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Welcome to the new location for Mystery Corner.

Thanks for inviting me.

The new choices after you hit subscribe are a tad confusing, but hopefully I picked the one I was supposed to. Thanks for the George Baxt link.. Was fun.

I now have a spreadsheet to keep track of my mystery reading. I tend to forget titles, so hopefully this will help me. Also, I can add more than one title under an author by just inserting a row. I also write my evaluation and the publication date. With mysteries, whether they were written before or after 9/11 can make a difference.

Well I was never one for a mystery but loved Mystery Theatre on PBS and liked the old Miss Marple movies with Margaret Rutherford - there were many Miss Marples and for me Joan Hickson was OK but never did take to Angela Lansbury in the role.

Browzing one day I found a copy of Agatha Raison that I sat down right there with a cup of coffee in Borders and read the book - it was a delight - just the kind of light reading I enjoyed where the countryside is a character - especially the countryside of the United Kingdom - this is when I was reading Rosamunde Pilcher and Maeve Binchy - later I learned the kind of mystery I liked was called Cozy Mysteries.

Since, I wait for the Agatha Raison latest to be published in paper back for around $6 -- BUT this Christmas I picked up an interesting Historical mystery by Karen Harper, who is evidently also a Romance writer - that I didn't know till I finished her book The Queene's Christmas

Again, the backdrop was what I found enchanting and the way she starts each chapter - she starts off with a recipe or custom of the time and how the item was made - like a Kissing Bough - she explains how for instance, the Kissing Bough had to have enough mistletoe berries since most of the men who kissed a lady took a berry as a notch so to speak - then she includes the bit of custom or dish that she gave the recipe and how it is served at the start, within the chapter - it was fun -

A tidbit - where a boar served has an apple in it's mouth, a peacock has a lighted taper in its gilded beak.

She has written 5 mysteries all with the court of Elizabeth I of England as the backdrop - after a slow beginning which seems to be more about word pictures of the times and describing the players, since their Elizabethan jobs are no longer a part of our experience, [ex; where and how candles and torches were made and scented as Elizabeth looks for clues from a discarded small torch] the pace picks up halfway through and it is off to the races not being able to put the book down till the wee hours reading till the mystery murderer is identified.

Amazing to me is she is an American author but she sure has the Elizabethan customs and life style down as not only believable but instructive as well. This one the court characters are the stuff of history and when you think it through the murderer should have been obvious quickly but it is well written so that I was carried along in suspense till the end.

For me, the best Jane Marple will always be Helen Hayes. She only made two, for television, but they were great.

Karen Harper sounds great, Stephanie. I love that sort of thing; the historical 'tidbits'.

I can well imagine Helen Hayes in the role of Miss Marple; wish I had seen those shows. But then, I remember listening as Helen Hays read from a telephone book, and was fascinating!

Babi

Babi, that was Barbara that sent the message on the historical. I like some of the historical mysteries, but not all. Picky picky. I found an old Robert Crais at the used book store today. Oh joy.. one I have not read.

Just finished the latest Perri O'Shaunessy (Unlucky in Law), am almost finished with the latest Tess Gerritson (Body Double); have the latest Lisa Scottoline next in the lineup.

The O'Shaunessy was good, the Gerritson is "super". Let you know later about "Killer Smile" (Scottoline). Really off on a big mystery kick this month, whle trying to read some "literature" - Gilead, A Memory of Running and Eventide.

I am still working on several books at once. Happens around holidays. I end up with new and old and cannot resist dipping into several. My bedtime very light reading just now is:"Killing Cassiday" by Jeanee Dams. An american who has married a brit and is back in the states on a mission for an old friend. Nicely done thus far.

I picked up a Robert Crais also but later found I already had it - I do that all the time - is he still writing? I hope so! I love his books and also am re-reading James Patterson as his movies are being featured right now. Good reading! And thanks for the tip on the historical mysteries, although I think I would find it hard to suspend disbelief picturing Elizabeth I as a kind of Nancy Drew (???)

There is another Elizabeth I series and this one may be more believable because she IS the Queen - she has called on the services of one of her ladies to be a spy. Great fun, but I like the other series better, the young Elizabeth has more to feel her way while getting out of the jeopardy she finds herself in.

Just finished reading "The Next Accident" by Lisa Gardner. She can really do a plot! The characters are complex and interesting. I would definitely recommend it.

In real history evidently Liz I was a Nancy Drew - lots of spys - to do with the change in the religion and of course those who would have preferred to see her half sister Mary back on the Throne...! The PBS series on Shakespeare included the spying and how her spys were responsible for the death of his uncle and cousins.

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By the time Elizabeth I came to power, she had been living in terror for a long long time. I would have had spies as well. A much uncomfortable era in England. She restored peace and grace to the kingdom at the cost of any sort of private life. But then considering her father, she probably had a horror or marriage. No mysteries just now.. Reading Islands by Anne River Siddon.. Neat book

Found a new Laurie R King, a sort-of sequel to Folly. SUPER!

A sequel to Folly.. Must go to the bookstore. I loved Folly. Started on the latest Minette Walters in paperback..Just beginning .. A truly odd beginning. A book within a book.. I do love her, so will persevere.

Stephanie, I love Walters too, but the one about the British housing development was pretty grim. I'll look for the new one. The Laurie R. King is Keeping Watch. BTW, found a new saeries about a female Episcopalian priest. Author is Cristina Sumners and the first one is Crooked Heart. Quite a nice twisty plot.

I just got my new Scottiline in the mail -- I bought it used a Amazon for 84 cents plus postage. I usually don't buy hardbacks: they take up too much room on my crowded bookshelves. But who could resist that. The paperback must be about to come out. Sometimes when that happens you can get the hardback for almost nothing.

Yes, if I can be patient enough that is what I have noticed as well - now for the mysteries, paper backs are fine but, most books I prefer the hardback - they take longer to read and I just feel better with the stiff hardback to handle - the kind of mysteries I like I can read in one or two evenings - and so a paperback is just fine - so many of the used books I have purchased from Amazon are really in great condition - I've been impressed.

Based on the recommendation of someone here, I am reading "Them Bones" by Carolyn Haines. The setting is Old Mississippi and the author evokes the setting well, particularly the social setting with the rich Daddy's Girls. It begins "Women in my family have a penchant for madness and mysterious 'womb' disorders."

The author is so witty and I laugh at loud here by myself. I look forward to other books by the author.

I read Dem Bones and it was really funny as I recall. The Walter is really good. Twisting and turning in the wind as she likes to do. I have no idea who did what or to who, but it is absorbing.

Finished "Disordered Minds" by Minette Walters. As always she totally twists and turns.. Just when you think you can figure out a character, she comes back with a slightly different look or describes a conversation that happened from another point of view. She is absolutely extraordinary in how she manages to change your mind and leave you wondoring if you really know the whole story even at the end..

Just finished "Bloodroot". It's a China Bayles mystery by Susan Wittig Albert. It is different than the usual China Bayles as she goes back to Mississippi to help her mother deal with her elderly aunt on the family plantation. So interesting. Of course, I like all the China Bayles mysteries and some of their unusual characters.

I like the China Bayles mysteries too. I just finished The Christmas Cookie Murder by Leslie Meier. I really enjoyed it. A young girl is murdered during the Xmas season. I like the way the author writes. I am looking forward to reading her other books. Can't believe I'm still reading Christmas themed books well after Christmas is gone.

Our Barnes & Noble had the first China Bayles on sale for $1.99 in a special promotional rack. Maybe a way to stir interest in those who don't know the series, I'd guess. Yes, I bought it, too. I've read a couple of them, so reading the first may put some things into "perspective" for me.

jane

I like China Bayles and had the opportunity to visit that area of Texas several years ago. She describes it quite accurately.. Pretty in a Texas sort of way..

I just finished Bicycle built for murder, Death is in the air, For whom death tolls by Kate Kingsbury. Very good!

Oh happy day.. Went into the store and there is the newest bookman by Dunning in paperback. Hurray. I do love the Bookman

Stephanie: A new Bookman! Hooray! Thanks for the info.

A new author for me Reginald Hill, I'm reading Ruling Passion (1973). Its an English inspector series. I'm looking forward to reading all his books somewhat in order. Our library has lots of old books, not many new. Barb

I just read The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency by Alexander McCall Smith. I enjoyed it, but wanted to see what others posting here said about it. I remember seeing the title earlier, but when I do a search on the title and author, do not come up with anything.

Does anyone remember mentioning this book or author recently? When I saw it at the library, the name rang a bell and that's why I checked it out. Sue

Sue: There was a Books folder discussion of that book back in Aug. of 04. The archived discussion is here: pedln, "No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency, The ~ Alexander McCall Smith ~ 8/04" #1, 25 Jun 2004 10:53 am

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Thanks, Jane. I'll check it out. Sue

The leader of the Oklahoma discussion went to a authors reception in her hometown where this author was the guest speaker. She is an Oklahoma author; her third book was just published.

I just finished her first book "Perhaps She'll Die, A Chantalene Mystery". It was very good and I am now reading her second book, "Song of the Bones, A Chantalene Mystery. Its also very good and I can't wait until our library gets her third book, "The Butterfly House".

redbud, what or who is a Chantalene? That's a new term for me.

BTW, Jane, I went to the Archived Discussion of The No. l Ladies' Detective Agency and read the 209 posts. Thank you for giving me the link. I thought someone here had mentioned it recently. That's why I picked it up when I saw it at the library. Sue

I love Reginald Hill. Do read them in order.

I am reading "And Justice There Is None" by Deborah Crombie. The author was recommended by someone here and I got it used for $1.99 through Barnes and Noble books. It is quite good with Sgt Gemma James of New Scotland Yard and Dective Superintendent Duncan Kincaid. I am about one-half through it and find it gripping. So thanks to whoever recommended her. I look forward to reading more books by Crombie.

Sue, Chantalene is the main character or heroine of the mystery series. Her third book, The Butterfly House is a departure from her mystery series into woman's fiction.

Sue I am not sure if it is still there, but it was being offered at the Book Exchange.

Gemma James and Duncan Kincaid ring a bell. I'll have to check and see which ones I've read.

Thanks, Connie, for the information about Chantalene.

GinnyAnn, thanks to you, too, but I've just finished reading the library's copy. I will look for more books in this series by Alexander McCall Smith when I return the ones I have. I'm still reading the Patrick O'Brien British Naval History novels, only 3 more to go! Sue

I really like Deborah Crombie's series with Duncan Kincaid and Gemma James, even if I do sometimes get them confused with Elizabeth George's series with Thomas Lynley and Barbara Havers! I have read all of both series except for the newest Crombie that I haven't found on the new book shelf as yet. I recommend reading them in order as the private lives in both develop throughout each series.

I have been working my way through Susan Dunlap's series with Jill Smith in no special order, just what happens to be on the library shelf the day I am there, and it seems to make no difference. Partly that is because I enjoy the descriptions of Berkeley, they bring back my university days as a 'returning' student. They are short quick reads. I don't know if I would call them cozies but they are light.

I liked John Dunning's latest Bookman, "The Bookman's Promise". It has been four years since I read "Deadline" but the story seemed to be more complex and just as well written. I must admit I don't like the Cliff Janeway character quite as well as I do Bernie Rhondenbarr in the Burglar series by Lawrence Block. Seems a little strange to prefer a burglar to an ex-cop, but that is one of my little quirks. Both run bookstores.

I was delighted to find "A Grave Denied", a new Kate Shugak by Dana Stabenow, on the new book shelf. It was just as wonderful as the first 11 were. Definitely should be read in order. The descriptions of the small Alaskan town and the people, their way of life that is so different from mine, are intriguing.

A Grave Denied is a 2003 book, according to our library. There's a newer one (2004) - The Taint of Blood. We do like Dana Stabenow, too.

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SUE: another Patrick O'Brien nut!! I just finished the last one, and am feeling deprived. I'll have to go back and reread the first one. Did you see the movie, and what did you think?

I like Jill Smith. But I always feel slightly nauseous reading the way she eats. I'm relieved when she goes to the bagel shop: it's the nearest she gets to healthy food. But then my niece went to work in the same bagel shop in Berkeley, and she says their food is not that healthy. Sigh.

I see I'm way behind on Stabanow. Have to get going. And have to try the Bookman series.

A new Stabenow>> Will have to find it, although I wait until paperback for most stuff. Jill Smith. I have listened to several on audio tapes. This author has several series.. Most of them light, but good.

Some new books, authors to look for. Hooray! Just picked up a new Nevada Barr, The High Country (?) I've read all the Patrick Obrien books (sigh). The movie was so-so. My favorite character is Maturin and the movie was, of course, mostly Jack Aubrey. Speaking of movies, just saw Gros Pointe Blamk, John Cusack, Minnie Driver and Dan Ackroyd - it is black humor, fun but not funny.

JoanK and Jackie, I've loved the O'Brian books. I just read Master and Commander as it's been out ever since I started checking them out of the library. I didn't read them all in order, but tried to get them as near to that as possible. I loved the movie, went with my brother-in-law as my sister was not interested. I cried during lots of it. After reading the books, I admire Maturin and would have been disappointed if I'd known what a major part he plays in the series when I saw the movie. My late husband was a U.S. Naval Officer, 20 years, and I wish he had known about these books. He'd have loved them. I think Russell Crowe was a dead ringer for Aubrey. Everytime Stephen tells Jack he's eating too much, I think about how Crowe looked with the pony tail and hefty build. Sue

Dana Stabenow has a website and a group of "Danamaniacs". I think you get to it through MSN's groups. They discuss her books, and a host of other stuff. She does a live chat every now and then, too which is fun.

I have been reading all day on the latest "Repairman Jack" novel. Once you start one, plan on vegetating for the entire day (or night). Author is F. Paul Wilson. I know some of you here already read him. Gotta get back to the book!! LOL.

I gotta get Repairman Jack. What does he repair?

He is a "fixer" - people in some kind of criminal trouble contact him for help. The books also have a major/minor (depending on story)element of sci-fi or supernatural stuff going on. You don't have to begin at the first book in the series, but it might give a better perspective if you do. Wilson has written "many" books, so the list is very long, there are 8 in the Repairman Jack series, and 6 or 7 in the "Adversary Cycle" (heavier on supernatural stuff). I discovered him a couple years ago, and have read all the "Jack" books up to current. The one I have is "Crisscross". I hope you will enjoy.

While at the library yesterday, I picked up a sheet they had made up entitled "Cozy Mysteries". It also listed about 50 authors who write these type of mysteries. It looked interesting so I picked up Sharyn McCrumb's "The PMS Outlaws". I've only read a little bit, but so far it's pretty good.

"What is a "Cozy"? Typically, these books offer eccentric, memorable characters and amusing dialogue. The sleuth demonstrates mental agility and knowledge of human nature in solving the crime. For the squeamish, death and violence are not graphically described. The tone is usually upbeat, and often humorous. If you enjoy a good puzzle, but can do without the detailed forensic descriptions, Cozies are for you! Take a stack; they are usually quick reads!"

If anyone is interested in the list of authors, let me know.

Mary in TX

Yes, so many British mystery writers are "Cozy Mystery" writers with the addition of the countryside described often being a character in the story. One of my Favorite's is Beaton's Agatha Raison series in which I think she is up to book #18 - a middle age retired Marketing Exec. from London living in the Cotswolds with a dishy neighbor she tries to snag - the typical vicar's wife, pub and policeman friend - she also does a "Hamish Macbeth" series, a local constable in Scotland.

And than there is the Maddy Hunter series - I've "Alpine for You : A Passport to Peril Mystery" on order now...

I've read a few American cozies but the US authors do not have the "cozy" feel when they describe the rooms, countryside etc. and seldom use a house or countryside as another character in the way the Brits can pull it off.

Here are two lists from Amazon that when you scroll the covers of the books are shown. I buy often from the look of a cover how about you...?

Cozy Mysteries from Amazon

this list has a few that are on the first list but many others 2nd list of Cozy Mysteries

I was so impressed with David Liss when I read "A Conspiracy of Paper : A Novel" that I did not think of this book as a mystery and yet the protagonist tries to solve a murder, his father's murder -

What to me was fascinating was the time and place - London during the 18th century and the whole explanation of the beginning of banks and the stock market - I purchased but still on my pile "The Coffee Trader : A Novel" about trade in the Netherlands during this same time period - again it is in the mystery section of Borders and now another that has the same characters as "A Conspiracy..." that I just picked up last night, "A Spectacle of Corruption : A Novel" - supposed to center in the politics of the day -

Most impressed with this writer - I'll fill you in after I finally get to these other two books by David Liss. And further amazing is David Liss is from San Antonio...

Amazing!! I didn't know a single author on that cozy list.

hmmm since we cannot go back and fix a post I just tried my first link from above and it came to a strange page - so here is that link again to the list of Cosy Mysteries on Amazon

And here is the link to the David Liss book A Conspiracy of Paper: A Novel No fluff like cozy mysteries but not so deep or sophisticated that it is above a good read - reminds me of the kind of read that Sherlock Holmes provided - but the background is facinating - I learned more about the beginnings of banks and the stock market than reading any web page on the subject. A little romance, the upper class and the seamy side of London are all represented.

This must be.. out in paperback month. Scored a bunch of new stuff, although I am knee deep in not quite reads.. I figure I will live forever since I can never catch up with my book pile. Also finally found Kirk Mitchell's "Cry Dance". I think this is the first Anna Turnipseed and Emmett Parker. Sure reads like the first anyway.. I had read the later, but never this one.. Indians, Desert, Gambling and explanations on tribes.. A perfect book for me.

BARBARA: the list of cozies got me with the figure skating mystery, "Murder on Ice" by Alina Adams. I love figure skating, and one of the things I like about mysteries is they take you inside so many different places you wouldn't otherwise get to see. I ordered it used for $1.58. I'll let you know if it's good.

Here are a few more cozy authors that aren't on Amazon's list:

Susan Wittig Albert, Conrad Allen, Nancy Atherton, Marion Babson, Mignon Ballard, Jo Bannister, M.C, Beaton, Nancy Bell, aurien Berenson, J.S. Bothwick, Rhys Bowen, Lilian Jackson Braun, Simon Brett.

Mary in TX

Had not heard of Mignon Ballard - what a lovely name - so I looked up her site and there is a chapter of one of her books that can be read on-line - http://www.mignonballard.com/chapter.html

And another author that I had not heard of with again what I think is a lovely name is Laurien Berenson - here is here web page http://www.laurienberenson.com/

Ah yes, fiesty Rhys Bownan with the Molly Murphy series - one of those writers from across the pond who seem tho get it right http://jqh.home.netcom.com/

Ah and my favorite M.C. Beaton who is really Marion Chesney - she does Agatha Raison and Hamish McBeth, which is not a TV series in Britain - here is a link to one of her pages http://www.malicebooks.com/web_pages/britauth/beaton.html

OH look when you hit the link under the bouquet this list of Brit authors, looks like they are all cozy mystery writers... http://www.malicebooks.com/web_pages/british.htm

My word what a great site that I happened onto - here is another page that has links with "cosy" icons to list after list of Brit mystery writers orgainzed and grouped in similar genras http://www.malicebooks.com/web_pages/books.htm

Barbara, I read the chapter of Mignon's book and it really tweaked my interest. I am going to look for the book.

I had never heard of Cozy Mysteries until I found that page at the library. I certainly am going to start reading them.

Here are a few more from the list:

Dorothy Cannell, Jill Church, Susan Conant, Alisa Craig, Phillip R. Craig, Amanda Cross, Mary Daheim, Jeanne Dams, and of course Agatha Christie.

The malicebooks website is fantastic. I bookmarked it and will pursue it further.

Mary in TX

Now I have read some Amanda Cross - http://www.bastulli.com/Cross/Cross.htm

As to Agatha Christi, I still prefer Margerat Rutherford as Miss Marple - those old movies have the feel of a cozy mystery to me as well as they were a bit more nailbiting edgy as compared to some of the other productions - although I did like Joan Hickson who dressed in her tweeds with the bucolic village of St. Mary Mead as her work place. - and Christi's Hercule Poirot Mysteries are a delight as well.

I think "Jill Church" should be "Jill Churchill". An American homemaker sleuth who solves murder while running the car pools. One of my favorites, especially her early ones ("Grime and Punishment").

Berenson, another American, I also like. Her detective is a special ed teacher who gets dragged into the world of dog shows by an aggressive aunt. If you know very little about this world, she is a better way to learn than the other "dog show" sleuth, Susan Conant, who tends to assume you know what she is talking about.

Amanda Cross's (Carolyn Heilbrun - please correct my spelling ?) was a literature professor (before her suicide) . Her early mysteries were quite good with a literary motif, her later ones less so. Her book on aging was read in Seniornet.

Mary Daheim has two series about the Seattle area. Rather fluffy, but good.

Albert (Texas and herbs) Bothwick (bird watching) and Braun (cats, cats, cats) I'm also familiar with.I'm not familiar with the other writers -- so many books, so little time.

All of these are American. I disagree that cozies are British. The American ones don't have the feel of an English village, but the feel of the places where the authors actually live. Nothing wrong with that.

Here is an extensive list of cozy authors<

http://www.madisonpubliclibrary.org/booklists/cozies.html

*BASED ON A READING LIST COMPILED BY MADISON PUBLIC LIBRARY

AUTHOR SLEUTH SETTING

Albert, Susan Wittig China Bales, Herb Shop Owner Texas

Allen, Conrad George Porter Dillman, Ship Detective Luxury Liners

Atherton, Nancy Aunt Dimity, Ghost England

Beaton, M.C. Agatha Raisin, Retiree England

Beaton, M.C. Hamish Macbeth, Constable Scotland

Bishop, Claudia Sarah And Meg Quilliam, B&B Owners New York

Braun, Lilian Jackson Jim Qwilleran & Cats, Reporter Midwest

Brett, Simon Melita Pargeter, Widower England

Brightwell, Emily Inspector Witherspoon And Mrs. Jeffries, Housekeeper England

Cannell, Dorothy Ellie & Ben Haskell, Interior Decorators England

Chesterton, G.K. Father Brown England

Christie, Agatha Hercule Poirot, Detective England

Christie, Agatha Miss Marple, Spinster England

Conant, Susan Holly Winter, Dog Trainer Massachusetts

Craig, Philip R Jeff Jackson, Private Investigator Massachusetts

Cross, Amanda Kate Fansler, English Professor New York City

Davidson, Diane Mott Goldy Bear, Caterer Colorado

Dunn, Carola Daisy Dalrymple, Aristocrat England

Fowler, Earlene Bennie Harper, Quiltmaker California

Frazier, Margaret Sr. Frevisse, Nun England

Gilman, Dorothy Mrs. Pollifax, Cia Operative & Senior Connecticut

Grimes, Martha Richard Jury, Investigator England

Henry, Sue Alex Jensen, Sled Dog Musher Alaska

Hess, Joan Arly Hanks, Police Chief Arkansas

Holt, Hazel Sheila Malory, Writer England

Langton, Jane Homer Kelly, Professor Massachusetts

Meier, Leslie Lucy Stone, Homemaker Maine

Paige, Robin Kathryn Ardleigh, Writer England

Peters, Elizabeth Amelia Peabody, Archaeologist England

Peters, Ellis Brother Cadfael, Medieval Monk England

Rich, Virginia Eugenia Potter, Widow & Chef Maine & Arizona

Roosevelt, Elliot Eleanor Roosevelt, First Lady Washington

Sayers, Dorothy L. Lord Peter Wimsey, Criminologist England

Sherwood, John Celia Grant, Widow & Horticulturalist England

Sprinkle, Patricia Sheila Travis, Pr Executive Atlanta

what a great list - I had no idea that Mrs. Roosevelt wrote fiction and mysteries at that - need to look up and find what she wrote - another author on the list that I would have thought as a historical mystery writer but evidently is included with the cosies is Sr. Margaret Frazier - she has a whole series and finally ordered my first, "The Novice's Tale" I didn't see on the list Peter Tremayne who also does medieval mysteries.

Well I'll be - Eleanor Roosevelt has a slew of titles BUT they were written by Elliott - was that a pseudonym I wonder - here are some of the Titles

Murder at Hobcaw Barony (An Eleanor Roosevelt Mystery) by Elliott Roosevelt
Hyde Park Murder/09486 by Elliot Roosevelt
Murder in the East Room: An Eleanor Roosevelt Mysstery by Elliott Roosevelt
Murder at Midnight: An Eleanor Roosevelt Mystery by Elliott Roosevelt
Murder in the Oval Office by Elliott Roosevelt
Murder in the Map Room (An Eleanor Roosevelt Mystery) Murder and the First Lady (An Eleanor Roosevelt Mystery) by Elliott Roosevelt
Murder in Georgetown by Elliott Roosevelt

Aha - looked it up and Elliott, her son was the author of the mysteries but Eleanor did write using a pseudynom - seems she was an accomplished archer, and one of the first modern women to participate in the sport of bowhunting.

Her exploits as a 20th Century Diana are documented in the writings of her male bowhunting contemporaries Fred Bear, Howard Hill and Saxton Pope. A close personal friendship with J.E. Davis {editor of Ye Sylvan Archer, a popular bowhunting magazine of the time} led to an invitation to author several articles for that publication. Mrs. Roosevelt's tales of her hunting excursions were well received, though they did not serve to further the cause of women's liberation: in keeping with the chauvinistic standards of the time, Roosevelt's stories were published under the masculine pseudonym "Chuck Painton" to avoid offending the magazine's overwhelmingly male readership.

After her death, her son Elliot Roosevelt wrote a series of best-selling fictional murder mysteries wherein she acted as a detective, helping the police solve the crime, while she was First Lady. They feature actual places and celebrities of the time.

I have read the Eliot Roosevelt mysteries. They are not terribly well written, but they are interesting, especially for the picture they paint of Eleanor. I think they were somewhat controversial among the family -- one has Franklin lying in bed with his secretary while Eleanor comes in to discuss the daily schedule with them.

The list from the Madison Library is pretty much the same one I picked up at our Arlington Library. I can see I have alot of good reading ahead.

Mary in TX

I read some of the Eliot Roosevelt mysteries about his Mom.. I agree, not well written, but interesting as a reflection on his Mom and Dad..Margaret Truman is by far the best writer of the White House authors about mysteries.

How did I get unsubscribed to the Mystery Corner? Or is this a different site from the 'mystery' discussion Bill was running? I've missed a lot of posts, I can see.

I just started reading Patricia Cornwells "Isle of Dogs". A very different style for her. I had quit reading her Scarpetta series, as I didn't like where she was going with those. This one is, I believe, her first 'dark humor' type of mystery.

Babi

I am reading Ridley Pearson's "Chain of Evidence". So far (half way), I don't find it as exciting as his "Angel Maker" but I remember that book was so exciting during the last half that I could hardly lay it down. He is an expert on forensic police procedure and this story revolves around forensic evidence whereas "Angel Maker" was quite different about the market for human organs.

Maybe Pearson figured since the 'CSI' series on TV has found such popularity with their forensic emphasis, that he would go with the trend. I suspect, tho', that reading about the details of lab work would be far less interesting than watching it.

Babi

I hated Isle of Dogs.. This woman does not know how to do humor.. Whew.. That was a waste of reading.. I am reading an old Agatha Raisin.. I can only take her in very very small doses..

hehehe I love ol Agatha - usually can go through one of her yarns in an evening - but to me she is a hoot...

There are three new ones that I am waiting for them to be released in paperback - this bit of fluff is not worth the hardcover price to me but the small paperbacks at about 5 dollars is the right price

I am waiting for

The Deadly Dance
Agatha Raisin and the Haunted House
The Perfect Paragon

I must say I did like her earlier escapades better than these later ones with the new guy next door.

An author I eagerly search for is Charlaine Harris. She writes cosies with Aurora Teagarden as her series character. She writes hilarious vampites. And her latest in PB is Shalespeare's Counselor, very noir, about Lily Bard who cleans houses in Shakespeare, Arkansas.

I too love Charlaine. As you say she does three series and all are good in quite different ways. Sookie and her reluctant life with vampires is truly neat. Bubba breaks me up. The only stupid vampire I have heard of.

Bubba, ah, yes, Bubba...Words fail me.

I am reading a Tony Hillerman that is not set in the Four Corners region. This one is about a man who tries to locate and bring home from VietNam his dead brothers baby daughter. This takes place when Saigon is being evacuated and refugees are pouring south. I am finding it reminiscent of some of Nevil Shute's stories. It's a good book.

Babi

Uh, I think I neglected to mention the title. :>( It's "Finding Moon"

B

I've read all of Tony Hillerman's books and enjoy them all. Have you read his latest one "The Sinister Pig". It was published in 2003. It was good, but it focused more on Jim Chee, rather than Joe Leaphorn. I like Joe!

Mary in TX

redbud, there's a newer Tony Hillerman - I just picked it up from the library today. It's called Skeleton Man. I don't know that it's all about Joe, because I've just read the first page or two. But, it does start out with him.

Thanks, Mary Z, I'll have to check out the library tomorrow.

Mary in TX

Wow! Two of my favorites mentioned here: Tony Hillerman and Nevil Shute. This is a nice place to hang out.

Welcome, Jackie. Nothing but the best around here!

Barbara mentions Agatha Raisin and the MC Beaton series with Hamish MacBeth and I'm just the opposite: I want the hardback. I just found her other new one, they come out in pairs, you know, and I had just reported on her latest Agatha Raisin Deadly Dance which I put up on the Exchange back in December.

Yesterday I bought her latest Hamish MacBeth, it's called Death of a Bore, and it's just out this month. It looks super. I know it's silly, but finding one of her books, to me, is like a gift or something.

She's Scottish by birth, and her real name is Marion Chesney, and I guess that's why my friends in England think the Macbeth character is more realistic than the Raisin one, but I love the Agatha Raisin and still think that Quiche of Death (her first one) is priceless. It's about like Robert Bernard's Fete Fatale.

They are fun reading at bedtime, or so I think.

Definitely welcome anywhere, Jackie!!! Welcome home!

Wow, Ginny! A new Hamish! Thanks for letting us know. I'll be watching for it.

I just read my first Agatha Raisin, A.R. and the Case of the Curious Curate and found it entertaining bedtime reading, not too difficult to read when not feeling well. I'll look for more. Sue

Just finished the new Robin Paige in PB, Death at Hyde Park. This is a view of the Coronation of Edward VII written by Susan Wittig Albert and her husband Bruce Alexander. She writes the China Bayles mysteries and he writes historical mysteries about the early Bow Street Runners. I avidly read all three series.

I didn't realize Bruce Alexander was Albert's husband. I avidly read all three series too. Have to look for "Death at Hyde Park".

Playing catchup here. You all have a lot of good books to recommend.

Hats. that Cookie cutter murder sounds interesting. I'm not familiar with Leslie Meier.

Oh Oh Oh Stephanie. Here I am getting caught up on back posts and I've since seen you at the beach. Wasn't that great fun. I finished the Islands that you gave me. I liked, and wished I finished it before going to the beach. But there were times I thought the characters just got a bit full of themselves with how perfect Charleston was. But,you've made my day -- the new Dunning is out in paperback? Bookman's Promise? Oh happy day, I really like Dunning's Bookman books.

Sue, it was good to see you at the beach too. Guess we never got around to talking about Alexander McCall Smith. When you look him up you need to look under McCall Smith (like Lloyd Webber). I couldn't find him for the longest time. I do enjoy his Precious Ramotswe books. Haven't read any in his new Scots woman series yet.

I missed the February meeting of our local mystery group because I was at the beach. They were discussing Carol McConnell's Judas Child. Will have to catch up on that one. But I'm engrossed in the March selection -- Death in a Strange Country by Donna Leon. Wonderful, fascinating. Leon is an American living in Venice, and her sleuth is a Veinese policeman. As someone on another site mentioned, you do learn a lot about the city. Apparently this is a series. Have any of you read anything of hers?

Pedln, I've read each one avidly. The city is fascinating, and she brings us to new discoveries in each book. One dealt with the Murano glass makers. Her supportng cast of characters is wonderfully varied. Enjoy!

I've read one of her books and enjoyed it, but had trouble finding the others in our library. Which one dealt with the glass makers? I've been fascinated with them ever since I saw a PBS special on them.

I thought I had read all of Donna Leon's books and really enjoyed every one of them. Didn't know she had a new one out. I'll look for it.

Picked kup the hew Ann Purser, Wednesday (something). She's really got me guessing this time.

There is a new Carol o Connel out in paperback. I do love her.

I just read a Julia Spencer-Fleming mystery. The library just classifies it under Fiction. Really good, clean, can't put down book. I looked for more, but the branch I went to didn't have anymore in at that time.

Tomereader, I love her books. There are more, maybe your library can borrow from another library. They do that here in the Bay Area. Good luck!

Jackie, didn't know that you were another Bay Area person. The Bay Area Seniornetters are planning a lunch in Concord on March 23. We would enjoy it if you and any others could join us. Just email me and I will give you the details.

Just discovered another new mystery writer: Michael Kortya. His debut book "Tonight I said Goodbye". It won St. Martin's Press 2003 Best First PI Novel Award. It's really good, although I'm only about halfway through it.

Note on Scotteline (sp).

I really enjoy her legal thrillers. But I Lent one to my niece, who is a newby lawyer, like S's detectives. She says they don't seem real to her because the courtroom scenes are too interesting. Most courtroom work is really boring.

This is like these books where the detective is tootling around New York or San Francisco and always finds a parking place. I really don't want to read pages of them circling the block, but it annoys me anyhow.

Good point, Joan. I wonder if it would be realistic to have the big city PI's taking a bus or, if in a hurry, a taxi. Assuming of course they can find a taxi. Probably not. I guess the best solution would simply be to write: "After circling the block only five times, I found a spot I could squeeze my (small car) into."

<g>Babi

JoanK and Babi, you two are a hoot! Never have been to New York, but San Francisco, to the visitor, is so confusing with its hills, one-way streets, etc. Last time I was there, right in the middle of Maltese Falcon territory, my hotel was on the corner of two one-way streets; the down hil street ended at the sross street, there was a tunnel under the hil, I can't tell you how many times we circled those blocks just to get in front of the hotel! To quote Ginny, Hahaha.

Actually Robert Parker does occasionally mention how much trouble parking is in both Boston and Cambridge.. I am always so lost in San Francisco.. I love to visit, but oh me, I never know where I am.

I never know where I am in San Francisco, and I live here...well, the Bay Area, anyway. I never go into SF unless I have to because of traffic and parking. Then, I take a carefully plotted map to know where I am going. Mapquest helps, but sometimes they don't take you on the shortest route. Not too long ago, I went to the UC School of Dentistry to become a guinea pig for the dental students, who were wonderful. But, with Bay Bridge tolls and parking costs, it was an expensive trip.

Those of you who like humor in your mysteries should read Donna Andrews. Her latest, We'll Always Have Parrots, is about one of those conventions, called "Cons", for fans of popular TV shows (think Startrek and Trekkies). I grab her books as soon as they come out in PB, and I save them to reread. Great fun!

Thanks for the info about Donna Andrews. I am getting close to where I will make another order to Barnes & Noble used books and it seems like she would be another good one to order. My list is long now from authors I have picked up on here.

Lawrence Block book is out. All The Flowers Are Dying is the 16th Matthew Scudder novel. Block is one of my all time favorite mystery author.

I love Donna Andrews; and have been waiting for "Parrots" in paperback. Anyone not familiar with her, The first in the Meg Lanslow series is "Murder with Peacocks".

Apparently, she has other series too, but I haven't tried them yet. Has anyone?

Donna Andrews.. Wrote that down. Of course I need a new author like I need another head,, but I just keep plowing on. She does sound neat.

Donna Andrews has another series about a sleuth who is a computer...an artificial intelligence personality. The first one in the series is called YOU GOT MURDER. She won an Agatha for that one.

Finished Jonathan Kellerman's Therapy It was good I love the Milo guy but it was very long and too many Characters for me to keep track of.

Mary1607: Thank you. I've read those. Another senior moment...

A sleuth who is a computer?!! All by itself?!!! Now that sounds intriguing. ..Babi

Babi, she carries off the premise very well for me. My daughter gave up on this series, but then she doesn't read Charlaine Harris' vampire series, either (sniff).

Not read Charlaine. I love all three of her series.. But the vampire one is particularly fun.. I do love Bubba.

I love that series! Well, actually I love anything with a vampire in it. Have you all read Laurell K. Hamilton's vampire series? I think her books are the best. She has a new series out now about witche (still in on my table along a million other books).

I like Laurell's vampire very much. The faery books not quite so much..Still Anita is getting further and further from human with each book.

Lots of "my" authors appearing on the Coming Soon list from B&N. Just finished the new Peter Robinson. I think I missed the one before this. What are you reading today?

Every Friday night is mystery night on one of our local PBS stations. They have been doing it for 20 years. Last evening was pledge break, and the members of the mystery writers of Northern California answered the phone. I had not heard of some of them and so look forward to reading some of their books. I have enjoyed some by the physicist, Camille Minichino, which are set in Berkeley and New England.

Still working on the latest Bookman series. Not sure just how I feel about it.. Moving slowly and violently.. Still Koko is interesting and he is doing a good job of describing Charleston, etc.

I just love Camille Minichino. Thanks for reminding me.

Stephanie Hochuli I also loved the Bookman stories. However, I couldn't get into the most recent one. It was a dissapointment.

I just finished the Richard Burton ( the explorer) bookman.. It just sort of dragged. I never got as interested as I did in his previous books. Hopefully the next one will be better.

Stephanie, are you referring to John Dunning's latest? Bookman's Promise, I believe it was called. I found it disappointing too.

I'm nearly finished reading a first novel, I think, by a new author and it's quite entertaining. There's a lot of humor, a fair plot, and some ghostly mysticism. The Cold Dish by Craig Johnson.

Jeryn,, Oh wow, another author to add to my growing I need to find them list.. Whew.

I'm reading Lake of Sorrows by Erin Hart. It's set in Ireland on a peat bog where 2 men have been found buried. One is at least 500 years dead, the other only 26, both appear to be ritual murders. Pretty good book. This is her second novel. Sue

I read Lake of Sorrows. Very good.

Have you read any Ann Waldron books about a silver-haired reporter from Tallahasee who comes periodically to Princeton for academic research? Her latest PB is called Unholy Death. This time, she is at Princeton Seminary, where Presbyterians become ministers. I always wondered what took three years of study; did you know that the seminary students must learn Hebrew? This is a fascinating look at a world I never dreamed of.

I will be most interested to read one of Waldron's books since I attended classes at Pacific School of Religion on the UC Berkeley campus which combined seminary students from 13 different churches from Jesuits to UU. I took courses in Old Testament and New Testament. It gave me a completely different view of the Bible, not as history but as the spiritual journey of one group of people.

I knew that Presbyterian seminary students are required to study Hebrew. All ministerial candidates must have a Seminary degree, too. (Can you guess that I'm a Presbyterian?) Sue

I hate to be one who is continually adding to your lists of mystery writers, but I recently discovered a new one (to me, at least) Carol O'Connell. She has been writing these since 1995, and features a gritty, slightly crazy New York detective, Mallory. I picked up the latest one (2004) in the new fiction section at the Library, and upon finishing it, knew I had to locate all the others. The cast of characters is wonderful, you either love them or hate them, and the mysteries do have a lot of violence (to be expected from a detective- type story). The most current book is "Winter House" and I couldn't put it down till the last page. I may have posted in here or on one of the other book discussions. I recommend!!

Thanks about Carol O'Connell, although I surely didn't need another name on my growing list. I made a spreadsheet on Works and it works wonderfully well for this purpose. It sorts alphabetically or by any other field such as date of publication.

Thanks tomereader for the suggestion. If she is half as good as your Michael McGarrity suggestion, I'm in for a good read.

I'm on a waiting list at the library for "Winter House". I love being able to access our library on line and reserve books.

Though this isn't a mystery, I'm reading Marcia Preston's "Butterfly House". This is her first foray into regular fiction. Her Chantalene Morrell mysteries are excellent and this one is also.

By the way, are you in the Dallas area? I thought I saw your name in the Texas folder.

Mary in TX

Carol O connol.. I have read every single book. Most are about Mallory, but there is one that is not. They are all excellent. I have her new one sitting beside my chair. I have been working on very light stuff, but will do her when I want something a bit more complicated.

Redbud, I don't know about "as good as McGarrity" - - a totally different feel to the mysteries - - but when I find someone that I must quickly get ALL their books, I guess you could say so. Yes, I'm in Texas (Dallas as a matter of fact). I don't post often in the Texas discussion, but I read it regularly, and enjoy it. I keep wishing there was someone here locally, from one of the groups, I could meet for coffee or lunch.

I guess mysteries/detective stories are my weakness as far as reading goes, although I do love Action/Adventure (Clancy - Cussler, etc.)

Stephanie, which of O'connell's books do you think is the best one? I really loved the newest one (winter house).

Tomereader, I'm in Arlington. I always wished someone was closer to me also. E-mail me and maybe we can work something out to meet.

Mary

All of O'Connel's books are great. Mallory needs to be read in sequence or it would be a tad confusing.She is a really interesting character indeed, although I had hoped for a little softening with the man who adores her. No such luck, thus far. I have two of McGarrity's books and have not started them yet. Will get around to it.. I am always so far behind.

I have copies of these authors waiting for me at the library. I would have them in my hands, but, the library was closed today.

Donald Westlake
Tim McGuire

Loren D. Estleman

I haven't read anything by Tim McGuire. Can't remember how I learned about him. Has anyone read any of his mysteries? Both Westlake and Estleman are favorites of mine.

Those of you who read Sue Henry's Alaska stories look for her newest one. It is a spin off about a 63-year-old woman who tootles around in her motor home (She spends summers at her Alaska home) with her mini dachshund, Stretch. She is NOT looking for a man to solve her problems, she is capable and intelligent, content with her life.

I remember reading a story about an older woman traveling about in her motor home. Had a dog, too, but I can't remember the name of it or the author. I suppose there could be more than one story with the same premise. I enjoyed the book. What was the title of the one you read, JACKIE?

Babi

My daughter says it is Serpent's Trail. The protagonist is names Maxey and her dog is Stretch.

Yeah, I remember Maxey and Stretch. The title doesn't ring a bell, but then I've read a few thousand mysteries. ...Babi

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Maxie and Stretch appeared in Dead North when they met up with Jessie Arnold as she drove a motor home from Idaho to Alaska and got into trouble along the way. Now, Sue has given Maxie her own series. Where Jessie is a musher, Maxie is a motor homeist who is very independent and self-contained until she is called from her home in Homer, Alaska, to Grand Junction, Colorado, to the bedside of her best friend who is dying of heart "trouble".

Since we have a motorcoach and love to go atraveling..Will have to look that up. You are talking of Sue Henry?? I have read one or two of her early books, but have a couple of Alaskan authors I like more.

I thought Maxie and Stretch sounded familiar!! I remember thinking they were too good characters to waste on a "bit part" (I guess I have to say "cameo").

Stephanie, what other Alaskan authors do you read? While my favorite Alaskan author is Kate Shugak, I find Sue Henry's musher, Jesse, fascinating. I think her first one had Iditarod in the title. Jesse has a large kennel of sled dogs and she breeds them and trains them as well as racing them. As an animal lover, I really like to read about people and animals interacting in realistic ways, the mutual caring and affection.

Actually, the author is Dana Stabenow and her main character is Kate Shugak. I have all the Kate books. Read one, and had to get the others. Her characters are all great, you learn a lot about Alaska, and the books are fun! What more could we want? LOL There is a wonderful website for Dana, and an online group called Danamaniacs. Check it out.

Here are a couple of good mystery-search web sites.

http://www.stopyourekillingme.com/index.html

http://www.booksnbytes.com

Tomereader, Hahahaha, of course the author is Dana Stabenow. How funny! Kate, I guess, has become a real person to me, more real than her creator.

Hmm. I am off on a search. When we were in Alaska several years ago, I found a new to me mystery author in Ketchikan. A man.. I think last name was Strahle or something Really good writer. I bought his whole stable of books up there in a bookstore and loved them. Hard to find down here. Maybe I will go to Amazon and see if they can help me remember his name. I did like him so much.

Stephanie, it's John Straley - he does write a good yarn.

http://www.johnstraley.com/

Jackie, of course. I understand completely. Kate Shugak is such a fully-fleshed out character, she does seem REAL. It always makes me mad when I finish a book, because I can't wait to see what Kate gets into next. I think Dana's website says it will be 2006 before her next book is out.

I belong to one of those online book reading clubs where they email you five minutes of reading each day (Monday thru Friday) of a mystery book. I only get the mysteries but there are other genre. You can do this through a local library if they subscribe to this service. All this to say that Susan Wittig Albert has a new China Bayles book out called "A Dilly of a Death". From what I have read it really sounds interesting. Of course, I love all the China Bayles books.

What is the service called?

After being in Savannah I read Midnight In The Garden Of Good and Evil and just loved it. After being on the tour it was so much fun to read the book. I don't know if the tour would have been better if I had read the book first or not, but which ever it was fun. Savannah is really on my list of things to do again.

You can find it by going to www.dearreader.com Our local library has it in seven categories but not the mystery genre. So I had to pick a different library in a nearby county.

MaryZ, thanks for your links... I especially like Stop You're Killing Me! Thought it looked familiar... yep, it's in the heading above... last entry! I always head there first when researching a mystery author.

I'm in heaven this week... found an old Perri O'Shaughnessy mystery [Nina Reilly, Lake Tahoe attorney] that I'd never read. It's called Invasion of Privacy. I'm hooked on attorney thrillers. Anyone know of any new ones?

I'm assuming that Kate Wilhelm is already on your list?

Mary Z.. Thanks so much. That is correct. I loved his stuff.. Especially after being in Ketchikan, he felt so real. Midnight is a wonderful book. We had read the book when we first took the tour and then of course, we managed by sheer accident to visit Savannah when they were making the movie. I love Savannah and we try to revisit every three years or so.. Just a really nice place to be.. Best in spring and fall. Walking the squares is so much fun.

Stephanie wouldn't it be fun to do a B&B in Savannah and make it around the book? We could even take a side trip to Beaufort and see Miss Minierva and book it around the once a month that Chablis sings at the night club. I bet Alf could find some good B&B

We did an Elderhostel in Savannah a couple years ago. It was on Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil and Johnny Mercer.

It was an interesting week. One presenter knew many of the people in the book and had lots of stories to tell.

jane

I would love to visit Savannah for a B and B and Midnight.. Perhaps some people to present different views on the book. It seems as if a large amount of Savannah has decided ideas on the book. Besides,, I love cities and walking.. No more no car ever ,, didnt like being trapped too far out for me.. Besides, no more sofa beds ever. Just too old for that sort of stuff.

Michael Connelly's The Narrows is a surprising blend of three of his story lines. Harry Bosch and Terry McCaleb and The Poet! Now I have to re-read the earlier books: Blood Work, The Poet, et al. Such a bother...

I have The Narrows in my book bag. It sounds wonderful, but then I have already read allof the previoius books. I like Michaeal Connoly very much indeed.

Something came up on another site that reminded me of the mystery series with the Queen of England as the detective. The author is C.C. Benison and the first is "Death at Buckingham Palace". Great fun.

Diane Mott Davidson, an author I gave up on earlier, has another book out..Double Shot. Since it's a library book, I picked it up but haven't started it yet. I'll let you know if she's found some new energy or is still redoing "the JRK and spoiled Arch."

jane

The new Elizabeth George with Lynley and Havers was released yesterday. I'm about half way through. Good conflict between characters as usual. CubFan

Went to the library today and got 5 mysteries -- a Chassie West, a Bruce Alexander, a Donna Leon, and I forget the other two. If you don't see me for awhile you know where I am.

My current book is Lawrence Block's All the Flowers are Dying It is an excellent read.

Waiting in my library bag are 3 by Loren D. Estleman. His stories follow Amos Walker and are set in Detroit. Amos lives in Hamtramck. "Until recent years, Hamtramck was a Polish community with lots of bars, excellent kielbasa and pierogies, and quick-tempered politics." This quote came from http://www.civic-strategies.com/resources/issues/suburbs.htm Amos is a Viet Nam vet.

Also in the bag is The Hot Rock by Donald E. Westlake. It is the first Dortmunder Novel. It was made into a movies staring Robert Redford. Not sure if I saw the movie. lol

Today, I finished an early Jonathan Kellerman book, "Silent Partner". He is a very good writer and often has a surprise ending and certainly this book does. He writes about the psychologist, Alex Delaware. Some of his pyschological theories are pretty far out, but nonetheless most interesting. This time, he writes about a young girl, left to be brought up by a retarded couple in a tiny desert community. The copyright date is 1989. The LA times review included "Kellerman's familiarity with Los Angeles rings the city to throbbing life and his deft touch with characterization extends even to minor characters."

Kate Wilhelm? You bet, Jackie!

Silent Partner was the first J. Kellerman novel I read too, Poppy... quite some time ago. I thought it was good and read many of his later novels. Don't care much for the more recent ones though. Maybe I just got tired of the formula.

After reading Michael COnnelly"s The Narrows, I had to dig out The Poet and re-read it. Boy, does he take me for a ride! I have read all of his books, spread out over many years. The first one I read wasn't his first, but I've filled in the gaps. As times passes I forget the intensity of the earlier books, just remember the high points. I'll have to re-read them all again, alas.

By coincidence, I'm reading a Faye Kellerman now, which I have wanted to do since she was recommended here. It's "Serpent's Tooth", which may be something of a giveaway, as there is a situation in the book that suggests a possible 'ungrateful child'. If an ungrateful child does turn out to be the villain, I may cry foul.

Nevertheless, I am enjoying the book.

Babi

I am almost finished with "Trace" by Patricia Cornwell. It is a deliciously convoluted plot, but there is something "different" in her writing "voice". Can someone out there who has read this, as well as her other Scarpetta novels, define for me what the difference is? I feel it is something to do with "person" but I'm not an English major, and can't quite put my finger on it. Seems like an awful lot of interior monologue (is that right) going on.

Help!

tomereader, a friend of mine was reading a new book by Cornwell... pretty sure it was that one... and she said she could hardly stand it, in fact didn't finish it. She said it was all written in the present tense which was very offputting. Is that what bothered you?

Other novelists have tried that method, to mixed reviews and varying degrees of success. I read one some time ago but darned if I can remember what it was. Author was Margaret Atwood, I think. I did not care for it.

Jeryn and tomereader - when the question was asked, I thought that book might've been the one that I didn't like because of the use of present tense throughout. I'm sure it was, too - it really set my teeth on edge - almost like fingernails down the blackboard.

The Faye Kellerman books are fascinating since they have a continuing plot line. it concerns observant Jews and their relationship to the community. I hope you enjoy the book. I love her books and have read them all. I read Jonathon, her husbands as well. He is sort of twisting his hero around more than I like, but some of them are quite unusual. He did one in Israel and also did one about a runaway boy, that are not the series, but quite unusual and nice.

Thank you, Stephanie, Jeryn and MaryZ. Present tense, I guess that's what I was trying to communicate. It set my teeth on edge too. I thought for awhile that I wouldn't even bother with the rest of the book, but I persevered and finished it. I hope she doesn't continue in this vein, because I have really liked all her Scarpetta novels, and would hope I could continue enjoying them in the future.

I knew if I asked a question, I'd get good answers here! You all are great.

By the way, perhaps someone here had mentioned in the past, author Beth Saulnier. If not, get on the bandwagon. I had ordered 4 of her novels in paperback from B&N. Just now reading the first one, and wow, do I like her style! She's kind of a Sue Grafton, only with her lead character Alex being a newspaper reporter, not a P.I. Alex writes about a college town in upstate New York. She is saucy, irreverent and imminently likeable. Rated a slight "R" for language and sex, but not off-putting.

I'm finally catching up on a lot of earlier posts. Sorry to hear that quite a few of you are disappointed in the new Dunning Bookman book. I was looking forward to it. The Camille Minichino series is a new one for me and sounds great. After reading your comments I immediately emailed the women in my local mystery group about it. She's definitely going on my list. And so is Ann Waldron. This Presbyterian must read the mystery at the Princeton Seminary.

This morning I was looking at Edgar and Agatha winners/nominees. Oh happy day -- there is a new (?) Margaret Maron Deborah Knott out -- High Country Fall -- have any of you read it?

I'm reading Ruth Rendell's Rotweiller, so titled because of a serial killer rumored to bite his victims, but he really doesn't. So far it's very absorbing.

Now, after reading all your fabulous suggestions I'd like to do nothing more than just curl up with a book for the rest of the day. but I've already skipped church because I read too long in the middle of the night, and now, if I don't get moving in the warm water pool at the Fitness Center, I'll be in deep trouble.

Pedlin, thanks for telling us about "High Country Fall" the latest Deborah Knott book by Maron. That series is my favorite. According to her web site it was published in 2004 and she has another new Deborah Knott book to be published in Aug. 2005. I also liked her earlier series about the New York policewoman detective (Sigrid Harald). I wish she would go back to that series and give it a better goodby if she isn't going to write anymore of them.

Am I the first to notice that Elizabeth George has a new Barbara Haver novel out???! It's called With No One As Witness. Even though her last was disappointing, I'm eager to see what Haver is up to once again!

Has anyone read the latest John Grisham? The Broker, it's called. I usually like his work and just hope he doesn't turn into a hack as some of the ultra-popular suspense writers have.

Also, does anyone here read Jodi Picoult? I see she has a new novel on the bestseller list. I read one of hers, Plain Truth, and liked it so I'm going to check this one out.

Thanks to all of you who contribute your latest, greatest reads ... everyone of you has made this into a super place to get ideas!

We've read The Broker, Grisham's new one. I liked it, John thought it wasn't one of his best. It is different - not really about lawyering and trials. I think he writes a good yarn, even if a lot of them sound like he writing directly for the movies rather than just to read.

Jeryn, I started the new Elizabeth George book today. I think someone on SeniorNet (you?) mentioned it and then I just happened to see it in the new books at our library. I put back all the other books I had planned to check out and took this one. So far it's been good, better than the last one. I'm not far enough into it.

n

I am reading one of Lisa Gardner's books, "The Third Victim". It was copyrighted in 2001 and is about a school shooting spree. The book is set in a small town in Oregon, although I notice the author lives in New England.

She is an excellent writer and her characters are fascinating. I became hooked on her books after I read "The Other Daughter". She writes an exciting story, researches well and I recommend her books.

Great Margaret Maron and Elizabeth George.. My heart be still. Two of my favorites.. Especially is the George is about Havers.. She is a most interesting character. The last George I read was way too heavy on Deborah and Simon. Why he puts up with her is beyond me.. A character that is now leaning heavily on whining and moaning and not even trying to understand anyone elses feelings.

I agree Stephanie. I could not get into and didn't even try to finish that Elizabeth George that focused so on the St. James'. Am looking forward to the new Havers/Lynley.

The new Elizabeth George is Lynley and Havers with lots of interaction with the other department personnel. Powerful ending. If you check her web site you can find her book signing/reading tour schedule. We are going to see her in April.

Poppy, I'll put that name on my list. Irony, another school shooting. Jackie

Can't believe I did it, but, I put down Lawrence Block's All the Flowers are Dying to start Brian Haig's The President's Assassin. I usually inhale Block's work so I will probably go back to it.

Writing about Haig, Jack Higgins said "Brian Haig is John Grisham in an Army uniform." I have only read 1 Gresham book and it was some time ago, so I can't say if Higgins assessment is correct. But I can say I love Haig's work.

I think it was here that I and a couple of others had talked about how disillusioned we'd become with Goldy the Caterer/Diane Mott Davidson's books. Those who liked the early ones need to get to their libraries and get Double Shot. Now...trust me on this...don't give up until you've got to chapter 5. You may think it's the same ol/same ol' but Ms. Davidson has got herself back on track for me.

I stayed up late last night until my eyes would not longer stay open and then read the rest of it this morning before breakfast. I'm hooked on Goldy again...and printed out two of her recipes...one that includes a brine for soaking pork chops in before marinating them. She's says that's a "caterer's secret" to good pork chops.

I hope someone else who's read or reading this one will let me know if you're "rehooked" and think Ms. Davidson has found her focus again for Goldy.

jane

Will give her a try. I had gotten truly unhappy with Goldie, the jerk and that son..

I'm anxious to know what you think, Stephanie. Don't get disillusioned, though in the first 4 chapters...OK?

I almost gave it up then...I'd tired of "the jerk" and the bratty kid. I'm glad I didn't quit it.

jane

I'm glad you told me: I was getting tired of Goldy too. I'll give her a shot. Trouble is, I gain five pounds every time I read one of her books, just from looking at the recipes (LOL).

Something GINNY said about seeing the Queen reminded me of the mystery series with the Queen of England as detective, And I realized I hadn't read Murder at Windsor Castle yet. Just started it: it looks good.

I'm also behind in one of my favorite authors: Gillian Roberts. I just read what I thought was the latest, and realized I've missed a couple. The one I read was "Claire and Present Danger"; the next one has Tom in the title.

The new Stephanie Barron is out (with Jane Austin as the detective), but I haven't gotten it yet. I won't give the title, if you haven't read the last one, you don't want to know.

For Jane Austen fans: my daughter says there is a series with Elizabeth and Darcy from "Pride and Prejudice" as the detectives. I'll give you the details when I have them.

I recently tried Mary Daheim's "A Streetcar Named Expire". Somehow, I just couldn't get into it. A bit too cozy for me. I will try again and see if I enjoy it on the second try.

In the meantime, I am reading Lawrence Block's "A Walk Among the Tombstones". The main character is Matthew Scudder, ex-cop-turned p.i. His girlfriend is a prostitute, which is a bit offputting. However, I like his writing and the setting in New York City. So thanks to whoever recommended him.

I caught the last half of The Hot Rock on TV last night. I was appalled at clumsy, slow, irritating the movie is when I remember the book as beinf so funny. And I like every one of the actors but somhow it just didn't jell. Maybe it was all those shots of Robert Redford's face, just the face. Think I will have read about ole Bernie again.

Jackie

Poppy, I'm not familiar with that Mary Daheim, though I do enjoy her Alpine series. Those I've read up through Alpine Nemisis. I always try to keep one saved (Obit, right now) for a bad mood rainy day when all I want is pure escapism.

I just got Bookman's Promise from the library. Many of you have said you couldn't get into it. I'm not very far yet, but will give it a try.

I'm three quarters finished with Elizabeth George's new book and can't put it done. I love her.

I have just started my first Marcia Muller, "Cyanide Wells", and I can see I'm going to like this author. I'm sure I've seen her name mentioned here before, and she has written at least 30 books. Don't know how I managed to miss her this long.

Babi

GoldenStatePoppy: not sure if it was me who recommended him, but he is one of my favorite authors. Here are the Matthew Scudder books in order of printing. From his website.
http://www.lawrenceblock.com/index_framesetfl.htm

THE SINS OF THE FATHERS. First in the series. A Dell paperback original (1976), with a hardcover first edition from Dark Harvest (1992). Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback

TIME TO MURDER AND CREATE. The second book, although it was actually published after In the Midst of Death. A Dell paperback original (1977) and shortlisted for the Edgar award that year for best paperback mystery. A hardcover first edition was published by Dark Harvest in 1993. Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback.

IN THE MIDST OF DEATH. A Dell paperback original (1976). Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback. A hardcover first edition was published by G&G Books in 1995; it's out-of-print, but LB has a handful of copies available.

A STAB IN THE DARK. First published in hardcover by Arbor House in 1981, and nominated for the Shamus award. Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback.

EIGHT MILLION WAYS TO DIE. Arbor House, 1982. The book where Scudder has to come to terms with his drinking, and the basis (sort of) for a not-very-good film with excellent performances by Jeff Bridges and Andy Garcia. Winner of the Shamus award as best novel, and shortlisted for the Edgar. Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback. *This is my all time favorite Block book. I thought the movie was more than awful. Block has a wonderful use of vocabulary. The movie seemed to know only one word 'the f word'

WHEN THE SACRED GINMILL CLOSES. Arbor House, 1986. This is a prequel, with Scudder in the mid-eighties recollecting events that took place a decade earlier. A Shamus award nominee, and winner of the Japanese Maltese Falcon award. It's a favorite of a lot of readers, and I frequently suggest it as a starting point for readers new to the series. (A note to book collectors: There's no statement of printing on the copyright page of the Arbor House edition, but not to worry. They're all firsts, as there was no second printing.) Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback.

OUT ON THE CUTTING EDGE. William Morrow, 1989. This is the one in which Scudder meets Mick Ballou. Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback.

li>A TICKET TO THE BONEYARD. William Morrow, 1990. The book where Matt hooks up with Elaine again, after all those years. Winner of the Japanese Maltese Falcon award. Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback.

A DANCE AT THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE. William Morrow, 1991. Winner of the Edgar award as best novel of the year. The book that introduces TJ. Currently available as an Avon trade paperback.

A WALK AMONG THE TOMBSTONES. William Morrow, 1992. Currently available as an Avon trade paperback.

THE DEVIL KNOWS YOU'RE DEAD. William Morrow, 1993. Winner of the Shamus award for best novel. Currently available as an Avon trade paperback.

A LONG LINE OF DEAD MEN. William Morrow, 1994. Shortlisted for the Edgar award. Currently available as an Avon trade paperback. I have copies on hand of the hardcover first edition.

EVEN THE WICKED. William Morrow, 1997. (Note to collectors: the Orion edition (UK) was published in the fall of 1996, and is sought by some as the true first edition; the press run was small, and the book's pricey.) The title's from Willa Cather: "Even the wicked get worse than they deserve." Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback.

EVERYBODY DIES. William Morrow, 1998. People have asked whether the title's descriptive or philosophical. Why can't it be both? Currently available as an Avon mass-market paperback. The hardcover's out of print, but I have a pretty good supply.

HOPE TO DIE. William Morrow, 2001. First brought to your attention 25 years ago, Matthew Scudder is back at work, investigating the particularly unpleasant murder of a wealthy West Side couple.

ALL THE FLOWERS ARE DYING. William Morrow, 2005. A man on death row is executed while a psychologist watches from the gallery with more than avid interest. Matt Scudder and Elaine are caught up in the search for a vicious killer.

My input

Babi, I love Marcia Muller. Like her tec much better than Kinsey..

I shall certainly be reading more of the Lawrence Block books. I like his writing style. It is different and effective. Thanks for the list of his books.

I loved the early Marcia Muller -- don't like her last few. The tone and values of the text have changed in ways I don't like.

She is the "mother" of the "tough gal" detective stories -- the first ones published, and set the mold for Grafton, Paretsky, and the others that followed.

Elly Mae - When you get to the last 100 pages be sure that you have time to read non stop as you will not be able to put it down at all.I don't recommend it for bedtime. CubFan

I loved the new Lisa Jackson book Deep Freeze it was a read all night type of book. I got it in Beaufort at a little book store that Ann took us too. Just a great little town.

http://www.lawrenceblock.com/index_framesetfl.htm

Lawrence Block on his BERNIE RHODENBARR MYSTERIES
"The Bernie Rhodenbarr series is as light as Matthew Scudder is dark. Bernie’s a bookseller by day, a burglar by night. Unlike Matt, who grows and ages, Bernie stays the same lighthearted youthful fellow throughout. Just like his creator, come to think of it. . .

Consequently, it’s less important to read the Burglar books in order. (I wrote them in order, but I didn’t have any choice.)"

I love Bernie. He is so much fun. At this time there are 10 of them. GinnyAnn

I've just finished my first Margaret Coel book - The Eagle Catcher. It's a good one. I have a couple of others of hers - both early ones, and am looking forward to reading those, too.

I've just read 2 books by Mary Kay Andrews who lives in Atlanta, Savannah Blues and Hissy Fit. These are sort of romantic, comic, mysteries--with lots of gourmet cooking, antiquing, and Southern life--maybe with tongue in cheek. If you're thinking of a Book Bash in Savannah, you might want to check these out. Fluff, but fun. Sue

Thanks for the names; I'm busily writing them in my Day Runner. Why is it my mind goes utterly blank as soon as I walk into a book store? Can't remember a single author so have to write everything down.

Someone straighten me out, please; I'm confused. Ginny, you listed Lawrence Block books featuring Scudder. The last half-dozen or so books seem to be Scudder books written by William Morrow. Is someone named William Morrow now writing the series begun by Block? Is Block deceased?

Babi

Mrs. Sherlock says, "Why is it my mind goes utterly blank as soon as I walk into a book store?" Thanks for the reminder. I'm heading east in two days, and if I remember correctly, Charlottesville's historic mall has at least three used book stores. I keep a running "to read" list in a text file, and am going to print it out right now.

I now have 40 author's names that have been mentioned here in a Works spreadsheet. This just amazes me since the list doesn't include the many authors I usually read and enjoy. I keep the date they were published and a comment after I have read them. From my printout, I then order used books online from Barnes & Noble. It is great to have my list ready and I order half a dozen at a time of $1.99 books.

Judy, I do love Beaufort. It is a place we retreat to when we feel the need to just lay back and love the place. The old houses, the bustling downtown. The fish.. oh me, the wonderful fish restaurants. When the animal for each town craze was on,, they did pigs and boy did they have fun with them.

Babi William Morrow is the publishing house for the last 10 Scudder novels.

Ah! Thank you, Ginny Ann, for not leaving me in a state of confusion. (I have enough problems already.) <g> ...Babi

I just finished Lawrence Block's "A Walk Among the Tombstones" and Wow, what a ride! If you like a gritty walk in the big city, this is it. But, it also had likeable characters and humor. TJ, the black kid who lives on the streets and wants to be a dectective, is just a delightful character.

Connie, you will love all his other books too. I read one, and was hooked - went to the library and checked out all they had; don't think I missed any. His characters are wonderful. I found myself wondering if the main character was staying sober!

Read them all, Connie. It won't be a waste of time.

tomereader Have you read the latest Scudder book? It is titled All the Flowers Are Dying. I would love to know what you think of it after you read it.

Any Alan Furst fans here? Just finished his latest, Dark Voyage (I think) and it is his best. He writes about Europe prior to and during WWII with an espionage focus. This is not James Bond or George Smiley, though. This is how the war was fought by, in this case, a Dutch tramp steamer capitain. But very compelling. Way down at the end of the chain of command. Dark, yes, but even his minor characters are sharply drawn. He is truly a word craftsman.

Margaret Coel is one of my favorites, Mary Z. I have read 10 of them, and recommend reading them in sequence as the relationship with Father O'Malley develops over the series. Have you tried James D. Doss? The main characters are Utes, and there is some mysticism in each book. I think they are well written, and I am always delighted to find a new one in the library. I used to collect both Coel and Doss, but ran out of shelf space and couldn't give up Nevada Barr, Tony Hillerman, J. A. Jance or Judith Van Gieson, so Coel and Doss had to go.

Elizabeth George's "With No One As Witness" has 94 holds on it at the library. Guess I will wait awhile! I may have better luck with Ruth Rendell's "Rotweiller". Not all in the county are checked out yet. They are very different writers, but I like them both, especially Rendell's dark psyche.

I look forward to Sue Henry's new series with Maxie and Stretch. I had gotten rather burned out on Jesse Arnold but Maxie sound like fun.

I just finished my first Jody Jaffe mystery. It is called "Horse of a Different Killer" and takes place among the Charlotte, North Carolina, horse set. The amateur detective is Nattie Gold, a reporter on the Charlotte newspaper, and owner and show rider of her horse, Brenda Starr. I love the settings and the breezy Nattie, a Jewish woman from Philadelphia, who rushes into action well ahead of her thoughts.

Perkie, we started with the first three Margaret Coel books, and I'm about to get the next three from the library. On the strength of recommendations here, I also got a couple of Carol O'Connell and Beth Saulnier. They're okay, but I don't like them nearly as much as Coel. I'll check out James Doss, too. Thanks for that one.

Just finished "The Bookman's Promise" by Dunning. First time I had read him but it was excellent. I will have to get others soon. I think I saw him recommended here or about.

I'm just finished the first Bookman Book and am now on the second The Bookmans Wake. I sure hope my library can get the next ones. Does anyone know how many there are?

Barb

Barb, I don't know how many "Bookman" books there are, but the list from inside Bookmans Promise shows these titles:

Bookman's Wake; Booked to Die; The Sign of the Book; Two O'clock Eastern Wartime; Deadline; Denver; Looking for Ginger North; The Holland Suggestions.

Is "The Sign of the Book" his latest one?

Someone recommened Donna Andrews Turning Hopper series.

Well the library sent me a different series that starts with the Muder with Peacocks, next one Murder with Puffins (spelled wrong its the name of a bird that flys north/south with stop off on an island off Maine). It is so good!

Booked to Die is Dunnings latest. I wonder if some of those others are part of the Bookman Series or not. I loved the Donna Andrews Murder With Series. I'll have to check and see if she has any new ones out. Thanks for reminding me.

Gram62, have you read We'll Always Have Parrots? That's the latest one I've read. What a hoot!

Thanks for reminding me. I was waiting for "Parrots" to be out in paperback. It is, so I ordered it. She has a new Hardback I see: "Owls Well that Ends Well".

John Dunning has four titles in his Cliff Janeway series, Gram62. They are: Booked To Die, (1992); The Bookman's Wake (1995); The Bookman's Promise (2004); and The Sign of the Book (2005). I haven't caught up with the newest one on the library new book shelf yet, but am looking forward to it.

I also recommend reading James D. Doss' Charlie Moon series in order. They are the ones about a Ute policeman and his elderly shaman aunt, and things that happened in earlier books are often mentioned and the personalities are developed in interesting ways. The titles are: The Shaman Sings (1994); The Shaman Laughs (1995); The Shaman's Bones (1997); The Shaman's Game (1998); The Night Visitor (1999); Grandmother Spider (2001); White Shell Woman (2002); Dead Soul (2003) and The Witch's Tongue (2004).

I seem to be drawn to book with some mysticism in them, but I didn't expect to find any in "Moving Target" by Elizabeth Lowell. It is an audio book and the description on the back mentioned shocking revelations but I still didn't realize that it is as much of a romance as a mystery. I fast forwarded through the most lurid scenes because they were boring. And I never want to hear about the man's bird of prey eyes again! In spite of the above, it is a good story with lots of tension and not too much mayhem. Her descriptions of the man's reproductions of manuscript pages and the woman's weavings are excellent.

Perkie, on the recommendation of you and/or others here, I have ordered from the library the first three of the James Doss books (plus the second three of Margaret Coel). I'm really looking forward to reading them.

We've been reading John Dunning for ages - I would've thought there would be more than four in the Bookman series, but I haven't really checked.

Now I've checked, and I guess that's about right. Here's the web site.

http://www.oldalgonquin.com/home.php?pageName=Home%20Page

Found a new lawyer series: David Rosenfelt's Open and Shut. Attorney Andy Carpenter, son of a retired DA, is a smart alec who represents petty criminals. Lots of good courtroom stuff, good secondary characters, mystery with lots of twists and turns. I'm going looking for the second book, First Degree. Also read a new Patricia Sprinkles book, Who Killed the Queen of CLubs? about the Yarboroughs of South Carolina, LIttle Bit and Jay Ridley. Up to her usual standards, suspemse and fun.

Mrs Sherlock, Thanks for the info about Parrots, its time for a tripto the library tomorrow and I'll be sure and check for it.

Finished reading Robert B Parkers Cold Service. Even though it deals with heavy stuff, the books reads easily. Short chapters. No waisted words. He is one of my main PI/Mystery authors.

Just finished Margaret Maron's "High Country Fall". Really enjoyed it. I loved the ending. Also found two other authors that I am enjoying--Veronica Black who writes a Sister Joan series. This book is named "Vow of Poverty" set in Great Britain. The other author is Jeanne M. Dams whose series is set in Indiana in early 20th century. Both very good writers.

Some of my authors are on the Coming Soon list at B&N. So convenient ordering online. What are the rest of you reading?

I am reading one of Lawrence Block's early books (1992), A Dance at the Slaughterhouse. A quote from one reviewer "A grim, skillful urban mystery. Matthew Scudder has evolved into the perfect noir hero". Everything Block writes about is so foreign to anything that I know that I find it intriguing. The hero is a recovering alcoholic who attends daily AA meetings. His lady friend is a high class hooker.

I order half a dozen used books at a time from Barnes & Noble or Amazon and they come to me from small bookstores all over the country.

I love the Matthew Scudder stories. I'm going to look for new ones I haven't read. Thanks.

I'm also reading Lawrence Block "Hope To Die" with Scudder. It was released in 2001 and I missed it the first time around.

I seldom really enjoy a 'noir' type of story. Lack of sophistication,no doubt. Or perhaps just a stubborn preference for decent heros & heroines, albeit human and, hopefully, with a touch of wry humor.

Babi

Babi, how are you on Ripley?

Which Ripley, Ginny. Off-hand, I don't recall reading any books by a Ripley, tho' I do remember an author of that name discussed before. I think I made a note at the time, but now when I check I find at least four authors of that name, all women. I thought I remembered the Ripley mentioned here was a man.

You'll have to clue me in again, I fear.

Babi

Matthew Scudder, the hero in Lawrence Block's books, is definitely a good guy. It is the setting in New York City that creates the noir atmosphere. He retains his morals and ethics in spite of what goes on around him. His observations about the city are rather bluntly put, but honest, I think. This is a contrast to some writers who are better descriptive writers such as Jonathan Kellerman, for instance. I like both kinds and the difference between them.

Babi, the Ripley series, I think it's 6 books, excellently written and one movie, were by Patricia Highsmith, the mistress of noir, but they are strangely addictive, at least to me. I hated to finish the last one and learn there were no more.

I saw the movie first, learned it was a book and was astounded to see that she had written a sequel and devastated to find them end, of course she's passed on now. She's definitely noir.

I loved that movie. Jude Law is worth watching over and over and so is Matt Damon, it was super.

Could you be thinking of Ridley Pearson, Babi? His latest novel is: "The Body of Dvid Hayes." I haven't read it [it's one of many books teetering on the TO READ pile. I like this series because the location is in and around Seattle, Washington [near Portland, Oregon where I live]. Back cover states: Wil more than six million copies of his bestselling trillers in print, Ridley Pearson returns with a riveting novel abou big-time embezzlement, murderous Russian Mafiosi, and a miguided love affair in he past that threatens to ruin the lives of Seattle police lieutenatn Lou Boldt and his wife Elizabeth..."

Ginny, what is the name of the movie you were referring to? I love to watch Jude Law?

Wow! Patricia Highsmith has joined my authors' list as has Ridley Pearson. Is wry humor a part of either of these series?

I am a fan of Ridley Pearson. His early book (1992) "The Angel Makers" about a black market in human organs, is excellent. "Chain of Evidence" is not so exciting, but still very, very good.

The Movie

The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)

Directed by Anthony Minghella

Writing credits (WGA)

Patricia Highsmith (novel)

Anthony Minghella (screenplay)

Lawrence Block is one of my all time favorite author's. Having said that I have to admit I got half way into his All the Flowers Are Dying and stopped reading it. I may go back to it some day. Sometimes it is all in the timing. Ripley US author Alexandra Ripley, best known for Scarlett, sequel to Gone with the Wind, has died aged 70.

BIOGRAPHY MIKE RIPLEY is the author of the award-winning ‘Angel’ series of comedy thrillers set mainly in Essex and London’s East End. In Double Take he moves ‘up west’ big time, to London’s wild west frontier around Heathrow airport and with a new multi-cultural cast of characters all determined to make crime pay. It has been said that Mike Ripley ‘paints a picture of London Dickens would recognise’ and apart from being acknowledged as one of Britain’s funniest crime writers, he is also a respected critic of crime fiction, reviewing for the Daily Telegraph, The Times, The Good Book Guide and the Birmingham Post. Mike Ripley has twice won the Crime Writers' Association Last Laugh Dagger for best humourous crime novel.

Novels by Mike Ripley (published by The Do-Not Press):

That Angel Look (1997)

Double Take (2002)

Edited by Mike Ripley (with Maxim Jakubowski):

Fresh Blood (1996)

Fresh Blood 2 (1997)

Fresh Blood 3 (1999)

Fresh Blood Set (2001)
http://www.thedonotpress.com/authors/mikeripley.html

've never been able to appreciate Lawrence Block's Mike Scudder series, but I adore his Burglar series. I think it is the difference between the noir setting of the former and the lightheartedness of the second.

I wish I liked the Ripley series as much as you do, Ginny, but found Ripley so self-centered that he put my teeth on edge. My problem. Fortunately that are so many writers out there that I have not read that I can fill my time nicely.

I have just finished "Death of a Hired Man", and no, it is not in M. C. Beaton's Hamish Macbeth series. It is by Eric Wright and features retired detective Mel Pickett. It is placed in and near Toronto, a whole new territory in my mystery reading. It is not great, but good enough that I plan to read the first one in the series "Buried in Stone". I seem to recall that I liked "Death of a Sunday Writer", in Wright's Lucy Trimble series, a lot more and see that there is another in that series to check out. Books are like potato chips, you can't stop with just one!

No, Scrawler, I was responding to Ginny's reference to the Ripley series. I have Ridley Pearson in my book list, but I didn't find him first time I looked for him. Have to give it another try.

Right now I'm relaxing with an easy cozy, "The English Breakfast Tea Murder", by Laura Childs. The title reference is to English Breakfast Tea, not to a murder at a tea in England. The heroine runs a tea shop, with a large variety of exotic teas that leave you wanting to try some.

Babi

I tried but couldn't get interested in any of Ridley Pearson's books even though they were set in Seattle where I grew up.

I'm now reading Beth Saulnier's third book in her Alex Bernier series. The first was Reliable Source, the second was Distemper and the third is The Fourth Wall. I'm really enjoying them and agree that they remind you of Sue Grafton's books; a reporter vs. a private investigator.

Mary in TX

I am not familiar with Laura Childs, BaBi. but will definitely add "The English Breakfast Tea Murder" to my list. Thank you for the recommendation. My library apparently has just caught on to Laura Childs. They have #5 in the Tea Shop mysteries: "Jasmine Moon Murder" which came out in 2004, but not the first 4. I'll keep an eye out when I visit used book stores.

Ditto with Beth Saulnier's books, Redbud. According to my library catalog, there are 5 in the series. #4 is "Bad Seed" and #5 is "Ecstasy". I think I will start with "Reliable Source".

I will try any book that has Native American characters, especially Southwestern tribes. Jean Hager's characters are Cherokee who are descendants of those who were forced to relocate in Oklahoma along the "Trail of Tears". It is placed in a small town near Tulsa, and the police chief is Mitch Bushyhead, half Cherokee. The first one I read was "Grandfather Medicine" and the second one is "Ghostland". I find I am not immediately captivated by the stories, but am drawn in gradually and end up being glad I read the book. They are not very long, so not so heavy to hold while reading in bed, but the characters are memorable. Chief Bushyhead is especially sympathetic, which I like much more than the hard-boiled detective. On the other hand, I still have a soft spot in my heart for Mickey Spillane, but I was a lot younger when I read those books!

Perkie, since you like books with SW Indian characters, I assume you've read Tony Hillerman. He's been a favorite of ours for years. I've just discovered Margare Coel, and am working my way through her series. I'm on #5 right now, with #6 waiting on the table. Very good.

I have just begun reading Alone by Lisa Gardner. I very much liked her previous books The Survivors Club and The Third Victim<. To my surprise, this arrived as a hardback. I ordered through Amazon and ordered a used one. Don't know if they were out and substituted or what.

I've read six of hers is there a new one? she has a web site I could probably check. . . . English settings are hard for me, never having been there I can't visualize. I need to be able to identify with the protagonist. Robt. Crais is on my list I think I've only read one of his. there are so many choices. I read Sci Fi also and just finished Frank Herbert's Lazzerus effect. titles are beyond me too. and names but I remember stories. .. . Claire

Lisa Scottoline: the last one I read is "Killer Smile". Very good. Don't know if the next one is out yet.

Just returned to the Library the new Claire Malloy mystery by Joan Hess. This one is The Goodbye Body and I enjoyed it. I'm a big Joan Hess fan, though.

jane

Just came back from the library with six mysteries, including the newest Stephanie Barron Jane Austin mystery. I hear it's better than her last one.

There is a new Carolyn Hart mystery out (Annie and Max series), but there's already a long reserve list at my library. I've been reading a delightful series by Jeanne Dams. The protagonist is an American widow (Dorothy Martin) living in England. I keep picturing her in my mind as looking like Angela Lansbury. So far I have read most of them but can't seem to find the first one in the series which would probably explain more about the death of her husband and why she is living in a small town in England.

Upon the recommendation of someone here, I found Haunted Ground by Erin Hart at our library and just finished it this morning. Very enjoyable. I will check for more by that author.

Now I'm starting a novel by Jody Picoult. It's called Vanishing Acts. It's starting out to be quite intriguing. Are all her books mysteries? I've only read one other, Plain Truth; it was sort of a mystery.

I found the first Jeanne Dams after reading the second two. Interesting, but nothing much about the first husband.. Brought back several unknown( to me) english authors from our trip.. The exchange rate dictated that I only brought some..Still it is fun to have the English version of the covers, etc.

I am reading Tami Hoag's Dark Horse. Apparently she is a competitive equistrian in dressage, so this books has a horsy setting. I have little interest in horses or the horsy set, but the story is so good that I will continue with it. She is quite a wonderful writer and I have enjoyed her previous books. As noted in a review, "She is one of the most intense suspense writers around".

FlaJean, I haven't heard of Jeanne Dams, but her series sounds good. I"m going to have to look for her. As for Annie and Max, I've needed a good long break from them -- they just got too cutesy. But I do like Hart's Henrie O series. I hope there will be a new one of those out soon.

Tonight I'll finally finish the David Baldacci our local mystery club is reading. It's the first time I've ever read him, and I know he always get rave reviews. But this one, Split Second, is just too much. Too unbelievable. These all powerful, omnipotent villians just don't sound real.

I enjoyed the last Dunning -- Bookman's Promise -- it's kind of a story within a story. Glad to hear there is another one after this. His "Two AM Eastern Wartime" is different from his other books. Not exactly a mystery. Very different, but good.

I liked Dunnings Eastern Wartime, but tried to read another which was sort of a caper type and could not finish it.. His first two Bookman were the best thus far. I bought several Harry Potter in England mainly to get the covers and the English variations.. This is not to read but to keep for the grandchildren. I like old Harry and already had the American editions. I am knee deep in books to read just now. Started four different ones for a variety of reasons. I am trying to read Val McDermott,, latest in paperback, but it is tough going. She is one of the authors, that I basically love and hate together. Still I read a bit each day in the hopes of getting hooked into this one. Also a new Amelia Peabody in paperback,, this one goes back to where they found Nefret and seems to double back a bit.. I like her stuff very much. Amelia makes me really laugh.

Harry Potter English version: a friend always orders them from England. She says the American versions are "dumbed down". For example, every time a character says "I think..." in the English version, the American has "I reckon". Is that true?

Hmm. will check out my English Potters to see. The only difference I knew of was the drawings are done by two different artists and of course the covers are quite different.and the first one has a different name.

I am nearly finished reading "Company Man" by Joseph Finder. Talk about a "can't put down - read until 2:00 AM" book. His previous one, Paranoia, was a little too technical/complicated for my taste, but this one is excellent. It is a comparatively long book, but I dare not pick it up during the daytime hours, or can't get a thing done. I really can't imagine how it ends, but I certainly wouldn't be able to wrap everything up in a pleasing manner! (not that I have to have a happy ending).

Recommend this one!

I made a note of it

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claire

Thanks to you all's recommendations, I just read my first Margaret Coel, "Bride of Moon. I enjoyed it a lot, and will get her others. The detecting was a little weak -- the detectives seemed to just know things without any background to show how. But the rest was fine. The historical background was very interesting.

As noted before, I am reading "Dark Horse" by Tami Hoag. Although the horsy set doesn't interest me, her writing and her characters are so good that I can hardly put it down. It is certainly a book that gets better and better. I sometimes would like to shake the heroine to get her to straighten up but that is an indication about how emotionally involved I am with the book.

I am not a fan of Tami Hoag, GoldenStatePoppy, but if it has horses, as in "Dark Horse" I will give it a try. I am currently reading my second Nattie Gold horsey mystery, "Chestnut Mare, Beware" and like it as much as "Horse of a Different Killer". The author is Jody Jaffe. Nattie Gold is a Jewish woman, raised in Philadelphia but living in North Carolina. Nattie is small with bright red hair and a feeling of never belonging. She is also an impulsive reporter who shows her hunter (horse type) Brenda Starr and who gets herself in and out of trouble because of her "insatiable curiosity", to quote Kipling. I would rate it a cozy complete with horses, which I find satisfying.

reading PURITY AND DEATH. . . . you have to get used to her vernacular but it's entertaining. a good one or two day read like all the other IN DEATH series. this one is about a computer virus that attacks humans. . . Claire

thanks for the referral to the natti gold series. sounds just like my kind of cozy. I like dogs too. There was a series featuring bloodhounds, but I forget the authors name. Last I heard she was sick, so there are only a few of them. does anyone remember her? . . . Claire

re horses: there's Dick Frances and his horse racing mysteries. . . not really about horses though just horsey people. . . . claire

Oh, I don't know, Winsum. It seems to me I know a lot more about horses and horse racing from reading Dick Francis. I've enjoyed every one of his books. I need to check and see if he has produced any more since the last I read.

Babi

re dick frances. I like him too but fall behind. I'm sure thre are some I haven't read but there is so much good stuff out there and then there is LIFE. . . living takes time too. . . (S). Claire

The Bloodhound lady died. I loved her books and was so sad to hear it. She was older before she started writing. Good books indeed Dick Francis is now retired and has not published for a few years. I love Susan Conant, but she does write about the show and obedience world in dogs and some people dont like that. I have read at least two different authors who write about horses, but the only one I can remember at this point is Willie Shoemaker, who writes about race horses. Quite good actually.

The man who talks to horses by monty roberts, the originator of todays methods in training, not breaking horses. . .very easy reading and interesting. . . . claire

When I read some of the authors you too have enjoyed. Dick Francis was a great favorite of mine and I always KNEW I would enjoy his books..Mickey Spillane ..oh my I remember reading his book My Gun is Quick years ago when I was pregnant ..someone asked me about it and I said Well his gun is not the only thing that was quick!! I think I read I ,The Jury a second time when I was much older and didnt enjoy it as much..

Just finished reading the paperback book by Dan Brown .I finised it but cant say I truly enjoyed it ..too much hi tech for me and I guessed the bad guy early on and even checked the ending to see if I really wanted to finish it ..I did but skipped over some of the explanations they were just TOO MUCH ..Digital Fortress ..was the name ..anna

I think I've read most of Dick Francis' horse and rider/jockey/JockeyClub mysteries. I believe he must be about 90 years old now. I haven't seen a new one in a while.

I just finished Jane and His Lordship's Legacy by Stephanie Barron. It was interesting, but wasn't a real page turner like the Michael McGarrity southwestern mysteries. I took several days to read it. Most times if the mystery is really exciting with lots of twists and turns, I will stop everything else and read until I'm finished. Sue

is really a sci-fi so the technical has to be emphasized. I enjoyed it once I accepted the technical premise. The writing made the setting come alive for me. Dan Brown is a good writer. . . . .I get the same kind of thing with Tom Clancy, although his premises are more apt to be real., Claire

I learned a lot about horse racing from Dick Frances, such that I can now watch a horse race on TV and see some of the tactics. His best mysteries deal with something he has researched, like the jewel trade, wine buying, the diplomatic corps, painting, etc., and you learn a lot about whatever the subject is. His wife died a couple of years ago, and he said he wouldn't write any more mysteries. Apparantly she was the one who did the research, and also tightened up his grammar, but she didn't want her name on the books. I think I've read them all, and they vary a lot in quality, but most of them are quite good.

Just finished the Tami Hoag book "Dark Horse". It is set in the dressage horse world of wealthy people whose hobby is horses. The heroine, Elena, was an adopted daughter of very wealthy parents and grew up in this world. She went into police work, partly to spite her father, who thought his daughter's expensive education should be used for something better.

It is a dark book with some truly nasty characters attracted to the wealth around the horses. The heroine is quite troubled because of extensive physical problems caused by a misjudgement in her police work as well as being haunted by her mistake which caused it and the death of a fellow police officer..

This book is not for the faint of heart. It is gritty.

Dick Francis is one of my favorite authors. I remember getting his books from one of my book clubs or the library as they were published. I still own the books I bought. I hated to finish his books because I couldn't be with his characters any more.

Right now I am reading The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown and I am enjoying it.

I've always enjoyed Tami Hoag's books. Poppy's review of "Dark Horse" gives me pause, but I'll probably look for it anyway. So far, I've never been disappointed with any of Hoag's books, and she has quite a few I haven't read yet.

Babi

If you like horses, Rita Mae Brown, has an animal series: Mrs. Murphy (cat) who solves the mystery before the humans and than tries to help her owner solve it. They all live on a ranch and sometimes the horses help solve the mystery. For light reading you can't beat it.

Rita Mae also write a fox hunt series that has a lot to with horses.. Sort of romanticizes the fox, but still good. There is a horse series, that is a Texas type thing.. The girl is ( I believe) a barrel racer, which I found interesting.

Ah I just remembered I have always enjoyed THE CAT WHO stories ..I go through cycles where I only read one kind of story at a time,...years ago I belonged to The Mystery Book Club and loved it ..the best thing about reading them was I didnt have to remember them just enjoy them. My children were small then and I needed diversion and mysteries gave me that. I could relax and enjoy a good mystery and not have to worry about all the problems in my world for the time I was reading..Of course once when I was reading a Mary Stewart mystery Nine Coaches Waiting ??/ cant really recall I was so caught up in the book , I fixed dinner and told my husband and children EAT and let me finish my book!!!anna

Just finished Ridley Pearson book The Body of David Hayes. I enjoyed it and don't think I have read any of his books before.

I'm reading Laura Child's Mrs Sherlock Holmes mystery "The Game", and enjoying it very much. The premise is that Rudyard Kipling's "Kim" is a real person. As a middle-aged man, he had disappeared and Sherlock and Mary go to India to look for him.

So far short on mystery, but rich in atmosphere.

The Cat Who.... I used to really look forward to each of Braun's new books. But, when the mystery started taking second place to the background stuff I stopped reading them. I liked Qwill and Polly but I also like a good mystery.

I finished The Da Vinci Code. A plot driven story with good characterization.

and they had a list of authors who write humorous mysteries I chose one by Donna Andrews Revenge of the Wrought Iron Flamingos but then saw one by Lawerence Block called Hope to Die and decided to bring that one home too. I think I have read some of his books and remembered I enjoyed them ..so will give a report later ..any one read either of these books ???anna

Annafair.. Lawrence Block writes several types of mysteries. The Burglar series is funny, but most of the others are distinctly not. Good books, but not funny. Mary Stewart. Oh me, I did love her books so much when I was younger.

I've been reading Donna Andrews mysteries lately (you can go back a few pages and see). I thought the Flamingo one was somewhat funny, but I liked the one I just finished better. It was Crouching Buzzard, Leaping Loon. I also like her series about the AI Computer, Turing Hopper, too, but I don't think they are funny--at least they don't make me laugh. Sue

Just finished Donna Andrews "There Will always be Parrots" Not nearly as funny as "Crouching Buzzard". Her first, "Murder with Peacocks" is also hilarious.

Well I have started the book but am not into it yet ,.We had a power outage to begin with and it is the first of the month and I have to pay bills so I think my mind is not really ready ..tomorrow I am going to make a bowl of popcorn and sit down ang READ! but am pleased to hear your good opinions...anna

I liked the "puzzle" part of the book, but the ending seemed to me to be way out there. Did you happened to catch the special that was on TV? It explained alot about the actual facts of the book and how much of the book was imagined, but cleverly done. I personally liked "Digital Fortress" the best of all Dan Brown's books.

Now they are doing all sorts of tours around Da Vinci... Sort of funny.. A tour about a fiction book, but people are flocking to go. I liked the book, but still think it was quite far fetched. Have not read any of his others.

I loved it. I don't know enough about catholicism to spot the trouble areas. for me it was a great mystery and fine writing. Also I think I learned a lot about the Vatican as a separate nation. . . well worth th time I think. Claire

Lots of talk about Donna Andrews here. I had never heard of her before, but came home from the library a few weeks ago with Access Denied. What a fun read. I love the play on names -- Turing Hopper, Alan Grace. Sure learned a lot about credit card scams and the whys and wherefores of how such crooks pick their victims.

Hard to believe no one has posted here since May 2? Was Seniornet down for a while? I could not get on last night...

Anyhow, I am here to comment on Elizabeth George's latest, With No One As Witness, a rather strange title for a looong novel that, frankly, left me gasping and kept me up till the wee hours this morning! Starts slow; finishes fast... maybe too fast? Have any of you read it? I'd love to hear some others' opinions and comments.

I'll just say that the ending was definitely not what I'd hoped for... OK for Barb Havers but definitely NOT OK for ADS Lynley, AC Hillier, or Lady Helen. I also think there was about one criminal too many! Could this be the final in George's series?

I am reading an early (1986) book by Lawrence Block, "When the Sacred Ginmill Closes". Matthew Scudder was still drinking then, going from one seedy place to another that opened early and closed late. He earns a living by doing detective work as an unlicensed PI.

I like his brusk, spare writing style. A blurb on the cover says "Much more than a mystery...a book about men, about booze, about New York, by one of the surest, most distinctive voices in American fiction."

Lynley and Lady Helen.. Oh me.. I love those two, just dont like Simons naggy wife.. Maybe Elizabeth George thinks she has mined the field long enough. I will have to get the book. Always wait for Paperback.. I am just now starting Michael Connely's "The Narrows" I do like Harry and it is starting really well. Also picking around with a new type Vampire;;;; dragon''etc type book. But am beginning to suspect I somehow managed to buy a romance disguised as a dragon book.. Hmm. Will keep it up for a while, but one more long desciption about dream sex and I am outta here.

Read Twisted by Johnathan Kellerman. A very good read. I started The Villa of Mysteries by both Kellermans (written together) but just couldn't get into the two stories at all and gave up on them. Have just started Skeleton Man by Tony Hillerman. I always enjoy his books. I especially like Lt. Leaphorn.

Jeryn, re: Lynleys -- I hope you're not saying she killed them off. Anyway, I've got it on hold at the library.

I've attended an Elizabeth George book signing and presentation since her new book came out and she is well into the writing of the next book so she is continuing with the same characters although someone else will emerge as the primary focus in this one. She's done that in the past with a couple of books.. Also starting in June there is supposed to be a new series on PBS that will feature Lynley and Havers but not based on the books. She seemed pleased with what she had seen of the series. She said that her books are character studies using mystery as the vehicle and is amazed, but pleased, with how involved her readers are with her characters. Her web site reflects some very strong feelings from her readers regarding her last book. I don't recommend you go there until after reading the book as it is the ending they are discussing.If you ever have an opportunity to attend one of her book signings she does a very nice presentation. Talks for a strong half hour or more and answers questions of another strong half hour. She also talks to each person as she signs the books.CubFan

Read the Donna Andrews book and was surprised to find the locale was Yorktown Va since I live about a 20 minute drive from there.I have to say I found it hard to get into ..we were at least 3/4 into the story before we had a corpse and in the end it was someone who was "done" in by a copy cat Wrought Iron Flamingo..rather amusing way to go and of course the heroine solves the mystery when she figures out who dunit ..it really didnt capture my attention..then I started the Lawerence Block book and almost on the first page we have a grisly crime , with detailed descriptions that were really hard to read. So I find myself reluctant to proceed,.I think I miss the mysteries of my past, the Mary Stewarts, Daphne DuMaurier , these were mysteries not necessarily detective stories and ones where the victim is "done in" but not in inhumane and grisly ways.. I am smiling at that ..it is okay to kill someone off but dont offend me by doing it unkindly..anna

Have any of you been following the new Miss Marple series on PBS? I like the actress that plays Miss Marple a lot. And so far, the two they've done ("Murder at the Vicarage" and "A Murder is Announced") are favorites that I've read many times, so had no trouble following. But they are complicated, especially the second, and my friends who watched found themselves very confused. What do you all think?

I have been watching the Miss Marple series, JOAN, and I agree they are not easy to follow. Reading the stories, you can stop and think about what you have just read, mull it over, and possibly catch a clue. On TV, you have no chance to do that. If you stop to think about what was just said, you miss whatever happens next! Ah, well...I enjoy them anyway.

Babi

I am enjoying the new Miss Marple series but my all time favorite Miss Marple is Joan Hickson. When I re-read any of those books, I always picture her. I never thought Margaret Rutherford resembled the book Miss Marple at all. I didn't realize there were 12? Miss Marple books until I read it on the Internet. I've only read about 5 or 6. I'm going to see if I can locate the others.

My tv has a sound problem which is not unusual. I can't adjust the bass/treble on it and it makes english accents even even more difficult for me to follow. at least in the books you don't have to deal with that problem. . . , Claire

Claire, turn on the captioning.

I started to watch Murder at the Vicarage when it was shown, and unfortunately fell asleep. Don't know whether it was me or the show. Now I've taped A Murder is Announced and can watch it at leisure. I'm with you on Joan Hickson, FlaJean. She's the one I associate with Miss Marple, but I'll withold judgement until I see M Rutherford's performance.

I think I've probably read all the Miss Marple books, but years ago. The one I liked best was What Mrs. McGillicudy Saw. I don't know if that's the British or American title. It's other title has something to do about a train. At any rate, a very good story. I hope it makes PBS.

it seems to be automatically controlled by my digital cable people. It's always on but sometimes the background is the same color and some of the typist are worse than I am and don't understand English either making up words they've missed which don't fit.

The mystery I"m reading now go get the book for the author is called MURDER HURTS. . . is a series about a cope which really concentrates on them as characters. I like that because then I can identify and be there with them. this one is set locally at Crystal Cove in Orange County CA near where I live It's a neat location for artist because all those little cabins look folksy and romantic. and we often use it for landscaping. . now that author is A.E. MAXWELL. and this is a series. . . . . Claire.

"The one I liked best was What Mrs. McGillicudy Saw." My local station advertised "Mrs McGillucudy Saw" for next week. Then later, they advertised "The Body in the Library". Two good ones -- looks like we'll get them both.

I have trouble understanding accents, and I could never understand a word Joan Hickson said. And the pictures were dark: I could never see what was happening either. So that series was a washout for me.

My favorite Miss Marple was Helen Hayes. She did two for TV and they were both excellent.

I almost, sort of , finished the Lawerence Block book..it was rather slow or I was just not in the mood but about 2/3rds into the book I skipped to the back and I didnt like the ending so I sort of read enough to make sure the killer was who I thought it was and then closed it and will return it today ..is a mystery the same as a suspense book? I know I was glued to The Hunt for Red October and other of that kind. But I loved the Dick Francis books and many more that were detective books over the years...with summer coming I enjoy reading and I dont want heavy books ..so will look for your suggestions..anna

that do not have a serial aspect to them but are complete in themselves.

Bill there used to be a broader subject here with horror and adventure and westerns etc. I liked that formatt since I read all of them and it's sometimes hard to decide where to put a comment. . . . Claire

I'm reading my first James Doss mystery, Night Visitor, one of the Shaman series. It is on the light side, with a good bit of humor and some characterization that borders on satire. One line I appreciated was a reference to 'politically correct' language as "intellectual McCarthyism" currently popular.

Babi

Well, this week I read John Grisham's latest, The Broker. That one flew right by... an easy read with a nice ending.

Then I began Hard Truth, Nevada Barr's latest adventure with Anna Pigeon. Not a pretty story. Soooo unpretty, in fact, that I kind of skipped through it. Just me, but Barr's fans will love it as it's right up to her usual form.

Moving on now to a mystery by Sue Henry, a new author to me... recommended right here but forget by whom.

Thanks for letting us know that Nevada Barr has a new book out. I've just put a hold on it at the library.

Wow.. We were in Haslams ( a really really large new and used bookstore in St. Pete, Fl.) and I took an inventory of new hardbacks, that I will wait until paper for. Seems as if all of my favorite authors have new books out. Hurray. A new Bookman, Elizabeth George, Evanovich, Barr. Wow. I am reading one of the Evanovich written with another woman, but I confess I find it draggy and awful. Makes me wonder about Stephanie Plum. How come she could invent such a wonderful character and then revert back to the old romance style stuff. Bah..

I am reading a book by Perri O'Shaughnessy, which is actually two sisters writing together. "Unfit to Practice" is well written and exciting, although I am only about 1/4 through it. This author was recommended by someone here. The setting is Lake Tahoe and San Francisco.

I've had my first mystery novel published at age 73 and it's aimed at people our age. "A Stroke of Misfortune" published by Silver Dagger Mysteries has a protagonist, Emma Daniels, who lives in a high rise on the beach in Sarasota which is filled with retirees. When her best friend, Gerry, dies unexpectedly while undergoing treatment in the hospital and Gerry's husband has a stroke a few hours later rendering him unable to speak, Emma is devastated. But when the cops think Phil, Gerry's husband is the killer, Emma knows it can't be true and searches for the real murderer. I've had many people tell me they stayed up into the wee hours to read it as they couldn't put it down.

How exciting to read about your published mystery. You don't tell us your name or your pen name. I would like to read it. I began a mystery to be set in my California retirement community. However, a stroke and lack of self-discipline slowed me down. Perhaps I will be inspired to take it up again although I find writing hard work, indeed.

We should be able to find it by the title. I'll run "A Stroke of Misfortune" thru' the library catalog and see if I can find it. Isn't it fun to be able to read a book and talk to the author about it?!!

Babi

I looked in our online library list and "A Stroke of Misfortune" (by Nancy Gotter Gates) is on order. I'm looking forward to reading it. While checking the on order list I notice that Earlene Fowler has a new book "Delectable Mountains" due out any day now, and Kathy Reichs also has a new book due out in June called "Cross Bones". Both of the last writers are so different but I thoroughly enjoy each one.

I stayed up until the wee hours last night with Dating is Murder by Harley Jane Kozak. Evidently this is her second book. The first is a mystery, also, Dating Dead Men. This was a fun read with some funny incidents, ha ha funny, not strange. Sue

Actually there is a writer who writes about a California retirement village. Have forgotten the author, but there are three ladies who detect. Very funny, decent mysteries as well. Now to remember her name. Am reading Michael Connelly's " The Narrows" Excellent so far. But then I love his stuff.

Stephanie, Is Corinne Holt Sawyer the author you are referring to? She writes the mysteries set in the California seaside retirement community of Camden-sur-Mer. I've read most of these mysteries and love her characters (Angela Benbow and Caledonia Wingate) and her dry sense of humor.

Margaret Coels GHOST WALKER. . set in Arapaho land among the native american indians with a Jesuit preist, Father John O'Malley who is a hunk . . . and very devoted to his calling. .as the protagonist and which creates small situations. It is the second of three . . a series, and held me for most of the day. A one day read . . excellent . . Claire

FlJean.. Yes, yes,, Corinne Holt Sawyer. I do like her stuff. nothing too serious, but still fun. By the way, I also live in Florida,, right in the center. Clermont to be exact..

Having returned the two library books with mixed feelings I read Nightime is my time by Mary Higgins Clark , a house guest left it behind so I spent a day being lazy and read it. As usual it is a good read but is it just me that her books while good have a sameness about them?

I read The Broker in Feb when the bookies were in SC and enjoyed it ..will look for the Book our author mentioned..please do share your name ..always love to read a book and see what the author says..that makes it a bonus..anna

Annafair, I always feel that way about Mary Higgins Clark. I think she writes basically the same book over and over. So quit reading her a while ago. I finished "The Narrows" by Michael Connoly.. Oh me, I did like it, although it was more than a bit far fetched.A bit violent.

Stephanie, Isnt Haslams Book Store something else??? So many books one hardly knows where to start. I sure didnt find any bargains tho. I think when I was there I was looking for one special thing, can't remember now what is was. I bet if a person really had the time to browse there would be some real finds. Barb

I'm halfway through my third one and find that there are lots more, but not easily available without buying them retail I guess I'll have to learn to use the Amazon used book process. I think it's directly involved with the seller. Anyone here use it? . . . Claire

CLAIRE: I'm on my second Margaret Coel book: my library has a whole shelf of them.

I buy used books from Amazon all the time. It has always worked well for me. You don't get the free shipping on orders over $25: shipping is usually $3.50. I look for "very good" condition, often by paying pennies more than the cheapest you can get a lot better condition. I look for a seller with lots of ratings, and a 4.8 or higher rating.

Look also at the "new books from ...". You can often get new books that have been remaindered very cheaply. If the book has come out in paperback, the hardbacks are often sold off cheaper than the paperbacks. Even with the shipping, it is often cheaper than buying the paperback in the store. (The only downside: hardbacks take so much more room).

I am another who buys used books from both Amazon and Barnes & Noble. They must immediately place the order with small bookstores all over the country. I like the idea of supporting these small bookstores and being able to get what I want. When I am through with them, I donate them to the library in the retirement community where I live.

I copied your posts into my special note folder. . . . Claire

I buy used books from Amazon. Have always gotten good service and I generally email them to discover what else they have, that I might want. Cuts down on the shipping per book if I can get more than one. Haslams is a really neat store, but I dont find it has much in the way of bargains. However if you are looking for an obscure book on a rare subject. I bet you would find it. There is a wonderful book store in downtown Boston that is absolutely incredible for older stuff. It looks a serious mess, but ask the clerks and they can send you to the right stack to look at.. Amazing.

Claire, et al - The Margaret Coel series is up to 10 novels. I've just finished reading the last of them. Started with the first after I heard about them on this board. I went to the library, and just got them three at a time. Enjoy!

Stephanie, what is the name of the Boston bookstore? I get to Boston sometimes.

I am finishing the last few pages of 'A Morbid Taste For Bones' by Ellis Peters. What a great mystery! I can't wait to read the others in the series.

Oh wow. The bookstore is in Cambridge, close to Harvard. If it has a name, I dont know it. I first found it through my older son who went to Tufts. It has antique engineering books that he adores. Hmm. I will see if he knows or remembers the name. It is on a sidestreet from Harvard Square.

Stephanie, thank you. I'll ask my daughter and son-in-law--they probably know it, and will be delighted to take me there the next time I visit.

Hats, you're in luck, because there are a lot of Peters mysteries. I like them a lot. As they go on, you get a developing picture of what is happening to the characters, more bits of Cadfael's past life, and a lot about life in 12th century England, along with a confusing mass of the politics of the time.

Hi Pat H,

I am glad there are more to go. I love Brother Cadfael. Ellis Peters is a good writer!

Indeed. I've read every Cadfael book I could find. I need to pull up a full list of them, to see if there are any I missed. They are set in a period of English history with which I am not too familiar, so I have learned from them as well.

Babi

Just finished "Rumpole and the Penge Bungalow Murders" by John Mortimer. I do like that Rumpole rascal. I also enjoyed the TV films when they were on several years ago. I don't remember the name of the actor who played Rumpole, but he did a great job. I am just starting "The Unquiet Dead" by Gay Longworth, She is a new author for me and is also an English mystery.

Oh! I do love her books, especial the Cadfael series. Did anyone see the Cadfall series on PBS a few years ago?

I saw some of the TV series. They were well done on the whole, but I think you would have trouble figuring out some of the plots if you hadn't read the books. Derek Jacobi was good as Cadfael. But they had a lot of unnecessary brutality in them, which I didn't like. Some of them are available for rental on Netflix.

I'm going to read Brother Cadfael books first. Didn't know about the series on tv. Thanks Scrawler.

Pat H, I don't care for a lot of brutality either. I end up running to the bathroom and waiting until the bad parts are over.

HATS: It helps to read the Cadfaels in order, if you easily can -- the later ones sometimes refer to the earlier. But if you can't get them in order, don't let that stop you. They give the number on the front cover -- "the thirteenth" etc.

When I still worked, I would read them on the subway commuting to work. I would ration the number of pages I read so that I always found out who did it coming home from work on Friday. Another reason for TGIF!

JoanK,

That's another good reason to love Friday. I am going to try my best and read the series in order.

Just finished a book by Holtzer -- the Michigan murder series. This one was called "Better than Sex".

I usually take whatever mystery I'm reading with me to read in the waiting room when I go to the doctor. But judging by the reaction of my family when they saw the title, I thought I'd better not.

I liked the book, but the premise made me laugh!! They go to a sports bar in San Francisco to watch a football game. The sports bar has a gourmet chef who is the rising star of the gourmet food world. The book is full of descriptions of the gourmet food he makes

Sports junkie that I am, I sometimes go to a sports bar to watch a game we can't get on our TV, and it is a real challenge finding something to order that is even remotely edible. Even if others are better, I can't imagine most patrons ordering anything but hamburgers and french fries! I know San Francisco is a different world. But that different?

such ddisscipline. I could never do that. . . rration anything. If I can reach it, within arms distance it's GONE. . . I'll even read the ending first sometimes. . . . Claire

JoanK, the San Francisco sports bar scene may have been slightly exaggerated,but its not that far off the mark. SFers take their food very seriously. The foods available at the stadium are extremely varied and near by are several upscale restaurants. I'm looking forward to reading that book; she is one of my favorite mystery authors.

Well, Derek Jacobi can convincingly play just about anyone he chooses. Nevertheless, when I saw the first PBS movie featuring him as Cadfael I was a little unsettled. He was not my idea of the brawny ex-soldier in the books.

Babi

It will be awhile before I get to "With No One As Witness", Jeryn. It has lots of holds on it! I hope George doesn't get too far away from Havers and Lynley. I don't like them as well when she does.

The Library Journal agrees with you in their following review of Nevada Barr's "Hard Truth":

A massive search ensues when teenage girls disappear from a church group camping trip in Colorado's Rocky Mountain National Park. Six weeks later, two of the girls emerge, half-naked and traumatized, raising the question, "Where's the third girl?" Two women, park ranger Anna Pigeon and paraplegic camper Heath Jarrod, plunge into the renewed case. The girls profess amnesia, but whisper enough to put Robert Proffit, their youth group leader, under suspicion. They trust Heath and beg her to accompany them home to a remote, sinister-feeling, religious outpost. Meanwhile, Anna spends a night pinned under rocks after being pushed over a cliff by Robert, whose backpack just happens to be leaking fresh blood. Once freed, Anna can't gauge her staff's credibility, and her backcountry hunt becomes fiercely intense when a suspect turns up dead. The women's parallel stories unfold, finally intersecting in a terrifying conclusion. Although Barr's Anna Pigeon series (High Country) have set the standard for outdoor mysteries, her latest is an ambitous, if heavy-handed, attempt to do more; it's as laden with psychological issues (pedophilia, brainwashing) as any urban mystery. Still, fans will want it.

In the TV/Movie Miss Marple debate, I am a devoted fan of Joan Hickson. According to imdb.com, she made 11 episodes. I never liked Margaret Rutherford, but they are sometimes on TV. Her movies were made in the 1960's, and the titles are a little strange: "Alphabet Murders", "Murder Ahoy", "Murder Most Foul", "Murder She Said" and "Murder at the Gallop". None of these titles are listed under Christie in the Library of Congress. I'm sorry I missed Helen Hayes. She was filming for TV in the mid 1980's. Nor did I like Angela Lansbury, although I liked her in other roles. She only made one film, in 1980. I am having trouble warming up to Geralding McEwan, but haven't watched one all the way through, so will give her another try. "What Mrs. McGillicuddy Saw" is the American title. The original title was "4:10 from Paddington".

I will definitely have to look up Perri O'Shaughnessy, GoldenStatePoppy. I, too, live in the Bay Area and love books set her and in Tahoe. Have your read the three by Todd Borg: "Tahoe Deadfall", "Tahoe Blowup", and "Tahoe Ice Grave"? They probably fall in the category of thriller but are actually pretty good. I love his dog.

Perkie, I am also having a problem with Geraldine McEwen as Miss Marple. To me, Joan Hickson will always be Miss Marple.

One of the Margaret Rutherford movies was actually What Mrs. Mcgillicuddy saw, but I don't remember what they called it. And in one of them you get to see Margaret Rutherford riding a horse--aformidable sight. She didn't make a good Miss Marple, though.

Finally found a Donna Andrews. WAs the first one.. Murder with Peacocks and loved it. Funny..outrageous...full of weird and wonderful characters. Will be on the hunt for the rest.

OH you're talking about the new Miss Marple series! My BBC America catalogue came while I was gone, and THERE they are on the front cover! And I looked at those women and something about "Miss Marple's" eyes, something....I kept thinking I have SEEN that woman before and BEHOLD! My goodness, can it BE, it's Geraldine McEwan!!! (LUCIA of Mapp and Lucia!) I can't imagine her in that role!

I must see it, how IS she, I can't find where you are talking about her performance?

For the record, Agatha Christie loathed Margaret Rutherford in the role and loved Joan Hickson so much she intended to write a part FOR her before she died, she and Hickson (whom I love but who IS hard to hear) corresponded and I saw an interview with Hickson at 89 saying she was not going to do any more Miss Marples because she didn't want to be "typecast." At 89. I love the woman. Of course she died some time ago.

(Did you spot her in "Clockwise?" I heard that voice first, she was brilliant, I don't think anybody recognized her.)

But VOICES, Geraldine McEWAN! Jiminy cricket.

The other woman, Pam Ferris, also stars in Rosemary and Thyme with Felicity Kendal, it's a new release on BBC and is also a mystery series with two women sleuths, it looks cute, one is a plant pathologist and the other a former policewoman, gardening mysteries, have any of you seen those?

Geraldine McEwan!!!

Today I spent half the day reading a book I had started called The Trade by Shirley Palmer. Never have I read such a book. It takes place in Malibu California and is the story of trafficking children from other countries to the U.S. It is bone chilling and partially true.

The United Staes is a major destination country into whic h individuals from more than 50 countries are routinely trafficked. Los Angeles is a mojor destination city. Over 4 million girls and women as young as 4 years are traded against their will every year into domestic, sweatshop and sexual salvery.

Just began my first mystery by Leonard S. Goldberg, "Deadly Care". He is a doctor and this mystery has a medical setting. As one reviewer said, "Medical suspense in the tradition of Patricia Cornwell". Goldberg is a clinical professor with the UCLA Medical Center and as another reviewer says "The sights, sounds, smells and routines of a great hospital become a character in the story". I am not quite half way through the book, but I am liking this author a lot. The heroine, Joanna Blalock is a forensic pathologist.

I picked up two new ones from the New Books display at the local Library...a Hamish MacBeth one...Death of a Bore and a gardening mystery Pretty Poison by new authors to me: Joyce and Jim Lavene.

They should be good light summer reading.

jane

Our library didn't even have it on order so got it from an Amazon used book dealer. When I'm finished, I'll donate it to the library so someone else can enjoy it

I'm about half way through and am really enjoying it. Emma kind of reminds me of Jessica Fletcher in the old TV series Murder She Wrote. In trying to help her friend's husband, she gets involved deeper and deeper in the mystery and puts herself in peril.

Mary

Our library has "A Stroke of Misfortune" on order. Anxious to read it. Am reading "Bitch Creek" by William G. Tapply--a new author for me. Story set in Maine. We spent two weeks in New England last fall and I just loved it. So far the story is interesting but am only in the first few chapters.

I JUST FINISHED [PSYCHOPATH by Keith Ablow. . excellent if you like psychological thrillers. It's a series others being

compulsion, projection, denial,

Dr. Frank Clevenger, forensic psychologist and somewhat reluctant crime solver is the contagonist. . . easy to like and very interesting since the author is also one. . . . Claire

Bitch Creek by William G. Tapply I haven't read it but have read and enjoyed his writing. Finished readingThe Snake Eater on February 15, 1994 It is A Brady Coyne Mystery. I know I have read other books he wrote but can't find them in my data base of books read.

I just made an order through Amazon for books recommended here as well as new books by old faithful authors. I order from their used books so I get five books for $22, which includes shipping. They will come from small bookstores all over the country. I then donate them to our apartment library. I immediately received an email from Amazon that acknowledging the order. Then, I received an email from each small bookstore that they had received it and would mail the book within 2 days.

The authors I ordered: Leonard Goldberg, Shirley Palmer, Mike Connelly, Donna Andrews, and Lawrence Block

Our library has 4 Leonard Goldberg books. As he is new to me, I've reserved them, and picked them up today. I'm looking forward to starting them.

Just finished "The Motive" by John Lescroart. It is a superb legal thriller.

I once asked my librarian how they made the distinction between "Mystery" and "Fiction". She said, if it has a dead body in it, it's classified as Mystery. Well, this can be classified as a Mystery, although it was in the Fiction section. If you've not read any of Lescroart's books, he writes wonderful legal thrillers, and the courtroom scenes are excellent. Usually the first half of the books details the "crime" and the last half devoted to Courtroom. Try him, you'll like him!

even spelling his name is a challange. yes I'd like to read him. thanks tom

Golden State did you get the Palmer book called The Trade???

Has anyone on board read and finshed "With No One As Witness" by Elizabeth George. I am really curious to see what you all thought of the ending which was such a surprise.

Judy, yes I ordered the book, "The Trade" by Shirley Palmer. After it was mentioned here, I wanted to read it.

jeriron, again your name fascinates me! I go through my real life called "Jery" and my husband's name is Ron! Yesss, I read that latest Elizabeth George and was quite astonished at the ending. What will happen to the Lynley series now? Will never be the same again, will it?

I will second tomereader's recommendation of John Lescroart's novels... the Dismas Hardy series are wonderfully entertaining. I've read them all... except that one! Glad to know about a new Lescroart.

I am reading the second of Erin Hart's novels about Ireland and archeologist, Nora Gavin. This one is called Lake of Sorrows... plenty of suspense and interesting characters.

JERY

I couldn't believe the ending and I can't understand what her reason for doing it that way. PBS's mystery series Inspecter Lynley is June 26th to July 17th. There are four shows and the last one is when Lynley and Helen are married and she is expecting. That show is called"If Wishes Were Horses" There is no book by that name.???

A few weeks ago someone posted here about this new novel by Dennis Lehane. I've tried a search and can't find the post. If you are the one who posted about it, please tell me where to find your post. I'd like to reread what you've said about this disturbing and very mysterious book. I stayed up last night until 12:45 to finish it and then couldn't sleep. I had to get up and read something light to get my mind off the book. Sue

It wasnt me that posted, but I read the Shutter Island last year. Wow.. What a book.. Leads you right down to the garden path and dumps you in the darndest ending. Lehane is quite an author.

Stephanie, even at the very end, I wasn't sure who was deceiving whom. It could be either way. Do you think Lehane wanted to keep the reader guessing? Sue

I watched a video of the first Lynley/Havers story the other night, and realized the original Helen was different from the later one. I wonder why the original actress didn't continue in the role. I have never liked the later Helen.

I just finished a 'cozy' by an author I haven't read before, ..Margaret Miles. It is set in colonial Massachusetts, in the small town of Bracebridge. It's heroine is a widow named Charlotte Willett. Her companion is sleuthing is her neighbor, Richard Longfellow, former Bostonian and friend of well-known historical figures whose names crop up during the story. It was entertaining.

babi

I will have to watch for Joan Hickson in "Clockwise", Ginny. She was a spring chicken of only 80 when she made the picture in 1986. Maybe my video store will have a copy.

I watched all of "Murder at the Vicarage" with Geraldine McEwan on PBS last night. Her facial expressions were overdone almost to the point of slapstick, even though they tried to be subtle. On the other hand, Joan Hickson is a hard act to follow. I really didn't like Angela Pleasence as Miss Hartnell. She seemed a little creepy to me. I had a terrible time trying to keep track of who was who, a problem I never had with the Joan Hickson films. My overall impression of the production is that it seemed like a spoof of Miss Marple films.

There are 72 holds on "With No One as Witness" by Elizabeth George, Jeriron1, but only 10 on the audio book. Guess which one I placed a hold on!

Publishers Weekly comments on Dennis Lehane's 'Shutter Island': "Lehane's new novel, his first since the highly praised and bestselling Mystic River, carries an ending so shocking yet so faithful to what has come before, that it will go down as one of the most aesthetically right resolutions ever written." It is definitely on my list, Spring Creek Sue. Thanks for mentioning it.

I guess I have not read many of Mary Higgins Clark mysteries, at least not close together, because I really enjoyed "Nighttime Is My Time." I thought the plot was interesting, and it kept me guessing who The Owl was until the end.

While I was on vacation, I read "An Instance of the Fingerpost" by Iain Pears. It is a long book, the same period reported by 4 different people who each had a quite different slant on the same events. And the views of medical people in the 1660's as to the purpose of blood was fascinating. It is well written and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I just finished the new N. Barr book, Hard Take. Very good. Although it was like two books in one almost.

jeriron, I sure don't remember an E. George book called "If Wishes Were Horses" ... must be something made for TV. If anyone here watches it, please tell us what it was about.

I believe that N. Barr book is "Hard Truth", FrancyLou. I found it a bit incredible, not as good as the one before which was "High Country". She is an author who can be very good or... not so very. But I always pick up her latest to check!

I'm glad to know about the latest LeHane... "Mystic River" was memorable; sounds like this one is too. Not too much gore, I hope?

We've just finished the new Nevada Barr book, too. John's comment was "She's getting too old to be doing this sort of stuff."

Not much gore at all, just a lot of suspense and suspicion. sue

Yes Jeryn, I just had a senior moment, lol. (Guess since it was "hard to take", lol). I liked her other books better than this one. I like the lady in the wheelchair... another senior moment. It was almost like another book though - a serial killer AND a child molester, part two a child molester AND father/leader.

I was at a book talk by Elizabeth George in May and she said that the BBC had made some Lynley/Havers mysteries for TV. They are based on her characters but not on her books. If I remember correctly, I think she thought they were better than the book adaptations because they were written for the time frame. When they adapt the books they have to leave out too much of story and character relationships. Her next book was over half done but she did not indicate how it would relate to the ending of this latest one.

Jeryn, Shutter Island is a very very peculiar book. You will keep guessing ( and wrongly) all through the book. It is nothing like any of his previous stuff. I still loved it and keep rethinking the ending. A very unusual ending to put it mildly. But now that I really think back, it was honest to the story.

Mary Z, I definitely agree with John... "she's getting too old for that stuff!" Stretches my credulity to the breaking point! "Hard to take" indeed, Francy!

Thanks, cubfan [as in Chicago Cubs?], for clearing up the confusion over the Havers/Lynley series on TV. She's another author who seems to write one good one then one not so good. I don't see how she can top that last one!???

Thanks, SCSue, Stephanie; I'll be looking for that new LeHane book. After I read the lastest Lescroart ... the library has already found a copy and are holding it for me.

you whose opinion I value. Nevada Barr's, "Hard Truth", was a disappointment. Seems to me that she has bought into the present day writer's idea that to sell books now you have to make it as edgy and as violent as possible, even to the point that it isn't quite believable. Not really her style. Hope she realizes that and gets back to what she does best in her next one because she is one of my favorite authors.

I totally agree, Phyll!

Has anyone else discovered Joanne Fluke and her Lake Eden MN mysteries? Hannah is the main character's name, and the books are named for things that she is baking......The Double Fudge Cupcake mystery. They are cozy - but they also have recipes included....and are recognizably accurate in MN smalltown life.(IMHO).

isak

I am reading "The Simple Truth" by David Baldacci. I am about one-half the way through and am hooked. He is a wonderful writer and the story is compelling. A black man jailed in Alabama for 25 years finds out he didn't do a killing he had been accused of. The coverup involves high ranking people who are afraid of the truth coming out. Excellent about the workings of the Supreme Court. Two attorney brothers try to find out the truth. One is killed and the other takes up the search. Now, I can hardly wait to get back to it. Bye

GSP, we love David Baldacci. Your mention prompted me to check our library's listing, and there are 3 that I don't think we've read. I've put them on hold and thank you for giving me the idea to look.

Yes, Isak...I love Joanne Fluke's Hannah Swenson. I've become as fond of Fluke's character as I am of Claire Malloy ---Joan Hess's book depot owner.

I also just finished a light gardening mystery by authors new to me:

Joyce and Jim Lavene: Pretty Poison .

I don't know if the Lavenes have written others, but I shall look.

jane

Yes, Yes, he is a great story teller. My dad faithfully reads him. I'v got "The Simple Truth" lying on my coffee table and my dad just finished his last book he wrote - forget the exact name - it has "Hour" in it! His next book is coming out in October!

Several years ago, I read a mystery about a previously unknown painting by Vermeer. The story started with the present owner, and went back in time, tracing previous owners, to Vermeer. Does this ring a bell with anybody, who might help me with the title, author, etc.?

Edit: About 20 minutes later: I started wandering around Google, and finally found what I was looking for. It's "Girl in Hyacinth Blue" by Susan Vreeland. Now I'm off to the library's web site.

Again: I checked IMDb and it was made into a TV movie called "Brush with Fate".

The internet is so incredibly helpful sometimes.

Mary, is Susan Vreeland also the author who wrote The Girl with the Pearl Earring? Sue

"The Girl with the Pearl Earring" was written by Tracy Chevalier.

We read and discussed "Girl in Hyacinth Blue."

"Girl in Hyacinth Blue" ~ Susan Vreeland

Thanks, Pat. I'm going to go to the Archives when I have time and read the posts. Sue

Thanks, Pat. I knew I'd read the book but couldn't remember when. I thought we had discussed the Girl with a Pearl Earring on SN. Just shows how good MY memory is.

I wrote elsewhere that I'd just seen the movie, the Girl with a Pearl Earring, and enjoyed it.

appeared on TV the other night. I loved it. . . Claire

Just finished Donna Leon's latest book "Blood from a Stone". I love her books about Commissario Brunetti. She never disappoints. I'm never sure what they are eating but it always sounds delicious. Still waiting for McCall Smith's latest book. I enjoy the books about Precious. I haven't been able to find his other series about the Scottish lady.

I just finished David Baldacci's "The Simple Truth". It is a page turner that was difficult to put down. Very exciting with great characters and a surprise ending. I hope to read more of his books.

I enjoyed David Baldacci's Last Man Standing.It was a great read. I have his The Simple Truth; Split Second; Hour Game; Saving Faith waiting to be read.

I've read at least one of those and really enjoyed it. . .I saved your list for future goodies. . . Claire

My library has "The Girl in Hyacinth Blue" by Susan Vreeland, Mary Z, and it is on my list. I like the plot idea. It reminds me a little of the movie "The Red Violin", which tracked the violin from it maker through its various owners of the years.

I read "Revenge of the Wrought-Iron Flamingos", which is the third in her Meg Langslow series. I didn't think it was as good as the first two, but it did become more interesting toward the end. I was tired of Meg's boyfriend's mother by the end of the first chapter. The Revolutionary War fair would have been fun if Mrs. Waterston hadn't been in charge of it. I guess it would be classed a cozy, and there was a certain light-heartedness about it.

I also tried a new mystery with a horsey background, this time dressage. Judy Van Brunt flees Long Island to North Carolina to escape a philandering husband and work in a dressage stable. The author, Judy Reene Singer knows horses well, having competed in dressage herself, and she is very familiar with Jack Russell Terriers. Not a great book, but it you like horses and Jack Russells, you can spend a pleasant evening with the book.

I have not posted in this discussion before, but have been lurking for a longtime. Have read a number of your recommendations and enjoyed them.

I do not recall seeing mention of Bruce Alexander who has written a number of mysteries set in London in the eighteenth century. Just finished the last in the series, 'Rules of Engagement', published early this year. They are all written in the first person, but are not, to my mind, too egotistic, as many others are that use this format.

Geoff, I haven't read any books by Bruce Alexander. Will add him to my list. I like a variety of mysteries. I'm currently reading Carolyn Hart's "Murder Walks the Plank" with Annie Darling. I used to enjoy this series, but I think I have read too many. I no longer find them interesting.

Bruce Alexander's series is a good one, about the early bow street runners. It's based on a real historical character, the brother of Henry Fielding who wrote Tom Jones: a blind man who started the runners.

Alexander and his wife, Susan Albert, write another series under the name of Robin Paige, set in Victorian England. The best is one focusing on the early automobiles, where Mr. Rolls and Mr. Royce meet and decide to go into business together.

Albert also has her own series. I read all three.

I love both Bruce Alexander and his wif eSusan Albert.. They both write such different types of series. I love the Alexander ones for the historical accuracy. EAch seems to feature a different part of life in that era. Very interesting indeed.

I tried to find Bruce Alexander's name in our library catalog. I didn't see it. I would like to read a series about the Bow Runners. Our library does own Robin Paige's books.

I just finished 'Gunpowder Green' by Laura Childs. Her website is really pretty. Her mysteries, cozies, are good too.

His name is Bill... but not sure if Alexander is right or wrong.

I am reading "The Trade" by Shirley Palmer, recommended by someone here. For me, it was a slow starter with a hero, Michael Lowell, who was just too good to be true. However the second half of the book is dynamite. It involved a Southern California wildfire, and human trafficing. I recommend it.

Bruce Alexander writes the series about Henry Fielding and the "Bow Runners" and an orphan he takes in and raises as a son.. Fascinating series on what life was like at the beginning of the era of policemen.

Thanks, Stephanie. I looked for "Bill" and still, did not have success.

I ordered "Blind Justice" by Bruce Alexander. I'm a bit excited about this series. Can't remember who mentioned it but I'm glad to learn about a new series, at least, new to me.

At last the light has penetrated! I remember now reading a couple of books about the blind judge and wishing I could find more. I must check the library again and see if some more Bruce Alexander's have turned up.

Babi

A weakness of the Bruce Alexander series is that it really is best to read the books in order: he introduces new characters in each book, and kind of assumes you know who they are in the later ones. Publishers don't make that easy: they rarely list the authors other works in chronological order. I don't have an Alexander book handy to check. Does anyone remember which is the first one?

When I want to read a new-to-me series in order, I check the library catalog (on-line) to see the copyright date - and use that for determining the order. I think amazon also gives the publish date that could be used. Maybe you could try that to check.

I don't like to read the books out of order either. For some reason, some website led me to think this is the first one. I bet this isn't the first one. Phooey!! I'll go on another search.

I suggest you Google the authors name. My library has some them in its collection. If I am remembering correctly there are 10 books in the series.

that are mysteries are less apt to be in series. . . although I guess the success of the first one leads to another without having to concoct new characters. . .Dean Koontz does pretty well with keeping his characters where they belong. . .

Gaj,

Amazon writes that 'Blind Justice' launches the series. So, by sheer luck I'm on the right path. I hate reading a series out of order too. You guys are such a help.

I am sure tha tBlind Justice is the first one.. It is where he finds the orphan boy..

Thanks, Stephanie. Now I can relax.

According to http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/ the Bruce Alexander series about the Bow Street Runners includes: Blind Justice (1994); Murder in Grub Street (1995); Watery Grave (1996); Person or Persons Unknown (1997); Jack, Knave, and Fool (1998); Death of a Colonial (1999) The Color of Death (2000); Smuggler's Moon (2001); An Experiment in Treason (2002); The Price of Murder (2003)

I think I remember Thomas Pitt, in the Anne Perry series, mentioning the Bow Street Runners.

"Dry Heat" by Jon Talton is set in Phoenix, and I always paused a moment when he talked of Phoenicians. Although I have visited the city, I didn't recognize it from his descriptions. I guess I visited different parts. The only thing that rang true was the traffic, with city streets acting in place of freeways. The book is on the edge of hard-boiled except that the main character is often weak-kneed with fear. Now I am waiting for the next one to see if he stays in Phoenix or moves to Portland, Oregon.

Perkie, thanks for the link and the order of the books.

The first book in the series was 'Blind Justice' and the last was the one I posted about, 'Rules of Engagement'. This will be the last one in the series as the author died before he could finish it. It was completed by his wife and a colleague.

Geoff.

I didn't know that he had died. That's too bad.

Would you all that are interested each think up a question you would like to ask Mary Alice Monroe in an interview we are having with her in July. If you were in the books at the beach you already know her. We need questions in mid July about anything you would like to ask her, not necessary to have read the book by then.

Happy Summer!

I’m happy to announce that my new novel, SWEETGRASS, will be released next week, June 28th!

SWEETGRASS is the story of the Blakely family, a historical clan near Charleston, South Carolina, dealing with the intense emotional feelings associated with home.

We all have some place that harbors our most cherished memories--that special house where we established our family rituals and traditions, such as Sunday Dinners, birthdays, graduations, summer vacations. Today, many factors threaten the family’s ability to hold on to that place: rising taxes, aging parents, children moving away, development. SWEETGRASS asks what happens to the family when it comes time to decide what to do with the family home? What is family?

SWEETGRASS is the story of Mama June, who must dig deep into her own history and heart to find the truth that will hold her family together. The art of weaving intricate baskets is a metaphor for a mother weaving together the disparate strands of her family. It is through a mother's fierce determination and the revelation of secrets that go back to the time of slavery that a family is saved.

Thank you for writing me and for all your kind words. I read every single letter and am encouraged and inspired. Thank you. Please check my website for my appearances and if I’m in your neighborhood, I’d love to meet you.

My very warmest wishes to you and your family!

Mary Alice

Author Elizabeth George will be online Monday, June 27, at 2 p.m. ET to answer questions about her latest Inspector Lynley mystery, With No One As Witness. Visit Washingtonpost.com Live Online.

Our Library recently had a book sale and I picked up 5 books in the Miss Zukas series by Jo Dereske. Miss Zukas is the stereotypical, prim, proper librarian who with her wild-side girlfriend and almost boyfriend police chief finds herself frequently solving puzzling mysteries. Quick reading and rather fun on these hot summer afternoons.I think I also mentioned that our library is not really up to date on new books so I've begun to read some of the authors that I missed when I was busy raising children and working. The first one I found was E.X (Elizabeth) Ferrars ,who died in 1995 but authored over 60 novels of mystery and suspense. Dubbed by Ellery Queen"s Mystery Magazine as the writer "closest of Christie in style, plotting and general milieu".So far I've read The March Hare Murders, Choice of Evils and Seeing is Believing. Our library has a good many of her books so will be going for a refill tomorrow. I'm presently reading another older book by Dorothy Eden, Waiting For Willa. Started it last night and am 1/2 way through it, cant wait to solve the puzzle of what happened to Willa. Happy Reading All

Barb

I have read several of the Miss Zukas. They were really neat.. Hard to find though. If you are looking at older mysteries.. you might try Charlotte McLeod. Most libraries have quite a few of her older stuff.

Speaking of above author - I had just finishied reading "In Search of the Proper Sinner", which was on "Mystery" last night where I live. I could only watch about 30 minutes of it - the writers for the TV did an awful job IMHO. I would be surprised it anyone watching could follow the story and of course they had changed the story quite a bit too. I imagine it would be very hard to adapt one of her mystery novels for TV. I'd be interested in hearing another viewpoint. (I know I should have stayed with it longer but didn't want to ruin a great novel)

JudytheKay

I just finished "Split Second" by David Baldacci. It was very good, and I am still mulling over things.

I have Split Second on a shelf waiting to be read. His Last Man Standing was excellent.

of Elizabeth George's live online Q & A session (held yesterday afternoon) in the Washington Post and someone asked her what she thought of the way that Helen is portrayed on the tv Mystery series. She said she just has to throw up her hands in "surrender". Not at all the way she intended Helen to be. She has no control at all over the tv scripts or the casting for the tv movies. The actors for the Havers and Lynley characters are nothing like she envisions them.

I love Elizabeth Georges novels mostly, but the tv adaptations are just awful. I tried twice and never made it through the entire program. With a few stirling exceptions my favorite mysteries do not translate well to the screen. An outstanding and rare example or how good they can get would be Mystic River. That was so faithful.. Shawshank Redemption was another incredibly good adaptation.

I caught the PBS version on TV the other night and thought it was good but confusing. Than I haven't read any of her books so I had nothing to compare it to.

The actress who played Helen in the first Havers-Lynley film played it quite differently from the subsequent Helen, Much livelier and much more likable. I don't know who was responsible for the change, but it was, IMO, a bad mistake.

Babi

Well if they stick to the story line of the last book Helen won't be around much longer anyway. I agree I didn't like the actress either. But I've enjoyed the PBS versions. I try to keep books and films as too separate things.

Reading an old Margaret Maron about her first series.. Sigrid.. Amazing how she has changed and deepened her characters. This is a very very superficial book and her latest ones set in North Carolina are really so different. I wont watch tv if it is a favorite author. They just seem to really change them so much.

My email just came from Mystery Partners, its Susan Wittig Albert & Bill Albert. She has a new book out "Dead Man's Bones" - wonder if she ran out of herb names, lol.

Here is some more info:
http://www.hotxsinc.org/Authors/Susan___Bill_Albert/susan___bill_albert.html

I thought someone said that Bill recently died. Is that true?

I don't know - just got the email - then looked up some info. I was really trying to see what the name of his mysteries were.

I believe the person posting that Susan Wittig Albert's husdand died listed his name as Bruce Alexander. Her husband's name is Bill Albert. I get their newsletters and I don't believe he has died. I read Dead Man's Bones and really enjoyed it.

I am reading another Lawrence Block mystery, "The Burglar in the Rye". As always, I enjoy his writing. However, I don't like his lead characher, Bernie Rhodenbarr, as well as Matthew Scudder. But, it is a good romp through an interesting world in NYC.

I didn't finish the book, "Murder with Puffins", by Donna Andrews. It seems a little too cutesy for me. Her characters don't seem realistic. Meg's boyfriend, Michael, is too good to be true, and I wonder if she ever had one. Perhaps I will finish it sometime, and end up with a different opinion.

I wondered about the Bruce Alexander and Susan Wittig Albert connection. Bruce Alexander is ( I believe) English and Susan lives in Texas as far as I know. Bruce Alexander died.. I like his series very much and am sorry to see it come to an end. Been amusing myself with going way back on my to read list and picking up some older stuff. I love to find all of a particular author and seeing how they change over the years. Someone recommended Linda Howard and I have read two of hers, Well actually read Cry No MOre and did not finish the other one. Cry No More has an interesting plot, but this lady is basically a romance writer and has way too much.. shall we say. anatomical musings to be good. Shame.. the plot itself is a doozy.. However will put her on the " I dont think so" list.

is that plot rules over character and I can't get interested enough in the characters to care what happens to them. . .Claire

Thanks for clearing that up Stephanie.

I just went and checked Bruce Alexander, had a list of the books he has written. I read Blind Justice - it was very very good!

From list:
Rules Of Engagement (2005)
This is the last Sir John Fielding, published posthumously.

If you want to see the list of his books:
http://www.stopyourekillingme.com/Bruce-Alexander.html

I was searching for more books by Donna Andrews, I love her series about artificail intelligence and found this (I have not ordered anything from them):

http://www.booksforabuck.com/index.html

I've read three of Alexander's books, and plan to read them all if possible. I think my library has 2 or 3 more. They are good reading. I'm sorry the series, and their author, have come to an end.

Babi

Nope, Susan Wittig Albert didn't run out of herbal names. Her new book's name is explained in the following very interesting information. It was something new for me to learn, too.

"Dead Man's Bones" is the folk name given to the herb Greater stitchwort (Stellaria holostea), a perennial plant found in damp, shady places throughout Europe. It grows to about three feet, with long, dagger-shaped leaves. The starry white blossoms appear in late spring, when thickets of the blooming plant brighten the shady woods. The herb's common name, "Greater Stitchwort," comes from its traditional use to ease pain (a "stitch") in the side. The plant seems to have been called "Dead Man's Bones" because the stems fracture easily, like old bones.

Stitchwort's North American cousin, Stellaria media, appears in yards everywhere, and has a great many traditional uses. It is better known by its common name, chickweed.

Our Library has 2 books in the Miss Zukas series by Jo Dereske, Gram62. I have a hold on "Miss Zukas in death's shadow" and am looking forward to reading it.

I like Donna Andrews series with Meg Lanslow well enough if I don't read them too close together. I just finished "Revenge of the Wrought Iron Flamingos". I do get weary of her boyfriend's overbearing mother but love her father.

While on vacation, I read "Pawn for a Queen" by Fiona Buckley. I like Ursula Blanchard and the setting in Queen Elizabeth's England. The descriptions are interesting and the characters well developed.

Dug out a Lindsey Daviies from my to read stack.. "Too many Virgins", not particularly new, but new to me. Falco is in rare form.. Nothing like adding young geese to his family situation.. I know that she writes accurate history as well as funny situations and this is a pip..

I so "A Traitor of Memory(?)[I think that was the title]last night on PBS. The more I watch Elizabeth George stories, the more I think I like them. Although I'm still not sure I like the actress who plays the constable. In your opinion are her books better than the way they portray them on the TV series?

what happened to the all inclusive discussion featuring besides mysteries, adventure, sci=fi, westerns etc I kinda miss it although I have found the sci-fi discussion. . .Claire

I also watched "A Traitor To Memory" last night. At first I was put off by Havers because she is so different from the mental image I had from the books, but now I really like her. I didn't really like Lynley's Heathcliff look in this one, though. Is marriage causing him to start ignoring his appearance? I have never read any of the books in conjunction with the film, so am not sure how closely the film follows the books. Occasionally I see a scene that I remember clearly from the book, but that is all.

I notice on the Mystery! website that "A Cry For Justice" Airs July 10, 2005 and "If Wishes Were Horses" Airs July 17, 2005.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/index.html

Elizabeth George writes quite complex books, so the Tv cuts out a lot. I love the books, but since I have a clear mental picture of Havers, dont want to see the tv version at all.

OOooh,a Falco I haven't read yet. Thanks for mentioning that one, Stephanie! I do like Falco and Helena.

I hadn't read any of Eliz. George's Lynley books, so I could take the characters fresh. I've always liked Havers.

Babi

The Virgins is a good Falco and Helena.. Poor Falco,, he was promoted to guardian of the Geese and sacred chickens. Still a pretty funny mental picture. Havers is truly one of the best characters of Elizabeth George, but she emphsizes over and over, how truly unattractive she is and how bad her taste is..but tv does not want to deal with that.

Of course, in the TV series Havers starts out looking rather unattractive, and considerably harried due to her situation at home with her mother. However, with her promotion and successes she gains confidence and begins to emerge into much more appealing woman. Now, I consider her quite attractive. (Much more so than Helen.)

Babi

Havers does not improve in the books. She has a kind and gentle heart however and that shines through. She also has a huge inferiority complex, that complicates her interactions with others.

If anyone reads Nancy Taylor Rosenberg novels, her new one "Sullivan's Justice, is one you can definitely skip. More gratuitous sex than mystery/detecting/legal thriller. Also, kind of haphazard in the telling, maybe better editing was called for. Just a novel to make money for the author.

TOMEREADER, there has been many a book that I classified as 'churned out another to make a fast buck!' My usual response is to stop reading that author.

Babi

Just read this in an e-mail newsletter from ReadersRoom.com
"We at ReadersRoom.com are deeply saddened to announce the passing last night of our very good friend, Evan Hunter, also known to millions of fans as Ed McBain.

Sorry to hear of the passing of Evan Hunter. I had read each and every one of his 87th Precinct novels as Ed McBain. He will be missed.

Oh me I loved Ed McBains fairy tale books with a hero down in Sarasota. How sad. He lived there as far s I know and truly was quite old.

Mr. Hunter is a loss. I did not know he had written any fairy tale books, Stephanie. Mostly I read his Ed McBain output. It's nice to know that there are still many of his books out there waiting for me.

Babi

I looked up Evan Hunter on our library's online catalog and was surprised to find that he wrote "Blackboard Jungle" and the screenplay for "The Birds". I also found the series about Matthew Hope, a Florida lawyer, under Ed McBain. They have titles taken from fairy tales, including "Gladly the Cross-eyed Bear".

I finally caught up with Nevada Barr's newest, "Hard Truth", set in Rocky Mountain National Park. After reading some mediocre authors, it was refreshing to read a book by a skilled writer. The Library Journal said, "Although Barr's Anna Pigeon series (High Country) have set the standard for outdoor mysteries, her latest is an ambitous, if heavy-handed, attempt to do more; it's as laden with psychological issues (pedophilia, brainwashing) as any urban mystery." This is true, except that heavy-handed is a bit over the top, but I was totally engrossed with the characters and completely surprised when the bad guy was revealed.

I also enjoyed "Trojan Gold" in Elizabeth Peter's Vicky Bliss series. Vicky Bliss is an art historian, and in this one is working at a museum in Munich. She and several others from other museums are looking for golden jewelry from Schliemann's archeological dig at Troy. It disappeared during the Russian evasion in WWII and may have surfaced. It it told in such a breezy manner, with so many witty comments, that it was just plain fun to read, even when she is rolling around in a snowbank to avoid being killed.

"The Forest of Harm" by Sallie Bissell. Good psycological mystery. Scary, believe me, but well written. Its the author's first book and there is another out, but I can't remember the title. I couldn't put the book down so read until 3:30am this morning to finish it. Quite good! She uses a female prosecuting attorney, Mary Crow, in both books. Can't wait to get the newest one.

Elizabeth Peters sounds good, Perkie. I'll look her up.

Babi

Ann, I added her to my list to read!

Last month we had a short Book Review in the Extra.

We would like to have another for this July 15th Extra.
A short 1 or 2 paragraphs,
about a book you would recommend (or even not recommend),
fiction, non-fiction, mystery, biography, sci-fi, romance, or -----
Reviews may be sent to BookBytes@seniornet.org by late July 14th or very early July 15th

Go for it, mystery lovers! Send Patwest a review of your latest good read.

Where is the individual[s] who was wondering about the ending of Dennis LeHane's Shutter Island? I'd love to hear your take on it. My husband and I both read the book, in jig time I might add, but reacted rather differently to the ending. Just what WAS happening in that last paragraph???!

Jeryn, I think I was the one wondering about the ending. I think it might be taken either way. It was a very disturbing ending. I didn't want the hero to have such a problem. Perhaps he didn't. I think only Dennis Lehane knows for sure. Sue

Welll, my husband wasn't quite sure but it seemed cut and dried to me, SCSue. I think the "hero" had lost it again with no more reprieves. And it WAS disturbing...

Wasn't that book quite some commentary on the evolution of the treatment for mental illness in the 20th century?!!! I love seemingly "light" reading with a deeper agenda!

Just finished another of those period mysteries that I like. 'The Prince of Darkness' by Sharon Kay Penman. As always, a well written story and she is very knowledgeable of her period.

Geoff.

I haven't posted here in eons and have just caught up reading your posts. Now I have a comment and a question.

When I tried to find Elizabeth George's latest book in the library there were many holds on it, but I did find it in the large print section. Same thing with Nevada Barr. I'm going in to get the large print version today.

A while back I read two books that took place in the southwest. They featured a female police officer, who lived with her mother and daughter. They were written by a man and wife but I can't remember their names. I guess I should keep a record. Does anyone know who I am talking about?

Mary

Just finished Simon Said by Sarah R, Shaber, good mystery with old bones,and a naive history professor in a southern college town. I'm now back to John Dunning and the Bookman Series. The Bookmans Promise and The Sign of The Book. These are a little deeper than cozies so will take longer to read, enjoyable though, good writing.

Barb

I've just put the new John Dunning book on reserve at the library. Plus I just picked up the new Harry Potter at Wal-Mart. So that should keep us busy for a while.

YES I know who you mean but the name has something like Jan in it and escapes me too. I read three of them. . very interesting. . . . claire

EME and WINSUM:

Are you thinking of "Exit Wounds" by J A Jance? I just read that and it sounds about right - the mother of the lady sherriff is a problematical type, and Joanna Brady is the sherrif who has a young daughter and a husband who is an author and stays home with the family. Do I have it right - is that who you are thinking of? I think it's a great series, and I can't wait until the next one appears.

isak

I've read all the Joanna Brady books and really liked them, but she isn't the one I'm thinking of. My gal is a Native American.

Mary

"In The Forest of Harm" by Sallie Bissell is in my public library, and I will see if I can get it today. Thanks, Ann, I love psychological mysteries, which is why I like the later Ruth Rendell mysteries.

Now I am intrigued about the ending of Dennis LeHane's Shutter Island, Jeryn, and will read it as soon as I can to add my two cents worth!

Your mention of 'The Prince of Darkness' by Sharon Kay Penman made me a bit sad, Geoff, because a dear friend, who loved Penman's books, died recently. I keep running into things she will not be able to experience, all because she couldn't quit smoking. I also like Penman, and will read it for itself and in memory of a wonderful woman.

Old bones, a naive history professor and a southern college town! What's not to like in "Simon Said" by Sarah R, Shaber, Thanks, Gram62

"A while back I read two books that took place in the southwest. They featured a female police officer, who lived with her mother and daughter. They were written by a man and wife ..." Could you be thinking of the Ella Clah series by Aimee & David Thurlo, EME? Ella is Navajo and lives with her mother Rose and daughter Dawn.

"Caught Dead in Philadelphia" by Gillian Roberts features Amanda Pepper, a schoolteacher, caught up in a murder case. It is full of quips that made me chuckle and was quick and enjoyable reading.

That's it, Perkie. Thank you, now I can check at the library and see if there are any in the series that I haven't read.

Mary

Gillian Roberts' Amanda Pepper series is one of my favorites. They are funny, but also deal with real problems. Both author and detective were high school English teachers, and there is always a parallel between the classic they are reading in class and the real problems (usually of adolescents) that she deals with. My one quarrel with her is that when one of her teenagers have a problem, it always turns out to be the parent's fault!

I wonder if Gillian Roberts is a parent. I'd think it would modify her views on blaming everything on the parents, Joan. We all make mistakes, and the kids seem to survive in most cases.

Babi

The new Lawrence Block mystery, while very suspenseful, is going to be way too gory/violent for most of you readers, so I won't give it a recommendation. The title is "All The Flowers are Dying".

Just read Reunion by Sharon Sala who also write's as Dianh McCall. It was very goos a page turner.

Are you all getting your questions together for Mary Alice Monroe????????

I've picked up a new Alexander McCall Smith, but it doesn't seem to be a mystery. It's entitled "At The Villa of Reduced Circumstances", and appears to be a tongue-in-cheek poke at academicians. However, I've just started reading it. I'll let you know more about it later.

I was intrigued to learn that Alexander McCall Smith is a professor of medical law. Which of course means he would know about academia, wouldn't he? :>)

Babi

After just finishing my first Alexander McCall Smith book, "The No.1 Ladies Detective Agency" this week, I'm sure the one you are reading will be good. Not only does one get to learn more of Africa and her many countries from this author but its done so gently. I can't wait to get another of this first of his series.

My library lists "At The Villa of Reduced Circumstances" in its fiction section, not in the mystery section, Babi. There seems to be an earlier book featuring the same German professor. It is titled "The Finer Points of Sausage Dogs."

"The Country of Birches" by Judith Kalman is the story of a Jewish family who emigrated to Canada after the Holocaust which took the lives of most of their family. It is told by the younger daughter and describes the struggle of the parents to hang on to their roots and remember those they lost and the struggle of the two daughters to assimilate without turning their backs on the values of their parents. The narrator is a saucy, out-spoken child and so the book is very readable without denigrating the struggle of the parents.

No, Perkie, as it turns out the "Villa of Reduced Circumstances" is not a mystery. It is amusing, tho', as the characters are almost academic caricatures. Our hero, for instance, considers it quite unfair that Stephen Hawkings book is so popular, while his own work "Irregular Portuguese Verbs" fails to receive the attention he feels it deserves!

One thing that so far remains a mystery is when this 'villa of reduced circumstances' is going to appear.

Babi

I stayed up until 1:30 am reading a new author to me..Diana Diamond. This one was The Stepmother. I'd seen it at Borders, but was fortunate by little Library here already had it on the shelf.

jane

"Portuguese Irregular Verbs" is the third book in Alexander McCall Smith's trilogy about the German professor. I missed it until you mentioned it, BaBi. I took it at face value!

For those of you who like psychological mysteries. "The Shape of Snakes" by Minette Walters certainly fits the bill. The story has many twists and turns, and seems to point to one person as the killer, only to veer toward another person. It certainly kept me guessing until the end, and then there was a lingering doubt that the main character had it right this last time. Cat lovers and those with sensitive stomachs might want to give it a pass. Torture of cats is an important clue, and the description quite graphic. Another thing I didn't realize until the end. The main character is also the narrator and her first name is never given, just her initial M.

Roger the Chapman is back in "The Midsummer Rose" by Kate Sedley. It is the 13th in the series, which is set in England in the 1400's. Roger was a novice in a Benedictine Monastery but never took his final vows, preferring the freedom of a traveling peddler. In each of the books there is a lot of description of the places Roger visits and the people he meets as well as the politics and history of the period. I like Roger a lot, even if he often acts like an overgrown boy, and look forward to each new book when it comes out.

Much as I admire Minette Walters, I think I will pass on this one. I am a cat lover, and I don't like the gore to get too graphic in any case. Thanks for the warning, PERKIE.

Babi

J. A. Jance has a new J.P.Beaumont story, Long Time Gone, being released tomorrow. We do enjoy her books.

Oh yesss, thank you, Perkie. I certainly wouldn't want to read anything about mistreating a cat... ugh.

At the recommendation I read here, I picked up In The Forest of Harm the other day at the library. Did not take long to read through that one and I refused to read it at bedtime! You all who have read it know why! I'd never have gotten any sleep! That's a real thriller though I did read a couple of the chapters pret-ty darn fast, not wanting to dwell on the details, you might say. Ugh again!

Did someone say she has another book out about Mary Crow?

I'm happy to report that I treated myself to the purchase of the latest Harry Potter doorstop as a birthday gift earlier in the month. Now, I am about ready to actually start reading it. Has anyone here read it yet? Do they count as mysteries??? They can certainly be thrilling enough...

I read the new Harry Potter book - it was quit good.

Hi Mystery Lovers,

I didn't know about this link and discovered it tonight.

I read most of the authors you have been discussing and my favorites are Elizabeth George and PD James. However Mcall Smith is fun and original.

I'd like to suggest a new mystery that I've just read about a 72 year old Coroner in Laos.It's called "The Coroners Lunch" and it's by Colin Cotterill. His first book but I hope not his last. His hero is so accessible and charming that you want to follow him without putting the book down. The author introduces us to a foreign culture as well as Mcall Smith did with Botswana.

I'll keep checking in.

Judy

Ann,

I am glad you enjoyed the first book in Alexander McCall Smith's series. I have just picked up the fourth in the series from the library. I have grown very fond of Precious. She makes a very wise detective. I also enjoy the setting, Africa.

I have just finished "Louisa and the Missing Heiress" by Anna Maclean. It is the first book in a series. Louisa May Alcott is the starring sleuth. The author includes many facts about the author's life throughout the book.

Just finished McCall Smith's "The Sunday Philosophy Club". The first in his series about the woman in Edinburgh. It is very different than the series about Precious and not as interesting but I did enjoy it. I'd like to read another as the main characters will be more developed, I'm sure. The other series mentioned by McCall Smith also sounds interesting but we don't have it in our library. I'm just beginning "Bethlehem Road Murder" by Batya Gur. She is a new author for me. The book is interesing from the first page--very good writing.

Got back last evening from a relaxing visit with friends who own a cabin in Canada (Manitoulin Island). It was the hottest week I remember spending in Canada. As my sense of balance hasn't been the best lately, I didn't wade out that far into the waves. It was too hard to see where to place my feet in the wavy water. So I found a shaded spot and read.

I inhaled Eleven On Top by Janet Evanovich. It was a fun, laugh out loud book. Beachcombers by Karen Robards is my current book.

Ginny, isn't Manitoulin Island a neat place? We spent a couple of days there a few years ago, and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I have just returned from a week in Maui and spent a lot of time on beach reading. Between trips to wonderful and beautiful sites, I read a great deal and finished most of three books...all of which I can recommend.

"Killer Smile" by Lisa Scottoline. The book is very Italian with a Philadelphia setting. Mary DiNunzio is the lawyer heroine. This book has a great deal of the history of the Italian internment during WWII which I was not aware of. She is investigating for the estate of a man interned there who committed suicide. Her friends feel she is becoming obsessive and set her up on a series of disastrous blind dates. Very good read!

"2nd Chance" by James Patterson. Homicide inspector Lindsay Boxer leads the Women's Murder Club to solve seemingly unrelated crimes.

"City of Bones" by Michael Connelly. Detective Harry Bosch becomes engrossed in bones found by a dog. As a result, he is involved in solving a tragic 20-year-old murder case.

Hi, JUDY. Welcome to our cosy little corner of mystery and mayhem. And thanks for mentioning the new author and the 72-yr-old Laotian coroner. Sounds like a fun theme, as mysteries go.

Babi

The 72 year old Laotian coroner sounds neat. have to try and get it.

Just finished inhaling the new Harry Potter. Interesting -- and frustrating, since we won't find out how it goes on for a year. Friends have been calling to find out if I've finished it -- they are dying to discus it.

I've read several by Batya Gur with great interest, since I used to live in Israel. They are good, but rather dark and heavy.

I also liked "Killer Smile". I'm a big Scotteline fan, and have read all her books. This may be one of her best.

Can't wait to read the new Evanovich. Meanwhile, she has an imitator -- not as good but worth a quick read. The author is Susan Strohmeyer and her detective is (believe it or not) Bubbles Yablonski, a hairdresser and would-be reporter in the steel town of reading, Pa. All the books have Bubbles in the title.

JoanK,

I agree. Bubbles is not as funny as Stephanie Plum. I like the setting which is Pa. I am reading the third or fourth book in the series. It is a no thinking read. Just a book you can read for fun. I think Evanovich and Strohmeyer are friends. Evanovich gave Strohmeyer help with writing the Bubbles series.

Hi all

Glad you "liked?" IN THE FOREST OF HARM, Jeryn. Yes,it is a scary book but well written.

And, CITY OF BONES, Hats, I enjoyed. I like Michael Connelly's books.

There's a new Agatha Raisin out! YAY! A new Agatha Raisin, called The Perfect Paragon, a man with a saint like wife, whom he suspects of cheating, but she's such a perfect paragon! It looks super!!! I always regard finding a new MC Beaton as a gift and today has been very bright, indeed. Hope it's as good as it looks.

I picked up Anne Perry's "A Christmas Visitor" from the new book shelf. It was received at the library last November, but it was the first time I had spotted it. Although it takes place at Christmas, it is only because all of the family were going to be together for the first time in years. It is definitely a mystery, by one of my favorite authors, and I was happy to have a well constructed book to read after struggling through the depressing "Crimes Against Nature" by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

Was skimming the last few months of your postings and was thinking you all MUST have read Janet Evanovich, but no one was mentioning her until the last page.

I found her about 4 yrs ago and have read straight thru all 11 of her books. Laughter is so good for us and i lol thru most of her books. Of course, being from southern New Jersey, near Trenton, makes them fun for me too. I hate having to wait each year for the next one. I think I'll go back and start at One For the MOney again. Don't like the books she's written w/ another author.

I also like Susan Albert and there is another author who "does food", Diane Davidson, her lead character is a caterer in a relationship w/ an ex-policeman. Easy, very entertaining.

Winsum - i like J.D. Robb, but i'm surprised that she doesn't have more "futuristic" technology, altho I'm not a sci- fi fan, it seems it would be appropriate for the time period.

Scrawler - are the Rita Mae Brown mysteries written under her name? I have read some of her other books and like those.

Finally, a sentimental favorite, altho they are all very similar, is the Elliot Roosevelt mysteries where Eleanor is the detective. I just love Eleanor and enjoy wondering if the "real" people who are in the book were really like the way he portrays them.

Susan Wittig Albert is doing a new series and it is different from her China Bayles series. It is still classed as Mystery and has recipes in it but it centers around Beatrix Potter and Potter's home in northern England. She has written two books in the series, so far: "The Tale of Hill Top Farm" and "The Tale of Holly How". Click on this link to read more about the new series: Susan Wittig Albert

I'm reading the second book (I have a request in at the library for the first book--still waiting!) and while it took me a little bit to get into it I am beginning to enjoy it. Be prepared to accept the fantasy of animals talking and acting like humans but if you ever read Beatrix Potter's delightful little books you will probably like Albert's new "tales". And for those who have ever traveled to that part of England I am pretty sure you will like these books.

I am a great Evanovich fan. However, I read one book she wrote with someone else, which was a big disapointment. I haven't read 10 and 11 in her series yet, but would like to. She is quite witty and I laugh out loud when I am reading her books.

Phyll, I read the first in the Beatrix Potter series "The Tale of Hill Top Farm" and enjoyed it. So far our local library doesn't have the second in the series, but I am looking forward to reading it. I like the fact that the stories are as true as it is possible to do so regarding historical people and events.

When I read Albert's website about the Potter series she said that she had read all of the Beatrix Potter books until "the words were coming off of the page" so she is really a Potter fan. She seems to have done so much research and is keeping really true to the events in Potter's life and even to the language and customs of the English Lake District. I'm enjoying this book very much and I hope that I can get the first book soon.

Janet Evanovich must be especially popular down here. (South Texas) Our library recently had all the Evanovich books set out on a cabinet top up front, ready for the summer reading crowd. To save time, no doubt.

Babi

Babi, where in South Texas are you? My aunt lives in a retirement complex in Weslaco now, after living for 50 years in Edinburg. My cousin still lives in Edinburg.

Janet Evanovich is one of my favorite mystery authors. Read 1 through 11.

Not that far South, Mary Z. I live in a small town just SE of Houston. I have relatives living in the Elsa/Edcouch area though, which is very close to Edinburg. Ask your cousin if they know of the Conn/Christian families.

Babi

I'll ask, Babi. My family lived for a while in Park Place during WW II, then moved to Bellaire right after the war. John and I went to St. Jacinto HS and Lamar HS respectively, and then met at Rice. Neither of us graduated from there, John finished at UofH after we married. Then we moved to Chattanooga.

My aunt's/cousin's name is Quin.

finished Karen Robard's Beachcomber. Wow action to the final page.

I just finished Fiona Buckleys's "To Shield the Queen." I don't remember if I hear about her from your site, or from an historical fiction site. I enjoyed it - liked the history of it - Elizabeth I's court, and I was familiar w/ the true story of Dudley's wife dying mysteriously, so it was fun to read about it in fiction.

I've been collecting all your references in a file, printed them out stuck em in my purse for a trip to the library but FIRST. . . . must finish DREAMING THE EAGLE by MANDA SCOTT a historical novel based on Scotland in AD60 when the Romans were there. over seven hundred pages, not a mystery but based upon history and women in power. . . the Scotish warrior queen.. Amanda Scott is know for her crime writing as well and I want to look into that. Any of you read any of that genre by her? . . . claire

I keep the suggestions made here for books, on a spreadsheet and add to it as I learn about more authors. I also note what I thought of the book and the author.

I used it this week when I ordered used books from Amazon.com. I ordered books by Block, Haines and Robards. One book was only 30 cents with the most expensive $2. When I am through with them, I take them to our apartment library or the local Senior Center library.

A spreadsheet would be more convenient than my little book. When I need it here, it's in there; when I need it at the library, it's here! It's been a while since I did a spreadsheet, but I think I'll fiddle around with one and see what I come up with.

Babi

GoldenStatePoppy and Babi I have different data bases for my books. The first and most important one is my "Books Read". Another is "Books Owned".

If you have Microsoft Works, it has a database for books. That is what I use.

Just finished James Patterson's book 1st To Die. I really enjoyed it but I think I read it before. I am going to go now and check and see if I really did or dreamed it. Might have helped if I had looked before I read it but that would required effort I didn't have. haha

I also use Works for my spreadsheet. Same thing could be accomplished with a database. For those who don't have Works, you can get it for $5 at http://www.fivedollarsoftware.com

I didn't know that, GAJ! I do have Microsoft Works. Thanks; I'll go find it.

Babi

so don't have spreadsheet use although I cold I guess if I wantd it. I just copy off what you folks ay about a book and keep it in SIMPLETEXT file so can get back to your reviews as well as recommendations. It would be good to have a list of books read too though since I forget. anyone like Lincoln Childs horror books? . . . . claire

I my husband has read Lincoln Childs when he writes with Douglas Preston. Ray usually reads thrillers. (spy, international intrigues)

I am reading "Snap Shot" by Meg Chittenden. She writes about photographer Diana Gordon and chiropractor Connor Callahan. At about 2/3 through, I can recommend it. The writing is excellent and the book definitely keeps your attention. The setting is Port Findley, Washington, an artist colony and tourist attraction.

Love Childs and Preston books. Have read 'em all.

Mabel, the Rita Mae Brown mysteries are written under the names of Rita Mae Brown and Sneaky Pie Brown (her cat). The two main sleuths in her series are Tee Tucker, a Welsh Corgi, and Mrs. Murphy, a cat. They are easy reading and enjoyable, especially if you like Corgis as much as I do! The titles are: 1990/Wish you were here; 1992/Rest in pieces; 1994/Murder at Monticello; 1995/Pay dirt; 1995/Murder, she meowed; 1998/Murder on the prowl; 1999/Cat on the scent; 2000/Pawing through the past; 2001/Claws and effect; 2002/Catch As Cat Can; 2003/Tail of the tip-off; 2004/Whisker of evil; 2005/Cat’s eyewitness.

“To Shield a Queen” is the first one of Fiona Buckley’s mystery series on Queen Elizabeth I. There are at least 5 more for you to look forward to, Mabel. They are: 1998/The doublet affair; 1999/Queen's ransom; 2000/To ruin a queen; 2002/Queen of ambition; 2002/Pawn for a queen; 2004/Siren Queen

I would also recommend the Queen Elizabeth I mystery series by Karen Harper. They are more about a former lady-in-waiting, Ursula Blanchard, but Ursula looks into mysteries for Elizabeth. They are: 1999/Poyson garden; 2000/Tidal poole; 2001/Twylight tower; 2002/Queene’s cure; 2003 Thorne Maze; 2005/Fyre Mirror.

I, too, liked “The Tale of Hill Top Farm” and am delighted to hear that there is a second one to read. I also like Susan Wittig Albert’s series about China Bayles.

I think Sue Grafton is back at the top of her form with “R is for Richochet”, after a couple of rather disappointing books. I even resented having to stop reading long enough to make dinner and feed the dog!

thank you for the great selections. I've read some of the rita mae brown sneaky pie brown series and they're cute but a little goes the long way. I made a page especially for these in my mystery folder and look forward to a trip to the library to see what they have of them. thanks again. claire

I'm still grateful to whomever mentioned Sallie Bissell. I've just brought home her newest book from the library today but after The Forest of Harm, I plan to read it in daylight!

Also learned from the local paper that Alafair Burke has a new mystery out, I think it's called Close Case or maybe Close Call? I reserved it and still don't remember; jeesh!

I have been at loose ends after finishing the latest Harry Potter. It left me feeling bereft and depressed, truly. What a series. Are these really for children???

Jeryn, my children's literature professor said that children are more critical readers than most adults and so people who write children's literature must write their very best to keep the attention of their readers. Harry Potter falls into this category, and that is why so many adults read the series, also. I still think young readers must do workouts to be strong enough to hold the books while reading. I haven't read the newest one in the series yet. How does it compare to the earlier ones?

By the way, the new Alafair Burke is "Close Case".

I am just getting started on the Alan Gregory series by Stephen White. I have read the first two, "Privileged Information" and "Private Practices". They seem to start slowly to me, but I like having a psychotherapist as the main character and so I keep reading until the pace picks up and then can hardly put it down. I woke at 3 am and started reading and didn't look up until I finished at 9 am, so that says it all. I have only driven through Boulder, Colorado, but the descriptions seem sort of familiar anyway. It makes me glad all over again that I don't live where it snows!

Just finished J A Jance's newest book in her J.P. Beaumont series, "Long Time Gone". I really enjoyed it. I like her Joanna Brady series, but since I lived in Seattle, I am partial to this series.

Her publisher has also just released the first three mysteries in the Beaumont series, "Until Proven Guilty", Injustice for All" and "Trial by Jury" on one book titled "Sentenced to Die". Even though I have read these three, it's been awhile so I got this book from the library and have just started it.

Perkie mentioned Sue Grafton. I have read all her alphabet series and have enjoyed them all. Her next one "S is for Silence" is due out 12/6/05. Am looking forward to it.

Mary

I just brought home what I thought was a new Lindsey Davis 'Falco' book, The Myth of Jupiter. Now I note the publication date was 2002. I'm fairly sure he has written another book or two since then. I do hope this isn't one I've already read; I didn't recognize it from reading the jacket blurb. I do enjoy Falco.

Babi

Lindsey Davies is a woman.. I can never get caught up with them. I love them, but seem to read them out of order. I loved Alafairs first book and will be on the lookout for the next two. Not as good as her Dad, but still good. Back from all those weeks away. Found two really neat used book stores. One in Montgomery , Alabama, that is the largest used book store I have ever seen. Not particularly tidy and sort of overwhelming, but my husband and I went nuts.. We reined in when we thought of the space in the coach for books, but still bought a bunch.Such a neat store.

Perkie, what your children's literature professor said makes sense. The Potter books certainly are well-written and the latest one is no different in that regard, just sad because of plot twists. I lift weights and have no trouble holding up a book like that; surely our youth of the right age to read Potter have that much physical strength? Let's hope!

Stephanie, I thought Alafair's second book even better than her first and am looking forward to this next one.

Falco was not my cuppa... tried just one and could not finish it. I just read an old Nicholas Blake whodunit, written circa 1935, and found it tedious and contrived. But right in step with the earlier mystery-writing style, as I recall others from the past. I doubt I'd have much patience with the great Christie any more, yet I devoured all her many books with relish when I was younger.

I like to think my taste in mystery novels has grown more sophisticated but maybe I'm just fussy in my old age?

I'm fussy to but probably not too different. I always found the christie approach to slow for me. I like childs and Prestons thriller kind of thing much betteer. . . .claire

I am reading a Rita Mae Brown/Cat series book,but it's upstairs, so i can't tell you what the name of it is. LOL I hardly look at titles until I'm ready to write it in my "books read/books to read" notebook. I use the same notebook for both lists so that when I'm at the library I can look to see if i've already read a book that looks interesting!! After the first 500......who can remember!

Has anyone read the Lisa Scottoline's books? The lead character is a lawyer in PHiladelphia who works in an all woman firm. They're very good and I like them because I'm close to Philly and know the neighborhoods she mentions, just like with Evanovich and Trenton, NJ.

I love this SeniorNet website, what interesting people with lots of ideas and opinions. I only found it in June and I think I'm addicted! So nice to talk with people about books and history and religion,etc. There aren't many places in the "real" world where we have conversations about those subjects.........jean

I recently read two of Scottoline's books, "Dead Ringer" and "Killer Smile". She wrote a great deal about the interment of Italians during WWII in one of them. She writes exciting books with surprise endings. I have never been to Philadelphia, so I enjoy the picture she paints of it.

Some of the Scottoline is fascinating, but others I cannot seem to finish. Falco makes me laugh and Helena is what we all need to keep us on the straight and narrow.. I just finished the last Bruce Alexander book and alas he died, so no more and I did love the series. I love the Stephanie Plum, but the ones written with another woman are just flatout boring.. Was Stephanie sort of a mistake..I noted that Evanovich wrote series romance first and the stuff with a partner is simply series romance fancied up a bit. Darn.

This book now this is incredible and I would reccomend for anyone who likes true mystery's. I was watching a local talk show and they had a local author there telling about a true story he wrote. He start's telling this story about a woman in Seattle in the early 1900"s that started up a Wellness clinic in the mountains above Port Orchard Wa. I cannot believe it is true. " A fascinating turn-of-the -century" story of medical malpractice and murder if you liked the Alienist you'll find Starvation Heights all the more gripping because this story is true" Michael Connelly. I can't tell you how gripping this story is I hope some of you can get it. Starvation Heights by Gregg Olsen. I begining to sound like I have stock in the book I will stop.

The other 2 that came with it for the "free" postage are looking good.

yes and yes and yes and I think I may have missed one but can't remember which ones I've read. She features a different lawyer of the firm in each one. I think I read Killer smile with Mary featured last. I got a little bored with all the Italian family stuff although it was touching. Now to make a notebook like yours Mabel because I never remember titles only authors if I"m lucky.

Claire

I'm a big fan of Scottoline too. Some are better than others, but I've read them all. Being half Italian, I love the Italian family stuff. I never knew my father's family, but it seems like my heritage anyway.

MABEL: WELCOME, WELCOME. I remember that feeling of excitement when I first discovered Seniornet. Now I'm completely addicted. Do explore. No matter what you're interested in or experiencing, you'll find people to share it with.

and I don't believe in blessings. it's just so nice to find people who think. . .ckaire . . new spelling looks similar but just try to say it . lol.

devils corner a new scottoline plus first chapters of all seven books

Hey, I listened to Scottoline on audio. She sounds just like her books.

I wish the interviewer had asked her if she has a shoe fetish!! That's the only thing I don't like about her -- she always mentions over and over what brand of shoes her characters are wearing. I begin to wonder if she's being paid by the manufacturer.

I watched an HBO series called Sex and the City and the main character played by Sarah Jessica Parker had a shoe fetish, thousands of dollars spent on shoes which did make her legs look great all of them having impossibly high heels. It may currently be the thing to have a fetish in (preposition). . . claire

I was at a feminist conference in the 70's. If you remember the time, feminists were having many discussions about clothes and fashion and what we should or should not be wearing. Some sensibility was being proposed like not wearing girdles, but those awful three inch clogs were popular in "fashion." One of the women in the group suggested that "women haters" were designing the shoes because not only were they dangerous to walk in - many turned ankles - but there was no way you could run in them if you were being attacked. Imagine what such a discussion would be saying today? 5-inch spikes, slip-ons - I guess they call them slides today - my mother would have said they were "slut" shoes, only she'd NEVER use that term. My dgt is in her 30's and I tease her friends about them.

I just finished my first R.M. Brown/Sneaky Pie book "Rest in Pieces." It was fun, thanks for steering me there.......jean

I love all of Rita Maes books.. Fiction, Non fiction, the cat series and the fox series.. Just flat out love her writing.

I am reading Susan Anderson's "Shadow Dance". She is a terrific writer. The story is about a dancer in Reno. (The book was written in 1989 and Reno has since fallen on hard times due to Indian casino competition). However, that doesn't alter the suspense of this book. A serial killer is killing dancers. Detective Tristan MacLaughlin is brought in from Seattle where he led the team that captured the Green River Killer. He is a huge, dour Scot, with a charming brogue. I certainly recommend this book and this author.

Sounds interesting, Poppy. I made a note of it. I like Scots, so long as they're not too dour.

Babi

Reading Murder with Puffins by Donna Andrews.. Funny very very light book..

Babi, I might warn you about the Susan Andersen book, "Shadow Dance". It has the most explicit sex scenes that I have read in a long time. I have finished the book now and it was terrific right up to the end. I went to the author's web site, and she is more of a romance novelist than a mystery writer, but I really liked this book and generally I don't care for romances.

I enjoy both Romance and Mystery books. There used to be a big difference between the two, but the line between seems to be blurring. Most romance novels these days will have some sort of 'sex' scene of the hero and heroine. In most traditional books, the two having the sex usually end up making a commitment to each other. Mysteries have the who done it as the main line of the plot and any 'sex' scenes are a side action. What they both have in common is everything gets wrapped up at the end of the book. To me that is what is so satisfying about reading both genres.

Thanks for the warning, POPPY. Personally, I prefer sex scenes to be implicit rather than explicit. One knows what is happening; details can be left to the imagination. Much less perturbing to one's serenity.

Babi

"The Jupiter Myth" and "The Accusers", by Lindsey Davis, apparently came out in 2003, BaBi, and "Scandal Takes a Holiday" came out in 2004. I have gotten behind, and need to get "The body in the Bathhouse" which came out in 2002. I also see that I missed one written in 1997, "Time to Depart". I have read, or listened to, the other 13 that I know about. I got hooked on the series when I checked out my first Falco audio book.

Did anyone else see the new TV mystery series: Rosemary and Thyme? The theme music is from "Scarborough Fair". It is not great, but is British and is growing on me. The main characters are Rosemary Boxer, a horticulturist turned landscaper, and Laura Thyme, an ex constable and new divorcee. I like Laura a lot, very down to earth and can be funny when not being outraged. Rosemary is okay, but overdoes the facial expressions when trying to make a point. She knows her plants, though, and finds important clues through her knowledge, which I like.

http://www.rosemaryandthyme.tv/main.asp

I was interested to note that Peter Lovesey was the Story Consultant for the "Rosemary and Thyme" series. I just finished reading his "Bloodhounds" with Detective Superintendent Peter Diamond. It is light reading with an interesting cast of characters and an intriguing variation on the locked room puzzle.

Perkie...

What is ITV1 ?

I don't recognize that channel, but I'd love to see that series. Do you need a satellite dish or ???

jane

Neat web site. As far as I can figure ITV is in London.

Maybe the program is on BBC America? I could get that on a satellite dish when I lived at the farm, but not now on cable. Sue

I have been watching the "Rosemary and Thyme" series on our local San Jose PBS station. It is a touch predictable. I agree that Rosemary overdoes the strange facial expressions. I enjoy the actress who plays Thyme and remember her from "The Darling Buds of May".

Thanks, GSP. Our PBS seems to do only fund-raising and the endless repeat of some of those shows. I'll have to look for this one. I've about given up on them, too, and they were my last hope for a decent TV station. If it weren't for news, weather, and basketball, there'd be no reason to have the TV.

JANE: I agree with you completely.

I haven't heard of "Rosemary and Thyme" down here either. I try to keep an eye on what is on PBS, since they have some great shows. I am beginning to think the individual stations broadcasting PBS may vary widely in what they offer, and when.

Babi

I cannot remember when our PBS stations actually carried any of the things mentioned here. All they do is fund raise..over and over. I have pretty much given up on them. Used to support them heavily, but no more.. The money seems to disappear into some sort of empty pit. I know on the radio part, my husband used to volunteer since he was a radio announcer when younger. He did the local paper, along with some other people. They were all replaced by someone who gets paid.. For a begging type of station, made no sense at all.

Just finished Alexander McCall Smith's latest in his series about the Ladies No. 1 Detective Agency. "In the Company of Cheerful Ladies" is another big winner. My husband (who is not a regular book reader) and I both enjoyed it so much. It gives such insight to another culture and also to people generally but in subtle ways.

To any of you who read Spencer-Fleming, her newest, To Darkness and To Death, is great. If you haven't read her, start with the first one though. There are four. Each book stands alone, but you get more into the characters that way. And, of course, increases your anticipation for the next one!

Thanks to the recommendation of someone here, I got my first John Dunning book, "The Bookman's Wake". After a slow start and a great deal more than I wanted to know about fonts and bookbinding, I very much appreciate the author and his writing.

Cliff Janeway is the cop-turned book-dealer. He sets off to bring back a fugitive and is led into the search for a priceless edition of Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven. Many surprises in the book. I recommend it and will read more of Dunning's books.

There s a new game in town. I'm not sure where to post this but here will be a start. A good friend sent it to me and it kind of fits the mystery mode. it's a long quote.

From: Pat Johnson <colony3@sbcglobal.net> To: Dana Smith <smitty51820@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: FW: Important: Please Read

Subject: Important: Please Read

IMPORTANT PLEASE READ

A friend stopped at a pay-at-the-pump gas station to get gas. Once she filled her gas tank and after paying at the pump and starting to leave, the voice of the attendant inside came over the speaker. He told her that something happened with her card and that she needed to come inside to pay. The lady was confused because the transaction showed complete and approved. She relayed that to him and was getting ready to leave but the attendant, once again, urged her to come in to pay or there'd be trouble. She proceeded to go inside and started arguing with the attendant about his threat. He told her to calm down and listen carefully:

He said that while she was pumping gas, a guy slipped into the back seat of her car on the other side and the attendant had already called the police.

She became frightened and looked out in time to see her car door open and the guy slip out. The report is that the new gang initiation thing is to bring back a woman and/or her car. One way they are doing this is crawling under women's cars while they're pumping gas or at grocery stores in the nighttime. The other way is slipping into unattended cars and kidnapping the women.

Please pass this on to other women, young and old alike. Be extra careful going to and from your car at night. If at all possible, don't go alone! This is real!!

The message:

1. ALWAYS lock your car doors, even if you're gone for just a second!

2. Check underneath your car when approaching it for reentry, and check in the back before getting in.

3. Always be aware of your surroundings and of other individuals in your general vicinity, particularly at night!

Send this to everyone so your friends can take precaution.

AND GUYS...YOU TELL ANY WOMEN YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS Thanks,

Barbara Baker, Secretary Directorate of Training U.S. Army Military Police School THIS

Claire

Wow Claire that is awesome. What will these creeps think of next. I fill up my car about 3 time's a week and never even look. I am in and out of the car all day never look. Guess I will have to change my ways. But Under the car???????????jeez

Thank you so much!! I'll tell all my friends.

Claire...

That email appears to be what is called, at one hoax site, a "Scare Chain letter" and that one has been around since 2000 according to the site below. As they say at the site, this would surely be on news or in the papers if it were happening:

Source: HOaxBusters Bad Guy in the Backseat from Oct. 2000.

jane

I know about all the hoax letters but I've been locking my car when I leave it which is now a truck, and when it was a four door sedan I always looked into the back seat before getting in. Just seen too many movies where the bad guy rose up out of it after the car started and the driver didn't have much control. The person who sent it to me is not a nit wit. I believe she believes and I do too. so don't do any of those things and probably you'll be all right but what have you got to lose if you do take care. I hadn't thought about under the car, but especially the SUV's have room

Claire

Before I got to the messages here that the story is a hoax, I had looked it up myself. I frequently get email from well-meaning friends about such things, but I always look them up via google first before I panic. And as I'm always standing by the back seat door when filling the tank, it would have to be someone pretty invisible to get into my car unnoticed. Heaven only knows I have enough real things to be paranoid about.

Like the mysterious invasion of the winged ants Saturday night. Now there WAS a mystery.

I just finished "Bubbles Unbound" by Sarah Strohmeyer. I think I saw her name on this site.

It intrigued me because she writes about Lehigh, Pa and I grew up in central Pa and my driver-training teacher in high school was a man whose name was Strohmeyer.

It was fun reading, she had trouble with pacing and keeping the characters in "character", but it got better toward the end.....jean

She's trying to do an Evanovich kind of story and actually thanks J.E. for her encouragement "and at whose kitchen table Bubbles was born." It's not an Evanovich, but I think this is her first. It was published in 2001, does anyone know if there have been others since?

mabel: There are several "Bubbles" books out...here's the website for them:

http://www.sarahstrohmeyer.com/bubbles/

jane

JEANLOCK, I hope your 'winged ants' weren't termites. When they swarm, they do look like winged ants. However, if they were swarming, that means they were getting ready to leave. Would'nt hurt to check, tho', just to be sure they're all gone.

Babi

I just got my second "Bubbles" book from the library, and am looking forward to reading it.

Babi--

No, they weren't termites according to the bug man. They were very tiny black bodies with silver-colored wings. They appeared suddenly out of nowhere on one wall of the bedroom, and really had me upset for a few minutes. The bug man says they swarm, mate, and then disappear. I think I 'disappeared' them before they had any fun.

Thank you Jane and Joan, i appreciate your responses......jean

I don't know what ITV1 is, Jane. I saw "Rosemary and Thyme" on one of the PBS channels. We are lucky enough to get four different PBS channels from our Comcast cable provider, so we can usually find something of interest.

I am not familiar with Julie Spencer Fleming, TomeReader, but will certainly look her up. I have never visited the Adirondack Mountains, but have read about them for years. Thanks.

I have been aware of the strategy of someone hiding under a car and grabbing an ankle for years, and have read or heard that it is an urban myth. However, being cautious and also being a creature of habit, I always lock my car when I get out of it, even at the gas pumps. I felt a little silly, but knew if I once neglected to do so, it could easily become the wrong habit. Thanks for the reinforcement, Winsum.

I stumbled on some short mysteries by Lawrence Block and checked it out because it has three featuring Bernie the Burglar, one of my favorite characters. One of the stories was in the third person, apparently the only Bernie story not in the first person. My mind just made a lateral jump. Would it be possible to write a story in the second person? Anyway, I have gone on to read others, some of them having an almost O. Henry twist, and am enjoying it.

I wonder if anyone knows how to evaluate books. It is much on my mind after reading "Bookman's Wake" which was based on finding valuable books in small bookstores where they don't recognize what they have.

Anyway, I have to autographed books that I got quite by accident at a library book sale. One is "Cress Delahanty" by Jessamyn West. The other is "Out on the Cutting Edge" by Lawrence Block. Where could I find out if they are valuable. Does the author's signature make them more or less valuable?

Generally speaking, if there is a message and not just a signature, this makes it valuable. Then is the book a first edition?? Did the author sign a lot of books?? You can find places on the web that will help you to decide on value. Not too many books of current day authors are that valuable.

Golden State,

The place where I take my used books to be sold bases the price they give me on the value they find when they look it up. I'm not sure what the source is, but I'll ask when I go up there next week.

Lawrence Block has often had book signing at one of the mystery stores in New York City. So there may be many books that he has signed.

Jean I am also interested in the source your book store uses. I have many books I would like to sell, but have no idea of what they are worth.

I took a couple of books to a local resale book store, and learned to my disappointment that a book store will generally only pay about 10% of a books value. They don't know how long they may have it in stock before they can sell it; perhaps may never sell it. At least that's what I'm told. So even if you had a book worth $100., you'd be offered $10. for it. You could likely do better on ebay, if someone out there wanted it.

Babi

The problem with e-bay is the seller has to pay ebay and pay to use Pay-Pal

I have heard that selling books at Amazon.com is better than ebay. I have gotten books from ebay and it is simple for the buyer.

Good to know, GinnyAnn. Sell at Amazon, buy from eBay. I haven't looked into Amazon yet. Another item on my todo list.

Babi

I sold a textbook recently on Amazon and was charged a commission of over 7.00 for a book that I sold for 45.00. They allowed postage, but only half as much as I was charged for media rate.

I have sold books on ebay and specified cashiers check or money order, not Pay pal.. so that cuts down on having to pay. They do charge by what you get for the book.. Be sure and put a reserve on it. There is a book that gives you values of used books, but it is a bit misleading. Sometimes the bigger antiquarian stores will take valuable books on consignment.

did a job for me on a couple of carl sandburg books first edition the Prairie Years about Abraham Lincoln. I thought they were probably worth more than five hundred for the two but didn't pursue the issue. just gave them to my son who is a journalist and can do it himself if he ever wants too. They were on what looked like handmade paper cut edges by hand? irregular anyhow and signed. . . . . Claire

CLAIRE: did they give you a bad estimate? That's too bad -- I'm a big fan of Powell Books.

If the Sandburgh books are what I think they are.. Limited edition on special paper and print, they may very well be worth a lot. There are some independent bookstores who would know. Wish I could tell you about them, but I do know they are out there.

gaj

You could also go to Amazon and look them up. They sell used books, too, and for any given title often have several sources who have it used. You could read through the list and see what others may be charging for your books. Of course condition of the book is important.

they currently have a home with my son. They make good reading too. . . my dad was a lincoln buff and he also had the rest of the series but not in the first edition, just mass produced. Son has those too. They may turn out to be family heirlooms . . . . claire

Since private collectors will pay the most for books, why not advertise it yourself on eBay?

The classic sea fairing adventure Treasure Island , by Robert Louis Stevenson, is now a PROPOSED discussion. Two great discussion participants have already signed on for the voyage/discussion. I hope you folks will come aboard also.
My thanks to the folks in Books into Movies for requesting this novel.
Please use the link below to begin the search for the treasure and sign on for the sea voyage.

Treasure Island

Bill H

I am reading the book "Psychopath" by Keith Ablow which was mentioned by someone here. It is a most exciting book. It is written by a forensic psychaitrist and is a bit Freudian, but a very good read. Bodies turn up along highways and the killer is called the "Highway Killer" who is also a psychiatrist. The killer challenges Frank Clevenger, a forensic psychiatrist, to heal him through an exchange of letters published on the front page of the New York Times.

Treasure Island had been moved to Upcoming Discussions and is scheduled to begin November 15th. And a formidable crew has signed on board.

Don't miss out what promises to be a fun discussion.

Treasure Island

Bill H

Just finished the book "Hallowed Bones" by Carolyn Haines. This is particularly interesting for its description of New Orleans. The PI is Sarah Booth Delaney who investigates the death of the child of a New Orleans healer, Doreen Mallory. The book was published in 2004, so describes the city before.... Interesting book, and well worth the read as a mystery or a description of the city.

The book I just finished called Final Scream by Lisa Jackson is really a keeper. I had the end all wrong and it was a shocker. Takes place in a small town in Oregon and its 530 pages but it kept me up at night. Not really scary but you just want to know what happens next.

This is a nine in my book and I'm not sure what would make a 10.

Just finished a book "Splintered Icons". It is written by an Englishman and published a while ago, but republished here since it has elements like the DaVinci Code.. Quite good,, a little on the daring daredevil mode, but I finished it in an afternoon, which for me means I liked it..

Author of icons is David Napier.. He is a professor in England

If you like thrillers, you might want to try James Patterson and Howard Roughan's Honeymoon ...cover says it's the "2005 International Thriller of the Year"...

I seem to be tired of Patterson. Used to love his stuff, but he seems to have a bee in his bonnet about international affairs.Not my cup of tea. Am trying Diane Mott Davidsons latest.. Lookie.. lookie.. she seems to have tamed down the kid. Thank heaven.

I thought her latest that I read was a MUCH improved plot...the kid, the JERK...it all... It's as though she got the message we were tired of the ex-wife abuse/stalking from JERK and the spoiled Arch.

Her agent/publisher are no doubt getting feedback from the readers...like us. :>)

Babi

Could well be, Babi. If she just does an internet search for comments on her book, she might have gotten a "wakeup call" ...herself or an agent.

Much easier to see what people are saying discussing about books now with the internet, of course.

jane

What is the nme of her latest? I don't know if I've read it or not.

Double Shot is the last one I've read.

Here's her website: http://www.dianemottdavidson.com/

jane

Double Shot is the one I am reading.. It truly is an improvement over the last several. I am glad that she took note or somehow changed a bit.. Now.. on to Patricia Cornwall, who once upon a time wrote some really good stuff and then it all turned to trash.. I keep hoping, but no luck thus far. If she would stop trying to write comedy or true crime and stop with the killing off and then reviving of major characters, life would get easier. I did just finish a Jonathon Kellerman.. Therapy.. I liked it a good deal more than I have for a while. He has finally got off the failed love affair mostly and that helps.. Milo is back on track as well..I did think of all of those pop psychologist who love tv throughout the book and I suspect he did while writing it.

"The Icon" turned up when I was checking in library books this morning. Since it was recommended here, I set it aside and checked it out. I have to finish a Nora Roberts first, but I'll let you know what I think of it when I get into it.

Babi

Good, I haven't read "Double Shot". It'll be nice to see Davidson back on track. The only problem is that I gain five pounds whenever I read her, just from reading her recipes. Goodness knows what would happen if I actually cooked them!!

I never ever cook the recipes.. Never saw so much cream, butter and sugar in my life.. Like you, I can gain 5 pounds just reading about them. I did really like Double Shot and it finished with a flourish.. Given her a new enemy at that.. Sort of neat. Shattered Icons..If you read it tell me how you feel about it. Remember it was written before DaVinci Code. I am reading one of Jane Haddams.. Gregor books.. Conspiracy.. Sort of more serious than most of her stuff. But she used to write reall heavy stuff under her real hame.. Oriana P( something greek)

Just finished Hiaasen book Native Tongue. I was really fascinated by the first of his books that I read. This one did nothing for me but I finished it and my time could have probably been spent reading something else that I really enjoy.

Currently, I am reading an older book (1993). It is one of the alphabet series by Sue Grafton, "J is for Judgment". She makes it easy to read. Most of her characters are familiar. She tosses in a little history of the California missions. A very good read!

to authors we've enoyed even when they MISS. I really like Hiaasen . . will check out native tonque just in case. . . . Claire

GSP, Sue Grafton's latest - "S is for Silence" will be out December 6. Can't wait - love all her books.

I love Hiassen, but he is sometimes difficult. He is one of those authors who write mysteries, but also throw in his thoughts on environment and the overcrowding of Florida in every novel. Still working on this Conspiracy by Haddam. Do people reallly believe this stuff? She says in an authors note that every single website and newsletter mentioned in the book was in existance when she wrote the book.. Is it possible to believe the world is run by a mixture of human and serpents? Oh me..

I suspect you can find almost anything on a website, STEPHANIE. I have heard of websites that it would never have occurred to me to in my wildest imaginings. Think of anything, and I believe you would find something about it on the net.

Babi

I've gotten my daughter addicted to Janet Evanovitch. She and a friend are reading through the books at a great rate. I'm going out to visit her next month and the friend suggested that we have a Janet Evonovitch party. We each have to be one of the characters. Do you think I would make a good Lula?

The friend promised to cook pot roast and pineapple upside down cake for dinner.

Oh I would love to go to your party. I love Stephanie Plum.

I have recently been reading the Barbara Colley books about a New Orleans Maid-for-a-day,Charlotte LaRue. They are cozy myteries and I am enjoying them very much expecially since Charlotte is of retirement age.

Charlotte cleans in the most beautiful mansions in the Garden District of New Orleans - I don't know if that district is real or fictional and wonder what happened to it during the recent hurricanes.

I think there are only three Charlotte LaRue mysteries. Enjoy, Dottie

Dottie: I believe the Garden District is very real in NO. I've heard that mentioned when they talked about damage, people returning home, etc.

I just did a search on google and lots of hits for Garden District New Orleans. Of course, these are pre-Katrina and Rita, I'm sure.

http://gardendistrict.neworleans.com/

jane

Dottie, I'm glad you mentioned the Charlotte LaRue series. I had read one and enjoyed it--then couldn't remember the author. Will definitely go back to the library and see if they have the others. I recently read the latest in the Sister (temporarily forgot Sister's name) series by Aimee & David Thurlo and enjoyed it. My daughter just cleaned out her bookcase and gave me about 30 hardback mysteries for my bookcase shelves. Just finished "Stitches in Time" by Barbara Michaels and started "Prime Witness" by Steve Martini. They were both written before I retired in 1996 and had the leisure to indulge my interest mystery books.

My doctor, of all people(!), has gotten me addicted to Janet Evanovich. I tried to read her some time ago and found her a little "too flip" IMO at that time until during a visit to my doctor. We were talking of books and reading and she said she always had to have her Evanovich fix. So I tried the Stephanie Plum books again and have gotten totally hooked! I searched the library catalog and started with the first in the series and I am now catching up to book five. If you are Lula, I MUST be Grandma Mazur!

The Garden District is quite real.. quite beautiful and is mostly ok according to the reports. It is relatively high ground. Had a lot more problems with looting, but a lot of the owners ( including Anne Rice of course) hired private security that kept the houses safe.

Phyll: you got it! And Stephanie gets to choose who she is!

I hope the garden district is still there, but I'm afraid.

Hmm.. I think I would like to be Stephanie , of course, but Joyce also is sort of an upfront character.. Stephanies sister is also turning out to be a hoot. Of course at 67, I should probably be Grandma Mazur, but oh me, I hate funerals and she loves them.

my husband's reading to read bits of Evanovich to him, all the time laughing so much I could hardly get the words out. He laughed, too, but I don't think he gets it quite as much as I do. Is it a "girl thing"? Anyway, this was the scene in which she and Lula found a STIFF dead body and tried to stuff it in the trunk of Lula's Firebird out in the rain and traffic on Route 1 in Jersey. They got it in headfirst but the feet stuck out so Lula tied a red scarf on to one leg so the cops wouldn't get on her. I'm sorry, all of you who are not Evanovich fans or haven't read this scene yet, but I just howled over the pictures this brought into my mind. I've driven Route 1 in Jersey in a rain storm but thank heavens, with no dead body sticking out of my trunk!!!

And at one time I thought I would never read Evanovich. I should NEVER say never. They DO say there is none so devout as a convert.

Evanovich isn't a "girl thing". John loves her - I'm the one who doesn't read them. Maybe someday.

I've been laughing for five minutes, just remembering. My favorite is when Lula is on a high protein diet, and carries pork chops in her purse. They are trying to shadow a suspect, but keep being followed by a pack of dogs who are barking trying to get into the purse. Needless to say, the suspect sees them.

You got me lol-- Lula and those pork chops.

I love Evanovich's humor.

Lula is really a funny funny lady. She and Stephanie get their man, but darned if I can see how. I just thought. I know who I want to be.. Joe Morellis Grandmother. She of the evil eye.. Hey hey.. I am ready for the party. Now I need to fine a really really big hairnet.

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Okay, okay! With that much enthusiasm, I will read an Evanovich! If the mystery seems weak, I can always enjoy the laughs.

Babi

you will enjoy the laughs but Evanovich isn't ALL laughs. Underlying it all there is a thread of mystery and some serious, shocking and heart wrenching moments but unlike some books or present day "shock" tv, she doesn't dwell incessantly and graphically on these things. Once in a while, Stephanie Plum, like all of us, reaches the end of her rope and gets really "down" and then-----whammo!-----up pops another zany character or situation and suddenly you're rolling on the floor again. That is the beauty of these books and frankly the mark of a VERY good writer, IMO.

You are a very discerning reader. Give them a good try. I think you'll like them. They won't solve the world's problems but they will brighten your day.

This is from an email I rec'd. Francy

A National Geographic web cam that gives you a live peek at a watering hole in Botswana called Pete's Pond. As I type this message, I just saw and heard a flock of birds come to the pond, and a warthog walk past. It is windy at Pete's Pond, I can hear it and see it in the rippling of the water as well as the dust blowing near the pond. You can check out this cool site at:

http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/wildcamafrica/wildcam.html

Phyll, how could anyone resist a recommendation like that. I shall most certainly find an Evanovich or two on my next library visit.

Francy, that was such fun! I love watching those cams at wilderness sites.

Babi

That wilcam is great! It's the middle of the night now, but I'll be back. I sent te link to my grandsons. They'll be thrilled.

Well! Y'all almost have me convinced I should read another Stephanie Plum!

Meanwhile, let me recommend Alafair Burke's latest, third in the Samantha Kincaid series set in Portland, OR. This one is called Close Case. I've enjoyed them all and not just because they are set in Portland! I hope this author keeps them coming.

I am throughly enjoying Robert B. Parker's School Days. It is a Spenser mystery.

I liked Alafairs first two, so will look for the third. Love the Petes Pond.. Managed to score a coup on ebay.. I have always listened to Stephanie Plums adventure and never bought the books, so I went on ebay and bought a paperback collect of the first 10.. I am sure that they are different in some ways from the audio. But I do love the audios because of the jersey accent done by the reader..

because I'd like to read more about the Portland area I just checked the library catalog on-line and lo and behold! all 3 of A. Burke's books are there and no one else is ahead of me on the reserve list so I put my name in immediately. Hope to get a call very soon. Tom will pick them up as soon as he can and I know I will enjoy a new author. Thanx.

OK! Don't know whether to be happy or mad. I just spent about a half-hour or more so engrossed in watching Pete's Pond in Botswana that I couldn't believe that much time had gone by. That is more fascinating than sitting and gazing into the burning coals on a winter's night. Even got Tom drawn into watching with me and we saw several animals coming to drink before the night time came down. Thank you (I think), Francy Lou, for posting the link.

Just started on the new Dana Stabenow ( in paperback). Kate being nice to everyone?? Whew.. Makes you really stop and wonder. Kate is not noted for being a kind and gentle woman. Fun..

I love Pete's Pond. The time difference is awkward for me: mostly it's busy when I'm asleep or gone. But I did see an ?Eland? (the deer type with the funny horns).

Joan,, so did I.. yesterday. Today I saw some sort of monkey ( large with tail) and a large bird.. I got out my magnifier and that helps me figure out what I am looking at. Such a neat site.

is such a treat. it's night time there right now and I'm listening to all the sounds like background music. I watched it from her pacific time last night and it was daylight there. Isaw the elands. . . didin't know what to call them until joan said what they are and many birds. . qual? guinies? right now there are chirping sounds, something keeps eating something and several metalic sounds as something checks out the fence. I read how it was done which is very interesting. the crickets never stop, some watery sounds. it's a kind of poetry. thankyou for putting it up.. Joan? Stephanie? Isaved it to my mac desktop. play it at odd times. it's always different. and there is a foghorn? at least something sounds like that. . .can't be a foghorn . . .so what is it. .. claire

the most wondrous things! We have it on all the time. We've seen a large herd of elephants with several babies two nights in a row now--nine or ten zebra came yesterday. Many elann, a baboon, ostriches, guinea fowl (always there), warthogs wallowing in the mud and having a glorious time. Birds of all kinds, large cranes that stand so still. It has been so addictive--we can't quit watching. Our best time here in NC is in the mornings but the camera shows the animals when they come after dark in Botswana and that is when the elephants come. Keep watching! It's wonderful!!!! Thank you, thank you, Francie Lou.

I don't mean to mislead anyone. I was guessing that they are elands. They could be ibexes or something else.

The "foghorn" has to be an animal. elephant? I haven't seen one yet. They come at night?

I looked at their species list. There are a ton of hoofed mammals, and several are more common than the eland. The impala, the bush deer, several kinds of wildebeast etc. I think I haven't always seen the same one: some have antlers like deer, others antlers that go straight up.

Sorry if I confused you all.

and a checklist rating the liklihood of which ones you will see so you can identify them. Just click on the links on the side of the screen. Today we have seen elephants already, a jackal, some eland (NOT elann! sometimes I am so spelling challenged!), the ever present guinea fowl. And all of this came about because of one man--Pete Le Roux--who saw a need and instead of just standing and ranting about it, he did something about it. It's a wonderful story! Read it on the National Geographic site.

I am so glad you all have enjoyed! I keep forgeting to turn on in their day time. But I do see movement at night. 12:00 noon my time is about 7 theirs.

I don't see detail well enought to distinguish the hooved animals except that thos spiral hord show up in profile. I cold't get on yet toight. daytime there. I thik it's because my real player is out f date and I'm lucky to get it at all. Itook some screen shots which worked out well. I can call ehtm up whenever, but they aren't very clear.

claire

I'm enjoying looking at Pete's Pond, but I cannot seem to remember to look during the hours when there's activity. Maybe I'll see some actual animals sometime.

hmm. last night on my computer, I had pictures of elephants, but then a strip of message across it said..The web cam was out of service.. So.. did not get anything live. Yesterday afternoon, I got to see what was probably jackals..Hmm. I want elephants..

The camera seems to be fixed and working now. Lots a visiters, although it is difficult to distinguish who they are sometimes.

but here in North Carolina just within the last half-hour I watched a LARGE herd of elephants bathing in Pete's Pond. Big and small elephants down in the water, wallowing around and having a wonderful time. I couldn't even count how many there were. They stayed a long time and then slowly moved on. It must be a hot day in Africa---lots of traffic at the Pond this evening but the shadows are getting long right now and the day is ending---only guinea fowl and a few impala coming by. What a wonderful experience this has been.

I'm in the Eastern Time Zone. The times listed on the site say that 7a.m-noon and 4-6p.m., Botswana time are the peak viewing times. From what I can figure out, this translates to 1-6 a.m. and 10 a.m.-noon Eastern Daylight Time. Those are times that I'm usually asleep or not at home, but I keep trying. I saw the same elephants and message yesterday that Stephanie did.

Can anyone tell the "hoofed mammals apart? I've seen at least two different kinds: one with branched antlers like a deer, and one whose antlers go straight up (couldn't tell if they were twisted).

Last night, I saw a mother elephant drinking from the pond while her baby drank from her. So cute. I called my daughter to look, but by the time I got back to the computer, they were gone.

Okay, I've read a Stepanovic book ("To The Nines"), and found it entertaining and a fast read. I will undoubtedly read some more of them.

I did, however, have the perp identified before the ending. What happened to profiling? Once they realized what was going on, the murderer was practically lit up with arrows saying, "Here he is!"

Babi

To the Nines?? Authors name not familiar.. Babi, do you mean Evanovich?? Stephanie Plum. IF so, we almost always know who she is after, its the getting there thats the fun. I did see Elephants yesterday somewhat later. Also what was probably jackals.. Later something like a deer. Could not get a glimpse of horns. Later yet in the early evening.. something catlike, but not sure just what. I use magnifiers, but sometimes the light is better than other times.

LOL. Look what I did! I combined Evanovich with Stephanie and came up with Stepanovic! Oh, well, it's not the first original word I've coined.

Babi

but I guess she wouldn't be to everyone's taste. I did say that I didn't like her at first either but when I went back for a second try I fell in love.

By the way, to all of you devoted fans----if you can't sleep at night and want a book to get you in the mood for slumber, DON'T read Evanovich! Not only could I not get back to sleep but I woke my husband up as well with my insane laughter!

I am reading "In the Forest of Harm" by Sallie Bissell (2001). It is an exciting book...so much so that I don't want to put it down. Mary Crow, a Cherokee, has become a tough and successful prosecutor in Atlanta, GA. She makes a trip back to her tribal home in North Carolina. The writing is excellent.

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One For the Money

Two For the Dough

Three to Get Deadly

The Last Peep (short story in the Mary Higgins Clark anthology The Plot Thickens)

Four to Score

High Five

Hot Six

Seven Up

Hard Eight

Visions of Sugar Plums (holiday novella)

To the Nines

Ten Big Ones

Eleven On Top

Twelve (currently untitled) - June 2006

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Metro Girl

Motor Mouth (April 18, 2006)

Evanovich also wrote series romance originally. There were several in the series. Forgot which series it was. I only like Stephanie Plum. Tried the ones she cowrote, but they just dont hit it for me. I am another who listens to the tapes and people in the gym must think I am a nut. I just howl with laughter and as everyone knows.. gyms are serious stuff. Oh well.

My daughter is reading one of the romances. I'll let you know if it's any good. I agree about the other series.

I've just realized at Petes Pond, if you get the species list and click on a name, you get a picture. Or if you go to gallery, and click on a picture, you get a name. So the deer-like animals whose antlers go straight up, with a bit of wiggle are elands.

Petes Pond is making most peculiar noises.. Would it be Thunder?? or something else. Not a visible animal for sure. Sort of crackling and rumbling together.

If you can see in the background, out across the plain, the dust devils are blowing. My husband googled the weather in that part of Botswana and it is hot and dry with a 13 mile per hour wind out of the East. (What a great tool this computer and the Internet is!) And Pete's Pond is so fascinating that I can't quit watching. The elephants and even the wart hogs are great fun because it doesn't matter what species it is, kids act like kids! Lots of fun to watch.

Oh, I expect to read more of Evanovich, PHYLL. It wasn't deep, but it was fun. I think I'll go back and begin with No.1, "One For The Money".

Babi

If you are reading Sally Bissell, be sure and check out all of her books. She's super! And Mary Crow is such an interesting character. Try to read them in chronological order.

Another favorite author of mine, Wm. Kent Krueger. He writes about a policeman/sheriff who is part Ojibwe indian. The latest one is "Mercy Falls", which I'm reading now. His other titles are Iron Lake, Boundary Waters, Purgatory Ridge, Devil's Bed and Blood Hollow, in chrono. order. BUT, you don't have to read them in order, you just get a better feel for the character if you do.

Stephanie Plum's story evolves throughout the series and I think you will grow to appreciate Evanovich's humor even more. Enjoy!

Just finished Sally Bissell's "The Forest of Harm". It was so intense that I read into the night, which is unusual for me. Talk about the "Perils of Pauline". I will certainly want to be reading more of her books. I don't know where this is in her series. I want to know more about Mary Crow and Jonathan Walkingstick.

I will have to look for Sally Bissel.. The name is totally unknown to me, but I like books that pertain to Indians..Tony Hillerman is an all time favorite and now that he is not writing, I am always looking for others. I am reading the latest of Robert Parkers"Sunny" series. He is having fun since her psychoanalyst is?? Susan Silverman and she has just met the policemen that Spencer deals with.. Sunny is interesting,, extremely conflicted but interesting.

I found that I had the book and had read psychopath a long time ago. I got his first one DENIAL from he library. . very different practically all sexual context. He was probably just trying to sell it. He's good writer though and I'll check out the others. claire

Stephanie - I agree the 'Sunny' books are great. The interplay of characters from Parker's other novels demonstrate how skillful a writer he is.

Thanks for the link! This looks like a great discussion. The only mysteries I read are Tony Hillerman, in honor of my dad. I had just gotten him started on them when he died. He had read the covers off of Louis L'Amour and Larry McMurtry (Lonesome Dove) and needed something new. He really liked those books and I had several of them saved up to give him, so I started reading them in his honor and became hooked. It's also in honor of my mother and this man really knows his stuff about the American Indians he portrays.

I see some things here that sound interesting, so I'll keep my eye out for them in our library sale room.

Hugs,

Karen

Hello, all! I vote for Tony Hillerman.

Karen, I've said here earlier what great fans we are of Hillerman (and of the Navajo people). We're going to go to an Elderhostel in April in Farmington, NM, based on the Navajo people and Hillerman's books. We're most excited about that one!

gottem,have em, read em, almost all? anyhow I have about forty Louis l'amours I've saved for possible rereading. something I almost never do with fiction. I like the way the setting is one of the contagonists in most of his books and the first few lines are always grabbers.

Mary, about the Elderhostel...something else I don't do is travel very much, limited mobility but that one sounds great to me. I have navajo rugs from the grand canyon area and from albequerki. . . .we used to trailer travel and went there especially so that I could collect. Hillerman a favorite and I have another name or two MARGARET COEL . . , knows her material and writes mysteries well. . . .

lists of her books

claire

I think you mean Margaret Coel, Winsum - yep, those are good ones, too.

We have a couple of small (15x30") rugs, and a number of pots from the various pueblo tribes. Our first Elderhostel in 1995 was to Grants, NM, and was on the pueblo tribes. The last one I did out there was a women-only program with our youngest daughter, set at Canyon de Chelly and based on the Navajo women and their crafts. Just terrific!

The Canyon du Chelly elderhostel sounds just great. Will keep it in mind. There are several writers who do Indian country and mysteries. I love to read about the area. We were in the Grand Canyon, etc last year. I collected some small black on black pots and love them.

Stephanie, I don't know that they're doing that particular program any more, but keep checking. It was great, and I'd highly recommend it. We love the black-on-black pots, too, although we don't have any of those. We have several from Acoma. I'm sure we'll be looking while we're out there next spring.

doesn't really belong here in the Mystery Corner but this is where it started and I don't know where else to talk about it so....

Have you seen the pictures today? They must have done a lot of "tweaking" of the camera or the satellite hookup or something over the weekend because the pictures are stunning! The elephants were there about an hour ago. It was bathing day today. What fun!

I was just there (11:25 a.m. ET) and got no picture at all. I'll keep trying, though. One of these days, I'm going to see something neat.

Yesterday I saw the elephant family. There had to be 8 or 9.. Three babies that I could see. Sometimes the picture is soooo good, other times, especially at twilight ( right now) not good at all.

just fascinating and I made screen shots as fast as I could to save some of the images. Maybe I"ll make a page later so everyone can see them. elephants are magical. . . .claire

camera stuck

[ posted by Pete of Pete's Pond at October 18, 2005 08:03 AM ]

Apologies for the stuck camera. It is a software problem we are busy trying to sort out. We can manually move the camera but cannot put it to automatic pan, so when nobody is in the hide we have to leave it in one position. Hopefully have it sorted out by tonight (our time)

I copied this from the Blog at the Pete's Pond site. If you go up above the picture there you will see the word BLOG---just click on that and you can read all of the questions that people are asking as well as all of the answers and information that is coming back from the workers at Pete's Pond. It is extremely interesting and keeps you up-to-date on what is happening with the camera problems and with the animals.

Hope Marcie can find a place for us here in Senior Net to talk about Pete's Pond.

Oh I do hope Marcie can. I love Petes Pond.. Glad to know why the camera was not circling the pond. Just went there and it is just plain down. Sigh..I can understand the problems, but I miss my animal fix. Reading a really really light mystery.. One of the Bubbles by Susan Strohmeyer, who writes in the exact same language and sentence structure as the woman who writes about Magdalena Yoder.

I don't mind having the Pete's Pond discussion here. That is better than a separate folder.

I am reading "L.A.Requiem" by Robert Crais. It is a gritty book about the death of a wealthy Latino's daughter. Elvis Cole and Joe Pike are private detectives called in to find the culprit. The author wrote for L.A.Law and Hill Street Blues and is an excellent writer. He has an unusual style, switching from the viewpoint of Elvis to flashbacks, but it works. The most intriguing character is Joe Pike, the taticern loner.

I watched/ heard a small drama. a baby elephant playing in the pond. a "common lets go kind of roar" baby still in the pool time passes baby comes out and looks around "where is everyone" back and forth a few times and some calls quite loud some anxious sounds so loud sounds that sounded like MA-OM or MOM in two syllables. time more sqawks and then a low rumbling and what could only be nuzzling sounds. and quiet. . . all's well on the elephant front.

most of this off camera.

gonna look for the blog now.CAN'T FIND IT. lots of buttons no blog. . tried em all and no word BLOG. shoot!

Claire

Just above the picture of Pete's Pond there is a green strip with words on it. The first word is "Home" and in the middle of the green strip is the word "Blog". Click on Blog and that will take you to the blog where people are asking questions and the staffers at Pete's Pond are answering them and telling us what they are doing. You can even ask a question if you want to. Just scroll to the bottom of the blog where there is a posting box.

Yes, so far this wonderful site is only supposed to be running until Dec.8th but if they get enough funding from National Geographic subscriptions they may extend it. Let's hope so.

there isn't a green strip at the top. there's one at the bottom with numbers changing and a couple of icons but then it keeps telling me to upgrade my copy of real play which I tried to do but which didn't work out. . .is there a url in the slot for the blog. . . an address. I may be able to access it that way. thanks anyhoo

claire

Robert Crais is a really good author. I love Elvis and try to read every single book he wrote with Elvis. He has written a few others that are good, but quite different.

Here is the url for the blog: http://ftp2.nationalgeographic.com/africam/blog/

Also, I think you need to be on the main National Geographic Home Page to see the green strip where all the links are and that url is: http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/wildcamafrica/home.html On that are links to all kinds of interesting stuff such as maps of the area where Pete's Pond is and the animal gallery and how they set up the camera and how Pete's Pond came about. Really interesting.

Hope this helps you. You shouldn't need to update Real Player to connect to these links from the National Geographic Home Page.

Marcie has opened a new discussion for discussion of wildlife, the Africa cam at Pete's Pond, etc.

"Wildlife"

I don't know if I have 'REal Player'. I do know the first time I went looking I was able to see the movement of the animals at Pete's Pond, but now I don't seem to be able to. I would subscribe to the new Wildlife site if I can first be sure I can see the animals.

Babi

I agree wholeheartedly with your recommendation for Sallie Bissell's "In the Forest of Harm", GoldenStatePoppy. It is indeed gripping, and I was totally surprised to learn the identity of the killer. There are three more in the series: A Darker Justice, Call the Devil By His Oldest Name, Legacy of Masks. The fact that it was placed in the Atlanta area also made it more interesting, since I went to high school in a small town near Atlanta and hiked the mountains with the Appalachian Trail Club.

Some of my favorite authors who feature Native Americans are: Margaret Coel, James D. Doss, Jean Hager, Tony Hillerman, Mardi Oakley Medawar, Ron Querry, Dana Stabenow, Aimee & David Thurlo, Robert Westbrook. And going farther afield, I love the Inspector Bonaparte series by Arthur Upfield. They are set in Australia and Boney is half Aborigine.

So many people love Boney, but I have tried and tried and can never get that far into the book. Sigh. REading an older Susan Wittig Albert. I had missed it the first time around and found the two I had missed in the used book store just recently. I love to go back and pick up the first books of a series if I like the author.

five up. . . a one day read and delightful my first of the series. . .claire

Oh do go and start with one.. They are so funny and the characters develop so nicely from one on.. Plus you get to see where she met Lula, etc.

Boy I really started something with Pete's Pond!

And I don't know whether to hug you or smack you!

Here's a new mystery you might be interested in, combining murder and crossword puzzles, "Stalking the Puzzle Lady," a murder mystery by Parnell Hall.

SeniorNet Classics Project Volunteer Manny Nosowsky is credited in the Preface!

CONTRACT KILLER

I want to thank Murderin' Manny Nosowsky for providing the puzzles that appear in this book. Manny swears that he's never actually killed anyone, but considering the enthusiasm with which he threw himself into the part, I would say that perhaps the gentleman doth protest a bit too much.

Manny writes crossword puzzles for the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal among others, congratulations, Manny!

How wonderful to read this about Manny. He is one of our active Seniornet people and has been attending our social events for 10 years. He is a most delightful and handsome retired doctor who now has made himself famous with creating crossword puzzles. I shall certainly read this book by Parnell Hall.

Currently, I am reading "The Innocent" by Harlan Coben. This book is "well written and compelling". A young college student tries to break up a college brawl in which a young man is killed. The college student, Matt Hunter, is sent to prison which changes him forever. He attempts to remake his life with a lovely wife and a child on the way, when her past rather than his, catches up with them. Very exciting book.

Did anyone see "Pale Horse", based on an Agatha Christie mystery, recently? The 1996 version with Ruth Madoc, Colin Buchanan, Jayne Ashbourne, Hermione Norris, and Leslie Phillips? I tried to watch it but could not get involved in the story, and falling asleep in the middle didn't help the continuity any!

On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed the DVD of "Pretend You Don't See Her" based on a Mary Higgins Clark mystery. It shows the difficulty of going into the Witness Protection Program. One seemingly obscure slip and the killer pounced like a spider on a fly. I tried to think what it would be like to have to completely reinvent myself in a strange city. It would be weird, like trying to have amnesia while still remembering all of your past life. Good movie. I didn't know there was a Mary Higgins Clark mystery series, but will see if the library has any more.

I often see the Mary Higgins Clark mysteries on the cable TV channel PAX. Also, one was on the Lifetime Channel this week. I think they have done a good job with her mysteries.

I finished Mumbo Gumbo by Jerrilyn Farmer. I really enjoyed it.

Finally have gotten around to the Donna Andrews.. "Creeping Buzzard, etc". I am enjoying it more than the Puffins one. She is somewhat uneven, but it is still fun. I am also getting ready to try book two in the Stephanie Plum series. I originally listened too all of them, but had never read the books. Decided to go ahead and do that. I find that the audio tapes had tightened the plot very nicely indeed. But the books are just as much fun.

I've missed the first one but just read books two and three and have four waiting for me from the library. They are amusing but a little MUCH as well. The Lulu character is a driving force leading Steph into all sorts of disaray. The use of another character to do this is probably common. I see it in the J.D.Robb series to in the person of the assistant or trainee. I don't know if I'll get through many more of them. It depends on the library. I wouldn't buy them. . . .Claire

I am just beginning a book by David Baldacci, "Split Second". It appears to be as exiting as the previous book I read by him, "The Simple Truth", so I am looking forward to it. As a previous reviewer wrote about him, "Baldacci excels at creating really good guys and putting them at risk". In "Split Second", it is how the careers of two Secret Service agents careers were ruined in a split second in a time of crisis.

I have David Baldacci's Split Second on one of my 'To Read' shelves. His Last Man Standing was a very good read.

I have had Arthur Upfield on my to-read list for a long time, due to seeing him recommended here. I'd never been able to find any of his books... until last week.

FOUR of them turned up in the library bookstore [donated books for sale cheap] where I volunteer! I snatched them up and have already read the oldest one, Murder Down Under. It was an easy read and refreshing change as to narrative style and setting. These take place in Australia in the 30s.

I too, recommend them but have to wonder if they are out of print?

You can usually find Upfield in used book stores. Dontknow if they are still in print however.

Just finished "Something to Kill for" by Susan Holtzer. I like the way she rounds out her characters. This was her first book published in 1994 and I'm looking forward to reading the others.

I read everything Arthur Upfield wrote many years ago. I loved the way he made the outback come to life and his hero, Bony. I would enjoy rereading those books, so will look for them.

Next time you're in your library look in their copy of Bowker's Books in Print in the Reference Section and see if any of Upfield's books are still in print, if you are really interested. Bowker's Books in Print has an on-line site but you have to be registered and have a password to search their files--which I don't. Every library should have a hard copy or a password to their site. A staff member will be glad to help you.

I'm reading Baldacci's "The Simple Truth" now. It's a great read. The kind you can't put down. Has anyone here read "The Christmas Train"? I've been thinking of getting it. After I read "The Winner" someone here in Portland, Oregon became a huge lottery winner and I couldn't help wonder IF...after reading Baldacci's book.

Scrawler,

I have The Christmas Train. I haven't read it yet. I wonder whether it's good or bad.

Your description of Upfield's work reminds me of Harold Adams' work. His Carl Wilcox is a Depression era sign-painter in South Dakota. A listing of the series and 2 stand alone books are at Harold Adams. Adams has you feeling the baron openess of the land.

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OK. We have our "Janet Evanovich party" tonight. We all have to make up "what if" questions. Any Ideas?

I"m finishing up my third evanovich right now it's the number four one with SALLY who is such a hoot and sugar who I thinkj is capable of collecting fingers and a scalp . . .he just doesn't have enough to do. But I don't know yet. back later on that . how do we do the party thing? . . .claire

I would love to participate in a Janet Evanovich party. I have very much enjoyed her books. Haven't read the last few, so it is time. If we have a party, we could each choose to come as one of her characters as our screen name.

A Janet Evanovich party sounds like fun.

What if Grandma Mazur gets a man friend?

This was something my daughter and her neighbor cooked up: an actual face-to-face party, not a virtual one. We are going to meet in a few minutes, eat pot roast and pineapple upside-down cake, and ask each other "what if" questions about Stephanie and friends.

But it's a great idea to do one here. I'll be back later to tell you how it went.

Party over. I'm stuffed with a Plum-family meal of pot roast, mashed potatoes. and pineapple upside down cake. As a surprise, my daughter had obtained (with a great deal of trouble) packages of Stephanie's favorite snack, butterscotch crimpets. Neighbor Nikki had prepared a quiz, and I did "what if" questions. But I never got an answer to the first one -- if you were Stephanie, would you go for Morelli or ranger?

No question that some day Stephanie and Morelli will settle down and make new members of the "Berg", but not just now. I would fit in a quick thing with Ranger, but I think that Morelli might just catch her at it and then life would be ugly indeed. She depends on Morelli much more than she likes to admit.

I've got first dibs on Ranger.

He's every woman's fantasy, isn't he? The "forbidden fruit"--the guy you know you shouldn't touch with a ten foot pole but the one you just can't resist.

But, in the end, Morelli will be the ONE, though it will be a riotous marriage. How many Sunday dinners can she go through with Morelli's family and Grandma Morelli who has the "eye"?

Ithink that Grandma Mazur and Grandma Morelli will decide their fate anyway. Yes Ranger is all of us good little girls mad secret dream. I date a bad boy once briefly hundreds of years ago.. Not nearly as much fun as I thought, but my bad boy was also not terribly bright and Ranger is.

I think most of us can look back and remember a "bad boy" in our past, Stephanie. Mine was more muscle than brains, too.

the only problem with morelli is that he's a cop and they die young. Nope I think Ranger is more interesting . . .and then there are probaby other possibilities as well. Stephanie is very young she has lots of time. Morelli is the usual and ranger is the unusual and I'm neither. . . Claire

About the "bad boy", unfortunately, I married him. He was brilliant, but flawed. We had beautiful, intelligent children together, however.

WOW! Am I the only one not attracted to Ranger? Maybe I really AM getting old!

know what's good for you. Obviously the rest of us like to dream about living dangerously. If you aren't attracted to Ranger, then who is high on your fantasy list?

I cannot imagine in the burg, that Stephanies parents and friends would be impressed with Ranger. North Jersey is not into ethnic very much.

Do you mean ethnic diversity? Because he's Cuban? If so, you are definitely right on that. A lot of raised eyebrows and clucking tongues in the burg over that, I should think!

I have been picking up likely looking books on the 'Free shelf' at the library to take with me when I go to the doctor, etc. That way, if I lose it I am out nothing but knowing how it ended. The latest one is "Legwork" by Katy Munger. It is set in Raleigh, NC, and the language of the main character, an unofficial PI named Casey Jones, is earthier than I felt was actually necessary. It was mildly interesting, but I would not go so far at to recommend it, even though Janet Evanovich is quoted on the cover: "Casey Jones joins the ranks of smart and gutsy heroines. The South will never be the same. Dont miss her!" It did pass the time in the doctor's office.

I have come to like the edgy books and characters. I can no longer enjoy cozy. Don't know if the two are related.

I am just finishing up David Baldacci's "Split Second". It is about Secret Service agents, two of whom are distracted from their job for seconds which ruins their careers. I also visited his web site. He is much involved in a charity helping with literacy which he supports.

www.david-baldacci.com

I guess I should read this since it is set in the place where I live but I'm not into "edgy" books very much. But this quote from K. Munger's Web Page made me laugh because, believe me, it is soooooo true.

"And although the series takes place in the South, it is the new South i.e., a region where traditional Southern culture and new Northern influences are struggling to co-exist." and do they ever struggle!

GoldenStatePoppy I also prefer sedgy' stories. It has been a while since I read a cozy. I have enjoyed

Robert B. Parker

Lee Child

Earl W. Emerson

Jermiah Healy

Jack Higgins

Linda Howard

Sharyn McCrumb

Janet Evanovitch

Vicki Hinze

Lawrence Block

James Patterson

Sue Grafton

Greg Loomis

Karen Robards

and many more

I have read 'The Songcatcher' by Sharyn McCrumb. I loved it. I want to read her series.

I have read 'Open Season' by Linda Howard. I haven't read any others by her. I keep meaning to check our or pick up 'Mr Perfect.'

I am tempted to try a James Patterson. I have never read any of his books.

Gaj, thanks so much for your list. I have added several to my "to read" list. I continue with my list on a spreadsheet and write my opinion of the author, then order a batch of the authors I want to try, as used books from Amazon.

I like... edgy..... cozy..... pi's....indians... serial killers...and some, but only some courtroom types. I am not into medical type mysteries or the mysteries that are really romance novels in disguise.

I do love cozies too. I am edging out in to other edgier mysteries. Gaj, I should say thank you for the list too.

Hats,

You might like Patterson's first few books, but he has tended to deteriorate in the last few (IMHO). Just trying to make a buck now. This happens with a lot of authors lately. But, don't let me discourage you. I sometimes think that I have read so much, it takes a real blockbuster to impress me anymore. Still love my mysteries/detective novels though, even if I can usually figger who dun it early on!

Tomereader,

Thanks for the warning!!

I have a mystery to recommend too... it's an easy read. The friend I borrowed it from compared it to Nancy Drew but I wouldn't go that far! <LOL> It's got some interesting plot twists, especially at the end. See if you can figure it out!

Oh yeah, the title... The Inheritance by Tom Savage

James Patterson used to be fun, but oh me did he branch out into weird and conspiracies. I rarely can finish one of his nowadays. My husband still likes him. I am not fond of conspiracy fiction.

I might not understand conspiracy fiction. That's why I like cozies. I can understand what's happening.

something like agatha Christies books. I find them slow reading , better as movies James North Patterson writes ghoulish stuff or am I mixing him up with James Patterson. anyhow I find it a bit "too much" for me to finish. . . .claire

I would have to agree with you, tomreader, I loved the first few books of James Patterson, but recently his books haven't been the same. I read some where that he has others do his research and writing and he just comes up with the ideas. I think that this might account for the difference in his writing. That and the fact that he seems to be concentrating on the relationships of his characters rather than the mystery.

I think James North Patterson writes courtroom drama. James Patterson writes weird stuff. Isn't he the one that writes about the children with wings?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please!

James Patterson wrote the book "When the Wind Blows" which was about a scientific experiment that went wrong. Scientists were attempting to develop people with wings and who were egg laying. They had terrible gruesome accidents along the way in what developed. The surviving children were beautiful and brilliant and a brother and sister escaped from the laboratory.

I found this book to be quite moving. Makes me want to read it again. It certainly is different from the usual murder mystery, but I liked it. It is sort of like a combination science fiction/mystery.

James Patterson has written several books about the winged children. As always however the government is always the baddies. He also writes about a Washington detective and also some women in California who solve crimes. He is also writing some more on other themese. He seems to use a lot of people and does the double name stuff. They are not particularly good. His Detective from Washington DC was the original books. They used to be good, but they have deteriorated into really gruesome types.

I had never heard of the 'winged children'. I read one of his re. the women friends of San Francisco; the relationships were more important than the story. Which is okay. There was a second author listed, however, and I suspect this is another one of those where he comes up with the basic idea and someone else actually does the writing. The idea being, I suppose, that the Patterson name will sell the book.

Babi

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Since you loved "The Songcatcher", Hats, you will probably like the other Nora Bonesteel books. I liked the first three even more: The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter, She Walks These Hills, and The Rosewood Casket. As I recall, Nora Bonesteel herself played a larger role in the first three, and she is the person I like a lot. Sharyn McCrumb also writes a series about Elizabeth MacPherson, a forensic anthropologist. I liked the first few, but got bored with the character and the stories and quit reading them. However, I will read a Nora Bonesteel any time.

I really enjoyed "Cop Out" by Susan Dunlap. It is the tenth in her Jill Smith series. The previous couple of books were rather draggy and I was pleased to see that Dunlap has picked up the pace again. The series is set in Berkeley and Jill Smith is a cop who bounces back and forth between patrol and detective because she is a maverick who gets an idea and runs with it even when it gets her into trouble with her captain. I like her style, and I like the setting having gone to the University.

I love the Nora Bonesteel novels. They are some of my favorite stories.

Nora.. Oh I want to be Nora.. She is a most interesting woman. Like Perkie, I tired of the other series.. A little too too by the end. But the Legend series with Nora and other mountain people is just wonderful.

I was interested in the discussion about mysteries that are 'edgy'. I'm not sure I understand what an edgy mystery really is, but have the feeling that the Mary Crow series fits. In both "In the Forest of Harm" and "Darker Justice" the stories are very complex, filled with people doing evil things to other people, and other people, including Mary, doing heroic things to stop them. The fact that they are set in Atlanta and the North Georgia Appalachians makes them even more interesting. I sure am glad I didn't run into any of the evil people when I was hiking the Appalachian Trail, lo those many years ago. It is probably not absolutely necessary to read them in order, but there are references in "Darker Justice" that are more understandable if you have already read "In the Forest of Harm".

By checking the audio book shelf and not my reading list, I managed to skip from Jeffrey Deaver's first Lincoln Rhyme mystery to the seventh and latest. "The Twelfth Card" has an interesting plot that seemed to end and then another twist popped up and the story was off on a slight different tack. By the end of the story I felt like I knew the main characters, and liked most of the good guys. It is set in New York City but the main mystery goes back 140 years into the past. The criminologist on the case is Lincoln Rhyme, a quadriplegic with an active mind and lots of resources,

I just made a note of those two series. am skipping through evanovitch now from the library and missing number seven, but I suppose it doesn't matter. I'll check into those also. I like EDGY. . . . .Claire

"In the Forest of Harm" was definitely edgy. It was difficult to put down. I am eager to read more of her books now, but am plowing through a stack of second-hand books that I ordered from Amazon.

I just finished John Sandford's book "Broken Prey". It had too much blood and gore which seemed to me to be gratuitous. I was disappointed.

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Edgy.. try Minette Walters. It will drive you nuts and she rarely ends a book completely. Also Anna Salter.. whew.. she is just great, although writes slowly so there are not very many. Abigail Padgett.. she will make you jump and think. I am reading a Harlen Coben that my husband recommended to me. I had read his sports agent series, but this one is about a murder and kidnapping and is at this point really bewildering, but good.

I agree, Stephanie, that Minette Walters should be added to the Edgy Mysteries list. Each is different and engrossing. Just out of curiosity, I looked up edgy mystery writers on Amazon and came up with the following authors on their ' Edgy Mysteries When U Like It Real Not Cozy' website: Andrea Camilleri, Sarah Caudwell, Michael Dibdin, Helen Dunmore, Mo Hayder, Patricia Highsmith, Henning Mankell, Magnus Mills and Jose Saramago. I have read a couple of Camilleri's works but don't remember them as being particularly edgy. And I read Highsmith so long ago her name doesn't appear on my reading list and I don't remember her at all. I have no idea if any of the others is worth reading.

One of my favorite series is not edgy but is so well written that I pounce on the next one on the new book shelf. It it the Thomas and Charlotte Pitt series by Anne Perry, set in Victorian England. Each book has a street or area of London as its title, and the latest, also the 24th, is "Long Spoon Lane". It is not essential to read them in order, and 24 is a daunting number if you want to start on them, but the growth of the relationships made it worth while to me. Of course, I started when the series was new and have lived through good and bad times with them.

Indeed, Perkie. Anne Perry is one I also read faithfully and I have yet to tire of her. That's not something I can say of most authors so prolific.

Babi

I found M.C. Beaton's latest Agatha Raisin, "The Perfect Paragon". Can't wait to get started. It took me awhile to begin to like Agatha but now I enjoy reading about her. This new one sounds good. I'll start it this afternoon, if housework doesn't get in my way. 8-(

Phyll, you should NEVER let housework (especially, but really anything else) get in the way of reading!

once in awhile you have to kick a path through the house just to find the kitchen! I do get hungry now and then.

Well, there is that.......

If we could only hook up a gizmo so we could have a mystery book open in front of us while we do housework. Sigh.

I like Anne Perry a lot, too, although her latest have been disappointing. Somehow, I never took to Agatha Raisin.

Since I have to do Thanksgiving for the family this year, I am trying to shop and clean( at least a little). I am however reading a Lisa Scottoline.. Another one about Mary and her search for Italian-Americans being put in camps in WWII, I was amazed since I truly believed it was strictly a west coast oriental thing. Good book.

I'D RATHER BE READING!

what's that. i've got a dozen books going. . . read most of scottoline and finishing up last stephanie plum adventure. . .my once every six weeks crew was hear yesterday.the house is hapy and so am I.

JoanK - I always play books on tape, checked out of the library, while I'm doing housework and cooking. I also take them with me on my morning walk. Can walk five miles and not even be aware of it.

Saramago on a mystery writers list???? I absolutely love Saramago's books. But mysteries???

MOrning walk... Every other day is audio tapes. The other day is news, just in case..Then the gym is always audio tapes. Exercise is truly boring, but necessary. Sigh. Finished the Lisa Scottoline.. Excellent. Some of her are really good. She is a good researcher or hires someone good. I honestly did not know that Italians who were not citizens were sent to campsl.. At least the males were, I would guess not the females.

STEPHANIE: I liked that one too, one of her best. I didn't know that either, and I'm half Italian.

CLAIRE: I like your approach to housework!!

I am reading a recent book by Margaret Truman, "Murder at Union Station". She is an excellent writer and this book, like her others is centered in Washington, DC politics. A former mobster, who has been in protective custody, returns to the capitol, which sets off a series of events. I am about one-half the way through, so don't yet know the out come, but the journey is certainly exciting.

I, too, just finished a Margaret Truman one..Murder at the Washington Tribune. Another enjoyable journey, as GSP said of the one she's reading.

jane

I l ike the Margaret Truman series. Have not read one in several years. Will have to catch up.

Just finished Kellerman's Twisted and it was not as good as some others I have read. No Milo which I miss.

Like you, I liked Milo.. But Robin.. hmm, in some ways I am glad she is gone. She never seemed happy at all. But I liked the dog.

I liked the dog too and the guy he always turned to for help I love those books.

I've read some of the Margaret Truman's but not "Murder in Union Station". Does she tell you the Union Station joke? (We Washington natives know thee things. I'll let you in if you don't tell). '''

Union Station, THE Washington train station is very elaborate, with lots of decorations and statuary. It has high ceilings, and the plan called for statues of Roman soldiers to be placed high up, just under the ceiling. But when the sculptor finished the statues, the official in charge was angry, because they were nude. He insisted that the sculptor add Roman uniforms to them.

Roman soldiers uniforms had short skirts, like kilts. The sculptor was angry, but he complied. However, under the skirts, he carved the soldiers in their full glory, with no underwear. If you stand under the statues and look up, this is what greets you.

I thought the guard was going to arrest us, the last time I showed a friend this phenomena. We were laughing so hard, we couldn't stop. But when I showed him what we were looking at, he called the other guards over, and when I left, all the guards were looking up and laughing.

NOw thats funny. I have certainly been in Union Station, but never ever knew that. Gorgeous building and since I love trains, a neat place to go.

Isn't it funny, too, that the Union Station guards had probably worked there for many years, yet never looked up high enough to spot the sculptors revenge. There's a mystery for you...how we can pass the same place for years, and never really look beyond what is right in front of our eyes.

Babi, Since my husband worked for venture capitol people and we moved a lot to where they wanted him,, we lived in a lot of places.. I was always surprised to discover that although we thought of ourselves as tourist and really examined what was available, that people who have lived there their whole lives never bothered. I know when we were on Long Island and we went to the Statue of Liberty, I did not find a single neighbor who had ever been there. Go.. it is magnificent.. Its like the Cloisters,, next to the busiest city and yet a haven of calm and peace.. Amazing.

STEPHANI: you are so right. Most of the visits I've made to the "sights" of Washington were when I was showing around an out of town guest.

Now I laugh at my daughter who lives within walking distance of the ocean, but never goes there except when I visit. I made them take me on the drive up the coast road from LA the first time I came (an incredible ride), and my SIL who spent most of his life in LA had never seen it.

But I did go to the Statue of Liberty when I lived in New York. Have you read the Nevada Barr mystery that takes place there?

Yes, I like the statue of Liberty book by Barr, although the hospital island has no visiters. Not permitted, I understand. I would think that the rangers at the Statue of Liberty would love their work. The chief lives on the island.. I grew up in Delaware, but it took marriage and living away to make me go back and look at all of the revolutionery war stuff and beautiful houses and state buildings. Dover, Delaware is the capitol and has the most beautiful state buildings in all of the US.. They are done on green areas and are so very lovely. Started reading a MC Beaton.. I like her in very small doses.. AGatha sort of gets to me. The ego is such a problem.

STEPHANIE, the Cloisters is a place I have long wanted to visit. The whole idea of the Cloisters just captures my imagination. I don't know if I'll ever make another trip up there, but if I do, the Cloisters is going to the top of my 'gotta-go' list.

Babi

The Cloister are like being in another continent entirely. It is filthy outside and we dispaired on what was going on, but the inside is still just as wonderful. We visited it for the last time about 7 years ago. The streets leading up to it, were all torn up , but that is normal for NY..Inside.. quiet and peaceful and sort of holy. They have a solarium in there and of course the tapestries. I just wish they could take better care of the grounds. They could be just as glorious and I can remember in the 70's they were a wonderful picnic area.

"Liberty Falling" is one of my least favorite of the Anna Pigeon series by Nevada Barr. I admit to being prejudiced in favor of the Parks that are in the Southwest! I remember climbing the stairs to the head of the Statue of Liberty with my Girl Scout troop from Atlanta. We were very disappointed that we were not allowed up in the torch.

I have just gotten around to trying Julia Spencer-Fleming's series with Reverend Clare Fergusson and Chief of Police Russ Van Alystyne in Millers Kill, New York. A Kill is a small river, named by early Dutch settlers. Thank you for mentioning it, Tomereader. I started with the first one, as you suggested, and found it to be engrossing, with good description and well developed characters. Neither edgy or cozy, just good, solid mystery.

How did i miss out on the Ranger v Joe Morelli discussion??? Guess i was so busy reading and talking about Story of Civ and Audubon, that i didn't come here for a while. Plus i had three baby blankets to finish - the younger generation is exploding!

I think both of these guys have a "bad boy" aura, of course, Joe is a little more acceptable because he might be the marrying kind - IMO Ranger will have to be incapacitated and needing a nurse before he gets married. Of course, Eve did inspire Rourke - in the J.D. Robb series - so maybe Ranger will have to marry her to keep her out of Joe's bed permenantly!!!!Either marriage would lend itself to hilarity. Bring it on Janet!

It's ironic, i came in to say that on Thanksgiving i turned on two young women guests to Evanovich. My niece was here and i couldn't believe that she had never heard me raving about Stephanie and Grandma, Joe and Ranger. I tell everyone i talk to about books that they have to read Evanovich. Another young woman who was staying overnight started reading "Three......" and came downstairs the next morning to say she had been up half the night, she couldn't put the book down! So, i know what to buy them for C-mas!......jean

I just finished an Evanovich book, "Ten Big Ones". I laughed out loud throughout most of the book. One of the funny things was the woman who went on a low carb diet which caused her to hold up a Frito-Lay truck to eat all of the Fritos. Or the cross-dressing bus driver who planned Stephanie's sister's wedding. The choice between Joe and Ranger is left up in the air. Both are amused by the chaos that seems to follow Stephanie around. I can't help but wonder how many of these characters are based on relatives of the author.

relatives. If you've ever been to New Jersey it could be anyone you ever met there. Believe me. New Jersey is a great state in many ways but there are parts of it that these books capture completely true to life. She's fun to read but even more fun if you know New Jersey. For instance, everytime she mentions a "jug handle" I fall apart but I suspect there are a lot of people who have never been to NJ who have no idea what a "jug handle" is.

I live in Moorestown, NJ which is about 45 minutes south of Trenton. I'm so used to the jughandles that i never tho't about how esoteric it was when i was reading it, but the young woman who started reading "Three...." was new to the area this week-end. She said to my son, "don't we have to go over there, you've missed the turn" then "why are you turning to the right, we need to go left!" LOL.

I'm sure that one of the reasons i love JE is the locale and knowing exactly where and what she is talking about. In fact, "Chambersburg" Trenton is named for an ancestor of mine! Having said that, I think her dialogue is just so good that it translates anywhere.

Poppy - Think how good it is for your health to read JE, all that laughter, we'll be alive when we're 102, just from laughing at Stephanie and Grandma........jean

I give up, what's a 'jug handle'?

Yes, yes... what's a "jug handle???" Inquiring minds need to know.

Yes, I've read all 11 of the Stephanie Plum books, and never noticed "jug handle". What is it?

I lived three years in south Jersey.. A jug handle.. If you want to turn left on a major road, there will be a cup handle type semicircle on the right side. You turn right and it turns you around so you go left in a straight line. Actually a very useful road, but only in Jersey as far as I know. I agree that The Jersey part of the series feels very true, although Evanovich lives in New Hampshire. I love Stephanie Plum, but the other series she writes is simply very ho hum and yet I laugh my way through every single Plum..

Sounds like what we call a cloverleaf.

I wondered what they were also. Here in Texas, they are called "turnarounds".

Mary

It accomplishes the same thing but it is different. Much smaller than a wide sweeping cloverleaf. With a cloverleaf you generally go through the turn and curve back around but with a jug handle you take it before you come to the turn. Plan ahead!

Picture the handle on an old-fashioned jug. Now if you are driving down the major highway and you want to make a left turn across oncoming traffic you have to first find a jug handle and turn right, curve around on the jug handle until you are facing the direction you wanted to turn (left) and then you can move straight across the major road through a traffic light. Much safer than turning through oncoming traffic really but it is confusing if you don't know Jersey and its jug handles. And if the traffic is heavy it can build up in the jug handles and you can get the single finger salute if you don't move along quickly.

My son lived in Freehold and neighboring area for many years and we drove through NJ from NY many times. Also we had some good friends who loaned us their summer cottage in Avalon in southern NJ for a couple of years. That is truly a beautiful part of the state.

We have those here, too - sort of a half-cloverleaf, but that's a new term to me. We don't have a specific name for it. I love "regionalisms". They make our language so rich!

Oh my goodness - now I know what are Jug handles! When we were in NJ we were so confused by them, lol!

I loved the jug handles, once I knew to look before the intersection. That took some practice. The other traffic that always baffled me was in Massachusetts.. The traffic circles, now those things were made to kill.. Whew.. scary things indeed.

We have at least one here in Kansas City - it is a killer! Scary, scary!!

Washington, DC is the home of traffic circles. They are the terror of visitors. They were built into the original city plan as points where the army could defend the city against an invading army, but now they are a traffic nightmare. And they are becoming fashionable in the suburbs. I couldn't believe it -- they took a perfectly good nearby intersection and made it into a nightmare of a traffic circle. We have to navigate it to get to the local bookstore. What we won't do for books!!

are called "round-abouts" and everyone is going the "wrong way"! Now that is really scary!

Phyll, my notion is if I'm in a country that drives on the other side of the road, I got no business driving! Some nice taxi driver who calls me "Luv" is far preferable.

Babi

I agree with you now but when I was much younger it was the challenge of driving in Britain that was fun. And I liked being called LUV, too. Better than what some American cabbies might call you, right?

I wouldn't know, PHYLL. I stopped using American taxis when they became more expensive, mile for mile, than bus, train or plane!

Babi

Luv is fine. I'm not quite sure about "ducks".

I love taxis in England.. I refuse to drive, but we take the train a good deal of the time and love it. I like luv,ducks and anything else they want to call me. The Brits and Scots and Welsh are fun and friendly and I love visiting their country. Just now it tends to be sort of expensive, but still fun.

I am into another mystery by Janet Evanovich, "Metro Girl". I don't find it as enjoyable as her Stephanie Plum series, but still worth reading.

This is the one where Roarke finds out about his Mother's story.

I think Robb (Roberts') best character portrayals are Eve Dallas and Roarke. They have every behavior and feeling of human beings and yet are distinct, and they feel like someone I'd like to know. They are strong, heroic, idealized (what woman wouldn't want a Roarke in her life?) characters and yet vulnerable in the way many of us are. I don't get tired of reading their stories......jean

I l ike the JD Robb series very much, but dont like Nora Roberts other books. Not sure why, everyone is still too too beautiful, but somehow real in their feelings. Weird.

I'vebeen reading the evanovich stephanie plum series and it strikes me that RANGER is very similar to Roarke in the J.D. Robb series. . . .Claire

you are right about Ranger and Roarke. But I somehow feel Ranger is more dangerous/elusive/ba-a-ad. Maybe that's because of the "black"accoutrements - clothes, cars, etc. and his disappearing and re-appearing unexpectedly, but Roarke could probably do that to - if he and Eve weren't married. I have missed reading the book where they meet and court and marry. Does anyone know what the title of that book is?........jean

I just finished reading David Baldacci"s "The Christmas Train." It was a wonderful read.

Here's a description of the novel: "Disillusioned journalist Tom Langdon must get from Washington, D.C., to LA in time for Christmas. Forced to travel by train, he begins a journey of rude awakenings, thrilling adventues, and holiday magic. He has no idea that the locomotives pulling him across America will actually take him into the rugged terrain of his own heart, as he rediscovers people's essential goodness and someone very special he believed he had lost. David Baldacci's "The Christmas Train" is filled with memorable characters who have packed their bags with as much wisdom as mischief...and shows how we DO get second chances to fulfill our deepest hopes and dreams, especially during this season of miracles."

As always, Baldacci creates some memorable characters and tells a great story.

My to-read list is vastly out of control.....more time......more time, that's what i want for Christmas!!!.....jean

whatever is handy and bits of it stored all over the place. oh well claire

finished Dinah McCall Bloodlines another good one. She keeps you turning the pages.

Whew! Jug handles! ...strange! Traffic circles... fearsome! We have the latter here in the northwest too, but they tend to be small, involving a crossroads, merely. What I like best are the 4-way stops. Do you all in other states have those?

I've read two good whodunits lately... Michael Connelly's latest, The Lincoln Lawyer and Stephen White's Missing Persons. The second one is perhaps a bit much into psychology but I thought it was interesting.

I like both Connely and White, so will look for them. The JD Robb meeting and wedding is in the first of the books. Look at the list. It will be the first one. I am reading a book from the used book store .. Something about Rose Rent.. A first effort by the author and it shows big time. Still the premise is interesting. Just not too well done. Ranger.. He just glitters danger, but is actually much more of a gentleman than first portrayed. He seems to regard Stephanie as Morellis woman, but keeps pushing that they should reach a decision or he will get more involved. An interesting premise for the dangerous person that he is portrayed as.

"Whew! Jug handles! ...strange! Traffic circles... fearsome!"

Yes, but do any of you have OCTOPUSES?

When we used to visit the town of Cornell, N.Y., we had to navigate the Octopus. It was a place where eight roads come into a large open space. There is no structure -- you come in and cut across the space in whatever direction you need to get to your outlet road. It's very busy, with cars cutting across in all directions -- really fearsome.

Octopus.. Whew. That sounds scary indeed. Much remember not to get near them.

Don't you wonder how many bottles of "whatever" these highway engineers consume before they sit down to design these horrendous road systems? My constant wish is that they all spend eternity driving over their own designed highways and NEVER finding the exit ramp. My idea of the perfect purgatory!

And add to the list of jug handles, traffic circles, and the octopus...those insane restricted lanes in and around Washington DC that are restricted only some times and some days and who can figure out when? Sheesh!!!

I believe the Brother Cadfael series also had a book titled "The Rose Rent", STEPHANIE. And I'm fairly sure I've run across stories before in which some house/cottage/whatever was paid for with a token annual rose. Obviously, a popular theme.

Babi

My big hope is that all traffic engineers are condemned to try and navigate the interstate combination around Hartford, Ct. the rest of their lives. You have to cross six lanes of traffic in about 2 miles to get from one interstate to another. Scary as all get out. Hartford is a neat town, but the interstate is pure murder. The Rose rent is a popular theme, I agree. This one is moving slowly.. The town is in Pennsylvania and supposedly in Amish country, but I would wonder if the authors research wasnt a little lacking. She makes the little town people sound ignorant and the heroine a bit of a snob..Still struggling with the book, but would not read another by this author.. She needs to work harder.

I finished Evanovich's "Two For the Dough". There's not too much of a plot, but the characters are some you wouldn't want to miss. Grandma Mazur alone is worth the reading. And our heroine's parents are so real. I would love to be invited to dinner at that house!

Babi

I just KNEW we would get you hooked on Evanovich! Hee! Hee! And the plot thickens (as they say) as you go on through the series. I'm re-reading To The Nines since I had read it out of context. Now that I have gone back and read all of the books in order this one falls into place a little better. I have Ten.... and Eleven.... waiting on my bedside table.

I agree that Grandma Mazur is the best. She is what I want to be when I grow up.

I've read through ten and am getting kinda tired of everyone except maybe lula. . . is eleven in paperback? didn't find it at library and had to buy ten from exchange store. . . enjoyed it all. . . claire

Like you I read and listened out of sequence, so I bought 1-10 on ebay and am up to 9 in sequence. Dont think 11 is in paperback just yet. I finished. Death Pays the Rose Rent.. by Valerie S. Malmont..First book and it shows. Just tries to cover too much and lets the heroine get away with all sorts of improbable things. Dont think I would read any more of hers.

less good than the first three, but she gets back in stride, I can't remember which story was in which number after four.......I'm going back to start at one - when i get thru my 6 foot long to-read list that i've acquired from hanging around w/ you people here at SN....my bookcase gets fuller and my list gets longer......LOL....well, it's supposed to snow some more here tomorrow night, maybe i'll be snowed in on Tues and can get some reading done. It just happens that my son is visiting this week, so that means i don't have to do any snow shoveling - just make soup and hot chocolate, I can read while i do that!!

.....jean

I love, love Evanovich. It's impossible to read her books without laughing. She is just too funny! I am ready to start High Five.

I like the way she introduces a new character every once in a while and then proceeds to involve them in such a funny way. Her sister who started out as the perfect child is now a poster child for dysfunctional and very very funny with it.. The boyfriend.. Kloughn.. is truly a wanna be in the best possible way. The only character I would see fleshed out a bit more is Morelli. He is sort of a one note ( sexy) character.. Let us see some more of him.

Kloughn! I assumed we are to pronounce it "clown"......you agree?...jean

O h yes, clown it is.. Part of the sly humor involved with her. I am rereading the 9 and discover in there, some extra clues with Joe.. The house is reflecting him more and more. He is more domestic in a lot of ways that Stephanie.

Just read Anne Perry's new book "A Christmas Guest". A small book and an enjoyable couple of hours reading. It's main character is the "vinegar-tongued" Grandmama from the Charlotte and Thomas Pitt series. A Christmas book but good for any season.

had me for a while but EVE is one bad tempered btch compared with our stephanie and I got fed up with her. . . .claire

Eve is interesting, but her aide and now assistant is even more interesting. I sort of skip the hot sex thing in the series. Seems unnecessary, but romance writers seem to feel you must tell all. I think I prefer Stephanie, who draws a sort of fine line.. You get before and after, but not much during.. Suits me better. I am not a graphic person.

I think that Eve's history makes her very cautious about attaching to others. She puts out a hard, bitchy, surface, but i see her as kind of a likeable curmudgeon. I like the relationship between her and Peabody. I like that Peabody has respect for, but no fear of Eve and gives as good as she gets, albeit in a teasing manner. I sense a little smile inside Eve even when she's "threatening" Peabody. Stephanie is certainly a more approachable, friendly, funny character,but i like the banter conversations that Robb gives Eve.

I agree about the sex scenes, I like Evanovich's approach.

Have you noticed that for NYC Robb has almost no ethnic characters in the books? In fact, the names are largely English/Irish. Seemed curous to me, can that be by chance? Do authors do anything by chance?

Do you agree or disagree that Eve and Roarke are Robert's best characterizations? I'm reading the first of an "in the garden' trilogy, the book title is Blue Dahlia, picked it up at the library used book sale. It's o.k, but it's not Robb. It's very interesting to me how authors can have various voices/styles in different books. Evanovich's other books are not as entertaining as the S Plum stories.

Roberts must have a fascination w/ the supernatural, this one has a ghost in the house and i read two of her "key" trilogy which had supernatural aspects. Has anybody ever heard her talk about that? ....jean

Eve an Roarke are essential but plastic. Peabody is lively and entertaining as is her boy friend. I like best the placement in time with the new technologies in daily use. imagine vertical flight through the crowded streets of new york. as for ethnic character, doesn't eve have n African American friend who runs a bar in a bad area of town. . .I forget it's been a while. as I said, I understand eves heart, I just don't like her personal expression o fit. .she's grouchy in an uncomfortable way. Stephanie gets tired and grouchy but she's cute about it. . .both have sidekicks with more interesting speech patterns than theirs and steps self talk is three quarters of the book and boring after a while when she's being JUST TOO CUTE.

it's light reading. . .meant to be and a one day read for me.

I've got a book going right now, a long novel called THE OTHER BOLEYN GIRL, ANN IS SLIGHTLY YOUNGER SISTER. . .told by her in the first person, her crush on Henry (the eighth) her marriage at thirteen to a young nobleman whom she loves and it's required end when at fourteen Henry is attracted to her, the families delight, because even if she has a bastard boy by Henry he will be heir to the throne and they much more powerful at court. the court culture and politics SHOWN, not TOLD through these lives is compelling. Now that's a GOOD book, but takes me a lot longer to finish. . . .Claire

Another author that writes mysteries set in 16th century times is Kathern Lynn Emerson. Her Face Down.... books are fun reads featuring 16th century gentlewoman sleuth Susanna, Lady Appleton. Web Site

I agree that Robb does not particularly use ethnic characters in the series. She does however use some interesting examples of how different life could become. I also like the slowly evolving story for both she and Roarke.. Their backgrounds are being very very slowly expanded upon. Stephanie on the other hand makes new friends and that is fun as well. Lula is beginning to wear on me. They have made her totally unreliable and that is not much fun as a friend. Silly, I sound like they are real and of course they are for the hours it takes to read the book. That is the gift that a good author gives to me.. Just think of Kate Shugak.. I feel as if I know her, the house, her friends, etc. The same with Amelia Peabody.. Of course I tend to identify with Amelia. She has so much more fun than most people. I am sure we all have examples of characters, who embody how we feel or do not feel about life.

I liked "The Other Boleyn Girl" also.

You're so right, Stephanie. Some of my favorite books are those with characters who say the things I would say, and share the same outlook. People...pardon, I mean characters, that I can identify with. Of course, I also appreciate those who make me sit up and think, "She/He's right! I never thought of it that way before." Eye-openers are very good for me. Keep me alert! :>)

Babi

to say

That's one of the reasons I like Stephanie and Eve.They're "quick" with good responses. But I also like the vulnerabilities of Eve and, in the last book i read, Roarke. He found out everything he had tho't about his mother was wrong and he didn't know what to do w/ that information. I loved it. And Eve is so strong on the job, but has her nightmares and fear to deal w/ at home.....jean

Have just started on a non mystery.. Memoirs of A Geisha.. Saw the previews in the movie and decided to go buy the book. Very interesting indeed and far far from any idea of the world that I have.

I hope you're enjoying this one, Stephanie. We loved it. And the author is from Chattanooga. We're going to a special premier of the movie here next Wednesday, with a talk by Arthur Golden. I'll send a review.

Thus far, I love Memoirs. Cannot imagine her world, but it rings true in the book.

I thought the book was very interesting. It is depressing to think of young girls forced into that life. Not clear how much of it is a memoir. It's based on a real geisha, but it is fiction.

I can't imagine how they'll do the movie. I'd love to see all the culture that's talked about (especially the kimono), but not all the sex.

Do you all know the mysteries about a Japanese American woman in Japan by Sujata Massey? The first one is "Zen Attitude".

for the movie was the subject of a special on tv the other night. it's very beautiful.

I suspect that the movie will be visually a treasure and will see it for that. No, I had not read any of the books on a woman in Japan and will put her on my very very long list.

Jan Grape in "AustinCity Blue". Just finished this. It is not a new book, but not that old. First try and she is good. Dont know is she written more, but will have to check since her first attempt was better than most first attempts.

I've written about Memoirs on other pages, but briefly, it is an incredibly beautiful movie. There is no way that a movie could capture all the rich detail that Golden puts in his great book. But John and I felt this movie can stand on its own - you just have to enjoy it without comparing it to the book. We don't remember ever seeing such a gorgeous movie - in every aspect - cinematography, sets, actors, etc. Worth seeing, in our opinion, and worth going to the theater to see it on the big screen.

The new Curious Minds' discussion: "The Patriot Act" is now open. Here is a link:
The Patriot Act

Bill H

Sue Grafton did it again with "S is for Silence". A few parts were a bit slow but in general, it was an excellent read.

I'm looking forward to December 29 when Michael McGarrity'a newest book "Nothing But Trouble" comes out.

Mary

Thanks for the heads-up, redbud. I'll keep a check on the library listings.

Lee Child has a new book. The Hard Way : a Jack Reacher novel. I have reserved it for Ray and will try to read it when he is finished reading it.

Working on a Karen Slaughter. Excellent mostly.

Oh boy! A new Sue Grafton. Thanks for telling us about it.

Not sure if this is in the "mystery" class but just want to mention that I saw the movie of "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" [the 4th of the series] this week. Other than the fact that these tales are getting "darker"... downright grim ... it's a great movie.

It was a good book, too.

Have read all of the Harry Potter books, but only saw the first movie. Need to ask for the others on a list or two.I just had a birthday and my husband had found on disc... Steed and Emma Peel.."The Avengers" Oh joy. I loved Emma, but never ever could have worn a cat suit.

I was a great Avengers fan. I would enjoy it on DVD. Will look in Acorn which has more of those DVDs that I like. I have a wish list, but it would cost thousands.

I have begun a 1999 book, "The Disappearance" by J.F.Freeman. I had not read his books although he has received high praise for previous mysteries, "Key Witness", "House of Smoke" and "Against the Wind". So far, I find it to be excellent.

I remember the traffic circles in DC very well. I think it took my mother 15 minutes to extricate herself from one during rush hour, and that was 60 years ago. There is one in Berkeley that I would like to avoid but don't because the alternative is winding through numerous small streets and frequently ending up in the tunnel that runs under the circle.

"California Fire and Life" by Don Winslow told me more about fires and how fire investigators work than I really wanted to know, and repeated it over and over. If I had a dime for every time the words "Fires burn up, not down" appeared, I could probably buy a mocha latte. With judicious skipping, and not thinking too hard about the Russian mafia and violence, it has a fairly good story line with a win some, lose some ending. How's that for damning with faint praise?

Can you believe a town near by is planning on putting in a traffic circle? I couldn't believe it!

On the run by Iris Johansen is waiting at the library.

ginny, we have two new ones here in Chattanooga - the first ones we've had. They've been put at problematic intersections, and seem to be working quite well. They're not in areas that I travel, so I haven't experienced them myself, though.

Wanted light nothings, so pulled out a James Patterson.."London Bridges". Good grief, does the man call it in. That was the biggest bunch of nothing I have ever seen. Patterson is now officially off my authors list. That was just flat out horrible. I know the man is popular, but let him at least write books with a plot and believable people.Boo.. My husband loves J.F. Friedman..I could never get into him, but Tim likes him very much.

I picked up three light mysteries from the library for leisure reading over the long weekend. I am presently engaged in following Miss Jane Austen around beautiful Derbyshire. I also have an Elizabethan mystery waiting, and one of those little mysteries that mixes mayhem with cookery.

Babi

I like the cookery type, but tried the Jane Austin series twice and just could not get involved. No idea why.

I have been reading the Bruce Alexander series, about the Blind Judge - called magistrate, and the boy he took in to help onto the straight and narrow.

Really enjoying them.

I have put in an interlibrary loan request on "Blind Justice" by Bruce Alexander, FrancyLou. Thanks for the recommendation.

I like the Jane Austen mystey series by Stephanie Barron, but can see how not everyone would. They move rather slowly and a bit stiffly.

D.I. Hardcastle and D.S. Marriott, of "Hardcastle's Armistice" by Graham Ison, reminded me a little of Inspector Morse and Sergeant Lewis. It was rather uneven reading, some parts dragging and others moving quickly, the latter enough to keep me going to the end. I doubt that I will try any others, but am not sorry I read this one.

The Devils Corner is a different set of characters than the aw office group but sounds great. I'll check with the library for it I've read most of her mysteries. They're all gripping and the characters well drawn.

I am continuing with J.F. Freedman's "The Disappearance". It is exciting and the main character, Luke Garrison, is quite human. He has made mistakes but acknowledges them and continues to his goal which is to find out who killed the 14-year-old daughter of a media mogul. A handsome TV newscaster is charged and it appears an open and shut case until Luke is persuaded to come out of retirement to defend him. I hope to read more of his books in the future. This one was published in 1998, so I suspect that he has more out since then.

I am slogging.. I mean really slogging, put it down three times already and picked up another book.. Sigh.. This is Metro Girl by Evanovich. I do so love Stephanie, but I am afraid Barney is a bit of not my type or something.

I am another Evanovich fan who didn't warm to Metro Girl. I enjoyed her number series, but nothing else of hers. She should stick to what she does well.

I just realized I'm behind in reading Jane Langton: she has a couple out that I haven't read. Just ordered "The Escher Twist". I love the artist Escher, so hope it's good.

I love him too. I hope Jane does a good job with her book. will look for it in the library first and then the exchange and lastly Amazon used and Amazon new etc. etc. I'm such a chinze lately. hate to buy anything I only read once. I don't re-read mysteries cause I already know the endings. . . .Claire

I got a used copy at Amazon for $2 plus postage: about $5. I do reread mysteries, and only buy them when I like the author enough to reread.

Are there 2 different authors writing these? I just finished one by Carrie Berberis (not sure if this is right). Jane and Darcy are married and solve a mystery based on characters from Sense and Sensibility. When I saw Perkie's post with a different author, I wondered. I liked this book, but it did seem a previous reading of Sense and Sensibility made it enjoyable. I think the title was Prescience and Sensibility but am not even sure of that. If I don't write it down, I forget almost immediately. That's why I often start re-reading something. I've forgotten the title and author. Sue

I feel the same, CLAIRE. I get most of my books from the library now. I don't want to spend money on books that I don't consider 'keepers', to be re-read someday. Don't have the space for them, either. Thank goodness for the public libraries!

Babi

When I visited my son while he was going to medical school in New York City (Columbia) I bought Stephanie Barron's Jane and the Unpleasantness at Scargrave Manor. It is the first of the Jane Austen Mysteries. I bought paperback copies of the first and second of the mysteries. Copyright 1997 (hardback 1996) I got to page 110 and stopped the first one. I will have to give them another try.

GinnyAnn, I haven't read any of Stephanie Barron's Jane Austen Mysteries, just the one by Carrie Berberis or Beberis. I'll check with my library online and see how to spell her name correctly. I think she's only written 2 of them. Sue

I have tried Stephanie Baron's Jane, but never saw the other. I buy most of my books from used book stores, making trades, so I pay very little, sometimes nothing, depending on the store. Then I retrade them, so it does not bother me to pay a bit. I have keepers, but those are mostly authors I feel strongly about. Also tends to be more science fiction than mysteries in the keeper category. I am finishing up the Metro Girl and it is improving as we go along. Not up to Stephanie, but her new friends are actually very funny. I would ditch the brother however.

I don't know if anyone here has mentioned the author "Stephen White". He writes psychological mysteries, in the vein of Kellerman. The main character is a psychologist, who often finds himself in the middle of a mystery, and must wrestle with "ethical/privacy issues" re his patients. I must warn, if you start one, plan on doing nothing else, as he is almost impossible to put down. His stock characters are his wife, a police detective and another psychologist friend. The latest one is 2005 "Missing Persons". I don't feel you need to read them in order, but if you're like me, you will. Enjoy!

Yes, there are two authors who write Jane Austen mysteries. I haven't read the Berberis yet. Are they good? I like Barron, but she is a little too heavy -- doesn't have Austen's wit.

There are also a zillion authors who write Austen sequels (not mysteries).

I like Stephen White. Have read most if not all of his stuff. They need to be read in sequence, since he starts out courting and eventually marries and then they have a child, so in sequence is best. Finished Metro girl and it really had a bang up ending. Not a Plum ending, but still much more acceptable than that other series, she wrote with someone else.

I liked the Beberis Jane Austen Mystery. I thought her writing style was similar to Miss Austen's--and found that very appealing. I've just read the one title, but she has written several more. Sue

Stephanie, our granddaughter (age 22) was sitting here in our living room reading Metro Girl when I read your post. She has just finished saying, it's okay, but it's not as good as Stephanie Plum. So I laughed and read her your comment. She did take the book with her to finish.

My book exchange copy of The Emperor's Assassin by T. F. Banks arrived today! Can't wait to get reading it. lol Is is sub titled MEMOIRS OF A BOW STREET RUNNER. This story is set in 1815 England. I enjoyed his The Thief-Taker some time ago.

I just picked up a couple of books from the $1.99 sale table at B&N. One of them is Sharon McCrumbs "The Ghost Riders", which I have wanted to read since someone here recommended it. Couldn't find it at the library, and lo, and behold! For a $1.99. How lucky can I get?!

Babi

I love Sharon McCrumbs mountain series. Norah Bonesteel is a fascinating character indeed and the mountains people are indeed unusual. Not fond of the Elizabeth McPherson series though. There are two early McCrumb,, Zombies of the Gene Pool and another that are hysterical incidently. If you get a chance and want to laugh,, read them.

Who could resist a title like "Zombies of the Gene Pool"!! I'll look for it, and thanks for the tip.

Babi

Has anyone read Sharyn McCrumb's St.Dale? I brought it home from the library today.

I also found Peter Tremayne's The Haunted Abbot:A Mystery of Ancient Ireland. It is the 10th book in the series. I am going to have to check my records to see how many books I missed in the series. I had started when he first introduced Fidelma of Cashel and her companion Brother Eadulf. Great historical mysteries.

I just finished Robert Crais' "The Monkey's Raincoat". It was his first book with Elvis Cole. He was a screenwriter for various TV shows and is an excellent writer. However his book is violent, and I find that I can only read such a book occasionally. But, I love his descriptions of L.A.'s underbelly. He writes about the corrupt rich, the entertainment wannabees and the studios with authenticity.

I have now begun a book by Michael McGarrity, "Everyone Dies". His books are set in New Mexico, this one in Santa Fe. Since I lived in Los Alamos, I enjoy the description of the scenery. The author is a former deputy sheriff, so his police work descriptions ring true.

Crais is violent, but also funny and sometimes loving. I loved Elvis, but also like the other stuff that Crais writes. An excellent writer indeed.

Here is a link to Robert Crais web site. He is movie star handsome.

http://www.robertcrais.com/

Help needed! A friend emailed me: "Bev heard about a mystery writer whose main character is a female Anglican vicar from Wales, and the author's first name is supposedly "Phil." Any ideas? She got this from a fellow at Christmas Eve dinner, and he soon after got drunk and passed out, so she was not able to confirm anything. She doesn't like him much and hates the idea of calling him to find out more." Does this ring a bell with anyone? I am drawing a blank.

Sorry, PERKIE. Drawing a blank here, too. An Anglican vicar, female no less, from Wales? Let me know if you find out who this is.

Babi

There is a series on British TV often repeated on PBS that has an Anglican clergywoman. It is a comedy, however, not a mystery. The name is the "Vicar of Dibbley"

Perkie, here's a web site where you might have enough information to search. It's worth a try.

http://www.stopyourekillingme.com/

A female vicar?? who does mysteries. Sounds interesting and I would love to know who it ends up being? I am knee deep in some sort of mystery with a female detective, who dresses like trash, has nothing but weird friends, Katie Munger?? is the author.

Phil Rickman and the series is about a vicar named the Reverend Merrily Watkins. For a list of his books, click on: Phil Rickman

I grabbed up "The Monkey's Raincoat" when I saw it, because the title is based on the title of an anthology of poems by the Japanese poet Matsao Basho, who is a favorite of mine. I was put off by the violence and didn't finish it -- nor did I see any relationship to Basho.

This is not my day, I guess. "The Escher Twist" has come, and I'm having trouble getting into it. Langton pulls out all her old stops, but somehow they don't work for me. It's full of Seniors. We have to get Langton into Seniornet, and change her image of us!!

Phyll, the series by Phil Rickman sound interesting. Will try to locate these books listed on the page you gave. I am on the reserve list for Margaret Maron's newest Deborah Knott book and am anxious to read it.

Bless your heart, Phyll. I knew someone out there would be able to help me. My friend is ecstatic, and I have added Phil Rickman to my list, also. Obviously you have read them or you are a librarian or run a bookstore. If the first, how did you like them?

Thanks for the website, Mary Z. New bibliographies are always welcome. The one I loved best disappeared and now I can't even remember the name. I have heard that the nouns are the first to go. Mine started going when I was 20!

Your comment about Jane Langton needing to be on SeniorNet, so we can change her view of us, made me laugh, JoanK. Sounds like "The Escher Twist" has too many twists. Have you tried reading it backwards? Maybe the story would mesh in the middle.

PERKIE: "Have you tried reading it backwards? Maybe the story would mesh in the middle".

No, but the story is based on a Moibus (sp?) strip which goes around and around without end, changing two sides to one. I don't even want to think about it!

I am an ex-library staffer and still miss doing reference research. When anyone asks a book question I am off and searching like an old hound dog on the 'possum trail.

I'm glad I could help your friend. And I even put a reserve on the only Rickman title my library seems to have, as well, so it is a reward for me. I hope we like him.

Reading a Denise Hamilton.. Starts with a bang and the LA airport.. NOw she is looking for a missing child, Just ahead of the bad guys actually.

I have a friend who loves the mobius strip, JoanK, and even has a ring that is the mobius strip. If anyone else would like to think about it, try: http://scidiv.bcc.ctc.edu/Math/Mobius.html. It mentions Escher.

"Where Echoes Live" is the tenth in Marcia Muller's Sharon McCone series. I have read three other ones, but I don't remember being overly impressed with them. They were read out of order, but that doesn't seem to matter very much and I stick to them because they are set in San Francisco and I love the descriptions of The City. I really liked the latest one, however. Very easy reading and set in the northeast corner of California. The plot moved right along and I cared what happened to the people.

Another title I enjoyed was "The Circle" by Peter Lovesey. I have the impression that it is a spin-off from the Peter Diamond series with Inspector Henrietta Mallin as the head of the investigating team. It is set in Chichester, West Sussex GB, and the Circle is a writers circle. The plot was different, with a lot of interaction among the characters, and that made it even more interesting. The only thing that seemed a bit weak was the motive.

PERKIE: Marcia Muller (who has the title of "the mother of the tough gal detective story" since she started that genre) has changed a lot over the years. Her early stories (try "Edwin of the Iron Shoes") were written from the standpoint of a 1960s liberal scrounging a living. Now her detective has pots of money and flies around in her own plane. I like the early ones better: the later ones have her making some dubious moral choices. But it's a matter of personal style.

I just read a really great review of Ruth Rendell's 13 Steps Down. I thought she was deceased and I did a search here and am not seeing that you've talked about it (but I used the number 13), have any of you read it? It looks super.

I agree, Marcia Muller was originally in a legal coop, etc. and the stories were more interesting. But then she moved, got partners, fell in love with someone and got a pilots license.. Still good stories, but not as interesting as they used to be. Ruth Rendell.. I must be in the exact right mood for her. No idea why, but I save her up until I wake and go...hmm. Ruth Rendell, then I read whatever I have of hers. I do that with a few authors.

Rendell also writes as Barbara Vine. Those books are perhaps a little lighter then her books under the Rendell name but still good, I think. I haven't read her for awhile so thanx for mentioning her, Ginny. I think I'll pick up some books under either nom de plume when I am out today. I've been trying to get into the Elizabeth Kostova book THE HISTORIAN and am having a hard time. It's a good book but my mood isn't right for it. I think I'll take it back and try again later.

me too, Phyll, on The Historian and I felt vaguely guilty, just could not get into it and everybody was raving over it, well... sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. It probably will top the list of best books for me of the year, assuming I can ever get into it. hahahaa

So she IS alive! And also writing as Barbara Vine, HERS are spooky, I think. I'm going to look for 13 Steps Down the next time I'm out, looks spooky and is mentioned in the same vein as the Ishiguro, nothing like an enthusiastic book review to make you just HAVE to have it!

I just read "Eight Million Ways to Die" by Lawence Block. This is a Matthew Scudder book. I didn't like it very much. It seemed he was always either going to AA meetings, drinking or talking about drinking. How he had time to actually solve the crime is beyond me. And when there were violent scenes it seemed like that they got a little over-done. This is the only book I've read by Lawrence Block. Does anyone here know if his other books are like this one?

I am a Lawrence Block/Matther Scudder fan. I don't care as much for his other books about a thief. I particularly like the NYC scene since it is so foreign to me. He began writing when he was still drinking, I think. His book, "When the Sacred Ginmill Closes" 1997, was when he quit drinking. His character, Matthew Scudder, goes to AA meetings to keep from drinking again, and he incorporates that into his books.

I have read and enjoyed most, if not all, of Lawrence Block's Matthew Scudder novels. The drinking and AA all relate to Scudder's identity. Because I have followed the series from the beginning, I have watched Scudder mature. When I read Block's novels I look for more than who did it. For some mysteries I want the mystery of 'who done it' to be very primary, but mostly I enjoy knowing the protagonist.

I've been reading a couple of the 'Mrs. Jeffries' mysteries. They are light reading; entertaining but not deep. I find myself pointing out (in my imagination) key points that they are missing. It's not hard to figure out what happened by the time you're halfway thru' the book. I can recommend them if you're looking for something simple to pass the time. Oh yes,..the author is Emily Brightwell.

Babi

Block also writes the Burgular series. They are light and fun. I prefer Scudder, but my husband adores Bernie, the Burgular. Scudder is quite different now than he was at the beginning.

Stephanie I like both Scudder and Bernie. Scudder has shown much growth since I first met him in THE SINS OF THE FATHERS. Block sure can write!

I just finished "Rituals of the Season" by Margaret Maron. Judge Deborah Knott finally gets married. Maron hasn't lost her touch!! Also read "The Old Buzzard Had It Coming" by Donis Casey. Sounds like a light cozy but is not. The cover has a blurb by Tony Hillerman that says "..a tale full of wit, humor, sorrow and, more important, the truth...". Many of the characters are part Indian but don't live the Indian life but lives of Oklahoma country folk in 1912. It is a first book for the author but very well written and according to reviews authentic to its era. I highly recommend it. I'm not sure I would classify it as a mystery but that's the way the library has it classified.

I finished 'Innkeeping for Murder' by Tim Myers. I would like to read his whole series.

I finished Michael McGarrity's "Everyone Dies". I enjoy his stories set in New Mexico. Kevin Kerney is the Santa Fe police chief with a young wife and new baby on the way. A crazy killer is after him, his wife and his illegitimate Native American son. I enjoy the New Mexico setting description of the bleak and beautiful high desert country.

I am already into "Fatal Care" by Leonard Goldberg. He is outstanding in writing about a medical setting. His heroine is Joanna Blalock, a forensic pathologist. Goldberg is an MD, affiliated with the UCLA Medical center as a clinical professor.

FLAJEAN, the Donis Casey book sounds like a winner. I've made a note of his name so I can check the library for the book. Thanks for the info.

Babi

My daughter went to med school at UCLA medical center. I'll have to ask her if she knows Leonard Goldberg.

The Donis Casey sounds interesting. I'll check it out, too.

Thank you thank you to whomever mentioned The Escher Twist! I read it in two days... a really cute little mystery. I've liked most every one of Jane Langton's novels so far but keep forgetting there are MORE!

Has anyone here read Jill McGown? My husband finished one and liked it so well, he immediately went and got another. I guess it's a series. I guess I'd better read one too!

Judge Knott gets married. Oh joy. I do like that series. Her family is so entertwined.. If Tony Hillerman likes it, it must be good. I love anything he did.

I forwarded the info about Leonard Goldberg to my daughter. She thinks he might be the "intending" she had who was so funny. Are Goldberg's mysteries funny?

No, Goldberg's mysteries are not humorous at all. He is very serious as a writer. He is quite detailed about medical procedures. The story I am reading now is about a new drug which cleanses the arteries of people with heart problems and makes their hearts perfect. However, it turns out this drug may cause very rare cancers.

For any of the Australian or New Zealand readers.. I found in a used book store a book by Gabrielle Lord "The Sharp End". Turns out to be about a detective with the dog squad( in the US would be the K-9). I am just getting into it, but it is quite interesting and definitely set in one of those countries. Not new.. Publication 1998, but quite interesting. The hero seems to utilize his nose the way his dogs do and tells himself about his family and fellow workers by how they smell. Cannot imagine this works well since our sense of smell simply is not that keen, but it is interesting. I think from small hints that Maori are going to be brought in somewhere.

I am in the middle of reading a new book by J. A. Jance. I was thrilled to find a new book, and to my surprise, it's a new character - named Ali Larson Reynolds. I'm really enjoying it, as I do all her books. I'm laughing at myself because I'm really into the story and want to find out how it ends, and yet, I don't want to finish it because there won't be another one to read for a while. I'll write again when I finish it. BTW, it's called Edge of Evil. I found it in paperback at K-Mart.

I hate to finish books with good charicterization in them. I lose people that way. But I've so many other things just started like STALLION GATE by Cruz Smith, about the testing of the first atom bomb told fictionally through the chauffer, a native american. . really well done and some political books I bought a year or two ago and some mysteries that people have given me to evaluate for future reading, . . .so much availabe. . such riches and so litte time. . . claire

claire The other day I was thinking about Dick Francis's books. His characters were so well drawn it was hard to come to the end of his books. For some reason, Banker comes to mind.

I did finish the JA Jance book this evening, and I did like it. There are comments by Ms Jance at the end of the book, and an "conversation" between Jance and JPBeaumont. Just fun - not as part of the story, just an addendum.

Mary Z:

I thought I had read all the JA Jance books - both of her series plus the singles, but must have missed that one. The library didn't have it in their catalog, so next time I'm at the used book store, will look for it.

She is one of my favorite authors.

Mary in TX

redbud, this Jance is brand new - it has a 2006 copyright date. I picked it up at K-Mart in paperback. Her protagonist writes a blog, so you know it has to be new.

Thanks, Mary Z for the info. I'll look for it in the new books.

Mary in TX

I have seen the Jance, but was reluctant to buy it since it is a new series and I am so fond of Beaumont..The lady sheriff is ok, but not a great favorite of mine. Will have to try it.

Stephanie, she has a couple of pages in the back where she "talks" to Beaumont - just for fun.

Thanks, JoanK. I will try "Edwin of the Iron Shoes" and some of her other early works.

I love Ruth Rendell, Ginny, and will look for "13 Steps Down".

When it comes to Lawrence Block, I am just the opposite, GoldenStatePoppy. I love Bernie the Burglar and can't finish the Matthew Scudder books. Kinda balances him out!

The library doesn't have "The Edge of Evil", by J.A. Jance as yet, but I will keep looking! I love her Joanna Brady series, like her Brandon Walker series, but J.P. Beaumont just does not hold my interest.

I was thrilled to walk into the library and find a new Martha's Vineyard mystery by Philip R. Craig. It is titled "Vineyard Prey" and it didn't let me down. I love J.W. and his family, and the descriptions of the Vineyard. Joe Begay, the Hopi with the Navajo name, features largely in this one.

GINNY ANN, I feel the same way about Dick Francis' books. I mourn to think there won't be any more. I guess if I wait a while, I can go back to the first and start over. My memory being what it now is, I will hopefully have forgotten enough detail to enjoy them again.

Babi

Babi I own some of Dick Francis books, some are the early ones. I may have to see if I remember them.

I have all of Dick Francis and periodically reread them all. They never lose interest for me.

Just got through reading "The Darwin Conspiracy" by John Darnton. The story is told through three different viewpoints: Darwin, his daughter Lizzie, and two present day researchers. There is lots of mystery and it is a very interesting read.

Stephanie - ! second your note about Dick Francis. I have read and re-read mine....and I like all of the sub-plots = when he tells about the area of interest besides the murder - like one time, it will be about coins and gold and silver, generally - or maybe about prinitng paper money = - or the fine points of various kinds of races. I really like that but really cringe when he has a nasty person who has to be done away with. (shiver!!) isak

Thanks, all, for the names for my book list. I found a new Kate Wilhelm at the library, The Price of Silence. Looks good.

Kate Wilhelm is interesting in that she writes mysteries, but has also done some Sci-Fi and even a little general novels. An interesting writer.

Her SF is the kind that haunts me in that mental recall is so rich and specific. Her mysteries' impact is more general but they are all powerful. I mispoke the title; it is the Unbidden Truth.

Finished the Australian-New Zealand mystery. Very powerful indeed. An intricate plot and part of the resolvement hinges on what he calls Kouri?? Which I would guess are the aborigines.

Susan Conant who writes about those two malamutes, their vet, Campbridge, etc. has a new one out, Scratch the Surface. It is a send-up of the sub-genre, the cat mystery. Funny, although painful to (we) fans of cat mysteries. She skewers everybody and everything. The jacket says she is starting a culinary series with her daughter, first one is called Burnt. Hope she keeps writing humorously.

that is definitely my taste animal mysteries especially dogs and peripherally cats with humor.....great. . claire

I like the Conant series, mostly because my parents were in the dog breed and show world for many years and I grew up in it. She is so true about a very special world, that I love reading. I did see the cat thing and thought of buying it. May still.

Has anyone here read this? I just finished it, and was pretty unsatisfied. Would like to hear comments from someone else who has read it.

In the meantime, I'm going to check my usage references for the correct use of "comprise". She used it at least 10 times, and I'm thinking she didn't use it correctly. (That word used to drive us nuts when we were tech writing. I believe that Strunk & White state that "the zoo comprises the animals", not "the animals comprise the zoo." But that may have changed since I was working. Google, here I come.

Dick Francis certainly grew as a writer. His first books read a little like a Mickey Spillane on horseback, but his later works became real novels with developed characters and plots. I admire his ability to develop his craft the way he did.

"The Darwin Conspiracy" by John Darnton sounds fascinating, Scrawler. I will certainly add it to my list. Have you read his earlier work "Neanderthal"? I think I will start with that since "The Darwin Conspiracy" has a waiting list.

The Booklist review of Elizabeth George's "With No One as Witness" states: "This is a riveting installment in a superb series--far more than just plain good. It's also a turning point for the series as George makes some bold, surprising decisions that permanently change the lives of the characters her fans have come to know." I can't argue with that assessment. I was totally engrossed in the story.

I hadn't read any books in Susan Wittig Albert's series with China Bayles for quite a while, so was happy to find "Indigo Dying" on the new book shelf. It had some interesting environmental issues I was not aware of, such as strip mining for coal in Texas. It also has a weaver who raises her own goats and has a guard llama to protect them from coyotes. The mystery was satisfying, also.

I will read anything that has a Corgi in it, and I also like Rita Mae Brown and Sneaky Pie Brown's series with the tiger cat Mrs. Murphy and the Corgi Tee Tucker. The books are not great literature, but are fun to read. I was a little disappointed in that the Mrs. Murphy/Tee Tucker team was not instrumental in solving the mystery because their owner was too involved in personal problems to pay attention to the murder. I hope she will be on track in the next one.