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Oh goody, I'm the first one here! Doesn't always happen that way!

Thanks to Jane for making this nice new "Corner" of Seniornet for us. They have to do that when the discussions have accumulated over a thousand messages - hard to believe how quickly they add up!

Now, the most important thing, mystery lovers, is to BE SURE AND SUBSCRIBE to this new discussion so you don't miss any messages.

There's a green "SUBSCRIBE" button at top and bottom of the messages - go do it right now before you forget!

Jeryn -- there is a sense of deja vu about the colour of the "SUBSCRIBE" button (& its mysterious absence) & being requested to 'subscribe to the discussion.' Ages ago I remember saying I didn't have a green button. There are no buttons coloured green on the entire page. I have buttons top & bottom of the messages that are dark blue. They read "Check Subscription- Cancel Subscripts - Search - Post a Message - email Webmaster - Preference - Logout The last time, I assumed it was my primitive computer, but this one is a new Windows XP & a lot of things have been different since I changed, but the colours of SN buttons that are just the same.

Out of curiosity, I click "Check Subscription" & like magic, I am whisked immediately to the Poetry Department. I click the same button there, & get whisked to "Book Choices". Obviously the wrong button. Tell me what your buttons say & why they are 'green'. (And why mine are not - & anyway - why haven't I got a button marked "Subscribe"?)

My buttons are all dark green...and say the same as yours Viogert. I like dark blue better...I'll trade you.<g> bobbie

Bobbiecee - -have you got a button marked "SUBSCRIBE" & if you have & you click it - what happens?

Viogert...it subscribes to the forum I'm currently in.

bobbie

Bobbiecee -- WHERE on your page is the "SUBSCRIBE" button? Or do you click the "Check Subscription"? And what difference will it make if I never ever subscribe do you think?

Because I'm subscribed to this forum, I don't have a subscribe button here..would have to go into another forum that I'm not subbed to to find out....then get back to you. Check Subscription takes you to the next forum you've subscribed to. If you don't subscribe, then you won't be sent to that forum when you check your subscriptions...which takes you to the next subscription that has a new post(s) in it. I'll check a forum I'm not subbed to in re placement of subscription button, then get back to you. It must be almost 7 am in England now, eh?....this morning for us. It's almost 5 pm here.

Bobbie

Bobbiecee -- you're brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? Just to check, I tried the "Animals, Fins, Feathers, etc" forum & there in the middle of their page was a 'Subscribe' button. Maybe oldstagers don't need to sign in?

Yes it was 7.00am here - usually aren't we 12 hours apart from you? We mess around with our clocks so the Scottish farmers can take advantage of the extra hour of daylight, (or something).

Talking about the Scots - have you read any Rebus books by Ian Rankin? I've tried to interest Roidininki in him, but I think the enormous publicity he gets has put her off, but he IS good. Like you said about Jon Cleary, "Start at the begining". (We are always saying that). Start with "Knots & Crosses"

Viogert....you are 10 hours behind us....I checked that out before the Commonwealth Games...so I'd know what time to wake up to watch the swimming....rather than watch it on re-play. I watched everything else on replay, but swimming is my especial interest/obsession...like most Aussies, I guess. <G> I don't know if I've read Ian Rankin or not. Is he a good author?

Bobbie

Viogert, is true about me not reading Ian Rankin but i may eventually get around to him. Listen ,i have found a brilliant tale teller Nelson DeMille.Have read one of his before but went off on another tangent somehow, have found probably his latest, a 600+page book,Up Country,it's a detective story,[ we have one]he's being asked to go back to Vietnam[he was there during the war] on a mission.That's all i'm telling ]you except it's good dialogue and taletelling so far.

Roidininki -- I came back to post Ian Rankin's website for Bobbicee - & just missed you! He has such a nice face I think - he is so generous & answers everybodies questions in his web-fan-club. Fans write & ask if they go into Rebus's pub in Edinburgh, would he be there? He replies "Tell me when you're coming & I'll be there". But I think there's nothing worse than being hammered into liking a writer - didn't mean to press you - he might not suit everybody. Anyway:

http://www.ianrankin.com/

I read a book by Nelson de Mille that I liked called "Plum Island" - ages ago. I never seemed to go back to him. Up Country sounds good - thanks for that.

I've just finished Hoeg's Smilla's Sense of Snow. I found it fascinating. I know many of you have already read it. I looked around a bit on-line and learned he (Hoeg) has 2 newer books out. Anyone read them yet?

Just starting another new (for me) author, Denise Mina. The setting is Glasgow. I think someone here may have recommended her?

Nettie -- I loved Miss Smilla, I really hoped Hoeg would write nothing but mysteries but he didn't. He's worth reading anyway. "Borderliners" is a thinly-veiled autobiographical story of his childhood in an new educationally experimental school for children in Denmark, & "The Woman & the Ape" is about a wife of a drunken zoologist who elopes with an ape. Better than it sounds. If you liked the Scandinavian atmosphere of Miss Smilla - at the risk of boring everybody to bits with him, Henning Mankell the Swedish thriller-writer is a good read. Try "One Step Behind".

Which of Denise Mina's books are you reading? I rate her very highly & so does Jeryn,- there's the triology, starting with "Garnethill" first, & then "Exile" & then "Resolution" - best read in that order. She has recently published "Sanctum" but that book is (what the booksellers call) a stand-alone.

Good to hear Viogert! Luckily I chose Garnethill.

Hey, there you are! I'm glad to see, subscribed or not, you made it in, viogert! If your second from the left NAVY BLUE [whatever] button says "Cancel Subscripts" - then you are already subscribed. If it says "Subscribe", then you need to click it to put that discussion on your subscription list. THEN when you push the FIRST button on the left, "Check Subscription", you'll be taken to each of your subscribed discussions that have new messages you have not read! Works like a charm for most of us!

And so glad riodininki has also found us and subscribed. Ian Rankin was not my cuppa, but don't tell on me! Neither was that Mankell. But viogert and I both dearly love Denise Mina so go figure! Hey, I liked "Miss Smilla" too. Great story.

And here's Nettie! Do let us know how you like Garnethill! I envy you, wishing I were reading it right now for the very first time. Instead, I have Q is for Quarry on my bedside table awaiting me. I approach it with some trepidation after seeing several negative comments in here about it recently.

Viogert....thanks for the website. I'll check for his books next time I go to the library. I was going to go this afternoon on my way back from town (counselling of Bali bombing families) but got off the train just as the thunderstorm was coming, so hurried home instead. It's too late now though.

Bobbie

I agree, UPCOUNTRY was a very good read. I hadn't read anything by Nelson DeMille before but I throughly enjoyed it and will be on the lookout for other books by him. I just finished SHRINK WRAP by Robert B. Parker. As usual a very good plot and fast read. I picked up several new mystery authors at the library yesterday and will let you know how they are. Last week I read an oldie by my favorite MARTHA GRIMES "The Horse You Came In On" Seems her newer books move a little faster than the old, I had a hard time getting into this one until about 1/2 way through. I am now reading MOTHERS DAY by PATRICIA McDONALD another oldie but goodie.I'm finally getting to read some of the books I picked up at book sales this summer, now if I will only stay out of the Library I might clear off my bookshelves. BARB

Bobbiecee - it must be heartbreaking consoling families who lost children in the Bali bombing. Parents potter around at home thinking their kids are having a good time....

Gram62 I used to read Robert B Parker's books when I could get to the library. I used to like Hawk who for some reason, added light relief. (A tall bald black man with a huge arsenal of guns?) "Shrink Wrap" the story looks good, but it's his latest - I'll have to look round for a used copy - or wait for the p/b. You can feel snowed under with a lot of books waiting, but it's a nice feeling? I might send for "Doctored Evidence" by Michael Biehl a first novel, recently published that's had some good recommendations.

Viogert....it is heartbreaking at times. But after my day's counselling, I have a debriefing session with my peer supervisor, which helps release any pent-up emotions. However, when I get home, I'm worn out. But, it's worth it. Since I'm retired from full-time work, I have the time, training and experience. It's the least I can do to help. I do tend to hide in books in the evening and go to bed early. Actually, Viogert, the hardest thing is just being there for my daughter, not offering more than a hug and an ear, as she goes through her pain with her friend who is still in hospital, severely burned in Bali. I can be mostly objective and professional with the parents, but realise I'm subjective and emotional with my daughter's pain and grief and another counsellor has to offer her the professional grief counselling. Yesterday evening, I finished one book and am now half-way through 'N is for Noose.'

Bobbie

Bobbie

Sometimes the best thing we can do for people we love is just be there. The knowing that help is on hand, if needed, is a great relief.

Thanks for understanding my situation, Gai....that's all I can do with my daughter, and I'm definitely there for her, in person. We are having a Mum/Daughter day every weekend, and she rings me almost daily. She's a wonderful person, my Krysti.

Bobbie

Hello from Minnesota,

I just finished reading "Red Rabbit". I liked it and now I want to see the movie. Has anyone else read it or seen the movie. The book is 618 pages long, but I did get through it. I think it was the first Tom Clancy book I have ever read. Are they all that big?

Bernie

This may not be the place to ask this question, but I prowl around in this discussion all the time so you are the first people I thought of. Can you suggest some good reads, especially mysteries, that evolve around Christmas? Thanks so much. I would also like to see a discussion group on what I call "gentle" reads, like the Mitford Series.

Speechie -- I can't think of ONE mystery about Christmas - but I vaguely remember a 'locked-library' murder by Agatha Christie that occurred across that time - as well as "The Mousetrap". My husband used to read to the children to settle them down on Christmas Eve -- always the old familiar stuff though:
Dicken's "A Christmas Carol"
Dylan Thomas's "A Child's Christmas in Wales"
O.Henry's "The Gift of the Magi"
Somebody surely has a better memory than mine - there must be dozens of mysteries involving Christmas.

Did a little search and came up with this site...

http://www.mysterynet.com/Christmas/books/christmas_books_main.shtml

Nettie -- that's absolutely PERFECT! What a smashing website -I had a really good look round, but I confess I'd never heard of any of the Christmas books. Just for once, it wasn't absent mindedness. Thank you very much for the link.

Bernie, Tom Clancy does like to go into a lot of technical detail. So far as I know, the shortest of his books is bigger than most.

Nettie, the Christmas mystery link was great. I think I have seen the Mary Higgins Clark before, but I now need to go find the Joan Hess, the Martha Grimes, and the Tim Heald collection. Great sleuthing, girl!

..Babi

NEAT SITE! Thanks, Nettie. I'm going to put that link in the heading, at least through Christmas! Lots of good holiday reading and gift ideas there!

In one of my Christmas boxes I have Christmas books. They are fun to read at this time of year.

Why don't you tell us some of your favorites, gaj?

O Little Town Of Maggody by Joan Hess. A Holly Jolly Murder by Joan Hess. Both of Hess' books were very good. Death Beneath the Christmas Tree by Robert Nordan was just all right.
Tidings of Great Joy by Sandra Brown was a cute romance. An all time favorite is A Christmas Memory by Truman Capote.

Nettie, thank you for the Christmas link. It is great! A couple I have read, but the others-well, here I go back to the library! GAJ, thanks for the favorites! Boy, you guys are great-you really came through!

I'm so pleased everyone is enjoying the site!

I am certainly in everyone's debt for all the great reads I have learned about here.

Just finished Denise Mina's Garnethill and loved it. My library doesn't seem to have the next 2 yet.

Waiting in the wings is Michael Malone's first novel, The Delectable Mountains. I think after this one I will have read all his fiction/mystery books. Hope he is working on a new one!

Nettie and Gram62 .. excellent choices,Garnethill and Up Country.Libraries will request a book from another library in their area so you could follow up Denise Mina that way.

Viogert how are you doing tackling The Wiz in Name That Book?

Roidininki - the library system in USA is just as good as ours - & from the sound of it - just as many dedicated librarians. We paid £1 to order a new book, but from other libraries (except from private libraries, occasionally), it was a free service.

Name that book? I looked in there but with clues like that, it could be anything - anybody.

Michael Crichton - has anybody read his new book called "Prey" yet? I read the first page in A.c & was HOOKED! I haven't always liked his books - "Timeline" went on a bit.

Name That Book... It gets better ... The WIzard gives new clues once a week... and some are truly baffling. His teasing posts often have hints... if you can read between the lines.

Nettie, I read another novel by Michael Malone that wasn't a mystery. Right now I can't think of the title. (That mental drawer must be rusty.) (^_^( It was about a rather stuffy character whose father leaves the hospital, making our hero go after him. It was both funny (reminded me of Steve Martin's type of thing) and thoughtful. Does anyone else know which book I'm thinking of?

as soon as I get off here I'll think of it! 'round and round the rugged rock'...mumble,grumble

Babi

Babi could it be Handling Sin?? I am reading it now and the guy is chaseing his father in some rather weird circumstances.

I read that one, and loved it!

Babi --I noticed he'd recently written a Christmas book called "The First Noel" - (Didn't somebody else mention this one?) His last mystery was called "The First Lady. Both books have had super reviews.

Jeryn - did you finish "Q is for Quarry? How did you get on?

"Handling Sin"!! That was it!! Thank you, Judy. It gets even more weird, but it's a lot of fun.

I've read "First Lady", Viogert, as well as "Uncivil Seasons". I'm hooked, and I'll be on the lookout for "The First Noel". ...Babi

I'm still putzing along with Q, viogert. Not exactly a page turner, is it?! It feels like a nice visit with comfortable old friends since I have read so many already, A to P. But she does seem to be getting more preoccupied with the mundane in this one... And I can see where some would be turned off by the two rather pathetic old geezers she is working with. Lots of padding for a rather thin plot, I guess. I'll finish it just because I like Kinsey, even when she is changing her clothes, and washing her hair, and taking a nap, and going for a run, etc etc etc!

My husband took up Time's Witness and is sailing through it -- I'll have to try it some more, I guess. Cuddy was getting to be a bit muchie just by page 66. I wasn't sure I could stick it out for 400+ more!

I just finished a new Ralph McInerny (“Father Dowling” author) Notre Dame University mystery. It’s one of the Knight Brothers one and titled Celt and Pepper . Light but enjoyable. My next one is the new Joan Hess Out on a Limb

Super topic, Christmas mysteries, I love Christmas mysteries, too. Here's a few that are not good and a couple which are:

Mystery for Christmas hardback from Barnes & Noble is a disappointment. “I Saw Mommy Killing Santa Claus” one of the few short stories in the book that does NOT start in a police precinct or with a policeman, and the tone is nasty, just nasty. I’m disappointed in the tone of this book, had hoped for more. If you like police procedurals, tho the other stories might be enjoyable, tho

Two oldies but very goodies that should be on anybody's Christmas shelf: Rest Ye Merry is one of the best Christmas mysteries there is, as well as Christmas Crimes at Puzzel (spelled correctly) Manor, a unique thing I’ve never seen equaled. I loved it. It tops the list of my all time best, but there are some challengers:

Margaret Maron’s Corpus Christmas is not bad, so far, has an intriguing plot line. The Unburied, by Charles Palliser, he of the Quincunx, is a strange Christmas mystery book, which I saved for this time of year, very highly regarded, in fact, I found it on a list of the best books ever written in one of those book calendars. It’s Victorian England, and a Cathedral Close and a ghost, involved plot, so far, anyway, quite strange. If you like strange things, this one’s for you.

A Crossworder's Holiday is a disappointment, facile and too light, or my taste is getting very bad.

The tradition of the Christmas Ghost is an old one and Charles Dickens in his “The Haunted House” tells a super tale, it’s reproduced in two books out by B&N, one called The Oford Book of Short Stories and the other Stories for Christmas by Charles Dickens, both excellent.

I’m going to put Mystery For Christmas up on the Book Exchange, if you like mysteries you may want to subscribe to that discussion a lot of mysteries just changed hands there.

I’ve got another one called Wreck the Halls, by Sarah Graves, the home repair murder series, it’s year old, but am just seeing it on the shelves and there’s an older one called Santa Clues which is excellent, short stories very well written.

I love Christmas mysteries, it seems so hard to find a good one, though, am taking notes on what you all have mentioned, and will try some of them, what's the holiday season without a mystery?

gunny

Ginny - that's a nice bunch of Christmas books. And I forgot all about Janet Evanovich's new book called "Visions of Sugar Plums" - Stephanie Plum, Grandma Mazur, Morelli & Ranger- at Christmas. Good news if you like her books.

"Rest You Merry" sounds familiar; I suspect I may have read that one. I'm making lists of all the others in hopes of finding most of them in the next two weeks. (You do realize it's only a couple of weeks now?! Cheesh!) ...Babi

I did just read that one...light and easy!

I just finished 'Changlings' by Jo Bannister. Next: 'The Devil's God' by John Sandford. It was pouring last night so I hopped into bed to finish 'Changlings' but the rain always sends me to sleep, so didn't quite finish it, and had to finish it over brekkie this morning.<g>

Bobbie

I liked Q is for Quarry just fine. A nice visit with Kinsey and friends, albeit a little slow getting going. Padded a bit over much with the mundane but a credible plot and a nice twist at the end: the fact that her idea is based on a real, unsolved murder. It's kind of refreshing going sleuthing in the world before cell phones and such!

Now I'm checking out Elizabeth George's little volume of short stories, I, Richard. The first one didn't amount to much.

My husband finished Time's Witness and says I should persevere! I'll give it another 50 pp...

Say, has anyone here read Michael Crichton's new book, Prey? Bookstores are pushing it and I even saw it advertised on TV! Thought I might get it for a gift for someone.

Jeryn - I too, asked if anyone had read Michael Crichton's "Prey" a few days ago, but answer came there none. It has shot up the lists in UK, but that's not a guarantee of a good mystery, (see Timeline that droned on & on.....) I enjoyed the synopsis of "Prey" so took a risk & ordered it, & it came this morning. It still looks good, & it's a NICE BIG FAT BOOK.

I would suggest you just dump "Times Witness" - even if your husband knows you better than I do - I doubt if your temper will be improved by finishing it. Try a new book by Jack Clark set around Chicago called "Westerfield's Chain". It's a first novel & slightly off-beat.

Just 50 more pp, viogert! Just to humor hubby, if nothing else. Hey, I LIKED Timeline! Shucky dern; didn't think it was draggy at all. As we both know, there's no accounting for u-no-what! Thanks for the tip on Jack Clark... I've added it to my list.

Could you report on Prey before Christmas, I hope?! I may just get it anyway... my son has eagerly devoured every Crichton that came down the pike.

Jeryn - nearly to the end of Michael Crichton's "Prey" & I'd give it five gold stars. It's been a riveting read - right up my street scientifically after reading about micro-biology & parasites - (no - nothing yukky.) It would make a great gift for a Science Fiction addict too.

BTW - greater love hath no wife than she yawn through a book to please her hubby. How many stars would you give it now?

Thanks for the review of Prey, viogert. I'm going shopping tomorrow and I think I'll get it for my son then borrow it back sometime next year! <BG>

Usually, not always, but usually if my husband likes a book, I will too. And vice versa, so I have to give it another try. Starting in again later this evening.

I just finished Elizabeth George's little book of five short stories called I, Richard. All are forgettable and some are downright boring. A good one to skip.

Just finished GONE FOR GOOD by this author who is new to me. He has 8 other books listed so don't know how I missed him. This book was a little hard to get into but I suggest sticking with it. The plot twists and turns until the very last page. Have started BLOOD LIES by Marianne MacDonald. Amateur sleuth Dido Hoare is an antiquarian book dealer in London. There are several other books in this series, I know I read one and enjoyed it but that was before I started keeping lists so I don't know which other one I read. Will have to research that, as I do enjoy these mysteries set in England

I found Hoag's "Holly Jolly Murder" at the library. It's certainly easy to read, no thought required. While I have liked most of Hoag's books, the ones with busybody ladies solving murders while the professionals bumble about are a bit of a strain. I keep wishing one of the professionals would charge her with interfering with an investigation and lock her up for a while! A little reality here, please. ...Babi

After I read her first, GarnetHill, I rushed back to the library to get the next two...alas, they don't have them in the whole library system and told me the first one, Garnethill, is now out of print...they might order it them me...will be notified. Does anyone have the next 2 they might share for a month?

Thanks for the 'heads up' on the Eliz George short stories..it was at my library, but I declined...

BaBi, I too find that type "whodunit" rather puerile and mainly stick to those with more "reality"! Dido Hoare is a prime example of the former, isn't she, Gram62, but still rather fun as she has the cop for a boyfriend. I like mysteries set in England too, usually.

Nettie, that is terribly depressing that Garnethill is out of print! I hope viogert will come and tell us that is just for the USA, at least. I was able to find all three in the series at the local library so can't help you, though I would cheerfully. Do you have interlibrary loan in your area?

I don't know what my problem was on those first 66 pages, but have resumed Time's Witness and am finding it VERY entertaining. A nice loooong read, too. My husband was right, as usual, viogert!

OK.. I got a Michael Malone from the library. It is 12 short stories about women ( and sort of mysteries)called Red,White and Blue.. Quite interesteing actually. I have never read anything of his before. But I note he is southern and I generally love southern writers. This one strikes me as more fiction than a combination or straight mysteries.

I read those short stories by Malone, enjoyed them!

Yes, Jeryn, we do have the interlibrary, but they were no where in the system. The library might buy them.

Red Clay, Blue Cadillac is the exact title. Darned thing must be in front of me for me to remember anything. Some of the stories are better than others.

I'm in the first part of my first Deborah Knott mystery. She's a judge and the youngest in a family with 11 older brothers! Author is Margaret Maron and the title is Slow Dollar . I didn't understand the title, but there are several references now to the saying, here of a carnival worker, that a "quick dime is better than a slow dollar." I'd never heard that saying before.

Finished a book last night that was mystery/romance. I really enjoyed it and it was a new experience for me. It was Arkansas Traveler by Earlene Fowler.

The front says A cross between Steel Magnolias and To Kill A Mockingbird.

Nettie, I hope your library does buy the rest of the "Garnethill trilogy" ... many of us here have enjoyed them so much. And for those of you just arriving, that's Garnethill, Exile, and Resolution, all three by Denise Mina and about the same set of characters of Glasgow, Scotland.

Thanks for reviewing Malone's short story collection, Stephanie, Nettie. Seems he is a most prolific and talented author.

A "quick dime is better than a slow dollar." Is that sort of like "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush", Jane? <BG>

Judy, that's one of those "quilt pattern" mysteries, isn't it? I read the first one in the series, darned if I can remember the name, but it was cute. Each book is named after an old-fashion quilt pattern.

OOPS! My apologies to Tami Hoag. The book I mentioned, "A Holly, Jolly Murder", is a Joan Hess book. My previous Hess reads were the Maggody stories, which I found to be fun. Of the two, I think I enjoy Hoag more, tho'. ..Babi

Even though both write 'mysteries,' their styles are so very different. The few Hoag books I have read were great reads. I used to be a bigger fan of Hess than I am now.

The library is holding Robert B. Parker'sWidow's Walk. Has anyone read it?

I've read all of Maron's Deborah Knott series as well as the other series with the detective in New York (can't remember the name right now). Slow Dollar is her latest. I've also read all of Earlene Fowler's which I also enjoyed. Glad you mentioned her, Judy, I had forgotten about her. Will check to see if she has a new one out.

I hope it's OK for a newbie to give advice... Judy Earlene Fowler has several mysteries that have "quilt patterns" for titles... to include the one you just read. We have her series and have really enjoyed them.

gaj... We enjoyed Shrink Wrap better than Widow's Walk, but if you are a true Parker fan, you can't pass up WW...

Love all the recommendations...

Lou2

Jeryn I never thought about a quilt pattern. Thats a great premise. I am leaving Wednesday for a long road trip and am not thinking. I would rather take a beating that get ready to leave for any length of time.

WELCOME to the group, Lou2! Advice, information, and reviews of mysteries is what we are all about here... newbie or oldie! I hope you'll keep on jumping right in!

I'll join you in dislike of preparing to travel, Judy... I hate getting ready; I hate going; I don't even much like being there anymore; and returning is just as bad! I stay home a lot!

Lou2 Thanks for the review. I have read and enjoyed Shrink Wrap. I have been hooked on Parker for a very long time.

I love getting ready to go, love going and love coming home ( I miss my dogs when we are gone) Found the first in the Mary Jo Adamson... "The Blazing Tree". Just started, but it is good thus far. I also found one of her older books with Balthazar Marten(??) as the hero. He is Puerto Rican and is a policeman. Quite interesting, but I have only found one thus far. None in the library, and Amazon says.. out of print. They seem to have months in the title? Anyone read them??

Oh my goodness, guess what I just found? I don't understand this, but it's a Christmas mystery by MC Beaton! It's called A Highland Christmas? And it came out in October 2002, in paperback, is it old? I can't understand it, is it old? I ordered it, it's only $4.99, I have a feeling that I've seen it before but I don't...or do I....remember the plot?

Synopsis Hamish Macbeth plots to bring Christmas lights to the harbor of the dark Highlands coastal village of Lochdubh in this charming holiday tale.

From the Publisher

In the dark, wintry highlands of Lochdubh, Scotland, the spirit of Old St. Nick is about as welcome as a flat tire on a deserted road. The Calvinist element in Lochdubh has always resisted what they view as the secular trimmings of the holiday, so for most of the townspeople, there's no pudding, carols, banquets, gifts, or even whisky for Christmas.

Nor is crime taking a holiday, as Hamish soon finds himself looking for a missing cat belonging to a lonely spinster. Confrontational and curt, the unfriendly woman insists her pet was stolen. Looking into her eyes behind her heavily bolted door, Hamish can see her true problem-she lives in great fear...but what is she afraid of?

Then some thieves make off with a Christmas tree and lights in nearby Cnothan and Hamish must investigate. As if that isn't enough on his holiday plate, Hamish's romance of the new schoolteacher is going fine, until she mentions a perfect little girl whose family abhors Christmas...and whose behavior has recently become very imperfect.

Now it's up to Hamish to make things right. He has to protect an unhappy girl, unlock the secrets of a frightened old woman, and retrieve some stolen holiday goods. And he had better do it quickly, for the church bells will soon toll, and all of Lochdubh will be forced to face another dreary winter without the warm embrace of A Highland Christmas.

I don't recall this one, have you all read it?

ginny

I have started reading Widow's Walk by Robert B. Parker. It is an easy read story that I hate to put down. Parker's a champion at short chapters. He is one of my all time favorite mystery writers.

Shucks, why didn't you all tell me that Time's Witness had a TRIAL in it? I love trial stories! Now, it's really getting interesting...

Ginny: I think somebody's misleading you on the pub date. I think it's the paperback out in Nov. 2002. It sounds so familiar so I looked for all editions at Amazon and they say it was published Nov. 1999, so I bet you've read it, too.

Oh thanks, Jane, I think I missed this one, I don't recognize the plot at all (and I don't think I'm that far gone but you never know any more haahahah) so I'm glad it's coming, I always buy all of hers but I don't always get them read, it may be on my TO READ bin which is now so deep I don't know what's in it!

I knew something was up by the price, many thanks!

ginny

It was a typical Spenser novel. If you like the Spenser series you will like this book.

Lately I have read two books by Val McDermid, A Place of Execution and Killing the Shadows; have a third one on the to be read stack, the title excapes me right now... I don't recall seeing her name mentioned on this group, so if she's here and I missed her, please excuse, but if not, I highly recommend the two I've read. I would love to hear what you thought of either of these if you've read them.

Lou2

Lou2 I used to read books by Val McDermid when she started, & though I didn't like her swanky journalist with her fast cars, the plots were quite good. (I was told that her later books became rather bloody.)Then a friend who worked in the Silver Moon Bookshop in the Charing X Road, said she was rude & off-hand with the staff when she came for readings & signings. It shouldn't make any difference I know, but I never read anything of hers again.

Thomas Perry's new book "Dead Aim" has finally been released by the publishers. It was supposed to appear 1st December. The dispatch note came saying I will receive it on 24th. Serves me right for planning to read it if it came before Christmas.

Lee Child has another Jack Reacher book coming next year. His web-person sent out a report on their doings since "Without Fail was published - which reintroduced Jack's brother Joe who was bumped off in the first book. From his site, I had emailed to say Joe was the most interesting dead character in a book since "Rebecca". He asked if he should write a prequel with Joe in it? Seems like he's gone ahead & written one. The new book is going back a few years to when Jack was a Military Policeman.

Val McDermot.. Sorry she is rude, but oh my some of her plots are just great. I have read everything but the newest, which is still in hardback. Finished Mary Jo Adamson.. "The Blazing Tree". It is about Shakers and is quite intricate. I do like the plot and the careful explanation of how the shakers lived. Excellent

My stacks grow!!! LOL Love the recommendations.

Viogert, I used to read D. Steele and all her romance stuff, then I read an "unofficial" biography of her and that stopped me from giving her another penny!!! Saying that to say, I understand you feeling about V McDermid... But, I have been to her web site and her forum, the only intereactive site I know... She answers readers' questions courteously and promptly, and some of them can be very tedious.

Have just finished The Moonstone and Woman in White, Wilkie Collins. I'm probably the only mystery reader on earth that had never read them. Sure enjoyed... with WiW I was "reading between my fingers", you know, like children watch a scary story? They say it's been in print continuously since first published 140 years ago!!! I understand why!!

Lou2 - You are absolutely right about Wilkie Collins, I re-read "The Woman in White" a few years ago & it was just as riveting. I've not re-read "The Moonstone" - I can't remember any of it now. But a lot of the older stories, like Stevenson's "Treasure Island" are every bit as good as the first time. And Henry James's "Turn of the Screw" is still as creepy.

I was pleased to find another reader who expected a high standard of courtesy from authors - (in a bookshop anyway). I would certainly expect Val McDermid to be patient with fans she invited to her website, but rudeness to the servants - so to speak - has no excuse. We can all be polite when people are looking.

Lou2, I greatly enjoyed McDermid's A Place of Execution and would recommend it to anyone but when I tried reading another of her books, didn't care for it at all -- a bit bloody for my taste, as viogert suggests.

Ooooh, I may have to read those books of Wilkie Collins' again! Been many years but I do remember they were wonderful. In fact, it's been so long -- I've probably forgotten enough to enjoy them as if reading for the first time! <BG>

All good classics, viogert! I was just sitting here trying to think of other 19th century novels of suspense and mystery... other than Sherlock Holmes, of course... lots of good novels written but few really qualify as "mysteries". Am I right? Help me out here... all I can think of is The Mystery of Edwin Drood, Dickens last and uncompleted novel. It's a mystery, alright, as to how he might have ended it!

Jeryn - the Victorians liked ghostly stories - mysteries of the unexplainable didn't they? I never read "Edwin Drood" - in fact only read the children's books of Dickens. But I was really obsessed by M.R.James & his "Ghost Stories of an Antiquary". His 'mysteries' were super. After all, Rebecca was a murder mystery but has never been thought of as genre fiction. Did anybody try to finish Edwin Drood do you know? I moved from Edgar Wallace straight into Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler & Ngaio Marsh. Then, when I found them, all the Dorothy L Sayers - in spite of finding Harriet Vane a bit pi. I still re-read Chandler - what is it makes him so good?

Hammett, Chandler, and Sayers are alltime greats with me too, viogert, but solidly of the 20th century. As is Dapphne du Maurier who wrote many excellent novels besides the very spooky Rebecca. Edgar Wallace I have only heard of; M.R. James don't know at all -- maybe I've missed some pretty good things?

I'd love to know about it if anyone ever tried to write a conclusion to Edwin Drood! I've never heard of any. There's a challenge, world!

Its funny, but I think that someone did in fact try to finish Drood.. Not sure why I think so, probably read it somewhere. I love Dorothy Sayers,, latin and all ( made me learn latin as a matter of fact).Not sure how far back, you want to go. There was a person who wrote about a female detective way back. Josephine Tey was a wonderful writer. How about whoever wrote the Judge Dee stuff.

Oh Dear! One of my favorite authors "Martha Grimes" has a new book out "The Grave Maurice" and it is not gettng very good reviews. One critic said" A book you can't put down or you'll forget all about it." I haven't read all her books yet I'm slowly working my way through them as I come across them. I'm presently plowing through Mankell Henning, One Step Behind. I had a hard time getting into it but it is proving interesting about 1/2 way through. Lou2... you are not the only mystery reader who missed Wilkie Collins, Thanks for mentioning it, I'll search through my used book store next time I am there. Barb

Gram62..i liked Harlen Coben´s Tell No One better than Gone For Good so look out for it and it´s being made into a movie. I´m not fond of his other books tho.

Lou... Val Mcdermid´s more bloody books have just been done in a mini series on British tv.I swear there was no need for the gross scenes to be played out like that!

Have just finished Resolution.... Denise Mina´s last book in her trilogy,three good reads but to be read in order,preferably one after the other i should think, do you agree Viogert?

As I recall it, someone did finish Edwin Drood, but the critics weren't too happy with the result. For that reason, I wasn't esp. interested in reading it.

A friend has given me a Book Collectors List book. It's a place to list all those books you want to find and read, so you don't forget. Since I am constantly forgetting either the correct title or the author, I expect this gift to be a great favorite. ...Babi

Hello Roidininki - I thought you'd gone to the Tyrol for some skiing. I suppose at a pinch, Denise Mina's books would stand alone, but Maureen grows & develops throughout the three books & it's lovely watching her mend as the mystery unravels. Her trouble starts smack in the middle of the first page of the first book, & isn't properly resolved until the end of the third.

Yes, I'm the same about Val McDermid - it's not only her nastiness to my friend Abigail - but she punishes her characters something rotten as well. I think she must be a sadist.

Babi - do you remember who it was finished "Edwin Drood"? It would depend on the writer whether one felt drawn to their sort of conclusions. Music is different - I loved the composer who finished Mahler's 10th Symphony, (- so much so, I can't recall his name right now dammit...)

Well, being a Charles Dickens devotee, THAT does fascinate me. If anyone does recall who or how "Drood" was finished, do speak up. Meanwhile, I'll be hunting for it myownself!

I do agree, viogert, roidininki, that Denise Mina's trilogy would be most enjoyed by reading the three books in the order written.

Barb, I was just wondering if anyone could think of some more mysteries written in the 19th century. Some one mentioned Edgar Wallace? I must check him out. Also M.R.James... any relation to Henry?

Speaking of 19th century authors, is anyone [besides me] avidly watching this series on Masterpiece Theatre made from Elizabeth Gaskell's Wives and Daughters? Not exactly a mystery but almost reads like one! I'm quite excited to watch a movie version as I always liked her books.

JERYN - on the subject of old mysteries - I'd started reading Sam Llewellyn's "Shadow in the Sands" just before the holiday - a modern sequel to "Erskine Childer's "Riddle of the Sands". It was the old-fashioned style of writing that brought back all the old guys who wrote thrilling books like that. Sometimes it was about The White Man's Burden - like Edgar Wallace's "Sanders of the River". And books on espionage - do you remember John Buchan's "Thirty-nine Steps"? And there was Rider Haggard who wrote a load of adventure yarns with a hero called Alan Quartermain in "King Soloman's Mines" & "She" with an old witch-woman called Gagool that everybody was afraid of. How they'd stand up to accusations of ageism & racism I'm not sure, but I thought they were terrific at the time. Do you remember now?

I saved Thomas Perry's "Dead Aim" to read over Christmas, & it is brilliant. He writes so well - lucky us that he writes mysteries.

I would really recommend M.R.James though - no, not related to Henry. Try:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5582/james.html

I vividly remember a story called "Whistle & I'll Come to You".

Sorry, VIOGERT, I only have the vaguest memory of reading that someone had attempted to complete Edwin Drood, not too satisfactorily. But what can be worse than reading a mystery that stops short of completion? I suppose one could resolve it to one's own satisfaction.

Hey! That's an idea. Why don't we read Edwin Drood together, and everybody decide on the outcome they consider most likely. Argue the pros and cons for our own choice of "whodunit?". What do you think? ...Babi

BaBi, I'd be delighted to join that enterprise! I'll reread the book right away! Anyone else interested in reading The Mystery of Edwin Drood by Charles Dickens -- his last and uncompleted work -- then inventing our own endings?

Sounds like fun to me!

I've barely heard of most of your suggestions, viogert, except for Ryder Haggard... I did read She a looooong time ago and don't remember it at all. Another fun thing to reread!

I'm reading Fox Fire by Minette Walters...one of the two books I got for Christmas. The other book I got is Matthew Flinder's Cat by Bryce Courtenay.

Bobbie

Bobbiecee - SNAP! - I just started Minette Walter's "Fox Evil" as well! - It means "hair falling out" she says - fox mange or something. I was a bit put off by the fox part, & the 'travellers' & the man with hair falling out in the first page or two, but perked up considerably when that Captain in the Royal Engineers in Kosovo didn't give a toss when her biological family came to look for her. Looks good doesn't it?

Thomas Perry's new book "Dead Aim" was worth waiting for this Christmas, but though it was nice & thick, I couldn't put the damn thing down. As usual, he had an entirely new set of characters, a beautifully written adventure & a completely baffling mystery. The principle character is unusually interesting.

I can see I need to put Thomas Perry on my list of authors to become acquainted with, Viogert. That was definitely a 'rave' notice. ..Babi

Viogert....yes, it does look good, to date...plots and sub-plots... except that, where I am, things are changing with the Captain. Still trying to figure out who Fox is.

Thomas Perry...what nationality is he?

Bobbie

I think Perry is American. At least his books seem to be thoroughly oriented here. I found an old Michael Connelly that I had never read..First book actually "The Black Echo". First introduction to Harry and it is slow starting, but getting interesting. Did not know that Harry was a tunnel rat in Viet Nam. I have both the Perry and the Walters on my wait until paperback list. I love both authors and have read everything they have ever written.

I'm going to the Library soon. Will check to see if there's any Perry or Connelly books on the shelf. Fox Fire is in paperback BTW.

Bobbie

Anyone besides BaBi and I going to read The Mystery of Edwin Drood? I've already started it but plan to take my time as Dickens' demands.

No timetable on this, friends! Let's see how WE would end this unfinished, last work...

No Drood for me. Read it once and hated it. The Connely is excellent. Harry is in rare form. Taking on the FBI, Internal Affairs and his own boss..

Stephanie - absolutely - Michael Connelly is brilliant. He has another book coming in April called "Dark Sacred Night" but I can't find out anything about it - or even if it has Harry Bosch in it. Does anybody else know?

Bobbiecee - did you finish Minette Walter's "Fox Evil" yet? What a smashing character Nancy was - I would have liked a whole lot more about HER.

I've raved about Daniel Hecht before when I'd read "Skull Session" and "The Babel Effect". His latest book "City of Masks" - is about scientific ghost-busters & I'm just about to start reading it. His topics are usually medical or scientific & he's incredibly good - well, I think he is anyway. Highly recommended. Five gold stars.

Yes, Viogert, I finished 'Fox Evil.' Nancy was indeed a smashing character...they type of person I'd like for a friend. Interesting twists toward the end, eh? Have now started an Ann Perry novel.

Bobbie

You make me want to go out and find the new Minette Walters book.. Of course the fact that I have a large wicker basket overflowing with books I have not read does not even slow me down. The virus however that is making my throat into raw meat and my bones into jelly does. I finished the Connelly. Now I know why he mentions Eleanor in several of his later books..

Just started reading Michael Connelly's new book Chasing the Dime. Not a Harry Bosch but promises to be interesting. Just finished Michael Crichton's Prey. I couldn't put it down. Went out for dinner with a friend of mine and couldn't wait to get home to finish it off. Both Crichton and Connelly touch on nanotechnology and using computers for molecular research. Pretty scary stuff.

Ellie May - you are absolutely right, the Michael Crichton book was rivetting - I had to prop my eyes open to keep reading it. What was only briefly explained, were the phages they mixed their invention with. I found a picture of these 'objects' in some scientific pages - they looked like a child's drawing of Ned Kelly (the Australian bandit with the metal helmet). They have a five-sided head, a long neck & a sort of stool for legs - like a dolly-tub dolly (anybody remember them?). They are not 'alive', but they can construct themselves & they attack micro-organisms. The essay with the picture of phages was about how they plan to use them to fight disease. The whole subject had me agog. Clever of Crichton to use it.

Stephanie - you sound EVER so poorly, I wish I could think of something for it. Do you have something to take for that painful throat? Chicken soup?

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL:

My wish for all of you is a safe, healthy, happy and prosperous New Year. If you are celebrating with family, friends, loved ones or just with yourself, make it special.

For me, I have two books to read. One is "Jack and Jill" by James Patterson and the other is "Partner In Crime" by J A Jance. Also I will make my spinach, goat cheese and proscuitto bruschetta along with some non-alcoholic drink(I get sick if I drink alcohol). I am actually looking forward to spending tonight alone and starting a new year being kind to myself and doing just what I want to do. There is a pot-luck supper in our building but I won't be going to it. In fact I will go to church tonight and by the time I get home the dinner portion will be finished and then they will play bingo, which I can't stand to do. So my favorite person is me to spend the evening with as all my relatives are now out of town.

I will be working at a temporary job in January and then in February I will go to Arizona and to Texas the end of February or the first part of March.

December has been a very good month in Minneapolis here with temperatures above normal and no snow. The weather has been like early November. However, the weather men are forecasting some colder weather and snow right after the first of the new year. So by taking these trips I will get away and make the winter seem shorter.

Happy New Year and may you all be blessed with only really good books to read and report to us.

Bernie

Jeryn -- do you know whose idea it was to choose those smashing gold letters saying HAPPY NEW YEAR at the beginning? It looks absolutely super - raises the spirits doesn't it? Well done, whoever it was. And that nice little fat tan-coloured linen-covered diary. I would like one JUST like that.

Happy New Year. I have exchanged the sore throat for sinus clogs. Sigh.. Was in bed by 9 last night, so I will save any celebrations for another day. Jack and Jill.. Not my favorite Patterson. I still think he cheated. You will see at the end. Loved the J.A. Jance however. But then I like all of hers.

On vacation I read Ann Rule's book Every Breath You Take. Although its not a novel but more like a narative it was fascinating. I would recomend it.

I think I've asked this before ----but not in this group. Have any of you read anything by Val McDermid! Of the ones I've read , A Place of Execution was the best----her latest is called The Last Temptation---or some such.

Viogert, are you talking about what you see when you click on this?

Happy New Year from Books & Literature

If you are, Joan Grimes did that heading, pretty isn't it? If you aren't. pretty isn't it? haahahah

Thank you for noticing and remarking on any heading we do here, we're very proud of our Books DL's who do it all as a labor of love.

And congratulations, on your winning the Name That Book Contest, it's a mystery, in a way!

ginny

What a nice, upbeat, and positive message for beginning the New Year, Bernie Brown! Spoken like a true introvert and I, for one, can relate!

Thanks, Ginny... and that answers your question, viogert! Very attractive and our compliments to Joan G.

GET WELL, Stephanie!

Judy, is that a book about some crime that happened in real life? If so, what was it? I know generally that is what Ann Rule is known for.

tortoise, we've discussed Val McDermid in here some time ago and again recently, the consensus being that most of us really liked A Place of Execution but did not like her other work much as being too gory or gruesome.

I'm really enjoying my Ann Perry book...'The Silent Cry'....and I have two more of hers to read after that.

Bobbie

Ginny --- Yes, thats the heading. All the headings are attractive, but that one is brilliant for a new year & a new start. I was really perked up with it.

Thank you for that, Joan Grimes - I thought everything about that design was perfect.

Ginny it was the true story of a girl who was mmore or less stalked by her X husband. Many years of court battles even after she remaried and had triplets. They were living I think in Texas and went to Hawaii and then to Florida. The nightmare she went through was horrendous. She asked Ann Rule if anyone killed her she would like her to write the story and she did.I believe she was there for most of the trials and aftermath. It just makes you wonder when this was happening and he was trying to hire people to kill her why the police didn't pay closer attention. Her name was Shelia Bellush and the x was Allen Blackthorn

Viogert,

Thanks for your nice comments on the Happy New Year heading. I am so glad you felt perked up by it. That is the effect I wanted it to have on those who saw it. I enjoy doing the headings very much. Congratulations on winning the Name that Book Contest!

Thanks for your compement Jeryn.

Joan

I have liked all of Val McDermids books, some more than others.. A Place of Execution was absolutely brilliant, The Wire one was also good, but there was another that had to do with the seashore and an English mother that I did not care for. Ann Rule writes wonderful true crime books. Her one about Ted Bundy was breathtaking. She also wrote one a few years ago about a woman who was terrifying. Served as a surrogate mother, tried to be all things and seemed to be genuinely amoral. Scary personality.

RE: Jack & Jill by James Patterson.

I liked the book and I understand that he always leaves the ending with another book to look forward to. Perhaps if they are read in chronological order it would make more sense to understand the endings.

Now I have started "Partner In Crime". No opinion as yet.

Bernie

Can I butt in. I went to the library at two o clock yesterday.They were holding Chasing The Dime for me.I started reading it and today I am 3/4 thru. It is a page turner.

Just finished Stuart Woods book Cold Paradise. It was a fun read I always enjoy Wood's. His books are just fun.

Not exactly a page turner, But I am reading a mystery... The Mystery of Edwin Drood by Charles Dickens, his last work and never completed. According to an "Afterward" [doesn't everyone read the Afterward first?], several people wrote endings but apparently none very outstanding. The consensus chose Drood's guardian as the murderer... must be pretty obvious. I just enjoy Dickens style; puts me to sleep every night! <BG>

Hello from Minneapolis where there is no snow and the temperature tomorrow is supposed to be in the mid forties.

Did anyone watch "The Bone Collector" by Jeffery Deaver last night? It was on USA channel. I wonder is there will be more of his novels turned into movies?

The library sent me a notice saying that they are now holding "Q Is For Quarry" for me. I will probably pick it up tomorrow. I have some laundry etc to do today and if I pick up the book, I may not get anything else done.

Until Later,

Bernie

I was surprised to find my library didn't have a copy of Edwin Drood. B&N has it, tho', and I will pick up a paperback next time I'm over there. Which means, of course, I will have some catching up to do. We already have one opinion (JERYN)as to the murderer. Of course, if it is too obvious, that makes it a poor mystery. I wonder if Dickens didn't have some other point to make in writing this one. Hmm...Babi

Bernie, I hope you like Quarry -- we had a mixed bag of opinions here so will be interested in yours. Personally, I'd like Sue Grafton if she were writing out the laundry list!

Glad you are interested in reading Drood, BaBi. Sorry if I let the secret out although I don't think it's firm. Just some gossip from the "Afterward". That's what we are reading this for, to form our own opinions, right? About half way through now and nothing I have read leads me to any particular person as the murderer. Unless it might be the young hothead, Neville. I'll be interested to see what you think. I won't discuss it anymore until you've begun too.

Has anyone seen the new movie "Catch Me If You Can"? We did and thought it quite entertaining though maybe a bit longer than it needed to be. Does anyone know whether there is a book about this true life person, Frank Abagnale? All I can find is a book he himself wrote about forgery; a subject on which he became an expert from the bottom side, as it were!

I've ordered a copy of The Mystery of Edwin Drood and should be getting it within a week. Then we'll see how it goes.

I've been seeing previews of "Catch Me If You Can", and they didn't stir my interest too greatly. Seemed silly, actually. Maybe I'll check it out when it comes in video, and I'm looking for something 'entertaining'. ..Babi

BaBi, "Catch Me If You Can" intrigued me for two reasons... it's based on real people and real things that happened in their lives; and our local reviewers gave it an A rating, which they don't do very often. <smile> It was well done and not too bang-'em-up exciting. Those kinds of movies leave me worn out!

I'll try it, Jeryn. After all, there aren't all that many movies coming out these days that I care to watch. I'm not surprised that some of the animated films are so enormously popular, in view of much of what is offered. I saw "Shrek" and enjoyed it immensely, believe it or not. ...Babi

I believe it, BaBi! I loved the "Toy Story" series and was glad I had a grandson to take them to!

My husband and I have unabashedly seen both the Harry Potter movies! They are lots of fun, especially if you've read the books. I had to read them. To censor them for my grandson. <LOL>

I've started a new mystery... [a downstairs mystery; Drood is still my "bedside" mystery] by Susannah Stacey. Veddy British and quite entertaining so far. Has anyone else read her stuff? It is a series and Inspector Bone is the protagonist.

Just back from being away in the 5th wheel for a bit. Read a lot, but will have to refer to my books to see what.. Oh me, to remember the titles again. I have read all of Patterson, but sometimes he milks his endings. He likes to set up the next books, but sometimes the thread has run dry on a particular group. Wont go to the Catch me if You Can.. Cannot abide looking at De Caprio..Such a sullen baby face.. Whew..

I can't remember who mentioned Anne Perry, but I want to thank them. I'm really enjoying her books. Am reading the 3rd one I got from the library at present.

Bobbie

Hi all - been awhile since I have been here!

Here is a group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DogLoverMystery

I know Cam, Claire and I really enjoyed the bloodhound series by Virginia Lanier. On that newsletter one of the ladies had made this list, so thought I'd share it. Francy

Below you'll find a list of various authors: Anne

Dog Mysteries authors:
Carol Lea Benjamin
Laurien Berenson
Melissa Cleary
Susan Conant
Patricia Guiver
Virginia Lanier
Leslie O'Kane

'Dog & cat':
Rita Mae Brown & Sneaky Pie Brown

Vet series (author):
Lydia Adamson (Dr Nightingale series)

'Cat' authors:
Marian Babson
Lilian Jackson Braun
Carole Nelson Douglas (Midnight Louie Mysteries)

'Horse' authors:
Dick Francis
Laura Crum
Jody Jaffe

Other suggested books (I have not read these yet so didn't classify them)
author: Ann Campbell
author: Joan Hess -- 2 books suggested: Busy Bodies, Roll Over and Play Dead
author: John Herrmann - Murder at the Red Dog
author: Barbara Moore
author: Barbara Block (pet store owner)
author: Lillian M Roberts (vet)
author: Laura Crum (vet)
author: Gerald Hammond (hunting dog breeder)
author: Mary Willis Walker (dog training)
author: Gerald Hammond (involves dogs)
author: David Handler (involves dogs/basset hounds)
author: Suart Woords (involves dogs)
author: Jonathan Kellerman (some books involve his dog)
author: Sue Henry (sled dog racer & syberian breeder in Alaska)

Quite a list, Francy. You have really done your homework. I do find it hard to think of Dick Francis as a 'horse' author, tho. Since he is himself a former jockey, it is natural that most of his mysteries are set against a racing horse background, but his books I consider a notch or two above the average cat or dog series, enjoyable though those are. My daughter and I read every one of his that comes out. ...Babi

There's also a cat series by Shirley Rousseau Murphy that is kind of entertaining if you can buy into the premise that this "Joe the Cat" character can talk and is solving these mysteries! You need to suspend belief in the real world temporarily then they are kind of fun. <LOL>

Dog Authors.. Susan Conant is outstanding. None of the animals talk, etc. Just a nice solid mystery that has to do with someaspect of the dog world.. Bill Shoemaker does some horse mysteries. Not bad for a former jockey.

Hi! The busy holiday season left me no time for personal reading, but now I'm back and just finished "I, Richard" from the collection of short stories by Elizabeth George. Every story was a quick read with a quirky ending and I enjoyed them tremendously. Tried to get "Edwin Drood" from my library and the only version was on tape so I declined to get it. Also have a couple of other mysteries to read and will report after I've read them. Mysteries are my escape from my "job" as a caregiver for my husband who has dementia and they really transport me far away from my real world.

Hi, ClaraO, I'm so glad you are enjoying I, Richard!! I took it up over the holidays and really was enjoying the first story: an account of taking a course in England (which I'm going to do this summer so I naturally was interested) which the author wrote AS the result of her experience doing the same thing. I got derailed over the holidays and never got to finish it, so I'm glad to hear you did enjoy it, and all the stories. I did, as far as I got, will pick it back up again with anticipation. I know some here did not like it, but I liked it, as far as I got, which was not too far. The make up of the class scares, me, quite frankly! hahahaah

I'm drowning in Barbarians at the Gate, which is another reason I put I Richard down, but it's not a mystery so will not mention it further here,

ginny

I just finished reading, "Q Is For Quarry". I did enjoy it even though she based it upon an unsolved murder. Perhaps the picture of the person as they might have looked will cause someone to give some information about her and the mystery could be solved.

Not much reading for me this week as I am working a temporary job, auditing payroll reports for a company that does business in five or six states. I do enjoy this work and they have called me two years ago to do the same thing. Besides, they pay well. Keeps me out of trouble.

Bernie

I got hold of "Divided Loyalties", and was surprised to find that this was not by Michael Malone, as I had thought. I must not have read a post carefully, somewhere. It doesn't even seem to be a mystery. Maybe I saw it recommended elsewhere. (I'll be fine, really.) >>>Babi

Yes, Bernie, I enjoyed Q too and found it an intriguing premise to base a mystery story on a true life unsolved mystery from the past. Sue Grafton still has a few surprises for us!

That's funny, BaBi! Who, then IS the author of this Divided Loyalties?

I've finished the charming British mystery Bone Idle by Susannah Stacey, who turns out to be the penname of two people--Jill Staynes and Margaret Storey. The mystery is one of a series of several featuring police superintendent Robert Bone. In this one, he is on his honeymoon! For some light reading with a believable plot, I recommend it.

I have just finished Kate Wilhelm's The Deepest Water. It was a little difficult to start but this is a great book. Towards the end I couldn't put it down and was scared to death he would get me. hehe

Jeryn, "Divided Loyalties" is by someone named L.K. Malone, and as I said, it is not a mystery. There are parts of it I don't care for, but it does pose some really tough problems on the subject of divided loyalties. ...Babi

"Scared to death he would get YOU..." is quite a glowing recommendation, Judy!

Sounds interesting, BaBi.

BTW, I finished Edwin Drood the other night. I enjoyed it so much just as I always do Dickens' works. You can't just read this as a mystery. Many of Dickens' characters, as always, are caricatures, but nonetheless to be taken seriously, even when you are laughing at them. He's a great satirist and still a great novelist, even in this last work. I will be so interested in your opinion, BaBi, if you do decide to read it. At which time, we can discuss it further if you wish--I don't want to give my opinion of "whodunit" and spoil it for you!

I found a new author at the library this week and just finished THE BODY IN THE BONFIRE by Katherine Hall Page. She has written 11 other BODY books and I enjoyed this one so much I will certainly seek out the others. I compare her to Diane Mott Davidson. Faith Fairchild, ministers wife and caterer.Don't be misled by the title, this book is cozy, quick reading and not gory. Barb

JERYN, I have Edwin Drood on order from B&N, but it still has not arrived. I expected it before now, and I have e-mailed them requesting a follow-up. And I share your opinion of Dickens; I love him. ..Babi

Edwin Drood is now in my possession! The first couple of chapters were a bit grim, but I'm now getting into Dickens-as-I-know-him, and loving it. I am already regretting the imminent demise of the young man Edwin Drood, and wishing I didn't know in advance who the victim was. This edition, I was delighted to find, also has some other previously unpublished short stories and sketches that I am looking forward to reading. JERYN, I'll be commenting as I go along. Do give me your thoughts, even tho'you have finished already. ...Babi

onto a British made movie of Anne Perry's "The Cater Street Hangman" on A&E yesterday afternoon. It was so good. That is the first book in which Charlotte and Thomas Pitt meet.

And, at least on my local A&E station, there is a Midsomer Murders tonight. The first of five all new ones. I miss Mystery Theatre on PBS so much but at least A&E is filling in some of the gap.

Oh yes, BaBi, Dickens does have his grim moments, indeed! I rather imagine the chapters that WOULD have been written had he not died could have become quite grim as well. Lots of delightful characters and lighter material in between... have you met Neville yet?

Phyll, we BOTH lucked out! I stumbled across "The Cater Street Hangman" on A&E too and really enjoyed the rest of it [I missed the first half hour]! I had read the book a couple of years ago so remembered enough to enjoy it very much. The actress that played Charlotte was the same girl that played the stepsister in the recent marvelous Masterpiece Theatre adaptation of Margaret Gaskell's Wives and Daughters. Don't know her name but she is quite a good little actress, didn't you think?

I've seen her frequently on the British television productions. Her name is Keeley Hawes. A&E page says that the "Cater Street Hangman" is the first in a series of Anne Perry mysteries so I'll have to keep an eye out for any more that may come along.

Yes, Jeryn, I've 'met' Neville and can already see where he is being set up for Drood's death. I think it is pretty apparent what is happening, and that the "'Mystery' of Edwin Drood" is not a mystery in the modern sense of "who dun it". This is a quintessential Dickens examination of the character, passions, weaknesses and strengths of his protagonists. We see similar characterizations in other Dickens novels, don't you think? But with Dickens, there are always those characters and personalities that we love, and would like very much to know. ...babi

I agree, BaBi... when you've finished what's been written so far, it is not that hard to predict the ending or the identity of the murderer. Dickens' strong point in this book are the characters... I especially enjoyed Mr. Honeythunder, Miss Twinkleton, and just crowed over Mrs. Billickin [late in the book]! She provides some needed comic relief when the plot is thickening, as it were.

That's good to know, Phyll...I'm sure I'd enjoy any more of that young lady's version of Charlotte Pitt, although I haven't read much of Ann Perry. I read one more after Cater Street Hangman and wasn't turned on; forgot the title.

JERYN, reading about Mr. Honeythunder may be amusing, but I certainly wouldn't want to spend an evening in his company...or an hour for that matter. :>) I'm finding Septimus a person I would very much like to know, and I'm looking forward to meeting Mrs. Billickin. If there weren't so many books I want to read still unread, I think I would back and re-read my Dickens novels. Where do people like Ann Fadiman find time to read the same books several times?!! ...Babi

I've reread some of them over the years, BaBi... not as much as I would like. I'm thinking of starting in on the ones I've only read once, the lesser known ones like Dombey and Son, Little Dorrit, and Barnaby Rudge.

"The Minor Canon", Septimus Crisparkle and his Dresden china wife, yes, and among the good guys we must not forget Mr. Grewgious, Rosa's guardian. Dickens was always quite clear as to who were the good guys and the bad guys, wasn't he!<BG> I find it so interesting his treatment [nonchalant] of the race aspect of Neville and his sister Helena. People of color from Ceylon were surely a rarety in England in those days? One has to wonder at his purpose... have you any theories?

OOPS.. that was Septimus Crisparkle's Dresden china mother, Jeryn, not his wife. Being in the first half of the book, I am still hoping the good man will find a wife in one of our heroines. Helena seems to me a good prospect. On the subject of race, His Honor, Mayor Sapsea, seems to epitomize the English version of chauvinism. The dark coloring of Neville and Helena is condemned with stern finality as "un-English". I find Mr. Grewgious growing in my esteem with every page.

I re-read Little Dorrit not long ago. Dombey and Son I recall as so depressing, even for Dickens, that I'm not eager to re-read it. Barnaby Rudge and Nicholas Nickleby would be good, tho. Maybe, one of these days. ...Babi

Oops, was it mother? And she had a sister too so that was Septimus' aunt? Anyhow, I believe the mayor's remark you mention is the only such inherently racist comment, at least that I recall. I just found it interesting that he would choose people of color for these particular characters; mayhaps there was a reason disclosed in the ending that we shall never be privy to because it died still in Dickens' mind.

I was a teenager when I first read about all of Dickens' works. My father was a great influence on what I read during my "formative" years and he encouraged me at first; soon I no longer needed prodding--I liked them! So I hardly remember the ones we've mentioned; the ones I've never read but the once. I think those three are the only ones I haven't reread second times during my adult years. [Dombey and Son, Barnaby Rudge, Little Dorrit]

I picked up this recently published biography of Dickens by Jane Smiley and began reading it today; couldn't wait even though The Little Friend lays on my table beckoning as well! It's quite a slim volume for a biography but may be a sufficient summary of the man for my taste... I don't usually go in for biographies.

"Edwin Drood" has just come to it's abrupt end, leaving me feeling deprived. (*~*( However, I can now resolve all loose ends to my own satisfaction. The opium seller apparently plans to blackmail John Jasper, who will know doubt kill her for her trouble. Since he has already been connected with this old woman, and is being watched by Mr. Datchery, he will be either caught or suspected of this crime. Investigation will no doubt find him in possession of the ruby and diamond rose ring, and poor Edwin's body will be found by Mr. Durdle somewhere in the depths of the cathedral, covered with the convenient limestone. Mr. Jasper will quite deservedly hang, and Edwin will be properly buried.

I don't believe Helena and Neville are "people of color". They are browner than the average Englishman, but Neville was described (remember the parlormaid who announced Mr. Taggart?) as having brown hair and blue eyes. I really believe Rosa and Mr. Taggart are going to marry and move to the country. Helena is undoubtedly an admirer of Mr. Crisparkle and might possibly become his wife. Or she may remain with her brother and leave Mr. Crisparkle contentedly with his dainty Dresden doll mother. I cannot really imagine Neville remaining single all his life on the basis of a devotion formed during one evening in the company of Miss Rosa Budd. I prefer to think he will one day meet a delightful young woman and marry. So, that is my finish to "The Mystery of Edwin Drood". ...Babi

Sounds good to me, BaBi! My forecast is quite similar. Just to play with your mind, though... the "Afterward" in my edition of Drood suggests that Datchery is ACTUALLY Helena Landless, disguised!? Her motive being, of course, to clear her brother's name. We can never know but whoever Datchery is [Scotland Yard? The CIA?], I'm sure he got his man!

This James Wright who wrote the "Afterward" says that several books and articles have been written attempting to discern what Dickens intended. Dickens' youngest daughter, Kate Perugini, had an article published in a periodical of 1906, for example, that stated Dickens was more interested in describing "the criminal mind" than in creating suspense as to "whodunit" in the modern mystery sense. All the more pointing to Jasper as the murderer.

Anyhow, thanks BaBi, for reading this book "with me" and sharing your ideas. I enjoyed it.

Interesting. I assumed Datchery was hired and put in place by Mr. Grewgious. Rosa's guardian was suspicious of Jasper, so it would make sense that he would have him watched.

I also think Dickens was more interested in the mind of the killer. At one point, he does address just that subject, insisting that the the mind of a murderer was different from the ordinary man. I disagree with Mr. Dickens on that point, but I do believe that was his purpose in writing the book. A mind distorted by opium, now,...that may cause a mental aberration you wouldn't find in the average man. I don't know enough about opium's long-term effects on the brain/mind. ...Babi

And let's hope we never know, BaBi! Yes, I agree. The very opening chapter begins the process by looking into an opium den and examining the wretched characters therein. From the start, then, we can place Mr. Jasper in the role of "user and abuser" and even though he remains well in control of his regular life, this in itself sows a seed of doubt and guilt.

Frankly, I was rather astonished at his declaration to Rosa late in the book. Somehow, I hadn't pictured THAT as his motive for the murder! This seems to me a real turning point in the novel since Rosa's reaction [running away, telling her guardian] brought the attention of others to Jasper in a new way.

Hey, I feel as if BaBi and I appear to be monopolizing the conversation in here... I hope all the faithful mystery lovers are lurking and will soon begin anew with conversing and telling their latest reads--which are great and which aren't. Are you all there?

We can carry on more than one conversation at a time in these discussions-- it's done all the time!

I've begun a new mystery [or is it classed as a novel?] called The Little Friend by Donna Tartt. A nice looooooong book; I say NICE because I am liking the way it starts A LOT... a beginning like a book that I will hate to see end!

Just finished a book by an author that I am not familiar with. Its Perri O'Shaughnessy's book Writ of Execution. It was very good and takes place in Lake Tahoe and has lots of stuff about gambleing and the casino's. Come to find out she has a number of books out and all in the Lake Tahoe area.

I've read all those books by the O'Shaugnessy sisters, Judy, and enjoyed them very much. I'm partial to "lawyer stories"!

Perri O'Shaughnessy... Am I remembering right? Is this the author that is actually 2 people writing together? Wonderful reads.

Lou

Lou I think you are right I think they are sisters.

I have a husband who loves any Lawyer type mystery fiction. The more trials the better. I read a few of those guys, but he reads them all.

Since Christmas, I am the happy owner of a little book called "The Booklover's Book List", whose front and back covers are art works that I have seen used in book forums here. It contains lined pages (also illustrated here and there)in which I may list "Books to Buy", "Books to Borrow", "Books by Topics", "Books Lent, Books Borrowed", and other so very useful listings. I have placed it here near my computer, so that never again will I lose the name of some enticing book one of you has recommended. Cheers!! ...BAbi

Just finished Scott Turow's latest "Reversible Errors." For all of you who like lawyer stories, it's a good read.

I just finished John Kellerman's The Murder Book an Alex Delaware Mystery. It was very good .Kept my interest till the end He and Milo are attempting to solve a twenty year old murder.Lots of twists and turns. In this book Alex and Robin are having realtionship problems which enhanced the story line.

Mrs B I have put The Murder Book on my list I love Alex Delaware.

Mrs B, what do you think, will he and Robin get back together? Do you remember Alex shooting anyone before this book? He sure didn't show any remorse did he?

Lou

I don't know about Alex and Robin .I guess we will have to wait for future books.He and the therapist who helped him with information about Achievment House appeared to have a small attraction towards each other.

don't recall Alex shooting anyone before.Maybe in a future book he will have flash backs of remorse for the shooting . Although if his friend (the other doctor)was killed he would have feltextremely guilty for not preventing it (IMHO)

A friend introduced me to this author this fall... China Bayles is the main character in what I call the herb mysteries... Each title has the name of a herb in it... Thyme of Death is the earliest one and was a great read... I'm reading Witches Bane now and really enjoying it. China Bayles left Houston and a great law pratice and moved to a small town in Texas hill country and opened a herb shop... She has great friends and lots of interesting characters in this small town. Fun reads...

Lou

Babi.. what a neat book you got. I would love something to keep track of mine. Just too lazy to start, I would guess. The herb mysteries are great fun, incidentally. Very sharp characters that grow with each book.

This book by Donna Tartt, The Little Friend, is a WINNER! Don't let the length or the size of the print put you off. It is a delightful read. I'm just past the middle of the book now; doesn't matter how it ends. What I've read so far is reward enough!

Has anyone else read it? I'll give a final report when I'm finished.

"Little Friend" is being considered in the "Suggestions for Book Discussions" section. What is the book about, Jeryn? I don't often see mysteries suggested for discussion. ...Babi

What is it about? It's about a family of the deep south that becomes pretty much dysfunctional AFTER the oldest child, an only son, is found hanging, dead, in their backyard at his age of nine years old. He has two sisters, age 4 and a few months.

The story takes up when his sisters are aged 16 and about 12. The precocious twelve year old sets out to find out who killed her brother years ago. When she thinks she knows who the killer is, she plans--with the help of a friend--a way to get retribution.

I won't tell anymore but suffice it to say, the book is very suspenseful in spots, hilarious in others, yet deadly serious. This author has a real gift for narrative.

I haven't yet finished it. I'm allowing myself a chapter a day so as not to finish it too fast. I'll be sorry when it's done!

I'm sold, Jeryn. I've listed it in my little book of book lists.

...Babi

Lou2 So you have found Susan Wittig Albert - how wonderful. I have gotten her books in paperback, because I like to read them again, and again, and to give them away to my mysterious friends. I had the pleasure of going to one of her signings here in Austin - what a rare treat. She is a truly gracious and fun and witty person - and her other joint pen name books are great fun - Robin Paige (with S.A.W.'s husband as co-author) writes Victorian mysteries. You are gonna love 'em, I hope! I did.

isak

Isak, My friend that introduced me to these books also lives in Austin... We are transplanted Texans living in the sandhills of NC. There's something about the hill country that calls.... After I finished the first one, the Thyme title, I gave it to our son... he took it with him to CA, read it, got the entire series to take on his ship with him as he winds his way to the Gulf... May they (books and JC) go with God!!

Lou

Jeryn:

Thank you for mentioning "The Little Friend" by Donna Tartt. There has been so much interest in this book that we have put it up for proposal on the Main page of Books and Literature. Please, anyone who is interested in joining our discussion, in March, come in there now and post your intention.

THE LITTLE FRIEND

Lorrie

I keep lurking in here, always with a piece of paper so I can list all the books you mention. I've been introduced to a lot of new authors because of your suggestions. Thank you. One I have really enjoyed lately is Val McDermid-thanks for putting me on to that one.

Just finished Janet Evanovich's Visions of Sugar Plums and was so disappointed. It was so weird with an angel popping in and out and the ending stopping about 20 pages too soon. I always love her books and especially Grandma's antics, but this latest one was not up to her standards.

If you like Earlene Fowler, you may like Monica Ferris. She writes a sweet cozy series about Betsy, who owns a needlework shop, and gets involved in solving mysteries.

WELCOME to Mystery Corner, Speechie! I'm glad we are furnishing you with some good reading ideas which is part of why we're here. Yes, I have read all those Monica Ferris stories and found them quite entertaining. I was originally attracted to them because they were on sale at the little needlework shop I sometimes patronize but they can also be purchased in bookstores, I've found. They are enjoyable whether you are "into" needlework or not.

Well, I finished The Little Friend. It's a great roller-coaster of a story and I enjoyed it immensely. However, I'm still shaking my head over the ending and wondering if I missed something?! Has anyone else read it? If so, please email me.

We had better not talk too much about this book since an upcoming discussion is planned. Don't want to spoil it for anyone!

Have any of you read Linda Fairstein's books? I received her most recent one---The Bone Vault (noticed in EW that it's now on the best-seller list)--as part of my Literary Guild introductory package.As I like to go back and read an author's earlier books first, I'm reading her debut novel--Final Jeopardy----I'm finding it really interesting--and EXCEEDINGLY well written---I surely hope her latter books measure up to this one.

I just finished Linda Fairstein's The Bone Vault. Very well written. It goes behind the scenes at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Museum of Natural History. I enjoyed it so much that I went out and got a previous book by her, The Dead House, which apparently was on the New York Times best seller list.

I have read all of Linda Fairsteins book thus far and loved them. A most interesting author.

So there goes Linda Farstein, right down on my "to be read" list! Thanks, folks. Three recommendations in a row is pretty convincing.

One of my email had this recommendation... it has all kinds of mystery books, by author and/or character. Francy

http://www.stopyourekillingme.com

Well, I picked up a couple of the Fairstein books at the library. I started her first one, and it really didn't hold my interest at all. I'll try the next one before making a final decision, but.... ...Babi

Thanks for the link, Francy... looked good enough at a glance that I put it in the heading. Any of you who try it out, how about a report as to how YOU liked it?!

Francy... Thanks for the link. I just glanced at it then bookmarked it for further perusal when I have more time. I've been busy working part time and babysitting, I found this a perfect cure for the winter Blahs. I'm also getting ready for a 4 day escape from this extreme winter. I'll be spending 4 days with my friend in St Pete. Fla. Of course I've also been reading,BEACH HOUSE by James Patterson, FOUR BLIND MICE, James Patterson, BLOOD ORCHID,Stuart Woods and some old and new JOAN HESS (Claire Malloy series) I've made several trips to the used book store and picked up some older books and authors that I missed before,so my shelf is once again stocked for the next blizzard or lazy weekend. BARB

Just finished Mystic River by Dennis Lehane. Have any of you read him? Is this book typical? I found myself skimming parts... I don't like torture and gore... Poor Dave!!

Lou

I've been busy reading as many Ann Perry books as I can get my hands on. I forget who mentioned Ann Perry, but thank you. I'm also reading Quintin Jardine books. When I've had enough of international and national politics, I've been losing my self in these books.

Bobbie

I tried to lose myself in Jonathan Kellerman's latest, The Murder Book, but I just couldn't hack the gruesome and graphic descriptions--ad nauseum--of murdered bodies. Besides that, my library copy smelled like cheap aftershave--ugh!

So I'm back to my current non-mystery entertainment of Bakeman's Lewis and Clark's Journals, Ambrose's Undaunted Courage, and Waldo's Sacajawea. Read concurrently, I feel highly entertained by this fascinating real-life trip I'm taking vicariously!

I'm spoiled for a while on mysteries; having just finished a super read, The Little Friend by Donna Tartt.

Have I mentioned that I found the second of Linda Fairstein's books enjoyable. "Likely to Die" was much better than the first, IMHO. ..Babi

We have a great discussion going on in Curious Minds. It's about fictional detectives of LONG ago, such as Nick and Nora Charles, The Saint and, oh, so many others. I'm sure you will enjoy reading all the GREAT posts there. Don't miss out on it. Here's a link

Previous Fictional Detectives

Bill H

Haven't seen any posts for several days. I have a nice list of authors from previous posts and will make some time soon for a library visit. Very busy here in Florida with planting the annuals and sprucing up the yard.

I'm almost finished with Boy's Life by Robert T. McCannon. What a great read!! It's set in the 60's and McCannon does a great job with the setting and atmosphere. Wonder descriptions!! I highly recommend it.

Lou

Am almost finished Stephen White's "Warning Signs" I loved it as I have all of his. There is one small unbelievable psychology slip, but it is still held together. Good author who writes convincingly about a lot of things including Multiple Scloreosis( spelling is a bit weird here)

Thanks to all who suggest "good reads" here, whether occasionally or on a regular basis. That's why we're here!

I visited a bookstore the other day and found several new books I hadn't known about... I immediately came home and put my name on the reserve lists at the library! One of them was the new Stephen White, Stephanie! He's a favorite of mine too. It's called The Best Revenge. What was the psychological slip in Warning Signs?

Also out new are series' books by John Lescroart, Lilian Jackson Braun [YES, a new Cat Who... ], Nevada Barr, and also a new John Grisham. Steve Martini has a new book out too-- The Arraignment. Has anyone read it?

I'm still reading Ann Perry books....the last one I've taken out. I will then read 2 Jon Cleary (Australian) books, then 2 Barbara Vine books.

Bobbie

Has anyone read Lady Liberty by Vicki Hinze? It is probably more a thriller. Lady Liberty is the code name for the Vice-President of the USA.

Jeryn, Cannot tell the slip since it is quite an important part of the plot. However no psychologist would have done it.You will see it if you read the book.. Just started Greg Iles "Dead Sleep" Have never read him before, but it is starting out very fast.

I've already read that book, Stephanie. Why don't you send me an email if you don't want to tell the world! <BG> Just click here.

Hi there, gaj. Haven't "seen" you here in a while. Have you been OK?

Anyone here besides myself enjoying these Monday night mysteries on A&E? "The Midsomer Mysteries"... it's a British series of two detectives working in a small English village. Quite well done and sometimes deliciously scary!

I just finished John Grisham's latest and was disappointed. I think he is running out of subject matter.

Oscar

Gave up on the Greg Iles. She started from about 25 pages in to withhold information from the FBI and do creepy things. Hate that sort of idiocy. Started a neat new Historical Detective thing. This one is "Hearts and Bones" by Margaret Lawrence. It concerns Hannah, who is a midwife just after the revolutionary War.. Seems to be connected to some of the massacres of the war.

While on my trip I read 2 of Jeffery Deaver's books. I bought a Palm Pilot and The Empty Chair was already loaded on it. I downloaded another book for the trip. What a wonderful way to read a book when traveling and The Emply Chair was a very good read. Also read The Stone Monkey and enjoyed it also.

Yes, Jeryn, I've watched one or two of the A&E series. However, they conflict with the BBC mystery series, Waking the Dead, on Monday nights. It's a challenge choosing which one to watch.

Welllll, Elly Mae, I haven't gotten hooked on the PBS stuff for a while but if I had, I'd tape one and watch the other! Or I might not. I hate watching anything scary right before bedtime! I always tape them and watch them in the afternoon! [wimp that I am]

What is the "Watching the Dead" series about? British made?

Stephanie, I am in your corner here. I get really annoyed with authors who write of professional law enforcement officers as though they were brainless and blind. While there may be some law enforcement officers who have earned such an image, they are not typical. And the busybody self-appointed snooper who withholds vital information from the law deserves to be thrown in jail. Just once, I wish an author would write the story that way! ...Babi

Babi, I am with you. I do so hate this woman in peril nonsense, when she brings it on herself. I like self sufficient sturdy type heroines. But I would guess that there is a large portion of people who adore the "Oh brave me" syndrome

BaBi, Stephanie, I definitely agree with you both on that issue. But then, we are very sophisticated and discriminating readers! <BG>

Absolutely, Jeryn. Why I'm just dripping sophistication and discriminating taste all over the place. <vbg> ...Babi

I've been away since before Christmas, what with holidays and traveling and pneumonia, and am just trying to catch up. I tried to use the Series Lists link at the top of the page and was dismayed to find that Barnes and Noble are using it to sell books. What happened to the wonderful series lists that used to be so helpful?

I have been wading through ''The Man in the Queue' by Josephine Tey. My mother used to love her but I find that it's pace is too slow for me. The writing of a different era! Now Nevada Barr knows how to move right along. I love Anna Pigeon and the settings in National Parks.

Perkie, I remember "Man in The Queue". It really enjoyed it, tho' it wasn't an easy book. Really made me put on my thinking cap trying to identify the clues Tey was planting, and see where they were pointing. I enjoy puzzle-solving, and that was an interesting challenge. ...Babi

I must be having a bad month. I just tried to enjoy Nevada Barr's latest about Anne Pigeon and the island park off Key West. It just never held my interest. I have checked out a half-dozen books in the last few weeks, and returned them all unread after a couple of chapters. I am in a slump!!

Oscar

Time for something different, Oscar. When fiction begins to pall, I pick up something that will require me to use my brain, like a really good biography, or history, or...well, you understand.

I do volunteer work at the library, and am constantly being astonished at the subjects people have written books about. You can find 'most anything there. You're not in a slump, you're just bored with what you've been reading. Been there. ...Babi

You are probably right. I subscribe to the opinion that, in order to enjoy a book (or movie), you must like the main characters, or at least be interested in what they are doing. That may be part of my problem.

Oscar

I do hope that doesn't mean Nevada Barr's latest, Flashback, is a dud, Oscar! I hope it's just you! <BG> Maybe Perkie will read it and report in, being a fan. I'm on the library list for it so will doubtless read it. I do think Barr has had some distinct ups and downs amongst her offerings.

And I think BaBi is right. It happened to me. I rarely ever read nonfiction but I'm being highly entertained these days with the Journals of Lewis and Clark read along with Stephen Ambrose's Undaunted Courage, an account of their journey basically, ostensibly a biography of Meriwether Lewis. Ya just never know what might stir you so keep looking!

I hope I don't spoil it for anyone, but "Flashback" just didn't get it for me. I felt the same disappointment with "Suspicion of Madness" by Barbara Parker.

Oscar

Well, Oscar, they just AREN'T all winners, that's a fact of life. I hope you find something to "grab" you for a nice read, soon. Bor-ing to have nothing good to read, isn't it. I'd suggest something but not sure what sort of things you might be in the mood for... maybe you should try that terrific novel I read last month, The Little Friend. I got a heck of a kick out of that but it's not your run-of-the-mill whodunit. Starts slow, ends strange, but what a ride!

Oscar, have you read Prey by Michael Crichton (sorry if you've mentioned it). I loved it.

ginny

Crichton rarely disappoints... a good suggestion, Ginny. My son read that and said it was a real page-turner, just what Oscar needs for those winter doldrums!

Mind if I jump in here? I was wondering if any of you read Janet Evanowich. Spelling may be wrong there. I'm not a big mystery fan but find her books and easy read that moves right along. The important thing to me is that you care about her characters and she isn't wordy and overly discriptive in creating that kinhip you feel with them. The large dose of humor she throws in is a definite plus in my way of thinking. And how about Grandma Mazur!

Marge

Oscar, I've been in that same slump many times. Pick something and DUH..it's borrrrring or so stupid or so pseudointellectual I can't stand it. Back to the library they go. I'm just thankful I haven't spent any $$ on them. I bought Joanne Pence's supposedly latest Angie Amalfi mystery...and "Angie" did such stupid things in it, I skipped the whole middle and read the end to see how it came out. Bother!

My list of authors I like gets smaller and smaller! ;0)

I finished Boy's Life recently and hated to put it down!! A wonderful read!! In fact, you'd almost swear the sun is shining the whole time you're reading!! give that one a shot. Mystery, but oh, so much more...

Lou

I can't recall if I have read Prey. I'll have to check it out to find out. I read the review in Amazon.

Oscar

Oscar I agree with everyone "Prey" is a pape turner for sure. I just finished it Sunday morning and I just checked it out late Fri. afternoon.

WELCOME to Mystery Corner, marge 321, Lou2, and carollee! There has been quite a faction of fans for Evanovitch's mysteries here. I'm sure they are still around somewhere? Thanks for the recommendations, all of you. That is what we do here-- add to each other's "to read" lists! I hope you will find something of interest for YOU!

I had Dead Sleep by my bed at the same time as you and was looking forward to it,now i am loathe to begin it, is it such a duff? Someone sent it on to me. I am fed up of reading duffs!However, have just finished Faye Kellerman´s Moon Music, now that IS a page turner even tho its pretty dated now, but I´m on holiday in Spain and found it in the hotels basement library.

Hey, Everybody, we are going to discuss the Memoir of Mary Higgins Clark - no need to advertise what she writes - she's worth billions and has received all kinds of accolades

Come and join us - here is the clickable where you can post a message. We haven't a date yet as we need a quorum. Hope to see you there.

Mary Higgins Clark-biography

How about books by Donald Westlake, mysteries of course. I'm not positive his first name is Donald, but his books are great. ehf

WELCOME to our group, ehf! Yes, I once read a book by Donald Westlake called The Busy Body. It was really cute. Don't know why I haven't read more of his. So now, maybe I will!

I've read a few of Westlake's books, EHF, (yes, it is Donald) and found them funny as well as good mysteries. I'll add my recommendation to yours. ...Babi

My friendly librarian sent me this list of "cozy mysteries" and I thought I would pass it on to you-enjoy!

Cozy Mysteries  
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Adamson, Lydia - Alice Nestleton cat series  
Andrews, Donna - Meg Langslow, sculptor, series  
Apodaca, Jennifer - Samantha Shaw series  
Atherton, Nancy - Aunt Dimity series  
Ballard, Mignon Franklin - Augusta Goodnight series  
Bannister, Jo - Police detectives Frank Shapiro, Cal Donovan and Liza Graham series  
Bain, Donald - Murder, She Wrote series (based on television series)  
Barron, Stephanie - Jane Austen Mystery series  
Beaton, M.C. - Agatha Raisin series, Hamish Macbeth series  
Berenson, Laurien - Melanie Travis dog series  
Black, Veronica - Sister Joan series  
Braun, Lilian Jackson - Cat who series  
Brett, Simon - various titles  
Brightwell, Emily - Mrs. Jeffries series  
Cannell, Dorothy - Ellie Haskell series  
Cannon, TatTy - various titles  
Christie, Agatha - Miss Marple series  
Churchill, Jill- Jane Jeffry series  
Collins, Max Allan - Murder mysteries based on real historical events  
Comfort, Barbara - Tish McWhinney series  
Conant, Susan - Dog Lover's Mysteries series  
Daheim, Mary - Newspaper editor Emma Lord, Alpine series  
Dams, Jeanne - Dorothy Martin series, Hilda Johansson series  
Davidson, Diane Mott - Goldy Bear, Colorado caterer series  
DeLoach, Nora - Afro American mother and daughter detective team series  
Donnelly, Deborah - Carnegie Kincaid, wedding planner series  
Douglas, Carole Nelson - Midnight Louie (cat) series  
Eichler, Selma - Desiree Shapiro series  
Fairbanks, Nancy - Culinary Mysteries with recipes series  
Ferris, Monica - Crewel World (needlepoint shop) series  
FitTer, Sharon - Antiques collector Jane Wheel series  
Fowler, Erlene - Benni Harper, quilts and cowgirl series  
Fitzwater, Judy - Jennifer Marsh series  
Freeman, Mary - Gardening Mystery series  
Frommer, Sara Hoskinson - Oliver, Indiana musician Joan Spencer series  
Gordon, Alison - Kate Henry, Canadian sports writer series  
Granger, Ann - Meredith Mitchell, Alan Markby series  
Graves, Sarah - JacobiaTiptree home repair is homicide series  
Green, Chloe - Dallas O'Connor, fashion stylist series  
Hall, Parnell- Stanley Hastings series, crossword puzzle writer Cora Felton series  
Hallock, Mary Madsen - Casa Colonial series  
Harris, Charlaine - Librarian Aurora Teagarden series  
Harris, Lee - former nun, holiday murders series  
Harrison, Janis –Missouri Ozark florist Bretta Soloman series  
Hart, Carolyn - Annie and Max Darling series, retired newshound  Henrie O. series  
Heley, Veronica - Ellie Quicke series  
Holt, Hazel - Mrs. Mallory series  
Hunter, Fred - Jeremy Ransom, Emily Charters series  
Jacobs, Jonnie - San Francisco defense lawyer Kali O'Brien series, Kate Austen series  
Kahn, Sharon - Ruby, the Rabbi's wife series  
Kemelman, Harry - Rabbi day of the week series  
Landrum, Graham & Robert - Borderville (DAR Ladies) series  
MacPherson, Rett - Missouri genealogist Torie O'Shea series  
Marshall, Evan - Jane Stuart and Winky series  
Matteson, Stephanie - Charlotte Graham series  
McCafferty, Barbara Taylor - Twins Bert and Nan Tatum series  
Meier, Leslie - Lucy Stone series  
Murray, Donna - Ginger Barnes series  
O'Kane, Leslie - Molly Masters series  
Page, Katherine Hall- Faith Fairchild, caterer and Minister's wife series  
Roosevelt, Elliott - Eleanor Roosevelt series  
Shaber, Sarah - Professor Simon Shaw series  
Stevens, Rosemary - Beau Brummell series  
Temple, Lou Jane - Kansas City chef Heaven Lee series  
Woodworth, Deborah - Sister Rose Callahan series  
Wright Eric - Retired Toronto cop Mel Pickett series  
Wright, Nancy Means - Vermont dairy farm owner Ruth Willmarth series

Sorry friends, I put my Cozy Mysteries in as a list, but when it came up on the screen the names were all jumbled one after another. Hope you can make sense of it. Don't you hate it when that happens!

You have to double space between items, or put the HTML "break" symbol "br" in < > at the end of each line.

Oscar

Is that what you wanted, Speechie? [Post #235] I use the "pre" code then whatever you type appears exactly as you type it. Don't forget to put /pre at the end and enclose both tags in the usual <> brackets. And by the way, THANKS big time for the list!

Thanks. I'd never heard of that method.

Oscar

Back from North Carolina.. The bikers come and we leave,, Finishing up a historical detective story.. Heart and Bones by Margaret Lawrence. Excellent. I really must do soome historical reading of this period since I never heard of massacres associated with the revolutionary war..

Hey, thanks, Jeryn and Oscar. Now its a list people can make sense of. I loved all of Evanovich's books except the last one. It was a Xmas one-can't remember the name. If you are going through her books, save it until last because the others are great. I love the Grandma in there. She's a crackup.

Not even the Boston massacre, Stephanie. Actually, that's the only one I can think of. Were there others?

Volunteering at the library continues to reveal new things to me. I suppose you John Creasey fans already know he wrote under several other names as well. I didn't. Gordon Ashe is one of his pseudonyms, and I saw two or three others. ...Babi

Looking over all of the messages on the books read and not/ the books that I ordered from the book club for mysteries possabily not the best choices. However, I have read Catherine Coulter, Eleventh Hour and Michael Connelly, Chasing the Dime Once I got into it I truly enjoyed. I am trying to get into Ann Ripley's The Christmas Garden Affair, and quite frankly I haven't given it enough time, but it is a easy book to put down when interupted. Its late but as you can see, here in Columbus, OH I am still awake. Maybe I'll try Ann Riply again. I heard that she has a whole series of books. back later

The End of the Pier by Martha Grimes and I STILL don't know what it was really about! I think Martha is just too, too intellectual for me! I shall try no more.

On the other hand, I am into a Nevada Barr oldie, A Superior Death. Her books can really grab me!

Babi, Yes, the massacres in the war seemed to involve small remote villages and in this case, it was our men. They found a officer who had been slaughtered and stormed a tiny village and raped and murdered the few people who were there. It seems in remote New England, this happened in several cases. At this point after the war, there was a serious depression, no president yet and most citizens had no money. Currency was not yet settled in the colonies. A very hard time was had.. Only a few speculators seemed to have profited. I keep wondering if any of this is true.. I know.. only way to find out is to go digging into history again.

Well, I had to venture over here to look for a "new" poster who isn't new after all and I see you are nominating best mystery writers. So, have any of you read "Kathy Hogan Trochuk" from Atlanta,GA? I like her stuff because its light and funny. Just brought home one of her titles yesterday, "Irish Eyes" and am looking forward to reading it tonight.

I have read all of Elizabeth George and Martha Grimes and really like them,too.

And for just fun, there's Cynthia Sprinkle and Celestine Sibley, two more Georgia writers.

I will always love Agatha Christie and P.D. James,too.

I have read several of Trochuck's books. Aren't they the ones about the lady with the cleaning service? I thought the lady who played Grace in the TV series would be a natural to play the lead in a TV series.

Celestine Sibley is a fine writer who used to be (maybe still is) with the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Oscar

Oscar, Celestine Sibley died 2 or 3 yrs ago and will be sadly missed by all readers in Atlanta. She was a treasure.

Whoa, we are having a sudden huge downpour. And, I misread the weather so thought today was bringing sunshine! What do I know?

Yes, Kathy Trochuk writes about Calaghan Garrity who is a former Atlanta police detective. She leaves the force and buys a cleaning service which she and her mother run out their home kitchen. The characters are so funny and engaging. And, of course, Calaghan can ever get very far away from detecting. They are fun books!

And, yes, Grace would be the perfect Calaghan Garrity, Oscar! You are so right there! I had the same thought when I was reading the books. Wasn't that "Grace Under Fire"?

You are right! Kathy Trocheck. And the lady who played her mother-in-law would be great for her mother in a series about Callahan Garrity. The only trouble is that the actress who played Grace was an alcoholic which may mean she'd have a tough time getting cast.

Was the name of the cleaning service "House Mouse?"

Sorry to hear about Celestine Sibley. Fine lady.

Oscar

Yes, Oscar! The House Mouse was the name of the business. I know that the gal who played Grace had some addiction problems but, like you, I think she was made for that role(should it ever be offered). Her sister was an interior decorater in Atlanta whom I knew. When I heard "Grace" talk about going to Atlanta and to the mall with her sister and nephew, I nearly fell over LOL! Also, her sister helped write some her standup comedy routines. Now, if I could only think of her name. It will come to me later!

Here she is: Brett Butler

And, here's a little bit about the show: Grace Under Fire

I think we ought ta make a recommendation for her, don't you? Hahahaha! Glad to hear that someone else appreciated her besides me.

How about Brett Butler?

EDIT--Ooops, I see you thought of it first. BTW, I just sent an e-mail to her at info@brettbutler.com and suggested the book series to her.

Oscar

Oscar,, Oh wow.. I liked Brett very much, but I gather she is not a nice word to network people. Loved the series as well. Kathy Hogan Trochek has written several series. Will try and hunt up the other ones.

Just out of curiosity, why can't I back through previous screens previous to #236? I wanted to go to #214, my last posting, and read forward. I found it with a search, but it doesn't have a delete button. Is this a new policy?

Phyll, I hope you will not judge Martha Grimes by "The End of the Pier". It is a radical departure from her regular style. I love her Richard Jury books, so hope you will give her another chance. The first in that series is "The Man with a Load of Mischief" written in 1981. I hope you can find them in your library. It is worthwhile reading them in order, as the characters develop as the series goes along and getting to know them is half the fun. By the way, all of the titles in the Jury series are names of pubs.

Being a horse lover, I have tried a couple of Bill Shoemaker's books. The first one I read was "Dark Horse" (1996) and the next one was "Stalking Horse" (1993). He is no Dick Francis but it is interesting to get some inside information about the racing scene in this country.

Has anyone read "Privileged Information" by Stephen White? It is about a clinical psychologist and his dilemma in having priveleged information about a murder. If you can drag youself through a rather wordy beginning and skip lightly through the philosophizing, there is a very good story that kept me reading almost in spite of myself. I'd like other views of the book.

I stumbled on the web site "The Word Detective" http://www.word-detective.com/index.html If you ever want to know what 'cock a snook' means, or many other slang terms, just give it a try. It is an interesting site for work lovers.

Perkie: I found your #214 by clicking on Outline there on the line with <<first <previous etc.

That outline will show every message and you can click on any one of them to be taken to that message.

Here's a link to your #214: Perkie 3/1/03 10:10am

The delete button now disappears after 30 minutes as does the Edit button.

I just received an answer from Brett Butler's people about my suggestion for her in the Callahan Garrity role. Here's what they said:

"Hello there! We'll pass your kind letter along to Brett's representatives. However, you might be interested to learn that Brett is going to reprise the role of McCloud for USA Network. Her site will announce details as they are forthcoming.

Thank you for your time and support.

Sincerely,

The Wee Web Folk"

I still think she would be perfect in the Garrity role.

Oscar

PERKIE, I think "cock a snook" is very similar to our "thumb a nose". Sort of a 'nose in the air' response. And I agree about Martha Grimes. I'm glad I didn't give up on her after reading "The End of The Pier". I think the problem was primarily that it wasn't at all what I was expecting. I found myself getting annoyed with it.

A female McCloud?! Now there's a picture. I'd be interested to see that, and would think the very funny 'Grace' could do it. I'll be watching for it. ...Babi

On your recommendation I will try Martha Grimes again and stick to the Jury series. I'll give the lady a second chance.

Thank you, Jane. I had found #214 via Search. Why does the Delete button disappear after 30 minutes? I used to delete my oldest message in the interest of saving space on the host computer.

I don't think you will be disappointed by giving Martha Grimes another try, Phyll. At least I hope not. I am always nervous that I will encourage someone to try a book and they will hate it and I will feel responsible. A holdover from my ex's intolerance.

Several years ago I read some of the Judge Dee mysteries by Robert van Gulik and loved them. I have recently changed branches of our library system and found some new ones. They are set in 7th century China and the sociology of the period is as fascinating as the mysteries that Judge Dee and his lieutenants unravel. They are very short, almost novellas, and delightful.

Browsing around for series lists, I found two that look good:

http://www.downersgrovelibrary.org/pages/mystery.html Downers Grove is in Illinois. They have some good synopses of the mysteries they list, and some interesting subject headings, i.e. Art Mysteries, Gourmet Mysteries, Historical Mysteries. Those librarians have been busy!

http://www.sldirectory.com/libsf/booksf/mystery.html This site gives a lot of good links for finding authors well loved or for looking for new locations or areas of interest, such as Bibliomysteries that involve libraries and Golfing Mysteries, etc.

Perkie: It's not at all necessary to save space by deleting old messages. In many discussions around SN, discussions that are generally conversational in tone, are deleted when a new one is started. Others, where there are topics of substance, are archived.

It's not good to delete in the second case, since someone looking for something you said won't be able to find it, and he/she knows it was here. That can get very frustrating.

Some folks were posting messages to stir up others; they then were going back and deleting that message and so those who reacted were left to look silly because nobody could understand what they were talking about.

Now, if there's something personal you decide you should not have posted, you can always write Marcie and ask her to delete.

I'm not going to be posting here for a while, folks. My husband and I are leaving tomorrow for a belated "winter" vacation... better late than never, let's hope! So you won't see my smiling words here for a few weeks but I'm sure other DLs will look in and see that y'all behave!

If anyone has any questions, just go to our Books Welcome Center and someone will help you there.

I'll read your posts and catch up on all the latest, greatest mysteries in April. See y'all then!

I also enjoy Grimes' Richard Jury series and disliked "The End of the Pier". Her brother lived a few blocks from us when we lived in Maryland and sold antiques at his home. My daughter and I went to his house for a book signing with Martha. Although she was nice to my daughter while signing the book, I got the distinct impression she didn't want to be there, definitely not a warm personality.

Am reading Robert Crais "Indigo Slam". Just love Elvis and the kids are fun in this. I had missed it when it first came out, since it seems to be back before Lucy moved to LA..

I read all the Nevada Barr books as they come out, but "A Superior Death" was especially interesting to me since I grew up on the shores of Lake Superior and could see Isle Royale from the shore even tho' I never had a chance to visit it. I'll pick up her latest about Key West when it comes into our library.

Now I'm into anything at all by Anne Perry and her Victorian stories that have all the intrigue and duplicity without modern inventions or transportation. They all have marvelous surprise endings and I recommend them!

Wow! I haven't been here for a while, and haven't been reading because I have been so busy doing other things, such as teaching computers, vacation in Arizona, etc., and now I am ready to get into reading again. I have a steno-notebook page full of suggestions, besides all the books on hold for me at the library and my book list at the library. This will take me months to get through all these books. This is truly a great place to find good reads. Thanks to all of you.

Bernie

A poster in the Wiz's place just suggested a mystery author to me and its one that I have never heard about so am librarying tomorrow and will see what they have. Name is Parnell Hall.

Are those the ones with crossword puzzles? I believe I've read a couple...fun reads, as I recall.

Jane and Ann,

Yes, those are the ones with the crosswords.

At the moment, I am reading Irish Chain by Fowler. It is really good. The mystery takes place in a retirement home called Oak Terrace.

That sounds good, Hats, I need to look that one up, I like Corrine Holt Sawyer's Retirement Center mysteries, came in here to say there's a new Agatha Raisin out, saw it in the NY Tiems yesterday something about a Curioue Curate, should be fun.

ginny

Just finished Kate Wilhelm's book Desperate Measures. I would give it a 9 it was a great read. The author lives in Eugene Oregon where the book takes place. Very Good

Ginny and Judy,

Thanks for the new titles and authors. I didn't know Agatha Raisin had a new one out. I really like Agatha Raisin.

Hats, if you go to Sawyer, it's a series and I think one of the best ones is the first The J Alfred Prufrock Murders . The author's mother was in just such a retirement home (and I think the author had plans to also be a resident there) and said the folks at the center would all come up and identify themselves in her books, they're fun

Murder Ole is cute, too, they all go on a Tour and it's a lot of fun. She hasn't written one in a while, I hope she's OK, she taught at Clemson U not far from here, had had a career in film first, but did plan to live, as I said, at the real Camden Sur Mer in CA, I hope she's all right.

ginny

Thanks, Ginny. Those titles do sound yummy. I am writing the titles down. I am going to the library this afternoon.

Did not know that Corinne Sawyer Holt lived in SC.. Ginny are you masquerading?

I wish. hahaahahaha She used to, I don't believe she does any more; I really don't know. When her first books were published she was at Clemson, I don't know what happened to her, and it looks like she hasn't written a book in some time either.

ginny

I have The Bone Vault by Linda Fairstein. I have never read a mystery by Linda Fairstein. I picked The Bone Vault because the story's setting is in the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the American Museum of Natural History.

In my old age, I have fallen in love with museums. When my husband retires, it is my dream to visit museums in different cities. For now, I will have to settle with Google.

Anyway, that is why I chose this mystery. I read a few pages. It starts off like a good mystery.

I just finished The Bone Vault. It was quite good, and very informative about the behind-the-scenes museum activity. I hope you enjoy it.

Oscar

I have it too, Hats, let us know how you like it.

Oscar, you liked it, too. Sounds like two recommendations, I do have it, is it bloody?

Have either of you read Relic? The guys who wrote it worked (one of them) in the NYC Museum of Natural History and it's about as close as you can get to going behind the closed doors there. Its also bloody and about horror, so you have to take your choice, but I could NOT put it down. Lincoln Childs is one of the authors.

If you like Museums? Have you read (not a mystery) the King of the Confessors? It reads like a mystery. The author is Thomas Hoving, former Director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art and a speaker at our NYC First Annual Bookfest, you will find you can't put it down, it's true, about how the Cloisters, the Medieval branch of the Met, acquited the Bury St. Edmunds cross. I recommend it highly. And if you like the real inside look at how those museums are run, you want his book Making the Mummies Dance, about how he brought the Temple of Dendur to the Met.

You can't go wrong with Hoving.

ginny

Ginny and Oscar,

I am writing all these wonderful titles down. These titles are new to me. Usually, I read cozies. I am stepping out on faith that Fairstein won't scare me to death. This read will be far different than Rita and Sneaky Pie Brown.

I have two titles of Mary Higgins Clark near my bed. I have never read her either. I am preparing for the discussion about her life. I KNOW these are not cozies just from reading the flaps but each book sounds quite interesting.

Hello all,

I have read all of Saywer's books and enjoyed each one. I do wish she would have more books. I live in a Senior HiRise and some of the characters in her books remind me of some of the people here.

Also, many of Mary Higgins Clark's books have been made into movies that have been apprearing on TV lately. There were good reads.

I have a book to pick up at the library today so I will critique it when I have finished in case any of you have read it or want to read it so we can compare notes.

Bernie

I don't recall that it's bloody. Lots of information on the operation of the museums, Metropolitan, Natural History and the Cloisters, and how collections are acquired over the years. The buildings are HUGE, which adds to the investigative problems.

Oscar

I've added Thomas Hoving to my list. Sounds fascinating. ...Babi

THANKS, Oscar, I will love it then, have you read Hoving?

Or Relic?

Babi, you will love Hoving, he's better than fiction, the truth is often stranger than fiction, the man bestrode the world like a Colossus (another one) hahahaaha Start with the Confessors, it's the best.

ginny

Neither one, but maybe I'll look into those.

Oscar

Hi Bernie,

I have two books by Mary Higgins Clark. One is called Let Me Call You Sweetheart and Moonlight Becomes You. I haven't read either one but just remembered that I have read her Christmas mysteries. These, I think, are closer to cozies, nothing really heavy takes place.

Loved The Bone Vault.. She is not however a cozy by any stretch of the imagination. Still it was an excellent book. Have read one of the Hovings and mean to read the other. On my very long list of course. Just finished the newest JD Robb. Unfortunately Nora seems to have written herself into a routine.. Sad, since the first ones were quite exciting. I loved the Margaret Mead autobiography since the Museum of Natural History factored into it.. She was my heroine when I was young and still is in many ways.

Stephanie,

I am anxious to start The Bone Vault. Everyone seems to have a good word about it. I want to read new types of mysteries. For years, I would only read cozies. Now, I want to move on to other types of mysteries. I will read the new types of mysteries along with my cozies. I can't give up those cozies.

I have never read a J. D. Robb. Which one would you recommend?

Hats, I just read about a new mystery author, Dan Brown, whose recently released book is titled, "The DaVinci Code". It looks very different and interests me. Here's the thing that caught my eye: "Threaded through the story are plot-related codes and cryptograms that impel the reader to brainstorm with the protagonists."

And, don't miss the Hoving books! I have "King of the Confessors" and "Making the Mummies Dance" and really enjoyed them both. And, of course, meeting Tom Hoving didn't hurt either!

Ginny, never heard of "Relic". Who wrote it? Looks tempting! I "googled" and found this: The Relic movie Have you seen it? It looks very good!

I was lucky this week to read two mysteries that I enjoyed And Justice There is None by Deborah Crombie ....A Duncan Kincaid/Gemma James Mystery And the latest Robert Parker's, Back Story After several non Spencer stories in this one he is returns to the Spencer character.

On your recommendation, I just requested both from my library on my computer. They will be delivered to my door at no cost to me, a marvelous service.

JD Robb is Norah Roberts. Start with the very first since there is a strong continuing back story. Read the Parker story just before BAck Story. It was a Spencer and better than he has been for a while. Not quite so much Susan..

Ann, I am really excited about the new author you mentioned, Dan Brown. Thanks. I love cryptograms. That must have been exciting meeting Thomas Hoving. My eyes are turning green with envy.

Mrs. B, I have heard a lot about Deborah Crombie. I will have to try her very soon.

Stephanie, I will definitely do J.D. Robb in order.

Oscar, are those delivered by volunteers or library staff? That IS a super thing.

Ann, one of the authors is Lincoln Childs and I have not seen the movie (having read the book I can't imagine the movie) the book is breathtaking you can almost not breathe. If you like your horror with a lot of scholarship and behind the scenes museum info from somebody who worked there, you can't beat it, truly.

The sequel is not as good, but it's beter than most out there.

Lincoln Childs went on to write the new bestseller Utopia, about a Disney World amusement park like thing, very spy/ suspense, but nothing has been as good as Relic. The sequel is also based on...well I won't tell you, and it's NYC and hard to get those sewer people (who ARE in fact legends in NYC) out of your mind.

I recommend those two, Cabinet of Curiosities by the same authors is a skip I believe.

ginny

The library gets its money from part of our property tax set aside for them. I can go to the library internet site and search for a book by title or author, then request the book which will be delivered to my address by a commercial delivery service at no cost to me. I can also order by phone. Depending on the book ordered, it may take 4-5 days. For new, popular books the wait may be longer. I can also renew on the net. I have a choice of returning the book by mail in the padded delivery envelope, or personally returning it to any branch of the library. I do have to pay return postage if I use the mails to return. I read the book reviews in the Sunday paper, then go to my computer and order the new book. If the library doesn't own the book, my name goes on a wait list until received. This is the best system I have ever used anywhere. There is no limit on the number of books ordered at any time.

Oscar

I just reserved "The Dante Club" and am #77 on the library's list and they only have 10 books in the whole system. Woe is me! Haven't tried the bones book but its my next request.

Okay, Ginny, I found the name of the other author of "Relic". Douglas J. Preston. What an impressive list of books he has written. "The Reliquary" is the second title that they wrote. I am #2 on the list for one and #1 for the other. Where am I going to find the time? Oh, and, I also reserved the movie and have a small wait for it,too.

Ginny.. Tried Relic twice and hated it, but my husband loved it and has read everything by them ever since.

Found "The Lovely Bones" in the library this morning, and triumphantly bore it home. I can cross that one off my list now. ..Babi

I know you will love The Lovely Bones. It is such a different story.

Oscar

I am way down on the "Lovely Bones" library list, so I will just wait.

Good Morning from Minnesota,

I read "The Lovely Bones" several months ago and found it easy reading and a very different way to describe a murder.

I just finished reading James Patterson's THE FOUR BLIND MICE. I really like Patterson's books because he gets one hooked right away.

Oscar, I too use the library for all my reading material and request the books via e-mail. However, since I live only 1/2 block away, I go to the library to pick up the books. They also sell used books and one time I lucked out and found they were giving away books that day. I filled a grocery bag with mysteries. I keep watching for another lucky day.

My book list at the library is 82 books and that does not count the books that I have on my wait list. There are so many more books and authors that I want to read and just can't seem to get to all of them.

Thanks to all of you for all your wonderful suggestions.

Bernie

Just started.. Elizabeth Peters new paperback.. "The Golden One". Amelia and company are in rare form.. New cat.. All the things you love about Amelia are in full bloom. Can anyone think of a male author, alive,, who writes about Egypt is a professional, but does not practice his profession and who lives somewhere associated with Whales?? New Bedford, Ma?? possibly or that part of Ma.. Come play with the Wizard

Hi everyone

I have to say I found the autobiography Of Mary Higgins Clarke very boring. I was disappointed in it. I love her novels however.

Carolyn

A post I read from Oscar...

Oscar Dorr - 07:46pm Mar 31, 2003 PST (#992 of 1004) Orlando, FL, Camera : Sony Mavica FD-91 Bad News

I'm sorry to tell you that Lorra was taken to the hospital this afternoon by the emergency squad. She was diagnosed with a brain hemorrhage and is in the Neurological ICU. The surgeon says that it is too deep for surgery so they are going to wait and see how she responds to medications. She is slightly reponsive to the nurses. We don't know anymore. Please pray for her.

Oscar

I love the Thomas and Charlotte Pitt mysteries by Anne Perry, ClaraO. Gracie is a wonderful supporting role, and the descriptions of London in the 1800's is fascinating. Since the characters develop and change throughout the series, I would recommend starting from the beginning. I have a list, and would be happy to send it to you if you are interested. I am not quite as enamored of the William Monk series, although I do like Hannah a lot. A very feisty woman.

My favorite Nevada Barr locations are the ones in the Southwest, as I love to vacation in that area. I re-read the one set in Mesa Verde before we visited there, and we drove around the Rangers housing section just out of curiosity. It looks like government housing!

To me, Ruth Rendell is a macabre O. Henry, with all the twists and turns in her non-Detective Wexford mysteries. I just finished a novella, "Heartstones" and am not sure if I understand the ending correctly but it did send a small cold shiver up my spine. Has anyone else read it? If so, I would like to hear your interpretation of the ending.

I am still waiting to get my hands on "Partners in Crime" by J.A. Jance, which brings Joanna Brady and J.P. Beaumont together on a case. I don't remember characters from two separate series, from quite different places, collaborating on a single case before and I am interested in seeing how they blend.

Oh golly I'm so sorry, Oscar, you have my thoughts, best wishes, and prayers, certainly, bless your hearts.

Thank you Pat for bringing that here.

ginny

You and Lorra have my prayers, Oscar. Let us know how Lorra is doing. ...Babi

CAROLYN....Thanks for telling me your opinion about Mary Higgins Clark's bio. I felt the same way about John Grisham's bio. In fact read less than 100 pages before I gave up and put it in my return bag. At present, I'm reading Stuart Woods, A Short Forever. Much more readable.

PAT.....I'm so sorry to hear about Lorra. I went to the Michigan folder to drop a note to Oscar. My thoughts and prayers are with Oscar and Lorra at this traumatic time.

Bobbie

Actually Bobbie I am reading Madame Bovery at the moment and I am up to page 27 I find the characters boring so far. Robby says he does not find neurotics boring so maybe its just me! Maybe I am just finding it hard to have enthusiasm for anything at the moment.

Carolyn

CAROLYN....I started reading Madame Bovery as well, and decided I wasn't interested in it. I think I have had my fill of neurotic people, in my work, in the political forums, in the international arena. Like you, I'm having difficulty feeling enthusiastic about anything as well. It's all I can do to keep on writing letters to pollies and newspapers. I've decided that for the time being, I will stick to fiction that I can lose myself in. I've been spending a lot of time in my hammock, reading and watching native birds through my binoculars as a break from this depressing war.

Bobbie

Bobbiecee - I will stick with it as I like to keep reading good literature just to see different styles. I have some other books on the side to read at the same time - some with a comic twist. I have my audio books too to listen to in bed or while I do chores.

Carolyn

Carolyn....I decided I won't, because I need to get well and truly in very interesting books....as a mini-break from the horrible reality, in order to keep a modicum of balance, and to renew myself, so I can continue writing letters, etc.

Bobbie

Oscar, very upsetting news. My thoughts are with you.

April 15th starts a discussion of the mystery The Dante Club, a hot best-seller and the author Matthew Pearl is participating! You don't need to know Dante to discuss the mystery.

There's also a discussion that starts April 15th on Dante's Inferno. You can read any translation for the discussion but posted in the heading is the online text translated by Longfellow, a main character in The Dante Club.

Join us.

Marvelle

OH, Oscar, I am sorry to hear of your wife's illness. You will be in my prayers and hopeful thoughts.

Bobbie and Carolyn, I don't know if anyone has asked you this already but have you read "The True History of the Kelly Family" by Peter Carey? I am doing so now as it is our read for the library discussion group. Am enjoying it but its slightly hard because of the lack of punctuation. I am sure both of you know the history but this is certainly a new way to learn about other countries' heroes. A friend of mine told me that the history of the gang is true and that that is what the multitude of horses with wild riders with bags over their heads were celebrating at the opening of the Olympics in Australia. I am glad she was there or I wouldn't have known!

I finished The Bone Vault by Linda Fairstein. Many people here had read it already and enjoyed it. The recommendations were on the nose. The book is great. There are so many facts about those two very important museums in N.Y.

The murder mystery is fascinating too. Anyway, I loved the book. Towards the end, it became eerie. I read that part in the daytime. It is a great book.

I have just listened to a book which I would call a mystery plus human interest story with a bit of romance thrown in. Its about a widow in her fifties who has mysterious spirits in her house -she sets out to research the history of the house and why the house is being haunted. It has several subplots. I really enjoyed it! The main character Rachel is a self employed researcher.

It is Out of the Shadows by Titia Sutherland.

This book is probably more appealing to a female audience. It is written from a womans perspective. However that is not to say that some men would not enjoy it.

CArolyn

Carolyn, that sounds like a good one.

Oh Oscar,, I am so sorry. We have met both of you and our wishes are with you. Please let us know if we can be of any assistance. Ruth Rendel. Oh I do love her, but a good many of the books leave you still puzzled. They are good though. I am reading a new( to me) author and enjoying him very much. Rick Riordan.."Devil went down in Austin". Texas of course and very good thus far. Pulled me in in just five pages, which I love.

Did you all take part in the Curious Minds discussion last month about old detectives and old mysteries? BillH has D Sayers' Nine Tailors listed for discussion! We had such a good time remembering the old mysteries. Take a look at proposed discussions... and sign up to read along with us.

Lou

Hi Lou2, I am very excited about the proposed discussion. I have not signed up yet. It sounds like a lot of fun.

All you mystery fans, there is a new/old mystery novel in the "Proposed Discussions" The novel is the old favorite "The Nine Tailors" by Dorthy L Sayers.You can read about it there. Here's a link.
The Nine Tailors

Bill H

I plan to offer a new/old mystery novel by various old time authors every other month time allowing. In the Curious Minds discussion I had during the first two weeks of March, readers displayed quite an interest in these old time detectives that their authors created. Authors such as Sayers, Christie, Dashel Hammett, Doyle,etc. brought to life detectives such as Lord Peter Wimsey, Nick and Nora Charles, Sam Spade and, of course, Sherlock Holmes.
I believe most of the seniors in Books/Literature have read the majority of these stories and would find it nostalgic to discuss these stories one by one.( I hope.). Please use the link I provided in the above post to learn more.

Bill H

How exciting. I have signed up for Dorothy since I loved all of her books.. I like many of the older authors and will certainly join in.

Home again, home again and really delighted to see you all having such a nice conversation going all the while I was gone; I read every word.

My best wishes and hopes for Oscar's Lorra and a speedy recovery.

I commend your plan for rereading and discussing the old mysteries, Bill H! You should have a bevy of participants from this group so do keep us informed whenever you plan a new one.

Welcome back, Jeryn, hope you had a good time.

There are about to be a ton of mysteries released on the Book Exchange here on SN, to view our entire Books Menu click on that or look below the last post here down till you see the underlined words Books & Literature and click on them and scroll down to see all we offer, you'll see the Book Exchange there, as well.

ginny

I love Rick Riordan.. A new writer to me that I picked up because it was based in San Antonio and that is somewhere we are about to visit. What a nice surprise. A very interesting author. Will need to go back and find his first three books..

I have very good news to report. Maybe it's premature, but we are quite excited. Today they took the breathing tube out and substituted a tracheostomy tube in her throat. Following this, and probably unrelated, she started to open her eyes, respond to commands (lift your right thumb, wriggle your toes, etc.). She also definitely recognized Greg and me, and responded to a couple of questions by nodding or shaking her head. This is the first real confirmation on cognizance we have seen since the hemorrahage on March 31st. BTW, today is her birthday!

Progress may be slow, and we may have little to report for a while, so please continue your prayers.

Oscar

Such good news, Oscar. We are praying for Lorra and you.

Wonderful to hear the good news, Oscar! xox

Oh Oscar. That is good news. She is responding. Will continue with the strong thoughts of recovery for her.

HURRAY FOR LORRA!!

That's wonderful, Oscar! Sure hope Lorra continues toward a full recovery.

I am keeping you and Lorra in my prayers and thoughts, Oscar. It sounds like there is much to hope for today! Hang in there!

I hope that Lorra continues to improve and is soon home again. What a relief for you, Oscar. Keep hanging in there and let us know if there is anything we can send you, besides our prayers and good vibes.

Let us hope to hear more good news abour Lorra.

Bill H

The discussion schedule for the NINE TAILORS has been posted. To read the schedule please click on this link.
The Nine Tailors

Bill H

I haven't read Rick Riordan either, Stephanie, but a good mystery set in San Antonio is worth a try. I haven't been in San Antonio for 50 years (egad) and then only briefly. I hope you enjoy your visit.

"Nothing But the Truth'" by Richard Parish is set in Arizona, but I don't think I will read any more. The story was involved and tended to drag. I felt rather that I was slogging through it and at the same time wanted to know how it would all be resolved.

"Adam and Eve and Pinch Me" by Ruth Rendell went faster and smoother. I love the psychological studies that are her characters. This one didn't delve into the mind of the perpetrator, who wasn't the murderer, as much as into the minds of his victims, one of whom was the murderer, unintentionally. Good reading.

I liked Adam and Eve and Pinch me too! Love the Ruth Rendell mysteries.

Carolyn

I love Ruth Rendell, but Richard Parish escapes me. I read two of his books and did not like either. Leaving tomorrow in the 5th wheel for three weeks.. Will tell you all about our trip when next we meet..Texas, here we come

I will have to try Ruth Rendell. I finished Splendor in the Glass by Tamar Myers.

I have my first Nevada Barr book, and I'm enjoying it very much, thank you. Ms. Barr has a way of saying the unexpected, which is always pleasing to the book-obsessed. For instance, the line "I'll jump off that bridge when I come to it."

I must have picked up one of the latest books, as she is already 45 in this one. Could someone identify some of the earliest books for me, so I can go back closer to the beginning? Thanks, ...Babi

Track of the Cat
Bittersweet
A Superior Death
Ill Wind
Fire Storm
Endangered Species
Blind Descent
Liberty Falling
Deep South
Blood Lure
Hunting Season

I haven't read Hunting Season. I don't think it's in our library yet.

Thanks, Louise. I have "Deep South", where she transfers to the Natchez Trace in Mississippi. I'm looking forward to reading the books from the Four Corners area. I'm familiar with that area from the Hillerbrand books. ...Babi

I think "Deep South" was one of my favorites. When I was in high school we took a field trip to some of the ante bellum homes that are in that area so it kind of brought back some memories. We lived in northeast Louisiana and that area was a better route to Baton Rouge. One thing I remember is an eating place built in the shape of an old fashioned woman. I wonder if it is still there.

Thanks for listing the books of Nevada Barr. She is a unique and interesting writer, always setting her stories in a national park. I have read them all and enjoyed most of them.

In fact, I am reading her latest, Flashback, [set at the Dry Tortugas] this week. The style is a departure for her; I'm not sure I like it. Anyone else here reading this one?

Nevada Barr, I find, apparently is herself a park ranger. The jacket on the book I'm reading refers to her 'transfer' to the Natchez Trace National Park. The authenticity comes through in down-to-earth realism. ..Bobbie

Hi Babi and All,

I just wanted to stop by and tell GINNY about MURDER OLE! I did get a copy from the library yesterday. I have read a few pages, it is great!! I have laughed quite a bit with the residents in Camden-Sur-Mer. Thanks for the recommendation.

I didn't care for "Flashback." Didn't finish it, and I'm a great Nevada Barr fan.

Oscar

HATS: You will have to read all of the books written by that author, they are a hoot and fun reading. Those ladies do get into some funny situations. I liked all the books and wish there were more to read.

Bernie

I'm glad to hear it wasn't just me, Oscar. I'm finishing it but I hope she won't do that "flashback" thing again. I finally solved the frustration by reading through all the chapters having to do with the civil war period THEN going back and reading all of Anna's modern-day adventure. It just worked better for me that way...

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I am glad Anna Pigeon is off the Natchez Trace. 'Deep South' and 'Hunting Season' are my two least favorites. I felt the dampness in my bones just reading about it! There is one non-Anna Pigeon on Louise's list. That is 'Bittersweet' which takes place in Nevada during the stagecoach days and is about 2 lesbians who are hounded out of their home and run a stagecoach stop in the desert. Very well written.

I haven't read 'Flashback', Jeryn, but your comment about how you read it made me think of 'In the electric mist with Confederate dead' by James Lee Burke? As I recall, it was a little less violent than his other books. Almost surrealistic.

I finished 'Wailing Wind' by Tony Hillerman. I'm glad that Leaphorn has not been written off completely, and that the professor is still around. I hope Chee can make a go of it with Bernie. His choice of lovers has not been very wise so far but he has been working his way toward a traditional Navajo woman. The story was just as good as the others. He's the best.

Bernie, your right. I will want to read the other ones. I love this author.

Flashback wasn't so bad... quite exciting at times, read every OTHER chapter at a time for a cohesive story, TWO cohesive stories then! She switches back and forth from present time to civil war times alternating chapters. Once I caught on, I just skipped ahead on the civil war story because she ended a chapter on a suspenseful note and I COULDN'T WAIT! <BG> Then went back and read all the present-day chapters. Sorry, Ms. Barr; so much for your "flashbacks"!

I'll recommend the book but reservedly. I recommend reading it as I did, otherwise it gets frustrating. A slow starter but gets better as it goes along.

I'm 3/4ths of the way thru the new Agatha Raisin and the Curious Curate and it's quite good, it's one of her better ones, nicely tied together, good plot and I have no idea hu dun it, but I have a feeling it wasn't Mrs. Bloxby's husband, the Vicar, tho everybody says he was jealous.

If you know the series, you will enjoy this one.

If you don't know the series you might enjoy the first one, Agatha Raisin and the Quiche of Death.

She sure has written a lot of books, I remember when she started,

ginny

I am looking forward to the new one, Ginny. I have read all of them so far!

I do need a light break after devouring a bunch of Jefferey Deaver and a Lee Child.

Ginny, I can't remember the author who writes the Agatha Raisin books but I like her other mysteries about the English village and their constable more. What is that author's name?

MC Beaton, Ann, and you're right, she does the Hamish McBeth Scottish detective ones, too, which is a British TV series now.

I agree, Nettie, I always look forward to a new one by Beaton, consider it a gift when it appears.

I kind of thought the Hamish ones were better when he had the tension with his girlfriend, was it Pricilla? But she's getting it back, (that's one thing, actually, both detectives share, they both keep meeting and breaking up with partners, I just thought of that).

I have a friend in England who says she prefers the Hamish McBeth ones as they seem more "authentic" for some reason, I have no idea why.

And usualy they come out in pairs, have you noticed? Haven't seen the Hamish one yet, tho.

I agree, they are light but fun,

ginny

Ginny, is the series a new one? I haven't seen it listed on PBS station but I will look right now. I,too, preferred the Hamish McBeth stories to Agatha Raisin. But they are all just fun little mysteries.

I think I enjoy his more, too...I read one MC Beaton that was about neither Agatha or Hamish...maybe she will come up with another character?

Thanks for the recommendation I love the series.Agatha is a very gutsy lady!!

Hello all book lovers,

I just picked up a couple of books from the library but I promised I couldn't start them until I get my apartment cleaned, which I am doing today between breaks such as this.

One of the books I picked up is not a mystery but one that several other people not in this group have recommended. It is Pope Joan. Have any of you read it? I have only read about 40 pages but she sounds like a very strong woman and it makes me want to read more. Of course it is in biblical times when women weren't supposed to learn to read and write but she was determined and risked the rath of her father.

A beautiful day here so I must get back to my cleaning.

Bernie

I'm reading a new mystery this week. I'm a total sucker for these Cat Who... books and, incredibly, this one is number 25 in the series! It's called The Cat Who Brought Down the House; author is Lilian Jackson Braun.

She is very skillful at her chosen venue of the "kitty kat kosy". These things are rarely even believable but they grow on one just as some of you are attached to Hamish and Agatha Raisin. So it's a fun week for me.

I read one MC Beaton that was neither Hamish nor Agatha. It came out in 2001 and was titled "Skeleton in the Closet". Here is one review I found: http://www.mysteryone.com/SkeletonClosetReview.htm

The characters and the setting in the Cat Who books amuse me, Jeryn, but I haven't caught up with the new one yet. How could I resist a man and a cat who intuit clues through their facial hair? Skuunk Water, anyone?

I just finished "Shaky Ground", my fourth Bubba Mabry mystery by Steve Brewer. They are not great, and Bubba is a somewhat inept P.I., but it is set is Albuquerque and I am a sucker for the Southwest. They are light reading and the stories move right along.

The Henrie O. mystery set in San Antonio was well done. I don't think I have read anything set in San Antonio before and didn't know they had a river, much less a River Walk. When I picked it up I thought it was going to be in Savannah! "Death on the River Walk" by Caroline Hart.

Perkie, thanks for the info and the link about M. C. Beaton's "Skeleton in the Closet". We read all her books, but hadn't come across that one. We'll look for it.

Hi Jeryn, I love The Cat Who....books. A couple of months ago I finished The Cat Who Went Up the Creek. I would love to read this whole series. Sadly, I have only read three of the series. I love KoKo and the other one.

I, too, like the Henrie O ones...and I'd visited San Antonio some years ago, and what a beautiful place they've made with their River Walk. I'll have to see if the Library has any other new C. Hart ones.

Just finished Kellerman's The Murder Book. I did not like this book as well as many of his others. Its probably my advanced age but I had a hard time remembering all the charcters there were just so many and it had a very odd ending.

I have read all of the Cat Who books so now it is a matter of waiting for the library to get the new one. When I go to the library I always check the shelves where they put the new books. It's always a nice surprise when I find one by an author I like. My other favorite cat person is Carole Nelson Douglas. A book that I am just starting to read is by Candace Robb. I seem to like these stories that are set in England during the 1300s. This latest is called "The Cross-Legged Knight. It is fascinating to learn what life may have been like at this time.

I think one series is much like another, you get hooked on them and keep hoping the next one is as good as the first.

I do know of that one MC Beaton wrote, which is not either Hamish or Agatha, something about a man who lives with his mother or something? If you all do read it, please let us know if it's wroth trying, I think she was attempting to go off in a new direction, do you think she succeeded?

It's interesting that sometimes authors tire of their characters, witness Arthur Conan Doyle who killed off Sherlock Holmes only to give in to pleas, including those of his mother, to resurrect him. Also interesting that Basil Rathbone, to many the quintessential Holmes, also gave him up at the height of a radio and film career, thought he was smothering him.

I read a real mystery the other day which was as interesting as fiction, Who Killed Napoleon? Now there's the stuff of a fascinating mystery? Arsenic found in the remains, but was it administered? Was it, in fact in the wallpaper of one of his houses to blame? Was that wallpaper green? What has that to do with anything?

I found that very exciting to read, a real life forensics mystery!

ginny

Perkie

Are you a new name here or have I not been in here for a long time? If you are new, welcome!

Our library discussion group read "Pope Joan" last year and really liked it. It was interesting to see how many of us thought that it might have really happened and-------what if? Whoa! I believe it takes place in Medieval times, doesn't it?

There is a similar book about a priest who served an Indian tribe, on a reservation. Its an amazing read but probably more obviously fiction than "Pope Joan". Can't remember the title. I will see if I can find it for you.

Thanks Ann Alden,

Thought no one ever reads my messages because you are the only one that has responded to Pope Joan. My sister had recommended it and I am just getting into it and really like how strong and intelligent this person "Joan" is becoming from the time she was four years old. The story does move along quickly so it makes it more interesting.

Thank you. Bernie

I'm sorry, Bernie, I did not mean to ignore you, my bad. Yes we have had Pope Joan recommended!! haahaha We had a friend of the author's a year or so back recommend it about 5000 times, so we've definitely heard of it, but no one wanted to lead it as a discussion, so she went elsewhere with it, I am sorry not to have responded! Glad you are enjoying it and Ann enjoyed it!

ginny

WHERE HAVE ALL THE READERS GONE, LONG TIME PASSING!

Etc. Etc. I don't know all the words to that song but it seemed appropriate because no one seems to be posting.

Bernie

We're reading, of course! Please refer to posts on the Dante Club (a mystery). Must make notes on that one. Just finished my second Nevada Barr. Finally starting on "The Little Friend". If you think you're neglected, you should see this room! (No, you shouldn't.) ...Babi

I've just started reading The Dante Club. So far it is Fabulous!

Just finished a new Marshal Guarnaccia Investigation "Some Bitter Taste" by Magdalen Nabb. This series is set in Florence, Italy. The Marshal is considered "slow" by many of his compatriots but his boss recognizes that he has an intuitive way of solving crimes. These are not exciting reads but thoughtful and interesting in their own way.

Just finished Quiet Time by Stephanie Kane. What an excellent book this is her second book, the first being Blind Spot. I think we will hear more from her.

And I'm reading the latest John Grisham, The King of Torts... only about half way through but it seems to be a very timely and political theme in this mystery. It's about drug companies rushing medications to market only to have serious, even fatal side affects come to light after thousands of people have used the medication.

Of course, it's also about the greedy lawyers and their methods for making big bucks from these medical fiascos. I'm fascinated.

Sounds like an excellent book, Jery.....After reading your synopsis, I just got into my library site and reserved the book.

Bobbie

It's fiction, of course, Bobbie but obviously based on a real present-day problem. I'd love to know if all this material about the attorneys is even close to true. Staggers the mind.

JERY....John Grisham and Robin Cooke....altho' it's fiction, what they write is usually very pertinent and worth reading.

Bobbie

I've been reading some great mysteries one of which I just put up on our Book Exchange, and I know we spoke of Josephine Tey before, her Franchise Affair is really good and I just put it up there, a new unread paperback copy (I had two). I think there's quite a few Robin Cooks on the Exchange, too!

Was not quite so taken with her Singing Sands, however, and put it aside.

Robert Barnard has a new one out with the prettiest cover I have ever seen on a mystery, it's called The Mistress of Alderly and it's a bit hard to get into also due to the brattish children in the thing but knowing Barnard they are there for a reason.

I am REALLY however enjoying The Last Sherlock Holmes Story by Michael Dibdin, it's absolutely marvelous.

I am a huge fan of Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce's Sherlock Holmes series, have all the radio shows and the 14 movies they made and this thing is so true to life and perfect, it has the witty conceit that Sherlock Holmes existed BEFORE ACD as they call him wrote about him, it's just marvelous. Begins with a quote from Doyle, When asked by the actor William Gilette if he might introduce a love interest to Holmes in a movie, Sir Arthur briskly cabled,

Marry him, murder him, do what you like with him.

haahahaha and Dibdin does just that, purists will shrink in horror but it's very well written, if Holmes is your hero, tho you won't like this shocking one, but a very clever conceit from beginning to end.

ginny

Ginny, on your recommendation I'm adding the Dibdin (unusual name) to my book list. I have the 'complete works' on Sherlock Holmes. My library is purchasing the 'ladies of Covington' books. I asked about them, and on checking the reviews they thought their patrons would like them. I'm first on the list, of course. ....Babi

Back from our rv adventure.. Found another Rick Riordan, when we were in Texas. Nice used book store in Corpus Christie.. Very large,, Has new,used,hardback,paperback, audio and a cafe.. I found in San Antonio that Rick is quite faithful to his area and you can use him as a roadmap.. Fun.. I like authors who do that.

Tony Hillerman and J. A. Jance are both very true to their chosen locations. We always read their books with maps in hand. We have followed Hillerman's routes in New Mexico and AZ using the AAA Indian Country map and the DeLorme Gazetteers. Great fun!

The book discussion of "The Nine Tailors" by Dorothy L. Sayers will begin May 12. Here's a link to the discussion.The Nine Tailors

Bill H

Bill that looks fabulous, and they say it's one of the best ever written!

Babi, I hope you like it, it will not be to everybody's taste, but it's amazing to me, having just read the Cornwell Jack the Ripper book, how much Dibdin knew 10 years ago when this corrected version came out.

Dibdin is British and his books were for a long time not widely known in the States or available, I used to pick some up on every trip, NOW of course what with Amazon UK and Amazon France, you can get anything tho I much prefer our own SeniorNet Barnes & NOble branch, just got a super deal there on Upstairs, Downstairs, the complete series.

Dibdin, I think now lives in America, tho I'm not sure. He wrote also The Dying of the Light and A Rich Full Death among many others which mystery fans might also know.

I have just sent Larry 31 books for the Book Exchange and quite a few are mysteries (and quite a few mysteries are also already on the list) so when he gets it up after the weekend, you might want to chack out our Book Exchange!

ginny

Stephanie,

Please let me know the name of the book store in Corpus Christi that you spoke about. I will be spending two months in the southern area of Texas next February and March and would look for it.

Bernie

The book store is on the Padre Island Expressway in the same center as the Hobby Lobby. It is quite large and I think might have been Half off or something of that sort. They did not give me a bookmark.. Darn.. so dont remember the name.. However the Expressway is the biggie in Corpus.. This is on the south side incidently.. The mall is on the north side pretty close, so use that as a guide. If you like Thai food, there is also a new restaurant called Thai Spice that was super.. Very hot and very authentic.. Loved it, although I sweated the rest of the evening.

Stephanie you do go to the most interesting places and Bernie, you're going to South Texas? Oh golly last year we swung south coming back from Oklahoma on a trip to my friend's mother, and went to San Antonio (and met up with two of our SeniorNetters there, Harold and Barbara St. Aubrey) and stayed on Riverwalk downtown and I can truly say I have never seen anything like that in my life.

I am just....it was magic, just loved everything about it. Harold's a Docent at the Institute for Texas Culture and the missions there. And you walk FROM Riverwalk which is lined with restaurants and bands and people singing but you (please excause the enthusiasm, it was my first trip to Texas) you walk FROM Riverwalk to the Alamo thru the... I think it's the Mariott's endless cascades of water and air conditioned landscaping, you have to see it to believe it. Came home a total fan of Riverwalk, San Antonio, and Mariachi music which I had never heard. We're supposed to "go west" for our next Bookfest and I really think we should lean towards San Antonio and the Austin Texas Book Festival in 2004.

Sorry to get off the subject, I came IN here to say many new mysteries up on the Book Exchange, but the biggest surprise to me is The Nine Tailors that Bill is going to start discussing the first 100 pages of on Monday by Dorothy L. Sayers!!!!!!!

I guess you all have read it?

I had not and last night picked it up and literally could not put it down.

If you have, like me, somehow missed The Nine Tailors, PLEASE stop by the library and read two pages, you will be hooked, they will have to throw you out when they turn off the lights, and join Bill in his new endeavour, let's help him out, reading the classic mysteries together, I'm telling you, if you miss this one you will regret it!

Poor old Sherlock Holmes was pushed aside!

ginny

Carolyn Hart wrote a book that took place on the Riverwalk. It really brought back memories of being there for me.

Mary

EME, really? Do you recall the name?? I just saw a PBS program on Mariachi, it's getting important, too, I could LIVE on Riverwalk!

ginny

Ginny, It was one in the Henry O series, something like 'Death on the Riverwalk'. I think.

Mary

Mary!! Oh boy oh boy you are SOO right! Death on the River Walk it is, and just gave myself a present, THANK you so much!!

Riverwalk is this kind of river that (for those who have not been there) that winds theu downtown San Antonio: it's like Disney World, boats, paths on both sides of the water, stores, restaurants line the banks and music fills the air, it's something anybody needs to see, once!

ginny

The Carolyn Hart was a Henry O mystery and quite good. Someone else wrote a neat mystery about Riverwalk and for the life of me cannot remember who. Just that it was very very good. Might have been Laura Lippman,, Will have to check.

For all of you who expresed interest in participating in "The Nine Tailors," by Dorothy L Sayers, The discussion is now open.

The Nine Tailors

Bill H

Ginny, I would be whooping with glee if SeniorNet came to San Antonio/Austin for the next Bookfest. As a near-Houston resident, I could get to that one! I don't think I'll be making any more expensive long-distance trips, but San Antonio is practically the backyard. (In Texan terms of reference, that is. )...Babi

re the Bookfest - Having it in San Antonio would be great - the travel there and and transpostation around the city would be excellent Hope it happens! isak

I am sorry to say that I started "The Girl in Hyacinth Blue" and am greatly disappointed. It is a string of rather gloomy short stories flimsily connected by possession of a particular painting. There is no attempt to follow the provenance of the painting, showing how it moved from one person to the next, which is what I had expected. After reading three of the stories, I am taking it back to the library. Why spend more time on something I don't like. Sorry...Babi

Just a query. I have been struggling hard for the past week with a book called "The Church of Dead Girls" by Stephen Dobyns. I picked it up used since he generally does racing stories and they are fun. This is destinctly not fun, but truly an odd book. I cannot tell you if I like it or hate it.. It is sort of Our Town done around gruesome murders. How they affect a small town and its people.. Has anyone else read this? I would surely love to discuss it with them.

Those of you who might be interested in attending either a Bookfest in San Antonio, Texas, in 2004 or helping out at our table at the National Book Festival in October of 2003, or possibly going to a mini Bookfest in 2003 in Boston, please come on over to the Community Center where you will find happy plans bubbling!

ginny

I have just finished "Tricky Business" by the humorist columnist Dave Barry. I haven't read a funnier book in years. Not for the prudish, but FUNNY!!! It's about a gambling ship from Miami and drug smugglers.

Oscar

Stephanie, that book you're reading sounds kind of depressing. I avoid "gruesome" wherever possible, myself!

Oscar, a funny mystery sounds great. I remember Dave Barry used to [maybe still does but our paper doesn't carry it] write a newspaper column which was fairly amusing. Now he's writing mysteries, eh? Might have to add that to my list...

Has anyone read Prey by Michael Crichton? Comments would be welcome. My son had gotten it as a gift, read it then loaned it to us. My husband read it and did not think much of it. Usually I like this author so I'll have to give it a try.

Dave's story is more of an adventure than mystery, but it's the same author, and yes, he still writes his column.

Oscar

Dave Barry is funny, but was not overfond of the first mystery he wrote.. Jeryn,, The book is not so much gruesome as horrifying. A small town dealing with the mysterious abduction of three young teen girls, one at a time in public circumstances and the way the various people react and interact. Tearing peoples lives apart actually. I finished it, but will remember it for a long long time. Much of it was true as I thought about it and I did grow up in a teeny town and I can imagine the people who lived there reacting like this if they came to realize it had to be one of them doing the disappearances ( and murders, but all through the book until the end, there was just proof of disappearances)

I've read "PREY", Jeryn. It is a little 'thinner' than his usual stories, and heavy on the "can't trust anyone" theme. But it is still an entertaining read, and points out one of the potential dangers in the creation of self-replicating nanoprobes. ...Babi

Stephanie, that sounds like one I'd just as soon skip... I appreciate your review but for negative reasons!

Thanks, BaBi. I'm just getting started, really. Interesting science fictional premise but I think already I can guess the main plot lines... we shall see. I'll report when finished.

I'm reading John Grisham's THE BRETHERAN, and enjoying it.

Bobbie

Just finished With Malice by Rachel Lee and enjoyed it very much. It is the second book of hers I have read. Of course I didn't remember that but when I went into my book software sure enought I had read another book of hers.

Am reading the new to paperback John Sandford.. Something Prey.. I love his, but cannot keep them straight. This one has the subplot that he and Weather are getting married , having a baby and rebuilding his house.. I always like him, one of the very few violent authors I read

I liked Prey very much and sent it on the Exchange to an eager recipient, it's a bit formulaic, but I thought it was really good and a lot better than Utopia, which everybody has been raving over.

I'm reading Too Many Ghosts by Paul Gallico, it's not a new book but it was recommended recently in a list of the best mysteries/or books you should not miss, some strange titles on the list, but I'm really enjoying it, huge old country house, ghosts, and a skeptical ghost buster and all this originally serialized in 1959 in the Saturday Evening Post: good book.

I also got already!!??!! in the mail yesterday Death on Riverwalk , which was recommended here when we were talking about the possibility of the 2004 Bookfest in San Antonio/ Austin Texas (go check out the Community Center, it looks VERY doable!!) and it looks super, many thanks for that recommendation. Have gotten two more Dorothy L, Sayers, as I am so impressed with The Nine Tailors now being discussed and just the descriptions of the plots make your mouth water, lots of good reading!!

ginny

I finished Prey, skimming through much of it. Crichton is SO skilled at what he does but after a bit, my eyes cross on the inevitability of it all! A decent tale of sci-fi disaster requiring only that you have a totally open mind! <LOL>

If you really get into this kind of thing, I don't recommend reading it just before bedtime!

Ginny, Welcome to the Dorothy Sayers Society. I love all of the few mysteries and read and reread them. Harriet was sort of annoying periodically, but at that point in history quite a new type of woman.

I seem to be on a role lately. I found another great book that really kept me on the edge of my seat. In All The Wrong Places by Donna Anders

Pleasant surprise! I picked up a like-new copy of Carolyn Hart's "The Christie Caper" from a library 'sale books' shelf. Got it home and discovered it was signed by the author, addressed to someone named Helen. I wonder if 'Helen' got it into the library box by mistake. Well, not knowing who Helen might be, I can't offer it back to her. However, if someone here is an avid Hart fan and would love to have an autographed copy of her book, ..sing out. ...Babi

I have always enjoyed James Patterson's books, but I did't enjoy the "1st To Die or his A Second Chance. They just didn't seem as good as his other books. It seemed to me that something was lacking.

Babi, what a kind person you are, what a kind thing for you to think of, instead of thinking whee I have a signed book you want to give it back to Helen if you could find her, you're a mensch!!

Almost thru Too Many Ghosts and it's really something else, some of the ghosts have been solved but some remain, it's holding up till the end very nicely and of course I have no clue but the detective does! hahahha I love Country House mysteries.

Especially with ghosts and snow.

Eddiem, What did you think of Patterson's The Beach House?? I just bought it but caught a whiff of some very negative press about him beind some kind of ...I dunno, is there something about Patterson I missed?

Anyway The Beach House looks good.

Do you think he's on a series, with FIRST to die and SECOND chance? Are they the same characters?

ginny

Ginny, yes that is a small series.. I liked it, but a lot of people did not. I am reading a Victoria Thompson. She writes about a turn of the century midwife and a policeman.. Interesting series.

Ginny, I haven't read The Beach house yet. I must have missed Negative Press too, because I haven't heard about anything going on with him. I know I didn't care for the 1st Die and the Second Chance. Did you enjoy The Beach House? I hope it is as good as his earlier series.

Eddie M

Eddie, I haven't started it yet, just finished Too Many Ghosts last night, and am not 100 percent sure I didn't figure that one out, I enjoyed it, very much, and now need to complete The Nine Tailors by Dorothy Sayers as Bill is discussing it in his Classic Mystery series, do you like the old mysteries?

Am preparing to lead All is Vanity (not a mystery) by Christina Schwarz and it's overwhelming my life at present so Beach House I may not get to for a while.

Thank you, Stephanie, you guys are SO well up on your mysteries, in here!

Me, too, Eddie, I had not heard anything negative about him, that is other than there WAS something that others seem to know: of course we can't expect all our authors to be perfect personnages, wasn't there something about his wife??!

ginny

I just finished this. It was an interesting tale, but some may be offended by the premise, particularly Roman Catholics. I don't believe the premise presented myself, but the writing is good, and there's a lot about the Louvre and Paris. It seems well researched.

Oscar

I just finished the latest Dismas Hardy/Abe Glitzky adventure by John Lescroart called The First Law. I love these characters, having read the previous 11 in the series. They have quite an ordeal in this outing. I recommend it to all Lescroart fans. He has never disappointed me yet, as I fear, many other series writers have come to do.

I've been intrigued by the reviews and popularity of The Da Vinci Code, Oscar. Glad to see your take on it. Would it be spoiling the story to know what "the premise" is?

I think it would spoil the "surprise." Let's just say that it concerns the search for the Holy Grail from clues provided by Da Vinci's works.

Oscar

Good enough, Oscar! Thanks.

Guess who's been thinking about you?[ haha]Ripley's Game is out at the movies? Have you been? You were asking about Patterson? Can't remember just where/when i thought"this isn't his style" and look, now co-authors have been declared? I'm rather bored with the stuff being churned out now.Have just found 2 really good reads in a 2nd hand bookshop.The Weatherman[very different and atmospheric as well as being a whoduunit]situated in what i was told in the novel to be where the author lives ,has temperatures varying from +30 degrees to - whatever.Any guesses? And The Traveller, quite an old book in fact,1987,but a page turner.

I am a John Lescroat fan is this his latest?Do any of you read Ridley Pearson?

Good to see you here again. Thanks, roidininki, for those ideas. Do you know the authors? Yes, that is Lescroart's latest... The First Law. What has Ridley Pearson written?

Roi!! No, really? Ripley's Game is out? In England? Who stars in it? I was just thinking about the original Ripley the other day and thinking I might like to see it again, thank you for that!

Oh so Patterson fudged, I didn't know that, apparently he's not well liked and so it's hard to know what to believe or not.

Well it's so good to see you again, I have no clue where temperatures fluctuate so violently, the Poles??

I wold have said South Carolina these past weeks but not quite that violently!

So good to see you again, where you been??

ginny

The author of The Weatherman is Steve Thayer,and The Traveller was the 2nd novel by John Katzenbach who is now quite an author.Both Americans

I've been doing other things haha.The guess was good,search for an M town now.That's why the book is entitled The Weatherman,he was on the most watched weatherstation on tv ...in the book,but the town is well known in reality of course as the author lives/d there. Ripley's Game, yes,starring John Malkovitch[a v.well known actor?] as Tom and Dougray Scott[maybe you're not familiar with him... er....mindsearching.... Enigma? did you see that? the book was good but i didn't see the film]

Thanks, roidininki... both books sound intriguing.

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Just finished the new paperback Diane Mott Davidson. Too much about the obnoxious son and her energies being used to please him. If anyone really treated a child like he is treated, he would become the worlds most obnoxious adult.. Sad..

Stephanie: Was that one Sticks and Scones? I agree on the Arch thing. It's just getting to be too much...as the constant references to the abusive ex-husband were. It's making a series I've enjoyed in the past less so.

Jane, I feel like that too. Plus this time she made Marla as the type of woman I simply will not be around. Not sure just where she is going in the series. Maybe she is just plain tired of the characters. Otherwise she needs to get on with it. Goldie is fun, when she is not pampering that blasted kid.

I was so disappointed in this last book and yet I felt guilty, too. When an author that I have fallen in love with and gobble up everything they write comes along with something that I don't like, I feel sort of unfaithful, or something. Isn't that ridiculous? I guess I should feel that THEY are the ones being unfaithful for disappointing me! 8-(

I agree, Phyll, but it seems to happen to all the authors I like...or liked. Robert Ludlum disappointed me greatly in the books he wrote in the last years...nothing as powerful as Parsifal Mosaic or other early ones..in my opinion. I finally gave up on him. The one published after his death was better, I thought, than those boring Borne ones where he had so many characters even he lost track of them!

I hope Mott Davidson can get Goldie back on track and have Arch grow up and "The Jerk" stay in jail. I don't understand, either, how in that small town, any woman would go to a gyn who's been jailed several times for domestic abuse? DUH!

Jane, I grew up in a small town with a gp..( before the ob-gyn nonsense.. This doctor did not believe in drugs.. Screamed and shouted at his mothers. Generally acted like you would not believe to women and still had a substantial practice. used to drive me nuts.. My mother thought he was wonderful. I feel like you do about favorite authors. For one thing I am always convinced that authors who become very popular force their publisher into coming out with their early novels.. no matter how bad. I loved Anne Rice's early vampire novels and even the first two witches books, but now I refuse to read any more of them.. Just got way too silly.

Stephanie: I'm not sure if it's the authors pushing the publishers or the publishers pushing the authors to get out another "best seller" , but whatever, I think that the quality deteriorates quickly when that happens to many authors.

I'm reading quite a good book.....Presumption of Guilt by Lelia Kelly.

Bobbie

I am reading what is a fun type mystery. This is the second book in a series.. Lindsay Maracotta "The Dead Celeb" It is based on a Hollywood couple. He is a producer and she does animated films.. Funny and interesting. Not too much crime usually. Very very light

Just finished a great book. Its called Whiskey Island by Emilie Richards. I am not sure if its called a mystery or romance I call them my mystery/romance books. It takes place in Cleveland Ohio and happened in the 1800's but the people in 2000 are slowly finding out what happened. This book was a great help to me as I was reading it when I lost my best friend. Books have to be our best friends.

Hey, Judy! That is so neat... there really IS a Whiskey Island in Cleveland, you know! I'll have to read that one! Whiskey Island is a flat, industrial-port sort of area west of downtown Cleveland at the mouth of the Cuyahoga River where it dumps into Lake Erie.

Books have certainly always been my best friends... always there for you, aren't they?!

Jerry thats it, its Whiskey Island in Cleveland. Has mystery romance and a catholic priest and one who is not. It was a great story, could be true I am not sure. It tells about these really rich people on a beautiful street and the poor irish people down below in what my Mother would call shack town,

I finished A Dress to Die For by Dolores Johnson. The main character owns a dry cleaner.

That's a new twist, Hats! A dry cleaners... did you like the book?

I've just finished the latest Stephen White thriller, The Best Revenge, tenth [I think] in the series about Dr. Alan Gregory, fictional clinical psychologist of Boulder CO. Does anyone else read this series? If so, what did you think of this one??

I'm afraid the plot stretched my credulity clear out of shape! Nonetheless, I found myself reading avidly for a couple of days till it was finished! So I guess it's entertaining enough. I just wish the good doctor would stick to his confidentiality issues one way or another and hang it up with all the angst.

I just finished "Hornet Flight" a new book by Ken Follett. It's about the German occupation of Denmark during WW2. A real page turner, it's really excellent.

Oscar

Jeryn, I loved the dry cleaning slant because my father owned a dry cleaner. Anyway, this mystery starts with a woman who is murdered. She regularly visits the cleaner. She owned a specialty shop. One day she bought a dress by Fortuny worth tons of money and.....

It is a light mystery. I think of it as a cozy. So, it's a fast read, and the author has more books.

The Best Revenge and Hornet Flight sound very good.

Thanks, Oscar, Hats... I read a couple of Ken Follett's books a long time ago. I do remember them as real page turners. I think I have one of his in my pile of "to reads"... something about "Lying Down with Lions"? Have you read that one, anyone?

I think I have read it, but can't remember the story (I read a LOT). I have never read one of his books that I didn't like.

Oscar

I have a Ken Follett book from the library which I'll be reading soon.....Hornet Flight.

Bobbie

"Hornet Flight" is excellent. Hard for me to put down. A well written story about Denmark and Great Britain during the early war years when Denmark was occupied by the Nazi's.

Oscar

OSCAR......Sounds excellent. I'd better make sure I have big blocks of time to read if I'll have difficulty putting it down.<g>

Bobbie

To all the Aussies here, I noted a new book at the library that said it was the first American publication by this Australian author. The book was "Gilgamesh", by (Ruth?, Jean?) London. (I didn't stop to write it down, I was doing bulk check-in at the time.)

What can you 'down under' folks tell me about this lady and her books?...Babi

BaBi......Gilgamesh by Joan London. Review as follows: http://www.yap.com.au/channels/books/article/2715.html

Bobbie

Thanks, Bobbiecee. It sounds like a really good read. I was surprised to learn that the main character is the youngest daughter of the people the story began with! I will be interested to see how the author handles that without having everyone tapping their foot, waiting for her to 'get on with it!'. Babi

I read another Victoria Thomson and have almost finished all she has written about the midwife at the turn of the century. A lovely sort of small series. Good writer and plots that hold together well. I am now working on a Jane Isenberg.. Midlife is Murder.. All about a menopausal lady who solves crimes. I can relate to the first part anyway.

Just started a book by a new author (new to me). Her name is Patricia Moyes and the title of the book is Dead Men Don't Ski. Starts out holding my interest. Will report back later.

Tomorrow I will return to the library 5 books.

Two of them are the latest ones by Nevada Barr. It was fun to visit Mississippi's Natchez Trace again in Hunting Season. Judging from the way Flashback ended I think we will be visiting there again. Flashback was interesting because I know that I'll never travel 75 miles from Florida to visit Garden Key. They probably don't let tourists visit the really interesting parts anyway. I have wondered where the Dry Tortugas was. It is often part of our weather report.

Three books are by Sara Hoskinson Frommer. Her books are very quick to read and is set in Indiana where Joan Spencer who is a widow and plays a viola. She plays in a small orchestra and works in a daycare center for older people. She is involved with a police officer. Together they solve mysteries. Joan marries Lt. Fred Lundquist in the 4th book. His family are Swedish Americans so that is interesting to me because my great grandmother was originally from Sweden. Swedish-American culture as well as music is reflected in all these stories. Right now there are 5 books written by this author. I want to see if tomorrow I can find the last one that I haven't read yet. And I do hope that since Joan and Fred are now married this author plans on writing some more.

I'm reading Hornet Flight. I see what you mean.....hard to put down. Fortunately it just started raining....my excuse to curl up this afternoon with the book.

Bobbie

"Tell No-One"...by Harlan Coben....Fast, exciting, I can't work out the ending...Hope to finish tonight...2 days...Have to force myself away...My son fetched Harlan's "One False Move" for me from the libary today.....He really is a fast pacer...(Very clever plot)...He needs to be to fill the void.as..I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms awaiting the new Steve Martini.....due out this Summer....."The Arraignment" was good but of all his novels "Critical Mass" was my favourite....He's a great story-teller.I've read everything of his to date and he is my favourite...beats Grisholm into a cocked-hat...

I read an excellent book on my trip, It was called Killing the Shadows by Val McDermid. The story is of a serial killer who is targeting Mystery Writers who have written about serial killings. It was a fascinating read.

Val McDermid.. She has written a lot of good stuff and a few bombs.. But for the most part, I like her very much.

After several months of struggling to learn PhotoShop, I have given up. I just don't retain information the way I used to do in school. And I don't really seem motivated to do so. Anyway, I am back and have been scanning messages to catch up on what everyone is reading. One small advantage is that I have caught up on some of the suggestions on my list!

Thanks, Babi and Bobbiecee, for Joan London. I have been hooked on books set in Australia since I picked up my first up my first Arthur Upfield and fell in love with Boney. I have also read several travel books set in Australia and am fascinated by the country with its unique fauna.

I've never read Val McDermid, Judy, but have definitely put 'Killing the Shadows' on my list. Thanks.

I really enjoyed Laurie R. King's new book 'Keeping Watch'. It is not really a sequel of 'Folly' but it is set in the same area and the main character uses the island. I love her work, haven't met one I didn't like!

I also caught up with Elizabeth Peters' 'In pursuit of the proper sinner' the latest in the Lynly/Havers series. I like the rich detail and love Havers rebelliousness. I can see Hadiyyah in my mind, bubbling with life.

Hi Perkie,

I loved Folly by Laurie R. King. I liked learning about this woman who gained her independence while living alone on the island. It made me think a lot about solitude and working hard to overcome traumatic experiences.

I did not Know about 'Keeping Watch.' Thanks for mentioning the title.

Lightening,what a good nom de plume!I'm a Harlan Coben fan !His website e mail me and we have No Second Chance out here in England ,have you?It's got a good review ;as you say he's fast and pacy"a better writer than Grisham"said the reviewer.I thought Tell No One and Gone For Good were excellent,at the risk of repeating myself one is being made into a movie.

Hello there, we have Val McDermid's latest out here, called The Last Temptation.

Although I haven't been in here in a coon's age, I have really enjoyed reading the last 24 messages but must go back through then to write down some authors that I have never read. My reason for coming in today was to mention two videos that my husband and I just watched that were extremly well done mysteries. One titled, "Dandelion Dead" based on a true story and out on an HBO Home video. Very well done. Set in England with Sarah Miles and the actor who played the king who married Wallis Simpson. The other video is titled, "Have His Car Case" by Dorothy Sayers, out on a BBC video. I love the setting of both of these movies. The old cars, the Sayers movie is set in the 20's and the old cars are incredible. The other video, 'Dandelion Dead" is set in earlier times also but I believe there are old cars in that one too. Funny thing when you watch two long movies on consecutive days, the first one gets lost or mixed up in your mind with the second one. Anyway, if you are interested do inquire at your local libray which is where I got mine.

YIKES, forgive this old editor... "Elizabeth Peters' 'In pursuit of the proper sinner'" quoth someone above. Actually, Elizabeth GEORGE wrote In Pursuit of the Proper Sinner, among several featuring Thomas Lynley and Barbara Haver.

Also noted... "titled, 'Have His Car Case' by Dorothy Sayers". Hmmmm, Dorothy Sayers wrote a fine detective novel called Have His Carcase, among many starring the indomitable Lord Peter Wimsey. Could this be the name also of the video, I'm guessing?

Many thanks to all of you for continuing to recommend mysteries that you have read and enjoyed. This is a real public service for all of us addicted ones!

I'm reading The Dark House by John Sedgwick and having difficulty putting it down.

Bobbie

A new McDermid.. Oh joy. I wait for paperback, so it will be a while. Are you talking of an old Elizabeth George. I think I have read all of hers. I do love them. Havers is such a neat confused type person. Also a new Lauri King.. Oh heavenly day.. I have never read one of hers that I did not absolutely adore.

Jeryn and Ann: Yes, "Have his carcase" is the Dorothy L. Sayers book, done so well and featuring Edward Petherbridge as a wonderful incarnation of Lord Peter. I have "Stong Poison", "Gaudy Night" and "...carcase" - and what a tour de force. All of them are really good illustrations of the characters we all know so well from Sayers, and the rather riveting stories that she spins. Isak

Mea culpa, mea culpa! I did indeed credit Peters instead of George for 'In Pursuit of the Proper Sinner'. Please consider it a senior moment instead of sloppiness.

'The Dark House' sounds good and has gone on my list, Bobbie. I notice that John Sedgwick has also written one other book of fiction, but with a Mystery fiction subject heading 'The education of Mrs. Bemis'. Possibly a crossover book! Have you read that one? It was published 2 years after 'The Dark House'.

Yes, Stephanie, that was THE Elizabeth George being mentioned. I too, have read all her great mysteries with those characters, Lynley and Haver.

I did not much care for her recent short story collection, though. Called I, Richard... seemed to me that each and every story was eminently forgettable, and indeed, I have forgotten the plots completely!

Ah, another Lord Peter fan! I DO agree, they are wonderful, each and every one, isak! Hard to pick a favorite. Having read them all many years ago, I've reread two or three of them in recent years and never disappointed. Now I must pull out Have His Carcase and reread that one...

Perkie, I picked up The Dark House yesterday at the library too! It's starting out with a quite different sort of character, isn't it?

I also picked up the second mystery novel by C.J. Box; the first one was pretty good. And The Bone Vault, recommended to me by several people, both here and in my real world!

I am reading my first mystery by Margaret Maron. It is called Uncommon Clay. It is a Deborah Knott Mystery. I am finding it hard to put down. There is a lot of information about pottery making which I find very interesting.

James Lucas Nordan is involved in a nasty devoirce. Now, he has been found murdered.

PERKIE.....No I haven't read The Education of Mrs Bemis. I did finish The Dark House. Lots of twists and turns in the book.

JERY.....Keep reading.....You'll see why the main character is like he is....and you'll see a big change in him.

Bobbie

Just finished a book by Kate Wilhelm called Death Qualified and what a great book. I am becoming a real fan of hers. She is a Northwest Author and lives in Eugene Oregon. I looked in my records and have read two of her other books. Deepest Water and Desperate Measures. She writes to where you just don't want to put it down.

Margaret Maron... I love Judge Knott. REad all of the stories. They are wonderful and draw you into her whole extended family. I love all of them.

Stephanie, good. I am going to get The Bootlegger's Daughter next time.

Just finished The Beach House by James Patterson. He seems to be on some sort of soap box.. Did it before in Jack and Jill.. All in all a crusader of sorts.

I also love Maron's books--both of her series. Have read them all. She also had an interesting little short story on her web page that I downloaded.

I have discovered an author of mysteries I really like. Her name is Carolyn G. Hart. I love the heroin she calls HenryO. She is a senior citizen just like us and she really gets around. I have already read the 5 our library has.

I am currently reading my first Steve Martino book, and finding it very enjoyable. He does tend to a great deal of hyperbole, and seems as cynical about most things as his supporting character Henry Hinds. It's still a good read. ...Babi

BaBi, my husband and I have enjoyed most all the Steve Martini books too; the earliest ones were the best, though.

I finally waded through The Dark House someone in here recommended... what a weird bunch of characters, especially the main guy; what a weird plot! I didn't really like it since gratuitous sex and violence are just not my cup of tea. Too bad. The main idea behind the plot --the old disappearance/murder in the family-- had possibilities.

I am reading my first James Patterson mystery. It's The Jester. It's very hard to put down. I am really enjoying it.

What has happened to Viogert? I haven't seen a post from her in a long while.

Howzat

Thanks for the book report on "The Dark House", JERYN. Now I know to avoid it. I don't care for that type, either. ...Babi

Indeed, where IS Viogert??? Haven't seen Roidininki in a while either.

Thanks, BaBi. Glad to help! That's what this place is all about, isn't it?!

Hi all - Have read a few of the messages posted here, and will go back and read a lot more I hope. So far I haven't seen but a few of you say you enjoy Janet Evanovich, Ridley Pearson, T.Jefferson Parker, or the guy who wrote "The Hearse You Rode In On", can't remember his name, think it's Tim Cockey, or something like that. I enjoy all these writers. Kathy Reich I prefer over Patricia Cornwall. Love both the Kellermans - have given up on Stephen King, he got too macabre there for a while. Just finishing up a Clive Cussler book, I like the action, adventure, suspense, and mostly the sci/fi he incorporates into his stories. Is he considered a mystery writer? How can I forget the Robert B. Parker books! Love those too............Jay

Bogtrotter, I just read "Murder in the Hearse Degree" by Tim Cockey and enjoyed it. We used to live near Baltimore and Annapolis, where the plots take place, so especially enjoyed reading it.

Hi FlaJean- Lucky you - I hardly ever read books until after everyone else has read them. I use the library and there is a waiting list for all the new books, sometimes I've put my name on that list, but not too often. I don't buy books or even accept them when friends give them to me - I just don't have any more room in my house to store them. I've saved some of my favorites and given the rest to the library. That happened one day when I noticed piles of books stacked up on just about every available surface in the house! The library is my "home away from home"...........Jay

WELCOME Bogtrotter! Thanks for sharing some of your favorite mystery authors with us... this is the place to do it! I jotted down a couple of them that I'm not familiar with.

I'm reading Linda Fairstein's The Bone Vault now. It was a litte confusing at the start, probably because I've not read any of her earlier works in the series. But I've persisted and it's getting quite interesting. More later...

I can relate to having no more room for books! Just last month, I made a huge donation to a local library for their summer sale. Then I went to the sale and bought some more!

Ahhhhhh, so many books... so little time.

From time to time I have corresponded with J. A. Jance about her books. Following is a copy of an e-mail received today re a new release.

"Dear Oscar,

It's mid July. The next book, Exit Wounds, is a Joanna Brady that goes on sale July 22. The Grand Opening events take place that day in Seattle. There will be signings in the local area--which is to say Washington State--at both the beginning and the end of the book tour which has been posted on the website, www.jajance.com, under the heading of schedule. Please check there for detailed information about each of the signings.

Please be aware that this is MY database. No one else deals with it, not even my husband. I'm sitting here with my own fingers on my own keyboard sending you this.

If you want to be removed from the list, all you have to do is ask, but be assured, your name is not being used for any purpose other than to let you know about upcoming J. A. Jance books. If your ISP changes, please pass that information along, because if an e-mail I send bounces, that person's name is removed from the list.

I hope you love this book. I particularly like the cover with me and my two red dog golden retrievers, Aggie and Daphne, after Agatha Christie and Daphne Du Maurier, pictured there.

Enjoy.

JAJance

PS Feel free to forward this to anyone you think might be interested."

Oscar

I have finished Steve Martini's "Undue Influence", and found it very readable. However, I had figured out a number of things long before I got to the end. Since this is my first book by him, I don't know if that is typical or not. ...Babi

Oscar,, I like J.A. Jance very much, although I like the Seattle series more than the Joanna Brady ones. Still they are both good series. Glad to hear she is a very down to earth person.

Her e-mail address is JAJance@aol.com if you would like to contact her.

Oscar

Someone here mentioned Carolyn Hart's books here a while back so I went to my book store and picked some up. I read Dead Mans Island and enjoyed it very much

There are two series by Carolyn Hart. One is about a bookstore owner.. and the other about an older woman retired as a newspaper reporter. Both are good, but quite different.

Has anyone read one of George Chesbro's books? He and his brother are investigators. His brother is a midget who once worked in a circus - These books could also be called sci/fi, but they are in the mystery section at our town library. I enjoyed reading them and just wondered if anyone else held the same opinion.....J.

I love Carolyn Hart. The bookstore is called Death on Demand. It is a fun series. I like her husband and mother in law too.

Oh Bogtrotter. I had honestly forgotten him. I read three of them and loved them. But they do sort of push the envelope.. Hard to decide if sci-fi or mystery, but great fun. Finally got on.. Senior net for me was down for two days.

It appears that some of the messages I posted yesterday never got where they were supposed to go. I do remember I asked if Stephanie could give me a title for one of Hart's books featuring the retired newspaper reporter. ..Babi

Gosh.. Henry o' is the sleuth and it seems to me that the first one was on an island in South Carolina..If you look in Amazon, there should be a difference in the two series. Annie Darling tends to revolve around holidays and celebrations.

Thanks, Steph. That should help me find one without any trouble. ..Babi

BaBi, Steph, if you want to check on Carolyn Hart's series, you might try these Series Lists.

This link is among the ones above in our heading, folks... they can be quite useful!

Jeryn,, Thanks, I did know that, just was not thinking. I am reading the Patricia Cornwall "Jack the Ripper " book.. Am afraid I dont see the jump she made.. DNA on an envelope and on a stamps.. No clear link that I see with the actual murders.. Simply that he was macabre.. Will keep reading, but as of now.. you got a doubter.

I just finished Margaret Truman's "Murder at Ford Theatre". I do rather enjoy her books - and sometimes I can almost not put them down once I begin to read. So, if I can just sit and read, no matter how late it's getting, I really enjoy that experience. Mostly I do it in bits and pieces. I do like Truman's method and character development - she has a way of drawing one into the character's feeling, so you can at least empathize a bit. A good read!! isak

Here is another website to add to your series list. I find it much easier to use than BookFinder. It is a used bookstore dealer, rather than a publisher/bookseller. It lists Carolyn Hart's other works as well as her series. Click on the address, scroll down to the alphabet and click on the first letter of the author's last name. It is not just mysteries, but I have found many mystery writers there.

http://www.myunicorn.com/biblios.html

I have been catching up on Virginia Rich's early Mrs. Eugenia Potter series. I think I have read them all now that I finally found the first one, 'The Cooking School Murders', on interlibrary loan. I recommend reading it first if you are not familiar with her as her writing improves as she goes along. I would class them as cozies. I actually like the continuation by Nancy Packard a little better as there is more Arizona in it. What seems strange to me is that I don't like Nancy Packard's Jenny Cain series at all! For a list of the series, try:

http://www.myunicorn.com/bibl13/bibl1312.html

I loved the original Virginia Rich books, but dont like the Pickard continuation at all. Dont like Jenny Cain either.. But Pickard has written several books on a true crime writer in Miami that I do like.

isak, I've read several of Margaret Truman's earlier mysteries and enjoyed them too. There are probably several I've missed... sigh. So many books; so little time!

Thanks a bunch for that link to Unicorn, Perkie. It looks wonderful and I've put it in the heading as "More Series Lists". Actually, the first one used to be different, I swear. I believe B&N must have taken over and complexified what was once something quite simple. Or else the cyber gremlins chewed it up!

Stephanie, and all, thanks and keep bringing in those titles. Can't have too many reviews!

I tried 4 chapters into Savage Run, C.J. Box's latest in the game warden series then read the last chapter and decided it wasn't for me. A little too savage right at the beginning... <BG>

I agree, Jeryn, that the first series list was quite different. You could actually look up authors names and have their list. I was so disappointed when B&N turned it into one big ad. I don't like Unicorn quite as much, but it is easy to use and has a lot of names and information. I feel like ordering something from them just to reimburse them a little for all the times I have used it.

After years of watching Inspector Morse on Mystery!, I finally read one of the books, 'The Remorseful Day'. The TV characters match those in the book very closely, but the book began to feel interminable toward the end. I'm sure I wouldn't have liked the book Morse at all if I didn't have the carry-over affection from the TV Morse and for John Thaw. The ending was rather a relief and the only sadness I felt was when Lewis said, "Good-bye, Sir".

I ordered three used books from the Unicorn bookstore and was pleased with the price and service. They are located in Canada. It took about three weeks to receive the books--as I had to mail a check, etc. They have a nice web site.

I like The Jester by James Patterson. It's my first James Patterson book. It is pretty violent in some places. I read pass that because of the time period and historical story setting. It takes place during The Crusades.

Hats. This book is a total change of pace for Patterson. He writes current stuff.. Have not read the Jester, but know it is unlike his stuff.. He is somewhat interesting, but I tend to dislike some of his endings. He loves big time conspiracies..and is quite cynical about the rich getting away with whatever they want..

I'm afraid I am as cynical as James Patterson, Stephanie, about the rich getting away with whatever they want. It is one of the reasons I am so discouraged with the Bush administration.

I finished 'All She Was Worth' by Miyuki Miyabe and idly wondered who did the translation. To my surprise, it was done by my second cousin. I rather lost touch with that branch of the family when they moved to Japan and then the parents retired in Mexico. If I knew where they were, I would write and tell Alfred how much I enjoyed his translation. A fascinating story and well written.

On a lighter note, I thoroughly enjoyed the ninth Roger the Chapman book, 'The Goldsmith's Daughter' by Kate Sedley. I love Roger's investigations on behalf of the Duke of Gloucester, and love even more his family life and the portrayal of 15th century England and centered around the common people instead of the aristocracy.

I seem drawn to Medieval England. I also like the Sister Frevisse mysteries. Margaret Frazer uses the titles of the tales from Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' and this was 'The Maiden's Tale'. They are much more complex than Sedley's simple stories and well told.

You can write a letter to Alfred and send it to the American publisher (the address will be on the copyright page) of the translation with a cover letter to them to please forward your letter to your cousin. What an exciting discovery!

Howzat

I am reading an older mystery.. With Intent to Kill by Nancy Kopp. Quite good.. about children killing children.. First one I have ever read by her.

I like the medieval mysteries as well, and Margaret Fraser is a favorite. Unfortunately, I have read all my library has available..about four. I hope there are more. ...Babi

I have a passion for the Roman mysteries. Lindsey Davis makes me laugh and laugh.. Marcus Didius is a real hoot.And Helena puts up with him, no matter what.

Thank you, Howzat. I had toyed with the idea of writing % the publisher, but was hesitant since it has been such a long time. Your encouragement was just the push I needed.

I love Marcus Didius Falco, Stephanie. I first met him on an audio book that I found intriguing and even purchased several audio editions of later Lindsey Davis books for the library so I could hear them. I am now satisfied to read them rather than wait. I am waiting to get my hands on #14 'The Body in the Bathhouse'.

I finished my third Claire Reynier, 'The Confidence woman' by Judith Van Gieson. I like Claire who works in acquisitions in the University of New Mexico's Center for Southwestern Research and I love to see the names of streets and places in both Albuquerque and Santa Fe that are familiar from my vacations there. The stories are not bad, either, but I like Van Gieson's Neil Hamel series better and smile when Neil mentions her office on Lead Street in Albuquerque.

Another Falco fan here, and I've already read "Body in the Bathhouse". As far as I know, I've read all of these Lindsey Davis books, and just have to hope there are more coming. ...Babi

Small world, Perkie. I live in Albuquerque on Zuni just off of Lead Street. To be exact, on the eastside of town Lead turns into Zuni and I'm a bit beyond that shape-shifting spot.

Marvelle

I read one of the Reynier books and am actively hunting for the others. Used book stores are great for this.

Loved the list of all time favorites and would add another name...Mary Stewart. I loved her books. There were a few names that were new to me but some old friends as well.

Tried reading two new mysteries but just cant seem to get involved. I should have read more of the excerpts. One was Prey by Michael Crichton...he actually a mystery writer? The first chapter gave me nightmares and I fell out of bed..I am still recovering from that mishap. Now I have a childs bed rail midway down the bed as it is usually my feet that go first. The other book I cant remember the name but I have carried to to several doctor appointments lately so you can see how impressed I am. I need to find a good mystery that will keep me enthralled. anna

Michael Crichton is not really a mystery writer, ANNA, but more of the science/adventure type of thing. Prey was not one of his best. I still think Andromeda Strain was his best, tho' I guess Jurassic Park did more to raise the hairs on my head! ...Babi

I also loved Mary Stewart's books. Hadn't thought of her in years.

Babi unless you can tell me it is worth my time to read Prey I am going to pass on it. I loved the Andromeda Strain and Jurassic Park kept my heart beating. This one just doesnt seem to interest me...so what do you think?

FlaJean ,,,,I remember reading Mary Stewart once ...I cant recall which story,,either My Brother David or Nine Coaches Waiting. I started it sometime that day and it was hard to put it down...I prepared dinner and put it on the table and told the family they were on their own....while they ate I sat in a corner of the sofa and finished the book.....biting my lips and feeling the suspense ...she really kept me on tinter hooks....wow ......anna

Loved Mary Stewart, but dont really think of her as a mystery writer.. Never read Michael Crichton, think of him as mostly a horror writer.. Anna.. what type of people do you like to read about. There are so many mysteries out there. Do you like cooking.. Has to be a dozen authors writing cooking type mysteries.. Cats.. several.. dogs, a few.. horses. even there a few.. serial killers, legal type.. Let us know.. Boy do we always have suggestions.

I envy you, Marvelle, and we think we would like to live in Corrales rather than in the city itself. The area we are in now has a rural feel even though we are half an hour (with no traffic, like maybe 3 am) from San Francisco.

I think I have read all of the Mary Stewart books, Annafair, and loved them. Being horse oriented, my favorite was 'Airs Above Ground'. I loved the scene of the retired Lipizzaner out in his pasture and going through the old routines as he listened to the sound of the familiar music coming from the nearby show ring.

Do you like Ngaio Marsh? I remember reading all of her books during the same period I was reading Mary Stewart. I worked in a Catholic college library at the time, and one of the sister who taught in the college made sure that we had all of Marsh's book in the library, many of which she donated!

Stephanie is right. Just tell us your favorite type of mystery and I am sure the group will be able to inundate you with authors to keep you enthralled.

I agree with you, BaBi, about 'The Andromeda Strain'. It was an excellent story. Did you see the movie? When Kate Reid, playing the woman scientist, missed the red warning light on her experiment I got goose bumps! I can't remember if I read 'Jurassic Park' but I can practically play the movie through my head, especially the scene with the tyrannosaurus' head in the side view mirror above the message written on the glass about objects being closer than they seemed.

Gad, I've written a tome, but can't close until I mention my ninth Earlene Fowler. It is the name of a quilt pattern, as are all of hers, 'Steps to the Altar'. I like the books and the fact that they are placed in San Celine, really Santa Barbara, California, loosely disguised, but I am so tired of the turbulent love affair that Benni has with Gabe. It detracts from the story. I'm getting so I am sorrier than she is that her first husband died!

I think over the years I have covered them all...Years ago I belonged the Mystery Book Guild or whatever it was called. There was a wonderful charming mystery books with a cat in them ..but cant recall the names. Dick Francis was really good, Erle Stanley Gardener, there were several with women detectives but again the names elude me. Of course I am sure my interest started with Sherlock Holmes by Sir Authur Conan Doyle. I have to tell you mysteries were my dessert. They could just be enjoyed. I never had to remember them after I read them, no one gave me a test on them and when I was with other readers we spoke about "more important books". Most of my reading friends over the years looked on mysteries as rather "common" ...so I could indulge myself and read all I wanted. Most of the names listed have written mystery books I read and loved. Like the old radio show "I LOVE A MYSTERY" is me! My only problem with later authors they seemed to be TOO specific in describing the victims and how they met their demise. anna

You are taking me on a journey back in time...YEs I read Ngaio Marsh ...I wonder if I still have some of her books. I kept my books for years and re read a lot of them since each time it was like reading a new book. I would wonder how I could forget some of the points in the story and often did not remember the solution. Several years ago I donated a lot of them to the library for their annual sale. There was a time when I read very little, my family kept me busy and then I was the caregiver during my husbands final illness. It was only after he died I really started to read again. Not mysteries but some very pleasent stories by an English woman author. I couldnt sleep and I read her books. It was like listening to a wonderful story. Not that is was all "goody" but it was soothing.

When I discovered seniornet's books and literature it was like a blessing ...now I could read and discuss with others like me! So I am back to reading full speed and so glad for it.

anna

I just finished a very long book. It was Nelson DeMille's Up Country. I am a fan of DeMille's and I believe the Charm School was the first of his that I read. This is a tale of Vietnam. There is lots of description to get through but I now know much about what the country is actually like geograph wise. As usual he sucks you in and I couldn't wait for the end to see what happened.

"Up Country" was excellent. He has a real undrerstanding of the country and people, IMHO.

Oscar

annafair, I much enjoyed the 9 [or was it 10] Mary Stewart novels of suspense also. Never much cared for her series concerning Merlin and King Arthur. I kept wishing she'd spent the time writing some more mysteries!

Was your mystery with a cat in it by any chance part of The Cat Who... series by Lilian Jackson Braun? About the two Siamese cats named Koko and Yumyum who SEEM to help solve the mysteries??

Another exciting mystery author from the past that rarely disappointed me was John D. MacDonald. His Travis McGee series is best known but, really, only a small part of his total output. Many of his novels had no particular theme or characters-- each stood alone.

I just finished a remarkably forgettable little British mystery called Suddenly, At His Residence by Christianna Brand. Don't really recommend it unless you like rather silly British country home mysteries. At least it's short.

You have that right I too was disappointed in Mary Stewarts later books but loved her mysteries...and Koko and YumYum and it was Lillian Braun and Travis McGee....I loved John McDonalds books.For a long time mysteries were the only books I read. A good mystery is like a hot fudge sundae with lots of whipped cream and toasted pecans....How many times did I stay awake to read a good mystery? More times than I could remember...and when I was in my teens we had a lights out at 10PM but if a good moon was shining I would open the window and read a mystery by moonlight. If my mother would have caught me she would have nailed that window shut! LOL

Now I am going to have to intersperse my other reading and add some good mysteries...found my library card the other day and I think when I have some time ...I am going to see what they have! anna

I agree Oscar. For some reason it has really left me thinking about Vietnam, not so much about the war but about the people and the county as a whole.

Mystery writers that we like include M. C. Beaton (British; characters Agatha Raisin and Hamish MacBeth); J.A.Jance (two series); Nevada Barr (the Anna Pigeon series); Steve Martini; Tony Hillerman; and others that escape me at the moment, of course.

Maybe because of our four daughters, we tend toward mysteries with protagonists who are women in their 40s.

ANNAFAIR, with all the better books around, I really couldn't say "Prey" was something you have to read.

JERYN, I'm very grateful Mary Stewart did write the Merlin series. I loved them! I'm also a Ngaio Marsh fan. I read Erle S. Gardner when I was young, but they couldn't hold my interest now. I like mysteries with some depth, esp. if the writer can add wit or humor. ..Babi

Yesterday I read an old book by Carolyn Hart. It is called A Settling of Accounts and must be her first. It takes place about 20 years after the 2nd World War. The chief character is Kay Emory who was a spy in France and is now returning to London where she runs into the man who betrayed her, her lover and memebers of her family. It is very short (185 pages) and ends in tragedy. The other 2 books I have are the last ones of hers that are in our library. One is A Little Class of Murder which has Annie Laurence as its heroine. The other is Death In Lovers' Lane which has Henrie O as its Heroine.

I tend to like mystery writers that are woman. I also seem to like mysteries that are set in medieval times. I finished Day of Wrath by Iris Collier. Another book I read last week is Our Lady of Darkness by Peter Tremayne. It is about a nun who lives in 7th century Ireland. She is a judge who goes about solving mysteries. I hope when I go back to the library I can find some more in this series. It is fun to imagine what life must have been like way back then.

annafair, mysteries are very popular. I think you will find plenty at any well-stocked library. Keep in mind, many wonderful novels of suspense are NOT included in the mystery section at the library but shelved with regular novels of all types. I'm not sure why this is so... are there any librarians lurking nearby???

WELCOME MaryZ and thanks for sharing some favorites. I too, have greatly enjoyed some of those you mention... Nevada Barr, Steve Martini, and Tony Hillerman for sure. Have any of you all read the latest Hillerman? I'm still on the waiting list for it.

Sorry, BaBi! Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. I know Mary Stewart's later books have been popular, just not MY cuppa tea. Differing opinions make the world go 'round! <smile>

Thanks for the reviews, Louise. Carolyn Hart must be a particularly prolific writer! Some of hers sound appealing to me but I tried one [don't remember title, sorry] and wasn't impressed. I must try another one in one of those series...

I am now reading the latest Michael Connelly, Lost Light. Started out kind of "ho hum" but is getting better as it goes along. Not sure I buy into his sketch of the FBI but he does seem knowledgable... Has anyone else read this?

Jeryn: Where mysteries are shelved and what the spine label reads is a matter decided by the local library system. Some libraries, esp. public ones, may separate out those books which are sci fi, mystery, horror, western, while others will intershelve all fiction by authors. If a library has a mystery section, it's usually a local call whether a book is judged to be general fiction or is judged to be shelved and labeled as a "mystery." [That, of course, is the reason there's a computer catalog ....or card catalog in the old days which indicates the spine label/call number and hence it's shelving location since many books could be cataloged and/or shelved in several topic areas.]

Thanks for that explanation, Jane the Librarian! It has appeared to me wholly arbitrary and capricious as to whether Hillerman, say... [and many others] is shelved with Mysteries or with General Fiction. Sounds as if my impression is correct!

I find that sort of too bad, since we can't browse the Mystery section with any real expectation of finding ALL the available mystery books. Others may be neglected and languish in general fiction if you don't somehow find out about them elsewhere.

If I worked at a library, ALL novels of mystery, suspense, spies, horror, or dubious heritage would be on the mystery shelf! And if I ran the world... whoops! Wrong discussion!!

Mysterys are in General fiction in our library but each book has a symbol on the spine telling you the type of book for instance mysteries have a spyglass and a Holmes hat! Fantasy has a Seahorse. Human interest has three people man woman and child. Its easy to browse by just looking at the Spine. We use the Dewey System.

Carolyn

hahaha..Jeryn...but since it can get goofy...is Ludlum mystery or espionage...or adventure/international intrigue...etc... you get the idea. That's why many well catalogued books have 3 or as many as 10-12 subject headings...'cause they really overlap in subject content and so the vital need for the catalog and accurately catalogued books!

And, then there's the issue of how your library handles paperbacks! Are they intershelved with the hardbacks...or does your lib segregate them?

Carolyn, most public libraries in the US also use the Dewey system..often with some modifications...so Fiction may be labeled as Fic and author or some such variation...and others will put them in the 800+ numbers as "literature." For other places only certain lit will appear in the 800s, etc. So many issues, so many books, so much need for organization!! ;0)

End of Lib.Sci lecture 101. ;0)

Well, I find this fascinating and enjoy hearing about library classification straight from the horses' mouths, as it were. [no offense!] Our library has wee labels on the spines but they aren't any help except to the person who shelves books.

The mystery labels are all in the mystery section. The western labels are all in the western section. The sci-fi/fantasy labels are all in their own section. Browse through novels and you absolutely cannot tell the book by it's ~~cover~~ spine! Prior knowledge is necessary to root out the novels of suspense, intrigue, horror, and such.

Paperbacks are separate from hardbacks but with the same problem. There's also a group of PB mysteries displayed separately as well but including mostly cozies.

This horse (haha) was glad to try to sort out the various problems with trying to organize a collection so patrons can find what they seek. It's really not an easy task...and then you have the patron's who ask for the "red book on flowers"....ah....a whole 'nother situation...;0)

I'm sure things are different from the librarian's perspective, Jane! <smile> I'm just venting a bit.

A life-long user of our wonderful free public libraries, I should shut up and give them their due. Any, ANY, I mean this with all my heart, ANY library is thousands of times better than none at all.

JANE, I'm sure you will appreciate the party who comes into a nursing facility at about 4:45 and expects that you will copy all the relatives medical records immediately....all four volumes! UH-UH!

You know, we must all have some good stories about the things we ran into during our working lives. We should find a place to share them!

...BABI

Nicky my eldest daughter is studying for her Library and Research Diploma at the moment. She always wanted to be a librarian but her friends all laughed at her and teased her so she chose another career. Said to me the other day how stupid she was to mind the teasing. She is studying while she still has a preschooler and will go back to work in 3 yrs when Grace goes to school. Her ideal position would be in a school or tertiary institution library where she would have hours to suit the children. There is also the possibility of running her own research company at home. My niece Lisa has been a researcher from home for many years now - she lives in Sydney - she makes a very adequate living from it for her and her son. Nicky is already a wonderful person to talk to about finding things on the web as she knows exactly where to go and how to get into places I never knew existed.

Carolyn

oh, yeah, Babi!

I read a Carolyn Hart...Death on Demand series...Yankee Doodle Dead last night. Fun read and it moved quickly for me.

One of my favorite light mystery authors continues to be Joan Hess. I just wish she'd write faster!!

Carolyn...lots of people have such misconceptions about librarianship. Some think it's a wonderful job where you can "read all the time." DUH! I don't think so. Most libraries are so understaffed that the librarian and associates are run ragged trying to keep the flow of materials moving.

Jane, as a volunteer who spends a couple of hours on Friday mornings checking in cartloads of books, which are quickly grabbed and hurried off to be reshelved, I can testify to what you are saying! ...Babi

Our library shelves all fiction together. What a mess. No idea why of course. They also have a tendency to shelve books under the authors real name in some ( not all) cases. All in all a terrible job.. You hunt and hunt. It is a small branch of a county library and mostly they have very current stuff in fiction. No sense looking for the older book by an author. It is in the main library.. I go very seldom and I love libraries.. Just not this one. The chief librarian seems to have some sort of " I am the big Chief" thing and makes it quite hard to deal with.. Sorry to vent, but I get so annoyed at how the library is run.. Coming quite close to running for the Library board.

Stephanie...you need to get on that Library Board!!

I agree with Jane re the library board. You will remember what a great system we have here in Orange County. You should be able to get that in Volusia County.

Oscar

While I was out today I stopped at the new book counter at the local BX and the signs indicated the books covered all areas of interest and they had many new best sellers. (no out of date books here) I felt out of it..there was no writer I saw that I knew except Patterson and one other whose name eludes me. I had no idea which might be mysteries or fiction or non fiction...

My brother who lost his wife this year will be here Sunday and I will have to find some time after he arrives to visit the library ..they are better organized so I am sure I can find some. I prefer finding a new writer ...anna ( I think I need a good mystery to LOSE myself in )

I have reserved on line several of the books you have enjoyed here. I had never heard of these authors before. I am new to reading mysteries and got into them simply because I was fed up with much of the new general literature - too much sex and swearing just for the sake of it! Looking forward to getting the reserved books.

Carolyn

Just finished Nancy Atherton's "Aunt Dimity Takes a Holiday". A pleasant and well written cozy mystery. I've read several of the Aunt Dimity series and this is one of the best in my opinion. Margaret Maron has a new mystery coming out this month but it is not one of her usual series. Will be interesting to see if it is as good as her other series. I liked both of those, especially the Deborah Knott series.

I am reading my first Amanda Pepper mystery and finding it somewhat ho-hum. It is "How I Spent My Summer Vacation". Aside from firmly deciding that I don't want to visit Atlantic City, I can't say I'm getting much from it. ...Babi

annafair: I found myself getting lost in the story when I read the first of Jennifer Chiaverini's Elm Creek Quilts novel entitled the Quilter's Apprentice. I found it enjoyable and mesmerizing, in spite of having read some LJ and other reviews. When I saw that one of the book clubs had it featured I bought it so I could read it again and again, if I felt like it - or could use it for a gift when I thought of a friend who would like it. isak .

Anna Fair.. A very interesting author who does not write sequels, all her books are stand alone is Minette Walters.. Only if you like English writers, that is. She is not cozy... But the writing is outstanding. The plots are quite intricate and in at least one case "The Sculptress", you are going to be left puzzled to put it mildly.. You might like to give her a shot. Just remember, she is not a cozy. No recipes for this lady.

Stephanie - thanks for the tip about Minette Walters. I love English literature being a NZer and love English mysteries. This is another author I have not heard of before. I just went on line and reserved two of hers in audio form. They are borrowed but I will get them in time.

Carolyn

Minette Walters is a good writer but too depressing for me. Her characters are always drawn from the same seemingly hopeless class of characters. I think her earliest books were the best. Her latest (can't remember the name) I didn't finish.

Hey, Mystery Fans, did you know that tonight for the first time in three years (according to the local paper) Hetty Wainthorpp returns on PBS with new episodes? If you like Patricia Routledge (Keeping Up Appearances) you might want to tune in,

I am.

I got a whole pile of new mysteries in England, but am out of time now to talk on same and need to be sure you all have not already exhausted those particular ones, but they all look super,

ginny

I haven't checked in with you guys for a very long time. I have stopped in and read a few pages of postings now and again.

You won't believe I just read postings backwords from 566 to 368 I got the urge to ask why none of you mentioned the TV show "Monk" that is on the USA channel every Friday night. I would have to discribe it as a police proceedural that is funny. It is really great. The star of the show won an Emmy last year.

I will surely be watching Heddy Winthrup tonight.

And thanks so much for all the new book ideas I picked up from your postings.

Have made a list of suggestions and will drop by the local library to see what they have. My brother arrived from Kansas City MO and I find out he loves SCI-Fi books..He rattled on a whole list of authors , none I have heard of ...tells me he goes to the used book stores and picks up his books. He says if he like an author he makes a note of the name and tries to buy other books by the same author. Makes sense but I am not sure we are related..I HAVE NEVER BEEN THAT ORGANIZED!

Will report later on my efforts...anna

I love MONK. I think the lady who plays his assistant is his real-life wife, but I'm not sure. I watch the show every week on the USA channel.

Howzat

Our local PBS is beginning the new mystery series tonight, too. It's a 10:30 here, so I'll have to wait to see how sleepy I am before I decide whether to watch or tape.

AJL, I also thought Monk was great, tho' I think he would drive me nuts if I were his assistant. I do hope he will be back next season. ..Babi

I like Monk, but have to admit he would be dead if I married him.. Just could not deal with the pickiness. Ginny.. WELCOME HOME.. How was Oxford.. Tell all.. I am so envious of your trip. And lots of English mysteries to boot.. I love the London bookstores. My husband has to keep warning me about suitcase room..

Thank you, Stephanie, it's great to be home and I love Monk, too (in fact, unfortunately I'm a lot like Monk hahahaah). I know people who were put off by air travel by his show on the airplane which I personally thought was the funniest thing I ever saw: he's a unique detective, surely.

I got a super copy of Hetty but unfortunately got stunned by the new Restaurant series about Rocco's in NYC? LOVE that thing and could not tear self away from the tube, have you all seen it (should not ask that here).

And neither is this (yes loads of new mystery writers I never heard of) but just to answer you briefly: taking a course at Oxford University is exactly as fantastic as you would think: only more so, I have nothing but the most exhuberant praise for their program: it was just super. I first saw an article on it here in our own Community Center in the Books, the Washington Post writer last year took one of the courses in the "Oxford Experience" and loved it. That makes two of us (or rather hundreds of us from all over the world, a delegation from Japan, a Theology Conference from all over the world, a delegation from Baylor University and some of the most interesting people you'll ever meet): I recommend it, totally.

ginny

He made me too nervous watching him. It got so I would watch for his "sympoms" rather than the show. I tuned in for two shows and couldn't do anymore!........Jay

One of the hot new mysteries in London is Simon Brett's (one of my favorite authors) newest: Murder in the Museum, it's getting rave reviews. It's fourth or maybe more in the "Feathering" series, so I bought the others, the first one, The Body on the Beach, you have to read about 25 pages to get INTO but from then on it's good: it's two retired ladies living next door to each other and how it feels to be 53 and marginalized because Carole finds a body while walking her dog on the beach but it disappears before the police can get there and they, of course, don't believe her and the whole thing, the being 53 and retired and just another pensioner who is ignored at best, infuriates her. I like it very much but you really do have to get thru the first 25 pages or so, or so I did and am now enjoying it. Or should I have read the last one first, I wonder? Rave reviews.

hahaha Jay, I get worse the more I watch the show, maybe the symptoms are catching: is it somehow implied or understood by everybody that he's Obsessive Compulsive because of the death of his wife?

ginny

I really didn't want to be the only fish swimming upstream when it came to "Monk". The show drives me crazy and I become so distracted by all his "shtick" that I lose track of the story line. Besides, I know someone who suffers from Obsessive/Compulsive Syndrome and believe me, they don't find it funny! I watched it once and then part of a second time just to give it a chance and then gave up.

Are there any refugees from the Virginia group hanging out here? If so, please post in Virginia because we want to set up another luncheon in Sept.

Thanks.

I finished the latest Michael Connelly, Lost Light, and commend it to all his fans. Harry Bosch is back, and he's a private eye now!

Happy day... The Sinister Pig awaited me at the library!

According to our PBS station last night, there have been two more Tony Hillerman stories filmed for Mystery. Wes Studi played The Legendary Lieutenant in the first one filmed, and it was very good. Watch for these in the upcoming season.

Stephanie, maybe marriage would solve Monk's problems. Am I correct in thinking that this compulsive behavior started after the death of his wife?

Glad to hear there are more Hillerman movies coming, MaryZ. I always enjoy them. ...Babi

I gather that the series premise is that he became o-c after her death.. I suspect this is not the way that sort of thing happens, but can understand they need a hook. Some of the quirks drive me nuts, but the shows themselves are fun. I would think that actually being a o-c would not howver be any fun at all.. Most likely a terrible way to attempt to survive.

From what I have read of people afflicted with 0-C disorders, it must be a torment to live with. I wonder if the series has not done a disservice to such people in making Monk's affliction a souce of humor. Those of us who aren't laughing are irritated. Neither response is very helpful, now that I think about it. ..Babi

I was glad to see all the response about the "Monk" series.

It is some what like the earlier reaction to Archie on the "All In The Family" show. They didn't like such a bigot. (Did I spell that right?)

It's not Monks obsession that is funny. It's his take on things, his innocense and his total self involvement that gets funny.

His sickness started because he couldn't solve the violent murder of his wife. He thinks the car bombing was for him. It caused a nervious breakdown.

I think his assistance, Sharona, is fabulous!

About Minette Walters, I just finished her book "Fox Evil" and must say I had a hard time following the plot. I had to read the last chapter about three times to understand 'who done it'. Very convoluted. I guess I am just having trouble even believing it.

I am now reading "Firewall" by Henning Mankell. A Kurt Wallander Mystery. I've just started. Any thoughts about him as a writer?

Its ok laughing at OCD I suffer from GAD and OCD is part of it. I can laugh at myself but there are some things which are difficult like checking the house 15 times before you can leave! It gets so annoying! There are funny sides to it too and I and a fellow sufferer have laughed until we cried over some issues. If you did not laugh sometimes it would be unbearable.

Carolyn

I am finishing up "Courting Trouble" by Lisa Scottoline. I really enjoyed it. Lisa Scottoline is a former trial lawyer.

KIWI LADY, I like your attitude and approach to life, irritants and all. And I appreciate AJLs observation, that it's Monk's total self-involvement that makes us laugh. One of the things I like best about SN is finding new ways to look at things. ..Babi

I generaly do not like law type mysteries, but make an exception for Lisa Scottoline.. I find them fun.. All the women are so quirky. Minette Walters does zig and zag on the plots. She is not terribly interested in "Who did it", more the why's..

I'm listening to another Ann Perry mystery. Guess you could call her books historical mysteries. Set in Victorian times in London the main characters are Inspector Pitt, his wife who married beneath her and her aristocratic sister Lady Emily. This one is called Silence in Hanover Close. I am of English descent and NZ is very English so I really like them. There is an Inspector Pitt series.

Carolyn

CAROLYN......I like Ann Perry....and her Inspector Pitt series.

Bobbie

I too like Anne Perry. And she has another series, too. Can't remember the name of the character. William Monk?

The second series is the Monk one. I have read probably 2/3 of the first series. I like her, but she is really upping the social status of the couple in each book.. Still they are neat and present a good picture of society in England in the period.

Stephanie--

"upping the social status of each couple in each book"

Well, life does go on, and people do progress.

I agree Stephanie - My grandkids will be considerably wealthier than Rod and I were! However we originally came from the gentry and money was lost in huge amounts in the great depression so back to square one. I guess there were many reversals in fortunes in that time. I have our family tree back to 1647 and it was very interesting to see the wills etc of our ancestors. My cousin went to look at the one of the family farms in England some years ago. The present owners let her look through it. I think the buildings dated back to the fifteenth century. I must look in the catalogue for some Monk books!I have finished the Inspector Pitt book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Its great to get ideas from others and I have reserved quite a few new authors through this discussion.

Carolyn

Thankyou for the comments on Anne Perry. I went to my library this morning. One of the first things I do is to look among the new mysteries to see if some of the authors I already like have a new book out. I didn't seen any, but I did select one by Anne Perry that looks promising. I also selected one by Dorothy Cannell and one by Gillian Roberts. They all have other books in the library so if I like the books I have I can go back and read the others.

I came here to tell about a mystery I just finished reading and saw the Monk discussions.I usually sing the praises of monk on the TV discussions but I am willing to praise the show here or anywhere. Monk is a delightful break from the overdone summer reality shows. He and his assistant are so well matched.Although she deserves a medal for her unflappable patience and loyalty(lol) The book I just finished was Michael Connelly's latest Harry Bosch mystery Lost Light. Harry Bosch has retired but an unsolved murder of a young girl four years ago has him working on his own to the chargrin of the police and FBI It was a page turner.

Has anyone here seen that movie? It stars Bill Murray and Richard Dreyfuss - very funny. Bob has o/c illness. I just took it out at the local library, it's an older movie. anyway, back to books. I am reading Robert Crais at the moment, but just finished an excellent book by Lee Child. These are two authors whose names were on my "to be read" list. I also read "The Lovely Bones" by Alice Sebold. That story brought me to tears a few times, I don't like that much emotion when I read - blood and guts don't bother me at all ..............Jay

Two different Monks.. The Monk of Anne Perry has no memory originally. He is a blank and slowly learns more and more solving crimes all along.

I have always been intrigued by the character of Anne Perry's William Monk. He was apparently an unpleasant, and unpopular, man before his accident. It's as though his loss of memory gave him freedom to be a very different person, one who finds he dislikes the person he once was. Interesting psychological twist. ..Babi

Read a good book The Surgeon by Tess Gerritsen.

It had some pretty brutal parts but a very readable story

I didn't see your post and I had posted about Lost Light I agree a great read.I was sp surprised at the ending. Do you think there will be anymore any more of Harry Bosh

Just finished "Slow Dollar" by Margaret Maron.. So. the Judge is going to tie the knot.. Whew.. Hard to believe. Still I enjoyed the book and the extension to her family. This is a wonderful series, that needs to be read from first to last book since she carries several subplots at a time.

Will we see any more of Harry Bosch? I sure hope so, Mrs B! Sounds as if his life will be a lit-tle bit different from here on, doesn't it! One gets so attached to these series characters... when they marry or have some other tumultuous change in their lives, it's like a family event!

Speaking of which, will we ever see Sergeant Jim Chee again? Not in his trailer, I bet! <LOL> I make this remark apropos of having just read Tony Hillerman's latest, The Sinister Pig. Anyone else here read it? Comments??

Went to the library to find a mystery or two.. as I have said Mysteries to me are like dessert...you just enjoy them. I was looking up another book which needed some help from the librarian ( the new computer system confused me) when I asked where the mysteries were located she said right here and pointed to an area where we were standing...NONE of the names sounded the least bit familiar but one of the titles caught my eye "Goodbye without leaving" the book is downstairs so it may be just the reverse. In any case it was NOT a mystery although a good book. Trying to be organized I made a list of books you have read and enjoyed ...I left them at home!It is obvious everyone here ENJOYS mysteries so next week I shall return the book and this time will take a list of authors you have enjoyed. I need that hot fudge sundae with whipped cream!!!! anna

The Sinister Pig.. No I have read the previous one.. But it sounds like Jim and Bernie are getting up close and personal. About time, he found a worthwhile soul mate. He has picked up some real horror stories over the years. Looking forward to The Sinister Pig

A new general discussion named "Classical Mysteries" is now open for your posts. This discussion will only be about old time detective stories and there authors and will not replace the Mystery Corner discussion. This was a Curious Minds topic several months back and was met with great enthusiasm from the participants in that discussion.

I do hope you join in. If you are interested, here is a link

Classical Mysteries

I hope to see all of you there. I belive it could be al lot of fun.

Bill H

Mary Stewart's Merlin series were favorites of a couple of friends and myself, and we read them and loved them and compared notes. I looked her up on our library online catalog and went down memory lane just reading through her titles. So many good ones!

There are several writers I like who have settings in medieval England, including Edward Marston's Domesday Books series (1000's), my most beloved the Ellis Peter's Brother Cadfael series (1100's), Ian Morson's William Falconer series (1200's), Candace Robb's Owen Archer series (1300's), Kate Sedley's Roger the Chapman series (1400's), Margaret Frazer's Sister Frevisse series (1400's).

And in the Elizabethan period, Karen Harper's Elizabeth I series, Fiona Buckley's Ursula Blanchard series, and Edward Marston's Nicholas Bracewell series

For cat stories, I like Braun but also like Carole Nelson Douglas' Midnight Louie series, Rita Mae Brown's Mrs. Murphy series (doesn't hurt that they also have a Corgi!), and Shirley Rousseau Murphy's Joe Grey series.

Bookmark stories would fill a volume, BaBi. My favorites are the piece of uncooked bacon and the fried egg! Libraries can't satisfy all patrons because each one has different needs and interests. We try to cover as many bases as possible, but things do fall through the cracks. And, of course, there are the authors who write fiction and mysteries and must be shelved separately if there is a mystery section as is the case in many small public libraries. By the way, they paperbacks on carousels usually are donations and not cataloged, just stamped with the ownership stamp and a place to stamp the date due.

Perkie, I've read some of all the medieval authors you listed. Sister Frevisse and Cadfael I always read when I find them.

There was a made-for-TV movie of one of Rita Brown's Mrs. Murphy and the Corgi stories. It was fun; I wouldn't mind seeing some more. Makes a nice change from the meatier stuff, not to mention the ones I wish weren't even up for public consumption!

More differences. In our library the carousels up front carry new books in specific categories, like romance, mystery, or sci-fi, while the main group of carousels handle paperbacks of all sorts, identified by signs at the top.

...Babi

Our library went to putting all adult and young adult fiction together, rather than having the mysteries, westerns and science fiction grouped apart. Space issues, partly, but also to get people to browse other areas, I suspect. In a way, as was mentioned, some authors write in more than one genre.

We also have a good number of Internet computers, especially for a small library. Now I'm thinking I should suggest these discussions for people to our library director - I see many older adults using the computers. One way of linking reading and libraries and computers.

Right now I am reading a Simon Brett mystery, The Body on the Beach, which I think someone in this discussion mentioned. Nice read for a hot summer day.

Nilhome, welcome! How far into Body on the Beach are you? I bought all of the ones in the series but now that I know Jude and Carole I think I'll skip the sequels to get to his newest in the series, that they were raving over in London something about Murder in the Museum? It looks super.

Have you read his Mrs. Pargeters or, even better, for Christmas, Christmas Crimes at Puzzel (spelled correctly) Manor? I think that's the best book he ever wrote, how are you enjoying Body?

Does Jude annoy you or do you find her charming?

Those of you watching the new Hetty Wainthropp, were you surprised to see her singing last night? After the show Diana Rigg came on and said viewers of Keeping Up Appearances especially will be surprised to learn Patricia Routledge can really sing (and boy can she, I thought it was dubbed, amazing). She has starred in many Musicals and even got a Tony for one, who knew? I certainly did not, she's a contralto, very unlike her voice on Appearances (sort of like Jim Neighbors used to talk and then sing, amazing).

Have started The Necropolis Railway by Andrew Martin and am not very far along in it, is anybody else reading it? It's in paperback and is on billboards all over London and in the papers, I like train travel and I like England and so far that's what it's about, but supposedly it's "a wonderfully atmospheric thriller." and "A murderous conspiracy of a plot, graced with style, wit and the sharp, true taste of a time gone by. So beautifully nuanced and so effortlessly pleasurable to read that you almost want to keep it a personal secret." (those are some of the reviews, anybody but me taking the trip?) Will let you know how it comes out,

ginny

Ginny, I am only about a third of the way into the book, which I am enjoying. I had just finished one by Kathy Reichs, which was a little graphic, and needed something different. So far I like Jude more than Carole.

I have read the Charles Paris books by Brett, but I don't know much about Mrs. Pargeter. I suppose I'll head to the library to refresh my memory on that series.

That's the trouble with these discussions - I get too many ideas for reading but don't have the time.

I just finished reading a book that I couldn't put down until I did finish it. I would call it a fairy tale. It has a castle in it, a fat girl who became thin, a handsome thin prince, a rich uncle who owned the castle, and, of course, a mystery that must be solved to satisfy the conditions of the will. It did end "happily ever after." The title of the book is THE THIN WOMAN written by Dorothy Cannell. The heroine is Ellie Simmons and she lives in England. Oh there is also a cat named Tobias. He doesn't help solve the mystery - He's just a pet.

GINNY, I watched that "Mystery" also, and with equal surprise and delight at Patricia Rutledge singing. I do hope the writers will have her sing again.

I raised my eyebrows over the review of "The Necropolis Railway". Why would anyone want to keep a good book a "personal secret"?!!

Louise, you might also call the book a 'fairy tale' because of the fat girl becoming thin! (*~*) ..Babi

Louise, there are several books by Cannell about the same woman.. You might like to look them up. I started a Barbara Parker, but soon put it down. I live in Florida and like most Miami mysteries, but for some reason, simply do not like the couple in this one.. Silly, but time is short to read stuff I dont care for.

This is fun, Nlhome and I reading the same book, I'm bogging down so want to hear all, Jude is so much like I would like to be but I'm more shy like Carole, I hope Carole (or is she shy?) gets some freedom by the end, thought the Fethtering Nod was ridiculous ahahahahah.

Babi, wasn't she faboulous? She's only made three new episodes, they say, she gets better and better the older she gets, I thought it was really good. And you're right, that review of The Necropolis Railway WAS strange, wasn't that about the secret but it's very very good, you're immediately plunged into Edwardian England, of 1903, I can't believe how atmospheric it is and how real, the character is very endearing, I think it's going to be a winner, it's a different world, very good if you like London and trains and mystery.

I love Dorothy Cannell, just love her, that one sounds fabulous, Louise! I always get her confused with Dorothy Gilman for some reason who wrote A Nun in the Closet, an early favorite of mine, too. Did you all see that Patricia Cornwell has a new stunner out about, of all things, the publishing industry? And it's an expose? Oh boy, tried to get it today at B&N and they don't have it, seems it rips off the veil of the publishing industry, she must have had an awful time with her Ripper book!

My husband is an avid book reader and has been for many years. Mostly he enjoys mystery, sabotage, political intrique. I have kept track of all the books he has read in Microsoft Word using table format. The problem is that we have sheets and sheets of 8&1/2 X 14 paper in which I have alphabatized authors, the names of the books, and what grade (rating) he gave each one insofar as enjoyment. When we go to a book store be it used or new or whatever, we have to carry this stapled packet along to ensure that he does not pick up the same book to read again. It's really a pain to do it this way. Has anyone a better system? I was hoping for somekind of hand held computer that you could input the info and take it along when you purchase a book. I was thinking it would be nice to just type in the last name of the author and up would come the titles that you have previously entered as books you have already read. This is my very first message to this board and I am not sure I will know enough to get back to read any responses but hope so. Perhap if you have a suggestion you could e-mail me at renmarie@hotmail.com. Please put in the subject: Book Information Format - otherwise, I may delete - there's so much nonsense on hotmail!! Thank you very much

Renmarie: I'd think you could use a Palm Pilot...or Visor by Handspring and use the address portion, maybe for your author, title, etc. That's what I'd try. The palm pilot fits nicely into a purse, dayplanner, briefcase, pocket, etc.

I am moving slowly as well,Ginny, but work and family and the garden interfere. I think I am too much like Carole, and she irritates me because of that. I would like to be more like Jude. I will settle down this evening and read a lot, because I also have Henning Mankell's Firewall. Both are interlibrary loan, so I have limited time to read. It's too hot here to do much outside, so it's reading time. I hope.

I also have waiting The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency by Alexander McCall Smith. Who has read that series, and do you recommend the books? I own the book, so it is on the back burner.

Barbara Havers team, did you know that they will be on PBS Mystery Theater? Starting dates are:

The Inspector Lynley Mysteries, Series 2 
Premieres August 31-September 21, 2003, 9:00 pm ET

I am reading my first Minette Walters, since someone here recommended her. I'm reading "The Scolds Bridle", and finding it most intriguing. The characters are interesting, tho' she does devote more time to the nastier ones. But then, I suppose the nastier ones are more fascinating psychologically. ...Babi

nlhome--

When I first moved down here, I was horrified to discover that the library didn't separate out the mysteries. I guess I must not have been the only one because they have since seen the error of their ways.

They don't seperate them out here either but you can get a catalogue on the web by searching Mysteries. I actually have no trouble finding any as the spines are marked with symbols and they stand out well. Do you know I had never liked mysteries until about four years ago.

Carolyn

Jeanlock, ours have color-coded stickers on the spines, so mysteries stand out. I like the fiction all together, because some books that, at least to me, fall into the mystery classification, were considered general fiction. I had to look both places anyway.

Actually, considering the way city budgets are these days, my real concern with libraries is if they will continue to be able to buy new books or stay open reasonable hours. Our family relies on our library. And considering the size, our library keeps well stocked with new mysteries.

nlhome: That the biggest challenge facing our public libraries here too...adequate funding. Our budget for our public library this year is less than last year, but salaries, cost of periodicals, databases, cataloging and website catalog software, computers and internet connections, and books, videos, DVDs, etc. just continue to increase, so fewer and fewer items can be added.

There is also the "problem" of convincing city councils and administrations that libraries are as important as aquaparks and other city depts. Since, unfortunately, we seem to get council people who aren't library users...and we've even wondered at times if the County Supervisors can even read...when one said, at an open house for the new library addition some 10 years that that was the first time he'd been in the place...it's a constant budget struggle. They (council and supervisors) all seem much better at buying road graders, trucks and all those kinds of things. Sad.

Yes, Ellie becahe thin in the THIN WOMAN. The Ugly Duckling became a swan. I have also finished MUM'S THE WORD. Now I have to go back to the library and see if I can find some more. It was fun to read how close to Boston they thought there destination was going to be when they visited the colonies. The last book that I have by Dorothy Cannell is GOD SAVE THE QUEEN! This was the one that was among the new mysteries. I haven't begun to read it yet, but it doesn't seem to have Ellie Haskell as it's heroine.

The Orange County Public Library, an extremely well-run operation, has started a policy of leasing new books instead of purchasing them. They apparently conducted a study and determined that after an initial rush, many books were sitting idle. You may wish to propose a similar approach to your own libraries, but they should be aware of the process. Library charges are a separate item included in our county taxes.

Oscar

Yes, Oscar, leasing is a popular option for best sellers in larger libraries. It isn't very cost-effective for those of us in smaller county facilities, but then we don't buy 100-200 copies of a title at a time as some of the large library systems may do. And, yes, a lot of those books go unread after the initial "flurry" of excitement.

It certainly does meet a need for some libraries.

Our libraries are required by law to be free. So we need at least one free copy of each book, then could consider rental of additional copies. But the paperwork would mean more staff time, something we are even shorter in than money for books. Luckily we get many donations, books and money. But it's a small library, and mostly only one copy of each book is purchased. We did try rental, and the quality of the books was not good, nor did it prove cost effective.

When budget cuts are made, the quality of life cuts seems to come first.

Oops, storming. I may have more later.

I may have been unclear. The leased copies of best sellers are free loans to the patrons; the library pays the lease costs which are lower than outright purchase. It's sort of like lease vs. buy an auto.

Oscar

Jane, would I be correct in assuming the aquapark is a money maker? Bottom line for most city councils. The reason libraries count not only the books checked out, but also those used in the library, is to be able to demonstrate how popular the library is and how much in demand by the citizenry. ..Babi

Babi: I don't know if the new swimming pool...aquapark as they call it...makes any money. It's been a construction nightmare...leaking thousands of gallons of water...had to have the floor taken out to get to a leak...and now in a court battle with architect, I guess, and saying getting everything fixed will be near a million dollars, etc. I think the park is great and the kids here need this in the summertime, so I don't want to be in competition, but I want the Library to also be considered a valuable community resource.

I'm finishing up a Margaret Maron Deborah Knott mystery...Killer Market and it's growing on me. I need to go get some more to have with me 'cause with this heat and high pollen counts, it's indoors time here.

I know books are expensive and go unread for long periods of time. While I was working I didn't do much recreational reading. Now that I am retired I am enjoying reading some of the older books I find in my library (even though sometimes they are falling apart) and am disappointed when I can't find one I would like to read. So I am glad they keep the older books - I suppose if they were leased, they would become unavailable as soon as they became unpopular Just like the best TV shows.

I saw "Murder She Purred" when it came on TV and, of course, loved the Corgi, especially bounding across the countryside.

I can't wait to get 'The Thin Woman', Louise. I love fairy tales almost as much as mysteries! I had a child's book of Greek and Roman legends that I almost wore out! Now I can't remember the author or title. Sigh.

I just finished 'The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency' by Alexander McCall Smith, Nlhome. I absolutely loved it. It is set in Botswana, on the edge of the Kalahari and is slow paced with several problems for Mma Ramotswe to solve, but the descriptions of the country and the people is wonderful. I can't wait to read the next one, 'Tears of the Giraffe'.

The next Lynly-Havers Mystery! program is on my schedule. Thanks, Phyll.

On the library's mystery carousel, I stumbled upon 'A Genteel Little Murder' by Philip Daniels and was quite intriqued by it. It is definitely a cozy with a bit of an O'Henry twist at the end. Has anyone else heard of Daniels?

I was delighted to hear that someone read the Number 1 Detective thing. It sounds great and I have put it on my try it list. I am trying to decide how I feel about the Elizabeth George novels on PBS.. Mostly I dont like my mysteries to acquire real faces to go with my imaginary ones..

Stephanie, I have read The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency. It's a fast read. The main character's name is Precious. I think there are two more by this author. One is called Tears of a Giraffe. I don't know the name of the other one.

This is my first time here. Has anyone read any of J.A. Jance's books. She has written two series - J.P Beaumont (about a Seattle homicide detective) and Joanna Brady (an Arizona sheriff).

I have read most of the J.A. Jance books and liked all of them. I tried a new author this week, Linda Howard, who wrote "Dying to Please"......Finished the book, but it was such a simple story, simply written, that it almost felt like I was reading a kid's book. Knew I wasn't when I got to the sex part though. Question: Why do we need "sex parts" in a mystery? Answer: sex sells books. Sigh..........................Jay

Bogtrotter, the answer is we don't. We hardly need the sex parts in literature in general. The allusion to sex is quite sufficient for most to imagine waaaay more than the author probably intended. (^.^)

Howzat

We are so lucky here that we have good libraries. There is good book purchasing power. However sometimes I find it hard to get books which are newly published. Guess its because the library waits til its able to get a good price for bulk. Apparently we have a huge reading population in NZ much bigger percentage than many other countries. I think our city is doing a very good job with the funds available. Even though we have multiple copies of best sellers in our branches the waiting lists can be very long! For instance I am only getting Bryce Courtenay's 'Matthew Flinders Cat' after being on the list for over a year. I have to go to the library today as there is a big pile of books waiting for me!

Carolyn

WELCOME to Mystery Corner, redbud! J.A.Jance's books seem very popular and have been discussed here occasionally. Which of her series do you prefer? Hoping you will return and tell us more!

I'm not sure all you red-blooded mystery lovers will consider THIS a mystery but it certainly did read like one! I just finished Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Whew... 870 pages just flew by. What a ride! I highly recommend it, especially if you've read and enjoyed one or more of the earlier four books in the series.

I believe Iceland holds the blue ribbon for having the largest population of readers reading the most books per year. Their library system buys books from all over the world, so Icelanders are also extremely well informed. In Iceland, hardly a citizen can be found that is not an avid, prolific reader.

Howzat

Thanks for the welcome Jeryn. I don't really have a favorite Jance series. I was born and raised in Seattle so I recognize the locale in her Beaumont series. I also lived in Southern Arizona and am familiar with the locale of the Brady series.

I also just finished reading Tony Hillerman's latest book "The Sinister Pig". He is also a favorite author of mine.

HOWZAT, I never thought about it before you brought it up, but with the long, cold dark winters of the extreme North, what else could people do but read? (Well, there are other things they could do of course...but, other than that.) ...Babi

a new one out? hurray. I like Janz but only knew about the brady series. alll sorts of info here.

We have a heavy rainfall here in NZ so I guess on those weeks of endless rain we read!

On the topic of picking up information from mystery books--

I'm reading "Murder at Montecello" by Jane Langton, and came across this while sitting in my doctor's office yesterday, "Dr. Spark was an eminent urologist, a specialist in diseases of the intestinal tract."

We both got a good laugh out of that. I've recently had occasion to see that specialist, and it wasn't a urologist!

Am going to see if I can find a web site for Langton and e-mail her.

However, on other matters the book is most interesting with its emphasis on the Lewis and Clark expedition via excerpts from Capt. Lewis' diary, and notes about what Jefferson (who had the idea for the trek) was doing on the same dates. And set in the top room (the Dome Room) of Monticello. When I finish the book, I think I'll take a drive down to Charlottesville and revisit Monticello. We went there in about 1968 and of all the public buildings I've toured in my day, that remains the most interesting to me.

Have not read Langton for years, but have a passion for Monticello and Jefferson, so will look for it.

Ah jeanlock, on the topic of picking up something from books, I was SOOO wrong on the new book/ slash/ skewering of the publishing industry: I bought it yesterday it's Foul Matter by Martha Grimes, and "foul matter" apparently is how they refer to manuscripts of unpublished books? I'm just getting into it but it's fascinating and the reviews say that Knopf refused one of her Richard Jury books 10 years ago, and she's waited this long to get her revenge: apparently many of the characters are recognizable in the world of publishing!

She's 72, did you all know that? And she lives in DC and Santa Fe, I thought she was British: shows you what you can learn, I hope to get much knowledge about the REAL world of publishing: and it's a mystery, to boot: fiction with a vengeance, love it.

Nlhome, almost thru Body (it gets better at the end) and The Necropolis Railroad which is very good and so atmospheric I keep having to wipe off soot from the bed covers. hahahaha

I really like the search feature on this site. I used to record the number of my last entry and then page back until I found it and read forward from there. Now I search my moniker, click on the top entry for my moniker and voila! It is great.

This is off the subject of mystery, but does anyone on this list use or have a friend who uses a TTY? My roommate's mother, Emma, is getting deaf and we purchased a later generation called a VCO or Voice Carry Over. Working through a relay operator, Emma can talk and the operator types the other end of the conversation to Emma's VCO and she can read the answer on a screen. I am learning to use it and then I will need to train Emma. Any helpful hints would be appreciated.

I understand how you feel about not wanting an actor's face interfere with the one in your mind. I felt the same way about Derek Jacobi as Cadfael and now he is firmly imprinted on my brain! Not that it is all bad, I like Jacobi, just different. In the E. George PBS programs, I like the appearance of Havers even though she doesn't match her description in the books and I find that she is not replacing my own image, she is just an actor.

Two other titles in Alexander McCall Smith's #1 Detective Agency series are 'Morality for beautiful girls' (2001) and 'Kalahari Typing School for men' (2002). I am waiting to get my hands on 'Tears of the giraffe' as soon as I bring my library pile down to a manageable number.

I am an ardent fan of J.A. Jance's Joanna Brady series, Redbud, and I recommend you start in the beginning because the characters grow and change and their story continues from book to book. I am not as enamored of the J.P. Beaumont. His story does grow from book to book but to such a less degree that I think they could probably be read in any order.

In defense of libraries, Kiwi Lady, the publishers hold back on delivery of new books, especially ones they feel will be high volume sellers, until the bookstores have a chance to sell as many copies as they can to readers who can't wait for the library copies to arrive and go through the cataloging process. I have heard public librarians grumble about that very thing.

It is not surprising that Icelanders are avid readers, Howzat, considering their isolation and climate! Just my opinion, of course. I have never been there.

I just finished the second Philip Daniel's mystery, "The Hunting of Mr. Gloves, and enjoyed it just as much as 'The Genteel little murder', which I mentioned earlier. He has such a different approach to the mystery genre that I find him refreshing as well as a good, low-key read.

Ginny, I did finish the book, and it was ok. I had figured out part of the ending before it was revealed in the book, although not the identity of the body. There seemed to be a number of clues. I think I'd like to read another in the series to see if I really like the characters. They are not found in my library, so I'll have to use interlibrary loan. In the meantime I am starting Firewall by Henning Mankell and the No. Ladies Detective Agency. I think I'd like to find the Grimes book as well, bust someone has to clean around here....

Ginny–

Martha Grimes used to teach at what was then the Rockville Community College. I always did know she was not British, and used to watch in her books for references that---- I felt betrayed her American background. And I used to find quite a few.

Perkie–

I can pretty much deal with a human actor portraying a fictional one, but what has, from the beginning ticked me off about Walt Disney is that with his cartoonish protrayal of beloved fairy tale characters, he has taken the joy of imagining those characters completely away from children. Using one’s imagination is an important part of childhood, and I fear children don’t have so many opportunities any more. It’s all on TV.

Kiwi–

That’s not the way libraries here are run. It’s in the library almost before I know (via the Book Section of the paper) that it’s out. I have never tried to reserve a recent book that wasn’t available.

Some years ago my daughter and I met Martha Grimes at a book signing at her brother's who lived a few blocks from us when we lived in Maryland. I enjoy her Richard Jury series but never cared for her other novels but this latest book does sound interesting.

I dont know.. The old old pictures of Winnie the Pooh resemble what Disney has done, as far Alice ( no , they made her pretty and the original illustrations by Tenniel?? were not). However my favorite detectives.. I do so hate to see them messed up. I did not like the Rita Mae Brown film version of the cats and Harry at all. Liked Miss Marple ( but she was not the huge person in the books that Margaret Rutherford was), Like Helen Mirrin very much, but I came to the books after the tv show.

Totally agree about Miss Marple, Stephanie. Surely there must be a qualified actress who is a small, dainty lady. I think we should start a petition to have one of the British studios start all over again with the Jane Marple series, featuring a proper Miss Marple! ...Babi

Miss Marple was perfect for the part; also David Suchet, and the man who played Nero Wolfe. John Thaw for Morse, And the actors in Dalziel and Pascoe.

But that Cinderella didn't look a bit like mine. Nor Sleeping Beauty. And, as adults, we can still have our own first impressions when we see a literal portrayal and keep both in perspective. But if you never actually 'read' Cinderella, etc., you're stuck with Disney. I like it better when they create characters I have no previous vision of, like Shrek. I could watch that and Babe any number of times.Especially Shrek. Think that one of the best of that genre. Because it ends not with his becoming a handsome prince, but with the girl becoming a female Shrek. That really touched me.

Yes, some British studio DID Miss Marple a few years ago... the actress was Jean ---- [help me here, someone]... she was petite and perfect for the part in every way, I thought. Much better than Rutherford had been. It would be super if they'd rerun them all.

I also liked Suchet as Poirot and the recent Nero Wolfe series very much but John Thaw leaves me cold. Sorry, jeanlock!

Do you mean Joan Hickson?

Here's an interesting site on Miss Marple:

Miss Marple

Oscar

Yessssss, JOAN HICKSON. Thank you so much, Oscar! And that article tells ALL about it! Super!! I still wish they'd rerun them; I don't think I got to see ALL of those.

I loved Joan Hickson as Miss Marple, she seemed perfect for the part as Margaret Rutherford was not. The episodes were on so many times some years ago that I was burned out on them, but I am ready for someone to bring them back.

I remember when my granddaughter was about 10, I mentioned to her that I had grown up on the books of Winnie the Pooh and loved the drawings, but didn't like the Disney ones. Tammi looked me in the eye and said, "Yes, but Granny, I grew up on the Disney ones and they are the ones that I love". That shut me up!

I found John Thaw as Morse to be arrogant and I hated the way he treated Lewis, but he played the part the way Colin Dexter wrote it as far as I am concerned. I read one of his books and crossed Dexter off my list.

Two interesting and true stories about the late Joan Hickson are that at 89 (or 87, can't remember which, now) she gave up the part of Miss Marple because she did not want to be "typecast," love that spirit, and that she had in her possession a letter from Agatha Christie who really enjoyed her performances in something else, saying she must write a piece for her, but sadly Christie died before that was possible, and I think but am not sure (I have it on video somewhere but who knows where) she said she must write a Miss Marple for her to perform. It's David Suchet who Agatha Christie never saw and who tried very hard to make a Poirot whom she would have liked.

To me, Joan Hickson and David Suchet both broke the mold for those two characters just like Basil Rathbone did for Sherlock Holmes and Alistair Sim did for Scrooge, but you know we all have different taste.

Speaking of Sherlock Holmes, this spring I finally got in the "Sherlock Holmes Museum" on Baker Street in London (there IS no 221B which I am sure you know) which is quite interesting, the most interesting thing being the lines of people waiting to get in and have their photo taken with Sherlock or the man dressed up like him or the affable bobby on the steps. The "museum" is made out to be what 221 B Baker Street would have looked like and there are figures of Holmes and Watson poised like Madame Tussaud's, but the thing which struck me the most were the letters, going back for decades, some of them with 2003 dates, of people writing "Holmes" for help with their problems, and they appear quite serious, amazing, isn't it? No wonder Doyle could not keep him dead.

Perkie, your Tammi is a very bright little girl, and she is absolutely right. I think we tend to forget that our children and grandchildren really don't have the same memories and assocications we do. Personally, I still watch Disney. ...Babi, eternally young (or juvenile, take your pick).

I agree that Joan Hickson was perfect for the Miss Marple part. Loved the books and thought the series followed them closely. Didn't care for Margaret Rutherford as Miss Marple. She was too energetic. I also thought David Suchet was good as Hercule Poirot. Enjoyed both the books and series, but enjoyed the Miss Marple stories more (in books and TV).

Well, Joan Hickson and David Suchet are unanimous favorites for those two characters. And Hickson didn't want to be typecast... at age 87. That brought out a guffaw from me, Ginny!

How could we get PBS' "Mystery!" to bring back the Miss Marple series? A letter writing campaign maybe...? All in favor, say "aye".

Glad to see someone else agrees with me about Dexter AND John Thaw, Perkie! I read one Dexter and decided not to bother with any more.

There is an interview on BBC World radio with Ruth Rendall about her latest book. I am hoping I can catch it. I do like her books. They announced the interview was upcoming this morning.

Carolyn

I finished Jane and the Prisoner of Wool House by Stephanie Barron. It is a mystery series which involves Jane Austen.

Jeryn--

I mourn John Thaw every time I can bring myself to watch a Morse movie. I identified so much with Morse. His arrogance wasn't deep--but he did have his own set of things that meant a lot to him; his love of classical music, especially Mozart. I always saw him as lonely, misunderstood by most of his colleagues and wanting really to form closer connections with people. He was very fond of Lewis but loved to tease him. Having him die both as a character and an actor was tough for me. I have tapes of 23 of the Morse shows, and I've watched them a lot. I did like that man.

As for getting someone to show the Jane Marple mysteries, you might have better luck with A&E. They've had sort of a monopoly on the Christie shows.

Oh Yes Morse was my all time favorite too!

Carolyn

Still on a older book kick. I am now reading Alex Kava.. Sort of a brutal serial killer type. Sort of an odd beginning in that we seem to have both the killer ( mysterious) and the FBI profiler, etc. in the book. I may give it up if it gets too gory.

But Jeanlock, I don't get A&E! No cable. For me, it's PBS or nothing. But would we each have to write to our local PBS stations? Is there a central PBS headquarters, I wonder? I'll see what I can find out. ..Babi

BaBi--

You'd have to get in touch with your local PBS. They do not all program the same things. There are 3 or 4 in the Washington area: a couple in Maryland and 2 or 3 in Virginia. Each of them programs things differently. My Wash Post TV Guide lists most of them, and I can never get the programs on the Maryland PBS because my cable company only carries Virginia stations, and even they are different.

Well, that I can easily do. The University of Houston operates PBS here; it's a teaching and training ground for communications, arts, drama and media students. They do a terrific job...highly professional and creative. ...Babi

Babi, just an idea from a lurker. Do you have a VCR and does your public library have tapes? My public library has most of the Miss Marple, the Hercule Poirot, and the Sherlock Holmes episodes that were shown on PBS. Yours might, too.

I am reading "Every Dead Thing" by John Connolly. Had to post a message here about it - super story. Quite gutty too, so if you don't like that type of thing, don't read this one!

Mary - good suggestion. I never think of my public library and tapes. They are in alphabetical order by titles. My grandchildren showed me where they were.....................Jay

Just finished a very good book. Its called Buried Evidence by Nancy Taylor Rosenberg. I would give it about a 8 it was very fast moving and was I guess a page turner.

I love Stephanie Baron's Jane Austen series, Hats. Have you read any of the other 4 titles in the series?

Did you hear the Ruth Rendell interview, Kiwi Lady? Was it about the new Wexford, "The Babes in the Woods"? It is not in our library yet, but will keep a lookout for it. I love Rendell.

Your public library catalog should list the videos under the heading of Christie, Jay. Our library lists the media in the browse list under each author's name. I also found three Miss Marple's under her name as the subject heading, as well as numerous Poirot's and Tommy & Tuppance's. What would we do without our grandchildren to teach us things!

Thanks for the Nancy Taylor Rosenberg, Judy Laird. I have added her to my list. It will be a nice antedote to the book below.

I am bogged down on "The Dante Club" which is not a mystery except for the puzzlement of how a work of fiction can be so dry and sleep-producing.

Hi Perkie, I have read one or two other Jane Austen mysteries. These are Jane and the Unpleasantness at Scargrave Manor and Jane and the Man of Cloth. I have forgotten the plots. To me, the last one I have read is always the best one. Which one should I read next? Do you recommend all of them?

Thanks bunches for that suggestion, mary1607! I checked our library's online catalog... they have three of the "Best of the BBC Miss Marple series" so I will be requesting them shortly. I think I've seen all three but it's been years so will enjoy seeing them again.

I'm about half way through the latest bestseller mystery, The Da Vinci Code. It almost gets overly descriptive with its "history lesson" but nonetheless interesting plus the whole book seems to be a gigundous chase scene. Anyone else here read it yet?

Jeryn, you are right. I get the impression of a "car chase" too. You know, the ones you might see in the movie. This is a different read for me. I find the parts about art and museums more interesting than the secret societies. I am only on chapter thirty three. I do find Da Vinci Code hard to put down. Dan Brown's writing style is great, I think.

Our library videos are in alphabetical order by title, since most movies are more recognizable that way. But the computerized catalog has the books-into-movies by author, too, which at least lets me know if they have it.

Jeryn, I read The DaVinci Code for the discussion starting Sept. 2, where it looks like a lot of discussion is going to focus on separating the fact from the fiction. If you're enjoying the book, you ought to join us. ...Babi

HATS, I cotton to the art aspects more than the religious ones too. I majored in Fine Art, after all! I've tracked down on the Internet a site where I could view "The Last Supper" to check his facts! Hmmmmm, all present and accounted for!

Thanks, BaBi. I knew it was coming up but forgot when... how timely! I too, would like to get a handle on what is fact and what is fiction here. It ALL sounds pretty plausible to me!

Do come to the discussion then, JERYN. I enjoy doing research, and am set on knocking down some of the author's "plausible" statements.

Since you majored in Art, perhaps you can answer a question that arose for me in reading the book. (Of course, we can't bring it up in the discussion until the reading schedule reaches that point.) My question is, when did early artists begin using halos around the heads of saints in their paintings? And were halos used before that time, in pre-Christian art?

I've been looking around, and I fear I may have given away my large Art History book when I moved here. ..Babi

I"m not. never really could get with all those boring english mysteries. at least they are to me . . .

were for religious art which was supported and done for the church etc. mostly in the twelfth century or twelve hundreds I get mixed up on how to designate that.

anyhow they more ore less disappeared with the renissaince (sp) which showed people and things in perspective and in a more representative fashion i.e. 1400.s on ..

Yep I was an art major too only at ucla in the late nineteen forties but those history courses are anient histroy fr me now. masacio was one of the first to use real perspective and I don't think he had haloes. I could be wrong. anyhow the 1400's were what my teacher chose to emphasize for realism.

even though I reserved the Large Print copy. Sometimes if you ask for the LP even though your eyesight is just fine for regular print, the waiting list isn't quite so long. For instance, if I had reserved a regular print copy I would be #361 in line to get it, but when I reserve the large print copy of the same book I am only #37 in line. Still, it is going to be a long time before I can get it and judging from what some of you are saying---I hope it is worth the wait.

Phyll, I hope you get it in time to join in the SN discussion... sounds as if it will be quite interesting.

BaBi, like winsum, it has been a loooong time since those art history courses which were mostly pretty boring anyway! <BG> I can only say the most "memorable-to-me" halos were found among works before Giotto and I vaguely remember some attribution to "Byzantine influence" for what it's worth department. But maybe that will give you a jumping-off place for some online research... then you can dazzle us all in the discussion which starts tomorrow!

I too, have given away my old art history books long ago and nearly everything else I have is packed now anyway. We're TRYING to move; anyone want to buy a nice house in NE Ohio?

I started Simon Brett's Fethering series, the first one being "The Body on the Beach" with two women, Carole and Jude, as non-professional sleuths. I'm quite annoyed by Carole. Another character who retires early, is tidily set up, no money worries for her, but she feels bereft somehow and has deliberately orchestrated an empty life in retirement. When she retires she chooses a new haircut that'll suit old age, a practical car, a dog to accompany her for walks because dogs are the 'thing' to be seen with on walks and not because she likes dogs. Everything she possesses must be tidy and in its place.

When Carole discovers the body of an unknown man on the beach she wanders home to wash her dog and clean house before calling the police? She's aloof and self-centered and rather self-pitying. I want to shake this Carole back into consciousness!

Yet my hope is that Carole is human after all and that touching Gulliver, even though needing the excuse of having to tidy him up, is a comfort to her. We'll see. So far her motivation for delaying the police call hasn't been broached by the author and there's no hint that Carole feels affection for her dog -- but I'm hoping. Poor Gulliver likes his baths because that's the one time he gets touched.

Carole's new next door neighbor, Jude, is just as annoying but in different ways. Jude is bouncy, slightly unconventional, secretive -- never tells her last name even to her new friend Carole and never reveals any aspect of her life, is gleeful about her secrecy -- and is as messy and disorganized as Carole is compulsively the opposite.

So why are they frends? I can't figure that one out. I think I can see where Simon Brett plans to show how these two characters change. I've already seen a mild thawing in Carole by book's end. No change in Jude yet but then the spotlight, at least in this book, was on Carole. Just don't know if the hinted at growth and change is enough to keep me going. The mystery part itself is fine; I just have problems with Carole and Judge. I have two other books in the Fethering series and am debating whether to start on them or not.

Has anyone read them? What do you think?

Marvelle

Thanks for a lead, Jeryn. I'll see where 'Byzantine' art takes me. ..Babi

Marvelle, my reaction to the Body on the Beach was similar to yours. I don'tknow whether I will read any more in the series either. None of the books are in my local library, so I have to use interlibrary loan, which dictates when I read a requested book - and I don't know if the series is worth it to me. However, I do like to see how characters develop.

On another note, after the chaotic summer of older teens home as well as the return of our oldest adult child and the accompanying crowds of teens and young adults, a new puppy and hectic work schedules, I can see the draw of a well-ordered, dull life. For awhile. I would hope it wouldn't take the extreme of finding a body on the beach to get me moving back into participating in life, though.

That is extreme, NLHOME, but Carole is an extreme character. It was easy for me to get copies of the Fethering series from the library and, since I'd already checked it out, I'm into the second book Death on the Downs. This time around Jude has a larger part in the mystery. Both characters are still annoying but toned down somewhat; so there is character change. A quarter of the way through I think I've sussed out Jude's secret life.

I'll finish the mystery tonight -- give me a nice cozy murder and I'll sleep well.

One of the problems I have with the Fethering series -- don't remember if it's the same for other Simon Brett books -- but I can't visualize the setting. Here we have this semi-quaint village, a walker's paradise of trails and beach, old cottages, pubs and yet I can't quite see it.

What I enjoy in a mystery is a good puzzle (plot), interesting characters that I'd like to meet in 'person', and a strong sense of place.

Oh well, on to the rest of Death on the Downs.

Marvelle

Ok, I went online and requested this one. You're right,Marvelle, a nice cozy is relaxing - I am reading Firewall by Henning Mankell right now. Definitely not relaxing or pleasant. But the characters are interesting, and the plot is intriguing - so far a little to close to current events in some ways. Still I can't read a lot at one time.

Well, JERYN, I did find a Byzantine figure, more like an engraving in gold, with what I took to be a halo. Still looking to see how far back these go, and where the earliest appeared.

I picked up a paperback that my daughter acquired on her vacation, called "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Crime". It sounded amusing. Unfortunately, it was so silly and artificial I couldn't stand it. Every character was a caricature. By the time the murder was announced, I tossed it. ..Babi

I like the Fethering Mysteries. I think there is a definite change in Carol by the end of "Death on the Downs". She is beginning to loosen up. I can sympathise and understand Carol a little, but Jude, on the other hand, is a puzzle. I think she has more personality problems than Carol. At the end of the book it sounds as though she will be on the move again.

Of Simon Brett's mystery series, my favorite is Mrs. Pargiter. My husband also enjoyed that particular series. They are best starting right from the beginning.

Here's another idea, BaBi... I read somewhere that the Romans used halo-like structures on paintings of their gods. Where THEY got it from, can't say. Byzantium, maybe. I think we ARE seeing some copy-catting on the part of the early Christian church; they are known to have copied other ideas from the Romans as well. Christ's birthday, for example, was moved to coincide with the Roman Saturnalia, a feast in celebration of their many gods. Christianity had a good press agent in those early days! <BG> We have Constantine to thank, if I remember correctly?

Jeryn that's a perfect tie in for our new Story of Civilization discussion just starting which will focus on the Romans in the course of it's history, if any of you are interested in participating, just look to the bottom of this page below the cartoons and you'll see an underlined link called Books & Literature, click on it and scroll down to see all we offer.

Marvelle and Nlhome, I finished The Body on the Beach and I will have to say it did not live up to its premise, I do have the last one in the series, which has had raves, so I think I will skip the middle ones and go to the meat. I personally disilked the character of Jude, and I don't know where the author is going with that one or Carole for that matter, so I think I'll read the new hardback in the series, (which I bought in England), and find out, will let you know.

Am engrossed, as I mentioned in our Welcome Center, in Foul Matter (which apparently is a term publishers use to refer to manuscripts) a new hardback mystery by Martha Grimes which she wrote in anger after a publishing house rejected one of her books 20 years ago, she's been simmering ever since! The tone of the thing just changed abruptly and became very menacing, it's amazing what writers can do with words! Also it apparently contains insights into the world of publishing mystery novels and the agents, etc., are apparently recognizable, I can't put it down myself and it really clues you in on the power these successful authors have, very clever, so far, but I'm just getting into it.

Anybody else reading it?

ginny

I have read and liked all of the Jane Austen series, Hats. They each stand alone so it probably doesn't matter about the order in which they are read. I have a thing about reading series in order, but that is my hangup. There is some carry over of story line from book to book, but it is rather minimal. All the titles are "Jane and the ... Man of the Cloth (1997), ... Wandering Eye (1998), ... Genius of the Place (1999),... stillroom maid (2000), ... prisioner of wool house (2001)". Enjoy!

I want to read 'Foul matter', Ginny, as soon as I can find it on the new book shelf. I love Martha Grimes and have read most of her other works. I am looking forward to this one.

GINNY, I've put "Foul Matter" on my reading list. You have piqued my interest.

Jeryn, you are going to have a ball with "The DaVinci Code". Just be prepared to take much of it with a grain of salt. ...Babi

I've gotten interested in foul matter too. how about putting it on the exchange? or is it a "keeper".. . . . . claire off to join you at the civilization discussion. . .

Perkie, thanks for giving the series in order. I am going to start another one soon.

I seem to be getting into some good books latley. A Darker Justice by Sallie Bissell was outstanding. The main character is Mary Crow. I liked it so much I am going to look for one of her others with Mary Crow in it. Its called Call The Devil By His Oldest Name.

Deborah Crombie just gets better and better, more complex. Her latest Duncan Kincaid/Gemma James mystery, 'And Justice There Is None' is so rich in plot development, character iinteractions, and descriptions of place that I finished it with a sigh, glad that she is working on her ninth in the series. If you haven't read any of them, I heartily recommend that you start with the first one, 'Share in Death' which came out in 1993. It seems to me that you would miss the continuity of growth in the relationship between the two main characters otherwise.

I have given up on Simon Brett's Fethering series. Didn't like Carole or Jude; both smug and stereotypes and I wonder if the author even likes them. As a matter of fact, I didn't like anyone in the series except Gulliver and he didn't have a big enough part.

Marvelle

I just got a copy of Death on the Downs - Was planning to start it tonight - Will see if I agree with you. This would be my second in that series.

n

Am reading Minette Walters "Dark Room". She is certainly not a 'formula' mystery writer, based on the two books I've picked up so far. Her characters are strong, the leads human and likable and even the bad guys are well done. Marvelle, after an unpleasant time with Carole and Jude, Minette Walters should be a pleasant change. ...Babi

Thanks, BABI. I'll try Minette Walters. I have had a strong urge to read new-to-me mysteries and so I stuck through two and a half books of the Fethering series which shows my desperation. I'm going right now to reserve Walters at my local library. Funny how sometimes old favorites are the comfy-reads and then there are times when nothing will satisfy but the completely new -- new book or new author?

Marvelle

I've read three of Minette Walter's books, 'Ice House', 'Sculptress', and 'Scold's Bridle'. I agree that each one is quite different and extremely well crafted. 'Dark Room' is next on my list.

I rarely go back and re-read a book. There are just too many new ones waiting for me to open their covers and begin.

One author I have completely given up on, after reading 9 of her Goldie the Caterer series, is Diane Mott Davidson. I just cannot take one more volume of her kitchen being vandalized, her ex-husband planning mayhem against her, and her being able to turn out exquisite meals in cramped and unlikely kitchens. Talk about your formula writers!

It was with a sigh of relief that I turned to Hamish Macbeth and 'Death of a Dentist'. I love M.C. Beaton's lighthearted and well written series, especially now that Macbeth is not mooning over Priscilla quite so much. That theme has dragged on endlessly and I was sick and tired of it.

Getting into Joan Hess' Claire Malloy mystery, 'Roll Over and Play Dead' was a bit of a drag, but once into it, I enjoyed it. Her daughter is a teen-age pain, but developing into quite a resourceful young woman. It is light reading and, after the first couple of chapters, moved right along at a spritely pace.

takes most of my time but I read a little to relax. nothing great. Ill come back later and pick up a list from all of your reviews. in the meantime LURKING. . . . claire

Perkie: I agree with you on Davidson. I enjoyed the earlier ones, but this constant reference to the abuse of the JERK and the broken bones in her hand because of his abuse, the allowing Arch to rule the roost, etc. has become too much.

I do enjoy Joan Hess's two series...both the Claire Malloy and the Arly Hanks for just light, non violent type mystery.

I now have finished reading and thoroughly enjoyed The Widow's Club by Dorothy Cannell. It turns out that Ellie Haskell's castle also has a dungeon that is entered by manipulating the banister of the stairs. And then there is a passageway from there to another house in the neighborhood. The story is so good you want to know how the mystery ends but at the same time it really inspires the imagination and you don't want it to end. I would so love to see such a castle and find secret passageways and maybe even the dungeon.

Perkie; I was glad to see you mention Deborah Crombie. She has taken up number one favorite status with me. What is so fascinating about her is that she lives in a small North Texas town, but has all of the details of the British locales she writes about - to say nothing of the people and the plots - done perfectly as though she is British. Ever since her first book, I have been a loyal fan. isak

I just finished 2 Minette Walters books and they are very well written and very readable. Superior mysteries.

Carolyn

Dorothy Cannell is on my list of books to read, Louise, and I will now push her up nearer the top after your recommendation.

I found Lawrence Sanders 'The Sixth Commandment' quite engrossing. I was up until after midnight last night to finish it, highly irregular for me. Not only is the plot complex and the characters well rounded, but his descriptions were unusually vivid and his banter often made me laugh. I had to go and look up the commandments, not having the order memorized. The sixth is "Thou shalt not kill". Seems appropriate.

I recently finished a J.D.Robb (Nora Roberts) book featuring Lt. Eve Dallas. I read a description of Dallas, and took another look at the jacket photo of Nora Roberts. Very similar; same coloring, height. I noted the Lt.'s habit of sticking her hands in her pockets. Took another look: one hand in pocket on the photo. I am now persuaded that Nora Roberts/J.D.Robb has modeled the character of Eve Dallas on herself.

If anyone here is familiar with both the character and the author, perhaps you can tell me how far the similarities go. Attitude?Toughness? Competence, surely. ...Babi

Hello, mystery lovers! I'm sorry to have been so unattentive to this discussion the past few days. It has been a very momentous week in my life!

Main thing is we finally sold our house and now my husband and I are in "GO" mode for our big move from NE Ohio to Oregon. I'm very excited and very busy, as you may imagine!

I'll look in here when I can but doubt if I get much reading done the rest of the month! When we have to close down the computer for a couple of weeks to make the actual move, my friend and yours--Jane DeNeve--has consented to guide this discussion and answer questions that may arise.

Thanks, Jane, fellow mystery reader!

You're welcome, Jeryn...glad to "hold down the fort" until you get to Oregon and back online.

Jeryn, my daughter has been to Oregon on visits to her father, and she loves it. Says it is so beautiful, the air is much better than here, and her cough clears up almost instantly. Be sure and tell us about your place after you get settled. ...Babi

Congratulations on your move to Oregon, Jeryn. Will you be in Eastern Oregon or Western? I have travelled in the Western part of the state and it is indeed beautiful.

I was intrigued to find an Elderhostel mystery series by Peter Abresch and read the first one, "Bloody Bonsai". The main character is James P. Dandy. Yes, lots of Jim Dandy jokes, which make him flinch, which annoyed me. If he hates Jim Dandy so much, why doesn't he introduce himself as J. Peter Dandy, or whatever the P. stands for? As my mother used to say, "Stop whining". That said, it is still a light read with some interesting complications and some excellent characters. So if you don't mind Jim Dandy jokes, I recommend it as fun.

Thanks, everyone. BaBi, I am looking forward to that fresh fresh air! Perkie,, we are going to Lake Oswego, a suburb of Portland, [NW Oregon] rent for a year or so and "learn the territory" as much as we can.

Have you seen the Portland Rose Gardens, Jeryn? If not, be sure to take them in when your have settled into your new home. http://www.parks.ci.portland.or.us/Parks/RoseGardens.htm

Rys Bowen's latest Evan Evans, 'Evan Only Knows' did double duty for me this week. It was a fun read and it kept me entertained while I waited for my vertigo to pass. Thank goodness for AntiVert! I really like that series. I'm glad his romance with Bronwen is not as troubled as the one between Hamish Macbeth and Priscilla in M.C. Beaton's series.

Did anyone else see the Lynley Mystery! on Sunday night? Nathaniel Parker is growing on me as Lynley. I have always liked Sharon Small as Havers, even if she does not fit the visual image I have of the character in Elizabeth George's books. I did not like Lesley Vickerage, who played Helen Clyde, at all. She doesn't fit the image of the one in the book as I remember her. The casts of the episodes are on: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/mystery/

"Hamish Macbeth?" How did he ever get away with that? <bg>

I did see the Lynley story, Perkie, and I agree. The actress playing Helen Clyde looked much older than Lynley, and I would have expected a much more confident personality in a woman of Clyde's accomplishments. ...Babi

Well, I finally finished this, the second in the Simon Brett series. I had to force myself to finish it and not skip ahead to find out the ending. So I will not look for the others in the series. I think I found the women just a bit too nosy and didn't really like either Jude or Carole that much. Funny, because I have enjoyed the Charles Paris mysteries and the one Mrs. Pargeter book that I have read. But this plot seemed a little clumsy.

There are so many other good mysteries out there, and so little time for reading. A friend recommended Earlene Fowler's quilt series, and I have a copy of Irish Chain. Has anyone read her books? N

I just listened to my first Deborah Crombie book - Mourn not your dead.

I really enjoyed it. The development of the characters was very good -good character development is often missing in crime and mystery books.

I have another book on my shelf ready to start. A share in death also by Deborah Crombie.

Carolyn

N, I just finished Earlene Fowler's Arkansas Traveller. I would like to read the whole series. The Arkansas Traveller includes two multicultural churches trying to merge together. Also, there is a hot mayoral election going on. It's hard to put down until you finish it. I like the way Earlene Fowler uses quilts as part of the story. I would like to read Irish Chain soon.

I think I have read all of Earlene Fowler's Bennie Harper series, Nlhome, and enjoyed them. Fairly light reads and most enjoyable. I just finished my third Elm Creek quilting fiction work by Jennifer Chiaverini (Quilter's apprentice, Round robin, and Cross Country quilters). While not a mystery, I find myself caught up in the characters and in quilting terms and techniques and they may be of interest to quilters in the group. I do recommend reading them in order as the characters grow and change from book to book.

I also like Deborah Crombie's Duncan Kincaid & Gemma James series, Kiwi Lady. The relationship between the two grows and develops throughout the series, which I find an interesting part of the well crafted stories. I must admit I sometimes confuse Duncan Kincaid & Gemma James with Thomas Lynley & Barbara Havers in the Elizabeth George series.

I barely got started on 'Heat' by Stuart Woods before I had to put it down. I find I just cannot read about the DEA and cults stockpiling weapons in the Idaho mountains. The subject is depressing enough without spending my recreation time on it.

Thanks for the encouragement, Perkie. I am trying to start Irish Chain, but don't have the concentration for a book now. I read short stories as I suffered through and end-of-summer cold. Sometimes the short puzzle of a mystery story is what I need. Do others here read mystery short stories?

N

I'm with you on the short stuff. I like to have several books of short things, stories, mysteries, essays, on hand for when I am not able to stay "focused" for any length of time.

Howzat

Finished a Taylor Smith book called The Innocents Club which was very good. My daughters choice of books seem to be getting better or maybe I am just not so fussy anymore.

I'm sure her choice is getting better, don't you, Judy? ;0)

I find I tend to be fussier...sometimes I just get downright annoyed with some authors who fiddle around and don't get on with their plot.

Or maybe I'm just disappointed with authors I used to enjoy who've just gotten too firmly rooted in their "formula."

Well Jane I hope so. As most people who have known me since almost the beginning of the book clubs I rarely buy a book because my daughter who lives in Alaska reads without hardly a break. I don't know of a best seller in the grocery store she doesn't buy. when someone comes down or someone from here goes up they bring me back a huge box of books, so I am really lucky that way. Some authors I don't care for go to the used book stores and I have an unlimited stack of books to read. With her schedule I don't know how she does it but we both read in bed at night.

Here, here, Jane (or should it be Hear, hear). I find I get far more annoyed with authors than I used to do, especially the ones who belabor the plot, or speculate (did he do it, did she do it) endlessly, or whine and complain, or rely on formulas. (I had to look up speculate. I hate when a word sits on a page and looks more and more incorrect each time it is perused)

J.A. Jance's combination of her two series was interesting and much better than I feared it might be. Since it was set on Joanna Brady's territory, and J.P. Beaumont was sent to Arizona it was more interesting for the Southwest lover in me. The interaction of the two was intense and it was interesting to see how they resolved trying to work, or not work, together. For J.A. Jance lovers who are familiar with both, I think, and non Jance readers should probably start with the earlier books.

Nlhome and marvelle, am sorry to hear that the Feathering series fizzled haahahah I'll skip to his latest which they were raving over in England and see how it stands up, thank you for saving me any more Jude and Carole, Jude got on my nerves, wanted to slap her and didn't know why, that's not very nice! hahaahaha

Oh but what IS nice is the newest Hamish McBeth, Death of a Village, I've started it and it's like a gift, she's really in the groove, and it's really one of the best so far, I am not very far in it so may change my mind but I hated to put it down last night and that's a really good sign, it's so far QUITE good.

Claire, if you're looking in while packing, no I am not thinking Foul Matter is a keeper, do you want it?

ginny

Jude was smug and that annoyed me. She kept congratulating herself on her self-conscious PC stance and her 'tolerance' towards others. IMO the self-congratulation actually highlighted Jude's intolerance and her judgmental side.

Marvelle

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Oh, good, Ginny. A new Hamish Macbeth. By the time I read a couple of the earlier ones, it should be off the new book shelf and easier to find.

I just finished "The Jackal's Head" by Elizabeth Peters. I was reading so fast by the end that my eyes were tripping over each other. It doesn't have the tongue-in-cheek humor of the Amelia Peabody series, but certainly was exciting. And almost sacreligious in the handling of ancient artifacts, not like the care that Radcliffe Emerson always takes. I didn't realize that Elizabeth Peters is the pseudonym for Barbara Michaels, who also records and writes under the name of Barbara Mertz. That is my new thing for today.

I've come across a little gem of a mystery. It is by Leo Bruce and features a history professor from a small school in England. "Such is Death" has a most unusual premise, a motiveless murder, which is clear from the beginning. I can hardly wait to find more by this author!

Saturday I went into Borders Book store to see if I could find out the dates for Miami's books fair. They don't know but I know it is in November. One of my favorite TV shows is Murder She Wrote and one of the recent episodes was set in Miami at the time of the book fair. While at the book store I spotted a book I have been waiting for. "CASTLE ROUGE" by Carole Nelson Douglas so I bought it. I think I also saw a new Midnight Louis mystery and even a new CAT WHO mystery. I'll check again another day for those.

Hmmm...Perkie...thanks for that author and title. It sounds very interesting.

I just finished "Agatha Raisin and the Case of the Curious Curate" by M.C. Beaton.

It was a quick read and great bedtime reading for me.

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Bill H

Louise, the Miami Book Fair is November 2-9. http://www.mdcc.edu/bookfair/ I thought I had seen all of the Mystery She Wrote series, but I'm afraid I don't remember that one. I stumble on one I missed every once in a while. The Cabot Cove ones are still my favorite, especially since they were filmed just up the coast from me.

Sharon Kahn's "Fax me a Bagel" is not exactly a cozy, since it has so much humor in it, but it is an easy read and the characters are so vivid that I was really caught up in them. This one introduces Ruby, the Rabbi's wife, and I think there are two more in the series. I am already looking forward to the next one!

Ginny--

Is that the Hamish Macbeth who is a policeman in Scotland, and about whom there was a series on BBC-A? I really enjoyed the series, and thought the casting of Hamish was great.

"The #1 Ladies Detective Agency" books have just appeared in my library. I have just started "Giraffe's Tears". (Crocodile tears I've heard of, but giraffes?) I'll pass on my opinion of it when I finish. ..Babi

Just finished Kyle Mills the Burn Factor. Pretty scarey but it was good.

Babi, I enjoyed The #1 Ladies Detective Agency. It's a small book and quick to read, not a heavy mystery.

I just finished another mystery by Earlene Fowler. The title is Dove in the Window. I like the husband and wife team, Gabe and Benni. He is a police officer. He tries to keep Benni from investigating crimes. Somehow, she always finds a dead body or two. It's a fun cozy series.

I thoroughly enjoyed the first of Alexander McCall Smith's Precious Ramotswe series, BaBi. It was titled 'The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency' and I am looking forward to reading 'The Tears of the Giraffe'. I'll be interested in hearing how you like it. I loved reading about Botswanna, having known nothing about the settling of the country, and the people, important parts of a story for me.

I also like Earlene Fowler's Benni Harper series, Hats. I do get a little annoyed at Gabe's often high-handed treatment of Benni, but love the way she always stands up for herself. I think I am even fonder of her sweet cousin and his romance with Benni's best friend Elvia. And I like the tie-in with quilts.

Susan Conant's Holly Winter and her Malamutes series is quite different from Sue Henry's Alaska sled dog racing books, lighter and not as action packed. It is the world of show dogs and has a lot of very funny lines, which I enjoy. I have read two out of a long list, 'Stud Rites' and 'Creature Discomforts'. Not all of her books are in our library, but I am not so enamored that I plan to track the others down.

Jeanlock, yes, it's the same Hamish McBeth, it's the brand new one on him and I really enjoyed it, it was fun.

ginny

Murders in the Rue Morgue is now open.

Bill H

I love Miriam Grace Monfredo's Glynnis Tryon series, set in New York state in the middle 1800's. It has a strong historical background as well as exciting stories and a strong woman main character. However, I totally bogged down on Monfredo's Cain trilogy. It too has a strong historical background and a strong woman character, Bronwen Llyr, but I guess spies in the Civil War just don't interest me. And when Bronwen is paired with a cocky, brash, egotistic young man who has made several passes at her before they even leave their superior's office, Monfredo lost me completely. I'm not even sure why they are catalogued as a mysteries.

It was a gray Sunday here, with a raw wind for much of the day - so I finished Love for Sale by Jill Churchill. I had not heard of the Grace & Favor series before, think someone here mentioned it.. Definitely a "cozy" read for a day like today - nothing too challenging, but pleasant. I like the time period, and the characters were fun. I usually read darker mysteries, but I guess I'm in the mood for something more cheerful. I think I will have to look for the first book in this series.

I had started The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency awhile ago, will get deeper into it this week. I, too, find the setting intriguing.

N

I have read the Jane Jeffries series by Jill Churchill, nlhome, but was unaware of the Grace & Favor series. Thanks. I have ordered 'Anything Goes' from interlibrary loan.

Perkie, I also ordered "Anything Goes" from my library today. In the meantime, I am starting one of the Jane Jeffries books tonight. That would be my first one in that series. I wish I had time to read all the books that catch my interest in these discussions.

N

as mysteries. I"m trudging through RED RABBIT by Tom Clancy because all the russian names etc. are hard for me to rmember. who is whom etc. I keep stopping, quitting and then going back to it again. oh well. . . . . claire

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Claire, when it gets really bad it may help to jot down the names of the key players, with ID, for quick reference. It saves having to go hunt up the original appearance of the character. I don't know how many times I've stopped to stare at a sentence for a while, asking myself "Who's that!?"

I am enjoying my little "Giraffe's Tears", featuring the #1 Ladies Detective Agency and Botswana. Learning some interesting things about the country and the people. BUT, I'm finding the dialogue strange. All conversations seem very polite and formal, even stilted. Is this a characteristic of verbal communication in Botswana, or is Mr. Smith simply not at his best with dialogue?

..Babi

Hi Perkie, thanks so much for your information. It really makes me happy because it does not come the following weekend. I had not seen that particular episode of "Murder She Wrote" either. I have seen several lately I don't remember.

I have read another book by Dorothy Cannell. She really is hilariously funny. I surely hope she hasn't stopped writing. I am ready to see some more.

Another author I have found I like I Peter Tremayne. His main character is Sister Fidelma and his historical mysteries are set in 7th century Ireland.

I'll have to add Dorothy Cannell to my list. Peter Tremayne, now, I have read. I do enjoy a good historical setting in most anything. ..Babi

Thank you for Peter Tremayne and Sr. Fidelma, Louise. I like the historical ones, also, first having been hooked by the Cadfael series by Ellis Peters. Some of my favorite historical mystery characters include Ursula Blanchard by Fiona Buckley, Didius Falco by Lindsey Davis, Fremont Jones by Dianne Day, Lady Susanna Appleton by Kathy Lynn Emerson, Matsuyama Kaze by Dale Furutani, Queen Elizabeth I by Karen Harper. Mary Russell by Laurie R. King, Hannah Trevor by Margaret Lawrence, The Domesday Books and the Nicholas Bracewell books by Edward Marston, William Falconer by Ian Morson, The Pitt books and William Monk books by Anne Perry, Amelia Peabody by Elizabeth Peters, Roger the Chapman by Kate Sedley, and Judge Dee by Robert van Gulik. Gad, I didn't know there were so many! Plus they are all over the globe and in many historical periods. If you want the titles, let me know: mannygordon@comcast.net

I just finished 'Tears of the Giraffe' by Alexander McCall Smith, Babi, and I too love the characters and the descriptions of Botswana, i.e. "... he had followed the path that led to the pump-house. It was one of those peculiar paths that seemed to wander, but which eventually reached its destination. This path made a lazy loop round some pumpkin fields before it dipped through a donga, a deep eroded ditch, and ended up in front of the small lean-to that protected the pump." I can see that path in my mind's eye. I don't find the dialogs stilted. Try reading it in a leisurely fashion as a fable as, to me, it has that kind of cadence. I love the fact that Mma Makutsi was elevated to Assistant Private Detective, and was tickled by her solution to the case of Rra Letsenyane Badule, even if it caused Mma Rowatswe another moral dilemma.

The ladies of the #1 Ladies Detective Agency do have a very practical approach to problems, PERKIE. Why make a lot of people unhappy if you don't have to? I also liked the idea that if you could afford to hire a maid or gardener, it was selfish not to do so as people desperately needed work. There is a lot about the "old Botswana morality" that I like. ..Babi

I am also enjoying the No. Ladies Detective Agency series. I thought the language to have a bit of a rhythm. It's relaxing to read, and I read more slowly and, as Perkie said, thus see more pictures in my mind.

I like the people and the morality that is suggested.

I'm just starting Tears of the Giraffe. Should make for a relaxing weekend read.

N

Back from my month away. I read an awful lot while gone.. Now to remember any of it. J.D. Robb.. Norah Roberts.. Check out the pictures in the two different author series.. Norah has a ball. She is doing herself up as two different characters.. I suspect the real Norah is somewhat different. I saw her once when I still owned the used book store and went to a Romance Author convention. She looks a lot different in the flesh.. Am so glad that others are tired of Diane Mott Davidson. I have declared her a no no no author. Cannot take the kid and the same plot recycled over and over. I did read the new Rita Mae Brown and Sneaky Pie mystery in paper. As always much fun and she got a new artist and the corgi is now much better drawn.

I finished my second Laura Lippman, Tess Monaghan in "In a Strange City", placed in Baltimore. I had forgotten that Edgar Allen Poe was buried there, and the story hinges on a mystery man who leaves three roses and a half-filled bottle of cognac at his grave on his birthday. Also on Poe memorabilia and several murders. Interesting, well plotted story. Now I am ready to check out a collection of Poe's works. I haven't read them for years.

I like Laura Lippman very much. Have tracked down each book that she has written and enjoyed each one. She truly does a wonderful job on Baltimore. She also does a nice job on Austin and San Antonio Texas in another of her books.

The Jane Austen mystery series by Stephanie Barron could be classified as historical fiction, as far as I am concerned. I finished the seventh in the series ' Jane and the Ghosts of Netley' . I can almost see characters from Austen's books in the characters that Barron portrays, especially Austen's mother who could have been put whole cloth into 'Pride and Prejudice'! The ending of Barron's book left me wondering if that is the last one. I shall miss them. They are well crafted with the flavor of Austen's novels.

I am enjoying my Raymond Chandler book. I had forgotten how good he was. A real craftsman. ...Babi

I just finished Tears of the Giraffe, the 2nd in the series about the Ladies No. 1 Detective Agency. It's a gentle book, with little mysteries. I think I like it because the characters seem so human and normal. None of this super sleuth stuff.

I am also reading the first Grace and Favor book. That, too, is a fun read.

I think I need some lightness in my life these days, so these books appeal.

Now a question. Has Nevada Barr been mentioned much in this discussion? I enjoy these books mostly because of the settings. I may never get to these parks, but at least I have an idea of what they are like.

N

Hi, Nlhome, and yes, there are several Nevada Barr fans here. I wonder if you saw the link in the header to her website? Here it is

Nevada Barr website click here

I've read several of them but they haven't really grabbed me yet, but that sometimes happens to me. I need to read a couple more and maybe I'd be more enthusiastic about her.

I think I have a little more interest because someone I know spends months each year volunteering at different national parks. It sounds like a fun retirement project. Yes, I have checked out that link, and I have read the latest book mentioned. I like the characters, but more, I like the settings. They vary, and most are in the outdoors. One that was different was Ellis Island, and I found that one very interesting.

N

I have read all of the books written by Nevada Barr. The last one Hunting Season was set in the Florida Keys. The only way to get to it is by water so I know I'll never go there but it was fun to read.

When I go to the library I start by looking at the section that says "new mysteries" to see if any of my favorite authors has written something new. Last Saturday I found 2. The Whole Truth was written by Nancy Pickard. This is the 3rd book with Marie Lightfoot as the heroin who lives in south Florida. I think it is fun to read about someone who lives here and gets her groceries at Publix just like me.

The other book is Castle Rouge by Carole Nelson Douglas. I ave een waiting over a year for it. It is a sequel to Chapel Noir with Irene Adler. I'm sort of saving it for last.

The book I am currently reading is by a bran new author: C.L. Bevill. It is set in the Bayous of northwest Louisiana somewhere near Nachitoches. It is quite interesting.

Oh good, I like that Nancy Pickard series. I think Marie is quite interesting.

Nevada Barr is one of my all time favorites, nlhome. Being in love with the Southwest, I like the ones set in the West better then the ones in the East, but they are all well written. We visited Mesa Verde after re-reading 'Ill Wind' and tried to envision events in the book, even to driving around the staff housing to see where Anna Pigeon would have lived!

Thank you for mentioning C. L. Bevill, Louise. I would love to read books set in the bayous. They have always appealed to imagination. I used to canoe and whenever I saw a film set in the bayous, I used to fanticize canoeing through them. I hope his books are not as violent as James Lee Burke's, which are well written and which I like but have to space out at fairly long intervals.

I have Nancy Pickard on my list, but disliked the Jenny Crain series so much that I have been hesitant about trying the Marie Lightfoot series. Have you read the Jenny Crain books, Louise? If so, how would you compare the two. I dote on the Eugenia Potter series and feel that Pickard has carried on the Virginia Rich series extremely well.

Yes Perkie, I have read the books with Jennie Crain as the sleuth and they were o.k. I do like Marie Lightfoot. The book I just read is the 3rd in this series. I thought when I read the first book that Marie mght be Indian but it appears to be a psudonym for her "real name." What caught my eye and made me choose to read her book first was this Author's note:

The Miami Book Fair is a real, and wonderful, event, but I have taken the liberty of moving it to the spring.

I have completed reading Bayou Moon. If I saw another book by this author I would read it. I wouldn't mind seeing the author let Mignon and John Henry solve some more mysteries. Naturally the story involves Louisiana's politics which can be strange. There is also a touch of voodoo. I have seen some of the bayous around Lafayette. They use a flat bottom boat called a Pirot(sp).

I never liked Jenny Cain, but I do like Marie. She is interesting and has a complicated back story, which is neat. Will look for the bayou book. I love James Lee Burke, but oh me, he is violent.

'Bayou Moon' is on the new book shelf at another branch, so will wait awhile to see if my branch gets a copy. Maybe I will suggest it. I am looking forward to trying it. I looked on the internet for 'bayou' and 'flat bottomed boat' and came up with the name 'pirogue'. Does that sound right. Louise? I have seen them in movies set in the bayou.

I requested an ILL for the first Marie Lightfoot and am looking forward to reading it when it arrives. I read a review of the third book, where her past is revealed, and the first book received all sorts of awards:

"Drawing on her background in journalism (and perhaps a touch of Ann Rule), she came up with a new mystery series featuring protagonist Marie Lightfoot, best-selling author of true crime books. The first installment, "The Whole Truth," won a slew of award nominations (the Edgar, Anthony, Agatha and MacCavity awards) from mystery writers and readers. "Ring of Truth" also is short-listed for awards, and both books have won Pickard her largest audience yet." Denver Post book review, Sunday, June 30, 2002

Somehow I mixed up the order of Sharon Kahn's Ruby, The Rabbi's Wife, series and read #3 'Don't Cry for Me, Hot Pastrami' after #1. That was a mistake since there were all sorts of references to #2. Ruby is so funny, and her characters so believable that I want to throttle Essie Sue. The third book has a lot about Conversos, Spanish Sephardic Jews who were forced to accept Catholicism or be tortured during the Inquisition. Many settled in Mexico and spread into Texas and New Mexico and were practicing Catholics with family traditions from the Jewish faith without knowing the origins of them. That makes sense to me, since I remember a few things I did as a child that I did not question, such as why one never drank from someone else's glass in the house, but it was all right to drink from the dipper by the horse trough that everyone who worked on the place used, even my grandfather!

Pirogue does sound correct. I think I never actually knew how to spell the name of the flat bottom boat. They are used at night when the moon is full so they can catch frogs. Frogs legs are considered a delicacy.

Remember Brenda Lee of the powerful voice, and that popular song of hers with the line, "..gonna go row my piroque down the bayou"? That's the one, Louise. ...Babi

I had frog legs in a restaurant once. The flavor was very mild, not at all froggy. I guess I expected them to taste more like fish.

'Short Cut to Santa Fe' by Medora Sale is sometimes a bit confusing because the motivations of many of the characters is quite different from the surface motive shown to the reader. This makes it a compelling story that kept me up until midnight last night. I found that there are five earlier titles in the John Sanders/Harriet Jeffries series. Being set in Santa Fe drew me to the book and I am glad it did.

You're more daring than I am, Perkie. I have been told that frog's legs taste like chicken, but I'm still not willing to eat one.

Another author I haven't heard of before...Medora Sales. There are just too many!! (sigh) ...Babi

I've never tasted frog's legs either, but somehow I can't believe they could taste like chicken.

Medora Sales is a new name to me, too, Babi....and I don't even want to think about eating frogs legs...ewwwwwwwww.....

Sorry, y'all, but frogs legs are really good, and they are pretty much like chicken drumsticks, only smaller...very sweet and tender.

Was just informed of the following sad news from the San Francisco Chronicle:

Carolyn Heilbrun

NEW YORK (AP) -- Carolyn Heilbrun, a feminist scholar of English literature who also wrote detective novels under the pseudonym Amanda Cross, died Thursday. She was 77.

Heilbrun, who had written that living after the age of 70 should be a choice, apparently committed suicide at her home, according to her son, Robert.

Heilbrun, a retired professor at Columbia University, specialized in modern British literature. She joined the university's faculty in 1960 and was the first director of its Institute for Research on Women and Gender.

She was the author of such works as "Toward a Recognition of Androgyny," "Reinventing Womanhood" and "Writing a Woman's Life," and wrote numerous academic articles.

For years, Heilbrun -- fearing she would not get tenure at Columbia -- hid her mystery novels from her colleagues, publishing them under the pseudonym Amanda Cross. The heroine of the books, Kate Fansler, was, like Heilbrun, a feminist professor of literature.

Forgot to ask if any of you saw the last Lynley/Havers on Mystery! last weekend? It was based on the book "Missing Joseph" which I remember enjoying when I read it. I think this was the best episode yet. I loved the photography, especially the long views of the cottage and the area around it. It didn't say where in Lancashire it was filmed.

I'm sorry to hear of the death of "Amanda Cross"...Carolyn Heilbrun. I've enjoyed her books, mostly...though the last one I read was a stretch, to say the least, I thought.

Sorry to hear about Amanda Cross. Always enjoyed her books although there didn't seem to be very many.

On one of the BBC America bulletin boards I saw a message about some books by Kate Charles that led me to believe that perhaps she has some new ones out. I'll have to check Amazon because I thought her Church of England books some of the more literate and interesting mysteries of the current lot.

I don't believe "Mystery" was on our PBS station this past weekend. I hope "Missing Joseph" will be aired here. I like those shows.

I am now reading "Rebecca" for the first time, and finding it as good as DuMaurier always is. I don't know why I couldn't get into the first time I tried years (many) ago; just not in the mood then I guess.

A shame about Amanda Cross; I was sorry to read that. ...Babi

I was not aware of Kate Charles, Jeanlock. I will definitely look her up. Literate mysteries are always welcome.

I am currently listening to 'A Place of Hiding' by Elizabeth George and am unsure it it really belongs with the Lynley/Havers series. Lynley has only made a brief appearance so far. The main characters are Simon St. James and his wife Deborah. They are on the Isle of Guernsey. The only thing I knew about Guernsey was the cows by that name, so the descriptions are very interesting and the story is so complex that I am never sure where it is going to turn next. It has blindsided me a couple of times and I wish I could listen faster, like I sometimes read so fast my eyes seem to trip over each other.

It's just so gooood to have the time to sit at this computer and read about all your wonderful mystery recommendations once again! Thank you so much, Jane, for watching over the place during the past three weeks.

These past three weeks have been pretty exciting for me, my husband, and our two cats. Anyone who is interested can read a brief synopsis of our big move from Ohio to Oregon at Post #374 of the Walking discussion here on SN.

It TOOK me about three weeks to read Dark Nantucket Noon by Jane Langton but not because it wasn't interesting. Definitely not a heavyweight nor a cozy, either, but perfect to go to sleep with after my many very busy days. I thought it was cute.

I managed to get the last three Lynley/Haver TV episodes taped before we left Ohio but haven't had time to view them. Something to look forward to just as I look forward to her latest book. I think Simon and Deborah St. James played minor roles in many of the earlier Lynley series, Perkie. Interesting that she is featuring them this time.

Always sorrowful to hear of a famous author passing. Now I really must read something by Amanda Cross... been on my list a long time.

Ooohhhh, I groan with delight thinking of eating some frog legs! A delicious and mild-flavored delicacy everyone should at least TRY!!!

Welcome back, Jeryn! I was glad to help out by watching over this discussion, but I'm glad you're back and will turn over the keys to this discussion back to you----------> Keys-------> to Jeryn! ;0)

Welcome back, Jeryn. You are in a beautiful part of the country. I hope you have time soon to drive up along the Columbia River. It is awesome in the original sense of the word. I have long wished I could take one of the 7-day cruises that start from Portland and travel 1,000 miles up the river, through 8 locks and dams!

I am a fan of Jake Page and the one I just read is the best I have read so far. It is titled'Cavern' and involves the storing of nuclear waste in New Mexico near Carlsbad Caverns plus the descendents of a prehistoric short-nose bear. The story grabbed me and didn't let go until I had finished. At one point there was a confrontation between a hunter and one of the bears, and by that point I was rooting for the bear!

Thanks so much, Jane! Really appreciate your help and --->Keys received!

Perkie, we drove in on I-84 which runs right along beside the Columbia River past at least a couple of large dams and a fair-size city or two. Not sure how many miles... 100 or more, I'd guess. As one nears Portland, the gorge grows more and more scenic. At one point, I nearly drove off the road as Mount Hood loomed suddenly above the bluffs ahead! What a peak! We hope to do some more sight-seeing soon.

deepeasttexan here-------I haven't been on here in quite a while---so I see I have lots of INTERESTING posts to read. Peter Robinson is my all time favorite British mystery writer----I'm just finishing Innocent Graves. Has anyone else on here read his books?

Hi - Read "#1 Ladies Detective Agency" last night. It is just a small book and I read it in a few hours. It isn't a mystery/thriller as such, but it's a charming, warm story about a nice lady who becomes a detective and some of her cases. It's set in Africa, which makes it different. I thoroughly enjoyed it........Jay

Hi Jay,

I'm enjoying that series, too. I'm looking for the 3rd in the series. Very pleasnat to read in these unpleasant times. Yet I think very human as well.

N

I have just finished DuMaurier's Rebecca, with great satisfaction. If anyone here has for any reason missed this classic, I highly recommend it.

I am now reading one of Alligham's Mr. Campion short stories, "The Case of the White Elephant". I've got to share with you two quotes that amused me.

CDI Oates to Mr. Campion:"I'll put my cards on the table. This isn't official; this is the truth"

And this one- Mr.Campion:"I suppose they've got alibis fixed up for the night of the crime? CDI Oates: "Fixed up?" "The alibis are so good that we ought to be able to arrest 'em on suspicion alone."

<bg> ...Babi

Oh Babi.. I did love Mr. Campion. Have not thought of him for years. I just finished ( while on a trip)a strange book that is the second of a series. One of those Hearts of Gold type cowgirls up in Wyoming or so. Not much fun.. Just too much of the" Oh I used to drink and drug my wy through life.. But no more" Mustang Sally is the nickname of the central character..

Just finished Julie Garwood's book Killjoy. It was g good read and knocked my socks off at the end, I was so surprised just didn't see it coming. Now I think why didn't you see that??????????

BaBi, Rebecca is a wonderful classic mystery... I'd recommend it to anyone. Don't you think it is timeless?

Judy, has Julie Garwood written anything else? Name sure is familiar...

I just started that latest Joanna Brady mystery... can't think of the author's name... anyhow, it's called Partners in Crime. It was highly recommended in this forum. I've not read any of the earlier ones from this series.

Jeryn, the inside cover pages list 19 books written by Garwood. Gentle Warrior

Guardian Angel

Saving Grace

Ransom

The Clayborne Brides

Mercy

Just to list a few.

Well, that might explain it, Judy! <LOL> I've probably read some one of those 19 sometime or other.

I thought Garwood was a romance writer. Was "Killjoy" a mystery, JUDY? ...Babi

Gosh, BaBi, it has been a long time since I thought of Mr. Campion! I will have to get some of them out. Thanks for reminding me.

J.A. Jance brings together two of her series, Jeryn, Joanna Brady in Arizona and J.P. Beaumont from Seattle. I think the Joanna series is great and am not so intriqued with Beaumont, but the combination is interesting. Do try some of the earlier ones.

I am not familiar with Julie Garwood, Judy, but will definitely look her up. Do you recommend starting with 'Killjoy'? I notice that it is the third one in the Buchanan Brothers series. My library lists it with fiction but has a subject heading of Murder for hire--Fiction.

Garwood seems to have a lot of short series: http://www.myunicorn.com/bibl3/bibl0363.html

I had to give up on 'The Terra-Cotta Dog' by Andrea Camilleri. It is an Inspector Montalbano mystery, and Sicilian Mafia is not one of my favorite themes. I don't know if it just because of that, but the writing seemed to drag, at least for me.

Babi Killjoy was defiantly a mystery with a little romance thrown in. It has twists and turns that leave you wanting more. Perkie I can find nothing on the book about it being a series. I looked at your web site and I still don't know. From Midwest book review: Killjoy has more than enough action to keep killer fans happy...Garwood has created a female Hannibal Lector, a woman so evil that readers will root for her downfall.

The Advocate

This novel demonstrates what Julie Garwood fans have come to expect: well defined character and solid suspense. ............

A must-read book...Garwood fives readers a good story with likable characters who offer snappy, witty, and fun dialog. As you know I read what my daughter sends down from Alaska and this was in the box.

My daughter picked up a couple of Julia Garwood pb's at the library sale. I just took a look at one called "Heartbreaker", and instead of a romance as I assumed from the title, it is also a thriller. I'll have to look into Ms. Garwood. ..Babi

Babi,, Be careful.. Julie Garwood was a long time Romance type writer. The mysteries stuff is all recent. All of the long term romance ladies are trying for the romance-mystery audience. It is far larger than the pure romance stuff or the historical romance stuff just now. I am working on Sue Grafton's Q is for Quarry and it is not bad at all.. I had not liked O or P.. The combination of Joanna and JP Beaumont is odd, but fun.. I like Beau very much and Joanna is growing on me.

Thanks for the tip, Stephanie. On asking my daughter about Julie Garwood, I learned that she is a Garwood fan and has about two-thirds of her books. I don't care for 'romance' books, so I'll check thru' them for what my daughter describes as her 'suspense-thrillers'...Babi

I just finished the latest Thomas and Charlotte Pitt by Anne Perry 'Seven Dials'. I had a little trouble getting into the story, not like the earlier books where I plunged right in and only emerged when duty called. It seems to me that she has gotten so wordy in the later books that I find myself skipping the endless pointless rehashing of facts and speculations. As long as I do what a good editor should have done, edit out the extraneous sections, the story is excellent and Gracie and Tellman have greater roles and added a lot of interest. At one point Pitt has to visit Alexandria, Egypt, and the descriptions and Pitt's fascination with the area are a pleasure to read.

darnit. lots of tempting stuff here. I don't do romance either but sometimes a mystery writer thinks they need it to enhance his/her audience. it all depends.

I read "Seven Dials" a couple of weeks ago. Like you, Perkie, I enjoyed the part about Pitt in Egypt. I think the Pitt series has gotten more somber as it has progressed. The tone of the first books was much different. Now the tone is much like her Monk series.

Anne Perry does have a new series starting. The first book is called "No Graves As Yet". It takes place during WWI. I haven't read it yet, but it will be interesting to see if new characters put some lightness back into her writing.

I just read Sue Grafton's K book and find a sort of relaxation in her books.

When I hear an author being interviewed on radio, I will many times jot the title and author down and then plan to read the book. That means I have many scraps of paper laying around so I decided it was time to start reading them. AN HOUR TO KILL by Karin Yaplalater is a 7 day book from the library so I got right into it. Yuk. Several murders to be solved, too many suspects, several psychiatrists, and all the sex you can handle if not more.

Has anyone else read this book or the author? I'd like another opinion on it.

I only ever finished one Ann Perry mystery; I think it was the very first one? The Cater Street Hangman, I think it was called. Quite good but when I tried another of hers, just couldn't get into it.

I like Sue Grafton too, O'Sharny. Just enough mystery and not too much of all that other stuff. I'm not familiar with the author, Karin Yaplalater, and from your description I don't think I want to be! <BG>

To those who sing the praises of J.A.Jance, I'm quite enjoying this Partner in Crime and will probably read some more of hers. I'd like to try both series, now that I've met Joanna Brady AND Beaumont.

That's the book I'm reading. Author is Sharon Fiffer. Recommended by a friend who knows I love rummage and garage sales. I haven't read enough to know if I will want to read the next in the series.

It's a good book for a dreary day - a cup of tea and a cozy...

N

I picked up a J.A.Jance book to try. I liked it so I went back and got the first in the Joanna Brady series. Now it looks like I'll have to read the other series also.

Mary

A new Anne Perry series! That will certainly be something to try, Mary. Thank you for the update.

I looked up 'Killer stuff', nlhome, and read the review from Publisher's Weekly (a new library service, having a link directly to reviews from the listing of the book!) and have definitely put it on my list. It sounds like a lot of fun.

I read my first Grace and Favor mystery, 'Anything Goes'. In previous messages here about Grace and Favor, I thought it referred to the names of two people and I wondered why everyone kept mentioning someone named Lily. It wasn't until I was into the book that I realized it was the name of an estate. I enjoyed the book a lot and am looking forward to the next one. I vaguely recall that some of you liked Lily and others did not. I am one of the ones who do, but I am always drawn to strong women characters.

Working on Four Blind Mice. Some of his stuff, I like, others not.. This is a goodie.. Alex Cross and not quite so out there as the last few of his.

I read the new Anne Perry - "No Graves As Yet". Felt like I was wading up to my knees or whatever in words. Too many words - too many reiterations. I didn't know it was the beginning of a series. At any rate - no lightness here.

Hi. I'm new to the site. It's great to find people who like the same mysteries as I do.

I like Lily too, but the series just doesn't have the zing of the Jane Jeffries one. Perhaps it is the lack of personal experience.

I zoomed through the outline, and saw most of my favorite writers: Perry, Scottiline (reading her new one Dead Ringer), Barr, Albert. Has anyone mentioned Ann George? I love the interplay between the sisters. But my alltime favorite strong woman is Dorothy Gilman's Mrs. Pollifax. I reread the old one's when I'm feeling blue.

Hi all, havent posted here for awhile. Had lots of company this summer and tried to work parttime too. I didnt get to much time to spend on the computer. I just checked through all the posts I missed, and my reading list is really getting long. I must tell you about a book I just finished, LETTER FROM HOME by Carolyn Hart. She writes the Henri O series and the Death on Demand series. This book is something entirely different and was a very enjoyable read. Hope to participate more often now that winter is on the horizon. Barb

Glad to have you back with us, Barb. It seems like a lot of people have been away. It is not often that I see two of my messages on one page!

I finally read my first Jeanne M. Dams mystery. Just hadn't gotten interested in her, but she is always on the new book shelf at the library so decided that if she is that popular I should at least try her. The one I read is 'Death in Lacquer Red', a Hilda Johansson Mystery. The cover is gorgeous. It was a fun read, light-hearted and well-crafted with the murderer being somewhat of a surprise. Hilda reminded me of Loretta Young in 'The Farmer's Daughter'.

Perkie, I like Jeanne M. Dams. The Hilda Johansson series is good, but I like her Dorothy Martin series better. Dorothy is an American widow who moves to Great Britain where she and her husband had planned to retire. Of course, during her crime solving, she meets a policeman who just happens to be a widower. Funny how all the lady sleuths just happen to come across a friendly policeman. :>) I laughed at your comment about Hilda reminding you of Loretta Young in that movie. That is how I picture her too.

Hi, JOANK. Always glad to 'hear' another voice. Ann George sounds familiar. I have probably read something of hers. What are a couple of her titles? I'm more likely to remember the title when it's a newcomer (to me, that is). ..Babi

Anne George died,,, I believe last year. Anyway she wrote a very funny series about two sisters. I liked it very much.. But it took me forever to start to read them. YOu have to really push to get through the first book, but then they got much much better.

Stephanie, are you referring to the first book Anne George wrote, or the first time someone reads any of her books? If it's the former, I'll just skip her first book. <bg> ..Babi

Babi,, it was the first one that was not well written, however it does set the stage and the things are very very connected.. So struggle through the first and then you will laugh the rest of the way.

On your recommendation, Stephanie, I'll give it a try. As soon as I finish the four other books sitting in there. ...Babi

Joan have you ever read A Nun in the Closet by Dorothy Gilman? It was the first of hers I ever read and I absolutely loved it, I like Mrs. Polifax, too.

ginny

Skip Anne George's first book. I liked "Death Runs in the Family"

I liked "Nun in The Closet" too. But my favorite is the first Mrs. Polifax "The Unexpected Mrs. Polifax" where she goes to the CIA and volunteers to be a spy, and ends up smelling horribly like a goat. She is who I want to be if I ever grow up(without the smell, hopefully).

I loved the first Mrs. Pollifax, but the later ones do not thrill me.

I wasn't going to mention the latest Dorothy Gilman that I just finished, but since she was metioned I decided to go ahead. I really like the Mrs. Pollifax books, they are so much fun to read, but 'Thale's Folly' is much more complex and the characters are more fully developed. The title is the name of a rural house on 25 acres of farm and woods. The collection of people who live in the house are strays who were found and brought there by the owner. They are a wonderfully colorful group of people and I am glad I got to know them, if even for such a short time.

On a lighter note, I also finished Sharon Kahn's second Ruby, the Rabbi's wife, mystery. I love Ruby's phrasing and her light-hearted bounce, even when I want to shake her at tell her to just say no to Essie Sue, but then there wouldn't be a story. The title is 'Never Nosh a Matzo Ball'. If you haven't read them, do start with the first one, 'Fax me a bagel'. It was that title that drew me to the series.

Egad! I am following myself again.

I hope everyone had a good Hallowe'en. Our jack o' lantern makes a delicious pie.

I celebrated by reading 'Aunt Dimity Takes a Holiday' by Nancy Atherton. This one takes place at a manor house in Wiltshire, and is just as delightful as the earlier ones. Aunt Dimity seems to know everyone who is anyone!

A new one to me is Todd Borg. I picked 'Tahoe Death Fall' because it has Tahoe in the title. It is fairly well written, if poorly proof read, and the story moves right along. The main character, Owen McKenna, has a harlequin great dane named Spot, who is one of the star players, and a twitchy very intelligent forensic entomologist for a girl friend. Not a great book but not a discard, with lots of descriptions of the Tahoe Basin which I enjoyed since it has been quite a while since I have visited there.

Perkie, I am finding more and more paperbacks with errata a halfway decent proofreading should have picked up. Apparently an initial cursory proofreading is all the publishers want to invest in a paperback; keeps down the costs and enhances the profits. And annoys me. ....BAbi

Unfortunately, it's just not paperbacks. I've found lots of mistakes in hard cover books, too...even things like the character's name being changed and then it goes back to the original name. That really throws me for a bit until I figure out what happened.

Yes, I am noticing more and more that proofing is a lost art or a forgotten one. Sad.. I also noticed while listening to a new tape, that they had cut so much from the book, that at the end they were talking about a murder not mentioned anywhere until then. Sad..I love Evanavich, but will have to get the book to read the whole story.

I think "proofreader" is an extinct profession - publishing houses use SpellChecker and a real person never reads the "finished" product. I've found characters with blue eyes on one page and brown eyes on the next. Once I found a chapter with two different endings (each about 1 1/2 pages long), one following the other. Isn't it annoying! I must confess to correcting errors in books - even library books. I just can't help myself.

I see I am not alone in my complaint about proofreaders.

I don't remember if Kate Charles was mentioned here earlier, but if so, thank you very much. I just read the first Book of Psalms Mystery featuring David Middleton-Brown. It is titled 'A Drink of Deadly Wine'. Wonderful characters, a complex and well-crafted story and a setting in and around St. Anne's parish church (fictitious) in London near the V&A Museum. I love David, a sweetheart of a man. And there are four more at the library!

Perkie--

Be sure to let me know if you ever find a sixth Kate Charles mystery. She seems to have quit after those five; and they were so enjoyable that I always looked forward to having a new one each year.

I have a silly question. Has that pair of eyes always been on the gray bar at the top of the page?

Mary

Me, too, Mary Z. Some are just too much to ignore. I can at least lay claim to some experience as a proofreader. I worked at the job for a year proofing technical manuals for North American Aviation in Inglewood, CA.

The 'Psalm' mysteries sound really good, Perkie. I've added Kate Charles to my book list.

Mary1607, you have sharp eyes. I hadn't noticed those eyes until you mentioned them. I'm usually too involved with this cranky mouse of mine, trying to get down where I want to be, to notice anything. Cute! ....Babi

Those eyes have been there a looong time, folks! I put them there myself when I first started working here as DL.

I can join the crowds complaining about abysmal proof reading these days. Editors must trust too much to their "spell checkers" just as cashiers no longer know how to count out change since the computer [usually] does it for them. Just because we have these wonderful electronic gizmos doesn't mean they should stop teaching kids anything!

Perkie, jeanlock, are those Kate Charles books heavy on religion or just placed in a religious setting?

What gray bar? What pair of eyes?

Howzat

Religion in the books--

Only as necessary to create the environment and further the plot.

I haven't seen a sixth in the Book of Psalms mysteries, Jeanlock, but there are 4 books apparently written under her real name of Carol A. Chase: (1985) Hunter's Kiss; (1998) Unruly Passions; (1999) Strange Children; and (2001) Cruel Habitations. The latter is listed in our library catalog under Kate Charles.

Me, too, Howazat. Glad I am not the only one! What gray bar? What eyes? I can locate neither at the top of the page, Mary. I use an iMac, but why would that make any difference, if it does?

Jeryn, I agree with Jeanlock. A lot of the Kate Charles book was set in a church and centered around the religious events there, but are not heavy on religion per se.

I watched a video of an Albert Campion BBC production. Actually I watched one and a half. When I watched the first one, I didn't realize that part 2 was on the same tape! Duh! I will have to check it out again and watch the second half, since the last scene was Mr. Lugg looking aghast up into a tree and saying, "Oh, my gawd" in long drawn out syllables. The series is such fun, and I love Peter Davison (Tristan of All Things Bright and Beautiful) as Albert Campion.

I'm with you guys. What gray bar.. What eyes.. Enquiring minds,,,

I see the gray bar and the eyes. Had to go look for it. hehe

Perkie, I don't understand why you don't see it because it is a graphic. I thought they showed up in any browser unless you have your browser preferences set to not show images. It is after the sentence that starts "Pull up a comfortable chair and join us..." I had noticed the gray bar, but had never noticed the little pair of eyes until a couple of days ago.

Jeryn, I guess I wouldn't make much of a detective. It only took me a couple of months to notice the eyes. :>)

Look right under the red print that starts, "Pull up a comfortable chair..." I had to search to locate it. Sue

I could swear that I get graphics, but no eyes, folks.

Look to the far left on the gray bar, Stephanie. However, it might not show up on a Mac. It's pretty tiny, BTW. Sue

The local PBS is advertising Hellerman's Coyote Waits, to air Nov. 16. I'm looking forward to that one.

Let's face it folks. After the initial start-up of a new discussion, we all do a fast page-down past the headers to get to the posts. No wonder we miss some of the goodies. ..Babi

Oh, yes. I really like him. Just saw him in the mini-series At Home with the Braithwaites on BBC. And he was in one of the Diana Rigg Mrs. whatshername mysteries, too. He sure does hold up well over the years.

Can anyone see THIS grey line??? [identical to the one in the heading] Gawrsh... I thought it was kinda cute! Never dreamed it wouldn't be seen.

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Jeryn, maybe you need one that moves to get their attention.

Eyes

Went to the library to vote yesterday, and browsed the new books. And found a BRAND NEW SHARYN MC CRUMB, "Ghost Riders". Brought it home and started right in on it. It's fascinating, as all are her 'ballad' mystery series books. This one uses Civil War Re-enactors as background. As soon as I do the ironing, finish paying bills, do 'shopping', etc., I'm going to hop right into bed, turn off the TV til 'prime' time, and read away.

I also got a new Anita Brookner book, "Making Things Better". I enjoy her books, too.

Ironing? I think I have two (2) items left in my wardrobe that need ironing. They would be worn more often if they didn't. My daughter uses the iron to press her cross-stitch when she's finished. That's about it. Actually, I never minded ironing. You could see immediate results for your labor, and it was a good time to let your mind wander down dreamy paths.

Most of my reading is done in my rocker. When I lie down, either I soon get drowsy, or the kitten gets in my face.

I'm currently reading John Grisham's Testament. Not what one would call a mystery, exactly, but it has its suspense. ...Babi

Oh, there are the eyes! I considered that a gray line, not a gray bar. Shows what happens when one assumes assumptions. It reminds me of Kilroy's eyes and fingers without the rounded head and nose. I don't remember who spotted it first, but you sure have fast eyes. Thank you, Mary, for steering me in the right direction.

I enjoyed 'Ghost Riders" also, Jeanlock. Her Nora Bonesteel series is one of my all-time favorites. There is a little nostalgia when a new one comes out and I can't share it with my dear friend Judy who died two years ago. Her roots were in Kentucky and she often visited relatives there.

I don't iron either, BaBi. The last few things I had that needed ironing mildewed so badly, sitting in the basket all dampened and ready for the iron, that I threw them away! Never did like ironing and was never very good at it. I had a high school friend who ironed sitting down until she dropped the hot iron in her lap!

I did get the Campion BBC episode out of the library and saw the rest of it. The ending this time left me with more questions than the ending of the first half did. Oh, well, such is life.

Oh.. I did see them.. My problem was that I simply saw the line and did not think to look directly at it.. Comes from the eyes getting more and more difficult. I love Norah and Sharon McCrumb, so will look for it right away. I iron.. I simply dont like even do not press ( as it gets older) without a clean pressed look. I have shorts that are cotton and shirts as well. Living in Florida, cotton is my great joy.. Cooler and wicks away sweat ( I know,,, the lady glows, but I do sweat here).

Gee, Perkie, I always thought I was the only one who had dropped a hot iron into her lap - while wearing shorts, to boot. I didn't stop ironing then, but as soon as permanent press was invented, I ironed my last article of clothing. It always surprises me when I hear of someone who irons anymore (including my own children).

I didn't notice the eyes either, until we started talking about them. But that's what makes it mysterious, right?

Boy Howdy, them eyes is little bitty, and cute as can be.

Howzat

I'll join the pro-ironing brigade. My mother taught me well, and I could iron a man's white starched shirt flawlessly. But I married an auto mechanic, so had little use for the talent as an adult.

But I taught my daughters; and they both know that when they are sewing they must press every seam as it is stitched. Personally, I enjoy ironing. Makes me feel good to lift a wrinkle-less item off the board and put it away. I was never one who didn't like to keep house. I loved it.

<LOL> There are some things that must be ironed so I do it, maybe twice a year. Not that I hate it so much... just seems like there's always better things to do. Like read another mystery! <BG>

Now that everyone has seen "them there eyes", I think I'll put up the new one that PatW has brought us. I'll put it under the old one for a while and you all can tell me which one you like best. Or can see best! Thanks, Pat!

I've picked up an old Ruth Rendell mystery... The Secret House of Death. I have quite a stack of Rendell's that I picked up at a library sale once. She's a nice creepy writer for a chilly November evening!

I am new in this area. At this time I am reading "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown. Do any of you discuss books or what do you do here?

WELCOME, Roseda! I read The Da Vinci Code not long ago myself... a very interesting and suspenseful story. Also there was a discussion of it right here in the Seniornet Books; you might want to check it out. Look on our main Books menu under Archived Discussions. Or click here to go directly to the archived discussion.

Yes, we discuss books... all kinds... in the different discussions. Here in Mystery Corner, we share titles of mysteries we've read and liked as well as discuss them a bit and mention related TV shows. Anything mysterious goes!

JERYN, leave them both up. The eyes on top are peering right down on the eyes that are busily searching back and forth. If they only knew! lol ...Babi

I'm in the no ironing brigade too. A friend had an interesting experience> She went to lunch with a group of senior friends, all women except one bachelor. He said something about it getting harder to go back upstairs in the morning to make his bed. "Make your bed???" It turned out the man was the only one who made his bed every morning: none of the women did. Does this mean something?

On another site,someone mentioned the mysteries set in Venice by Donna Leon. Does anyone know them?

I was dissappointed in the first Tony Hillerman broadcast. It made me realize how much the land and sky are characters in his books. With all the resources of cameras, the TV couldn't give that sense of the West as a presence that Hillerman does.

Now that is enlightening. I don't iron any oftener than I have to. I don't make my bed every day - thought I was being lazy. In summer all I need is a bottom sheet and 2 pillow cases. So I guess it's always made. My sister is coming to visit me this weekend so I have put a new quilt on it. I bought it from Sears and it has cats applicaid.

Oh me.. Well not only do I iron, But I make the bed every single morning. Get up, walk my 40 minutes with dog, come home, change, make the bed, shower, etc. Then I can have juice, cereal coffee, etc and read the paper. I think I am keeping my Mother from spinning in her grave this way. She was a southerner and had firm ideas about what you needed to do to live a decent life.. ( dont chew gum either, keep thinking she would come to life and bop my head)

I think making beds and washing dishes right after eating was because most early homes (of ordinary) folks were small and some rooms did double duty, ie., the kitchen was also the family room, study hall (when school was in session) bathing room (since often times it was the only room with water), and sleeping area for children or the ill. So, it was a question of an area being tidy so multi-use could occur without the space turning into a mess.

Also, women were very judgemental of other women (Lord have mercy, they still are) so a woman did everything she could to not be the object of scorn for any reason. Cleanliness is also heavily stressed in the Bible.

Ironing? Well, city folks did all that excessive ironing. Farm folk only ironed those things they wore "to town". Farm folk had higher priorities. And, it depended on the woman. I must admit I always felt personal pride in my laundry, both the washing of it (and I started out washing on a rub board in a #3 tub) and the ironing of my family's clothes. I did iron sheets and pillow cases one time. But I found I liked the "feel" and "smell" of unironed sheets the best. Of course I iron nothing now.

Howzat

Stephanie--

I'm with you although I don't do the exercise-walk dog bit; no dog, and can not usually leave the house til near noon. But I do remake, and turn down the bed every day. I considered homemaking an 'art', and even when I worked, managed to keep most of my standards. Until, that is, I became a not-so-gay divorcee with those 5 kids and a demanding job. It wasn't so much the 'cleaning' of the place, but the effort to make it warm and inviting to anyone who might stop by. And people DID stop by in those days. And I sure miss those leisurely mornings around someone's kitchen table with the coffee pot, and the kids mixing it up in the other room or outside. We were sociable in those days.

I like them both too, BaBi!

stephanie, I don't know if it's my mom's ghost or just that I am so much like her. I couldn't bear to NOT make my bed! It just wouldn't look right. I make it up as soon as I get out of it every morning. I don't do all that other stuff before breakfast though... gotta have my oatmeal and coffee before I even dress.

I can relate, jeanlock, although I only had two kids to rassle singlehandedly into adulthood. Happily, my present husband came along and pitched in. I was/am very lucky.

I think that's all true, howzat, and goes a long way to explain why grandma did what she did, and why our mothers taught us so well. I can't leave dirty dishes in the sink, either. I honestly remember when I was very small and took my bath in a large tub in front of the kitchen stove at grandma's house! The warm water was heated on that stove and the bathroom was just down the yard!

But I don't think you are being lazy, Louise, nor anyone else who doesn't iron, JoanK! <BG>

I did read a mystery by Donna Leon, set in Venice... wasn't it a series with the police chief as leading character? Can't remember the name of the one I read.

I agree, JERYN. The purpose of housework is to keep our homes clean and comfortable, places we are happy to be. Anything that achieves that is fine. The problem comes when we work out problems with our upbringing on it. My mother, as the oldest of ten children, was kept inside darning her brother's socks while they played outside. She grew up hating housework. She only agreed to marry my father if he promised she would never have to darn socks, and she could have a maid. She taught me, without meaning to, to hate housework too, but without the money for the maid. I wish I could take pleasure in it, like JEANLOCK.

That's why I enjoy the comments on housework in the Jane Jeffreys series so much. Although, I think she is becoming neater as the series progresses.

I guess I think I have to keep an orderly house so that I can keep an orderly mind---just can't think straight when the house is a mess! Even when I worked in the library I always had to clear my desk of clutter before I could go on to the next job. Not so my boss! Kept the messiest desk in captivity!!! I put a sign on her desk once that said, "The only difference between this desk and the Titanic is they had a band!" The next week a sign appeared on my desk that said, "An empty desk is the sign of an empty mind." I surrendered.

I am somewhat laid back about housework, too...but I do make my bed every morning except when I strip it to wash the sheets. This all started when I read about this woman who started making her bed before she got out of it! She would straighten the top sheet while still in the bed, then get up and tighten the bottom sheet, etc. I tried it, and it worked. One minute and the bed is made for the day.

I need a certain degree of order about me for my peace of mind. My daughter, on the other hand, finds clutter and mess cozy. Her bedroom is my idea of a disaster area; to her it is a nest. (She does clean it out occasionally.) Fortunately, her room and bath are at the other end of our mobile home and I can avoid them. (*~*( ..Babi

Bedmaking--

I always turn the sheet and blankets way back to air the bed. My mother's training again. And recently I saw some article about how long the bed should be aired to dissipate the 'effluvium'. I must dissipate the effluvium for sure.

I was farm folk, but we ironed everything in sight. Was absolutely delighted when wash and wear sheets appeared. My m-i-l ironed underwear.. She also only hung it down in the basement. Never ever outside. Was surprised to discover when we went to Holland last year, that in Holland, a woman is judged on her front window. They are the most elaborate works of art imaginable in the villages. Flowers, decorations and the curtains pulled back by 8 in the morning. Our guide stressed that this is important in the villages and it certainly seemed to be. I remember as a child, that my grandparents who lived way way out in the country had no electric ( my grandfather considered it unhealthy) a pump for water ( in the kitchen) and the outside toilet.. Thunder mugs under the beds.. You took an oil lamp upstairs if you were a grownup.. As children, we were supposed to fearlessly climb the stairs by ourselves and go to bed. Needless to say my girl cousins and I would do just about anything to not go to bed alone.

JoanK, that makes sense. The chores I HAD to do as a child are the ones I hate most yet today!

Phyll, I never thought of myself as having an orderly mind at all but I do like a certain order in my surroundings. I like to be able to lay hand to what I want without conducting a search! My husband is even tidier than I but has the bad habit of putting things away in a different place each time he uses it! I'm just glad he puts things away... <LOL>

BaBi, my daughter's room was a mess nest too, until she grew up. I was astonished to visit her as an adult and find things in perfect order; not just for my visit, either -- a mother can tell. A few genes or examples finally rubbed off!

I love this! I've even learned a new word... effluvium, good grief! Where did you read that, jeanlock? Sounds like something in an old-fashion book for new brides! <BG>

Stephanie, you must be older than me... I remember everything you've mentioned except oil lamps. <BG>

Has there ever been a mystery written about housework? I think we're ready for one ... <BG>

There is a neat series of two or three books about babies and being pregnant. Ayelet Waldman( or some such spelling).. Very funny and some even strikes a chord. My grand parents used oil lamps because my grandfather would not permit electricity into the house.. Just would not. Drove his children nuts. There is a Atlanta author.. She has a series where the protagonists owns a housecleaning service.. ?? Callahan Gerrity..could that be right.

Isn't there a mystery series set in Atlanta about a maid franchise? I can't remember the name of the heroine or any titles, but it rings a bell. Sue

Stephanie, we were posting at the same time and I think the Gerrity series is the one I'm thinking of. Thanks for prodding my memory.

In going through my two old volumes of mysteries, I just read one by an author I don't know by the name of Edgar Wallace. Do any of you know of him? His protagonist is Mr. J. G. Reeder, an investigator for the Direcot of Public Prosecutions. Mr. Reeder is quite different from the general run of official English sleuths and I found him highly entertaining.

His boss describes him, on the first page of the story, in the following manner: "He's capable, but I hate his hat. It is the sort that So-and-so used to wear," ..he mentioned by name an eminent politician; "and I loathe his black frock-coat - people who see him coming into the office think he's a coroners officer - but he's capable. His side whiskers are an abomination, and I have a feeling that, if I talked rough to him, he would burst into tears - a gentle soul. Almost too gentle for my kind of work. He apologises to the messenger every time he rings for him!"

I shall have to look further into Mr. Wallace. ...Babi

Aha... that rings a bell with me too... a maid service. I read one some time ago, I think. Don't ask any questions about it! <BG>

Stephanie, did your grandfather fear electricity I wonder, or fear the cost? Since we moved, we have electric heat, no gas at all, and I had definitely feared what kind of bill we might get!

I have a book by Edgar Wallace on my "to be read" stack, BaBi. Thanks to you, I think I'll move it to the top of the pile now!

Jeryn--

Not an old-fashioned book on housekeeping but an answer column in one of the magazines, I think. I don't believe it was Heloise but it was that sort of thing.

Web Definition: effluvium - a foul-smelling outflow or vapor (especially a gaseous waste)

www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

And I certainly don't want to be confronted with THAT when I crawl into bed.

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Edgar Wallace (1875-1932) - in full Richard Horatio Edgar Wallace

British novelist, playwright, and journalist who produced popular detective and suspense stories and was in his time "the king" of the modern thriller. Wallace's literary output - 175 books, 24 plays, and countless articles and review sketches - have undermined his reputation as a fresh and original writer. Moreover, the author was a wholehearted supporter of Victorian and early Edwardian values and mores, which are now considered in some respects politically incorrect. In England in the 1920s Wallace was said to be the second biggest seller after the Bible.

The series with the housekeeping service is by Kathy Hogan Trocheck. The detective is Callahan Garrity, she runs a housekeeping service called house mouse. They are good mysteries. The housekeeping serves to get them into new situations. I believe the first is "Every Crooked Nanny". (WHY dont publishers list past books in chronological rather than alphabetecal order for those of us who like to read series in order? Thank goodness for Sue Grafton).

JEANLOCK, thanks so much for the information on Edgar Wallace. I had no idea he was so prolific. How have I managed to miss him all this time. It would be such a relief to read books full of the old Edwardian values. I'm going to go check on his plays and see if there is anything there I recognize.

Speaking of values, I heard a preacher last Sunday tell of a friend who was an author, and owned eight ( thesauruses..thesauri(?)..whatever. Anyway, he bought three more of quotes by modern authors. He (not clear whether the author or the preacher was referred to here) chanced to look up the words 'honor' and 'faithfulness' in the new thesauri. Not a single quote using either word could be found from the 'modern' authors. What kind of trend would you call that?

He went on to say he then found a study done of teen-agers to see how many knew the meaning of the word "fidelity". Almost none did, but nearly all of them knew the meaning of "infidelity". Oh, Brave New World! ....Babi

Jeryn, My grandfather was ill most of his adult life.. He lived way out in the country, all of his nearest neighbors were Amish.. As he grew more ill, he turned more and more to their religion and they did not believe in electricity in the house.. Where I grew up, there are still a number of Amish and Mennonites. Some have electricity in the barns, some none, some computers in the barns,, some only horses, some cars with no trim.. A mixed bag at best. Anyway Grandfather abruptly stopped his insulin and died, but if he had lived he probably would have ended up in the amish church.

jeanlock, thanks for all the info on Edgar Wallace. For sure, now to the top of the pile! Sounds like an author I could love.

effluvium... Webster says: (1) a real or supposed outflow in the form of a vapor or stream of invisible particles; aura (2) a disagreeable or noxious vapor or odor

My bed never smells like that ... at least, not to me! <LOL>

Thanks for that "house mouse" info, Joan K I had to chuckle at your observation about keeping titles in chronological order. Grafton has the patent, for sure!

Babi, I would call that a trend away from honor, faithfulness, and fidelity... and towards decadence and downfall. Which is exactly what my parents said about my generation!

Well, that explains it then, Stephanie. There are many Amish communities in Ohio, where I recently lived; it was an annual trek for us to visit a certain farm to buy a supply of maple syrup. I'm going to miss that. It was the best syrup in the world.

My mother was from Ohio, and every Christmas, she would order us maple syrup from there. It was great.

Our Amish in Delaware are not into maple syrup. They do the most beautiful cabinets in all of creation. All custom made and costing the earth. The make scrapple and sausage and dried apples( yum).

Thanks to links from my buddies here, I learned much about Edgar Wallace and was amazed I didn't know more about him before. At least one author/critic included his "The Mind of Mr. J. G. Reeder" in his list of 100 best crime and mystery books. Over a hundred of his stories were filmed, one of them three times. And there was a TV series, Edgar Wallace Mystery Theatre, in 1960. Funny I missed that; I loved that type of show. Maybe it was just in England.

Finally, an interesting bit. Wallace was on his way to Hollywood to take part in writing the screenplay for "King Kong" when he died. Because of the fame of his name, it appeared in the movie credits, even tho' he never actually wrote any of the script. (At least, that was my assumption as to the reason. It may have been done as a tribute. Shame on me for being so crass.) ...Babi

...Babi

I love the new eyes, Jeryn. I found myself leaning way over to the right to see if I could look to the left of the screen, behind the edge of the computer, so see what the eyes are so nervous about. I almost expected to see something crawling onto the screen from the left! I never said I was logical.

Oh, Stephanie, be daring. Buy a pack of gum! Leave a wrinkle in your bedspread. Just don't give up walking the dog, who would never give you a moment's rest until you did. <lol>

The Charlaine Harris series set in Shakespeare, Arkansas, has Lily Bard running a one-person housecleaning service. I don't think she does washing and ironing, though. If you would rather not read about rape and mutilation, then best avoid this series, as that happened to Lily and she pulls no punches in her discription of her ordeal.

Bookmark this website, JoanK and you will be able to find a surprising number of authors and their series in chronological order. http://www.myunicorn.com/ Such as the JULIA CALLAHAN GARRITY MYSTERIES

Every Crooked Nanny ..................................... 1992

To Live and Die in Dixie ................................ 1993

Homemade Sin ............................................ 1994

Happy Never After ....................................... 1995

Heart Trouble ........................................... 1996

Strange Brew ............................................ 1997

Midnight Clear .......................................... 1998

Irish Eyes .............................................. 2000

I read 'Mr. Campion's Quarry' by Youngman Carter, Margery Allingham's husband, who carried on the series after her death. He went into commercial espionage in this one and I did not like it as much as Allingham's books.

JoanK, I don't know if there are Amish in Oregon but suspect not. We visited a "Made in Oregon" shop today here in Portland and they have plenty of fruit syrups for sale but didn't see any maple. Snif.

Stephanie, the Amish in Ohio are known for their woodworking also. I have a nice end table, solid oak, we bought from an Amish store several years ago. Also, we had friends in Lexington who had the Amish build all the woodwork in their home - it was gorgeous. Amish built my son's garage/barn where he used to live. You could find Amish woodworkers to do most anything and always a fine job.

Scrapple and sausage mit apple sounds scrumptious!

Thanks for that about Edgar Wallace, BaBi. What a prolific writer. I'm so glad I happen to own one so I can check him out soon.

Aha, Perkie; what do the eyes see???? We're all wondering...

I bookmarked your site and will explore it in due course... thanks! Can't have too many book sites or series info sources.

jeryn, et al, I have been enjoying the 'eyes' and their versatility. They remind me of some 'eyes' that were in the backroom of my dad's store, years ago. They were similar, and were above the area where the eggs were "candled" - and had "eyebrows" for added drama. I think they were to get our attention so that we were careful with the eggs and how we handled them. I copied them because they were dramatic and could 'follow' around the room by changing the direction of the 'brows'. Silly but fun.

isak

The following is an excerpt from a review of the new McCrumb from:

http://www.greenmanreview.com/book/book_mccrumb_ghostriders.html

"Of particular interest to McCrumb in the ballad series in general, and Ghost Riders in particular, is what she describes on her Web site as the state of "betwixt and between," or liminality. McCrumb writes on her site that the inclusion of this state in her early books was instinctive. Those she was writing about were "people of Scots descent, keeping to the old ways, and this border concept is central to their world view." She quotes a passage from Elizabeth Sutherland's book Ravens and Black Rain: The Story of Highland Second Sight on the Celtic sense of being between two states, emphasizing that the same ideas are an integral part of Appalachian culture as well. This idea is a key element in Ghost Riders.

In this novel McCrumb moves from the mystery genre — with a touch of magical realism — to a ghost story in which magic plays a part in the lives of the characters. This move probably horrified booksellers who want to shelve books by genre and those readers who must have every book fall in a neat slot. I have a secondhand, though telling, story of how the author feels about this. A friend of mine is a member of Southern Sisters in Crime, a Birmingham, Alabama, mystery writer's group. When they asked Ms. McCrumb to come speak at the first mystery writers conference they were holding in Birmingham she — according to my friend — politely but firmly responded that she did not consider herself a mystery writer and didn't want to be considered solely on that basis by others."

I just finished a new to me light mystery author...Philip R. Craig. This one was A Vineyard Killing ...setting is Martha's Vineyard where this author now lives, according to the book jacket. It was ok...fairly predictable, etc., but a nice light read.

'A Vineyard Killing' is the 14th in the series about J. W. Jackson, and I loved everyone of them, Jane. They are definitely worth reading in order, the first being 'A Beautiful Place To Die' written in 1989.

I just finished listening to 'The Bone Collector' by Jeffery Deaver. Different from any I have read before with lots of historical interest in Old New York. It has a killer who was a totally unsuspected mad person, a paraplegic detective and a rookie cop who becomes his eyes and legs. Fascinating.

Perkie.. Hah.. Having two corgi to walk, I had better not forget the walking thing. Actually its impossible, when each time you take a deep breath, both dogs get up and race for the door. Corgi are not a patient sweet breed, although I adore ours. McCrumb.. The ballads are not exactly detective stories ever. They are an inbetween sort of place and I dont blame her for being protective of it. I am reading a Rochelle Krich, but not enjoying it as much as I hoped. I though she was more like Kellerman but the answer is no..This one is a very slow starter.

I saw the movie version of "The Bone Collector", and found it very good. Denzel Washington was the paraplegic detective, and he is always good.

I do want to get into McCrumb. Her books sound like everything I most enjoy, all rolled into one. ...Babi

Thanks for that very interesting site on McCrumb's latest book, jeanlock. I'm going to post it in The Library as well since some interest in this book was shown there.

I had heard that The Bone Collector was a particularly graphic and gruesome tale... did you all think so?

I agree with you that Corgis are not patient, Stephanie. I have also found them to be master manipulators! Are you a member of Corgi-L? You won't find anyone there who would disagree with you.

Yes, Jeryn, I did find 'The Bone Collector' to be very graphic and gruesome. But it was so far out of my realm of experience that I was able to keep it inside the story. The tension and the excellent characters and settings kept me glued to the tape recorder and I found myself cleaning up things in the kitchen that didn't need it just to have an excuse to stay in there and listen!

For readers who also like to go to thrift stores and flea markets looking for the bargain that would be worthy of Antiques Roadshow, you might enjoy 'Killer Stuff' by Sharon Fiffer. The main character, Jane Wheel, is a picker, one who goes to estate sales and garage sales to find things for her clients, and herself, and finds bodies as well. It is fairly light and has a lot of funny lines.

"I thought fondue pots were back in," Jane said, ...

(Reply from fellow picker, Tim): "For a minute. During that minute we bought all we ever needed at one rummage sale. They're like rabbits, those things. Put two on a shelf, turn out the lights, come back in five days, there are seven."

I read "Killer Stuff" and enjoyed it. I bought it for a friend who is a collector, but read it myself instead. I am now looking for the 2nd in the series. A change from some of the more "realistic" books.

N

That sounds like a lot of fun... Killer Stuff... for the bargain hunter in us all!

I finally finished The Secret House of Death by Ruth Rendell. A rather well-done switcheroo of an ending but kind of tedious getting there. Also took me longer to get through since I'm reading two other books at the same time... not mysteries.

Oh boy! Now I can start that Edgar Wallace...

I finally finished it last night. And thought it most interesting. I lived in East Tenn. for a year back in the late 40's, and so much of what she includes in the book rings true. I had heard about the fact that some Tennesseans fought for the Union, but didn't ever think about the mountain warfare described in this book. I especially liked the writing style that incorporated many of their ways of speaking.

I still remember my sister-in-law telling me a story of how her sister had thrown a butcher knife at her, and Stella said, "And there come that ole knife just a-swappin ends...." It still gives me a chuckle. Fortunately I guess it missed its mark.

I just wish I had known and understood more about that part of the country then. At the time, I was a Yankee, used to all modern conveniences and it was such a shock to find myself cooking on a coal stove, and traipsing out to the 'convenience'; and for the first few months, we didn't even have any electricity. No lights on the Christmas tree, no radio with Christmas carols. Ironically, they installed the electricity the day AFTER Christmas! I never had a chance to put it in perspective. Wish I could have read something like the McCrumb book then. Might have understood my in-laws better.

Killer Stuff sounds like a winner. We are having a garage sale for the next two days and they are right. I found three fondue pots in my cupboard and I could have sworn I only had one.. Go cups are just as bad. We live where it is hot and so we are always carrying liquids in the car.. But darned if I know why I keep accumulating them. I am reading "Drowning Ruth", but even though the cover talks of it being a mystery, it is not thus far.

jeanlock, your post fascinated me! For various reasons...

First: my father, who was an expert on The Civil War, wrote at least one article for the Knoxville Journal about how the war was viewed and fought in East Tennessee, Knoxville in particular. There's an old battlefield there. I don't remember the details, except that much of that part of Tennessee had union sympathies and often fought on the side of the north.

Second: I too lived in East Tennessee for five years beginning in 1948! Only lived in Knoxville though, where we had the modern conveniences. I had some country friends, however, that did not! That whole experience was such a cultural shock to this midwestern girl - I was in my teens at the time. What part of East Tenn did you live in?

Stephanie, I read Drowning Ruth... not really a mystery but lots of mood, even sort of Gothic. When you've finished, let's hear how it struck you.

I've begun my Edgar Wallace, a rather skinny old paperback called The Four Just Men.

I'm reading the new to me Coffin in the Museum of Crime by Gwendoline Butler. The cover says it is a John Coffin mystery and evidently there is a series featuring this British police detective. I'm about halfway into the book, so far so good. Sue

SHaron Fiffer - Killer Stuff

Sharon Fiffer - Killer Stuff;

I just got "Killer Stuff" and am enjoying it.... I hope there are lots more by her. Being a nut about old stuff like Bakelite and Pyrex baking dishes, this warms the "cockles" and it has some spice too. isak

Jeryn--

We were just outside of Kingsport. Used to drive to Bristol on Sunday to go to the movies. Why? Because it's Bristol VA/TENN, and movies were not allowed in Tenn. on Sunday, so we had to go to the theater on the Virginia side of the street. The main street was the dividing line between the two states.

To this midwesterner (Ohio), culture shock was certainly the name of the game. I was in a daze much of the time. Don't know whether I said it before, but I finally told my husband that if we were going to be poor, I wanted to go back to where poor people had bathrooms. And so we did.

Ah Jeanlock.. In the late 50's, my husband was unexpectedly drafted. We ended up for two years in Columbia, SC.. It was a small town at that point and extremely southern. Our first apartment had no heat.. was in an old house and the landlady was startled when we moved out.. She said no one had ever complained about the heat before.. She recommended another blanket.. I worked as a bookkeeper in a Bowling Alley/ entertainment complex.. People kept drinking something clear out of bottles. I was told that it was shine.. And sure enough it was an incredibly strong sort of liquid.. Whew..I came from Delaware and while that was not northern by their standards, by South Carolina Standards, it was. Getting on with Killing Ruth. The plot is twisting and turning.. Sort of fun in a way.

Stephanie--

I trust that by this time you know it was moonshine.

My parents came to visit (and had the good sense to put up at a hotel in Kingsport but even that wasn't much) and they were really shocked to see how I was living. It was a brand new house, but didn't have running water, heat, a bathroom, or electricity. They bought me some lineoleum for the floors. I did survive, and did learn to live with things cooked in a coalstove oven--burned on the outside, raw on the inside. Chopped up coal for the stove and the heater.

I do hope that anyone who reads Ghostriders will let me know how they like it.

John just finished Ghostriders, and seemed to be going slowly at first. He mentioned once that he hoped she (McCrumb) finally tied all the stories together. Then he reached a point where he couldn't put it down. And he has ordered from amazon another book, "Bushwhackers", which McCrumb mentions as one of her best sources of information. Obviously, he really liked it. Now, it's my turn! It's due back at the library on Tuesday, so I'll have to get it done over the weekend. 8^) Can't wait!

We had the opportunity to hear Sharyn McCrumb speak at a nearby community college when she was touring to promote "The Songcatcher". She's a fascinating woman, and it was a great evening. John went reluctantly - because I said I was going with or without him - and then said he was so glad he had gone!

Oh, good, a new Ruth Rendell. I'm sorry the story is tedious, Jeryn. Her books are reading more and more like psychological case histories, but I find that interesting. A hold-over from my college psychology classes. My children told me that they were glad I went back to school after they were older and didn't have to subjects for my classes!

I am not familiar with "Drowning Ruth", Stephanie. Let us know if it ever turns into a mystery.

Coffin sounds like a good name for a mystery story detective, Sue. I will have to look him up.

I remember driving through Illinois in the late '40's and counting the number of outhouses in the small towns we drove through. In the early 40's, my grandfather, who lived in Pana, Illinois, had sewage down his street, so had installed an inside bathroom, but the water lines had not reached him and so we filled buckets of water from the pump in the kitchen, there was a cistern under the kitchen, and filled the toilet tank with them. We had baths in galvanized tubs in the kitchen, which I thought was exciting since I didn't have to heat the water or dump the used water.

I didn't like "Ghost Riders" as much at the earlier ones because it didn't have a large enough part for Nora Bonesteel. "She Walks These Hills" was probably my favorite, although "The Rosewood Casket" and "The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" are close seconds.

I don't think "Mystic River" is classed as a mystery even though it has a murder in it. I find it riveting as psychological fiction, but I don't think I will see the movie. I didn't understand when my mother said that she could read some books but didn't want to see the play or movie because that made it too real. Now I understand!

Stephanie, I am surprised that you thought Columbia, SC, was so provincial in the late '50s. I attended the University there, graduating in 1958. There was also a Methodist college, Columbia College. Columbia is the state capital, has many wealthy people and had nice department stores and restaurants downtown during that period. My uncle was the local Chevy dealer, the largest in the Southeast. The public library was great, too, and there were 2 wonderful libraries on the USC campus. Was your husband stationed at Ft. Jackson? Maybe you got into a poor section of Columbia. There were many lovely homes there, near Five Points, the lakes, and even in the area of the University. Maybe your landlady was a poor old widow who had fallen on hard times. It sounds like the perfect setting for a murder mystery! Sue

Sue,, I worked right downtown in Columbia and lived on Earlewood Drive after the first landlady. That apartment was at five points. Yes, I knew about Columbia College for Women and helped with a production of Gilbert and Sullivan for them. But Columbia along with being the capitol was also a funny little town in so many ways. At Christmas, you could look down the street and see cars with no license plates, held together with rope coming into town to see the Christmas lights. Moonshine was sold fairly openly, but then you could not buy a mixed drink in a restaurant either. I liked the town in the end, but it was a difficult place to be for a northener who was not used to being told of her many sins.. I also still hate OKRA.. I worked for Star Lanes, which was owned by several men who owned Theatres, Bowling Lanes and some other entertainment venues. An interesting job, but I got paid a whole 1.00 an hour and that was a real blow. I had made double that in Delaware before having to move to Columbia. Still I also paid only 48.00 a month for our two bedroom garage apartment.

Stephanie, it is an intriguing setting for a story. The combination of modern and dated scenarios holds its own fascination, doesn't it? And $48./mo. apartments convey solid nostalgia to me! ...Babi

Just finished In the Still of the Night by Jill Churchill. I am so glad someone recommended the Grace and Favor series.

I'm in the middle of Andrew Greeley's The Bishop goes to The University . It's a Bishop "Blackie" one, of course. I think it's a bit better than some of the others I've read.

Stephanie, thanks for the rest of the story. I guess I would make a very poor detective as I certainly missed the negative aspects of Columbia. It's one of my favorite places, never heard of the bowling alley, either. Perhaps you could write a good mystery about the moonshine and junky cars. BTW, I worked at both libraries at Carolina for 65 cents per hour!

I just dug into my late husband's mystery collection and am going to start Frances Fyfield's Shadow Play. Is anyone familiar with this author. It just happened to be on the top of a pile of bagged books he had in a closet. The cover said it should appeal to fans of Ruth Rendell and P.D. James. I like both of those mystery writers. Sue

I finished the rather concise Four Just Men by Edgar Wallace today. He doesn't dally around with this meager plot... it's a short book! It seems far-fetched and dated now but doubtless thrilled readers at the turn of the century! I'm glad I read it just for that aspect... this author deserves a place in the history of the detective novel.

I hate okra too! Must be a by-product of northeners living in the south? Yet I learned to love grits... maybe it's because okra isn't really food?

You just have to be raised with Okra, I guess, Jeryn. It's one of my favorites. Sue

P.S. Now that made me think of a futuristic mystery, The Obscure Okra Murders. Aliens found dead from ingesting okra. Any writers in this discussion?

<LOL> Don't get me started! Eewwww, the possibilities!

Now, ladies, of course it's food. You just haven't tasted a properly prepared, cornmeal coated batch of fried okra. I've known other people who thought they hated okra, until they walked in, smelled something delicious cooking, and decided to give it a try.

Now, my Southern raised daughter doesn't eat it either, but then she doesn't eat a lot of scrumptious vegetables. It is unfortunate that so much of Southern country cooking involves a frying pan. It tastes wonderful, but.... (I could have put two t's on that last word, but tastefully refrained.) ...Babi

So that made two of us, BaBi... tastefully refraining! <LOL>

I said I liked grits but forgot to mention... hold the butter; add raisins, sugar, and milk. Mmmmm, even better than Cream of Wheat! I never saw it served that way down south.

Started a new mystery last night... an old Ngaio Marsh called When in Rome. I'm working on my stash and trying to downsize it! When I finish one of these old mysteries, it goes in a bag for the library store.

Jeryn, what a travesty to grits! Actually years ago when we were in college at the U. of South Carolina, my husband had a fraternity brother who did the very same thing. He couldn't help it, though, he was from New Jersey! I must say we grits lovers could easily have murdered him as we saw the way he murdered the grits! Let's see, Murder by Grits, hmmm, maybe could be worked into a great mystery. Sue

Did you know you can't even BUY grits in the northern cities? At least, I've never seen any. How do y'all eat Cream of Wheat then? Murder it with butter? <LOL>

P.S. I'm not from New Jersey... just a midwestern girl: born in Indiana, raised in Illinois, spent all my adult life till last month in Ohio. I wasn't born here but I got to Oregon as quick as I could...

Sure you can, Jeryn! I've seen grits in grocery stores here in Iowa. I have this feeling you really weren't LOOKING for them in Ohio!! hahaha!

The grits should be right up there by the oatmeal. As for the Cream of Wheat, I prefer brown sugar on that. I wee dab of butter on that or on the Malt-O-Meal does enhance the flavor. I have a title for your book, Sue. How about "Creamed in the Wheat"? Farm setting, of course. <bg>

I wish I could I could find some more Ngaio Marsh books. I've only been able to find about four of them and I know she wrote a lot more than that. ...Babi

Well, I put butter and sugar on my grits (and Malt-o-Meal). I think it's a question of whatever you like (which is usually what you grew up eating). My family puts sugar in cornbread, too, but a lot of southern cooks leave it out. It's like sprinkling a bit of sugar (along with salt) on boiled cabbage. Makes a whale of a difference in the taste. I always add sugar to any recipe with tomato in it. And, I sprinkle sugar and salt on fresh sliced tomatoes. Now, we're not talking abut a LOT of sugar. Just a tad will do the trick. I don't like fried green tomatoes unless they have been marinated in a sugar/salt solution for at least an hour. Too sour (and bitter) otherwise. Fried okra? Food for the gods. It's too bad that lots of folks don't know how to buy okra. Dishonest veggie sellers will sell you okra that is past its prime, or okra that is too large (5 inches in length is best). "Murder at Farmer's Market"

Howzat

It sounds as if we have enough ideas here for a Baker's dozen mysteries involving food. Now if I could just plot it out and get published. Next step, my name as Master Mystery Writer! LOL. Sue

Gawrsh, when I get through reading the posts in here these days, my mouth is watering [I skipped over the reference to okra]! <BG>

You may be right, Jane... I have to admit that buying some grits would be a low priority with me. I don't even eat Cream of Wheat [Creamed in the Wheat? groan] anymore as I've been on this oatmeal kick for several years.

howzat, I definitely agree that a pinch of sugar helps lots of things --not just the medicine going down, either! I too, put some in spaghetti sauce and cornbread. Never thought about boiled cabbage but sounds good. I rarely cook cabbage except with corned beef; I think the flavorings they put in the corned beef might include a bit of sugar?

Say, Babi, I have a short stack of old Ngaio Marsh paperbacks which I'm slowly working my way through. I'd be glad to send them to you as I finish them if you'll email me your snail mail address [you can find my address in the heading - just click on my name]. The one I'm reading now is starting off well. First one I've read in a while. Sorry, I gave several away before we moved because I'd already read them.

I'm ready, Sue! Now you must get to work...

I usaually eat mine with milk and sliced banana--no sugar. But my dad always turned his out on a plate, spread it with butter and salt. Found out later that sometimes Scottish people will eat it that way. Anyone here eat it like that?

Don't know why I am having a hard time with Ghost Riders, I normally like McCrumb. Maybe when I get past what old Zeb Vance has to say....

Speaking of oatmeal and Scotland...at our hotel in Edinburgh, there was a bottle of Scotch on the breakfast buffet...next to the oatmeal. One of our group tried it...a retired judge from Alabama who told my husband, when Ray asked him how it was...in a beautiful soft Southern drawl...

" Scotch did not improve the oatmeal and the oatmeal ruined the Scotch!"

Why, thank you kindly, Jeryn; I'd love to have them. I'll e-mail you with particulars. (Personally, I thought "Creamed in the Wheat" deserved a bigger groan than that. :>)

Phyll, I have eaten oatmeal with butter and salt on occasion, simply because I was in the mood for 'buttery,salty' that morning. Most any cereal grain can be eaten either way.

Do you suppose the Scotch was really intended for the oatmeal? Never heard of that before. The Alabama judge rendered an excellent opinion on that one! ..Babi

Yes, Babi, that's what we were told when we inquired...and it was right by the oatmeal tureen. The bottle didn't have much left in it, so I guess somebody was having it for breakfast....either with or without the oatmeal.

OH,HO! A discreet way of offering the breakfast of choice, perhaps. :>)

I like grits, but want pepper and hot sauce on them and a little grated cheese.. Yum. We are going better than many of the cooking mysteries. It is a mystery to me that they all are into butter, cream, etc. and never good everyday foods. The late Virginia Rich did every day foods very nicely indeed.

That's exactly the way I like it, Phyll, with the addition of a small handful of raisins. Maybe a sprinkle of cinnamon sugar if I feel frisky. I could never start off the day with salty/buttery...

Ohhh, Jane, that is so funny... and so Scottish sounding! Scotch and oatmeal! Which reminds me... we found several kinds of oatmeal in bulk available here, Scottish among them. Can anyone tell me how Scottish oatmeal is different from regular oatmeal?

I answered your email, Babi, and as for the "Creamed in the Wheat"...[GROAN!] is that better? It's every bit as good a title as half the forced puns you see on the shelves these days!

Ah, Stephanie... I could eat most anything if it had grated Parmesan cheese on it! <BG>

Speaking of which, I'm devasted that I cannot find any here in Portland that doesn't have CELLULOSE ADDED "to prevent caking". We used to buy it from a specialty store back in Akron; it was freshly grated and had no cellulose. Can't find any here and I REFUSE to eat cellulose; besides it doesn't taste as good. I guess I'm going to have to take up grating my own? Or buying shredded which is good but not as convenient.

I was curious also so I went looking for an answer and found this on the HGTV web site.

Most commercial oats are rolled. The oats are cleaned, toasted and hulled, then pressed through rollers to flatten them. Irish oats contain steel-cut oats that have not been rolled and flattened. Irish or Scotch oats are available at most health-food stores.

Mary

Jeryn tried to send you a e-mail but can't find your address. Can you remember where the person gave out the url for The Mystic Unicorn used on-line bookstore??

Thanks

Grate your own.. Tastes much much better.. If you want to be fancy.. use one of those electric graters that the chi chi restaurants are using now. Just started the new Scott Turow.."Reversible errors" . I know its old, but new in paperback. I like him. He pulls you right in from page one.

The next time you are feeling frisky, Jeryn sprinkle a few craisins on your oatmeal instead of raisins. They'll perk up your taste buds and healthy for you. And Stephanie is so right. Grate your own parmesan. It is a 1000% better than the already grated stuff. I have a little Zyliss that I've had for years.

Thanks so much for that scientific explanation of Scottish oatmeal, Mary. I think I'll have to try some.

Here you go, Judy... A Mystical Unicorn - Online Used Bookstore Is that what you wanted?

I've had a Zyliss for several years but I guess I'm plain lazy! I know it tastes better, Stephanie. And I was happy to pay for it at this specialty grocery in Cuyahoga Falls. Now that Amish specialty grocers are a thing of my past, I guess I'll have to take up grating again, snif!

I read Reversible Errors last spring during our exploratory trip to Oregon... it was pretty good.

Yesssss, Phyll, I dote also on Craisins and dried date bits, often adding them to the oatmeal for variety. This morning I gorged on raisins AND dates! [Fris-KY!] Walnuts or sliced almonds are good too.

Actually I am not sure if I should post this or not but here goes------------------I went to that site of Mystical Unicorn and it was great, found 4 books I wanted and ordered them with out a hitch and the postage was very reasonable, delivery good ------- I didn't know this was possible but those books smell so bad of cigarette smoke it is literally overwhelming. I have them out in the garage now but am not sure if I am ever going to be able to bring them in much less read them. I friend at dinner tonight suggested that I contact the library and see if they knew how to get the smell out as they may have to deal with that regularly. I am very disappointed over the whole thing.

Well, I for one appreciate you telling us that, Judy. I don't think there's a problem. I'll be doubly appreciative to hear if there's a simple way to get rid of the odor. I hate it too but it's the occasional book from the public library, I've found, that will carry that stench! Good luck.

If they don't air out a bit in your garage shortly, why don't you just send them back, ask for a refund?

Jeryn and Judy: There are a couple "remedies" librarians have used to get rid of smoke from books.

Put the book in a plastic bag with baking soda (like you use in your refrig or freezer for odors) and see if that will help to pull the odor out. Others have tried using various "odor eliminators"/room freshners...again in a plastic bag. You may need to let it air out then after removing it from the bag.

Believe it or not, my father used to cut up pickles on his oatmeal. I don't recommend it (Pickled to Death?).

Why do food mysteries emphasize fat? I like Davidson but feel I gain five pounds just from reading her. It was also a bit much in the book (I forget which one) where they are fleeing from the baddies, stop in a cabin they pass, fix a gourmet meal (she happens to have brought eggs with her to flee with) and then go on fleeing. We are supposed to suspend disbelief, but come on!

Ewwwwwwww...pickles,I love....but I don't think so in oatmeal! ;0)

You could also try cat litter. Put the books and a generous amount of cat litter in a plastic bag or plastic garbage bag so that it can be closed tight and leave them for a few days. If litter can remove cat smell it ought to take away the smell of smoke, wouldn't you think? Hope it works for you.

Thanks for all the hints believe me I am going to try them because I really want to read them.

I did a quick count of Ngaio Marsh titles in my local library, BaBi, and found 36. She died in 1982, so it is not surprising that her books are getting harder to find. They are so good, I hope they will be reprinted.

I found this on the internet, Judy: "On a small scale many odors can be removed by simply placing the material into an airtight container with baking soda or charcoal for a few days. This treatment however, does not work for all odors." and a commercial product: http://www.quitsmoking.com/kleen/index.htm

When I was growing up in Maryland, the cornbread for the dogs had no sugar in it and the cornbread for people did. When I moved to Atlanta and discovered that the Southerners ate 'dogs' cornbread' without sugar, I was shocked. Okra is not only good fried, but Brunswick Stew would not be the same without okra in it, and grits with butter and salt and served as a side with fried ham is as good as it gets. When my nephew was 5, and found out during a visit that I had no grits in the house, he was stunned. I had shaken his world. He didn't know one could run out of grits! Winn Dixie in Atlanta had a whole section of grits in varied flavors. Wish I could remember some of them, but I was so surprised that I could just stand and stare.

I have just discovered Susan Rogers Cooper. I read the latest one, 'Lying Wonders'. The sheriff is Milt Kovak and the setting is Prophesy County, Oklahoma, and the theme is a cult that has moved into a corner of the county. The writing grabbed my interest and held it all the way through.

Cornbread for dogs? Really???

I'm a dog lover, share mine with Stubby, and never, ever, put sugar in my cornbread!

Thanks for all the tips on removing smoke smell from books. I took over the treasurer's job for my church circle when a member passed away. That was 2 years ago and the check book and treasurer's record still reek. I can hardly stand to reconcile the checks. I keep these things shut up in a plastic box. That's probably kept the smell in. I'm going to try some of the remedies above. Sue

Thanks for the good remedies for smoke odor, Jane, Phyll, and Perkie. Do let us know what works best, Judy... sure hope something helps.

Maybe you can try something with the checkbook too, SCSue, and let us know.

JoanK, your father must have truly doted on pickles! I'm afraid a mystery that far-fetched would squelch my credibility to the breaking point. I'd toss that one!

I'll eat cornbread ANY ol' way; love the stuff. But my husband's recipe, made from scratch with yellow cornmeal, olive oil, and a pinch of sugar is the favorite... not too greasy. Do you s'pose thats what the dogs like?

Happy day for me as I finally found time to go to the local public library for the first time to check out some books. I brought home three mysteries and a knitting book! Riches!! Two of the mysteries were recommended in this forum. One by J.A.Jance featuring Beaumont, the Seattle detective and the other, Every Crooked Nanny. The third is a totally random pick off the shelf; I'll report back if it's any good.

Hey, before we drop the subject of oatmeal, I have made a discovery... new to me, at least. You can treat 1-minute, quick cooking oatmeal the same way as instant oatmeal. Put a half cup of 1-minute oatmeal [or however much you want] in a bowl and pour bowling water over it, stirring until desired consistency is reached. Stir in a wee pinch of salt as well. Let it sit a minute and it's ready to eat! No need to dirty a pan or worry about boiling over in the nuker!

Ah, but the slow cooking stuff is better for you.

I'm trying to get through all the Joanna Brady books then I guess I'll have to start on the Beaumont ones so I can read the one that combines them both.

Mary

I have always fed cornbread to dogs. They love it. Crumble up some in a dog bowl and pour warmed up chicken stock ( or bean juice, or pot likker from cooking greens) or whatever over it, stir and put on the floor. First timers might do a bit of sniffing and smelling first, but I guarantee dogs will eat it right up. I had a black lab who loved all "people" food but green peas. He could wade through a whole bowl of mixed leftovers and leave the bowl clean except for how ever many peas had been included. (^:^) The Mystery of The Dog Who Hated Peas.

Howzat

Does anyone know the writing of Philippe Van Rjndt? I've just finished reading his Samaritan, which is real thriller with many twists and turns. It involves the Kremlin, the Vatican, Poland, and the U. S. because of a famous neurosurgeon. The C.I.A. sent him to operate on the Russian premier, he's kidnapped to operate on a Polish priest--and the story snowballs from there. This book was published in 1983. The cover says Van Rjndt is also the author of The Tetramachus Collection. I'd like to read that based on my enjoyment of this thriller. Sue

Having two corgi.. Corgi will literally eat anything.. But dont forget that cornbread will likely add a tad of weight to the ribs.. Mine stay on the famous string bean diet.. Good for them and keeps them looking very trim indeed. Finished the Turow book. Not sure I liked this one..

on Sharon McCrumb's Ghost Riders. I just couldn't get into it. I didn't like the format. Too much jumping back and forth in time and between characters. Never could get any thread of continuity going with it. Maybe I'll try again someday because she is one of my favorite authors and I recognize the places she writes about in western NC.

We used to have a little mini-dachshund who would eat nearly everything, too, except he hated olives. It wasn't that he avoided them--he felt he had to kill them! He would jump on them and roll on them and make sure they were really dead! Funny to watch.

Mary, you are probably right but why is that? WHY is the 5-minute cooked oatmeal better for you than instant? [I like and use both, actually]

Aw shucks, go for it. I'd never read anything by J.A.Jance but I read the recent Partner in Crime and enjoyed it very much! Now I'll sample some earlier ones.

Howzat, your Dog Who Hated Peas is like the cat who eats his food, carefully leaving behind the pill you had embedded so carefully! The Incredible Reappearing Capsule!

SCSue, Stephanie, thanks for the reviews!

I was somewhat disappointed in the last McCrumb book... something about a singer, Phyll. At your reaction, I think I'll allow myself to skip this one. I too, enjoyed some of her earlier books a lot.

Phyll--

Sorry you gave up on Ghost Riders. It does all come together at the end. I enjoyed the writing, and the real sense of 'being there' for that aspect of the Civil War which I hadn't really appreciated before. I must confess that I read many books chiefly BECAUSE I like the ambience, and don't really care too much about the story. To me it's a way for me to 'be' somewhere I'd much rather be than here.

JEANLOCK, I understand the feeling of being 'elsewhere' while reading a book, it's what makes reading so refreshing. Still, the Civil War was a terrible time to live through. I guess you could say it's a change from today's worries.

One of the reasons I dislike it when a book insists, for example, on being overly explicit about what the 18th century streets of London were really like, is that is disturbs my escapism mightily. ..Babi

You have The Dog Who Hated Peas, Howzat, and we have The Corgi Who Hates Rice. When she had a stomach upset, we cooked some rice and then stirred some into a scrambled egg. She sucked the egg off of the rice grains and spit them on the floor, leaving a wreath of white around her bowl! Now we use cream of rice, but not too much.

I have mixed feelings about 'Blue' by Abigail Padgett. I had some trouble getting into it, but then got caught up in the many seemingly unrelated threads and the way she pulled them together gradually to a conhesive whole at the end. I was disappointed in the main character, Blue McCarron, who constantly missed clues that slap the reader in the face. Maybe being there didn't help!

Babi--

After I began to read British mysteries circa Agatha Christie et al, I found myself looking forward to the point in the day when I could shuffle off the coil of my daily problems and escape to England. And I did read them all: Christie, Sayers, Marsh, etc. And when I finally did get to England (Cambridge, no less) I found it almost exactly as depicted in the books.

Especially when as the houseguest of a couple who lived near Brighton Joan asked me if I'd be upset that she had promised to judge the baking at the village fair the next day. Upset? I was thrilled. And it WAS just like the village fairs in the books I'd read. I'll have to dig out the pictures and also the ones of me punting on the Cam.

There wasn't anything that disappointed me. And when I came home I felt as tho I had finally scratched an itch that had bothered me all my life. As a descendant of Scottish and English forbears, I think I was really intended to be British. And when I win the lottery, I'm going to buy a flat in London and move.

Some interesting comments on WHY we read... escape? change of ambiance? pastime? entertainment? thirst for knowledge? at one time or another, I plead guilty to "all the above"!

Perkie, I'm LOL at your Corgi! She wins the eating avoidance contest story for this week, for sure. Spitting out grains of rice! What a hoot!!

jeanlock, how eloquent an account of your love affair with all things British! I admire such ambition and if I were the salesman, I'd make sure you got that winning lottery ticket! Good luck with your surgery...

Jeryn--

Thanks. I'm off any minute.

This is on one of the Dental Clinics sign boards here: "Reading a book is like living another life."

It sounds as if a lot of us would agree.

One of my best memories, Jeanlock...my one and only visit overseas..two weeks in London (with one weekend in Paris). I remember the Tate, the old shops on an old street, the odd little corners, nooks and squares. The bus trip to Stratford-on-Avon, with lunch in a pub, complete with grilled lamb and gooseberry tart. But I think my favorite memory is the London cabbie who picked me up and handed me into the cab with a "There you go, luv." (sigh I wanna go again! ...Babi

Babi--

When I win the lottery, want to share my flat? I love company and another anglophile would be WONDERFUL! I really didn't have a chance to explore London. The entire 3 weeks was at Cambridge and I did have the chance to experience living as a Cambridge student which was worth a lot.

The bus did pass Westminister Abby and Parliament, and coming back I recognized Trafalger square, and St. Martin's in the Fields because I knew about them. Ditto Cheyne Walk.

Cornbread for dogs. Sure! They are called hush puppies. In the olden days they fried up cornbread balls. They would toss some to the dogs who were getting in the way and say "hush puppy!" They serve them in the Picadilly Cafeterias because humans like them too. They taste as though they have onion in them.

There are two schools of hushpuppies - those who like them with onions, and those who like them with a bit of sugar. Myself - I can't imagine having them with sugar.

But a meal to die for is fried cat-fish filets, cole slaw, and hushpuppies (with onions, of course). I never eat anything fried - except for this particular meal.

mary Z., That's food for the gods!

Cholesterol city, girls! But I understand; though I've been brainwashed to be in horror of fats, I just gotta have a fried shrimp dinner once in a while. Gulp!

London or Paris? Both so wonderful in their ways with a slight lean towards London because they speak our language [almost] and they're just so darn friendly! We had a lovely three WEEKS in Paris [on our own] in 1994, only one week in London - 1983 - after a 17-day tour of Great Britain.

THREE WEEKS at Cambridge sounds so wonderful! On our tour, we were allowed one day there <sigh>.

So THAT'S why they're called Hush Puppies!

Jeryn,

I went as part of a 3-week seminar on the early Victorians. We had lectures on the literature, architecture, etc. of the period, in real Cambridge classrooms, and frequented both the campus pub as well as the Spade and Bucket down by the river. One of our group became ill and was thus introduced to the wonderful British health system.

London.. Oh my great desire in life is a tiny little flat there. My husband and I both love it. London is a truly great city. I would move into the British Museum if I could figure out how. Paris is fine, but to live.. London is the place to be.. I want to go back to England sometime when the big Flower show is on. Supposed to be a very special time.

Stephanie, if you plan to go to London during the flower show and need a traveling companion, please ask me. Last year I flew to London by myself for 10 days in England and had a great time, but prices are less if one travels with a friend. Sue

Jeanlock, I'll start packing the minute you call!

I once thought winters in England would be much too damp and cold, and perhaps outside the city they may be. But I was in London in January, if you can imagine, warmly dressed, and perfectly comfortable. Perhaps the weather was being esp. nice for me, but I don't remember much rain while I was there. Perhaps being in the city cuts down on the wind and the chill factor.

Never mind horses! If wishes were plane tickets, now...! ..Babi

Oh boy! We're all moving to London! [in our dreams...]

Your seminar at Cambridge was an opportunity of a lifetime, jeanlock! How you must cherish the memory of that unusual experience! How did it happen that such a marveous chance was available to you?

I can just imagine that a British flower show would be pretty fantastic! What time of year do they do that? I'd guess, "spring"?

Stephanie--

You need to see the movie, Greenfingers. I've talked about it in the movie section. You can probably get a review on Google. Anyway, the last part of it shows some of the garden show at Hampton Gardens. I really enjoyed it because it was what I call a 'feel good' movie, and I felt REALLY good at the end. Also has Helen Mirren.

Jeryn-

I was taking a course through the Humanities Inst. assoc. with Johns Hopkins. And it was a summer travel seminar. You know, I have friends who have been to all the standard tourist places, Italy, France, Greece, etc., but my travels took me to the Far East, Indonesia, Bali, Hong Kong, Tokyo, etc. And I lived near several major cities in the US. Now when I watch the news a lot of it is about those places.

I saw "Greenfingers" also, and I agree it is a thoroughly enjoyable, feel good movie. ..Babi

Folks, the Sherlock Holmes short story "The Boscombe Valley Mystery" by A Conan Doyle is now a Proposed Discussion. All Sherlock fans are invited to express their interest in discussing this story. It can be read on line by clicking on The Complete Sherlock Holmes found in the heading, or you can follow along from your book. Here's a link
The Boscombe Valley Mystery

Bill H

One of the things I missed when I moved to California from Atlanta was catfish and hushpuppies. I tried making them, but the catfish tasted like mud. Obviously they didn't have their systems cleared out in clear water before cleaning. Yuk. Now when I visit relatives in Georgia, the first place I want to head is to the all-you-can eat catfish and hush puppies place. Here is one recipe, if anyone wants to see how they are made. http://www.kountrylife.com/content/rec9.htm

My library has a DVD copy of 'Greenfingers'. Now as soon as I figure out how to set up my new DVD player ...

I plugged through the first third of 'The Titian Committee' before I finally got caught up in the story. I wanted to persevere because it is set in Venice and I was loving the descriptions of the city. The author, Iain Pears, has a doctorate in art history from Oxford, which explains why it seemed so pedantic. The ending is not cut and dried, partly because of the jockeying for position by the different police and political departments involved. Anyone else have a different perspective on it?

I am working on Mystic River and entranced. It is not actually a mystery, although there is a murder.. Excellent book thus far and there is talk about a discussion of it in Fiction. I am all for it.

According to some reading i am doing lately there are those who believe that fats are not necessarily the offenders to our attempts at keeping fit. They want to distinquish between good and bad fats and go a little lower on the carbohydrates. Now isn't that a revolutionary mystery?

HE'S BACK!!! SN bumped this poster of this same disgusting sounding book last year. Who do we complain to about this? ...Babi

His posts have been removed, Babi, at the direction of Marcie, SeniorNet's Director of Education, they do not conform to SeniorNet's Policies, which he has been informed of, several times. Thanks,

ginny

I am completely in the dark, Babi and Ginny. What poster? What disgusting sounding book ?

I recorded 'Coyote Waits' on Mystery! last week and finally got around to watching it today. It is essentially well done. I think Adam Beach makes an excellent Jim Chee. I don't think Wes Studi was well directed as Joe Leaphorn, but I have thought that in other Tony Hillerman movies on Mystery! He should be more concerned with patterns. As we watched, I did a running commentary on the changes made in the screenplay, such as having Delbert Nez asking Chee for backup, using the girl Taka liked as the clerk at Red Rock, taking Slick Nakai from another story and using him as a minor character, making John McGinnis into a bad guy, bringing Emma back from the dead instead of introducing Professor Bourbonette, etc. The one that went totally over my head was the significance of Ashie Pinto's concho belt made of Bolivian silver coins instead of Mexican pesos until it was pointed out to me! In spite of my bitching, it was well done and I loved the scenery.

It wasn't the nature of the book, Perkie, but the violation of SeniorNet Policy in advertising and spamming the site to advertise his own book, Authors are permitted to advertise their own books in our Authors' Corner.

Oh you're another Hillerman fan, did you happen to see the PBS show the other week on the Hillerman mystery? I only saw a little bit but it seemed very well done.

ginny

I just finished Carolyn Hart's Letter from Home. It is one of the best books I have read in a long time. It is a standalone, not part of a series. It is sort of a coming of age book as well as a mystery. Has anyone else read it? Mary

Well, I completely missed the phantom spammer... could not get into Seniornet at all last night. Were there other problems?

Louise, the diet recommendations change nearly every time one picks up a newspaper these days! Common sense and exercise are still the best approach, IMO.

Perkie, you really know your Hillerman! I would never have spotted all those discrepancies but I do agree that Leaphorn just doesn't quite come off. Whereas Jim Chee definitely does. He has just the right qualities for the part. I really enjoyed both the episodes... last year's "Skinwalkers" and the recent "Coyote Waits". They are also doing "A Thief of Time" -- is it next week or next year? [next week, I hope!]

Thanks for that recommendation, Mary1607. Carolyn Hart has also done a series, I believe?

I'm sorry I missed the show about the Hillerman mystery, Ginny. I'll keep an eye out for the re-run.

Carolyn Hart has two series, Jeryn, Annie Darling and Henry O. Also another non-series book, "The Rich Die Young", which came out in 2000.

I was somewhat disappointed in 'The Owls of Gloucester', the 10th in Edward Marston's Domesday Books series. I think it is time to end the Commissions and let everyone go home. The conversations were clipped and tight-lipped, and that is not easy to do in print. The background of 11th century England under the rule of King William is interesting, but I am so tired of Lord Ralph's bristling and blustering. I want to tell him to grow up and behave himself. I like Gervaise Brett a lot and wish Marston would downplay Lord Ralph and give a larger role to Brett.