie. When we last left the sleepy village, Sidney faced a moral dilemma: be with the woman he loves, or take the moral high road.

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  Prime Suspect: Tennison (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 25, 2017

MASTERPIECE dials back the clock to spotlight the influences that turned 22-year-old rookie policewoman Jane Tennison into the savvy, single-minded crime fighter beloved by Prime Suspect viewers. Starring Stefanie Martini (Doctor Thorne) in the iconic role immortalized by Helen Mirren, Prime Suspect: Tennison airs in three riveting 90-minute episodes.

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King Charles III (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/king-charles-iii/)
May 14, 2017

The hit Broadway show King Charles III, starring Tim Pigott-Smith, adapted for television, imagines Prince Charles’ ascension to the throne following Queen Elizabeth’s death.

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Dark Angel (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/dark-angel/)
May 21, 2017

Starring Downton Abbey‘s Joanne Froggatt, Dark Angel tells the story of Mary Ann Cotton: loving wife, mother, and serial murderer. Faced with abject poverty and an ailing husband, Mary Ann is ruthlessly determined to pursue a better life.

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Home Fires, Season 2 - Final Season (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/home-fires/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

The Final Season of Home Fires follows the women of an English rural village as they are separated from their husbands, fathers, sons and brothers during World War 1 and must forge alliances among their diverse community.

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Wolf Hall - Encore Presentation (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/wolf-hall/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

An encore presentation of Season 1 from 2015 of Wolf Hall. Adapted from Hilary Mantel’s best-selling Booker Prize-winning novels Wolf Hall and its sequel, Bring Up the Bodies, Wolf Hall follows the complex machinations and back room dealings of accomplished power broker Thomas Cromwell, who must serve king and country while dealing with deadly political intrigue, Henry VIII’s tempestuous relationship with Anne Boleyn, and the religious upheavals of the Protestant reformation.

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To Walk Invisible The Bronte Sisters (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/to-walk-invisible-the-bronte-sisters/)
March 26, 2017 (2 hours)

Written and directed by Sally Wainwright (Happy Valley, Last Tango in Halifax), To Walk Invisible depicts the evolution of secluded, dutiful clergyman’s daughters into authors of the most controversial fiction of the 1840s.


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Victoria (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/victoria-s1/), Season 1
January 15 - March 5, 2017

A diminutive, neglected teenager is crowned Queen Victoria, who navigates the scandal, corruption, and political intrigues of the Court, and soon rises to become the most powerful woman in the world.

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Sherlock (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/sherlock-s4/), Season 4
January 1 - 15, 2017

Sherlock (with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman) returns with three brand-new episodes that promise laughter, tears, shocks, surprises and extraordinary adventures.

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Post by: ginny on April 08, 2017, 01:29:46 PM
Not as pretty as Claire Foy. :) Nor the German Anne of Cleves, whom he thought was ugly. Look at those eyes of Cromwell, tho!

 I have to say tho that this morning thanks to Netflix, I was able to begin to watch the new  2017 season, the 5th year,  of Father Brown's series.  We can't get it here in the US on DVD, it only came out in  the UK a couple of months ago and hasn't been converted yet, but it's streaming on Netflix, and  there are 15!!! new episodes! Since the Latin classes are out this week, I'm binge watching.  The first is a Christmas one, and THAT one I am going to add to my  yearly viewing of Christmas Fare. Hokey? Maybe. Predictable? Maybe. Super fun? Definitely!

I did notice, however, in the last  scene when they raised a glass to "absent friends," that it was Sid and not "Monty" who was mentioned. I like Sid, a lot.  I don't think we've ever met "Monty," have we? Poor Felicia, he seems absent a LOT but no glass was raised to him.

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Post by: Frybabe on April 10, 2017, 09:26:31 PM
Just watched  an interesting video I ran across in my Amazon video, Holbein: Eye of the Tudors. It was obvious that the maker of the video was unhappy about the new version of history which is turning More into the bad guy and Cromwell into the good guy. Apparently Mantel is not the only one to express this revisionist version of history.

Okay, so I have a question. If Holbein was the one who painted the picture of Anne of Cleves which the King claimed deceived him as to Anne's beauty, then how is it that Cromwell got executed and not Holbein as well?
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Post by: ginny on April 11, 2017, 10:07:37 AM
Maybe that's why it has taken Mantel so long to write the 3rd book. :)

Wasn't Holbein famous for his likenesses? Henry liked the portraits Holbein did well enough of him and his children.

That's a good question. I don't know enough about British history to answer it.

 I have a feeling there's more to it than that, and that Norfolk and Gardiner had a hand in it, rivalry and jealousy,  and jockeying for position in the court...And then there was that  odd little thing in the first program where,  was  it Henry who asked  him about his feelings toward the clergy? And you can see Cromwell's stance.  He must have made a lot of enemies, especially in the dissolution of the monasteries.  I am interested, myself, in how he fell, but it was a serpent's nest he was dancing in, politically, anyway.

My thought on it is that Mantel is not as revisionist as she was trying to make the case that he wasn't the absolute monster he's been formerly portrayed as;  she's thrown in lots of unsympathetic things he did. There are always two sides. And so in the movie  they cast  Rylance with those sympathetic eyes, and he made the case pretty much.... for the movie, anyway. Holbein painted a different Cromwell, just LOOK at those piggy, mean little eyes, and if Holbein's as accurate as his fame insists, she MAY in fact BE doing revisionist history, it's a novel, after all.

Fascinating, isn't it?

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Post by: ginny on April 11, 2017, 10:12:15 AM
I have to ask, is that Wolsey's ring on Cromwell's finger in the portrait?? Is that why the movie made such a point of it?
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Post by: Frybabe on April 11, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
I hadn't noticed the ring in the portrait, Ginny.

I did notice that Rylance did a good job of getting his facial expression right. And I noticed that Holbein used a similar expression for several of his paintings, including his wife. They all seem to be there, but not there with that gaze. Kind of circumspect maybe, or like you might look if you were day dreaming or just not thinking about anything? I'd say sad, but that doesn't quite describe it. It struck me that Rylance's Cromwell, like the painting, didn't show any real (or intense) emotional expression, just that distant gaze no matter what was going on. Holbein's portrait of More is a bit different. There you can see an intensity in the forward leaning posture, in the eyes and to an extent, the facial expression, showing a keen interest in something not shown in the portrait.

Holbein didn't live more then a few years after Cromwell's execution. He died of the "sweating sickness" that took Cromwell's wife and girl's. I was wondering what it referred to and here is an answer. No one really knows, but many now think, thanks to the Four Corners outbreak in 1993, it was a form of hantavirus. http://theconversation.com/what-was-sweating-sickness-the-mysterious-tudor-plague-of-wolf-hall-37194
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Post by: ginny on April 13, 2017, 07:32:28 AM
Oh interesting, thank you! I wondered myself on the "sweating sickness," what a horror. That's why Henry VIII kept moving his court, to get away from whatever it was.  It's a miracle any of them ever lived between the plagues and this strange sickness:  imagine a broom causing such!!!  You can't win, can you? Try to keep a clean house and look what it gets you. :)

There's another portrait of Cromwell Holbein did and the eyes are different. He seems to have pretty much really hit at Cromwell in the one we know.  It interests me that the man playing More in this production looks more like the Erasmus painting of Holbein than he does the More one. That intense look you cite  can be taken  more than one way in the Holbein, too.

The Frick Collection which has supposedly the most accurate Holbein has another one of him by Jacobus Houbraken(1698−1780) and he looks a little different in the eyes area. He's almost normal looking here:

http://collections.frick.org/media/view/Objects/1020/511?t:state:flow=8143ea50-a31c-4bba-b574-bd04c55d9a41

Obviously not done from life. And this roundel from  Wikipedia is interesting, so all together there are more portraits of him without those awful eyes than with them, but that, perhaps, is what Holbein saw.

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Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: Frybabe on April 13, 2017, 08:42:42 AM
The broom, yes. Hantavirus is a nasty thing that can be airborne spread. That is why, if you check on how to clean up mouse infested areas, you see recommendations to first wet down the area with bleach or the like, allow it to set a little bit and than wipe the stuff up, oh, and wear a dust mask. The premise is that wetting the area down will keep a lot from becoming airborne and the bleach may kill the virus.
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on May 11, 2017, 04:13:55 PM
Well I've watched all of Wolf Hall again and the performances on the big screen never seem to amaze.

Next up is King Charles III, I can't wait to see it, I think it starts this Sunday night, am not sure how many episodes if any, but Tim Piggot Smith who just died stars in it, he of the Jewel in the Crown, and I am really looking forward to it, tho it appears it's causing some controversy in the UK. Diana is a ghost, for starters.

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Post by: Annie on May 14, 2017, 09:01:07 AM
I know nothing about King CharlesIII but the ads for it look enticing. So are you DVRing it while traveling?  We are so spoiled by all our gadgets. I think you can find it on Netflix to see it's a series.
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Post by: ginny on May 14, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
It's on now. It's different.

 Yes I'm taping it on the DVR.
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Post by: Annie on May 14, 2017, 11:11:55 PM
Is there anyone watching besides Ginny and me?  Is this what the English hope will happen?  After Elizabeth dies?
And there's Merrick from The Jewel In The Crown!!! Playing King Charles III!  Different, that's for sure.  But the acting was good! Did you think you were watching a Shakespeare play?

I wonder if Barbara is watching? Our poet!!🤓🤓
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Post by: CallieinOK on May 14, 2017, 11:35:49 PM
Annie and Ginnie,   I watched Charles III and also the program "documentary" that followed.   
I hadn't read the info about it in my PBS Newsletter so didn't realize it was a play before it was a film.   I did think the dialogue sounded "Shakespearian" (is that a word?) and was glad to hear that the writer had planned it that way.
Apparently the cast of the film was also the cast of the play so it was interesting to hear their comments on being in both - as well as their comments on the characters they played.

I can see why it might cause controversy in the UK - "young upstarts" taking a hit at the aging future king in favor of someone from "their" generation.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on May 15, 2017, 02:52:57 AM
I haven't seen it and I don't think it's made much of an impact here, but I suppose no-one I know is that interested in the royal family.

The sad thing about it is that Tim Piggott Smith, whom I have admired ever since he played Merrick in The Jewel in the Crown, died suddenly and before the screening. Another fine actor gone. I still think of him in his creepy, repressed role as a cruel army officer in the dying days of the Raj. He was the lower middle class upstart, the one who wanted - but would never have - the easy confidence of the public school boys. The Jewel is one of those series that gives more every time you watch it - as a teenager I took it at face value, now I see more and more in its themes of power, oppression, bigotry and madness.

We're still working our way through the box set of Mad Men - another masterpiece that rewards on so many levels.

Rosemary
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Post by: Annie on May 15, 2017, 09:26:27 AM
Callie, wasn't that documentary fascinating? I wish I had DVRed the whole program.  Hope they reshow it so I can.  Does anyone know if anyone, other than Netflix,who aren't, is showing The Jewel in Crown? I would love to watch that again.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on May 15, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
It's rarely (if ever) shown on TV here Annie - it was a TV series rather than a film and they don't seem to repeat those old ones. I have the DVD. I have just had a look at US Amazon and it is available but much more expensive than it is here. May be worth it though!

Rosemary
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Post by: CallieinOK on May 15, 2017, 04:16:00 PM
Rosemary, one of the credits at the end of "King Charles III' was an announcement "In Memory of Tim Piggot Smith ??? (didn't catch birth year) - 2017.
Was the stage production presented in the UK?  If so, what kind of a "run" did it have?

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Post by: ginny on May 15, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
 Ann, the BBC Shop online, (shopbbc.com) has the Jewel in the Crown,  the 14 episodes remastered version, on DVD, $35.00, and the introductions by Alistair Cooke. 12 1/2 hours. Amazon has the 25th year edition for the same price, I didn't read further about the extras or the remastered stuff. :)
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Post by: Annie on May 17, 2017, 10:35:26 AM
Thanks everybody who looked it up!
I think I will order it later this summer after I check with the sites who have it as to how long it will take it to get here.  You know PBS shows every once in a awhile.  I remember the when it was shown in GB for the first time it was said that the crime rate went down and no one was out on the streets when it was on.  They were all so entranced with story.
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Post by: rosemarykaye on May 17, 2017, 03:53:08 PM
Annie, I was just speaking about that with a friend the other day - how we all used to be so transfixed by some of the excellent series made at that time. There was of course no catch-up TV, and you could not buy the DVD, so you all watched it at the same time and discussed it the next day. Other series in the same vein were The Forsythe Saga, The Onedin Line, A Dance to the Music of Time, Poldark (original version with Angharad Rees) and Brideshead Revisited.

I was idly watching the slightly ridiculous Rosemary and Thyme last night (it's repeated endlessly on our digital channels) and who should pop up as a rather camp teacher in a boys' boarding school but Anthony Andrews - the very same Anthony Andrews who so brilliantly played Sebastian in Brideshead. He looked almost the same after all these years, and seemed to be acting more or less the same part! I was of course madly in love with him at the time, despite Sebastian being a less than salubrious character, and I have to say he is still quite attractive.

Rosemary
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Post by: Annie on May 18, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
You know I have a copy of Brideshead on vcr tape.  I might watch it again to see if Sebastian was really so good looking!  And he  is on Rosemary and Thyme!!     I think I will just google this mess!      Hahaha! 
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Post by: marcie on June 10, 2017, 11:17:19 AM
Masterpiece has three series beginning this month! See the heading above for more information about MY MOTHER AND OTHER STRANGERS, GRANTCHESTER, SEASON 3 and PRIME SUSPECT: TENNISON.
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Post by: ginny on June 14, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Fans of the Great British Bake Off Alert!

The newest one (and the last one featuring Mary, Mel, Sue, and Paul)   will premiere this Friday June 16 on your local PBS station!

Don't miss it!

"Season 4 premieres Friday, June 16th

Follow the trials and tribulations of passionate amateur bakers whose goal is to be named the U.K.’s best. Each week, the bakers tackle a different skill, the difficulty of which increases as the competition unfolds. Mary Berry, a leading cookbook writer, and Paul Hollywood, a top artisan baker, serve as judges. Together with hosts and comic foils Sue Perkins and Mel Giedroyc, Berry and Hollywood search for the country’s best amateur baker by testing the competitors’ skills on cakes, breads, pastries and desserts, crowning a winner after 10 weeks of competition."
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on June 16, 2017, 05:21:40 PM
we also had a series with just Mary and Paul baking themselves with no contestants - quite nice - the friendship between the two was observable - wasn't there a third judge in the originals? if so who was it? 
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Post by: rosemarykaye on June 17, 2017, 04:48:49 AM
Would be interesting to see them baking themselves Barb  :D What would Mary be? A Victoria Sandwich, I think...
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Post by: ginny on June 17, 2017, 07:43:44 AM
Those Master Classes, Barb? I taped them all, those were really nice,  but the Hopper 3, a new device that recorded them,  lost them all, just deleted them, nobody seems to know why at DISH,  while I was in Europe. Shame. Perhaps I could buy them and have them to keep that way. It seems to be happening to a lot of people but they are not talking about it, my brother in law had the same thing  happen in another state.

It was just Paul and Mary as judges but Sue and Mel were the sort of entertainers and MC's. And they'd sit at the judging table and ask questions of the judges. It was a good show.

:) Rosemary. I didn't know what a "sponge" was until I went to England the first time. I just saw a photo of Mary and the Queen at the Chelsea Flower Show when I was there. 

Terrible terrible  fire in that high rise in London. I can't understand how it got on ALL the floors like that so quickly. What a horror.
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on June 17, 2017, 02:20:05 PM
 :D  :D and Paul could be a humpty dumpty made of sponge cake encasing a boiled egg -
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: rosemarykaye on July 14, 2017, 01:54:15 PM
Hi (belatedly) Ginny - yes, the Grenfell Tower fire was a terrible, terrible thing. As we now know it spread so fast owing to the insulation and cladding on the building, neither of which were fit for purpose, both of which had been used to save money (this is social housing). The people who lived in the tower were very poor, many were immigrants, but the block is in the middle of the London Borough of Kensington, one of the richest parts of London and indeed of the entire UK. Billionaires live (or rather own huge investment properties, often left empty) just a few roads away. This should never have happened. It is a clear indictment of the way British society seems to be going - the poor becoming ever poorer, the rich becoming obscenly wealthy.

By contrast, last weekend I went to see a wonderful film Summer in the Forest, about Jean Vanier and the L'Arche Communities. Vanier (a French Canadian former navy officer) started the first one in northern France in the 1960s, when he realised how badly special needs people were being treated - usually locked up in asylums. There are now about 150 communities worldwide - wonderful places, though he is keen to emphasise that they are not utopias but just places where people can lead a 'normal' life. Some of the residents are profoundly disabled, others not so much. Some have suffered brain damage, for others it is not a physical thing, but the result of terrible experiences. No one is financially rich, no one is financially poor. What a contrast to what so-called normal society seems to have become.



Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on July 24, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
 Rosemarykaye,  I did not know this: The people who lived in the tower were very poor, many were immigrants, but the block is in the middle of the London Borough of Kensington, one of the richest parts of London and indeed of the entire UK.

I did wonder how they managed to evacuate quite a few buildings of the same cladding in the surrounding neighborhoods as a precautionary measure,  and it never occurred to me it was low rent housing!! I kept thinking boy I am glad I don't live in a high rise in the area, how can they force people out,  and rethinking my stay in the next hotel on a high floor.  Just a horror.

Somebody told me oh you're OK if there is a sprinkler system, just ask first, and I'm thinking no amount of sprinklers would  have stopped that but I may be wrong.

(I thought of you, believe it or not, when I returned to London for the second time this summer and had to go thru Victoria. I remembered what you said, and  I did avoid the STEPS, because of some kind of tendon or ligament issue I've had  in one leg)... (that's my excuse for taking a cab there) hahaha  It was worth it, too.

Have you been able to see the new Father Brown? I understand it started in January in the UK? How do you like it? How does it compare to the others? Are either of the two missing characters back at all?

We're getting  the "new" season here now, they are calling it "7," the first full  one which does not have Lady Felicia or Sid in any of them tho Sid has returned once from prison,  and left again, I understand he's to be on Broadway this fall. You can't help but wish them well,  but they really are missed.  (I did try some of Father Brown's lemon drops and humbugs and all I can say is they must be an acquired taste. But my grandson had his first millionaire's bar or shortbread  whatever they are called and is a fan for life.)  :) 

Summer in the  Forest sounds wonderful, I will look for it.





Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: rosemarykaye on July 30, 2017, 08:28:51 AM
Ginny, the sprinkler systems in Grenfell Tower were either not installed or not working, ditto the alarms. Social housing in this country - and especially in the tower blocks - is  allowed to rot these days, with very little maintenance, no wardens, no caretakers. Lifts rarely work, people are afraid of being mugged in the stairwells (which are usually in a revolting state). Having said that, it seems from what residents have said that there was a real community in Grenfell, and that people looked out for one another. It was the council - starved of cash by central government - that failed to look after these people, but really I feel that this translates as a failure of society. None of us knew how bad it was, but we should have known. This should not be allowed to happen in a 21st century so-called civilised country (or indeed anywhere).

But I am so glad you had a good time in London :) Millionaire's shortbread! I remember making that as a child - my mother being horrified at the cost of the ingredients. Now I am more horrified at the amount of fat and sugar in it, but I agree it is delicious.

I have not seen the new Father Brown. The new series are usually only shown on the Sky channels (that you have to pay extra for, and which my husband refuses to have on the basis that he's not giving a single penny to Rupert Murdoch...) so we just wait till they turn up on Freeview. But I've seen some of the episodes without Sid and Lady Felicia and I agree, it's not the same without them. I think the actor who plays Sid has become very much in demand for other things - did you see him in Dr Thorne?

What we are getting at the moment is the new series of Top of the Lake: China Girl. I was away for the first episode and the daughter forgot to record it, but luckily it is on i-player so we can catch up. It has already had a great review in The Guardian. We're also enjoying the new series of The Windsors (spoof) and Poldark. And about 7 episodes left on our Mad Men marathon - got to get to the end before Madeleine departs for university in September!
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Post by: BarbStAubrey on July 30, 2017, 02:09:39 PM
Glad to see your post rosemary - and thanks for the info on Grenfell Tower - the financial support of society has been cut back so much and with fewer jobs there are aspects of life that remind me of reading a novel by Dickens.

As to the new Father Brown - saw it last Sunday and then there was the usual replay Saturday night - awful - just awful - could not even watch the replay - awful writing - awful directing - awful acting - the only actors in the lot that pulled off a performance was Mark Williams as Father Brown and Sorcha Cusack as Mrs Bridgette McCarthy - Inspector Mallory was more disjointed than usual, Bunty, who can act was not up to her usual performance and the others were as if a bunch of stills could be extracted that represented their best. I was really disappointed.

Looks like the end of Grantchester tonight - will he or won't he - Mrs Maguire's story is wrapped up with a satisfying ending and Al Weaver, as Leonard Finch has really shown himself to be a fine actor.

Some of the scenes in this second season for The Tunnel were difficult to watch last night but I do enjoy the series far more than I did Hinterland that had another sort of darkness with troubled people.

As to A Place To Call Home - oh my... the issues of class and now we even have Jack, the Doc awakening to his homosexuality - the characters Sarah and the matriarch Elizabeth and the crucified homosexual son James really hold that show aloft as a benchmark of acting that everyone ponies up and gives it their best. The filming is so spot on it too elevates the story.

Cannot make the switch yet from Kris Marshall playing DI Humphrey to Ardal O'Hanlon taking over the lead in Death in Paradise - Kris brought a lightness with his easy absent-minded way where as, all I can think of is at any moment Ardal will fly off in his cape as George Sunday - He plays the part too heavy trying to be frivolous with all these cutesy bits of playing with props and so he comes across disjointed rather than bumbling.   

All I can say is thank God for the Brit Coms - the usual TV is beyond anything I can even watch - if I want to watch a movie I can go to Amazon and make a choice, the rest is all garbage with the news taking over all the air time - tired of the whole mess - so for three consecutive nights it is Brit Coms plus the Baking show - and that is it - for the remaining days of the week the TV is off.

Even Charlie Rose is no longer a regular on his own show. The one younger guy does a good job but just does not have the depth that Charlie Rose exhibited 20 years ago during the early days of his show. It appears the wheel is turning yet again - the glories of aging - every other decade is a huge change from the past.
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Post by: mabel1015j on July 30, 2017, 02:10:10 PM
Ginny - check with your library for the master class series you lost - or for any tv series.

Jean
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Post by: ginny on August 02, 2017, 11:47:11 AM
Oh good idea, Jean, I will!

Barbara, which episode was that?  My DVR got two this week, The Tanganika Green, and the Sins of the Father.

I know there's a LOT of comment about hating the new series, specifically the first one in the series (they can't be talking about the Christmas Program). We can't purchase Season 5 here in DVD yet in the correct "Region," so we can see it on our own players, but we are getting it on PBS.

 Tanganika Green is "Episode 70" and Sins of the Father is "Season 4 Episode 9."

I hate that Lady  Felicia and Sid are gone, temporarily I hope, tho they both as Rosemarykaye says have booming careers, so it's a real burden for the writers, because the vibe was lost. And I can see not replacing those characters, either, because the originals may come back someday. In a way it's like a real parish, people come, and go.

Jeepers, the story just gets worse and worse, thank you Rosemary, I had no idea about the residential towers and their conditions. We don't get any of those programs like Top of the Lake: China Girl here, and I appreciate hearing about them so I can keep a watchful eye.

And of course I know you've all seen that Mary Berry is going to judge another cooking show, not about baking but the full meal. .  Can't wait for any of her series promised, including the ones in the great houses, they will all be good.

This is so funny, Rosemary: (that you have to pay extra for, and which my husband refuses to have on the basis that he's not giving a single penny to Rupert Murdoch...) My husband feels the same way about ONE of the PBS stations here which refused to air a tell all documentary about the plight of the mill workers which the others showed.

How is the "new" Paul Hollywood Great British Bake Off, Rosemary? On Channel 4? And do you understand the big uproar about Channel 4 about to play  the "Diana tapes?"  Apparently they were not seen in the UK but were broadcast elsewhere? I don't recall seeing them. I'm not sure why Paul Burrell had them (to protect her? Then why not burn them?) or how bad they can be.



Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: rosemarykaye on August 02, 2017, 12:32:11 PM
Hi Ginny and Barb!

Ginny I have no idea about these 'Diana tapes' or why Paul Burrell should have them. I am not that interested in the royals, thoough I have to say that William and Harry seem to be turning out better than their forefathers! I imagine that Burrell has kept them (whatever they are) as some kind of insurance for his retirement. I know very little about him, but he does seem a bit smooth.

I haven't seen the new Paul Hollywood Bake Off either - I didn't even know it was on yet. We watched the first episode of Top of the Lake: China Girl last night and it was brilliant. They have in fact put all 6 episodes onto i-player straight away, even though they are only up to the second one (tomorrow night) on 'real' TV, but we decided not to watch them, as we'd rather follow the series as it progresses. Elisabeth Moss is such a good actor! And new to this series is Gwendoline Christie, wonderful as Moss's new sidekick. I'd never seen her before but my daughter knows her from Game of Thrones. I read that this series will be shown in the US on a channel called 'Sundance TV'? Just to warn you, its subject matter is not for the faint-hearted!

We finally finished the whole of Mad Men. I feel bereft! But what a fantastic series - I don't think the writers or the actors put a foot wrong.  And such an ambiguous ending - I'm still thinking about it.

Rosemary
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 02, 2017, 03:18:03 PM
It was The Fire In The Sky that was so awful - this week not as bad with Flambeau, The Penitent Man but now they have Mrs. McCarthy acting as a sleuth with Bunty - I can see Bunty but Mrs. McCarthy!!??!!
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on August 03, 2017, 11:09:29 AM
Oh well you're either way ahead of us, because neither of those have appeared on our schedules, or else you're  way behind (because DISH lost all my programmed DVR tapes while I was on vacation, so it may have been among them), I hope not, because that's two more I have not seen!  Love Flambeau, isn't he a hoot?

I guess they have to expand Mrs. McCarthy's role to try to fill the missing two characters. I really like Sorcha Cusak, or however it's spelled. She's younger than I am! That was a shock!

The one I just saw had Mrs. McCarthy  and  Bunty sleuthing about in a great house.  The Bunty character is beginning to wear thin a bit, I think, hopefully they will change direction with it, and possibly put her in clothes that are not glued to her skin.   I don't know how she walks, or sits, and I've been reading  a lot of negative comments on the somewhat overdone Inspector character in the new episodes. Apparently the actor is a fine one and people resent the  buffoonish presentation.

In the older episodes I loved Father Brown's sense of humor. I love seeing him enjoying himself at the absolute worst shows and jokes and presentations, he comes across as humble and sweet. I don't know how the actor does it, I really don't, but it shows a lovely side  of the character's personality.

Rosemary, I must be the only person in the universe who has not seen Mad Men, is it worth it? Sometimes I wonder what I missed.  I had not seen The Good Wife, either, but I saw the first episode of The Good Fight (the spin off on CBS which you have to pay to see with Christine Baransky) and was blown away by her performance.  That first episode was electric.  I keep hoping that CBS will relent on the having to pay part because it seems silly to pay for that one program and it streaming on top of it, (and I don't like any of the other programs offered) but they haven't. It's not much money, it's the principle of the thing.

It  may actually BE that the Hollywood version of the Bake Off has not even appeared.  I wonder if we'll see it here.

Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: CallieinOK on August 03, 2017, 04:50:27 PM
I wondered what had happened to episodes of The Good Fight.   Is this a CBS station for which you have to pay?

My Netflix only has seasons 1-5 of Father Brown.  I'm working my way through #5 now.  Last one I watched was "The Chedwick (?) Cyclone" and I was surprised to see Father B. so interested in boxing.  Somehow, that didn't fit with his temperament.
 Bunty and Mrs. McCarthy are still there.  When does that change?
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on August 06, 2017, 09:19:53 AM
Barbara, we've caught up to you, I see both of those now on the DVR.  I personally disliked the Lucia one very much, so far.

Callie:

I wondered what had happened to episodes of The Good Fight.   Is this a CBS station for which you have to pay?

Apparently yes. The first episode was "free" on CBS but the rest require a subscription to CBS's...new money making venture in streaming called CBS All Access: this is from their site: 8,500 shows  to watch on any device: http://www.cbs.com For CBS All Access annual plans, the pricing is as follows:

    Limited Commercials Annual Plan: $59.99/annually with a 1 Week Free Trial*
    Commercial Free Annual Plan: $99.99/year with a 2-Day Free Trial*


I would love to see the rest of the Good Fight,  but I am not interested in the other programming. one of which is Candy Crush, a new show which was showing in previews the other week, absolutely unbelievable...you have to see it to believe it. Pairs of people endure being strung up on swinging apparatus trying to play physically the game Candy Crush on a giant upright electronic board.  Unbelievably awful.

My Netflix only has seasons 1-5 of Father Brown.  I'm working my way through #5 now.  Last one I watched was "The Chedwick (?) Cyclone" and I was surprised to see Father B. so interested in boxing.  Somehow, that didn't fit with his temperament.
 Bunty and Mrs. McCarthy are still there.  When does that change?


I always get the British show numbering wrong. Season 5 is the latest and aired in 2017.


The actor who played Sid has been in the British West End  production of The Cursed Child which is   coming to Broadway, so as long as that runs, which could be forever, I guess he'll be doing that.  Maybe he can do some occasional returns.



The actress who played Lady Felicia apparently is also  very busy. This is a listing of what she's dong in 2017:

Appearing in: Film:

THE GATHERING STORM

AN IDEAL HUSBAND

TV:

Will (TV Series)
Ellen Burbage
- Brave New World (2017) ... Ellen Burbage
- The Two Gentlemen (2017) ... Ellen Burbage
- Cowards Die Many Times (2017) ... Ellen Burbage
- The Play's the Thing (2017) ... Ellen Burbage

 2017 Prime Suspect 1973 (TV Mini-Series)
Mary Collins
- Episode #1.4 (2017) ... Mary Collins
- Episode #1.3 (2017) ... Mary Collins
- Episode #1.2 (2017) ... Mary Collins
- Episode #1.1 (2017) ... Mary Collins

Both appear blessed with a lot of work. Lovely for them, sad for us. 

The Father Brown writers have a big task ahead of them. The early series is hard to beat.



Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: CallieinOK on August 06, 2017, 03:19:18 PM
Thanks, Ginny.   I'll pass on paying CBS for the "privilege" of watching their selected shows.

Thanks also for the info on the number of Father Brown series.  The Season 5 episodes seem to be getting away from the gentler stories.

I enjoy seeing actors from the various long-time BBC series pop up on other things, particularly when they play a totally different type of role.  Signs of a good actor, IMO.
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on August 10, 2017, 11:22:48 AM
Me, too, Callie. The Father Brown series has taken on a more...modern edge. I have not read the original Chesterton books tho I have them on the ipad, perhaps I'll try one and see which film creation is more accurate. But it really isn't about accuracy as the film versions have a life of their own, and that life appears to be changing as you've said. Maybe the idea is to show Father Brown tackling not the world of the '50's but of 2017, what we're more "used to."

In the meantime we can always go back to the beginning and watch the old ones again, they're worth it.  I just found out there are more episodes in those which were shown in the UK, so I'm going to hope PBS shows more of them than on the DVD's.

Rosemary, this is an explosive question and you really need not answer, but you have said several times that you don't follow the Royal Family particularly and I guess my question is I'm wondering why?  The Queen seems to be exemplary, but is it the antics of the rest of them you are not interested in?

I ask for two reasons: first, that The Crown is coming back for a 2nd year in November!!  Minus John Lithgow as Churchill, unfortunately, but this will be the last season with our present cast, and I can't wait to see it, the acting is out of this world. So that has piqued my interest in the Royal Family, or some of them.

And also because I'm reading the new  Smith biography of Prince Charles. It's gigantic and I'm half way through and...I'm not sure what to say? How can we know any of our public figures? Why do we insist on putting them  pedestals? I don't think any of our own public figures are who we think/ hope/ project  they are. I never was interested in "Camelot," or the Kennedys,  who were not as they were portrayed, or any of the other presidents and their families, as far as following them personally.  I'm beginning to wonder what is  wrong with me.

We live in such a Revisionist Age.  Many of our former Founding Fathers and heroes  are often shown now to have been  half legend and half nothing like what we thought.  I'm also reading a mammoth, 1000 page biography of MacArthur, my gosh his real life defies description. It's like some sort of ancient epic,  and yet, all I knew of him was the "old soldiers never die," the Truman firing, and  the takes and retakes of his landing  over and over on the beach.

 The Smith biography of Charles  presents a different side of him, positive things  he's actually accomplished, which are considerable. I had no idea. And the little negative things are sort of presented after an avalanche of astonishing works, as tiny little after thoughts, as if they don't matter. . But they linger in the mind. I gues they are more salacious and easy to remember for the normal reader than some of the projects and things he's tried to do.

 So now he's more of an  enigma, than ever, to me.  He's... He's plunged himself into really worthy causes, unlike a lot of his predecessors,  he's done a great deal which I knew absolutely nothing about, in areas which seem particularly worthy, quite a few of which  ideas which I agree with, actually...but... then there's the other side. Sad. Things I really didn't need or want to know. I can't seem to  put a finger on it. He seems contemplative and concerned, BUT... for some reason like that Peanuts character, he always seems to have a little cloud over his head. Despite everything he's done, started, and accomplished, his press remains awful. What is it he lacks in dealing with people?

I think perhaps one issue has been that  all these years he's been trying to manage  his own press by honestly  pouring out his feelings, doubts, insecurities, etc., in public and on paper, whinging, really, and maybe he has needed a better PR manager. Because it doesn't seem to be working. Maybe  the last half of the gigantic Smith book will do that for him.  He's at an age when people look back to their own legacy and want control of their lives. I wonder how history will see him.
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: mabel1015j on August 10, 2017, 11:54:08 AM
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See the 2017 MASTERPIECE schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html)

Let's talk about PBS programs that we enjoy.

UPCOMING

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My Mother and Other Strangers (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/my-mother-and-other-strangers/)
June 18, 2017

Set in Northern Ireland during World War Two, My Mother and Other Strangers follows the fortunes of the Coyne family and their neighbors as they struggle to maintain a normal life after a huge United States Army Air Force (USAAF) airfield, with 4,000 service men and women, lands in the middle of their rural parish.

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  Grantchester, Season 3 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 18, 2017

James Norton (Happy Valley) stars as the handsome, jazz-loving vicar Sidney Chambers, with Robson Green as his law-enforcement ally, Inspector Geordie Keating, in Grantchester, a mystery series based on the acclaimed novels by James Runcie. When we last left the sleepy village, Sidney faced a moral dilemma: be with the woman he loves, or take the moral high road.

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  Prime Suspect: Tennison (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/grantchester/)
June 25, 2017

MASTERPIECE dials back the clock to spotlight the influences that turned 22-year-old rookie policewoman Jane Tennison into the savvy, single-minded crime fighter beloved by Prime Suspect viewers. Starring Stefanie Martini (Doctor Thorne) in the iconic role immortalized by Helen Mirren, Prime Suspect: Tennison airs in three riveting 90-minute episodes.

ALREADY DISCUSSED
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King Charles III (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/king-charles-iii/)
May 14, 2017

The hit Broadway show King Charles III, starring Tim Pigott-Smith, adapted for television, imagines Prince Charles’ ascension to the throne following Queen Elizabeth’s death.

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Dark Angel (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/dark-angel/)
May 21, 2017

Starring Downton Abbey‘s Joanne Froggatt, Dark Angel tells the story of Mary Ann Cotton: loving wife, mother, and serial murderer. Faced with abject poverty and an ailing husband, Mary Ann is ruthlessly determined to pursue a better life.

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Home Fires, Season 2 - Final Season (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/home-fires/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

The Final Season of Home Fires follows the women of an English rural village as they are separated from their husbands, fathers, sons and brothers during World War 1 and must forge alliances among their diverse community.

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Wolf Hall - Encore Presentation (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/shows/wolf-hall/)
April 2 - May 7, 2017

An encore presentation of Season 1 from 2015 of Wolf Hall. Adapted from Hilary Mantel’s best-selling Booker Prize-winning novels Wolf Hall and its sequel, Bring Up the Bodies, Wolf Hall follows the complex machinations and back room dealings of accomplished power broker Thomas Cromwell, who must serve king and country while dealing with deadly political intrigue, Henry VIII’s tempestuous relationship with Anne Boleyn, and the religious upheavals of the Protestant reformation.

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To Walk Invisible The Bronte Sisters (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/episodes/to-walk-invisible-the-bronte-sisters/)
March 26, 2017 (2 hours)

Written and directed by Sally Wainwright (Happy Valley, Last Tango in Halifax), To Walk Invisible depicts the evolution of secluded, dutiful clergyman’s daughters into authors of the most controversial fiction of the 1840s.


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Victoria (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/victoria-s1/), Season 1
January 15 - March 5, 2017

A diminutive, neglected teenager is crowned Queen Victoria, who navigates the scandal, corruption, and political intrigues of the Court, and soon rises to become the most powerful woman in the world.

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Sherlock (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/series/sherlock-s4/), Season 4
January 1 - 15, 2017


Our NJTV public station is showing the Father Brown season starting from season 1, maybe they will be coming to a public tv station near you....... ;)
Jean
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: FlaJean on August 10, 2017, 12:25:38 PM
The Father Brown series is on Netflix also.
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on August 10, 2017, 02:08:59 PM
Oh good, Jean (Mabel)  and  Jean (FlaJean) haha Thank you!

Jean (Mabel) maybe if your PBS station is starting over, ours will, too, right now they are at the end of Season 5, but I lost all my previous recordings when we were overseas, thank you DISH.

And Jean, (FlaJean) thank you also, I  have DVD's of 1-4 already (5 will not be out till later for us in the US) and I can check them against what Netflix has.

I was shocked to see, in looking at a site which had the titles of each episode, how many we in the US (at least so far) are lacking, even if we've bought the DVD's, and I'd like to see them, too.
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: CallieinOK on August 10, 2017, 05:53:55 PM
I'm watching "Father Brown" on Netflix.  All 5 seasons are available.
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: rosemarykaye on August 11, 2017, 01:16:03 PM
Hi Ginny, and sorry for the late reply - I wasn't avoiding answering your questions, I'm just so tied up with the festivals at the moment; I fight my way through the Old Town, see shows or visit exhibitions that range fro the 5* to the total rubbish, then fight my way back onto a crowded, damp and humid bus (if I'm lucky! ended up walking home yesterday) and as soon as I get in it's reviewing time.  I really don't know how people like Broadway Baby do it (though I've met the woman behind that and she is truly terrifying).

Yesterday I went to a very interesting panel discussion organised by the Network of Independent Critics - one of the speakers was none other than Lyn Gardner, longtime theatre critic of The Guardian. She was nothing like I had expected - very down to earth and self-deprecating, but also full of ideas and knowledge. She said - 'why do we do it?' Because we are filled with enthusiasm for something and we want to share it' - I found this so true. I hate giving anyone a bad review, so if (as happened this afternoon) I see a terrible production I tend not to review it at all. I know that's a cop-out, but I always feel - and especially with the Fringe - that these poor people have worked so hard, and often spent so much money to get here and stay here, that it would be mean to lay into them.

The awful thing about the panel session was that only about ten of us turned up. What a colossal waste - as well as Lyn Gardner, there was the former theatre critic, now turned director, of The Times, a lady who works in circus and holds several academic posts in performance arts, an actress who has become a critic, and a critic who has written a book about how to review theatre.  I don't review much theatre, I prefer books and art, but it was all still so interesting. This was a FREE session put on by the Fringe itself, but they are such a shambles that they never advertise things properly. If the same session had been run at the Book Festival (which opens tomorrow) they would have charged £12 per ticket and it would have been sold out.  There is a second session next week - I hope they market that a bit better.

Anyway - you asked about Mad Men. Both Madeleine and I thought it was absolutely fantastic - great story, with lots of little subplots, but more  importantly so much about social and political history of the US, about sexism, homophobia, racism, the Kennedy years, religion, women's gradual rise in the workplace. It is so nuanced and clever, and the acting is just outstanding. Elisabeth Moss and Christina Hendricks are fabulous, but so is just about everyone, there are no duds in the entire series. I do recommend it.

As for the Royals, I will probably be shot down in flames for this, as I know Americans are said to love them, but to me (and to my family, including my 90 year old mother) they are a bunch of over-priviliged, overpaid freeloaders. They cost the country a fortune, they contribuute very little, they don't even pay tax. There! Now I will go and hide in the basement (or would if I had one...)

There has just been a controversial programme on TV here about Diana, with a lot of video footage taken by a voice coach she employed to improve her public speaking after she was divorced. She seems to have been exceedingly frank with this man and told him all sorts of very intimate things about her marriage. She attracts a great deal of sympathy in the UK, but by then she was an expert in playing the media, she knew exactly how to work the victim image. It is of course very sad indeed that she died as she did, but that marriage was a disaster on both sides. I believe that Charles is so weird because of his upbringing - my mother says he was a sensitive child who was deprived of love, and who was sent away to an extremely harsh boarding school at a young age. And imagine having anything less than the hide of a rhinocerus and having Philip as a father! He was told he had to find a virgin to marry so that he could produce an heir. Mrs Parker Bowles was completely off limits. If he had just married her in the first place none of this would have happened. I think the court establishment has a lot to answer for; it is an unstoppabe juggernaut of tradition - though it does seem to have loosened up a bit in the younger generation. It will be interesting to see if Harry is allowed to marry Meghan whatever her name is.

Anyway - those are my thoughts!

Madeleine has a bar job for the festival which involves her being out very late at night, so I have been watching TV on my own. I didn't want to continue with the series we are both watcing so I dug out the DVD of Murder One, which I found in a charity shop. We had watched this when it first came out many years ago but we missed the last episode and never found out what happened!  I must say that so far it is every bot as good as I remembered it - though it's hard to accept that Stanley Tucci is one of the baddies when we are all still madly in love with him from The Devil Wears Prada and Julie & Julia!

And now I'd better actually do a review...

Rosemary
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: BarbStAubrey on August 12, 2017, 11:16:58 AM
Absolutely NOTHING on PBS tonight or this entire weekend - everything is music and I like country music as much as anyone but these shows I have already seen over and over again - nothing and next week there is a nod to the usual. However, interesting there is a new Endeavor season 4, that will be featured and then thank goodness, our local station has already announced they are cutting the fund drive off early so it is really just this weekend because the regulars will not be back next weekend but the shows chosen will be at least from the genre we are more used to on a Saturday and Sunday night. Well small blessings, there will be no competition keeping me from seeing the stars tonight... 
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: rosemarykaye on August 12, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
Barb, sometimes it is nice to 'see the stars' isn't it?  In the middle of all the rushing about for our festivals, I went this afternoon to the tiny St Vincent Chapel for a choral evensong. So peaceful.

I hope you have a good evening,

Rosemary
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on August 12, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
Rosemary, thank you for that answer. Yes that is the "Diana  Tapes" to which I referred earlier.

I did not know that the Royal Family does not pay taxes.  And there are so many of them!  I guess they are one of the few remaining  monarchies we in the US know the most about. Now the new  " The Crown" episodes are now being advertised in teasers, the   time skipped ahead to the Kennedy era.  That should be something. The Philip character is especially interesting and they say he will get more and more prominence as the series progresses.

Lucky  you with all those festivals to go to and exciting things to hear and see!  Exciting, to say the least. Loved your account of the panel. I like panels, you get such a wide range of good opinion. At least when one person doesn't dominate.  Hope the next one is better publicized. I loved  your having to walk home, tho I doubt you did, so how I think of the UK, so  Bill Bryson-ish.  There is nothing within walking distance of me, but you  in the UK are famous for walking a lot farther than I would ever consider. He seems to think nothing (or did, perhaps when  younger)  of walking incredible distances and then back home again. We do NOT walk enough in this country, or I don't, for sure.  Too far out and then how would one get back unless one called somebody to pick one up.

We don't have "Broadway Baby" here in the US, although strangely enough, Broadway is here. I did look her up but was not familiar with the subjects currently being reviewed. So I learned something.

Based on your recommendation I'm going to watch the first few episodes of Mad Men and see for myself.  Everybody talks about it but I've never seen it.

Thank  you for all the above.  (Stanley Tucci is always good, always glad to see him in anything.)



Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: ginny on August 13, 2017, 07:14:48 PM
Oh PBS here has just aired the  wonderful Christmas Father Brown episode called The Star of Jacob, it's priceless. I hope those of you who like Father Brown can get to see it.
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: Annie on August 15, 2017, 03:06:44 PM
So how did you see it now?  Seems like it would be shown later in the season! Is that the one with all the different animals?
Title: Re: PBS Masterpiece 2017
Post by: CallieinOK on August 15, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
On my Netflix,  "The Star of Jacob" is the first episode in Season 5 of Father Brown.