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Re: Poetry Page
« Reply #2440 on: March 17, 2011, 01:42:19 AM »
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Join Us! For a Season of Spring Poetry

A Prayer in Spring
~ Robert Frost
 
     Oh, give us pleasure in the flowers to-day;
And give us not to think so far away
As the uncertain harvest; keep us here
All simply in the springing of the year.

Oh, give us pleasure in the orchard white,
Like nothing else by day, like ghosts by night;
And make us happy in the happy bees,
The swarm dilating round the perfect trees.

And make us happy in the darting bird
That suddenly above the bees is heard,
The meteor that thrusts in with needle bill,
And off a blossom in mid air stands still.

For this is love and nothing else is love,
The which it is reserved for God above
To sanctify to what far ends He will,
But which it only needs that we fulfil.

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2441 on: March 17, 2011, 02:34:13 AM »
The Song of Hiawatha
        ~ by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Introduction:

      Should you ask me,
      whence these stories?
      Whence these legends and traditions,
      With the odors of the forest
      With the dew and damp of meadows,
      With the curling smoke of wigwams,
      With the rushing of great rivers,
      With their frequent repetitions,
      And their wild reverberations
      As of thunder in the mountains?
          I should answer, I should tell you,
      "From the forests and the prairies,
      From the great lakes of the Northland,
      From the land of the Ojibways,
      From the land of the Dacotahs,
      From the mountains, moors, and fen-lands
      Where the heron, the Shuh-shuh-gah,
      Feeds among the reeds and rushes.
      I repeat them as I heard them
      From the lips of Nawadaha,
      The musician, the sweet singer."
          Should you ask where Nawadaha
      Found these songs so wild and wayward,
      Found these legends and traditions,
      I should answer, I should tell you,
      "In the bird's-nests of the forest,
      In the lodges of the beaver,
      In the hoofprint of the bison,
      In the eyry of the eagle!
          "All the wild-fowl sang them to him,
      In the moorlands and the fen-lands,
      In the melancholy marshes;
      Chetowaik, the plover, sang them,
      Mahng, the loon, the wild-goose, Wawa,
      The blue heron, the Shuh-shuh-gah,
      And the grouse, the Mushkodasa!"
          If still further you should ask me,
      Saying, "Who was Nawadaha?
      Tell us of this Nawadaha,"
      I should answer your inquiries
      Straightway in such words as follow.
          "In the vale of Tawasentha,
      In the green and silent valley,
      By the pleasant water-courses,
      Dwelt the singer Nawadaha.
      Round about the Indian village
      Spread the meadows and the corn-fields,
      And beyond them stood the forest,
      Stood the groves of singing pine-trees,
      Green in Summer, white in Winter,
      Ever sighing, ever singing.
          "And the pleasant water-courses,
      You could trace them through the valley,
      By the rushing in the Spring-time,
      By the alders in the Summer,
      By the white fog in the Autumn,
      By the black line in the Winter;
      And beside them dwelt the singer,
      In the vale of Tawasentha,
      In the green and silent valley.




~

          "There he sang of Hiawatha,
      Sang the Song of Hiawatha,
      Sang his wondrous birth and being,
      How he prayed and how be fasted,
      How he lived, and toiled, and suffered,
      That the tribes of men might prosper,
      That he might advance his people!"
          Ye who love the haunts of Nature,
      Love the sunshine of the meadow,
      Love the shadow of the forest,
      Love the wind among the branches,
      And the rain-shower and the snow-storm,
      And the rushing of great rivers
      Through their palisades of pine-trees,
      And the thunder in the mountains,
      Whose innumerable echoes
      Flap like eagles in their eyries;-
      Listen to these wild traditions,
      To this Song of Hiawatha!
          Ye who love a nation's legends,
      Love the ballads of a people,
      That like voices from afar off
      Call to us to pause and listen,
      Speak in tones so plain and childlike,
      Scarcely can the ear distinguish
      Whether they are sung or spoken;-
      Listen to this Indian Legend,
      To this Song of Hiawatha!
      Ye whose hearts are fresh and simple,
      Who have faith in God and Nature,
      Who believe that in all ages
      Every human heart is human,
      That in even savage bosoms
      There are longings, yearnings, strivings
      For the good they comprehend not,
      That the feeble hands and helpless,
      Groping blindly in the darkness,
      Touch God's right hand in that darkness
      And are lifted up and strengthened;-
      Listen to this simple story,
      To this Song of Hiawatha!
          Ye, who sometimes, in your rambles
      Through the green lanes of the country,
      Where the tangled barberry-bushes
      Hang their tufts of crimson berries
      Over stone walls gray with mosses,
      Pause by some neglected graveyard,
      For a while to muse, and ponder
      On a half-effaced inscription,
      Written with little skill of song-craft,
      Homely phrases, but each letter
      Full of hope and yet of heart-break,
      Full of all the tender pathos
      Of the Here and the Hereafter;
      Stay and read this rude inscription,
      Read this Song of Hiawatha!
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: Poetry Page
« Reply #2442 on: March 17, 2011, 05:11:40 AM »
I remember Hiawatha from a reading book.
I liked the Bronte poems, my grandma sent my father a little box of heather, when we were children. My sister and I got shamrock brooches and Coronation books.
I just remembered it's St. Patrick's Day today!
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Re: Poetry Page
« Reply #2443 on: March 17, 2011, 05:43:30 AM »
So it is!  Nothing happens here (a different story in Glasgow, I am sure - and my husband's firm in Edinburgh has many Irish employees; I expect they will be downing a few Guinesses tonight).

So perhaps we should be digging out our WB Yeats, or Maeve Binchy, or something.  It's always good to have a theme.

Rosemary

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Re: Poetry Page
« Reply #2444 on: March 17, 2011, 06:19:55 AM »
How unexpected to see some work of the Bronte sisters. Of course, Emily is by far the best poet of the three - Anne has a quiet charm and Charlotte can be a trifle 'twee' - but such talents they had. Their brother Branwell also wrote poetry which has been long disregarded but in recent years new assessments have been made. I don't think he will ever be regarded as a major force of English letters but I'm sure he has a place somewhere.
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Re: Poetry Page
« Reply #2445 on: March 17, 2011, 08:54:01 AM »
 Ah, thanks for the reminder, OCTAVIA. I'll wear some green today.  I'm entitled; my paternal
grandmother was a Riley!
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« Reply #2446 on: March 17, 2011, 12:57:33 PM »
Octavia - I forgot Hiawatha and stumbled upon it last week - while reading I was bowled over with the message that to me was beyond sentiment - sounds like the kind of uplifting thoughts we want to hear expressed today.

How lovely to think on the idea of a mother sending her grown son a box with heather inside - so poetic and tender - I bet you can see in  your minds eye those Shamrock pins to this day.

Rosemary thanks for stopping in - do you have a Yeats you could share with us -  There are so many great Irish poets aren't there - they do have a way with words - I did  not realize Binchy wrote poetry. I have certainly enjoyed reading her books over the years.

Talk about downing a Guinesses - my Grandboy is celebrating his first adult St. Patrick's day in Savannah where they do it up Green - he just finished up the 3rd quarter of his second year at Savannah College of Art and Design and rather than come home immediately between semester break he is staying in Savannah till Friday so he can be a part of the goings on - he is a good kid so there is no concern. In fact he is fun - he rides all over town and to class on his bike, even though he brings his car and when on his bike he wears his WWI leather pilot's helmet along with a pair of out-sized goggles. For St. Pat's he dressed up his black coachman's hat that he wears as his 'dress up' attire with green ribbon and ferns that he purchased at the florist.

Gumtree we did a  month of the Bronte's back a couple of years ago and we were successful finding some of Patrick Branwell Bronte's poems - we learned of his life of drink - they all had such a miserable life didn't they surrounded by so much loss - very different than the life of Emily Dickinson. I visited the Moors where they lived and it is desolate but I thought beautiful with all the space laid out as a vista before your eye. The summer weather I'm sure is far different than a howling wind sweeping across that landscape.

Thorp Green
          ~ Patrick Branwell Bronte

I sit, this evening, far away
     From all I used to know,
And nought reminds my soul today
     Of happy long ago.

Unwelcome cares, unthought-of fears,
     Around my room arise;
I seek for suns of former years,
     But clouds o'ercast my skies.

Yes - Memory, wherefore does thy voice
     Bring old times back to view,
As thou wouldst bid me not rejoice
     In thoughts and prospects new?

I'll thank thee, Memory, in the hour
     When troubled thoughts are mine -
For thou, like sins in April's shower,
     On shadowy scenes wilt shine.

I'll thank thee when approaching death
     Would quench life's feeble ember,
For thou wouldst even renew my breath
     With thy sweet word 'Remember'!


Babi a Riley - for me it is Kane - my maternal Great Grandfather was the immigrant and his name was an Irish version that we can no longer find the papers that was Anglicized to Kane.

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: Poetry Page
« Reply #2447 on: March 17, 2011, 01:09:08 PM »
And I have Loton and Morris in my forebears...
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« Reply #2448 on: March 17, 2011, 01:16:52 PM »
Well Gumtree if this is family - wow - looks like both the Loton's and the Morris'  were in the Cromwellian Adventures protecting the land for Ireland - http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/advntrs.htm
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« Reply #2449 on: March 18, 2011, 12:04:17 AM »
Can I post this before the day is over - I hope, I hope, I hope... I just love it - it sings and says it all...

The Emerald Isle
          ~ Christine B.

There is a place that haunts my dreams
Where countless knolls are always green,
And scents of Celtic ocean breeze
Draws me back to past life gleams.

I oft recall the many smiles,
Although that life was not of wealth.
Happiness was in the love
Of country called the Emerald Isle.

I must go back—the Isle awaits
My return to its sweet shores;
And grassy hillsides, cottage doors
Call me back to discern my fate.

A grave lies there among the hills
A young girl’s end by lover’s hand,
The soul will never find its peace
Until a marker the specter stills.


“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2450 on: March 18, 2011, 05:29:00 AM »
Barbara - My goodness - I've done a lot of genealogical research but haven't got back as far as Cromwell for those two particular families - though I have seen that record. Most Australians of Anglo-Saxon descent have at least one Irish ancestor - I have two, my DH has 1 - so our children have 3 and so it goes. 
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« Reply #2451 on: March 18, 2011, 08:44:03 AM »
Oh, yes, BARB. And then there was my great-grandfather from Austria, a Von Stoy, who
dropped the Von here to become simply Stoy. There is also a Cherokee in the family back-
ground; the rest seem to be pretty ordinary English.

 I found a poem for you from the Cherokee nation.

CALLING LIKE A DISTANT BIRD

Listen!

Dressed in the sunrise
I might sing like a red bird.
But I shake my clothing until it fades
so that you and I are dressed alike.
Our souls are aligned.

Be thinking of me.
We are as the red bird.
We are as the blue bird.
We are as the yellow bird.
We are as the mythic bird.

Now!
Look at me ... talk with me ... no apartness.
In the middle of the morning we stand.
Each day we walk in splendor
within the heart of a rainbow.
Each day we are remade by
the spirit that never dies.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #2452 on: March 18, 2011, 09:34:37 AM »
Babi thanks - what a treat - there is a mystical feel and sound about most Native American poetry and this one does not disappoint. Even the title of the poem stirs something within...CALLING LIKE A DISTANT BIRD - hmmm seems to me I used words very similar in a poem I wrote about 10 years ago - need to find that and share it.

Gumtree you never do know what you will find when you Google  ;)

Looks like it is my grandboys who are the 36 flavors where as even my kids have a simple heritage the same as mine - for me it was my great grandparents who arrived - all from Germany in the 1830s and 1840s except for my mother's father's parents who came from Ireland in the 1850s and then the father of my children was both German and English I guess since on his father's mother's side they go back to the early days of this nation to Anne Hutchinson and the Massachusetts Bay Colony.  Not much in the way of a mix of cultures - ah so
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« Reply #2453 on: March 18, 2011, 11:11:56 AM »
Found it...
A Cooing Near-by Dove Sounds a Long Way Off.

We've all just met -
two seated, two standing,
animated in chatter - "I've been,"
"No, not long," "Wasn't he great?" -
Pleasantries from pleasant faces
alive with smiles, flashing eyes,
a slight strain pulls tight
cheekbones and lip lines.

We're reaching for moons,
the essence of each shape.
Where is the safe spot?
What weakness joins space
with a sheepish smile? We're proud
we found a cringe,
trying to tell friendship
from each paper face.

A mention of blossoms -
words stop -
in mid air -
her fullness in place,
greets - a no-man's land.

Her eyes soften inward.
Pale checks relax
her face - like a white dove
 flies into space
she wanders the sad grieving call, gentle
sounds a thousand miles away
she walks a mountain floating
in Dogwood blossoms as thick as snow,
shares a pink blush close to her throat -

Her voice undone
holds a longing,
a push against old stories in time
where red birds play in cold Spring shadows
our heartwood-dreams
bind the falling petals
of memory advancing
two seated, two standing,
a federation,
we share -
"I’ve been there !"
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2454 on: March 18, 2011, 11:05:12 PM »
So beautiful. 
How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?  - Plato

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« Reply #2455 on: March 19, 2011, 09:16:06 AM »
 Yes, indeed.  I found myself drifting away with her, to a lovely place.
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« Reply #2456 on: March 19, 2011, 01:35:12 PM »
Hi everyone!

I am from the Latin Group but could not miss posting my favourite poem for Spring

Thoughts from Abroad
  
Robert Browning (1812–89)
  
  

OH, to be in England now that April ’s there  
And whoever wakes in England sees, some morning, unaware,  
That the lowest boughs and the brushwood sheaf  
Round the elm-tree bole are in tiny leaf,  
While the chaffinch sings on the orchard bough         5
In England—now!  
  
II
And after April, when May follows  
And the white-throat builds, and all the swallows!  
Hark, where my blossom’d pear-tree in the hedge  
Leans to the field and scatters on the clover         10
Blossoms and dewdrops—at the bent spray’s edge—  
That ’s the wise thrush: he sings each song twice over  
Lest you should think he never could re-capture  
The first fine careless rapture!  
And, though the fields look rough with hoary dew,         15
All will be gay when noontide wakes anew  
The buttercups, the little children’s dower,  
Far brighter than this gaudy melon-flower!

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« Reply #2457 on: March 19, 2011, 02:15:55 PM »
Thanks Bow Belle - had to laugh - first the English in Spring and then quick as a wink the Irish  - I know, here it is funny - there it is not - so glad you popped in - so many wonderful Spring time poems aren't there - the Autumn poems are filled with a sadness but the Spring poems are always so hopeful - thanks for Browning.

Whoops what happened to the Irish song/poem - Oh Bow Belle it was wonderful - please we are not thinking the same as you probably experienced where you have to be careful - from a distance, as most of us are, the troubles are part of the tapestry of life in this world and we love to hear from poet and Bard their ability to turn the awful into something to sing.
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« Reply #2458 on: March 21, 2011, 01:02:05 AM »

The Song of Hiawatha
       Part I: The Peace-Pipe

On the Mountains of the Prairie,
On the great Red Pipe-stone Quarry,
Gitche Manito, the mighty,
He the Master of Life, descending,
On the red crags of the quarry
Stood erect, and called the nations,
Called the tribes of men together.
From his footprints flowed a river,
Leaped into the light of morning,
O'er the precipice plunging downward
Gleamed like Ishkoodah, the comet.
And the Spirit, stooping earthward,
With his finger on the meadow
Traced a winding pathway for it,
Saying to it, "Run in this way!"
From the red stone of the quarry
With his hand he broke a fragment,
Moulded it into a pipe-head,
Shaped and fashioned it with figures;
From the margin of the river
Took a long reed for a pipe-stem,
With its dark green leaves upon it;
Filled the pipe with bark of willow,
With the bark of the red willow;
Breathed upon the neighboring forest,
Made its great boughs chafe together,
Till in flame they burst and kindled;
And erect upon the mountains,
Gitche Manito, the mighty,
Smoked the calumet, the Peace-Pipe,
As a signal to the nations.

And the smoke rose slowly, slowly,
Through the tranquil air of morning,
First a single line of darkness,
Then a denser, bluer vapor,
Then a snow-white cloud unfolding,
Like the tree-tops of the forest,
Ever rising, rising, rising,
Till it touched the top of heaven,
Till it broke against the heaven,
And rolled outward all around it.
From the Vale of Tawasentha,
From the Valley of Wyoming,
From the groves of Tuscaloosa,
From the far-off Rocky Mountains,
From the Northern lakes and rivers
All the tribes beheld the signal,
Saw the distant smoke ascending,
The Pukwana of the Peace-Pipe.
And the Prophets of the nations
Said: "Behold it, the Pukwana!
By the signal of the Peace-Pipe,
Bending like a wand of willow,
Waving like a hand that beckons,
Gitche Manito, the mighty,
Calls the tribes of men together,
Calls the warriors to his council!"
Down the rivers, o'er the prairies,
Came the warriors of the nations,
Came the Delawares and Mohawks,
Came the Choctaws and Camanches,
Came the Shoshonies and Blackfeet,
Came the Pawnees and Omahas,
Came the Mandans and Dacotahs,
Came the Hurons and Ojibways,
All the warriors drawn together
By the signal of the Peace-Pipe,
To the Mountains of the Prairie,
To the great Red Pipe-stone Quarry,
And they stood there on the meadow,
With their weapons and their war-gear,
Painted like the leaves of Autumn,
Painted like the sky of morning,
Wildly glaring at each other;
In their faces stem defiance,
In their hearts the feuds of ages,
The hereditary hatred,
The ancestral thirst of vengeance.

Gitche Manito, the mighty,
The creator of the nations,
Looked upon them with compassion,
With paternal love and pity;




Looked upon their wrath and wrangling
But as quarrels among children,
But as feuds and fights of children!
Over them he stretched his right hand,
To subdue their stubborn natures,
To allay their thirst and fever,
By the shadow of his right hand;
Spake to them with voice majestic
As the sound of far-off waters,
Falling into deep abysses,
Warning, chiding, spake in this wise :
"O my children! my poor children!
Listen to the words of wisdom,
Listen to the words of warning,
From the lips of the Great Spirit,
From the Master of Life, who made you!
"I have given you lands to hunt in,
I have given you streams to fish in,
I have given you bear and bison,
I have given you roe and reindeer,
I have given you brant and beaver,
Filled the marshes full of wild-fowl,
Filled the rivers full of fishes:
Why then are you not contented?
Why then will you hunt each other?
"I am weary of your quarrels,
Weary of your wars and bloodshed,
Weary of your prayers for vengeance,
Of your wranglings and dissensions;
All your strength is in your union,
All your danger is in discord;
Therefore be at peace henceforward,
And as brothers live together.

"I will send a Prophet to you,
A Deliverer of the nations,
Who shall guide you and shall teach you,
Who shall toil and suffer with you.
If you listen to his counsels,
You will multiply and prosper;
If his warnings pass unheeded,
You will fade away and perish!
"Bathe now in the stream before you,
Wash the war-paint from your faces,
Wash the blood-stains from your fingers,
Bury your war-clubs and your weapons,
Break the red stone from this quarry,
Mould and make it into Peace-Pipes,
Take the reeds that grow beside you,
Deck them with your brightest feathers,
Smoke the calumet together,
And as brothers live henceforward!"
Then upon the ground the warriors
Threw their cloaks and shirts of deer-skin,
Threw their weapons and their war-gear,
Leaped into the rushing river,
Washed the war-paint from their faces.

Clear above them flowed the water,
Clear and limpid from the footprints
Of the Master of Life descending;
Dark below them flowed the water,
Soiled and stained with streaks of crimson,
As if blood were mingled with it!
From the river came the warriors,
Clean and washed from all their war-paint;
On the banks their clubs they buried,
Buried all their warlike weapons.
Gitche Manito, the mighty,
The Great Spirit, the creator,
Smiled upon his helpless children!
And in silence all the warriors
Broke the red stone of the quarry,
Smoothed and formed it into Peace-Pipes,
Broke the long reeds by the river,
Decked them with their brightest feathers,
And departed each one homeward,
While the Master of Life, ascending,
Through the opening of cloud-curtains,
Through the doorways of the heaven,
Vanished from before their faces,
In the smoke that rolled around him,
The Pukwana of the Peace-Pipe!
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« Reply #2459 on: March 21, 2011, 08:54:28 AM »
 Having recently read a history of Quanah Parker and the Comanches,  I couldn't help but
think that the listed group of Indian peoples never would have gathered to 'smoke the peace
pipe'.  Facts do sometimes get in the way of properly enjoying a poem.

  Does this seem familiar?    "March is a month of considerable frustration - it is so near spring and yet across a great deal of the country the weather is still so violent and changeable that outdoor activity in our yards seems light years away."-  Thalassa Cruso 
 This is probably from her book on gardening, published back in 1972.

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« Reply #2460 on: March 21, 2011, 09:26:13 AM »
Babi - I did so like the words of Thalassa Cruso.  Also love his/her name.  Thalassa is the Greek word for "sea".

From the New York Times : She was born Jan. 7, 1909, in London, the daughter of Henry and Mildred Cruso. The name Thalassa, the Greek word for ''sea,'' was a whim of her mother's. According to family legend, a paternal ancestor, John Cruso, was a schoolmate of Daniel Defoe, who would later add an ''e'' to the surname and bestow it on his best-known literary hero. ''My mother's maiden name was Robinson,'' Ms Cruso once said in an interview, ''and I am told that the announcement of that engagement was the last thing that made Queen Victoria smile.''
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« Reply #2461 on: March 21, 2011, 09:28:06 AM »
 With a name like that, ROSE, she probably is Greek, at least in origin.
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« Reply #2462 on: March 21, 2011, 12:55:36 PM »
I do think you are right Babi and that is what I think Hawthorn is saying - it takes the calling by Gitche Manito, a god figure, through the peace-pipe to assemble them all together in that meadow and they arrive dressed for war - he then proceeds to scold them for their warlike behavior enacted between tribes. He uses a guilt tactic on them in hopes they change their behavior where the Christian God makes promises about a glory place .

I got from the epic the concept that we are all called regardless of earthly differences, that in common we have our humanity and a greater power that we call by many names that is more powerful than any group or tribe or nation that functions as an inner cry in all of humanity toward what the peace-pipe represents - but then no god can over-ride free will and so many of these prayers and poems are describing a Utopian dream.  

Interesting bit of history about Cruso, the sea and Daniel Defoe - and then to top off the announcement of wonders is Queen Victoria's smile. Great bit - thanks roshanarose.

Peace
          ~ by Rupert Brooke - the first sonnet in his 1914 sequence

Now, God be thanked Who has matched us with His hour,
And caught our youth, and wakened us from sleeping,
With hand made sure, clear eye, and sharpened power,
To turn, as swimmers into cleanness leaping,
Glad from a world grown old and cold and weary,
Leave the sick hearts that honour could not move,
And half-men, and their dirty songs and dreary,
And all the little emptiness of love!

Oh! we, who have known shame, we have found release there,
Where there's no ill, no grief, but sleep has mending,
Naught broken save this body, lost but breath;
Nothing to shake the laughing heart's long peace there
But only agony, and that has ending;
And the worst friend and enemy is but Death.


AMAZING PEACE  
          ~ by Maya Angelou

In our joy, we think we hear a whisper.
At first it is too soft.   Then only half heard.
We listen carefully as it gathers strength.
We hear a sweetness.
The word is Peace.
It is loud now.
Louder than the explosion of bombs.

We tremble at the sound.
We are thrilled by its presence.
It is what we have hungered for.
Not just the absence of war.   But true Peace.
A harmony of spirit, and comfort of courtesies.
Security for our beloveds and their beloveds.

We, Angels and Mortals, Believers and Nonbelievers,
Look heavenward and speak the word aloud.
Peace.  We look at each other, then into ourselves,
And we say without shyness or apology or hesitation:

Peace, My Brother.
Peace, My Sister.
Peace, My Soul.
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« Reply #2463 on: March 22, 2011, 01:33:42 AM »
This is from A.C.Swinburne 1837-1909.its seeming simplicity covers great depth.

For winter's rains are over,
And all the season of snows and sins.
The day dividing lover and lover,
The light that loses,the night that wins;
And time remembered is grief forgotten,
And frosts are slain and flowers begotten,
And in green underwood and cover
Blossom by blossom the spring begins.

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« Reply #2464 on: March 22, 2011, 02:08:25 AM »
What a lovely expression Jude "in green underwood" and the other I like equally, "frosts are slain" - I do so admire folks who can tell the story and get their message out in a few lines - oh  me - it is a gift I know I just do not have - it seems I end up writing a book most often to say what another can successfully say in 4 lines. ohhh well I guess we all have our own gifts.

Babi off the subject of Poetry - or according to how you look at life - anyhow - have you had a soaking rain yet this Spring - I am concerned - we had a few drizzles in February but the ground had not been soaked since all that cold freeze in mid-January and things are beginning to green up but ever so slowly with lots of dead stuff showing. Rain my not be a favorite day but we need a good soak - how about where you live...?

Oh yes, nearly forgot - seriously - if  you have tackled any of Ezra Pound's work please share what you got from it - I keep thinking if I read more poetry maybe I can figure out his work - bottom line I need a class but the time that takes is a commitment I cannot make at this time - evidently he held some unorthodox opinions about the likes of Hitler and Mussolini. I think he was before the House on un-American Activities but again, for me he is so difficult a read to even get into his Bio.
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« Reply #2465 on: March 22, 2011, 08:38:33 AM »
 What a beautiful poem.
".. true Peace.
A harmony of spirit, and comfort of courtesies.
Security for our beloveds and their beloveds."

 Oh, if it were only so!
 
 There is a book titled "Angels and Mortals", and also a game for youth of that name.
I don't know if the game is related to, or came from, the book.

"And time remembered is grief forgotten,"    I wish Swinburne was right about that, but I
often find the opposite to be true.

 I can't claim any familiarity with Ezra Pound, BARB.  I've read very little of his work, and never
tackled the really saga-sized epics for which he is so famous.
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« Reply #2466 on: March 22, 2011, 11:05:29 AM »
Thanks Babi - I still hope to unravel Pound - as to Peace - as fast as we settle in one place another pops up - I almost prefer it when we did not have instant news to all places in every corner of this world - I am trying to figure out what it is about peace we want - I think it is more than the quiet and good will among all - I wonder if it is as much about the feeling of being safe where as without peace there is a heightened level of anxiety based on the level of uncertainty we feel.

SAFETY
          ~ by Rupert Brooke

Dear! of all happy in the hour, most blest
He who has found our hid security,
Assured in the dark tides of the world that rest,
And heard our word, "Who is so safe as we?"
We have found safety with all things undying,
The winds, and morning, tears of men and mirth,
The deep night, and birds singing, and clouds flying,
And sleep, and freedom, and the autumnal earth.

We have built a house that is not for Time's throwing.
We have gained a peace unshaken by pain for ever.
War knows no power. Safe shall be my going,
Secretly armed against all death's endeavour;
Safe though all safety's lost; safe where men fall;
And if these poor limbs die, safest of all. 
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« Reply #2467 on: March 23, 2011, 08:36:08 AM »
 A powerful poem, BARB.  That kind of peace, if we can hold on to it, is the only peace we can
truly rely on.   I'm sure you are familiar with the scripture from  John 14:27:
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Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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« Reply #2468 on: March 23, 2011, 10:59:01 AM »
To off set the news or, maybe it is to live on with a full heart in spite of the news...

Security
          ~ by William Stafford

Tomorrow will have an island. Before night
I always find it. Then on to the next island.
These places hidden in the day separate
and come forward if you beckon.
But you have to know they are there before they exist.

Some time there will be a tomorrow without any island.
So far, I haven't let that happen, but after
I'm gone others may become faithless and careless.
Before them will tumble the wide unbroken sea,
and without any hope they will stare at the horizon.

So to you, Friend, I confide my secret:
to be a discoverer you hold close whatever
you find, and after a while you decide
what it is. Then, secure in where you have been,
you turn to the open sea and let go.
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« Reply #2469 on: March 23, 2011, 11:59:28 PM »
Maybe I have become too involved in the Odyssey.  I know Barb that you choose poetry relative to events that are happening or have just happened.  That poem sang Odysseus to me, Cavafy too. 
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« Reply #2470 on: March 24, 2011, 09:19:37 AM »
 How about poetry directly from the Odyssey?  Here is Hermes, speaking to Calypso:
 "Goddess to god, you greet me, questioning me?
  Well, here is truth for you in courtesy,
  Zeus made me come, and not my inclination;
   who cares to cross that tract of desolation,
   the bitter sea, all mortal towns behind
   where gods have beef and honors from mankind?
   But it is not to be thought of--and no use--
    for any god to elude the will of Zeus."
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« Reply #2471 on: March 24, 2011, 09:35:34 AM »
Ah Hermes with his winged feet - here are a couple of poems devoted to the god

Hermes
~ by Sannion

Ie ie Hermes!
Staves and rocks and herds of cows and herds of ghosts;
Hats and boots and coins tinkling --
as they fall from cut purses or from hands that have thrown bad dice

Ie ie Hermes!
Pens and roads and treaties and men muttering old spells under the new moon;
Black earth and black night and blue eyes shining out of the shadows --
as footsteps fall on wet cobbles and people hurry home
Ie ie Hermes!
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« Reply #2472 on: March 24, 2011, 09:36:23 AM »
PHOEBUS AND HERMES.
          ~ by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

DELOS' stately ruler, and Maia's son, the adroit one,

Warmly were striving, for both sought the great prize to obtain.
Hermes the lyre demanded, the lyre was claim'd by Apollo,

Yet were the hearts of the foes fruitlessly nourish'd by hope.
For on a sudden Ares burst in, with fury decisive,

Dashing in twain the gold toy, brandishing wildly his sword.
Hermes, malicious one, laughed beyond measure; yet deep-seated sorrow

Seized upon Phoebus's heart, seized on the heart of each Muse
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« Reply #2473 on: March 25, 2011, 08:50:24 AM »
 Is there more to that poem, BARB?  It seems to hang suspended, waiting for more.
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« Reply #2474 on: March 25, 2011, 03:32:21 PM »
That's it Babi - here is another translation

Phoebus And Hermes
           ~ by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

The deep-brow'd lord of Delos once, and Maia's nimble-witted son,
Contended eagerly by whom the prize of glory should be won;
Hermes long'd to grasp the lyre, -- the lyre Apollo hoped to gain,
And both their hearts were full of hope, and yet the hopes of both were vain.
For Ares, to decide the strife, between them rudely dash'd in ire,
And waving high his falchion keen, he cleft in twain the golden lyre.
Loud Hermes laugh'd maliciously, but at the direful deed did fall
The deepest grief upon the heart of Phoebus and the Muses all.
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« Reply #2475 on: March 25, 2011, 06:33:02 PM »
One Sister have I in our house
          ~ by Emily Dickinson

One Sister have I in our house,
And one, a hedge away.
There's only one recorded,
But both belong to me.

One came the road that I came --
And wore my last year's gown --
The other, as a bird her nest,
Builded our hearts among.

She did not sing as we did --
It was a different tune --
Herself to her a music
As Bumble bee of June.

Today is far from Childhood --
But up and down the hills
I held her hand the tighter --
Which shortened all the miles --

And still her hum
The years among,
Deceives the Butterfly;
Still in her Eye
The Violets lie
Mouldered this many May.

I spilt the dew --
But took the morn --
I chose this single star
From out the wide night's numbers --
Sue - forevermore!

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« Reply #2476 on: March 25, 2011, 06:35:46 PM »
Sister Muses
          ~ by Raymond A. Foss

Oh the pen flowed
jumped to the words
found the voice
Talked the talk
said his piece
next to them
the Sister Muses

Aware of the weaknesses
of my chromosome
but gave me the start
the push
to jot and post
the poems on the page
Again.
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« Reply #2477 on: March 26, 2011, 08:35:36 AM »
 Ah, that second translation is much clearer, and completes the idea for me. Aside from the
reflection on the character of Hermes, the poem seem to be speaking of the damage war does
to the more beautiful things of life.
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« Reply #2478 on: March 27, 2011, 12:57:06 AM »
Barb - A tribute:

King of Fruits
Luscious, succulent mango fruit!
How do we guard you from the brute?
King of fruits, without dispute
To you we all humbly salute!
Ripe, and unripe in forms many,
Enjoyed universally by all and any!
Ah., delicious and sweet as sugar cane,
Protecting you can be wildly insane!
Your name derives from the word "mAngaai"
You are linked to the legend of Surya Bai**!
Food of the gods! How you enchant!
O’ tangy Drupe! Wishes you grant!
Akin to Maya - you are the fruit of gold,
That sages in Arunachala have extolled;
Witness to battle and thunder storm
You let Soorapadman take your form!
O’ earthy, ripe "Sappattai" delight,
Envy of the "Alphonso" this starry night!
Gazing at onlookers from the compound wall,
How gracefully you sway amidst trees tall!
Then, in the quiet afternoon Chennai sun,
When the siesta of ladies has just begun,
Fearless street urchin and vagabond alike
Gear up towards you to aim and strike.
Alas! Shouting to protect is of no avail,
For the wily ones on the prowl prevail;
As adroitly they grab and you will snatch
Pray, can any match a more princely catch?
A well directed stone at you they throw
Following victory cries of "kokku"* ru kO!
Ah.. heavenly "kokku" sweet as cane,
Yes, protecting you is indeed in vain!
 

*Kokku is another name for mango tree
**Legend has it that the sun princess - Surya Bai, transformed
herself into a golden lotus to evade persecution of an
evil sorceress. The sorceress became angry when the
King of the land fell in love with the beautiful lotus,
and she burnt it to ashes. But as things would be in
the battle of good overcoming evil a magnificent mango
tree sprang from the ashes and Surya Bai
stepped out from a ripe mango that had fallen to the
ground.
The above verse is a variation from the original
Tamil poem by veNbA virumbi given below:
Rajeshwari Iyer


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Rajeshwari Iyer lives in Brampton, Ontario and teaches Chemistry at the College/University level in Toronto. She is the mother of a special needs child and enjoys reading, music and travel. She has contributed poems to SAWF (South Asian Women's Forum), Magazines such as KALA, Marina, quarterly publications based in Toronto. She has also contributed to e-zines such as Poetry.com, Thinnai, and Tamilonline.
 
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« Reply #2479 on: March 27, 2011, 03:36:31 AM »
OH my - Oh thanks you - it is a beautiful poem - so full of  wonder - just wonderful -  ;) and best all sorts of words for me to research...  :-*
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