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« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2009, 08:18:31 PM »
Talking Heads #4

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Our Fourth Selection is: 
Why Is It A Sin To Read For Fun?

By Jennie Yabroff | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Apr 20, 2009


Rest by Deborah Dewit Marchant
Posted with kind permission of the artist, . All Rights Reserved.
 

Jodi Picoult makes lots of people love books—but has she become too successful to be taken seriously?


If we remove the assumption that reading is virtuous (a Picoult novel is better for you than a reality TV show), then the good/better hierarchy (Virginia Woolf is better for you than Jodi Picoult) collapses, and books are left to stand on their own merits, not their implied nutritional value. In last year's "The Solitary Vice: Against Reading," writer Mikita Brottman challenges the accepted wisdom that reading is inherently uplifting, arguing that it turns us into antisocial misanthropes who would do better to be out in the world than home with a book. It's an intentionally provocative argument, but equating reading—all reading, from the classics to the tabloids—with pleasure feels radical in this age of government-subsidized municipal book clubs. Maybe if reading wasn't so "good" for us, we'd do more of it." -- Jennie Yabroff

Are some types of books "better" than others? More uplifting, more ennobling? Is reading for pure pleasure shameful? Why are prizes not given to the Stephen Kings and Jodi Picoults?

Do you feel guilty about some of your own reading choices? Which ones? Let's discuss!



Discussion Leader: Ginny



Jane, “so has sin.”  I love it – the comment, I mean.

Has anyone read  Years of Grace by Margaret Ayer Barnes, or Scarlet Sister Mary by Julia Peterkin, or Now in November by Josephine Winslow Johnson? Or even heard or the authors or titles?  I’ll bet not many.  But yet they’re up there with Gone with the Wind and The Good Earth and Arrowsmith and So Big and Age of Innocence.  They must have had something at some point.

I have not yet read, nor seen the movie, The Hours by Michael Cunningham.  But I have heard both cussed out by so many people.  My reading is much dependent on my mood of the moment.  I wonder if such is the case with those who judge books for awards.

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« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2009, 08:45:55 PM »
I read books purely for enjoyment and I hope that never changes.  However, I'm not opposed to learning something as I read.  SeniorNet and SeniorLearn have had discussions about the four novels of the Raj Quartet.  I have now bought all of them and plan on reading them soon.  I was never interested in history as a student, but reading novels based on history is enlightening.

I've read a few books that have gotten literary awards.  Some I couldn't finish; others were outstanding.  So I don't give a book that has won an award any more weight than a book suggested here.  And I reserve the right to put down a book that I simply don't like - award or not.

Nancy

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« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2009, 09:05:14 AM »
 GINNY, I someimes think that literary critics and those
 who chose books for awards take an elitist, even snobbish,
view.  I grow suspicious that some of them consider themselves
above the hoi polloi, and therefore ignore the 'popular'
books.
  Perhaps I am being cynical.  The list you posted certainly
has a number of well-known books, some now classics, as well
as some that evoke only a "Huh"?

  I just read JANE's post, and I see she also sees 'lit snobs'
in the choosing.

  After seeing MaryZ & Jean's posts, I went back and counted the
number of books on that list that I've read. I counted 9, with at least
three more that I saw in the film version and never did read the book.
It occurs to me that once I've seen a film I very rarely read the book.
I guess it's because I feel I already know the story and that's a 'spoiler'
for me when it comes to the book.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2009, 07:41:03 PM »
 Shriek!! I LOVE the "sin" remark, Jane! Doesn't it fit in well here, tho, for the title? hahaha

Well after reading your posts, I thought I'd see how many I have actually read. I feel somewhat guilty as I see that WE in the  Books read many on SN that I missed!

I'm going to enjoy this and probably embarrass myself but here goes:

2005   Gilead: A Novel by Marilynne Robinson
2004   The Known World by Edward P. Jones
2003   Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides
2002   Empire Falls by Richard Russo
2001   The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay by Michael Chabon
2000   Interpreter of Maladies by Jhumpa Lahiri
1999   The Hours by Michael Cunningham
1998   American Pastoral by Philip Roth
1997   Martin Dressler: The Tale of an American Dreamer by Steven Millhauser
1996   Independence Day by Richard Ford
1995   The Stone Diaries by Carol Shields
1994   The Shipping News by E. Annie Proulx
1993   A Good Scent from a Strange Mountain by Robert Olen Butler
1992   A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley
1991   Rabbit At Rest by John Updike

1990   The Mambo Kings Play Songs of Love by Oscar Hijuelos
1989   Breathing Lessons by Anne Tyler
1988   Beloved by Toni Morrison
1987   A Summons to Memphis by Peter Taylor
1986   Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry
1985   Foreign Affairs by Alison Lurie
1984   Ironweed by William Kennedy
1983   The Color Purple by Alice Walker
1982   Rabbit Is Rich by John Updike, the latest novel in a memorable sequence
1981   A Confederacy of Dunces by the late John Kennedy Toole (a posthumous publication)
1980   The Executioner's Song by Norman Mailer
1979   The Stories of John Cheever by John Cheever
1978   Elbow Room by James Alan McPherson
1977   (No Award)
1976   Humboldt's Gift by Saul Bellow
1975   The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara
1974   (No Award)
1973   The Optimist's Daughter by Eudora Welty
1972   Angle of Repose by Wallace Stegner
1971   (No Award)
1970   Collected Stories by Jean Stafford
1969   House Made of Dawn by N. Scott Momaday
1968   The Confessions of Nat Turner by William Styron
1967   The Fixer by Bernard Malamud
1966   Collected Stories by Katherine Anne Porter
1965   The Keepers Of The House by Shirley Ann Grau
1964   (No Award)
1963   The Reivers by William Faulkner
1962   The Edge of Sadness by Edwin O'Connor
1961   To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
1960   Advise and Consent by Allen Drury
1959   The Travels of Jaimie McPheeters by Robert Lewis Taylor
1958   A Death In The Family by the late James Agee (a posthumous publication)
1957   (No Award)
1956   Andersonville by MacKinlay Kantor
1955   A Fable by William Faulkner
1954   (No Award)
1953   The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway
1952   The Caine Mutiny by Herman Wouk
1951   The Town by Conrad Richter
1950   The Way West by A. B. Guthrie, Jr.
1949   Guard of Honor by James Gould Cozzens
1948   Tales of the South Pacific by James A. Michener

(From 1917-1948, the award was given as the Pulitzer Prizer for Novel)
1947   All the King's Men by Robert Penn Warren
1946    (No Award)
1945   A Bell for Adano by John Hersey
1944   Journey in the Dark by Martin Flavin
1943   Dragon's Teeth by Upton Sinclair
1942   In This Our Life by Ellen Glasgow
1941   (No Award)
1940   The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
1939   The Yearling by Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings
1938   The Late George Apley by John Phillips Marquand
1937   Gone With the Wind by Margaret Mitchell
1936   Honey in the Horn by Harold L. Davis
1935   Now in November by Josephine Winslow Johnson
1934   Lamb in His Bosom by Caroline Miller
1933   The Store by T. S. Stribling
1932   The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck
1931   Years of Grace by Margaret Ayer Barnes
1930   Laughing Boy by Oliver Lafarge
1929   Scarlet Sister Mary by Julia Peterkin
1928   The Bridge of San Luis Rey by Thornton Wilder
1927   Early Autumn by Louis Bromfield
1926   Arrowsmith by Sinclair Lewis

1925   So Big by Edna Ferber
1924   The Able McLaughlins by Margaret Wilson
1923   One of Ours by Willa Cather
1922   Alice Adams by Booth Tarkington
1921   The Age of Innocence by Edith Wharton
1920   (No Award)
1919   The Magnificent Ambersons by Booth Tarkington
1918   His Family by Ernest Poole
1917    (No Award)

Yeowee that's pitiful!




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« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2009, 08:52:52 PM »
My list isn't any better!  I listed the ones of which I know I saw the movie but not the few others that I don't remember reading but vaguely remember seeing the movie. (Sorry about that sentence structure!  I wrote it; you get to straighten it out!  :))

2005 Gilead: A Novel by Marilynne Robinson
2002 Empire Falls by Richard Russo
1994 The Shipping News by E. Annie Proulx
1992 A Thousand Acres by Jane Smiley
1989 Breathing Lessons by Anne Tyler
1988 Beloved by Toni Morrison (started - didn't finish)
1986 Lonesome Dove by Larry McMurtry (saw the t v movie)
1983 The Color Purple by Alice Walker (saw the movie and have seen the musical)
1961 To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee (saw the movie)
1960 Advise and Consent by Allen Drury
1948 Tales of the South Pacific by James A. Michener ( tried to read - bogged down and stopped. Does seeing the movie "Hawaii" count?)
1947 All the King's Men by Robert Penn Warren (saw the movie)
1945 A Bell for Adano by John Hersey (saw the movie)
1940 The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
1939 The Yearling by Marjorie Kinnan Rawlings
1937 Gone With the Wind by Margaret Mitchell (every summer while I was in high school!)
1932 The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck
1925 So Big by Edna Ferber


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« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2009, 10:05:56 AM »
I know what you mean! :) I saw that Mambo Kings movie and loved it just loved it, but the book?

I can see right now my own reading background needs to get elevated a little bit (OR is that not the word?) After this article, I think not! But whatever you call it my own "reading list" needs a jump start from the People Magazines and, alternately, the dead serious stuff I read, and here I thought all this time I was an eclectic reader. I'm eclectic all right. In one area.

I just read the lastest issue of Newsweek, which is their last in this format. I tried to read the article in The New Yorker from the '70's about the Grey Gardents ladies and it was something like 10 pages long. No time. No time.

I wonder and I really wonder this: have we now become a nation of Twitter Sound Bytes? I think we have? When is the last time YOU read a 10 page article on anything? Nowadays it would be reduced to a 140 character tweet: formerly rich ladies live in poverty. Is that 140 characters? not going to count.

What is HAPPENING to us? We'll discuss Twitter next Monday.

We MAY need to start up a You Be The Judge type of reading book club and we'll decide for ourselves... I never HEARD of some of those, who on earth are they? you've read a whole lot more than I have.

I suddenly feel somewhat.......hmmmm

Strange how I can remember some of them SO vividly and others, not.

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2009, 10:38:32 AM »
 I might read a 10-page article that interested me, GINNY, but not on-line. Takes up too much time on the computer, where I have a number of things I enjoy doing and where my daughter spends her working hours. Nope..long articles will have to be read in print, in my easy chair.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2009, 01:38:43 PM »
I just read the lastest issue of Newsweek, which is their last in this format

what does that mean, Ginny? ........................jean

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« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2009, 01:39:08 PM »
I just read the lastest issue of Newsweek, which is their last in this format


what does that mean, Ginny? ........................jean

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« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2009, 03:30:06 PM »
Newsweek says they are changing their format. I don't know what that means, a lot about the challenges of publishing, the online,  and they hope we like their new approach. We'll have to wait till next week to see what it is, I guess.

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« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2009, 03:35:03 PM »
I read the same issue of Newsweek, Ginnie.  It almost sounds as if less will be in the magazine and more will be on their web site.  Same thing is happening with our metro newspaper and I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!  (Yes, I'm shouting.  >:(

Did you read Anna Quindlen's final commentary - as she leaves to concentrate on fiction?  Interesting comments on "getting out of the way" for younger people.

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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2009, 04:02:25 PM »
I'm about half-way through the latest Newsweek.  When y'all mentioned it here, John had already mentioned that it would be Anna Quindlen's last issue - but not about the new format.  Then I read the Editor's Desk, and he does talk about change.  It almost sounds like there won't be an issue next week, but they'll skip a week and then have the new format. "Beginning in two weeks, on Monday May 18,..."

I guess we shall see. 
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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2009, 10:31:00 PM »
I know what you mean! :)
When is the last time YOU read a 10 page article on anything?

When is the last time you FOUND a 10 page article on anything?  Magazines are cutting their articles so they won't take up too much space between the ads.

I'm worse than the rest of you--I've read either 8 or 9:

Beloved (didn't finish--too powerful for me)
The Color Purple
To Kill a Mockingbird
Guard of Honor
A Bell for Adano
The Yearling
Gone With the Wind
Laughing Boy (that's the maybe; I've read several books by La Farge, not sure that's one)
Arrowsmith

Some of the books I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.  I can't stand Updike, and some haven't stood the test of time, but I'm still surprised at how few I've read.

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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2009, 10:33:56 PM »
It almost sounds as if less will be in the magazine and more will be on their web site.  Same thing is happening with our metro newspaper and I DON'T LIKE IT!!!!!  (Yes, I'm shouting.  >:(

I'M SHOUTING TOO!

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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2009, 12:41:11 AM »
Maybe we should be  :'(  :'(

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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2009, 07:03:41 AM »
Yes and I had missed the Anna Quindlen article (hadn't gotten to it yet) til Mary mentioned it and went back and read that last night. Move aside? What kind of world is it going to be if everybody over 40 (how old IS she?) moves aside?

Move aside? It's their turn? Maybe we need to discuss her article after Twitter, that will make a nice contrast.

Move aside? Don't know when to quit, our generation? WHAT? Maybe it IS time to shout.

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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2009, 08:43:12 AM »
I wonder if Quindlen's editors decided they wanted to replace her with a younger
writer, and she is exiting as gracefully as she can.  That can be an economical maneuver, as I well know.  I once lost a job I really liked when the State cut costs by 'dropping' some higher paid specialists across the board.
  It's so much nicer if it's your own idea, and I hope that is true for Quindlen.
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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2009, 11:22:33 AM »
Read the Editor's "letter" at the front of the magazine for his comments on Quindlen.

My first thought was "'they' tell us retirees must/should keep working - and now this indicates we should stop.  Make up your (pl.) d*** mind!!!!!"

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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2009, 12:42:07 PM »
to PatH:  I've read 26 of those Pulitzer Prize winners.  I didn't count the Updike books, because I can't remember which of his "Rabbit" books I actually read (I know the first one).  We had to do one in an English class I took back in the 80's, but I don't remember which (does that make it an "important" book? - heh heh heh)  The most ridiculous one on the list (IMHO) was "A Confederacy of Dunces".  I actually started it, and found it to be a worthless piece of dreck, but I'm sure his mother was proud of him (Toole).
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2009, 09:36:52 PM »
I note that on May 6th Ginny asked:
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The thing I can't figure out is why some authors … feel that they know they automatically are exempted from prizes because of the way they write.  That does not make sense to me.  Why should that be?  What are they lacking?
I'd like to suggest that one of the things that we have to consider here is an element that I don't believe has been mentioned yet, that of the publishing business itself.  In the last two decades it has changed dramatically.

The Random House of Bennett Cerf, Simon & Schuster, Borzoi Books, … all of the familiar names that have, in the past, published not only the best-known authors but which have made the ongoing effort to uncover and publish what they deemed the most worthy of new authors, are gone now.  As many of you may know, these familiar book publishers, along with a great many lesser known houses, have been absorbed by some of the giant “media” businesses and in some cases by business men that have had no experience whatever in publishing but who have made fortunes in unrelated fields of commerce.  The common object of all of them has been to increase the bottom line profitability of their business holdings and in their thirst for greater profitability they have expected publishing to yield to their familiar and predictable rules of the marketplace for ever greater returns on their investment.

There can be no question but that the “blockbuster” new novel is highly profitable for its publisher.  The next Harold Robbins, Stephen King, Tom Clancy or Jacqueline Susann have made fortunes for themselves and for their publishers, and in such authors the new publishing businesses have sought a formula for recognizing, publishing and promoting them.  Literary merit is not a consideration in such an approach, as it was for, say, someone like Bennett Cerf of Random House or Simon & Schuster's Richard Simon (Carly Simons' father), even though reviews and flyleaf's promotions on a new book jacket would have us believe otherwise.

The popular authors that I have named have come to be called “formula writers” in many circles, i.e. they deliberately write to appeal to the greatest possible numbers in the potential book-buying public and their successes have been in popularity and financial accomplishment rather than so-called ”literary merit.”  They are all recognized as the authors of “page-turners” rather than as offering beautiful prose, or any novel or timeless, unexplored insights into the nature of the human experience—one of the traditional measures of literary merit.  Tom Clancy's dialogue is often clunky, awkward and not at all natural; Jacqueline Susann wrote in a preposterously melodramatic soap opera style, calculated to keep us glued to the page.  It was writing unrelated to the lives that most live, but it was wildly popular and a money maker; good “escape” reading;  good entertainment, as in a movie.

So then, back to Ginny's question.

I suspect that any of the popular authors, and perhaps the one that Ginny referred to, are doing nothing more in saying that “ … they know they automatically are exempted from prizes because of the way they write” are telling us that they do not aspire to be another William James, Ernest Hemingway, Theodore Dreiser or Wallace Stegner.  That's a pretty rarefied atmosphere to be keeping company in.  A great many of us would rather find the Hope diamond in our backyard than the Rosetta Stone.  The Booker, Pulitzer, etc., are still awarded for what I have called literary merit, rather than popularity.  In some cases the issue isn't that they are “lacking” anything, but rather that they have made a choice; a choice for notoriety and a fat wallet.  Indeed, many of our popular authors are incapable of the kind of writing that would garner them a literary prize, but then the consolation prize isn't all that bad, now is it?

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« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2009, 09:13:10 AM »
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A great many of us would rather find the Hope diamond in our backyard than the Rosetta Stone.
   I think you are absolutely correct, FURETEUR.  And the line above does say it
so well.
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« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2009, 06:12:29 PM »
fureteur: As Babi said, I also agree with you assessment of the publishing world!

I've just spoken to Ginny and she also asked me to comment for her (you'll see why below) and thank you and all the others for their contributions to this discussion.

Ginny just called me and she broke her leg last night, she was home alone, and dragged herself into the house and then got to a phone to call the EMTs.  She is to see the orthopedic docs tomorrow for a hard cast.  Right now she can't get to her computer.


She will not be able to be here for the Monday discussion on Twitter, and it seems likely that it will need to be postponed until she's able to get back on a computer.  I'm sure you all understand!!

jane

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« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2009, 08:07:41 PM »
How awful for Ginny!  Glad she was able to get help.  The same thing happened to our daughter, but she was only about 40 at the time.  I hope she'll be able to have someone with her for a while.  And, not only that, but computer withdrawal!!!!

Thanks for letting us know, jane.
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« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2009, 08:58:00 AM »
Oh, that's bad news. It's a marvel that Ginny was able to get to a phone at all.
She is one gritty lady.  This is just one of the many reasons I consider myself so fortunate to have my younger daughter living with me. If I'm in trouble, I can yell and be heard.
   We'll really miss Ginny.  Heal fast, dear lady.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2009, 12:18:42 PM »
I've not been keeping up here so my comments will be out of sync with the current swtate of the discussion.  Contrary to most of the comments here I like to read those books which receive awards.  For whatever reason they represent a certain state of the society which creates them.  "Swell", Ginny comments, is no longer used but does it change the character's importance if he/she uses slang current at that time?  Georgette Heyer, inventor of the Regency Romance novel, spices her dialogs with slang which I assume was authentic; she was well known for the intensity of her research and her book about Waterloo was, maybe still is, used as Sandhurst, Brit's West Point.  Not all writers can engage me; that is a combination of the author's talent and my own perception of the work.  So while you may love Dickens I cannot read the man's works.  SOmething in them is so painful to me that I cannot view the story objectively.  Lit snobs creators of these awards may be but willy-nilly they speak for their time and place and that is as interesting to me as the tale itself.  I always ask my self, "What is the author's purpose in writing this?"  Catharsis, justification, wonder, stream-of-cnsciousness, the writer is speaking about certain truths and what they are is as important as how they are depicted.  maybe it is my sociology background that allows me to interpret this way.  Why I read what I read is another question which is under study.
Jackie
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« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2009, 03:45:05 PM »
I was away from home all weekend and am just now catching up.

I'm so sorry to learn about Ginny and hope all goes well for her. 

Jackie, I thought I was the only one in the world who has never liked reading Charles Dickens!  Neither am I intrigued by the plethora of current offerings that focus on poor, needy people in 3rd world countries.  Once is enough - I get the point!!
I don't have a sociology background but it seems I look at situations more and more in a sociological way.

Back to the "I" volume of Sue Grafton's "alphabet mystery" series.

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« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2009, 08:55:27 AM »
I agree, JACKIE. I've always felt the Heyer books I've read did capture
the 'flavor' of the period, even when they got a bit overblown for our
modern manners.   
  Dickens writes of grim times, but he brings to life some memorable
characters. He did write one book on the light side, "The Pickwick Papers".
Have you tried that one? I loved Joe Weller, that most capable and
independent servant. You might like that one, too, CALLIE, if you would
like a book taking a lighter view of that particular era.
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« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2009, 09:48:26 AM »
Thank you for the suggestion, BABI.  I love historical fiction.

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Re: Talking Heads ~ Why Is It A Sin To Read For Fun?
« Reply #68 on: May 12, 2009, 10:41:51 AM »
I misspoke: One Dickens was assigned in sophomore year high school, A Tale  of Two Cities and that one I liked.  I've seen movies, Great Expectations and Oliver, the man could tell a story.  But I can't read the others though I've tried.  Now Edwin Drood iwill be the subject of our discussion shortly; what shall I do?
Jackie
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

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Re: Talking Heads ~ Why Is It A Sin To Read For Fun?
« Reply #69 on: May 12, 2009, 11:51:21 AM »
Edwin Drood is only half the discussion; the other half is Matthew Pearl's "The Last Dickens".  What about reading a summary of "Drood" and taking part in the Pearl half?

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Re: Talking Heads ~ Why Is It A Sin To Read For Fun?
« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2009, 12:29:20 PM »
Ginny - for when you are back on-line - I'm sending you a dozen fantasy cream-filled donuts from Peter Pan Bakery on Main St! That are guranteed to  heal any broken bones  ;) ;)................or just thinking about them will make you smile, which we all know is a healing behavior................ :-* :-* We are going to miss you in the mean time til you get back into the community w/ us...................jean

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Re: Talking Heads ~ Why Is It A Sin To Read For Fun?
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2009, 02:36:59 PM »
Well that did it! Nothing like a cream doughnut from the Peter Pan Bakery (which is no longer like a lot of our childhood stuff) to snap one out of it. Thank you for all the kind words, but NOW, we must know your thoughts on our latest topic: Do You Tweet? hahahaa 

I absolutely loved that quote, Jane, "so is sin." hahahaaaaaaaaaaa So apropos!

Everybody come on over and thank you for this fantastic discussion! :)


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Re: Talking Heads ~ Why Is It A Sin To Read For Fun?
« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2009, 02:39:55 PM »
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