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« Reply #80 on: December 26, 2012, 11:38:51 AM »
Women's Issues
If Art imitates Life, what does Literature show about the place of women in our society? From the Red Tent to the new movie Anna Karenina,  to Malala Yousafzai in the news, has the state of women changed? What IS the state of women today, in your opinion?

Let's talk about how women are portrayed in the press, and in literature, and how accurate it is.   How does advertising reflect, if it does, how women are portrayed?  (Remember heels and pearls to sell refrigerators?)

How does it seem to you that women are portrayed today?

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« Reply #81 on: December 27, 2012, 12:31:43 PM »
By happenstance, i read these two articles about women in the FBI/CIA. The first one is about the first woman in the FBI when she was 54! (her age was a surprise). Of course, J. Edgar Hoover, no lover of women, fired her when he became Drector. The second article is about the CIA beginning to increase the numbers of women analysts in the 1990s, leading to "Jen" who led the Seal Team to Bin Laden.

 Thought you might enjoy them, i keep meaning to read a book that's been around for about ten years of the women spies of WWII? Sisterhood of Spies. Has anybody read it?

http://www.amazingwomeninhistory.com/alaska-p-davidson-first-female-fbi-agent/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/09/16/secret-weapons.html


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« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2012, 06:35:10 AM »
I need to dig, I am pretty sure I bought the book on female spies when in a used book store,, Probably up in North Carolina, so the book may be in that house as well.
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« Reply #83 on: December 30, 2012, 01:13:14 PM »
I am just so upset about the rape and beating of that young woman in India.  She was on a bus with a young male date and they had just seen a movie.  I believe I read that she was a medical school student.  Six men starting beating the both of them up and gang raping her.  Now she has died.  There have been huge protests in India, but not enough to change the culture.  The rule of law there seems to be:

Men can feel free to grab and rape.

Women bring shame upon themselves and their families if they report this.

It is the woman's fault if she is raped.

You know, we have the same sort of thing going on right here in Annapolis at our Naval Academy.  Young women complain and it gets written up on THEIR records against them, but the young men get off scot free.

The same thing is said, according to our local paper, to be going on at West Point and at the Air Force Academy.

And in our armed services.  BIG time in our army.

I get the impression men in high office think women have been made just for raping and sex and are being loud mouthed nuisances when and if they complain!

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« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2012, 11:20:28 PM »
Think about joining the book discussion Travels with Herodotus the author, Kapuseinski includes bits of Herodotus' Histories that includes their viewpoint of the beginnings in writing of how women are thought of and treated which does not seem to have changed for many over 3 to 8 million years. I picked up a copy of The Histories and my mouth has not closed since I started reading. However, I found Travels with Herodotus fun, enlightening from a journalists view of recent events taking place in the same lands traveled by Herodotus in the first century BC - I was engrossed from the first chapter.

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« Reply #85 on: December 31, 2012, 09:11:38 AM »
I own and read Herodotus many decades ago.  I, too, recommend him to any who have missed this important introduction to the history of mankind.  If The History Book Club still exists, and I expect it does, that is where I bought my book.  Eons ago I bought most of their books, skipping the ones giving too much detail on battles.  Now I spend most of my days of decrepit old age with recreational reading and keeping up to date with what is going on now, but I still own a splendid history library.  Much of it has been gifted to various family members who have shown an interest in one place or period or another.

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« Reply #86 on: December 31, 2012, 05:09:33 PM »
This book is partly about Herotodus, but mainly about the nature of travel: why we do it, what we learn about others and ourselves. Come and see.

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« Reply #87 on: January 01, 2013, 06:15:01 AM »
Reading about Jefferson and the women he loved really brought it home to me the hazards of child birth back in that era.. if there had been birth control, his wife would probably have lived a long and complete life. Instead even though she lost most of her pregnancies, she kept getting pregnant over and over ..Sad.
The Indian rape seems to have stirred up the middle class in Indian.. I cannot believe that this actually happened on a bus.. Is there nowhere safe for women??
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« Reply #88 on: January 01, 2013, 09:32:29 AM »
The bus DRIVER joined in the beatings and rape!  The bus DRIVER!  Then they threw the woman and her escort off the bus and drove away.

But the mind set is like concrete:  if a woman gets raped it simply has to be HER FAULT!

Men are, by nature and by all that is right in this world, entitled to their bit of fun.  Women are just "things."

This victim was a TWENTY-THREE YEAR OLD medical studant.

One legislator has suggested women should be required to wear trousers in public rather than skirts.

Men all over India are questioning her virginity.  It HAS to be her fault, you see.  I mean, it is NEVER the man's fault.  Never.  She made them do it!

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« Reply #89 on: January 01, 2013, 02:44:32 PM »
Same for incest in this country - women do not want to make an enemy of the men and yet it seems a revolution is going to be needed - the soft sell is not stopping this...

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« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2013, 06:13:03 AM »
Women get to be a scapegoat in most areas. Just think of the muslim belief that women are property.. Then they kill them if their belief in property is disturbed.. We are lucky in that most of us are well educated,, middle class women in this era.. We may have been put down, but not beaten ( I hope) and although we all have issues with how we were treated in the business world, we still persevered.
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« Reply #91 on: January 02, 2013, 07:54:38 AM »
In our very recent past, women were considered the property of men in the Christian world, as well.

When a woman married, all her assets became her husband's and he had all control.  If she ran away from a wife beater, he owned the children and she could not have them.

I detest the Christian marriage ceremony, albeit most of our young have sense enough to change it.  About half of my granddaughters did.  When they ask who giveth this woman, the reference is that she has to be owned by SOME man, be it her father or her grandfather or uncle or brother.  She has to be SOME man's property.  And she is being passed, usually by a contract she may have had no say in whatsoever, to her husband as property.

So we are not all that far ahead in our culture.  I do consider it a blessing to live in this more advanced culture;  that is a given.  But we have a long way to go yet.

One of my granddaughters who absolutely adores my son, her daddy, came down the aisle alone rather than give a nod to the inference that she was his property.  Several others had both parents escort them down the aisle.

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« Reply #92 on: January 02, 2013, 03:15:47 PM »
My daughter wanted both of us to escort her down the aisle, but it wasn't wide enough.

The Vienna Philharmonic has actually let a few women musicians in. What a shock! Now they are only about 50 years behind other major orchastras!

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« Reply #93 on: January 02, 2013, 07:45:08 PM »
Don't forget that some denominations still have women say They will "love, honor and obey" in their wedding vows.

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« Reply #94 on: January 02, 2013, 09:07:25 PM »
I did the love and honor bit, but refused the obey in all three of my ceremonies.  Yes Gals, I was married three times.  All three are dead now.  Cancer for each.  Prostate for Number One, Colon for Number Two, and Melanoma from playing golf for Number Three.  They were all three sweeties, but Number Three was the best of the lot.

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« Reply #95 on: January 03, 2013, 06:46:16 AM »
I did the whole old fashioned, love , honor and obey.. walked down the aisle with my Dad, but I was a Daddys girl and somehow it felt just right to be his baby girl for one last hour.. My husband slipped in that he obeyed me as well and the minister gave him such a look.. but he felt fair was fair.. Only one marriage, but I was lucky.. got it right for me the first time and stayed happy and loving for 51 years.,
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« Reply #96 on: January 04, 2013, 12:49:23 AM »
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A California appeals court overturned the rape conviction of a man who authorities say pretended to be a sleeping woman's boyfriend before initiating intercourse, ruling that an arcane law from 1872 doesn't protect unmarried women in such cases.

A panel of judges reversed the trial court's conviction of Julio Morales and remanded it for retrial, in a decision posted Wednesday from the Los Angeles-based court.

Morales had been sentenced to three years in state prison. He was accused of entering a woman's bedroom late one night after her boyfriend had gone home and initiating sexual intercourse while she was asleep, after a night of drinking.

The victim said her boyfriend was in the room when she fell asleep, and they'd decided against having sex that night because he didn't have a condom and he had to be somewhere early the next day.

Morales pretended to be her boyfriend in the darkened room, and it wasn't until a ray of light from outside the room flashed across his face that she realized he wasn't her boyfriend, according to prosecutors.

"Has the man committed rape? Because of historical anomalies in the law and the statutory definition of rape, the answer is no, even though, if the woman had been married and the man had impersonated her husband, the answer would be yes," Judge Thomas L. Willhite Jr. wrote in the court's decision.

The appeals court added that prosecutors argued two theories, and it was unclear if the jury convicted Morales because the defendant tricked the victim or because sex with a sleeping person is defined as rape by law.

The court said the case should be retried to ensure the jury's conviction is supported by the latter argument.

The decision also urges the Legislature to examine the law, which was first written in response to cases in England that concluded fraudulent impersonation to have sex wasn't rape because the victim would consent, even if they were being tricked into thinking the perpetrator was their husband.

Willhite noted that the law has been applied inconsistently over the years in California.

In 2010, a similar law in Idaho prevented an unmarried woman from pressing rape charges after being tricked into sex with a stranger by her then-boyfriend.

The judge called what happened "despicable" but said the state's law left the court with no choice. Idaho's law was amended to cover all women in 2011.

Morales' attorney Edward Schulman declined comment when reached by phone Thursday.

Prior to the conviction, Schulman had argued Morales believed the sex was consensual because the victim responded to his kisses and caresses, according to the decision.

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« Reply #97 on: January 04, 2013, 06:21:54 AM »
What a disgusting man.. Maybe the judge had to, but they need to retry and put him away for a long long time.. Old laws need to be revisted and changed.
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« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2013, 09:25:08 AM »
There are 2 new female representatives from the deep south who have put up bills to do away with Planned Parenthood funding.  Both have said, in public and on tape for all to see, that this organization is an abortion factory.

And that is just flat out not so, and PP keeps very careful records and books and totally separates their medical treatments so that no funds from this nation's government go toward free abortions for anyone;  this they have done for YEARS, as it is already the law that the U.S.A. will not allow taxpayer dollars for abortions, even if the woman will die without one.

But NINETY-SEVEN PER CENT (97%) of all Planned Parenthood work is giving mammograms to poor women who cannot afford to pay for them and also filling their birth control prescriptions so they will not keep on having babies.  Ninety-Seven percent!  And this is Public Information and available on paper in writing and on the web for any and all who ask.  And Ann Richards (bless her forever and may her soul rest in peace!) has a beautiful and brilliant daughter who heads up PP now and tells the world the truth.

So my question is, how CAN those women stand up there and declare these lies in strong, certain voices?

Because they are swallowing whole the lies of the male preachers who tell them this, that is why!  It ought to be made a crime by law, because it IS A CRIME to slander this organization like that when PP has done SO much good.

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« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2013, 05:28:50 AM »
They put this type of bill up 30 or more times without any chance of it passing.  No wonder they only passed a little over 200 bills last session.

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« Reply #100 on: January 13, 2013, 11:30:32 AM »
I would guess that people need something to hate and Planned Parenthood is an easy target. Stupid, but then just because people get elected does not make them bright.
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« Reply #101 on: January 13, 2013, 11:41:41 AM »
I'm ashamed to admit it, but these women representatives are from Tennessee, and at least one of them is not new.  She introduced this same bill last year. 
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« Reply #102 on: January 13, 2013, 02:18:28 PM »
Mary, why do they not seem to be aware of the history of Planned Parenthood?

Now, I have to admit to a life long immersion in that organization.  One of my father's sisters was the first President of the Washington, D.C. branch, and was active right up until her death in 1986.  The offices on Massachusetts Avenue had a ceremony for her when the family went there after her death to donate a framed letter she had received from Margaret Sanger.  So I was born and raised into service in that direction.

That being said, the history, the REAL history, is so compelling and so very, very vital to the medical needs and health of literally MILLIONS of citizens of this nation.  We would be in dire straits without them.  Frankly, it is my belief that if the crazies manage to stop having taxpayers put up money to help them help women, the women of this great country will put up the money themselves to help their sisters in need.

So it is not out of a fear for the future of Planned Parenthood that I ask this, but out of pure curiosity that just cannot comprehend a situation in which people stand up and make declarations that are flat out untruthful!  My whole sense of outrage is screaming:  WHY?????   Why do these women debase themselves by LYING?

I should go on to say that I do not object to anyone being opposed to Planned Parenthood or the services it provides.  We are all entitled to our own opinions and preferences.  I just think it wrong to fight something you feel is wrong by making yourself a LIAR in the process.

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« Reply #103 on: January 14, 2013, 06:09:32 AM »
I must confess that I now honestly believe that our congress is full of people who care very little about the truth and everything about pleasing some part of their party.. The misinformation out there is amazing. Does anyone live in a state that is now charging a tax like a sales tax on transactions and labeling it Obamacare type names?? I know on facebook, I have a friend who insists it is happening. I know it is not in Florida, but have no idea anywhere else.
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« Reply #104 on: January 14, 2013, 07:24:59 AM »
Ask her.  Ask her where and how it works.  Tell her you want to be able to put a search engine on it and read up about how it works.  All of the information taxpayers need to know is on each and every state's website that puts the information out there for taxpayers.  They ALL do it, no exceptions.  She cannot possibly say that and then have no further information as to which states or states.

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« Reply #105 on: January 14, 2013, 01:45:59 PM »
I have to take the classes yet but yes, we have now included in all Real Estate transactions three new taxes that are supposed to be from the Feds and two of them are labeled something or other Obama Health Care. So I think this is not so much a state issue but a Federal issue. Not sure yet what it is all about till I get myself to a class.

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« Reply #106 on: January 14, 2013, 03:27:21 PM »
One of those taxes is a surcharge on capital gains if your adjusted gross income is over $200,000 ($250,000 for a couple)- negatively referred to as the tax on selling your house. It's 3.8% of their taxable capital  gain. However, for most people, the first $250,000 gain on selling their residence  (not sale price, but reportable gain) is not taxable. There is a lot of confusion on this part of the law. I did a search for "Obamacare tax on selling your home" to come up with some reputable sites, including Forbes and Money and a couple of others.  Someone who has a lot of investment income and a high adjusted gross income may have to pay that additional 3.8%, but I think the percentage of people affected is close to 5%. Certainly I won't be affected. But some of the positive parts of "ObamaCare" such as allowing a child to remain on our health insurance until she finished grad school and, for family members, lowering drug costs in the donut hole have been a benefit.




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« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2013, 03:50:48 PM »
could be some are using these new taxes to justify their politics but there are these three taxes that are new, starting this year to show up on the HUDs (closing statements) - do not have a closing scheduled to know what is showing up but we are still have many training sessions on the new tax additions.

There is also a new tax for those investing in apartment building purchases - I wonder if that is where the high income folks are being affected. Since I no longer do any commercial I do not plan on learning about it. And then another new tax on the income of agents that may be because of the delay in approving the tax relief during the fiscal cliff vote so that we all have that tax increase this year. Unfortunately I've already trashed the letter from A&M which monitors and explains all changes affecting real estate.

I think the change in Capitol Gains is an additional percentage because upon selling, if you are not swapping there has alway been a Capitol Gains tax.

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« Reply #108 on: January 15, 2013, 06:11:00 AM »
No, this was a tax on an ordinary purchase and she copied it onto her facebook site.. It was Colorado..I really will look at their laws to see if I can figure what it is.. It struck me as like a sales tax.. That is what startled me, but Florida has opted out of setting up their insurance sites and that might be the trigger.our Governor became a millionaire with managed care, so he hates anything that interferes with his money or now " his wifes money" from the blind trust.. Money is money, but seemingly not in Florida.
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« Reply #109 on: January 16, 2013, 10:39:57 AM »
Steph, I think it is the same everywhere.

Basically, some people enter politics out of a sense of altruism;  of duty towards ones country.  Patriotism.

Some people enter politics to further their personal ambitions, particularly as pertains to the size of their purse.  These want to become rich and powerful from political office.  Hordes of them leave fame and power in politics and go right into power and big money in lobbying.

The first type, the altruists, seem to be dropping out in droves these days.  Just overwhelmed by the big mouthed and the payoffs and the betrayals of the public trust.

The second type seem to be ruling our country at present, and so we get ever stuck deeper and deeper in the crud.  So sad.  So very sad.

I really think of all the sayings I have heard in my nearly 84 years, the one that said "Follow The Money" was the truest of all.  Always follow the money, and when you manage to do that, you truly come to understand what is going on and how the vast majority of the human population is being had.  Big time.

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« Reply #110 on: January 16, 2013, 01:41:47 PM »
Some good news!

An amazing "Holy Cow!" column by Jimmy Carter about religious discrimination of women.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/losing-my-religion-for-equality-20090714-dk0v.html


The "Elder's" site

http://www.theelders.org/

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« Reply #111 on: January 16, 2013, 03:02:48 PM »
Thank you so much, Jean.  I had read that Jimmy Carter did that, but had never read what he wrote about it.  I have just sent it off to my FIVE (5) daughters, Elizabeth, Anne, Becky, Debi and Pam.  I will shortly send it to my 13 granddaughters.

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« Reply #112 on: January 17, 2013, 03:37:39 PM »
This is appalling. Yesterday, on his radio show, Rush Limbaugh said: "You know how to stop abortion? Require that each one occur with a gun."

That's right. At a time when we need to have a serious conversation about gun safety and mental health -- and when we still have a House unwilling to protect women through the Violence Against Women Act -- Rush Limbaugh decides to spew even more hateful vitriol toward women.

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« Reply #113 on: January 17, 2013, 09:40:18 PM »
He's certifiable, no doubt about it. The saddest part is that radio stations pay him big money to broadcast that bilge. There's a lot more hate in this country then we ever knew. I have huge fear for the Obama family. I'm almost afraid to watch the inauguration.

Jean


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« Reply #114 on: January 17, 2013, 09:50:21 PM »
That is exactly the way I feel.

You know, it is amazing to me that so many millions of people in this country think Limbaugh is giving them the NEWS.  Spot on from the latest most up to date true information.  They do not seem to realize that he is being paid multimillions to shout out the most outrageous garbage he can come up with and get away with disseminating along the airways.

But people repeat and repeat and spout out his bilge as though it were Gospel truth.  So disgusting, but more than that, it is scary, scary stuff.

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« Reply #115 on: January 18, 2013, 06:32:29 AM »
Limbaugh is a terrible man, but I am more afraid of the people who seem to have a blind hatred for the entire Obama family.. It is sad that so many people automatically decide that they should be in control of womens bodies.. I just feel more and more that we should worry about the next generation..
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« Reply #116 on: January 18, 2013, 10:22:28 AM »
I keep trying and trying to figure out what it is about Obama that makes some people have such a deep hatred for him in their guts.

Is it his foreign sounding name?

Do they have a feeling of nausea over his parents being one black and one white?  This is something some people feel in a very deep, primitive sort of way.  It has no basis in reality, but these people are not thinking things out for themselves or thinking in a rational way;  they are just reacting from their most basic, reptilian portion of their brains.

Is it just flat out racism?  Do they hate and/or resent his color?  Do they feel all blacks are inferior and it is a blot on our nation that he holds our highest office and represents THEM?

I find we are not all put together in such a way that, if we go from early childhood to adulthood without learning to be contemplative, we ever learn the ways in which to quiet the processes of our surface instincts and think hard upon the facts and implications of facts all about us and learn to sort out the truth.

The whole purpose of college is, or at least used to be, that we learn to THINK.  Most of our population never gets to college or even has training at that level.  So most of us are reacting to the daily grind and to the news tidbits we hear with passions based on near total ignorance.  We are, in fact, all reaction and no thought process.

I am an extremely curious person.  In fact, most of my life I have thought of myself in relation to Rudyard Kipling's THE ELEPHANT CHILD in Just So Stories.

So Barbara Walters had Honey Boo Boo as one of her ten most interesting people in 2012.

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« Reply #117 on: January 18, 2013, 10:33:57 AM »
I had never even heard of Honey Boo Boo.  So I found out how to find her and one Saturday sat down to reruns of numerous episodes of that series on TLC.  Scheesch!

I found a family with deep love for one another and a very raw, untutored intelligence with just all sorts of potential, who are living in my worst nightmare.  They have zero manners.  They eat their food like pigs grunting away at their slop.  They yell, rather than speak, and they mention things pertaining to bodily functions and sex that most of us don't even whisper.  Over and over all day long they do this.  They have no clue as to proper nutrition, and spend their days slouching on couches gobbling fast food snacks.  They seem happy and upbeat, covering a deep sense of inferiority.  Their priorities are extremely shortsighted, mostly stretching no further than what this day will bring.

Is this America today?  I don't know, but it may well portray a very large portion of it.  Frightens me, it does.  Learning is EVERYthing, and ignorance is dangerous.

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« Reply #118 on: January 18, 2013, 02:01:46 PM »
I don't understand Barbara Walters or the population that watches Honey Boo Boo. Looking in one time to see what itis about, i understand. That's a curiousity for any of the reality shows. But once you've seen what it is about, why would anyone want to go back and look again. Is it an insecurity and therefore the "joy" of making fun of these people and their lifestyle? It's beyond me.

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« Reply #119 on: January 18, 2013, 02:24:11 PM »
There are probably as many reasons why folks hate Obama as there are those who unleash their hateful words - one reason that a group of us believe (as a result of clacking and clucking then getting down to finding out what we could since we live in small area of blue surrounded by deep dark red and we all had good friends we could question some things) seems that he is like a scapegoat.

All the things that have them unsettled about how the nation is becoming less self-sufficient they blame the Dems and Big City Poor who they see with their hand out while committing all the crime - since they know enough not to talk about the black big city poor in the way they did, Obama becomes a poster child and so all the uncertainty, anger, change, violence on TV, news filled with big city crime, folks loosing houses without wall street punishment, more poor with drugs the lifestyle - all that is blamed on people they pull back from blaming but, that rage has to go someplace and not only because Obama is a Dem, a President that they believe should single handed make it all better but, he is dark skinned like the people they blame for the downfall of America.

As I say anyone can probably find many others whose vitriolic attitudes come from another part of the psyche but that is what we have figured out for some.