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Well, I knew my last post was 1000. So here I am again!

Thanks, Jane, for making this nice new "Mystery Corner" for us. Hard to believe how quickly the posts pile up!

Now, the most important thing, mystery lovers, is to BE SURE AND SUBSCRIBE to this new discussion so you don't miss out then have to run to catch up! There's a green "SUBSCRIBE" button at top and bottom of the messages - go do it right now before you forget!

I finished Every Crooked Nanny and found it entertaining and cute without being silly. I learned about it here and I'd recommend it too, definitely will look for some of Trocheck's sequels.

I've also been reading some old Ngaio Marsh mysteries... boy, some of those go waaay back! The one I just finished, A Man Lay Dead, was first published in 1934. Really old, oh yeah! That's the year I was born! <LOL>

Anyhow, Marsh's series with Detective Roderick Alleyn are a bit spotty but rarely fail to entertain. They remind me of Christie's Poirot series in some ways. Very much the traditional British "whodunit" we've come to know and love.

On the recommendation of readers here, I have picked up my first Kate Charles and Sharon McCrumb books from the library. It will take me a while to get them read. I have several books waiting, which is always fun. :>) ...Babi

Jeryn:--As your email address is not available, I am using this post to remind you of our old friend, Studs Terkel, whom we all met in Chicago. He is now 91 years old, he has just written a book, "Hope Dies Last," and I will be the Discussion Leader for a forum centering around this book. Please click HERE, take a look at the introductory paragraph, and you are most cordially invited to indicate your interest in participating. It is about Activism (the old Studs showing through -- remember the RED socks!!).

Robby

Studs Terkle is indeed a memorable person, Robby! Thanks for bringing the news... I'll make sure it gets announced in The Library as well.

I hope everyone will remember to look for my name IN THE HEADING of any discussion where I'm shown as D-L. THERE you will find my email address.

Sure has cut the SPAM!

I somehow missed the reference to 'Every Crooked Nanny', Jeryn, but will look up Trocheck now. Thanks.

Ah, Jeryn, you are just a spring chicken. I was a year old when 'A Man Lay Dead' was published. I used to work in a college library started by the Dominican Sisters. One Sister loved Ngaio Marsh as much as we did, and we had a complete run of her works. In fact, we probably had the most complete set of mystery authors of any small college library in the country!

And going back to early authors, I just re-read 'The Secret House of Death' by Ruth Rendell. It was copywrited in 1968, before she became so enamored with psychological themes, which I happen to love, and was much lighter and more fun. A good read.

I just finished Stuart Woods' new book, Capital Crimes. He does write a good yarn, and this was a fairly quick read.

I will look up that Rendell. I like her, but she tends to be dark nowadays.

Spring chicken? Moi? I think not, Perkie! But I am a year younger than you! <BG>

I read that very Rendell book not long ago, didn't really notice its age, but sort of thought it was a bit different for her. I have more of hers stashed to read... now I'll be checking the publication dates. Some of these authors who just keep writing and writing over the years do change, not necessarily for the better!

Babi... are you the-re?! I've sent you an email about those books you wanted. I hope it doesn't get lost in the SPAM!

How bad is SPAM these days? It has been one of the nicest things about moving and getting a new ISP... we've had NO SPAM at all for two months now! What a welcome relief.

I'm whipping right through a pleasant little caper I picked up at random from the Mystery shelves of our new library. It is light reading but holding my interest... The Gift Shop by Charlotte Armstrong. Has anyone else read her stuff?

Jeryn--

Regarding spam: Since the government has been making noises about controlling spam, I have had none of the offensive stuff I used to get. I had set up filters to filter out the really offensive stuff, but the system still put it in my 'deleted' file. And there's been none of that stuff; so, I removed the filters. Guess they got the word.

Those creeps haven't gotten the word here...still get 20 or more of them a day...and not to the email address I use here or use anywhere on the 'net. It's one that's on the account, however, and it's one they hit with a whole parade of every combination of letters. Proof to me it isn't where I register that's the problem or where I show my email..it's that that email is the main account one. Our sub-emails on that account are clear and have been. A lot of this seems to come from who knows where, so not sure what the US Gov't actions will have on foreign sources?

Got your e-mail this morning, JERYN. You should have gotten my reply now. And thanks again.

I've only got one e-mail address; probably couldn't keep track of multiple addresses. And I do get SPAM! My first task each time in is clearing off the junk.

Just for fun, my daughter and I have been following the Harry Potter series, tho' I don't suppose it could be called a mystery. And they are fun. I'm now reading #5. Shucks, I still enjoy a good Walt Disney film. ...Babi

Babi--

If you use Internet Outlook Express, you can set up filters to remove the stuff before you see it. As I say, I had set up a bunch, including a long list of senders whose mail I wouldn't accept. And it did work fine--with only a few problems. But in the last month, I haven't received a single one of the really offensive (to me, at least) ones.

My ISP finally put on a spam filtering company, Postini, and it has really cut down my spam. I still get one or two a day which I delete. I have Outlook Express as my major e-mail box and I'd tried the filter and also blocked senders, but it still got through in droves until we got the Message Center. I have to go there every day or two to delete it or sometimes find things that should be sent on to my box. This company also stops virus infected mail. Sue

The SPAM was terrible back in Ohio. Our ISP had "spam-buster" software but it either didn't work very well, or I never did get it set up very well, or both. <BG> I routinely deleted 40-120 unwanted messages Every Day. At least, I didn't have to load them into my computer... reviewed "at the office" and left them there in the ISP's trash bin.

Oh, Babi, I think we can call the Potter books suspense, even if not bona fide mysteries! I've read every one and loved them all. Hey, I had to make sure they were OK before giving to my grandson! <BBG>

I finished The Gift Shop by Charlotte Armstrong today. I'd definitely recommend it if you want a fast-moving, light-hearted read. And if you do read it, tell me what you think... wouldn't it make a cute movie?!

Charlotte Armstrong sounds familiar to me. What else has she written, Jeryn? I'll have to look in Bob's notebook of authors and titles to see if he might have had it here. Sue

Here's a list from the front of the book, SCSue:

 
The Gift Shop  [pub. 1966] 
I See You [short stories] 
Dream of Fair Woman 
The Turret Room 
The Witch's House 
A Little Less Than Kind 
The Unsuspected 
Mischief 
Catch As Catch Can 
Better to Eat You 
The Dream Walker 
A Dram of Poison 
The Albatross 
The Seventeen Widows of Sans Souci 
Duo

Charlotte Armstrong is fun to read. I pick her up whenever I find one I haven't read yet. ...Babi

Thanks, Jeryn. I've looked in Bob's book and under my section he has listed Charlotte Armstrong's The Turret Room. I don't remember reading it, but I may find it around here one day. I have one room in our barn (which is an apartment, actually) filled with books on every wall. Also have big brown grocery bags full in every closet in this house, plus some just sitting around! I read a lot, but this is overkill! Sue

Grocery bags full, Sue? Time for a barn book sale, girl! (So, where did you say you live?) ..<bg> Babi

I live in southeastern Alabama, Babi. My trouble is that when I don't have something new to read, I like to go over to the barn or start browsing in my closet bags for things to reread. I'm hoping to move (maybe) next year, so I really need to do something. I don't live near a post office or a place to get padded book bags, so I've never offered any on the Book Exchange. I mostly take them to the second hand book store and trade some in for more books! Sue

Sue,, I trade in my bags of books as well. However I just have had some out of town guests. One I really do not know well, she is a friend of a friend. She was looking for something to read and asked our friend if she had anything. I had two bags of books and audios for the second hand book store. I told her to go through and pick out what she wanted. It was like I gave her the greatest gift of all time. She spent the whole evening, reading book jackets and meeting some new authors. It was fun.. Maybe you have a friend or two who read?? You would be amazed at the reaction you will get by offering.

Our library has an annual book sale, which is a good place to unload a bunch of books. Most libraries do. I also take occasional books to the Senior Center bookshelves. And I wouldn't worry about padded book bags, Sue. Some of ship books wrapped in plain brown paper, or put heavier books in any shipping box that comes to hand. I'm sure any booklover will be perfectly happy to wait until you happen to be going near a post office.

You do want to clear out as much as possible before you move. Books are amazingly heavy, and if you have to pay a mover, remember they charge by weight!

I started a book by Dorothy Cannell, and I think I won't bother to continue. The title caught my eye,.."The Importance of Being Ernestine". I thought that was clever. However, what I've read so far continues to be a take-off on overworked themes. The detectives office is dusty, the furniture is one desk, two chairs, and a file cabinet, all old and beat up. Oh, and a bottle of liquor. There is a female with high heels, miniskirt, Marilyn Monroe pink sweater and little education, smoking and drinking, with the twist of being age 60. There is a totally unrealistic man with a gun...pure caricature. I just decided I'd rather read something else. If you're in the mood for that sort of thing, give it a try. ...Babi

Just finished a good book. Shocking Pink by Erica Spindler

Just finished a good book Shocking Pink by Erica Spindler

It seems like I read Charlotte Armstrong years ago, before I began to keep my reading list and don't remember anything about her. I think it is time to try her again. I will look for 'The Gift Shop', Jeryn, thanks.

I don't think the US Gov't actions will have any effect on offshore SPAM senders. I had my computer person put up a firewall for me. The thought of some sleeze using my computer without my knowledge to send SPAM made me angry. My computer person told me that Mac users have fewer problems due to the architecture of the Mac. Plus, I never give any organizations my email address and I never order anything online if I can't print out an order form and mail a check. Needless to say, I never buy from Amazon! My neighborhood bookstore has been very faithful in getting the few books I actually buy, mostly gifts, for me. Anyway, if I get two or three SPAMs a month, it is a busy month. I am so thankful that it encourages me to continue keeping a low profile.

All of Dorothy Cannell affects me like that. She has really clever titles, but I have yet to finish her books. Simply get to a point and throw it at a wall.. She dithers..

LOL! Two votes against Ms. Cannell. Can't spend time with an author who 'dithers'. <bg> ...Babi

Friday's Wall Street Journal had several Christmas Mysteries they reviewed and I regret that I don't have time to review all the prior posts here to see if you all have discussed them, but two looked really good to me and have ordered them, I'm sorry if I'm repeating information.

A Christmas Journey by Anne Perry is "that rarest of seasonal thrillers; one that exemplifies the message and spirit of the holiday." It takes place in a country house in Berkshire, England, in 1853, where several people have gathered for a Christmas weekend party. One guest cruelly insults another who then commits suicide. The hostess has a startling proposal, if the woman a fault will agree to deliver the dreadful news in person to the suicide's mother in a far part of Scotland-- a "pilgrimage of expiation," no one present will speak of it again. Sounds super, to me, and have ordered it.

The Queens' Christmas by Karen Harper, is a period piece which takes place in Elizabethan England, as soon as Elizabeth decrees that "London SHALL have a Yuletide festival of old… setting aside recent strictures," one of her royal staff is founded hanged, his corpse grotesquely adorned like a banquet peacock. Is it murder? Sounds good, too, so have ordered both, nothing like a good Christmas mystery.

ginny

I've always liked Anne Perry, Ginny. I'll look for that one. ...Babi

I think Karen Harper is mostly a romance writer. so beware, this might be a everyone is so beautiful and rich type.

I read "A Christmas Journey" by Ann Perry. It was ok, definitely a seasonal book. It was a nice read for a snowy Sunday.

N

Last week on Mystery (PBS), Diana Rigg, at the end of the show, told the tale of the two friends who conspired to kill the mother of one of them. The book and movie are called "Heavenly Creatures" and I mention it because one of the girls eventually became Anne Perry.

I know it's one spooky movie, jeanlock! I found it at our library back in Ohio last year. Have you read the book?

Thanks for the Christmas mysteries, Ginny. I felt kind of Christmasy when at the library last week and brought home Christmas Stalkings [short stories collected by Charlotte MacLeod] and The Midnight Before Christmas ["a holiday thriller"] by William Bernhardt. Don't know yet if they are any good or not because I am happily reading the latest Elizabeth George which may KEEP me happy till Christmas, it's so long!

Here is a link to more Christmas mysteries.

Jeryn,

No, not the book. But have seen the movie.

My Goodness! I had heard that Anne Perry (I've never read her) was involved in a murder, but I had no idea that movie was a depiction of same. I was aghast at the ending.

Howzat

Have not seen the movie, but remember the scandal when it first came out and they found out who it was. Shame,, she is a fine writer and did pay for the crime.

Yes, she has remade her life successfully, but I got to thinking:

In this country they'd put her away for life with no parole and then what? Seems to me she makes a pretty good case for the fact that people who commit horrendous crimes --and that WAS horrendous-- can be rehabilitated and go on to lead useful lives. But try telling that to a prosecutor. Diana Rigg quoted from the diary entry the girl wrote the night before the crime. Chilling!

It makes a good case for thought about charging juveniles as adults.

I watched POV last night on PBS, the one where women in prison took a course in writing. It seems to me these particular women were given much longer sentences than I've seen men getting for similar crimes. Could that be?

Howzat

HOWZAT: I am sure the people in the P.O.V. discussion of last night's show would be interested in your comment about the length of sentencing.

Just finished Laurie King's "Keeping Watch" - great read! I enjoy all her books. Hope she keeps writing. Judy

At the book store today, I picked up some books for Christmas gifts. Some extra for the grands. I had picked out three CAT WHO paperbacks and as I wandered around (thoroughly enjoying myself) I found two hard cover books in the series on a special discount for a dollar less! Needless to say I grabbed them as there will be birthdays soon after the holidays. Also got one of the mystery books by Erlene Fowler who gives a title of a quilt. That will be for my quilting daughter. All in all, a good day.

Well, I just stopped reading Blow Fly after about 200 pages. Until her last two books I was a big fan of Patricia Cornwell books about Dr. Kay Scarpetta. IMHO, she has had it as a writer. I shall not read her again. Fortunately this book was from the library so I didn't have to waste my money.

In Blow Fly she has chosen to write it in present tense. That is very annoying to me. Also, this is the second book that purports to be about Scarpetta, but turns out to be about everyone else but.

You all may disagree with me. That is certainly your right. I'll not argue with you if you still like her work, but to me she is now a has-been writer.

Oscar

OSCAR.. I agree about Kay Scarpatta. I dont quite understand what is going on with Patricia Cornwall.. She seems to be completely off track and determined to some odd sort of pushing the reader into thinking she is a good writer. No more.. The Jack the Ripper thing completely turned me off for her..

I think Patricia Cornwell suffers the fate of many mystery/thriller authors. They have great success in their early books,get big advances for future work and then fall into a pattern that is crushingly formulaic.

It's difficult to sustain a high level of excellence when you're contracted to produce a book a year.

Some authors that I like and who seem to be consistently excellent are James Lee Burke....Lawrence Block...Michael Connelley. For those of you who like gritty,urban thrillers may I recommend George Pelicanos (Washington D.C. is his baliwick).

Thanks, Ed! Good to "see" you here once again... been quite a while. I hope you are feeling well? I agree with you about authors settling into a formula or routine, thus losing what made them popular in the first place. Another one that did that is Robert B. Parker, sad to say.

I know he has changed style, but so far I've liked Robert Parker's new books. I do love the conversations between Spencer and Hawk.

Oscar

Ed,

Yes, I agree. Ever since she got that huge advance for a specified number of books, I've felt that she's just churning them out to meet the contract. And mostly I've not liked much that she'd done in the last 3 years or so.

I agree with the comments about Patricia Cornwell. I no longer bother to read her books. I do like the series by Kathy Reichs about Tempe Brennan, a forensic anthropologist in NC.

I also continue to like the Spencer series by Robert Parker, although the "He said, I saids" start to get to me after a while. I have found that bothers me less if I listen to the audio version. The conversations between Spencer and Hawk are always fun. I just listened to BACK STORY a few weeks ago while commuting to work.

I finished Rita Mae Brown's HOTSPUR last night. I really enjoyed it. If you like her Mrs. Murphy series, you may like this series. The writing is very similar and also has talking animals: foxes, dogs, horses, cats, birds. I love the way she uses the animals to comment on our human foibles. Foxhunting is very much part of the plot. Ms. Brown is Master of Fox Hounds for one of the local hunt clubs, so she knows foxhunting. And I admit that part of my enjoyment is the location. In the Mrs. Murphy series, she uses Crozet, VA which is only about 25 miles from where I live. In this series, she has created a make-believe county that is stuck in among all the real ones in this area. I am going to be looking for FULL CRY, the next one in this series.

Several of you recommended "Letter from Home" by Carolyn Hart so I treated myself with a copy for the holidays. I like both of her series but believe this is her best book. I also enjoy Rita Mae Brown's Mrs. Murphy series so will have to look for "Hotspur" that Mary mentioned. I've got a long list of authors I've collected from this site and not enough time to check on all of them. I don't post very often but really enjoy this site.

I believe that Rita Mae lives somewhere in the area she writes about. At least I was told that at a booksellers convention some years ago. I love all of her books. She writes some really neat, non mysteries as well. I just read a book by Elaine Viets.. A woman who is on the run who takes off the books type jobs and seems to solve crimes on the way. Sort of interesting in a way, but when the reason is explained I have problems with it.

A few days ago as I was paying for my groceries I happened to glance to my right. That's where the paperback books are on display. What caught my eye were 2 books with Braun's name in large type. So after I paid for my groceries, I parked my cart and went back to check them out. Needless to say I bought both of them. One is Cat Who Brought Down the House and the other is Short & Tall Tales. I haven't read either one as yet. The second book has as its sub title Moose County Legends and has short stories "collected by James Mackintosh Qwilleran. This is the book that Qwill has been working on since The Cat Who Tailed a Thief. So it should be fun tp read.

Lillian Jackson Braun will have a new book out shortly. The Cat Who Talked Turkey. Whoopee!

That's TWO new ones for me, Louise, Barb! I didn't know Short and Tall Tales was a realtime published book!

I think Robert B. Parker has tried a little TOO hard to be spare in his prose... "I said, he said..." like, there are other words and ways! I believe he's so enamoured of Raymond Chandler's style that he has, let's hope unconsciously, begun to emulate it in his own works. Have any of you Parker fans read the unfinished manuscript novel by Chandler that Parker finished? I think it was called Poodle Springs or something like that.

I'm going to have to read Rita Mae Brown again... did not care that much for her earlier books, but that was before she started writing about cats! <BG>

  
He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, 
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle; 
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, 
"Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!"

I have just completed, unfortunately, the best Christmas Country House Mystery I have ever read, thanks to YOUR recommendations here, in Cyril Hare's An English Christmas, which FINALLY came to me from amazon.uk, (because it's out of print here) and I sat down to read it yesterday and found myself immediately swept very powerfully away to an English manor in the countryside. I was very pleased that it occurs 2 days before Christmas. Unfortunately you can't put it down and it's only 163 pages long and so equally unfortunately, it's too soon over, like this morning, but I loved it: English Country House, snow storm, cut off, Christmas, murders, and it's really one of the old school type of thing, I recommend it strongly (tho Christmas Crimes at Puzzel Manor remains my all time favorite, this one, along with Agatha Christie's Poirot's Christmas, has to be the best English Country House Mystery, and thank whoever recommended it in the first place, it's fabulous.

And so I wish all of you no matter how you celebrate the holidays, much joy and laughter and love, and a very Happy New Year.

ginny

Have just started Laura Lippman"s "The Last Place" . I like her very much and this is starting out as a real puzzle.

I finished A Place of Hiding, Elizabeth George's latest, just before Christmas. For George fans, it is a must read, even though it features only secondary characters from past novels. I miss Barbara Haver! I miss the keen Lady Helen!! But Deborah and St. James are doing the sleuthing this time. Enjoyable but not O.S.

I've now started the Carolyn Hart novel, Letter from Home, as it was highly recommended in this forum!

Christmas had me so busy I was meeting myself coming back, what with shopping, wrapping and mailing. Now I have time to read all of those wonderful Christmas stories you recommended, Ginny. They all sound great, and I don't mind if it is after Christmas. Now I can relax and enjoy them. I love the fact that 'A Christmas Journey' by Anne Perry uses Aunt Vespasia as a young woman as the main character! For non-Perry fans, Aunt Vespasia is an important character in the Thomas and Charlotte Pitt series.

I, too, really like Laurie King, Judy, and could hardly put 'Keeping Watch' down. I liked the fact that it was in the same area, and as I recall, on the same island as 'Folly' but about different characters.

A forensic anthropologist in NC sounds great, Mary, I will certainly give it a try. I like the forensic entomologist in Todd Borg's Tahoe series. He is not a great writer, but is not too bad and the setting of Lake Tahoe on the California-Nevada border is excellent. The plots are interesting and they are fast moving with a wonderful harlequin Great Dane and just a touch of Mickey Spillane.

I look forward to reading Rita Mae Brown's new series, also, Mary. I was engrossed in her novel 'Riding Shotgun' which is in the fiction section. It is also set in fox hunting Virginia country and involves time travel back to 1699. I found it fascinating. The only mystery was how our heroine was going to get back to her real time and place.

I hope everyone had an enjoyable Christmas. Now it is the countdown to the new year. I can't believe another one is over.

Tempe Brennan, the forensic anthropologist I mentioned in my last post, works in both North Carolina and Montreal, Canada. Some books have her one place and some the other. Some reviewers say Kathy Reichs spends too much time on the technical aspects of forensic anthropology, but I find it fascinating. I will have to check into the books by Todd Borg.

After some research, I discovered that the Rita Mae Brown book I just read is the second one in the foxhunting series. So I have two more to look forward to. The books in order are OUTFOXED, HOTSPUR, and FULL CRY. I remember reading RIDING SHOTGUN. I enjoyed it too.

I just finished reading LAST LESSON OF SUMMER by Margaret Maron. It is not part of her Deborah Knott series, but most of it is set in the same area of North Carolina. Dwight Bryant and Terry Wilson are the police officers investigating the murder, but they are really minor characters in the book. Like many of the Deborah Knott books, the main character's family history plays a big part in the story. I really enjoyed it.

I started THE MURDER ROOM by P.D. James last night. I only read a couple of chapters, but so far I am liking it.

I never picked up a P.D. James that wasn't good, Mary. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

I am happily reading Charlotte MacLeods anthology of Christmas mysteries, which I am sure someone in here mentioned earlier. It's full of goodies. ...Babi

Thank you, Perkie, I haven't gotten to the Christmas Journey yet but it's only the Second Day of Christmas so I've still got time!!

I have that, Babi, isn't it good? I love it and I've got the new PD James, too, but at the moment am reading a REAL oldie but it's SOOO atmospheric I want it in front of the fire following Cyril Hare and it's Ngaio Marsh and Spinsters in Jeopardy and it's really good, we're in a train going to this huge house and we see something thru the windows of the train and it's as real as if you were there. Summer before last I went by overnight train from Paris to Rome and it's so like it you would swear you were on the train, and I LOVE the little boy, Inspector Alleyn has a little boy in this one, I LOVE the way he talks, hahahaaha, super book, so far even IF the paperback pages are yellow with age.

ginny

I will look for the new Margaret Maron. I have read everything she has written on both of her series. Perkie.. Went to St. Augustine today and found a CORGI nightshirt.. Know our two will appreciate my devotion. I do love Elizabeth George and have put that as well as the new Lauri King down to read.. Never ever catch up on all of these things I want to read.

My library has ordered Lillian Jackson Braun's 'The Cat Who Talked Turkey', Gram, and I will keep an eye out for it. Those books always cheer me up. Thanks.

I love P.D. James, Mary, and will read 'Murder Room' as soon as I can get my hands on it. Thanks to you, too.

I have a Corgi nightshirt, also, Stephanie. It has a picture of 7 Pembrokes on a bed with a woman and it says, "No strangers to royality, Corgis are quite comfortable on a queen or king sized bed." My Corgi's feeling exactly. She practically shoves me out of my double bed when she insistes on sleeping crosswise.

I do like Andrew M. Greely's Bishop Blackie series, and just finished 'The Bishop in the West Wing'. Yes, there is a but, I am sick of his constant, irritatingly overworked use of "Patently" and, to a lesser extent. "Arguably". Take those two words out of his vocabulary and he wouldn't be able to write! The plot and the characters are so good that I expect I will read another, after a time lapse and I am able to face 'patently' again.

Perkie, I figure 'arguably' is just part of Father Blackie's persona, a habit of speech. If he went through a book w/o debating a question with a tactful 'arguably', it simply wouldn't be natural. <bg> ...Babi

I agree, BaBi, that 'arguably' is a natural part of Father Blackie's speech, but it still grates, like someone drumming their fingers interminably. It is the constant repetition.

I was having trouble with 'Unhinged' by Sarah Graves until I realized that it was all of the problems that plagued her house that I didn't like. Once I just skipped over the things rotting off of the house (I hate home maintenance) I enjoyed it much more. My roommate loved the parts I avoided, but then she watches HGTV all of the time. Her problem was keeping track of the characters because she had trouble reading a whole paragraph, if it was not about the house, without falling asleep. It is not a bad book, it just didn't carry us along as some authors do.

How perceptive of you, Perkie! I once could not understand why I found a book so unsettling and disagreeable, until I finally realized that it was bringing up subjects that impinged on my 'sore spots'. It's sort of the same reason I no longer watch horror films. I figure there is enough horror going on in the world w/o watching it in my leisure time. I don't read to be reminded of my distresses either! ..Babi

I know how I am affected by certain types of books and as I grow older how strongly I now decide to simply not read the book. I used to struggle through no matter what.But now.. you had better reach out and grab me.or I am gone..

Can't let the turkeys intrude on our valuable time now, can we, Stephanie? When we were young, we thought nothing of tackling Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Hugo. Now, multi-page soliloquies have lost a good deal of their charm. ..Babi :>)

Babi.. I now read for fun.. Too little time.. Too many books, just like the saying. I am rereading Blue Deer Thaw by Jamie Harrison just because I liked it so much the first time. Cannot imagine living there. Hate cold weather.

Have you read the rest of the Blue Deer series, Stephanie? I have enjoyed all of them, and I agree about the weather. I don't do cold any more. As a child, snow was wonderful, but not now.

I am currently listening to 'The Christie Caper' by Carolyn Hart, one of the Annie Darling series. I am on tape 7 our of 8 tapes, and Bledsoe still hasn't been murdered, although 2 other have been. I am getting irritated with Hart! Bledso is so nasty, let's kill him off and be done with it. If I made a reading list out of all the mysteries mentioned in the 'The Christie Caper', it would be long enough to last my lifetime.

Yes, I did read all four of Jamie Harrison and am disappointed that she does not seem to have written any more that I can find. REally should check Amazon, but then I want them if I see them and so... I have been staying away from book sites. Too darned many books in my book basket. Need to pare it down a bit.

I've just finished the new Patricia Cornwell, Blow Fly. Several here and others I know have all said that they have just quit reading her books - and I agree, the stories aren't nearly as "good" as they were earlier. But I did stay with this one (and I have no hesitation in stopping a book in the middle). I may have missed a few of her later ones and wondered if this is the first time we knew that Benton Wesley was not dead.

Other random observations: My spouse and somebody here have mentioned that they don't like books written in the present tense. I also find this somewhat off-putting. In this instance, though, there was so much jumping back and forth between present time and past events, it did sort of help to keep them separate. She's also spent a lot of time dwelling on Lucy's sexual preferences, and there was not much mention of that in this one at all - not good or bad, just different.

As much as I love murder mysteries, I've gotten turned off by the ones that involve horror/stalking/torture, with all the explicit descriptions. Give me a good "clean" murder or crime, and the trials and tribulations of the detective following the clues to find out whodunit.

I'm reading another VERY light, food oriented series...Joanne Fluke's Hannah Swensen series...Hannah's in Lake Eden, MN, has a bakery/coffee shop called the Cookie Jar...includes cookies recipes and is a kind of Claire Malloy-Goldie (without the bratty Arch and the JERK) kind of light, fun character.

Happy New Year, everyone! I've been playing hooky and watching far too many football games... a weakness of mine. College or pro, enjoy both. It's been a treat here lately to have some interesting games since we moved off and left our favorite teams in Ohio. It's TRUE... You Can't Take Everything With You!

I quite enjoyed Carolyn Hart's Letter from Home. Best of hers I've read. Someone here had recommended it and I do too.

Now I've picked up a totally new author... "Sheri S. Tepper writing as A.J. Orde" it says on the jacket. Title is Looking for the Aardvark. Only into it a couple of chapters but so far, a nice little whodunit. Has anyone ever heard of this author?

Jane,

I am reading The Strawbery Shortcake Murder by Joanne Fluke. I like Hannah's relationship with her sister. It is a fun series.

Hats...yes, I do too...and I see another is due out in Feb. in paperback...Lemon Meringue Pie Murder and I believe a new one in hardback in March.

Her website is cute...and cookie recipes, too...

http://www.murdershebaked.com

Jeryn, the name Sherri Tepper sounds familiar, but derned if I can tie a title to it. Let us know how you like her.

You'all be sure and check out the Book Exchange. Ginny A. just posted a whole bunch of books, and they are being snapped up fast. ..Babi

Sherry Tepper is a well known science fiction author. Sort of a femin ist .. Excellent writer in that genre.

Jane, thanks for the website and telling me about the new books.

hattie

Jane and Hats; The Joanne Fluke series is really fun, I agree - and I am glad to know that there is another one coming. I also like Monica Ferris and her descriptions and murders set in Excelsior, Minnesota. They are both balm to my MN-homesick soul (VBG). isak

I don't know Monica Ferris, but will sure look her up. Thanks, Isak!!

I've read all of Monica Ferris' Crewel World series. I think they are quite entertaining and with the added bonus of some "needlework talk" if you're into that sort of thing. The Crewel World is the name of her fictional shop and also the name of the first novel in the series.

I love Monica Ferris. I enjoyed Crewel World and Framed in Lace. It's hard not to go and buy embroidery floss or Aida cloth for cross stitch after reading one of her books. I am glad the one sister decided to keep the shop open after the murder of her sister.

Jeryn; Hot tip about Monica Ferris - she has one either just out or just about to appear, called "Cutwork" - another of Betsy Devonshire's adventures. isak

Hey, thanks... I'll look out for it, isak! That must be 5, or is it 6, in that series now?

I just started Blue Deer Thaw by Jamie Harrison, also a pretty entertaining author who seems to be improving with each new Montana adventure featuring the reluctant sherriff.

Well the mailman finally delivered my copy of Lillian Jackson Brauns The Cat Who Talked Turkey. What a disappointment! 181 pages, I read it in 2 hours. Something is definitely missing from this book. I got the feeling it was written about as fast as I read it. The story jumped so fast from one scene to the next I felt I was on a roller coaster. The only good things were Qwills mustache and Koko"s death howl. I think from now on I'll wait for my library to get it in before adding another book to my collection. I dont think it is just me, but let me know if anyone else has an opinion on this book Barb

I haven't read the "Turkey" book, but the last couple of books Braun has written seem to be more about the town and people than about a mystery. It seems to me she has run out of crimes for Qwill and Koko to solve.

Oscar

Barb, Oscar... it appears Braun may have needed a quick buck? <BG> I too have noticed this author has shortened her plots, enlarged the type, and taken advantage of her reputation to put a few over on us. Sad but it happens. Definitely go with the library edition!

Just finished P.T. Deutermann's Darkside It was very tough for me to get into I thought about quitting but I have had a life long habit of finishing the books I start. Not sure if that is necessary now. Any way back to the book. It was about the Naval Academy and the further I got into the better it was and by the last third I could hardly put it down and stayed in bed this morning to finish it. I still cannot get my breath about the ending I tell you it was something

Thanks for your post on P. T. Deutermann. I have ordered "Darkside" from the library. His "Scorpion in the Sea" was excellent. I have talked with him on the telephone and was impressed by his openess and candor.

Oscar

Oscar I can't wait to hear what you think about this book. Please come in and tell us.

Thanks for the recommendation, Judy.

That's neat, Oscar! You've actually conversed with that author? How did that come to pass??

I managed to get through Blue Deer Thaw though it took some concentration. Or maybe I've just been distracted because of the weather?! Anyhow, it is 3/4 romance and 1/4 whodunit but all rather amusing once you get used to her style. I enjoy a nicely resolved ending such as that, too.

Several months ago when I finished his first book (Scorpion) I had noted a minor technical error in a description of an aircraft manuever. Knowing from the jacket info that he was retired and living in Macon, GA, I looked up his phone number and called to register my comment. He was very gracious on the phone and we chatted for a moment about a new book he was writing at the time. He also said he was negotiating for a movie about "Scorpion." I haven't seen the movie but hope it can be made.

Oscar

Have been struggling with a book called "The Sabbothday River" Picked it up as a mystery, but thus far it is far different than that. Has anyone else read it?

In the next day or two, I will start reading THE MURDER AT THE VICARAGE by Agatha Christie. I have never read any of her books. It is for a book discussion group at my local library. How many of you have read her books? Liked them? Comments?

Over the years I've read several of Agatha Christie's books. They are usually excellent. She may be the Dame of mystery writers, though some may consider her stories somewhat dated now.

Oscar

That's neat, Oscar! Surprising a man like that even listed his number these days. Did you find it on the Internet?

I've not heard of that one, Stephanie. Who is the author?

O'Sharny, when I was younger, I read ALL Christie's novels over many years' time. I always enjoyed them. She has a unique style. Those featuring Miss Marple as protagonist were the best, I thought. And Murder at the Vicarage is one of those, if I remember rightly. I hope you come back and tell us how YOU liked it.

Thanks Oscar and Jeryn for your comments.

Now I can look forward to enjoying the book and yes, I'll return to tell you what I thought about it. Maybe even what the group thought as one other never read her books either.

As I recall, I used the internet (four11.com maybe) to get his number. I hesitated a bit about calls since I did not want to bother him. His books generally are very accurate; the error I found was his technical description of an aircraft manuever which a surface ship officer would not be expected to know.

Oscar

O'Sharny, I've read most of Agatha Christie's mysterys, too, and I have to give a big thumbs up to them, even though they are somewhat dated. I agree with Jeryn that the Miss Marples were the best, but I really like Poirot, too. Both protagonists have been featured in some good TV adaptations on PBS's Mystery and I think on A & E. I just saw a good Poirot on A & E (I think it was on that channel). Enjoy your book group. Sue

I loved both Miss Marple, Tommy and Tuppence and any others that did not have Hercule Poiret. For some reason I truly dont like him,have read most of his, but never enjoyed them that much. I loved Tommy and Tuppence, but she did not write many of them.

I guess I've read all of Agatha Christie at one time or another - I can still enjoy rereading them, and Miss Marple and Hercule Poirot are my favorites - T and T I can live without. I guess I really began a love affaire with H. Poirot when "Mystery" dramatized the stories with the actor David Suchet. IMHO his is the best portrayal of the little Belgian detective. For current mystery writers I'd nominate Laurie R. King as "Master Mystery Writer".

Judy

I belong to Mystery Guild book club and they were offering a special before Christmas. Buy 2 books and get one free. I chose "Murder at the Manor" which is a collection of 3 of Agatha Christie books. They are Crooked House, Ordeal by Innocence and The Seven Dials Mystery. They were all very good. They were not Miss Marple or Poirot. I read someplace that these were her favorites.

Has anyone here read any other of her books that were not Marple, Poirot or T and T.

I read her excellent autobiography, jeriron. Come Tell Me How You Live, I think was the title. I believe it's out of print now.

If I remember rightly [and I often don't], Ordeal by Innocence was her first novel? Does anyone know for sure? I don't remember the plot at all but know there were just a very few before she "invented" M. Poirot.

Yes I've read all of Agatha Christie's books, and own them all as well, some time ago some strange company (who you wouldn't suspect of it) came out with a bound set, cheap, of all her books, which I bought over time.

She also wrote as Mary Westmacott I think that's how it's spelled, and wrote books which were not mysteries under that name.

Her own favorite from all the books she wrote was one about a mother-daughter relationship, called A Daughter's a Daughter, reflecting her own relationship with her daughter.

That's a mind bending question, Jeryn, what was her FIRST book! I remember she wrote it under duress for money, we really someday need to look at her writings.

Everything she wrote, to me, was great, her non-mysteries are not much explored, that might make a good venue for a discussion, actually. She wrote two autobiographies, and I myself just reread Come Tell Me How You Live, because we put the opening paragraph in the Women in Literature area, I love that book. She was an extraordinary person.

I admired Agatha. She made a second life for herself and was very happy with Max. I read everything of hers including the Mary Westmacott.. I liked the non series books the best. Some of them are really good. Reading "KissCut" by Karin Slaughter.. Grim, but compelling. Dont know how I got on this streak of violence, but may have to make a run for some cozies just to change the subject.

I, too, hope that Jamie Harrison will write more in the Blue Deer mysteries, Stephanie, but can't find any reference for more than the four she has already written: The edge of the crazies (1995), Going local (1996), An unfortunate prairie occurrence (1998), and Blue deer thaw (2000).

Sheri S. Tepper has written under the pseudonyms A. J. Orde (the Jason Lynx series) and B.J. Oliphant (the Shirley McClintock series), Jeryn. I have enjoyed both series, but only tried one of her science fiction books and don't remember the title but didn't care for it and never tried any of the others.

I haven't found Lillian Jackson Braun's 'The Cat Who Talked Turkey' on the new book shelves as yet, Gram62. I'm sorry Braun's writing is becoming slap-dash. Maybe after 26 books about the same characters, it is time for her to start a new series!

The location of P.T. Deutermann's 'Darkside' is interesting to me, Judy, as I lived near Annapolis when I was a child. Does it describe Annapolis and the surrounding area very much? I was only on the Academy grounds during a brief drive-through to look at the campus. I do remember all of their boats lined up along the shore in back of the campus. My cousin was at the Academy and when he visited in the summer, we knew he was down swimming in the river by the trail of clothing from the back door to the bathroom if we were out when he arrived.

The Agatha Christie books: 'They are Crooked House', 'Ordeal by Innocence' and 'The Seven Dials Mystery' were all written under the Mary Westmacott pseudonym. The earliest publication date I can find is 'The Mysterious Affair At Styles' (Poirot's First Case) written in 1920. I can't remember reading any by Mary Westmacott, Jeriron, but plan to check. I love all of the Miss Marple, was never much interested in Tommy and Tuppence, and don't like Poirot very much but have seen the movies of 'Death on the Nile' and 'Murder on the Orient Express' so many times on TV that I can almost recite them scene by scene. Here is a complete listing of her titles. She was prolific!

http://www.myunicorn.com/bibl1/bibl0121.html

Yes, yes, Judy, Laurie R. King is indeed a "Master Mystery Writer". I just finished her sixth in her Mary Russell/Sherlock Holmes series 'Justice Hall' and consider it one of the best in the series. I think that about each one, however. After tossing Joan Hess into the "return to library" pile after getting irritated at Clare Malloy's constant complaints about the state of her finances and her unruly teenage daughter, it was a pleasure to return to King's rich and wonderful use of language.

I can see I must investigate Laurie King; high praise indeed. Manwhile, I still consider Minette Walters one of the best of the current writers. Highly original; nothing in series. ..Babi

Thanks all for the info on Agatha Christie. On the cover of the book (with the three stories I mentioned) the author is listed as Agatha Christie not Westmacott. On the inside cover it says: "Of my detective books, I think the two that satisfy me the most are Croooked House and Ordeal by Innocence"-Agatha Christie.

I just bought "The Sittaford Mystery and The secret of the Chimneys. Couldn't get her Autobiography. They didn't have it but could order it for me. Thought I would shop around first.

Perkie: I just went into that Agatha Christie link you posted. It was JUST what I was looking for because it seperated the books so I now know which to look for. Thanks again

I love Lauri King and Minette Walters. They are quite different writers, but both excellent. Lauri has also written some non series that are really good. I loved Sheri Teppers sci-fi books. Very female oriented and great fun

Thanks for that link, Perkie... it's been in our heading all along as "Unicorn/Series Lists"... a good site for series' research.

I had forgotten about Christie writing under the pseudonym at first. Was the Mysterious Affair at Styles perhaps the first published under her real name, then? There was an excellent screen version of that, I recall... I believe the same actors still being shown on A&E. David Suchet plays Poirot.

I am reading this popular Mystic River now although I'm not sure I'm liking it that well. The author paints almost too vivid a picture of people's anguish. Very talented to be able to do so, but the overall effect is depressing, IMO. I'm hoping for more suspense and less sadness in the latter part of the book?

Hang in there. The book is excellent, but no it does not get lighter. A tragedy all around. Still such a good book. Makes you really think about the consequences of jumping to a conclusion.

Stephanie, my Dad used to say that 'jumping to conclusions is the poorest form of mental exercise'. Personally, I found I got into the most trouble when I assumed that people had done, or were going to do, what they were supposed to. All to often they hadn't, and didn't! ..Babi

I've read almost all of her books, including a couple of the Mary Westmacott ones. Those, as I recall, were more on the order of romances. I just love to read those mysteries. They take me completely away from my modern mileu and I positively wallow in the British settings. Although I was never particularly fond of the Poirot books, I just love the A&E movies. Suchet has every little mannerism described in the books down so pat that they don't even seem like acting. I simply can't imagine anyone else who could convey the essence of Poirot so well. One thing, though, they don't often bring in his fondness for all the sweet liquers which is such a feature of his persona.

You know, somewhere in print there is the 'charter' so to speak, of accepted mystery writing (as of a generation or so ago) that sets forth what an author can and cannot do with his characters. As I recall, because the books were supposed to be puzzles, not novels, there weren't supposed to be characters that you'd get deeply attached to. I'll have to see if I can find that again.

And who, I wonder, would be so presumptuous as to dictate how an author should write his book? You have me curious, Jeanlock. ..Babi

Babi, I think most publishing companies have guidelines they send to would-be authors. Especially for formula fiction like mysteries and romance novels. I doubt that Dame Agatha ever had to use one, though. Sue

Babi

I'll try to look it up. It was a list of rules governing mystery writing to qualify for inclusion in one of the mystery writing professional groups. In the golden age of mysteries, they were thought of as a game, and there were rules to give the reader a 'level guessing field'. In other words, the rules were to play fair with the reader. They were interesting. I'll try Google.

So good to see such a great discussion on Agatha Christie.

The reading is going well. Much easier than I expected. I marvel at all the characters in the story and have picked the one I believe "who dun it". The curate is the one I suspect, but am only half way thru the story. I'm really surprised that Miss Marple is barely in the story.

Perkie there was quite a bit of background on the Naval Academey but most was about inside the buildings, the swimming pool and what was underground. Quite a book once you got into it.

ENGLISH 383: Women Mystery Writers I did a google on 'rules for writing mysteries' and a very interesting site turned up first thing.

http://www.sldirectory.com/libsf/booksf/mystery/classic.html

Lots of links to lore about mysteries. ----------------------------

Dorothy Sayers: The Detection Club Oath

The Detection Club was founded in 1928 - Sayers was one of the founding members. Membership is much coveted and by invitation only. A writer must be sponsored by two other members and approved by the existing members. Membership numbers are small, with the leading detective novelists of the day generally included. The oath is administered by the club president whose title is The Ruler.

OATH The Ruler shall say to the Candidate: M.N., is it your firm desire to become a Member of the Detection Club?

Then the Candidate shall answer in a loud voice:

That is my desire.

Ruler:

Do you promise that your detectives shall well and truly detect the crimes presented to them, using those wits which it may please you to bestow upon them and not placing reliance on nor making use of Divine Revelation, Feminine Intuition, Mumbo-Jumbo, Jiggery-Pokery, Coincidence or the Act of God?

Candidate:

I do.

Ruler:

Do you solemnly swear never to conceal a vital clue from the reader?

Candidate:

I do.

Ruler:

Will you honour the King's English?

Candidate:

I will.

Then the ruler shall ask:

M.N. is there anything you hold sacred?

Then the Candidate having named a Thing which he holds of peculiar sanctity the Ruler shall ask:

M.N., do you swear by (here the Ruler shall name the Thing which the Candidate has declared to be his Peculiar Sanctity) to observe faithfully all these promises which you have made, so long as you are a Member of the Club?

But if the Candidate is not able to name a Thing which he holds sacred, then the Ruler shall propose the Oath in this manner following:

M.N., do you as you hope to increase Sales, swear to observe faithfully all these promises which you have made, so long as you are a Member of the Club?

Then the Candidate shall say:

All this I solemnly do swear. And I do furthermore promise and undertake to be loyal to the Club, neither purloining nor disclosing any plot or secret communicated to me before publication by any Member, whether under the influence of drink or otherwise.

Then shall the Ruler say to the Company:

If there be any member present who objects to the Proposal let him or her so declare.

If there be any Objector, the Ruler shall appoint a time and place for the seemly discussion of the matter and shall say to the Candidate and to the Company:

Forasmuch as we are hungry and that there may no unseemly wrangling amongst us, I invite you, M.N., to bee our Guest to-night, and I hold you to the solemn promise which you have given as touching the theft or revelation of plots and secrets.

But if there be no Objector, then shall the Ruler say to the Members:

Do you acclaim M.N. as a Member of our Club?

Then the Company's Crier, or the Member appointed thereto by the Secretary, shall lead the Company in cries of approval as are within his compass or capacity. When the cries cease, whether for lack of breath or for any other cause, the Ruler shall make this declaration:

M.N., you are duly elected a Member of the Detection Club, and if you fail to keep our promise, may other writers anticipate your plots, may your publishers do you down in your contracts, may strangers sue you for libel, may your pages swarm with misprints and may your sales continually diminish. Amen.

Then the Candidate, and after him all the Members present, shall say: Amen.

------------ Father Knox's Ten Commandments Msgr. Ronald A. Knox 1929

Created as a set of bylaws for the famous DETECTION CLUB, these "Ten Commandments" served as a codex for the Club as well as a general code for the writing of detective fiction.

I. The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to follow; II. All supernatural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course; III. No more than one secret room or passage is allowable. I would add that a secret passage should not be brought in at all unless the action takes place in the kind of house where such devices might be expected; IV. No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end; V. No Chinaman must figure into the story*; VI. No accident must ever help the detective, nor must he ever have an unaccountable intuition which proves to be right; VII. The detective must not, himself, commit the crime; VIII. The detective must not light on any clues which are not instantly produced for the inspection of the reader; IX. The stupid friend of the detective, the Watson, must not conceal any thoughts which pass through his mind; his intelligence must be slightly, but only very slightly, below that of the average reader; X. Twin brothers, and doubles generally, must not appear unless we have been duly prepared for them

In Msgr. Knox's time, one of the most overused plot mechanisms was the introduction of "a Chinaman" or other foreign, exotic or otherwise unusual character from "another land" as the malefactor. This comment was not intended as a "racist" one, but as a reaction to this plotting mechanism.

Fascinating! But what about Charlie Chan? I guess because he was not the villain, the Chinaman rule would not apply. Sue

Was Charlie Chan in books? I tend to categorize books that are nowadays all called 'mysteries' by type. Those rules only applied to the classic category of analytical detective story, my favorite type. So many of the books today fasten on a schtick which becomes the real focus of the book, with the 'mystery' sort of secondary. So you can read about cats, cooking, etc. wrapped around a mystery of sorts. These books are enjoyable reading, but I really prefer meatier fare. And a lot of current mysteries actually fall into the 'police procedural' category. And many of those also highlight a social problem (I'm thinking of some of Elizabeth George's books). I like those too, because I like to learn about people.

The Charlie Chan series of books was written by Earl Derr Biggers, who greated the character. Read here:

Charlie Chan

Oscar

ALL ABOUT AGATHA CHRISTIE:

http://www.agathachristie.com/

JEANLOCK, what fun! I loved the club's induction ceremony. On the ten commandments, tho', I can recall reading a book in which the reader was privy to the thoughts of someone who turned out to be the murderer. It was so well done that the author got away with it. Sorry, but I can't remember the title of that book; it's been too long ago.

I posted on Mystery Classics about a new short-story mystery collection that promises to be very good. Edited by Anne Perry, with all stories Shakespeare-inspired, entitled "Much Ado About Murder". ...Babi

My brother used to assume a Charlie Chan pose and recite, "Those who jump to conclusions, Often end in confusions". I also like the line from James Thurber's 'The White Deer': "You asked me to assume an assumption, but you are assuming assumptions your own self." I have a bad habit of assuming assumptions, which I feel is the first step to jumping to conclusions. Does this paragraph make any sense to anyone but me?

I don't think I have ever read a Charlie Chan book, and he is such cliche. I will have to remedy that!

I love the 10 rules for writing mysteries and the induction ceremony, Jeanlock. Thank you for the research.

I just discovered Ann Purser. 'Murder on Monday' was on the new book shelf and I couldn't resist trying a book set in the village of Long Farnden. It is not a cozy exactly, but is light and quick reading. I like the characters, and although problems with a teen-age daughter feature as part of the plot, but I didn't mind because it wasn't just thrashing but a real problem that needed solving. It bogs down a little with the "is it this person or that person" diatribe, but that was easy to skip over. There is a second one out, 'Terror on Tuesday', that I will watch for on the new book shelf.

Earl der Biggers. Of course. I do remember the name altough I never read any of them.

Thanks for your research, jeanlock! I liked the website so put it in our heading... also the Agatha Christie. I checked and all of our Mystery Corner links are up-to-date now. That last one... Stop, You're Killing Me!... is another good place for checking series.

Perkie, I understand what you mean about Charlie Chan. I was introduced to him as a kid at Saturday morning matinees. I found him unamusing then, and have never read any of the books. ..Babi

Actually, I had a crush on #1 son

Whoa! I finished Mystic River. Whoa up bigtime. That is quite a plot. I won't say more... just read it, folks! Guaranteed to hold your interest; trust me.

Glad you liked it Jeryn. It is a most amazing book.. Right and wrong are so very complicated in this one. I have read one of his previous books and it is fun,, but nothing like this one.

Right and wrong can frequently be complicated, I find, but the average mystery doesn't go too deeply into those waters. 'Mystic River' sounds very worthwhile. With Jeryn and Stephanie both recommending it, I'll have to look it up. ...Babi

I'm reading an author new to me, but one that's listed at the top as one of the best: Lawrence Block. This one is The Burglar in the Library ...

It's interesting, so far, and I think I'll try more of Block's, if our Library has them.

Good choice. Block is one of my favorite authors, in particular, his "Burglar" series.

Oscar

Refresh my memory, Jeryn and Stephanie. Who wrote Mystic River? Thanks.

Jane, I like Lawrence Block, too. So did Bob and he was the one who bought them. I read from his stacks when I run out of things in mine! Sue

Dennis Lehane wrote Mystic River, SCSue. First book of his I've read but now intend to try some more.

I'm getting senile. I picked up a book at the library by Val McDermid, Report for Murder, began reading it this afternoon. Read a whole chapter before I realized "I've read this." <LOL> Several years ago and many whodunits ago! I think it was pretty good but darned if I'm going to read it again.

Has that ever happened to any of you?

Many times, Jeryn. I usually try to read the first few pages to see if the book sounds familiar, but I read so many and I am so poor at remembering titles and/or authors. A lot of times that it happens, I just reread the book. I'm still not comfortable with giving myself permission NOT to finish a book. I don't think I have memory problems, but sometimes I wonder! Sue

P.S. Thanks for the reminder about Dennis LeHane. I've written it down and hope I don't lose my note!

Jane, I think you'll find a shelf full of Lawrence Block books in your library. He is one of the notables in detective fiction. ...Babi

Jereyn I thought that was the way things go. We have a standing joke at our house. The time is fast approaching where we will need only 2 books and 2 movies because we won't know the difference. Sometimes we watch a movie half way through before it dawns on us we have seen it. Sometimes when we are watching a program that looks like my husband is enjoying it I don't say anything I just watch it again. Same for books.

I see you got the message onDennis Lehane. Good writer with an intesting slant on things. Lawrence Block writes several series. My husband is fond of Bernie, the burgular. I tend to like the others. A good number of them are singles and take on some intesting topics.

Isn't Bernie the burglar a Donald Westlake character? Maybe not. Anyhoooo, Westlake is a lot of fun. ...Babi

I think Westlake wrote very humorous books about a burglar/bank robber who was always hooked up with some incompetents. "The Hot Rock" was one of my favorites. I can't for the life of me remember his name.

Oscar

From a quick look, it looks like a Westlake character is named Dortmunder.

Bernie Rhodenbarr, bookstore owner and burglar, is a Lawrence BlocK character I've just found.

I just finished "The Blue Last" by Martha Grimes which was well written with our old friends, Richard Jury, Melrose Plant etc ect. I would recommend it but the end(which I had a mild clue) was awful!!! Anybody else read it??? Should I ask the give away plot question??? Nahhhha! I won't spoil it for you all!

Hey, Ms Judy! Glad to see you are still tapping on the boards.

Thanks Jane. You are correct. I just couldn't recall it.

Oscar

Oscar: Boy, I know how that is...;0)

Miss Alden Miss Judy ME?????????

I just tried to read a Martha Grimes - "The Grave Maurice" - and about half-way through it I quit. I believe it's the first one of hers that I haven't enjoyed.

Judy

JudyKlapper: I have stopped reading Martha Grimes. I thought her early books were very good, but as time went on the "cutsy" interaction between the continueing characters drowned out the story. Also, I find some of her humor cruel: setting someone up to be made fun of.

Ah, yes, I am beginning to be sick of Martha Grimes but wanted to try one more when I read "The Blue Last" last week. It has no ending and is getting too cute with the characters. Lots of references to the older books too, and that's what made me suspect the ending. Oh well, I liked spending the time just reading for fun. Now, I am on to more serious stuff!!

Yes, Ms Judy, its you!!

Does anyone know if we are still reading "Mystic River" in February?

Reading "Mystic River" in Feb.?? I just got that from the library. I'd like to know, too. ...Babi

I think that the person leading the Mystic River discussion has been ill and wants to postpone it.

I gave up on Martha Grimes quite some time ago, too. Repetitive and silly. A writer who just didn't have what it takes to sustain a series even though there were a few early ones that were quite enjoyable. Too bad.

I just finished Mystic River too. Enjoyed it very much. Most interesting plot I've seen in a modern novel for some time. I believe they do plan to discuss it here... not sure when. Watch for it on the Upcoming.

Steph is right in that Lorrie is quite ill and is not able to continue in February with Mystic River, (and you might want to drop her a cheery get well note: HGorg92307@aol.com) BUT there's BREAKING NEWS on that and we WILL be offering it in either March or April!!!! Stay tuned, for more developments, you can definitely begin reading it now! Jeryn I hope you will join the discussin also, how many of you all have seen the movie? I haven't?

ginny

Thanks for letting us know about Lorrie, Ginny. I'm sorry to hear she is so ill. ...Babi

Thank you Babi, yes she is extremely ill as a matter of fact and our Books Family might want to rally round to cheer her.

You and I were posting together and I'm not sure you saw but we ARE, Jeryn was right, going to offer Mystic River probably in March, so everybody grab a copy (is it a mystery, then?) and you'll hear right here when it is scheduled! It WILL be either March or April so you can get a jump on it now, is the movie on Pay Per View or is it still in the theaters? Says the woman who does not go go movies?

ginny

I found what is, to me, a little gem. It is the second in the Sunny McCosky Napa Valley Mysteries, 'Death By The Glass'. The first one is called 'Sharpshooter'. They are set in California, about 45 minutes from my home, so that makes them interesting. The main characters have a lot of quick repartee, which I like, and the story is interesting and moves along well with only a small amount of 'this one or that one' harranguing. Fine food and wine play a large part in the story, but no recipes.

Lawrence Block is another one of those authors with one series that I really like, Jane, and that is the Burglar books. I get a big kick out of Bernie. I tried reading some of Block's other books and just couldn't get interested in them.

In spite of the list of mysteries I have read, Jeryn, I slip up between library and computer and then get books I have already read. Once I was almost halfway through before it began to sound vaguely familiar, but I didn't remember who-done-it, so finished it and made sure it was on my list!

"Publisher's Weekly" agrees with you, Ann! I read it when it came out, but don't remember the ending.

"Reading Grimes's 16th Richard Jury novel (The Case Has Altered, etc.) is like watching a good movie on TV constantly interrupted by commercials. The author used to produce well-crafted, atmospheric works with delightful characters, but in recent years they've become unnecessarily long, overpopulated with minor characters (including Melrose), who take up a lot of time while contributing little to the crime at hand. The premise here is promising enough: the bodies of a woman and an infant turn up in the last unredeveloped bomb site in London (a pub called the Blue Last), victims of the final heavy German bombing of WWII. The woman, identified as Alexandra Tyndale, was the daughter of a wealthy brewing magnate; the infant was the daughter of Alexandra's nanny. Or was the infant, in fact, Alexandra's daughter, whom the nanny swapped with her own child to make her heir to the Tyndale fortune? It's all quite Victorian. Called in by his friend DCI Mickey Haggerty to help on the case, Richard Jury soon finds himself involved with a murder that could be related. Two children, Grimes's usual pathologically precocious tots, enter the action, as does Melrose with a whole subplot of his own. Because of this excess baggage, the reader must wait impatiently for the mystery to resume. A far-fetched solution will satisfy only the author's staunchest fans. Despite the weakness of this title, Grimes is impervious to negative criticism; like others in the series, this one should hit bestseller charts" - Publisher's Weekly, c.2001

Mystic River.. do see the movie Ginny, it explores another option from the book and is excellent all by itself. Sean Penn is simply magnificent in this. As to whether it is a mystery?? not a conventional one for sure, but I would guess a mystery by genre.

I just finished the first John Darnell Mystery, The Case of Cabin 13 by Sam McCarver. John is a Paranormal Detective and investigates a mystery aboard the Titanic. This little gem came out in 1999 and I see there are now more books in the series which I will be looking for. Also I enjoyed Sharon Fiffers Dead Guys Stuff, a little different, plots not great but I enjoy her occupation of picking through boxes of other peoples junk.

This author does have more sleuths besides Midnight Louis. I have brought home this author's latest book. It is called Femme Fatale. I haven't read it yet but have readthe 2 previous books: Chapel Noir and Castle Rouge. The main characters are Irene Adler and Sherlock Holmes. There are a few books before these last 3 but the library doesn't have them. But these 3 are really good and I certainly look forward to Femme Fatale.

Stephanie, which part does Sean Penn play? I've been so curious ever since I read the book as to which characters are played by which stars:

Sean Penn [I guess "Dave"]
Clint Eastwood [I'm thinking "Jimmy Marcus"]
Tim Robbins [I assume the boy who grew up to be a policeman... "Sean", I think they called him in the book?].

Don't know if I actually want to see this movie or not. The story was pretty noir. I like dismal in books, but not in movies!

Clint EAstwood directs the picture. Tim Robbins is the boy who was abducted as a child. Sean Penn is the man who is mob connected and owns a corner store and the third star is the policeman. Sean is so powerful as the father of the dead girl. The scenes in the morgue and funeral parlor are as powerful as anything I have ever seen. You truly feel his pain.. Incredible

Thanks, Stephanie. That is TOTALLY different from what I imagined! So Robbins plays "Dave" and Penn is "Jimmy"... got it. The part of "Jimmy Marcus" has plenty of opportunity for emoting. What a story! I may want to see this movie after all.

By the way, SN Books IS going to discuss Mystic River, slated to begin March 1. Check it out here.

I don't know if it's considered a mystery, but have you--any of you--seen the movie of "House of Sand and Fog"? That was SUCH an intriguing story of human misunderstanding. I'd really like to see what the movie has made of it.

Meanwhile, I've begun the first in the Jason Lynx series by Sherrie Tepper writing as J.J.Orde. It's called A Little Neighborhood Murder.

What are YOU reading and liking [or not] today?

I also read "House of Sand and Fog". I was impressed, but I don't know if I want to see the movie, now that I know the plot. My son said the movie was very good. They changed the ending only very slightly.

Jeryn; & others, regarding Mystic River, I did see the movie first, and tho it was so dark, I think I might want to read the book, given all of the comments from this group.

isak

I saw the movie House of Sand and Fog and absolutely loved it. I can't wait to read the book now. Ben Kingsley is absolutely fabulous and the woman who plays his wife is an Iranian actress and does an excellent job..

Isak, I sure hope you and the others here at Mystery Corner will join us for the discussion of Mystic River.

I just ordered Mystic River from the library today, so will be able to join the discussion.

Oscar

JoanK, Elly Mae, thanks so much for commenting on House of Sand and Fog. That book just fascinated me... I HAVE to see the movie now! It did get mostly very good reviews, too, and now that I have yours--Elly Mae--that cinched it!

Looks like plenty of interest in discussing Mystic River. This is a good thing! I presume the movie follows the book pretty closely?

I'm wondering if Dennis Lehane's earlier books are also good reading? Anyone read others??

Hi folks, I lurk here often with pencil and paper in hand, make a list of your suggestions and then head to the library. I can't begin to keep up with all the books you suggest but have found some great books, thanks to you. I found a new book at the library that you might be interested in-its called Deathline by Jane Aiken Hodge. More a cozy than a violent mystery, but a quick read and good story. I enjoyed it and hope you will too.

Jeryn, I have read one previous book by Dennis Lehane and liked it enough to search for the others. However Mystic River is more multidimensional than the first book he wrote.. Still He is interesting. I am so interested in the discussion. I found both the movie and book to be exceptional. Since I dont really go to many movies, I am delighted to discover that Sean Penn got an Oscar nomination.. I had always written him off as a punk, but this movie surely changed my mind.

Hi, Speechie. Drop in any time. Always glad to get a hear of an author I don't know...yet. ...Babi

WELCOME, Speechie! Glad to see you here, lurking or whatever. You are using us the exact way intended... to find good mysteries to read. I hope you'll share some more of your favorites with us. In any case, enjoy!

Thanks, Stephanie. I never thought much of Sean Penn either so perhaps this movie will change MY mind as well! I will have to look for some more of Lehane's novels.

I'm enjoying the little mystery by A.J.Orde... Jason Lynx series... but thinking more and more as I go along that they fall in the category of "cozies". Any of you read these? What do YOU think??

I just did a search here on Martha Grimes -- she doesn't seem to have many fans here. I've read very little of her, and don't know if the book I'm reading -- Babes in the Woods is receny or older. Is she a strong feminist or have a thing against men? I'm only halfway thru and three male characters introduced so far are wimpy, jerky, weak, obnoxious, and attracted to overpowering strong women who manage their lives. Is she always like this? Maybe it's just because it's being read on top of the Carolyn Heilbrun book we've been discussing on SeniorNet. Otherwise it's a good book.

Oscar, so glad you're going to join us with Mystic River.

Nice to see you here, pedln! I understand you will be the DL for the Mystic River discussion? That promises to be very well attended from the number of people posting positive reports in here. The hit movie doesn't hurt anything either! Looking forward to it as I hope to look in too when I have time.

As for Martha Grimes, I don't know the title you mention at all. Some of her earlier mysteries [not all] in the Inspector Jury series are rather entertaining but the later ones, frankly, stink. She is a very erratic author, to my thinking.

Jury, et al, are amusing for a while, but then it goes stale. Grimes needs to try something new, before she loses more readers, IMO. ..Babi

I goofed. Babes in the Woods is by Ruth Rendell. The Grimes that came home from the library is The Dirty Duck -- haven't started that one yet. Haven't read a lot of Rendell, but was surprised at the way she smeared these three guys. Not the cops, just witnesses and/or suspects.

I can happily recommend the collection of mystery short stories entitled "Much Ado About Murder", edited by Anne Perry. As one might suspect from the title, each story is connected in some way with Shakespeare's plays. Some very good stories, including one highly irreverent redo of Hamlet ['Hammy'], as told by 'Pat', and featuring another 'Irishman' whose name I will withhold. Why spoil the fun for you. ...Babi

Have to be in the absolutely right mood to read Rendell.. She is interesting, but has a darn slant to her books. Knee deep in company. The frozen weather up north has sent all of our past neighbors and friends to sunny Florida. I love them, but not in such large numbers.

I found an absolute plethora of delightful-sounding whodunits at the library today! Sometimes, books just jump into your arms-- other times, can hardly find a thing one wants to read. I'm going to be busy...
Perri O'Shaugnessy's newest... Presumption of Death
Sarah Caudwell... The Sibyl in Her Grave
Amanda Cross... [aka Carolyn Heilbrun] In the Last Analysis
Sharon Fiffer... Killer Stuff
Jane Langton... Emily Dickinson is Dead

JERYN: great haul at the library, not only for reading but for looking. Does the Caudwell have the wonderful Gorey cover illustration? Langton is the only author who I bought a hardback (of Murder at the Gardner) after I had already read the paperback, because I wanted to be able to see her line drawings better. (I did buy it used, however).

I just finished FIRST TO DIE by James Patterson. It was the first time I've read him and it was Good. Just what I like.

Joan I know at least one Cauldwell has the Gorey on the cover but I can't find it, something about Sirens, I've ordered some more of hers as a consequence of reading the Heilbrun book.

MC Beaton fans will be excited to hear she has a new one coming out this month (in February) something about Poison Pen, I thought she had done that before, must not have, it's a Hamish McBeth.

I'm deep in reading all the Ngaio Marsh's I can get my hands on, have decided to read them all, I had missed a lot of them, SHE is really good, old but good. I read Spinsters in Jeopardy, great book and now am reading Last Ditch, lovely book, in a page you're firmly ensconsed in an English village by the sea, staying while you write a book, invited to the manor, riding horses over the downs, hobnobbing with the local aristocracy, and of course, there's a murder. Wonderful book.

O'Sharny, my daughter in law not 5 minutes ago recommended Patterson to me, he sounds great I'm going to start with his When the Wind Blows, she says it's NOT in the series and was very odd, it sounds like the type of thing I might like to try.

ginny

Ginny another recommendation for Patterson. I've heard about tht one you mentioned and that it is rather different. From what I heard, I didn't think I would care for it so would like to hear your comments IF you ever get around to reading it. Which you probably will since you do read a lot.

Ginny, thanks for the heads up about M.C.Beaton. She's one of our favorites - both series.

JoanK, Ginny, yes, the Caudwell book I picked up at the library DOES have an Edward Gorey illustration on the jacket... group of people standing around looking serious with the usual crows hopping around the edges. Neat. On the back of the jacket flap, it says Sarah Caudwell died four years ago. Did we know that?

I finished the first in the Jason Lynx series last night... A Little Neighborhood Murder. I liked it even better than a later one by A.J. Orde I had read earlier this month. They are definitely in the "cozy" class, amateur sleuth and all.

There's a new John Lescroart out... good news for my fellow fans of his. Called The Second Chair.

I just finished LAURIE KINGS JUSTICE HALL, featuring Mary Russell and her partner in crime Sherlock Holmes. Absolutely great and I'll surely be looking for some of her earlier books. Has anyone read DONNA ANDREWS? I've just read MURDER WITH PEACOCKS. This is evidently a series too with Meg Langslow. Defintely a cozy and very humourous, so if you want a good chuckle try this one. Jeryn, I hope you like Sharon Fiffer, I do because I'm into garage sales, flea mkts. and "old stuff"" I read DEAD GUYS STUFF last week and liked it as well as KILLER STUFF. Its a cozy but they sure do stumble over a lot of bodies. Happy reading everyone, thanks for all the suggestions, should keep usall busy till 2050 Barb

GRAM62: I've also read "Murder with Puffins" by Donna Andrews and enjoyed it thuoroughly (yes, there is a puffin in it. I missed my chance to see a puffin years ago when I refused to climb a ladder up a hundred foot cliff and I've felt puffin deprived ever since). Amazon doesn't list that one, but does list two more I haven't read: "Crouching Buzzard, Leaping Loon", (what a name! I've got to read that one) and "We'll Always Have Parrots".

If you are a fanatic birdwatcher like me, there are several birdwatching mystery series neither as good as Andrews: J.S. Borthwick's early books (The Case of the Hookbilled Kite), and Adamson started out with birdwatchers in central park. The first is rather stodgy and the second rather cutsy, but hey! I'll read almost anything with birds and murder in it. If anyone knows of others, let me know.

JoanK--

I just saw a mention of a mystery/horror story called "The Birds" by Daphne du Maurier the other day. Do you suppose that's the story Hitchcock used as the basis for his movie? I've never been able to see a group of birds without a tremor.

And when I lived in California, I used to go up to the place where the movie was filmed. Didn't feel too at-ease there, either.

That's great you have a list so long, Barb! You'll never have to wonder what to get at the library. I think I read Murder with Peacocks... it was about a wedding, as well as murder, if I remember rightly?

That's quite a challenge, JoanK... come up with some birdwatching whodunits. Seems like as good a theme as any of the multitudes already in print! <LOL> How 'bout it folks... can you name any mystery stories fashioned around a theme of birds or birdwatching?

Oh, jeanlock, that brings back memories! "The Birds" was a movie to remember, for sure. I'm like you...I keep my eye on large flocks of birds to this day! I did not know it was a story by duMaurier but not surprised either. That's the lady who wrote Rebecca!

Has anyone read WHISPERS AND LIES BY JOY FIELDING? This is the first book of hers I've read and I was throughly enjoying it until the end. Well the ending just about scared me to death but of course I had to keep reading. I love mysteries where the plot twists and turns but this was a bit much. Comments anyone??? I went to the used bookstore yesterday to try and find more books by Donna Andrews but no such luck. I did find some online so may try and order them or continue to research. I just started a Val McDermid, KILLING THE SHADOWS. Barb

I haven't read Whispers and Lies, Barb, but I sure have read her See Jane Run and if you haven't read IT, Run Run, you will not be able to put it down, fabulous.

Jeryn, no I did not know Cauldwell died recently, we keep on MISSING them!

I'll go look for Whispers and Lies tomorrow and see what I think, is it in hardback?

ginny

Ginny, I got Whispers and Lies from the Library so I realy dont know if it is out in paperback yet. Im going to library again tomorrow so will look for Run Jane Run thanks for the suggestion. Barb

I read Run Jane Run a long time ago. I remember it was pretty suspenseful. For some reason that reminds me of another very suspenseful book, also read a long time ago. If you've never read it and if you want a thriller, try The Stepford Wives by Ira Levin. His best, if you ask me. I don't recommend reading it at bedtime. <BG>

I just returned from the library but alas no Joy Fielding on the shelves, so I requested 2 books of hers and they should be in shortly. All was not a waste though, I came home with a bag full of books to last the next 3 weeks plus their used book sale is this weekend, so I cant pass that up. I read Stepford Wives a long time ago and you are right Jeryn its not bedtime reading. Guess I'll dig into my book bag now and decide if I'm in the mood for a cozy or a thriller. Barb

I guess I am having a senior moment, Staphanie. What is the option in the movie version of Mystic River that was not in the book? I couldn’t bring myself to see the movie right after reading the book, but time has passed and I saw it last week. It is very vell done. Roger Ebert has an excellent review: http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2003/10/100801.html

A paranormal detective sounds great, Gram62. I will definitely look up Sam McCarver. I like Sharon Fiffers. I have read Killer Stuff and enjoyed it. It is always a pleasure to read a book that is on the light side after some of the ones that I wade through but want to finish anyway!

I really like the Jason Lynx series by A.J.Orde, Jeryn. I also like the Shirley McClintock series by B.J. Oliphant. They are both pseudonyms of Sherri Tepper. I consider both of them cozies.

Ah, Ruth Rendell! I didn’t think Babes in the Woods sounded at all like Martha Grimes, whom I like. I have not been disallusioned by her yet, as some of you seem to be. On the other hand, I was surprised by your comment about the book since Ruth Rendell’s Inspector Wexford series is usually a cozy and she saves her darker moments for the other, deeply psychological mysteries. Can you have a cozy with a professional police person or must it be an amateur? I consider any mystery that makes me feel good about the setting and characters a cozy.

For some unknown reason, I was surprised to see that See Jane Run was written in 1991. I would still like to read it. Did anyone see the 1995 made-for-TV movie with Joanne Kerns or the 2001 movie with Clea DuVall? I have a vague feeling that I saw the 1995 one, not because I remember Kerns but because it was longer ago than 2001.

Susan Grafton just seems to get better. I am up to K now. I do like to space out a series so I don’t get jaded on it. K seems richer in detail than some of the earlier ones.

Sue Grafton is a writer that I like also. But I have read everything she has written so far. So I have to be content with checking the New Book section when I go to the library. Meanwhile I am content with Joan Hess who I have recently discovered. I think visiting the fictional inhabitants of Maggody, Arkansas is a hilarious experience. It's called a town. I hadn't noticed the author connecting Maggody and Farberville until reading the last couple of books (murder@maggody.com and A Conventional Corpse).

I'm catching up. My favorite authors all seem to have put out new books while I wasn't looking. Just finished Evanovitch "To the Nines" still good!! and am starting Scottilini (sp?) Dead Ringer. what fun. I used to wait till yhe paperback came out to save money: not I can buy them used on Amazon for less than the paperback.

I have noticed that many British books are really cozies with a police detective. It seems to be a British format.

I'm the one who started the discussion about Grimes. I realized from the discussion that most (cozy and other) series decrease in quality and become more formula over time, but I continue to read them through affection for the author and characters (Dorothy Gilman, Anne George for example). The difference is for some reason I never felt that way about Grimes.

JoanK--

I think that the fact that Grimes is an American (almost local, in fact) and that quite a bit of her American background sneaks into her books may have something to do with it. I had given up reading her because she often cited examples, or had characters say something, that just didn't 'ring true' for being British. She's the only one of the American writers I ever had that problem with. Some of the Americans even excelled at creating a 'British' atmosphere in their books.

I had to give up on "Our Lady of Darkness" by Peter Tremayne. It is set in mid-seventh century Ireland and features Sister Fidelma who is also an advocate for the ancient laws. The writing is formal and there is so much political history that I kept getting lost. I also got tired of Sister Fidelma's flashing green eyes!

Did you know that Peter Tremayne is the pen name of Peter Ellis, a noted scholar and expert on medieval Celtic history? I imagine some of that would get into his novels. I'll have to try one and see if he is overdoing it. He's also headmaster at a London school; how British can you get?! ...Babi

My senior moment passes yours Jeryn.. Dont know what option either. I would guess I was speaking of the fact that in the movie, they mostly left out Jimmy's brother in laws and the crime factor involved with the family. The book also seemed to be clear that Jimmy's wife was very involved in the whole thing. In the movie, the wives were sort of secondary except for the one who was married to Tim Robbins..

Thanks, Stephanie. I'll miss Jimmy's brother-in-laws! They were very colorful. And the one was even THERE, at the ... you know. I don't want to give away too much plot here.

I finished In the Last Analysis, my first [and I think, THE first] of Amanda Cross's mysteries featuring English lit professor Kate Fansler. Amanda Cross is a penname for Carolyn Heilbrun, author of the lately discussed The Last Gift of Time here on SN Books. I enjoyed the book, nice plot twist at the end and pleasant, somewhat droll humor throughout. Her style would not be for everyone, though, I predict. I rather liked it and plan to read another.

Hi, Jeryn...I don't recall which is the first Kate Fansler book, but they're kind of interesting...some more than others, of course, as I recall.

I suppose that series is now ended, unless she left a number of manuscripts unpublished.

jane

I was a great fan of Amanda Cross. Kate had such a different attitude about her from the first book on. She also slipped in a lot of stuff about being a full professor and a woman at a prestigus university.

Just got my frozen feet and me back from the Clark rally, and a stop at the library book sale. I found "An Imperfect Spy" by Amanda Cross, and "Evil Angels Among Them" by Kate Charles. I've always enjoyed Cross, but I don't think she wrote a lot of books. As for Kate Charles, I know I read the first four of her Book of Psalms mysteries, but I'm not sure about Evil Angels. So, picked it up just in case. If I find I've already read it, it goes in the bag of books to be sold.

Carolyn Heilbrun a/k/a Amanda Cross was a full time professor, so she only wrote a few mysteries. They are good, very literate types.

"In the Last Analysis" (1964) is, as far as I can tell, the first of the Kate Fansler series by Amanda Cross. I used to work in a college library, so appreciated her comments about campus politics as well as descriptions of the campus itself. I have read 8 of the 13 in the series so far.

Went to the library mystery book sale this afternoon. Found two books by an author I had almost forgotten, although he was a favorite at one time: Andrew Garve. I'll post a list of the goodies because I chose older authors that I thought would add to my collection of mysteries.

That was a surprise to me to learn that Heilbrun wrote so many in her Kate Fansler series. I checked out the Unicorn/Series site and sure enough:

 

KATE FANSLER MYSTERY SERIES 

In the Last Analysis .................................... 1964 
The James Joyce Murder .................................. 1967 
Poetic Justice .......................................... 1970 
The Theban Mysteries .................................... 1971 
The Question of Max ..................................... 1976 
Death in A Tenured Position ............................. 1981 
Sweet Death, Kind Death ................................. 1984 
No Word From Winifred ................................... 1986 
A Trap for Fools ........................................ 1989 
The Players Come Again .................................. 1990 
An Imperfect Spy ........................................ 1995 
The Puzzled Heart ....................................... 1998 
Honest Doubt ............................................ 2000 
The Edge Of Doom ........................................ 2002

Here is a great link to all the cozy mysteries - my favorite is the "Agatha Raison..." books by Benton who does the Hamish (sp) the small town Detective in Scotland - there is a sense of humor in reading about Agatha who is a middle age successful London business women now retired in the Cotswells - her next door neighbor is quite the dish - a retired Col. who in one story she was about to marry but alas all goes wrong when her ex, who she thought was dead, shows up as Agatha tells it in what was his usual drunken condition...

http://www.wakefieldlibrary.org/zracozymys.htm

And it looks like PBS if going to do another series with that dishy Robson Green

http://www.bbcamerica.com/genre/drama_mysteries/trust/trust_about.jsp

Barbara - you're right - M. C. Beaton writes wonderful stories about her two characters, Agatha Raisin and Hamish MacBeth. I understand she has a new Agatha Raisin book coming out soon.

Barbara,

Is that "Wire in the Blood"? It's been showing on BBC-A for the last month. I think that British 'series' last only about 4 episodes before they go away; then return later with 4 more episode. Yes, I agree with you about Robson Green.

Oh can you actually get BBC - how do you do that - do you use something other than your local cable??? Fill me in please - the joy of watching BBC and seeing Coranation Street and their news - wow

Yes and thanks Mary for the spelling it is Beaton - some times Hamish is not as much fun as I like but that Agatha - every book I smile all the way through - not haha funny just a smile - I usually wait till they are released in paperback and I think there are two this year that were published but not yet in paper back -

I tried is it Aunt Dimity - something like that but it was just too I don't know, mundane - no spark - even Agatha Christi has a spark...

The first I remember Robson Green was in that rump where in two parts he marries an older women who was the wife of his supervisor at the Hospital and then a couple of crime something or others and then last your MR or was it Mrs. Jones where he is the reporter that has an affair with a women prime minister - he is so much fun to watch in those romantic flings - he does humor well and lovely so lovely to look at...

I finally read the first Agatha Raisin book and am now prepared to reread some of the others. The first one provides a really neat introdution to her. I started in the middle of her books and did not like them at all. Now to start over.

Barbara: You can get BBC America on cable. But it is usually not with the basic cable but the upgraded. I get it along with many mystery channels, and other movie channels, INF channel and sundance on digital cable. Many of the cable stations on digital do not have commericals. This is not the HBO or other pay stations. I love Monday Mystery night on BBCAmerica.

Yes, BBC-America is not the same as their home-grown channel. It comes with a premium set of channels I have. Unfortunately, they are changing their programming somewhat and I'm not terribly fond of some of the new show. "What Not to Wear" offends me with its constant references to boobs and tits. Call me old-fashioned. I prefer bust. And some of their other comedy shows are a bit raunchy for this little old lady. But the good ones are GOOD.

I just got MC Beaton's lastest today in the B&N here, always such a treat Death of a Poison Pen (a Hamish McBeth mystery) and it starts with Pricilla!! AND a puzzling quote, this one might be a lot of fun.

Unfortunately I also got The Codex by Douglas Preston, boy is it good. He's half of the writing team of Preston and Childs, who wrote Relic and one of them wrote Utopia, this one's about Mayan ruins and a huge old house where all the art work has been stripped and sold and the sons assemble to find the patricarch missing. Since it starts OUT a mystery I've put it here but if it turns into something else (like his always do) I'll mention it elsewhere, he's kind of a cross between Jurassic Park and Stephen King and Peter Benchley, but I started reading it in the parking lot and almost didn't want to go to class, once he hits his stride (about page 2) you're hooked, super book but I know it's going to turn Jurassic Parkish, his always do.

ginny

Jeanlock: I agree that BBCAmerica is good when it's good. I do get really tired of all those decorating , gardening and how to dress shows. I much prefer the mysteries. I love "As time goes By" but it is never shown there. And PBS shows it when it feels like it.

I get BBC-America on my DirectTV satellite dish. It was great a couple of years ago, but now prime time has those home changing decorators and others of that ilk. I was a big fan of Ballykissangel, Hamish McBeth, and Monarch of the Glen. They aren't on anymore and there are lots of fairly raunchy comedies now. Only Hamish was a mystery, but Ballykissangel had local cops and the Monarch had little problems that might be classified as mysteries. I'll have to check out the program guide for Monday nights. Sue

Spring Creek--

Monarch of the Glen is on Sunday at 6 pm. I'm afraid this may be the last series, though. And it's on every afternoon with reruns at 4 pm (that's EST). Also, there's usually a mystery show from 2-3---just now they're doing a Murder series. I like Changing Rooms, and House Invaders, but the newer ones are just blah. As for As Time Goes By, our PBS station shows it every Saturday at 8 pm. I was able to catch it right at the beginning, and now have 4 VCR tapes of it. My daughter has instructions that when/if I descend into a coma or something, just keep playing those tapes. That is the most endearing show I ever saw. Everyone on it is just perfect. Especially Alastair!

oh yes - "As Time Goes By" I too love it and the other that I think is a hoot and being honest see myself in some of her attitude is that Bucket women hahaha "Keeping Up Appearences" - "The Monarch of the Glen" is loosing all their good characters - this week the Gully left and I still think they chose the wrong gal for his wife - the Blond school teacher seemed like there were more sparks coming off the screen. Did the father, the real actor, die like the character - I forget his name but he has been in so many movies since his youth - Molly always seemed too young to be his contemporary wife but when they were all there I thought the show had more going for it then ever since the father died and they are doing this wolf preserve thing.

I still like and wish they would bring back "To the Manor Born" and the James Hariot series.

Now what is that mystery with the actress that plays Hyacinth Bucket - she lives with her husband and the younger kid from the neighborhood lives with them - it too has been a good series - and then there was another some time back with a widower doctor who has two grown children and the daughter has a baby - the Doctor was another nice to look at actor - almost looked Dutch with his blond hair -

Thanks for the BBC tips - need to look into it - I've never paid for cable but maybe - hmmm - problem is I may sit in front of the set too often rather then getting something done...

"Unfortunately", Ginny? Finding "The Codex" sounds like good fortune to me. Of course, the McBeaton book may have to wait now. I'm not familiar with either author, but I'm definitely interested now.

Barbara, I know the series you are speaking of with the housewife turned detective, but I can't think of the name of it either. I want to call her Hattie, or Hettie, but that's probably completely wrong! ..Babi

Hetty Wainthorp or Wainthropp, I love Patricia Routledge (Hyacinth Bouquet) and she also has a dramatic tour de force out which was acted on BBC, not a mystery but just wonderful acting, will try to get the name of it. Yes the Hetty Wainthropp or Wainthorp are wonderful.

Babi, I say unfortunately because I nearly got rear ended at a red light sneaking another peek at it, hahaha and can't seem to read anything else, he's good. But he always has a twist which MAY not be to the liking of all readers. If you're going to start with MC Beaton you want her very first, Agatha Raisin and the Quiche of Death.

Her new book is interesting because it's dedicated to her husband, giving her real name Gibbons I believe and to their son something like Charles David Bravo or interesting. Are those code words for the military?

ginny

Ah, Ginny, we can always count on you to come up with the info. It was a 'Hetty', so I was close. Hetty Winthrop. Patricia Routledge is one of the best.

I can sympathize with your quick peek at the book at a red light. I have been known to do the same, tho' not recently. I am much more alert and cautious since someone who wasn't looking slammed into me. (I wasn't reading at the time!)

I may pick up a McBeaton, but it is your description of "The Codex" that really intrigues me. I might like this guy.

Bravo is a military term for 'B', and I think 'Charlie' stands for 'C', but definitely not David. Bravo is not a common name, but I've seen stranger. ...Babi

First, although it is not strictly a mystery, I picked up a copy of The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury. I read it once in the dim past and enjoyed it, but just looking at the blurb on the jacket I thought it might make for a pretty good book discussion; for example,

February 1999: On Mars, Mrs. K closed her golden eyes...and dreamed of a very tall man...He was from Earth, the third planet, he explained in her dream.

December 2001: Young Benjamin Driscoll had found his niche at last. He wanted Mars green with trees--to cool the towns in the boiling summer............So he set out with a bin full of rich seeds and sprouts, Johnny Appleseeding his way across the harsh Martian landscape.

November 2005: Everyone came out to look at the sky that night, to watch the green star of Earth. ........ There was Earth, and there the coming war---------

In view of Bush's determination to settle the moon, perhaps it would be interesting to re-read and discuss what Bradbury foresaw in 1946.

Its been unusually quiet in here the past few days, everyone must be curled up and hibernating with their favorite book. I read a good Ruth Rendell last week, The Babes in the Wood, its an Inspector Wexford series. I also tried a Laurie R. King which was not one of the Sherlock Holmes series. It was psychological suspense and a little heavy for me but quite well written for someone who digs that genre. I now have 3 of the Donna Andrews Series to read before I make another trip to the library. I hope these are as funny as the first one. Happy Reading All Barb

Hi, Jeanlock...

Books is ahead of the President, apparently...LOL...the Martian Chronicles was read and discussed here in Oct. of 2002. If you want to look over the discussion, you can find it in the Archives here:

Nellie Vrolyk "Martian Chronicles ~ Ray Bradbury ~ 10/02 ~ Fiction" 2/25/02 4:50pm

jane

I just started "Mystic River", but I don't think it could be called a mystery. There is a murder, and one of the main characters is a policeman, but there seems no doubt about who the killer is. I suspect this is going to be more of a psychological dig. ...Babi

Keep reading, BaBi.

Oh Babi, such a shock you will have.. Keep Reading.

Okay, Stephanie and Jeryn. That's enough to tell me I'm taking too much for granted here. I'll keep my eyes open for the subtler stuff. ...Babi

That is quite a recommendation for "The Codex" by Douglas Preston, Ginny! I'm glad you made it to class. What are you taking?

If you can take one more Titanic story, I just finished "The Case of Cabin 13" by Sam McCarver (1999). This is from what promises to be a great resource, the Fantastic Fiction website, which claims to have over 4000 authors:

Sam McCarver has had a lifelong interest in history and mysteries going back to his early readings of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes stories and the classic mysteries of Agatha Christie. He calls his novels "history mysteries." The first, "The Case of Cabin 13," was set on the Titanic in 1912 when Darnell investigated an apparent jinx on that cabin number leading to suicides on three other White Star Line ships. The second, "The Case of Compartment 7," takes place on the Orient Express in 1914, with John Darnell and his wife Penny combining a delayed honeymoon with Darnell's investigation of a woman's bloody apparition, and included Agatha Christie in the passenger list. The third, "The Case of The 2nd Seance," involves seances at David Lloyd George's residence in 1916 at 10 Downing Street, a disappearance of his teen-aged daughter, Megan, murders, and conspiracies affecting the outcome of World War I, and featured Arthur Conan Doyle assisting Darnell.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/index.html

I am in the middle of reading "The Last Gift of Time" by Carolyn G. Heilburn. It was recomended on one of the Book boards and I don't remember which one. Anyway I see that she writes mysteries under the name Amanda Cross. The name sounds familiar but I have never read any of them. Has anybody here and if so where they good. I thought I would start with the newest one "The Edge of Doom".

Yes, I've read the "Amanda Cross" mysteries. They feature a female professor, Kate Fansler, and often involve her husband, etc.

They're good, I think, though some more than others, of course. I'd also suggest getting them from your Library. I'd never recommend buying them in hard cover. They were not "keepers" to me, but good "borrowing books"...but then most of what I read I borrow from the library.

Again, the later ones I didn't like as much as the earlier ones.

A discussion of Last Gift of Time by the late Heilbrun just concluded in January here in Books. You'll find the discussion in the Books Archives, if you wish to read the discussion of that book.

jane

Jane: Thank you for the information. I was just in the "women in Literature" board and realized that is where I read about the book I'm reading. I haven't finished it yet but was surprised to read that she had committed suicide. We really do learn something new every day, don't we? It seems to me she was very unhappy with her life the way it was and I have sympathy for her. Thanks again about Amanda Cross. Maybe I should start with the first book rather then the last.

Yes, I'd suggest the first one...you need to kind of get familiar with her...and her brothers...the rich Fanslers, etc. to understand some of what happens later in other books, etc. and to understand why Kate does/says some of the things she does, I guess.

jane

Perkie, I'm taking The Iliad and Paradise Lost, and you'd be surprised how much of the former is in the latter, I was, at any rate, they are my two classes and I had to put The Codex down or I'd get nothing else read, and that's the truth, hahahaa

I picked up what appears to be two wonderful mysteries, have any of you read these, the first is Murder on Monday by ann Purser, it has the prettiest cover (it's paperback) I ever saw and that attracted me, then the quote on the cover says, "Fresh, engaging, and authentically British," and that sold me, I read a bit and the first chapter's titled Sic Transit Gloria Mundi and it's about a working class heroine, I really think I will enjoy it, it looks different and not cutesy wootsie, which I have begun to hate.

The second one I picked up in hardback is one I have heard a lot about Alan Vanneman's Sherlock Holmes and the Hapsburg Tiara, have you heard about him? Another beautiful cover and good reviews, I usually don't like take offs on Doyle, but I realized that I enjoy Anthony Boucher and Denis Greene's radio shows almost as much as the originals, so have begun reading the new ones and they're pretty good. Haven't started it yet, but it looks good also, do you all know anything about either of these?

ginny

Beginning March 1 we'll be discussing Dennis Lehane's Mystic River, a novel with a cop, an ex-con, a loner and the people who care about them; a novel with a kidnapping and a murder, but that is more than a mystery. The book is available in paperback and even if you haven't had a chance to start it, the first seven chapters are so gripping that you'll catch up in no time. Come join us.

Mystic River

Don't miss this one folks, Mystic River is a stunning mystery novel! I know many of you are reading or have read it. Don't miss this discussion!

I am just getting started on Laurie King's laatest - "The Game". It is another of her continuing mysteries featuring Mary Russell and Sherlock Holmes (married couple). I highly recommend these books and suggest you start with "The Bee Keeper's Apprentice". King is a great writer, and no these are not take offs on Doyle - far from it. Try it - you may become hooked as I have. Her other books are awfully good too - "Folly" and "Keeping Watch" I couldn't put down. Her books are not light reading!

Okay, JUDY. I've added Laurie King to my booklist. (It's getting really long!) ...Babi

Just finished "Fox Evil" by Minette Walters, but was disappointed.. Not as good as her earlier stuff.

I enjoyed "Fox Evil", but I have to agree it wasn't as good as others of hers I've read. ...Babi

If I've done it right, the following URL should take you to a Wash Post article about Amanda Cross (real name Carolyn Heilbrun) who died recently. A planned suicide. Interesting. Reminds me of the note George Sanders reportedly left when he committed suicide, "It isn't fun any more." And frankly, I think that's a pretty darn good reason.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20868-2004Mar1?language=printer

Thank you for that link, jeanlock... a very interesting and informative article. I read Heilbrun's last book, The Last Gift of Time recently when SN Books was discussing it. And, coincidentally, am reading one of her Amanda Cross whodunits right now!

I quite concur with the idea of "rational suicide"... a very personal choice and not for everyone, of course. The key word here, as in many things, is "choice."

I, too, enjoyed 'Murder on Monday' by Ann Purser and also enjoyed 'Terror on Tuesday', Ginny. Lois Meade, the house-cleaner cum detective, is such a down-to-earth person, and the cast of characters as well as the setting was interesting. I have been wondering about the next one. 'Woefulness on Wednesday'? 'Wake on Wednesday'? 'Wickedness on Wednesday'?

I haven't heard about Alan Vanneman's 'Sherlock Holmes and the Hapsburg Tiara' and it is not in our library as yet. It will be hard to match Laurie R. King's Mary Russell and Sherlock Holmes series! I'm glsd you agree, Judy. I found 'Folly' and 'Keeping Watch' engrossing, also. Do you like her Kate Martinelli series?

"Rational suicide" is a concept that has gotten me through some very dark hours in my past. What kept me tied to the, then, present was the devastation to the family of the suicide who barely have time to absorb the shock and grieve with flashbulbs exploding in their eyes and microphones jammed in front of their mouths.

I have found some of my favorite authors beginning to drag, even Margaret Coel. I don't usually have to put her down to do a crossword puzzle instead. I was relieved to become immediately involved in 'Dead Soul' by James D. Doss and read it in two days. What a relief. I thought I was burning out on reading. What a catastrophe that would be!

Hah.. Went to the used book store and brought back a real haul. We had not been in months, so had tons of trades. Got some new authors ( new to me that is). As I start struggling through, will give opinions on them. I love Lauri King, both the Sherlock Holmes and any of the others she writes. She has a stand alone ( forgotten the name) that is magnificent.. About Cults and children.. Wow..

Yes, Stephanie, the one about cults - "A Darker Place" and I agree WOW!

Judy

Judy, Thanks for the title. I am famous for not remembering titles.. I found two of the older Dennis Lehanes. Since I am in the Mystic River discussion, I am trying to find all of the older books. They are more conventional mysteries than Mystic, but the one I had already read is quite good.

Just finished 'L is for Lawless' by Sue Grafton (who else with that title!) I think it is the best in the series so far. I loved the story line and sat up until midnight last night to finish it. Very unusual for me!

Finised "Gone,Baby,Gone" by Dennis Lehane. What a powerful, but violent writer. Amazing book. I will think on who was right for a long long time.

I have just finished reading the latest book from Carole Nelson Douglas. It is entitled Femme Fatale and follows Chapel Noir and Castle Rouge. The main character is Irene Adler and the only woman to have outwitted Sherlock Holmes. This latest book is set mostly in New York City in 1889. Irene's companion is Penelope Huxleigh who keeps journals of their adventures. Of course now I look forward to the next book. Ms Nelson definitely writes from the female point of view.

I finally reached "The Necropolis Railway" in my reading stack, and found it a quick, enjoyable read. I liked the 'proper sort' of young fellow from the country coming to big city London with dreams of becoming a train driver. The quaint early 20th century formality, the period slang, the very well done setting of the Waterloo train sheds...all entertaining. ...Babi

Stephanie, my husband read that Gone Baby Gone by Lehane and said I probably wouldn't like it because there were some pretty gruesome passages. And you are calling it "violent".

I sure liked Mystic River and am disappointed; don't know whether to read any more of his or not. What say you? Is the plot worth the gruesome bits? Can I shut my eyes and skip them, like at the movies?!!

All of you describing and reviewing your current mystery titles is a never-ending source of inspiration! I think everyone continues to get lots of good ideas from us. I sure do!

Speaking of which, my idea of the week is-- the latest John Lescroart, a great favorite of mine. The Second Chair is the 12th detective novel he has written in the series featuring Abe Glitsky and Dismas Hardy. Lots of police, politics, and lawyerly angst among these many pages of crime and justice in San Francisco.

My husband loves Lescroat.. Gone Baby Gone.. How to explain. It is gruesome in some ways. No question and yet he has something truly important to say and to ask us what we think. The story is compelling and very u nexpected in the end. But oh my,, getting there is violent. I generally do not read violent and I certainly could not read nothing but him, but he is worth it in the end..

Thanks, Stephanie; I'll reconsider...

It was MY husband who put ME onto Lescroart! Quite a few years ago... we began about the time he wrote Hard Evidence, third in the series according to the list in the front of my current edition.

Jeryn and Stephanie, I checked Gone,Baby,Gone out from the library, but have not started it yet. I've enjoyed Mystic River so far, in spite of its darkness, and am really impressed with Lehane as a writer. His Shutter Island sounds good too, but I'll try to read his detectives in order.

Just this week I received some books from Amazon. Our little local mystery discussion group is reading D. Buffa's "Defense" for April and in the same shipment I ordered Sara Paretsky's "Blacklist" which Amazon had at a good price. I do enjoy her Chicago based books.

But what's really got me over the moon right now is seeing notice of a new Cliff Janaway book by John Dunning -- Bookman's Promise is the name, I think. It's been years since he's written a Bookman book. Guess I'll try to wait until this one comes out in paperback.

A new Dunning. Oh joy. I do love the Bookman. I got a paperback several months ago of his, but it was an early book and I truly cannot get into it.. About a reporter and not terribly interesting.

Stephanie, several months ago I read a more recent Dunning -- Two O'clock Eastern Wartime. Totally different from the Bookman, but still a mystery of sorts, taking place in the early days of WWII, with a focus on radio. Highly recommended.

I loved that one as well. The one I bought was pre everything and not quite put together thus far. Sort of between a spy and a plot sort of stuff. Oh well. writers have to learn too.

I didn't realize that Carole Nelson Douglas wrote anything but the Midnight Louie series, Louise. The Irene Adler series sounds good. Thanks. I will add them to my growing list.

"The Necropolis Railway" is not in my library, BaBi, but it sounds interesting. I'll try a bookstore next.

Oh, good, a new John Dunning in the Bookman series. Thanks, Pedlin. I thoroughly enjoyed the audio version of "Two O'clock Eastern Wartime". I have an audio player in the kitchen and dawdled over the dishes.

I have read 3 mysteries since my last message. A Chief Inspector Wexford by Ruth Rendell, titled "The Babes in the Woods". It is a more complex story and much richer in detail than I remember earlier ones in the Wexford series. I liked it a lot.

Next was the latest in the Roger Chapman series by Kate Sedley, titled "The Lammas Feast". Another enjoyable trip to Bristol in the 15th century. I feel almost as conflicted as Roger about him settling down as a family man. I liked his wanderings around the countryside with his pack on his back.

Finally, "The Sinister Pig" by Tony Hillerman, the latest in the Chee/Leaphorn series. I was rather disappointed in it. Too much about the drug trade and various federal law enforcement initials and not enough about the Big Rez and the Navajo people. I hope he gets back on track with the next one. For those who follow Chee, will he and Bernie make it as a couple? I have my doubts.

Hi Perkie,

I just read that book as well, and I was disappointed. It didn't have the depth that earlier Hillerman novels have, and it seemed to happen too fast, without the thought processes and references to culture and religion that I like. It seemed to be too quick a read, maybe?

N

Glad to hear Hillerman has a new book out; I'll read it even if it isn't very good. Hope this isn't a trend.

Perkie I only discovered those Irene Adler books last year. My library doesn't have any of the older books, but I have thoroughly enjoyed the last three. They are quite large books but you can tell that Ms Neson does a thorough job in reasearching the history and customs of her day. She also seems very committed in telling what life was like for women of that time. Nellie Bly is a character in the books. She was a woman reporter looking for a story. Irene did work for the Pinkerton's so she knew something about investigation. Irene's companion would be considered an old maid but she was very consciencious in keeping notes.

Incidentally, there hasn't been a new Midnight Louis book for a couple of years. One of the first places I go at the library is to the shelves that have the new mysteries.

PERKIE, sorry I'm so slow on the up-take, but I still have my copy of "Necropolis Railway". If you haven't already gotten the book, send me your address and I'll mail you my copy. ...Babi

Is the server down? Mysteries suddenly evaporated? Where is everybody? Ah, I have it. We have all had spring fever!

I'm in a mystery funk. I haven't found anything that I really enjoy since I finished off my last Joanne Fluke. I had one here I started by somebody I don't even remember now, and it was bad, so back to the library it went. Just not enough by my favorites to keep me happy.

jane

So we are in the mystery doldrums here... after reading Mystic River, The Second Chair, and The Last Juror back to back, nothing seemed to hold my interest either till I picked up an old Jane Langton this week.

Emily Dickinson is Dead, it's called. I thought it was pretty good in a cute sort of way. A mystery lite, as it were! I've read several of Langton's mysteries now and enjoyed most of them.

I just finished Death's Jest Book by Reginald Hill. Different, and quite enjoyable. Am now reading the Elizabeth George book A Place of Hiding. Interesting.

And now for the Sunday paper.

Thanks, Jeryn and Jean. That gives me something to look for at the Library...between the yard work this week!

jane

For some reason, REginald Hill is one of the few mystery writers that I simply cannot read. I have started any number of his stuff and never make it past about page 50/

A friend of mine has a "rule of 86". If she isn't invoved in the book by page 86, she gives up on it.

Just finished a mainstream/mystery book that I enjoyed "The Seduction of Water" by Carol Goodman. Investigating the death of a Fantasy writer, it has a background of folk tales, especially the Irish myth of the Selkie.

Reginald Hill is what I call a 'meaty' writer. And that's why I enjoy his stuff, along with the other 'meaty' writers: P.D. James, Elizabeth George, etc. In Death's Jest Book, Hill manages to use 6, count 'em, 6 words I have never seen before. Instead of looking them up, I just decided that if I hadn't come across them in 77 years, I could probably get along just as well without them. Then, I started the E. George book, and came across another such word.

Now, I've read voraciously, all kinds of books, in all fields of literature, and consider myself to have a larger-than-usual vocabulary. Now, in one week to come across 7 words I didn't have a clue about sort of shook me.

Now you've got me curious, Jeanlock. I consider myself to have a better than average vocabulary, but I recently worked on a crossword puzzle that had words, and references to people, I had never heard of.

What are some of the 'weird words' you came across? I'd quote you some from that puzzle, but I've already trashed it. (muttering, of course) bg> ..Babi

Babi--

I'm not going to reread the Hill book to find the words--it's over 400 pp long; but, I did look up the word I found in the E. George book.

The word is cupreous

Now, if you're an engineer, or chemist, you probably know it. But I'd never heard of it before. Definition later, if needed.

The word "cupreous" probably refers to a coppery taste or appearance. The prefix "cupri" is often used in combined forms to refer to copper. It could refer to blood which is often said to have a coppery taste.

Let's have more. <grin>

Oscar

Oscar,

You're right on. You win the 'virtual' prize of the day.In the book the setence is:

"Among all this, modern sculptures stood: a granite figure curled foetally; a cupreous elf--seasoned by verdigris--posing beneath the fronds of a palm; ........"

verdigris I knew; but didn't relate it to copper, although I probably should have.

I love Elizabeth George.. Like the rest of you, I think I have a large vocabulary, but I would guess it is not that hard to use a word that I have never heard. There are so many many words that mean roughly the same thing. Have started on another Dennis Lehane.. Oh me, I do like this man.

Yay for Oscar! I knew it had something to do with copper, and probably would have guessed 'coppery'.

Here's one for you, Oscar and Jeanlock,..."FANTOD". I had to look that one up. ...Babi

I admit that I had to look it up also. It appears to be a medical term, usually spelled "fantods."

NOUN: 1. fantods a. A state of nervous irritability. b. Nervous movements caused by tension. 2. An outburst of emotion; a fit. ETYMOLOGY: Origin unknown.

Thanks for making me look it up.

Oscar

I've seen/heard 'fantod' recently, but hadn't looked it up.

I think my mother used to say "She had the fantods".

If Jeanlock's mother used 'fantods', it must just be a word that has fallen out of usage. I used to hear "jim-jams" in the same context. Wonder where that one came from.

Pardon me, Bill. I didn't mean to turn this into a forum on etymology. But I guess you might call these words mysteries. <bg> ..Babi

I'm with Joan. I used to hear " Had the fantods" when I was young from my Aunts and Uncles and friends of my parents.

Babi--

It wasn't MY mother who had the fantods.

new at this but had to tell you about a new mystery, a debut from P>J> Tracy, called Monkeywrench. She always wrote as P.J. Lambrecht and Traci Lambrecht.

very surprised with it, based on computer people inventing a murder game which someone is using to recreate these murders in person. very good holds my attention and can't stop until I finish. the killer is a difficult one to predict.

If you can, read it and let me know. I think it is very unusual.

JO

Hi, JO/Yogagirl, and welcome here. I'd not heard of that book, so will make a note.

Thanks!

jane

That does sound interesting, Jo. I'll try to remember that one. ..Babi

Did you know the Mayor of New York wrote mysteries? I was reading a Christmas mystery by him and lost it! Please write me if you have any of his books! I want to read more!

Just started on the new Amelia Peabody in paperback. My favorite. Ramses had twins.. How neat. Want to bet on how interesting they get..

I enjoyed ‘A Place of Hiding’, Jeanlock. I liked the scenes on Guernsey. It is easy to get involved in an Elizabeth George book.

"The Seduction of Water" by Carol Goodman does sound good, JoanK. I love mythology and have since I was a child. Her first book, “The Lake of Dead Languages” also received good reviews. Have you read it? I haven’t read either, but plan to do so soon.

It is hard to believe that Joanna Brady’s daughter is 13 already in the J. A. Jance series. Getting her new title, ‘Exit Wounds’, was rather like a trip home. I feel like I know everybody and learn a little more about them each visit. The stories are good, too!

I came upon an author on the new book shelf at the library that sounded interesting, and found I liked the main character, Torie O’Shea, very much. The author is Rett MacPherson and Torie is a genealogist who does research as her profession. In this one, “In Sheep’s Clothing”, Torie is trying to trace the author of an old manuscript found in her aunt’s home. It is light reading, but I found it fascinating and plan to look up her earlier works.

Perkie--

I finished Place of Hiding last night and thought it, as are all her books, enthralling. I hardly knew of the island, and its history during WWII was completely new. I thought her intricate plotting was great, and the individual stories were absorbing, especially the one about the man who was such a fanatic about preserving the history of the WWII occupation, and his ultimate unmasking. It's one of those books that makes you stop and ponder awhile when you've finished.

I've just begun the Da Vinci code and it's off to a riproaring start. In just the few pages I've read I've learned a great deal about Paris that I hadn't realized before. I never got to Paris, never really wanted to much, so I'm really enjoying his descriptions of the Louvre--I had no idea it was so huge (I had seen pictures of the glass pyramid) and knew of the controversy. And his explanation of the name of the Tuileries was also interesting. His pace is good, his writing evocative, and the plot promises to teach me about a lot of things I'd never known before. And it's a good story. What more can one ask?

A word of warning, Jeanlock. "The DaVinci Code" is great reading, but don't take everything he says as hard fact. Part of the fascination is trying to separate interesting new facts from questionable 'facts', and both from pure fiction. We went into a lot of this during the discussion of this book, if you want to visit the archives on it. ...Babi

Babi,

Perhaps I'll check out the discussion when I finish the book. Don't want to ruin the anticipation. As for 'fact' vs fact, I'm going on the assumption that facts, such as his descriptions of Paris, are facts, and 'facts' relating to inclusion of codes in famous paintings are probably not facts.

For lovers of Aunt Dimity, as I am, the new book, 'Aunt Dimity, Snowbound', has Lori as her irrepressible self but the setting and the mystery are quite different. A very enjoyable cozy.

'Aloha, Mr. Lucky', by Corson Hirsch, was a dud for me. I am still reading books set in Hawaii, so am getting quite a cross section of talents. I got to page 47 and just couldn't take the murder of any more volcano lovers who fight development on sacred sites. Even the dog, Mr. Lucky, couldn't carry me on.

I've just found a new author that I'm liking a lot. The name is C. J. Box, and his protagonist is a game warden in Wyoming. As frequently happens, I found his latest one, "Winterkill", first - and have just gotten his first two books to read. Unfortunately, there are only three - so far. Give him a try.

MaryZ, I read and enjoyed C.J.Box's first in the game warden series but the second one [I forget the title] had such a grisly beginning I could not hack it. I'm sort of squeamish, I guess.

I'm really enjoying another new author right now... G.M.Ford. The first in a series... Who in Hell is Wanda Fuca? It's fun with plenty of action but nothing too graphic until the penultimate chapter. I dealt with that by skipping through real fast! I'll still be looking for more of his!

Perkie, I like Jance's Joanna Brady books too. I can never remember the titles, so don't know if I've read Exit Wounds or not. Will check on that. I also like her Beaumont series, probably because I go to Seattle a lot to visit my daughter.

Jeanlock, I've always liked Elizabeth George, but could not get into her latest one -- "In Hiding." Maybe I need to give it another shot.

Jo -- I've put Monkeywrench on my "to read" list. Computers and mysteries -- right up our alley.

My doctor -- yes, really, I have a doctor who says, "What're you reading and then tells me what she likes -- during office visits. Anyway, she has recommended an author James Grippando, so I've checked his "Beyond suspician" from the library but haven't started it yet. Has anyone read any of his?

Last week NYT had a movie review of "I'm not scared," an Italian movie about a young boy who discovers a kidnapped child. It's based on a book by Nic Ammanito, so I've ordered it, a paperback, and am looking forward to reading it.

Our local monthly mystery club just finished "Defense" by D.W. Buffa -- his first, I think, about lawyer Joseph Antonelli. I also read his "Legacy" and have enjoyed both. Each member of our group takes a turn picking a book. I had never heard of Buffa before. Next month we're discussing McCall Smith's "Ladies No. 1 Detective Agency." (I kept checking the library for him, and couldn't find anything because I was looking under SMITH.)

OOps. CORRECTION: I recommended a book by Peter Shann Ford. Unfortunately, I did a mental flip and wrote 'Paul' Shann Ford by mistake. The book is "Keeper of Dreams", and the 'keeper of dreams' is an Australian aborigine. Good book. ...Babi

Well, I've finished the book. What a disappointment. I can think of four books I've read recently that, to my mind, were much better. Dream of Scipio (Iain Pears), Possession (A.S.Byatt), A Place of Hiding (E. George), and Death's Jest Book (Reginald Hill). Now those books were 'written'.

The basic premise of Da Vinci was clever, but there really wasn't much more to the book than that. Books such as that remind me of my early programming days when every program was first conceived as a block diagram. In books such as Da Vinci, I can see the bones of the structure. There was little in terms of character development, and not much of what I'd call 'writing' after the first couple of chapters. Give me some meat on those bones. So, now, I'm beginning a new P.D.James book.

I know most of you won't agree with me, but I did feel I wanted to say my piece.

to go along with his premise but there were too many stretches to his reasoning, too many gaps to jump over, that I just couldn't believe in his story. I finished it but it was a disappointing read for me, too.

No, I agree with you, Jeanlock. If you leave out Brown's controversial claims, what is left is really fairly trite. ..Babi

And I've always thought everyone was out of step except me.

Just goes to show you what discerning folks we seniornetters are. WE can sure tell when the emperor has no clothes!

Brown builds an interesting plausible case, but has anyone done any googling to check out the validity of some of that stuff? Especially about some of the details of that painting of the Last Supper? Or did he make it all up?

Been watching the hearings. Seems things have changed somewhat since my government days ---we no longer integrate, we fuse. And it seems the result is sometimes con-fusion. And we don't move, we migrate. Talk about beaurocraticese!!!! Some of those guys are unbelievable. All trying to cover their rears BEFORE they answer questions.

I have another one for you. Has anyone read Jane Isenberg's books?

I read her first one titled "Mood Swings to Murder" about Elvis Pressley look alights. Just finished the second titled "Midlife can be Murder". these are light reading, comedy mixed with murder.

I recommend these highly and hope to check for others. I get my books from the library and will check in the regional library for others.

If there are any Jewish readers out there, do read them as the characters are Jewish and it all blends. I am no Jewish but think anyone will enjoy these. Let me know if anyone read them and if there are other titles by her. good books to read if depressed - you will start laughing at their antics.

have fun - JO

Forgot to mention in my last post. Re Ed Koch the beloved mayor of NYC. Unfortunately, I did not live in NYC while he was mayor but heard a lot about him from friends, etc. therefore, when I found his books in the library which browsing for other authors, I checked one out. Of course, living most of my life in NYC and upper NY, I am familiar with the areas he covers.

I read all I found and believe me, I think everyone will love his books. more so, of course, if you know NYC. try them you will love him. JO

Peter Abresch, the writer of the Elderhostel mysteries, has a new book out, "Painted Lady". I haven't read it yet (John has it).

JEANLOCK, when we were discussing "The DaVinci Code", we checked into everything. People posted links to "The Last Supper", the Knights Templar, Da Vinci, the Rose line, etc., etc.

Isenberg and Koch. (groan) I'll never live long enough to read all the books I want to!! ..Babi

I read one Isenberg and loved it. Will look for the next one.

Babi--

Can you tell me how to get to that discussion? I checked out "The Last Supper" this afternoon, and there definitely is one 'apostle' who looks more like a woman. But I was unable to discern much about the tableware, etc.

jeanlock: I'm not Babi but the DaVinci Code is in the Archives here...

Here's a link to the Readers Guide that was made from that discussion...with links, questions, etc.

Da Vinci Code Readers Guide

jane,

Thanks for the link. I've made it an icon on my desktop, and will check them all out later during 'playtime'.

Heard from several people they were disappointed with Tony Hillerman's latest (2003)book "The Sinister Pig", but I really enjoyed it. He hasn't lost his touch as far as I am concerned. Was tempted to buy "The DaVinci Code" but after reading some of the comments, I'll wait until it's available at my library. If it doesn't show up soon on the New Books shelf, I'll have to reserve it--but for now am still wading through my long list of suggestions from this forum.

I have read one title by C. J. Box, Mary Z. It is “Open Season” written in 2001, the first in the series. I’m afraid I don’t remember much about the plot, but have the impression that it was a gripping story.

I have only read one of Peter Abresch’s Elderhostel mysteries, “Bloody Bonsai” but really liked it. I was surprised to note that "Painted Lady" does not refer to restored Victorian homes, but since it is set in the Southwest, I will not complain. And the third title, “Tip a Canoe” made me wonder it if has Tyler, too!

With a title like “Who in Hell is Wanda Fuca?”, it should be funny, Jeryn. I will definitely give G.M. Ford a try. The name sounds like a merger of giant auto companies! And I also wondered if Gerald M. Ford was our former president until I read an interview with the following excerpt: “But the first time I had the chance, I sat down and began writing. I just told myself, (a) You're an English teacher, so you have some sort of mastery of the form, and (b) You've read thousands of these things, you friggin' fool; if you don't know how to write one by now, you are a sl-o-o-ow study.” I notice that there are 5 more titles in the Leo Waterman series. Has anyone tried Ford’s Frank Corso series?

I’m sorry you didn’t like Elizabeth George’s “Place of Hiding”, Pedlin. I heard it and liked it on an audio book, so maybe it listens better than it reads.

Thank you for Peter Shann Ford’s "Keeper of Dreams", Babi. Have you read any of Arthur Upfield’s Inspector Bonaparte series? Boney is half Aborigine and the books sound like they were written in the 1940’s and 1950’s, which they were. They have a peaceful, slow-moving pace about them, even though each has at least one murder, that makes them pleasant to read. And I love the glimpses into the Aborigine culture and Boney’s conflict with both sides of his heritage.

Perkie--

I love your little slogan. So true.

JANE, thank you for steering Jeanlock to the DaVinci Code archives. You saved me bumbling around trying to figure out how to do it. :>(

Perkie, Inspector Bonaparte sounds interesting. Another name for my boolist. ....Babi

PS: I'm pretty sure there was a book about restored old houses. I'm thinking the title of that one may have been "Painted Ladies". ..B

Those sound like authors I would like to look for at the library. I always loved Mayor Koch when he was judge in the People's Court. I always love to read books by authors of different cultures and settings. I think it helps to know what different people are like. I guess that's one reason I like hisorical novels.

I think John said "Painted Lady" was set in the Denver area. (He's off camping this weekend, so I can't ask him.)

You're welcome, BaBi!! ;0)

I'm half way through The Murder Room, and checked the little bio in the back of the book. Did you all know that P.D. James is 84? Good grief!!!!

Am enjoying the book a lot. The locale and characters are good. And this one follows the standard mystery format. Kill off someone, and then investigate to find out who dun it.

I'm thinking of posting a review of DaVinci Code on Amazon. I'll check later today to see if anyone else has reacted as I did.

I can't say I'm surprised at his age, Jeanlock. I can remember reading his book wa-a-a-ay back when. Actually, I was surprised to learn he was still alive! ...Babi

Babi--

P.D. James is a woman.

Jeanlock, it's been a while since I've read any P.D. James, and I haven't read many. The one I recall most "a dangerous job for a woman" is about a young woman detective. It was also on TV a year or so. Don't remember her name. Are all the P.D. James books about her, or like so many Englsih writers, does she have a favorite Inspector?

The detective I recall in P.D. James' books [and I just discovered she is Lady James] is Scotland Yard man Adam Dalgliesh

There are a couple neat websites about her:

http://www.twbooks.co.uk/authors/pdjames.html

http://www.bastulli.com/James/PDJAMES.htm

jane

Hi again from sunny se fl. the weather has been great. am reading another book of Stuart Woods titled Dirty Work. read a couple of his and I find them hard to put down. between my computer and reading, I don't have too much time for other activities. tomorrow will definitely get some walking in.

the authors you mention are a great help. I try to try as many as I can. Unfortunately, the library doesn't stock all the books of my favorite authors.

oh well, do the best I can. Take care everyone - JO

Who is the writer???

Wanted to let anyone who liked the mysteries, "Prime Suspect" starring Helen Mirren, know that its back on TV with new mystery on tonight on PBS.

Here's a link to an interview of the author of the Elderhostel mysteries, Peter ????,

Elderhostel Mysteries Author Interview

I think his name is Peter Abresch--could be wrong. It sticks in my mind as I was a host at Third Age when he published his first novel and he visited different discussions there to hype his book. Sue

Yes, it's Peter Abresch. I'm reading the new book now. It starts in Denver, and the Elderhostel is concerned with the Santa Fe Trail.

I caught the Mirren show on PBS last night, Ann. I always seem to enjoy English mysteries, perhaps because it's like visiting there. And the "Guv" is so real, warts and all.

Jeanlock, you are right of course. When I first started reading P.D. James, I assumed it was a man because of the initials. Actually, it was only recently that I learned this was a woman writer. And you know how it is with us SC's... what we learned long ago sticks better than what we learn now. <g> ...Babi

Babi--

Actually, we're lucky if ANYthing sticks now.

Well, I take a few days off and have to start a new list from all the wonderful suggestions here! For sure, I will never lack for an idea for a mystery to read!

Perkie, Who in Hell is Wanda Fuca? IS indeed amusing to read... the detective's friends are a hoot! The title is a pun... remember, it takes place in Seattle. [That's a hint... ] I've rarely liked mysteries that are also supposed to be funny but I thought this one was pretty good.

From a recommendation on this page, I'm now reading one of James Doss' whodunits, The Shaman Sings... quite intriguing so far but I had to skip over a rather grisly description of a corpse.

I love that title, "Who in the Hell is Wanda Fuca?" as I have been to the place that it refers to, up off the Washington peninsula. You know, the straits of Juan deFuca?? Gorgeous beaches on the straits which run between the peninsula and Victoria.

Good for you, Ann! I didn't tumble to the pun until I actually read that part of the story! Hey, are you coming to visit your granddaughter anytime this year?

I am making plans to come to Portland next year in March. We have reservations for going to Hawaii and on the return trip, we hope to visit our granddaughter for 3 or 4 days. I will let you know when the time gets closer.

How come no Minette Walters on the list of masters???

I guess because she is kinda new, Harper, but I think she is one of the best.

Thanks for the tip-off, Ann. Way down here in the boondocks, I didn't know of Juan DeFuca Straits, and thought that was a really odd title!

..Babi

I stayed up until the wee hours last night to read Dennis Lehane's Mystic River. I just got this book on the reserve list from the library in my new town. I wanted to read it after seeing the comments in this discussion. I think the last few pages are a lead-in to a sequel. I'm going to search the archives for the discussion of this book. Sue

I thought that the movie was just another rework of "The Godfather" series with Sean Penn playing the godfather or his son, so sure there could be a sequel or three or four. :<))

Lehane would be a fool not to take advantage of that possibility! I'd want to read it, sight unseen! Wouldn't you?

I think I would like to read a sequel, Jeryn, with Sean trying to get the goods on Jimmy. Lehane knows how to twist a plot, that's for sure.

Ann, I haven't seen the movie, but Jimmy seemed like an upstanding citizen for a while--at least I thought so. Maybe he's like the character in the Godfather who was the son who didn't want to be a criminal but became the worst one after the hit on the Italian wife (or was that his lover)? I don't remember as it's been a long time. sue

They were married. She was blown up in the car in an attempt on his life. He really loved her. But he had committed murder before when he hit the rival boss and the police captain in the restaurant. That's why he was in Sicily.

Oscar

Wow, whatta memory, Oscar! I can remember that scene vividly now that you've repainted it for us. Al Pacino played that part, right?

Thanks, Oscar. I saw the first movie and read the book, too, but couldn't remember the details. Sue

You are correct. I think his character's name in the movie was Michael Corleone.

Oscar

I think I may be the only adult in the country who did not watch the Godfather movies. It is undoubtedly a major gap in my education, but the sort of things I was hearing about I really didn't want to see! ...Babi

Babi--

I read the first book. And never watched the movie. Didn't want to deal with the scene with the horse's head. Yikes!!!!!!

I've just finished The Murder Room by P.D. James. To my mind (after reading the Elizabeth George book) James produced a classic police procedural. I enjoyed it very much.

I've never seen them either, BaBi and jeanlock. I'll confess to never having seen the Rocky movies either.

Mary Z--

I was just thinking about Stallone the other day. I did see the first Rocky, but never any others.

I can't remember who recommended Peter Robinson's Inspector Banks series, but I am enjoying the second one in the series. There are 16 of them listed in my local library. Babi I'm probably the 2nd adult who never watched or read the "Godfather" series. LOL

The Godfather books, movies, series... classics now but shocking in their day. A dead horse's head, ewww gasp!

I too, managed to avoid Rocky AND Stallone at least. Not a sport I admire at all.

I'm reading an amusing whodunit, veddy British, by Leo Bruce and recommended in this forum. Death at Hallows End. I like the detective and it's fun to read all those Britishisms!

FlaJean,

I too am just getting acquainted with Peter Robinson. I read Wednesday's Child recently and now A Dedicated Man. I tried to start with the first in the series, but our library doesn't have it and when I tried interlibrary loan, the library in the system that had it won't lend it - maybe not in good shape? They lend the others.

N

MARYZ, were you referring to the Stallone "Rocky" series, or to the 'Rocky Horror' movies? NEVER watched the latter. I thought the original 'Rocky' wasn't bad; ignored the follow-ups. ..Babi

I meant I hadn't seen the Stallone movies, I have no sympathy for anything to do with boxing. But I didn't see the Rocky Horror movies either. They were definitely for a different generation, IMO.

I just finished The Giant's House by Elizabeth McCracken. I don't know that I would recommend it but did find it interesting. It is about a boy who had Gigantism and the lonely town librarian who befriended him. It has touches of humor in the ironic way the librarian describes herself and things that happen in her life and pathos for the boy who is regarded as a freak after he becomes 8 feet tall.

Just out of curiosity, Babi, I looked up 'Painted ladies' in the Library of Congress online catalog. I found a mystery about prostitutes by James Neal Harvey and a work of fiction by H.R. Percy written in 1983. I also found books about artists models, Victorian houses, butterflies, military planes nose cone decorations, and miniature needlework. No mysteries about Victorian houses.

I, too, enjoyed the Carolus Deene series by Leo Bruce, Jeryn. I have read "Death at St. Asprey’s School", "Death At Hallows End", "Our jubilee is death" and "Such is Death". It is obvious that they were written in the 1960's by their leisurely pace and lack of overt violence.

A somewhat scholarly mystery about the forgery of famous artists is "Death of an Old Master" by David Dickinson. I really liked the way the story unfolded. It is set in England in the 1890's and hads well developed characters. I really liked the investigator, Lord Francis Powerscourt and his feisty wife, Lady Lucy.

In the mid-sixties, during the interval between marriages, I lived what should have been my teen or college years. Remember standing in line in the freezing cold with a date for the midnight showing of Rocky Horror. Don't remember the movie, but do remember the cold.

I havn´t been in here for ages it seems, read so many books i can´t remember but i will, we still have some good crime writers around .

Hey....roidininki, it's good to see you back here!!!

Now, don't go disappearing on us again like that. We miss you when you don't post!!

jane

You see i just thought of a new one... Secret Smile by Nicci French. Strictly speaking the author's cheating, it is a combination of the 2 authors... names of Nicci and French.Those of you who have read previous titles will not be disappointed.

I hope that Mystic River was a stand alone. He does do a series that is quite interesting set in the area with two PI's.. Very violent, but excellent. I am reading my way through them now. P.D. James originally wrote about Cordelia.. who was a P.i. She later started the Dalgiesh series. She is quite a good writer. Hmm. I saw all of the Godfather series and loved them.. None of the Rocky ( boxer) stuff, since I dislike boxing.. Also none of the Roots on TV.. Dont like miniseries and have seen very few of them. On the Other hand, saw most of the miniseries on PBS for years.

Perkie, the "Painted Ladies" I was thinking was not a mystery. To the best of my recollection, it was a non-fiction book about old houses, their restoration, and all their painted pastel glory. ...Babi

In Charleston, SC, there is a row of homes facing the water which were shops with living quarters above and when they were restored(after the hurricane of '89 or '90, they were done in many pastels and named "the Painted Ladies". I have the "Shelia" collection of them. I think there are nine and I stand corrected. This row is known as "Rainbow Row". They were built in the 1700's.

Back to mysteries, I noticed that Martha Grimes has a new one out at B&N. Would you call them 'cosies'?

Maybe. I enjoyed several of Martha Grimes' Jury/Plant series, but then I began to be a bit bored with them. The themes were rather repetitious. ...Babi

Babi, I feel the same about Martha Grimes. They just got a bit tedious.. Same old characters saying the exact same old things. A shame since it started out interesting. Sort of funny. I picked up a mystery.. "Crow in Stolen Colors" by Marcia Simpson. It is about Alaska and since I love mysteries or anything in that part of the world, I bought it. It is good although a bit longer than it should be. Interesting plot which involves Indians and natives and how they feel about one another. I think she is a new writer.

"Crow in Stolen Colors" sounds interesting. If you love Alaska, join us in RUBBISH. The subject for the week is Alaska and Canada.

Two other Alaska mystery writers I like are Dana Stabinow and Sue Henry

Loved Dana, do not like Sue.. However there is also a male writer.. Cannot remember the first name, but the last is( I think) Strahle.. Writes about Sitka and lives there. Most interesting writer indeed.

I just finished one by N. Barr, and three by Susan W. Albert (I am really enjoying her's - they also have recipe's).

I'm in the middle of Albert's Indigo one and enjoying it immensely. I'll be reading more of her books!

jane

I am very impressed!

I haven't seen any mention of Anne Perry but due to my library discussion group, I am reading one now and its not bad. A new author for me!

After reading the post in here about What The Hell Happened to Wanda Fuca I raced (well hurried down to my book store) but couldn't find it. I will though. I got two of Fords books and read Cast In Stone and enjoyed it. It so much fun to read a book about places you have been and where you live.

Also read Deadly Grace by Taylor Smith. Its called in intelligent thriller what ever that means. It was good a lot of it was about World War Two and the things that went on behind the scenes.

Judy, the correct title is Who in Hell is Wanda Fuca? Would that help? I'm eager to try some of his other titles.

But for now, we are moving again and I'm trying during breaks from packing to read The Bookman's Promise, the new John Dunning. It's difficult to concentrate, even on a good mystery, when moving day is now 9 days away and counting!

The Library just sent me a Anne Perry to read, something about Tide. Sorry I don't remember the exact title.

Thanks Jane with me anything thats close is good hehe

Are you moving to permanent residence??? like the home??? hahahaha!

Hey, Ms Judy!! How the heck are you??

Oh Jeryn, you are moving faster than we are. We are moving on June 1st, but since it is simply about 100 miles, we do it all in one day according to the mover. I am at the stage of packing where everything I want is probably packed. Everything I dont need seems to be in front of me. I am reading a Mary Daheim.."Alpine Nemesis". I have read some others in this series, but truthfully not a favorite of mine. I have also started the Anna Quindlen Blessings, but stopped because I just cannot care about the characters.. Probably me.

I don't know, Steph. I had trouble with Anna Quindlen, too. I got so far and found I really didn't care what happened next. Not our type, maybe. ...Babi

Stephanie: I agree. Daheim's bed and breakfast series is much better.

Ann, we certainly HOPE it's a permanent residence! We've bought a condo.

Stephanie moving also?! May we know where to? Why is it, even with careful planning, the things already packed are ALWAYS the very things you need now!???

I read a cute novella by that Mary Daheim... something about being mother of a bride and two grooms, all weddings on the same day. Not really a mystery but sorta cute.

Yes, I like the Bed and Breakfast by Daheim. Not sure why I do not consider Emma and the Alpine newspaper, not nearly the fun. We are moving to a townhouse. Just do not want the care of the big house any more. Also with the 5th wheel, we travel quite a bit and this way we wont worry about leaving so much. We have security gates, security systems. sprinklers, etc. etc. Started a Jonathon Kellerman.. I think it was the 2003 one.. He and Robin are split and he is seeing Allison? Also Petra from Billy Straight is in it as well as Alex. Interesting thus far.

Have a good move, Stephanie. We're moving from a townhouse rental to an all-one-floor condo which is actually larger than the townhouse. I'm looking forward to one-floor living for the first time in many years.

I've added Mary Daheim to my lengthy list...

We also are moving into a new, one-floor condo. It is actually a few sq. ft. larger than our 4-BR house. In Punta Gorda, FL.

We will be off the net for about a week while we are being packed for our move. Lorra sold my computer stand to a UCF student and he will pick it up this afternoon.

Oscar

Hope all goes well on YOUR move too, Oscar! I'm looking forward to condo living... can't be that much different than having a homeowner's association... can it? Comments welcome.

Surprise, I finished The Bookman's Promise this afternoon. Not a good book to read when your mind is tending to wander anyway. At least not for me. Too much history and rather tediously done, at that. But maybe it was just bad timing for me.

I'm going back to the little book of 4 novellas called Motherhood is Murder which is about all I can handle this week! Friday the 14th = Moving Day!

And by the way... Happy Mothers' Day to All Us Mothers!

Oscar,

Didn't realize you were from Punta Gorda. You don't happen to know someone named 'Mendenhall', do you?

First or last name? I'm not yet from Punta Gorda, but will be by Friday <grin>. I don't know your friend, but will be happy to check it out. I have a friend who is a life-long resident of Punta Gorda.

Oscar

The classic mystery novel "Rebecca"--Daphne du Maurier--has been moved to the "Coming Individual Book Discussions." Please join us in this timeless classic.

Bill H

Have you read any of the Susan Wittig Albert books. They are really good. I would call them cozy's. Indigo Dying is the next one I am going to read.

Oscar,

There's no need to check it out; just thought you might have come across him. I went out with him once in highschool; then a couple of years ago he turned up on Classmates.com and I sent him an e-mail and we've corresponded ever since. He writes for one of the NASCAR publications.

We are joining all you movers,we have been transferred to Alabama but as yet dont know what we'll be living in. Made an exploratory trip there last week and I got to read quite a few books on the way there and back. Someone mentioned RETT MacPHERSON and I just finished A Comedy of Heirs.Definitely a cozy but pretty funny too. I also read the newest Hamish McBeth mystery Death of a Poison Pen by M.C. BEATON. Love that series. HEATHER GRAHAM kept me entertained on the drive back with Dead on the Dance Floor. And I discovered a new (to me) British Police Mystery Series. The author is PETER ROBINSON. I have read In A Dry Season and am starting to read Cold Is The Grave.Sure hope they have a good library where we are going. Barb

Gram62, if you are moving near Auburn, Alabama, send me an e-mail. Perhaps we could meet for coffee. Sue, formerly of SpringCreekFarm, now of Auburn.

Sue, I dont know where Auburn is, I'm not too familiar with the area yet. We will be in the Anniston/Oxford area. Is it close??

No, Auburn is in the eastern section of the Central portion of the state. I think Anniston is farther north. We're between Montgomery and Columbus, Georgia, on I 85. However, when you get down here and settled perhaps I could come halfway to meet you somewhere. Joan Grimes and Theron live in Alabama, too, closer to Anniston I think. Visit the Alabama discussion and see if there is anyone closer. It hasn't been very active lately as Joan has not been well. Good luck with your move. Sue

Hi to all - been awhile getting back to seniornet except for checking the discussions on digital cameras. I love african violets but here in FL have trouble growing them. finally went back to my own way and this time got them blooming. I join Yahoo african violets clubs and they have a virtual AF show on the computer. you guessed it, I went out and bought a basic camera. don't know anything about it but am learning. also bought a cd R CRW - good buy so am being kept busing learning what I can.

however, I keep up with my mystery reading. Just wanted to recommend Jayne Ann Krentz to you. her books are light, a little romance but always with an intriquing mystery. I enjoy them immensely. If anyone has read them let me know if you all agree with me. sometimes it is good to relax with a good light mystery. I'll tell you the mystery part of it really keeps me guessing.

Best to all. hope you all have a wonderful summer. our weather has been strange, cooler than usual for a much longer time.

JO

Yogagirl, I have exactly six pots of African violets, sitting in the only spot in the house where they can thrive. No room for any more. But they are so lovely; range in color from palest lavender to blue, to deep purple, with a gorgeous pink to set them off.

I think you will find a lot of Krentz readers here. I here the name mentioned often. ...Babi

I finally snagged a copy of "Wanda Fuca" and will be taking it on vacation to SC next week. I hope its a good beach read!!

Ah, me! I have to stay off beaches. The sand is too unstable for my feet, and 10-15 minutes of sun will burn me. Anybody going to the woods for a vacation?

Actually, I'm going to Cincinnati the first of June to visit my other daughter. That will be my trip for the year. (I no longer say 'vacation', since I'm not doing anything to take a vacation from.)

Have a great time, Ann. ...Babi

The reading schedule for REBECCA has been posted.
Rebecca

Bill H

Folks, if you've never read Rebecca, just Do It! It's a wonderful, spooky mystery! Wish I had time to read it again.

Jeryn, thank you.

Bill H

I picked up three books in a used bookstore... I'd really enjoy hearing if any of you have read and, if so, what did you think of them?

Under the Knife by Tess Gerritsen... a totally new author to me

High Country, Nevada Barr's latest... set in Yosemite NP

Candyland by Evan Hunter and Ed McBain

I just finished one my Neveda Barr a couple of days ago - lost the name of it already, sorry. It was about the National Peace Park between Canada and the US.... I was there, so beautiful. If you ever get the chance go there but in Aug. or Sept. because it is cool there. Or be prepared with jackets. Shows a bear on the front of the book. Maybe it was called Bear Country.

I read several books by Tess Gerritson last month. I cant tell you which ones because my notebooks are packed, but I know I enjoyed this author who was new to me too. I have taken all my books back to the library but have left a few out for evening reading and for the trip. Perhaps I'll get the new Nevada Barr to entertain myself with on the 700 mile ride.

I think the High Country might be the new Nevada Barr. I have read all of hers thus far.. Dont like Tess. She does medical thrillers. The Evan McBain sounds familiar. He writes tons of books under several names.

I loved Ed McBain's 87th precinct mysteries. I fondly remember Det. Carella and his lovely, delightful mute wife, and his buddy Meyer Meyer. Nostalgia! ...Babi

Well, thanks all, for the prompt responses to my inquiry!

I'm reading the Gerritsen first... it moves right along with a nice plot but seems to be a lot of romantic stuff. Not quite my cup of tea, even in a mystery, but I'll stick to the end now. Gotta see "whodunit"! Would you call her stuff "romance", Barb? Say, when are you moving?

Yes, High Country is Barr's latest, published this year, Stephanie. Can't believe I found it in a used bookstore for $3.50! Maybe it's not so good?

Yep, I read Bear Country, FrancyLou, or whatever it was called! I thought it was quite interesting.

My husband always liked the 87th Precinct novels, too, BaBi so is reading the Evan Hunter/Ed McBain novel. Struck me right away because I KNEW they were the same guy! Who were they trying to kid saying it was written by these TWO writers??! A gimick to sell books, I guess.

I loved the 87th Precinct Novels also!

You all have to try the Susan W. Albert Mystery's - they are cozy's but good. You know like N. Barr.

I prefer the lawyer ones of Ed McBains.. It is Sarasota that he uses for background. Actually the author lives at least part of the year in Sarasota. They have plays on FairyTales for titles. I suspect the Evan-Ed is that he is using protagonists from both of his series.

FrancyLou, do you mean N. Barr is good like Albert, or of the cozy type like Albert? The Anna Pigeon novels never really struck me as a "cozy" series.

Thanks for that info, Stephanie. I had not known that Ed McBain had another series... writing AS Ed McBain? He must be the most prolific author alive!

I agree with Jeryn. Barr is mor of a "Tough Gal" type. But I agree that both Barr and Albert are good. I also like the series that Albert and her husband write under the name of Robin Paige. They are victorians, and always contain a minor historical character (such as Mr. Rolls and Mr. Royce, or Beatrix Potter)

I'm thoroughly enjoying Alexander McCall Smith's delightful series 'The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency'.

Nettie, ---Me too. It is easy to read in bed, a story at a time. I found it at our library book sale.

I've read three of Alexander McCall Smith's series about the "Ladies Detective Agency" and thoroughly enjoyed them. I don't know if a new one has been published. If so, our local library doesn't have it.

I have just started the #1 Detective series. There are five according to the publishers page.

I am reading the 4th (my library ordered it for me) and the 5th is now on order for me. I love these books and my wonderful library!

I see Michael Connelly has a new Harry Bosch mystery out. Cant wait till I get settled and locate a copy. Jeryn, we're moving the 14th of June. How does one accumulate so much stuff in 4 years? Cant wait to get moved and settled.

Nice to see so many posting here and all recommending something wonderful to read... love it! JoanK, thanks for mentioning Robin Paige... a new one to me. So many of these authors write under more than one name.

I'm eager to try the Ladies Detective Agency series too as so many are singing praises for it. I guess I'll have to reserve it; #1 is never in at my library.

I'm also reserving that new M. Connelly, Barb! That's a must. I've read every one of the Harry Bosch series up till now. You are going to be bu-sy for a while with moving day in two weeks. It's such a hullabaloo in one's life but worth it, you will say, in about four weeks! What is taking you south? Weather?? That's what pushed us out of Ohio!

A new Nevada Barr in a used book store already, Jeryn? I didn’t even know there was a new one! Oh, boy, Yosemite. Maybe the one you read is “Blood Lure”, FrancyLou. It takes place in Glacier National Park and has a lot about bears in it.

I read my first James Patterson, “When the Wind Blows”, and found the plot intriquing, but the pace seemed to drag at times and it was my desire to find out what happened to the children that kept me going. I don’t know if I will try him again or not.

I am having the same problem with “Murder on Washington Square” by Victoria Thompson. I like the local of late 1800’s New York City but don’t find plot all that compelling or the characters very interesting. At the same time, I do want to find out who done it and why, which is still obscure in spite of a lot of speculation on the part of the midwife and the detective.

I'm a Nevada Barr behind. Reading "Flashback" about the Dry Tortugas. Much more interesting plot than her Mississippi books, alternating Anna Pigeon in the present with some letters from after the Civil War, when those accused of Lincoln's assasination were imprisoned there. Almost too much plot, as it goes from one crisis to another.

I read and like Victoria Thompson, but you're right she could put more life into her people and the descrption of the times.

N. Barr is not really a suspense or a cozy - kind of inbetween you are right. I am way off in my series of N. Barr books - the Library must of sent my next 4 to someone else, so I'll have to go back because I did not get Blood Lure, and I already finished Flashback. I just finished the Watchers by Dean Koontz believe it or not it was not really a thriller it was more of a "sci fi" but very good.

Jeryn, I was sorry to hear your take on Bookman's Paradise. Maybe it didn't jibe with all your moving preparations. I've always liked John Dunning and was so happy to hear about his new one. Will probably wait for the paperback.

Stephanie, Mary Daheim is a favorite of mine, although I haven't tried the bed and breakfast series, only the Alpine. A few years ago I heard her talk about her Alpine books, particularly her latest (?) - Alpine Obit, while visiting my Seattle daughter.

Am currently visiting family in DC area and Virginia. The Washington Post has had a few articles about two young Princeton graduates who have written a mystery "The Rule of Four," about 4 Princeton men and a rare book. In Charlottesville (or was it DC) a blurb about a new author who had written a local mystery -- Anne Mullen. Has anyone else heard anything about those.

A friend whose daughter lives in the Richmond area lent me the first in an historical mystery series by Anne McMillan -- they take place in Richmond during the Civil War. Can't remember the titles.

Good luck to all of you who are moving. Sounds like a lot of you. Hope they all go smoothe as silk.

My boredom with John Dunning's book could certainly be blamed on preoccupation, pedln! We were getting ready to move, not much time to read, and I probably wanted [more than usual] to just "get on with it"! <BG>

Please don't be discouraged from reading it, ANYONE. Especially if you liked the author before.

I'm now moved, relaxed, enjoying our new condo AND the latest Nevada Barr very much. I think she's back on track with this one. High Country... it's set in Yosemite NP.

Flashback wasn't one of her best, IMO. I did like Blood Lure that some of you have mentioned recently here.

I have gotten behind on Nevada Barr because I bought it and can thus read it whenever I want to, but keep putting it aside because when I go to the library I am like a kid in a candy store with unlimited credit.

I have the new John Dunning on my list, as you suggest, Jeryn, because I have enjoyed his books in the past.

I just finished my second Commissario Guido Brunetti mystery by Donna Leon. It is titled "A Noble Radiance" and takes place in modern Venice. Some of the descriptions of places in Venice sounded so familiar that I went back to my list and discovered I have read an earlier title, "Death at La Fenice". Leon is interesting to read, rather leisurely paced, with a well planned plot. Not really a cosy, but has some of that level of comfort in the reading.

Go to the book exchange here. There is 1 mystery you can get from Barbara for postage!

Oh YESSS, Bluebird! Thanks for reminding us of the Book Exchange. The link is in our heading but needs updated. I'll go take care of that.

LOTS of books there to choose from and all merely for the price of the postage!

Thanks for the hint on "A Noble Radiance". I picked it up at the library to see what it was, but was going to return it, since I have a lot of other things to read. I'll move it up in the queue.

I've just finished High Country, Nevada Barr's newest episode in the life of Anna Pigeon. Whew! That went fast!! Super Anna gets her man, and a few others too! A good read, though rather incredible.

Wow! I just finished "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown. Our library system has 100 copies and there are still waiting lists! I have not been so gripped by a story in a long time. I am surprised that it is not on the Vatican Black List. Or is it?

I counteracted the intensity by reading "Death of a Dustman" by M.C. Beaton. It is my 15th Hamish MacBeth and I still like Lochbudh. Hamish lost his sargeant's stripes again, but he still has his job and his station. He seemed to be in a fog for the first part of the story, but came through in the end, as usual.

I also relaxed with "An Imperfect Spy" by Amanda Cross. I like Kate Fansler and her husband, especially their repartee. The quotes at the head of the chapters were all from Le Carre's Smiley series, and the one who was "playing" spy was named Harriet. For those of you who like children’s literature, do you think this was a coincidence?

With the popularity of The DaVinci Code, some of Dan Brown's earlier books are also on best seller lists... has anyone here read Angels and Demons? Is it as controversial as the Code?

I've heard of but never read those Harriet the Spy books, Perkie. Do you think as a grown-up. I could read them and enjoy them? Do you know the author? I like a nice Amanda Cross once in a while... I would bet she has tongue in cheek there, naming her spy "Harriet"!

I really thought Angels and Demons was better than the Code - but they were both excellant.

"Angels and Demons" was one I picked up at the library and put down again, thinking 'maybe,later'. I'll put it on the 'definitely' list now, Francy.

I'm reading an Anne Perry, "Belgrave Square". I always enjoy her Victorian Charlotte and Thomas Pitt stories, and this one is especially good. The ladies will be enthralled, and exhausted, at the details of Victorian laundry. <bg> ...Babi

Finished Jack and Jill by James Patterson. It is an older book but I enjoyed it. Not enough Alex Cross in it for me but very enjoyable.

Jeryn, I found Harriet, the Spy a poignant and thought provoking book, especially for pre-teens who were having problems with self confidence. Harriet was a bright heroine who got caught up in snooping where she shouldn't have been. She learned a lesson or two about prying. Sue

I too, enjoyed Angels and Demons and read another by him...had to do with computers, I think.

Thanks, SCSue. I think I'd better try it!

Also adding Angels and Demons to the list; thanks Francy!

For now, I've picked up an old Reginald Hill. People keep recommending him so thought I'd try one.

I read the first of the Precious series, but was not overly impressed. Definitely a library read for me. Would not buy it. Anna, I have not read the latest of hers. The Dry Tortugas was interesting because we went there several years ago and it is truly a spooky sort of place.So alone.. Working on the lates Tempe Brennan in paperback. This one seems centered on North Carolina for a change..Although her policeman comes to visit. All about endangered species.

I've been reading mysteries with a musical theme--or at least with something musical in the title--for my book club discussion next week at the library. I've finished Stray Kat Waltz by Karen Kijewski and Devil's Waltz by Jonathan Kellerman. Not much music in either, but the action goes back and forth in each like a waltz or at least some kind of dance. You think one person might be the criminal and then you're sent in another direction.

I'm about to finish The Day the Music Died by Ed Gorman. It starts on the day Buddy Holly died. The protagonist is a young lawyer/investigator, Sam McCain, a big rock and roll fan. This book has lots of musical references, 3 murders so far, and is cleverly done. I'm going to read Gorman's Wake Up Little Susie next. I think I find both of these mysteries appealing because these were the songs I danced to when young.

I've enjoyed all 3 so far and am anxious to see what the other group members read and how music figured into the plot. Has anyone else read these books? Gorman is new to me but has evidently written lots of mysteries with different heroes. I've read Kijewski and Kellerman in the past and have enjoyed them, too, although sometimes Kellerman is a bit spooky and I don't sleep well afterwards. Sue

Ed Gorman....new to me, thanks, Sue, I'm adding him to my library list.

Watching the WNBA games, Sue??

I'm reading my first Sherri Tepper, and finding it enjoyable but fairly lightweight. ...Babi

SECOND THOUGHTS! Having read for another day in the Sherri Tepper book, ("Death for Old Times Sake"), I find myself increasingly annoyed with it. Early on, a piece of information surfaces that any self-respecting investigator would have listed as top priority for follow-up. Our heroine cop, Grace, doesn't react to it at all. My opinion of her detecting skills went wa-a-a-y down.

The victim was found with a note in her pocket saying that she was dead because she "interfered". Now, 2/3 of the way thru' the book, enough hints have been dropped to make it fairly obvious what is was she 'interfered' with, but our dynamic duo of Jason and Grace are still wandering around looking dumb and dumber. Pity. ...Babi

Methinks you have become too sophisticated for the likes of Sheri Tepper, BaBi! <BG>

I finished Pictures of Perfection by Reginald Hill. It's a picture of a perfect British farce! Snickering and smirking all the way through it, I thoroughly enjoyed it even though there's not much mystery to it. I'd recommend it, but only if you're in the mood to smile, rather than solve a puzzle.

Sheri Tepper writes really good Sci-fi.. Very woman oriented. Never read her mysteries.

I like good Sci-Fi, Stephanie. I'll see if I like Tepper better in that genre. ...Babi

I'm enjoying my latest book so much, just have to share even though I've not finished it yet. It's by Jane Langton, Murder at Monticello. I think it's clever the way she has chosen the epigraphs to complement the story. If you have even the remotest interest in the adventures of American explorers, Lewis and Clark, be sure to find this one!

Her books seem to be on the "cozy" side but fun to read with elements of a real mystery to keep you going.

The "Rebecca" discussion opens tomorrow, June, 15, 2004. Hope all of you join in.

Bill H

Finished Murder at Monticello this morning. I still recommend it if you are up for a delightful little fantasy-mystery! Unbelievable but still enjoyable.

And this afternoon, what a treat! Went to see the latest Harry Potter movie. WELL DONE. I'm hooked on those things. I just hope the kids don't outgrow the roles before they get all the movies made. And that the author comes through with those last two in time!!! Lot of IFS here...

If you want to be very entertained, I highly recommend reading the Harry Potter books. Too good to be just for children.

The "Rebecca" discussion is now open for your posts. Please follow this link:
REBECCA

Bill H

JERYN: I agree with you about both Harry Potter and Jane Langdon. Don't miss her other books. I think my favorite is "Murder at the gardner" about a small art gallery in Boston. She always bases her books on a painting, piece of music, or literature, or a building. Her writing style is unique.

I read the Donna Leon book recommended earlier, about Venice and enjoyed it very much. I'll look for more. It is similiar to a series I've read in the past about Florence. I can't remember the author. (Langdon also wrote a mystery in Venice "The Thief of Venice").

I've just started "Crouching Buzzard, Leaping Loon". What a hoot. The buzzard has shown up already, I can't wait to see how she gets in the loon. Don't expect serious analysis here, but very funny.

OHO! I've got to read that book, Joan. "Crouching Buzzard, Leaping Loon"??? Which of the authors you were writing about wrote this one? I do like mysteries with wit. ...Babi

Crouching Buzzard?? Oh I do need to read the book. Love the title. Who was the author??

Sorry, senior moment there. "Crouching Buzzard, Leaping Loon" is by Donna Andrews, part of te Meg Langslow series ("Murder with Peacocks, Murder with Puffins). If you've read those, you know her brother was designing a computer game called "Lawyers from Hell". He now is selling it through a computer company. She works there: part of her job is to keep their pet buzzard happy so he doesn't throw up his lunch. I doubt that Andrews can keep up the pace, but the beginning is hilareous. (and ornithologically accurate. That is what buzzards do when they are attacked. NEVER make a buzzard mad at you!! We'll see if this one throws up on the murderer).

Jeryn and JoanK -- I'm a Jane Langton fan. Is Murder at Monticello a new one -- not familiar with it. Is it a "Homer Kelly" book? I've liked just about all the Jane Langton books I've read and think the one about building the church organ (can't remember the title) is my favorite. I loved "Murder at the Gardner," JoanK, but was disappointed in the actions of Mary Kelly in "Thief of Venice."

The Donna Leon books, about Venice and Florence -- are they historical or contemporary? I usually stay away from historical mysteries, buy really liked Matthew Pearl's "Dante Club."

PEDLIN: Yes, Murder at Montecello is (I think) the latest one. I didn't think it was as good as her others. I was disappointed in Thief of Venice too when I first read it, but read it again and liked it better.

The Donna Leon (A Noble Radiance)is about modern Venice, and the other series about Florence is modern too (can anyone remember the author? I think it starts with N). My library didn't have any more by Leon, but Amazon lists half a dozen more in the series.

pedln, Murder at Monticello does feature Homer Kelly, was published 2001. I've read three or four others of Langtons and enjoyed them all except I remember becoming rather wearied by Dead as a Dodo. Don't now remember why.

I finished this hot book, The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency, and was quite disappointed. It reads like a book written for teenagers. A little too sweet and simplistic for my taste. The parts that reveal a bit of what it's like to live in Botswana are rather interesting, if you're interested in Africa. But I fail to see why this book has become so popular.

I'd like to hear from some others who have read this book...

I read Kathy Hogan Trocheck's Irish Eyes yesterday. If you like Callahan Gerrity, Mother Edna, and the House Mouse cleaning group, you'll enjoy this one. Sue

I liked "The No, 1 Ladies Detective Agency" and have read the others in the series. The humor is very gentle and gives the books a unique feel, that I guess you either like a lot or don't. It does seem a little patronizing at times.

I haven't read "Irish Eyes" but like Trochek. I'll look for it.

I have made my claim for "Crouching Buzzard, Leaping Loon" when it arrives at the library. Meanwhile, I am reading Sharon McCrumb's Rosewood Casket. Since the 'mystery' involves events about 75 years in the past, there's a certain lack of urgency in the matter. But as a depiction of the land, history and culture of East Tennessee, it is excellent reading. ...Babi

“Angels and Demons” is very popular in our library, FrancyLou. There are numerous copies in the system and the are all out or on hold. Guess I will have to wait awhile. I did read “Digital Fortress” and found that the build-up of suspense had me reading faster and faster!

I have read 5 of Jane Langton’s Homer Kelly series and like Homer and Mary. Murder at the Gardner is the next one in the series and I look forward to trying it. If they are not cozies, they are close and enjoyable reading.

The very things you didn’t like about “The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency” are the things that attract me to the series, Jeryn. I like the history and description of Botswana and find the tempo of their lives, which is so much slower than ours, to be appealing. And I like the sweetness and concern for people that governs the interactions of most of the characters.

“Harriet the Spy” was written in 1964 by Louise Fitzhugh. If you don’t like books written for young people, Jeryn, you might not like this one. I read it as part of a children’s literature course when I was in my 30’s and was amused by Harriet’s antics.

I love the Thomas and Charlotte Pitt mysteries, BaBi, and have read all of them. I also read the William and Hester Monk series, but don’t like them as well, although the latest one, “The ShiftingTide”, was placed in the docks of London and was quite interesting. Anne Perry has started a new series which takes place during WW I. The first title is “No Graves As Yet”. I haven’t read it as yet. Has anyone else?

I watched “Skinwalker” on American Mystery! the other night and counted the points where Robert Redford’s movie touched base with Tony Hillerman’s story. There were four. The cat did come in through the cat door, but it was a pet cat and it was not at the beginning of the story. Chee was shot at while in his trailer, but it was a double-wide, not an airstream type, and the shooter was a man and not a woman. Chee was later shot in the side by the perpetrator, who was a doctor but his reasons for his crimes were entirely different. The rest of the story has never been in any of Hillerman’s books. I really liked Chee, but Leaphorn was all wrong. I know, don’t hold back, tell me what you really think.

Ahh Babi.. Rosewood CAsket made me cry.. It was a lovely lovely book. So sad but a good good book. I do like this line of Sharon McCrumb.. Not too crazy about the Elizabeth McPherson ones. I too did not particularly like the Number One Agency.. The evocation of modern day Africa was nice though.

Finished Four Blind Mice, I just love those books.

Perkie and JoanK, I liked The Ladies No. 1 Detective Agency for some of the same reasons you gave -- the gentleness of it, and the way the characters treated one another -- almost formally and with respect. And of course the cultural aspects. I ashamed to say I did not know where Botswana was -- didn't realize it right next to South Africa.

I, too, enjoyed them for their gentle, sweet insights and information about an area I knew not much about. I did get out my Atlas and looked at a few internet sites for Botswana.

Number one Ladies Detective: I too have to say that I started out wondering what was so great about them - so many of my friends were saying how much they liked them. Then as the others came along, I began to really like Precious and her gentleness and concern for others, and her superior attitude when it came to knowing how to fix things. I have sent my copies to my sister and SIL, and they both pass them on. Go figure! isak

Thanks, all of you, for your opinions on this popular series about the Ladies' Detective Agency in Botswana. Takes all kinds and I am in the minority! I didn't like those very popular books by Jan Karon either!

If we all had the same taste, life would be pretty boring... but then, we wouldn't know any better, I guess. Variety is the spice of life.

I'll just sulk [not really] and look forward to reading Michael Connelly's new book. I KNOW I'll like that!

Jeryn; That's how I feel about the "Left behind" books, even tho I have not ever read any of them.(andthey are not mysteries) The Karon things always made me feel like I'd overdosed on popcorn or something else....totally irraltional on my part. isak

Funny, I cannot read theKaron books, but they are not bad for audio tapes to exercise too.. Since I am sweating and feeling sorry for myself..They are bland enough to sort of drift in and out of my ears.

I loved the "Ladies Detective Agency" books and also love the Jan Karon Books. I was in B & N bookstore a couple of days ago and they had Erlene Fowler's "Arkansas Traveler" hardback on sale for $3.98. Also picked up one of M C Beatons's hardback "Death of a Salesman" for $4.98. Enjoyed both of them. I tend to like books that are not violent but have a little humor mixed in. I agree, Jeryn, that it is good that we all have different tastes. The authors are probably glad too.

Has anyone read novels by Tim Dorsey? I checked out The Stingray Shuffle the other day, but just couldn't get interested in the prologue. I don't have to return it until the 29th. If it's worth going past these first few pages, let me know and I'll give it another go. Sue

isak, I've never felt compelled to even pick up one of those "left behind" books!

Steph, I'm LOL at Jan Karon as an aid to exercise! But don't feel sorry for yourself... you should feel proud for doing such a wonderful thing as exercise. Your body thanks you.

FlaJean, you have lots of company enjoying those books, all quite popular, much to the pleasure of their authors, yessss! I can't say too much... I LOVE The Cat Who... series!

I can't help on that one, SCSue. Has anyone else heard of this author, Tim Dorsey???

I'm reading this dreadful [so far] mystery[?] novel by Linda Davies. I would have tossed it aside a couple of times but my husband highly recommended it. Nest of Vipers, it's called. Usually his taste and mine are quite similar but... well, I'll finish it and see.

Sue, I enjoy the Tim Dorsey books, but must say they are kind of 'sick humored'...

http://www.timdorsey.com/

I have a few , very few, "friends" who think they are good, if not great literature, but they are a sort that I am not interested in, and I doubt the motives of the writers. isak

I like the Earlene Fowler books. I'm amazed at what she has been able to do with the theme of quilting, and I've learned a new respect for the craft.

Thanks, Nettie. I may try Chapter 1 and see how it goes. He's fairly popular here in Alabama--I think he might be a native although he now lives in Florida and writes about that state. Sue

I have read all the "Left Behind" books except the last one. Some of the Teen ones... thought I'd get those for the young kids... but I am too old for them to be able to hold me attention. I have the last one. I am going to read it some day. I just can not bring myself to think of the baby being left without a mama and a daddy at three.... I know everything will be ok in the end but oh my how my heart is having a hard time going forward.

My brother in law is having the same problem.

Yes, he does write about Florida and there is some really interesting Florida history in the books.

OK, you've convinced me, Nettie. As soon as I finish my current book, I'll try The Stingray Shuffle again. Thanks, Sue

P.S. Are you keeping up with the WNBA? In this temporary apartment, I only have basic cable and can only get one game on Saturday afternoon. I hardly know what is happening.

Sue, I try to keep up with the WNBA but hardly any games are aired on 'regular tv'. Most are on the NBA channel which I don't get.

Tim Dorsey writes about Florida, but I confess I have never finished a single book of his. Just slog and slog and finally give up. On the other hand Carl Hiassen makes me laugh and laugh.. Very true and funny writer. Randy Wayne White writes Florida stories as well. Interesting but a bit violent.

Yes, I love Carl Hiassen, too, Stephanie, and do believe I have also read Randy White's.

When you mentioned “Four Blind Mice”, Judy, I thought first of the Miss Marple short story, but that was “Three Blind Mice”. I have not gotten into James Patterson, but did enjoy “When the Wind Blows” and will look for ““Four Blind Mice”.

Until I read McCall Smith’s books, I didn’t even know that Botswana was a real country, Pedlin, much less where it is located! I was intrigued and did read up a little on the history on the Internet. A fascinating experiment, and I am glad it has apparently worked so well.

Your description of the Jan Karon series made me laugh, Isak. I guess it is impossible for me to overdose on popcorn. Somehow I feel like I am a part of Mitford while reading her books, even if they get a bit syrupy at times.

I have never read anything by Linda Davis, Jeryn. Let us know if you think it is worth wading through it. Neither have I heard of Tom Dorsey, either. If you ever make it past the prologue, Sue, I hope you will tell us if it is worth trying.

I have read a couple of Carl Hiaasen’s books, but found him too abrasive, although I liked the descriptions of Florida. My favorite Florida series was by John D. MacDonald. Very light, quick reads with a touch of Mickey Spillane.

I just finished my first Kate Wilhelm, “The Deepest Water”, and liked it a lot. The plot was somewhat unusual and I liked the Oregon setting. It did make me sorry that Judson Vickers was not a real author. I wish I could read his books!

Another riveting one was “The Bone Vault” by Linda Fairstein. I loved being behind the scenes at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Natural History Museum in New York. It kept me guessing right up to the end.

I've read all of his, and wish he had lived to write more!

The "Bone Vault" sounds interesting. I've always liked the Aaron Elkins series about the Seattle Art Museum. Have never read any Fairstein, but will put her on my list.

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Ahhhh, John D. MacDonald! One of my alltime favorite authors too, Perkie Ma-ny wonderful novels plus the addictive Travis McGee series of 16 color-coded mysteries. I have a very few of his as-yet-unread-by-me paperbacks stashed away for a rainy day!

The Bone Vault was a good one too, yesss. I must try some more of Fairstein.

The Linda Davies novel has about beaten the theme of insider trading to death, literally, as finally some murders are happening in this novel of financial skullduggery. I'll give a final report if I ever finish it!

The Fairstein books are riveting. I have read every single one and like her very much. John McDonald. I have read most if not all of the color ones.. a good many of the independent ones, but the man was truly prolific. He also wrote a good number of not.. detective stuff as well. The detective holds up, but the rest dont really.

Finished a Jonathan Kellerman book called A Cold Heart and was dissipointed. Usually really like his books with Milo Sturgis and Delaware but this one never did grab me. I guess too many people to keep track of.

Judy, I began being disappointed in Kellerman's Alex Delaware novels couple of years ago. Don't even pick them up anymore. Not sure why exactly; they just weren't as interesting, I guess.

OK, here it is folks... my long-awaited [?] report on Nest of Vipers by Linda Davies. If you are fascinated with finance, love to read about insider trading and all that jazz, you might like this book. Otherwise, it's a real snore. At least a hundred pages could have been cut. But Ron liked it so I read it, grudgingly. [could you tell?] <LOL>

As a reward for perseverance, I'm reading a silly little Corinne Holt Sawyer cozy... Angela and Caledonia are off to Mexico. Oh boy!

I'm reading Edward Marston's "Frost Fair", my first introduction to Christopher Redmayne. It's good reading, with a complex story and well-engineered plot. I've already had my first "Aha!", followed by a later "We-ee-ll, maybe not". Marston is not making this an easy solve. ...Babi

I requested an ILL for “Murder Olè”, Jeryn. I have read one other in the. Angela and Caledonia series and am looking forward to this one. Congratulations for sticking to the bitter end with Linda Davis. I think I will pass after your enthusiastic review.

I was not aware that Edward Marston even had a Restoraton series, BaBi, and here "The Frost Fair” is the fourth Christopher Redmayne. I have read all of the Domesday Books series and about half of the Elizabethan Theater series. I like him, but need to space him out. I found his bibliography on an UK website: http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Edward_Marston.htm.

I'm planning to go back and read some of his earlier books, Perkie. I like what I am finding. But then, I do like mysteries with historical settings. (I think I learned more of the small details of history from reading fiction than I did from studying history.) Anne Perry is another favorite. ...Babi

I went to the library this morning and found Unforced Error by Michael Bowen among the new books. It is a Rep and Melissa Pennyworth mystery. This is a new one to me. Has anyone read it? It sounds interesting. Sue

Jane Langton books. I just finished "Emily Dickinson is Dead" and really enjoyed it. Next I will start on "The Deserter" (Murder at Gettysburg) by Langton. I'm looking forward to it. I like the way she writes.

SCSue, I'm not familiar with that author. Please let us know how you like Unforced Error.

Glad you are enjoying Langton, Phyll. Several here have recommended her books. I like them too. And nice thing is, there are still several I have not read!

I have enjoyed reading the last posts. There are several authors that I am not familiar with. I have written them down so I can look for them the next time I visit the library. I do love reading books that use Florida for their setting. And that does include Carl Hiassen. It has been awhile since I read his last one. My favorite was the one involving the hurricane and all the crazy things that happened afterwards. My favorite character (and I can't remember his name) was the one with one eye that lived in strange places and I think had been governor.

I'm only a few pages into The Deserter, Murder at Gettysburg, and really enjoying it already. One of the most memorable experiences I ever had was when my two sons and I visited the Gettysburg Battlefield. It was in the off season, late October or early November, I believe, and in mid-week so we were very nearly the only ones on the whole battlefield. It was very quiet, very eerie and the day left a lasting impression on us. I think that has added to my enjoyment of this book because her descriptions are so good.

In this book Langton jumps back and forth between the present and the past. Normally I don't like that when I am reading a book--too distracting trying to keep track with my simple mind (grin)--but she is carrying it off very well, I think. At least, so far.

Now I am going to have to track down some of her other titles.

That sounds intriguing, Phyll... that will be the next one I look for!

I too, have visited Gettysburg and was quite impressed... if ghosts exist anywhere on this planet, they must be there! The scenes are so evocative of those battles as they must have happened, or as I imagine they did. The NPS has done an excellent job with the descriptive displays.

Have you ever seen the movie, "Gettysburg?"

When we visited Gettysburg we went down into a place where two soldiers met who needed water. They did not shoot each other. It seemed like the most peaceful place we visited.

At last, a name I can remember without writing it down! Since my maiden name was Langston, I feel reasonably certain I can remember Langton. <g> Babi

And the answer is, I'm sorry to say, no, I haven't seen it. I wonder it I can find it on tape for rental somewhere. I think I might enjoy that.

I stayed awake late last night because I was so engrossed in this book. Langton writes well. I can envision the battle as she writes about it and yet she hasn't gone into so much detail that you get bogged down. She hasn't forgotten that she is also writing a modern mystery. Very good story, so far!

EDIT: I just checked out Blockbuster's inventory and find that they do have it listed so maybe I can get it at my local Blockbuster today. I also noticed that the movie was based on Michael Shaara's "The Killer Angels" and I loved that book so if the movie is half as good as the book was I will like it, I know. Thanks for mentioning it.

I've read all the other Langton books, but didn't know that one was out. I'll run and get it. I've visited Gettysburg several times and am always moved by it.

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My library doesn’t have “Screenscam” or “Unforced Error” by Michael Bowen, Rep and Melissa Pennyworth mysteries. Let us know if it is worth an ILL, SCSue. The review from Booklist was somewhat mixed.

“Murder on the Gravy Train” by Phyllis Richman has Chas (Charlotte Sue) Wheatley as a restaurant reviewer. It is light reading and enjoyable. It takes place in Washington, D.C., and the scene of Chas walking under the cherry blossoms in bloom around the Tidal Basin made me nostalgic.

Will do, Perkie. I've started it, but am pretty tired from removing wall paper and other moving in chores, so have been going to sleep early after a full day of tedious work. Sue

Iliked the Phyllis Richman stuff. Interesting Jeryn,, you want haunted places.. Years ago when we were in Munich, we went to Dachau for the day.. The overwhelming sadness and grief is truly remarkable. The evil seems to be in the soil and never again would I listen to anyone who lived in that town, say they did not know what was happening. The town is right next to it.. A truly odd experience, that I would not repeat.

Perkie, I finished Bowen's Unforced Error by staying up late last night. After the beginning which was slow, it was pretty good. One of the main characters is an English professor and there were lots of literary connections as well as Civil War re-enactors in the plot. If you like that sort of thing, you probably would enjoy this book. Sue

Such an interesting memory you have of Munich, Stephanie. Your telling reminded me of how the hairs on the back of my neck stood at attention when viewing the trench of bayonets at the WWI battlefield memorials near Verdun, France. Those soldiers had been gassed in their positions, the trench later filled in as a burial but the tips of the bayonets still showed. The whole was covered for protection but you could see it all through long glass windows. Whew.

I guess all such places seem haunted to me.

Have a great Fourth of July celebration, everyone, but remember all those who have fought - in too many wars - that we might celebrate our freedom.

If even a day spent with wallpaper couldn’t keep you from sitting up reading Michael Bowen's “Unforced Error”, SCSue, I will definitely put it on my reading list. Thanks. Civil War re-enactors are not big with me, but the English professor and the literary connections are. I hope you are getting to the end of all the moving in chores and can begin to really enjoy your new home.

My father was stationed in England during WW2 and took some leave to attend part of the Nuremberg Trials. He would never talk about the experience. Just shook his head and went quiet if they were mentioned. I think he understood how you both felt, Stephanie and Jeryn.

“The Murder Room” is P. D. James’ 14th in the Adam Dalgliesh series. This one seemed more complex than what I remember of the earlier ones. It was a slow starting and I was almost ready to label it as a soporific, but then it finally picked up speed and I was truly hooked. I did feel like I needed to read it with a dictionary, but was able to fill in well enough not to stop and look. Now I wish I had kept a list. I did look up gyves. From the context, I thought it meant fetters and I was correct. This one would make a book BBC production. In one of the previous ones, I heard the Inspector’s name as Dogleash, and that name has stuck in my irreverent memory!

Perkie: I brought home Murder Room twice now from the Library, but I just can't get into it. I've not had that trouble with James before, but this one sure didn't appeal to me. I'm glad to hear somebody else had the same initial reaction. I don't bother with books that don't "grab me" within the first 25 pages or so.

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Many thanks to the folks (I can't remember who) who recommended Linda Fairstein's "The Bone Vault." I lugged the library hardcopy in my suitcase to Seattle, and it has proved well-worth the pounds. It's fantastic. She is really a remarkable writer. At first I thought she had previously been a museum curator, but see that she was a special victims prosecutor. It will soon be my turn to recommend a book for my local mystery bookclub and it will definitely be a Fairstein. Can anyone recommend one that is the same quality as "Bone Vault?" We'll need a paperback.

Phyll, glad to hear you like Jane Langton. She has always been a favorite of mine and I look forward to reading "The Deserter," which I had not heard of before.

PEDLIN, I'm sure "Bone Vault" is available in paperback. Another good one is "Final Jeopardy". You might like it even better than "Bone Vault". ...Babi

In the DC area, PBS is broadcasting a new Tony Hillerman mystery Sunday. It is "The Thief of Time". If I remember right, this is the one about Anastazi artifacts. I'm hoping for some good photography of their dwellings and art.

In the San Francisco Bay Area, “A Thief in Time” will be shown tomorrow night, July 11th, at 9 p.m. on KQED. You can look up your area and also get information about the show on:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/mystery/american/thief/index.html

You are right, JoanK. It is the one about the Anasazi artifacts. I hope they stick closer to the story than they did with “Coyote Waits”.

My last audio book was “Winter of the Wolf Moon” by Steve Hamilton. It is placed in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, right up against the Canadian border. The reluctant P.I., Alex McKnight, owns 6 cabins and lives in one and rents the other five to summer tourists, fall hunters, and winter ski mobilers. The descriptions make good mental pictures and the characters are fleshed out. It is not a great story, but it was entertaining and I plan to look up the prequel, "A Cold Day in Paradise ". I’m a little slow sometimes. Alex keeps refering to UPies (sounded like you-pees) and I finally figured out that he meant people from the Upper Peninsula.

Thanks, Perkie, for putting in that URL. I enjoy the Tony Hillerman books and will look forward to tonight's mystery. I've read most of his books but don't remember this one.

Very interesting web site. Thanks.

Babi, thanks for the Fairstein info. You're right. Bone Vault is in paperback -- I saw a copy at the bookstore we went to for breakfast this am. I almost bought a used copy of "Final Jeopardy," but decided my suitcase already had too many books that I acquired here in Seattle. I did pick up a used Amanda Cross -- title eludes me, but Kate is teaching Antigone at a private girls school.

Sure hope that Hillerman comes on again, since I'm not home to tape it. The little guy here has a limit of G/PG, so we'll either be watching Olympic Trials or the Apple Dumpling Gang (on DVD).

Thanks so much for the heads up regarding tonight's Hillerman production on PBS. I've set up to tape it for viewing at my leisure. I was especially delighted since A Thief of Time was the first Hillerman I had ever read!

I just finished a totally unreal but completely engrossing little whodunit called Cat Spitting Mad by Shirley Rousseau Murphy. She's the author whose cats not only solve mysteries but also talk about it! You have to suspend reality and really love cats, then you can love Murphy's Joe Grey series!

Also finished this week and greatly enjoyed a new-to-me sleuth named Barbara Holloway, created by Kate Wilhelm. Excellent story... Clear and Convincing Proof. Now I'm tracking down earlier books in this series... I believe there are just six featuring attorney, Barbara Holloway.

Death Qualified 
Best Defense 
Malice Prepense 
Defense for the Devil 
No Defense 
Clear and Convincing Proof

JERYN, this month's "Sonata" on-line magazine has a short-short story about a talking cat. As you said, you don't have to believe it to find it entertaining.

On the other hand, our cat Maggie has a particular sound she makes that sounds remarkably like "Nyo-o-o", and she uses it appropriately. "Do you want to come in, Maggie?" A languid look, a 'nyo-o-o', and she returns to her grooming. I make no further claims. <g> ..Babi

Thanks for the tip, Babi. I sort of like cat fantasy fiction, figure it's no worse than sci-fi which so many dote on. Let the imagination run!

Her latest book, "R is for Ricochet" came out yesterday. It's good, but not a "can't put it down" one. I saw in the paper recently that she has signed a contract for "S", "T" and "U", but doesn't know when she'll finish the rest of the alphabet.

I'm almost finished with my first Jane Langton, "Emily Dickinson is Dead". I'm finding it very entertaining, but I can't help thinking some of her characters are almost caricatures. Dombey Dudley Dell, for one. But I greatly enjoy the sketches of historic sites integral to the story. It gives it a 'you are there' feel. ...Babi

BaBi, I know what you mean... Langton seems to write with tongue in cheek, as it were. Characters become caricatures, but nonetheless entertaining. I like her use of actual historic places and people, too.

My husband just finished another of Kate Wilhelm's Barbara Holloway series, Malice Prepense, and pronounced it a winner.

Just finished a GREAAT book called Gone Too Far by Suzanne Brockmann which I really enjoyed.

I, too, love the Joel Grey series, Jeryn, and have no trouble believing that the animals talk to each other, but then I have read all of the Rita Mae and Sneaky Pie Brown series and love the animals’ running commentaries. In fact, I just finished the latest one, “The Tail of the Tip-Off”. I am glad to say that the new illustrator, Michael Gellatly, knows what a Pembroke Welsh Corgi looks like and I found the illustrations charming. The story is good (do you hear the but?) but the writing seems choppy in a way that it never has before and there is some annoying repetition, explaining things that have already been explained. I hope the editors just hurried the Browns and that they are not slipping as writers.

Here is the complete list of Barbara Holloways by Kate Wilhelm, Jeryn, with 2 more titles, that I found on Fantastic Fiction. It is a great bibliography which also includes a synopsis of each story. I have added them to my list.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/authors/Kate_Wilhelm.htm

1991 Death Qualified
1994 Best Defense
1996 For the Defense, or, Malice Prepense
1999 Defense for the Devil
2000 No Defense
2001 Desperate Measures
2003 Clear and Convincing Proof
2004 Unbidden Truth

Fantastic Fiction also lists what it calls the TROUBLESHOOTER series by Suzanne Brockmann, Judy. I find the name of the series interesting, because it is about Navy Seal Lieutenant Tom Paolett, while the series SEAL is about Navy Seal Senior Chief "Harvard" Becker. Mine is not to reason why …

2000 Unsung Hero
2001 Defiant Hero
2001 Over the Edge
2002 Into the Night
2002 Out of Control
2003 Gone Too Far
2004 Flashpoint

I was about half-way through “Dead Meat” by Willaim G. Tapply, and wondering why I had it on my list when I suddenly remembered the collaboration between Tapply and Philip R. Craig, who writes the wonderful J.W. Jackson series set on Martha’s Vineyard. I don’t find Tapply nearly as interesting. Although Brady Coyne is an attorney, the book has more of the feel of a classic detective novel, but without women falling into his bed. This particular title is placed in the Maine woods on a small lake, which was well described.

And then there is the wonderful Kate Sedley. I have read all 12 of her Roger Chapman series. The setting is in the 1400’s with Bristol as the home town of Roger, but his travels as a peddlar take him far afield. I love the descriptions and the language as well as the stories. When I see another one on the new book shelf, my eyes light up.

Far more complex are the works of Minette Walters. “The Dark Room” is about a fashion photographer who has amnesia covering the two weeks before she was thrown from a car. Was it attempted suicide or attempted murder? I was suspicious of everyone and found the unfolding of the story compelling if not quite my favorite of her titles that I have read. That is a toss-up between “Sculptress” and “Scold’s Bridle”. I expect others have different favorites.

Thanks for that recommendation, Judy.

Thanks bunches for that new [to me] link for hunting down series, Perkie... that's super! I'll add it to our heading. I'm glad to know of two more in the Barbara Holloway series, now added to my list!

I wasn't all that wild about Tappley either; don't remember which one I read. Obviously, quite forgettable! <BG> My favorite Minette Walters was The Ice House but also liked those two you've mentioned. There's quite a lot more of hers I have to look forward to.

I've started Malice Prepense; so far, I think I'll like it.

I've read several Minette Walters. Her books are well written but I find the characters and stories too depressing for my taste.

I'm in a "reading funk." I just can't find anything that is enjoyable to read these days. I tried a couple "new" shelf books from the Library and just couldn't get into them. Some have premises so absurd that even I can't "suspend reality" or whatever that term is. The one I tried last night was eccentric Greek family who are scam artists with a college prof daughter and her twin who's a casino/whatever dancer and ??? who disappears, but family is still busy being scam artists and playing being the ADDAMS family [from the TV series,] and then there's the homeless/foster child who needs a home..and ....and... yet I found it boring!

Whew...I gave up.

It must be the heat and humidity have gotten to my brain and I can't follow all of this "plot"???

jane

Personally, Perkie, my favorite Minette Walters so far is "The Scolds Bridle". But I haven't read "The Ice House", Jeryn's favorite. Jeryn's tips are good, I've found. "Ice House" is on my list. ...Babi

Well we are finally settled in our new apartment and are now Alabamans.I really havent had much time to read ,too many errands to run and to tired at night to do anything but sleep. I did manage to get to the library and get my new card. I haven't used it yet but probably will next week and look for some of suggestions mentioned here. I did find among my collection of paperbacks, some Barbara Michaels books. I have enjoyed reading them since they do take my mind off all the chores still left to do. Barb

Gram62, where in Alabama? Are you anywhere near Joan and Theron, in the B'ham area? We live in Chattanooga, and go to the Gulf Shores/Fort Morgan area for a week every summer. Where did you move from? Is the climate going to be a big adjustment?

Mary We are in Anniston, about 50 miles east of Birmingham. We moved from Ohio but lived in Fla. previously for 5 years so the weather should not be too much of an adjustment. We love the Gulf so plan on visiting there in the not too distant future. My husband was transferred here by his company and will probably be working very long hours for a few months but hopefully we will be able to get away for a few week-end trips Barb

Gram62, the prices go down on the condos at Gulf Shores/Orange Beach in August and even more in November. Late August, September, and October are great times to go down there. We usually enjoy a late Indian Summer and the weather is nice, far fewer people, too. E-mail me when you're ready to go and I'll give you the URL of the realtor I use. I'm planning to take my grandsons down in October when they are on school break. Sue

Jane, "this too shall pass"... I think any addicted reader gets into a "funk" once in a while, where nothing - but nothing - seems to chase the ennui. I know you won't give up trying. It's a lifelong addiction! I've found something utterly simple or totally different can chase the funks away.

Thanks for that vote of confidence, BaBi! You and I do seem to have similar tastes.

Hi there, Barb! [Gram62] Isn't moving the pits?!!! I'm glad you've made it and getting ready now to get settled. Now comes the fun part... exploring the territory! Enjoy!

Gram62, I'll join SpringCreek in offering the name of our rental service, too. We've been renting out in the Fort Morgan area - much quieter with just 2-3 condos. Everything else is private housing rentals. And SC is right, the rentals are much cheaper in the off season, and the beaches are all but empty. Very pleasant.

Thanks for the information. I hope we can get away this fall at least for a long week-end. How is the beach in Dec.? The plant closes down at that time and we always have a week off, sure don't want to go back north at that time.

The only time I ever visited the Gulf Coast was a December in Florida, many years ago, and I have never been colder. The wind off the Gulf cut through me like a knife. Of course, I didn't have my Maryland winter clothing with me!

I enjoyed my second Linda Fairstein, "Final Jeopardy". I really like the interplay between prosecutor Alexandra Cooper and detective Michale Chapman. I don't even like Jeopardy!, but do get a kick out of their running bet on who can guess the question in the Double Jeopardy. The story is about a stalker, and I was totally surprised by the ending. The book is well written, and the descriptions of Martha's Vineyard, where Alex has her vacation home, fit in nicely with the mental map I acquired from Philip R. Craig in his Vineyard series.

Anytime on the water can be cold and nasty, as Perkie says. But it can also be quite nice. One can never be sure about the weather. The only place to be sure in the wintertime is to be near the equator somewhere, I guess.

I'll second Mary Z's weather assessment of December at Gulf Shores. I've been there when it's balmy and also when it's frigid. The best thing to do is to check the 5 day forecasts on the weather channel. It can go either way.

I started a suspense novel by Rick Riordan last night, South Town. I had a hard time putting it down, but had to because of needing to get up early to pack things. This is the first time I've read one of his books. He's won the Edgar several times. Sue

Rick Riordan....another writer I've never come across, but a book you can't put down has to be investigated. Where's my book list?...Babi

I do appreciate the ideas and names of books and authors that I have not read. I did see Sue Grafton's new book when I visited Walmart Monday. I didn't realize that that as its first day on the shelf. I decided that $18.95 was more than I wanted to pay so will look for it in the library. I am glad to see a new book with Sneaky Pie and companions to solve mysteries. I have a little notebook that I use to write down books I have read and lists of books by my favorite authors.

I cant resist, I have to put Riordan on my list too. I can get Sue Graftons new book through my book club somewhat cheaper and even though I have bought most of her others I think I will wait for a copy from the library or till it comes in paperback. The last one was so short I read it in 1 afternoon and didnt think it was worth the price. I'm glad to hear Sneaky Pie is back. Always enjoy those adventures. Dont have any new books or authors to add today, I'm still plowing through all my Barbara Michaels books I've collected. Barb

I just picked up a couple of Riordan books at the library along with one by Donna Tartt that was recommended by a friend.

Just finishing up a good one, Bone Mountain, by Elliot Pattison. It takes place in modern day Tibet. It's not a real fast or easy read but very good and interesting.

I love Riordan. Very interesting and he varies his plots and subsidiary characters enough to help. Minette Walters is one of my all time favorites. She makes you sit and guess. The Sculptress makes you wonder even after you are finished. Michelle Spring is excellent. Comparatively new and uses Song Titles to name her books. Anna Salter is good, but dark..Abigail Padgetts writes soooo slowly and I love her stuff. But it is grim. On and on about people that write. I have such long lists of things to look for.

This Riordan sounds like a "must read" author. I like a "can't put it down" book, and sometimes it seems like they're just out of reach. But our local mystery club is reading Michael Connelly's Blood Work for August, and it is sure keeping me from all my chores.

Glad to hear "Final Jeopardy" (FairStein) is a winner for those who have read it. I think I'll recommend it to the local group for September. What amazed me in her Bone Vault is how they always got those final jeopardy questions right.

Did you see in the news that a man named Jennings has won, on Jeopardy, like 38 days in a row, and 52,000. sever times! Said they have gone on hiatis but he will return in Sept. WOW

The man on Jeopardy is amazing, but I must confess I'm getting a bit tired of seeing him run away with every contest.

I am reading my second Jane Langton, "Divine Inspiration", and finding it even better than the first. She is coming across as a very scholarly and knowledgeable author. After all, how many people do you know who have read the writings of Martin Luther? ...Babi

BaBi, that's the Jane Langton title I've been trying to think of -- the characters are repairing or building a church organ, right? I loved it. It's been ages since I've read it, and want to suggest it, along with the Fairstein, to my local group.

Folks, don't know if Bill will post this here, eventually, but you've gotta see this cute ad he made for his discussion... Just Click Here.

Always interested in hearing more about Jane Langton... she is obviously a lady of many talents. I've been so entertained by her illustrations and now to learn she's a historian, too. As well as a pretty good writer... very impressive.

I finished my second find in Kate Wilhelm's Barbara Holloway series, Malice Prepense. What a plot! What a courtroom drama!! Suspense and romance too!!! What more can I say?

The jeopardy guy smirks, so I really dont like to watch, but my husband is fascinated by the winner being so consistant. I think he is the master of the buzzer myself. Reading an old Agatha Raisin. I came late to her and am plowing my way through the old ones now.

JERYN, thanks for the link. The mummy is terrific!

Well, I don't think Jennings is smirking, Stephanie. He seems like a genuinely nice guy, but he is definitely hitting that button. I think when he feels confidant in a category, he buzzes in even before anyone's had time to understand the question. Pure speculation on my part, but I think his strategy is that he will be right more often than he will be wrong (AND HE IS!), and he will dominate the board enough to take a big lead.

Babi

I am impressed with his knowledge of trivia and his quick buzzer reaction but he does seem a bit full of himself.

Thanks, Babi, for mentioning Divine Inspiration. I have fallen in love with Jane Langton's books. It is such a pleasure to read an author who writes intelligently without "talking down" to her readers. I just finished "Dark Nantucket Moon". Loved it! Learned about Nantucket but also about the solar eclipse and the tides. And the story was good, too! ;-}

I must confess, if I had won over a million bucks showing how smart I was, I would probably be a bit full of myself, too.

Thanks for the tip, Phyll. I'll try to make "Dark Nantucket Moon" my next Jane Langton. I want to find some Riordan's, too; everyone is praising them.

...Babi

I have her 'The Secret History' in my new stack from the library...has anyone read it or anything by her?

Nettie - Secret History is absolutely fascinating. Really original writing. It's another can't put it down - and can't stop thinking about it after. The Little Friend is good too, but Secret History was my favorite.

I admire Ken Jennings for his wide knowledge of so many subjects. I wonder how he's going to pay the income tax on his winnings, though. That will put him in a higher tax bracket for sure!

I am starting The Accusers by Lindsey Davis tonight. I picked it up at the library because it had a blurb from the Cleveland Plain Dealer which said "Sam Spade in a ratty toga". I'm enrolled in the SN Latin Class, starting in September, and thought this might be interesting. Has anyone read this series? Sue

No, but I'm enrolled in Latin too: I'll check it out. Just finishing the discussion of "Pompaii".

Rick Riordan is on my list with no titles. I’m glad to be able to fill in with one that kept you up at night, SCSue

I have “Bone Mountain”, by Elliot Pattison, on my list, Nettie, along with “Skull Mantra” and “Water Touching Stone”. The setting sounds fascinating.

Does Michelle Spring have a new series, the one that uses Song Titles, Stephanie? I have been reading her Laura Principal series. At least “Every Breath You Take” is not a song title I recognize.

"Dark Nantucket Moon" was the first one I read, Phyll, so it was the one that got me hooked on Jane Langton.

Donna Tartt is a new name to me, Nettie and Harper. I will definitely try 'The Secret History'.

On the light side, I enjoyed “Murder Olé” by Corrine Holt Sawyer. It is my second Angela Benbow and Caledonia Wingate mystery. I would class it a cozy, very quick reading and a pleasant change from some of the heavier fiction I have been reading.

New to me is Peter Lovesey. I liked the post-WWII London setting and the old fashioned feel to it. Gosh, I am getting old if the 1940’s now feel old fashioned to me.

Perkie, I can remember a song titled "Every Breath You Take". I can't remember the group who sang it though. I think the next line says "I'll keep loving you". Sue

"Every breath you take" was recorded by Sting and also another group. I remember the one by Sting. A pretty song. I'll have to add Michelle Spring to my list of authors to explore, Perkie.

Lindsey Davies.. I have read most of them and they are wonderful.. A genuinely funny writer with such wonderful ideas. If you liked ancient history, you will adore him and Helena ( his wife with the backbone) Perkie, we are thinking of the same author and series. But each one is in fact a song title from the rock era.. I seem to remember one is Night in White Satin, which is actually a song I liked very much.

SUE, I love Lindsey Davis! Thanks for letting us know he has a new book out.

Hettie, there was a book discussion on Donna Tartt's "The Little Friend" last year. It's probably archived, if you want to take a look at it. Actually, you'd probably do better to read it first; dont' want to spoil it for you.

..Babi

Babi, I thought Lindsey Davies was a man, also, but there is a picture of a woman--I think--on the back cover. Long hair anyway. Thanks for the feedback on Davis's Falco mysteries, Babi and Stephanie. I've read a couple of chapters, but too busy today to read as I am trying to get moved. Sue

You're right, Sue. I thought for such a long time Davis was a man, that after I learned she was a 'she', I promptly forgot again! Ah, the wonders of the mind. ....Babi

Talk about an old writer. I had run into a Joe Gores, that I had not read yet in a used book store a few weeks ago.. Contract, Null and Void. I still enjoy his stuff. Dont think he writes much any more,but I do like Daniel Kearney Associates and all of the wacks that work for him.

Joe Gores? Never heard of that one. Well, let's face it. There are shelves and shelves of books in the mystery section of the library, and I only know a small fraction of the authors. Since I can't read them all, I come here to find the best. ...Babi

Yes, I do like Bill's running mummy!

Lillian Braun Jackson is good to read. I love the cats

Koko and Yum Yum are favorites of mine, bluebird, and welcome to our Mysteries discussion! I believe that is Lilian Jackson BRAUN? Her Cat Who... series of kitty kat kozies has been quite enchanting but I think the later ones barely make it as mysteries. If you're hooked though, it's still fun to read them and see how all the old friends are doing.

I've been enthralled [and a bit aghast] reading the latest Michael Connelly, The Narrows. Grisly crime scene but working to find the killer has been suspenseful and interesting. Harry Bosch at his best, so far.

Jeryn, I just finished my first Michael Connelly -- Blood Work. No Harry Bosch in it, the main character was Terry McCaleb. I couldn't put it down, so it was a good read in that respect, but i was disappointed in the ending. It just seemed contrived and I felt I'd seen similar twists by other authors.

Boy, was I getting confused by you all back there. Lindsey Davies -- sounded familiar, but not those books. I just read my first LINDA Davies a few weeks ago -- Nest of Vipers -- not the same writer.

Terry McCaleb is one of the characters in the Harry Bosch series, pedln. In face, he figures large in this latest novel. If that was your first Michael Connelly, I hope you'll give him another chance. There's quite a definite chronology; I'd suggest starting with the oldest and working through them. Let me see... I think the first in the series was The Black Echo.

Im with Jeryn. Michael Connelly is a fascinating writer, but needs to be read in sequence. His characters develop as you go along and it is worth it. Working on the very first Elderhostel detective.. "Bloody Bonsai" not very good.. I think a first attempt at writing.

Stephanie, I read what I think was the second in the series some time ago -- they were attending a cooking elderhostel in Baltimore. It was okay, but I've never felt compelled to read more of them. The cooking class procedures and the restaurants visited were interesting -- wish I could remember the term used by the chef -- it was French, I think, and meant -- "have everything you need laid out before you begin." That reminder made the book worthwhile.

Folks, would all of you who said they wish to participate in the Maltese Falcon discussion please sign up in the PROPOSED so that I can have it moved to UPCOMING? Here is a link for you
PROPOSED MALTESE FALCON
Jeryn, thank you for giving your readers a link to the MUMMY.

Bill H

Pedlin, I do remember and just like the Bonsai.. the details of the class was fascinating, but the story was just blah. Oh well. live and learn. I am reading a Faye Kellerman.. Senior moment here. The b ook is downstairs and I am up, so it will remain nameless. STarts off with Cindy ( Deckers daughter) finding a newborn baby while on patrol. Looks good thus far. I like both Kellermans, although I will give her a slight edge because I generally learn things about observant jews that I did not know. This time it is going to be Ethiopian Jews, which I had heard of one time, but know nothing about.

I haven't read Faye Kellerman, and I'm interested to hear one can learn more about observant Jews in her books. With a Jewish ex-DIL and two grandchildren raised in the Jewish faith, I am interested in learning all I can. Ms. Faye K. goes on my book list. ...Babi

Have any of you been watching Foyle's War on PBS? Foyle is a policeman (inspector) in Britain at the beginning of WWII. I first found him through DVDs at the public library. Now PBS has started a second series -- mystery completed in 90 minutes, Sunday nights, 8 pm Central time.

Yes, indeeed, Pedlin. I enjoyed last years series, and I was delighted to find these were not repeats. Wouldn't miss them. ..Babi

pEDLIN: I thought the first one was excellant (although there were too many downtrodden housewives for my taste). I missed the second, but look forward to tonights.

Saw last nights show, and thought it one of the better ones. I became involved to the extent I wanted to take a horsewhip to the b....s who set the dogs on those children! Interesting twists in the plot, too. ...Babi

You will really enjoy Faye Kellerman, but she is a writer who must be read in sequence.. She starts with ( I think). The Ritual Bath and continues. There is a love story interwoven and also life as it goes on for the couple, the children and other detectives. All in all a woman who weaves a complex web of relationships. Observant jews of several types are an integral part of her books and you learn a lot.

I, too, am a great fan of hers...anything new in the wings from her? I've only recently begun to read her husband, Jonathan, and enjoy his, too.

Last year, right after horrible hurricane Isabel, they donated signed books to our library to be raffled off to aid Isabel relief.

Our PBS station broadcast the last two episodes of Foil's war in sequence. I think it was a mistake. I enjoyed the first one a lot, but the second began to seem repetitious, See what you who watch it next week think.

It's interesting how many different aspects and facits of life in WWII England the manage to include in the plots.

Just finished Alexander McCall Smith's newest book "The Full Cupboard of Life" about the lady detective "Precious" in Botswana. It is as interesting as the others in the series, but I especially liked the ending of this one.

Last night I finished Murder is Academic: A Cambridge Mystery by Christine Poulson. It kept me guessing until the end. If you like to read mysteries centered around British Academics, you should enjoy this one. Sue

FlaJean do you know there is a disscussion about the books?

That is very true... thanks Francy, for pointing out that there is a discussion running right now here on Seniornet: The Ladies #1 Detective Agency. Click to go there, FlaJean!

Yes, I know about the discussion, but isn't it only about the first book in the series?

FlaJean, yes, concerning specific events, the discussion is about the first book of the series, but as you know, from participating in the discussion, it is hard to separate the main character, the setting, etc. from the entire series. And the last week of the discussion is especially for thoughts about other books in the series.

We're happy to have all McCall Smith readers join us at any time. It's just that not everyone has read beyond the first book and we don't want to give away any specifics that would spoil it for them.

I hope you will continue to join us, as much of the discussion has been about the philopsophy of the series, as opposed to specifics.

I have another recommendation: Judith Guest's new The Tarnished Eye. Lots of twists and turns. I'm not reading another mystery tonight. I want to get more sleep than the last 2 nights! Sue

I guess my lack of interest in rock songs shows, since I didn’t recognize them in Michelle Spring’s titles, SCSue. I hope you like the Didius Falco series as much as I do. I have listened to most of them on audio books, and now hear the reader’s voice even when I am holding the actual book in my hands!

I don’t know Joe Gores, Stephanie, but if he has wacks working for him, it is good enough for me! I have read one Jonathan Kellerman, “Over the Edge”, but am now looking forward to trying Faye Kellerman. Her interest in Jewish people sounds intriquing. I find I know so little about them when I think about what I do know.

Me, too, Bluebird, I love Koko and Yum Yum and being 500 miles north of everywhere. Now, where did I put my Squunk Water?

I finished my fourth Dicey Deere, “The Irish Village Murder” with Torrey Tunet as the snoopy translator who solves the murder in a small town near Dublin. This one brought in The Sack Of Baltimore, on the Irish coast in 1631. I wonder if the town was named for the same family as the Lord Baltimore who settled in Maryland.

Has anybody read Taylor Smith? This summer, I read "Deadly Grace" and really enjoyed it. I'm now into The Innocents Club, which I got from the library. That's all our library has, so I've just ordered her other books (used, paperback) from Alibris.com.

It's such fun coming in here to Mystery Corner and adding umpteen more titles to my list! Thanks to all of you who contribute. I've had lots of new and entertaining reading from this forum!

And now to do my bit...

I just finished a first mystery by one Alafair Burke, Judgment Calls. Turns out she is the daughter of the well-known crime writer, James Lee Burke. Reportedly, she was a deputy district attorney in Portland, OR, at an earlier time in her life.

So this story is based in Portland, our new home, making it doubly interesting to me! The protagonist is, guess what, a deputy district attorney. For a first novel, it is a well-told tale, even if you don't live in POrtland! Perhaps just a bit heavy on the spicy language, but mainly I liked it. More happy news: she has a second novel out based on the same character and setting. I've put it on reserve at the library.

Alafair,, He named his adopted daughter in the series Alafair. Did not know he had a real daughter named that. I loved James Lee, so will try his daughters book as well.

I thought Dave Robicheaux’s adopted daughter was named Alafair, Stephanie. Thanks for reinforcing an almost memory. Do you think Burke’s daughter is as good a writer as her father,. Jeryn?

I tried my second Elderhostel mystery by Peter Abresch. The first one wasn’t great but it was interesting enough for me to want to try again. However, by chapter 5, I had had enough of “Great” and “Oh, yeah, buddy” to last me the entire book. I even glanced at the last page and the very last sentence is “Yeah, buddy.” I have put Abresch’s name in << >>, which means don’t read any more.

I did make it through <<Carol Higgins Clarke>>’s “Decked”, but found it so confusing that it wasn’t worth trying another one. Now, let’s see, is this the man who is trying to kill Regan and Victoria or the one trying to retrieve a stolen bracelet from their stateroom?

Perkie, Stephanie, I don't read James Lee Burke's books. Tried one once and it was just too grim and graphic for me.

I did like his daughter's first novel enough to order the second one! Even though the crime involved is pretty grim, it's not over-described nor belabored. I liked the plot and think she is a writer that shows promise.

Please E-Mail me. I would like to try the Elderhostel.

Jeryn, I know that the books are very violent and I generally do not like violence, but for some reason James Burke keeps me enthralled in the series. I read them and love them. I think it is the stream of consciousness involved. The man feels like a real human with all of the complications therein. Working now on a Charmaine Harris.. This one is a Shakespeare series one. She has two detective series and a truly funny vampire series. I know.. I know.. vampires and humor, but you have to read them to understand the complicated plots.. REally really fun.

For those of you who haven't read the books about Stephanie Plum, I would suggest you try them.

The first one is One for the Money, and there are ten of them so far, the last now out in hardback called Ten Big Ones.

Stephanie Plum is out of a job, and needs work, so she goes to work for her cousin who is a bail bondsman. People who don't show up for their court date are called FTA's (Failure To Appear), and it is Stephanie's job to round them up, take them to the police station, and turn them in. She is a bounty hunter, and is paid a percentage of the bond for bringing them in.

Throughout the books, Stephanie gets into a passel of trouble, some through her naivete, some through dumb luck, and some because she has caused grief to some of the criminals she meets. She has a particularly bad time keeping a car. They get blown up, crashed into, fallen on, tipped over, etc. and none of it is her fault.

Very good books, the type you don't start at night, cause you will read all night.

SEAMRIPPER: I love Evanovitch and I've got my son hooked too. When I can't get to the library, I reread them LOL

I just finished Jane Langton's latest, The Deserter, which had been recommended here recently. She is an author that just teems with originality. I really enjoyed this modern mystery untangling a wrong done during the American civil war.

Happiness is having recently discovered this author, I have ten more of hers to read!

I have read three of Langton's books, and I'm delighted to discover there at least eight more waiting.

Babi

Okay, you guys in here are going to get sick of me posting. But the one expenditure I have that is almost larger than food is books. I am a voracious reader, and I love mysteries.

Some of my favorites:

Andrew Greeley and Blackie Ryan is always good. No questions asked.

Leslie Glass - the April Woo stories. April Woo is a policeman in New York city, who goes after the bad guys, and have all kind of adventures in between. She has a little oriental mother, whom she calls the "Dragon Lady", and is well worth the read.

About the same time I discovered April Woo, I also discovered Kate Shugak, and Liam Campbell. The author there is Dana Stabenow, and her stories are all about Alaska. Kate is a native Alaskan, and Liam is a Mountie. Kate has a lot of adventures, trying to live down her grandmother's reputation, and still retain her own independence. I can't imagine myself shooting anything from my patio or deck, but Kate does. Then hangs and dresses it herself too. Interesting!!!

Along the same lines, Margaret Coel writes about the Arapaho nation in New Mexico, and what it is like to live on the reservation. The stories all revolve around a priest/minister, and his congregation of indians, and how he must balance ancestral history with religious practices. Again, a great read.

Now for cooks: If you like reading about catering, or cooking, try reading Leslie Meier, or Diane Mott Davidson, or Joanne Pence. I liked Leslie and Diane a lot better than I did Joanne, but the subject was slightly different.

See what I mean? I read a book about every other day, and if it is one of those authors, a book in a night. Sorry, I have been known to read all night to find out "who dun it".

SeamRipper, you are ONE of us! Thanks for sharing your favorites, which is a lot of what we do here. I hope you'll find some new good ones to try among those others mention. Our lists just keep growing and growing!

BaBi, I was so happy to find an old Langton PB in the library bookstore this week... called Natural Enemy. I don't usually read two of an author back-to-back but I'm doing it now!

Leslie Glass and April Woo esp. appeals to me, Seam Ripper. I'll have to add him?her? to my reading list. ..Babi

Leslie is a woman. I have read several of hers. I finished the Charlaine Harris. Shakesperes Trollop.. Interesting and complicated. Has a good backstory on the heroine.. Now starting The Elizabeth George just now in paperback.. Hard to get into. She is using Deborah and Simon and I am not overfond of Deborah. She is sort of "Oh Poor me" all the time but I do like Simon very much.

so happy to hear she has a new one out! I'll be getting on the waiting list at my library.

I'll also look for a Leslie Glass.

After reading a couple of Eliot Pattison's books, which are very good but heavy and rather depressing, I've been reading a couple of delightful ones by Maeve Binchy.

.. I have read all of the Lily Bard series by Charmaine Harris, Stephanie. Her Shakespeare series is not about the Bard, but takes place in Shakespeare, Arkansas. Once I got past the terrible attack in Lily's past, I really admired Lily and enjoyed the mysteries. All five start with the word Shakespeare. I have not started on the Aurora Teagarden series as the name is somehow off-putting., but I am looking forward to trying the Southern Vampire mysteries.

I don't know Leslie Glass, SeamRipper, but April Woo sounds interesting. Kate Shugak and Margaret Coel have long been favorites of mine. I started out liking Diane Mott Davidson, but gave up on her toward the end of the series. They became much too repetitious for me.

I love Maeve Binchy, Nettie, but have put my comments on the fiction discussion group. Have you tried it? I have it bookmarked here: jane "---Fiction: Old / New / Best Sellers" 6/11/04 7:17am

I enjoyed my second Peter Lovesey mystery, "The Last Detective". This was my first with the detective Peter Diamond. I didn't care much for Diamond's methods for most of the book, but he redeemed himself at the end. For now, though, I think I will concentrate on Lovesey's more historical mysteries that do not fall into any of his series. The one I read was "On the Edge", set in post-WWII London and was fascinating.

Loveseys historicals are wonderful . I have read all of them and laughed and enjoyed them.

Seam Ripper, will have to check out margaret coel as i've never heard of her. How many has she written and do I have to read them in order?

I've read all hers and enjoyed them...always the best to read them in order, but not really necessary, I don't think I read them in order.

I looked for Leslie Glass in the library but they don't seem to have any.

She is one of my of favorites with her forensic anthropoligist, Temperance Brennan, as the investigator.

I like Tempe Brennan as well, although the last book seemed to be toying hard with romance. Still was a good book.

I finished Natural Enemy, one of Jane Langton's earlier Homer Kelly mysteries. It was just delightful even though you knew who the "bad guy" was right from the beginning. The suspense develops as you watch and wonder when the other characters will find him out! Langton's books always entertain, generally in new and different ways.

I tried to read Richard North Patterson's "Silent Witness", and just could not get interested. Just not in the mood, I guess. Some other time, maybe. ...Babi

I could never get into Richard North Patterson. I used to love James Patterson, but he got so heavily into weird, I dont read him anymore. Still working on the Elizabeth George .. Something about Memory. They are on the island of Guernsey , but I must say I do not find a single character the least bit interesting. I keep plugging on since I always love Elizabeth Georges books, but this one is heavy going.

I latched onto the new Lindsey Davis at the library, "The Accused". It will be a welcome relief alternate to Henry James' "The Turn of the Screw". James can be engrossing, but...good grief! Who wants to be reading that at bedtime? <g> Babi

I love Lindsey Davis.. Ancient Rome always sounds like a blast to me.. Besides Helena is a wonderful character.

Isn't she, tho?! I've loved her from her first appearance, and it refreshing that Marcus can adore her and wryly recount her wifely pushiness at the same time. In fact, all the characters are so true to life, they could be your own family and neighbors.

..Babi

Hi Jeryn: I don't get much opportunity any more to visit SN,but I still manage to do my share of reading.

For those who like their thrillers/mysteries laced with a gritty,urban edge I suggest the Easy Rawlins series by Walter Mosely,starting with Devil in the Blue Dress (series takes place in LA starting shortly after WWII....) and any book by George Pelicanos,especially the series with Derek Strange and Terry Quinn(These take place in Wash DC) Both authors dose their stories with a lot of social commentary.

Any fans of James Crumley out there?Another fine narrative writer of hard boiled...hard drinking...womanizing characters.

Long time no see! How nice of you to drop by and share your latest, great reads! Walter Mosley is a good author; I've read a couple from that series. Don't know the others so something new to look forward to. I hope you're feeling frisky and can drop in again soon, Ed!

Stephanie, I cooled on Richard North Patterson several books ago too and never could get into that other Patterson... just not a style I care for. I agree, the latest E. George isn't quite up to her usual compelling plots. Maybe she is drying up on us, too? Sigh...

I am so terribly disappointed in the Elizabeth George. I did not like a single character and if I were Simon, I would run.. Deborah gets more and more flighty. Talk about a character who refuses to become an adult. Sigh.. I will give E. George one more shot since I have loved so many of her books, but not again like that horror. I had always missed one of the first Robert Crais.."A Monkeys Raincoat", found it at a thrift shop and dived in. Early Elvis and he is in rare form. What a marvelous character.

"A Monkey's Raincoat"? What an intriguing title. Robert Crais? Another author I don't know. Okay, okay...where's my book list? ...Babi

Ah Babi,, Elvis Cole is a one of a kind character. Robert Crais is a wonderful writer. Somewhere between funny, kind,, and hard boiled.. Joe Pike, Elvis friend is all menace and fury, but Elvis has a soft interior. They are sort of in order,, since there is a serious romance in there..Not the Monkey,, he has not met her yet, but later in the books. Still they are all quite wonderful.

I'm so disappointed by your review, Stephanie...I'd just ordered it from my library...

The name Robert Crais sure rings a bell, but darned if I can remember anymore what I've read.

Nettie, if you like Elizabeth George, I hope you will read her latest in spite of our bad review. We'd love to hear a third opinion! Plus, I believe in overlooking one, even two, not-so-good books from a well-loved author. Sometimes, they disappoint but sometimes they are just having an off-moment.

Nevada Barr springs to mind. Her books have been quite up-and-down but her latest was definitely a reward for patience!

Robert Crais. Robert Crais. Gotta write that down...

"The Monkey's Raincoat" is a reference to an anthology of haiku published in 1691 by the great Japanese poet Basho. The title comes from one of his haiku:

 Winter showers,   
                 even the monkey searches   
                 for a raincoat

Basho has a wry humor. Sounds like the characters in this book face some heavy slogging. I want to read this one. ...Babi

My library has both of Alafair Burke’s mysteries, Jeryn, and I am looking forward to trying them.

I haven’t caught up with “Traitor to Memory” yet, Stephanie. I didn’t enjoy “A Place of Hiding”, which took place on Guernsey and featured Simon and Deborah, as much as the ones that feature Lynly and Havers. I like the tension between the latter two that is missing with the St. Jameses. I’m with you on Deborah. Simon deserves better. Lynly is probably the lucky one not to have won her. Can I have my bowl of cream now?

I am one behind on the Lindsey Davis series, BaBi. I want to read “The Body in the Bathhouse” before “The Accusers”. I love Didius Falco and Helena and the scruffy dog and Ancient Rome, as well as the complex but not confusing stories.

The latest in the Philip R. Craig series, “Murder at a Vineyard Mansion” lives up to the rest of the series. J.W. is finally brought kicking and struggling into the 20th century to the tune of a new computer. I love his daughter, Diana the Huntress. She never misses a trick. She is going to be a formidable adversary for J.W. as she grows older. I feel like I know Martha’s Vineyard as well as some of the places I have lived. I have never been there, but wonder if I would feel at home should I ever go.

Perkie and Stephanie, I could not get interested in Elizabeth George's latest novel either -- the one with just Simon and Deborah. Didn't even try to finish it. Guess I missed the Lynley/Havers team. All the others, I 've liked, tho I couldn't tell you what each one was about.

And Neveda Barr, someone mentioned her. I'd never read her before, but our little local mystery group is going to discuss her Flashback next week. The one about the Dry Tortugas National Park. I really liked it -- kind of a dual mystery -- current and historical -- and learned a lot about a National Park I'd never heard of before.

Have not read Traitor to Memory.. I usually wait until paperback before getting them. Still working on Monkeys Raincoat and also a Michael Connelly.. This one has Harry, retired from the police force working a cold case. Not too far into it yet.

Hi! I finally found the message area, and here goes nothing.

I'm also a big fan of Janet Evanovich. I don't like books with too much violence, so I am not a fan of the noir novels and such. Give me Janet, Jane Izenberg, Sharon Duncan, etc.

My favorite is Denise Swanson, and the Scumble River Series. She's a lot like me, and her books relate to things I've experienced.

To me, there's nothing like a hot cup of herbal tea and a good book. Currently reading "The Belles of Solace Glen " by Susan S. James. It's the first of a new series, and she's got me hooked already.

See you around the boards here, Cheryl

I see you made it in, Cheryl! Glad to see you here and find out about what you like to read. I had never heard of Denise Swanson so thanks for that tip. Hope to see you again soon.

I bet you would like a little series that I enjoy... the first one is called Crewel World. They are about a needlework shop whose owner somehow finds herself solving mysteries. The latest one is quite clever, I thought. Hanging by a Thread. The author is Monica Ferris. Definitely cozies, but not quite so cutesey as some.

Denise Swanson is new to me, Have to look for her in the store. I am still trying to find James Lee Burkes daughter. Think I will have to break down and order one from Amazon.

Jeryn,

Thanks for the tip. I read her first one, but haven't gotten to the others. You might like Sharon Fiffer, she's an antiques "picker" who , what else, solves mysteries. Dead Guy's Stuff was very good, and there is a new one just coming out.

As for Denise Swanson, her character is Skye Dennison, a school psychologist who, you guessed it, solves mysteries. As a retired teacher, I can easily realte to her and to the stuff she encounters.

Glad to be a part of this lively bunch.

Cheryl

Welcome to the Mystery Corner, Cheryl Tee. I have not read Denise Swanson’s Scumble River Series, but will be able to get it through interlibrary loan. I can hardly wait to become acquainted with Scumble River!

Our library has “Crewel World”, Jeryn, so I look forward to trying it soon.

Martha Grimes has been one of my standbys for years, and I think “Foul Matter” is one of her best. It is not in the Richard Jury series, and has as many twists and turns as O’Henry as well as many glimpses of humor, like a twinkle in Grimes’ eye showing through. It is set in the world of publishing and two of the protagonists are authors whose works are quoted extensively and I feel cheated that I cannot read the whole books!

I'm glad to learn of a Martha Grimes book that is not about Richard Jury. I like Grimes well enough, but I confess I got quite tired of Jury and his pals. Thanks for this non-Jury title, Perkie.

Babi

Thanks, Cheryl, I had read Killer Stuff but didn't know there were any more in that series. It was cute.

A non-Jury mystery by Martha Grimes just might entice me as well. She's a clever enough writer but seemed to be repeating herself quite a bit in the "Inn" series with Jury et al.

I hope you all like the Crewel World series. There are 7 of them now. I have the very latest, Cutwork waiting in my pile.

Right now, I've succumbed once again to the lately pretty bland life "400 miles north of everywhere". It's like an addiction; I can't quit! Is there anyone else who can't pass up a Cat Who...?

Jeryn I am a big Qwilleran fan, even tho I often say "never again" - I really like the way she puts unlikely people together and has a sort of screwball sense of humor, too. isak

Jeryn, I am the one,,, I dont like the Cat Who stuff at all. I love Rita Browns mysteries with the cat and corgi ( but then we own two corgi).. But never liked Lillian Braun at all.

I'm another one who is an avid fan. Her mysteries aren't much when it comes to mystery, really, but the characters are wonderful and I for one care what happens to them.

I can't find the message I posted either yesterday or the day before - I wonder what happened to it.

At any rate, I'm delighted to find this place.

Again, here is someone you may not have heard of, but I enthusiastically recommend " The Maltese Manuscript." English professor Karen Pelletier has to deal with two mysteries, a murder to solve, and the theft of the original manuscript of The Maltese Falcon. Written in a sort of Noir style, its fun and a good mystery.

Grammuzzy, I found this place too!! It's a good thing!

Tomereader

GramMuzzy, if you scroll down and look under the last message today, you'll see the words: "first ... previous ... no more messages ... outline". If you click on the word "previous", you'll go back to the last page of messages.

Every time I read a Cat Who... the past couple of years, I swear I'll never pick up another one! They used to be cuter and have more actual mystery to them. Anymore, they are just a bit of fluff. Enough! Which is my review of The Cat Who Talked Turkey!

Glad to see you making it back, Cheryl, and with more recommendations. Keep 'em coming! I hope you get some ideas from us too.

WELCOME to you, Tomereader! What sort of "tomes" do you favor?

I've started a good, old-fashion mystery, published in 1935. The classic John Dickson Carr's The Burning Court. Someone here had recommended it a while back. What a contrast to Lilian Jackson Braun in 2004! <LOL>

I haven't thought about John Dickson Carr in years. I'll bet I still have one or two tucked away somewhere.

The first Cat Who..... books were written in the 60's. I really enjoyed those. Then there were no more for a number of years until the recent spate of books. I believe she has just worn out the material, and may even be tired of writing them but does it for the money. If you'd read those earlier ones, you'd have a much better sense of the two cats.

I loved JOhn Dickson Carr. The Burning Court is wonderful, but most of his stuff was. Oh me, it does take me back.

Stephanie--

The Burning Court scared me half to death when I read it back in the 50's. I've got a new copy of it now and am just beginning to read it again. He could really paint a scene; and his Britishness was so good it was hard to believe he was from Pennsylvania.

I plan to go to the library tomorrow, if it is open! I hope I find some good mysteries so I can weather the storm comfortably.

http://members.aol.com/grobius/carr.htm

Thank you for the welcome! I prefer mystery "tomes", detective, legal thrillers, action/spy. I have been visiting the FTLOB forum. It is fun there. Several of the same people come here too. I am just now getting into posting messages, and am having a blast! Love you folks!

Our libraries were open today so I fot 3 books. One is a new one by Joan Hess. It is called Muletrain to Maggody. So I'll have something good to read during the storm. It was something to see that its hurricane shutters were up and they were putting plastic around some of their books. I also saw something I never expected to see in a library. Food! They have a little snack bar. I was always taught that food and books don't mix and had to wash my hands before reading a book.

Louise: I think food and beverages have come to be a part of a lot of libraries over the past few years. I think B&N with their cafe is probably responsible. Even our little local public library has a "coffee den" where one can sit with a cup of coffee or tea (donations accepted) and cookies provided by the Friends. Nothing fancy, but nice. [It's encouraged to drink and eat in that room where some newspapers are or can be taken in...and any book, of course. Without full time custodial services, it's hard to allow drinks out and about the stacks, etc.

I'm a Joan Hess fan and enjoy her Maggodity books...and really enjoy her Claire Malloy ones. She's due to get more of those out, I hope!

jane

Yikes, Louise, I hope your hatches are battened down while you are reading and weathering the storm! They're saying Frances will be a doozy!

So glad you are finding us to your liking, tomeReader! Tell us some more... your favorite authors, titles, etc. I love legal thrillers too. Lescroart, Grisham, Wilhelm, O'Shaugnessy... some of my favorite authors in that genre.

Oh dear... mayhaps I'd better not read The Burning Court at bedtime, eh? I like the way it starts out. However, I have to set it aside for a bit and read a new non-renewable book that has to be returned next week... Alafair Burke's latest. My husband was reading it so I started the Carr book when I should have waited.

So many books; so little time!

Jeryn, I have just yesterday checked out Alafair Burkes new one, "Missing Justice". Haven't started it yet as I have the new Kathy Reichs that is only 14 day checkout. (Plus I had all these other books) So I'm reading Reichs first (Nearly finished) then Burke.Just finished a David Lindsey, spy/counterspay. It was good but really gory! I read all the legal thriller authors you mentioned and others, but I am not averse to checking out someone I haven't read before. If the cover notes sound good, I check it out. I can only think of one book that I started and did not finish. I don't remember title or author, but it was a paperback mystery, and AWFUL! I like all the lady detectives. Wonder why there are no new V.I. Warshawski's?

Have you read Blacklist? It is just out in paperback. Haven't started it yet, but V.I. looks like she's into a really good one here

Cheryl

Just finished a book by a new author at least to me. Her name is Mary-Ann Tirone Smith and the book is called Love Her Madly. Just a great book fun to read. Have any of you read her books?

I think I read Blacklist when it came out in hardcover, not sure will check at my library. Sounds very familiar (title).

Haven't tried Mary Ann T-Smiths yet. Maybe next trip.

For mysteries, has anyone ever read any William Kent Krueger? He is very good, a lot of Indian lore with the action/detection. Lead character is Cork Corcoran.

Blacklist is good (if you're a Democrat). It's full of her political ideas: comparing the current administration to the McCarthy era. If you're a Republican, you might want to skip it.

I'm zooming right through Missing Justice, by Alafair Burke. It's even better than her first book. I'll soon be back with JD Carr!

Haven't kept up with V.I. Warshawski, Tomereader, though I used to like those. Something more to look for...

Judy, that author's name sure rings a bell... though that title doesn't. Has she written others?

Blacklist has been added to my list. Thanks, CherylTee, and JoanK as well, for the warning. <BG>

I love VI, so will look for Blacklist. Sara is an old fashioned type liberal and her books reflect that. I love them.

I've only read one V.I. Warshawski. I found it incredible that her friends, not to mention her lover, on the police force would disregard her information on things she had learned or witnessed. Simple routine police work would have demanded it be checked out, even if the informtion had come from some dingbat off the street. It simply was not believable. Even tho' I liked V.I. herself, I didn't read anymore of that series.

...Babi

One of VI's underlying messages seems to deal with the everyday corruption of Chicago.. Dont know anything about Chicago other than it was horribly cold the time I was there. But I know that VI's vision is of an overwhelming city.

Jeryn she has written others.

The book of Phoebe

Lament for a Silver-Eyes Woman

The Port of Missing Men

Masters of Illusion

An Americian Killing

She's Not There

She Smiled Sweetly

I enjoyed her so much I might have to check the others out.

Stephanie: Have you found the two newest/co0authored books by Jill Paton Walsh and Dorothy L Sayers? They are A Presumption of Death and Thrones, Dominations. These were two unfinished manuscripts by Sayes, but now completed by Jill Walsh Paton, who was a big fan of DLS, She went to Oxford, after reading Gaudy Night and declaring her dream was to graduate from Oxford. She proceeded to do that and also complete two books. I have them on tape. and they are superb. Now, if the BBC would only add them to those done by Masterpiece Theatre, we'd be in Seventh Heaven. They complete so many of the stories of the Wimsey family and Circle - and are simply invaluable to a real Harriet/Peter fan. isak

I was not over fond of Thrones. Have not read the other. I guess I have some strong feelings about finishing anothers original work. Did not like it when the cookmystery Virginia Rich died, someone else ( I think Nancy Pickard) worked on that.. Then Robert Parker did some work on Hammett..There are several others that escape me at present.. But none of them had quite the feel of the original author.

My daughter felt the same way about a favorite of hers, V. J. Andrews. The heirs hired a writer(s)? to continue writing books in the same style, under the name of V.J. Andrews, but she says they just don't have the 'touch' of the originals. She no longer reads what they put out. ...Babi

Thanks, Judy. Made notes!

I've tried some of these "devoted" authors who try to cash in on unfinished work of deceased giants. They are invariably disappointing. It's all about $$$, if you ask me!

I've been busy and can't remember if I mentioned finishing Alafair Burke's latest, Missing Justice? Anyhow, it was even better than her first. Sure hope she continues the series.

I also finished The Burning Court by John Dickson Carr. Not what I expected at all. I guess I'm beyond the old-fashion ghost story; just seemed kind of silly.

Oh, well, can't win 'em all! Next for me will be Murder in Academia, recommended by someone here. My husband is reading it right now.

Well, I did not like either of them at first, reading them that is, but when I heard the tapes it was interesting how close to the other stories they came, and more than that, how they filled in the stories of what finally happened to the Harriet and Peter, and the rest of the famiy in WWII. I think that the two actors doing the reading, Edward Pether- bridge and Ian someone were able to help with that process too. It could be that I just have a thing about Dorothy Sayers, too, of course and would be satisfied with anything. isak

I just started Full blast, by Janet Evanovich and Charlotte Hughes.

So far I like it! Francy

I did not like the joint Evanovitch at all. They have written several They have also republished Janets first stuff. Again, not anywhere near Plum.. Oh authors, why do they have to go back and revisit the old stuff.

STEPHANIE: I agree. I read the second one, figuring the first would be bad, and couldn't finish it. her humor doesn't work away from New Jersey.

I just finished her new one, A Place of Hiding. I know many of you said you didn't care for it, but I enjoyed it....maybe not as much as many of hers.

I missed the maps, isn't she the writer that usually has maps on the inside of the covers?? None in this book.

JoanK.. You have a point that I did not think about. New Jersey does sort of suit the humor and Stephanie Plum has a really fun outlook.. Not quite so " oh so perfect" woman as most of the romance people are.

Authors get a little popularity, then they dredge up early works, grade school theme papers, future scenarios and try to pawn them off on us! I still say it's all about $$$!!!

How about it folks? I'm ashamed to admit, Nettie, I don't remember maps in E. George's novels??? Nevada Barr always has maps. And some others do, I think...

I can't wait... for Ronnie to finish Murder in Academia. I went ahead and started something else, an old Barbara Holloway, possibly the first of that series, by Kate Wilhelm. It's called Death Qualified. I found the old PB in the library bookstore for 50 cents.

I read Death Qualified years ago. Kate Wilhelm also write SCI-FI.. Good writer. Yes writers and money are very close.. or possibly the publisher pushes for anything in that line. Who knows.

Has anyone here read the Lindsey Davis mysteries set in ancient Rome? Some one in our Latin Class recommended them.

Judy

I recently read The Accusers by Lindsey Davis, Judy. Put Lindsey Davis in the search area and you will see several posts about these books. I enjoyed the one I read. I hadn't heard of Lindsey Davis before seeing this book in the library. Sue

Sue!! What a relief to see you posting and know you're back online and have survived Ivan the Terrible!

jane

"THE ACCUSERS" is the latest of a large number of fine mysteries featuring Marcus Didius Falco and set in Rome or its outlying empire. The historical background is excellent, and the characters so very real and human. I glady recommend these books. ...Babi

Thanks, Jane. We were really lucky here. Two tornado warnings, high gusts of wind, power outages, and lots of rain, but not the damage received in Montgomery and further south. Sue

So glad to hear from you, Sue. And delighted to hear that you're okay. Have you posted in the Alabama discussion yet? (I haven't gotten there yet on this reading.)

Thanks, Mary. I just left a message there. BellSouth is running pretty slowly and I am trying to catch up with my subscriptions. I hope you'll be OK with the rain and flooding expected up there when Ivan stalls. Sue

We got 6 1/2" of rain at our house - no wind problems and no power outages. There are other places in the area that have had big problems - trees down,yards washed away, a bridge washed out, businesses flooded, roads impassable. Just depends what the terrain is where you live. Fortunately, we live in a subdivision built on the side of a hill.

I am SO glad to see you posters are safe and survived Ivan's fury! What a season you all are having in the Southeast!! Something to tell your grandchildren, for sure. At our age, maybe I should say it's something for your grandchildren to tell THEIR grandchildren! <BG>

I've been a bit busy lately but managed to read Murder is Academic by Christine Poulson. Very enjoyable first novel, a very British mystery set at Cambridge. I hope Poulson writes some more.

A happy trip to the library today... brought home R is for Ricochet! A nice read to take on a trip, I hope. We're going to central Oregon for a couple of days next week.

I think I'm two books behind on Sue Grafton. I'll have to hunt up "Q", and then look for "R".

I recently finished Anne Perry's latest William Monk story, The Shifting Tide. It was well up to her high standard, and had one of the most poignant stories I've read lately. ..Babi

I wonder what Dry Tortugas National Park looks like now that Hurricane Ivan roared passed, Pedlin. I enjoyed the dual mystery also, and am looking forward to when the Yosemite one comes out in paperback, having done some hiking and camping there in my more vigorous days.

Your analysis of the latest “Cat Who …” series made me laugh, Jeryn. Yes, they have gotten rather bland and the last one didn’t have enough of Koko’s detecting antics, but I still return to "400 miles north of everywhere" whenever a new one appears on shelf.

A mystery about a stolen mystery! Sounds good, and I don’t mind noir, Cheryl. I am adding "The Maltese Manuscript" to the titles by Joanne Dobson on my list. I have already read “Quieter Than Sleep” and “Northbury Papers”.

I love the Lindsey Davis series set in ancient Rome, under the reign of Tiberius, Judy. A different perception of Tiberius was presented in Taylor Caldwell’s “Dear and Glorious Physician”, not a mystery but Didius Falco did keep coming to mind while I read it.

After a couple of April Woo mysteries by Leslie Glass, I find I am still a little iffy about the books. I sort of like them and sort of get bored with them. Think I will move on to some of the other titles I have been jotting down like mad!

I am getting hooked on Carlaine Harris’ Southern vampire series. I read “Dead Until Dark” and look forward to “Living Dead in Dallas”. I find the premise of vampires having legal citizenship rights to be creative. I also loved Harris’s Shakespeare, Arkansas, series.

Another interesting premise was found in Ruth Francisco’s “Confessions of a Deathmaiden” which moves a step beyond the Hospice movement. A deathmaiden can check the thoughts of a dying person to see when he or she is ready to die and then is able to usher him or her peacefully out of life. She can also save a life from being taken off life support too soon if that person is not ready. Not a great book, but it held my interest.

Perkie,, Am in Ft. Smith, Ark. on our trip west in the motorhome.. I do love the Charlaine Harris series and did think of her while in this state.. Good series.

I have another Dorothy Cannell mystery, "God Save The Queen". Her books are fun to read; I think this is my second.

//Babi

I have posted this on the other side too, so forgive the repetition. I am trying to find the author's name for a series of mysteries whose main character is a newspaper man/editor? who must wear a mask to cover his facial disfigurement. The stories are set in Minneapolis/ St. Paul. Can anyone help?

Never came across that one, Tomereader. Facial mask? In these days of plastic surgery? Must be a really bad disfigurement. If someone can answer your question, I'll be interested in looking into it. ..Babi

BaBi, thx for yr response. It seems he was severely injured in the war (vietnam I think)and so badly that there was nothing they could do. (The character, not the author - but you knew that) I hope someone can figure this out. Went to my library and had them do a search using all the words I had already used in my search. I even went to MysteryNet forum and that is one confusing website. I was able to post a message though.

Ho hum, maybe someday!

I found it!! It is Steve Thayer, character's name is Rick Beanblossom. There are 3 in the series, plus some others not in the series. I went to the listings at the bottom of the Mystery main page, which it shows links (incl. Mysterynet) and then down to the link for "other series". Plugged in the locale of the books, and ouila (sp?) there it was. Wheeee!

Great hunting, Tomereader. Thayer, huh? I'll make a note of that. Beanblossom, now...that I should be able to remember. Was this guy Native American, I wonder? Sounds like an Indian name. ...Babi

"Come with me now to those thrilling days of yesteryear..." I know this forum is about books, but I was having one of my Sr. reminiscences (sp)about the olden, golden days of radio. Does anyone but me remember "The Shadow", "Boston Blackie", "Let's Pretend" as well as "The Lone Ranger"? Funny how this stuff just comes filling up my head when I least expect it.

TOMEREADER: my kids gave me some tapes of old "Shadow" shows, from the early days when Orson Wells was The Shadow. They're great! I'll bet they are available online.

My favorite (I may have posted this before): you remember the Shadow has the ability to cloud men's mind so they can't see him. But apparantly he doesn't have the ability to coud snake's minds: snakes can see him. So the villianess sets a trap: she plans to have her pet asp kill the shadow.

However, the Shadow, brilliant as he is, gets wind of this. He goes to the zoo, and borrows their asp. In the showdown, his asp kills her asp!!

AAAAAHHHH. You don't get plots like that anymore!!!

I do remember all those old radio shows. The Shadow was on in the evening but not until after I was in bed supposedly sleeping. My father always watched it and my room was next to the living room. Let's Pretend and the Lone Ranger were on Saturday Morning and I listened to them when I was staying with my grandfather. Another favorite of mine was Sargeant Preston and His Dog King. They were members of the Canadian Mounties.

How about The Inner Sanctum? Used to scare the daylights out of me.

That's another one I had to listen to while pretending to be asleep.

Inner Sanctum was a favorite of mine, too. How could one ever forget that creaking door? Do you remember Lux Radio Theatre? They had some great stories. How about Dr. I.Q.? Didn't we feel smart when we could answer a question?

...Babi

Oh, yesss. That was one of my favorites too. Don't know how I forgot to put it on my list. I do remember Sgt. Preston, also Sky King.

These last few posts certainly bring back some happy memories. Sky King and Sgt. Preston were on in the afternoon when I got home from school.

Congratulations, Tomereader, on finding your mystery author, double entendre intended. Beanblossom might be a Southern name, BaBi. When my father was teaching at Georgia Tech he had a blond south Georgia student with the surname of Beanblossom.

I remember all of the radio shows mentioned, as well as a lot of others. For a nostalgic trip, try http://www.radiolovers.com/

Laurie R. King has not lost her touch. Her latest in the Mary Russell/Sherlock Holmes series is “The Game” and they are in India. They are following the trail of Kim, the subject of Rudyard Kipling’s story, who is now a 45 year old agent for the British. A great blending of the real and the fictional.

Babi, Lux Radio Theatre -- yes, on MOnday nights when I was growing up, and another was Bell Telphone HOur -- didn't they do movies for radio listeners -- an hour long show.

How could anyone forget the creaking door of Inner Santum. I used to beg my family to change the station -- it scared me too, Elly Mae.

Not a mystery, but I always liked Dr. Christian --"the only show in radio where the audience writes the script." Rememer his nurse Jeanne.

But my early career plans were shaped by Nick Carter -- I wanted to be (oh shades of pre feminine mystique, before glass ceilings, etc) a secretary to a detective.

Thanks for the link, Perkie. It lists some more that I had not remembered. Thanks for allowing me to shake up the old brain cells.!

I was trying to remember if the "Beanblossom" character ever mentioned the origin of his name. (A faint memory, maybe just a brain cluster, says "English" (UK)). I might've dreamed that up.

I actually came here to ask if anyone had ever heard of Patricia Sprinkler. She had an article in my monthly church magazine, along with a blurb describing her as a mystery novelist from Georgia. The name sounds quite familiar, but I can't find anything by her.

We are certainly a dandy group of people here! I love it, I love it, I love it!!!

By the way, I hope none of you are in Florida, and suffered the slings and arrows of Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne. I know this last storm is going to head up the coast, so you Carolinians, Virginians, take care!

There is a radio program title that goes through my empty head from time to time and I wish I knew the whole thing. It went something like Will a small town girl from the mountains of -------find happiness. Just can't remember the whole thing.

My Gal Sunday was a radio soap opera that my Grandmother listened to faithfully after she retired from the Post Office. I think Sunday lived in a mining town and married a Lord something or other who was a wealthy mine owner, but she had many problems. Sue

Several new books were listed on our Sunday book page today: Dana Stabenow (Taint in the Blood); Margaret Coel (Wife of Moon); Patricia Cornwell (Trace). And there was mention of a new author (to us), James D. Doss (The Witch's Tongue) - his protagonist is a Ute indian. So far, our library only lists the Cornwell in the on-line catalog - I'm #36 on the hold list.

But I'm #16 for the "R" Grafton.

Mary, I have Trace by Cornwell. It will be a few days before I read it. If you want it before the hold list gets to you, let me know. The Dana Stabenow is really hard to come by, I have it on hold here in Dallas, and it will be 12/1 before they get it. I am first on the list. I love Dana's books, both the Kate Shugak and Liam Campbell series. The "Danamaniacs" are Dana's on-line fan club, and I subscribe to their site. It is on MSN in their Groups. Anyway, they have almost all gotten their books, but they ordered from either Amazon or B&N.

Thanks, TR - I'll wait for the Cornwell - I have a tall stack of books that I need to get through, so it'll probably come about the right time. We LOVE Stabenow - and surprisingly, one of our daughters doesn't like her stories at all. Oh, well...... Stabenow writes a regular column in Alaska Magazine, too.

I love Stabenow for what I learn about Alaska and the Inuits. She introduced me to Inuit soapstone carving, which I love. But her writing is uneven: sometimes she gets so carried away expressing her views and one-upping anyone who disagrees with her, she forgets to write.

One of the perks of volunteering at the library is that I can grab the new books as they are checked in and before they go back on the "7 Day Shelf" so I was pleased to pick up R is for Ricochet on Friday. As soon as I finish these last few pages of Jane Langton's "Face on the Wall" (good but kind of different from her other books--centers around fairy tales) I'll shake hands with Kinsey Milhone again and see what she is up to now. I'm looking forward to it.

BTW, I agree on Dana Stabenow. She does get bogged down on her soapbox now and then but still like reading of her Alaska setting.

MaryZ, maybe your daughter is like me. I have trouble enjoying books where the hero/heroine has to struggle against bitter cold. Perhaps I have too much imagination, but I find it too real -I feel immobilized-and unpleasant. Must be my thin Texan blood.

I am currently reading "The City of Light", novel with a mystery, set in Buffalo, NY at the time the powerhouses first brought electricity to the city. The historical background is excellent, and the main character somewhat unique for her day. "City of Light" was a much praised first novel by a woman named Lauren Belfer. She was supposed to be writing another novel, but this is the first I've heard of her. I need to check and see if she has pubished anything else.

BAbi

Judy:

I think it went like this. Can a girl from a little mining town in the west find happiness as the wife of a wealthy and titled Englishman?

That's it, Elly Mae. I couldn't remember the lead in to the show, but did remember that Sunday was married to the wealthy and titled Englishman. Sue

Yep, Babi, that daughter lives in South Carolina. Where in Texas are you from? My parents were both born in Bonham, TX (NE corner), and I grew up in Houston. John went to HS in Houston, and we both went to Rice (he graduated from UofH). We moved to Tennessee in 1962. I still have an aunt and cousin who live in The Valley.

The coincidences go on and on. I was a medical transcriptionist as a teenager and young adult, then worked as office manager and typist for a group of orthopaedic surgeons before I retired. Ain't it funny!

What a heap of memories you all have brought back! Radio "shows" were super! I remember The Inner Sanctum [ooooh so scary], the Hit Parade, Let's Pretend, and sometimes I'd hide behind the door and listen while my gramma and great gramma had their soaps on! I never hear Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony [the Pathetique] without thinking back to those clandestine afternoons!

Phyll, the weather news indicates you are being visited by a naughty lady named Jeanne. I hope it's not too bad for you? I hope all our friends in the southeast are surviving without undue stress.

R is for Ricochet will help you through. I just finished it - a fast-moving, quick read and quite entertaining.

Spent a restless night with the emergency radio going off several times. Most of the times it was for flood watches but at 4:45 this morning it was for a tornado warning just a few miles south of us and heading toward us so we grabbed robes and slippers and headed for the basement. (Thank goodness we have one in this house!) Finally the warning was lifted about an hour later with no damage near us but some property damage just a few miles south of us, no personal injuries though, thank goodness. Several tornadoes reported moving over central NC during the night with some damage but that was the closest one. Things have calmed down now though it is still raining and gloomy. Promises of sunshine tomorrow. I hope so!

Too sleepy to read Grafton today---keep nodding off. I'll tackle her tomorrow.

Born in Houston, MaryZ, and lived around here off and on most of my life. I'm currently living in a small town SE of Houston. My older daughter graduated from Rice. I've often thought I would happily give up the flat, humid coast for hill country, but most of my family are right around here, so I stay. Thank goodness for A/C!! ..Babi

Sorry folks - just a big of old stuff. Babi, we moved to Houston in 1943, and lived in Park Place until after WW II, then moved to Bellaire. Our house (which is no longer there) was near the intersection of Bellaire Blvd and Post Oak Road. I graduated from Lamar HS (1953), John from San Jacinto (1952). We met at Rice. We moved to Tennessee in 1962. Small world, isn't it.

And the smaller it gets, the more trouble we have with the neighbors! ...Babi

Thanks Ellie May that is it.,

I have enjoyed so much reading these last few posts. How fortunate we were to grow up when such wonderful shows were on the radio. I, too, remember Dr. Christian and his nurse. Maybe that's why I became a nurse. That squeeky door of the Inner Sactum scared me too, but since I was supposed to be asleep I could not complain. Another thing that used to scare me was the roar of the MGM lion.

I was sick when I was little and had to stay in bed for a long time. I used to listen to the radio in the afternoon and early evening. The soaps didn't scare me, but the sports news that came on afterward did. No one in my family followed sports and I didn't know what they were talking about. So when I heard that the Tigers had beaten the Giants, I was frightened. It never occurred to my parents to explain.

A good mystery can be such fun. I recently finished the most recent Jack Higgins book Dark Justice. It was good but not up to his usual standard.

A book I throughly enjoyed R is for Ricochet by Sue Grafton was an excellent read. Another excellent read is Ten Big Ones by Janet Evanovich.

Today I will be picking up Robert B Parker's latest, Melancholy Baby from the library.

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The Maltese Falcon

Bill H

Just finished reading Tempting Fate by Meryl Sawyer and it was fun. Kind of a mystery murder love story all mixed togeather. The end fooled me, but I enjoyed the book.

The library just sent a notice that my reserved copy of R is for Ricochet is in. Hooray! I can go pick that up tomorrow.

Mary Z In R is for Ricochet Grafton goes back to her light and fun style that got me hooked in the first place.

Oh goody! I look forward to finding that newest Sue Grafton book.

Egad, after reading my comment about the latest Mary Russell/Sherlock Holmes, I find that I said that the story is a blending of the real and the fictional. Am I losing touch with reality?

Were you thinking of Patricia Houck Sprinkle, Pedlin? Try her biography. She is from West Virginia but has lived in Atlanta. Her father was a preacher. http://www.patriciasprinkle.com/bio.htm

Oh, wow, Mary Z, three of my favorite authors: Dana Stabenow, Margaret Coel, and James D. Doss. I will be watching the new book shelf! I agree with your evaluation of Stabenow, JoanK, especially in her later books. The good parts with Kate and Mutt are worth the less interesting parts.

Publisher’s Weekly also gives "City of Light" by Lauren Belfer an enthusiastic review, BaBi. And it is in my local library. The setting sounds fascinating. Did you gasp at the implications of the identity of the politician who raped Louisa?

I've been reading my first mystery by Nora Charles: Death with an Ocean View ...with Kate Kennedy, a "senior" who's recently widowed and living in South Florida. I'm enjoying it so far.

jane

Jane, really -- Nora Charles -- but surely not Nick's Nora. "Death with an Ocean View" sounds like another one to read at our January Books at the Beach. An intriguing title. I've put it on my "to read" list.

No, I don't think it's Nick's Nora!! ;0)

Yes, definitely a "beach book." I have a large print Library book and there's no information about the author...and what I assume is a pseud./"pen name"

jane

PERKIE, I can only say my image of a rather stodgy historical figure has undergone a radical change. (And he's just background in this book set in Buffalo.) ..Babi

Anyone have any recommendations for a good Halloween mystery? Would be fun to read them in season.

N

Selected Fiction Titles at the Springfield Library

Susan Wittig Albert Hangman's Root Witches Bane

Braun, Lillian Jackson Cat Who Talked to Ghosts

W J Burley Wycliffe and the Scapegoat

R Wright Campbell The Wizard of La-La Land

Agatha Christie Hallowe'en Party

Susan Rogers Cooper Not in My Backyard

P.C. Doherty Ghostly Murders

Carole Nelson Douglas Cat with an Emerald Eye

Loren D. Estleman The Witchfinder I read and enjoyed this book

Jerrilyn Farmer Sympathy For The Devil

Jessica Fletcher & Donald Bain Trick or Treachery

Leslie Glaister Trick or Treat

Jane Haddam Skeleton Key

Carolyn Hart Southern Ghost

Shirley Jackson The Haunting of Hill House

Jonnie Jacobs Murder Among Us

Sheridan LeFanu Best Ghost Stories of J.S. LeFanu

Alex Matthews Satan's Silence

Ed McBain Tricks: an 87th Precinct mystery

Mardi Oakley Medawar Witch of the Palo Duro

Leslie Meier Trick or Treat Murder

Barbara Michaels Dancing Floor Prince of Darkness

Tamar Myers Nightmare in Shining Armor

Ellis Peters Flight of a Witch

Nancy Pickard Twilight

Corinne Holt Sawyer Murder Olé!

Kathleen Taylor Mourning Shift

Kathy Hogan Trochek Strange Brew

GinnyAnn, thanks for this list. My book club at the library will discuss spooky books at the next meeting. Every member will read and review one or two. This gives me a start for looking for something to read. Sue

Halloween Mysteries That Won't Scare You To Death

Witches' Bane Albert, Susan Wittig

Tarot cards, fortune telling, poisonous plants and accusations of New Age witchcraft make the residents of Pecan Springs uneasy as Halloween approaches.

Trick or Treachery Bain, Donald

The people of Cabot Cove always plan their annual Halloween party to include elaborate costumes and props. One thing they didn't include in their plan is the dead body of the town's alleged witch, found propped up against the tombstones in the cemetery.

The Cat Who Talked to Ghosts Braun, Lilian Jackson

Newspaper reporter Jim Qwilleran is surprised when he receives a frantic midnight telephone call from his friend Iris Cobb. Even more surprising is her claim that a ghost is stalking her in the old Goodwinter farmhouse.

The Haunting of Torre Abbey Bugge, Carole

Sherlock Holmes and John Watson are summoned to a twelfth-century monastery to dispatch a threatening ghost.

Wolf in Sheep's Clothing Campbell, Ann-Jeanette

While chasing her dog through a cornfield maze on Halloween night, Annie O'Hara stumbles on the body of one of her female tenants.

Hallowe'en Party Christie, Agatha

Bobbing for apples becomes a deadly game when a young girl drowns at a children's party. Her death might have been dismissed as an accident, but it happened right after the child bragged that she had witnessed a murder.

Cat with an Emerald Eye Douglas, Carole Nelson

A costume party and a séance to awaken the spirit of Harry Houdini are part of the holiday schedule for Temple Barr and her black cat Midnight Louie.

Halloween Murder Freydont, Shelley

A practical joker jeopardizes the local Mischief Night Marathon when his tricks turn deadly.

A Few Dying Words Gosling, Paula I like this author

Bonfires, pranks, and murder invade the small town of Blackwater Bay during the annual Halloween Howl celebration.

Skeleton Key Haddam, Jane

Ex-FBI agent Gregor Demarkian is summoned to Connecticut when cemetery pranks are connected to the murder of a young heiress.

Revenge of the Cootie Girls Hayter, Sparkle

Reporter Robin Hudson and her friends plan a Halloween girls' night out in New York City. Their party mood vanishes when Robin's intern doesn't show up for the festivities.

The Wailing Wind Hillerman, Tony

Reports of strange music and eerie wailing lead Joe Leaphorn to investigate an old case involving a woman who disappeared years before.

Trick or Treat Murder Meier, Leslie

Halloween for Lucy Stone usually involves baking cupcakes and making costumes for her children. This year arson and murder threaten the All Ghoul's Festival.

Nightmare in Shining Armor Myers, Tamar

Abby Timberlake's costume party comes to a smashing end when she discovers a dead body in a suit of armor stashed under her bed. Murder suspects include Little Bo Peep, Lady Godiva, Moses, and Rhett Butler.

Twilight Pickard, Nancy

Organizing an autumn festival proves more challenging than foundation director Jenny Cain anticipated. Everyone on the planning committee seems to have a hidden agenda.

The Devil Down Home Sandstrom, Eve K.

On the way to the church to decorate for a haunted house, the local sheriff and his wife discover Dracula hitchhiking in the rain.

Strange Brew Trocheck, Kathy Hogan

Callahan Garrity, private investigator and owner of a cleaning service, is overwhelmed in both of her business ventures when a microbrewery and a tornado roll into her neighborhood.

All Hallows' Evil Wolzien, Valerie

When Susan stumbles over a man's body in the Hancock Public Library, she thinks he is just playing a Halloween prank; then she notices the knife and the blood.

Wow, some good titles there. I have read The Haunting of Hill House and that is a good one. Also like Paula Gosling, so will look for that one.

Sounds like fun to read a Halloween book this season. Now which one will I choose? There are several in the two lists that look interesting.

Mary

WONDERFUL lists, and so timely, gaj! Thanks a million!

I think Tamar Myers is the author I noticed at the library the other day, who writes all her mysteries in holiday settings. It looked to me as tho' she has a book for every holiday. I know I saw Halloween (listed above), Easter, St. Patrick's Day, and a half-dozen others. Oh, and I don't want to forget Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah. I want to remember that name and check it out for each holiday. What fun!

Babi

I love online public library catalogs! The Waterford Public Library in Maine has an excellent subject bibliography of mystery fiction, including seasonal and holiday: http://www.waterborolibrary.org/bklistm.htm#mysthol

Perkie, I agree. It's fun to browse collections at other libraries. I just wish our local public would get away from its telnet catalog. It's cumbersome to use.

Kellerman fans -- have you read "Double Homicide?" Check out the NYT site below --Double Homicide by J.K. and Double Homicide by F.K. -- all in one package, upside down from each other. And you don't even know which twin has the Toni.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/05/books/05bbox.html

Oh, now, the Kellerman's are getting just too clever. Let us know, PEDLIN, if this 'double' homicide is good. ..Babi

"which twin has the Toni"

Haven't heard that in years: my twin and I used to hate it: we heard it all too often!!

Sara Paretsky's latest "Blacklist" and P.D.James "The Murder Room" these may not be on your listings..but I was in England at the time Colkot

P.D. James is one of my favorites, Colkot. I like Dalgliesh, and see him in my mind’s eye as he appears on Mystery! I liked the setting of the little museum on the edge of Hamstead Heath in “The Murder Room”.

I was disappointed in Jane Langton’s “Murder at the Gardner”. It seemed to drag on and on. I read the first third of the book, and then the last chapter so see who did it. Usually I love her stories, but felt she never hit her stride. Partly it was because Mary was away and I got so tired of Homer’s whining. Of course a house is empty when one partner is off somewhere else, but she was enjoying herself and doing some good, concentrated work and he should have been more supportive of her. Okay, off my soapbox.

Thank you for recommending Patricia MacDonald, Jane. At least, I think it was you. When I did a search under the author’s name, I came up with Mystery Corner and your name and Oct.6, 2:12 am. When I clicked on Mystery Corner, I could not find a message from you. Anyway, to make a short story longer, whoever it was, thank you. I just finished “Mother’s Day” and was engrossed all the way through. I cared about the characters from the first page and was reading so fast at the end that my eyes were practically tripping over each other. Very satisfying.

Read Robert B Parker's Melancholy Baby and really loved it. It is the latest Sunny Randall Novel. Parker had Susan Silverman as one of the secondary characters. It was fun to read about her from another character's perspective.

Perkie, I loved your description of reading so fast that your "eyes were practically tripping over each other". I know the feeling, but would never have thought to put it that way. Absolutely perfect!

Someone asked a bit ago. There is a Patricia Sprinkle.. She writes mostly about Atlanta.. As I remember her detective is a woman who is widowed and was married to a diplomat. Interesting.

Oh, dear me, whatever shall I do? I have discovered yet another mystery author, with three books under her belt, and I only just found her latest one on the current shelf. Nancy Geary, latest title is "Regrets Only". Previous ones are "Misfortune" and "Redemption". Set in Philadelphia, with lady police detective Lucy O'Malley. Cover page says "...novels of murder and manners". This one was very good! I shall search out the others. That's all I need, I have 5 books from the library already, and 5 that I ordered. Somebody, quick, put another 8 hours in the day!!! LOL.

Oh, I do hope they like it.
New/Old.
An old favorite, "Books Into Movies" is coming back November 1st. This is the general discussion forum that Lorrie moderated for several years, and is being brought back by popular request.
The forum will include ALL books made into movies, both fiction and nonfiction, old-timers, and recent novels. You are invited to express your opinion of what you think of these movies that were adapted from the books, and what their authors should have demanded from the producers of the screen plays. I hope to see all of you there on November 1st
I sincerely hope that I can do as good a job as Lorrie. With your cooperation, I believe it will be a great general discussion. And just in time for the holidays.

Bill H.

Sounds like a good discussion, Bill. Be sure to give us a link to it.

Mary Z, I sure will.

Bill H

I am reading Crossed Bones by Carolyn Haines. I have never read a book by her. I am really enjoying it.

Publishers’ Weekly also likes Nancy Geary’s latest title, "Regrets Only”, Tomereader. A quote from them reads: Geary's blending of a psychological thriller with classic police procedural produces a crime novel with appeal to fans of both subgenres. I will be scanning the new book shelf at the library. Thanks.

They also said about “Crossed Bones” by Carolyn Haines: This cozy read is the next best thing to curling up with a mint julep on the porch swing on a lazy afternoon. Thanks, Hats. A Southern PI who is fiercely independent and outrageously witty is worth looking for. I think it is interesting that she also writes a Harlequin Intrigue series under the name of Caroline Haines.

I like to pick up books by authors I don’t know from the new book shelf. Of course, I get some duds that way, but this time I was pleasantly surprised. The author is Marjorie Eccles and the title is “Untimely Graves”. It is set in a small English village set on the edge of the Black Country, near Birmingham, where the author lives. I would class it as a cozy with good descriptions and characters.

Perkie,

I do love cozies. I finished 'Crossed Bones.' I did feel as though I had tasted a few mint juleps just by reading a wonderful mystery (laugh).

Thanks for mentioning Margaret Eccles. I will look for her book at the library. I have a M.C. Beaton checked out from the library. I have never read these cozies either.

Last night I started 'Poppy Done to Death' by Charlaine Harris. It's pretty good so far, but not as wonderful as Carolyn Haines' book.

Am reading Anna Salter's..."Prison Blues". Definitely not a cozy, but an interesting intricate mystery of a psychologist,,a prison sex offenders group and a very complicated heroine, who is 8 months pregnant, fiercely independent and very quirky.. Very good read indeed. Just now passing through Amarilla, Tx.. cold..windy.. ugh..

Well, you know what we Texans say about Amarillo, Stephanie. "There's nothing between Amarillo and the North Pole but a barbwire fence!" And if you study a topographical map, that's pretty close to accurate. ...Babi

I have just finished "Suspect" by Michael Robotham. Talk about your can't put down! I was up till 4:00 AM so I could finish it. It's set in England, and let me warn you it has a plethora of violence, and several instances of bad language. An International Book of the Month, it is Mr. Robotham's debut in the psychological thriller. If you start reading it, do so in the early afternoon, or you, too, will be awake till 4:00 for the "twisty" finish. Oh, I am so exhausted!

Thank you for your Texan quote, BaBi: "There's nothing between Amarillo and the North Pole but a barbwire fence!" It gave me the best laugh I have had in days. The most beautiful thunderstorm I have ever witnessed was one night on a Greyhound bus headed for Van Horn. The sky was almost continuously ablaze with lightning for over an hour.

I’m sold on "Suspect" by Michael Robotham, Tomereader. That was quite an endorsement. Unfortunately, it apparently won’t be released in the US until next January. It is on my list and I have put in a request for it at my library.

Did anyone else see the latest Lynley/Havers episode on ‘Mystery!’? It was “Deception on His Mind”. I thought it was an excellent book-to-movie rendition. I found it to be the most gripping episode in the Lynley/Havers ‘Mystery!’ series.

I know this is off the topic of mysteries, but Nevada Barr has a non-fiction book titled “Seeking Enlightenment – Hat By Hat”. It is the story of her joining a church because it was close to her apartment and her struggle as she works to become a part of that community. Written with her usual style. The following is the excerpt that resonated the most with me:

"And what's this about 'God will never give you a cross too heavy for you to bear'? What a crock. We're given crosses to heavy to bear all the time."

Perkie, fortunately I got my copy through Literary Guild (where I spend entirely too much on books). It was like a "pre-release" thing. One reason I bought it, and it did sound fascinating.

On another tack, does anyone here read Robert K. Tanenbaum (legal thrillers). He is so good, the books are sometimes slow going because of all the legal mumbo jumbo, but otherwise he's a good author to add to your list. I went back to his beginning books, and have read up to the present. (and boy has he written a lot)

I may turn in immediately after the debates tonight to catch up on my sleep.

Happy reading!

While on vacation, I bought "Murder in the Museum" (A Fethering Mystery) by Simon Brett. It's different than his other series and I've enjoyed the several he has written so far. The difference between the two women, Carole & Jude, is interesting. I've just gotten back from several weeks in New England where I enjoyed the beautiful foliage. We have many beautful areas here in Florida but no autumn colors that can compare with the northeast.

We had a series of Lynley/Havers mysteries here on PBS recently, Perkie, and I thought they were some of the best I have seen. I checked into the PBS forum to see is they were being discussed, but they weren't. Then this past Sunday they had a two-part P. D. James mystery. It featured Adam Dalgleish and was quite good. It's strange, but I don't remember having seen one of the Dalgleish stories on TV before.

Babi

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Bill H

Some years back there were several of the P. D. James stories on TV with Roy Marsden as Adam Dalgleish. (A Certain Justice, was one I think I remember.) Anyway, Roy Marsden played Dalgleish several times but then refused to play him ever again. So now I am having trouble seeing this new actor as Commander Dalgleish. Just doesn't look the way he should. Funny how we become so identified with one face belonging to one character. For instance, no one but David Suchet will ever be Hercule Poirot for me from now on!

I agree that the Lynley/Havers mysteries were really good. I enjoyed them a lot but I still can't see that actress as Barbara Havers. Still too attractive and not heavy enough as I picture the character in the book. The TV Barbara I like---the Book Barbara I found I was frequently irritated with!

I remember thinking, Phyll, when I saw my first Lynley/Havers mystery, that Havers was surprisingly unattractive for a central character in a series. But then, I hadn't read the books, so I didn't know she was supposed to be. Since then, I think she has gradually evolved into a more attractive 'Havers'.

Considering this is film, I'm sure the producers feel this is what people would prefer to see. I must admit I like the 'new' Havers better and am pleased with the mutual interest developing with her new neighbor. The 'new' Havers is also exhibiting more assertiveness and self-confidence, which I believe makes her a much stronger character. ...Babi

I think you're supposed to be irretated by Havers. She's the one who was foisted on Lynley because she couldn't work with anyone else. To me, she's one of the more interesting characters.

Considering what Havers had to deal with at home, with her Mother ill with Alzheimer's and a constant danger to herself, I can well understand how she might have been difficult at work. I wonder if any of her previous co-workers knew of her difficulties? I would think it would make a difference. I agree, she is an interesting character.

..Babi

I really empathized with the original character of Barbara Havers as very true-to-life if not always likable. [who is?] The on-screen version doesn't ring true. Neither does the actor for Lynley.

I just finished the second in the Barbara Holloway series, by Kate Wilhelm. The Best Defense. Definitely my kind of mystery! And the author is still adding to this series; I discovered there is a new one out, Unbidden Truth, for me to look forward to when I've read all the others. I believe that makes 8 in this series 'though Wilhelm has written ma-ny more novels.

Jeryn I love Kate Wilhelm but I am litteraly buried in books. My daughter came down yesterday and in the last 2 weeks has given me 32 books and they all look good. That doesn't count the at least 200 I have backed up on shelves to read. I must stop somewhere. But How???she says.

So many books, so little time. I'm afraid my house will collapse under the weight of them before I get them all read <g>.

Jeryn, I am now reading "Unbidden Truth". It is very good so far. I know I have read her before, but the title/or story slips my mind. Well, what do I expect, when you read 3 to 5 books a week, something's bound to get lost in the shuffle. LOL

Joan K, shall we have a contest and see whose house collapses first? I need another book shelf. I had spoken with a contractor about building a "library room" in one of the smaller bedrooms, but finances kinda put that outta the picture. I just wanted wall to wall bookcases.

Judy-is there a life without books? Naah Just enjoy your choices. I have well over 200 waiting to be read.

Since I have more books than my bookshelves will hold, I simplified my life. My 'reserve' of books is in the library! I seldom buy a book anymore, since in most cases I won't want to read it more than once anyway. On that criteria, I could probably clear out many of those in the house now. The only ones I'm likely to read again are my old favorites. ..Babi

Anne Perry has broken out of the Victorian era, at last. She has published two books of a 3-book series dealing with World War I.

I read the first one (No Graves as Yet) last week and thought it was very good. She does write well, and this one was set in Cambridge. I could almost see all the places I enjoyed during my 3-week stay there in '79. The characters were very interesting, and the story kept me involved right up to the last page. I didn't realize then that it was a series, but the Wash Post reviewed #2 (Shoulder the Sky) yesterday. After using about 3/4 of the review to describe the story, the reviewer finally got down to critique the book. And about all he could find to say against it was that he was curious about her selection of WWI as a background, because there has been so much written by really great writers about it He then goes on to cite such authors as Fitzgerald, Hemingway, and Brooke (Rupert).

And he concludes, "As even these fragments suggest (citations from above authors, poet), if Perry's novel is a skillful popular entertainment, it is also a reminder of the limitations of such fiction in dealing with human tragedy on a scale that should make the heavens weep."

Personally, I thought it might well be a means of teaching people who might not be familiar with the background of WWI a bit about it.

Anne Perry is a favorite author of mine. Everything I've read of hers is good. I didn't know about the new series, so I'll have to check into that. I think you make a good point, JEANLOCK, that many people learn more history from the background of their fiction than from reading history itself.

Babi

BaBi, you are so right! I have learned so much about history from my novel reading, more than they ever taught us in high school. The college history classes I took were much too cursory, except for the one on the Civil War, where wwe had a terrific instructor.

I first got into the fiction/history thing in highschool. I'd read a book about something, then felt I had to find out how much of it actually happened. And I have certainly 'traveled' the world in my books. For years, during some of the worst times I experienced, I'd think, "but tonight, I can go home and go to England--via the mysteries I read at that time. It was the perfect escape, and did, I think, keep my reasonably sane. And I still prefer to escape to England. And that's why I enjoyed the new Perry book. I had been to Cambridge, and it was like going back.

Thanks, tomereader, for that review. Are all Kate Wilhelm's books as good as the Barbara Holloway series? Judy, which ones have you read?

I had a wall of books before we did our big downsize to a condo 2000 miles from "home" last year. I enriched the public library and just kept my very most favorites which I actually may read again some year plus about 3 dozen "backups" ... for When you can't get to the library soon enough! I'm trying to control the urge to add now that we are in a smaller space.

P.S. Got your package, Judy... return mail on the way!

I've just started this one by Martha Grimes. It took me about 75 pages to get really interested, but I find she annoys me just as much writing in an American mileu as in the British. But, I have 2 more that I got at the library book sale, and as I paid for them, it's a matter of principle to read them.

Only one of the two is a 'Jury' book. So, I guess she's gotten tired of that 'genre'. As a matter of fact, she does take off on 'genre' writers in Foul Matter.

We have been on the road for six weeks in our rv. Since we visited the southwest and then came back east sort of meandering.. I have gotten to visit a lot of my favorite mystery writers areas. I traced Tony Hillermans two detectives .. ( what fun and was encouraged by all sorts of Indians to delve into each site). Saw some of Rick Riordans Texas.. Went to Birmingham and saw Anne Georges "Vulcan".. Mempis for one of the writers(senior moment) who does cooking things.. A fun way for me to relate to the different areas.

Stephanie, we've always enjoyed tracing Tony Hillerman when we travel in the Four Corners area. We're taking an Elderhostel in April that focuses on the Navajo culture and Hillerman's stories.

It sounds like you had a great trip.

Stephanie: does Anne george's Vulcan look as funny as she says?

This is a web site Joan Grimes sent me when I mentioned I had seen an Indian on a mountain top in Birmingham.

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/ALBIRvulcan.html

Mary

Ah, how have the mighty fallen! Thanks for that link, Mary; it was interesting. Poor Vulcan! Painted on pants, for heaven's sake. Used to promote Coca-Cola. I suppose a torch to encourage traffic safety is somewhat better.... but not much.

Babi

Finished a book by Erica Splinder called Dead Run about Key West Florida. Very Good Book.

An old favorite "Books Into Movies" will return November First. it will be a read only until that date. Some readers have requested a link to the discussion.
Books Into Movies
Hope to see you all there on November First.

Bill H

I just stumbled on the website for “The Mystery Reader” http://www.themysteryreader.com/ which has reviews. Seems like a good resource.

Roy Marsden is Adam Dalgleish for me, too, Phyll, but I also liked Peter Ustinov as Poirrot even if he is not sufficiently egg-shaped.

I suddenly realized that I have not actually read any of the Thomas Lynley and Barbara Havers books for a long time. The only picture I have of Havers now is Sharon Small, and she has grown on me so that I really like her. Does anyone remember if, in the books, she punished her parents by putting up the shrine to her brother, or was that a movie device?

Well, Tomereader, there is always the old student standby of bricks and boards for books! Actually, we use brackets screwed into the joists and boards. Not practical for nice wood paneling, of course, but fine for wallboard. I buy very few books and have been weeding my collection but there are still plenty around.

Just finished my sixth Susan Dunlap. It is not that they are so great, but they are set in Berkeley, close to my alma mater and the streets are familiar to me. The detective, Jill Smith, is feisty if not always as wise as she could be, but that could be her diet of sugar and caffeine.

After enjoying “Bone Vault” by Linda Fairstein so much, I picked up “Dinosaurs in the Attic” by Douglas J. Preston. It is subtitled “An Excursion into The American Museum of Natural History” and is very entertainingly written. It gives the history of the museum and armchair tours of the collections and the scientists working on them.

Just picked up a book at the library by her (my first)...I'm enjoying it, slow paced. Anyone familiar with her?

Finished one by Minette Walters, 'The Breakers'. It was good, but not my favorite of hers..

On the back burner I have 'The Deepest Waters' by Wilhelm.

Perkie:

Wasn't it the parents that put up a shrine to Barbara Havers brother? I could be wrong but seems to me that that was a bone of contention for Barbara that they couldn't let go.

ELLY MAE: that's the way I remember it too.

EME: thanks for the pictures of Vulcan. Yes, he really did moon that side of Birmingham, as Anne George said. I really miss her!!

Has anyone here read any of the books in this series? I have 2 of them and they look like real fun. I do enjoy 'plays on words', and am enjoying "Foul Matter" by Martha Grimes which is a great send-up of the book publishing business. But they tell me the Fforde books are even better.

I just couldn't resist the wit of an author who puts a literary quote at the beginning of Chapter One, and cites the author as MILLON de FLOSS.

The first three books are: "The Eyre Affair", "Lost in a Good Book" and the third is "The Well of Lost Plots".

Now, to finish "Foul Matter".

Nettie--

As for Ruth Rendell, she's been around quite a while. I've always enjoyed her books. She does tend, sometimes, to be a bit darker than most, but always interesting. Which book are you reading?

I just checked on line and our library has 2 of them and I will get one tomorrow....

I read Rendell's Speaker of Mandarin.

I am a long-time mystery reader and a long-time Seniornet member on AOL. I have longed for a place to discuss whatever mystery that I am reading with others who might have read them. At the moment, I am reading older books ('97) which I found in our apartment complex library.

"Haven" by John R. Maxim is quite a spy thriller written about the Middle East before 9/11, so it is particularly interesting. The heroine is Elizabeth Stride who is attempting to escape her past as "The Black Angel" avenging Muslim women who have attempted to escape their male abusers. The setting is Hilton Head Island, an enclave for the rich. It is well written and definitely exciting, but also haunting.

Sounds interesting, POPPY. I would be curious to see how a female in a Muslim culture could be out alone, unnoticed, long enough to avenge anything! ...Babi

I have read all of Ruth Rendell’s works in the library, Nettie. Since “Speaker of Mandarin” is in the Inspector Wexford series, I agree that they are slow-paced and he is a sweetie. Her other works are increasingly psychological and dark, as Jeanlock noted. Those are the ones I really like.

Thanks for the reinforcement re the shrine to Barbara Havers’ brother, Elly Mae and JoanK. I thought it had been the parents who put it up. Maybe the director changed it to try to establish more of a rapport between Lynley and Havers. It was the first in the series.

I’m with you, Jeanlock. I love plays on words and Jasper Fforde sounds like he is right up my alley. I look forward to them.

“Murder on the Leviathan” is set in 1878 on a luxury liner’s maiden voyage to India. The French Inspector comes to almost as many conclusions of guilt as there are suspects, and each time has his carefully constructed conclusion destroyed by a former Moscow Inspector who happens to be traveling on the same ship. Mildly interesting, but I had a bit of trouble keeping the characters straight.

Thanks JeanLock and Perkie...I, too enjoy the psychological and dark, will try one of those next time.

I got a Fforde today at the library, Lost in a Good Book.

Nettie,

Remember, that is #2 in the series. And he has a web site which I'm planning to check out:

http://www.thursdaynext.com

Will let you know.

I picked up a new-to-me author at the Library on the New Books rack...Mary Daheim's The Alpine Pursuit: An Emma Lord Mystery

Emma is an owner/publisher of a weekly newspaper in the foothills of the Cascades and appears to have an interesting background that is only glimpsed in remembrances and off hand statements. It's holding my interest so far.

jane

Jeanlock, Lost in a Good Book is the only one my library has. Is this a series that is important to read in order??

Jane, I know I have read and enjoyed Mary Daheim, but can't remember what I read by her.

Thanks for the web site of Fforde. I look forward to reading one of his books.

Recently, I read one by Sheila Simonson, "Meadowlark". All of her books mention lark..Larkspur, Skylark, Mudlark, etc. The setting is on the Shoalwater Peninsula in Washington State. The book was enjoyable light reading. I will read more of her books in the future.

Jane I love Mary D. books I discovered them not long ago and they are fun and easy reading and in an area that I am very familiar with and that makes it even more fun .

I think that Thursday Next needs to be read in sequence. I have read the first and have the second in my huge stack of "to read". Ruth Rendell.. I love the dark ones the best.. Wexford is not nearly as interesting. Vulcan is hysterical, just like Anne George indicated. They have rehabbed him and you can ride the elevator half way up the spire, he stands on.. Scary.. they did not do a solid floor, but one with open spaces.. I really was sorry I went up..

Is The Eyre Affair the first in the series?

Nettie,

Yes, the Eyre Affair is the first in the series and Lost in a whatever is second. Well of Lost Plots is third. And there is a fourth which a friend is reading. As to reading them in sequence, I have to finish Martha Grimes' Foul Matter before I can begin the Eyre Affair.

MC Beaton has another new one coming out, on Agatha Raisin, apparently she's opened a detective agency and things don't go well! It's just out this month and just now orderable, it's called: The Deadly Dance. I think this is the first one she hasn't called "Agatha Raisin and...." I'm looking forward to it and if Agatha Raisin is appearing can Hamish McBeth be far behind?

What I did NOT know was that MC Beaton is a nom de plume and she also writes under the name of the regency romance author, Marion Chesney. I would love to know who she really is.

http://www.notesinthemargin.org/beaton.html

Thanks to your info here, I just ordered The Eyre Affair from Barnes and Noble. They have used books now and I often order them. The shipping expense becomes more than the cost of the book, unfortunately. I also ordered a couple of books by John R. Maxim since I just finished his Haven and found it engrossing.

Don't know where my mind has been, but in my various posts, I have totally forgotten another of my favorite authors. Ridley Pearson. He does wonderful police procedurals. If anyone decides to read him, do by all means start at the beginning of any series. His main recurring character is Det. Lou Boldt. And, he has others.

MC Beaton is extremely prolific.. Started in romance..

Wow, Nettie thank you so much! What a super article, I have read one of hers and didn't even know it under one of those pennames and you're right Stephanie, boy are you right. Fascinating article!

You all were talking about Anne Perry, did you know (I don't see where you have mentioned this particular book, sorry if so,) but she has a new Christmas Mystery (I love Christmas Mysteries) JUST out this month I think, called A Christmas Visitor and it really looks great:

A Christmas Visitor by Anne Perry

A Christmas Visitor

FROM THE PUBLISHER Renowned for her acclaimed Victorian novels as well as a stunning new series set in World War I, Anne Perry consistently dazzles us with stories rife with emotion, intrigue, and psychological depth. She recently expanded her talents with the delightfully rendered novella, A Christmas Journey, which USA Today called "one of the best books to brighten the joyous season." Now she has given readers another gift-a yuletide offering full of holiday magic . . . and murder.

The Dreghorn family is gathering for an anticipated reunion in the Lake District of England. The blissful tranquility of the snowbound estate, however, is soon shattered by what appears to be an accidental death. The victim's distraught wife, Antonia, summons her godfather, distinguished mathematician and inventor Henry Rathbone-one of the most beloved characters from Perry's bestselling William Monk series. But questions about the tragic event turn into whispers of murder, sending shock waves among members of the Dreghorn clan, who haven't seen each other in ten years.

Now Rathbone must put his analytical and creative capacities to the test as he assumes the role of an amateur investigator. But while searching for clues and mulling over potential motives, he cannot help but wonder: Will another poor soul meet the same untimely end-and be silenced like the night?

In this Christmas novella, featuring a colorful, somewhat eccentric cast of characters and an irresistible plot as twisty as a ribbon, Rathbone rescues the holiday with a grace that would impress William Monk himself.

That looks GOOD to me!

Everthing Anne Perry writes looks good to me!

Babi

This is the 2nd book in her WW I 'trilogy'? and I can hardly wait to find out what happens to the characters from No Graves as Yet. BUT, I also want to read the Jasper Fforde book "The Eyre Affair", and I'm also reading the Idiot's Guide to Sewing----want to finally begin using the nice new sewing machine my daughter gave me for my birthday back in June.

Do you suppose we could get one of the candidates to authorize a 36-hour day? That should do it.

I have become a fan of ordering used books through Barnes and Noble. I tried to order Jasper Fforde's book "The Eyre Affair" but got an email back that they were out of it. The next time I order books from them, I will check again. Only problem with used books is that often the shipping cost is great that that of the book. After I read the books, I donate them to our complex library. Two volunteer librarians shelve as many as they can, then once a year have a sale of the extras.

Fforde is so much fun.. A very offbeat writer, that I am enjoying very much. I also have a new cozy writer. "Shades of Earl Grey" by Laura Childs. Not a familiar name and when I checked the copyright.. It says "The Berkely Publishing Group" I have seen that somewhere else.. Does anyone know anything about it..

Hi, I haven't posted here for a while as I usually have time just to scan the posts. But since you have been discussing Marion Chesney, aka MC Beaton, I thought you might be interested in this info.

Marion Chesney has started a new historical mystery series. The first in the series is SNOBBERY WITH VIOLENCE. The second one, which I just finished, is HASTY DEATH. These books are set in Edwardian England. The main characters are Capt. Harry Cathcart, a veteran of the Boar War, and Lady Rose, a young lady seeking independence. This series is definitely under the category of Murder Lite. It is a bit silly, but kept me interested.

Mary

My library only has Sheila Simonson’s "Larkspur", Golden State Poppy, but I plan to try it, and can then get some of the others on interlibrary loan.

Thank you for the review for “A Christmas Visitor” by Anne Perry, Ginny. Sounds like it is definitely a holiday book to watch for.

I have just crossed Sarah Shankman off my list. I tried “I Still Miss My Man But My Aim Is Getting Better” but it is just too breezy without enough substance for me. I read the first couple of chapters and then the last one and didn’t feel I had missed a thing. Maybe my aim is getting better, also.

I am reading a Jonathan Kellerman book, "The Murder Book", an Alex Delaware story. So far, one-fourth of the way into it, it is a flashback to one of Milo's first cases which was never solved. Kellerman is such a good writer, and evokes his scenes vividly. Just as a sidelight, I notices he makes minor mistakes in the behavior or appearance of characters who are not in his social class..the sociologist in me coming out. It doesn't interfere with the story, but I am just aware of it.

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I don't remember if I mentioned it here or in FTLOB - but anyhow....I've just finished the first of A.M.Smith's new series about the Scottish lady called "The Sunday Philosophy Club" (or something like that). I finished the book but, to me, it was strictly ho-hum. It was a small book, so I figured I'd carry through to the end, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't pick up another one in this series.

Mary Z, I'm disappointed to hear that about the new McCall Smith as I so enjoyed the ones I've read in the Botswana series. Is the Scottish woman also a detective?

Jane, the Mary Daheim books are such fun, but you might want to consider reading them in order, beginning with the Alpine Advocate. Like Grafton, she titles her books in alphabetical order. I'm glad to hear about A. Pursuit. I have A. Obit, but haven't read yet and won't until I get the one that follows. A few years ago I heard her talk about her writing, especially Obit at a Seattle mystery bookstore.

Jasper Fforde sounds interesting. I'd never heard of him before, and will have to check him out. He sounds like he's be a good one to introduce to our little local mystery book club.

Re: Lynley/Havers. I like the first Elizabeth George presentation on PBS several months ago, but guess I'm in the minority about the subsequent ones because I really find them disappointing. They just don't have the zip that's in the books. I don't like to knock a kid, but the little Pakistani girl in the books is such an appealing bubbly little livewire, and what little I've seen of the TV counterpart is a dud.

pedln, Smith's character isn't really a detective, more of a curious and meddling type. I guess that's sort of a description of Agatha Raisin, too, but Isabel Dalhousie doesn't have Agatha's charm or whimsy.

What a shame that McCall Smith’s new series is so boring. It always amazes me when I love an author in one series and dislike if not hate the same author in another series.

M.C. Beaton: Love Hamish Macbeth, can’t stand Agatha Raisin. J.A. Jance: Love Joanna Brady, bored with J.P. Beaumont Sharyn McCrumb: Love Nora Bonsteel, bored with Elizabeth MacPherson Nancy Pickard: Love Eugenia Potter, bored with Jenny Cain

I agree, Pedlin, that the TV version of Hadiyyah in the Lynley/Havers series did not live up to the bouncy little girl of the books. And the huge complex where she and Havers live is nothing like the mental image I have of Havers cottage.

A cozy is “The Tale of Hill Top Farm” by Susan Wittig Albert, featuring Beatrix Potter during her sojourn in the Lake District. Some mystery but no bloodshed as befits the self-effacing shy person Beatrix Potter apparently was. A restful but never boring book. It is the first in a new series called Cottage Tales Mysteries. It is unclear whether the rest of the series will be by Albert and, if so, about Potter.

My last audio book was “All the Dead Lie Down” by Mary Willis Walker. It is placed in Austin, Texas, and gives a good description of the way homeless people live, as well as a new mystery intertwined with an old mystery in Molly Cates’ life. Good listening.

Perkie, are you talking Peter Rabbit here -- that Beatrix Potter? How intriguing. Doesn't SW Albert have another series -- where they run a store or sell peppers or something? Or am I getting her mixed up with someone else. For some reason, I think of SouthWest.

I agree about Agatha Raisin. I can't stand her. And I'll read any Eugenia Potter that comes along, but will leave Jenny Cain on the shelf. Of course Potter was created by Virginia Rich. Has Pickard written any new ones about her?

PERKIE: Albert has a series where the detective runs a spice store. She and her husband have a Victorian series under another name (Robin something-- I'm having a senior moment here. They already had Beatrix Potter as a character in one of those. Each one features an actual historical character. The best is about early auto racing, where Mr. Rolls and Mr. Royce meet.

Hmm, will have to look for the Albert books under another name. I like the herb series and the idea of real characters is appealing. I believe the Pickard has written a third series about a true crime writer in Florida.. At least I think it is her. The series is excellent and I have never liked any of her other stuff. I loved Virginia Rich, but dont like the continuation and Jennie Cain is boring. I am working on a Laurell Hamilton, not a mystery and not for the faint of heart, but she is an addiction for me.

Another agreement from me on liking Eugenia Potter but not the Cain person.

I've gotten two more Mary Daheim's but they're not Emma Lord mysteries...covers of both say "Bed-and breakfast mystery"...so we'll see... one is titled: Hocus Croakus and the other is This Old Souse

hmmm...

jane

I'm very embarrassed to ask this, but I have been wondering about it for some time. I know I should probably know, but don't. Just what is a "Cozy" and why is it called that? Sue

I have read a few of Mary Daheim's Bread and Breakfast series. I have enjoyed them. I will have to look for the other series.

Susan Albert writes the Victorian series with her husband as Robin Paige. I have enjoyed books in that series, but like her China Bayles series more. China is the one who owns the herb store and the titles are always herb related. Susan has a blog that I enjoy visiting. She lives in the same area where the China Bayles series is set. (The link will open in a new window.)

I am reading Carola Dunn's newest Daisy Dalrymple, A MOURNING WEDDING. I read last night until about 1AM. I couldn't stay awake any longer. I haven't picked up yet today because I knew nothing else would get done until I was finished.

Sue: I found a great explanation of the cozy mystery, the characters, the setting, here: http://www.writing-world.com/mystery/cozy.shtml

Here's the first part from that page...

What's a Cozy?

A cozy is a mystery which includes a bloodless crime and contains very little violence, sex, or coarse language. By the end of the story, the criminal is punished and order is restored to the community.

The character solving the crime is often an amateur sleuth who becomes involved because of personal reasons but it is also possible for the character to be a professional: police officer, medical examiner, or private detective.

Many cozies invite the reader to solve the crime first. In those instances, clues should be evident and fair. Red herrings (apparent clues which distract the reader) may be included and all the suspects might appear guilty along the way but these falsehoods should be explained by the end. The missing candlestick was taken by a child for a school project; the averted glance which suggested guilt actually represented guilt for snacking at midnight.

The novels of Agatha Christie and the mystery stories in Woman's World are examples of cozies.

I love them!!

jane

Cozy Mystery Authors

Based on a list created by Helene Androski, Reference Librarian at UW-Madison Memorial Library

A Cozy Mystery usually takes place in a benign universe, in a small town setting. They usually involve a domestic crime, one without violence or bloodshed, committed with a blunt instrument or poison. Cozies are most often solved by gifted amateur detectives, and involve solving some form of a puzzle through observation, deduction and the keen understanding of human nature. There is no graphic violence or use of strong language.

Author. Series Characters, Character’s Profession, and Character’s Hometown

Abbott, Jeff Jordan Poteet, Librarian, Mirabeau, Texas Aird, Catherine Christopher “Seedy” Sloan, Inspector, West Calleshire, England Albert, Susan Wittig China Bales, Herb Shop owner, Texas Allingham, Margery Albert Campion, Sleuth, London Atherton, Nancy Aunt Dimity, Romantic English Ghost, England

Barnard, Robert Charlie Peace, Detective, Scotland Yard, London Barnard, Robert Oddie, Inner city school teacher, London Barnard, Robert Perry Trethowan, Inspector, Scotland Yard, London Beaton, M.C. Agatha Raisin, Advertising retiree, Cotswolds, England Beaton, M.C. Hamish Macbeth, Police constable, Scotland Bishop, Claudia Sarah and Meg Quilliam, Bed & Breakfast owners, New York Blake, Nicholas Nigel Strangeways, Amateur sleuth, England Boylan, Eleanor Clara Gamadge, Widow of forgery expert, New York City Brand, Christianna Inspector Cockrill, Constable, Kent County, England Braun, Lilian Jackson Jim Qwilleran and cats Koko & Yum Yum, Ex-police reporter, Midwest Breen, Jon Jerry Brogan, Track announcer at Surfside Meadows, California Breen, Jon Rachel Hennings, Bookstore owner, Los Angeles Brett, Simon Charles Paris, Alcoholic actor, England Brett, Simon Melita Pargeter, Widow of a thief, England Brightwell, Emily Inspector Witherspoon and housekeeper Mrs. Jeffries, England Bruce, Leo Sgt. Beef, Village constable, England Bruce, Leo Carolus Deene, Master in a boy’s school, England Burley, W.J. Charles Wycliffe, CID Superintendent, West Country, England

Cannell, Dorothy Ellie & Ben Haskell, Interior decorator & writer/chef, England Carr, John Dickson (also Dickson, Carter) Dr. Gideon Fell, England Caudwell, Sarah Hilary Tamar, Professor of Medieval law, Oxford, England Chesterton, G.K. Father Brown, England Christie, Agatha Hercules Poirot, Belgian cop-turned private detective, London Christie, Agatha Miss Jane Marple, Spinster, St. Mary’s Mead, England Christie, Agatha Tuppence & Tommy Beresford, Adventurers for hire/intelligence agents, England Churchill, Jill Jane Jeffry, Suburban single mother, Chicago Cleeves, Ann George & Molly Palmer-Jones, Ex-Home official/Bird-watcher & wife, Surrey, England Clinton-Baddeley, V.C. Dr. R.V. Davie, Professor, Cambridge, England Comfort, B. Tish McWhinney, 70ish artist, Vermont Conant, Susan Holly Winter, Dog trainer, Cambridge, Massachusetts Crispin, Edmund Gervase Fen, Oxford professor of English, England Cross, Amanda Kate Fansler, English professor, New York City

Daly, Elizabeth Henry Gamadge, Author & bibliophile, New York City Davidson, Diane Mott Goldy Bear, Caterer & single mom, Aspen Meadow, Colorado Dean, S.F.X. Professor Kelly, College professor, New England Dunn, Carola Daisy Dalrymple, Aristocrat, Chelsea, England

Elkins, Aaron Chris Norgren, Art museum curator, Seattle, Washington Elkins, Aaron Gideon Oliver, Anthropology professor, Port Angeles, Washington

Ferrars, E.X. Andrew Basnett, Botany professor, England Ferrars, E.X. Supt. Ditteridge, Police superintendent, England Ferrars, E.X. Toby Dyke, Amateur sleuth, England Ferrars, E.X. Virginia & Felix Freer, Physiotherapist & businessman, England Fraser, Antonia Jemima Shore, Television interviewer, England Frazer, Margaret Sr. Frevisse, Medieval nun, Oxford, England

Gray, Gallagher Theodore S. Hubbard & Auntie Lil, elderly personnel manager and dress designer, New York Greenwood, John Inspector Mosley, Yorkshire, England Grimes, Martha Richard Jury, Investigator, Scotland Yard, England

Hammond, Gerald John Cunningham, War hero & hunting-dog trainer, Scotland Hammond, Gerald Keith Calder, Gunsmith & sport shooter, Newton Lauder, Scotland Hardwick, Mollie Doran Fairweather, Antiques dealer, Kent, England Hart, Carolyn Annie Laurance & Max Darling, Bookstore owner & investigator, South Carolina Hart, Carolyn Henrietta O’Dwyer Collins, 70ish reporter, South Carolina Hess, Joan Arly Hanks, Police chief, Maggody, Arkansas Hess, Joan Claire Malloy, Bookstore owner, Farberville, Arkansas Heyer, Georgette Superintendent Hannasyde, Police superintendent, England Holt, Hazel Sheila Malory, Literary magazine writer, Devon, England Holtzer, Susan Anneke Haagen, Computer consultant, Michigan

Innes, Michael George Appleby, Aristocratic inspector, England

Kallen, Lucille Maggie Rome & C.B. Greenfield, Reporter & editor/publisher, Connecticut Knight, Kathryn Lasky Calista Jacobs, Children’s book illustrator, Cambridge, Massachusetts

Langton, Jane Homer Kelly, Harvard professor & retired detective, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lathen, Emma John Putnam Thatcher, Wall Street financial whiz, New York City Lemarchand, Elizabeth Tom Pollard & Gregory Toye, Scotland Yard detectives, England Lockridge, Frances and Richard Inspector Merton Heimrich, State Police Bureau of Criminal Investigation, NYC Lockridge, Frances and Richard Pam & Jerry North, Book publisher & wife, New York City

McCrumb, Sharyn Elizabeth MacPherson, Forensic anthropologist, Southern U.S. McCrumb, Sharyn Dr. James Owens Mega, College professor & science-fiction author McCrumb, Sharyn Spencer Arrowood, Sheriff, Appalachia MacLeod, Charlotte Peter Shandy & Helen Marsh Shandy, Botany professor & librarian, Massachusetts MacLeod, Charlotte Sarah Kelling & Max Bittersohn, Investigators, Boston Marsh, Ngaio Roderick Alleyn, Inspector son of a baron, London Monfredo, Miriam Grace Glynis Tryon, Librarian and suffragette, Seneca Falls, NY Morice, Anne Tessa Crichton, Actress sleuth, England Murphy, Haughton Reuben Frost, Retired Wall Street attorney, New York City

Page, Katherine Hall Faith Sibley Fairchild, Minister’s wife/culinary artist, Massachusetts Paige, Robin Kathryn Ardleigh, American author, Victorian Dedham, England Peters, Elizabeth Amelia Peabody, Victorian feminist archaeologist, Kent, England Peters, Elizabeth Jacqueline Kirby, Librarian romance writer, New York Peters, Elizabeth Vicky Bliss, Art historian, Bavaria, Germany Peters, Ellis Brother Cadfael, Medieval monk & herbalist, Shrewsbury, England Peters, Ellis George, Bunty & Dominic Felse, Family of detectives, Comersford, Shropshire, England Pickard, Nancy Jenny Cain, Foundation director, Port Frederick, Massachusetts Pulver, Mary Monica Peter & Kori Price Brichter, Police detective & horse breeder, Illinois

Rich, Virginia Eugenia Potter, Widowed chef, Maine & Arizona Rowlands, Betty Melissa Craig, Mystery writer, Cotswolds, England

Sayers, Dorothy L. Lord Peter Wimsey, Pianist, bibliophile & criminologist, London Sherwood, John Celia Grant, Widowed owner of a horticultural business, England Sprinkle, Patricia Sheila Travis, Public relations executive, Atlanta Taylor, Phoebe Atwood Asey Mayo, Sailor & auto racer, Cape Cod, Massachusetts Tey, Josephine Alan Grant, Inspector, Scotland Yard, England Trocheck, Kathy Hogan Callahan Garrity, Cleaning service operator, Atlanta

Walsh, Jill Paton Imogene Quy, School nurse, Cambridge, England Watson, Colin Walter Purbright, Inspector, Flaxborough, England Wentworth, Patricia Ernest Lamb, Police inspector, London

Wentworth, Patricia Miss Maud Silver, Retired governess & spinster P.I., London

Adding on cozy. I had wondered why they are called cozy too. I assume it is because they are: cozy that is. The series has a bunch of continuing characters which come to feel like family. Their weakness is that if too many continuing characters accumulate, their concerns can drown out the mystery, as happens sometimes with Martha Grimes. But I love them too.

Thanks for Robin Paige's last name and for Albert's blog. It looks good: I bookmarked it.

Thanks, Jane, GinnyAnn, and JoanK. I'd read lots of cozies without realizing it. I think I've read all of Agatha Christie's. I've bookmarked the link you provided, Jane. GinnyAnn, I was surprised at a few on the list you gave. Sue

Right now I'm reading Hallowed Bones by Carolyn Haines. This is my first written by her. When I was down in Louisiana babysitting, my book club at the library reviewed spooky books. This one was reviewed and placed in a display at the library. The woman who reviewed it recommended it as a good read, so I checked it out. It's not spooky, IMO, but it has kept my attention for several hours this evening. Sue

I have been writing down names as you suggested them and I now have a list of eight to check on. I am so glad to learn of new authors to read. They are all women writers except for Jasper Fforde.

Show what I know I thought a cozy was something you put over a tea pot. hehe

A cozy can also be that foam thing that keeps your can of soda or beer cold.

Golden State Poppy,

I am about 3/4 of the way through The Eyre Affair. I find I am very disappointed. Somehow, it is not at all what I expected and I am finding it difficult to finish it. I'm not at all 'fanciful' of 'fey', and although I am amused at some of his antics, I find the overall genre----whatever it's supposed to be----is not to my liking. I will be interested to see what others of you think.

I'm reading Patricia Cornwell's new book, Trace. It's pretty good so far, but she's started using a form that I really dislike (or maybe she's been using it all along, and I'd forgotten). She tells the story in the present tense. Somehow, that really grates on me. Does it bother anybody else?

I thought all of Cornwell's mysteries were in the present tense, ie., occuring in the present, as opposed to relating something that happened in the past. Do you mean telling the story in the first person, Mary? As in "I knelt by the body" sort of thing? I sometimes find that awkward, too. ..Babi

Babi, I don't mean telling the story in the first person, but saying something like "we walk toward the building", or "she reaches for her coffee" rather than "we walked toward the building" or "she reached for her coffee". To me, the second example is what one would say when you were telling a story to somebody else. Oh, well, it's a minor nit-picky sort of thing.

Okay, Mary, I see what you mean. It does sound as though someone is standing there describing the scene as events occur. I agree; it is irritating. If someone is saying "she reaches for her coffee", it sounds like explaining the obvious to a dimwit. ..Babi

I continue with Jonathan Kellerman's "The Murder Book". It is a good book, but is going slowly both due to lack of time and the fact that my eyesight will no longer permit me to read for hours on end, which would be my preference. Robin is gone with a traveling musical group and Alex is lonely and introspective without her.

I liked The Eyre affair, but I like off kilter books and literary allusions.. It is decidedly odd at best. But they all are.

Ginny Ann, Thanks for that list of cozy authors. I know some and have read many of their books. There are plenty that I do not know so I will make a list of them to go with me to the library. These are my favorite types of books. I guess you could say cozies are things that make you comfy whether is is a pot of tea, a can of something cold or a lovely book.

Be all comfy-cozy! I love it, Louise! "Cozies" are harmless entertainment, mysteries without gore, usually just good clean fun and definitely have their place for casual reading.

I have just stumbled on a new, to me, list of mystery authors: http://www.iblist.com/list.php?type=author&key=.*&by=genre&genre=13

The last title I have in the Eugenia Potter series is “The Secret Ingredient Murders” which was published in 2001, Pedlin. I looked at a couple of sources but have not found any newer titles.

That’s a mind-boggling list, Ginny Ann, full of very familiar names.

I find telling the story in the present tense disconcerting, also, Mary Z. It bothered me in “The Book of Light” by Michelle Blake. I don’t remember it bothering me in her earlier Lily Connor books. The theme of the appearance of the Q Source, Q being the name used by scholars to describe a lost source of Jesus' teachings, and its subsequent return to obscurity, was interesting but rather overworked for me.

Mary Z -- yes, I know what you mean about present tense, and I dislike books written that way. Once in a while there are exceptions and once you get into the pattern and rhythm it isn't so annoying.

GinnyAnn -- what a great list of cozy writers. Some, like Christie, I had never really thought of as cozies, but I guess they are. I like 'em as long as they don't have Agatha Raisin and find that I no longer enjoy the blood and gore of those writers like Patricia Cornwell, Patterson. I sometimes wonder if my tolerance for fear or being scared is declining.

Great list. How did Louisa May Alcott get on it?

I had at one time, a book of Louisa May Alcott's mysteries. It was an anthology of collected short stories. I wouldn't classify them as cozies, though. They are more like Gothic tales. Sue

Louisa wrote to keep food on the table, so she wrote a good number of different types of things. She also wrote for magazines, so a lot of short stories as well. I like some cozies, but I have recently run into a lot of very poorly written stories that truly dont have much plot, but have these cutesie.. food people or odd sorts of stores..too much romance and not enough clear mystery for me.

I just finished Sue Grafton's R is for Ricochet. I hadn't read one of hers in a while. I enjoyed it--even stayed up a bit late in order to finish. I thought someone here mentioned not thinking it was up to her standard. Sue

What do you think? Will Grafton stop writing this series when she reaches 'Z', or start all over again at 'A'? How about a scholarly heroine, and 'Alpha', 'Beta', etc. I would suggest "Alpha Male"; "Beta Not Cry"; "Gamma Goblins"; "Delta Bad Hand".

(Don't mind me. I didn't get enough sleep last night.) ..Babi

Babi, those are TERRIBLE titles!!! I'm so proud of you for coming up with them. I DO love puns. Are you planning to write these?

No, Mary Z. I don't think I could plot out a mystery; I'm just another one of those weirdos, like you, that enjoys puns. My family just groans and threatens to disown me. ...Babi

Au contraire, Babi - in our family, prizes are awarded for the REALLY bad ones!

In that case Babi wins the gold. I don't know when I've seen worse.

I LOVE puns! You just keep right on punning, BaBi!

That's an interesting site, Perkie... it's from a bookstore in Bend, OR... or so it appears. Shall we apply for their job offer?!

I thought R is for Ricochet somewhat MORE interesting than the "P" and "Q" titles, SCSue. A return to her former form, as it were.

Well, Jeryn - you're getting almost as bad as Babi.

I just received three used books that I ordered from Barnes and Noble. All are by John R. Maxim, so I will enjoy weeks of his writing.

I have worked a bit on writing a mystery and keep thinking I will continue it. I lack the determination and motivation to keep at it, I fear. I had a couple of books published that I wrote 10 years ago, but they were about my work teaching computers to beginners and I was motivated by the publisher asking me to write them. For me, it was much simpler than writing fiction.

Connie, stick with it. Our local prosecuting attorney, Morley Swingle, spent over ten years working on an historical mystery -- The Gold of Cape Girardeau. It's been very well received.

I read some of John Maxin about 7 years ago. Did he do the one where the whole connecticut town were retired from the CIA and various other international spy syndicates??

BaBi, thank you for a hearty laugh. I love your Sue Grafton, second series, titles. I was thinking more along the line of AA is for Alcoholic Altercations, BB is for Bitter Business, CC is for Careless Carnivores, DD is for Denatured Despot, etc. Yours are better!

Morley Swingle’s historical mystery, “The Gold of Cape Girardeau” has not reached the West Coast, or at least not our library, Pedlin. Perhaps later.

Don’t forget Thomas Alva Edison, GoldenStatePoppy, who said that “Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration”. Of course, I don’t abide by it myself, but am happy to urge you on to greatness. By the way, I found the quote in http://www.worldofquotes.com/

The John Maxim book about former assassins for the US Government, who are all living in one city, is “Bannerman’s Ghost”. Most of his books seem to be about spies and assassins. I’m not big on spy stories so have not read any of them.

I listened to the audio book of “Guardians of the Horizon” by Elizabeth Peters. It doesn’t seem like one of her books if I don’t hear it in Barbara Rosenblatt’s voice. This one is backtracking to 10 years after “The Last Camel Died at Noon” and it was a little discouraging to have Ramses and Nephret back at the stage in their life when they were denying their love for each other. Also, Ramses made some really stupid blunders, which I don’t expect from him. Otherwise, Amelia was her usual coy, plotting, brave self and Emerson bellowed his way through another fun book.

Thank you, Perkie. Actually, I think your title "Bitter Business" is quite good. Perhaps GoldenStatePoppy could use it, since she is doing some actual writing. Like you, I am content to sit by the wayside and cheer on the contenders! ..Babi

The book I decided to write was set it a Senior community like the one in which I live. As I began writing it I realized that I want to address the stereotyping of Seniors. When my son-in-law said that Seniors would never murder anyone, I realized that he had bought into the stereotype. My opinion is that we are just like everyone else, except that we got older. So, I have been trying to write about some of the jealousies, the ambitions, the arrogance that could lead to murder. Basically, my victim deserved it and the book is about that as much as finding out "who done it" and I haven't finally decided that yet. I also had a style I want to follow that is somewhat like James Patterson. He has over a hundred short chapters. I wanted to start a new chapter every time the scene changed.

Anyway, I had a stroke after I wrote the first few chapters. I got back to it after a few months, but have somehow lost the momentum. Perhaps you can give me a kick start.

Connie, that sounds like SUCH fun. I do hope you get back to your writing. Have you read any of the Elderhostel mysteries by Peter Abresch? They're fun to read - here's his web site.

Peter Abresch

I finished the Patricia Cornwell book, Trace. I mentioned earlier that I didn't like the story told in the present tense. Other than that, it was okay. To me, it seemed like the ending kind of got compressed into the last couple of chapters. They just all of a sudden found out who-did-it, caught him, and it was over. Almost like "oops, I've run out of time and space, and have to get this done quickly". Not too satisfying, in my opinion.

GoldenState,

Would it help if we seniornetters contributed experiences from our own lives that you could embroider and weave into your fascinating-sounding tale? It does sound interesting, and I'd be looking forward to reading it.

BTW, I used to live at 1890 Broadway in SF; if you drive by there, give it a wave for me. Lovely old art deco building, and I had a scrumptious view across the Bay.

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Finally finished the Eyre Affair. The last couple of chapters were better than the rest. And I did enjoy the 'bookworms', but some of that stuff toward the end was pretty reminiscent of "Eats Shoots and Leaves" which I'd read earlier this year. I won't be reading the rest of the series. Just not my cuppa. However, as I was reading, I kept thinking that it would make a great video game. As for me I just couldn't keep my head straight about a continuuing Crimean War, etc.

One thing, however. Early on, there was reference to the fact that Jane Eyre never did get to marry Mr. Rochester, but went off to India with her distant relative to be a missionary. Well, it's been many many years since I actually read the book so wondered if all the movies I'd seen had altered the book to give the story a 'happy' ending. Was much relieved to find out that the movies hadn't tampered. But I DID wonder.

Am now happily reading the original. It's odd--I read that book as a young teen-ager, and the one enduring image I had was that of Jane curled up behind the curtain on the windowseat, reading. I always longed for such a window seat, but never attained one.

A new Amelia.. Oh joy.. I buy them and love them. I liked Ramses more as a child.. What a monster..Still Nefret has her charms and I adore Amelia. I found so many used books when we were gone in the motorhome.. I always visit used book stores wherever we go.. A lot of times, they have regionals that you never find otherwise.

I’m sorry to hear about your stroke, GoldenStatePoppy. It must be hard to get back into old routines after a shock to the system like that. I like the plot of your mystery. You are free to use my friend’s mother who lived in a Senior Center (in fact several Senior Centers) and who was a life-long paranoic with failing vision. Every time she was unable to find something, she was convinced that her neighbors were breaking in and taking her things. She would go out in the hall and accuse anyone who came along and when the item turned up she was sure that she had frightened the thief into returning the item. She is dead now, but she sure sticks in my mind.

I also envied Jane Eyre her curtained windowseat, but not her stepmother, Jeanlock. Fforde was playing fast and loose with her character if he sends her off to India with St. John instead of back to Mr. Rochester. I looked up 1890 Broadway on Mapquest and found the hill you were on. That is a wonderful area. I lived in North Beach, on Gerke Alley just under Quoit Tower, lo these many years ago.

I, too, like to go into book stores, new and used, and ask for local authors, Stephanie. I have found some gems that way. How do you like traveling in a motor home? I look at them with envy, but am afraid to spend so much time away from my cardiologist.

After getting discouraged at some of the poor writing I have encountered lately, it was a real pleasure to pick up Nevada Barr’s latest, “High Country”. Now there is someone who knows how to use language to create mental pictures. It is the first park she has been assigned to that is truly familiar to me. I used to camp in Yosemite Valley and backpacked in the high Sierra, in my younger and stronger days. Barr has come a long way since she wrote “Track of the Cat” in 1993. It has been a pleasure to watch her development.

Lately. I have read a few books by Dorothy Gilman. This author definitely not young. One of the books was copywritten in 2002. The author is around 10 years older than I am. I find it fascinating that her main character chose to become involved with spies.

Isn't that Emily Pollifax a hoot!! Great light fun reading.

jane

She sure is. I would never be that brave. That's why it is fun to read what she does. Our library doesn't have too many of her Gillman's books so somewhere between the one I had last week and the one I am reading this week (Mrs. Pollifax Pursued) she seems to have acquired a husband.

GSPOPPY, I hope you can continue your book about Seniors. I can't imagine where your son got the idea that older people wouldn't hurt anyone. My experience, both personal and as a nursing home surveyor, is that people who have been ill-tempered, mean, or otherwise unlikable all their lives are not suddenly going to turn into sweet old ladies and gentlemen. And I imagine any policeman could tell you a story about some old man or woman who reached a limit with their spouse, and dispatched them with deep satisfaction.

Babi

Fforde wasn't playing fast and loose with that plot. HIS plot required that the original Eyre text stopped when Jane agrees to marry her relative and go to India. But just in the nick of time, they (characters in The Eyre Affair) are able to change the text of the original manuscript so that she comes back and marries Mr. Rocester. Of course the Jane Eyre Society (or whatever it's called in the book) kicks up a fuss at changing the 'original' ending, but they are eventually placated.

I have been laughing at the tentative book on seniors. I always thought when younger that all seniors were gentle, meek and mild.. But then my mother in law grew older and stayed just as paranoid and mean.. Accused the world of stealing, pinched me if I got close, called the police to report invisible robberies and accused a dear little old man in a wheel chair of physical assault.. Phew.. no meek or mild anywhere around

I think that list of "Cozies", left off Caroline Graham, one of the most popular contemporary writers today.

I have just read Nancy Atherton "Aunt Dimity and the Devil" Great fun. A cozy with a real ghostly Aunt.. Enjoyed it and am looking up the others in the series.

I started one of those 'holiday' mysteries by Lee Harris, "The Bar Mitzvah Murder". I'm sorry to say it was one of the dullest books I ever picked up. It caused me to wonder if the author knows anything whatever about police procedure or crime investigation. Needless to say, I did not continue with it. ..Babi

Last evening I finished Jonathan Kellerman's "The Murder Book". I don't recommend it for several reasons. It is unnecessarially violent. There is much angst by the hero, Alex, self pity and introspection. There were some minor errors which I had not been aware of in his previous books..not typos, but factual or behaviorial errors. There is a great deal about LA youth drug culture described in extensive detail. Anyway, it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Now I am about to begin one of Camille Minichino's table of elements mysteries, "The Carbon Murder". Her previous books are just wonderful. She is a physicist who worked at the Lawrence Radiation Laboratory in the Bay Area and her mysteries reflect that. She also teaches a class in writing at Emeritus College in Pleasant Hill that I hope to take. Her heroine, Gloria Lamerino, is a retired physicist. The setting varies between Berkeley and Revere, Massachusetts. I can hardly wait to begin since her previous books have been delightful.

Finished the Aunt Dimity book.. Excellent cozy. For a change, went back and picked up an old Jonathon Gash.. Lovejoy is just what I need this week.. Fun to watch him be a cad to everyone.

BABI: I like the Lee Harris series. She does gush (a lot!), but if you can get by that I find them interesting. Haven't read that one, but I like the fact that she usually has to reconstruct something that happened in the past.

I was excited to find a new Jill Churchill -- Jane Jeffreys book but so far, it's not very good. She goes to a mystery writer's convention, which should be interesting, but I'm almost to p. 100 and so far there is almost no plot. Oh, well.

The books by Camille Minichino about the chemist Gloria Lamerino are very good. Also the "Inspector Guido Brunetti" series by Dona Leon (I think that is spelled correctly) which are set in Italy. They are such different books but very well written and have such likable characters.

I searched for Minichino on my library web page and got no hits in any of the county libraries. Too bad. She sounds very interesting.(they do have Donna Leon).

For you Tony Hillerman fans, his new book "Skeleton Man" is being released next Tuesday, November 23.

Thanks for the heads-up, redbud. We'll be looking for it. We're going to take an Elderhostel in April in Farmington, NM, that includes classes on the Navajo and Tony Hillerman. 8^)

Speaking of Tony Hillerman, have you seen any of his books made into movies? They have been produced and shown only on PBS, so far as I know. They are excellent and the southwest scenery is just spectacular. The lead is played by a Canadian native American.

Here is a link. http://www.pbs.org/search/search_results.html?q=Tony+Hillerman&neighborhood=none&btnG.x=9&btnG.y=8

Just finished "Wet Grave" by Barbara Hambly. Another of the excellent Benjamin January series of hers. She writes about such a wide variety of subject. Nice witch stuff in fantasy and I love this series, which is about a free person of color in New Orleans back before the civil war.

PD James "Death in Holy Orders" was made into a movie and on our local PBS station last evening. They have a new man, Martin Shaw replacing Ray Marsden as Adam Dagleish. He is much more contemplative and less active, but truer to the original character. He is great and the story is so good...layer upon layer of mystery.

Finally gettting around to Patricia Cornwell... "Blowfly" Hmm, she has decided to make worldwide conspiricies.. Benton being alive and in a conspiracy.. and of course Scarpatta.. well I expect her to start leaping large buildings and deflecting bullets. Sigh.. She was such a nice character originally. Now Lucy has been turned into a serious monster. I really do not understand why an author who once wrote excellent books has descended to this.

Does anyone read Michael McGarrity? Police procedural novels set in New Mexico, main character is Police Chief. His newest is "Slow Kill". Begin with the first in the series "Tularosa" if you can find it, as there is a lot of character development as the series progresses.

Yes, Stephanie, Cornwell certainly has detoured from her original, and excellent novels. I think it started with "Isle of Dogs" (is that the correct title?) It is a shame Lucy has become so hardened. Maybe Cornwell's publisher has a hand in her style change.

Wait till you read Trace. Lucy seems to be a real psycho. I enjoyed Cornwells first books but not the last 4. Thanks for the list of cozys GinnyAnn, hope some of them are old because our library doesn't seem to have anything newer than 10 yrs. I go in every week with my list from here and can't find one of the books on the shelf, and get this they charge for interlibrary loans. $3.00. Our 1/2 price bookstore isnt much better. Guess I was really spoiled back in Ohio. Ive been reading some older Ruth Rendell and Minette Walters now I'm definitely ready for a good Cozy. Barb

I became uneasy with what Cornwell was doing with Lucy a long while back. A Cornwell fan told me I was imagining things, but I now find I was right. Back there was when I began to be disenchanted with her books and stopped reading the Scarpetta series.

...Babi

I envy you your trip to Farmington, Mary Z. Unfortunately their best restaurant has closed. It was called The Trough, was out in Flora Vista behind a dance hall, very dimly lit, and had wonderful food. A real experience.

The only Tony Hillerman movie not made for TV that I can think of, GoldenStatePoppy, was “The Dark Wind” produced by Robert Redford in 1991 and starred Lou Diamond Phillips as Jim Chee. There was quite a controversy among the Hopi elders about the filming of it. They felt that too much of their ceremony near the end of the film was shown and that Redford broke his promise not to show more than they agreed he would show. We visited the Hopi reservation not long after the filming and could still feel a lot of tension in the air. I felt like tiptoeing away and was glad when we were back on Navajo land. I have seen it and was not as impressed as I thought I would be, but am glad I saw it. I had to track it down in a small independent video rental store that specializes in the lesser known films.

I sat up until midnight watching “Death in Holy Orders”, GoldenStatePoppy. You are right, it was excellent. I guess I will have to go back and read some of the books. I have seen Roy Marsden for so many episodes on Mystery! that he has become Dalgliesh for me.

Michael McGarrity’s Kevin Kerney series is best read in order, as you suggest, Tomereader. I love the series and will be on the lookout for “Slow Kill”.

I am impressed again at the versatility of some authors. I love J.A. Jance’s Joanna Brady series, set in Bisbee, Arizona. And I am amazed at the complex and compelling stories she creates in the Brandon Walker series set in Tucson. She weaves the people and tales of the Tohono O’odham tribe into the books, which makes them richer for me. This one, titled “Day of the Dead” but having nothing to do with the Mexican All-Hallows Eve celebration, is the third in the series. It is not absolutely necessary to read them in order, but I would recommend it as there are many references to scenes from the first two. They are “Hour of the Hunter” and “Kiss of the Bees”. I envy you your trip to Farmington, Mary Z. Unfortunately their best restaurant has closed. It was called The Trough, was out in Flora Vista behind a dance hall, very dimly lit, and had wonderful food. A real experience.

The only Tony Hillerman movie not made for TV that I can think of, GoldenStatePoppy, was “The Dark Wind” produced by Robert Redford in 1991 and starred Lou Diamond Phillips as Jim Chee. There was quite a controversy among the Hopi elders about the filming of it. They felt that too much of their ceremony near the end of the film was shown and that Redford broke his promise not to show more than they agreed he would show. We visited the Hopi reservation not long after the filming and could still feel a lot of tension in the air. I felt like tiptoeing away and was glad when we were back on Navajo land. I have seen it and was not as impressed as I thought I would be, but am glad I saw it. I had to track it down in a small independent video rental store that specializes in the lesser known films.

I sat up until midnight watching “Death in Holy Orders”, GoldenStatePoppy. You are right, it was excellent. I guess I will have to go back and read some of the books. I have seen Roy Marsden for so many episodes on Mystery! that he has become Dalgliesh for me.

Michael McGarrity’s Kevin Kerney series is best read in order, as you suggest, Tomereader. I love the series and will be on the lookout for “Slow Kill”.

I am impressed again at the versatility of some authors. I love J.A. Jance’s Joanna Brady series, set in Bisbee, Arizona. And I am amazed at the complex and compelling stories she creates in the Brandon Walker series set in Tucson. She weaves the people and tales of the Tohono O’odham tribe into the books, which makes them richer for me. This one, titled “Day of the Dead” but having nothing to do with the Mexican All-Hallows Eve celebration, is the third in the series. It is not absolutely necessary to read them in order, but I would recommend it as there are many references to scenes from the first two. They are “Hour of the Hunter” and “Kiss of the Bees”.

Perkie: I'm sure we'll go to eat where the Elderhostel people take us, but we'd love to have any other recommendations you can make. The Trough sounds like exactly the kind of place we love to find to eat - I'm so sorry it's closed now.

I've not heard of a J. A. Jance series with a character named Brandon Walker. We love the Joanna Brady series and the P. J. Beaumont series - and would certainly read others. I wonder how we have missed this one. I'll check in our library.

Is the Brandon Walker series a new one? Must be, J. P. Beaumont was first, then Joanna Cassidy. I will look for those too.

Perkie: I checked our library and have reserved Day of the Dead and Kiss of the Bees. They didn't have the other one. I'm delighted to find more books by an author I like. Many thanks for telling us.

Tony Hillerman books made into movies are Skinwalkers, Coyote Waits and A Thief of Time, produced by Robert Redford. Jim Chee is played by Adam Beach who is from the Saulteaux tribe in Manitoba Canada. Joe Leaphorn is played by Wes Studi, a Cherokee. I have found these movies to be outstanding. They are beautifully photographed. They mix Navajo spirituality and modern police investigations.

I'm almost through MC Beaton's latest The Deadly Dance, have about 5 pages to go, it's cute, I've enjoyed it, have found two grammatical errors tho, big ones, I guess the proof readers flubbed up or somebody's (more likely) spell check foofed.

I'm also half way thru PD James' The Murder Room, just out in paperback, I love those Vintage editions, they crackle, if you know what I mean, it's a bit more involved than the Beaton Agatha Raisin but it reminds me of the Sir John Sloan Museum in London so I keep reading.

I've got all kinds of Christmas Mysteries laid out, have Cyril Hare's An English Murder, have saved it all this time just for the holiday season as it's about that, No Clue at the Inn, by Kate Kingsbury which looks super, also Ane Perry's A Christmas Visitor, which also looks super, Crooks, Crimes and Christmas, a paperback of short stories, Death and the Dancing Footman by Ngaio Marsh and The Adventure of the Christmas Pudding by Christie. I've read all of Christie but at the moment don't recall this volume so will reread, like Cicero did, in my old age what I enjoyed in my youth.

I stand in awe of your list of Christmas mysteries. I had never thought of that. Currently, I am reading "Whistler's Angel" by John R. Maxim. Just finished his book "Bannerman's Law". After I read my first book by him, "Haven", I got several more from Barnes and Noble's used books. After reading them, I will give them to the library in my apartment complex.

Maxim's books deal with people who right wrongs..and never mind the legality of it. In "Whistler's Angel" he introduces a new character, Adam Whistler, who works for the government, but generally also righting wrongs. I would call him a successor to the "Saint" who was popular decades ago, although Bannerman and Whistler are darker characters. I enjoy interspacing one after a lighter Minichino book, "The Carbon Murder".

Ginny, I found errors in books all the time, esp. paperbacks. I think the proofreading is skimped quite a bit now, in the interests of economy. They want to keep down the printing costs.

I've read Perry's "The Christmas Visitor", and it is good. But then, all of Perry's are good. I've never heard of "The Adventure of the Christmas Pudding", either, and I thought I had read just about every Christie still in print.

I enjoyed the Saint very much when I was younger, Poppy. I'm not sure I would find them quite as good today. I'm not much into 'dark' characters, but I might take a look at what a successor to the Saint would be like.

Babi

I keep checking our library's on-line catalog for the MCBeaton book and the new Tony Hillerman, but they don't have them yet. I'm waiting impatiently!

Babi, I was actually shocked, one of them was the misuse of the word their, which you don't expect an author to do, so I don't know what's going on, actually. WE should write a mystery about an online book club and kill off some of our members, wouldn't that be a hoot?

Poppy, yes I love Christmas Mysteries, the more snow bound the manor house and the higher the fire in the grate, the more I love it, you might like Rest Ye Merry, the first in the Charlotte MacLeod series or the Christmas Crimes at Puzzel Manor, spelled correctly by Simon Brett, it's fabulous if you like puzzles? The author challenges the reader actually to solve these puzzles, and he's good, he's really good. But there's something about this time of the year that makes me want a Christmas mystery.

Mary, if you'd like Beaton's newest one, I can put it up on the Exchange if you'd like it?

I'll start the Cyril Hare tomorrow, can't WAIT even tho it's in the 60's here, it will be snowing at the manor house there hahahaa

Thanks, Ginny - that'd be great. How does it work?

Great, Mary, here's how the Book Exchange works? I have just asked Larry to count this as an exchange.

Essentially, people list there a book they have read and are through with that others might like. That book is put in the heading along with the title, and Larry puts a link to it so people can see what it's about: it's a sharing of books, essentially, in real time. The person requesting the book posts I'd like to have XXX and emails the person listing it, asking if he still has it and giving his mailing address. The person who has it wraps it up in brown paper or something and mails it Media Rate, and usually the largest hardback bestseller will go for $1.75, which the recipient then refunds to the sender. It's a very good thing and almost 3,500 books have been shared or exchanged in that way. Once YOU get the book, it's yours to keep.

It's like Christmas actually, a present comes to your door, you send your thanks and a note, I've gotten some of the most beautiful notes back, at any rate, it's a fine generous giving sort of thing, both sides enjoy it, you all ought to try it out!

LOTS and lots of mysteries on it always and I have tons of them going up after the holidays, as well.

At any rate, I will mail it to you the first of next week, it's brand new and looks untouched and I hope you enjoy it!

Thanks, Ginny - I've e-mailed you my address.

Thank you Mary. This morning in the Book Exchange you can see the beginning of what will be a massive unloading of mysteries, among other things. You need not worry that these are slobbered over, some of them, like the Crooks, Crimes at Christmas, are duplicates bought and unread, they are in very fine condition. As the months progress there will be more and more of them, so keep watching, you can pick up some fabulous best sellers there for a buck and change sometimes, and I personally know of several coming up after the holidays!

I realize that I have a wish list for the mysteries that I read. I prefer paperback because I often read in bed and want a lightweight book to hold. I also like to stick whatever I am reading in my purse if I heading someplace where I know I will have to wait. I like a good picture of the author plus a small bio. I like a paragraph summary. I don't like a chapter of another book in the back as a teaser nor several pages of accolades and reviews.

POPPY, you'll have a hard time finding many PB's that don't include a few pages of accolades. And the 'first chapter' teasers are becoming more and more common. You best course will probably be to simply ignore them.

Babi

I recently finished a 'Christmas' setting mystery; "Hard Christmas", by Barbara D'Amato. I learned some interesting things about the business of raising Christmas trees. (Wish I could afford a blue spruce!)

What really shocked me was how taxation drives the small farms out of business. The land is not taxed at its value as farm land, but at its potential value. The excuse is that while the land may be only worth so much while farming it, it could be worth a whole lot more if it were developed. And that is the value at which it is taxed! We lose more and more of our farm land and the essential green areas necessary for oxygen. This is taking short-sightedness to new heights of stupidity.

Babi

Tomereader, after I read your post on Michael McGarrity - Slow Kill, I started checking several used book stores and the library. I was able to find all nine of his books and am reading Tularosa now. I am really enjoying it.

Thanks so much for mentioning him. Wish I had known of him before. His style of writing reminds me alot of J A Jance's J.P. Beaumont series set in Seattle. She is another of my favorite authors. I lived in Seattle and am familar with the locale of her books. I also lived in Southern Arizona and am familar with the locale of her Joanna Brady series.

I just finished his new book "Skeleton Man". It was good, but I don't think it was as good as some of the others where Joe Leaphorn was the primary character.

redbud, comparing McGarrity to JAJance is a good recommendation to me. We really like her books. Having said that, I've just finished Day of the Dead with her new (to me) character, Brandon Walker. The first half of the book is quite cumbersome, IMO, and if I didn't like Jance so much, I probably would've stopped before I got to the second half which moves much more quickly. She spent way too much time early on, jumping back and forth in time - and it was confusing trying to figure out which "time" she was in at any given time. I did enjoy the last part, and will read others in that series.

Mary Z, I also recently read "Day of the Dead" and also struggled thru the first half, and agree it did get better. Killer Bees and Hour of the Hunter were also hard for me to get into. IMO, her JP Beaumont and Joanna Brady series are much better.

I have Killer Bees requested from the library - thanks for the heads up on that. We, too, really like the other series. We don't know Seattle that well, but we've driven all around on Joanna Brady's roads. We've done that with Tony Hillerman's roads, too.

Just starting on the Alafair Burke first book. Moving slowly, but I assume it will pick up. Hard to write when your old man is soooo famous.

The situation is the exact opposite here in Alabama. Some 20 years ago the Alabama Farmer's Association joined forces with the timber industry and got a "Lid Bill" passed. Large 1000+ acre farms are taxed less than my little old 40 acre hobby farm. The same is true for huge acreages owned by Timber companies. They can't be raised, either. Little family farmers who own less than 200 acres pay at the same rate as residential home owners. What a crock! Sue

Redbud, glad you are enjoying McGarrity. Isn't it special when you discover a new author? I just "happened" upon him, and went back to read all of them. My local libraries don't have ALL of them, but most. I think it's the earlier ones they are lacking. But, I'll track 'em down. Where do you live, Redbud?

Tomereader: I'm in Arlington, Texas. Finished Tularosa - really liked it and am now reading Mexican Hat. My daughter picked up Tularosa, read a couple of chapters and is now hooked!! McGarrity now has two new fans all from your post!!!!

You're right in that the libraries don't have the early ones. I found them at a used book store.

I've just reserved Tulorosa, Mexican Hat, and Serpent ?, ('96, '97, '98) by McGarrity. Our library had lots of titles, but thought I'd start with the earliest ones. Thanks for the recommendation.

Tuesday I went to the library and came upon an author whose books I had not read as yet. Her name is Laurien Berenson. She raises poodles and, of course so do her main characters. I am learning alot about this breed of dog. A standard poodle was originally bred in Germany, not France. That fancy looking hair cut is not for looks. It has very practical reasons. Since these dogs were originally used as retrievers the long hair would bog them down, so trimming it protects important parts of their bodies like heart and lungs, kidneys, joints. They need some warmth because the waters could be cold. The pompom on the tail marks the spot when he dives down in the water after a bird.

I like Berenson too. I like books that show me a completely strange subculture (I often say that everything I know, I know from reading detective stories -- at least until I discovered Seniornet) And the world of show dogs is one I knew nothing about. I would be interested to know if any of you who do show dogs read her, and what you think.

The other mystery series about showing dogs is by Susan Conant. But her writing is so uneven; some of her books are practically unreadable. And she writes as an insider. Berenson has her narrator learning with you -- it is much easier to follow.

I like Conant more than the other author. Conant is in the dog world and always has been. The second author is not or not much. Conant does tend to gnarl up her plots, but still I enjoy her. I have the first Aunt Dimity finally and am reading this one. It is a fun series for sure. I finished the Alafair Burke first book. Good , but told me a bit more than I wanted about trials and how attorneys think. Also finished one called The Death Maiden.. An exceedingly odd book.. Needed cutting badly.

That is one of the reasons I like mysteries. I learn so much.

Stephanie: are you in the dog world? I often wondered what someone involved in showing dogs would think of these books.

My problem with Conant is that she spends pages giving her testy opinion about an issue in the dog world that I don't know enough about to be able to evaluate. I'm not sure who she is arguing with, but it's like being a spectator when a husband and wife have a spat! It's boring and embarrassing, especially if they expect you to take sides.

I do love her love of dogs, though. I laughed and laughed when she said that it was clear in the famous Michelangelo fresco that God was handing man a dog!

LOUISE, how neat! I didn't know that about poodles; I thought it was just French fancy. I love learning bits like that.

I read my first Hamish MacBeth story, the "Highland Christmas". Light and entertaining. And I picked up the first of the Cliff Janeway 'book' stories by John Dunning. I've read so many good reports on this series I've wanted to get into them.

Babi

By chance I picked up a book in our apartment complex library. It is "Everything She Ever Wanted" by Ann Rule. It is a true story of a woman sociopath, Pat Allanson. It comes with many pictures of her and her family, both the living and the dead. It certainly points out what they say about murderers looking like anyone else.

My parents were professional dog breeders and trainers, so yes I grew up in the dog world and had a kennel of my own ...showed, bred and did some obedience, but truthfully have been out of it for many many years now. I never thought of it, but see your point. Susan is often arguing with someone else in the dog world about certain types of dogs or judges or behaviours.. I have two corgi now and have had corgi for a long long time . My parents would be horrified, the dogs are spoiled rotten and I never ever showed either of them. Had them neutered and just enjoy them.

Don't know if I had already mentioned him here, but Ridley Pearson's detective Lou Boldt series is always a winner for mystery lovers. His newest is "The Body of David Hayes". His character's locale is Seattle, WA. Good police procedural, great likeable characters, as he includes usually a personal storyline of Lou Boldt and his family. Most libraries have a good collection of his books. He also wrote "The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer My Life at Rose Red" - written as Joyce Reardon. He has other books not in the Lou Boldt Series.

My husband loves Ridley Pearson.. Me, not so much.

Many thanks to whoever mentioned Michael McGarrity. We gave him a try with the older books from the library and have gone crazy. I'm starting the 3rd one, and John's starting #4 with #5 waiting. We really like Keith Kearney and the NM setting.

I think I am the guilty party, Mary, about mentioning McGarrity. As I may have said before, I discovered him quite by accident, but have enjoyed as many as I have been able to find.

I'm glad you and John are enjoying!!

By the way, have a happy holiday season.

MaryZ: We need to thank tomereader. He got me started and I passed the info along. I'm on #8 and my daughter is on #4. We both love the series.

TOMEREADER: Thanks for the info on Ridley Pearson. He's next on my list to check out.

Well, based on Tomereader's previous recommendation, I guess I'll have to check up on Ridley Pearson.

Hey, Redbud, glad you liked McGarrity too. Tomereader is actually a "she". Lots of folks read it as "tom", but no.

Where do you get the smiley faces? I couldn't find 'em.

By the way, Ridley Pearson, if you've never read any of his, start at the beginning (you don't have to, each story stands alone) But read the ones that say "A Lou Boldt mystery". I don't have the publication dates handy, so I forget which one came first. But all are good mystery fiction.

For anyone who is interested, the new PBS program discussion is about the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and can be found here: Christmas with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir

tomereader: you make them with the punctuation marks on your computer and they turn magically into the emoticons:

Do these WITHOUT the spaces

: ) =

smile

; ) =

wink

: ( =

frown

: - / =

skeptical

There are others, but I think there'll be an explanation or a coding chart coming soon.

jane

Jane got there first with a much better answer than the one I was writing. Thanks, Jane. I'm glad they're going to be setting up a cheat-sheet.

I just finished Kate Kingsbury's No Clue at the Inn. It was very good.

I like her, but didn't know she had a new one out. Thanks.

Its not new - was a Christmas mystery.

Based on your recommendations here, I have just ordered four books from Barnes and Noble's used book store for $1.99 each. I chose one by Carolyn Haines, Michael McGarrity, Ridley Pearson, and Kate Kingsbury. After I read them, I will donate them to our library here in the apartment complex. I have to pay postage, but they are still cheaper than buying them new. So, thanks for the tips.

Question: Is the Barnes & Noble Used Book Store only on-line? I haven't seen a 'used book' section at the B&N near me. I definitely like the idea of $1.99 books!

Babi

So far as I know, the used books are only online. They seem to have a contract with small bookstores all over the country and the bookstores mail the books to me. My hope is that it helps support small bookstores as well as Barnes and Noble.

Amazon does the same thing. When I can't find a used book on one, I usually can on the other.

We have several used bookstores around here and I usually check there first. Sometimes the shipping is more than the book when buying used!!!!

How can I add a name to the "Master Mystery Writer" list? I would like to add Michael McGarrity to the list (thanks again to tomereader)

I can do that for you, redbud. Here goes Michael McGarrity into our "hall of fame!"

Am reading Rita Mae Brown's latest foxhunt book.. Full Cry.. Interesting, although not much of a mystery. Still fun to learn about foxhunting, hounds and the western part of Virginia

Right now I am reading a book titled Flesh and Blood, by Jonathan Kellerman. I am finding it quite a good read, and am enjoying the story. The book, of course, "stars" Kellerman's central character, Alex Delaware, a former child psychologist who now consults with the police. In this story, one of his former patients disappeared (now age 26) and is found murdered. It goes into her family relationships, and relationships with some college professors. It is also bringing in the murder a year previously of another girl, which may be related. I cannot say much more without spoiling the book. It is quite good, though.

I was drawn to G.A. McKevett's Savannah Reid Mystery, Cooked Goose by the title. I enjoyed the light mystery, I'd expected a recipe for Goose, but no such luck. I read a second in the series, Sugar and Spite last night. Light fun, Savannah likes to eat--can lead to late night snacking for the reader. Sue

I saw somewhere today that the Library Journal reported that the type of book most loaned is mysteries.

"Librarians 'hold' mystery suspect By Jacqueline Blais, USA TODAY Last June, the 128-year-old Library Journal joined the crowd and started its own "best" book list: the Books Most Borrowed in U.S. Libraries.

Librarians can now verify something they have long suspected: The fiction most sought-after by patrons is mysteries.

"We've done book-buying surveys over the years, and it always comes out that mysteries are the first and romance is a close second," says Francine Fialkoff, editor of Library Journal. "I do think this (list) just confirms that libraries are huge lenders of mysteries. Almost every one of the popular fiction (titles) is a mystery.

"Another thing about libraries that it is so clear when you look at this list is who the favorite writers are."

Among authors who consistently turn up: mystery writers Patricia Cornwell, Sue Grafton, Janet Evanovich, James Patterson, Carl Hiaasen, Michael Connelly; romance writers Nora Roberts, Sandra Brown, Danielle Steel; and thriller writers John Grisham, Stuart Woods, Dan Brown.

About 4,000 libraries report the number of times books are borrowed or put on hold. The list is posted at www.libraryjournal.com 20 times a year.

1. Trace by Patricia Cornwell.

2. R Is for Ricochet by Sue Grafton.

3. The Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.

4. Are You Afraid of the Dark? by Sidney Sheldon.

5. Ten Big Ones by Janet Evanovich.

From the current non-fiction list:

1. My Life by Bill Clinton (has topped the list since last summer).

2. The South Beach Diet by Arthur Agatston.

3. The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty by Kitty Kelley.

4. Eats, Shoots & Leaves by Lynne Truss.

5. America (The Book) by Jon Stewart.

Contributing: By Jacqueline Blais"