This summer was quite different for me because for the first time in a long time, I didn't go anywhere, just stayed put. One of my daughters came with her children for a week, and later some other visitors. It was pleasant, just different. I swim laps at our local pool -- early bird swim 5 - 7 am. And it is so neat to watch the sun come up while you're swimming. Today was the last day; now they will put a bubble up over it until next summer.

In the early Fifties and Sixties, my wife and I would always vacation in Miami Beach, Florida. JoAnn just loved the ocean swimming, the lounge chairs around the pool and, of course, all the attention the hotel would give their guest.

We would drive round trip, in those days, we both enjoyed driving. I wouldn’t do that now. Not with the challenge driving of today.

Our vacation would start the moment we got in the car and we were in no hurry. We would allow ample time for driving and sight seeing along the way. I still remember passing the road side stands in Georgia with watermelon, corn on the cob and, of course tomatoes. Just two lane highways then, no intestates except for the Pennsylvania Turnpike. The watermelons sold for 25-cents!

We would drive no later than four or five o’clock, stop at motel with a pool. Then we would get ready for a nice dinner at nearby place the motel manager would recommend

I can still smell the shrimp boats, when our road brought us close to the ocean.

The drive home was still part of our vacation.

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Mary, Google offers up quite a few pages. The site below has a good picture, and also speculates about the future of petroglyphs.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/getaways/060399/petr03.html

That's what I like about these discussions. One thing leads to another and you find you're wanting to know more and more. Now, I wonder if anyone has written a book about "she" or tried to tell her story in print.

Tooki, would that climb up the out cropping be difficult for seniors? I wouldn't want to be blown of it by the brisk wind you describe.

Perki, I remember, on school vacation, running free from dawn to dusk also, when I was the age you mentioned, except, of course, for lunch and dinner--we wouldn't miss out on that ) Our parents never thought about us being in any danger, and we didn't either We didn't have little leagues or computer games. Us kids made our own good times playing cowboys and Indians. We didn't even think about playing cops and robbers. We used toy cap guns and pretended we were all straight shooters. Oh, the fun we would have making believe we were ridding horses by skipping along and smacking our own butt to go faster, hahahaha. And when we were old enough to ride two wheeled bikes, oh, well, we all thought we reached the best of times!! And, you know what, maybe we did

And the best part of all this it was out doors in the summer sun.

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And since we are talking about what we did on vacation, I'll tell you what happened on one Christmas vacation. The tree was always decorated and placed in the parlor Christmas Eve and when I went to bed I thought it was finished. When I came downstairs next morning, I opened the parlor door and, oh, my gosh, there under the tree was a Lionel Train going round and round the tree on the railroad tracks. I was stunned never did I expect such wonderful present. It wasn't the best you could buy, but to me it was.

Annie, how great a time you must've had washing the elephants. I wonder if there is still a place in our country where kids can still do that.

Lorrie, how true, but now I don't hear the kids playing anything at all in the evenings anymore. What do they do? Surely they don't all watch TV or be on the computer.

Carolyn, as well as marbles, there was one other game we played. Remember the Baseball card that used to come with chewing gum. Well, we would collect those cards and then play spin match with them. One kid would hold the card down by the side of his knee and spin the card to the ground There would be a picture of a ball player on the front of the card and a story on the back of the card. He'd do this with four or five cards and, after they were on the ground, another kid would spin four or five cards in a like manner and what ever cards he would match he would keep, but those of his cards that didn't match any on the ground they other kid would keep. I wish I had kept all those cards. Those cards are worth a small fortune. And we just spun them away.

Losalbern, I wouldn't try my childhood do it yourself either. But we used tin cans and taught string for our phones Oh lord, you folks got my mind spinning with all kinds of memories.

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One thing, I have also noticed is that the dance schools around town are having little three year olds wear the same tights and tu,tus with lots of netting and sequins, that the older girls wear. Hair in adult styles. My 5yr old granddaughter when she was in the annual dance show here in Columbus was dressed not much better than JonBenet. But they are saying it gives girls confidence to learn to move with no awkwardness. I just wish they would start a little later. What has happened to childhood? Those sunny days of summer spent wandering the woods, play Scatter every evening 'til dark, going to the local train station, where we staged robberies of the train on the big old baggege wagon, playing (boys and girls) cowboys and indians??? Spending hot afternoons playing dolls and redesigning our doll houses. Simpler times,eh?

What do you think about the "young" cheerleaders. Cheerleading is a part of high school, and I guess, Junior High. But now you see it creeping into elementary school, and summer cheerleading programs for 7 to 11 year olds. I think it's just another example of how our society is pushing little girls into becoming big girls.

I remember the four year old daughter of a friend whispering to a playmate about a child just coming into the yard, "doesn't she look tacky. Those clothes ... ." At the time, I thought I was just hearing her mother echoed in her attitudes, but now I've followed that child into adulthood, and I see willfulness and selfishness and where they've gotten her so far. That mother would have jumped at the chance to shove the daughter into a pageant, but for knowing that her upscale friends would have thought it "tacky." The truth is that our society, via TV, tells little girls, as it told their mothers, "play with a Barbie doll and eat all the french fries you want."

(And where are the fathers during these obscene little shows? Can we legislate all parents to be as intelligent as Brooke's?)

I want to tell you of my granddaughter who educating herself on what was availble and how to get it, she found that if a student attended a community college and got on the dean's list frequently, that applying for a scholarship became much easier. After two years at her local college, and being on the dean's list, she was able to get a partial scholarship to Colgate University. She also researched grants and was able to put herself through college this way. She had many part time jobs, working in the small town of Hamilton,NY, where Colgate is located. She worked at an old job plus waitressing in her hometown during breaks. And, she will be paying back those grants for at least ten years, as teaching doesn't pay that well. But she has her degree!!

By the way, I love the URL's, Lorrie. Especially,the Barbie Dolls on the beach. What a hoot!

There was an earlier report of parents who put up pictures of their own children and charge for their "clients" who can then email and say what they want the children to wear. Sounds to me like parents who should be called pimps, but I know I'm a real prude about stuff like this and children.

My main complaint is that the older girls and women who are models or in beauty contests need to have a course in self esteem. I always wondered for example, why women, who are half unclothed, let themselves be put on the covers of magazines? And, then you hear that they are putting themselves through college with the money earned. I like the comment the boy made: If it ain't for sale, don't put it on the counter!

Didn't Adam blame Eve and the serpent for his own weakness?

My point is that one thing I think is important is to teach our famale population never to go anywhere alone. And, I mean anywhere! But, I understand, that won't stop the kidnapping of children from their bedrooms which seems prolific at this time.

As Lorrie said, "give them back their childhood." In the previous discussion most of us shared our happy childhood memories of the days when we had so much fun We only have it for a brief time. What are these kids going to say: Oh, my parents made me dress up like an adult? Those kids look horrible made up like that. But, hey listen, that would fine for Halloween )

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We have all wandered the streets of a new place, seeing the sights, just touristy stuff, but I think that when evening comes or you find yourself alone on a barren street, the better part of common sense, would make us more watchful and maybe think about returning to our hotel.

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Ben and Losalbern, yes, Shirley Temple was one of a kind. She was a good little actor, for her age. No phony make up. No beauty pageant dresses, no beads hanging around her neck. Oh, she may at times have worn a costume if the script called for it. Mostly singing simple songs, "On the good ship Lollipop, it's a nice trip in to bed we hop...." and dancing with Buddy Epson and Bill Robson. Far cry from the kids beauty pageants

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We're concerned about motivation here, and it's the parents' motivation that's suspect. So, setting aside the obvious pecuniary motivation of the pageant organizers, we have parents exploiting children. Isn't this a criminal offense?

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• A young women confused and cannot believe her boyfriend is pressing her for sex she does not want and than with all the ‘lessons’ how to avoid rape she is sure it is her fault
• A mature women who thought this family friend was offering her some friendship when she needed it after some loss
• A women thinking a fellow office worker is interested in helping her do a better job by working late in the office with her
• The young girl who is being courted with goodies and told that this is normal
• A child pleasing the one she is trying to please because she cares for him
• Being promised some wonderful treat
• Being woken by the offending family member already assaulting her
• Being told Mommy isn’t good to him and she is so pretty she could be good to him which sets up the dynamics of distance and competition between the mother who could have been protective and the child
• A child with all the explanation by Mommy just does not know what in God's Name is happening nor how to describe what happened to an adult.

What to do? Say anything? If it were you, would you want to know, right then and there? You don't want to embarrass anyone, but I think I might want to change my posture, perhaps.</b.

Barbara, you call to arms about the women's shelters is such a good way to volunteer. We used to raise money for ours and collect food and clothing plus layettes were put together. There is so much we can do there. You are so right that abuse is not always physical and the women blame themselves for their husband's or mate's mistreatment of them. They are so beaten down mentally that they have no self esteem left. And when they come in with children, you wonder, how the children will turn out when this is how their lives have started. So sad!

Back to the pageant beat! We have a good friend whose daughter went this route to get her education. By the time that she was competing in the state contests, she had become absolutely obnoxious. When the high school choral, of which she was a member, went to commiserate with her over a loss, she snubbed them at the airport. Now, 48, and living in Japan, her family still speaks of her with gushing praise. Its a real twister to still hear her mother brag about this girl/woman, over the six other children in the family.

Speaking of the boys with the drooping pants, I saw a little boy, two years old, who had just had a dump in his pants and I thought,"He walks like those boys with their pants falling down!" They swing their legs in a funny way to keep up the pants.(Like sailors on a rolling deck) It does look too stupid! They have to look like their friends. Wonder who started that?

By the by, my blue haired grandson is coming to spend the night on his way from Ithaca,NY to St Louis. He and his roomate are moving a pinball machine to their apartment. The roommate bought it on the internet. Probably from E-BAY.

Yes, the daughter of my friend was very well thought of in her family because she won beauty contests so often. I don't know what kind of family support there was there as I met this lady when the girl was a high school junior or senior and had alread been in the business since she was 5. Which indicates some motherly help early on.

Ken Burns was interviewed on the Today show this morning and he said that they are going to repeat part of all their PBS historical programming starting with "The Statue of Libery" program next Monday night. I also, saw the "Civil War" is on tonight, here in downtown Gahanna, and the program is two or three hours long. Two segments, I believe. Mr Burns says that they are going to do all the shows that he had anything to do with, starting with the Statue of Libery then the Baseball, the Civil War, Jazz, Brooklyn Bridge. Our library has copies of these wonderful shows but I had to reserve "Eleanor and Franklin" to get it. Got three segments of it. Very well done!! I saw it when it was new, in '91, I think.

My granddaughter received some Christmas money from us one year and after going to Merle Norman, at the mall, to have her one ear done, she returned to the bench where Granpa waited and offered to let him have his done as Merle Norman said that they owed her one more piercing. He very graciously turned her down, while the rest of us just fell over laughing. The man is really staid!! Like HST!

Now, having said that, just a positive comment about beauty pageants. A few years back, a graduate of St. Louis Central Institute for the Deaf, Heather Whitestone, became Miss America. And we began hearing more, thru the media, about deaf education. She has now just received a coclear implant, and now we are learning more about CIs. I wonder if the media would have picked up on this if she had not been selected as MissA.

We did no plays later than five or six years old. But I do remember it being a big deal. We even had ticket takers! And, our play was in a beautiful grape arbor in my friends' backyard. What fun!

The weakness of this description of art is that it's too inclusive; it's also a definition of life, when life is lived to the full. So the opposite of this art (which would encompass all the ugly "performance art" that gleans so much press ... I hesitate to supply an example) must be death. I know many people who refuse to let discomforting images or concepts into their lives at all, and are much the poorer for it.

I'm in awe of Annafair's clear description of the viewer/audience discovering an art object at the right moment in time. At the opposite end of that spectrum, I look at some paintings or music that thrilled me as a teenager, and wonder what I saw in it

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Sorry to go off-topic, but maybe I found an art that does make some people uncomfortable.

Now, in the DC suburbs: "With the sniper loose, schools throughout the region remain locked down, and outdoor activities are becoming few. ... Homecoming was canceled at Massaponax High School ... " © 2002 The Washington Post Company

Your idea of giving your candy money for a safer place to have Halloween parties is not a bad idea but I think that most of us here in middle of the US feel that we will go with the kids and they will be safe.

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San Simeon is run by the California Parks Department as the property became a financial burden years ago so they gave to the PD. Interesting note: Nothing has been completed where it was still in flux. They want to preserve it as it was when Hearst died. Seems there is a storage area beneath the castle where many many objects of art and other collections that Hearst intended to put into the castle as it was completed. I seem to remember the tour guide telling us that that was one of the stipulations made by the family. Also there is a Hearst Castle site at: www.hearstcastle.org/

To me, the movie's cinematography is fantastic but why it is the best movie made is beyond me. I know people who watch it frequently and just love it. Why????? Also, I have seen many equally good movies or even better, that are certainly equal in the cinematography department. One of the things that I have always loved is watching B&W movies when they are well done. And, there were many!

When the Hearst papers were accused of making up the battle of San Juan Hill and also of being communist leaning, there was a huge public meeting(6000 attending) in the big park in NYC(name escapes me) where he was chastised heavily for his newspaper publishing.

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Spirit Island

One of the most serene spot I visited was Spirit Island in the Canadian Rockies. I think it's part of Jasper National Park. This was one of the places we visited on a tour that started in San Franciso. We traveled through and, of course stopped, in the Redwoods, went up along the magnificent coast of Oregon into Washington state and crossed over into Canada and on up to Jasper. It would take me a couple of pages to tell about all the places we seen on that trip

The one spot I continue to remember is Spirit Island. It was so peaceful an quiet we whispered so as not to break the mood.

Wouldn't it be a shame to sully these beautiful places with cable wires, ground pipes for oil and natural gas and the like? I can't help but wonder if in some future century this will happen.

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Edit: I just visited your Park. How wonderful to LIVE there. How long have you been there?

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Battle Rock Beach, Oregon

I mentioned earlier that after leaving the Redwoods, we traveled along the Pacific coast heading toward Canada. I was awed by the rockbound beaches of Oregon. At times the tour bus would travel close to the edge of the road and we could look down the rocky boulders. The driver stopped at a lookout point and there was a path leading down to the beach. Fortunately the tide was low at the time and we walked down the path and got a closer look at these huge rocks. We couldn't go to far because the beach was still wet further and it would've made for wet shoes and feet. Although some on the tour did take their shoes off and ventured a little further out.

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ClaraO, Bobbiecee, and Angleface555, if you folks are new to SeniorNet, I extend a hearty Welcome. And, of course, welcome to this discussion. I have been reading all these interesting posts you readers are giving us, but it's almost impossible for me to answer all of them. I'd be typing away all day, ) but please keep them coming for our readers do enjoy hearing about your experience in the national parks. It really does make for great reading and your posts allows them to picture these places in ther minds's eye.

Jeryn, Glacier National Park. Is Going To The Sun Highway there?

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My favorite trip to a park was to Smokey Mountains. Our sons were just out of college and thought it would be fun to go there in the fall. It was our last trip with them and we had a great time.

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Yes I remember You, Ginger

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GRAND TETON MOUNTAINS

Photo: National Parks Service.

One of the most pleasing photographs I have is of the Grand Teton Mountains.(this is not the picture) I stood in a small chapel bordering the Snake River and directly across from the mountains. I aimed the camera through a window in the back of the chapel making sure the window would also show in the photograph. It turned out very well, however, it was a transparency and I don't have the computer equipment to show transparencies.here.

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Mary, yes, isn't that a peaceful place. Did you take the raft ride down the Snake River? I don't mean a white water raft ride. The raft ride I took was very calm thank heavens. The guide on the raft, a young man, knew the place so well and told us little things I'm sure could not be found in books. I wouldn't trade the visits to the National Parks for all the tea in China. Well, I'd have to think about that a bit )

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OLD FAITHFUL

What would a National Parks discussion be like without a picture of Old Faithful? To view the many geysers in Yellowstone NP, visit this clickable

To make a short tour of Old Faithful without visiting the Geyser List, you can click here

Scroll down until you see "Next Stop."

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I hope we can have fun remembering our favorite toys of childhood. Come tell us about yours!!

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I forgot to mention that probably one of my favorites was a doll house given to me by a neighbor who no longer needed it. He had constructed the dollhouse before building a life size model in our neighborhood. I spent many hours decorating that house(nothing like they are today). After saving my paper route money for 6 months I was able to buy some furniture for the house and then I proceeded to make slipcovers for it as my mother always did some changing of her decor during the different seasons. And, of course the windows had to have curtains which I thumbtacked up at each window. There were pretend lamps, a kitchen replete with a stove, frig, and table and chairs even tiny dishes. What a great time I had with that house. You know, I had forgotten about that house until just now.

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And the tops -- especially the ones we called "singing tops," with the rod that you described. And also those little tops, that fit in your hand -- two parts; you'd wind them and then release the bottom part to spin on the floor.

Robbie, I liked hearing about your steam shovel. You do know Mike Mulligan, don't you? When I was in high school I worked weekends in the toy department of a hardware store, and I just loved working with those big toy trucks and tractors and fire engines. They were mostly all metal then, too. Very little plastic.

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I still love to go to the Fly Offs that they have here in Columbus in September. Our son is active with a huge group and they are able to use a private airport for their wonderful flying. The whole day is great fun and excitement. My husband just finished building a WWI English BiPlane. Has all the ablility to fly but he hesitates to fly it as its his baby. We have seen grown men collapse over a crashed RC model.

Robby, you should tell us about your adult carousel ride. I loved your word pictures of the steam shovel. Weren't those metal toys the best! We bought our son, then 2, a nice size orange dump truck which he continued to play with until he was 8 or so. It was great to use in the sandbox! I moaned over the cost of it at the time but soon saw the error of my complaints. A worthy investment!

Bill H., just come in through that door any time you wish. You know that we love to hear from you.

BenjaminLewis, I haven't seen you around much lately but that's probably because we are in different discussions now. But welcome and thanks for your memories. Weren't the metal cars and trucks great. And now we have Matchbox cars which are great fun to play with. Last year, my husband spent two months making a drag-race tracks for our grans. We keep it here in the downstairs playroom. They would destroy it or lose parts at their busy house.

Kiwi Lady, yes, all of us girls had our paper dolls and their lovely clothes. I saw some Dolly Dingle paper dolls recently. Of course, they were reproductions but I think I did buy two books. Haven't a clue as to where they are now.

And, Faithr, I liked your mother's idea to make Santa real to the baby of the family with her very own Santa delivered rocking chair. What a special family you had. I hope you are writing your memoirs for your own family and are putting in stories like that one.

Babi, thanks for sending the link to your friend of the miniatures sites. Did you see the Doll+ site? Whoa! I had no idea! Did you?

Have you all played the Toyland midi up above? Isn't it lovely music?

On New Year's Eve at our house, we have a new 500 or 1000 piece puzzle(usually given to Dad for Christmas) ready to put together. We start after supper and must finish it before midnight. One year we had 7 adults and 5 kids trying to get it done. We worked it in shifts so that it wasn't so crowded at the table. I believe that I even have pictures of that night. This is a tradition. And, we still do it when we are together.

But let's not forget the scooters, sleds and bicycles. Remember how we would put one foot on the scooter board and push with the other foot. )

The day I learned how to ride a bike was one of the happiest days of my life. Gosh, we kids in the neighborhood road our bike every opportunity we go. I can still feel the wind whizzing past my face and billowing out my unbuttoned jacket like a sail on a ship. Faster and faster we would peddle sometimes a little too fast, but there weren't as many autos then and we could ride fairly well on the neighborhood streets that were usually free of cars. Not now. Now the cars whiz past not the bikes.

One of the kids didn't have a bike but he was welcome to ride the bike of someone who wanted a rest, because his family owned a player piano. His mother and dad would go to bingo on Friday nights and, oh, what a grand time we had. We were peddling again but not on a bike. This time it was the foot peddles of the player piano. We'd play one roll sheet after the other and what great songs they were. We didn't have electronic toys. No, we had the real things.

Ben, I agree with you . The kids are spending too much time with TV and computer games. An article in the local newspaper stated that obesity among the young children is alarming and due to this very reason. Of course, fast food joints were mentioned, too.

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Did no one have a Teddy Bear, way back in the dark ages?

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Another craft my friends and I like to do was to spool weave. We pounded four nail into the top of a wooden spool, and then wove yarn around them, ending up with a long long piece that came out the hole in the spool. Then we'd use that to make little rugs and doll clothes.

Does anyone remember "Carems?" You had a square board that was a combo checker board and pool table, and these round donut shaped pieces that you would shoot across the board with your fingers.

And trading playing cards. None of my adult friends here have ever heard of it, but when I was about 10 or 11 several of us would collect old decks of cards, or at least the jokers, and trade them. we tried to get sets -- like a pair of horses, or two landscapes. The prize was Blue boy (gainsborough) and pink girl paintings. One of my friends even got a round playing card. that was big stuff back then.

Trains, trains, trains, Bill H. What a nice article about the trains. I love trains today and go see layouts whenever they are advertised. Once I was in Chattanooga for the grand opening of the Tennessee Aquairium with my grans and they talked me into going to see the local train club's huge layout upstairs in the Union Depot. It was so fabulous that I now look for them wherever I go. Saw a super layout plus many other exhibits in Victoria last year. That toy museum is here somewhere. I have a link!!!

Anna, please come back whenever you have a chance. I, too, had expected company today plus my daughter is here from Ithaca,NY but my sister, Mary, whom you have met, is down with the flu and her husband just called to tell us. But, we are glad that Barbara is here and we will have a super time. She is already planning long walks with different members of the family.

As you scroll the page, click on the pictures to enlarge the picture. This place was great fun!

Ann Alden, good link. I love those drawings of fantasy palaces and pictures of Olde London Towne houses. I think I learned to like those kind of pictures from the old fairy tales I used to read when I was a real young kid, and before I learned to read my mother would read them to me. I'm sure she enjoyed them also. I think I liked the pictures in those books as well, maybe better, than they stories. Come on now, fess up, how many here liked those old fairy tale books? You know, Grim Brothers, Hans Christian Anderson, etc. Do you think they would make for a good book discussion. ) Hey, some of them are still classics.

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Did any of you have RaggedyAnn or Andy? Did you or do you posses a Raggedy Ann book by Johnny Gruelle? He wrote those for his daughter and named the doll Raggedy Ann after one of the characters in The Hoosier Poet poems. The Hoosier Poet? What is his name? Oh, I remember, James Whitcomb Riley!! And the poem was "Little Orphant Annie".<Little Orphant Annie He also named or titled his books after Riley's poem, "The Raggedy Man" The Raggedy Man

I have made dolls but its not my business. One year, I made 14 "Cabbage Patch" dolls. Or rather, I named them "Mom's Ugly Muppets" as the head pattern that the maker of the original Cabbage Patch dolls, Xavier Roberts, had not printed the correct pattern shape for the head. So, all of the dolls were extremely homely, because of their funny shaped heads, but we loved them anyway. Eight of them were under the Christmas tree in one big box and I gave them all those combination Southern names. Like Jane Lou and Bobby Jo. It was fun to do and the work kept me out of trouble.

Does any one remember Tiddle-Winks? The game consisted of a bunch of flat round disks and a cup. The players would lay a disk in front of the cup and use another disk to snap jump it into the cup.

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Hop scotch was another cheap game to play. You didn't even need chalk if you could find a soft rock for drawing the playing field. My grans do play that on their driveway. I know because I have run over the field occasionally in the dark.

Ann Alden I loved James Whitcomb Riley and got a book of his poems one year for Christmas. Besides Orphant Annie there was the Bear Story, and the Raggedy Man, He worked fer Pa an he was the raggediest man you ever saw.

I'm glad someone refreshed my memory about "Teacher" or "Stone School" as some of you call it. Interesting. And then there was "Mother, May I," but I'm not sure what we were asking unless it was to take "Giant Steps."

It's really amazing, isn't it -- we have all lived in different parts of the world, but more or less same time frame, give or take a decade. And in spite of distance, so many of us played with the same toys, played the same games, and read the same books.

And speaking of books. Oh, Elsie Dinsmore. My dad died when I was 8 so I spent part of that year living with an aunt and uncle in a small Wisconsin town. The minister's daughter and I became good friends, bonding instantly over a collection of Elsie books that she found at a reletive's house. I can still remember reading at the dining room table, and my aunt and her new DIL, recently come to live there too, asking me "Why are you crying? What's wrong?" and I would sob about the injustices done to poor Elsie.

When I was, oh maybe, six or seven years old someone gave me a book titled "The Book of Knowledge." It was full of educational stories, rhymes and illustrations with young children in mind. One rhyme I still remember is " A frog he would a wooing go. Hi -ho said Anthony Raleigh." I can't remember the rest of that rhyme. Unfortunately I don't know what happened to the book. I did a google search and I found books with title, but there not the one I had in mind. Does anyone remember that book?

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highcedar and Annie3, Authors was a card game I also thought was New England oriented; so many of the pictures were of the Concord writers. But between those and the Classics Illustrated (NOT Classics Comics, heaven forbid!) comic books, my parents gave me a pre-school taste for literature. I remember aspiring to collect ALL the Classics Illustrated. (Of course, I'd sneak off with the occasional Dick Tracy, too. I remember one where they thought the bad guy was a Nazi, because his shoe left a swastika imprint. Then some forensics expert pointed out that the mark that was left was in reverse, and it wasn't a swastika at all. That's a lesson I've never forgotten.) And does anyone remember Plastic Man and his sidekick Woozy Winks? I think I was older by then, and able to enjoy the subtleties of the wit.

For Ann A's stated mission in this discussion, my Lincoln Logs and Tinker Toys (actually my brother's, of course, in those pre-feminist times) developed my urge to build. So if anyone wants to stop by and hold a 2 x 4 for me ....

In our house, The Book of Knowledge was a whole set of kids' encyclopedias, with annuals by mail every year. It even had little French lessons!

I didn't think about my building penchant coming from our Tinker Toys. All that I do know, is that I have a weakness for it. So far, we have designed and had built, three of our own homes in the last 40 years. The last one was done with CAD(computer aided design program) and I would sneak into the den and made changes in the plans in the middle of the night. But I am on another topic there! Sorry about that!

But, my two little granddaughters love to play with their Barbie dolls and use different voices for them,too. They are 5 and 4 and really enjoy the dolls. All four kids are very good at giving voices to many things. Puppets, soft toys, cars. You name it.

Somemore fun things when I was growing up were wagons and scooters. We spent hours racing up and down our street in our wagons and racing our scooters. Also, we roller skated for years, even played hockey, wearing our skates and using a tennis ball. We had hockey sticks which had been broken in a real ice game. The hockey players cut the sticks down and then taped them for us. We were so impressed with ourselves. But we had such a good time.

Bill H

kiwiladyYes, kids do have the imaginations and use them if we urge them to do so. My grandson, at the age of 2 or 3, had some imaginary friends that he named "The Tiny Guys" and they were brought up all the time. Then, his younger sister, joined in. The Tiny Guys raced my car on their motorcycles when the kids were there. The Tiny Guys also spent the summer at my house with their own homemade beds and pillows made by the two kids. I haven't heard much about them since these two started school this year. And, I really thought they were a riot. We even had to have their opinion about sleepovers and whether their busy schedule would allow them to join us. What fun we had with those guys! One day, while in the car going shopping, the two got into an argument about who's Tiny Guys were better. On and on, they compared their Tiny Guys. Whose was the fastest, whose was the prettiest, whose had what things and whose could sing. Finally, the girl says, "You know what, Grama, my Tiny Guys died and I feel really sad!" She topped the boy, for once. Competition among siblings is so fierce.

I remember "Highlights for Children." Does anyone remember another children's magazine called "Jack and Jill"? One of its monthly articles was a story about a goldfish, Finny, who was always getting into trouble.

Back up in central Wisconsin with my friend the minister's daughter -- we spent hours on her glassed in front porch playing with little rubber bricks, which must have been the forerunner of Lego. They were shaped just like them, but all one reddish rubber color. When we tired of that, we'd go out to the playroom in an old barn behind the house, wind up the old Victrola, and listen to "Yes, we have no bananas"

Now that it is snowing here in downtown Gahanna, I am remembering the snowmen that we built and the forts for snowball fights. We also all skated, most of the time on 2nd hand skates. There was a big lake in Indy, named, Lake Sullivan, that had warming huts, with crackling bon fires and where we defrosted our feet and hands. My parents went skating with us, but we usually paired off with our school friends. Remember, crack the whip? What simple pleasures! Outside in the winter but warmed by family and friends and those bon fires.

My dad built a huge sandbox for my brother and I but we preferred to play at a neighbor's because their's didn't have a bottom which meant that one never ran out of sand?(dirt).

And, of course, there were always our bikes to take us anywhere we wanted to go. We took pretty good care of them. During WWII, my parents could only find a boy's bike for me to ride to school, with no fenders, painted black. Not much of a bike but it got me there. I was 8 or 9 at the time. One day, I noticed that a boy who was a class ahead of me, was riding a girl's bike with fenders and painted blue and white. Well, I offered my bike to him as a trade for his! And, he took me up on it. I was thrilled and rode home in great excitement. My mother nearly died and immediately called the boy's mother to what she wanted to do. Well, the boy's mother said that it was fine with her as her son had been mortified that he had to ride that girl's bike.

So welcome Nellie tomorrow and keep on visiting this discussion.

Bill H

You stated my feelings exactly, but you said them much more eloquently.

Plotting Along. After reading the article I felt much the same as I did several years ago after attending an organ concert. I asked a clergyman who had also attended how he liked it, and he proceded to point out not only all the errors made by the organist, but also the poor quality of the music. My response to him was that I was indeed fortunate not to know as much as he because I was able to enjoy the concert so much more.

Bill H

What makes me wonder about this critic is that I enjoyed the series of Tom Clancy's about Jack Ryan(haven't read them all), and Dale Brown's Jake Grafton, Robert Ludlum, And my personal favorite, Dirk Pitt brought to us by Clive Cussler! They are like reading super hero comics without the pictures. They are Batman and Robin hoots! And, some of them are politically up to snuff, especially Tom Clancy and Dale Brown. Read "Storming Heaven" by Dale Brown and shiver to the realization that this is the story of 9/11 but told in 1994! Where did that some from? And, Len Deighton's Hook, Line And Sinker series? Good books and well written. They are pot boilers or menu driven stories in some instances but fun reads. Keeps one out of trouble and out of the food pantry! And, from the women, what about P.D. James, Ruth Rendell, The Western Women Writers who put together the stories of the women who, as they say, won the West. This is why I wonder what the critic thinks about Dickens who wrote his wonderfull social commentery in fictional series form for the local, and then international, newspapers or magazines.

I think we all know about the publishing advertising ploys and we are adult enough to pick and choose what we read. When I worked at a bookstore, I read Publisher's Weekly, and discovered that the Best Seller List came from the records of the big publishers and book warehouses. My boss told me that the list is put together by counting the number of books ORDERED by the country's bookstores. Not by the number of books sold!

Do you remember just about a year ago on this site we were discussing an article by R.B. Myers? As I recall (perhaps incorrectly) he was fussing about the big words and long descriptions by so-called "notable writers," saying that they were a distraction. It sounds like everyone's a critic and one person's meat is another's poison. My opinion -- if it reads good, do it.

Bill H

Thanks, Ginger.

Annafair, I love that you saved the books that your children enjoyed and have passed them. I have in my possesion, one of my favorites which was part of a set by Childcraft. I have read it to my grans. Most of this volume is Mother Goose rhymes and old fairie tales.

My daughter, recently used another method. She recommended a book for me to get her 9-year-old for Christmas, as she said,"We usually get our books at the library, but this has 149 holds on it, so I figure it must be good." I bought it without examining it this past weekend and wish i had time to read it. It looks delightful --The Thief Lord by Cornelia Funke, a German author who is quite popular in Europe and who has won some awards. The illustrations are terrific -- little pen and ink sketches of present day Venice -- they remind me of Janet Langton's. Reading level seems more for teens than 4th grade, but daughter and SIL read aloud a lot with the kids, even books they can read themselves. (Sometimes one of them will read ahead and then the others get unhappy.)And tomorrow the Seattle package must get in the mail.

Bill H

Bill H

Losalbern

For a few years I sent newsletters but seem to lack the creativity for doing so lately. I do look forward to some of the newsletters that arrive but some do seem a bit braggy. For a few years, I wrote mine to the rhythm of a poem or Christmas song and really enjoyed doing them. One year I put out what looked like the front page of a small newspaper with little headlines over each article which pertained to my family members. Mostly I tried to entertain people with the news using humor a lot. I have kept a few of them somewhere and take them out to wonder where my ambition has gone. My getup 'n go has gotup'n went!!

For all of you here: Have a merry one!

Nellie, this has been a fun discussion. You have done a super job of helping it along.

Now, Ms Anna, what do you have up your sleeve for us to peruse, discuss, diseminate this time??

Bill H

Well, when I was looking, I found this interesting site about the Chinese traditional New Year food and thought you might like to read it. Chinese New Year

Mal, a friend of mine from Scotland told us about that tradition of the dark haired man. She said her brother who had coal black hair used to "hire out" to the neighborhood so everyone would have a year of good luck.

In Scotland, New Year is called Hogmanay, and in some villages barrels of tar are set alight and rolled through the streets. Thus, the old year is burned up and the new one allowed to enter.

Scottish people believe that the first person to enter your house in the New Year will bring good or bad luck, and it is very good luck if the visitor is a dark-haired man bringing a gift. This custom is called first-footing.

The song, Auld Lang Syne is sung at midnight on New Year's Eve, and this custom is now celebrated all over the world.

This is another interesting site as it has a bit more about many different ethnic traditions. Many traditions

There's a New Year's Eve tradition
The Highlands celebrate,
A superstitious ritual
Foreboding this year's fate.



Once midnight has been ushered in
With merriment and glee,
Attention turns to the front door,
Awaiting anxiously.



The first visitor to set his foot
Across the entryway
Will affect the family's fortune,
Profoundly, so they say.



With bated breath, the Scots hope for
An unknown passerby,
For a stranger carries with him
A year's good luck supply.

Anna, back in the thirties, I had an uncle that would shoot a gun into the air as the bells were ringing, however, I'm not sure if they were blanks ) The rest of us would blow play horns or ring bells, and Auld Lang Syne was a given.

Mal, thank you for that rhyme, but now-a-day with all the crime and violence that stranger may best serve us by continuing on his way.

As to the Rose Bowl parade, it has become an expensive affair to attend if you want to sit down. And, there are even tours advertised to the California which take you to the parade and give you a bleacher seat plus dinner afterwards. When we lived in Torrance, I always wanted to work on the float that they did every year but couldn't find anyone else who would join me. It sometimes meant long nights and drives from the float area so I wanted some company on the trip. Several years, the Torrance float won honors of some kind or another.

š jane›

Looks like we all will be doing something for New Year's this year from eating herring in sour cream with onions to trying new saurkraut dishes with pork plus the Chinese traditions. Here's the Chinese traditions page. I will put it up again for Pauline Reynolds. Chinese New Year

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Bill H

Imagine how wonderful that would be to be a part of the reconstructoin and restoration of a person's  fractured or surgically removed  facial bones.   Could anyone possibly object to donating to Mrs. Pitt's plight?  They say that we all have a double somewhere and with the amount of refashioning it would take I don't think that I would be recognized as "Andy" anyway. If I were--- so what?   Ethical/Moral- 'splain it me.

January 5, 2003 - 08:45 am

I'm with Alf - I can't imagine why this type of transplant would cause any more "moral/ethical dilemma" than donating any other body tissue. My "organ" donation instructions are to harvest any usable body tissues/organs/parts - from kidneys and corneas to veins, bones, and skin for transplants or tissue banks.

Annafair, the question that immediately came to my mind was what prompted you to choose this topic. It should prove to be interesting to see what other posters and lurkers have to contribute. Thanks, as always, for your great choices and moderation skills.

Mary

Malryn (Mal)

January 5, 2003 - 09:06 am

Some time ago my former husband, with the help of the research team who works for him in one of his scientific businesses, created an artificial skin, which works successfully without rejection in burn patients and other patients, from pigskin. Pigskin is very similar to human skin. The F.D.A. would not approve of the use of this method in the United States, though it is now widely used in Europe.

Mal

annafair

January 5, 2003 - 09:09 am

Lost my contact but have copied what I wrote and here is is I HOPE

I intended to be here bright and early. The weather turned really cold 24 for our area and I just slept in. Glad you found us.

I keep thinking about this and thought if we donate our eyes than why not the whole face? But I also think we have a worry here about someone using it for dishonest purposes as well. Although I cant imagine anyone undergoing needless surgery for any reason.

Mary the idea just intrigued me..It was a new concept, at least for me and for the people who have lost part of their face due to all the mentioned reasons. About the time I read this we had an article in our local paper about a policeman who was burned severely and had to have numerous skin grafts to give him a face. In the picture it looked like his face was a leather mask. He has courageouly continued with his job and his family and friends are just glad to have him with them as is. It made me feel humble. anna

MaryZ

January 5, 2003 - 09:13 am

You're certainly right, Annafair, it is an intriguing possibility. We have an organization here called FACES (I don't know what the letters stand for - I'll have to look it up), and local plastic surgeons do charity work rebuilding primarily facial deformities in indigent children. We frequently have children here from poor areas in Mexico and Central America who stay for lengthy periods of time (at no cost to their families) to have multiple facial reconstructive surgeries.

Mary

MaryZ

January 5, 2003 - 09:14 am

Here's the link to their web site.

http://www.faces-cranio.org/

Mary

annafair

January 5, 2003 - 09:19 am

We have doctors and nurses here that do the same and whenever they do a special article on them and thier work ...I feel so grateful for all who participate. They are such a caring group and the results are so amazing. To see the children and the parents afterwards smiling and with that wonderful "can this be true" look just touches my heart. anna

annafair

January 5, 2003 - 09:24 am

Apparantly it works since you say it is used in Europe. I dont know why we hesitate and yet I understand their is a reluctance to approve a new method.

What is interesting to me ..years ago a dear friend underwent experimental surgery ( I no longer can recall the exact body part ..it was 40 years ago) where they used an organ from a pig to replace a cancerous one in his body. The experiment failed but I have always considered him a special human, willing to take a chance and also willing to help others. anna

angelface555

January 5, 2003 - 12:48 pm

Criminals have used facial reconstruction for years, if they used this method, it would just be business as usual. There would also be just as many people working to stop them, so I think it is a non issue.

I think donating to save someone else is a noble thing to do for the right reasons. I see absolutely nothing wrong in medical science helping people to have some degree of normalcy in their lives.

Faithr

January 5, 2003 - 01:11 pm

Is there some question proposed here that such surgery as a whole facial reconstruction material for donation would be immoral? I don't think so. What can be done with the heart isn't immoral is it. Well in my opinion of course, as we none of us can speak for others it is a blessing to think that a person could be saved a life time of being Masked.

I managed a cafeteria once in a hospital and it was common to see facial disfigurements in the line. I never became accustomed to looking directly at some of the disfigurements. I did it when I had to take over out on the line for some reason but it was difficult. I would bless any MD's who could rebuild a "face" and if anyone would want mine as a donor it would be ok by me. I would obviously not be of this world by the time they would want what ever they took anyway. Seems like a non question to me anyway. faith

annafair

January 5, 2003 - 02:02 pm

That seems to be the consensus here but apparantly the doctors are not sure. I know when I mentioned it to gathering in my home..they seemed to think the idea was gross.

Is it possible mature adults ( seniors ) would view this differently than someone in their 30's or 40's? Just a thought.

A lot of seniors I know not only were willing to donate organs but donated thier bodies to science. Some had been alcoholics most of thier lives and died from liver disease. The children complied with thier parents wishes but there was some reluctance.

Or we viewing it differently than the doctors or younger people?

anna

MaryZ

January 5, 2003 - 02:43 pm

At one point in my life, I had signed the papers to donate my body to Vanderbilt Medical School. At the time, our kids didn't really like to think about that (maybe just not wanting to think about death getting that "close to home").

As various transplantations became more commonplace, I decided that, when I was through with it, this poor old body might be of more use as spare parts. Our four daughters all know of my wishes, and seem to have no problem accepting them. We have had some jolly conversations about what they're going to do with the ashes from what's left. (The one they seem to like is having the ashes strewn from a low-flying plane along the beach where we go each summer, with the plane's towing a banner reading "Happy Trails, Mary" [that's another story].) John has made his own plan for his ashes, but that's his story.

Mary

ALF

January 5, 2003 - 07:11 pm

Faith, in the url link above this physician questions whether this would be a moral/ethical dilemma. It specifies that he did a survey on medical personnel.

Faithr

January 5, 2003 - 08:36 pm

Gee, I wouldn't think that would be a moral dilemma for a physician. If it were possible to remove a face..here I am talking about the whole thing down to the bone and transplant it why not. Personal opinion is there is no contraindication on moral grounds, only on medical grounds, same as heart or kidney etc transplants. In fact I think it would be wonderful if it were possible to save the life of a young burn victim in this way. We lose many young people to accidents and disease who could be the donors and if it would work(and I dont think it would it is too complicated) think of the benefits to that victim.

I don't think it is a moral question as cloning is. And sometimes I don't think that is a moral question. Just, who would be the judge of what and who could be cloned. We already use the technique for a lot of stuff. faith

angelface555

January 5, 2003 - 10:07 pm

My daughter was cremated after she was a donor and her ashes were placed in the church sacristy as I felt putting her in the earth was obscene. Some would argue that cremation was obscene. People have different viewpoints.

I have arranged for my body to go to medical science and the remaining ashes to be placed next to my daughter's ashes. I think that as you grow older and hopefully more rational, you become used to the idea of the body being but a shell for your spirit, soul or essence. A younger person tends to be more attached to the physical body then a senior would be, less experience or sense. That is the crux of it.

annafair

January 6, 2003 - 04:34 am

it seems we rather agree that seniors see things differently. As we age most people become more accepting and less concerned with what happens to our "Shell" when we die. I know when I was younger the idea of cremation was "Whaaaaat?" now I will be cremated and placed with my husbands ashes. Although to be honest I think I would prefer them being released in the Rockie Mountain area.

This is another link which is mostly the same but did have a bit of difference. I get the feeling the doctors are ready but dont wish to proceed until there is a debate about the subject. Well we are doing just that! So perhaps we ought to let them read how we feel about the matter.

Check it out ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/health/2516181.stm

It does address the idea How will the patient FEEL when they awake with a new face? anna

Coyote

January 6, 2003 - 08:36 am

I think most everyone is forgetting a big part of identity - not the face but the thoughts and acts which give it the life it has. A multiple personality person can have the same face, yet look very different when they are thinking/acting/feeling in one way than they do in another. Remember the incredibly different faces of Ted Bundy? Or how about the way little kids perceive their mothers to be sweet beautiful mothers one minute and ugly evil witches the next? I believe the differences in the way the face muscles are used, the hairline, the underlying bone structure, teeth, etc., would make a transplanted face quite different than it was on its original owner. The face might be the same, but the personality of the wearer would make it his own.

I wonder if a woman's face could be transplanted on a man? With his hormones, it would grow a beard, so would definitely look more male than female. No problem with her identity being stolen that way.

BaBi

January 6, 2003 - 09:58 am

A facial transplant. That was news to me. The only possible ethical problem I could think of was for the family of the deceased. I was thinking it might be extremely painful for them to see the face of a loved one on someone else. However, as I understood it, the article said that even a total transplant would result in a face slightly different from the original, so that should not be a major issue.

I think it is simply that (1) the idea is new and startling, and (2)there is something much more personal about one's face. One's self identity is obviously more connected to the face than to an internal organ or an eye. Personally, once I'm through with this body, I would be happy to have any useful part of it 'recycled'. ....Babi

annafair

January 6, 2003 - 11:13 am

That is an interesting idea......a female face on a male..or vice versa..I have no idea but it is something to think about. I suspect it would not make a difference ..I do wonder about the size..some people have small faces ie would they cover a larger bone structure?

In my heart I sincerely hope there is hope for the severely disfigured if they choose this route but I wonder if it were me if I would choose to have a new face if needed. If waking up to a new face as result of the plastic surgery ( not for beauty but for need in case of burn etc) would be hard to adjust to I wonder what it would be like to awake to a face that is mobile, covering whatever features I may have left how I would feel. I am not sure the problems of dealing with that wouldnt be harder than have a scarred face.

The more I think about this the more I feel a concern. I am sure it will be done sooner or later and it will be interesting to see how it works and how the patient deals with it ...anna

annafair

January 6, 2003 - 11:15 am

Well I guess we are really mature people when we can say ...Hey I am finished with this "shell" and I really dont care what you do with it. Although I have to admit I am rather fond of it while I still inhabit it. anna

Faithr

January 6, 2003 - 02:03 pm

Well I wake up to a new face every few weeks. I am almost 76 now and when I look at pictures of me from baby on thru teen young married etc and up to now the face is radically different evry few years. I don't think it would be difficult to become accustom to a new face. We do it all the time though not over night to be sure. fr

kiwi lady

January 6, 2003 - 03:24 pm

No one in their right mind would want my face. I have never been a person who could be bothered with constant skin care. Its lasted pretty well considering!!! LOL. However they would need to do a face lift at the same time due to my sun damage round the eyes from many years of boating. Look at Denis Connor's wrinkles round his eyes- thats me! I think they would be more inclined to use good skin. I would definately be classed as a second!

Carolyn

annafair

January 7, 2003 - 09:14 am

It seems we are willing to give up our faces but as several say and I am among them...I dont think anyone would want them. And I am sure the doctors would prefer, maybe even say a younger skin is better.

Each time I do one of these discussions I find myself continuing to think about the subject. Lots of times your posts inspire me to think deeper and delve into the subject matter so I thank you for that.

We dont seem to mind if doctors use our face and body parts after we no longer need them, but what about younger people? And what if you have to make a decision about one of your children or grandchildren?

My youngest daughter is only 35 and is really a beautiful person and has a beautiful face. Could I allow the doctors to use that face, so dear and precious to me if she should die before me? How would a family deal with the fact organs need to be removed soon as posible? How could you have closure if there wasnt that last time to look on thier face before you say goodbye?

Other organs would not be missed but a face? I can see why the doctors want a good debate about this idea. So I have been thinking and now await to see what you think. anna

Malryn (Mal)

January 7, 2003 - 10:25 am

I really don't think a whole face would be transplanted; portions of it, yes. How many times have you said, "Doesn't that woman look just like so and so?" Perhaps one might be reminded, but most of the time I believe we wouldn't even notice if somebody else had our ears or our nose. Remember, there's going to be a lot of plastic surgery involved which would probably bring about changes.

Mal

BaBi

January 7, 2003 - 12:01 pm

Anna, that was the point I was making about the feelings of the family possibly being an ethical consideration. And you are right, of course, that younger skin than ours would be more flexible and adaptable.

At the same time, KIWI, I think even sun-wrinkled faces would be preferable to burnt and mutilated faces. I guess the question now is whether younger people would be as ready to donate their faces (post-mortem, natch) as this older group appears to be. ...Babi

Faithr

January 7, 2003 - 01:30 pm

Babi in my youth I did not want cremation either nor would I sign a donor card. I just was hanging on for dear life to my physical being. I matured and went through the grief of losing family and friends to death. I began to realize that the essence of a person is what matters not the physical which winds up dust anyway you look at it. I think most youth would not want to donate their face in the sense that it identifies us. It is the first thing that starts making connections in a babies brain...the face. And it is very personal but dead is dead though it seems sometimes we can maintain denial of that right up to the end of our lives. fr

Malryn (Mal)

January 7, 2003 - 01:54 pm

I am convinced that we believe what we want to believe and hear what we want to hear. I have just read an article which states that usually a face transplant would be fat and skin, leaving the original bone structure intact, thus facial characteristics would not change. In the case where some bones were transplanted, this article said, there might be some resemblance to the donor, but not enough that a person could say, "Oh, heavens! There's my long gone nephew."

We've been through this ethical thing about transplants before. This is no different. A part is a part, not a whole living person. Right? If my automobile has a rebuilt engine that once belonged to someone else's car, would that car be his or mine? Mine! There's not much difference between that and replacing body parts, in my opinion.

Mal

angelface555

January 7, 2003 - 02:28 pm

I thought that the expectation in a skin graft would be that the grafted skin cells would regenerate and grow, causing new skin. This along with what Mal has posted, would make the ethics inconsequential.

My daughter died at 18 from a brain tumor caused by a skin cell going to the wrong place. Ironically she had signed a donor card after seeing a burn documentary and had wanted to provide skin for burn victims. Because of the tumor, they weren't able to use her skin. Her heart was taken apart and went to four people. Two received the gift of her eyes. Altogether, she helped eight people. This is what she wanted and I had no wish to contradict her. She was a loving person and wanted people to be helped if she could. I think deep down, all of us would feel that way.

annafair

January 8, 2003 - 08:08 am

Angel your poignant post touches me...yes we should all feel that way but many people obviously dont.

I read a similiar article Mal about what they can do but there must be something else that concerns the doctors since it would seem they want approval and feel a need for a debate on the question.

With any new idea regarding a medical decision it would seem there are aspects we as layman may not think about. I wish the doctors were more forthcoming as to thier concerns. That would help.

If my family members signed a donor card there would be no problem,it would be honored. Of course it is not going to be my decision as they are married and have children so it will be up to them. Grief also has to have an effect on any decision one might make. Angel I think you were very attune to your daughter and her wishes and were able to honor them. I am not sure everyone can or would do that. Just thinking this am..anna

Nellie Vrolyk

June 23, 1999 - 01:48 pm

Hello all! I wouldn't be concerned over someone having my face after I am dead; after all, I certainly won't be needing it any longer at that point.

Maybe the doctors are concerned as to what would happen if the face transplant did not take or failed for some reason; in which case the patient, who received the transplant, would be worse off than before.

I think it would be strange to be the recipient of a facial transplant, even if one were only getting the lips or nose and not all the features; for every time one looked in the mirror, one would see those features and be reminded of the person who donated them. Not that it would be a bad thing to be so reminded.

Interesting subject and good choice, Annafair!

angelface555

January 8, 2003 - 12:48 pm

Hi Nell;

I wonder if a person doesn't also feel that way with a cornea or a heart; or other major organ donation? I think it would be natural to wonder about the donor.

annafair

January 8, 2003 - 06:53 pm

Angel I think any time someone is given the gift of life through a donor there would have to be some interest in who. There are a lot of stories I have read about the results of organ donations and how it affected the donee. A year or so ago a young man was killed in an auto accident I believe in Italy and his parents donated all viable organs and made an enormous difference for several persons. I would like to think I would think that way. Since it hasnt been done ...at least that seems to be what the doctors are saying ..perhaps they are concerned with whether the person who needs it might be unhappy with what they get. And of course when the doctors say a new face or parts etc they may be raising expectations which could result in disappointments. It is an intesting matter...and in one article it mentioned the fact it has been in a movie and in fiction...so again we can see some justification in the saying..What man concieves he can accomplish...I am not sure that is the correct saying but it means the same..my mind seems to be slipping this evening...anna

Diane Church

January 8, 2003 - 07:41 pm

I believe as most of you do - if anyone can use any part of me after I'm through, I'm more than happy to help.

That being said I do wonder about a few things. I'm thinking of a (true) book I read a few years ago about a middle-aged woman who had received the heart of a young man killed in a motorcycle accident. After the transplant had successfully settled in, the woman (and her family) started noticing some surprising new behaviors and tastes in the woman. Sorry, I can't remember details but I guess it might have been new food likes or dislikes that turned out to have been those of the donor. Also, maybe a new love of speed, rollercoasters and the like whereas previously she had been a little timid about such things. This would be no reason to NOT do transplants but I think it would be something to be aware of. Well, for example, what if a diabetic received the heart (or another organ) of someone who had a real sweet tooth? Could be a problem.

Relating to the face transplant thing,I guess it's possible that someone could receive the face of someone whose looks suggested a totally different personality. You know how they say that after 50 we create the type of face we deserve - or something like that. If that DID happen, then I wonder if the face would change again into one matching the new personality. Gee, all this is stuff of late-night movies which I didn't mean. Just that there are a lot of ramifications and shouldn't be gone into without a lot of thought.

Arast

January 8, 2003 - 11:22 pm

Reading all this I think of that young man who as a boy his father poured gas on him and set him afire - I've seen him on a TV program and thought how difficult it must be to get up each day trusting in a God and feeling positive with the absence of a face that he covers some with a pulled down baseball cap. I would think any face old or young where he had features that operate as we so take for granted.

annafair

January 9, 2003 - 08:52 am

Oh I remember that too. It was a horrible story and makes me wonder about humanity. SO much does anyway but you are right ..I am sure he would welcome a chance to look like a person again.

I do worry about the expectations of those who would need this type of surgery. And I hope for those who need and desire this it will be successful and give them a chance at a normal life.

Diane that is an interesting thought as well. Who knows ...and all of it is like a science fiction story only it is not fiction. anna

Coyote

January 9, 2003 - 03:02 pm

I had a friend in grade school who had burned most of his face somehow. He got along fine in our school because we all knew each other - was class president in 8th grade if I remember right. During his high school years, he worked at a drive in theater where he worked in the semi dark a lot of the time. I have no idea what happened after that, but he was very bright, so I often wondered. Hopefully, he had some plastic surgery repairs to some extent, but the best of such surgery never looks totally natural.

Barbara St. Aubrey

January 9, 2003 - 04:13 pm

This seems to fall so in line with how much we in this nation value what people look like - on Europe TV talent is hailed regardles warts, age and all - there is even a comedian now saying how we didn't really listen to Goberchof (spell oh my) as he was describing the fall of communism because we were more concerned with how he could do a better job of covering that thing, that birth mark on his forehead. Some nations we have recently been reminded hide their faces where as here every emotional button is pushed when an advertisment suggests that we can look better if we use or do such and such. To be loveable you must look good or else you are not loveable.

Wow - but look at it, even Universities are more concerned with their image, winning football and a building project than with having a large number of tenured professors, so that part time professors are the rule today. We know without the carrot of Tenure there is not the investment made by a department in grooming a professor - the Universites money is going toward looking 'good' which is observed as success, not what is in their warehouse, the professors that educate our young adults.

Diane Church

January 9, 2003 - 05:11 pm

WELL said, Barbara! You make excellent points.

Although, I do think the gist of this conversation is directed more to those who might have no face or, at best, a badly disfigured face. Not so much to those who might feel they have unattractive features or maybe too many wrinkles - that kind of thing.

annafair

January 10, 2003 - 09:44 am

How we look and how we dress etc seems to be more important than anything else. I certainly agree with that and it is sad it is true. Perhaps if we would focus on the inside of a person instead of the outside everyone would be better off.

The people who NEED a new face, not out of vanity or a wish to be merely free of wrinkles etc would love to just look like a person again. I hope sincerely this transplant will be successful. The more I think about it ...and it does require thought for all the reasons we have covered I hope it will give the scarred and maimed help.

It is too bad good manners have been ignored. I cant imagine my parents ever allowing me to judge someone by thier looks or disabilty.

I will be watching to see what the doctors in England do and I wish they could read the comments here. I think it would help them make the decision to go ahead. anna

BaBi

January 10, 2003 - 12:42 pm

Diane, I was thinking about what you told us, ie., the story of the woman who had some changes in tastes and behavior after a transplant. I can't imagine a donor organ effecting the recipients behavior, etc. But I can imagine that a person who has been given a new lease on life might have a change in attitude toward that life; one that would cause her to be more open and receptive to new experiences. Nothing like nearly losing something to make you appreciate it more and make the most of it. ....Babi

angelface555

January 10, 2003 - 01:06 pm

I have a hard time believing that a new face stretched over your own bones and fat and other body parts would look anything like someone else.

I do wonder if perhaps they, (the doctors); may have been more worried about the one receiving the transplant. That they may have unrealistic expectations about the new "face."

I also don't believe, along with Babi, that a organ transplant alone could give you new tastes that didn't come out of your own feelings from the situation.

Diane Church

January 10, 2003 - 01:33 pm

Darn - I wish I knew the name of that book. But that was the point - no one expected anything at all like that to happen. And it took a while for these subtle changes to even be noticed. And it was some time before the organ recipient and her family got together with the donor's family so that these changes could even be discussed, or matched up, as it were. The book was well documented and I just can't remember if there were photographs or not. And I do believe that I've read of similar results from other transplants.

annafair

January 10, 2003 - 02:41 pm

Cant help with the idea of a transplant changing a person's tastes etc. But I have lived long enough to know ANYTHING seems possible. If all parts of our bodies have DNA then perhaps it is possible for some of it to mix with transplant donee. I hope that is not far fetched but then the idea of transplanting a face seems far fetched.

I thihk of people I know who have died years ago who could have been saved if they had lived longer or born later in life. Medical miracles are happening every day ..who knows what we learn next?

Everyone has contributed good thoughts and suggestions here and that is why it is a pleasure to lead and participate in these discussions...anna

annafair

January 12, 2003 - 09:23 am

It seems after the first few articles about face transplants there have been no other. I think perhaps so much is going on in the world people are not really worried about what may or may not happen in other areas.

I was thinking though that if war is inevitible face transplants may be used. There are so many reasons in life to think about transplants of all sorts and how we feel about them.

As we age we care less about what will happen to what is left when we die and are ready to allow medicine and science to hopefully find solutions for the living. I think we have come a long way since I was a little girl.

anna

Barbara St. Aubrey

January 12, 2003 - 10:44 am

Anne I think you are right as we see young families now being seperated as troops are deployed - I which we understood language as well as we now can replace body parts like car parts.

I recently learned that language is the engine to a persons morality, philosophy, values, habits etc. And because of the differences in languge we hve minds taking various paths in the woods so to speak - That it is not just having the ability to translate words but, words have different shading of meaning and a history behind them. As the body has memory seperate from mental memory that brings about various knee jerk reactions well words do the same. This whole N. Korean thing could very well be as a result of very different understanding behind the words as the two languages, Korean and English are different enough to make for very different philosophies and habits.

And so the idea of adding someone elses body parts is interesting - if it contains body memory how is that memory connected to the new body - and if it is connected by language where does language eminate. Because from what I have read body memory does not have to go through the brain unless it is described, which then it does require language whether it is spoken or written language.

It has been rainy and cold yesterday and today - I want to shut off the TV or even (I can't believe I am saying this) have a football game on as background sound and curl up with a book and make believe the world ends in my backyard. I am tired of being torn up over so many major issues - and God bless anyone living without a warm cozy house that has adequate food in the cupboards and medical care surrounding them today.

Malryn (Mal)

January 12, 2003 - 11:14 am

There have been many skin grafts done for a long, long time. I don't see any of those people reflecting changes in personality or anything else.

I had a muscle transplant when I was ten years old, but the muscle was my own. That operation was over 8 hours long, done in an amphitheater in the Children's Hospital in Boston, under the auspices of the Harvard Infantile Paralysis Commission, with doctors and medical students watching. I spent four weeks in the hospital, four more in a kind of nursing home. That operation did nothing for me.

Mal

annafair

January 12, 2003 - 01:06 pm

I think this may be the last. And every transplant is not successful. By Pass surgery requires using veins in your own groin and leg and I know a number of people who have done so well from the beginning it was amazing...others never survived the surgery or had continuing problems. So much depends on the skill of the doctors and the health of the patient.

Which is one reason this will be more than just doing a transplant but seeing how well it works. You might like to read this link. Perhaps we all are guilty of wanting more than medical science can really offer.

My mother died at 86 and lived a good life and I remember her doctor saying it was too bad new parts werent available for people as they are for cars. Perhaps we have gotten so used to having things replaced ( although that is also changing since we throw away things now as new is cheaper than repairing) we come to believe all science fiction is really true or will be ....

Check this link ...anna

http://www.scifitoday.com/story/2002/11/24/131248/76

Coyote

January 13, 2003 - 07:44 am

I am not very concerned with faces, transplanted or not. To me, it is the expressions on the face, or in the eyes of the person which are interesting. As far as good looks, a one time twist of the tongue says it all: A thing of joy is a beauty forever.

annafair

January 13, 2003 - 08:40 am

Beauty is only skin deep ...a saying we should all remember. Those that would benefit by a facial transplant would make it their face. Their smiles and personality would come through and that is what counts.

Even someone who has been disfigured can make a day bright with thier smile and attitude. Glad you reminded us......People who would need this type of surgery would be helped if the rest of society would stop judging others by their looks or where they live or the clothes they wear or the cars they drive we would ALL BE BETTER.

I remember when I was in my late teens meeting a young man my age with cerebal palsy...He had some physical defects and had been ignored by most he met but I struck up a conversation with him ...and he was one of the most intelligent young men I had met. A good sense of humor and just a joy to be with. All he required was some patience.

Well it is cold here and the weather man promises more of the same. Today I can stay in but tomorrow I have to go out and shiver!

anna

BaBi

January 13, 2003 - 10:28 am

Beautiful, BEN! And so true. Like Anna, I can recall a good example. I once knew a youth Minister who was terribly scarred on one side of his face. The first time I saw him, it was an undeniable shock. But as I grew to know him, I stopped noticing the scars entirely, as apparently did everyone else. The young people he ministered to adored him. I have found that if you look in people's eyes rather than at their faces, you can meet the real person. ...Babi

Diane Church

January 13, 2003 - 12:13 pm

Have you ever noticed that the better you know a person, the better looking they become?

Malryn (Mal)

January 13, 2003 - 01:15 pm

Funny to read what you write about visible physical handicaps, since I've had one almost all my life. Oh, the stories I could tell you about the reaction of people throughout my life.

Mal

Bobbiecee

January 13, 2003 - 02:49 pm

Diane....I agree with you in re a person who is beautiful inside. However, the opposite occurs with a person who is NOT beautiful inside. Do you agree?

Bobbie

Malryn (Mal)

January 13, 2003 - 03:07 pm

Forget the person who's inside because there isn't any. The person you see is the one you've got. Talk about the person inside is romantic talk. Accept me and others like me or not, I don't care. But consider what you're missing when you turn away. People like me never really think about what's inside people like you.

The point I'm making is that you are separating us handicapped, disabled, disfigured people from the rest of you. That's a kind of superiority on your part that we do not need. After all, aren't we really just like you? Think about it. There but for the grace of God could go you.

Mal

angelface555

January 13, 2003 - 03:28 pm

I ran into some discrimination when I went out with my father or my daughter when they were having difficulties. Many people are shallow or ignorant. Some are afraid to get too close in case its catching or because they fear seeing what they may become.

There were also good people who ignored the obvious and talked directly to my father and daughter, learning that both were sane and intelligent people with visible difficulties.

The ones that angered me were the ones who spoke only to me, asking me what my father or daughter needed or wanted. I would silently look to my daughter or father to answer. The silence was often enough to shame the person. There were some who would try to regain my attention or continue to try to repeat the question.

I also knew a man who was physically ugly with misshapen features. He worked in the audiovisual filming department of our local university. He held more then one degree and was quite fascinating. After only moments in his company, he became quite handsome and had no difficulties maintaining a social life.

I agree that we need to look at the inside of a person as well as the outside and intelligent people do. However, I do think we have been genetically programmed to look for and prefer beauty. There have been numerous studies published about this. It all goes back to initiating reproduction and getting the best possible genetic code for your offspring. This hardwiring goes back to the beginning of our genetic code.

Malryn (Mal)

January 13, 2003 - 03:37 pm

Is there no one who is willing to listen to what a genuine disfigured, handicapped person has to say? You all know best? Walk in my shoes. Wear my face. Live in my misshapen body that's like so many people I have known. Live our lives. Learn what it's like.

Bobbiecee

January 13, 2003 - 03:43 pm

Malryn,...I'm not sure what you're saying, but what I'm saying is not 'romantic' or trying to be superior. A beautiful personality makes a person beautiful whether handicapped or disfigured. An ugly personality in a person with a beautiful face makes that person ugly. I have one friend who is handicapped and all I see is the beautiful person he is, his personality, his sense of humour, his intelligence. My daughter has a close friend who was seriously burned in the Bali bombing, and who is disfigured. She too is a beautiful person, who is a real battler. She fought to stay alive, is now going through the grief of losing her husband in the bombing, but through it all has retained her positive attitude and sense of humour. It's a shame that you don't look for inner beauty in people. If you did that, perhaps more people would look past your handicaps and see a beautiful inner person....like with my friend, and my daughter's friend.

Bobbie

annafair

January 13, 2003 - 03:49 pm

On one hand I have met some of the most attractive people ...outside they were the kind of people anyone would welcome. BUT when you really got to know them ..they were shallow, incredibly self-centered and thought the world revolved around them .

Years ago when my husband was stationed on a base in Tennesse before desegragation we had several black officers in the squadron. The base was 17 miles from Nashville and the bachelor officer quarters left a lot to be desired. Pretty soon all of the white single officers had moved off base..several purchasing homes jointly where they entertained the squadron at get togethers. Leroy always showed at all the parties and one evening coming home from a party I asked my husband Why doesnt Leroy move into Nashville , those BOQ's are really dreary? I no sooner said it than I said OHH>>>I had forgotten Leroy was black. And I think we do the same to anyone with a visual handicap ...after we know them we forget the handicap..the same way after we find the beautiful person has a real handicap of a selfish nature ..we forget they are beautiful.

Perhaps instead of face transplants what we all need are new eyes to see the world as it is and still find it wonderful...just thinking ...anna

Bobbiecee

January 13, 2003 - 03:50 pm

BTW, Malryn...my husband came home from the Vietnam war both handicapped and somewhat disfigured, but he was a beautiful person, with a very loving wife and children and many friends. He was like my daughter's friend...a wonderful personality, a positive outlook on life...just glad he survived, a fantastic sense of humour. So, please don't tell me I have a superior attitude or see handicapped and disfigured people as 'different' or not beautiful. My husband walked in your shoes, lived in a handicapped body, but didn't let that stop him from living fully, and having the love and admiration of many, many people, including his wife and children. Instead of focussing on his handicaps and missing limb, etc, he compensated for that and lived life to the max. And was grateful to be alive.

Bobbie

Bobbiecee

January 13, 2003 - 03:51 pm

I agree with you, Anna.

Bobbie

Malryn (Mal)

January 13, 2003 - 03:54 pm

Bobbie, I don't need to look farther than what I see to know beauty in people because I don't question it. It's there, or it's not there. That's my point.

But that beauty you mention isn't any different in someone who's disabled or disfigured and someone who's not. Do you get my point? Some of you are discriminating because of physical characteristics that are not yours. Like why? she says in her total amazement and igorance.

Mal

Bobbiecee

January 13, 2003 - 03:57 pm

Malryn, I can assure you that I'm not one of those people, as I explained in my posts.

Bobbie

Malryn (Mal)

January 13, 2003 - 04:11 pm

Good, Bobbie. Why am I fussing? There'll never be true equality among the species, and attitudes will not change. Throughout history the disabled, disfigured and handicapped have automatically been slated as weaker in the selection process. Survival of the fittest was not Darwin's theme, but the idea surely did catch on. So be it.

Mal

patwest

January 13, 2003 - 04:31 pm

I think there are a several disabled, disgfiured people here on SeniorNet who post regularly.... and I don't imagine that we will ever know that they are handicapped until we might meet them at a luncheon or a Bash.

Malryn (Mal)

January 13, 2003 - 04:46 pm

You're right, Pat. There is a woman, for example, in the Writers Exchange WREX, a very sensitive writer, who suffered a debilitating illness at the age of two which has made her disabled in one way or another since then.

What would happen if we WREX writers met her at a luncheon or bash? The only example I can give is a luncheon in New York, given for me, where only one person knew about my handicap. When I went in on the arm of my son, a cane in my hand, the looks I received were those of astonishment. None of my friends in Cyberspace knew. Or if they did, they did not realize the extent of my disabiity. As always in that kind of situation, it took some time to assure them by the way I behaved that I was no different from what they are. When that was done, we had a pleasant luncheon and a lot of fun.

Pat, you had polio. You must know what I'm talking about here.

Mal

annafair

January 14, 2003 - 07:29 am

I just saw this fiesty lady with a cane! So many of my friends have had knee of hip replacement and use canes and I thought prehaps you had one or the other. In fact one of my friends now has both shoulders, knees and hips replaced. She laughed and said when she told me ...I was going to be cremated but now I wonder if my family would have any ashes but pieces of plastic and metal.You cant strew that!

I dont think there was any one livlier than PAt while we were in DC ..maybe Alf....she out walked, out talked when given a chance and just was the most enthusiastic person there. AND I can tell you there is a cab driver in DC that will never argue with a lady brandishing a cane. Hurrah for PAT ....anna

angelface555

January 14, 2003 - 10:28 am

I think the point Mal was trying to make is that a handicapped person should be viewed and treated the same as a non handicapped person. No better or worse,just as a person and not the handicap.

We are still seeing the handicap first and the person second. Its similar to the way we describe a person by color or by saying the one in glasses. She's saying that a person with a handicap doesn't want to be seen as just a handicap.

Coyote

January 14, 2003 - 12:47 pm

MALRYN - I know darned well you are different than most people. I have known you online long enough to think of you as one of the most ambitious, intelligent, talented and stubborn people I have ever met. Yes, I know you have a physical handicap, but these other differences are the way I personally define you.

Malryn (Mal)

January 14, 2003 - 02:13 pm

Angelface, what you said is exactly right. Anybody who wants to be seen as a handicap has something wrong with him or her. That works both ways! Anybody who sees the handicap as the most important thing about anyone has something wrong with them, too.

Stubborn, Ben? I'm laughing. Maybe it is stubbornness that keeps me plugging away at what I do. I'm glad you see me as you do, but what about all the many, many people in the world who don't know anything about that? Do they see me as that woman in the wheelchair, or do they see what I really am? Well, heck, this could apply to anyone, handicapped or not, couldn't it?

Mal

Malryn (Mal)

January 14, 2003 - 03:34 pm

Below is a link to an essay called "What is a Disability?" by Robby Iadeluca, which I think everyone in this discussion should read. The piano player in the illustration is Marcus Roberts, who is blind.

WHAT IS A DISABILITY? by Dr. Robert Bancker Iadeluca

Bobbiecee

January 14, 2003 - 05:50 pm

Malryn....I have been thinking about what you've been saying, and I do remember one incident that irritated especially me and my daughter, in re my husband. We were visiting my parents in SoCal and one of Mum's friends made a comment about how great it was that I was staying with my husband, despite his disability. I told her that I didn't consider my husband disabled, he is just the man I love, a most wonderful man, and a man who didn't consider himself disabled either, in fact, had done and was still doing more with his life than most people, and that his disability as she saw it, was his challenge and incentive to do everything he would have done without what she considered his 'disability' and perhaps more, including winning a medal from the disabled Olympics. I remember at the time that I told Krysti there was more of a tendency in the US for people to demand outward perfection....including mobs of make-up, etc, whereas in Australia, the battler who is willing to 'have a go' is honoured... a difference in culture. So, yes, I do accept that possibly there are people there who see your disability, and perhaps Bill and I would have felt it if we lived there.

That article was excellent, and I agree with it 100%.

Bobbie

annafair

January 16, 2003 - 08:47 am

I am in agreement, we are all disabled in some way or another. And Robby wrote an excellent essay about the different ways. It has been 24 hrs since I last visited this site and here you have added some thoughtful words and shared some important ideas. Thanks for giving us something to consider. anna

angelface555

January 16, 2003 - 03:26 pm

There are many areas of disability. As a child, I suffered convulsions and numerous high fevers. I had seven eye operations as a child and three as an adult.

My disability is vocational, basically. I have nerve damage from the fevers and have a loss of coordination at times and my pupils or actually the muscles governing them, tend to move and I often have problems judging distance and perspective. I am unable to drive or learn any electronic or close work due to this and of course my sewing or ballroom dancing is lousy.

But this is all and I don't feel the loss as I never had it. Some of the small digs and dings I receive because of this are only a taste of what others with more serious disabilities suffer. In my case, I discovered books and cameras, exploring in that way what I couldn't in others.

My point is that we must realize that all of us are handicapped in some way and it isn't always the most obvious one in the group. We need to think of everyone as imperfect in some ways but excellent in others.

annafair

January 17, 2003 - 12:28 pm

Well said and I always admire and appreciate those who overcome whatever disability they may have. My oldest daughter became legally blind in her late 30's. She had to learn to change her life around. In the beginning she was afraid to go anywhere alone. I mean if I took her shopping I had to stay with her because she couldnt see well.

Using programs for her computer that allows her to enlarge the letters until she can read them she has continued being a strong person. She writes, she has written a column a week for six years for a local newspaper. Was voted president of her Women's Club, does the News letter, organizes the annual fair to support the local food bank and the annual rabies clinic. She has the greatest support group where she lives, driving her wherever she needs to go. A couple of years ago she contacted writers in her locale and organized a writers group that meets monthly at her home.

In fact until recently to see her you would not know she cant see well. She has such a postive attitude most people who meet her are surprised when they find out she has a vision problem.

And while she is my daughter there are many others I know that also have a diaability. The good news is they have all accepted it and gone on ...with all the snow here (7') last night I just filled my little stove with wood and watched some DVD's one was about a young man who served jail time and was now out and trying to put the past behind him. One line I loved..Each day is like a new book. You open the first page and you never know it may be the only page in that book. So you just go ahead because you see there are lots of pages left. Perhaps not for you but they are there.

We have left behind the original discussion here. But perhaps we have touched a need to discuss something more important. Recognizing each person has a disability and loving them not in spite of it but because of it...and that is not bad..anna

Lorrie

January 18, 2003 - 08:42 am

As we wind down here, I think this would be a good opportunity to tell our discussion leader AnnaFair how much we have enjoyed these past two weeks and what a marvelous job this lady has done in leading us!

Please "stay tuned" for our next topic. We will have a guest Leader, our own Tiger Tom, and you will love his choice of subject!!

Lorrie

MaryZ

January 18, 2003 - 08:56 am

Great job, Annafair! And an interesting choice.

Mary

Ginny

January 18, 2003 - 09:46 am

Congratulations, Annafair!! Well done, two months of splendid discussion, what great points raised here, I've read every word and enjoyed the whole thing and the heading (I keep meaning to say) is gorgeous!

Can't wait to see what Tiger Tom has in store for us, he's going to be our First Guest Slot and we're quite excited to see what he's come up with!

ginny

GingerWright

January 18, 2003 - 11:36 am

Annafair I have enjoyed reading the posting on Face Transplants. Thank You very much for the subject matter I found it very interesting.

Ginger

Diane Church

January 18, 2003 - 01:03 pm

Annafair - you've displayed such a nice touch in leading this discussion along. I hope you will do others. Thanks for all the energy and thought you've put into this.

Faithr

January 18, 2003 - 01:13 pm

Annafair this has been most interesting. I enjoy so much this door which opens the opinions of my contemporaries to my examination. This could not happen in a oral discussion I opin. We all strive to be civilized, and well mannered, and treat each opinion with equal weight which does not happen in an oral forum. Thanks to all the participants for that.fr

angelface555

January 18, 2003 - 01:54 pm

I want to add my thoughts as well for a wonderful group moderator and an interesting subject. I would have never have expected half of the concerns and tribulations and small triumphs I have read here. Thank you Annafair!

robert b. iadeluca

January 18, 2003 - 07:15 pm

If I understand correctly, the two faces of Janus are meant to be of a positive nature -- being able to look backward as well as forward. Being able to see broadly. But the term "two-faced" has a negative connotation. I wonder why.

Robby

TigerTom

January 18, 2003 - 10:18 pm

All,

Welcome to yur "Nutty" discussion. Happy you
can join us. I thought that a little lighter subject
might be in order this time around.



I hope that in the course of these two weeks you
will learn a few new things about Nuts and their
uses.

If you click on and read the the link I believe you it
will give you a good start.

The ancients believed that Nuts could reverse the
Aging Process and give long life, since many
Nuts are good for the skin and are very healthy
perhaps they were on to something.

BTW, if you like Peanut Butter you might be interested
in commercialy produced Almond, Hazelnut, Cashew, Pistaschio,
and Macadamia Nut Butters Creamy or Crunchy. look similar
to Peanut butter and are good on Bread as sandwichs,
on Toast, or in cookies and other recipes calling
for Peanut Butter.

Hope you will join in. Recipe's are very welcome.
Also, any volunteers to try recipe's I may post?


Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 18, 2003 - 10:34 pm

Tiger Tom, Gee I did not know that there were other Nuts that are Nut buter but then I live in the Sticks. I sure would like to try other Nut butters so will see if I can find some in the bigger city not to far away.

Nutty, Ginger Here. ~~

TigerTom

January 18, 2003 - 10:38 pm

Almonds

The first Nut to be discussed is the Almond.
click on the link to find out more about it

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/a/almon026.html



It was believe at one time that Almonds prevented
intoxication. So pass the Almonds and the Beer.

Sweet Almonds sometimes give immediate relief of
Heartburn: Peel and eat six or eight Almonds. Might
be cheaper than those remedies advertised on T.V.

If you cannot drink Cows Milk and don't care for Soy
Bean Milk, try some Almond Milk

Almond Oil can be used in cooking in place Of Olive
or Peanut Oil.

Almond Flour contains practically no Starch and is often
used to make Cakes and Cookies for Patients suffering from
Diabetes.

Almond butter, Creamy or Crunchy: the Oil spearates so
the Almond butter must be stirred to mix in the oil.

If you are alergic to Peanuts perhaps Almonds would be
a good substitute.


Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 18, 2003 - 10:39 pm

Every thing in Curious Minds has had my interest and have enjoyed all of them. Thank You who ever thought of this discussion.

Diane Church

January 18, 2003 - 10:52 pm

Good topic, Tiger Tom! This is more up my alley.

Looking forward to participating more in this one.

So, first off it's almonds, aye? Where we recently lived, there were lots and lots of almond orchards although vineyards were taking over rapidly in the last decade or so. I think almonds are the first tree to blossom in the spring and indeed, they were a spectacular sight.

A friend, who owned an almond orchard, and I used to "debate" over the relative healthfulness of walnuts vs. almonds. I usually came down in favor of walnuts but she accused me of reading only studies financed by the walnut industry!

Be that as it may, I'm grateful that in recent years the "authorities" have decided that nuts are actually good for us and no longer to be considered no-no's. Works for me!

We did find, thanks to the several almond trees on our property that there are several types, one of which had extremely hard meats. Another was much softer and, therefore, easier to eat.

Our first year living in our old home, we valiantly tried to harvest our own crop. What a laugh! We spread a large sheet under the best tree, knocked as many down as we could, then gathered them up to shell them. After that, we set the "naked" little nuts out to dry in the sun and promptly had the first rain for that time of year. I kid you not - we rushed them inside to protect from the remaining rain, carefully toted them out a few days later and it rained again!

From that time on, we left them to the birds and only picked ours from the health food store. But I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for almonds. And, they ARE good for us!

Faithr

January 18, 2003 - 11:01 pm

You would be nuts not to join in this discussion eh!!!! Faith

Prancer

January 19, 2003 - 07:42 am

Tiger Tom

Well, I'm a bit of a NUT, myself.

Oh, this is going to be an excellent discussion! I'm glued!

I must tell you I have already tried the advice about Almonds for Heartburn - and IT WORKED! Wish I had known that for years.

I have a cookie recipe to post later. I have tried it and like it very much.

Ta Ta for now.

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 08:22 am

Prancer,

You say the Almonds stopped your Heartburn!

I guess this disucssion will be worth it after
all.

Now, if someone could test to see if Almonds
prevent intoxication. Any Volunteers?


Tiger Tom

annafair

January 19, 2003 - 08:23 am

Having trouble staying on line and I find today my last post failed to make it before I was disconnected.

So before I praise Tiger Tom for what I can see is going to be a VAIRYYYYYY INTERESTING DISCUSSION ..let me try to remember what I said in the missing post.

First I wanted to thank everyone for thier participation. A discussion is only as good as the people who paricipate and WE HAVE GREAT PARTICIPATORS HERE...Each one added a voice and shared their opinions and expierence. Thank you so much ...anna

annafair

January 19, 2003 - 08:34 am

OH my Tiger Tom you have chosen a wonderful subject to discuss. While I love almonds and know how good they are for you I know prefer them ground in recipes or sliced thin. While eating ice cream with whole almonds I lost a tooth when I bit down on what must have been one those hard almonds so I am wary of munching on whole ones now.

I must try the health store and see if they have almond butter for that sounds really good. I have tried a number of the other nut butters and pronounce them all GREAT.

So glad we are now told eating nuts are good for us...I ate them anyway but it is good to know I was doing the right thing.

AND yes I will be happy to try any nut recipes. I use them in everything all ready. I dont add sugar to my cereal but do add a tablespoon of chopped nuts. And every recipe that seems to be enhanced by nuts I use them...of course that means most recipes!

Now if my computer will work I shall return...anna

angelface555

January 19, 2003 - 11:04 am

I also have tried and use several of the nut butters. I was surprised about disliking some of the more general and preferring some of the more exotic. I use nuts as a filler and will have to see if they will work for indigestion. Thanks, Tiger Tom for the info.

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 11:23 am

Annafair, Angelface,

Ever since reading about the various Nut
Butters I have been dying to try them. I know
I can buy them over the Net from a few companies
but I am reluctant to give out my Credit Card
number or use the Pay Pal. So, I am going to try
the Health stores.


Since you two have said that they are good
I will rely on your testimonials.


Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 01:15 pm

All,

Click on link for some interesting Recipes
using Almonds

http://www.pastrywiz.com/archive/category/almonds.htm
Try one, You will Like It


Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 19, 2003 - 03:01 pm

I love all nuts but the almond is a particular favorite. I use them in cooking and just eating. When I was a kid one of my favorite candy things was candy coated almonds. They had them all year but mom bought them at easter and they were all pretty pastel colors. I remember her putting them in little muffin papers and setting them beside our Easter dinner plate with a toothpick with a little sticker on it that had our names which dressed up our festive dinner. Those almonds will always be a part of my memories. Like candy canes for christmas. Other people remember chocolate easter eggs or rabbits or something but I remember Candy covered almonds.

Prancer

January 19, 2003 - 03:34 pm

Baby Easter Eggs

I remember the children calling those candy coated almonds "Baby Easter Eggs".

I hadn't thought of that in years. Thanks for the memories, Faithr!

O'Sharny

January 19, 2003 - 03:42 pm

I love all kinds of nuts and was munching on dry roasted peanuts when I came to this discussion.

Candy coated almonds do bring back some nice memories.

Have known for sometime that they are healthy for us.

Diane Church

January 19, 2003 - 03:46 pm

What is that candy-like thing, is it Marzapan, that's made out of ground-up almonds? I used to love that as a kid - they made these candies to look like fruits - bananas, pears, etc. - all made out of almonds and then delicately painted. I don't think I've seen those in years and they would probably taste too sweet to me now but oh, what fine memories!

O'Sharny

January 19, 2003 - 03:52 pm

Yes, Diane, that is marzipan. Gave some to a friwend a few years ago and then bought some for myself as I never had them before. Sorry, I didn't like them. They are available in the candy stores.

Diane Church

January 19, 2003 - 03:57 pm

Thanks, O'Sharny - yes, marzipan is what it was. Not really like anything else I've tasted and, as I said, it would probably be too sweet for me now but as a kid, well, the sweeter the better, I guess.

Now there's something else gnawing at the back of my mind - a cold cream, was it Pacquins? And it had an almondy scent or something and I remember liking it a lot back then. For the scent.

losalbern

January 19, 2003 - 04:01 pm

I tuned in just a little bit ago and read all the preamble about nuts that Tiger presented and that created such an urge that I stopped what I was doing and got a small supply of mixed nuts and chewed happily on while reading all the postings. I am so glad to read that nuts are good for me! I love 'em! Losalbern

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 04:52 pm

Diane,

Many Soaps and Lotions have Almond in them.

Almond is good for the Skin, I am not sure exactly what it does, but something.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 04:59 pm

Recipe,

Here is a recipe for a dish.

http://www.almondsarein.com/recipes/grahamkerr/recipe6.cfm

Hope you like it.

Tiger Tom

tigerliley

January 19, 2003 - 05:07 pm

What a fun discussion....I all ways have nuts for snacks...all most every day....pecans , walnuts, and almonds being my favorites,,,black walnut ice cream.....ummmmm...and the little candy coated almonds were my mom's favorite thing.....I believe they are called "Jordan Almonds".... I am also fortunate enough to live close to a health food store which carries various nut butters and oils.......

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 05:24 pm

More Recipes

Here are a few more you might try.

http://www.oakleychamber.com/festival/recipe.html

I do hope someone tries one of these or any of the others I have posted.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 05:28 pm

Tigerlily,

Welcome. Maybe you can add to our lore and perhaps a recipe or two.

Lucky you, living near a Health store that
carries Nut Butters.

Health store in my area is closed on Sunday
so I will have to wait until monday or tuesday
to see if it carries any of the Nut Butters.


BTW, Nice Name.
Tiger Tom

Sasha 5113

January 19, 2003 - 06:00 pm

The almond scented hand cream was/is Jergens Lotion. Jergens anything, I think! And marzipan is an unholy waste of almond paste, which you can buy in nearly any grocery, I think. Makes tremendous macaroons, the kind without coconut. (So speaks another almond freak. I once worked for a guy who was convinced that almonds were a cancer preventive, and he may have been right.)

Faithr

January 19, 2003 - 07:45 pm

In the late 40's and early 50's I lived in our house in Fair-oaks which had almost 1/2 acre yard. We had olive trees on the back lot line and almond trees down the side of the lot. There was only one almond that produced and we were so use to cheap almonds in this area from all the orchards that we just let the animals have them. There was a big packing house devoted to almonds right here. My but almonds are very bitter when they first fall off the tree and are in that hard green skin. It is like the Pit of fruit, sort of like the inside of a peach or apricot isn't it. Did anyone ever read Art Linkletters book about the people in the Tibetan village that ate the pits of apricots? He said they were careful to just eat one or two in any one day as they contain some-kind of poison in larger amounts. And they ate apricots constantly (dried mostly to preserve them). He thought it keep them alive longer than average. Don't remember the actual name of the valley but it was interesting. fr

TigerTom

January 19, 2003 - 07:52 pm

Recipes,

Anyone looked at the recipes I have posted?

If NOT, I am going to throw a Tantrum.

I will run back and forth, throw myself on the
ground, beat my hands and feet on the groung<br. Scream loudly, jump up, do it all over again,
I'll show you. I throw some Classic Tantrums.
You want to see a grown man cry?

Please read the recipes and tell me what you think of them>

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 19, 2003 - 08:03 pm

Tiger Tom stop growling and dont oh please dont have a tantrum..it is awful to see a grown man cry so I went yes I did. I read the recipe of Graham Kerr for the chicken with almonds and it sounded so good I clicked on favorites to save the site and will definetly try that one. As to the ones from Oakley I believe I have made cheese balls just like that one.I learned how to blanch my own almonds to use in cooking. I make a pesto with blanched almonds instead of pinole(pine) nuts though both are very good. faith

patwest

January 19, 2003 - 08:53 pm

I do my own Chicken with almonds... but that was a good recipe...

We like almond slivers in greenbeans in a mushroomsauce.

Kathy Hill

January 19, 2003 - 09:27 pm

Ah almonds! I was teaching in southern Siberia in 2001 for a few months. At the corner market I could purchase about a pint of almonds for about 40 cents. Such bliss.

Interesting discussion this is. Who would have thought about nuts for a topic? Good one.

Kathy

Borealis

January 19, 2003 - 10:08 pm

TigerTom: You would never have a tantrum....no way..... not even if I say I am too lazy to follow recipes like that?

I have looked at the recipes.

so........

I expect you have looked at the recipes also. But have you tried them?

That is a lot of ingredients, and a lot of elaborate cooking - at least for the second link cited.

I use nuts a lot. I can make a delicious meal so easy with healthful ingredients as follows:

one green apple chopped

one handful of walnuts or almonds or cashews

one handful of yellow raisins

cut up a little sweet red onion

other vegetables, mushrooms, fruits as desired.

sprinkle with currie powder, chile powder,fresh ginger, spices or herbs

cook lightly in olive oil

Add a little cheese or tofu

Enjoy

Many variations are possible

I eat like this most evenings

I also drink some nut milks like almond milk. I do not have osteoporosis. At least not yet.

Thanks for inviting us here - this is indeed a change of pace

Cheers

Edith

GingerWright

January 19, 2003 - 10:42 pm

OH The Loveably Eatable Nut.

Wow I am glad you all answered Tiger Toms message as I could just that Tiger getting upset and then What. Yikes.

Prancer

January 20, 2003 - 05:51 am

Ah Ha!

Never try to tame a Tiger Tantrum; always give him his own way.

SOOO... Here you go, Tiger. One lovely Chocolate Sparkle Cookie.

MM-MMM- G-R-R E A T !

(Recipe to be shared in a later post)

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 06:53 am

Recipes,

Thank you ladies.

Thank you, Borealis, for the Recipe.

Prancer will look forward to the Cookie
Recipe.

Reason I asked you to look at the Recipes
is that I intended that part of this discussion
be devoted to recipes using the various NUTS.
However, I need to have an idea of what KIND of
recipes. I know there are many desserts using
Nuts but I have found that there recipes for
Soups, Salads, Sauces, dips, Meat Coatings,
PIzza's and the like. So, what kind would you
like to see?

Do any of you have a favorite recipe that
uses one kind of Nut or another in it? If so,
please share it with us.


Tiger Tom

tigerliley

January 20, 2003 - 07:00 am

TigerTom....oh yes I read your recipes.....I like recipes for salads with nuts in them and have two that I will be sharing.....I think they are exceptional and never tire of them....it is early morning here and have some unpacking I must do but will get them on later today.......great discussion....hey Tiger...I do better in these type of discussions than the political ones!!! lol.......I remember your thoughtful posts in some of those....I canceled all of them.....to contentious and I all ways left them feeling badly......

Coyote

January 20, 2003 - 07:41 am

First, I always think about my first experience trying to crack a walnut. My mother was busy when I wanted one, so gave me a hammer and a nut along with the instructions to put one crack down on the cement and tap the other crack with the hammer. I hollered back in, "Which other crack?" Of course, she said there was only one, so I argued and she got more impatient. But I was right. She had given me a three-sided walnut. (Since that time, I have always managed to latch onto strange nuts, but that is another topic altogether.)

Well, more seriously, my curious mind long ago realized something about food. Two kinds of food are the most concentrated form of nutrition out there, seeds or eggs, which contain nutrition for a new life at the start, and foods which are made to feed a new life just after birth. Nuts certainly fall right in there. The idea is to recognize them as concentrated sources of nutrients, like eggs or dairy products. All these foods aren't good or bad foods, just concentrated, so shouldn't be bolted down in huge quantities, but rather treasured and enjoyed in smaller quantities. Of course, nuts are great for storing away for winter treats - squirrels have been doing it for years.

Well, I like all nuts, those from shells and those two-legged ones, too, so I will stick it out here a while longer.

Ann Alden

January 20, 2003 - 07:48 am

One of our favorite salads with nuts is Waldorf Salad which just goes with everything but we seem to serve it with pork or a vegetarian meal mostly. In it are equal amounts of:

Waldorf Salad

Apples, chopped in small chunks and with peeling left on

Nuts that you like(we prefer walnuts)

Seedless Red grapes(my mom sliced these in half, me I am too lazy) or drained, canned pineapple chunks

Chopped celery

Mix(to taste) with a salad dressing such as Miracle Whip or any mayonaise.

Hawaiian Red Pear Salad

4 cups of lettuce(Romaine)

Two red pears, pared but not peeled, chopped into chunks

I cup of chopped(not ground) nuts(again we prefer, walnuts)

About one cup of either Feta cheese or Blue Cheese

Toss lightly(very lightly) with a French salad dressing of any kind, starting with about 1/3rd cup.

To comment on almonds, they are so good for you. There is a claim that they prevent illnesses but I forget which ones. I keep a small jar of almond butter in the fridge but really love peanut butter the best. Any good nut butter is good to eat. You can put it on sliced apples or in celery. Great for snacks! My nutritionest in California, back in the 80's, preferred that I use any nut butter except peanut. Why? I don't know!

Tom, I forgot to mention that I have had a bowl similar to your's in the header(refilled many times) of mixed nuts sitting on a table next to my husband's chair, all through the holidays. He and I have consumed three pounds of nuts since the holiday started. The mess we made was awful but worth every shell on the floor. We do try to be neat but hey, those nuts are just too good to pass up. I am just glad that they aren't peanut shells.

Coyote

January 20, 2003 - 07:52 am

We always made the Waldorf salad so it was almost a desert, usually served with turkey dinners. We used apples, nuts, celery and raisins, then used whipped cream for the dressing. Served in our big black salad bowl, the colors were so festive. The kids consumed great quantities for days after the holiday and, frankly, I prefered it to left-over pie the next day myself.

MaryZ

January 20, 2003 - 08:16 am

Ben - I'm like you! The nuts with shells are good, but the two-legged ones are terrific! and definitely my favorites!

Mary

Prancer

January 20, 2003 - 08:35 am

I'd better put this in

as it is the last day for Almonds...

Chocolate Sparkle Cookies

1/2 pound semisweet chocolate

3 tablespoons butter, room temperature

2 eggs

1/3 cup Sugar plus more for rolling

3/4 cup ground almonds

powdered sugar for garnish

Put the Chocolate in the top of double boiler and set over, but not touching, simmering water. After it melts, remove from heat. Cut up the butter and mix into the chocolate until melted.

Beat the eggs, adding sugar until ribbons form. Fold in the chololate/butter mixture. Add the ground almonds.

Refrigerate dough overnight.

Line cookie sheet with parchment paper and scoop cookies on leaving room between each cookie.

Bake at 325 deg. for 9 to 12 minutes.

Dust with powdered sugar.

BaBi

January 20, 2003 - 09:08 am

YIKES! I miss one day and there are 831 messages here!

Thanks for the red pear salad recipe, Ann. I know about the Waldorf salad, but not the red pear.

I LOVE NUTS. Almonds are my favorite, or no, maybe cashews are my favorite. Of course I love peanuts, too. Oh, well,..those three are definitely my favorites. Then there's pecans, which are an abundant crop here in Texas. Pecan pies, pecan cookies, pralines, pecans out of the bowl, in fudge, etc., etc. Walnuts are good, but really high in fat, as are brazil nuts. By the way, someone (Ben?)was peeling the almonds? Why was that? ...Babi

BaBi

January 20, 2003 - 09:11 am

PS</BS> Ann, what is the difference between 'pared' and 'peeled'? All these years I've thought it was the same thing. ...Babi

annafair

January 20, 2003 - 09:28 am

YES I checked those recipes and printed out some I wanted to try. Since I like ricotta there was one the called Almond Ricotta Custard I intend to try.

Marzipan ...ah I love that although it is high in calories...And I like it plain ..with no chocolate covering. And of course green beans would be naked if it werent for sliced almonds.

Years ago I had a fantastic chicken recipe that called for almonds and my bread machine makes a wonderful loaf of bread with sliced almonds in it. Every time I serve it people rave about it.

Who mentioned black walnut ice cream? Oh my goodness that is the best ice cream ...and from a cook book I have a recipe that is OLD OLD ..a pound cake with black walnuts ....

Tiger did you mention hickory nuts? Black walnuts and hickory nuts came every year when I was young from relatives who lived in the country and sent us a box. Required a steady hand to whack those nuts so we could eat the insides..oooops I am getting ahead ...

This is a great discussion...Lots of people are allergic to peanuts and most cans of nuts or anything with nuts has a warning sign that peanuts are processed on the same machine so beware.

I have to stop I am sitting here drooling ...thinking of how much I love all kinds of nuts and recipes with them...anna

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 10:09 am

Anna and Prancer,

Thanks bunches for the recipes.

Maryz and Benjamin, welome to the disucssion.

BTW don't worry about getting ahead. Schedule is just an outline nothing rigid. So if you have a comment on a favorite nut or a recipe containing another nut that the one being discussed, by all means let us see it.

Tiger Tom

Ann Alden

January 20, 2003 - 10:19 am

Babi, I have always thought that pared means core removal and peeled means peeled. Am I wrong? Oh never, never! hahahaha! Well, yes, I am! In looking it up, I found that pared does mean removing the peeling. See, we are never too old to learn------that we are wrong! Tee hee!

By the bye, in any salad where you use almonds, its best to use the slivered as the flavor is nicer.

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 10:39 am

Nut Butters,

If you would care to buy Some Nut Butters
online click on the link below.
http://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/GroupSubgroupItemList.asp?subgroupid=NUTBUT
Tiger Tom

MarkS214

January 20, 2003 - 11:00 am

Some of my best camping days were at "Almond Grove R.V.Campground. Off hiway #5 mid Calif. We parked on designated areas amongst the rows of trees. I use almonds and peanuts in my cookies. Rusty likes nuts too (you and him would get along great) We buy our nuts from "Trader Joes" and Walgreens..

Tiger Tom, I am sure nuts gave you all that energy you had in your TORRID past. Now in this folder, you can reveal to us, your fans and cyber family just how many nuts it took to become one. How many nuts to become a tiger? I believe I was always border line.. ...Rusty's Paw..

Ginny

January 20, 2003 - 11:11 am

Is there something wrong with a person who hates nuts? I hate nuts. HATE them. I like peanut butter but hate nuts. There is NOTHING I would put a nut in, I wonder why? Is that normal?

hahaha, now DON'T have a Tiger Tantrum, our Tom! ahahah

Love the heading,

no nut recipes from me, I hate them.

ginny

Borealis

January 20, 2003 - 11:26 am

wow - we need some traffic lights here - such a trail of peanut shells coming to the nuthouse - em er.. site for nuts.

TigerTom: I think a nice long milkshake is in order using nut milks, strawberries, and just a teeny hint of chocolate shavings on the top.

Congratulations on making this such a fun place

Edith

MaryZ

January 20, 2003 - 12:39 pm

Ginny, you and I are mirror images - I love peanuts, but can barely stand to be in the same room with an open jar of peanut butter. Sometimes I think our taste buds have their own sense of humor.

And I like cashews, pistachios, and almonds; will put up with pecans, walnuts, and macadamias when they're chopped up in cookies or cakes (will pick them out when they're whole); and would pass entirely on hazelnuts.

It's fun reading about everybody's varied like and dislikes.

Mary

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 12:52 pm

Rusty Paws,

Torrid Past? Me, you mistake me for some other Cad.

As for how many Nuts taken to become one: Just came by my Nuttiness naturally no help needed.

As for being a Tiger, I am the Pussy Cat variety very Harmless. Didn't take any Nuts at all.

Ginny, can't all like the same things. Pity you don't like the edible kind of Nuts. Hope you have a soft spot for the Human kind.

MaryZ You should try some of the Other Nut Butters. You might like one of them.

I LOVE Peanut Butter, like legions of other kids in North America I was raised on Peanut Butter Sandwich's. Not PB&J's, just plain Peanut Butter. In the old days when one had to stir the Oil back into the Peanut Butter and one got impatient as I did, the Sandwhich would stick to the roof of the mouth an awful lot. I loved to eat them, still do.

Tiger Tom

Ginny

January 20, 2003 - 12:58 pm

In Edit: WHOOPS! Sory, today is not Peanut Day!!! I will move this post here on January 29, in the Peanut Section Day!

Mary, you are funny, if you like peanuts why don't you like an open jar of peanut butter? I am the same way about...hold on...chicken noodle soup! Yes! An open can of chicken noodle soup will send me out into the snow hahahaah Did Tiger Tom ask about Human Nuts?

I don't know anything at all about almonds, are they as long a growing tree as the olive? I thought so, for some reason.

Peanut butter and banana sandwich. Peanut butter and jelly. Peanut butter and brown sugar! Peanut butter and pineapple! Make your own peanut butter (have any of you ever done that? I have).

My InLaws live on a farm near Claxton, Georgia, and it's there that this city girl saw her first peanut on the hoof so to speak, 35 years ago.

You go out in a truck and you dig up the whole plant? They are all over the roots of the plant. You pick them off, , being careful of some which are ...something...can't remember...green? Those will kill you or something, anyway you put the right ones in huge pot and boil them.

Boiled peanuts, a big treat here in the South, nothing like it, you can buy bags of them at football games and supermarket parking lots. I LOVE boiled peanuts!

ginny

geetoo

January 20, 2003 - 01:15 pm

Out of them at the moment, but just had a snack of english walnuts. I love almonds, especially in caramel corn, the purple box at Walmart. I buy them slivered too at our local grocery, they are plain and very crunchy. I believe they are a good source of calcium.

MaryZ

January 20, 2003 - 01:28 pm

TT, I don't know why I dislike peanut butter - but I always have. It was truly a labor of love when I made PB/J sandwiches for my kids' lunches.

I have a story about growing peanuts, too, but I'll be good and save it for the "peanut days" - if I remember.

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 02:37 pm

Health Store,

To the Health Store, the Health Store,

"With the Black Strap Molasses and the Wheat Germ Bread
Add a little Yogurt and you feel well fed"

Ah Health.


Bought some Almond Milk, good.
A Jar of Cashew Nut Butter, good but had to
be stirred which was a Bear; and some Almond
Nut Butter, which I didn't care for at all.
It may be that the Almond Nut Butter was produced
by the little, Local< Health Store that sold it.
If I can find a Jar of Commercialy Produced Almond
Nut Butter I will give it another try.

Have to wait until next week to buy the Hazelnut
Butter. Store was out of it today.

The Almond Milk I bought was commericaly produced
and quite good. Looked Like "Milk" so that was
one hurdle I didn't have to get over: Odd looking
Milk. Taste was very good considering it was warm.
I am wondering what it will be like cold. Also,
if it will be any good on Cereal. Will encourage
my wife to try it as Cows Milk really bloats her
and doesn't agree with her all that much. The
Almond Milk I bought was Low Fat.

Anyone want a tub of Almond Nut Butter?

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 02:56 pm

More Recipes

Here are a few more recipes: Main dishes,
Desserts, Cookies


http://www.nutsforalmonds.com/recipes/recipes.htm

Enjoy,

Tiger Tom

tigerliley

January 20, 2003 - 04:50 pm

This is a classic and well worth the effort to fix....I could eat tubs of it.......

1/4 cup sliced almonds

4 tsp. sugar

1/4 head iceberg lettuce, torn into bite size pieces

1/4 head romaine lettuce torn into bite size pieces

1 cup chopped celery

2 green onions chopped

1 11 oz. can mandarin oranges, drained

DRESSING:

2 tbsp. vinegar

2 tbsp.sugar

1 tbsp.chopped fresh parsley, if you have it...

1/2 tsp salt

dash of pepper

1/2 cup vegetable oil

Heat almonds with sugar over low heat in a heavy skillet, stirring constantly, until sugar is just melted and almonds are coated. Cool and break apart. Store at toom temperature. Combine all dressing ingredients in a screw top jar. Shake will to mix and refrigerate at least 3 hours or overnite...Combine lettuces, celery, green onions and oranges; toss with dressing. Add almonds and toss gently.........serves 4

When I first read this recipe I thought"no to much trouble".....then friend served it and I thought I had gone to heaven.......... The other salad recipe I was going to post has pecans in it so will wait until pecan time.........

Faithr

January 20, 2003 - 05:43 pm

Tiger Tom I love the Nutfarm site. I just spent about 30 minutes reading everything- practically, including the price lists. It seems worth while to buy there (online) if you are a person who buys online stuff. I live right in the heart of almond country so I know what the Arbuckle farm is like. faith

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 07:07 pm

Faithr,

I had only looked at the Recipes. After I read your post I went back and read much of the site.

The Almond seems like the Mighty Mouse of the Nut world. Didn't know so much was packed into such a small package. Amazing.

Tiger Tom

Lorrie

January 20, 2003 - 08:56 pm

Ann:

In your recipe for Hawaiian Red Pear Salad, you say: "Two red pears, pared but not peeled." I don't understand what you mean by "pared" if not peeled.

Lorrie

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 10:27 pm

End of Almonds,

So we come to the end of the Almond Discussion.

Tomorrow we start on Cashews.

Hope you all are enjoying the discussion so far. Join us for the Cashews.

Tiger Tom

Kathy Hill

January 20, 2003 - 10:31 pm

I bought some cashews today just to be with the program tomorrow!

Kathy

TigerTom

January 20, 2003 - 10:41 pm

The Cashew



The shell of the Cashew Nut is so toxic that to touch it
willl Blister the Skin. This is why you never see
the Cashew Nut in its shell

http://www.thenutfactory.com/kitchen/facts/facts-cashews.html

Click on the link to read about the Cashew and its
history.



Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 21, 2003 - 01:34 am

Tiger Tom

I did get thru part of the History of the Cashew but it is Early mornin here and I must go to sleep. Just Posting so You Know I have been here.

Prancer

January 21, 2003 - 04:03 am

Pare vs. Peel

I always thought that "pare" meant to "scrape", holding the paring knife a little sideways, whereas, peel meant to actually cut away the outer covering. (An example would be new potatoes.)

I recall (young days) being told not to "waste" too much by peeling too deeply. "Just pare", I was told!

A difference in meaning, depending on the era?

CASHEWS.

I'm looking forward to this new segment of the discussions. Cashew was a name I had for a little cat (she was a NUT) some years ago. A very fond memory, reading that word!

tigerliley

January 21, 2003 - 05:34 am

Lorrie.....I think pare means to cut away the seeds and blossom end etc., and then to cut up in pieces leaving the pretty red skin on....

patwest

January 21, 2003 - 07:42 am

I just can't leave them alone... If there are any in the house, I do believe I can smell them .. and then I'm not satisfied until they are all gone.

TigerTom

January 21, 2003 - 07:48 am

Cashews,

Sorry, I meant to say that the Seed of
the Cashew was Caustic, not Toxic. Difference.
Anyway, if touched it will blister the skin.

Harvesting the Cashew Nut has to be done very
Carefully, not only to avoid the caustic oil in
the seed from blistering the skin but keepting
it from getting on the Nut itself. At one time
the Cashew Nut was known as the Blister Nut because
the caustic oil was getting on to the Nut before
it was eaten.

If you click on the link you will read of the
Grading of Cashews. Interesting. I am not sure I
have ever had the top grade of Cashews and suspect
that the top graded Nuts would be vey expensive,
but good.

Tiger Tom

Ann Alden

January 21, 2003 - 09:09 am

Lorrie, yes, pared does mean peeled! Sorry about that! Cored is what I meant. Cored but not peeled! Silly me!

Went to the store and tried to buy another 2 pound bag of mixed nuts in the shell and the salesgirl told me that they only have them for the holidays and were all sold out! Bummer! So, I bought shelled almonds and cashews! Here come da' fat girl! I love nut!

One of my favorite Chinese dishes is Cashew Chicken. I can eat it any time!

Bill H

January 21, 2003 - 10:03 am

Tiger Tom

May I say a word here on just plain old peanuts. I love to munch on them while watching a football game. However, I darned near chocked on some when, in the NFL divisional play off game, the referee called a roughing the kicker call on the innocent, innocent Steelers, thereby giving the Tennessee Titans field goal kicker a second chance and subsequently winning the game ( Now back to those great receipes

Bill H

TigerTom

January 21, 2003 - 10:08 am

Cashew Recipe,

Here is a stir fry Recipe,

http://www.barricksinsurance.com/5022.html

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 21, 2003 - 10:13 am

Golden Cashew Chicken,

Here is another recipe,

http://www.thenutfactory.com/kitchen/main-dish/golden-cashew-chicken.html


Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 21, 2003 - 10:22 am

Waffles anyone,

Oat and Cashew waffles and many more.

http://www.mrbreakfast.com/superdisplay.asp?recipeid=616


Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 21, 2003 - 11:29 am

Bill H,

You got to have Beer with those Nuts while watching the Super Bowl.

Tiger Tom

kiwi lady

January 21, 2003 - 12:07 pm

I love nuts. They are good for you but to be a glutton on them they are fattening! I can not be trusted with a bag of nuts. I have to eat them until they are all gone! You can see by this I am lacking in will power! I treat myself about once a month to a bag of nuts.

Carolyn

TigerTom

January 21, 2003 - 12:58 pm

Waffles,

In the link to the Oat and Cashew Waffle
is a sidebar that lists 57 different recipes
for all kinds of Waffles.

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 21, 2003 - 01:39 pm

I absolutly love that NUTFarm site. The recipes are spectacular and the site is so well done I could spend hours there. Every nut in the world must be there. Well, I dont want to start an argument or anything but I read someplace that some nuts we call nuts are really legumes. Like peanuts. or cashews. Now that I have read about the cashew I cant see where anyone would call it a legume since it is part of the fruit/nut of the tree. That is the way all nuts come on a tree though not outside the fruit usually. They are inside the fruit which on most nuts is not edible and dries up and is knocked off before the nut is processed. Peanuts I understand not being real nuts. Some of us are nuts and some of us are peanuts hahahah faith

TigerTom

January 21, 2003 - 06:29 pm

Quiet,

Kind of quiet in here today. Perhaps tomorrow
things will liven up. Or, maybe, Cashews aren't
that exciting.

Tiger Tom

tigerliley

January 22, 2003 - 05:52 am

Oh yes they are exciting enough that my husband digs them all out of a can of mixed nuts!!!!! lol. Tiger..... there are no nuts that I don't like......I was trying to think of one and I cannot.....

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 07:33 am

Tigerlily,

Buy him a can of Cashews and a can of Mixed
for yourself. If you hurry you can finish your
can before he finishes his.

I too love Cashews. My problem is that I
have a false upper plate and a false partial
plate on the bottom (teeth) Not the best for
eating Nuts. Gumming the Nuts is out as it
would take forever to finish a Can of Cashews.

Tiger Tom

tigerliley

January 22, 2003 - 07:59 am

It would take me less than an hour to finish a can of cashews......good suggestion for the husband.....

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 11:07 am

Tigerlily,

Not by Gumming them.

Tiger Tom

Prancer

January 22, 2003 - 11:31 am

Oatmeal & Cashew Waffles

I just ate 2 of those waffles with a wee bit of butter and maple syrup.

What a great taste! You would have to try it to believe how good they are.

There is no leavening at all, so they don't become "light and fluffy"; just real down-to-earth tasty!

What a way to get kids to eat oatmeal - (some think porridge is old fashioned).

I did let the mixture set (after mixing) so that it wasn't runny and all was absorbed. I did let the bottom half cook before I closed the waffle iron. No mess. I was thinking it may run without eggs or flour to "set" the waffles.

Thumbs up from me!

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 11:36 am

Prancer,

Thanks loads for testing the recipe. Glad
that they turned out all right.

BTW, is there anyone Out there? Sure it quiet
in here.

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 22, 2003 - 01:09 pm

Here I am. I have a whole can of cashews in fridg. and a bag of whole almonds but only about 1/2 cup left of my walnuts so will need more. I bought some more nutella today (hazelnut spread with cocoa ripples) Now Tom you could gum that to death. I dont like much the cashew butter I get at health food store but since reading the history etc of the cashew I think it is because I buy the cheap cashews, broken bits and not much roasting evident, and the butter is made right there in a machine but it seems too tasteless. Maybe if I found some made from prime cashews it would be sweeter like eating them from the can Oh that is heaven. I am making a chinese stir fry this week with shrimp and cashews for protein and lots of fresh spinich and peapods, pepper strips (when they are cheap I buy red and yellow and put in freezer bags all prepared with onion and garlic.) I use a prepared ginger stirfry sauce. I have a friend over because I hate to cook and eat alone when I have something good. faith

Diane Church

January 22, 2003 - 01:25 pm

I'm here, enjoying the posts and links. Will get to the recipes later.

By the way, that link on cashews was fascinating - and timely as a group at lunch last week got onto the subject of cashews and we were all wondering where they came from. Can you believe it - I volunteered to research the subject and then, magic of the internet, here was a whole link on the subject. Many thanks and nice job!

I remember years ago just loving the cashews that Planters put out in those big jars. Oh, so good. Then the price started going way up and then they weren't even available anymore. I don't think I've seen the jars of cashews only for years. And I miss them. Sounds as if you guys are finding them in cans. I'll have to look.

Oh, on the nut butters - I've tried several from the health food stores and must admit to being disappointed. Health nut that I am (no pun intended!) I must confess that it might be the "bad" stuff that I miss tasting in the healthier, fresher versions. I'll keep trying, though.

Bill H

January 22, 2003 - 01:32 pm

Tom, good little rhyme, and I will have that bottle of beer ready watching the Super Bowel. I have to make sure I have something to wash those peanuts down. )

Kiwi Lady, I'm much like you when it comes to eating peanuts. I, too, eat them til they are all gone. I only buy a small bag of peanuts and when they are gone that's it. I think it may be due to the salt that our systems like

Bill H

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 01:36 pm

Diane,

Welcome to our discussion. Anything you can
add will be welcome.


As to the Health stores: I too have been>br> disappointed with some of their products.
The Nut Butters I bought have been less than
great. One I had to toss out. The Cashew Nut
Butter is edible but a bit tasteless. I was
looing forward to trying other Nut Butters but
I believe I may stick to Peanut Butter.

I was surprised to read about the Grades of
Cashews. I would love to get some of the top
Grade Cashews. BTW, I read that the largest
Cashews come from Brazil. It may be that
different countries put out a different grade
and size of Cashew.

Tiger Tom

Coyote

January 22, 2003 - 01:38 pm

Health food nut butter may not have any salt or sugar added. You might try adding a little salt and maybe some corn syrup, then warming it enough to mix it well.

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 01:42 pm

Bill H,

Rhyme?

Tom

Diane Church

January 22, 2003 - 01:45 pm

Tom, wouldn't it be great if we could have a cashew-tasting party? You know, a big bowl from each area that produces them. I'm not suggesting this as a cyper party, just that it would be fun to have a chance to taste each one and observe the differences.

Benjamin, I believe you have a point there. The stuff can be pretty hard to stir, though. Although, as you say, heating it a little would probably help. Then again, by that time you might as well buy the regular store stuff.

tigerliley

January 22, 2003 - 02:27 pm

Not only am I enjoying all the discussion regarding nuts but am finding great recipe sites to puruse later....I think Ben is right about the nut butters from the health food stores....I buy sugarless peanut butter and then add splenda to my taste......

Bill H

January 22, 2003 - 05:11 pm

Tom, sorry about the rhyme. I read the post wrong.

Bill H

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 06:02 pm

Bill H,

No problem. I haven't a poet's soul so I am not much good a rhyming.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 06:10 pm

All,

Sorry I haven't done more for the discussion today. Been a little tied up:

I live near a small city of Aberdeen which is where just about all of the medical facilities in the neighborhood are. There is one way in from the West, one way from the North and one way from the South. Can't get to the North or South entrance to the city from the West except by a long circuitous, backroad drive. There is maintence on one of the small bridges leading in to town from the West. That has bolixed up traffic in all directions. Naturally, NO Police to direct traffic or to hurry it along. They are too busy out harassing drivers. Anyway, I have tried three different routes to get into town and failed each time as traffic was backed up for miles. I must get a blood test done so I can get a tube shoved down my Nose into my Lung. Must have the test done and to the Doctor by next Monday. So, that is why I have been remiss today. Will try to do better tomorrow.

I have to catch up at home what I missed doing today by being tied up in traffic. So, I cannot add much more to the conversation today.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 09:53 pm

Hazelnuts,

Tomorrow, Hazelnuts. I hope they get a better response than Cashews did.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 22, 2003 - 10:17 pm

Hazelnuts,

Hazelnuts or Filberts, same thing. Click on
link to learn more about them.


http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/foods_view/1,1523,307,00.html

Tiger Tom

Diane Church

January 22, 2003 - 10:29 pm

Hey, Tom, as much fun as this discussion is your health is more important. Do what you must do and we'll be here waiting for you. Really we will!

Gosh, I think I didn't know that Hazelnuts and Filberts were the same. On the other hand, maybe I did!

Looking forward to your return, Tom, and hearing that everything is OK. Doesn't sound like much fun but if your doctor is experienced, it won't be that bad. We'll be thinking of you. Betcha I'm not the only one sending prayers up for you!

GingerWright

January 23, 2003 - 12:18 am

Diane No Your are not the only sending prayers up for Tom and waiting for a Good news Report.

Tom do we care, Ginger

Ann Alden

January 23, 2003 - 06:03 am

Thank you, Ben, for the hint on the nut butters. My thoughts exactly! Sugar and salt are missing! That's why I love peanut butter. Even though I buy the natural, its available with or without the good stuff! And, remember, that using these butters for snacking by putting them on celery or apples is so good for you and helps the flavor.

Tiger, get those tests and we will be offering our good thoughts for you. Should I do the shaman dance for health? Tee hee!

Prancer

January 23, 2003 - 06:54 am

Tiger Tom

I hope that the tests show nothing serious. Have been there with tubes (nose and mouth) for stomach and don't particularly envy you that part.

Lots of good wishes.

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 07:49 am

All,

Thannks, but the first thing is just to see the Vampire and get some Blood drawn, then NEXT WEEK I have the tube shoved down into my Lung, so I will be around for the discussions. Hopefully the process will just take an hour or so in the morning.

Menawhile, Hazelnuts. Anyone have a good recipe for Hazelnut Ice Cream? My wife loves that flavor of Ice Cream.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 09:55 am

Hazelnut Recipes,

To start your morning off, here are some
interesting Recipes using Hazelnuts:

http://www.nwhazelnut.com/recipes.html
<br< Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 10:04 am

Some more,

http://oregonhazelnuts.org/recipes.htm

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 23, 2003 - 10:51 am

Tigar Tom do take care of yourself We are all pulling for you. Hazelnuts are a wonderful food. I also love something called Nutella which is hazelnut butter whipped with cocoa. I teaspoon or so spread on a hot muffing will make me feel like I have had the most scrumptious chocolate dessert in the world. I buy it right in the jelly jam deparment of my supermarket. The plain haselnut butter I have had came from a specialty store and was pretty good but as Ben suggested it needed some salt, and maybe a small amount of sweetner. The recipes for hazelnut macaroons are what I will copy and try. Love macaroons with almost any nut including coconut. Faith

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 10:58 am

Faithr,

First ran into Nutella in Germany. Very populat
There. My Daughter and Wife likes it, I am not so wild about it. Of course, I never got a taste for Wine after all of the years I lived in Germany (11) so it just may be me.

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 23, 2003 - 11:03 am

Tom How about Beer?hehehe When my son came home from a tour of duty in Germany he brought a taste for beer but after being home a few months he said it just wasnt the same here so he didnt stop for a beer with the fella'a anymore. That was many years ago and he still says he only likes certain beer. fr

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 11:13 am

Faithr,

German Beer contains only Malt, Hops, Yeast, Grains, Water. No prerservatives or additives of any kind. American Beer is just a glass of chemicals. German Beer is wonderful. There are something like 2000 brewereis in Getmany. Just about every small town has its own Brewery. There are a number of larger ones too. I would love to be back in Germany having a cold Flensburger Pilsner and a meal of Schniztel and Brat Kartoffeln (Veal Cutlet and Fried Potatos) Heaven.

Tiger Tom

Ann Alden

January 23, 2003 - 11:26 am

Hey, Tiger, how do you feel about Irish brews? I love Harp's myself but also go in for the heavier brews which many times have grain floating around the bottom. One big glass and I can't eat! Its like a meal!

GingerWright

January 23, 2003 - 02:20 pm

Ann as you Know I like my Beer but have not had any grain floating in it as maybe I drink the Wrong kind do you suppose? Beer taste but no Champane salary.Nuts go good with Beer I think.

MaryZ

January 23, 2003 - 02:25 pm

Doesn't one of the liqueurs have hazelnut flavor? Fra Angelica?

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 02:35 pm

Ann,

Drank Harp in England as it was one of only two (2) Lagers I could find in London. Never could get used to English Beers. Too flat for my taste. I have been told that they taste like a meal, heavy.

The English used to drink Lager and Lime. So, one day I got a Larger and order a glass of Tomao Juice, poured the juice into the Glass of Lager and drank it. Cleaned out the Pub. Beer and Tomato Juice was/is the State drink of Alaska.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 02:37 pm

Mary Z,

You got me, I never drank Liqueurs. Strictly a Beer Man.

Tiger Tom

Diane Church

January 23, 2003 - 02:52 pm

Mary - you're right - Fra Angelica IS a hazelnut-flavored liqueur. Friends served it one night and I was enchanted but never bothered to buy any. I also notice that several coffee shop/restaurants are serving hazelnut-flavored coffees. My feeling is that the first sip is wonderful - after that I prefer the regular stuff. Actually, I feel that way about some of the flavored iced teas, too - like raspberry, cinammon, etc.

Hazelnut in cookies and other pastries, for me, have more staying power.

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 02:52 pm

Squash and Hazelnut Soup

http://cssvc.recipes.compuserve.com/pls/details.jsp?searchString=soup&firstOffset=8

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 03:03 pm

Poached Pears with Hazelnuts

http://www.culinary.net/recipes/desserts/2083-poachedpearswithchocolatehazelnutfillingandraspberrysauce.html


Tiger Tom

BaBi

January 23, 2003 - 03:28 pm

And isn't Amaretto(?) a almond liqueur? I'm not up on liqueurs, but I have eaten things with the amaretto flavoring and I'm almost certain it's almonds. (If someone has already mentioned this, my apologies. When I find 27+ messages left in a 24-hour period I tend to skip by a few.) ...Babi

GingerWright

January 23, 2003 - 03:59 pm

Babi Yes Amaretto is a almond liqueur made with almonds as it was one my Mother favorites.

Faithr

January 23, 2003 - 04:18 pm

I love the hazelnut flavored coffee's. I also occasionally get the mocha mix hazelnut cremer for the coffee when my kids are coming. Tiger Tom my son would love to have that meal with you in Germany. My husbands mother was first generation German immigrant to US. She taught me to cook many German meals some I loved and some I can take or leave. I do love some of the sausage dishes. There was a hazelnut tree on the ranch my husband and I had for a few years up in Trinity county. It was sort of wild up on a hill and I dont know who planted it there. fr

LouiseJEvans

January 23, 2003 - 04:36 pm

Tiger Tome, the two days allowed for each nut go by so fast that it's hard to keep up. I use almonds all the time. Lately I am finding bags of slivered ones i various flavours. Since I like to stir fry vegetables they are handy to add to the stir fry.

Cashews are good in oriental cooking but I haven't ever used them much. Actually I like all kinds of nuts. I have seen a hazel nut butter in the grocery store. I have never gotten it because it costs too much.

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 05:35 pm

Louise,

Welcome, No need to adhere to the schedule.
If you have something on any of the Nuts
we have already discussed please post it.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 05:43 pm

Faithr,

Being Irish I love the Potato in almost any form bar scalloped. Fried being my Favorite. So, when I arrived in Germany and found all of that Wonderful Beer and the Fried Potatos I thought I had gone to my reward. One place, named the Traum Hoff (Dream House) had a chef who would boil potatos, dice them, and pour melted butter over them, let the potatos soak in the Butter over night and fry them the next day. Pure Sin. Unfortunately, my system couldn't handle the beer much less those Potatos soaked in butter these days. SIGH. Hope your son can make it back to Germany for a vacation and some good food.

Tiger Tom

isak2002

January 23, 2003 - 06:07 pm

Tom; This is a greatdiscussion!!!! I love amaretto in coffee - to be exact, my favorite order at CCs is super grande extra hot almond latte! Does that ring anyone's chime??? isak

GingerWright

January 23, 2003 - 08:13 pm

Tom I have Irish Blood also and Love potatoes in any form but perferable the Irish way so Much better than French Fries.

Faithr

January 23, 2003 - 08:16 pm

isak that rings my chimes. I love to go to a coffee house and get an extra large latte, now I am going to look at the flavorings and see what I want to add. I know ours nearby has lots of those flavored syrups. In the summer I use to get the super large latte with vanilla over crushed ice, now I will try the almond and the hazelnut of course. faith

TigerTom

January 23, 2003 - 10:00 pm

Isak, Faithr,

I live in the State of Washington, birth place of Starbucks and a few other Coffee outlets. I have NEVER had a Latte, ever. There must be an Espresso stand on every corner in this state and I still have not had a Latte. Too expensive for me. I have my home brewed coffe in the morning and that is good enough for me.

Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 23, 2003 - 11:28 pm

Tom

Coffee If I want Chocolate coffee I just put a Hershesy kiss in it with the coffee before brewing and would do so with any other flavoring I chose. Nuts must be ground or smashed to get the flavor so I would Hit the nut with a hammer or use my garlic press, whatever worked.

isak2002

January 24, 2003 - 09:01 am

re coffee in shops - that has become my latest sensible economy - going back to grinding, brewing and mixing my own coffee and coffee drinks...like just adding coffee to hot milk and adding the syrups. nothing to it!

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 09:11 am

Ginger, Isak,

I like good old fashioned Coffee, plain, Black, with a little Sugar. Not sure I could go Coffee with all of the additives. Certainly not for what is being charged for one those things these days.

Isak, you might be on to something making your own at home. Save a bundle.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 09:14 am

All right,

Kind of quiet in here.

Fall in and sound off. Give your name and say present.

Subject is Hazelnuts.

Look lively, lets hear from you.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 09:28 am

Coffee Trivia

Since you people are on Coffee, here is some Coffee Trivia
for you.

http://www.discountcoffee.com/CoffeeTriviaFun.htm

Tiger Tom

Prancer

January 24, 2003 - 09:38 am

I'm present, Tiger Tom

Coffee in hand! Chocolate Sparkle Cookie in other hand!!

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 09:39 am

Oregon,

Some Oregon Trivia: What does Oregon have to
with Hazelnuts> It leads the U.S. in Hazelnut
production.

Tiger Tom

Sasha 5113

January 24, 2003 - 11:53 am

I was going to sound off, but I fell in too deep.

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 12:08 pm

Oregon Trivia,

Here is that Oregon Trivia. Linke didn't
take last time.

http://www.50states.com/facts/oregon.htm

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 12:18 pm

Trivia,

Since I don't seem to be able to interest you
in Hazelnuts, how about some Trivia. There are
24 pages of it in the link

http://www.triviaweb.co.uk/factgroup.asp?groups=Food&pg=24

Tiger Tom

BaBi

January 24, 2003 - 12:21 pm

Too bad I'm not a coffee drinker; all that sounds so good. But tho' I love the smell of roasting coffee, I've never liked the taste. HOWEVER, hot cocoa/hot chocolate is also available in almond, hazelnut, etc. flavors. Heavenly! ...Babi

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 12:33 pm

BaBi,

I usually have a cup of Sugar Free Hot Chocolate
in the evening along with the 5:00 P.M. News.
Makes me mellow enough to get through the News
without throwing the cup at the T.V. Set.

Tiger Tom

BaBi

January 24, 2003 - 12:40 pm

Tiger Tom, chocolate is a well documented stress reducer; ask any chocolate lover. I don't throw cups at the TV (I watch very little of the news), but I have been known to make rude noises. ~~ ...Babi

Faithr

January 24, 2003 - 03:17 pm

Babi and Tom it is a good thing we are not all in the same room as the evening news goes on..I do get loud and use profane language too sometimes I laugh at myself. I think "I am an old lady sitting here yelling at an inantimate object." If we were all cursing or making rude noises we might get sent away somewhere. I only drink coffee,tea or chocolate in the morning otherwise I dont sleep. In the afternoon it is just plain water for me. And when it comes to nibbling while watching tv I do like nuts or nuts in cookies so that is what I choose. Sometimes nut butter in a piece of celery when I remember I have to leave the white flour and sugar alone.

I wonder why my grandmother call some nuts filberts, these were elongated and at least a 1/2, in a smooth,reddish shell and she called hazelnuts some that were sort of round about as big as the end of my finger with a light brown smooth shell. I remember having those kind of nuts but wonder what I have mixed up. I buy so many of the things that are shelled now. Maybe I will go look for them in a book somewhere. Faith

isak2002

January 24, 2003 - 03:35 pm

Faith, etc - I recall when my father sold nuts by the pound - I got to do the sacking and sealing, using neat little plastic bags and then stapling the label on. The nuts had come in "bulk" boxes, and also at that time of the year I would get to sack up pound and 2# bags of what we called haystacks - they were chocolate covered white mint "haystacks" and we sold them by the box to one relatve, whose husband got a whole 20# box for Christmas. Dad also had various other nuts covered in chocolate...as well as many bags of peanuts that were not wound long...so a lot of people liked nuts! We always got a box of candy at Church, too - not from Santa, but just from the church...and there would be several pieces of ribbon candy as well as quite a few peanuts and also a good selection of nuts. There would always be a nut bowl out at home - with a good set of picks so we could crack and eat them, especially when there was a hot game of Canasta going on, which could happen almost any time. Fun times.....hence my love of nuts. isak

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 03:44 pm

Faithr<

Hazelnuts and Filberts are the same but different. The Filbert is larger than the Hazelnut but still is a Hazelnut. Come from different areas.

I too use very rude language at the evening news. I get very tired of hearing about a crime that had been seen by number of people and there will be NO description given of the person who did it. All that will be said is that the police are looking for a man. Sure, but what did he look like? So, the police never find him, and then whine that they are not getting any cooperation out of the public. That is when I am ready to throw something at the T.V. set other than rude words.

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 24, 2003 - 03:48 pm

Hi Isak: We had a gunnysack full of almonds given to us most years and sometimes a gunnysack full of black walnuts too. We had a little shed on the back of the house and I remember once the boys put all the black walnuts up there to dry. one by one they laid them out up there to dry that green and nasty black oozing shell. Well every morning there were fewer nuts up there as the squirrels or chipmunks came over and got them. My mom finally sweep them all into the bag again and then she took a stick and beat the bag. When she got tired we kids took turns. Finally we rolled them all out into a big laundry tub and pulled most of the nuts loose from the skin and ooze. Our hands were dyed brown like shoe-polish. The nuts went into the oven on trays for an hour or so and then were put in paper sacks in our cupboard. The almonds were much easier to do. Of course they didn't have much of the outer skin left on them and we could clean them and roast them ok. We certainly didn't sort or grade them ..we just used them up. My mother was raising six kids alone and food was food. We were always blessed by friends in the valley giving us fruit and stuff to bring back to Tahoe.

The time we got pecans and or filberts and hazelnuts was christmas and the most expensive of all were the English walnuts and Brazil nuts. My grandparents would buy a 5 gallon bucket full of mixed nuts in the shell and we kids would crack them and I remember my grandma yelling at us because we ate as many as we put in the dish for her to cook with. Sometimes she just laughed at us if there were plenty of nuts left for her cooking. Faith

MaryZ

January 24, 2003 - 05:05 pm

In our area, there are lots of walnut trees in residential areas. Folks would get to the good stuff by laying the nuts with their green hulls out on their driveways, and after a week or so, the cars going in and out would have done all the work.

GingerWright

January 24, 2003 - 07:47 pm

Mary That is the way we hulled our Nuts also.

Borealis

January 24, 2003 - 08:26 pm

TigerTom: You sent out an appeal because it was quiet in here? No way, ... it took me an hour to read and study all the posts you had received since I was here a couple days ago. Congratulations... your forum rocks!

You know I am inherently lazy when it comes to cooking so I have not tried any of the recipes. But, you didnt answer me the last time I asked. Have YOU tried any of the recipes????

Ahhhhh hazelnuts. Nothing like Cadbury's hazelnut chocolate - tickles the palate.

Seriously, TigerTom - don't give all your blood away on that test --- You Know You Are An Endangered Species.

Hope all goes well on the test and that you have your wind at your back when you are dealing with the traffic.

All the best

Edith

ps maybe I will put a link on M/V to this site? Don't think Pat Scott will mind if I do that. I will check it out later.

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 10:35 pm

Pecans,

Tomorrow we start on Pecans. I hope that we get
more interest that what has been shown for Hazelnuts.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 24, 2003 - 10:43 pm

Pecans,


For more info on Pecans, click on link.

http://www.ilovepecans.org/

Tiger Tom

Ann Alden

January 25, 2003 - 07:01 am

Pecans, I love pecans. We used to live in Texas and had pecan trees all over the yard. I sent them to my relatives living up north every year. And, made lots of different sweets containing pecans. I order Mrs Prindable's apples with carmel and pecans on them every year to give as unusual gifts.

But, I wanted to ask a question when we were in the filberts/hazelnut section. Does anyone remember buying(back in the olden days) what looked like a white ball of sugar, had a special flavor and was so smooth melting in your mouth plus it contained a hazelnut? in the center. I loved those things and haven't seen them for years. Wonder where they went?

The best thing to do when the news comes on, it to turn off the TV and listen to calm soothing music or read a good book. You can't believe half of what they say anyway.

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 07:29 am

Ann,

Never heard of those sweets. Must have been
a regional thing.

If you believe half of what you hear on the news
you may be in trouble.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 07:40 am

Pecans

Here are some recipes to start the morning off.

http://www.texaspecan.com/Recipes.htm

Tiger Tom

Prancer

January 25, 2003 - 07:43 am

Good Morning

Well, maybe not good here in Canada. Winter, big time! From browsing the forecasts, I read that Newfoundland is particularly dumped upon this morning.

Enough growling. Not too much chance of growing any nuts in this part of the world, though. Have to rely on the Bulk Barn.

I sure like some of the recipes. Two favorites I've mentioned already and I think I am on the way to more. I've read them all and saved the addresses of the sites so that when this discussion is history, I will still be trying out the recipes.

Thanks, Tiger Tom for those sites.

I made the Almond Waffles for some Grandkids this morning and they've named them "Grandma's Granola" . (Psst. I didn't tell them that they were basically eating Porridge.) That wouldn't be COOL!

Looking forward to this section on Pecans - another very good nut.

I think this is a great discussion.

Lorrie

January 25, 2003 - 09:36 am

Are we on pecans yet? Isn't anybody going to mention one of my favorites: pecan pie! Yummy. Does anyone have a good recipe for that? Mine needs improving somewhere.

Lorrie

Kathy Hill

January 25, 2003 - 09:40 am

Just went in on the pecan site and found an interesting tip. One recipe was for a cookie type bar and said to cut it with a plastic knife because it will make a smooth cut. Live and learn!

Kathy

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 09:46 am

Okay, Lorrie,

Here is the link to the ultimate Peacan Pie Page

http://www.ghg.net/coyej/pecanpie.htm

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 09:54 am

Lorrie,

Two more Pecan Pie recipes.

http://www.gumbopages.com/food/dessert/pecan-pie.html

Tiger Tom

Lorrie

January 25, 2003 - 09:59 am

Oh, Boy! I can see me now appearing suddenly with "chipmunk cheeks" and a new spare tire around the middle, after trying all these recipes. Hahaha!

Lorrie

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 10:14 am

Lorrie,

I hope you find a few great ones to make for
yourself and your family.

Tiger Tom

LouiseJEvans

January 25, 2003 - 12:40 pm

One of my stories about Pecans has to do with the pronunciation of the word. He along with my sister and I were natives of Massachusetts. After his second wife died he started writing to women through a lovelorn paper. One of the women who he ended up marrying had a son and was from Louisiana. They came to Mass for the summer. Arrangements were made to move all of us to La. Us 3 teenagers occcupied the backseat where we spent alot of time arguing. One of them was the pronunciation of pecan. In Mass. we said pe-can (like a can of soup). In Louisiana they say Pe cahn. (This chart would look better if I could remember where the chart for the alternate keys with the symbols was.)

LouiseJEvans

January 25, 2003 - 12:47 pm

I like coffee. I just love going down the coffee row in the grocery store. It smells so good. I remember a store called Kennedy's in Mass. They sold things like coffee and eggs. That too had a wonderful scent. Some of you have some good ideas for flavoring it without buyng the expensive special coffees. I do have a coffee grinder. I wonder what would if one would grind nuts along with the beans.

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 12:50 pm

Louis,

Interesting Idea, why don't you try it and let
us know.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 12:57 pm

Kathy,

Welcome to our discussion. Hope you like the
recipes. More NUTS coming up in a few days. so,
if Pecans are not your favorite maybe one of them
or some of the past one's are or will be.

Never found Plastic Knifes good for cutting anything.
They would usually tear rather than cut.

Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 25, 2003 - 01:32 pm

Louise, I would say that nuts and coffe ground at the same time is how they make the the kind they sell. Please let us know how it turns out.

Faithr

January 25, 2003 - 02:46 pm

I never had any pecan pie before I moved to Texas for a few months during WW-ll to visit air-force husband. In my boarding house it was sort of a staple. She even put it on the sideboard a t breakfast time the months I was there. At first I ate a piece whenever it was offered then after awhile I became surfeit with pecan pie. And I was gaining weight rapidly. Little did I realize that weight gain wouldn't stop till my son was born the next spring hahahah I blamed it on the pecans. I was so interested then in the pecan that when I wrote to my grandmother Victoria (born in Texas) she sent me two recipes for pecan pie. Both of them were just like the recipes in the link post 947 Tom put up. However one of them had dark karo syrup and white sugar and the other was with light karo and brown sugar. I made it both ways and it was always good. Then I found the one with molasses and added that to my pie recipes and it was the best one. I also had this recipe for Shoo Fly Pie...and we can argue about the name sometime if you like.

3/4 cup white sugar 1 cup dark karo 1/2 cup molasses 4 eggs 2 tbsp. flour 2 tbsp melted butter 1/2 cup of chopped pecans 1/2 cup whole pecans 2 tbsp. cider vinegar 1 tsp vanilla

Have 1 nine inch deep dish glass pie plate with crust ready. Beat all ingredients together until a smooth batter. Put chopped pecans on bottom of large nine inch pie crust pour in half the mixture, put remaining pecans over mixture and pour in remaining mixture. Bake at 400 degrees until a knife inserted in filling comes out clean. approx. check at 45 minutes, if not done turn oven to 375 and continue cooking 15 or 20 minutes. faith

BaBi

January 25, 2003 - 03:44 pm

LOUISE, Texas agrees with Louisiana on the pronunciation of 'pecan'. Last syllable pronounced as in Madeline Kahn. Using dark or light Karo is just a matter of individual preference, FAITH. If I have both but not enough of either, I combine the two. Works just fine.

One suggestion if you're buying unshelled pecans. Get the soft-shelled variety; much easier to shell. ..Babi

Diane Church

January 25, 2003 - 04:05 pm

I remember a driving trip along the old Route 66, back in the mid-50's and one of the many "discoveries" was pralines. They are made of pecans, right? Oh, they were so outstandingly good. I've rarely had one since but in my memory they remain tops. Truthfully, I can barely even remember what they looked like but I sure did love the taste and was sorry when we drove past praline country.

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 05:58 pm

Faithr.

Remember the song sung by Dinah Shore:

"shoo Fly Pie and Apple Pan Dowdy"
Makes your eyes light up and your tummy say howdy"

Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 25, 2003 - 07:53 pm

Tiger Tom

Sure do Remember Shoo Fly Pie and here are the Lyrics.

Ginger

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 08:04 pm

Ginger,

It had been so long since I heard the song
that I had forgotten most of the lyrics.
It was popular for a fair amount of time. On the
Hit Parade for a while. Nonsense song but fun.

Did you every have any of that? I wonder if any
one in this discussion had any of it.

Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 25, 2003 - 08:05 pm

Please turn down your speakers as here comes Shoo Fly Pie Enjoy Ginger

TigerTom

January 25, 2003 - 08:31 pm

More Recipes,

Here are some more recipes including more
Pecan Pie recipes.

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/recipes/pecanrecipes/recindex.html

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 25, 2003 - 09:13 pm

Loved reading the words again for Shoo Fly Pie . That is the first time I have heard the jazz version though ...and of course there are several recipes for the pie in circulation. (When we get to walnuts I will have an Apple Pan Dowdy ready for you.) Someone else fix the coffee. I suggest Tiger Tom as he is a plain and simple black coffee drinker and eschews the flavors and fussyness of foams etc. We all can add what we want. faith

GingerWright

January 25, 2003 - 11:37 pm

Faithr I could not find the music that we all know but done my Best.

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 07:16 am

Ginger,

Thanks for what you did find. Unfortunately, I do not have a media player on my machine so I could not listen to it.

Faithr. Okay, I will make the coffee and you bring the Apple Pan Dowdy. I was looking at some recipes for Apple Pan Dowdy on the net. Seems like a fairly simply thing to make. but what do I know?

Tiger Tom

tigerliley

January 26, 2003 - 08:28 am

Missouri agrees with Louisiana and Texas on the pronunciation of pecan......Pecan and pumpkin pie all ways for Thanksgiving and most usually for Christmas too our family gatherings......Pumkin has an affinity for pecans and walnuts too..... A big dollop of whipped cream (please, not cool whip) is also most agreeable......Not long ago I came through Georgia and the pecans were abundunt.....being sold all along the roads and at every little corner store.....wonderful.......

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 10:19 am

Hi there, Tigerlily,

Hope you like the rest of the NUTS too.

Still like the name.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 01:49 pm

Pecans,

Quiet in here.

Are all of you making Pecan Pies for after the big Game today?

Tiger Tom

LouiseJEvans

January 26, 2003 - 02:28 pm

As I was reading the Miami Herald, I went to one of my favorite sections: the coupons. One of them just happens to be for Nutella, the original Hazelnut Spread. I clipped it. I remember the song called Applepan Dowdy, but I've never had any. I also remember Pralines. I haven't seen them for years. No peanut brittle either. As one moves to different parts of this country it is interesting that not everyting can be found every where.

Faithr

January 26, 2003 - 04:33 pm

True Louise and I first found pralines in Texas then when I moved to Alabama they were practically a national icon. We ate them constantly but my husband had to stop as he was in Air Corp and they watched his weight like a hawk. When the war was over and we moved back to Colorado and then California, we brought many new tastes with us from the south. And the hot stuff from Texas was my cooking secret for a long time till my other California relatives caught on to the chili peppers in everything ..faith

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 05:22 pm

Louise, Faithr,

Pralines? The only ones I have ever seen
are the Candy ones: a Chocolate wafer with
some colored thingys sprinkled on it.

I take it that is NOT what you are talking about.
Enlighten me.

Tiger Tom

MaryZ

January 26, 2003 - 06:37 pm

Tiger, a praline is sort of like a pecan brittle - a thin irregular circle of brown sugar/butter candy full of pecan pieces (pronounced "puh-kahn' "). Here's a link that has a pretty good picture.

http://www.auntsallys.com/

patwest

January 26, 2003 - 07:23 pm

Mary Z, I gained 5 lbs. just reading that page...<grin>

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 07:31 pm

Mary Z,

Thank you. Now I know.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 07:33 pm

Walnuts,

Tomorrow we start Walnuts. I sure hope we get
more of a response than we have had with Cashews
and Pecans.

Tier Tom

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 08:18 pm

Walnuts,

I am going to start early with Walnuts, I am
tired of battling with my ISP. Bad during the day
but really Tanks after 7 P.M. my time:

http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/foods_view/1,1523,100,00.html

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 08:25 pm

Walnut Recipe,

Diced Poultry with Walnuts in Lettuce Cups.

http://www.globalgourmet.com/destinations/china/mincpoul.html

Tiger Tom

patwest

January 26, 2003 - 08:32 pm

We plant walnut trees every year... usually about 25... in a wood lot not far from the house... It is an investment for the grandchildren, since the trees will not to ready to cut as lumber for about 40 years... but in the meantime, we can harvest the nuts.

Black walnuts are really good in baking and have a much different flavor that the English walnuts for sale in he stores.

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 08:45 pm

Walnuts,

More Walnut Lore

http://homecooking.about.com/library/weekly/aa060198.htm

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 08:52 pm

Soup

Acorn Squash Soup W/Corned Beef and Walnuts>br>
http://www.recipesource.com/soups/soups/acorn-squash2.html

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 26, 2003 - 08:59 pm

Black Walnut Recipes

Here are some Black Walnut Recipes

http://www.black-walnuts.com/homerecipes.asp

Tiger Tom

MaryZ

January 26, 2003 - 09:22 pm

Once more for pecans....I found this recipe for pralines on one of the web sites posted. It sounds exceptionally decadent (and easy, which makes it even worse).

MICROWAVE PECAN PRALINES

INGREDIENTS:
One box of brown sugar
One-half pint of heavy whipping cream
Microwave for 13 minutes on HIGH in a 5 quart container.

ADD:
Two Tablespoons of Butter
Two Cups of Pecan Halves
One teaspoon of Vanilla
Mix and drop by spoonfuls onto aluminum foil. Let cool and start eating!

MaryZ

January 26, 2003 - 09:25 pm

This was in our paper's food section this week.

"The Walnut Marketing Board is offering a free 2 1/2x5 1/2"magnetic shopping-list pad, '100 Ideas,' with 100 ideas for including walnuts in the family diet. Around the margins of each shopping-list page are printed a couple of decorative phrases, with tips such as 'Layer chopped walnuts in Parfaits to give each spoonful crunch.' The pad is available by calling (800)758-2100 or writing to the Walnut Marketing Board: 100 Ideas, 847 Sansome St., Suite 100, San Francisco, CA 94111." Or check out http://www.walnuts.org .

GingerWright

January 26, 2003 - 10:12 pm

We are a Lovely Bunch of CocoNuts in here so if you had to be A Nut which one would You like to be? Just wondering.

Ginger

MarkS214

January 26, 2003 - 10:45 pm

We got our walnuts,pecans,mixed nuts, sunflower seeds (nuts to me) almonds and finally PEANUTS, (Virginias and in the shell. We munched on the peanuts as we watched one football team and a bunch of has-beens. I did notice, Tampa Bay played like the Raiders used too..Now I got to figure what to do with the leftover nuts. Cookies is good...

I remember cracking black walnuts far away when I was an urgent urchin..Used to bang my fingers up "good and plenty". Say now Tiger Tom, wouldn't banging on black walnuts be good for arthur's-itis,specially on the missed shots?...Rusty's Paw..

GingerWright

January 26, 2003 - 11:18 pm

Rusty Dog

Hi there So good to see You again. Aw the special meal in Az I will never forget as I did so enjoy you and Terri.

What are Virginias and in the shell as I never heard of them. I remember hitting my knuckes with the hammer also but then came the Nut Cracker are'nt we lucky.

Thanks for reminding me about the game a good one I thought. What is your take one it? You reminded me I was going to put the score in my Prefernces so Here I go. Smile.

Ginger

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 07:06 am

Rusty Dog and Tails,

Glad to see you back.

I only watched part of the game. I am a Raider Fan (the old Raiders) and I couldn't stand to see the meltdown.

Ginger, now that is a Good question. Haven't given it any thought. What one would you be?

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 07:26 am

Another Recipe,

Here is one more:

http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNotes/Recipe/Cran_Chicken.htm

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 07:39 am

Where is Annafair?

When this discussion first started she volunteered
to test one of the recipes posted. Anna are you there?

Have posted a large number of Recipes. Waiting for
a report. I know Prancer says she tried one of the
Almond Waffle recipes and said it was good.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 08:51 am

Monday morning Blah's?

Not much disucssion. Monday Morning Blah's
keeping everyone away?

Tiger Tom

MaryZ

January 27, 2003 - 09:00 am

Please permit a digression back to pecans. I remember the nutcracker we had when I was a kid - for pecans. It was iron, mounted on a board - sort of a cup on each end, with a turn-screw-handle. I would put one pointy end of the pecan in one cup, and turn the screw handle, pushing the other cup onto the other end of the pecan. If I turned it JUST right, the shell would pop open, and the nut meats could be taken out in two nice pieces...too hard, and the whole thing would shatter, and then I had to pick the small pieces out with a nut pick.

GingerWright

January 27, 2003 - 09:28 am

Mary Z I remember a nut cracker like that now that you mentioned it. Thanks for the Memories.

Tiger Tom I will take a run around the block to check on our Annafair.

Tiger Tom Annafair was having problems staying on line Friday but she shall return as soon as she can stay online.

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 10:40 am

Ginger,

thank you. If Anna cannot, try one, can you?

Tiger Tom

losalbern

January 27, 2003 - 11:20 am

Tiger, its a good thing we finally got past the Cashew discussion because early on I purchased a 16 oz can and was imbibing freely, possibly too freely, while listening to urgent discourses about calories from Mrs Losalbern. In the meantime, I have noticed that her purchases of almonds and English Walnut pieces are suddenly much harder to locate. I have to admit that after looking at one or two of your recipies I regrettably decided to pass over the newest ones because of their sugar content. Not good for diabetics who have long since learned that diabetes is natures way of making sure that a person doen't enjoy life toooo much. Other than that, I am nuts about this discussion. And so on to walnuts. Pat, my grandparents had a walnut tree where I learned how easily a little boy can get stained all over when picking up the ripened outer shell. Losalbern

BaBi

January 27, 2003 - 11:33 am

Natch, Losalbern. Walnut shells are one of the things used by early settlers to dye their homespun cloth.

If anyone wants to try it, a walnut pie can be made just like a pecan pie. Personally, I prefer the pecan. What we get here are usually English walnuts; does anyone know where black walnuts can be had? ..Babi

Diane Church

January 27, 2003 - 11:46 am

Health "nut" that I am, when I learned that walnuts are the only nuts to have the optimal ratio of omega 3 fatty acids to omega 6's, they immediately became my favorite.

Since we're not having a discussion on Brazil nuts may I throw in here that they have a lot of the trace mineral Selenium although, alas, too many omega 6's to compete with walnuts on that score.

OK, back to the fun stuff on walnuts.

GingerWright

January 27, 2003 - 11:54 am

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Tiger Tom Not to worry about our Annafair as soon she will return and tell all about the what she has fixed and eaten. Anna is excellent with Nuts as I have eaten some that she brought to the DC gathering, and they we Yummy. I am sorry to inform you that as for me I am not much of a baker etc. any more so buy pies etc. all ready cooked. Boo on Ginger.

Diane Church

January 27, 2003 - 11:55 am

Me too, Ginger. I consider myself a world class eater, but not much of a baker.

GingerWright

January 27, 2003 - 11:58 am

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Diane, Thank You for now I know that I am not alone in the way I do things now.

Lorrie

January 27, 2003 - 12:02 pm

I know we are past the pecans, but I wanted to tell you ,Tom, that the recipe someone sent in for pecan pie made with molasses, was great!. I have made peca pie before, but never with molasses, and it works fine. Just to let you know.

Lorrie

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 12:11 pm

Losalbern,

I am Diabetic also. Looking on the net for some tasty recipes causes my Blood Sugar Count to go up. I would love to eat any of the goodies but cannot. I was done in and pushed into Type II after being boreline for some years by Chocolate Covered Marshmallow. So, I am like you, I look and yearn but cannot touch. Seems to be the story of our life, No Booze, No Goodies, Nothing, just look. Of course, you have to be careful of what you are looking at when the wife is around.

Babi is right, I remember reading about "butternut" dyed clothes in colonial times.

Ginger, I am in mourning for the Raiders, Lousy game on their part.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 12:26 pm

Article,

Don't be offended but I thought this was interesting:

http://www.abc.net.au/hobart/stories/s740766.htm

Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 27, 2003 - 12:32 pm

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Tom LOL I think I like the ordinary way to crack nuts. I did read your clickable and have heard or seen it at some time.

Lorrie

January 27, 2003 - 12:36 pm

Tom:

In regard to your link to the article about Van Damme, I say this:

We all have our claim to fame. That's his.

Lorrie

LouiseJEvans

January 27, 2003 - 12:49 pm

I don't watch football games but since I am a Floridian and since the Dolphins weren't playing I was quite happy that Tampa won. It's about time a Florida team won something.

I copied that recipe for Microwave Pralines. It looks as though it would be fun to try. I like to eat nuts of all kinds but I am not sure WHICH one I am.

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 02:22 pm

Ginger, Lorrie,

I guess you do what you have to do to keep
your name in print.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 02:25 pm

Louis,

About TIME a Florida team won something? How about the National Championship for the U of Miami? Florida and Florida State have won that themselves a few times over the last decade or two. The Dolphins were terrorizing the NFL under Don Shula. The Florida Marlins won the World Series. What do you want?

Tiger Tom

LouiseJEvans

January 27, 2003 - 02:38 pm

We-e-el!! The Hurricanes are good aren't they and I'll never forget the night the Marlins won that World Series. I still have all the T-Shirts. I guess that makes me a real nut. I guess I like our Panthers too. I hope someday they win the Stanley Cup. The year every one was throwing rats onto the ice was such fun. One of the grocery stores made the best cake in the shape of a rat to celebrate. (rats are rodents and squirrels are too. Squirrels like nuts. There is a squirrel in that tree out side of my apartment. There are also 2 palm trees there. They are not coconut palms. My previous did have coconut palms but I never tried to eat any of the coconuts. Did you know that coconuts float? That's so that when they reach a new shore a new tree can grow.

Faithr

January 27, 2003 - 02:41 pm

I am definitely a cashew sort of soft and buttery and sweet. hahahah you ask for it. Had black walnut tree right in my yard here for 10 years when it began losing huge branch's so the park management took it out. In doing so they poked more holes in my roof and nearly destroyed my carport but mostly I miss the fall crop of black walnuts.

I had some screen baskets and I would pick them up when they fell every day and put in the baskets on saw horses in the back patio. When I had enough drying I would put them in boxes or bags and set by my steps for the neighbors who wanted them. And of course the squirrels stayed busy Burying them out in the flower beds where they sprout still ten years later. When they were all shriveled and black then you have to beat them in a sack till that outer shell comes off just like English walnuts. And dry them some more. Finally they can be put away in baskets each layer separated by straw and kept in a cool dry place. Around holidays they would be some ready to start cracking for cooking. Black walnuts have a very strong flavor and totally different from English. I like them. Many people do not. I even had a meatloaf that I put them in but children did not like it. I tried walnuts in my poultry dressing and again was talked out of that by the kids. Waldorf salad was about all they wanted to have nuts in or of course, ice-cream sundaes. But they loved to crack them for me when I cooked.( and eat them.) Just like all kids they ate more than went into the measuring cup. I cooked many dishes with walnuts in for my family and they learned to like them as they grew up.

Here is my Apple Pan DowdyPrepare 1 recipe of bis-quick drop biscuit's and set aside Peel and pare cooking apples into a glass casserole dish I suggest an 8 inch square Pyrex. Fill about half full with apples and pour juice of 1 lemon over and stir. Add 1 cup chopped walnuts- 1/2 to 3/4 cup sugar(depending on type of apples)-4 tablespoons butter broken into small pieces and Cinnamon and allspice to taste (use about 2 teaspoons Cinnamon and 1/4 tsp. allspice if your not sure) toss all together with 2 tbls flour.-. Drop spoon-fulls of batter over the apples leaving space in between drops and bake in 375 degree oven for about 45 minutes. If topping browns before apples are cooked cover with a piece of parchment paper to finish. faith

GingerWright

January 27, 2003 - 03:08 pm

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Faith That sounds So Good.

isak2002

January 27, 2003 - 03:39 pm

Could not help thinking of "Charlie's Aunt" when the fellow disquised as the Aunt says "How do you do?? I'm from Brazil, where the nuts come from!" - I love that movie and that saying....tho I'm not sure which category the Brazil nut is in. isak

GingerWright

January 27, 2003 - 03:45 pm

isak2002 I am truly LOL on that one, Thanks I needed that.

TigerTom

January 27, 2003 - 04:23 pm

Izak,

Sorry I didn't include the Brazil Nut. Had only so much time and thought I would take the more popular and well known nuts. Had I known that we would lag in the Cashew and Hazelnut portions I would have put in Brazil and Coconuts. Ah well, Feel free to discuss them if you want.

Faithr, do a google search of Black Walnuts you will find some intersting sites, facts, and recipes.

Tiger Tom

Prancer

January 27, 2003 - 05:05 pm

Tiger Tom

I found a recipe in an old cookbook - thought it was for walnuts - however, now see it is for Chesnuts.

I didn't think you would mind is I sneak it in this discussion. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

MONT BLANC OF CHESNUTS

Score 1 lb. chesnuts across rounded side with a sharp knife. Place in boiling water and simmer for 15 minutes. Drain, but keep warm. Slip off both skins. Return to pan, cover with boiling water and simmer for about 45 minutes, or until perfectly tender. Drain and mash with a little salt and a little sugar. Over a large serving dish, force chesnuts through a coarse sieve, a potato ricer, or a food mill with fairly large holes, into the shape of a mound. The chesnuts must be very light and fluffy.

Whip some cream and flavour with a little sugar and vanilla. Smooth cream over chesnut mound. Do not press down, or the Mont Blanc will lose it's fluffiness. Chill for a short time and serve.

BaBi

January 28, 2003 - 12:16 pm

On my one trip overseas, I tried the legendary roasted chestnuts. Terribly disappointing. They tasted like half-cooked, unseasoned beans. I bought them from a vendor in the park, so maybe they just weren't done right. Blah! Threw them away. ...Babi

Faithr

January 28, 2003 - 04:56 pm

Babi chestnuts do not taste like nuts. They are bland and more like a sweet potato or maybe a certain kind of squash but you are right if you expect the flavor of nuts you will be disappointed. My family always used them cooked, mashed or chopped in other recipes. Just plain they were OK if you peeled them, put on a tray with melted butter (salted), brown sugar, and spices then roasted them for a few minutes.

Walnuts are the best tasting nuts to me but I do have a problem with getting a sore mouth from them. English walnuts and black walnuts both.If I take the time to blanch them and rub off the thin brown peeling I don't have a problem with English walnuts. I have never tried that with black walnuts. I just eat them. Remember Walnutos the candy. Wow did I love those things. I have never eaten a butternut though my grandfather often told us of them. They also are another rather bland nut so he said. But they are healthy and have a nutritional quality that made the Native Americans just about able to live on them in the winter. He said it was one source of their "fat" and now of course we know that is true. Today I ate peanut butter on apple I sliced up, for my lunch. Velly good. fr

Prancer

January 28, 2003 - 04:59 pm

Walnuts

I can't tolerate Walnuts, either. Same thing with the sore mouth.

MOST things, I need to have well cooked, or I suffer.

TigerTom

January 28, 2003 - 05:28 pm

Hello,

So, while the Cat is away, not much going on in here. I was hoping that Walnuts might perk this disucssion up a bit, I guess I was wrong. Tomorrow, of course, we start on Peanuts. I hope that subject might get a little more participation.

Tiger Tom

Bobbiecee

January 28, 2003 - 05:58 pm

Walnuts give me a sore mouth as well. I don't eat many nuts per se, but do sprinkle LSA on my cereal each morning, and almond slivers in some vegies. The only nut I eat, just as a nut, are macadamias. I also have macadamia plunger coffee which I buy at locally. I do eat lots of avocados...put it on my bread as a spread instead of marg. The results of my latest blood tests showed that my bad cholesterol was very low and my good cholesterol was high, so I must be doing something right. I eat lots of fresh fruit and mushrooms in salads, and rarely eat sweets (desserts) except on special occasions. I'm not really a sweets eater...or nut eater either, I guess.

Bobbie

patwest

January 28, 2003 - 06:05 pm

If you have a problem eating nuts ... then peanuts should not be problem..

Peanuts are technically a bean and are classified as a fruit/legume, NOT A NUT!

Diane Church

January 28, 2003 - 06:26 pm

Tom, you apologize too much! I think this has been a wonderful discussion and have enjoyed it thoroughly. It moves right along from one nut to another (!) and already I am sorry that it will be ending soon. And I know I will need to go back and print up some of the recipes. You're doing a great job and I thank you for bringing us all together on this novel subject!

P.S. And I have to at least mention pine nuts at some point - a personal favorite!

TigerTom

January 28, 2003 - 09:19 pm

Here come the Peanuts.

How do you like them? Roasted, in the Shell, with
a Ball game in front of them? Roasted, out of a can?
Raw, unsalted? Boiled? In Peanut Butter? Or just
Salted, out of a celophane bag?

The Peanut may be the most popular Nut in the U.S.
certainly the one with the most uses thanks to
Dr. G. W. Carver.

Can you eat only one?

They are great with a cold Beer.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 28, 2003 - 09:37 pm

Something on the Peanut,

http://www.peanut-institute.org/

Tiger Tom

MaryZ

January 28, 2003 - 09:40 pm

Back during WW II, we had a victory garden (surely we all remember those). My parents had been born in NE Texas, but we were living in St. Louis at that time. My father decided that we (his daughters) should know where peanuts came from, so we planted peanuts in our victory garden. I'm sure we were the only household growing such things - but it was fun.

MaryZ

January 28, 2003 - 09:42 pm

Roasted chestnuts were mentioned as tasting like poorly seasoned beans. Has anybody here every tried the boiled peanuts that are sold along the back roads in the South? I haven't had those, but have been told they are REALLY nasty. I have had some at a friend's house, and they tasted just like the legumes they are - only you had to get them out of the then-soft shells. Must be an acquired taste.

TigerTom

January 28, 2003 - 09:50 pm

Some Peanut Recipes,

Here are some recipes for all sorts of dishes
containing Peanuts. Main Dishes and others.

http://www.peanut-institute.org/recipes.html

Tiger Tom

Prancer

January 29, 2003 - 08:25 am

Sesame Lemon Chicken

Now, THAT looks good. (just read it).

Peanut butter is a favorite of mine (not chunky) and I don't have a problem with digestion. Needless to say, it is a big hit with Grandchildren. I'm NEVER without peanut butter.

Sounds like I'll be off to the market for some peanut oil, though. Don't have that for the Chicken recipe.

Tonight's dinner - coming up!

Another good recipe site to keep. So much to try - so little time!

BaBi

January 29, 2003 - 10:49 am

TOM, what are you complaining about? I find more postings on this 'nutty' topic than in any other forum I regularly visit. Not much going on? Whew! ..Babi

DorisA

January 29, 2003 - 12:18 pm

Peanut Butter Cookies

1 cup peanut butter

1 cup sugar

1 egg

1teaspoon vanilla

Combine all ingredients and mix well. Drop by level teaspoon on cookie sheet sprayed with Pam. Bake in 375° oven for 8-10 minutes just until they start to brown. Do not over bake.

NO there is no flour.

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 12:29 pm

Doris A,

I have a number of Peanut Butter recipes.

Best one came out of a cookie book that I bought in the early 70, which my wife gave away. I miss that recipe although I can no longer eat the Cookies due to Diabetes.

This one looks easy.

Tiger Tom

DorisA

January 29, 2003 - 12:33 pm

Not only are they simple but they are like a peanut butter cup. Delicious.

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 12:38 pm

Prancer,

Just looked at that recipe, You had better start on that meal early because it looks a little labor intensive.

Doris A, Like a Reeces Peanut Butter Cup?

I like Peanut Butter on bread or in a cookie.

Tiger Tom

DorisA

January 29, 2003 - 12:54 pm

Yes, something like that only without the chocolate. I wonder if Splenda would work instead of sugar?

Faithr

January 29, 2003 - 01:22 pm

Doris try the splenda I have made cookies (oatmeal) with it that came out good. Use equal amount of splenda as sugar called for in your recipe.

I love peanuts but when the MD took me off salt I thought, there go my nut snacks. Ah contraire`! I found unsalted roasted peanuts in the shell at my regular grocery-store. So, I can still have my ten peanuts for a snack with my apple or I have peanut butter with celery . I can maintain a fairly low calorie diet if I can have some nuts every day. Peanuts are best. Then cashews. I have heard that cashews are also a legume. Saw nothing about that in the literature TT posted.

I use to go to the health food store for peanut butter but find Laura Scudder natural smooth is really good and so I use that mostly. Some times I make a mistake and get the crunchy and so then I have a little problem with teeth for that length of time but it is ok...just have to be near a place to wash my mouth out...I Think, though I could be mistaken, that my diabetic grandson and niece (Juvenile Diabetes) both have nuts in their diet. And cookies etc. It is total carbs they watch and of course the white sugar must be carefully watched. I notice that most nuts have a natural sweetness in the mouth as they are chewed. It makes for a pleasant snack. I could live on olives, nuts, avocado's, and grapes. Sounds like a Mediterranean diet to me. fr

LouiseJEvans

January 29, 2003 - 02:39 pm

I like the chunky peanut butter. Every morning I put a dolop of it along with some raisins or dried friut in my oatmeal. I like peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Peanut butter can be used as a thickening agent. I have seen peanuts used similar to any other legume. I can't find it right now, but I have a diet book suggesting peanut butter to help with weight loss.

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 04:03 pm

Doris, Faithr,

I use something called Diabitesweet. It is very good
has none of the Aspartame in it. The claim on
the Can is that it can be used in baking and cooking. I haven't
tried to use it in either, but it very good in my morning
Coffee and on Cereal. NO aftertaste that one gets in
Sweet and Low and some of the other Sugar Substitutes.

I buy it at Walmart.

Tiger Tom

Ginny

January 29, 2003 - 05:30 pm

Bringing up the rear but have so enjoyed all your stories on the peanut!!

Mary, growing peanuts is something else, huh? Hahahaha I was a grown woman when I first saw my first peanut off the plant, could hardly take it in!

Faith, I copied down your Apple Pan Dowdy recipe a long time back and it looks super, when you put on the biscuit stuff on top, you said to leave spaces? So you have really kind of globs on top?

I've got to try that Sunday, have always wanted to make it!

I love boiled peanuts and and peanut butter, even the low fat kind, but I could eat myself sick with peanut butter and jelly. Or sugar. Or bananas like Louise. I have not tried raisins, why ever not?

Doris, those peanut butter cookies look scrumptuous, I must try them, too, Tiger, you have unleashed the COOK in some of us.

We used to buy peanuts as children to feed the elephants in the zoo, I bet they don't let you do that now.

Reece's Pieces are super. My kids love them, they’re like little M&Ms but with peanut butter.

Wasn’t it peanuts that George Washington Carver did his famous work on?

My husband (whose family grows them) says the peanut plant makes the best hay ever. Of course you don’t see it any more.

My husband was telling me something really interesting, or so this city girl found it (I grew up in Philadelphia and was just telling him about I had no memory of peanuts save buying bags to feed the elephants in the zoo) and he, however grew up on a farm in Georgia and has been telling me about something that’s no longer done: shocking peanuts.

Apparently more than 50 years ago, to harvest a peanut on a large or commercial scale for a farmer (versus home use) was a labor intensive process! The farmer first plowed up the peanuts and then dug deep holes and set in tall posts, right in the field.

Then he put cross boards near the bottom to keep the peanuts off the ground and they pitched the peanut plants around these tall poles and on them until they reached in a huge mound like an Indian hut higher than a ceiling and my husband says (the nuts would be on there, and green) these mounds all over the fields were the prettiest things you’d ever see.

THEN when they had dried, they’d bring in a combine, and pull off the peanut plants and manually feed them in the combine.

THEN they’d bring in a hay baler and get up the hay which the combine had spit out.

My husband says that the old World Books, if you have one, show the old peanut shocks, as that was what they called them, and that, until the modern way of doing it, was the way you’d do it, and he’s 59 and recalls by the time he got big enough to help they had discontinued that labor intensive practice, so it was a pretty good while ago, but he says it sure was pretty standing in the fields, looked like an Indian village.

And that’s my peanut story for today!

ginny

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 05:45 pm

Ginny,

Thanks a bunch for your post. Interesting how little we know of something that is so familiar to us.

I too fed Elephants Peanuts. The Elephant would hold it's Trunk out and one would put a peanut in each nostril (I guess that is what they are called) and the Elephant would push the end of it's Trunk into it's mouth and blow the peanuts down it's Throat. I hated to give up the Peanuts but it was too much fun feeding them to the Elephants.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 05:49 pm

Pat W,

forgive me for being such a Clod. I had not noticed that you put the Nut of the Day Graphic by the Schedule. I noticed the graphic but thought it was just a Nut. Wasn't until today when I saw the Peanut that I realized what you had been doing. Talk about looking but not seeing. THANKS very much it has added to the disucssion even if I wasn't aware of it. Don't you just hate it when your creativity goes unnoticed.

Tiger Tom

patwest

January 29, 2003 - 06:58 pm

Thanks, Tom... But the fun was mine... Looking for a different nut each time... Now I'm off to search for pistachios and/or macadamias.

Bill H

January 29, 2003 - 06:59 pm

Pat, we were posting at the same time.

Tom, I think this is a good discussion. I've been lurking and LOL at some of the posts I've read.

I would like to see someone feeding elephants peanuts. I never knew one was put into each nostril. The reason I say I would like to see someone else do it is because you never know when the elephant would give the hand that feeds it yank and blow that hand down its throat.

But seriously, did any of you hear on the news or read in the paper about the elephant at the Pittsburgh zoo fatally crushing her trainer? The elephant had been quite docile all her zoo life and the trainer had been with her for quite a number of years. Every morning before the zoo opened to the public the trainer would walk sthe same elephant on various paths around the zoo. On one morning walk and without warning the elephant knocked him to the ground and crushed his chest with her head. The other zoo attendants and trainers reported that the victim was never known to have mistreated the animal. It was reported that perhaps captivity may have crazed the poor beast. You know, these creatures of the wild were never meant to be held in captivity.

Bill H

Faithr

January 29, 2003 - 07:00 pm

Ginny yes globs hahahah or dots, or spoonsful. And my sis said to cook the apples in the pan without the biscuits for awhile then put the biscuits on after the apples are soft and cook another 12 to 15 minutes when topping is done...sounds good to me. My topping is always very brown and well cooked so she could be right. One friend said "Well what makes a pan downdy different from a cobbler?" and I do not know. Isnt a cobbler a one crust pie?

I have eaten Peanut butter soup!!!I do not have a recipe but an acquainance served it and it was very good. She had sour creme dabbed on top and little oyster crackers and toasted croutons on the bread and butter plate to use as you desired. When I put one of the croutons in and then tasted it I got a swell surprise. She had buttered the bread then put garlic powder and chili powder on it then toasted it and cut into cubes.they were delicious in the soup. I think the soup had a chicken and vegetable broth base but it was like a creamed soup( no thing in it). fr

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 07:44 pm

Peanut Butter Soup with Pepper Jelly,

Here is an interesting recipe for Peanut Butter Soup

http://www.peanutbutterlovers.com/recipes/soup_jelly.html

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 07:51 pm

Sate,

Here is a recipe for Sate with Peanut Sauce.

http://www.lascruces.com/~greywall/foodfolder/chicken_3/ChiInd.html

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 29, 2003 - 07:59 pm

Peanut Sauce,

On this site is a recipe for authentic Peanut Sauce
using Real Peanuts, not Peanut Butter. Number of other
interesting sauces too.

http://www.asiarecipe.com/indosauce.html

Tiger Tom

tigerliley

January 30, 2003 - 06:32 am

Southerners posting here know how to delectable the "boiled and salted Peanut" is to them......Not everyone acquires a taste for them....I did....I quit eating them as I could not seem to quit!! I was amazed when working in the Master Gardener garden to find that after peanuts bloom they then "bury" their heads and the legume is formed under ground......A ground cover called "perennial peanut" has been developed and is quite pretty with a little yellow blossom....hardy too.....no peanuts though.........

Ann Alden

January 30, 2003 - 10:05 am

Being a huge fan of peanut butter, I will give you my favorite peanut butter sandwiche recipes

. Using raisin bread, spread peanut butter on one piece of bread and mayonaise on the other. Then top with lettuce. OOOOOHHHHH! Its so good. Another way to make it, is to use:

Plain brown bread covered with the peanut butter and mayonaise. Sprinkle with raisins, top with lettuce. These are two of my favorite sandwiches.

Eating peanuts in the shells is a passion for my husband. I have threatened to buy him his own personal vacuum for around his chair. What a mess! But he's happy so that's fine with me!

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 11:59 am

Ann,

I understand that Charlton Heston is a Huge fan of Peanut Butter too. He slathers it on anything and just about everything he eats. He might like your Sandwich.

Tiger Tom

BaBi

January 30, 2003 - 12:43 pm

FAITH, I always thought cobbler had only a top crust, usually laid out it strips. Couldn't say about a Pan Dowdy;never actually saw one.

Does anybody want a recipe for a peanut butter pie that's so rich you can only eat one small slice of it anyway? ...Babi

Faithr

January 30, 2003 - 01:06 pm

Yes Babi we want the rich peanut butter pie.!!! Today I am making TT peanut butter soup recipe he put a link to. It is a wonderful sounding recipe and much like what I thought it must be. I already have all the ingredients in my pantry so will go to town. However, I will have to cut ingredients in half as I don't want to eat it two days in a row. Don't know how it would save but wont try this time.

I do love peanuts and raisins together and use to make a candy with both. Also I put peanuts in my chocolate chip cookies recipe. My children were the original nut eaters. I could put candy in a dish on the coffee table and even the baby would pass it up but if I put nuts out watch out those three kids would have them scarfed down in just a minute. So I never put party nuts out until I had at least the baby in bed, and the older ones had a share of their own and were told to keep out of the adult party fixins. Which they did. They loved salty food not sweet. In fact that was one reason they didn't like some recipes...to sweet. I rarely made desert for them as they were happy with a piece of melon or nothing at all, maybe a lemon or lime sorbet in the summer. I have a sweet tooth that can be satisfied with a handful of peanuts and raisins or maybe two chocolate kiss' and six or seven cashews. But watch out if I make Babi's pie. I might have to give half or more to my bachelor neighbors to save my "figure" hahahaha (well I had one somewhere).fr

ps did you see on good morning america where she put peanut butter on some peanut brittle her nephew sent her and ate it last night and now she said"I am operating this morning on a sugar high" I thought it was really funny. fr

Diane Church

January 30, 2003 - 01:09 pm

Babi, don't dare me! I probably could, and WOULD, eat more than one small slice - believe me.

I do have to share MY version of the ultimate peanut butter sandwich. Interestingly, I thought it was invented one summer at the Jersey shore when a friend was spending a weekend with us. Shortly thereafter me stepfather said that oh no - he had invented it years before. And then many, many years later my own husband claimed HE had invented it.

Anyway, it's any kind of bread, spread with peanut butter, then topped with sliced or chopped onions, and finally a generous layer of ketchup. I just betcha several of you already know about this one. And, it IS good!

Bill H

January 30, 2003 - 01:22 pm

I love peanut butter especially with saltine crackers or with just about everything else. A friend loved peanut butter and banana sandwiches, however, when I tried this I found it not at all to my liking. Have any of you tried peanut butter and banana sandwiches?

Bill H

Diane Church

January 30, 2003 - 01:30 pm

Yup, Bill, peanut butter and banana makes a wonderful combination. The banana has to be nicely ripe and you mash it with a fork over the peanut butter, right?

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 01:46 pm

Chocolate Covered Peanut Butter Pie

Here is a recipe for Chocolate Covered Peanut Butter Pie
Might be a bit rich.

http://www.wchstv.com/gmarecipes/peanutbutterpie.html

Tiger Tom

Prancer

January 30, 2003 - 01:49 pm

Tiger Tom

I'm looking at that recipe --Going to lose my mind for sure!!

Ohhhh! that looks good.....

LouiseJEvans

January 30, 2003 - 02:05 pm

Peanut butter and banana sandwishes were the favorites of Elvis Presley. He fried his bananas. I learned about the banana and peanut butter sandwiches from some Hawaiian friends of mine when I was in colege. I never fried the bananas. The only fried bananas I know about are the plantains that are popular here in Miami. These are usually green and considered a starch. I have fried them just like potatoes.

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 02:10 pm

Peanut Butter Cake,

Here is a Peanut Butter Cake (with Mashed Banana in it)

http://www.scdrecipe.com/r_007_00204.html

Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 30, 2003 - 02:17 pm

I Love Peanut Buter pie, Peanut Buter with Banana's But then I do have strange taste as I also like scrambled eggs with Chile on them betcha peanuts on that would be good also a must try for me.

GingerWright

January 30, 2003 - 02:19 pm

Just thought that those boiled peanuts might be good in Chile instead of beans.

LouiseJEvans

January 30, 2003 - 02:24 pm

Ginger, I like salsa on my scrambled eggs. Your idea of using peanuts in Chili sounds most interesting and worth a try. There is a chili cook off here in south Florida this weekend. I bet none of those participants ever thought of that. It could be the "secret ingredient."

GingerWright

January 30, 2003 - 02:48 pm

Louise I have never heard of it either as it just came to my mind while reading here. Will you have an entree in the chili cook off?

isak2002

January 30, 2003 - 04:05 pm

Tom This peanut portion of the topic is my fvorite - I think my middle name should be peanut butter...I have two kinds in my fridge, and love a peanut butter and raspberry jam sandwich - tho any flavor of jam or jelly will satisfy - orange marmalade is especially good. Also, I have enjoyed an occasional peanut butter and sweet pickle sandwich....no kidding! To really be a health nut, you can enjoy peanut butter on Health Nut (Orowheat) Bread. It does not get much better than that...unless I take the time to toast the bread and then let the p.b. melt before eating. Yum! Again - I think having this discussioj on nuts has been excellent. Thanks, everyone - I have learned a lot. isak

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 04:30 pm

Soup,

A Peanut-Chili Soup,

http://recipe-appetizer.com/26/141752.shtml

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 04:39 pm

Peanut Chili,

Here is a recipe for Peanut Chili

http://www.graht.com/recipes/peanut_chili.htm

Tiger Tom

Ginny

January 30, 2003 - 04:40 pm

Isn't this fun?! Isak I agree, I've learned a lot, too, Diane!@ You don't mean that sandwich!

Are you serious?

hahaha I think we need a MOST UNUSUAL SANDWICH contest, I love ketchup on everything that does not move but that's a new one!

My father had one he thought he invented and I did too till I had a Monte Cristo once at Bennigans, you take two pieces of bread or toast, put jelly on one piece and mustard on the other, put bologna or ham against the mustard and cheese against the jelly and VOILA! You can toast it like a croque monsieur or put powdered sugar on it like a monte cristo.

Anyway NO peanut or peanut butter on that one@

Faith I loved your story about your children preferring fruit to sweets, boy with our first son we were perfect parents, the child ate fruit and natural things, and literally did not know what a cookie was, the Kindergarten teacher irritatedly (this was a long time ago) asked me what I thought he should be eating for snack time as he didn't seem to know what their snacks were hahahahaha

By the time the second one came along 5 years later, unfortunately, ol mom had slipped a little and the poor kid had mom's eating habits, no calls from the kindergarten teacher!

My oldest makes a super pecan (not peanut) brittle, too.

PS: in reading your ealier posts I had no idea black walnuts were edible, we have plenty of black walnut and hickory trees here, I think the black walnuts are poisonous to horses (Pat isn't that true?) and you can run a car over them to crack them, but the hickory is the prettiest tree ever made, like a golden sugar maple in the fall, just very distinctive and HUGE.

Let's have a most unusual sandwich contest, Tiger!! hahahaha

(I think Diane would win) Who will be first to try her peanut butter/ onion/ ketchup sandwich!??(

ginny

GingerWright

January 30, 2003 - 05:31 pm

Tiger Tom Thanks for the Peanut Chille reciepe. I wonder how it would be with out smashing the nuts but have those boiled peanuts instead of Beans?

tigerliley

January 30, 2003 - 06:02 pm

actually when I first tasted a boiled peanut it reminded me very much of beans......I 'll just bet they would be very good in a chili.....

GingerWright

January 30, 2003 - 06:18 pm

tigerliley Thanks glad you agree.

Bill H

January 30, 2003 - 06:34 pm

Peanut Butter sandwiches

Well, I didn't mash the bananas into the peanut butter; I just sliced the banana over the peanut butter that was already spread on the one piece of bread and then put the other slice of bread on top. Maybe that's why I didn't like it. I must try it again some day.

Bill H

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 07:23 pm

Ginny,

Most unusual Sandwich Contest. You would just be
encouraging them. You have no idea of some of the Gawd Awful concotions out there. I mean really gross. But, there are those who eat them happily while other around them are gagging.

It would be intersting if only to find out what some people are willing to eat and what they think is "Good" Hmmmmm. Perhaps that might be a subject for the Curious Minds?

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 07:30 pm

Chili,

I had a bowl of Wendy's Chili for dinner. It is about the only Chili I have these days as my wife has not made a pot of Chili in some years. Hers is great. However, I can only eat a mild Chili these days so Wendy's is it.

Tiger Tom

Diane Church

January 30, 2003 - 07:52 pm

Oh Ginny, I kid you not. Try it! - peanut butter, onions, and ketchup.

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 08:00 pm

Boiled Peanuts

I did a Google search on Boiled Peanuts.

Seems simple to make: A bag of unroasted Peanuts in the shell, salt and water. Fill pot with water, dump in Peanuts, add salt and boil Hell out of them for several hours.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 10:33 pm

Pistachio's and Macadamia's Next.

Leave Peanuts and on to the exotic ones.

Tiger Tom

GingerWright

January 30, 2003 - 10:36 pm

Tiger Tom After boiling them there peanuts then Make Chille with no beans.

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 10:39 pm

Pistachio's

Some info on Pistachio's

http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNotes/Food_Guide/Pistachios.htm

Tiger Tom

MarkS214

January 30, 2003 - 10:48 pm

I am going down stairs and drown my self in peanuts and peanut butter...Rusty's Paw..

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 10:53 pm

Macadamia Nut

More that you ever wanted to know about the Macadamia

http://www.coopersnuthouse.com/maclib/themacadamiastory.html

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 10:54 pm

Rusty Dog,

You can post what you want about Peanuts, I am just setting up for tomorrow.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 11:01 pm

Muffins

Some Pineapple, Macadamia Nut Muffins

http://www.lanierbb.com/recipes/data/bk719.html

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 30, 2003 - 11:02 pm

Good Night,

It is late (for me) and I am tired of fighting with my ISP. So, good night. More tomorrow on these nuts.

Tiger Tom

Ann Alden

January 31, 2003 - 06:57 am

Before we leave the peanuts and peanut butter, I have always enjoyed slathering a banana with peanut butter for breakfast. Along with a glass of orange juice, its the perfect health food. After all, if you look at the contents of the many sandwiches and other concoctions here, they are really very healthy. My son had a stomach problem while very young so he had to be sure and have a decent and filling breakfast before leaving the house. Unfortuneately, he became tired of eating bacon and eggs so I started offering him the peanut butter on a banana plus orange juice often. It was certainly easy to fix. :<) And, he still eats it when he is in a hurry in the morning because there's no cooking involved and not many dishes to wash either.

When we lived in Georgia, I tried the boiled peanuts that are sold along the backroads every weekend and just couldn't get used to them but the suggestion of trying them in chili sounds good so maybe I will try that. They are, after all is said and done, just another legume or bean!

We used to buy the most delicious cookies at an Italian food store in Torrance,CA which contained macedamia nuts and choclate chunks. Makes my mouth water just to type this! They were so good!

I have been looking for the substitute ingredient amounts on the Splenda and Fructose packages. According to the Fructose, you use about 2/3 or 3/4 of the amount of sugar but with Splenda its much less. How much less I haven't discovered. We have a dear friend living here in Columbus(from Georgia) who is a diabetic and I am going to give his wife the name of TT's sweetner from Walmart. Diabitesweet, is that right? She used Fructose for a long time but I think he had to even stop using that and go to the artificial sweetner.

Ann Alden

January 31, 2003 - 07:17 am

I was perusing another site for peanuts when "google" brought up this recipe and thought that those who watch their sugar intake but like cookies and peanut butter might want to have this recipe. Its for a cookie, "Peanutbutterapple"! Sounds good to me. Peabutapp

And here's the Splenda site with recipes and substitution amounts. "http://www.splenda.com/"

I have tried(many times) to put the site's link here but it won't track so am just putting up the URL for anyone who might want to look at it. Also, here's a link to a site that warns against using Splenda(sucralose). SucraloseSafety

TigerTom

January 31, 2003 - 09:58 am

Ann,

Diabetisweet, right.

Tell your friend that I am Diabetic and this product is Sugar free, and does not have any Saccrine or Aspatame, none of that stuff.

My Blood Sugar count is way down using this product. Only time it is up much is when I eat something that has a fairly large amount of Sugar in it. Ask your friend to give it a try for a while. As I say, NO aftertaste at all. Sweetens but not overly sweet like saccrine. One cup of Diabetisweet is equal to one cup of Sugar so you can see that it is not one of those overbearing sweetners.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 31, 2003 - 10:05 am

Ann,

Here is some info on Diabetisweet:

http://www.diabeticproducts.com/press_detail.cfm?prid=7

To find out more do a Google search

Tiger Tom

Faithr

January 31, 2003 - 10:20 am

I appreciate the information on diabetisweet which I take it is spleda by another name. My grandson has juvinile diabetis and was very happy to use spleda as part of his diet adjustment. He has been taking care of his own health since he was 10 years old and came home from diabetic kids camp. He went every year and became a counsler . He is in his thirties now and doing well for a brittle diabetic. He has to test test test. The thing I learned that he is not the same every day or even morning to afternoon depending on lots of things like activity, diet, his medication, and even how much water he drinks when he is active can be a factor in a change in blood sugar. He makes little or no comment about his condition and when he comes to dinner he just takes care of his own servings.

I have never eaten a pistachio nut but have had the ice cream. Macadamiums I love but find them a little more oily than I like. My favorite of the exotic nuts is the brazil nut. I really should try pistachio's. faith

TigerTom

January 31, 2003 - 11:11 am

Faithr,

Diabetisweet is NOT Spleda by another name. Different product entirely.

Tiger Tom

TigerTom

January 31, 2003 - 11:20 am

Recipe,

Here is a Recipe that includes Pistachio Nuts
Check out the sidebar on the left, lots of recipes
there.

http://www.channel3000.com/recipes/1239930/detail.html

Tiger Tom

Katie Sturtz

January 31, 2003 - 01:04 pm

I've been lurking today in this whole long and wonderful nut discussion and would like to add a note or two...

ANN...those round white candies with the hazelnut inside are called Moth Balls where I come from, and they are still being sold. Try a good candy store.

If you are diabetic, I suggest only fresh ground or Smucker's peanut butter. All the other brands have sugar added. Why is a mystery to me. Yeah, I know...Smucker's has to be stirred and then refrigerated, but a little exercise is good for you!

The best, and only, peanut butter sandwich is made with white bread, peanut butter, and sliced Kosher dill pickles. Period. Nothing worse than something sweet with peanut butter. Oh...I have used sliced olives in a peanut butter sandwich and that is very tasty, too. Also bacon!

The trouble with Pistachios around here is that I tend to make a meal of them. They're worse than eating peanuts, I think...I can never eat just one!

This has been a super discussion, TIGER TOM! You wouldn't believe how many things I've added to my Bookmarks! Thanks!

Love...Katie

BaBi

January 31, 2003 - 01:55 pm

So many posts just since yesterday!

Okay, here's my Peanut Butter Pie, but I'm following it with a recipe for a coconut pound cake that my aunt used to make for her diabetic husband. It's scrumptious.

Peanut Butter Pie

Make a graham cracker crust; bake @ 425 for 9 min.

Filling:3oz. cream cheese, softened       2 t. vanilla 
1 c. confectioners sugar, sifted          1&1/2c. chilled heavy cream 
1/4 c. milk                               3T chopped unsalted peanuts 
1 c. smooth peanut butter

Beat cheese c/ sugar 'til light & fluffy. Beat in milk, peanut butter & vanilla. Beat the cream. Stir in 1/3; fold in the remainder. Turn into shell. Sprinkle w/ peanuts. Chill, covered, at least 4 hours.

COCONUT POUND CAKE

6 eggs, separated        1/2 t. almond ext. & 1/2 t. coconut ext. 
1 c. shortening (Crisco)      3 c. cake flour 
1/2 c. oleo                   1 c. milk 
3c sugar substitute           2 c. grated coconut

Preheat oven to 300 deg. Grease 10" tube pan. Separate eggs; put whites in large bowl until of room temp. At hi-speed, mix yolks c/shortening and oleo 'til well blended. Gradually add sugar until light & fluffy. Add extracts and beat 'til blended. At low speed beat in flour alternately with milk. Add coconut, beat 'til well blended. Beat egg whites 'til stiff; fold into batter. Bake two hours or until toothpick comes out clean. Let cool in pan 15 min. 12-16 servings.

Enjoy ...Babi

TigerTom

January 31, 2003 - 03:02 pm

Katie,

Nice of you to post today. Hope you have bookmarked all of the Recipe Links so that you can go over them later. Many of the links have sidebars with other recipes and Links to other sites.

Tiger Tom

Borealis

January 31, 2003 - 08:16 pm

Tiger Tom: you thought it was quiet in here? It has taken me quite a while to catch up on back posts right from a few days ago when Claude van Damme was trying to beat the Guiness records - will he be remembered for such an accomplishment?

Then I walked on by and found discussion on chestnuts but there was no open fire to roast them. But I did want to suggest that anyone who ever has chestnuts available around Thanksgiving should give some thought to using them in stuffing in the turkey - absolutely delicious if you have the patience to cut the hard outer skin and boil till soft and then peel the outer skin off. Then chop them and add them to the stuffing mix.

FaithR: you mentioned butternuts - seem to remember eating them one time and they were delicious. I did a quick search to find where they could be bought online but "butter nuts" are words used for all nut butters. I think it is something like shea butter used in some other countries.

Walnuts went right by me - missed out on that all together and those are my most favorite for walnut bread - very good for you and you can make it with very low amounts of sugar.

Thanks Tiger Tom - this has been a very pleasant site to visit

Edith

MaryZ

January 31, 2003 - 10:25 pm

Great job! Tom. Thanks for this interesting and different session.

Faithr

January 31, 2003 - 11:36 pm

Edith if I am right butternuts are sort of like English walnuts, though not as tasty and I think native to the east coast USA. That is where Hickory nuts are too I think.

I have had chestnut stuffing at holidays in the long time ago. I remember when we read about all the chestnut trees dying and being pulled out. That was 60 years ago. Now they are making a comeback.

The lore of the nut is endlessly fascinating. I spend a lot of time in the links TT has put up and my notepad has really come into use. By the way Tom thanks for the sugar substitute tips ..I have it straight now. I dont use them but some in the family do. faith

TigerTom

February 1, 2003 - 07:21 am

Mary Z, Faithr,

We are rounding the turn comin up to the wire Still we have a bit of time left to discuss whatever we want on the various Nuts.

Tiger Tom

Ginny

February 1, 2003 - 07:30 am

Babi, a fabulous peanut butter pie recipe and intriguing cocoanut cake also, have printed them both out, many thanks!

Can't believe the shuttle is in trouble!!

Gosh!!

Wonderful job, Tiger, very proud of you all,

ginny

MaryZ

February 1, 2003 - 08:32 am

Sorry, Tom - I had it in my head yesterday (Friday) that today (Saturday) was going to be Sunday. Y'all understand that, don't you. Please tell me that you do.

Mary

Prancer

February 1, 2003 - 09:39 am

Mary Z (zwyram)

Don't feel badly. I have no idea WHAT day it is! LOL

I guess it doesn't matter with a great discussion going on.

TigerTom

February 1, 2003 - 10:30 am

All,

Thank you for your participation in this discussion.

I hope that you have learned a bit about the health and nutrititonal values of edible Nuts.

I also hope that you have bookmarked all of the links I have posted. Many of them contain more than just one recipe or bit of information. Lots of them have sidebars and links that contain recipes or information.

Again, Thank you for making this discussion so enjoyable.

Contine, if you want with whatever you may wish to add.

I think that with the events of the Day that there probably will not be much interest in posting here.

I hope you join tomorrows new subject on Curious Minds.

Tiger Tom

Prancer

February 1, 2003 - 11:10 am

Tiger Tom

Thank you very much for a most interesting and informative discussion.

I certainly have saved all of the information and am acting on a lot of it.

Today's events are indeed very sad. I am watching. Cannot believe my eyes.

jeber

February 1, 2003 - 11:13 am

Just found this discussion this evening, most interesting, and I look forward to trying the recipe sites. Just want to add that in this country, a butter nut isn't a nut at all, but a type of squash!

DorisA

February 1, 2003 - 11:23 am

My grandfather used to have a nut that he called a butternut. It looked like an elongated black walnut. It was hard to crack and pick similar to a walnut but had a different taste. Is that like the nuts you refer to as butternuts?

Bill H

February 1, 2003 - 11:27 am

Mary Z, I know the feeling– what day is it?

Tom, I enjoyed your discussion and reading the many posts from the readers. The two weeks seem to fly past when something good is happening.

Bill H

LouiseJEvans

February 1, 2003 - 03:24 pm

Yesteday when I went to the grocery store, I passed l by the soy nuts and brought soeme home. Soy beans are legumes but some one has figured out how to roast them and even flavor them and they become nuts. I got acquainted with them when I stayed in the hospital with a sick friend. As I left for the hospital I grabbed the bag of soynuts. That and whatever I could find to drink was all I had for a couple of days. The ones I have now are apple flavored.

TigerTom

February 1, 2003 - 05:17 pm

Louise,

You can find a commercialy made Soy Nut Butter (Looks like Peanut Butter) on Supermarket shelves in the Peanut Butter and Jelly Section.

Tiger Tom

patwest

February 1, 2003 - 08:44 pm

This Nutty Discussion is filled to overflowing. It is now Read Only

We need to open a new one ..

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