Poetry ~ 2000
jane
August 5, 2000 - 01:59 pm
A place to share and discuss your favorite poems.

"Here in this discussion we can do what my poetry group does in my home.
We can allow our feelings to be known...to share through our readings and writings what others may never know of us.
I am so excited by the prospect and I hope you are as well.
Share the poems that have moved you, be they your own or others." ......Annafair



This link to An Index of Poets in Representative Poetry On-Line -- will lead you to an invaluable treasury of poetry old and new.




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....Thomas Bailey Aldrich



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robert b. iadeluca
August 5, 2000 - 02:06 pm
Annafair:

I love Kipling's poem, "If," because it became my Mantra during a trying time in my life. It helped me to hold onto "sanity" while some others were talking and acting without thinking. I read it over and over every day.

Robby

patwest
August 5, 2000 - 06:56 pm
My brother had the poem, "If", framed, hanging on the wall above his desk, when we were kids..

So when there were 3 girls that followed him, my mother found a poem for us.. "An 'If' for Girls" ... I must go looking for it..

William Frost
August 5, 2000 - 07:24 pm
What has happened to the previous Poetry Files? I am aware that when a file gets filled a new one is opened. But we can normally access the old files. Am I missing something?

I am particularly interested in new subscribers being able to access the original contributions to the Coldridge and his Ancient Mariner files (see #860 and following).

Please restore the old files or if they are lurking somewhere tell me how I can get to them. .

Thanks

Bill

annafair
August 6, 2000 - 01:35 am
Bill it is still there but as read only....It seems a new file is offered when the old one reaches 1200 and our old one was over 1400...now I hope we fill another and another..with our favorite poems..with our thoughts and memories of how poetry enriched our lives and stimulated our thinking.

I am learning the hows of this but it your voices I wish to hear. Give us a single line or a whole poem or as Robby did just mention one that meant something to you .

anna from Virginia

William Frost
August 6, 2000 - 08:06 am
annafair,

Sorry to bother you but I cannot find the old poetry file. Please tell me how to get to it.

Thanks

Bill

jane
August 6, 2000 - 01:13 pm
Bill,

It's listed right below this one in the Books and Literature listing...and here is a link to it...



---Poetry~READ ONLY click here

š ...jane

Cliffordj3
August 6, 2000 - 04:30 pm
I have many favorite poems, and since I would much rather laugh than cry, I thought I would post a few lines from a poet who deserves far greater merrit than was ever accorded her... Ella Wheeler Wilcox

Laugh and the world laughs with you
Cry and you cry alone
For the good old earth
Must borrow its mirth
It has trouble enough of its own

E.W. Wilcox

William Frost
August 6, 2000 - 07:31 pm
Jane, annafair,

After a bit of a struggle, the previous Poetry Folio, now Read Only appears in my Books and Literature Index and I am happy.

I thank you both for your mystical help.

Bill

annafair
August 6, 2000 - 07:37 pm
So glad you now have ALL of our poems..new and old...If you would see some of my private pleadings for help in these forums you would pat yourself on the back ...I have felt so DENSE...but what is wonderful here EVERYONE wants to help ...anna from Virginia

annafair
August 6, 2000 - 07:51 pm
Yes that is a favorite of mine as well...I glanced briefly through some poetry collections searching for a humorous poem //I think it is too late so if you will indulge me I will post a small poem I wrote several years ago but each summer I am reminded of it again...

I think the heat has fried my brains

What's left humidity has destroyed

Lord just let me survive

Until fall has come again....

anna from Virginia

patwest
August 6, 2000 - 08:25 pm
Annafair: Would like to have a link in the heading to the Read Only Poetry?

William Frost
August 6, 2000 - 10:04 pm
I've lost the Read Only Old Poetry again. It seems that Pat doesn't have it too. Anyone else?

We mustn't lose access to such a treasure.

Bill

patwest
August 7, 2000 - 04:08 am
---Poetry~READ ONLY

Jerry Jennings
August 7, 2000 - 01:33 pm
Watch that poetry contest. It may be a scam. These things usually are.

Cliffordj3
August 7, 2000 - 04:05 pm
Your poem is very nice the way it is. I hope you will pardon me if I tinker with it a bit. It might get a chuckle if we arrange it as follows:

I think the heat has fried my brains
And nothing in my head remains
What was left humidity distroyed
And now of course I'm quite annoyed



So Lord just let me now survive
Cause somehow I just must contrive
A way to think without a brain
Until the fall comes round again

Annafair (with help from Cliff)

patwest
August 7, 2000 - 05:19 pm
They are both good... Cliff and Anna

annafair
August 8, 2000 - 02:20 am
Thanks for the chuckle ....You have improved it 1000 % Now it is truly a funny poem...isnt this the second time we have collaborated? You have a wry sense of humor ...and on this hot,humid night I thank you for making me laugh...if one cant sleep then laughing is the next best thing....anna from Virginia

annafair
August 8, 2000 - 02:27 am
As I read my last post I was reminded of a poem I memorized YEARS ago but my fried brain cannot think of the author .....and I dont want to turn on the light and awaken myself fully...

Sleep Sleep Orestes like I breathe this prayer

Descend on broad wing flight

The welcome,the thrice prayed for

The best, beloved night!

now I am going to try again to take that flight ...will look up the author in the am but if any reader knows PLEASE SHARE it is hard to think without a brain and fall is far away ....anna from Virginia

Malryn (Mal)
August 8, 2000 - 11:10 am
Jazzonia
Langston Hughes



Oh, silver tree!
Oh, shining rivers of the soul!



In a Harlem cabaret
Six long-headed jazzers play.
A dancing girl whose eyes are bold
Lifts high a dress of silken gold.



Were Eve's eyes
In the first garden
Just a bit too bold?
Was Cleopatra gorgeous
In a gown of gold?



Oh, silver tree!
Oh, shining rivers of the soul!



In a whirling cabaret
Six long-headed jazzers play.

Malryn (Mal)
August 12, 2000 - 04:01 pm
By Chrystos

A Soft Indentation

in my body where yours slept around me
like the gold grass hollow
deer leave in the morning meadow
or the curve of a whale rib
beached on the rocks
I carried back to admire
along the path to my door
A tenderness is yours I feel for
the mountain which centers my life
We are wary of old words used
to describe these circles
We awaken at dawn leave each other dreaming
slip into the wild edge where reason fails
your branches shelter
mine flower

betty gregory
August 12, 2000 - 09:28 pm
Mal, that's really beautiful.

Malryn (Mal)
August 13, 2000 - 06:45 am
Chrystos is a Native American Lesbian poet. Here's another poem of hers.

Woman
Chrystos



will you come with me moving
through rivers to soft lakebeds
Come gathering wild rice with sticks
Will you go with me
down the long waters smoothly shaking
life into your journey
Will you bring this gift with me
We'll ask my brother to dance on it
until the wildness sings.



for Leota

3kings
August 19, 2000 - 07:23 pm
55 years ago I attended a small country school. My best friend there was a Maori boy. Recently, I returned there for the first time, and found my old boyhood friend in ill health. He has since died, and I wonder if I might post this poem in his memory. It is writen by a Maori Poet named HONE TUWHARE.

FRIEND

Do you remember
that wild stretch of land
with the lone tree guarding the point
from the sharp tounged sea?

The fort we built out of branches
wrenched from the tree, is dead wood now.
The air that was thick with the whirr of
spears succumbs at last to the
grey gull's wheel

Allow me
to mend the shards
of broken days:
but I wanted to say
that the tree we climbed
that gave food and drink
to youthful dreams, is no more.
Pursed to the lips her fine-edged
leaves made whistle--now stamp
no silken tracery on the cracked
clay floor.

Friend,
in this drear
dreamless time I clasp
your hand if only for reassurance
that all our jewelled fantasies were
real and wore splendid rags.

Perhaps the tree
will strike fresh roots again:
give soothing shade to a hurt and
troubled world.


Malryn (Mal)
August 19, 2000 - 07:29 pm
3kings, this is a marvelous poem. Thank you so much for posting it here.

Mal

Phyll
August 20, 2000 - 07:54 am
3kings,

What a lovely poem. Sad, but the last verse holds out that eternal hope. I liked it very much. Thanks.

Phyll

3kings
August 22, 2000 - 02:37 am
MALRYN and PHYLL. I am pleased you like the above poem. I very much enjoy the poet's earlier works, but I am not so keen on his later efforts. There are a couple of others of his that I enjoy. If you like I could post them here for you-- Trevor.

Malryn (Mal)
August 22, 2000 - 06:17 am
Trevor, is the poem you posted a published work? I'd love to publish some of this poet's work in my electronic magazine Sonata magazine for the arts. Would you please let me know if you think this might be possible?

Yes, please post more of this poetry.

Mal

annafair
August 23, 2000 - 04:13 am
Ah thank you all for the poems ....I never read a poem that leaves me untouched. These are wonderful Mal thanks and Trevor you too....I am being remiss here ...but this has been the busiest summer .

So much going on ...grandchildren now old enough to visit without parents makes this Nana both weary and delighted ...a new fence invites me to re do my yard and I dream over seed and plant catalogues and see myself enjoying the fruits of my labors. THAT requires me to labor ...which I dont enjoy as much ...would that I were to find a genie to grant me some wishes.

My mind writes poetry about the coming change of seasons but I cant seem to find the time to do more than think....

Have a stack of books of poetry I wish to review and they are gathering dust. When I think of all I accomplished with ease when I was younger I ask myself ...am I doing less because I am older?

Will be back soon . PLEASE keep sharing those poems ....anna from Virginia

3kings
August 25, 2000 - 09:37 pm
During WWII I was a school boy living with my older sister on a dairy farm in an old three room ,well shack, really, helping her with the farm while her husband was overseas in the army. Though it was very old, I grew rather fond of the place.It was abandoned after the war, and left to decay. This poem by HONE TUWHARE, speaks to me of the old place’s final days.

THE OLD PLACE

No one comes
by way of the doughy track
through straggly tea tree bush
and gorse, past the hidden spring
and bitter cress.

Under the chill moon’s light
no one cares to look upon
the drunken fence-posts
and the gate white with moss.

No one except the wind
saw the old place
make her final curtsy
to the sky and earth:

and in no protesting sense
did iron and barbed wire
ease to the rust’s invasion
nor twang more tautly
to the wind’s slap and scream.

On the cream-lorry
or morning paper van
no one comes,
for no one will ever leave
the golden city on the fussy train;
and there will be no more waiting
on the hill beside the quiet tree
where the old place falters
because no one comes any more

no one.

annafair
August 26, 2000 - 05:15 am
I check in here daily and I am so glad I did today. Thank you so much for sharing that poem. I cant think of anyone except perhaps the very young who wouldnt relate to words,the feelings it conveys.It touches the heart in a very special way.

Summer is winding down ...my three oldest grandchildren are ready to start school again. 2nd grade,1st grade and kindergarten. My flower beds are slowing down ...fewer blossoms and some of the leaves on my trees are turning. Just a few now but soon all.

Years ago I wrote verses for a sort of country western song. While mine is trite the poem you wrote reminded me of one of the verses. Time passing, moving on and nothing we can do stops it..I visit a Veterans Hospital locally and see many who remind me of your poem ...for some no one visits..no one

One verse went like this

The signs were there all summer

Though I closed my eyes and shut away my fears

Like the turning leaves that cling close to thier branches

I hoped fall would stay away this year. I think sometimes we all hope fall will stay away because our winter will soon be upon us.... anna from Virginia

MaryPage
August 26, 2000 - 08:39 am
Wonderful, 3Kings! Absolutely stunning.

robert b. iadeluca
August 26, 2000 - 09:53 am
Here is the first stanza:--

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land:
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

Who can give us the second stanza without looking it up. (I admit I did).

Robby

Cliffordj3
August 26, 2000 - 10:02 am
Hopefully this poem will remind Annafair of the changing seasons and the coming of Fall.

Autumn



Softly now the cricket's voice
And cold the night wind's song
The sun sinks lower in the sky
The heat of summer, gone



Frost is now upon the vine
The harvest in full measure
Crimson-gold the trees adorned
A part of Autumn's treasure



Waterfowel are on the wing
Earth's creatures seem to know
Provisions must be marshaled
Against the winter's snow



Autumn is a time of life
Also a state of mind
A time to ponder life's design
Therefrom some solice find



In knowing that a life
To love most largely given
Will "laugh to scorn" the winter's snow
And open up the gates of heaven

Cliff Nielsen

MaryPage
August 26, 2000 - 11:38 am
 
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she 
With silent lips.  





"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost, to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

At the base of the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor

annafair
August 26, 2000 - 05:28 pm
Journalism allows it readers to witness history Fiction allows its readers to live it but Poetry allows its readers to feel it...

the original quote I revealed through a cyptogram while I was under the hair dryer this am.

Guess I just favor poetry....

Cliff thanks for the poem ...yes it does make this muggy day seem cooler because I know Autumn is near....

Ah Robby and Mary Page ...I always felt that was a NOBLE poem and since most of us are here because our ancestors came through that door it has great meaning.

In 53 I sailed on The America to Europe. It was a December day and I dont even have to close my eyes to see the New York Skyline and the Statue of Liberty bathed in golden light from the setting sun. Four years later it was still there and even now I have quick tears when I think of seeing it again. It was summer and too early to be golden but my she was a lovely sight. I thought of how my grandparents left all they held dear to come here and I thanked them in my soul for their courage.

anna in Virginia who is always affected by poetry

3kings
August 27, 2000 - 02:25 am
Could one or more of you good folk please direct me to the poem wherin I can find the following lines?

Tennyson notes, with studious eye, how Cambridge waters hurry by.

I think it comes from a very well known poem, but for the life of me, I can't place it. You know how a fragment of a poem sometimes runs through one's head, but you can't place it? Most annoying, so please someone, help!-- Trevor.

Phyll
August 27, 2000 - 10:00 am
3kings,

"Still in the dawnlit waters cool
His ghostly Lordship swims his pool,
And tries the strokes, essays the tricks,
Long learnt on Hellespont, or Styx.
Dan Chaucer hears his river still
Chatter beneath a phantom mill.
Tennyson notes, with studious eye,
How Cambridge waters hurry by . . ."


A lovely poem titled "The Old Vicarage, Grantchester" by Rupert Brooke.

The entire poem is at this web address. Just click on---- http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Cinema/1280/brooke2.html

Phyll

3kings
August 27, 2000 - 12:27 pm
PHYLL Thankyou for telling me where those lines came from! I have a volume of Brooke's works, and scanned through that in my search, but missed it. What a relief. thankyou!-- Trevor

3kings
August 28, 2000 - 06:06 pm
This poem tells perhaps of the experiences of a soldier returned from the first World War, and taking up rehabilitation land.He married the girl he returned home to, and they took up farming, battling through the 1920-1930 years. Magpies, should any wonder, are birds of the rural areas.

The poem is by Denis Glover, a New Zealand poet.

THE MAGPIES


When Tom and Elizabeth took the farm
The bracken made their bed,
And Quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
The Magpies said.

Tom’s hand was strong to the plow
Elizabeth’s lips were red,
And Quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
The magpies said.

Year in year out they worked
While the pines grew overhead,
And Quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
The magpies said.

But all the beautiful crops soon went
To the mortgage-man instead,
And Quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
The magpies said.

Elizabeth is dead now (it’s years ago);
Old Tom went light in the head;
And Quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
The magpies said.

The farm’s still there. Mortgage cororations
Couldn’t give it away.
And Quardle oodle ardle wardle doodle
The magpies say.


Jim Olson
August 30, 2000 - 02:34 pm
That was a powerful magpie poem.

Mine is haiku and much much lighter

Magpie, stylish crow,
wears formal black trimmed with white,
fancy western garb.


with happier intent

Cliffordj3
August 31, 2000 - 10:17 am
I was recently asked by a friend for some information about poetry. I really wish I could have been more helpful. I'm hoping this information about sonnets might be of some use to her.

The Sonnet

A sonnet should come from the poet's heart
Expressed in iambic pentameter
It speaks of love and passion's sweet art
By a somewhat complex parameter



The rhyming pattern must be held in line
By old custom and poetic decree
It came to mankind from old shakespear's time
ABAB CDCD EFEF AND GG



Now Petrach,however, would different be
With tricky octave and pretty sestet
His ABBAABBA and CEECDE
Expressed in rhyme is very hard to set



The meter and the beauty of the rhymes
Must be expressed in only fourteen lines



With a little poetic license the above versification qualifies as a sonnet. There should be 140 syllables in a sonnet. Each line should have ten syllables. Two lines in the verse above exceed the limit. But it was necessary to show the rhyming pattern...Hope this is helpfull for those of you who like to write sonnets. Best wishes to all...Cliff Nielsen

Jerry Jennings
August 31, 2000 - 11:52 am
Nowadays any poem with 14 lines is considered a sonnet. Don't think that is quite right, but just the way things are. Love Shakespeare's sonnets, although the soap opera gets a bit heavy and they require a lot of concentration. I have a recording of Ronald Coleman reading them that listen to occasionally.

Bad poets' verse need all the help they can get and a rigid poetic form helps readers know that the work is intended as poem and not something else (undefined). I know.

annafair
September 2, 2000 - 10:51 pm
We have been plagued here with rain and Tstorms for a week at least and if the weatherman knows what he is talking about it would seem we wont be finished with it for another week.

My computer has spent a great deal of time OFF in fact my sewing machine which is a computer has been off and my iron which needs to be on so I can press some clothes has been off and I try to stay away from water sources etc ...

I thank all for their contributions here ....anna in Virginia

Phyll
September 4, 2000 - 06:43 am
Anna,

Did you get my e-mail reply? If not, let me know and I will send it again.

Phyll

annafair
September 9, 2000 - 04:44 am
When I have time I read a newspaper from front to back..even check out the want ads,personals and lost and found. When I have more time I read a novel ...but hate to start one since if it is a good one I wont stop until it is finished. When I have just a little time I pick up one of the small books of poetry I have laying around.

You can tell which ones I read a lot since the pages are marked with thumb prints.. drops of tea, a greasy smudge where I have wiped away a bit of butter from my toast etc.

The other day I was reading Robert Frost and opened it to The Road not taken...I shall have to bring my copy upstairs and post it here. But it gives one something to think about. Some would say life is all chance but I do believe we have choices. Those choices affect us and those around us for good or bad. Sometimes we regret a choice...and sometimes we hesitate to make one. Still even that decision is a choice.

Just throwing my thoughts into the air here and hoping someone will respond. anna in Virginia who believes she made a wise choice when she stayed where she was planted....

Malryn (Mal)
September 9, 2000 - 07:05 am
This is a sonnet by a poet I publish whose work I like.

William of Occam's Unused Razor



In his gray granite abbey, the monk
didn't razor his face. No time while
issues burned, thoughts staked with
certainty, parsimony's meager meal.



Reduced to necessity only, his heart
would take no wild leap to song.
Bowed head heavy, steel visions
of God's will, fleas' incessant nibbling.



He rejected vainglorious calls
to idle thoughts, white dreams pure
as oriental silk, illumination
in his cold, moldy, hard bread life.



Lying in his straw at clear night,
he never could explain the want of you.




James E. Fowler
All rights reserved
© 2000

3kings
September 9, 2000 - 09:25 pm
Annafair. Yes please post that poem of Robert Frost's. I have often admired it, but I don't have a copy so would like you to post same, here.

Mal, thanks the poem above. I shall keep it for my BIL, a teacher with the Christian Teaching Brothers. He will be interested in it. He's over in the US. at the moment but I will keep it for him.

Do either of you two know a poem by Richard Wilbur, Pulitzer prize winner, called " The Writer.?" It's a favourite of mine, and is well worth having in a collection. I could post it if you would like me to. Trevor.

Malryn (Mal)
September 10, 2000 - 02:11 pm
Yes, please, Trevor, post the Richard Wilbur poem.

Everyone here no doubt knows what Occam's Razor is. Regardless, I'll post the definition here.

William of Occam, 1284-1347, was an English philosopher and theologian. His writings stressed the Aristotelian principle that entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity. "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate." In science when there are wo competing theories which make exactly the same predictions, the one that is simpler is the better. This is Occam's Razor.

Mal

robert b. iadeluca
September 10, 2000 - 02:15 pm
Occam;s Razor is constantly quoted in scientific circles but is constantly ignored by those with big egos who talk and talk and write and write and come up with nothing.

Robby

Malryn (Mal)
September 10, 2000 - 03:38 pm
Robby, what you said reminds me of some people I know who do not work in science!

Mal

annafair
September 11, 2000 - 02:08 am
The Road Not Taken

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other,as just as fair
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that, the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged into a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.



Robert Frost

Enjoy!

annafair
September 11, 2000 - 02:15 am
I confess to ignorance ..I have never heard of Occam's Razor...although anything that is made simpler I AM ALL FOR !

anna who cant sleep ..having step odd over my Yellow Lab who seems always in my way...the dog is fine but I have a tender tendon ....her name is Katie but she is beginning to believe it is Katie MOVE ...

3kings
September 11, 2000 - 12:02 pm
ANNAFAIR. Thanks for " The Road Not Taken". I have printed a copy. There is another poem I dimly remember with same sort of name but totally different subject. " The road through the woods" by Walter de La Mare? Strange how this folder keeps joging my memory of long ago reading.

MAL I will post that piece by Richard Wilbur soon as I lay my hands on it. I have it in one of my Maths books, would you believe? Surprising how much poetry one finds in Science and Maths books these days.-- Trevor.

3kings
September 11, 2000 - 04:40 pm
Here is the poem by Richard Wilbur that I was speaking about. In it metaphor is juxtaposed with metaphor that forces new ways of looking at clichés, so that their images become self-similar, in a fractal sense, like a computer rendering of the border of the Mandelbrot set. The structure within the poem catches me with a feeling of wonder that sometimes comes when I see dimly the meaning behind a mathematical demonstration. How ink marks on a piece of paper can do this to people, is just a wondrous mystery to me. Perhaps others who can see more clearly than I, will dismiss this as a load of tripe.

THE WRITER

In her room at the top of the house
Where light breaks, and the windows are tossed with linden,
My daughter is writing a story.

I pause in the stairwell, hearing
From her shut door a commotion of typewriter-keys
Like a chain hauled over a gunwale.

Young as she is, the stuff
Of her life is a great cargo, and some of it heavy:
I wish her a lucky passage.

But now it is she who pauses,
As if to reject my thought and it’s easy figure.
A stillness greatens, in which

The whole house seems to be thinking,
And then she is at it again with a bunched clamor
Of strokes, and again is silent.

I remember the dazed starling
Which was trapped in that very room, two years ago;
How we stole in, lifted a sash

And retreated, not to affright it;
And how for a helpless hour, through a crack of the door,
We watched the sleek, wild, dark

And iridescent creature
Batter against the brilliance, drop like a glove
To the hard floor, or the desk-top,

And wait then, humped and bloody,
For the wits to try it again; and how our spirits
Rose when, suddenly sure,

It lifted off from a chair-back,
Beating a smooth course for the right window
And clearing the sill of the world.

It is always a matter, my darling,
Of life or death, as I had forgotten. I wish
What I wished you before, but harder.

MaryPage
September 12, 2000 - 04:25 am
That is beautiful, 3Kings! Perfection!

I have a video titled "Fractals" which shows the Mandelbrot set in gorgeous colors. AWESOME!

annafair
September 12, 2000 - 12:19 pm
It is so rewarding to visit here and read all the wondeful poems you readers are sharing...and the comments about them... This morning I attended my poetry class at the local U and I am so honored to be with such a talented, warm and caring group.

This area is just an extension of that class...and I say GOD BLESS POETS and Readers of Poets and those who share through either the poets and poems others wrote or from their own ...HOORAY FOR US!!!

anna in Virginia who finds this sunny September day sweet as wine..

3kings
September 13, 2000 - 03:24 am
MARY PAGE. I have that video, too. It is amazing, how a simple math process, applied over and over to the points on a plane, and then arranging to colour the points according to what the transformation has done to them, can result in such a complex and beautiful pattern. And if one had a powerful enough computer, one could zoom ever more deeply into it. It gives one the feeling that infinity is just beyond one's grasp. As it should be of course. " A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?"-- Trevor

MaryPage
September 13, 2000 - 04:39 am
3Kings, that video puts me in absolute Awe of God! To have the Universe have such Pattern to it, when it seems such chaos.

It never fails to amaze me that huge numbers of religious peoples look at Science and think it annihilates God. I study many Sciences constantly, especially attempting to keep up with the latest discoveries, and these disciplines convince me there IS a God!

I think most poets feel the same way. They perceive the world about them, both physical and emotional, and see God over and over. One we all grew up with, a very simple poem, is an example of this: TREES, by Joyce Kilmer.

annafair
September 13, 2000 - 08:11 pm
Please tell me what video you are speaking about? Since you both seem impressed I would love to view it If I knew what is was called and where I could obtain..

Will look forward to your replies ...anna in Virginia waiting for Autumn to arrive and then stay put for a while...

MaryPage
September 14, 2000 - 04:14 am
Anna, the video is titled: "FRACTALS, The Colors of Infinity"

It was put out in 1997 by Newbridge Communications, Inc. and this is what it says on the back of the sleeve:

"The Mandelbrot set -- someone has called it the thumbprint of God -- is one of the most beautiful and remarkable discoveries in the entire history of mathematics. With Arthur C. Clarke as narrator and interviews with a number of notable mathematicians, including Benoit Mandelbrot, this program graphically illustrates how simple formulas can lead to complicated results: it explains the set, what it means, its internal consistency, and the revolutions in thought resulting from its discovery. Asked if the real universe goes on forever, Stephen Hawking defines its limit of smallness; the Mandelbrot set, on the other hand, may go on forever. (52 minutes, color)"

I bought this from a video catalog; do not remember which one. You may be able to purchase it on line. Also probably find a web site about it. There is an 800 number given, but I have no idea whether or not it is still in service: 800 257-5126

annafair
September 14, 2000 - 09:35 am
I have printed out your reply and will do some research so I can find where it is available. The information from the sleeve makes it more intriguing ...will report back when I have tracked it down and viewed it.. Thanks anna in Virginia

annafair
September 17, 2000 - 02:03 pm
In my class at the local U we have been challenged to write in 17th century mode...I chose the sonnet ..taking a poem I wrote some time ago and reworking it as a sonnet..I thought I would share it with you and hope you enjoy it....

Lilac Time

When lilacs bloom`ed and diffused the air,
Softly,faintly with fragrant perfume rare.
When early spring warmed by solar heat
Sooth`ed cold winter's leisurely retreat.
Then I would meet you beside new green hills,
Where robins nested, their song notes trilled.
We would bask upon the sun warmed fields,
I to your loving arms myself would yield.
There I would clove to you in nature's bower,
Our senses drugg`ed by the blissful flower.
My reverie, startled by a mourning dove,
My open eyes discloses a ghostly love,


Fading softly into a gentle sky.
My soul, alone and lost, without you cries...


anna alexander revised 9/7/2000 all rights reserved

3kings
September 17, 2000 - 05:24 pm
ANNAFAIR. That is superb. Take a bow, and keep us aware of your other efforts at Uni. It is such a pleasure to come across good writing and composing. It really stikes a responsive chord in me, reading such a poem on what is here a wonderful spring day. The day, and your poem, comliment each other. I had thought,that at this time of year, your thoughts would be more tinged with regretfulness that comes with the approach of autumn. Thank you.-- Trevor.

annafair
September 17, 2000 - 06:01 pm
I am so pleased you enjoyed the poem and that it arrived on a spring day..I dont know much about your country..do you have Lilacs there? I wrote the poem after I wrote a short memory of Lilac Time on an aunt and uncles farm...I always wanted to be married in Lilac time...here in Virginia they do not thrive well and the few my neighbors have tried to grow remain very small and some years do not bloom at all..

Autumn is really my favorite time of the year..the air is cool and I can leave the windows open..at night I sleep under covers and my sleep is peaceful.

AND last but not least I begin to prepare fall meals..with beans, and lentils,mixed vegetables etc ...and when it is cool enough the wood stove in my sunroom provides a welcome warmth and the teakettle sings.

So I dont see fall as a bad time at all..I am grumpy when the weather is too hot and humid or too cold and damp..THE REST of the year I am rather cheerful and positive...

Do you have some more poems to share? Have you checked in on the study of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner?

It is a lively one ....anna in Virginia who revels in the cool days and cooler nights of Autumn...

MaryPage
September 18, 2000 - 04:00 am
Anna lives in the Eastern, Atlantic Ocean section of Virginia. In the Western, mountain valley section, lilacs do splendidly! Some of my fondest memories are of lilac time in the Shenandoah Valley.

annafair
September 18, 2000 - 06:16 am
Mary I am so happy to know that about the lilacs. My oldest daughter ( although she prefers first born to oldest ) lives in Stanardsville ..She has not mentioned lilacs so I will query her and if they grow well there will buy one for her to plant. Then when they bloom I will visit and bring home a bouquet.

The home my relatives retired to years ago was originally a log cabin and the lilac bushes were as tall as the roof ..white and traditional colored...my aunt would have huge bouquets inside and if I could not visit when they bloomed they would make a trip to St Louis and bring me some...

What do grow well here are hydrangeas and I have about 12 full grown ones. I think they rival lilacs for beauty but for fragrance I dont think a lilac can be beat.

Was remembering a dance I went to when I was young. My date asked what kind of flowers I would prefer. In seed catalogues there were pictures of camellias and they were so lovely. So I said camellias..but was so disappointed to find they had no fragrance. After that I stuck with carnations.

Looking for more sharing here anna who lives in Virginia but not where the lilacs grow ////

MaryPage
September 18, 2000 - 06:22 am
Well, Anna, you have the consolation of crepe myrtle doing so well there in Tidewater country.

They do not flourish at all in the Blue Ridge!

looking forward to seeing you on Saturday! love from Marypage

annafair
September 20, 2000 - 07:35 pm
Next week I will be leaving to visit relatives in IOWA hope to see some great fall foliage on my way there and back...I will have my laptop with me and will be checking in but since my purpose in going is to VISIT and eat some great meals it most likely wont be long enough to do very much so...I hope you all will hold the fort and share your poems with each other ...whilst I am away.....

anna in Virginia .....

patwest
September 22, 2000 - 07:41 pm
Oh Anna... where in Iowa?... I would so love to meet you.

3kings
September 24, 2000 - 10:31 pm
This is another poem, which like Robert Frost’s, is on the road theme. It is by Maori poet Hone Tuwhare, and I think it is good, but unfortunately, he runs off the road, and loses his way in the final stanza. He called it

ROADS

I turn away from roads,
sign-posted hot macadams:
roads on smooth roads curving
looping under, up and yonder
going leading nowhere.

I dream of roads
but seek instead a tumble
stumble-footed course I know
will earn me sad wounds
cutting deep to bone.

I have learned to love
too much perhaps
rough tracks hard of going
poorly lit by stars.

Night long voyagings
have found no easy path
to the silent gate
that is the dawn
the truth beyond
that is the banished city.

Hearing only the night-birds
booming ancient blasphemies:
moon-dark ease reflection
in the knocking stones
the river chortling.

MaryPage
September 25, 2000 - 04:29 am
3kings, thanks for sharing that. It makes a fascinating read.

I had the privilege of meeting Annafair at The Great Virginia Tea Party held in Fredericksburg, Virginia Saturday afternoon. A lovely, lovely person, you can easily see the girl within. Sparkling blue eyes and a conspiratorial, "let's do it!" manner. You also get a sense of "She Who Must Be Obeyed", despite towering over her 5' person.

I am just so tickled to have made this delightful new friend!

Phyll
September 25, 2000 - 07:21 am
Trevor,

Nice poem but I am curious. What about the last stanza makes you feel he "ran off the road"?

Phyll

annafair
September 25, 2000 - 11:20 am
Mary you tickled me with your animated, sparkling personality...I love the Title SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED..when you are just five foot you learn early to stand up and be counted..after all I have spent most of my life facing most peoples shirt fronts and belt buckles.

To look someone in the eye requires IE we need to be seated or I need to stand on a step, chair or box..all of which I have done...when my first born was about 13 I noticed she was looking down on me ..PATRONIZING me ..I leaped up on top of the nearest chair and said NOW YOU LISTEN TO ME ..unfortunately she took some of the wind from my sail ..she laid down and the floor and rocked with laughter...

LOL see even when I am requiring to be obeyed I am being ignored...

Somewhere I have a poem I wrote about the me inside .,.when I return from my trip I will find it ...I thank Trevor for his post...I understand the poet and his last verse ...to me it tells me what he has found down those roads.....

Bless you all ....I will report from my laptop as I can over the next two weeks...love from anna the elf from Virginia

3kings
September 26, 2000 - 12:24 pm
PHYLL and ANNAFAIR. Surely you note the incongruity (?sp) of the line 'moon dark ease reflection'? It has no meaning, and does not relate to the rest of the stanza. It is like an obstruction, a landslide that has closed the road that the poet has placed us on, don't you think? -- Trevor

MaryPage
September 26, 2000 - 06:59 pm
Trevor, I think the poem is about love, not roads.

First he is saying he cannot take the easy way to love.

Second, oh no, not him. He has to take the hard way.

Third, he can't see the truth of what he is doing because of his deep emotions.

Fourth, passion does not fill his need for love.

Five is about the irony that after passion there is nothing there except Fate mocking him.

3kings
September 27, 2000 - 02:41 am
MARY. Very true. As in many poems like this, the road theme with its heavy suggestion of a journey is a metaphor for life's passage towards some emotional goal, probably love. However, that third to last line, leaves me floundering. He seems to have strung four unconnected words together, and hopes they will provide a link to another way of journeying — a river. To me, that line fails its purpose.-- Trevor.

annafair
September 29, 2000 - 09:58 pm
Here I am in Iowa after a very pleasent two days..everywhere there is the hint of Autumn...the cooler,drier air, the jade tunnels showing glimses of jeweled walls as a charcoal ribbon unfurled and led us on..the Mississippi was flowing calmly,.no indication it can roar but now it is blissful under a blue October sky..banks of flowers are making their last stand..and how brighter they seem then in summer.

Trevor I always have trouble trying to decipher what a poet means.If he added it as an after thought I feel confident it meant something to him ..what I cant say...I only know when I write and I write only for me , if anyone enjoys them I am glad. Sometimes I know I add a line ..from my subconscious and I ponder what does that mean..My mind thought it belonged ..now I have to decide if it knows what it was doing. If that doesnt make sense then I plead weariness from the 1000 mile journey. Perhaps tomorrow I will have an inspiration..Please continue to give us your choice of poems and your feeling... Good Night and sweetest dreams to everyone >>>I am glad to be able to peek in ...anna in Iowa where the emerald corn of August shines like tarnished brass ....I had forgotten how golden the fields are here after so many years in the green hills of Virginia

patwest
September 30, 2000 - 07:07 am
Fall in the Midwest is truly golden.. But the prices this year are not as 'golden' as we wish.. Harvest is in full swing and the tracors, wagons and trucks are lined up for about 3 blocks.

annafair... looking forward to an email from you or a phone call. ...jane in Manchester, IA would like to join us if we meet.

Cliffordj3
October 1, 2000 - 03:33 pm

Cliffordj3
October 1, 2000 - 03:45 pm
The trees are dressed in every hue
The sky's a somewhat paler blue
The faun's no longer spotted white
And waterfowel are taking flight



To empty nests the sweet birds sing
The young have long been on the wing
The hawthorn's bright vermillion seeds
Are treasured where the robin feed



The evning's cool and longer now
And nature seems to know somehow
To chanage the pace of life's sweet rhymn
As frost will soon be on the vine



And thus the seasons gently flow
Away in time's sweet mellow glow
Autumnal twilight somes so soon
To hush the glow of summer's bloom



So lift the cup while there's still time
Inhale the rose - drink from the vine
Feast from the cornucopian show
As too soon comes the winter's snow

Cliff Nielsen

3kings
October 1, 2000 - 09:01 pm
ANNAFAIR. You asked sometime back if Lilacs flourished here in Auckland. Well they do grow here, but I think it is not cold enough in winter for them to do their best. Further south or up on the plateau of the central inland areas they bloom better than here. However, a local poetess was a great admirer of Lilacs. In her childhood she was crippled with poliomyelitis and in one of the first poems she wrote, she mentioned Lilacs. Her name was Gloria Rawlinson. She died some years ago:

In spite of all the thrush will bring
His silver tongue to anything
That takes his fancy, whether day
Be lustreless or Lilac-gay
He'll spread himself and wave a wing,
He'll pipe a roundelay, or fling
A note or two from leafy swing--
come shade or shine,he'll have his say,
In spite of all!

And such am I, awakening
to petty griefs that fret and cling!
I listened to this roundelay
Amazed -- to think a bird can play
Upon my heart, and make me sing
In spite of all!

annafair
October 2, 2000 - 10:34 am
What a wonderful treat to find your posts. Cliff you have captured my feelings well and I thank you for cheering me on..an Oh Trevor what a lovely touching poem the author wrote ....when I am home I will print them out ..I am using my family's computer since I have to pay for an 800 number to use my laptop and I can only sign on at a lower speed so it is tedious to use...and PAT WESTERDALE AND I AND JANE FROM MANCHESTER WILL MEET THIS THURSDAY IN CLINTON IOWA ...HOW EXCITING TO THINK OF THAT ..I NEVER DREAMED WHEN I PLANNED THIS TRIP I WOULD GET SUCH A WONDERFUL BONUS!

Looking forward to checking in again ...my affection to each ...keep writing, keep reading, keep poetry in your hearts ...anna in Iowa where the leaves are glowing and the combines are sweeping across the land harvesting the field corn .....how I admire these men who love what they do and recieve so little monetary reward GOD BLESS THEM

Malryn (Mal)
October 2, 2000 - 12:04 pm
I had crippling polio in 1935. What follows is a poem by James E. Fowler, written when he learned this about me.

Eighty Eight Key Chorus Line
James E. Fowler

She would never run in fields of
tall grass on a summer's day. Salk's
triumph came too late. Legacy steel
and leather walk against winter
winds, like breath in an iron lung.



Her diminutive five foot form,
unlikely vessel for lute-like larynx.
Sweet vibrations in many tongues
from heated core, a syllabub of song.
Fingers strong and nimble for
music, pianoforte's soaring.



Eighty eight key chorus line, black
and white dancers to dreams, music
and song, her soul running wild.



James E. Fowler
All rights reserved
© 2000

MaryPage
October 2, 2000 - 02:07 pm
Oh, lovely!

annafair
October 3, 2000 - 08:28 am
Thanks for sharing the poem. The people in life I have admired most are those who have reasons to complain and dont! Hats off to you Mal and the astute author of the poem.

anna still in Iowa and finally getting to wear the winter clothes I brought with me...while my family is busy I have a big pot of bean soup with ham hocks and mild Italian sausage simmering...tonight we will have cornbread to compliment the beans and most of all good company. Thinking on each of you and sending you good wishes from Iowa

Malryn (Mal)
October 3, 2000 - 04:05 pm

In my craft or sullen art
Dylan Thomas

In my craft or sullen art
Exercised in the still night
When only the moon rages
And the lovers lie abed
With all their griefs in their arms,
I labour by singing light
Not for ambition or bread
Or the strut and trade of charms
On the ivory stages
But for the common wages
Of their most secret heart

Eileen Tyrrell
October 8, 2000 - 10:42 am

Eileen Tyrrell
October 8, 2000 - 10:46 am
My husband insits that I threw the following verse out, if I did it's because he left it lying around anyway never having seen it before he has asked if anyone knows of the following which begins.

" I too sing a song of all creation" and it goes on " A strong noon and the courage to achieve it" then ends

"A quiet gloom and no regrets to leave it."

This is a verse by the familiar poet "Anon." any help you can give would help me to get back into his good books. Thanks.

Eileen.

3kings
October 9, 2000 - 01:35 am
Another poem by HONE TUWHARE . He treats of the destruction of life following a nuclear war.

NO ORDINARY SUN

Tree let your arms fall :
raise them not sharply in supplication
to the bright enhaloed cloud.
Let your arms lack toughness and
resilience for this is no mere axe
to blunt, nor fire to smother.

Your sap shall not rise again
to the moon’s pull.
No more incline a deferential head
to the wind’s talk, or stir
to the tickle of coursing rain.

Your former shagginess shall not be
wreathed with the delightful flight
of birds nor shield
nor cool the ardour of unheeding
lovers from the monsterous sun.

Tree let your naked arms fall
nor extend vain entreaties to the radiant ball.
This is no gallant monsoon’s flash,
no dashing trade wind’s blast.
the fading green of your magic
emanations shall not make pure again
these polluted skies. . . for this
is no ordinary sun.

O tree
in the shadowless mountains
the white plains and
the drab sea floor
Your end at last is written

MaryPage
October 9, 2000 - 09:12 am
Gorgeous!

FaithP
October 9, 2000 - 01:22 pm
That poem makes me shiver. Wow is all I can think when I contemplate a poem like that. In other words it leaves me speechless. Faith

betty gregory
October 9, 2000 - 04:10 pm
My goodness. wow

3kings
October 11, 2000 - 08:53 pm
In the above poem NO ORDINARY SUN I sometimes speculate that TUWHARE might be playing with words, and the two lines reading

No more incline a deferential head
to the wind’s talk,..
And thought to say

No more incline a differential head
to the winds torque...

He had a practical man’s familiarity with machines as the following poem indicates. In it he talks of his experiences as a worker on a hydro-electric scheme.

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THE SEA,TO THE MOUNTAINS,TO THE RIVER.

Far off
the sea beckons
to the mountains.

Austerly
the mountains ponder
the cacaphonic river tossing
white splintered mane to the
mist’s swirl.

Here
alien sounds are struck.
Nowhere is there greater fuss
to tear out the river’s tongue.

Blue hiss and crackle
of the welding rod,
compressed sigh of air
and the whump and whoof
fuse to the rising clamour
of the rivet gun

Cursing
scuffing the earth with massive
boots,men are walking away :
and from a smoke wreathed shoulder
of a crouching hill a gigantic fist
of sound unfolds--shattering the clouds.

Coaxed into staccato life
a tractor nonchalantly puffs
perfect smoke rings into the startled air.

Exulting men
as skilled as spiders thread
a skyline of steel crucifixes.

The sea beckons
again and again
to the mountains. Unmoved
the austere mountains ponder
a silence as profound as stars

CharlieW
October 12, 2000 - 05:59 am
On a journey, ill
My dream goes wandering
over withered fields

Thought to be the last Haiku of Basho, who died on this date in 1694.


Charlie

kiwi lady
October 14, 2000 - 11:16 pm
When I was a child I loved his poetry and had to learn some of it for my Royal College of Music speech examinations!

Carolyn

Ginny
October 16, 2000 - 10:18 am
I've brought here something which has just astounded me.

Yesterday on a trip out of town, I took occasion to listen to Paul Simon on one of his CDs? I'm on a Paul Simon kick, sorry to say. And the words of this song just jumped out at me, their meaning, their application, I could not rest till I found the lyrics this morning:



"Many's the time I've been mistaken
And many times confused,
Yes and I've always felt forsaken
and certainly misused.
But I'm all right, I'm all right,
I'm just weary to my bones.
Still you don't expect to be bright and bon vivant
So far away from home,
So far away from home.



I don't know a soul who's not been battered,
I don't have a friend who feels at ease.
I don't know a dream that's not been shattered,
Or driven to its knees.
But it's all right, it's all right,
For we've lived so well so long.
Still, when I think of the road we're travelin' on,
I wonder what's gone wrong.
I can't help it, I wonder what's gone wrong.

---Paul Simon



OK why did I put this here? Because the words of the poem spoke to me and it IS a poem, but in looking up the words which any person can do, I find to my shock that the poem itself, the song was written for another occasion entirely and that Paul Simon wrote it in response to another event and I KNOW from the bottom of my heart that NO person unless they look it up could possibly guess what that occasion was.

Therefore we need to ask ourselves this question?

Which is the most important thing about a poem? What we get out of it? What we understand the poet/ artist to be saying? Or what the poet actually MEANT to say, how he felt when he wrote it, why he wrote it and what he means by it?

I am just rediscovering Paul Simon and he's blowing me away.

ginny

CharlieW
October 16, 2000 - 11:15 am
Ginny - "Which is the most important thing about a poem?". Oh, what we get out of it through our understanding. What the poet actually MEANT to say is almost incidental and truly unimportant. All of these things: how he felt when he wrote it, why he wrote it, etc., will assuredly add to our understanding of OUR interpretation of the poem, and perhaps enrich our experience of it. But the essence of the sparseness of poetry is to allow the reader to add his own consciousness to it. The difference between poetry and prose, I think.




Charlie (still crazy after all these years)

Ginny
October 16, 2000 - 12:06 pm
Me, too, Chollie, me too. I've taken the liberty of copying your post over to the Mariner where I first posted this poem this morning, it's too good not to share!

I agree.

ginny

Jim Olson
October 20, 2000 - 06:21 pm
It's been a long time since I read any John Donne, but it seems to me he has contributed some notable phrases to our literay heritage.

I was doing some research on the song phrase "Catch a Falling Star" never realizing the source of the phrase was from Donne.

I know Donne was the master of metaphor - but I just can't figure this song out. Can anyone help me?

What is Donne up to?

Is it really a poem about "Nowhere lives a woman true and fair" or is he using a metaphor here?

Seems to me it's too good a poem to waste on the fickleness of women.

 
Song (Go and catch a falling star) 
John Donne  

Go and catch a falling star, Get with child a mandrake root, Tell me where all past years are, Or who cleft the devil's foot, Teach me to hear mermaids singing, Or to keep off envy's stinging, And find What wind Serves to advance an honest mind.

If thou be'st born to strange sights, Things invisible to see, Ride ten thousand days and nights Till age snow white hairs on thee; Thou, when thou return'st, wilt tell me All strange wonders that befell thee,   And swear Nowhere Lives a woman true, and fair.

If thou find'st one, let me know; Such a pilgrimage were sweet. Yet do not; I would not go   Though at next door we might meet. Though at next door we might meet.    And last till you write your letter.    Yet she Will be False, ere I come, to two or three.

betty gregory
October 20, 2000 - 06:51 pm
Jim Olson---maybe not fickle, but deceptive. I have a wonderful book (somewhere) with historical references about women written by essayists, philosophers, men of the church, men of science. Women were often perceived as deceitful, deceptive, tricky, devious, cunning, manipulative----all a part of the underlying current of "seductive." Not very "true and fair."

But I'm not sure that helps with the poem. Has he just been jilted or deceived? My tenth reading isn't any clearer than the, uh, fifth.

Jim Olson
October 21, 2000 - 06:32 am




Betty,

I think that common thread of the "mystery" or deceptive quality womankind may be what Donne was using to illustrate the mystery and deceptiveness of life in general.

Authors are always using women to illustrate some idealized romantic concepts- Dante's Beatrice, for example.

And then they are disillusioned when they discover real women.

Just as we are all disillusioned at times when we have set up high idealized concepts of ourselves- only to discover how real we are on omne occasion or another.

Maybe women are not so often disillusioned about men as they haven't set up that artificial expectation- or have they?

MaryPage
October 21, 2000 - 10:52 am
Speaking for myself, we have not, Jim. (weird sentence)

I think the poem IS about the fickleness of women, and is written to describe a lot of impossible things, including the loyalty of women.

I would suppose, though, that you could take a child with you and find a mandrake root. Aren't they the ones that look like babies and make a terrible sound when being pulled up? Maybe he meant this to come out differently than I read it.

Or is he saying that the mandrake root looks like a human female body and you could just as soon get it pregnant as find a faithful woman?

Jim Olson
October 22, 2000 - 05:20 am
I would suppose, though, that you could take a child with you and find a mandrake root. Aren't they the ones that look like babies and make a terrible sound when being pulled up? Maybe he meant this to come out differently than I read it.

Or is he saying that the mandrake root looks like a human female body and you could just as soon get it pregnant as find a faithful woman?


The neat thing about poetry is the way an image or methapor can work several ways at once.

I suspect this is a case in point.

annafair
October 23, 2000 - 01:01 am
I have missed being here but you know sometimes life just keeps you so busy you dont have time to be reflective. Returning from my visit to Iowa was exceptional in many ways. A sadness to leave behind dear people and anticipation of being home. Driving through autumn was beautiful. The trees glowed with color even when it was almost dark. The firs and pines would be dark and shadowy but the trees in their autumn gowns would catch the afterglow from the sun now beyond the horizon and light my path to home.

Home was a return to the mundane, laundry to do, a trip to replenish the pantry and fridge, a dental appointment to repair a tooth that broke off while I was away,mail and papers to retrieve, bills to pay,a week of baking cakes and goodies for my first born and her husband's twenty-five anniversary.

The anniversary was in thier home town three hours away this past Saturday. They renewed their vows and about 75 guests devoured all the home made goodies. All of my children and their families were there and that made it special as well. Even one of the bridesmaids from twenty five years ago was able to join us for the festivities. However we had to leave afterwards and return home as my youngest grandchild was dedicated at church Sunday.

I guess I can say life has returned to normal. I am home again and doing all the things I left behind when I went away. Not as much fun as being on a vacation but still enjoyable in its own way. My flowers are flourishing in this warm and pleasent weather and each day I have to gather the leaves that rain down on my lawn.

My comment about the Donne poem. Ever since Eve women have been misunderstood so it is not surprising the poet used women in his poem.Life itself is misunderstood and I guess it is fair to blame it on women. If a woman had written the poem I would guess she would have blamed it on men as it is a perception that men dont understand women. I like the poem,it has a haunting quality. As Jim says it is applicable as both about women( although I would also say about people) and life itself. Which is what makes poetry so special.

Now I am going to go back to bed and relive a pretty special weekend, and thank God for my pretty special family.

anna back in Virginia

JimVA
October 27, 2000 - 03:26 pm
I got to know her only recently, in a black-history-month discussion in another online seniors-forum last February.

She mostly wrote autobio's (5 or more). But she later also wrote poems re-stating some of those recollections. For one example, her first autobio "I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings" was summed up in her (much later) "Caged Bird" poem. Its verses alternate the thoughts of a caged bird and those of a free one--each verse separated by this poignant caged-bird voiced refrain:

The caged bird sings
with a fearful trill
of things unknown
but longed for still
And his tune is heard
on the distant hill
for the caged bird
sings of freedom.
Isn't that just...lovely? Maya's poetry also addresses other raw-life perspectives. Here's her thoughts on just two such raw-life forces: "love" and "isolation":

"A Conceit"

Give me your hand.

Make room for me
to lead and follow
you
beyond this range of poetry.

Let others have
the privacy of
touching words
and love of loss
of love.

For me
Give me your hand.

"Chicken-Licken"

She was afraid of men,
sin and the humors
of the night.
When she saw a bed
locks clicked
in her brain.

She screwed a frown
around and plugged
it in the keyhole.
Put a chain across
her door and closed
her mind.

Her bones were found
round thirty years later
when they razed
her building to
put up a parking lot.

autopsy read:
dead of acute peoplelessness.

Ginny
October 27, 2000 - 04:46 pm
Those are fabulous, Jim! I LOVE Maya Angelou, she's beyond great, than you so much for those I have NEVER seen them. She's just good, that's all there is to it!

ginny

MaryPage
October 27, 2000 - 05:02 pm
I own all of her books, JimVA. What a heart she has.

JimVA
October 28, 2000 - 02:38 pm
Thanks to other Maya fans for chiming-in here! I admire Maya's thoughts and imageries. Maya was poor-born, but somehow, early-on, learned how to best turn a poetic phrase. I admire her consistent, original, vivid word-pictures--such as these I cited earlier here: "locks picked"; and "fearful trill."

Maya wrote many such "Caged Bird" themes. But other poignant stuff too. Her 1993 poem "On The Pulse of Morning," written for President Clinton's Inaugural, escaped my appreciation when she read it (live) there then. In it a Rock, a River, and a Tree represent Eternity...we mere mortals only passing by. A heavy thought indeed, IMHO.

Also, I'd like to here applaud her longish "Our Grandmothers" poem. Its "I shall not be moved" refrain has, since she wrote it, become an anthem for many other minority-causes.

annafair
November 5, 2000 - 05:26 am
Maya Angelou ...not only do I wish I could write like this multi talented lady but my to speak like her. She mesmerizes me when she speaks.

Jim I looked you up and had to see your home page when I found your real name was Jim Fleming. A Jim Fleming in Nashville Tn was a member of our church and thier son also Jim moved to the east coast and I wondered if you were he........nope but glad to make your acquaintence ...I have been neglectful and just plain weary ...too much going on in my personal life but I will try to be more faithful.

Let's hear of some other favorite poets and poems and originals are always welcome! I would like a road less traveled for awhile

anna in Virginia

JimVA
November 8, 2000 - 05:54 pm
In her 1,775 poems, she tried to distill life's major concerns into succinct, vivid word-pictures. She titled only 24 of her poems, dated none, and had only 7 published in her lifetime. In all these, she used the weird punctuations and capitalizations typical of a mid-1800s semi-recluse.

Modern printings often assign her poems a title based on its 1st line and insert modern punctuations for readibility. But most often, they choose to retain Emily's line-ending dashes (and her capitalized-noun choices).

Her poems use vivid Imagery to address such universal concerns, then and now, as: Death, Faith, Hope, Despair, Truth, Love.

Many modern printings assign poem-titles based on Emily's first-line. And they often insert today's puncuations--for current readibility. They also usually choose to retain Emily's original line-ending dashes and capitalized-noun choices.

Here's 8 Emily-poems I especially like:

Imagery. Here's a good example. This one is today often titled "The Hummingbird." For me, nearly every noun in it evokes a vivid mental image:

A route of evanescence
With a revolving Wheel--
A Resonance of Emerald--
A Rush of Cochineal--
And every Blossom on the Bush
Adjusts its tumbled Head--
The mail from Tunis, probably,
An easy Morning's Ride.
Exact meaning of those last 2 lines still puzzles most of us today. But Emily's hummingbird imagery is...obvious (and wondrous words to most of us, then and now).

Death. Emily presented this from truly unique perspectives. Here's two:

I heard a Fly buzz--when I died--
The Stillness in the Room
Was like the Stillness in the Air--
Between the Heaves of Storm--

(2 intermediate verses)

With Blue--uncertain stumbling Buzz--
Between the light--and me--
And then the Windows failed--and then
I could not see to see--

And here's start of another Emily "Death-theme" poem:
Because I could not stop for Death--
He kindly stopped for me--
The Carriage held but just Ourselves--
And Immortality.
(5 more verses)
Faith (i.e., in the Hereafter):
I never saw a Moor--
I never saw the Sea--
Yet know I how the heather looks
And what a Billow be.

I never spoke with God
Nor visited in Heaven--
Yet certain am I of the spot
As if the Checks were given--

Hope:
Hope is the thing with feathers--
That perches in the soul--
And sings the time without the words--
And never stops--at all--
(two more verses)
Despair (i.e., after an unrequited love affair):
I cannot live with you--
It would be life--
But Life is over there--
Behind the shelf.

(several intermediate verses)

So We must meet apart--
You there--I--here--
With just the door ajar
That oceans are--and Prayer--
And that White sustenance--
Despair--

Truth (and its prudent usage):
Tell all the Truth but tell it slant--
Success in Circuit lies
Too bright for our infirm Delight
The Truth's superb surprise
As Lightning to the Children eased
With explanation kind
The Truth must dazzle gradually
Or every man be blind--
Love. Emily, a semi-recluse, did suffer natural love pangs; i.e., this steamy poem:
Wild Nights--Wild Nights!
Were I with thee
Wild Nights should be
Our luxury!

Futile--the winds--
To a Heart in port--
Done with the Compass--
Done with the Chart!

Rowing in Eden--
Ah, the Sea!
Might I but moor--Tonight--
In Thee!

Whew! Heady, steamy stuff, Emily! Tonight I belatedly join others of us today who, like me, are recently discovering and enthusing to your still-relevant, wondrous (IMHO) 19th-century poems.

JimVA
November 9, 2000 - 12:47 pm
Both Memorial Day and Veteran's Day are solemn holidays for many of us oldtimers. There's hardly a family clan in USA that doesn't have war-related losses (of life, limb, or mental stability). I observe both holidays equally, either by visiting my folks at a cemetery or by attending a local ceremony honoring our Veterans--living and dead.

Oddly, there's precious few books about Veteran's Day out there today. The holiday began as "Armistice Day," celebrating end of The Great War (WW I). So, one might do well to observe this Day by reading a book about WW I. Two new non-fiction WW I accounts came out just this year. Titles escape me, but both are bestsellers prominently displayed in DC-area bookstores. Or one might instead observe 11/11 holiday by reading about any USA-involved war since WW I.

A recent Veteran's Day custom I like, is for us all to pause at least one moment during our daily activities--ideally, at precisely 11am on 11th month, 11th day--to observe a moment's silent tribute and thanks to those who, before us, gave their all so that we today now live in the strongest, safest country on God's earth.

Also, at 11am Saturday I intend to quietly recite John McCrae's poigant poem, In Flanders Fields. Flanders was site of a bloody WW I battle in France. In 1930s-40s, gradeschoolers across the USA would recite this poem as part of their Memorial Day programs (followed, when possible, by a lone young bugler playing Taps). Surely such sounds waft high, reaching even Heavenly ears.

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe;
To you from falling hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

MaryPage
November 9, 2000 - 03:16 pm
I've always loved that poem, JimVA.

Also: I Have A Rendezvous With Death by Alan Seeger

ALF
November 9, 2000 - 06:12 pm
Have you read Ward Kellys writings on Emily dickenson? He wrote for Sonata and if you enjoy ED's poetry you would love his view.

annafair
November 10, 2000 - 02:50 am
Emily has always touched me...many thanks for posting those selection..when younger I would thrill to her writing ( I still do) and some I can quote as I memorized them. Her poems seemed to reach inside and touch my soul.

In Flanders Field I also memorized. I had a uncle Tommy who was gassed in WWI and lived his life in the Jefferson Barracks Veterans Hospital in St Louis. His mother, my Little Grandma, lived with us a number of years. Each Memorial and Armistice Day we displayed the flag from his funeral. It was huge, made of wool and had moth holes. Even as a child I knew the importance of that flag and felt a great deal of pride in displaying it.

The other poem I love beside the ones mentioned is High Flight. When I first saw it in a newspaper I cut it out and kept a copy in my jewel box for years. Eventually it became yellowed and fragile and I reluctantly threw it away. Since my husband was a pilot it was read at his funeral. We had a plaque of wood with a bronze facing with the poem enscribed. I gave it to my youngest son after my husband's death as he loved the poem as well.

High Flight
 

Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
 
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; 
 
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth 
 
Of sun-split clouds-and done a hundred things 
 
You have not dreamed of-wheeled and soared and swung 
 
Hing in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, 
 
I've chased the shouting wind about, and flung 
 
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
 
Up,Up the long,delirious,burning blue
 
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace 
 
Where never lark or even eagle flew.
 
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
 
The high untrespassed sanctity of space, 
 
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. 
 

John Gillespie Magee,Jr

Hope I remembered it well..

anna in Virginia

JimVA
November 12, 2000 - 01:08 pm
Sad to say, I can't find anything by Kelly or Seeger at my public library. More info about either of these...would be much appreciated (by me and by others here).

Annafair's recollection of that poignant poem "High Flight" is...right on! Here's a website with "High Flight" (and info about its poet): Click here.

MaryPage
November 12, 2000 - 01:17 pm
Alan Seeger never wrote a book. He wrote one poem, in WWI, which was found in the pocket of his shirt when his dead body was found on the battlefield. It was one poem that EVERYONE all over the Allied, English-speaking world memorized at that time.

 

"I have a rendezvous with Death At some disputed barricade, When Spring comes back with rustling shade And apple-blossoms fill the air ___ I have a rendezvous with Death When Spring brings back blue days and fair.

It may be he shall take my hand And lead me into his dark land And close my eyes and quench my breath ____ It may be I shall pass him still. I have a rendezvous with Death On some scarred slope of battered hill, When Spring come round again this year And the first meadow-flowers appear.

God knows 'twere better to be deep Pillowed in silk and scented down, Where Love throbs out in blissful sleep, Pulse nigh to pulse, and breath to breath, Where hushed awakenings are dear . . . But I've a rendezvous with Death At midnight in some flaming town, When Spring trips north again this year, And I to my pledged word am true, I shall not fail that rendezvous."



He was right. He kept that rendezvous. This is his only legacy to the world.

JimVA
November 12, 2000 - 01:31 pm
Thanks for that additional info, Marypage. I'm duly impressed. Where can one read more info (than yours) about your fave poet--Alan Seeger?

MaryPage
November 12, 2000 - 04:59 pm
Well, you can look him up on GOOGLE search (my favorite search engine). You instantly get heaps of sites. I just tried it, and was astonished. Also learned he died on July 4, 1916, a bit past Springtime. He was an American and attended Harvard. A book of his poems was published in 1917, a year after his death, due to the fame of this one poem, but it was not successful. It seems his poetry was too idealistic. He was 22 years old when he was killed.

JimVA
November 13, 2000 - 12:17 pm
Sure 'nough! That 'Google' did the trick, listing several Alan Seeger websites...most of them including his poignant A Rendezvous With Death poem.

So I then used Google for a Ward Kelley search...again with good hits. This discussion about WW I poets began here with John McCrae's In Flanders Fields. And those 3 poets reminded me of another, Wilfred Owen (1883-1918), killed just one week before Armistice. English classical music composer Benjamin Britten set parts of several Owen poems to music in his choral masterpiece, "War Requiem."

For others reading this and interested, here's 4 links to more info about:

Six WW I lost poets (McCrae, Seeger, Owen, etc).
Ward Kelley.
Kelley's thoughts about Emily Dickinson.
Additional info on Wilfred Owen.

Except for contemporary Kelley, the above poets are some of those lost in WW I. This has become a new door of interest for me...thanks to you here who have added comments or info to our group's discussion.

MaryPage
November 13, 2000 - 12:46 pm
I do not remember whether I posted this information here in Poetry, or in the VIRGINIA site, which is my happy home here in SeniorNet. In any event, I will post it again.

When I was a child I spent a lot of time living with my grandmother in Virginia. She had an old Edison record player and a piano. The piano music and the old red clay records both contained a lot of really syrupy sweet, emotional songs. Especially about death. I recall one very pretty, but sad dirge about "The Letter Edged in Black". "Come home, My Boy, your poor old father needs you! Come home, My Boy, your poor old mother's dead!" I still remember those words from back in the forties! Have not heard them since 1946! They were quite, quite old then!

And at Sunday School we had paper fans, straight, not folding, in all the pew racks where the hymnals and prayer books were. No air conditioning in those days! These fans were given the church by local merchants, who advertized on them. This was before the Yellow Pages were dreamed up! They figured, quite rightly, folks would read every word while the pastor droned on. These fans had long, emotional poems on them. One grocer printed out a truly epic poem, which I almost memorized, about the pitfalls of going to a "chain store". It seems credit was given out by the sole proprietor to clients, but, when times were bad, you could never count on the chain-stores to see you through!

What I am getting at is that poems were emotional and flowery in those days, and this was popular. It has long since gone out of popularity, and thus a younger generation is not privy to the mood of past generations.

I was loaned, by a second cousin, my paternal great-grandmother's scrapbook a few months back. It was kept in an old (1854) hardback book of Patent Law. She cut out of the newspaper or magazines such things as poetry, articles, obituaries, notices, etc. She also put in church bulletins, calling cards, invitations and such. The book was heavy with poetry about young children dying. It leapt out of the book at me with an emotional heaviness.

This great grandmother gave birth to 11 children. She died at age 39 and one half, exactly. She was buried next to a small monument containing the names and birth and death dates of 3 of her children. Maggie was 5. Suzie was 23 months. Pinckney was 5 months.

No television. No radio. Stiff upper lip at all times. No wonder the poetry and piano music was so emotional! What times those were!

decaf
November 13, 2000 - 05:04 pm
MaryPage - Wonderful story/memories.

Judy S

3kings
November 14, 2000 - 12:16 am
You good folk have helped me before with remembered fragments. seeing we are discussing WW1 poets, can anyone tell me where i can find the poem with these two lines--
Was it for this the clay grew tall
Oh what made fatuous sunbeams toil at all?

Trevor

annafair
November 14, 2000 - 03:41 am
You are such a blessing..sharing your memories and your knowledge. I always look forward to your posts.Those wonderful sentimental poems from the past always touched my heart when I was a child. In fact they still do. I spent many summers on my aunt and uncle's farm where an old wind up Victrola and numerous records entertained me. Since I was there by myself I could play them as often as I wished, learning the words to many most people never heard of..I think my grandchildren miss a lot and I wish I had one of them old fangled wind up victrolas.

JimVA thank you for opening the door to the WWI "lost poets" I do something when I visit any cemetary but especially a military cemetary.I walk among the grave markers and read the names and tell them they are not forgotten. No poetry should be forgotten. In my opinion all poetry comes from deepest part of the soul. Some is better than others but none of it is truly bad.

Trevor you always give us something to think about. Since I have numerous doctors appts this month I am limiting my time but I bet that Mary Page will find the poem for you she is resourceful and good at that ..Thank goodness for all of you poetry lovers. God Bless you all...

anna in Virginia where the leaves have just about gone for the year and the warmth from my little wood stove in my sunroom is welcomed by my me and my yellow lab, Katie

Phyll
November 14, 2000 - 06:48 am
Anna,

Did you play "Runnin' Wild" on that old Victrola? I did (my grandmother had one) when I was a kid----played it over and over until it was so scratched it was unrecognizable.

And my other grandmother had a stereoptican that I used to spend long hours on a quiet Sunday afternoon looking through.

Why do we remember so vividly the simple pleasures? Do you think our grandchildren will remember "Game Boy" or "Nintendo" in their later years?

Phyll

Phyll
November 14, 2000 - 07:03 am
Wilfred Owen

Futility
 
Move him into the sun-- 
Gently its touch awoke him once, 
At home, whispering of fields unsown. 
Always it woke him, even in France, 
Until this morning and this snow. 
If anything might rouse him now 
The kind old sun will know. 

Think how it wakes the seeds,-- Woke, once, the clays of a cold star. Are limbs, so dear-achieved, are sides, Full-nerved-- still warm,-- too hard to stir? Was it for this the clay grew tall? -- O what made fatuous sunbeams toil To break earth's sleep at all?


Trevor, Is this the one you were thinking of? Here is a good link to him and his poetry http://www.pitt.edu/~novosel/owen.html .

Phyll

3kings
November 14, 2000 - 09:10 am
PHYLL. Yes, thankyou. I see I did not remember the lines as well as I might. (G) My memory never has been too sharp! I am struck particularly by that line 'Was it for this the clay grew tall?'-- Trevor.

JimVA
November 14, 2000 - 11:22 am
"Futility" is also one of the 7 or 8 of Owen's dozens of first-hand "horrors of war" poems that Benjamin Britten chose to set to music when later composing his "War Requiem."

I agree 100% that the line "Was it for this the clay grew tall?" is strong imagery...as is Owen's perspective in this poem, looking down on a fallen comrade. Particularly so, since we now know that only a few months later it would be Owen himself lying there dead.

MaryPage
November 14, 2000 - 11:52 am
I am assuming "the clay" is man, who was made from clay. He is saying, as billions have cried before, WHY was this person born at all, just to die? Basically, that is the wail of our species. We cannot really fathom why we die. The poet has put it beautifully.

3kings
November 17, 2000 - 02:44 pm
MARY. I think Owen was asking " was it for this that he was born and lived, rather than died." " This " being that ghastly landscape of mud, blood, and death, where killing and insanity reigned supreme.

My father sometimes spoke of those trenches, and I have grown to understand why he, going to war a young jingoistic patriot, returned a dedicated pacifist.

annafair
November 19, 2000 - 10:25 am
Thank goodness for your posts that keep this discussion alive, vital and interesting....Tomorrow I have a ct scan to see what is going on with this hernia...I am sure I will do well if I can survive the drinking of what looks like 3 cups of barium tonight and again tomorrow...with all the advances in medicine you would think they could come up with a palatable potion.. Keep posting and golly that poem was new to me and filled me with such depth of emotion...Trevor I think you are right we all wonder when someone is cut down too soon why did all the love etc that went into helping him/her mature seem useless and pointless...although at an early age I knew I would always be glad I had lived...and as I am now in my 70th decade I am still glad but feel a depth of sadness when I read or hear of a young person whose candlelight has gone out too soon ... ah back to getting ready to swallow liquid chalk ( ugh) later this afternoon....YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT DAY ...anna in Virginia

MaryPage
November 19, 2000 - 03:56 pm
Oh Anna! Been there. Done that! How hateful and ghastly and MY SYMPATHY. Ugh! Ick! love, mp

ALF
November 20, 2000 - 05:56 am
Oh dear Anna, do let us know how you made out with you Cat scan. ASAP

Phyll
November 20, 2000 - 07:26 am
Fair Anna,

I think they make that stuff taste so bad on purpose so you will think the CT is the easy part. It really is boo-ugly stuff to have to cram down.

Hope you get some answers----have my fingers crossed for you.

JimVA
November 23, 2000 - 01:23 pm
There's dozens of poignant poems about this major USA holiday. Here's 3 I like:

The Modern Hiawatha

He killed the noble Mudjokivis
Of the skin he made him mittens,
Made them with the fur side inside
Made them with the skin side outside
He, to get the warm side inside
Put the inside skin side outside
He, to get the cold side outside
Put the warm side fur side inside,
That's why he put the fur side inside
Why he put the skin side outside
Why he turned them inside outside.
-- George A. Strong.

 
GOBBLEDY-GOBBLE 

How they laughed! "He's so scrawny. Scrawny! Scrawny!" they taunt me. "Not handsome and brawny, He's ugly as sin."

So gobbledy-gob- ble, I'm not with the mob because of the shape that I'm in. "The worst on the block. A disgrace to the flock." They're ashamed to admit they're my kin.

Well, sometimes they hurt ('Twould be nice to be purt- y.), but common sense says "You're a winner." For on Thanksgiving Day they have all gone away to be somebody's good-looking dinner. -- Felice Holman.

Come, Ye Thankful People, Come

Come, ye thankful people, come, Raise the song of harvest-home: All is safely gathered in. Ere the winter storms begin: God, our Maker, doth provide For our wants to be supplied; Come to God's own temple, come, Raise the song of harvest-home. -- George J. Elvey.

turkey!!

JimVA
November 24, 2000 - 10:13 am
Dear God: My name's Samantha, and I'm seven,
In Sunday School today we talked of Heaven--
At least our Teacher did. She said nice things
About the place--Where is it? Folded wings
Are what (she told us twice) you wear up there
Where people walk on clouds; clouds float on air.
Well, now I'm in my room. I've shut the door
To say some things that I've not said before.
Thanksgiving is tomorrow. Teacher thought
That we should think about it; that we ought
To itemize (she actually said name)
Some things that You have given us. I came
Straight home and, after supper, got a pad
And put down this and that. If You can add,
You'll find they come to what I hoped--to seven,
Which is my age; which also rhymes with Heaven.
Health, sight, hearing, speech, mind, for a starter.
That leaves me two to go. If I were smarter,
I'd know which two; one could be just the Earth,
For that is what You gave me at my birth.
Still, I don't own it, though it's part of me.
Friendship is better, for in friends we see
So much: taste, courage, kindness, trust. The key
To friendship, though, I guess is love; so I
Choose love. And You won't mind if I add sky?
Heaven's up there; we do say "God on High."
So there's my seven that I'm thankful for.
Dear God, I mean it! Thank You, God, once more.
-- David McCord.

annafair
November 25, 2000 - 11:08 pm
Back from the Ct Scan wars ....plus other effrontery to the human bod..my veins are deep,small and apparantly rolling since it took six tries to get the needle in for the iodine dye...so now my arms and the back of my hand are sporting purple spots..almost black so you could say I look like a dalmation //that is supposed to make you smile. Thank goodness all is well inside except the hernia so I guess as soon as I make the decision I will have it repaired again...it is nice to know ones organs are intact and functioning ...

Now I have to laugh at some of the poems and thank you for that ..as I believe laughter is better for one than penicillin..was looking through the book my daughter gave me for my birthday ..it is a number of poets and the first poem they remember that moved them to enjoy and eventually write poetry themselves...will give you some samples but thought it would be interesting if we shared some early poems and poets that we enjoyed and piqued our interest in poetry...

I remember Longfellows Hiawatha and The Village Blacksmith..The Lay of the Last Minstral, Thanatopsis, Ozymandis ( hope that is spelled correctly) the poems of the Brownings..I am still suffering from an inner ear viral infection so reading and looking at things too long gives me vertigo...so will thank you all for posting here and look forward to seeing some of your favorites...anna in Virginia who is now as dizzy as she really is

JimVA
November 26, 2000 - 12:39 pm
I've praised "renaissance man" Gordon Parks in several earlier online posts (here and elsewhere). Here's one of Gordon Parks' non-belligerent, constructive poems (about mid-1900s oppression of his race) that--speak volumes to this white fan of his'n, today:
 
 What I want 
 What I am 
 What you force me to be 
 Is what you are.
For I am you, staring back from a mirror of poverty and despair, of revolt and freedom. Look at me and know that to destroy me is to destroy yourself. You are weary of the long hot summers. I am tired of the long hungered winters. We are not so far apart as it might seem. There is something about both of us that goes deeper than blood or black and white. It is our common search for a better life, a better world.
Next Thursday (Parks' 88th birthday), HBO cable-tv plans to air a 90-min Parks' special: "Half Past Autumn: The Life and Works of Gordon Parks.". I've applauded some of Parks' many products earlier. Hopefully, this tv special will air some of what I've long been shouting about.

JimVA
November 27, 2000 - 06:54 am
http://www.thirdage.com/WebX?14@@.ee94dad/10

P.S. - That website has lately been hard to "go to"; I can usually get to it be successively clicking on link, then on STOP, then on link...until the link finally takes. This might be one to five tries. O'well. My apologies for that website's becoming-notoriously-poor forum software design.

3kings
November 27, 2000 - 09:46 am
JimVA Thanks for that link to your discussion about Gordon Parks I read it and would like to read more of his poetry. BTW, the link worked perfectly, there were no hitches at all-- Trevor.

JimVA
November 27, 2000 - 11:47 am
Thanks for the info, Trevor...appreciated! That website with my 1/31/99 post does work better sometimes, that other times (mostly during USA daytime hours, I've often found).

As you saw while reading my brief bio about Parks, his poignant poetry is but one of this "Renaissance Man's" major artistic talents. I guess his lifelong "photographic essays" career with Life Magazine will ultimately be his best-remembered product. (Or his musical "Shaft" score; or his poetry; or his books.)

I've no cable-tv connection, so I hope others here will watch Thursday's HBO special on him, and will then feel inspired to post comments about it to us forum friends here.

JimVA
November 27, 2000 - 11:50 am
I know we're tiring of Election Day 2000 jokes. But here's a few last odes "in the manner of" great poets I tonight consider worth sharing with my forum friends here:

History buff Henry Wadsworth Longfellow:

 
  Listen, my children, don't dare ignore, 
  The midnight actions of Bush and Gore. 
  In early November, the year ought-ought, 
  Hard to believe the mess they wrought. 
  Two billion bucks of campaign bounty 
  All came down to Palm Beach County. 
  What result could have been horrider 
  Than the situation we found in Florider?
Edgar Allen Poe, in his usual gloomy self:
 
  Once upon a campaign dreary, 
  One which left us weak and weary 
  O'er many a quaint and curious 
  Promise of political lore 
  While we nodded, nearly napping, 
  Suddenly there came a yapping, 
  As of some votes overlapping, 
  energy-zapping to the core. 
  "'Tis a mess here," we all muttered, 
  As the network anchors stuttered, 
  Stuttered over Bush and Gore. 
  Could there be another election 
  With such a case of misdirection, 
  One with such a weak selection, 
  Yet fraught with tension to the core? 
  Quoth the ravers: "Nevermore."
Britain's Edward Lear's lighter limerick:
 
  There once was a U.S. election 
  That called for some expert detection - 
  How thousands of pollers 
  Could become two-holers 
  Like outhouses of recollection.
Ditto, Ogden Nash:
 
  I regret to admit that all my knowledge is 
  What I learned at Electoral Colleges, 
  So tell me please, though I hate to troublya, 
  Will the winner be Al, or will it be Dublya?
Joyce Kilmer, a media analyst:
 
  I thought that I would never see 
  The networks all so up a tree.
Walt Whitman, lyrical as always:
 
  O' Captain! My Captain! 
  Our fearful trip's not done 
  The ship has weathered every rack 
  But nobody knows who's won.
Alfred Noyes rhythmically rumbles:
 
 And still of an autumn night they say, 
 With the White House on the line, 
 When the campaign's a ghostly galleon 
 And both candidates cry, "'Tis mine!" 
 When the road is a ribbon of ballots, 
 All within easy reach, 
 A highwayman comes riding, 
 Riding, Riding, 
 A highwayman comes riding, 
 And punches two holes in each.
Dr. Seuss describes election officials:
 
 I cannot count them in a box 
 I cannot count them with a fox 
 I cannot count them by computer 
 I will not with a Roto-Rooter 
 I cannot count them card-by-card 
 I will not 'cause it's way too hard 
 I cannot count them on my fingers 
 I will not while suspicion lingers 
 I'll leave the country in a jam - 
 I can't count ballots, Sam-I-Am.
Clement Moore adopts a holiday theme:
 
 'Twas the month before Christmas, 
 When all through the courts, 
 All the plaintiffs made stirring, but 
 Bad ballot reports.
Which leaves us with the problem:
 
 Perhaps the best way to stop 
 Complaints that are raucous, 
 Is to start all over again, 
 With the Iowa caucuses.

betty gregory
November 27, 2000 - 09:33 pm
Too, too funny! Thank you, Jim!

3kings
November 27, 2000 - 11:31 pm
Jim, that's hilarious! I'm printing them out, and handing them onto friends. Great stuff! -- Trevor.

ALF
November 28, 2000 - 04:58 am
Jim, that is hysterical, i love it! I'm stealing it.

MaryPage
November 28, 2000 - 05:40 am
EGGScellent, Jim!

Obviously, I enjoyed the Dr. Seuss the most.

Bravo!

patwest
November 28, 2000 - 06:09 am
I printed out Seuss and pinned it to the door in the Teachers' lounge here at school

Phyll
November 28, 2000 - 06:28 am
I vote for Ogden Nash----and you better count my vote or I'll take you to court! 8=}

Phyll

Deems
November 28, 2000 - 12:19 pm
Bravo, Jim!


~Maryal

Nettie
November 28, 2000 - 05:31 pm
Thanks JimVA! Loved them, everyone!

JimVA
November 29, 2000 - 02:29 pm
WOW! It's a warm feeling when others take time out to post comments about another's posts. Time to time, forum friends, I've silently been (blushing) enjoying many of your posts here too. It's also great to find a place where "poetry humor" is readily understood. Here's another poetry humor msg (my thoughts, so freely share it with others, if you wish):

Some of today's better poets are best called "songwriters." Let's not try to name them all: the Bob Dylan's, Leonard Cohen's, Joan Baez's, Ira Gershwin's, Irving Berlin's, Cole Porter's, Hammerstein's. I could enthuse about these and a dozen other quality songwriter/poets...for hours.

Reverse side to this coin, is that some older poems have recently been set to modern music. Sad to report, my beloved Emily Dickinson is one example. It's said that almost all her poems can be sung to tune of "The Yellow Rose of Texas." And Forum Friends, I've tried and found this--so!

Another example is Robert Frost's beloved poem, "Stopping By Woods On A Snowy Evening." When sung to tune of "Hernando's Hideaway," this poem takes on a whole 'nother dimension of enjoyment. Try humming it to Frost's below poem--if you dare:

Whose woods these are I think I know
His house is in the village though
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.

My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.

He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep
But I have promises to keep
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep.

Others prefer to sing Frost's poem to tune of: "Sixteen Tons"; "Your Cheatin' Heart"; "Casey Jones"; or "Just A Closer Walk With Thee." New dimensions of enjoyment for us all.

Or we might instead choose to simply love the spoken words of Frost's, Emily's, and other's poems as originally intended--sans music. Comments welcome; anyone?

annafair
November 30, 2000 - 02:45 am
What a great laugh you gave us ..I have printed out the page and copied to send to a number of friends who have sent me a lot of political opinions! Just reading and laughing about them makes me feel better. Did you read where it is have been proven laughter is healing and may prevent heart attacks? I have believed that ever since Norman Cousins wrote about his expierence in Anatomy of an Illness ( I think that was the title) and have actually practiced it when I have been ill. Gordon Parks, an all around talent I have long admired ..thanks for sharing that as well. Good to see you all here...My vertigo is improving somewhat thank goodness. I am even baking Xmas cookies! from anna in Va

Ginny
November 30, 2000 - 06:42 am
Here's one from one of our own, Ella Gibbons, you'll like this, Jim and Anna:


Lawsuits by the fistful
lawyers by the score
ballots by the thousands
but it's still just Bush and Gore!


hahahaa

LouiseJEvans
November 30, 2000 - 11:19 am
Well now all those ballots are on their way north
On the Read Again

3kings
December 2, 2000 - 02:22 pm
It has just come to my notice, slow learner that I am, that Alexander Pope in his 'Essay on Criticism' wrote

To err is humane; to forgive, devine.

I always thought he wrote ' To err is Human;' not Humane. Does anyone know what he meant by Humane? Is it possible that both words had the same meaning in his day?-- Trevor.

Ginny
December 4, 2000 - 01:38 pm
Trevor, I must be, too, and I looked it up in the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations and they have it as "human." Where have you seen it as humane?

Let me look it up in another source!

ginny

Ginny
December 4, 2000 - 01:40 pm
Bartlett's has it as "human, " too, where are you seeing "humane," it may be some new thing I'm not aware of?

ginny

3kings
December 5, 2000 - 12:49 am
A friend, who first pointed this out to me, brought a book around this evening and from it I quote..

"To Err is Humane," Pope memorably writes "To Forgive, Devine" By Humane Pope means "Human"( the two meanings once shared a spelling), but he's also talking about being Humane in our sense. "Nor in the Critick let the man be lost" means " don't let your critical zeal cloud over your fellow feeling". Be gentle with the mediocre; save your harshness for more important things.

Pope thought up the part about forgiveness, but the first part of his epigram was a familiar saying. " To Err is human ( or Humane) " traces back to the Latin proverb 'Humanum est errare,' first found in Seneca's Naturales Questiones (1st centurt AD) It was quoted and translated numerous times in earlier English literature.

He ( the author) then goes on to quote Augustine and also Cicero, in the same context. That is all I have on the matter. and as I said earlier, I don't know if it is true or not. Presumably, no one would make it up? -- Trevor.

JimVA
December 5, 2000 - 06:48 am
3kings, is it possible your quote is from a book retaining some of the "olde english" spellings? I ask that because in another quote, you spelled Critic as "Critick" (certainly the olde english spelling).

In olde english (note the e in 'old'), it was quite common to put an e after various nouns (that today's books have mostly dropped, for ease in readibility). Here's a sample of olde english from Mallory's King Arthur of 1485a.d. (also titled Le Morte Darthur):

Than sir Bedwere departed and wente to the swerde and lyghtly toke hit up, and so he wente unto the watirs syde. And there he bounde the gyrdyll aboute the hyltis, and threwe the swerde as farre into the watir as he myght.
Well, gives some idea of olde english spellings, I hope. Note the several trailing "e" words. I.E., "humane" for Pope just might have been his (old-fashioned but still in use in 1711) way of spelling "human." In Pope's older printings, about 35 lines later after "To err" is the word Critick...spelled with a K. This too might give a clue as to whether your version of "To err..." is olde english or not.

Ginny
December 5, 2000 - 06:50 am
Jim, we were posting together, I think you've hit on it!

Trevor, I've really enjoyed my morning tho, thanks to you.

What is the title of the book and the author? I've spent a happy morning looking up the words erro and humanum. In Lewis and Short there are many translations of the word "humanus" and "humanum," and they do mention examples of its extremely varied use (two huge columns long) in, among others: Cicero, Horace, Ennius, Priscianus, Pliny, Plautus, Livy, Juvenal, Varro, Ovid, and many more etc. They don't mention Augustine. Or Seneca, let me look again specifically for Seneca.

All I can find on "Errare est Humanum" is that it's an anonymous Latin saying, according to Bartlett's which links it to Plutarch (Against Colotes) and thence to Anon. Latin saying, and derivations are found in Pope (spelled "human",) Shirley and Burns.

Doesn't mention Seneca's Quaestiones Naturales (Investigations in Natural Science): "which was an important source of knowledge (and misinformation) in the Middle Ages.

So it's possible you've found some new scholarship there in your book's commentary, and while it may be impossible to say who said it first in Latin, what with Jim's input here, we may now know why it is spelled as "humane," but I still would like to know about this book your'e reading the commentary in.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention, reminds me of the discussion of Lies My Teacher Told Me, just finished.

ginny

Ginny
December 5, 2000 - 06:51 am
oo, Jim, that might just be the key, thanks so much for that!

ginny

3kings
December 6, 2000 - 02:46 am
JIM and GINNY. Yes I think you are right. 'Olde English spelling" is probably the answer. I was quoting from a paperback " Brush up your Poetry" by Michael Macrone. First published in US in 1996 by Cader Books, 38E. 29 Street, New York NY. 10016, USA. ISBN:0 09 186528 X Should you want to find a copy. -- Trevor

JimVA
December 6, 2000 - 12:59 pm
Thanks for that info, Trevor. I've earlier enjoyed Macrone's "Brush Up Your Shakespeare," so now I'm going to seek out his 1996 "Brush Up Your Poetry" book too.

As you can maybe perceive, I'm a Shakespeare fan. So I've also earlier enjoyed Eric Partridge's 1960 "Shakespeare Bawdy" paperback. My public library still carries it--and maybe yours too.

Thanks, Trevor, for taking time to reassure me/us here, that yours could well have been an "olde english" version of Pope's 1711 a.d. "An Essay on Criticism."

annafair
December 10, 2000 - 08:02 am
Here I am enjoying a very interesting discussion. I have nothing to offer but enjoyed the reading of your thoughts and ideas. I must confess I am very human as I err often! This little phrase was always a comfort to me when I did and I felt rather smug about being devine when I forgave someone...Right now I am too busy to even pick up one of my books of poetry and that is not good for so many times when I do I am transported and lifted by reading.

Two weeks from today my family will gather here at my home and believe me I am not ready for them. There will be 12 adults and 7 children ...isnt there a poem to inspire me? or one to forgive my sloth?

Just thinking ...anna from Virginia

Phyll
December 10, 2000 - 10:42 am
Fair Anna, How about this one? Edgar Guest was not a "fashionable" poet but was more a "poet of the people", I think.

THE STICK-TOGETHER FAMILIES   by Edgar Guest 
  from "Just Folks", The Reilly & Lee Co., (c) 1917



The stick-together families are happier by far Than the brothers and the sisters who take separate highways are. The gladdest people living are the wholesome folks who make A circle at the fireside that no power but death can break. And the finest of conventions ever held beneath the sun Are the little family gatherings when the busy day is done.



There are rich folk, there are poor folk, who imagine they are wise, And they're very quick to shatter all the little family ties. Each goes searching after pleasure in his own selected way, Each with strangers likes to wander, and with strangers likes to play. But it's bitterness they harvest, and it's empty joy they find, For the children that are wisest are the stick-together kind.



There are some who seem to fancy that for gladness they must roam, That for smiles that are the brightest they must wander far from home. That the strange friend is the true friend, and they travel far astray And they waste their lives in striving for a joy that's far away, But the gladdest sort of people, when the busy day is done, Are the brothers and the sisters who together share their fun.



It's the stick-together family that wins the joys of earth, That hears the sweetest music and that finds the finest mirth; It's the old home roof that shelters all the charm that life can give; There you find the gladdest play-ground, there the happiest spot to live. And, O weary, wandering brother, if contentment you would win, Come you back unto the fireside and be comrade with your kin.


Enjoy your family, Anna,---afterwards you will know that all the work and worry and tiredness was worth it. Happy holidays!

Phyll

annafair
December 11, 2000 - 12:07 am
Phyll what memories you evoke with that poem by Edgar Guest. One of the St Louis papers when I was growing up published his poems daily I believe. What a prolific poet he was. Even then I recognized he was not a "fashionable poet" but he wrote poems even a young girl could understand. There was no need to interpret an Edgar Guest poem, it was plain spoken. Thank you so much for sharing that poem and of course he is right. My family and my husband's family were stick to gether folks and I have been blessed to find my children and their children are the same kind.

A good friend once asked where my self confidence came from ( I think I am wonderful LOL ) I had to examine that question and decided it was because I grew up with wall to wall relatives. My father's twelve other siblings and my mother's ten were close. They were stick together relatives ..visiting each other as often as they could. Being there for each other at births and funerals and all times in between. What a gift they gave me. AH thanks again and again for bringing warm memories to me... anna in Virginia

3kings
December 15, 2000 - 01:04 am
Sitting here on a balmy summer’s evening, I thought of you northern folk facing cold winter storms, perhaps by a wood fire. I was reminded of a poem by D.H. Lawrence, "Piano”. I like it, and I’m sure you all know it. It seemed appropriate to your Northern Winters.

PIANO

Softly , in the dusk, a woman is singing to me;
Taking me back down the vista of years, till I see
A child sitting under the piano, in the boom of the tingling
strings
And pressing the small, poised feet of a mother who smiles as she
sings.
In spite of myself, the insidious mastery of song
Betrays me back, till the heart of me weeps to belong
To the old Sunday evenings at home, with winter outside
And hymns in the cosy parlour, the tinkling piano our guide.
So now it is vain for the singer to burst in clamour
with the great black piano appassionato. The clamour
Of childish days is apon me, my manhood is cast
Down in the flood of remembrance, I weep like achild for the
past.

MaryPage
December 15, 2000 - 06:17 am
I know EXACTLY what he means!

Phyll
December 15, 2000 - 06:29 am
Trevor,

I liked the poem very much and I loved the last line. I know that the so-called experts tell us that when we grow older we shouldn't indulge in the remembrance of the past but I figure what do they know? Most of them are too young to have too much to remember, anyway. <grin> I don't live in the past but remembrances of it bring comfort and occasionally sorrow.

JimVA
December 15, 2000 - 01:49 pm
WOW! Some great poetry posts here, lately. I'm inspired to recommend this Library of America year-2000 2-vol anthology (vols purchasable separately).

Vol I covers Henry Adams (1838-1918) thru Dorothy Parker (1893-1967). Vol II covers e.e.cummings (1884-1962) thru May Swenson (1913-1989). These are organized in order of poets' birthdates--and include biographical notes, text notes, and an index.

Library of America publishes American literature boxed books on light-weight acid-free pages sewn-bound for easy opening and a flat lie; i.e., highest-quality. To date I have 73 earlier boxed LofA books, but not this new American poetry anthology--yet.

Here's a comment about it in Washington Post's 12/3/2000 "Book World" section:

If ever something was made to put a stop to all discussion of the only work you would want to have with you on a desert island, it is this two-volume set. - Thomas M. Disch.
That inspired me to scan these 2 books at my public library; and I'll second Disch's opinion.

JTB8817
December 16, 2000 - 06:54 pm
No Tears

I do not want your tears
When comes my time to go;
A little wine (champagne is fine)
Will be more apropos.


And then I'd much prefer
A funeral quite small,
With flowers few (rosebuds will do),
Pallbearers . . . none at all.


The service should be short,
The music never sad;
Some Bach to start . . . of course Mozart . . .
And Brahms will make me glad.


I wish no eulogy,
No mournful sacrament;
Some comments terse . . . a bit of verse . . .
And I shall be content.


jtb

Phyll
December 17, 2000 - 09:33 am
I love this poem at this time of year and I play the music (arranged by Gustav Holtz) over and over. Have a happy holiday, everyone!
 
IN THE BLEAK MID-WINTER



In the bleak mid-winter Frosty wind made moan. Earth stood hard as iron, Water like a stone; Snow had fallen snow on snow, Snow on snow, In the bleak mid-winter Long ago.

Angels and Archangels May have gathered there Cherubim and Seraphim Thronged the air; But His Mother only, In Her maiden bliss, Worshipped the Beloved With a kiss.

What can i give Him, Poor as I am? If I were a shepherd, I would bring a lamb; If I were a wise man, I would do my part; Yet what can I give him? Give my heart.



by Christina Rosetti

Patricia Robinson-King
December 23, 2000 - 09:17 am
It is December 23rd and I thought I would share a poem of mine written for one of my daughters some years back. Hope you like it. THE SMALL MADONNA
One Christmas when my child was only seven,
She gave us all a glimpse of heaven.
Her doll in an oatmeal box became
The Holy Child in a homemade frame.
Holding Him, she sang with grace,
A secret smile upon her face.
"Hark the Herald Angels Sing,"
She crowned her own sweet baby, King!
And soft as love comes to the meek,
An angel came and kissed her cheek.
Merry Christmas and Joyeux Noel from Pat

MaryPage
December 23, 2000 - 11:46 am
Lovely. Thank you so much and Happy Christmas!

3kings
December 24, 2000 - 07:56 pm
This simple little poem appeals to me. I am an agnostic, but there is a part of me on which the sentiments expressed, tug. I wonder why? The poem, I am sure you know it, is called " The Oxen " --Trevor

THE OXEN.

Christmas Eve, and twelve of the clock.
"Now they are all on their knees,"
An Elder said as we sat in a flock
By the embers in hearth side ease.

We pictured the meek mild creatures where
They dwelt in their strawy pen,
Nor did it occur to one of us there
To doubt they were kneeling then.

So fair a fancy few would weave
In these years! Yet, I feel,
If someone said on Christmas Eve,
"Come, see the oxen kneel

"In the lonely barton by yonder coomb
Our childhood used to know,"
I should go with him in the gloom,
Hoping it might be so.

THOMAS HARDY 1840-1928.

CharlieW
December 30, 2000 - 05:07 am
In our ongoing discussion of short stories from the collection Best American Short Stories 2000, we'll be taking a look at Marilyn Krysl's The Thing Around Them in a few days. I thought some of you might be interested in reading a few of her poems.I think midwife, especially, is teriffic.


Charlie

ALF
December 30, 2000 - 06:38 am
Thanks Charlie for the wonderful links. I loved the 1st one entitledConsumer as it reminds me of a dear friend who always tells me , so dreamily, the older she gets the less she needs and wants in life. Midwife is a masterpiece written by a soul of the centuries.

Ginny
December 30, 2000 - 09:22 am



AULD LANG SYNE




Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And never brought to min'?
Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
And days o' lang syne?

We twa hae run about the braes,
( hillsides)
And pou'd the gowans fine;
( pulled/daisies)
But we've wander'd mony a weary foot,
Sin auld lang syne.



We twa hae paidl't i' the burn,
( waded/stream)
Frae morning sun till dine,
( noon/dinner-time)

But seas between us braid hae roar'd
( broad)
Sin auld lang syne.



And there's a hand, my trusty fiere,
And gie's a hand o' thine,
And we'll tak a right guid willie-waught,
( goodwill drink)
For auld lang syne.



And surely ye'll be your pint-stowp,
( pay for)
And surely I'll be mine;
And we'll tak a cup o' kindness yet
For auld lang syne.




CHORUS

For auld syne, my dear,
old long ago For auld lang syne,
We'll tak a cup o' kindness yet,
For auld lang syne.





Robert Burns: AULD LANG SYNE

A song of friendship and salutation recognised across the English-speaking world, the Burns song we know and love to sing on Burns's Night and at New Year was by no means the first of its kind. Burns claimed to have transcribed it `from an old man's singing', but a similar `Auld Lang Syne' tune was actually printed circa 1700 and is therefore certain to be much older. The Burns version was adapted by Thomson (probably with Burns's acquiescence) but Johnson had already reprinted Allan Ramsay's `Auld Lang Syne' (a different tune set to a love song rather than a song of parting) in Vol I of SMM in 1787. The timeless Burns gem still treasured to this day had to wait for publication until after the Bard's death and appeared in Vol V of SMM in 1796. `Light be the turf on the breast of the heaven-inspired Poet who composed this glorious Fragment' wrote Burns to Mrs Dunlop on 7th December 1788. In a note to George Thomson (1793) he describes it as `the old song of the olden times, and which has never been in print, nor even in manuscript, until I took it down from an old man's singing.'


ginny

LouiseJEvans
December 30, 2000 - 10:55 am
That song has never seemed the same since Guy Lombardo no longer greets the New Year with it.

3kings
December 31, 2000 - 02:06 am
This is one by HONE TUWHARE about the changing of the years. In NZ this takes place at the begining of summer. he called it

TIME AND THE CHILD

Tree earth and sky
reel to the noontide beat
of sun and the old man
hobbling down the road.
Cadence--

of sun-drowned cicada
in a child's voice shrilling :
....are you going man?

Where are you going man where
The old man is deaf
to the child.
His stick makes deep
holes in the ground.
His eyes burn to a distant point

where all roads converge....
The child has left his toys
and hobbles after the old
man calling: funny man funny man

funny old man funny
Overhead the sun paces
and buds pop and flare.



Trevor.

Ginny
January 1, 2001 - 04:59 am
Trevor, that is SO fabulous, thank you so much for putting that there. I got up thinking about the old man and the baby and thought I'd come in here and reread the Auld Lang Syne and just was blown away by that.

Thank you so much!

ginny

annafair
January 6, 2001 - 04:38 pm
Good to see some posts since I have not been here...what a leader I am ...I do hope you all had a wonderful holiday..my family gathered here ..13 adults and 5 children...it was a wonderful time but Hunter my year old grandson gave Nana a terrible cold...am just now improving and feel like I will recover ..although my conversations are interrupted by coughs and sneezes... My youngest grandson ..6 mos was operated on Fri the 5th and is doing nicely ..he had to have his right kidney repaired..they left 1/3 which I didnt even know they could do ..but it takes some load off of the left one..It seems this is a problem in males and now that I have shared it with many they all tell me of a child,relative or friend who had the same...in any case if all is well he will be home tomorrow Sun and in no time I am sure will be taking off, giving us all a run ...( his father walked early) One poem I thought of when the weather forecasters predicted 8 inches of snow (which thank goodness bypassed us) was Snowbound...I promised myself I would look it up before I entered here today but I didnt and I am not sure who the author was Whittier? but the day the snow faile do arrive it looked like the first lines which again I am not sure of but here goes testing my memory

The sun that brief December day
 
Rose cheerless over hills of grey 
 
And gave at noon 
 
A sadder light than waning moon 
  
we didnt get the snow but we did in the early am hours get the feeling .... 
Will hopefully return well ...and A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL  

anna in Va who needs to get better

Phyll
January 7, 2001 - 07:43 am
Anna, I am sorry to hear that you are under-the-weather and hope that today will find you feeling better. Here is a little more of "Snow Bound". Whittier is another one of out of fashion poets, don't you think? However, he still speaks to me.

The Sun that Brief December Day
By John Greenleaf Whittier, 1807-1892

From "Snow Bound"

The sun that brief December day Rose cheerless over hills of gray, And, darkly circled, gave at noon A sadder light than waning moon. Slow tracing down the thickening sky Its mute and ominous prophecy, A portent seeming less than threat, It sank from sight before it set. A chill no coat, however stout, Of homespun stuff could quite shut out, A hard, dull bitterness of cold, That checked, mid-vein, the circling race Of life-blood in the sharpened face, The coming of the snow-storm told. The wind blew east; we heard the roar Of Ocean on his wintry shore, And felt the strong pulse throbbing there Beat with low rhythm our inland air.

Meanwhile we did our nightly chores,- Brought in the wood from out of doors, Littered the stalls, and from the mows Raked down the herd's-grass for the cows: Heard the horse whinnying for his corn; And, sharply clashing horn on horn, Impatient down the stanchion rows The cattle shake their walnut bows; While, peering from his early perch Upon the scaffold's pole of birch, The cock his crested helmet bent And down his querulous challenge sent.

annafair
January 7, 2001 - 08:25 am
Thanks for the post I finally looked up Snowbound and found I did remember the author and while I missed the introductory lines I forgive myself as it has been years since I read Snowbound. Looked into his other poems and found there were others that I recalled.

I printed out snowbound from the net and it is 17 pages long! There is the clue. In today's fast paced society we want our verse terse,no one wants to savor a poem long enough to be a book. I am not sure modern poets would feel it necessary to write a poem of that length. We have fooled ourselves into believing we can reduce our important thoughts to few lines and few pages. Those are my random thoughts and I would appreciate anyones thinking as well.

Since I am still under the weather I took time to re read the whole poem and it triggered my favorite memory. Our family was living in Nashville Tn in the what was almost country and we had a blizzard that locked us in for several days. That time is so precious to me if there is any of my life I would live over it was those days. We drew close in a way that most of life prevents. We played in the snow, made wonderful snow men, made a snow fort,threw snowballs at each other, pulled the children on the sled, hellowed to neighbors doing the same. Gathered when we came inside in front of the fire and drank cups of hot cocoa. Soup simmered on the stove and we welcomed friends who unable to work since businesses shut down made it to our home and amid dampened clothes we sat and enjoyed life in a way we havent been able to do since.

Our family is unusually close knit and in my heart and mind I go back to those few days when we were snowbound, when life slowed and we had time to know each other's heart.

Perhaps age and loss and illness has made me think this way but I am glad to return in mind to that time.

anna who is still recovering in VA

Phyll
January 7, 2001 - 08:49 am
Anna,

You probably have hit the "key". In this fast paced world, people don't have time to stop and smell the roses much less stop to read what they would consider to be an "epic" (at least in length) poem.

I have a favorite story that in just a few words spoken by my daughter-in-law completely describes the relationship between she and my son. Her name is Beth and she said, "Tim taught me to stop and smell the flowers and I taught him that he doesn't have to stand and watch them grow." It gives a thumbnail insight into her fast thinking, fast moving, fast talking personality as compared with my son's laid-back, slow-down, take-it-easy approach to life.

Interesting how we all differ. My parents were visiting us in upstate NY for the Christmas season some years ago when we became literally snowbound for several days. My mother was nervous and edgy the whole time and declared she would never come to NY in the winter again (and she didn't). It wasn't that she really wanted to get out to anyplace--it was that she couldn't get out. I suspect it was something about feeling a restraint beyond her control. The few times that my husband and I are house bound because of weather we are quite content. If the larder is full and the power stays on we hunker down quite contentedly.

Forgive me, I am rambling, but poetry brings out memories, doesn't it?

Malryn (Mal)
January 7, 2001 - 04:45 pm
John Greenleaf Whittier was born in my hometown, Haverhill, Massachusetts. His birthplace, the house where he grew up, is on the Amesbury Road, the road between Haverhill and Amesbury, now known as Route 1 and not far from where I grew up. Whittier lived in Amesbury as an adult. Of course, I read Snowbound when I was very young, and every time I read it the memory of his birthplace comes to my mind.

My former father-in-law is an authority on Whittier and was president of the Whittier Club in Haverhill for many, many years.

Click below for a picture of Whittier's Birthplace.

Whittier's Birthplace

Mal

annafair
January 7, 2001 - 05:30 pm
Phyl thanks for your comments and yes we all do see things differently I have always welcomed being snowed in since it meant I could just do the things I wanted without someone expecting me to go someplace or do something..here in VA we close down when we have a goodly snow...like you when I have an ample larder and I do being raised by parents who purchased cases of canned goods for the winter AND WE LIVED IN TOWN ...so when I am snowed in I just relax and watch my toenails grow.

MAL thanks so much for that site ...looking at the picture my mind imagined what it looked like when the fields were covered with snow and Whittiers family made the best of their special time....

love to all ..I am improving ...my headache seems less and my sneezing not so forceful or so often...my dog now takes it in her stride..before I would awake to find her at my bedside with a questioning glance as if to ask ARE YOU OK? Now when I assure her I also assure me....

anna in VA

Malryn (Mal)
January 7, 2001 - 06:34 pm
Feel better, Anna. Thinking of you.

Mal

MaryPage
January 7, 2001 - 06:36 pm
I have always loved being snowed in as well.

Malryn (Mal)
January 7, 2001 - 07:55 pm
I was snowed in for three weeks last year, and at the end of it I didn't like it at all!

Mal

MaryPage
January 8, 2001 - 07:08 am
Well, I can believe that. I think about 3 days is the most I have ever experienced, if that! And I am just talking about going places and getting the car out; I have ALWAYS bundled up and gone out to enjoy the snow.

annafair
January 11, 2001 - 12:43 pm
Gee I know I have been busy,first with the holidays, my grandbaby's surgery and my own bout with whatever ...but please someone share a favorite poem or an original ...I think I need a jolly poem or one to welcome the wee bit longer day...anna in VA

MaryPage
January 11, 2001 - 02:41 pm
 
January's flat 
After December. 
I am feeling fat, 
But have feasts to remember! 


 
Anna wants a verse. 
I can't think of one. 
Also flat, my purse 
Now the holidays are done! 


Over to you, Miss Anna. Add some verses.

betty gregory
January 11, 2001 - 04:01 pm
It's the rainstorm I love. Nothing better than the sound of rain at night, the air just a little chilly and a good book.

Thanks for telling us your daughter-in-law's quip, Phyll. Had a great laugh over that. That kind of wit usually softens the sharp edges of competing outlooks. Anyway, sounds like someone I'd like. (And I envy people who can think that fast!!)

3kings
January 13, 2001 - 12:39 am
Another one by HONE TUWHARE.

THAT MORNING EARLY

Started up that morning
to stomach pinch and growls : listened
to the sound of hail nick on glass
and iron roof.

Heard the rain applauding : the lilt
and swell fading to the winds flirt
over the gaunt flank of the land

and wondered

how long it would be
before Nanny with her brown dimpled skin
and goat nanny smell would come
bearing leaves of koromiko
and black cauldron aswirl
with the mangled roots of flax or lawyer vine
to chide and O most firmly to assure me
that all my rumble belly yearnings shall match
the fearful splendour of riven skies
mending.....

Woke up that long away morning
to stomach pinch nipping
and a lip-locked moan escaping.

Lor
January 14, 2001 - 11:31 am
I saw a beautiful verse/poem on a picture yesterday about "Touching a childs life" & wonder if anyone has seen it anywhere. I would love to get a copy of the poem--but can't afford the picture---$220. It was in a Hallmark card shop.

annafair
January 14, 2001 - 10:45 pm
It was good to come in this am and find a few lines Mary Page you certainly made me laugh and Trevor the poems you share touch in ways that defy description....the feelings are universal even when they speak of other lands I need to get my books out and READ I think I am getting in a rut ...cold weather slows my brain ...or perhaps just age AH do I hate to even suggest that...

anna in Va

annafair
January 14, 2001 - 10:58 pm
Jim remember the wonderful,funny and insightful election poetry you posted? I dont know if they were original or not but guess what? They were published in my local newspaper as recieved in an email poet unknown ...I must confess I felt rather smug having read them here first ...

anna in VA

annafair
January 14, 2001 - 11:01 pm
This is my poem ...and how winter affects me ...

Winter is a stone
 

Winter is a stone around my neck The dark days pull me down My step is slow and I trod The bleak and frigid ground

The sun softened by trees in leaf In summer's bluer sky, now Burn the sky and etch with fire The bleak branches on the bough

My spirit sags and bends low It hunkers down to catch the heat From my little stove and wraps A robe and snuggles in a leather seat

Yet even as I mourn and grieve For spring I know some day When I return from a winter walk A golden crocus will light my way

From my second floor I see The dogwood, leaves and berries gone, Clutches tight wrapped buds who In spring will welcome the robins song

Then this stone will lift from my heart This winter will be past And my spirit lighter, brighter Will fly a flag from my souls mast
 

anna alexander 1/6/2001 ©

Malryn (Mal)
January 17, 2001 - 01:31 pm
This incredible poem, which I just received, was written for me. Those of you who know of my childhood illness and recent injury predicament will understand why it means so much to me.


The Brace
James E. Fowler

If I were the dungeon master,
this would seem so common.
Chromed steel and leather, locked
compliance from your passive limb.

No smile on my face. For it is the will
of God that makes you call to angels
in pain and frustration, as this archaic
apparatus forces you to perform.

And perform you will, straight legged
to all that life demands. But secretly
you will know this is no torture,
but shaping of spirit, the way of Job.

Lucifer's perfect man, until he asked
"Why me?" and God said,"Because."





James E. Fowler
All rights reserved
© 2001

MaryPage
January 17, 2001 - 03:35 pm
Jim, that is a lovely gift from you to Mal. What a truly empathic soul you possess!

annafair
January 17, 2001 - 06:03 pm
Mal it is hard to respond to both your feelings and Jim's poem....I am touched by both ...anna in Va

JTB8817
January 18, 2001 - 12:53 pm
Divine Relation


When William died, his friends all grieved,
But soon to their surprise
They saw him stir and breathe again
And open wide his eyes.


"I've been to Heaven," William said,
His voice now loud and clear;
"God checked my record carefully,
Then sent me back down here


"To tend the sick, assist the weak,
Bring help to those in need,
Make manifest to all God's love
Through every word and deed."


His friends all marveled and exclaimed,
"It's great to have you back!
But tell us, what's God like?" . . . He smiled,
"Well, first of all . . . She's black!"


jtb

MaryPage
January 18, 2001 - 04:51 pm
LOVE IT! LOVE IT! LOVE IT!

CharlieW
January 19, 2001 - 06:45 pm
My hands did numb to beauty
as they reached into Death and tightened!

RIP Gregory Corso


Charlie

betty gregory
January 20, 2001 - 12:27 am
A favorite last line of a long NY Times tribute paid to Patrick O'Brian at his death last year was (and he was quoting another), "I won't say that I broke down and cried when I heard of his death, but I won't say that I didn't."

I'm terrible with quotes. Does anyone know the original author?

Johann McCrackin
January 20, 2001 - 08:48 pm
Malryn, I don't usually stop here but clicked on the banner at the bottom of the page tonight. I saw the poem to you from James Fowler and just want to say what a beautiful tribute it is to you and how moved I was by his thoughts of you!

I loved the other poems, too, and Whittier was always one of my favorite poets. I think he's the one who said,

"I know not where His islands lift
Their fronded palms in air,
I only know we cannot drift
Beyond His love and care.

MaryPage
January 21, 2001 - 08:10 pm
This was e-mailed to me today, and I love it. Does not say who wrote it, unfortunately, but put down anonymous for now!

Grandma's Shoes

 
When I was very little, the grandmas that I knew 
All walked around this world in ugly grandma shoes. 


 
You know the ones I speak of, those black clunky-heeled kind. 
They looked so very ghastly that it weighed upon my mind. 


 
For I knew when I became that old I'd have to wear those shoes. 
I'd think of that from time to time, it seemed like such bad news. 


 
I never was a rebel, I wore saddle shoes to school, 
And next came ballerinas, then the sandals, pretty cool! 


 
Along came spikes, with pointy toes.  Then platforms, very tall. 
As each new fashion came along, I wore them, one and all. 


 
But always, in the distance, looming in my future there 
Was that awful pair of ugly shoes, the kind that grandmas wear. 


 
Eventually I got married, and then became a Mom! 
Our kids grew up, and left home when their children came along. 


 
I knew I was a grandma, and the time was drawing near 
When those clunky, black, old lace-up shoes was what I'd have to wear. 


 
How would I do my gardening, or take my morning hike? 
I could not even THINK about how I would ride my bike! 


 
But fashions keep evolving, and one day I realized 
The shape of things yet to come was changing right before my eyes. 


 
Now when I go out shopping, what I see fills me with glee! 
For in my jeans and Reeboks, I'm as comfy as can be! 


 
I look at all these teenage girls, and there upon THEIR feet 
Are black and clunky Grandma Shoes!  They really think they're neat! 

Lorne
January 22, 2001 - 03:57 am

JimVA
January 23, 2001 - 12:30 pm
To Betty Gregory's earlier query here: "Who was author of this one-line cite in NY Times eulogy to Patrick O'Brian: "And I will not say that I cried at his death, but I will not say that I did not."

As a dedicated O'Brian fan, this question peaked my curiosity so I re-read that NY Times 1/17/2000 eulogy by David Mamet today at my public library on microfiche. I truly think that the cite was David Mamet's thoughts about fictional Bondon's (not author O'Brian's) death.

Let me cite some of Mamet's eulogy, and then add my own reasons for my above conclusions. In the eulogy, Mamet is describing himself as being at home admiring O'Brian's sea novels. His wife suggests he write to O'Brian..."How wonderful to be alive when he is also alive; imagine if one were living in 1890s and could converse with Sir Conan Doyle." So David further mused:

Well, I saw myself talking with Patrick O'Brian. "Sir," I would have said, "what a blow the death of Barret Bondon. Sir, I've read your Aubrey-Maturin series 3 or 4 times now. Your minor characters are especially dear to me: the mad Awkward Davis; Mrs Fielding, the inexpert spy; old Mr Herapath, the cowardly Boston Loyalist; Christy-Palliere, the gallant French sea captain; and of course, Barret Bondon, Captain Aubrey's coxswain." And I will not say that I cried at his death, but I will not say that I did not.
In last line above, please note Mamet's placement of end quotation mark. This may not have been as visible on NY Times' printed page as it is on my microfiche. But last sentence is outside his "what he'd have said" thoughts. So I truly believe Mamet's last sentence above was his "aside" about fictional Bondon's (not about O'Brian's) death.

What IS sure is that after a couple more "Sir, I might have said's," Mamet's eulogy continues:

"So I sat at the breakfast table composing my note, and leafed through the newspaper, and read of Patrick O'Brian's death."
Accordingly, I feel that the cite you liked a lot (as do I) was Mamet's alone. But hey, I'm always wrong half the time; so maybe others here will chime in and convince us differently.

CharlieW
January 23, 2001 - 01:57 pm
The Humble Genre Novel, Sometimes Full of Genius

Ginny
January 23, 2001 - 03:09 pm
Gosh I can't believe you're discussing Mamet in here, he's fabulous, did you see Glengary Glen Ross? He has a new one on Broadway now, I believe, but have not seen it.

Wow fabulous discussion going on here, maybe we should open a Mamet discussion.

ginny

CharlieW
January 23, 2001 - 04:04 pm
Speaking of Mamet and root canals - we were, weren''t we? - wy wife manages a large dental practice and he's one of their patients...along with the Dalai Lama...


Charlie

JimVA
January 24, 2001 - 12:39 pm
Well, our discussion here was Patrick O'Brian, our question being who wrote that neat thought expressed in his NY Times eulogy a year ago.

But David Mamet wrote that O'Brian eulogy. So our discussion sure does include Mamet. I hadn't heard of him; but after Ginny's applause here, I decided it worthwhile to find out more. That wasn't hard. Mamet's been a prolific playwright, screenwriter, writer. Contemporary Writers gives him 8 pages, to date!

Titles of many of his plays and movies are recognizable. And his articles have appeared in over 40 periodicals/newspapers. In 1977 at age 30 he married actress Lindsay Crouse (now divorced); and in 1991 married actress Rebecca Pidgeon. Lindsay's movie roles 1977-1996 include a 1984 AA Nomination for "Places of the Heart." I'm not up on Rebecca's acting credits; but if she has any of Walter Pidgeon's genes...!

There's even a "David Mamet Society" with newsletters. And this won't compare with Contemporary Authors' 8 pages about him, but here's a website easier to Click here for lots of info about David Mamet (rhymes with Hamlet).

JimVA
January 28, 2001 - 12:12 pm
The Passing of the Backhouse

When memory keeps me company and moves to smiles or tears;
A weather-beaten object looms throughout the mist of years.
Behind the house and barn it stood, a half a mile or more--
And hurrying feet a path had made, straight for its swinging door.

Its architecture was a type of simple classic art,
But in the tragedy of life it played a leading part.
And oft the passing traveler drove slow and heaved a sigh
To see the modest hired girl slip out with glances shy.

We had our posy garden that the women loved so well,
I loved it too but, better still, I loved the stronger smell
That filled the evening breezes so full of homely cheer,
And told the night-o'ertaken tramp that human life was near.

On lazy August afternoons it made a little bower,
Delightful, where my grandsire sat and whiled away an hour.
For there the summer mornings, its very cares entwined,
And berry bushes reddened in the steaming soil behind.

All day fat spiders spun their webs to catch the buzzing flies
That flitted to and from the house where Ma was baking pies,
And once a swarm of hornets bold had built a palace there,
And stung my unsuspecting aunt--I must not tell you where.

The father took a flaming pole--that was a happy day,
He nearly burned the building down, but the hornets left to stay.
When summer bloom began to fade and winter to carouse,
We banked the little building with a heap of hemlock boughs.

And when the crust was on the snow, and the sullen skies were gray,
In sooth, the building was no place where one could wish to stay.
We did our duties promptly, there one purpose swayed our mind,
We tarried not, nor lingered long on what we left behind.

The torture of that icy seat would make a Spartan sob,
For needs must scrape the gooseflesh with a lacerating cob,
That from a frost-encrusted nail was suspended by a string--
My father was a frugal man and wasted not a thing.

When Grandpa had to "go out back" and make his morning call,
We'd bundle up the dear old man with a muffler and a shawl,
I knew the hole on which he sat--'twas padded all around,
And once I dared to sit there--'twas all too wide I found.

My loins were all too little, and I jack-knifed there to stay;
They had to come and pry me out, or I'd have passed away.
Then Father said ambition was a thing that boys should shun,
And I must use the children's hole till childhood days are done.

And still I marvel at the craft that cut those holes so true;
The baby hole, and the slender hole that fitted sister Sue;
The dear old country landmark; I've tramped around a bit,
And in the lap of luxury, my lot has been to sit.

But ere I die I'll eat the fruit of trees I robbed of yore,
Then see the shanty where my name is carved upon the door.
I ween the old familiar smell will soothe my faded soul,
I'm now a man, but nonetheless, I'll try the children's hole.

- A public-domain poem by "Anonymous." Once attributed
to James Whitcomb Riley, it being similar to his style and era.
But in 1997 the JWR Society announced that it wasn't his.

MaryPage
January 28, 2001 - 12:31 pm
Takes me back! My grandmother had one of those back behind the garden. She would not get rid of it; hated leaving her gardening during the day to go "up the house." When she died in 1962, my aunt just could not WAIT to get rid of it. She thought it hurt our "image." Ha! I loved that place on a warm spring day. An old fashioned lilac, taller than the outhouse, filled the whole back of the little building. There was a good sized window at the top of the door (This was a classy outhouse. My Grandma and Uncle and I never could see what my aunt was in a tizzy about.), and I could read a Nancy Drew mystery with no one calling me to do something else. We did not use corn cobs. During WWII we actually had pages torn out of the Sears catalog attached to a black iron hook over on the front, right hand wall. There was a box full of lime underneath this, with a small black metal shovel in it. I mean, we were color-coordinated, we were! After WWII, we had rolls of soft toilet paper down there once more. Softer, as I recall, than they were prior to WWII. I could hear bees buzzing in the lilac and, in summer, in Grandma's flower garden in front of my little haven, but they never got into my space. Thanks for the memories!

Phyll
January 28, 2001 - 02:07 pm
Jim, I read and re-read the poem and got a huge kick out of it.

MaryPage, Your Grandma's house and outhouse must have been in the classy part of town! My grandparent's outhouse was down at the end of the path---no lovely garden, no lilac bush, no co-ordinated color scheme---couldn't hear the bees over the sound of the steam engines down in the MKT train yard----and EVERY Halloween some bunch of wiseacre kids tipped it over!!!

annafair
January 29, 2001 - 07:47 pm
Thanks to everyone for keeping this place alive,,,I dont know about what is going around where you live but in our area we have been keeping the doctor's busy with ear infections, coughs that keep you awake and exhaust you, low grade fevers, etc I dont know if there is such a word as hellacious but that is the kind of winter I have been having! Mine has been with me since Xmas and I am still not well. My classes at the local U start tomorrow but I did not sign up for any as I dont have the energy to even think about going. That is enough.. I love all the comments and the poems...many of my relatives lived on farms and had priveys...in fact a couple of years ago I wrote a poem about them called The Privey on the Hill ...not nearly as good or as amusing as yours Jim and not as elegant as your grandmothers Mary Page but like you I loved to use it ..it was some distance from the house and I left the door open and loved the view of the Ozark hills...especially in early morn when the moon, a white ghost still showed in the sky and the sun warming the sky with rosy banners. I have fond memories of the time I spent there and wonder what my children will remember when they are my age?

I am improved, at least I am not as bad as I was but will be glad when the coughing subsides and sleep will be deep and healing.

Books and reading have taken a back seat to sleeping ...but you all keep posting and sharing and I hope I will too..very soon

love from anna in Va

JimVA
January 30, 2001 - 03:13 pm
Someone has emailed me below poem in like vein as my earlier "Passing of the Backhouse" post here. You who didn't have to daily depend on this rural wonder, be thankful!

"The Little House Behind The House"

One of my bygone recollections,
As I recall the days of yore.
Is the little house, behind the house,
With the crescent over the door.

'Twas a place to sit and ponder
With your head bowed down low;
Knowing that you wouldn't be there,
If you didn't have to go.

Ours was a three-holer,
With a size for every one.
You left there feeling better,
After your usual job was done.

You had to make these frequent trips,
Whether snow, rain, sleet, or fog,
To the little house where you usually
Found the Sears-Roebuck catalog.

Oft times in dead of winter,
The seat was covered with snow.
'Twas then with much reluctance,
To the little house you'd go.

With a swish you'd clear the seat,
Bend low, with dreadful fear.
You'd blink your eyes and grit your teeth
As you settled on your rear.

I recall the day Granddad,
Who stayed with us one summer,
Made a trip to the shanty
Which proved to be a hummer.

'Twas the same day my Dad
Finished painting the kitchen green.
He'd just cleaned up the mess he's made
With rags and gasoline.

He tossed the rags in the shanty hole
And went on his usual way,
Not knowing that by doing so,
He would eventually rue the day.

Now Granddad had an urgent call,
I never will forget!
This trip he made to the little house
Lingers in my memory yet.

He sat down on the shanty seat,
With both feet on the floor.
Then filled his pipe with tobacco
And struck a match on the outhouse door.

After the Tobacco began to glow,
He slowly raised his rear:
Tossed flaming match in the open hole,
With not a sign of fear.

The Blast that followed, I am sure,
Was heard for miles around;
and left poor grandpa
Just sitting on the ground.

The smoldering pipe was still in his mouth,
His suspenders he held tight;
The celebrated three-holer
Was blown clear out of sight.

When we asked him what had happened,
His answer I'll never forget.
He thought it must be something
That he had recently et!

Next day we had a new one,
Which my Dad built with ease.
With a sign on the entrance door
Which read: No Smoking, Please!

Now that's the end of the story,
With memories of long ago,
Of the little house behind the house
Where we went when we had to go!

annafair
January 30, 2001 - 08:05 pm
Jim I have always felt laughter was better than penicillin...and since I am allergic to penicillin I rely on laughter a lot..Someone once said I had a rather ribald sense of humor I blame that on my Irish ancestors..but it was a funny one and believe me I can use some laughter...the weather here is supposed to remain in the 50's and 60's until next week HOORAY HOORAY

anna in Va

Malryn (Mal)
January 31, 2001 - 10:13 am
Valentine's Day is coming, so I thought I'd post this poem.

Words That Can Never Be Said

I love you. I did love you. I have loved you.
I will love you.
As long as there is time
and when there is nothing left of it.
Passionately, wildly, tenderly,
angrily, coldly, desperately.
Laughingly.
With ardor, with tenderness
With all the heat of my heart
and the fire of my brain.
With fear,
With joy, with sadness,
With the vitality of youth
and the quiet waiting of age.
With compassion
With everything.
With no hope
of being close to you.
Or ever seeing the other
half of me.
Or saying words I want to say
with lips
Whose only desire is
to kiss you.




Hold you
with arms that can grasp nothing now
Or ever will hold anything
except my imagination.
But then,
in my imagination
I can run
and wish and wish and wish.
No wishes for me.
No dreams
No hope
of reality.
Only words and words
and words and words
Which never, ever will be
spoken aloud
or quietly.
But which are there
for more than this,
our eternity.




Marilyn Freeman
All rights reserved
© 2001

MaryPage
January 31, 2001 - 01:45 pm
Oh, Mal. Stunning! love, mp

Phyll
February 1, 2001 - 06:16 am
Mal,

Such a beautiful poem. It says so much of sadness and longing for a love that is gone but still there. Lost and yet, not lost.

Thank you for sharing it.

3kings
February 4, 2001 - 12:24 am
MAL. That is a truly beautiful poem. You are a person with great talent. Thankyou. -- Trevor.

JimVA
February 5, 2001 - 02:55 pm
My forgetter's getting better
But my rememberer is broke.
To you that may seem funny
But to me that is no joke.

For when I'm "here" I'm wondering
If I really should be "there";
And when I try to think it through,
I haven't got a prayer!

Oft times I walk into a room,
Say "what am I here for?"
I wrack my brain, but all in vain
A zero is my score.

At times I put something away
Where it is safe; but, Gee!
The person it is safest from
Generally is me.

When shopping I may see someone,
Say "Hi" and have a chat,
But when that person walks away
I ask myself, "Who was that?"

Yes, my forgetter's getting better
While my rememberer is broke,
So it's driving me plumb crazy
And that isn't any joke.

Can YOU relate? (I can't remember who I've sent this to.)

annafair
February 9, 2001 - 07:01 pm
I read your poem the last time I came in but was so touched I couldnt really say anything. You have a great talent and reach the depths of a feeling..thank you so much sharing your words and your spirit..anna in Va who is still under the weather . AUGH

Phyll
February 10, 2001 - 08:43 am
Anna, that you are still feeling "poorly". Maybe now that it is beginning to show signs of spring your health will improve. I certainly hope so! Maybe these few lines of poetry will help.

"The play of shine and shade on the trees as the supple boughs wag,
The delight alone or in the rush of the streets, or along the fields and hill-sides,
The feeling of health, the full-noon trill, the song of me rising from bed and meeting the sun.

WALT WHITMAN (1819-1892)
SONG OF MYSELF

annafair
March 9, 2001 - 05:57 am
Here I am back and at last better. It took another round of antibiotics to get me on the road to recovery. AT LONG LAST my energy is returning. And yesterday I saw a robin in my yard. I have one setback though my computer is not working..this is an old one that is slower and not as fancy ..however all of my addresses are on the other one . I can recieve messages on this one so if you have written me in the past please do so again so I will have your address on this fuddy duddy..goes to show some old things are better than the new fangled ones.. Please if you check in leave a message..anna in Virginia

MaryPage
March 9, 2001 - 07:02 am
HURRAH FOR ANNA! So happy you are well! Was so worried!

Phyll
March 9, 2001 - 07:08 am
I have thought about you so often and am really happy that you are feeling better.

annafair
March 16, 2001 - 01:01 pm
I know that is supposed to be June but it is spring here in Virginia. My plum tree is glorious. The daffodils have given me sunshine both indoors and out. The swordmen, guardians of my iris are announcing that soon THE EMPRESSES WILL BE HERE. Today the Bradford Pear is everywhere. Each tree like a bouquet to charm.Everything is greening up and besides the robins I see everywhere the birds that flew south to avoid the worst winter in 50 years are now at my bird feeders.

To make life perfect it would be great to come here tomorrow and see someone has shared a poem or two or three. I know it has been a bad year for some of us. Colder weather than usual, viruses both human and computer wise have weighed us down.

Still my heart and spirit are cheered. My computer is back in fine working order without a lot of costly repair. HOORAY Now folks I hope you are reading and not posting and are just waiting for an invitation to share some of your favorite poems, original are welcome as well as ones from your favorite poet. Or just one you remember.

Be if good cheer ..anna in Virginia

Phyll
March 17, 2001 - 07:10 am
 
THOUGH WARBLERS HAVE NOT CALLED - Princess Shikishi (ca. 1150-1201)


Though warblers have not called, in the sound of cascades pouring down the rocks spring is heard.


WAITING FOR RAIN ON THE ROOF - Otagaki Rengetsu (1791-1875)


Random thoughts and loneliness trouble me but I am soothed by the anticipation of cherry blossoms and spring rain falling on my hut.



These poems, among many others, I found on a beautiful site. http://150.252.8.92/www/iawm/pages/idio/poetry.html

Glad you are back, Anna.

JTB8817
March 18, 2001 - 05:20 pm
Spring Has Sprung

Yea, Spring has sprung, at last, at last,
There's perfume in the air,
Bright daffodils come bursting forth,
Blithe buds sprout everywhere.

Glad robins ferret out fresh worms
Sufficient for their needs,
Impatient eager plants emerge
From hibernating seeds.

Wee butterflies and bees cavort,
Old Winter's on the run,
Forgotten all the cold and gloom
What with the warming sun.

Now Mother Nature's treasure-trove
Delights both old and young
As once again we cry, "Rejoice,
Rejoice for Spring has sprung!"

jtb

annafair
March 18, 2001 - 06:26 pm
How wonderful to come by and see some greetings and some poetry. PHYL thanks so much for the poems and the site. Since I am coming out of a winter full of dark, cold days and a virus that just wouldnt leave those bits are ones I can relate to. They say it better than I but I surely understand.

JTB now you have captured my feelings well too. I do rejoice and REJOICE and REJOICE..and robins are everywhere. I must say they are busy listening for worms and feasting when they are found. However where ever they have wintered they did not starve. The robins here are as sassy and plump as can be..almost obese!

Keep sharing your poems. This is your place and it is good to see and hear from you. Anna in Va

MaryPage
March 24, 2001 - 09:25 am
Spring is here. The burden of Winter has left. The heaviness, the fears, All the fears of yesterday, Gone with the budding, Done with the weeping, Flown with the years.

Hope and loveliness abound!

annafair
March 24, 2001 - 02:52 pm
Thanks for that ..did you ever notice the word SPRING sounds light and lovely ..Winter has another ring ...a heaviness ...just thinking..anna in VA

FrancyLou
March 24, 2001 - 10:19 pm
When an old lady died in the geriatric ward a small hospital near Dundee, Scotland, they felt that she had nothing left of any value. Later, when the nurses were going through her meager possessions, they found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff that copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital. One nurse took her copy to Ireland. The old lady's sole bequest to posterity has since appeared in the Christmas edition of the News Magazine of the North Ireland Association for Mental Health. This little old Scottish lady, with nothing left to give to the world, is now the authors of this "anonymous" poem winging across the Internet. Goes to show that we all leave "SOME footprints in time" . . .






AN OLD LADY'S POEM


What do you see, nurses, what do you see?
What are you thinking when you're looking at me?
A crabby old woman, not very wise,
Uncertain of habit, with faraway eyes?
Who dribbles her food and makes no reply
When you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try!"
Who seems not to notice the things that you do,
And forever is losing a stocking or shoe. . .
Who, resisting or not, lets you do as you will,
With bathing and feeding, the long day to fill....
Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see?
Then open your eyes, nurse; you're not looking at me.



I'll tell you who I am as I sit here so still,
As I do at your bidding, as I eat at your will.
I'm a small child of ten ...with a father and mother,
Brothers and sisters, who love one another.
A young girl of sixteen, with wings on her feet,
Dreaming that soon now a lover she'll meet.
A bride soon at twenty -- my heart gives a leap,
Remembering the vows that I promised to keep.
At twenty-five now, I have young of my own,
Who need me to guide in a secure happy home.
A woman of thirty, my young now grown fast,
Bound to each other with ties that should last.
At forty, my young sons have grown and are gone,
But my man's beside me to see I don't mourn.
At fifty once more, babies play round my knee,
Again we know children, my loved one and me.



Dark days are upon me, my husband is dead;
I look at the future, I shudder with dread.
For my young are all rearing young of their own,
And I think of the years and the love that I've known.
I'm now an old woman ...and nature is cruel;
'Tis jest to make old age look like a fool.
The body, it crumbles, grace and vigor depart,
There is now a stone where I once had a heart.
But inside this old carcass a young girl still dwells,
And now and again my battered heart swells.
I remember the joys, I remember the pain,
And I'm loving and living life over again.
I think of the years ....all too few, gone too fast,
And accept the stark fact that nothing can last.
So open your eyes, nurses, open and see,
Not a crabby old woman; look closer . . .see ME!

FrancyLou
March 25, 2001 - 03:07 am
The Spring Within My Soul ! by Dot Wilson

We have city water, and at times it tastes like chlorine. So we keep spring water to drink.

There's a spring about seven miles or so from our home, this morning we went to get some fresh water!

My husband got out of the pick-up and was getting the water, when this poem came to me.

THE SPRING WITHIN MY SOUL

Seeing the water flow through the pipe, out of a mountain tall. I sit and look, until it reminds me, of the fountain in us all.

I felt a little blue, when we came, but watching the water flow, makes me think of my Savior, and the way His love does show.

He fills my cup with gladness, just thinking of His love. And the promise of the future, in our sweet home above!

After what He gave for me, dying on that day, and then - rising on the third day, so I could be saved from sin!

If my heart is my cup, then I guess, body, mind and soul would be, let's see, what's bigger than a cup? I guess a bucket, yes, that's me!

His wonderful love fills my heart, like a cup filled to the brim. All through my mind goes the thought, How will ever thank Him?

Then knowing my heart, He tells me, "My child, My heart really knows! See the water, run into the bucket?" and watching, my own overflows!

Ginny
March 25, 2001 - 07:39 am
Francy Lou, that is the most moving poem about the Old Lady I ever saw. I wish I had seen it a couple of years ago.

Thank you for that.

ginny

annafair
March 25, 2001 - 08:38 am
If anyone can read the poem written by the elderly lady and not shed a tear they have a harder heart than I ...My mother and many of my friends mothers spent the last days of their lives in nursing homes. Their last illnesses left the familys no choice and they were visited by family often, daily if possible. EVERY person who cares for an elderly person should have a copy displayed where they and those who care for them see it daily. Thanks for sharing with us...and if I have missed earlier postings from you I apologize and welcome you to our corner...anna in Va

FrancyLou
March 25, 2001 - 12:31 pm
Anna, I usually just lurk... but had to share the "Old Lady" poem.

annafair
March 25, 2001 - 01:59 pm
You are a good lurker but please leave a line or two so we know you are there..just to say hello from one friend to another..anna in VA

Lorne
March 25, 2001 - 02:03 pm

Lorne
March 25, 2001 - 02:13 pm

FrancyLou
March 25, 2001 - 03:47 pm
I also sent it all over the world!

I have been to Nursing Homes, as a Cub Scout leader, as a daughter in law sort of, my sisters father in law, as a cousin, as a friend, as a friend of a friend. I understand a lot more now that I am older, I wish I would have known more to be able to help them all.

annafair
March 27, 2001 - 07:38 pm
Good for you sharing that poem or any other you read here. I appreciate the ability to converse through this medium with people all over the world. So if you are stopping by leave us your calling card so we know where you are and what you enjoy in the way of poetry. I long for some quiet hours to read some of my books of poetry but they dont seem to be found in a twenty four hour a day ,.at least not recently...Perhaps we could request a longer day ... anna in Va who welcomes all who visit here ..stop and stay awhile and I will make tea and some of my famous cookies...share your favorite poems

Lorne
March 27, 2001 - 08:43 pm
I can't remember what the poem was, anyone got any ideas. I recall I heard it in the early 30's ???. Could it be from Scotland ???.

FrancyLou
March 27, 2001 - 10:54 pm
Found this on: http://www.expage.com/bluebellspoem

Star
Pinpoints, dazzling in the sky,
Overhead with clouds they fly.
Who can dare to touch the star,
when nobeast living can travel so far?


High above us, smiling down,
ever smiling, never a frown,
twinkling brightly, looking at me,
as though they see something that I cannot see.


Sparkling, glistening, spinning with the earth,
until the dawn of a new day's birth,
wait here stars, stay here, with me,
tell me of the things you see.


Running before the lightening sky,
soaring over,
they say goodbye.
Never to appear in day, when the shadows fall away.


I'll wait then stars, beneath this sky.
Where clouds of white soar bright and high,
come see me stars, ere time wends on its way,
come see me stars, tis the end of the day.


And this site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/poetry/audio.shtml Nothing on it about bluebells. Sorry I was not more help! Francy

FrancyLou
March 28, 2001 - 01:08 am
I found this in Music: www.fastdesign.com/music/scot/bluebell.htm

Scottish Traditional MIDI Music,with lyrics and Poetry by fastdesign.com

Background Music: “The Bluebells Of Scotland” Traditional Scottish

Lyrics





"The Bluebells Of Scotland" Traditional Scottish

"The Bluebells Of Scotland" Traditional Scottish





Oh where, tell me where is your highland laddie gone? Oh where, tell me where is your highland laddie gone? He's gone with streaming banners where noble deeds are done And it's oh! in my heart I wish him safe at home. Oh where, tell me where did your highland laddie dwell? Oh where, tell me where did your highland laddie dwell? He dwelt in bonnie Scotland where bloom the sweet bluebells And it's oh! in my heart I rue my laddie well.

Oh what, tell me what if your highland lad be slain? Oh what, tell me what if your highland lad be slain? Oh no, true love will be his guide and bring him safe again For it's oh! my heart would break if my highland lad were slain.

Lorne
March 29, 2001 - 07:30 pm
That was what I was thinking of. Loved that song , I was mistaken and thought it was a poem.

FrancyLou
March 30, 2001 - 12:54 am
I had fun looking for it! It is beautiful.

3kings
April 12, 2001 - 03:12 am
This is Hone Tuwhare’s view of a Disciple’s remembrance of that first Easter.He called it

A DISCIPLE DREAMS

Iwalked with Him--
and when He spoke my eyes
opened to strange happenings
and I looked down into the gasping mouths
of fishes with eyes like round
black bread and tails quivering as
silvered wine that had not been darkened
by His blood. . . .

Yet did I see Him squinting at the sky
in the manner of men
born to the sea :
and I knew a deep dread for I saw
a wrathful army on black steeds, massing . . . .

Miraculous how my fears were laid :
and calmly did He bid us all
to eat of the blessed food
and straitway knelt me down
to partake of His bounty.

And so it was that in the midst of feasting
and thanksgiving the storm fell upon us
with a fury that no one could quell : the wind tore
futile protestations from His lips
and the seas threshed
and lightning shattered the loaves
and little fishes
and the heavens spat venom on the faces
of those whose meatless arms were thin armour
to the pitiless rain :
my rage grew to the topmost wave---
and I awoke engulfed in tears
my fists beating the floor of my
stone room

Malryn (Mal)
April 15, 2001 - 08:33 pm
A wonderful and powerful poem, Trevor.

Mal

annafair
May 3, 2001 - 03:07 am
I am here but I cant say why it has been so long. Oh I could give you a dozen reasons but it just seems life has been too full of many things ..mostly mundane and not interesting to any but myself. I do thank those that posted and hope there were many who just peeked in to see what was going on. The Bluebells of Scotland...I loved that song and have forgotten it so I am pleased to see it here and I sang it in my mind. Trevor it was good to see you again and you always post powerful poems that reach deep within the reader. Thanks I wont promise to be better and I offered to turn this over to someone else, but I was complimented and understood so I guess you are stuck with me. anna in Virginia who was lost but now is found.

MaryPage
May 3, 2001 - 04:00 am
So very grateful to hear that good news! Have missed you, Anna!

Phyll
May 3, 2001 - 09:13 am
We all go "walk-about" once in a while.

annafair
May 6, 2001 - 07:58 pm
I havent read much lately myself although my books of poetry are all over the house and certainly available. I have written some of my own but most are rather sad so I wouldnt share them but having planted tomatoes this year and anticipating them I found a poem I wrote a few years ago when someone gave me a dozen home grown and vine ripened ones so I will share that with you...

Dining Divine

restaurants in France

offer cuisine sublime

choice tidbits fines herbes

embellish the mundane

make them fine

today on my deck

in regal splendor I dine

fresh made home baked bread

sweet cream butter

tomatoes sunripe from the vine

anna alexander 7/28/97 all rights reserved .

annafair
May 6, 2001 - 08:06 pm
I forgot how to post a poem

MaryPage
May 7, 2001 - 07:23 am
Great, Anna!

I have one fault to find with it!

it makes my mouth water & my stomach yearn!

FrancyLou
May 10, 2001 - 04:38 am
ODE TO HEALING SPRING

She skips capriciously on sodden paths, her glance aware of winter's grizzled smirk. With arms flung wide in welcome hug, she laughs in warm abandon, quickly gets to work.

She sponges branches, cleans their crusted eyes, infuses leaves with measured drops of light. She kneels to soothe the huddled saplings' cries and gently bathes their welts from winter's bite.

Her fingers swirl in charismatic surge to bandage roots, massage the aching soil. With midwife skills she helps new shoots emerge - their flourished blooms a tribute to her toil.

We bow to every season's trumpet call but Spring's the only healer of them all.

-- Laryalee Fraser <l e e f r a s e r i s @ h o m e . c o m>

MaryPage
May 10, 2001 - 06:29 am
Oh! Lovely!

annafair
May 10, 2001 - 07:02 pm
Thanks so much for that ode to Spring It just lifts my spirits to read the words...after a cold and bleak winter where I stayed indoors as much as possible Spring has been spectacular and I am feeling healed ..so your poem expresses my feelings very well. Mary Page's comment can be repeated thrice.. Lovely lovely Lovely ...anna in VA

3kings
May 12, 2001 - 03:40 pm
I contrast that "Ode to Spring", above, with Annafair's comments made back in last Northern Fall. It is late Autumn here now, and I wonder why the lengthening shadows at the day's end should arouse in me such feelings of melancholy. The late afternoon shadows are no longer than they are at any other season. Yet the emotions they stir in me are quite different now, than in the summer. I wonder why this is so?--Trevor

annafair
May 12, 2001 - 09:35 pm
It is so good to see you. As my world is full of spring, with my rose bushes burdened with blooms, the regal iris nearly gone, the tomatoe plants growing it is hard to believe that autumn is where you are. Autumn was always my favorite time of the year but since my husbands death it seems too poignant and sad. Strange as he died Mar 25th'94 and spring had arrived early that year. It was glorious but there is a sadness now I feel only in autumn. Was reading an article about how seasons affect us and there is a true change in our bodies blood in each season so we are affected by the lack or abundance of sunlight.I suppose we should be thankful it is normal.I will think of your autumn and send you thoughts of spring and longer days, skies full of blue and lovely summer days. Hold that thought for you may need to send it back when Autumn arrives here. anna in Virginia where we had a wonderful thunderstorm with lots and lots of welcome rain this evening.

annafair
May 12, 2001 - 09:47 pm
Although I am not reading others poetry right now I am writing some of my own. A few nights ago as I exited my home I noticed the traces of a slugs journey on my steps. I dont know if anyone ever wrote a poem about a slug but my head was full of thoughts and here they are.

It is unnamed as I couldnt come up with a title I liked...

A slug is like a homeless snail
no roof to cover it when caught in rain
nor shade it from the heated sun
not welcome by man
stepped upon despised
still its passage is marked
by opalescent trails
it leaves a map of its
quest for a place to call its own
in the light of the sun
or bright puddles
from the incandescent bulb
you can follow its random path
in glimmers of its own
life blood.


anna alexander 5/11/01 all rights reserved

MaryPage
May 13, 2001 - 07:09 am
Happy Mothers' Day, Anna! What a marvelous poetic soul you possess! love from marypage

3kings
May 15, 2001 - 03:04 am
ANNA It is clear you think deeply about the lowliest of the creatures that share this world with us. You think rationally about them, but allow your thoughts to be tinged with wonder, and emotion as well. I liked your poem about the slug, and its relative the snail.-- Trevor

annafair
May 16, 2001 - 12:14 am
I am sitting here thinking how to say what I feel about your kind remarks. MaryPage I have met in person, a lovely bright spirit whose aura is full of happiness and that makes me treasure her compliment. Trevor your spirit is strong and full of appreciation of poetry. You have shown that in the poems you love and have shared with us.My spirit is elevated by your praise. Poetry is something I have always enjoyed but until my husbands death I never took the time to put my own thoughts and feelings into words. With my children grown and married suddenly my time was my own and my first poems were about my loss. My grief poems. I know how far I have come when I can turn my thoughts to the world around me and SEE it with new eyes. I write for myself first and only share with those who have allowed the world to peek into thier hearts and souls as you, MaryPage and others who cherish poems. Thank you both for your kind words. At past three am it makes my dark night full of light...anna

Mrs. Watson
May 16, 2001 - 08:16 pm
Anna: What a beautiful thing, you have shared something very intimate with us. I shall never look at a slug the same way again (even the disgusting banana slug!) That is what a poem is to me--an exalted description of something which I have always classed as mundane. And it is also that feeling of sharing an intimacy with the author that hooks me. It is a synergy--the author exposing a secret part of his/her vision, arousing a corresponding plucking of my own most intimate self. Thanks to all who poe!

rustymac
May 17, 2001 - 03:48 pm
From: rcdudleymc@worldnet.att.net

Just Thinking

For long we lived, and long we sought For that we knew, and then forgot; For love we kept, a love which wept, Of many we met, and can't forget;

For our love and life, and a love forlorn, Of war and strife, where might was born, Of those of old. whose lives were gold, Of those we knew, who now grow old.

For the thoughts we had, glad and sad, The ages spent, the lives we lent, In bitter times, in bitter climes, Of times so tense, of life intense;

For those who fought, and those who sought To winnow truth, and now would soothe A new birth of thoughts, soon forgot; Those thoughts we sought, and now seek not.

For the anguished dying, of those lying Within the tent of discontent-- May a love be born, for these lives forlorn, For the lean and thin, might have been.

rustymac

MaryPage
May 17, 2001 - 04:16 pm
Reminds me of WWII and the lads from home who never came back again. So poignant.

nippermac
May 26, 2001 - 12:00 pm
Ireland

Erin is the Emerald Isle, Green her serpentine hills, Irish is her tempestuous smile, Tumultuous all her rills.

Ireland--a scene of divided views, A place of orange and green, A hot pot of religious stews. Dividing scenery serene.

Separating the wrong from right, Only our God can do. Separation of scene and sight, Only mankind can brew.

Wearing of the Green

Let the leaves be green, Orange paint the flower, But let the green be seen Above William's power.

Let the brown leaves go braw, And let the limbs go bare. Let the brown choke the craw Of Orange, where they fare.

Brown the scene Green has seen, Orange, Sir William's power, Ashes and salt for wounds From Ireland's lowest hour.

The wearing of the Green Salutes Saint Paddy's hour. The shamrock shall be seen As Ireland's finest flower.



The Day Is Dead

The day is dead, And in my bed The fruits of love are lying. The moon is up, But in my cup, All the day's events are flying.

The night is warm And thoughts do swarm Of the living and the dying. My love's abed Beside my head, So its to her, I'll be flying,

Before the brain Can split in twain Love's sweet song and sighing. Man must retain Love's sweet refrain, Else our love will see a dying.

Nature's Ways

Mother Nature carries no mould To cast the new from the old. Each to himself must hold A distinctness bold;

Must be unlike and free Of others, independently. So each of us is roll'd From some uncommonly old,

Different human mould. Each must forever hold An individuality. Each in actuality,

Nature, is meant to be Ever and always free Of meddling entities Of an uneasy sanity.

nippermac

redvanlady
June 1, 2001 - 09:46 am
Why do I have so much trouble getting to Poets Press #2? Sometimes I get it with check subscriptions and sometimes not....what am I doing wrong? Those guys over there are really amusing with their "skits" in rhyme...rvl

bobba
June 3, 2001 - 12:22 pm
Hi everybody!

Look at my Poetry in my site. My own write poems

Lill http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-42318

robert b. iadeluca
July 3, 2001 - 04:05 am
In the discussison group, Democracy in America, we continue to look out across America and observe this nation of ours. As we look at art in America, we are currently discussing POETRY. You are cordially invited to click onto DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA and share your thoughts with us.

Robby

annafair
July 9, 2001 - 02:09 am
It is good to see some have posted in my absence and I hope we had some lurkers who will post. I tried to post a note earlier but I think the net was busy and it was so slow I nearly fell asleep waiting for every word to record and then it didnt. I was able to send emails to all the new people and hope they will return and share with us. I wont go into a list of reasons but sometimes one has to be away for awhile so you can return. Here in Newport News we have a new area going up It will be called Port Warwick after Styrons book about this city and the developer asked the author to name the streets. He chose literary stars and among them were several poets. Emily Dickenson is one and I dont have the article in front of me but let me see Walt Whitman was another. He admired the poets and so do I ..so let us hear from you ..share your favorites ones...and the poem that means something special to you..and yes if you are your favorite poet that is okay too. anna from Va

MaryPage
July 9, 2001 - 04:28 am
Anna, hoping you are feeling as up to par as your cheery voice indicates.

One of my secret desires has been to be able to name the streets in a subdivision. So I made a fantasy, skipping the subdivision, and made a whole village. My streets are named for famous imaginery streets: Easy Street, Lover's Lane, Primrose Path, Yellow Brick Road, Mulberry Street, Baker Street (not really imaginery, but sort of), and so on and on. I had a lovely time with it, family members pitching in, until I got all the streets named!

Not poetry, but saying hello here. You want poetry?

 
Some people like the heat of July. 
 WHY? 
love from marypage

annafair
July 9, 2001 - 06:25 am
Ha my sentiments exactly...I am not a hot weather person but then I am not a cold weather person either! I hope that being a moderate person doesnt mean I am dull! anna from VA

patwest
July 9, 2001 - 06:34 am
Good to see you back, Annafair.. Looking forward to seeing you again in November.. I think I'm coming more to visit with the Bookies.. than I am coming to see Washington.

annafair
July 13, 2001 - 01:09 am
Cleaning house for the arrival of my two grands the last week of this month and I UNCOVERED a lot of my books of poetry. Took a moment that stretched to an hour at least and enjoyed reading some. Have no particular ones to share but the authors ranged from Frost to Shelley etc ...my local poetry group has accepted my invitation to resume our monthly meetings starting in Sept. We meet at 11 am and share our poems and then each person brings a sandwich and something to drink and I make a dessert each month. It is a wonderful group ..I have a large dining table and room for 12 comfortably sometimes we have to squeeze in a few more. Tomorrow I am going to pick a poem from one of my books and post it...hope you are all well and enjoying life...smiles from anna in Va

MaryPage
July 13, 2001 - 05:26 am
 
Fed the birds, fed the ducks 
Snipped off dead geraniums 
Ain't watered yet, all worn out 
I sure hope it rainiums..................

annafair
July 13, 2001 - 05:52 am
You are such a bright spot in any one's day. That is funny and so cheerful. Thanks for making me smile. It is early and I havent checked my poetry books out still exhausted from CLEANING ...of course if I did it on a regular basis I wouldnt have this problem. See you later ..smiles across the miles from anna in VA

FrancyLou
July 15, 2001 - 01:09 am
Bev's Poems & ICQ Greetings
http://www.kimbanet.com/~gusler/mypoems.htm

Found this today... hope you enjoy. Francy

annafair
July 20, 2001 - 12:48 am
I did find a poem that I memorized years ago. I think I mentioned it a LONG TIME ago but had the wrong title. It was The Vision of Sir Launfel by James Russell Lowell. Once I knew the whole poem by memory and now the verse that begins with What is so rare as a day in June is the only verse I can recite without help. This was in a little leather bound book I bought back in '58 called 101 Favorite Poems. For the most part they are favorites. I even discovered one by Edgar Guest who was published daily ? in the St Louis Globe Democrat when I was growing up. It was on the editorial page if my memory serves me right. When I read it now I have to laugh as I can believe every English teacher must have cringed at his using mispelled words to tell his tale. Example shadder for shadow ...I can see when I read it I automatically change it to the right spelling. So many of the poems I memorized..Did I do it because it was an assigned task or because I loved the lilt, the words rhythm. My children never memorized any poems as far as I know. While I love any poetry I wonder if it is like modern lyrics. I can never remember lyrics that are recent even while I enjoy the music. Yet whole songs from my past come to me without hesitation. They rhyme and make sense in a way many of today's lyrics do not. Just thinking ...smiles across the miles from anna in Virginia

MaryPage
July 20, 2001 - 06:52 am
 
JeanLock 
probably in a frock 
Coming to see 
me 
today. 
Hurrah!


 
As you may guess 
I'll not wear a dress 
We'll do the shoppes 
Until we droppes 
And then, how droll 
A lobster roll 
At Middleton Tavern 
A huge old cavern 
From 1750. 
Ain't that nifty!


 
Then out to sea 
What we can see 
Aboard a boat 
We trust will float.

annafair
July 20, 2001 - 09:05 am
Here's hoping the weather is fine and all the shops have sales and the boat floats and you wont need coats..smiles across the bay from Anna in Va

MaryPage
July 20, 2001 - 03:58 pm
 
Jean came down to the Bay with Alice 
Took a tour of my new palace 
And a park called Quiet Waters 
Then met one of my granddaughters 
Looked at hats, and then a cape 
She wanted so bad around the nape 
Of her neck, she all but drooled. 
With a breeze from the Bay, we were cooled. 
Lobster was eaten, followed by ice cream 
But a cruise on a boat was not those girls' dream. 
We walked and talked, we talked and walked 
'Til our feet gave out, and Jeannie balked. 
Refreshed at Starbucks, we then took a tour 
Of the Naval Academy, my heart was pure 
And I drove them through there, out of the sun. 
Hope they come back, there's much we've not done!

Johann McCrackin
July 20, 2001 - 08:05 pm
Neat poetry, Mary Page! Good to see you, too, Annafair!

jeanlock
July 21, 2001 - 06:55 am
At MaryPage's insistence, I've been forced to acknowledge your existence:

Immediately (almost) upon arriving home from a day with MaryPage--

Has rather gone to her head. Little beau Jean
Is nice and clean
and putting her tired bones to bed
A day on the bay
with companions so fey
Has rather gone to her head.

Upon arising--

A gracious hostess whose energy surpasses her age--
For a good time in Annapolis, Call Mary Page.

And our companion, Alice McKinney, will dictate her contribution this afternoon

MaryPage
July 21, 2001 - 12:05 pm
GROAN!

betty gregory
July 21, 2001 - 03:30 pm
What was that number, again, for a good time in Annapolis? And it was spray-painted where?

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MaryPage, loved the line "going out to sea" with double meaning. Very cool.

annafair
July 22, 2001 - 03:37 am
You have done it!!! Entertained with your poetry ...Mary Page have you offered your services to the Annapolis Chamber of Commerce? and I must admit had I eaten lobster AND ice cream I dont think I would hav wanted a boat ride either.

Johann good to see you too! Hope your Life Long Learning group is offering something more interesting than ours this year. I guess Myrtle Beach is too far to commute!

Betty MaryPage has it imprinted on her tee shirt..

Off I go to church..There are several people whose names I will not mention here that I need to pray for.

smiles across the miles...anna

jeanlock
July 22, 2001 - 02:52 pm
Annafair--

You mentioned Edgar Guest. Did you ever hear the poems by --I think-- Ted Malone? He used to read them on the radio, and it was one of the very few books I was able to buy in high school. Even took it to college.

His stuff was very sentimental, but there was one I'll never forget. Of course, I can't remember the complete poem, but it was written as tho to a lover, bemoaning the fact that the 'relationship (as we say today)--don't know just what words he used-- was over.

But, after several verses about the sadness of its being over, and reminiscing about thoughts while "bending over you", it ended with,

"Old ironing board, your day is done
I'll have to buy another one."

I'll have to see if the internet has ever heard of him.

Now, for Alice's rhyming summary of our Annapolis visit--

"Once upon a lovely Friday
Jean and Alice braved the highway.

To understand the reason why
Mary had left us high and dry.

But MaryPage found happiness
in the town of Annapolis.

Annapolis, not less, no, never
this town upon the river Sever(n).

Has nuch to offer all the time
So, as I ponder how to rhyme
It's almost midnight, not too late
This visit to commemorate.

So Mary, thanks, I love the way
You organized our happy day.

Come visit US, but do not wait
We're anxious to reciprocate.

Alice McKinney

jeanlock
July 22, 2001 - 03:00 pm
Annafair--

My first poem(?)was messed up. Things seem to go kerflooey when I try to arrange the text.

So, mentally remove the first part of the first sentence.

Johann McCrackin
July 22, 2001 - 07:37 pm
Jeanlock, I have several (about 3 books) of Ted Malone's poetry that I bought in my late teens. I took them to college and sometimes on a pretty afternoon I would go to the University Arboretum and read them. They were very sentimental, as you said. I'll have to check them out again.

jeanlock
July 23, 2001 - 08:36 am
Johann--

I envy you. I'm thinking of trolling the net to see if I can find at least one.

It's nice to meet a kindred soul.

annafair
July 23, 2001 - 08:38 pm
Looked in my little book to see if he was listed but no. The name doesnt strike a bell with me but will look through some of my anthologies of poems and see if he might be there. Do you remember the title to any of his poems?

It is interesting Jean and Johann that you read sentimental poems as it is something I still enjoy doing. There are times when I feel so sad and have no reason to be sad and only a woman perhaps will understand this I need to have a good cry. When that happens I sit down and read Eugene Fields Little Boy Blue or and I dont recall the name something called Somebody's Darling, a Civil War poem.

Will check out your poet and see what he writes about... was just peeking in my little book and realized how many poems I knew by heart years ago. Even now a first line will stir my memory and I find I do recall the poem. It is like finding an old friend. Poetry has inspired me, comforted me, challenged me,dared me, made me laugh and reminded me that life is worth living. Just knowing that other souls at some time shared my concerns, my love, my faith and expressed them so well gives my spirit a lift.. thinking of all of you ..and sending smiles across the miles to each ....anna

jeanlock
July 24, 2001 - 07:08 am
Annafair--

Ted Malone was on the radio.

As a child, I saw a short feature at the movies dramatizing (they read the poem while acting out the story) of Little Boy Blue. Cried and cried, and get tears in my eyes when I just think of it. So sad.

jeanlock
July 24, 2001 - 07:09 am
More thoughts on Annapolis with MaryPage--

Up one street, and down t'other
Soon wore out this old grandmother.

jeanlock
July 24, 2001 - 08:02 am
Johann--

Did a search (alltheweb.com) on Ted Malone, and turned up a copy of Ted Malone's Scrapbook. I do believe that's the one I had. Anyway, I ordered it (14.95) and anticipate a great read on a rainy day. Wow!!!

Also turned up a site called Radio Archives. They are preserving audio tapes of old time radio shows. And they use volunteers. They send you a tape, and you 'proof' it.

http://www.radioarchives.org/About%20Us.htm

MaryPage
July 24, 2001 - 08:49 am
I remember that show! Very smaltzy, but I have always been rather smaltzy, and I loved the poetry. He read poetry bee-yew-tee-flee.

In fact, it seems to me there were always violins playing when he read it, and I truly believe that is where my generation got the habit of making motions of playing a violin every time someone was really pulling at the heart strings and making the tear ducts gush.

annafair
July 24, 2001 - 09:17 am
I dont remember him do any of you recall what time of the day? Of course we only had one radio for 8 of us so I guess we didnt have a lot of choice as to what we listened to. My father was a fan of The Lone Ranger and after he became ill you could hear it half way down the street on a warm day.

I dont recall any poetry reading on the air until I lived in Nashville in the 60's when there was a late night show where the reader (male) read poetry. It was as MaryPage said rather smaltzy ..since a lot of it was love poems I avoided listening to it when my husband was away as they made me weep instead I watched Jack Paar on TV who had a show one time that was so funny I fell off of the sofa laughing.

Take care all of you ...read a poem a day..or even two..anna

MaryPage
July 24, 2001 - 09:40 am
I seem to recall it was around lunch time.

Oh, Jack Paar made ME stay up and laugh, too! Never watched the late shows after him. The kids were finally allowing me to get some SLEEP!

Jerry Jennings
July 24, 2001 - 01:44 pm
During the war Ted Malone had a radio broadcast. I think it was from London, but not sure (No, it was not Murrow). He was one of my favorites. Then, during the 50s, he had a radio broadcast where he read poetry, and other stuff I think.

jeanlock
July 24, 2001 - 01:55 pm
I tend to think Ted Malone was around lunch time. Also Kate Smith about the same time. I would have heard him pre-1944 at which time I left for college.

Just got confirmation that the book is on the way. What a treat to look forward to.

Can't get a copy of Katharine Graham's book either hard cover or paperback for love nor money. Guess they will have to do a reprint.

Johann McCrackin
July 24, 2001 - 08:18 pm
I never heard Ted Malone on the radio, Annafair, but his books are anthologies of the poems of others, not necessarily famous writers, and they really spoke to that generation (including me, I guess ) I'm glad you managed to find one, Jean. I have four books of his: "Adventures in Poetry", "An American Album of Poetry", "Scrapbook", and "Between the Bookends, Vol. V"

annafair
July 25, 2001 - 03:39 am
Now you have piqued my curiosity and will have to see if the library has any of his books or like Jean I will buy one. Last night I came across another anthology of poems gathered by someone whose last name is Alexander. I am house cleaning which is why I am discovering all of these books. They have been gathering dust for a long time along with some silverfish and the jackets where I couldnt see look like paper doilies.

Today my two grandchildren arrive so I dont think I will have time to visit here for a few days. Everyone have a great weekend and READ those poems. smiles across the miles..anna

MaryPage
July 25, 2001 - 08:36 am
I bought Katherine Graham's book when it first came out.

Okay, I found it! It is a FIRST EDITION!

jeanlock
July 25, 2001 - 11:15 am
Johann--

The one I'm getting is Scrapbook. And that's the one I had before. Wouldn't it be a riot if it turned out to be my original?

jeanlock
July 25, 2001 - 11:16 am
About the Katharine Graham book--

Amazon says 4 - 6 weeks, so I just cancelled it. Borders says they can order it. But I'm betting everyone got cleaned out the day she died. I'll just have to wait a while, I guess. Should probably have bought it in the first place, but I felt it was too much at the time. Even more so now that I've quit working.

jeanlock
July 25, 2001 - 11:17 am
About the Katharine Graham book--

Amazon says 4 - 6 weeks, so I just cancelled it. Borders says they can order it. But I'm betting everyone got cleaned out the day she died. I'll just have to wait a while, I guess. Should probably have bought it in the first place, but I felt it was too much at the time. Even more so now that I've quit working.

Incidentally, the place I bought the Malone book pays the postage for 2-3 day delivery. The book itself was 14.95.

annafair
July 25, 2001 - 05:48 pm
Where did you buy the Malone book>???I think I would like to have one so I can compare notes...

My grands have arrived and already I have had to take a nap.

anna in Va who loves her grandchildren ...most of the time

jeanlock
July 26, 2001 - 08:10 am
Annafair--

I'll send you the URL later. It is a used book place, and that was the only copy they had. I'll look it up later.

JimVA
July 28, 2001 - 12:58 pm
These lyrics surely can't still under copyright? I've been seeking this song for 40+ years now. I "came of age" to it at an early-1950s mid-Missouri drive-in theatre.

And I've just lucked onto hearing it being aired as a "late-July filler" between "Lum n Abner" and "Gunsmoke" on a nearby radio station's weekly "4 hours of Old Radio" timeslot.

What stuck most in my memory all these years was its poignant phrase: "Romance...runs high; the last two weeks in July."



It's just a lazy summer night...
There's not a moving thing in sight...
It's all so quite; no riot...
When even in the thicket, Mr Cricket's slowin' down.



It's such a lazy summer night...
An inspiration point is right...
For fancy dreamin'; and seemin';
To just relax and run away from town.



Hey take a look at all those other cars;
They're parked here, just like ours...
To count...the stars above...
It seems...we're not alone...
I guess I should have known...
Romance...runs high; the last two weeks in July.



It's just a lazy summer night...
Tonight the fireflies will light...
The way for lovers...for lovers like us...to love...
It's such a lazy summer night.



Ah, me! Was that really almost 50 years ago? Egads!

jeanlock
July 28, 2001 - 02:04 pm
Annafair--

The Ted Malone collection came yesterday. I opened it immediately, sat down on the hassock, and started to browse through it. Finally had to stop because with the tears in my eyes I couldn't read the recipe for dinner. What memories those poems bring back. They may be corny, but they reflect my emotions. When I think that I read these at the age of 17-18, when I didn't know a darn thing about "LIFE", and they touched me then. How much more effect they have now that I have learned at first hand about "LIFE".

The one called "Death wears a coat of many colors" by Philip Butcher, on p. 28 (Ted Malone's Scrapbook") always got to me. And it still does.

There's another one I will type out for here because I found it so 'on-target' for today.

Title: Requiem for Privacy

Sing a dirge and toll the bell.
Old Privacy is dead and gone to hell.
He so long a faithful guard
of the bath and obstetrical ward.

Now we can barge right in;
We shall not intrude.
Why indecent to see a person nude?
Now public embracing at home or fraternity parlors;
Never change position, be oblivious to callers.

Now little Sally Prim and Junior may know
Just where, when and why they started to grow.
Let them know how the tiny seed was planted.
Theirs to know; let every wish be granted.
When Sally and Junior are a bit older grown
and want to see
Pop and Mom's anatomy
Let them be shown.

I do admit that some still have a fit
And believe that love-making in theater, movie or show
Has something to do with the status quo.

But I say,
Sing a song and toll the bell.
Old Privacy is dead and gone to hell.

By: Faye Nixon Speer

I'm sure that one went right over my head at 17. But it sure pertains to today!

Do you think that 50 years from now, someone will write about life beginning in a petri dish?

The place that I got the book is Bamboo Trading Co.,

www.bambootrading.com

contact@bambootrading.com

Johann McCrackin
July 28, 2001 - 08:39 pm
Jeanlock, I had the same experience. I pulled mine out the other night and was reading some that I had marked in the books when I was 18 or 19 and I still like them. The poetry had a simple, everyday ring to it and I hadn't realized how much the style had affected my own poetry that I have written. You are right - some of the emotions they express bring you tears. I'll have to find one that I liked and post it.

annafair
July 28, 2001 - 09:24 pm
It is good to stop by and see your posts and your sharing. For me all was new. Jim that is not a song I am familiar with but the lyrics are great and the mention of drive in movie theaters does ring a bell. I remember going with a group to a cememtary that was located ABOVE a drive in theater and watching the movie...The sound was loud enough we could hear it as well. We only did that a couple of times ..not because we were broke but it seemed a daring thing to do.

My oldest daughter says there is a used book place near her in Charlottesville and I am going to ask her to call and see if they have any of Ted Malone's ...Jean wow that poet was ahead of his time...I hope no one writes about petri dishes...

Johann and Jean will look forward to your sharing more of your favorite poems and Jim your favorite lyrics are welcome too. You might even share one I remember!

This is one tired Nana so I am going to go to bed. Smiles and thanks ...anna

jeanlock
July 29, 2001 - 06:30 am
Annafair--

Glad you enjoyed the selection. Later today I'll post the one about the ironing board.

To me, this is the greatest thing about seniornet--I can mention something that has meant a lot to me over the years, and nearly always find someone else who remembers the same thing-- and maybe even had the same reaction.

Mention it to the folks I see every day, and all I get is a blank stare that makes me feel like the ancient history I probably am.

annafair
July 29, 2001 - 08:34 pm
Your comments made me smile...my children at last appreciate my past but my grandchildren think I speak in an alien tongue..OLDFOLKESE! A delicious thought ..one day they will be me and their grandchildren will think the same! Have a poem I wrote yesterday and am sharing it with you ...anna



can it be? summer is nearly gone? the dog days of August are upon us and Autumn waits to sing her song the day light hours are less morning arrives a bit later and evening comes to soon spring green leaves have deepened now heavy their darker brow throws a dusky shadow upon the grass aged lawn hidden in the dogwood bough berries of bitter green wait the cool of autumn to bring forth their scarlet gowns each day ancient leaves of gold whisper their last good-byes and flutter to the ground there is no joy in their passing though I welcome cooler days nights beneath cold etched stars my soul prepares to slumber like bulbs beneath the ground tentatively it hopes in spring it will awaken among the verdant grass in Eden's hallowed ground

anna alexander 7/28/01 © >pre

MaryPage
July 30, 2001 - 05:52 am
Lovely, Anna! Thank you.

jeanlock
July 30, 2001 - 09:04 am
Annafair--

A lovely poem. I sure wish I could think in such terms.

annafair
August 1, 2001 - 08:08 am


In September my oldest will be fifty years young. I say that because at 38 she became legally blind from being exposed to the fungus histoplasmosis that occurs naturally in the soil when she was young. In the beginning she was a bit bitter but her natural resilency brought her out and she has been writing , doing a newspaper column , being President of the Woman's Club ( another member aids her) organizing a number of activities for her community and has friends who take her everywhere when her husband cant. She uses something called ZOOM text on her computer and has magnifying lamps everywhere including one in her purse to read menus, prices etc . I wanted to write a poem for her. This is the one I wrote.


Fresh from your bath In a terry towel I sniff the fragrance Of your velvet skin You sneeze as the powder Sifts down to keep you dry I tickle you a bit And am rewarded with your smile I think before I put on your gown How silken is your baby skin Softly covered with the finest down You are velvet to my touch Years will come and change all that Skin will age and crease Wrinkles will announce Passage of time But I want you to know Whenever I touch your face Give you a hearty hug I remember you were velvet When you were young.

anna alexander 7/22/01 © >pre

FaithP
August 1, 2001 - 07:30 pm
Now Annafair you have made me cry. I am always emotional about babies and I could feel my own youngest daughter in that poem.(She is also 50 this year) It goes pretty fast doesn't this process called life. Faith

annafair
August 1, 2001 - 07:55 pm
Thank you for responding the way you did ..I cried when I wrote it because my memory of her when she was a baby was so keen.

Time does pass too quickly although I recall when she was 11 and we had three other children all under five I felt overwhelmed and there were days when I wondered if we would all make it.

But now they are grown and I remember fondly My Forever Day ...a day I wrote a story about..a winter day when everyone got to stay home because of a snow storm. When the day was over just before I went to sleep I told my husband if I could live one day over for the rest of my life it would be this day.

From one mother to another I send you Hugs...anna

MaryPage
August 2, 2001 - 06:12 am
What a coincidence! My daughter Anne will be 50 on the 5th of November this year!

We knew there was NO WAY we could all get together for her real birthday, November 5 being a Monday and some of the family being in Missouri and only able to come summertimes. Also, the Maryland groups range from Ocean City to St. Mary's City, and everyone works. So we surprised her last Saturday. She thought the all-family gathering was just our usual summer get together at the time her sister Becky would be here from Missouri. Well, it was. But we surprised her in late afternoon with THREE birthday cakes, lots of presents, some silly, and a hoot of a skit by her 3 sisters and 2 brothers. Dear Lord, they were funny! I have a copy of what they did, and here it is: All.... ANNE IS A SWIFTY WE ALL THINK SHE'S NIFTY Just Chip & Bob, looking in at the 3 girls: DID ANYONE SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BEING FIFTY? All ............ LET'S GIVE A CHEER Becky ........... FROM FAR AWAY Debi ........... AND VERY NEAR All ............. TO OUR VERY OLDEST SISTER HEAR! HEAR! Joyce/Debi/Becky .......... GIVE ME AN A Bob and Chip ............. GIVE ME AN N Joyce/Debi/Becky ......... GIVE ME ANOTHER N All ....................... GIVE ME AN E ANNE! ANNE! ANNE! ALWAYS FIRST! ALWAYS OUR LEADER! AND ALWAYS THERE WHEN WE NEED HER! WE UNDERSTAND ANNE'S FEELING IFFY OVER CROSSING INTO FIFTY SO WE'RE OFFERING HER THIS CHOICE GET IN LINE HERE BEHIND JOYCE WE'LL ALL SWEAR YOU ARE THE YOUNG ONE INDEED, YOU'LL BE THE JUST BEGUN ONE! YOU WILL NOW BE THIRTY-FOUR WHO COULD POSSIBLY ASK FOR MORE?

I know, I know. It does not seem hilarious here, but it was for all of us. Imagine 5 people in their late thirties and forties doing this at the top of their lungs and with much gesturing and mugging. Joyce is 36, and the youngest.

p.s. My present was a new book that is out titled: A FIFTH OF NOVEMBER

annafair
August 2, 2001 - 07:52 am
Seems I keep deleting my messages.//I asked you MP if we could use your idea for my daughters birthday with appropiate changes.AND I said it sounded perfect!

If you dont mind perhaps her sister, brothers and friends who plan on surprising her could rework that for my daughter. It sounds jolly and funny and I didnt need to be there to appreciate the effort.

We are surprising her on Sept 22 even though her birthday is the 11th..she is busy on the other weekends Since she is legally blind we are all giving her what she really wants..Photographs of ourselves at least 8x10 and in a frame so she can hang them in the hallway going upstairs. She wants to be able to look at the people she loves without using a magnifying glass and feels it will make her day to see us every time she goes up and down the stairs. Even her friends are doing this for her. While I wont stay overnight some of the family will. We are going to meet at the cafe in Ruckersville for lunch. She knows I will be there but not that the others will be there. Cant wait to see her face!

..anna

MaryPage
August 2, 2001 - 01:41 pm
It is yours to do with as you please, Dear Anna! Hope she laughs as hard as Our Annie did!

And perhaps, way after the party is over, she will weep as hard as Anne said she did, with Joy, remembering her brothers and sisters there cutting up for her.

annafair
August 7, 2001 - 09:35 pm
I have had reason lately to be reminded of his small poem by Emily .//
 If I can keep one heart from breaking, 
      I shall not live in vain: 
      If I can ease one life the aching, 
      Or cool one pain, 
      Or help one fainting robin  
      Unto his nest again, 
      I shall not live in vain. 

MaryPage
August 8, 2001 - 09:57 am
exquisite

jeanlock
August 8, 2001 - 11:42 am
Annafair--

Emily is a favorite of mine--

Would you be interested in a book I have around here somewhere, I think, --it's a mystery story set in her home. It's not a period thing but completely current. I enjoyed it a lot. Just found it in a 2nd hand store somewhere. I'll see if I can find it.

MaryPage
August 8, 2001 - 01:00 pm
Oh, I remember that one, Jean!

annafair
August 8, 2001 - 06:37 pm
Jean you touch my "weak spot" a mystery, in Emily's home and it is current..YES YES I would love to have it ...Perhaps you can just give it to my daughter there or bring it to our Wherever Tea...thank you so much for thinking of me...anna

jeanlock
August 9, 2001 - 02:53 pm
Annafair--

First, I must locate it. And I'll save it for the Tea Party. When? Where?

MaryPage
August 9, 2001 - 03:29 pm
Who? What?

Just kidding! Couldn't resist!

You know that old saying: "Never criticize anyone until you've walked a mile in their shoes."

Well, of course! After that, you're a mile away and YOU have their shoes!

Barbara St. Aubrey
August 14, 2001 - 02:23 pm
I think I'll share - I've been playine with words again for about a year - I used to play with words and dreamscapes when I was a teen-ager - then I wrote mostly about the sky as it looked in different seasons, how it made me feel and being young with a great devotion to Mary the analogies her dress and spirit were heavy to the point of boring. But it put me in my own little world and I loved it.

Here is one I wrote for my daughter's birthday May 1 when she turned 47. That week, they had just purchased the land in a small mountain community near the border of North Carolina and South Carolina. She was so delighted to be looking forward to building their home in this small town amid nature.
Kathamarie for your Birthday

Her heart in middle age found the Way.
She came to dwell at the foot of this mountain.
When the spirit moves, she wanders alone
Amid spring beauty bright with dew, ....
She walks till the water checks her path,
Then sits to watch the rising clouds --
Enter her courtyard, enclosure of spring....
She tries from her centre to count the flowers,
On her hairpin of jade a dragon-fly poises.

When the moonlight, reaching a tree by the gate,
Shows her a quiet bird on its nest,
She removes her jade hairpins and sits in the shadow
Puts out a flame where a moth was flying.
May 1, 2001


Yhis one I wrote for my grandboys after pulling an all nighter while I watched to see what would happen when a fawn was left in my backyard.

They left him there again
waiting on my lawn.

He listened, as I watched
while trying not to yawn.

His ears straight up,
my head withdrawn.

I ousted all the lights
and waited like the fawn

for buck or doe to claim this young
before the birds woke up the dawn.

The swell of future antlers
his arching head betray nubs spawn.

His neck lunged high.
The deer were drawn

to pulling off the branch’s
tender leaves that set their pawn.

In silhouette and shadow
they poised and twirled upon my lawn.


This one I did last winter
When will the river awaken spring thaw?
I ask the crystal moon
Pussy willows gleam gold near sun's turning sky
In the softness of their budding lore
Still along the frozen creek
Promise of spring release these stalks
Swaying dust, yellow catkins sigh.

When will I wash my mother's glass vase?
I dance with moon-lit shadow
My willow fluff hears pipes of pan
Veil yesterday's coffee stain, an antique vase,
Boots all muddy, socks soaked,
A child snaps a branch, a frog croaked
At the lake, promise in my daughter's hand.

Barbara St. Aubrey
August 14, 2001 - 02:57 pm
This is what I am working on now - yes a work in progress -

To the Chinese Jade symbolizes - All that is supremely excellent - Man in his growth to a union with what we would call God competes in a virtue with jade, the polished and brilliant, benevolent and compact. Jade represents purity, the sureness of our intellect. It gives off a prolonged clear note when struck. Iridencent as a rainbow it is likened to the heavens and always represents good fortune.

A dragonfly, like the butterfly, symbolizes immortality and regeneration, summer which is considered the season of the year that is instable and unreliable.

An Opal glows truth, fidelity, prayers and assurance.

Round is like the wheel in ceaseless change and becoming, round is the essential nature of existence. The absence of knowledge, the blindness of ingorance leading to death and suffering which leads to the rebirth of the spirit or the rebirth of the body.

Bamboo is graceful, constant, is yielding but with enduring strength, pliable. It represents longevity since it is always green and is one of the three friends of winter.

The flute symbolizes harmony.

Willow is an enchanted tree sacred to the Moon Goddess. The willow is both parting and spring. Further the willow-slowing song is a chinese expression for the end of ones mortal life with the awareness that nothing dies and whatever we believe happens to the soul is part of the song of the willow-slowing song. The Taoist believe we come back and back till we get it right.

A BAMBOO FLUTE FILLS A TAKEN NIGHT.



In what house, the bamboo flute
sends these dark notes drifting,
scattering on the summer wind
that fills a taken night?

In the shadowed grove that day
The bamboo softly swayed,
Whispering to the tangled weald,
Breath riding toward a mansion of jade.

At the edge, a dragonfly hovered
fluttered in the heavy air
Tending to the fearless season
Before the opal moon is round and bright.

From the heavens, high this night
the willow-slowing song,
Can’t help but long
for the summer gardens of home.

annafair
August 14, 2001 - 05:41 pm
Oh My what powerful poems you share. Thank you so much for opening your thoughts to us. I try to return here each day and hurt to find it bare. I ask where are the poets, where? Some of you have been lurking, please put forth your tendrils and let us see on what you are working.

Is it an old poem you recall? A new one you have found? Whatever, if just a few lines of half remembered sonnet, a thought you would share we will all be richer ...thanks again Barbara.

anna

3kings
August 15, 2001 - 01:07 pm
OK Anna. Here is one I like. I was reminded of it by this mornings radio speaking of a southerly blizzard we are having in New Zealand this week.

SEA CALL

Let the radio pip and shudder
at each dawn's news

Let the weatherman hint
a gaunt meaning to the chill
and ache of bone:
but when the new moon's bowl
is storing rain, the pull of time
and sea will cry to me
again

And I shall stuff my longing
in an empty pack
and hasten to the secret shore
where the land's curve lies
clad in vermilion--and the green
wind tugging gravely

There let the waves lave
pleasuring the body's senses :
and the sun's feet
shall twinkle and flex
to the sea-egg's needling
and the paua's stout kiss
shall drain a rock's heart
to the sandbar's booming.

( Hone Tuwhare)

annafair
August 15, 2001 - 03:24 pm
For someone who never learned to swim and grew up inland ...close to the Mississippi River to be truthful I have always been drawn to poems of the sea. I have no idea when I first read John Masefields "Sea Fever" but sometimes when things go bad I recite it out loud if no one is about and to myself if they are,..it comforts me in ways that are unexplainable and your poem does the same. I can see why you like it ..I have printed it out so I can read it when I need to feel free and clean and whole.. Thanks so much for sharing this ....and I am glad to see you with us again ........anna

MaryPage
August 16, 2001 - 06:03 am
 
I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky, 
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by, 
And the wheel's kick and the wind's song and the white sail's shaking, 
And a gray mist on the sea's face, and a gray dawn breaking. 


 
I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide 
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied; 
And all I ask is a windy day with the white coluds flying, 
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea gulls crying. 


 
I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life, 
To the gull's way and the whale's way where the wind's like a  
whetted knife; 
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, 
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick's over.

jeanlock
August 16, 2001 - 08:16 am
MaryPage--

Thank you for the Masefield. One of my all-time favorites.

Now, if someone could find for me the poem (I always thought by Longellow, but maybe not) that begins,

Are there any old men got mixed in with the boys?
If there is, show him out without making a noise.


And I think ends with something like,

Backward oh backward turn time in its flight
And make me a boy again, just for tonight.

That has been devilling me for months.

Barbara St. Aubrey
August 16, 2001 - 09:04 am
The Boys by: Oliver Wendell Holmes
HAS there any old fellow got mixed with the boys?
If there has, take him out, without making a noise.
Hang the Almanac's cheat and the Catalogue's spite!
Old Time is a liar! We're twenty to-night!

We're twenty! We're twenty! Who says we are more?
He's tipsy,-- young jackanapes!-- show him the door!
"Gray temples at twenty?"-- Yes ! white if we please;
Where the snow-flakes fall thickest there's nothing can freeze!

Was it snowing I spoke of? Excuse the mistake!
Look close,-- you will see not a sign of a flake!
We want some new garlands for those we have shed,--
And these are white roses in place of the red.

We've a trick, we young fellows, you may have been told,
Of talking (in public) as if we were old:--
That boy we call "Doctor," and this we call "Judge;"
It's a neat little fiction,-- of course it's all fudge.

That fellow's the "Speaker,"-- the one on the right;
"Mr. Mayor," my young one, how are you to-night?
That's our "Member of Congress," we say when we chaff;
There's the "Reverend" What's his name?-- don't make me laugh.

That boy with the grave mathematical look
Made believe he had written a wonderful book,
And the ROYAL SOCIETY thought it was true!
So they chose him right in; a good joke it was, too!

There's a boy, we pretend, with a three-decker brain,
That could harness a team with a logical chain;
When he spoke for our manhood in syllabled fire,
We called him "The Justice," but now he's "The Squire."

And there's a nice youngster of excellent pith,--
Fate tried to conceal him by naming him Smith;
But he shouted a song for the brave and the free,
Just read on his medal, "My country," "of thee!"

You hear that boy laughing?-- You think he's all fun;
But the angels laugh, too, at the good he has done;
The children laugh loud as they troop to his call,
And the poor man that knows him laughs loudest of all!

Yes, we're boys, --always playing with tongue or with pen,--
And I sometimes have asked,-- Shall we ever be men?
Shall we always be youthful, and laughing, and gay,
Till the last dear companion drops smiling away?

Then here's to our boyhood, its gold and its gray!
The stars of its winter, the dews of its May!
And when we have done with our life-lasting toys,
Dear Father, take care of thy children, THE BOYS!

Barbara St. Aubrey
August 16, 2001 - 09:23 am
Elizabeth (Akers) Allen. 1832–1911

Rock Me to Sleep


BACKWARD, turn backward, O Time, in your flight,
Make me a child again just for to-night!
Mother, come back from the echoless shore,
Take me again to your heart as of yore;
Kiss from my forehead the furrows of care,
Smooth the few silver threads out of my hair;
Over my slumbers your loving watch keep;—
Rock me to sleep, mother,—rock me to sleep!
The remainder of the song can be found at http://www.cathieryan.com/songs_Rock_Me_to_Sleep_Mother.html

annafair
August 16, 2001 - 10:39 am
MaryPage thanks so much for printing Sea Fever ...that is another thing we share!

Barbara the Holmes poem is new to me...it was funny and poignant at the same time. I understand those "boys" since I think I am 22. How shocked I am sometimes to see the "real" me in the mirror. I tell people I have magic mirrors..they only reflect who I think I am.

The song I have heard but would not have been able to put my finger on the title or connect it with Jean's request.. Good for you and thanks so much.

Some days my mind is full of remembered poetry ..ones I memorized. I dont think I had to because I am sure I would have forgotten them as soon as I passed an exam. Love of Country from the Lay of the Last Minstrel and What is so rare as a day in June from The Vision of Sir Launfel...they often ring in my ear as I recite them out loud..good for me no one hears except my dog...she thinks it it a bit strange for me to speak to air! Thanks to all for sharing .......smiles across the miles..I am off to the PO to mail a a long letter to an old friend..from my childhood. anna

jeanlock
August 16, 2001 - 11:01 am
Barbara if you just knew how much time I had spent both at the library and on the 'net trying to find that. How ever did I confuse the two poems? but I'm just tickled to death to finally get that itch scratch. Thanks again, so very much.

Somehow I sensed that our dedicated seniornetters would come up with the answer. Who needs an encyclopedia?

MaryPage
August 17, 2001 - 09:11 am
Jean, you cannot imagine how much comfort I take in your being confused over those poems and poets.

Stuff floats through my mind ALL THE TIME, and I get things mixed up JUST LIKE THAT!

But I am delighted, as well, that you thought of those lines and that Barbara found the Holmes poem, which I, too, was not familiar with. It is a grand poem and I have taken much Joy of it! love to you and thanks, mp

3kings
August 17, 2001 - 01:30 pm
I saw this posted in the Cafe and thought it very apt.

Chiding by: David Bates (1809-1870)

1

Reproach will seldom mend the young, 2 If they are left to need it; 3 The breath of love must stir the tongue, 4 If you would have them heed it. 5 How oft we see a child caressed 6 For little faults and failings, 7 Which should have been at first suppressed 8 To save the after railings! 9 If, when the heart would go astray, 10 You would the passion smother, 11 You must not tear the charm away, 12 But substitute another. 13 Thus it is pleasant to be led, 14 If he who leads will measure 15 The heart's affection by the head, 16 And make pursuit a pleasure.

jeanlock
August 18, 2001 - 01:07 pm
MaryPage--

Altho the lines about "make me a child again" have stayed in my mind, I do not recall ever hearing the rest of it. I was so sure the line was "make me a boy again, just for tonight" that I wonder if the teacher who read it to us might have made the original mistake and tacked it onto the Holmes poem?

jeanlock
August 18, 2001 - 01:13 pm
3kings--

That is a wonderful bit. And how very true it is. A pity that it isn't more widely known.

annafair
August 18, 2001 - 08:39 pm
Here I am between thunderstorms, lightning and rain ..LOTS OF RAIN...my dog is a yellow lab and I think she is mixed up since they are supposed to LOVE water...She refuses to go out when it is raining..Yes she will when she simply cant help it but when I open the door for her ..she backs off and looks at me as much to say "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!) Right now I am in between some stormy weathers so I have hoped to stop in and not hear a rumble of thunder...

Glad to see you all here and will check back when nice weather arrives...smiles across the miles..anna

annafair
September 1, 2001 - 03:07 am
While I have been waiting in vain for cooler weather Seniornet has been busy changing things around ..oh my ...and no cooler weather hasnt arrived yet although the weather forecast promises some north breezes and night temperatures in the 60's soon.

Some minor health problems have kept me away ..since there are no posts since my last one I hope you are all okay and not having problems. Except for the daily newspaper I havent read a thing since my last post either. I need to find a poem with some positive thoughts because the news in the paper and on TV is enough to give one indigestion.

Hope to see some of you back here when next I stop by. Smiles across the miles ..anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
September 5, 2001 - 01:04 am
Summer 2001

The fields were dry
dry and hard
bleached, stunted the color of Gulf sand.

The air was hot
hot and fierce
blowing blaring crystal specks of flat heat

The sky was blue
blue and wide
tumbling white thunderclouds up from the coast

The building was low
Low and spread
sides propped open drawing in every breeze

The sweat was sharp
sharp and bitter
courting brown wrinkles, stinging the eye

The eye was clear
clear and ready
gazing open, fixed on a liquid mirage

The hawk was high
high and grand
wheeling and gliding the thermals

The tree was shelter
shelter and shade
cooling cattle within its mark

The cricket was still
still and many
gorging gleaning gathering summer’s end

The lightening was rigid
rigid and striate
ripping rushing sheets of water swelling every creek

The summer sun was over a hundred
forty two days in a row
then, roads were closed the creeks ran high, nine inches of rain in an’hour.

annafair
September 6, 2001 - 07:57 am
Having lived in Texas many years ago during a drought I can say You have caught my memory of that time well. We left before the rains came but returned about six months later to find a lake that was empty and dry when we left brimming with water. It was hard to believe and I have watched the weather in Texas this year from the drought to the deluge. Thanks so much for posting ...anna

jeanlock
September 6, 2001 - 03:56 pm
Barbara--

That's a very evocative poem.

Barbara St. Aubrey
September 7, 2001 - 09:07 am
Thanks - can't always say what I see or feel - but I think it is called "Practice."

sigun sandström
September 9, 2001 - 12:58 pm
Hello from Sweden I Sigun and like to done poems and have trying translate some poems in english. And I send hir one of my poems hir. Writing

I can se shimme light and written done word. some bee to poetry I dream my long away like to be meditation. Writting can bee to some don't go away the life. Now I bee free from this dark time.

Poems are to young boy some have not good in the life (Mikael)

MaryPage
September 9, 2001 - 02:11 pm
I can see shimmering light And words written down Some in the form of poetry. In deep meditation, I dream Long hours away. Writing Down the anguish, I am free to return to my life.


Is this what you are saying in Swedish, Sigun? They are lovely thoughts; lovely poetry.

jeanlock
September 10, 2001 - 09:01 am
MaryPage--

How wonderful of you to take the trouble to do that!!

It's truly a lovely poem.

Mrs. Watson
September 10, 2001 - 04:08 pm
SeniorNet Folks are the best! Is any one else going to read Edna St Vincent Millay's bios? I'm going to re-read her poetry.

MaryPage
September 10, 2001 - 04:58 pm
You bet! I have the latest on my Christmas Wish list for my children!

annafair
September 12, 2001 - 02:38 am
MaryPage how kind of you to take the time to put Sigun's words into English. And as I read and re read it I thought how it could apply to today's awful events.

I am not sure writing down the anguish will allow us to return to life but I am going to use a quote from an email from my daughter sent to me at the end of this terrible day.

I posted it in democracy but I think it fits here as well.

"We cannot eliminate evil but we can dull the weapons it uses against us and refuse to let it deal mental blows to our spirit. If these terrorists thought to bring the free world to its knees it was sorely wrong. What it has done is bring us to our feet." by Roberta Alexander Carrier

anna

Mrs. Watson
September 12, 2001 - 05:53 am
What stirring words! WIth you permission, I will print this out and post it on our bulletin board at work. This deserves wider exposure. Thank you for letting us share it.

annafair
September 12, 2001 - 08:02 am
I apologize for accidently typing in the wrong word my daughter used. It was late and I was exhausted as I am sure most of you were as well from yesterdays events...where I have written "refuse to let it deal a mental blow to our spirit" she wrote "refuse to let it deal a mortal blow to our spirit" I had copied from her letter in pen and mis read it ...anna

Mrs. Watson
September 15, 2001 - 01:50 pm
"When he shall die, take him and cut him oaut in little stars, and he will make the face of heaven so fine that ll the world will be in love with night and pay no worship to the garish sun." Romeo and Juliet.

Barbara St. Aubrey
September 18, 2001 - 04:18 am
When nineteen Taliban, raised a tune of battle
To play and dance in death
The nineteen juggernaut pierced the tower’s rattle
The carrion smelled blood in the shock of each breath.

Al-Jihad in chase, the gazelle pursuing the stag
Steel stars of freedom embrace into a moribund bag.
Black ash flame lamenting, hell-hole gasping o’er the hills.
Colors pure, courage and brave, fading sorrowing trills.

MaryPage
September 18, 2001 - 08:56 am
Wonderful, Barbara! Truly, truly wonderful. Thank you.

Barbara St. Aubrey
September 21, 2001 - 01:03 am
The twilight of perfection
When all life’s peices are trussed,
A trembling insurrection
Cries freedom is loose but just.

The bastions of freedom cleft,
Minds rewired bewailing
They jumped, it fell, our grasp left.
Black and flame our core now shale.

In gloom the mustering stand
Beneath the void Tribunal.
Hallowed human caravan
Stunned still in their last gospel.

Have you seen, she’s just married,
Please help find this child’s father.
Water... buildings... air carried
Deaths noble message, murther!

Snake--wreath'd Alecto
And Megæra railing,
Howling Tisiphon
Evermore wailing.

Pictured on the TV screen
Fair of face her golden hair.
Seated in his favorite chair
The doleful tale stills his scream.

Lend your tears for my Maureen.
High to London she serves them well.
He rocks his muffled fear demeaned.
Whose God propels us from this Hell?

With vacant eyes he will look
Deep within, his faith, his rock.
For now all reason has forsook
Their shielded treasure sweet love locked.

Mrs. Watson
September 22, 2001 - 06:07 pm
Barbara: Your words create powerful images. Robert Haas, formerly Poet Luareate, was asked if he has started to write about That Day yet. He replied that he has to wait for things to work internally. He said, "Poetry is not like the sun, it is like the moon, it is relective". What a lovely image!

MaryPage
September 22, 2001 - 06:14 pm
Stand together Holding hands Across the nations Many lands.

Stand for life And love for all. Show the haters We stand tall.

annafair
October 6, 2001 - 03:09 am
I belong to the poetry society of Virginia and some of our society have addressed the terrible events of Sept 11 ...but I cannot. In fact I find myself blank in all areas. Noticing the changing of the seasons a few lines came to me but I could not finish them.

I am reminded of all the poets who have written about the various wars and I search for words that would express my horror and they are not there.

It is numbness that I feel. I knew no one there that day and yet it seems I knew them all. For the first time in my life I am truly lost for words.

I hope some who come here can speak for the them for they need our voices.

anna

Mrs. Watson
October 6, 2001 - 08:47 am
Anna: You are not alone. I am in such fog that higher thought is impossible. I will read a sentence, read it again, and still not know what it said. I'm writing everything down, for I cannot remember things for more than a few minutes. This is not the usual "senior moment" thing, it is a profound dinengagement of my mentation. I do know,however, that this, too, shall pass.

Phyll
October 6, 2001 - 08:54 am
We are all affected in different ways. I thought that I had pretty much gone back to my daily routine but find that I am still waking often in the night with those terrible pictures so vividly in my mind.

MaryPage
October 6, 2001 - 09:08 am
I want to know if any of the others of you feel split in half. One half of me still denies it happened. It was a big show Hollywood put on for us, this half says. It was not real, it does not compute, it is going to go away. I dreamed it up. I am just imagining this, or I have died and gone into a different dimension, and everything is okay back in my real world.

If you think, instead, that I am just plain and purely nuts, please be gentle while referring me to seeking help.

Mrs. Watson
October 6, 2001 - 06:05 pm
MaryPage: You are in denial. Not crazy, even a little bit. Sorry to disappoint you. This is a professional opinion, by the way. I am a clerk in Acute Psychiaric Services at our local county hospital, so I know crazy when I see it!

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 6, 2001 - 09:40 pm
MaryPage the real crazies are the ones in the terrorism discussion that I know you attempted to post among that are so one dimensionable and literal to the point of only surface thinking. Within their simplistic thinking they can only react like puppets running around saying the 'sky is falling' rather than owning the soul devistation of the fact that the sky did fall only it was so many unimaginable happenings all in one fell swath.

Seems to me attack, war, Ben laden, who, what, where, how we retaliate - is not the issue. The enormity of people using themselves as tools of distruction and taking so many with them is a shift in comprehesion, our understanding of the value of life and our understanding of humanity. Nothing makes sense and no recorded history allows us to understand this kind of suicide that brings this kind of distruction to so many innocents.

Fear has nothing to do with it any longer - it is more a question of what is our value - fodder for crazies? This is what the Jewish people must have been questioning in the camps.

MaryPage
October 7, 2001 - 05:48 am
Yes! Yes! They must have had an overwhelming sense of unreality. Much, much more personal and horrific than what I am experiencing here, but the bottom line the same: "This is not, can not, be happening!"

Phyll
October 7, 2001 - 06:48 am
It isn't just you, Mary Page. I talked to my son last night who lives just north of the WTC area and works just east of it in the financial district. He said that he still keeps looking for the twin towers and feels disoriented when he can't find them---as though not just that part of lower Manhattan skyline has changed but that ALL of the skyline of the city has changed--nothing looks as it should. He thinks he is coping with it and has gone back to his daily life but it sounds to me as if he still can't accept it either. Like so many of the rest of us.

annafair
October 8, 2001 - 06:10 am
I am relieved in some ways to find I am not alone. Yesterday the local paper ran several pages and pictures of poems written by local people. None published poets and several by young students. They were excellent and an effort to make sense of the events on Sept 11.

A grief counselor said that writing about this helps us recover. As I said in my earlier post I cant seem to find the words. She also said that most people put their grief in poetic form. Even those who usually write in prose. The poetic form helps them to get in touch with feelings they cannot express in prose.

Like MaryPage I feel splintered. Part of me wishes to go ahead and do all the things I should be doing. The other part just wants to sit in a corner and hug myself and weep. Weeping is something I havent been able to do. My tears are frozen and I feel clogged with grief.

Last night I watched for about 30 minutes the pictures of the attack on the terrorists. I felt no gladness or joy but a sadness so deep that there are no words in me. My one thought was the events of Sept 11 was real. There are people in the world willing to die to kill thousands of innocent people, willing to orphan thousands of children and throw as many into a pit of deep sorrow.

For the record I beleive we are doing perhaps not the right thing but the best thing we can to say NO NO NO WE WONT LET YOU DO THIS. I want no revenge but I do want justice for the many who will never be buried, for the many who will never heal and for a all who have gone before to give us our freedom.

My heart is wounded and my tears are frozen stones.

anna

Phyll
October 8, 2001 - 06:19 am
My talent is not in writing poetry but feeling the poetry of others. This poem has always been of help to me.

Do Not Stand at My Grave and Weep


Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there. I do not sleep.



I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glint on snow.


I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.



When you wake in the morning hush
I am the swift, uplifting rush
of quiet birds in circling flight.
I am the soft starlight at night.


Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there. I do not sleep.



Anonymous

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 8, 2001 - 09:50 am
Had the thought ever crossed y'alls minds that with so few bodies found that the white dust covering those limping out of the dust storm after the building collapsed may have included the disintegrated remains of those on the upper floors that were consumed by the fireball.

My mind goes to these places - and yesterday's attack numbed me - I cannot beleive we are doing this - I know there are those and many evidently that believe that an attack is appropriate but to me more innocents are being slaughtered - I do agree the perpetrators of terror need to be stopped and rooted out but in the 21st century is bombing our only way?

My tears are in the back of my head and my upper chest - stuck.

What is really going to enrage me is when the truth finally starts leaking out as to what interests we the western world have been protecting so that these people have believed building such hatred is their only weapon.

MaryPage
October 8, 2001 - 10:20 am
Everyone in lower Manhattan that morning was showered with the dust of the dead. No question.

annafair
October 8, 2001 - 12:02 pm
At 1000 degrees the steel frame melted so it is not hard to imagine that the bodies in that fire disintergrated and rained down on the people below.

Do you also realize there were most likely people there that no will ever know they are gone? People without family or close friends. I picture empty apartments and homes that no one realizes the occupant is never coming back. When the mail piles up or the rent or taxes are not paid someone will realize the occupant is missing.

Perhaps some of the people were to be there for an extended time..not necessarily at the WTC but in the USA ..someone may miss them but I feel there are some who no one will ever know what happened to that neighbor, that person they have met for a brief time.

just thinking ...anna

annafair
October 8, 2001 - 12:05 pm
Thanks for posting that poem...I keep promising myself I will research and look for some poems we can share. About death, about heroes, about life..There are so many but my spirit is just not responding to my thoughts.

Thanks again ..anna

MaryPage
October 8, 2001 - 02:03 pm
ANNA, my thinking was that at that high temperature the bodies would have been cremated, and all that would have been left would have been the ashes, just as my husband wished to be cremated and planted under a tree, and what was left of him that I planted under that tree was most definitely ashes. That is, I bought a beautiful tree and had the company dig a hole for it and put my David in the hole and then they planted the tree. That was years ago, and it is doing beautifully. The tree, that is. But he was most definitely reduced to dust, and I think those people were, as well, and that they will never, ever find bodies. The bits and pieces they have found were from the people who jumped from the building.

3kings
October 9, 2001 - 01:28 am
Something a little more light and uplifting. I don't know who wrote it. Does anyone here know?

I suppose if all the children
Who lived through the ages long
Were collected and inspected
They would make a wondrous throng.
Oh, the babble of the Babel!
Oh, the flutter and the fuss !
To begin with Cain and Abel,
And to finish up with us.

Think of all the men and women
Who are now and who have been--
Every nation since creation
That this world of ours has seen,
And of all of them not any
But was once a baby small ;
While the children, oh, how many
Have not grown up at all !

Some have never laughed or spoken,
Never used their rosy feet ;
Some have even flown to heaven
Ere they knew that earth was sweet ;
And indeed I wonder whether,
If we recon every birth
And bring such a flock together,
There is room for them on earth.

Who will wash their smiling faces ?
Who their saucy ears box ?
Who will dress them and caress them ?
Who will darn their little socks ?
Where are arms enough to hold them ?
Hands to pat each shining head ?
Who will praise them ? Who will scold them
Who will pack them off to bed ?

Little happy christian children,
Little savage children too,
In all stages, of all ages,
That our planet ever knew ;
Little princes and princesses,
Little beggars wan and faint,
Some in very handsome dresses,
Naked some, bedaubed with paint.

Only think of the confusion
Such a motley crowd would make,
And the clatter of their chatter
And the things that they would break !
Oh, the babble of the Babel !
Oh, the flutter and the fuss !
To begin with Cain and Abel,
And to finish up with us.

Malryn (Mal)
October 9, 2001 - 06:48 am
Barbara, I hate answering physical attack with more physical attack, too. But when attempts at negotiations fail, what do we do? It is like trying to convince some of the fundamentalist Christians in the Political Issues folder that there is any other way to think besides the way in which they do. After I heard the most recent Osama bin Laden talk several times and read it several times more, it all seemed very familiar, as if I've heard it all before. The reaction in the past to such threats was war. Our civilization and that of those we consider enemies has not progressed beyond that point.

Mal

Malryn (Mal)
October 9, 2001 - 06:52 am
Jihad


A wind from the sea
brings the smell of fire and dust
to my fearful nose.



James E. Fowler
All rights reserved
© 2001

Jerry Jennings
October 9, 2001 - 07:14 am
3kings, your poem sounds like something by Arthur Guiterman, but I'm not sure.

Malryn, what is a senyru? A haiku, maybe, or something similar?

Malryn (Mal)
October 9, 2001 - 07:21 am
Jerry, yes, senyrus are like haikus. I believe haikus are about people or living beings. Senyrus have to do with non-animate "things".

Mal

annafair
October 9, 2001 - 08:28 am
Good to see here and thank you for the poem. The counselor that advised the local newspapers regarding a deluge of poems it has recieved since Sept 11 believes poetry helps us to deal with life and helps us to heal. I believe that too and I know the day I can put my own feelings into a poem I will know this pain will begin to subside.

I handled my husbands death that way. When at last I put my pain on paper I moved on. This morning on today a speaker said that a tragic event can bring back old hurts and old pain and cause us to relive them.

Today I think I am getting ready to move on. The sun seems brighter and the sky bluer.

3Kings as we approach winter you approach spring and summer. Where do you think you are in relation to the seasons? Spring has become my favorite time of the year and I like to close my eyes and think somewhere it will be arrving soon. Let me know when it arrives for you.

anna

annafair
October 9, 2001 - 08:31 am
A senryus is a new word and a new way to think of poetry. I have a number of haikus I have written but this is a new way to think so I shall have to look into it. Thanks for pushing me along with this new thought.

anna

Malryn (Mal)
October 9, 2001 - 09:39 am
Anna:

Senyru don't have to do with nature. Click the link below to learn more.

Forms of Poetry

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 9, 2001 - 12:03 pm
What a great site Mal - thanks - it is a classroom for me - already learned some things that have allowed me to change some of my attempts.

annafair
October 12, 2001 - 08:03 am
I second Barbara's comment..am printing out the information..had a great laugh about the sestina. That was one of the forms we covered in my poetry class. Some wrote them with apparant ease. I could never do one. I am a bit relieved to find perhaps, just perhaps I am more of a poet than I thought!!

I have used the pantoum form and have enjoyed that challenge. My haikus were the accepted standards in poetry classes I think. The information in your post gave me new insight and new freedom.

Will have to read some senyrus to see what is acceptable since it seems it is different.

Thanks and Thanks so much for that link. I have added it to my favorites so I can go back and see what else I will find. I do admire anyone who encourages me to think for myself.

anna who is at last moving forward....

annafair
October 14, 2001 - 11:19 am
While my mind is still numb from Sept 11th I did see a newsreel of Muslim women in Afghan being beaten with sticks. I am not sure why since my hearing loss is so profound if there is no closed caption I lose a lot of understanding. I do know it upset me ..and this poem came to me..I have not edited it ..because I need to keep a poem around for awhile before I feel I need to change it.

 
Does Allah only love men  
Is my destiny just to die  
Shut away from everything and everyone 
Stifled both in my gown and in my speech 
My teaching abilities hidden and out of reach  
For other females just like me  
No male doctor can treat me when I am ill 
All the female doctors are like me  
Hidden, lost and still.  
Why am I stoned or beaten with sticks  
Because I meekly try to obey the rules 
Which each day seem more repressive  
And my thoughts turn to suicide  
Allah! Allah! I love you  
Lift me up and bring me close  
Hear my plea...Please let me be  
All my dreams are saved for thee  
Let me feel the sun warm upon my cheek  
Let me feel the caring I desperately seek  
Oh Allah ! Allah! Hear Please Hear.. 
anna alexander  
10/12/2001 pre> 
©

Mrs. Watson
October 15, 2001 - 09:23 am
Anna: Profoundly moving. An image I can't shake is of an Afghani mother,draped in that shroud, holding her small child. This kind of conditioning of the preverbal child must be overwhelming. No wonder they submit. Their husbands would have been held like this, the women's mothers would have been equally muffled, this would seem natural and a woman's bare face could seem indecently naked!

3kings
October 18, 2001 - 01:47 am
 
                The Second Coming



Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.



Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

W.B. Yeats (1865-1939)

annafair
October 19, 2001 - 11:30 am
That is a chilling thought..you always have the right poem for comments.

Chilly days are here and I find my spirit chilled as well. My grandchildren are so young and I may never see them grown but I worry about the world they will find then.

anna

Mrs. Watson
October 20, 2001 - 02:06 pm
3kings: "wow!"

Patricia Robinson-King
October 23, 2001 - 09:34 am
Thanks, 3kings, for reminding us about The Seccod Coming poem. It does in indeed chill the mind and spirit as we all try to make sense of how our world changed since September 11th. The poem annafair is working on reminds us of the differences between American and Muslim women, and it really "spoke" to me. These two poems reminded me of a poem I wrote when I was a teenager back in the World War II era, and so I will include it here. The lines about horses and ships really weren't applicable then. I will appreciate comments, and maybe someone here can help with lines to replace those.

EMPTY WORLD

The models all wear pretty clothes> And have no eyes.> The ships are full of goods to trade> But no wind fills the skies.> The horses all are blind with heat,> And stand in rotting stalls.> In buildings elevators plunge> Between the heaving walls.>

The world is emptied out of people,> But bells keep ringing in a steeple.> The world runs down into its sea.> Unwound, at last, it crazily> Tilts upon a wedge in apace> And disappears without a trace.>

(c) Patricia Robinson-King

One other thing to Mal and others: I am having a chapbook of a lifetimes' work of poems published next month, and at age 75 I am so pleased to have been picked for this first book to be published under the auspices of The Poetry Society of Georgia. It's never too late to keep on "truckin'"! Pat

Malryn (Mal)
October 24, 2001 - 09:37 am
Congratulations, Pat!
I'm proud of you.

Mal

annafair
October 25, 2001 - 09:41 pm
I think your poem stands alone ..and needs no changes. You said my poem spoke to you and yours spoke to me. You have described an empty world...and if we keep on it will be our legacy.

A long time ago I wrote a poem about Genesis and the creation ..and remembered in my early Bible it said when God looked at what he had done He pronounce it good. in my newest Bible it says He was pleased and my final line was if God were creating today. Would he look at what He had done and say It is Bad.

Sorry that should be in another discussion but at this time when all has changed discussion sort of gets out of hand. But I will leave it stand. sincerely , anna

annafair
November 5, 2001 - 10:29 pm
I dont know about the rest of you but I have been glued to my TV set watching the World Series. I have a tendency to root for the underdog so it was The Diamondbacks for me. For those who dont watch sports I guess those of us who do are a bit odd. It was an exciting seven game series and full of enough surprises, twists and turns for anyone.

The only poem I think of when I watch baseball is Casey at the Bat and of course the song Take me out to the Ball Game.

Sorry I am behind on everything ..but the weather is cooler, the humidity lower and soon all the leaves will be gone. I have a cord of wood to burn in my little stove in my sunroom ..a place where my plants spend the winter and where I do too.

Come share your poems and your favorite poets. Winter is a wonderful time to read poetry..

anna

Malryn (Mal)
November 6, 2001 - 08:45 am
Hi, Anna.

In my mind, New York was the underdog this year, so for the first time in my life I rooted for the Yankees. Having grown up in Massachusetts, my team is the Boston Red Sox, though I liked the Braves when they were in Boston, too.

At the moment I'm getting the December-January-February issue of the m.e.stubbs poetry journal ready to go on the web around the 21st of this month. Anna, I wish you'd submit some poetry for it! It's been a long time since I've published any of your poems.

Anyway, I'm very busy and doing some morning procrastinating now before I get back to work again.

Mal

MaryPage
November 9, 2001 - 10:31 am
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANNA!

Malryn (Mal)
November 9, 2001 - 11:05 am

Happy, Happy Birthday, Anna!!!

Ginny
November 9, 2001 - 06:01 pm
Happy Happy BIRTHDAY,
Anna!!


ginny

annafair
November 9, 2001 - 09:02 pm
When I checked in this afternoon because I saw there were two new messages I thought oh my who has shared a poem. Instead of poems I found birthday greetings. I wrote a message but for some reason I kept getting a message something wasnt working ..so I gave up.

I do want to thank you and tell you I had a perfect day. My children and grandchildren called and they have at last listened to my plea..NO MORE GIFTS. Their greetings and love are all I need or want. A good friend took me out for dinner and some good online friends sent email cards. A perfect,perfect day.

I did email a friend in California who had sent me an email greeting that I was going to the Outback for dinner. He wrote back and said When I tell someone I am taking them to the Outback it means a salami sandwich and a can of beer on the patio!! Thought you might enjoy the humor ..it made me laugh out loud.

Hope to check in some day and find a deluge of poems.

anna

Mrs. Watson
November 20, 2001 - 07:38 am
Love the Outback reference! A new poet to me is Rumi, the mystic from the Afghanistan region. Heard a fascinating discussion on NPR, and will look into this. He seems to be quite charismatic.

Malryn (Mal)
November 21, 2001 - 11:46 am
Thanks to Mahlia, I learned of Rumi some time ago. If you click the link below, you'll find some of Rumi's poems.

Poems by Rumi

Mrs. Watson
November 21, 2001 - 06:43 pm
Thanks, Malryn.

cadieo
November 29, 2001 - 10:39 pm
A nicely written short book of verse and story just trying to find an audience. Vincent Cadieo

Malryn (Mal)
December 3, 2001 - 04:08 pm
The December-January-February issue of the m.e.stubbs poetry journal is on the web.

Among the poets whose work is in this issue are JTB (John Baker) and Mac (R. J. McCusker) who post poetry in the Poets Press. You may also recognize other poets like Anna Alexander (Annafair) and Claire Read (Winsum).

The illustration on the Poets Page is by Gretchen Mansfield, whose photographs appear in Photos Then and Now.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the poetry you find in the December-January-February issue of the m.e.stubbs poetry journal.

Barbara St. Aubrey
December 3, 2001 - 04:27 pm
Wonderful Malryn this juxtaposition of graphic with poem is outstanding - I have to quickly catch the moving box and shut the sound off or my computer freezes so I do miss that - the poem I especially like is Languid Christmas by Margaret C. Rigsby

annafair
December 3, 2001 - 05:42 pm
Well I am really in the hospital in Norfolk ..my friend had his by pass surgery today and while still sedated he is doing very well. I am in a guest room in the hospital and will be here until he is in a step down room ..where he will stay until he goes home. I am hoping to go home on Wed and will be glad to be back there.

I wrote a poem about the View from a Hospital room but I dont have it with me..I did send it to MaryPAge and she has my permission to post it if she stops by.

I will check out your magazine Mal as soon as I post this.

I hope you are all well and cheerful My friend has had one thing after another and will have been here for a month when he goes home. I have spent almost the same time here acting as his representative.

Smiles across the miles ....anna -

MaryPage
December 4, 2001 - 02:53 pm
View from a Hospital Bed

by Anna Alexander


 
my world has narrowed, still I see 
from my window burdened barges, 
sluggish behemoths move slowly out to sea. 
gulls circle overhead and silver winged 
sandpipers cartwheel against a winter sky. 
languid autumn holds on and spills its gold 
on brown grass lawns. 
the whirr of helicopters, flying ambulances, 
the throbbing beat as they hover 
and set down with their passengers. 
I wonder where did they find them? 
snatched them from an accident on the ground 
or from a fire? 
no shade protects me from the morning sun 
nor keeps the stars from my night time sight. 
how much longer will my world be confined 
to four walls and my window view? 


 
will it shrink until it narrows 
and nothing remains 
but my residue? 


anna alexander 11/22/01

FaithP
December 4, 2001 - 06:17 pm
Anna A: That is a very evokative poem. Thanks for the chance to share it. Mary Page thank you for posting it. Faithp

Barbara St. Aubrey
December 5, 2001 - 02:58 am
Wow Anna that last bit - amazingly perfect - that poem makes me pause. Thanks -

Ok had a germ of an idea in responce to a post in Holiday Nostalgia with Dylan Thomas He is a real inspiration - his use of words - I do not know of an adequate adjective to describe his skill - But Christmas is the theme and so with more work this is what I now have - it could change again - I should say the opening bit that is a different meter and style are actually words from Durrant in the first book of his series History of Civilization

Dirt, is the body; Water, the mind;
Wind, emotions; Fire is energy.
Smoke, the spirit, in peace by the word,
in crisis by the sword,
within or without when indoctrination fails.
When time, echoed long before the lamp
Now longer since the darkness
In the east wind has arisen
A hundred nights are eyeless.

When fire, curls smoke whirls in winter chill
Candles weep their wick away
Morning in her mirror sees
Crystal hoarfrost blown array.

While doves, enchant where olives grow
Turbans three rim sounds of time
Trade stars while moon clouds bending low
Meet mountains murmur Peace by Thy rhyme.

Ad Deum, qui laetificat juventutem meam
Gloria, Gloria, Saint Nickolas rode a moonbeam
Witness winter wishes weaving childrens ransom
Dreaming gleaming new dreams and dreams

Their night wails cling till our grieving rose
Old and wild ever at all unimaginable delights
Burn yearning amid angles vast night-light
In Excelsis Gloria, our Baby wiggles His toes -

*To God, who giveth joy to my youth

Malryn (Mal)
December 7, 2001 - 09:11 am
Thanks for the lovely poems, Anna and Barb.

Mal

annafair
December 10, 2001 - 01:13 pm
and thanks for the kind compliments re the poem..I am HAPPY,HAPPY to report my friend's world has broaden and he is at my home to recover. He has survived remarkably well and unlike me went to church yesterday with his daughter and son in law who arrived Sat night. In fact he is doing better than I am.. I am still reeling from sleepless nights and enumerable 3 hr round trips to the hospital. His family are joined by everyone he has met and made friends with locally in undiluted joy at the pace of his recovery. The surgeons did a quadruple by pass ..actually six but in a new method were able to tie two together. From the beginning his color and his vital signs have been outstanding.

I baked two easy cakes for the staff in the area where he spent the three weeks before the surgery and the third day after he woke me with a phone call at 5:30 AM with a request Please bake two more for the staff in the step down unit. He had been up walking all over the place and on Friday they let him come home. How rested he looks while I stiil look a bit frazzled!

I know this is a poetry group but the cake is so easy I am going to post it here

In a large mixing bowl..put in 2 cups of SELF RISING flour and 1 1/3 cups of sugar, 1/2 c of butter flavored Crisco, 1 cup of milk ( I use skim ), 2 eggs and 1 tsp vanilla. Beat for 3 minutes until smooth ..pour into a 13x9 inch buttered and floured pan and bake for 35 min at 350... While it is still hot I puncture the top all over with a fork and pour a vanilla, butter , xxxx sugar thinned with water and 1 tsp vanilla glaze..When you pour this on some melts and enters the fork holes and makes the whole cake moist and really delicious.

I have to go as they will all be home soon and we are going out to a real seafood restaurant locally. As I mentioned they come from Iowa and don't get really fresh seafood.

Hopefully I will be up to par..(whatever that is ) soon and back here bugging everyone...

Mal the illustration you chose for my pantoum poem was absolutely perfect. Thanks for you continued efforts to make us all look good>

Sincerely ...and REAL BIG SMILES ..anna

3kings
December 11, 2001 - 01:27 am
ANNA good to hear such news about your friend. He appears to be making a remarkable recovery. Now you start looking after yourself! Get some nice long rest, and you will be more able to help your friend to full recovery. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Auckland 0930 pm Tuesday 11th -- Trevor.

viogert
December 13, 2001 - 01:27 pm
I can't ever remember reading so much enthusiasm for poetry at any time - all at once - like this. It's enough to renew one's faith in humanity. I enjoyed it so much; I will probably go back again, & to the archive as well. Years ago, people memorised reams of narrative poetry & would reel off "The Schooner Hesperus" or "The Ancient Marriner" without losing a word. They were musical stories - rhythm & rhymes.

What adds to the pleasure in the verses members have written in full is the attractive arrangement of the poems in the centre of the page - like trees. They look lovely.

annafair
December 14, 2001 - 11:54 pm
Thanks for the advice which I am trying to take. My friend is walking a lot but is rather bored as he has been a man who kept busy doing things. His advice is being solicited by the members of the church which helps him some but I can see he wishes he could be up and doing.

This is your summer season isnt it? Our weather has been so warm it feels like we are having summer. Yesterday though I found a wooly caterpillar on my kitchen floor ( I have no idea how it got there) and it was nearly black. Now I dont know if you have wooly caterpillars there but here folk lore says when they are nearly black it will be a very cold winter. Do you think they are confused?

The decorations everywhere this year are ourstanding with lighted deer,santas,snowmen and nativity scenes everywhere. Last year the churches who do living nativitey scenes were served hot cocoa, This year they will be asking for cold lemonade!

A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS..anna

annafair
December 15, 2001 - 12:00 am
Glad to see you here and thanks for the compliments. We are enthusiastic about poetry. When I was a little girl everyone took elocution lessons which resulted in recitals of narrative poems. My memories of those recitals are still warm and pleasent. I realize they are bit sedate compared to sport activities and dancing classes but I wish we had room for our children to learn poetry as well.

Please do come back and share your favorite poets and thier poetry...anna

xxxxx
December 15, 2001 - 08:21 am

Voices



Loved, idealized voices
of those who have died, or of those
lost for us like the dead.

Sometimes they speak to us in dreams;
sometimes deep in thought the mind hears them.

And, with their sound, for a moment return
sounds from our life's first poetry -
like distant music fading away at night.

viogert
December 15, 2001 - 11:29 am
That's brilliant Kevxu.

"...or of those lost for us like the dead".

That's close to the bone of an unreasonable grief, like missing the children. Where did the husky-voiced little boys go - the ones with the urgent eyes & bitten fingernails? The 50-ish baby-boomers with their thickening middles, efficient wives & rowdy children? That's not them. I hear their voices occasionally asking if they can stop up to watch "The Man from Uncle".

Barbara St. Aubrey
December 15, 2001 - 05:42 pm
Hehe your not bad yourself voigert - look at what you've done by simply changing one preposition -
That's close to the bone
an unreasonable grief,
like missing the children.

Where did the husky-voiced little boys go
the ones with the urgent eyes & bitten fingernails
The 50-ish baby-boomers
with their thickening middles,
efficient wives
and rowdy children

That's not them.
I hear their voices
occasionally asking if
they can stop up
to watch
"The Man from Uncle".

viogert
December 16, 2001 - 01:17 am
Well - stap me vitals - you made me look like a poet! What a really generous thing to do though? Arranging a person's words to look poetic. I was sitting there thinking of the-kids-long-gone & trying to be detached about it. I think it's VERY sad - if mother's thought about it - it's as if the children were dead. Kevxu's poem acknowledges the feeling.

Robert Frost wrote one:

The old dog barks backward without getting up. I can remember when he was a pup.

Thank you again for your kind attention Barbara.

Malryn (Mal)
December 16, 2001 - 10:34 am
kevxu:

Thank you for the Cavafy poem. I was first exposed to his poetry when I read a reference to it in Captain Corelli's Mandolin and looked it up. Cavafy was born in Alexandria in 1863 and died there in 1933. He was one of Greece's most prominent poets. Here is something he said about himself.

"I am from Constantinople by descent, but I was born in Alexandria -- at a house on Seriph Street; I left very young, and spent much of my childhood in England.

"Subsequently I visited this country as an adult, but for a short period of time. I have also lived in France. During my adolescence I lived over two years in Constantinople. It has been many years since I last visited Greece.



"My last employment was as a clerk at a government office under the Ministry of Public Works of Egypt. I know English, French, and a little Italian."

annafair
December 16, 2001 - 12:27 pm
Ah the words spoken and rewritten touched my heart ...I look at my children grown with children and I miss the times when they were young...my forever days ..If I could live some of my life over I would choose those when my children were young. Ladies you gave me a tear and a wonderful feeling thanks so much. We all need those precious moments. Thank you Mal for giving us some background. You have no idea how much your bits of information adds to our knowledge and enjoyment.. THANKS TO EVERYONE ..anna

xxxxx
December 17, 2001 - 01:11 pm
Cavafy was born on my birthday, April 29; and he also died on the same day. He is very esteemed in the Greek-speaking world, and I believe that he is considered the first thoroughly modern Greek poet.

Many years ago when I was in my late 20s/early 30s after much turmoil in my department at work a new head of the department was appointed. He seemed to be a rather formal, even pompous man. I was not sure how we would get along, and my position was as asst to the head of the department; thus, he had inherited me as his right hand. He asked me to lunch, and on the way to the restaurant we were having a dreadful time making conversation. Finally, in desperation, as he was Greek, I asked him if he liked Cavafy. His jaw dropped open, and he exclaimed, "You know Cavafy? You like Cavafy!!" And indeed I did. It couldn't have been a better stroke of luck, as it turned out this man had been born in Alexandria to a Greek family that had been resident there for several generations and he adored the poet.

I was golden after that, and we grew to have a very wonderful business and personal relationship. Quite by accident I now live in Cyprus where his wife's father was one of the first people to begin collecting the folklore at the end of the 19th century. Jack

xxxxx
December 17, 2001 - 01:44 pm
Issa was a haiku poet who lived in the early part of the 19th century. His life was unfortunately plagued with sorrows and ill fortune. Late in his fifties he made a very happy marriage, but his first child died at birth; then his beloved second daughter passed away as a child only to be followed by his wife.


My grumbling wife -
--if only she were here!
----This moon tonight...

He was a devout Buddhist of the Shin sect. Japanese Buddhism succintly captures the inevitable fleeting nature of the world and its pleasure in the image of a dewdrop hanging from a blade of grass, the Dewdrop World.


The Dewdrop World,
a dewdrop world it is
and yet...and yet...

He ended his life in extreme poverty and when he was in his final illness he was living in a garden shed because his house had burned down. One day snow sifted through the delapidated roof onto his pallet. Issa composed a haiku marveling that in his duress Amida Buddha was covering him with blanket.

Jack

viogert
December 18, 2001 - 01:21 am
That was an extraordinary story you told. You can imagine how every step you took beforehand - was bringing you closer to this man. You must have walked on air for weeks afterwards - the whole course of your life changed. Some of us have magical experiences that stay at the centre of our lives - like yours. We are the lucky ones.

Unlike Issa whose Haiku's describe his misfortune. An adoreable wife who grumbled enough to be recorded in a Haiku? Buddhists believe before he was born, he probably chose this life full of misery, to take him to the next level. Do you suppose his misfortune was so strong, it infected everybody around him?

I logged in to leave this - by compariason - rather trivial poem. It's one where everybody groans when they read it, so I will just leave the URL & you can groan in private:

http://www.ex.ac.uk/~smnamjos/Poems/Adcock.htm

betty gregory
December 20, 2001 - 08:52 am
Viogert, yes, but your Worse Things (expected groan) poem reminds me of something you wrote concerning when we forgive authors. You said we forgive authors almost anything if they make us laugh. (I love that.) I suspect it is true, as well, when they give us back ourselves. I think of this as I remember what it's like for a problem to seem worse and worse during a sleepless night and the reverse, of course, when a good night's sleep brings relief and a new perspective. Isn't it amazing how that works?

Betty

viogert
December 20, 2001 - 09:33 am
Do we all get them? People with a sunny disposition seem to escape the worst of these. You are right, though Betty - a good sleep can alter a glum view. A brisk walk shakes a bad mood off as well - or at least prevents it getting worse. One of Shakespeare's sonnets - forget which - starts: "When in disgrace with fortune & men's eyes/I all alone beweep my outcast state". He ends, 'haply, I think on thee'. If we have a 'thee' to haply think of, then I suspect we are one of the lucky ones.

Barbara St. Aubrey
December 20, 2001 - 10:34 am
Got the bug last night - you know the one that starts in our tummys till we tingle all over and finally all the memories flood our brain till only music with bells will do - and so here is the effort
While the winter moon is pouring light
A thousand children in their beds
Wait in dream for dawn to chase the night
That creeps beneath the morning bell

In darkened rooms a candle burns low
Shadows cower in flickered fear
While small heads covered from the glow
Know a wayfarer will rumple the cat

They've waited up so long for dawn
With warm safe sounds and eyes weighed heavy
Doubters of the dream withdrawn in secret yawn
Lost to meet by chance the wind of all delights

In the trees a gust has startled a bird
The shutters swing open and lift the curtain
Pluck the joy the cups of daybreak are heard
So many delights the excitement has no end



When out of the forest scent wound in lights
And all the globes that mirrored great grandma and granddad
Now mother and child still in bathrobe sing round the sight
Echoed out of winter’s dawn that glints borne on the ashe of time

Malryn (Mal)
December 20, 2001 - 03:39 pm
I like your poem very much, Barbara. Very fine, indeed.

Mal

jeanlock
December 21, 2001 - 08:24 am
The URL below will take you to a poem that my father used to read to us. I never thought I'd see it again, but lo and behold-- there was a mention of it in our local paper, so I got on the net and tracked it down. Bear in mind it WAS written in post-Civil war days, so don't be sidetracked by the little boy's 'babytalk'----altho I tend to think we've become too blase and scornful these days.

Anyway, I hope you will enjoy it.

http://petecol.mybravenet.com/ann&will.html

viogert
December 21, 2001 - 12:26 pm
Rhyming to the older generation feels like proper poetry. Your poem is lovely Barbara & the rhyme craftily placed off the beat, but it could be set to music easily. Jeanlock's poem is just like the one's grown-ups read to us from Palgrave's - like "The Village Blacksmith". Rhymes made it easier to memorise too? I used to like narrative poems as much as books at bedtime. Children today miss a lot of good rhythms not having poems read to them - which probably accounts for the abysmal lyrics in their pop music.

jeanlock
December 22, 2001 - 12:15 pm
I'm so glad that some of you liked that. I was almost afraid to post it because I thought folks would think it too old-fashioned. But it can still bring tears to my eyes, and I don't think I can give it to my son's kids whose mother died a few years ago.

Back to the kitchen.

Johann McCrackin
December 22, 2001 - 12:59 pm
Jeanlock, I'm incredibly sentimental and I loved the poem you posted. I grew up hearing "Little Boy Blue" by Eugene Field which is on the same web site that you posted and now it brings tears to my eyes because I understand how difficult the loss of a child is.

I guess I'm old-fashioned but I still like poetry with meter and rhyme and I enjoy the challenge of structure when I write. Dabbled a lot with sonnet-forms because they seem to put a thought in a nutshell.

Viogert, I read poetry to my children when they were growing up out of a book entitled "Read Aloud Poems". It had a lot of narrative poetry and one of their favorites was "The Tale of Custard the Dragon". Now I'm reading them to my grandchildren and they like them also.

xxxxx
December 23, 2001 - 05:50 am
Viogert - I had posted a response to the Adcock poem you gave the website for, but evidently it never made into this discussion I see. In any case, I liked the poem a lot......she has a great sense of irony. In this poem at least she shows a trace of Dorothy Parker, or even Cavafy, who had a great ability to add the sharp pinch at the end.

Jack

Malryn (Mal)
December 23, 2001 - 09:59 am
It's the Thought That Counts
James E. Fowler




Cash is king in the land
of too many choices and no
time. No heart for returning
ugly clothes that don't fit.



I would choose to give you
a present of your heart's desire,
but changing visions escape
my everyday knowledge of you.

When young, you were easy.
Toys and clothes, ripped and
broken in a heartbeat. So what,
salved my thoughtless choices.



But now it's words and wallets,
kingly cash and my heart's caring.





James E. Fowler
All rights reserved
© 2000

jeanlock
December 23, 2001 - 11:23 am
Years ago when we lived on Long Island, I was in the store one day doing some Christmas shopping when I overheard the following--

Speaker 1: That blouse would look nice on her, but I'm not sure of the size.

Speaker 2: Oh, that doesn't matter. After all, it's the thought that counts.

I could hardly wait to get out of range before I cracked up.

viogert
December 24, 2001 - 12:04 pm
Did anybody learn The Oxen by Hardy? It was on the National Curriculum one year so all Brits of a certain age learned it by heart in junior school:

Christmas Eve, and twelve of the clock./ "Now they are all on their knees,"/ An elder said as we sat in a flock/ By the embers in hearthside ease./

We pictured the meek mild creatures where/ They dwelt in their strawy pen,/ Nor did it occur to one of us there/ To doubt they were kneeling then./

So fair a fancy few would weave/ In these years! Yet I feel,/ If some one said on Christmas Eve,/ "Come; see the oxen kneel/

"In the lonely barton by yonder coomb/ Our childhood used to know,"/ I should go with him in the gloom,/ Hoping it might be so./

Seasonal greetings to all poetry-lovers everywhere.

annafair
December 26, 2001 - 08:40 am
How wonderful to return here after so much Christmas Celebrations and find your gentle voices. How I agree with each of you in the joy that poetry brings. I can still recite many of the narrative poems from my childhood. If not the whole thing at the very least the first verse comes easily and I am warmed by the remembering.

Those wonderful poems fed our imaginations. For a moment I was with Paul Revere, or could see the Village Smithy under that spreading chestnut tree. I know for me those poems fed my dreams. Yesterday at my daughters we played Junior Trivial Pursuit with my 5 and 8 year old granchildren. What fun we had and how pleased when the 5 year old knew that the Raven said Nevermore!!!

It is my hope your holidays were as joyful as you could wish and that the New Year holds an abundance of good things.

sincerely Anna

viogert
December 31, 2001 - 05:29 am
We all thought Carol Ann should have been Poet Laureate instead of Andrew Motion - she is head & shoulders above all our other poets. Recently she wrote "The World's Wife" - a book of poems, in some cases - about what the wives of the famous thought of their husband's activities. In Queen Herod, an alternative reason for the massacre of the innocents. One of Duffy's earlier poems that I loved very much was called "Warming Her Pearls" - about a servant girl wearing her mistress's pearls during the day, ready for her to wear in the evening.

Carol Ann received some sort of decoration in the New Year's Honours List. Of course - not nearly good enough for her.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

xxxxx
December 31, 2001 - 06:25 am
My apologies for the length of this poem, even though I intend to chop some of it out. However, I feel that it is appropriate both for the New Year and for a senior audience. It takes as its metaphor the journey of the hero Ulysses, whose return from the Trojan War to his kingdom of Ithaca took many years due to the adversity of the gods. Enjoy, and eftyxes to neo etos kai xronia polla - happy new year and many years to you.

ITHACA

As you set out on your journey to Ithaca,
wish the way to be long,
full of adventures, full of discovery.
Lastrigonians and Cyclopes,
Angry Poseidon do not fear, such you will never find on your way.
As long as your thoughts are high,
and well-chosen emotion touches your soul and body,
The Lastrigonians and Cyclopes,
and wild Poseidon you will not encounter,
unless you carry them inside your soul...
Wish your journey to be long.
Many summer mornings to have
when with what pleasure, with what joy
you enter harbors you're seeing for the first time...

Always on your mind have Ithaca.
The arrival there is your destination.
But don't hurry your trip at all.
It is better many years to take
and, old, eventually to settle on the island,
rich with what you have gained on the way,
not expecting Ithaca to give you riches.

Ithaca gave you the beautiful journey,
without her you wouldn't have set out on the way.
Other things it does have to give you any longer.

And if poor you find her, Ithaca didn't fool you.
So wise you have become, with so much experience,
you will have understood already
what is the meaning of these Ithacas.

MaryPage
December 31, 2001 - 09:16 am
Sincere congratulations!

Patricia Robinson-King
December 31, 2001 - 09:16 am
H, everyone, and Happy New Year. I have had a busy fall what with my chapbook,"Meanderings," finally published and being received well. For those who may not know the derivation of a chapbook, I think it means "cheap," but only in the sense of being a type of paperback book. I sincerely hope that my poems do not reflect any other meaning (grin). Thank you, Mal, and Annafair for your congrats about this book which reflects many of my life's observations and experiences. This next is for Constantin Cavafy - I have a poem I copied from a collection somewhere by someone with your last name, but I do not know his first, only that the poem "Expecting The Barbarians" is a devasting account of Rome in the days in which the Goths and Vikings, I think, were expected to come and sack Rome. This poem by this other Cavafy seems so very important after the recent events here in the U.S. It really is too long for me to type in here, but I do suggest others read it, and perhaps post their reactions to it. MAY 2002 BE A BETTER YEAR FOR US ALL. Pat R-K

xxxxx
December 31, 2001 - 09:53 am
Oh dear, I forgot to sign my own name on the posting of the Cavafy posting. I'm Jack, Constantine Cavafy and I were born on the same date......far different years though. Sorry for confusing things.

His poem "Waiting for the Barbarians" is terrific. However, it has an ironic twist at the end: the Barbarians never show up! And the voice of the poet says that the fear of the Barbarians had given the people purpose......now what will they do?

Jack

Patricia Robinson-King
January 1, 2002 - 08:56 am
Thanks, Jack,for the clarification re; your name! Yes, the irony is that in that poem, the barbarians didn't show up. However, in our case, we all share a common purpose, hopefully not out of fear, but of determination to value each other and every day can be a gift. Happy New Year, from Pat

annafair
January 2, 2002 - 05:02 am
In past years I celebrated New Year at parties, dancing and having a great time. Except for champagne at midnight I had no alcohol ...just have no fondness for it. This year the little church I attend hosted a First Watch and we met at 8PM to enjoy munchies, soda, coffee and playing games. Some of the young people ( teen agers) offered to take care of the small children so the parents could enjoy scrabble, scattagories and other games. Children about 8-12 also played the games and we had a great time.

Just before midnight we entered the sanctuary for a brief program. One in which we were reminded we had much to be thankful for and much to remember of the passing year.Communion was offered and prayer for understanding, compassion and hope for the New Year.

For me it was a reminder that many of my past celebrants were no longer with us. I thought of them and remembered them and I guess hope that someday others will remember me as well.

In any case I look forward to this year. Ilook forward to the poems you will share as I have enjoyed the ones of the past. I thank each of you for your contributions, the poems, the comments, the joy we share in the written word.

I congratulate Pat and wish her success.

I did not have black eyed peas for New Year's dinner. Perhaps I should have since Southeners think eating them will bring you good luck. Instead I dog sat for my youngest's Golden Retriever whose head is taller than my table and who thinks food is meant for him. He annoyed my senior lady dog of 15 years and it was necessary to keep them separated.

We are in a winter storm watch with the possibility of snow here in southeast Virginia. We always view it with mixed feelings since we dont have snow often. There is a latent hunger for snow and the realization we are not equipped to handle it since it comes so seldom.

I have rattled on but want to thank each of you again for your contributions and with joy look forward to a New Year of poetry.

Sincerely ,,anna

jeanlock
January 2, 2002 - 06:09 am
Annafair--

Stop by tomorrow and you can have some of mine. I've never done that dish before, and am afraid I didn't make it by New Year's Day, but maybe the luck will carry over.

Happy New Year, and I look forward to seeing you at our Richmond lunch in the spring.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 11, 2002 - 01:13 am
I took the wreath off the front door today
Still green and soft with joyous red ribbon
Secure in the scent of woods and lichen
I took glory off the front door today

I emptied containers of left-over tastes
Carefully washed Grandma’s grand platter and
Tablecloth kit to the blue willow plates
I emptied traditions once more in place

I took down the glass and gilded aged globes
Hung from the table wreath plaiting the light
That closed the family in dreams and twilight
Pondered and wrapped glass and gilded aged globes

With care I swaddled the old broken crèche
Shrouded each figure in sweet scented gauze
Played shepherd by tree stars from Sinta Klause
Wool stowed bemused I covered the broken crèche

The tree stands nary a needle fallen
Some its grateful good riddance branches rough
A street of laid sheets are never enough
This year the tree nary a needle falls

I wonder my habits green or unbending
Will I tie the sun and stars round my head
Is New Year resolve like memory wool stowed
Will new growth echo sweet season ending.

viogert
January 11, 2002 - 04:53 am
What a super poem - just what I remember - year after year - you captured it all. (Did you get a sprayed tree this year that prevented the needles dropping?) I loved "...emptied traditions once more in place". A copy of the poem could find a home in the box with the glass ornaments.

It reminded me of once taking down the decorations & thinking that I might just as well leave them up - it would only be Christmas again in a couple of weeks anyway. . .

Writing poetry must help to slow time down to normal for a bit. Thank you very much for this - it's lovely.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 11, 2002 - 10:04 am
No flocked tree but for some reason all the greenry stayed so fresh and pliable. I had to rework this poem and I fear it lost some of its story - I rmembered as a child on my tummy playing I was a shepherd right there outside the stable and like a lillipution saw the tree lights above. Our tree arrrived during the night on Christmas Eve by Sinta Klause which is what we called Santa. I carried the same tradition on for my children. They went to bed and it was Advent - they awoke to Christmas.

What started my on this was not only the nostalgia of traditions but the realization that New Year resolutions are about change - which means the heartfelt chore of thowing out what is no longer appropriate, green or rough and is the behavior to be changed a body memory or imbeded so in my unconcious like the memories of all the Christmases, are the habits brittle and easy to snap off but oh what a mess or still green and pliable - will I really tie the glory of success, the sun and stars round my head.

Thanks for the kind words and yes, we all see something different in other folks work - I am glad this reminded you of the round and round of putting up and taking down Christmas and how quickly the time passes.

annafair
January 13, 2002 - 01:50 am
For some reason I am behind on everything this year. My tree which is fake ( I no longer buy a real tree ) is still up. Once I started using one I have kept doing so. While my husband was alive we also had a real tree but that is an effort I cant do alone. This year a friend decorated my tree as there were many reasons I just couldnt get around to doing it myself. She did a wonderful job but I missed the joy of doing it myself.

My oldest daugther wasnt able to be with us this year since she became ill at the last minute. She and her husband will be here in Feb and I have decided to leave the tree until then. I must confess there have been times when it was Palm Sunday before I took it down and put everything away.

The beautiful hand carved creche we purchased in Germany is now at my youngest daughters and she puts it out for the grandchildren there. My old traditions are slowly eroding. My children's families are making thier own and that is the way it should be.

So your wonderful poem spoke to me of times past..really past I think I am ready to pass the baton to the younger generation and allow them to keep Christmas for me.

I am printing your poem because I want to remember how it used to be.

Thanks so much for sharing...anna

jeanlock
January 13, 2002 - 08:11 am
Annafair--

Enjoyed reading about your Christmas tree. For years I swore that I would never have a fake tree: it was the real thing or no thing. When it became too difficult for me to manage getting a tree, getting it home, getting someone to set it up, and take it down, etc., I just gave up on the tree and resigned myself to my creche and my village. Then two years ago, on a whim, I picked up a @ 24" tree, already with 'cheap' decorations at the drug store. I kind of liked it, it had lights, and was the right size for me to handle. The next year I got a few small things to add to the tree, and this year I found a little crocheted angel for the top, and some tiny ornaments at Michaels. I have finally got rid of the things that came with it, and with my own decorations-----complete with icicles which I see so seldom on trees today, I was quite happy with the result. So, I did get a fake tree, but since it's so small, I figure it doesn't count.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 13, 2002 - 11:40 am
Well my tree is not the monster size of years ago but the folks at Papa Noels come in here from North Carolina and the young folks they hire are so nice about tying the tree in my trunk and putting the stand on for me before I leave the tent.

This year I learned they have a service where they not only deliver the tree but will set it up for you in your home. So if a real tree is important you may just look into these large tree sellers - the other big seller we have is Emerald Forest, but they were all sold out of trees when I went the Tuesday night the week before Christmas. In fact Papa Noels only had about 20 trees left but I found a lovely one that in its stand was just a bit taller than I am.

Years ago the fire department, Optimist club and still later the grocery stores were the sellers of trees. But like everything when the total focus is on the sale of one product many services become an offshoot where as years ago the sale of trees was simply a limited offshoot not the main source of income for clubs and grocery stores.

For four years in a row in late 80s and early 90s I went to London for Christmas. That was when I really didn't want a tree just for me and so I tied with ribbons a giant wreath under the chandaleer and decorated it with some of the oldest family orniment hanging at different lengths with narrow green and red or gold ribbon. More recently for 3 years I went to my daughter's in South Carolina for Christmas and again a tree seemed like too much and so my chandaleer wreath was just right, so that now I can not imagine Christmas without it.

This was the first year since 1986 I had family here at my home for the Holidays. My daughter surprised her boys Christmas morning - they thought they were picking up Grandma at the airport coming in much later than usual (usually arrive almost a week before Christmas) Well when I didn't get off the plane she says, "well I guess we need to go see her" and hands them their tickets.

It is a very small airport they fly out of and they had everything packed the night before. Their good friend was along for the ride having stayed at their home for Christmas Eve. He got all the luggage in so as not to alert the boys. They were so shocked that all Cade, the seven year old could say was "Now," "we are going Now" over and over. Ty, age 11 was dazed till the plane took off.

For New Year weekend and day I had a house full with 5 grands and both sets of parents. My son came here from College Station. It was a real sentimental meal on New Year's day in that I used my Grandmother's Blue Willow, now over 110 years old, her soft and worn table cloth and my mother's recipie for the crown roast stuffing and her mince pie.

viogert
January 17, 2002 - 04:19 am
REUNION BETWEEN PLANES


I'm the old schoolfriend
swooping out of the sky
like a Halloween witch
in my Hollywood shades
and my stretchable wig
and girdle of groans.
Since we shrieked our goodbyes
in a shower of rice
my babies have grown beards
been jailed and divorced.
My husband the broker
embezzled, absconded,
is living abroad with
a kennel of bitches.
I remember your dad
who fondled our bottoms
your mom with her bottle
she hid in the sofa.
My god, they were younger
by decades than we are
crossing into the dusk
of this terminal bar.

annafair
January 18, 2002 - 03:16 am
I am not familiar with Adair but have to tell you that is one powerful poem and I thank you for posting for us. anna

viogert
January 18, 2002 - 04:32 am
annafair - she's lovely isn't she? She's not well known over here either, but she's around 89 now, blind with glaucoma. There's a collection of poems from Random House (1996) called "Ants on the Melon". Here's two more.....

FATHER'S PHRASE

My father mellowed as his hair
turned grey.
Though clods and con men cluttered up
his day,
"A very worthy person," he would say,
lifting his eyebrows in a certain way.





WHERE DID I LEAVE OFF?


Where did I leave off yesterday?
I stood at midnight with the mouse
caught in a cornflake box and rustling slightly .
What do I do next? I stepped outside
into the backdoor tangle of thorns and roses.
I did not know my neighbours.
They'd be puzzled to see a cornflake box
in their backyard. Good luck,
little mouse, I said, as the box sailed high over the fence.


Our next mouse crept
into an empty cider jug for the sweet dreg.
I stood the bottle up, a sad sweet jail.
Almost at once she gave birth to a litter of six.
I carried the bottle of mice to Lincoln Park
and left the jug on its side, for easy exit,
under a sheltering bush. They were all
Beatrix Potter mice, dainty and loveable;
not the gross travesties of Disney.


I was lonely
with my husband away all day at work.
But after a wild party Kentucky Derby Day,
we too began to breed in Rapley Caves, under our thicket of
pipes
but not in a cereal box or cider bottle.
In the first cyclone to hit the eastern mid-Atlantic coast,
we moved to New Haven in such a deluge
that canoes passed us on the Boston Post Road,
and driving into New Haven
all the elms blew down behind us.
I survived a surfeit of tainter oysters
and gave to our first child.
He will be 55 next week.


Why am I telling you all this?

xxxxx
January 18, 2002 - 05:01 am
She's wonderful! I'll have to look for a collection.

Jack

viogert
January 18, 2002 - 11:14 am
The penultimate line of the last verse should read:

"and gave birth to our first child"

Just ran out of time. Sorry.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 18, 2002 - 02:55 pm
Lovely but as my tummy did a twist with a line from REUNION BETWEEN PLANES, for me it is the dark side that also holds truth --

Amelia Rosselli (1930-)
ON FATHERISH MEN

Great Pompous Ague, and Vapid Arguments
do they use, to Use you. The Branch is Loaded
with Ripe Oats, smothered into the Air. With Tinkling fingers
I do Shake it down, So you would have me 'pon your Knees
quite Freely? Pay then First! Then will I Join you
at the Feverish tree, and sing a song of
Exstasie (short-cut, 'tis the Youths we Turn to).
Or would Ye be my Grande-Father? No, too Dulle this proves:
an Olde Man, well ripe in Lust,
or None, Thine Fine Rumbuctious Talk
but Whiffs at Me; 'tis the Bed I want, and
Respect of my Motherhood, too: till you Die
of Excess. Would you Return (after Judiciously
Leaving me) and take up Habits again? Then come Crawling
'pon your two blind Knees. Have thee not recongnized I bee
a Devilish Maiden, pulling at Thy flucid Beard? Yet
I do love thee, and beg thee be
a True Father. Mine is Gone
into the Grave, waving a Banner
of Idiocee: be thou more Intelligent; Keep
from Policee, and Take Mee. Humbly shall I
Spit at thee, Crawling my Hand at your Hind-
Pocket, as you Kisse Me. But no Lucrous
Intents had I, see; twas but to wipe the Loaden sea
of my Love-tears, with Thine Hankerchiee. Come, come,
be though Brave, and Come to Mee,
a-Loaden with rich Jewelree. All Night long
shall we Curry the Milke 'f Innocenciee.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 19, 2002 - 02:47 am
OK this is as close as I have ever gotten - It doesn't rhyme and the count is not consistent so I do not know what it is - maybe it is what they call free verse - but its as close as I have ever gotten --
A piece of dusk breaks off
shambling not slowly
as low-couched in dungeon-keep
A shadow whispering through soft folds
where gates of sleep once stood wide.

A cunning shiver advise me captive
rattling batting past tense resolve till
reason weeps one slippery passage
greets trembling tissue emboss the
night of knowledge under storm and form

Tremors murmur terms of silence
wisdom winnows pulsing shudders
impeach the memory there and now
that preaches dumb bonded breath
round the margins of space and grace

Gasp distilled in black clear crystal
sounds the race gleaming free
full tide flood streams the
rhapsody of fear ranging
gravely that broke the dream

No god of sound a motion made
this lone soul stirred
through domes and bubbles broken
upward viled through the wild
bending ebb-tide curve ascending till dawn

Unseen wings flutter beating
flames unwithdrawn forged
flush memories unroll
hoisted undazzled seas of bees
revealing shaming swarming wind

Sundered old rents awakened
still so strong glint
on bodies cloned to stone
a chorus of rebuke
hell-colored whirl and swirl howl vacant.

viogert
January 19, 2002 - 11:48 am
It was more than having your bottom fondled - that's for sure. Most of the trauma's of our youth - like all 'the 1,000 natural shocks' - our grown-up selves should encourage wounds to heal over - grow strong scar tissue. It affects our character & gives us odd dreams if we don't. But if the problem is too painful, too alive but too personal for strangers, it's a waste of your good poetic gift to wrap the secret in enigmatic references. We hear you call out, but are unable to reach you.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 19, 2002 - 02:30 pm
Voigert - that is just it - it has been wrapped in secret and to finally say aloud is healing - interesting that your take is that it is "enigmatic references" - that may be the difference between trying to describe the inner dialogue as compared to someone talking about something as if they are viewing something that they understand how to describe. When this happens you do not have yet the knowledge of what is really going on - only the knowledge of something different that makes you feel fear, and astonished and any number of other feelings - nor do you have any idea how society would describe what is happening.

Although these things happened 60 years ago, and after 7 years of therapy, there is many a night, especially when I am alone, when something kicks off the whole thing and you just can't stop it - and so, many layers of clothes, every light on in every room, the TV loud and sleeping on the sofa or in the closet inside a sleeping bag is the answer with it all buzzing and buzzing in your head. I am not alone - I am typical of many - my generation was too silent for too long.

That silence is my biggest personal issue. Only by putting words to something does it become something managable. Society is still not comfortable with this topic as a normal topic - That saddens me and at times it makes me feel further the shame as well as, not being good enough for society - the media news can be filled with death and mayhem of the most gruesome and fearful kind, a man hanging on to pieces of buildings as he fell to his death 9/11 but, incest and childhood rape is still considered a salacious or uncomfortable topic.

At least I can thank you because at least now I know the words were clear enough for a reader to know what the topic is that goes on in my head. - hay no hard feelings here - just our different percpectives.

viogert
January 20, 2002 - 01:12 am
Here's another poem by another old woman.


TANGO


Let us invent marble and five o'clock
I'll take white and you take black.
How engagingly we rhyme
across the chequered level in the perfume
of tea and petits fours.


I shall sample the tinest slice
of the Grand Succes on the lemon terrace,
the newly apparent moon
a delicacy cat-ice thin,
fresh as mimosa.


Your legs are dangerously long
under the palm trees at Mentone,
my thighs all silk and hesitation
drawing the tango down
the polished length of the floor.


And the cellos have slim waists
and violins are girls with flattened breasts.
Let us invent the chaise longue,
bamboo, Lapsang Suchong,
linen and panama.


You may cough and thump your stick,
but I have been up in the attic
and have a bundle of postcards here to prove
that once we were seen to be in love
on the Riviera in nineteen twenty four.

viogert
January 21, 2002 - 01:07 pm
They f*** you up, your mum and dad
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.


But they were f***ed up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats & coats,
Who half the time were soppy stern
And half at one another's throats


Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

jeanlock
January 21, 2002 - 01:10 pm
viogert

Oh, I really like that poem. What pictures it brings up!!!!

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 21, 2002 - 10:12 pm
Been having computer problems and so not in as often - I hope this thing isn't burning up on me - I've spent the day downloading copies of all I can and tomorrow I need to get a couple of CDs to get some of my programs especially my calander. My poetry at this point is the floral kind with short quick bursts as I even dystroyed some of what I was trying to save - ahhhhhggggg.

betty gregory
January 21, 2002 - 11:57 pm
I was reading your poem, Barbara, post #466, and, not having read Viogert's (467) response, yet, thought to myself.....how much work you were doing to not say, not tell. Then, I read your #468 and found a beautiful poem stretched out in paragraph form, beginning, "Although these things happened....."

Betty

viogert
January 22, 2002 - 12:20 pm
Anne Carson is the first woman to win this prize with her brilliant "The Beauty of the Husband". The other contenders were big hitters like Famous Seamus Heaney & Sean O'Brien. It's called a 'fictional essay in 29 tangos' about the disintigration of a marriage, but on the radio last night she said a lot of it was autobiographical. It's probably the authenicity of personal experience that has made it so strong.

Knopf have done her really proud - it's beautifully produced - detail of Ingre's painting of Jean-Baptists Desdeban on the front, & the detail of a handwritten letter by John Keats on the back.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 22, 2002 - 08:00 pm
Computer still a problem but, your comments have been on my mind - I know I have work to do - then as Billy Collins says in Plight of the Troubadour "My sentiments are tangled like kites in the branches of her incomprehension, and soon I will be lost in an anthology."

I appreciate, Betty your noting the poetry in my paragraph but ah the message - no - been there - done that- or at least others are doing that - I’m after something that is eluding me - maybe I’ve tried for too much and need to distill even further - what I am after is universal to anyone having something happen where they have no words to describe and it seem incongruous to anything they know. I appreciate both your imput but this is what I am trying to do --

I kept hoping a descriptive word would be used as 9/11 was explained - but nothing - I’m remembering the other night on the news - a man trapped in the tower debris for 20 hours was rescued - he shared what he thought at the time, which was based on what he knew - he thought it was a car bomb - then quickly as if he could hear others challenge his assessment he explains the other sounds as gun shots or a battle going on and further he explains, his attention, as was those that were trapped with him, was on the fire getting closer. Only after his rescue and after seeing the TV tape, he saw the enormity of what happened and then he reacted conscious of the miracle that anyone found him. Only after he understood what really happened and was able to connect in his mind the horror did he show the rawness of trauma.

Betty, I know you have a disability. I do not know much more, except this disability prevents you from living in the part of the country you love because you need to be nearer to family, and it prevents you from working in your profession. As well, you’re more and more dependent on others for everyday assistance. When you first noticed something about your body that wasn’t working I bet you didn’t say - oh that is such and such happening - you probably said to yourself - this is strange and continued to try to overlook what was happening - followed by this shouldn't be happening, - followed by if this keeps on happening I won't be able to do such and so forth. Until you actually went to the Doctor you probably had no name for what was happening, nor had a clear point of reference till society's terminology for what was happening was expressed and you with all its implications and you said the words. But I bet you remember your first feelings. Even now you probably rage when you cannot do something that you could do a year ago, or a month ago, as you become further dependent on others, as you have become a captive to your own body.

Back to the World Trade Towers - fantasy - slow motion - what is it called when the plane just the tip touched the building - when as an occupant you turned and said, what is this doing here, it doesn’t belong here, it is causing damage and making a mess. They would not be saying - this is an act of war, or how horrible, or any of the other words used to describe the event. All those words are quantitative judgmental explanations or a summation of the horror having more information that it was committed by someone that meant to harm.

Have you ever looked up the word Rape - forcing another to submit to sexual intercourse Sounds like Kafka’s coined word "officialese." The language of disguise like, the explosion at Three Mile Island is called a "normal aberration," or a nuclear accident as an "event." It is like lumping these events into a word that all those experiencing that action can fall under the definition.

At seven you do not know what sexual intercourse is much less that you are being forced. For heavens sake I didn't realize I was raped till 50 years later while re-telling the story - I had explained to my mother it was like his finger - she asked, little like your finger (I was using my middle finger to show her) I quickly looked and was going to say fat like my thumb and said no like your thumb. - I was told to take a bath - I had already explained, with great exasperation how I asked the girl behind the candy counter for a tissue and she didn’t have any. I had to beg her for a piece of paper sack to clean up. What I forgot was he lifted me up to show me the coloring books (I was shopping for my 5 year old sister's birthday present) - I said I didn't want his help but he lifted me regardless - 50 years later, was when I realized he couldn’t have lifted me with one hand.

I never connected what he did with what my grandfather had done nor my father, nor later in life when sex was for many years a loving experience that enabled me to have my sought after babies.

With my father it was not the shame of what happened or, the shame of it being my father, it was the shame of not being able to make my body stop. I would be woken with my body reacting and I couldn't make it stop. If I couldn’t even make my body stop then I asked myself, how could I do anything in life. I better just lie low and do what ever others think is right because I am not capable of doing anything for myself. I better conform, cease to exist, be invisible, wrap myself in being 'good,' turn anger into compromise and loss into acceptance.

OK no 'ahww' or 'you don't believe that about yourself do you' or any of the other things that you could be saying reading this as a member of society trying to put it in context with the many movies and TV shows that you have seen - just look at the dynamics that I am trying to come up with a words that will take all this, and be able to say, as we read is so many stories - 'in a sensation that only years later could we identify as --blank--. At age 7, who knew from --blank--? The best we could think of at seven was "icky," or "annoyance," or "go away this is not right," which isn’t really a word is it. Rape - no, even the description of the word would be a struggle to make that moment, when you realize something new, that you have no reference for and do not like, that it is happening. This word, and description of how you feel I do not think is any different for anyone surviving any horrific or disabilitating experience.

And so I thought I could get there with poetry - maybe so and maybe not - but for me the 'naming' goes on as if I was walking down a hall of many doors, opening one after the other searching for the elusive words.

betty gregory
January 22, 2002 - 09:49 pm
Now I understand so much better, Barbara, and even identify with your search for expression. A part of my own answer was to understand that someone had invaded my personal body space, had weilded power over me as a child through his inappropriate touching and maneuvering and more. Combine that with beatings and you come up with.....what? Something to be named and proclaimed wrong. But I look for the simplest, most direct expression, as physical vulnerability is again with me.

On the been there/done that prose, I believe you, but it is still beautiful in its clarity and accessibility and, may I ask, is it at least related to your search for expression?

Betty

xxxxx
January 23, 2002 - 08:45 am
Barbara, I have been following what you have written with unwilling fascination. Not from distaste, but rather from a roiling, dark familiarity. But the connexion with poetry is such that I will attempt some brief comment.

At the age of 9/10 my mother began weekly aggressively sexual behaviour with me which went on for a year, perhaps more. I was stripped naked under the pretext of being washed (at age 9!), stood on a chair; then talked to salaciously and diddled. I didn't understand it, and was terrified and no amount of protesting and crying had any effect.

From that time on - all the rest of my life - my mother's touch sickened me. Finally at age 44 I ceased having any contact with her. When I had dared to mention it - no one believed - A mother could never do anything like that!!! Even a female therapist at one point turned all her efforts to convincing me that I was lying! Women have a particularly difficult time, understandably I guess, of accepting themselves as sexual transgressors.

Only a few years ago I read the poems of Meera (or Mira) a medieval Hindu saint, who wrote ecstatic poems of abject devotion to (whoops) Siva (I think.) Much of the time she laments the passion of the god, then his withdrawal, and the terrible feelings of darkness she sometimes has. The poems are almost lunatic in the storms of opposite emotions, and her inability to control herself after the god had "had" her. The poetry affected me very deeply, but not with any religious identification that I could attach to it - then at some point well into the poems she cries out against her body and says that it's willingness to undermine and destroy is like having one's own mother be a vampire.

It was the first communication from another human being that touched on what had happened, the thing I never had the word/image for.

Jack

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 23, 2002 - 11:08 pm
Dedicated to Betty and Jack
A Matter of Silence

A matter of habit
drew the old beliefs more tightly
outside a variation of meaning

A matter of glory
survive each occasion more blindly
compromised in our lies of being

A matter of meaning
molds the logic of truth and due
in a community of silence

A matter of comfort
encircled the 'word' as illusion, 'knowing,'
an assault on their carefully built fortification

A matter of limbo
a borderland of disquiet
into which much silence has fallen.

xxxxx
January 24, 2002 - 08:00 am
This is a poem by Mirabai, the Hindu saint and devotee of Krishna. When I mentioned her before I had first thought that Krishna was her god, but on second thought believed I was wrong and said Siva. I should have gone with my first thought - it is Krishna. Jack



I am crazy with pain,
and no one understands it.
Only the wounded knows the pain of the wounded
saving the fire in his heart
Only the jeweller knows the values of the gem,
not the one who lost it.
O lord, Mira's pain will only go
when the Dark One is the healer.

xxxxx
January 24, 2002 - 11:54 am
For your Burns' Night enjoyment



To a Mouse(1785)



Wee, sleekit, cow'rin, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
I wad be laith to rin an' chase thee,
Wi' murd'ring pattle!



I'm truly sorry man's dominion,
Has broken nature's social union,
An' justifies that ill opinion,
Which makes thee startle
At me, thy poor, earth-born companion,
An' fellow-mortal!



I doubt na, whiles, but thou may thieve;
What then? poor beastie, thou maun live!
A daimen icker in a thrave
'S a sma' request;
I'll get a blessin wi' the lave,
An' never miss't!



Thy wee bit housie, too, in ruin!
It's silly wa's the win's are strewin!
An' naething, now, to big a new ane,
O' foggage green!
An' bleak December's winds ensuin,
Baith snell an' keen!



Thou saw the fields laid bare an' waste,
An' weary winter comin fast,
An' cozie here, beneath the blast,
Thou thought to dwell-
Till crash! the cruel coulter past
Out thro' thy cell.



That wee bit heap o' leaves an' stibble,
Has cost thee mony a weary nibble!
Now thou's turn'd out, for a' thy trouble,
But house or hald,
To thole the winter's sleety dribble,
An' cranreuch cauld!



But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!



Still thou art blest, compar'd wi' me
The present only toucheth thee:
But, Och! I backward cast my e'e.
On prospects drear!
An' forward, tho' I canna see,
I guess an' fear!

viogert
January 24, 2002 - 12:46 pm
KEVXU Now there's a nice surprise - thanks for that!

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 25, 2002 - 03:52 am
Great - how often my mother would say "The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men." Here is one of my favorite Robby Burns sites

Last fall while we were at the Southern Highland Games in Tryon my son-in-law learned his family came from the same area of Scotland that Robert Burns is from. My son-in-law's family left Scotland and settled first in Tennessee in the late 1700s. Later they moved further West into Missouri and some of the family settled further South in Alabama.

And so it has been neat now finding out all we can about Robert Burns. His work is old enough where an annotated version of his work would be really helpful.

xxxxx
January 26, 2002 - 10:19 am
In Chota Nagpur and Bengal
the betrothed are tied with threads to
mango trees, they marry the trees
as well as one another, and
the two trees marry each other.
Could we do that some time with oaks
or beeches? This gossamer we
hold each other with, this web
of love and habit is not enough.
In mistrust of heavier ties,
I would like tree-siblings for us,
standing together somewhere, two
trees married with us, lightly, their
fingers barely touching in sleep,
our threads invisible but holding.

annafair
January 26, 2002 - 02:06 pm
Sometimes it is impossible to put words to feelings. Your poetry, your sharing has moved me and I sit here and weep for all the children who have been wounded by the ones who they should be able to trust.

I know how blessed I have been and yet I hope I have understood as much as someone can how terrible it must be for those walking wounded in our society. I know how untrustworthy are our emotions and our sexuality. I have always felt how terrible for someone to find feelings in their bodies they never knew existed. In some ways to hate what is happening and your body behaving in a way you cannot cease ...how easy it must be to hate oneself, to feel, it was your fault.

I want you to know how much I appreciate what you have shared. I have sat here trying to think of something comforting I could say. There isnt any. There is no suggestion or advice or word of wisdom. There is only a wish I could hug you and say I am proud of your trying.

with love for you ..anna

viogert
January 27, 2002 - 09:56 am
KEVXU That's a good poem - what a great idea getting betrothed to favourite trees with a beloved. I don't know William Meredith but I will look for him now

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 27, 2002 - 03:51 pm
An ancient Chinese Poem:
To what can our life on earth be likened?
To a flock of geese,
alighting on the snow.
Sometimes leaving a trace of their passage.

annafair
September 18, 2004 - 02:42 pm
Love them both ..the poems. thanks for sharing them...and it does not matter if I leave no trace in the snow..for when I go I WILL KNOW I HAVE BEEN THERE...anna

xxxxx
January 28, 2002 - 03:11 am
Sunday

The mint bed in
bloom: lavender haze
day. The grass is
more than green and
throws up sharp and
cutting lights to
slice through the
plane tree leaves. And
on the cloudless blue
I scribble your name.

Barbara St. Aubrey
January 30, 2002 - 04:21 am
When will the river awaken spring thaw?
I ask the crystal moon
Pussy willows gleam gold near sun's turning sky
In the softness of their budding lore
Still along the frozen creek
Promise of spring release these stalks
Swaying dust, yellow catkins sigh.

When will I wash my mother's glass vase?
I dance with moon-lit shadow
My willow fluff hears pipes of pan
Veil yesterday's coffee stain, an antique vase,
Boots all muddy, socks soaked,
A child snaps a branch, a frog croaked
At the lake, promise in my daughter's hand.

betty gregory
February 1, 2002 - 12:11 am
Thank you, Jack and Barbara, for such beautiful thoughts of spring.

Betty

annafair
February 1, 2002 - 09:16 am
Each one catches such special thoughts and feelings. There is a rythmn to poetry that just doesnt exist in prose. Some poetry masquerades as prose but your heart tells you which is which.

Thanks to everyone who keeps this alive with your thoughts and sharing your favorite or your own poems.

hugs..anna

viogert
February 2, 2002 - 12:50 pm
Cries of London

the busker and his echos in the subway
the fans wild-singing on the train
the mugged girl weeping in the precinct
the rain


The marchers and their banner-calls for justice
the juke-box belting through the bars
the old jane cursing in the washroom
the cars


The billboards with their claims and scarlet language
the crazed drunk yelling out his fear
the news-stand bold and brash with headlines
the tears


the dancers as they fall out from the disco
the weirdo beat up by the boys
the wet streets filled with tongues and voices
the noise

xxxxx
February 3, 2002 - 01:08 am
Interesting effect on me. Looking at the title I expected a poem with references to the traditional "cries," i.e. - the doggerl and calls of pedlars and street sellers. I thought of Ralph Vaughan Williams "London Symphony," which attempts to invoke these old street cries musically. But of course the ugly cries of chaos and desperation are what makes the modern city, and this is captured all too well. Alas, no Vaughan Williams symphony here.

Jack

viogert
February 3, 2002 - 12:51 pm
KEVXU. I didn't know Vaughan Williams London Symphony was full of street cries - I must have heard it dozens of times without realising. We learn every day - thanks for that!

But for beautiful street cries, it's hard to beat the two songs of the strawberry woman & the crab-seller in "Porgy & Bess" don't you think? This is the wrong site to raise the subject Jack, but have you felt the musical famine of the last 30 years? If it's not a revival, it's Lloyd Webber. If it wasn't for 'world music' or the digging out of cranky composers from the recent past, there would be no feeling of musical progress & I would have nothing. At my age the classics - Jazz as well - seem to have been over-played so they become more familiar than they were intended.

annafair
February 4, 2002 - 03:04 am
That resonates with me ///it has been a very long time since I have ridden a subway or public transportation of any kind. The last time I felt all those things. The pleasant times when I was young and used public transportation has been tainted by the memories of the last time when it seemed it was dangerous to be on the subway.

I do remember the subway when I visited London back in the 50's That was not the time i was referring to..that came later when we returned to the states and were visiting family in Philadelphia. Even the streets that once were full of small shops and busy shoppers were now empty and deserted except for what appeared to be gangs of rowdies.

And music? so much of what passes for music today is just noise in my opinion and lyrics that used to be lyrical are non existent. Sometimes it seems we have have fallen backward to the time when man communicated with grunts and sounds instead of words..that is my opinion and you may see it differently.

anna

annafair
February 4, 2002 - 03:14 am
It seems I have no time to read poetry..although I will be helping with The Savage Beauty discussion starting March 1..just click on that in Books and Literature. It is the biography of Edna St Vincent Millay. If you have enjoyed her poetry or would like to know more about her and her poetry please do visit there.

Even as I fail to read others poetry I find myself writing some of my own. It is not deathless , perhaps not even good but I find helpful.This past week my oldest daughter and my youngest grandson have been quite ill with whatever is going around. Anyway it made me think of the following

 
I never knew 

time could move so fast collapse and fall into a black hole caught in space and leave no trace where are the days and hours that stretched before when youth was mine to hold?
 

where are my loved ones 
lost and gone in that dark place 
where no one answers 
questions I once failed to ask
 

where are the babes who 
thought me wise 
who kissed me with small 
moist mouths and whispered 
in my ear I love you mom?
 

where are the seasons 
that marked my days 
gone down into that rabbit hole 
and I soon to follow?
 

I never knew age would bring 
knowledge never guessed 
life would not be hours or days 
or even years but only seconds 
on my watch 
while I wait for God to press 
the STOP
 

anna alexander 2/02/02 ©

viogert
February 4, 2002 - 10:03 am
ANNA That's absolutely lovely. I can't think of one mother who wouldn't recognise your sentiments. Beautifully expressed without a lot of sentimental amnesia -- forgetting what hard work it was & how continuous & often monotonous & repetitive. Then all of a sudden it's gone.

3kings
February 5, 2002 - 01:28 am
ANNA Goodness me! Thankyou for that poem, it is an absolute gem. I would like to show it to some friends, whom I know would love it. But I know I must not do that. Thankyou again. -- Trevor.

annafair
February 5, 2002 - 06:07 pm
If you dont share your poems or ones you enjoy then I guess you must read mine. A conversation the other day involved a discussion on how to meet someone's needs. I thought if I were that person I would prefer you ask me than tell me what you think I need. So here are my thoughts...

<C>
 
Do not bring me pearls  
I have no need of these  
but give me limes and lemons  
so I may quench my thirst
 

do not tell me I need the sun by day  
or stars by night  
but pour over me the rain  
for I stand on burning sand
  

I am not a vessel 
to be filled with your needs  
but an empty soul  
to be filled with mine
 

do not think I need wind  
to fill my sails  
but help me find a keel  
to keep my boat afloat
  

do not bring me pearls
  

anna alexander 2/04/02 ©

3kings
February 6, 2002 - 01:11 am
A poem from Poland that you might like, Anna. My wife, who is Polish, tells me it is quite a good translation; something difficult to achieve in poetry. I remember you once said you like Lilacs.

SORROWFUL

With spring the lilac bore its flowers;
I waited for you waking;
My eyes were full of trembling tears,
And how my heart was breaking!

But time to all things gives an end:
To spring, and lilac-blossom....
And still you did not come to me,
And sorrow fill’d my bosom.

I dreamt anew the fragrant rose
Would draw you home tomorrow;
That I might rest upon your breast
and so forget my sorrow.

The summer’s jasmine ceased to bloom,
The scarlet rose soon faded . . .
You came not with the rose to bless
A heart with grief pervaded.

Then autumn brought the yellow leaf
And wild winds on the wing;
But still forgot, I saw you not
In autumn, as in spring

Cold, killing frosts invest the earth,
And life’s brief year is through;
But O my dear, though death is near,
My heart still dreams of you!

Zofia Trzeszczkowska (1847-1911)

annafair
February 6, 2002 - 02:36 am
Thanks so much to both you and your wife for the poem. Yes Lilacs are a favorite of mine and I am hoping my lilac bush survives the present frigid temperatures. Our early visit from summer I know can wreck havoc on plants. The high temperatures cause sap to rise and then a dip into single digit temperatures freezes and my poor plants wither and die.

I wonder if Poland has a special saying about lilacs. I know when were stationed in Germany in the 50's the Germans had a saying that when lilacs bloomed it was the best time of the year. I dont remember the actual words but a German friend told me that when I was admiring a lilac bush in full bloom. In my area in Virginia the lilac is very tempermental. The blooms are small when they do bloom and many years you never get a blossom as a quick freeze destoys them. In northern Virginia they thrive. Almost a good reason to move!

Thanks for sharing the poem...anna

Malryn (Mal)
February 8, 2002 - 12:47 pm
Wonderful poetry since I was here last.

What about being gang-banged at the age of six by five teenaged boys? That's not something I've told too many people about. Of course, I didn't dare tell my mother for fear my father would whip me. There are quite a few of us around who share these experiences.

This is a poem I wrote a while back, which has nothing to do with the above.


Just a Little Brushoff

No spoken goodbyes push old
past brooms that sweep this goodness
under the rug like crumbs family feet
and shoes can crush. Corporate
hearts' unseen blood spews on a
rich world's green tennis court,
stains on plush carpets laid long ago for
others. Accusations rip holes, deep
graves for fine, caring minds that
mate and mesh too well.

Thick dust aroused stifles sweet air which
breathed on and nurtured all that is denied.



Marilyn Freeman
All rights reserved
© 2000

annafair
February 8, 2002 - 01:39 pm
I never know what you will share ...that makes me want to hug you and tell you something I know you know ...it wasnt your fault! It is impossible to respond with the amount of both horror for you and the sadness I feel that anyone would have that memory. I am at a loss for I dont know what I can say. You wouldnt mention it if still wasnt painful ...and I dont see how it can be otherwise.

You do write beautiful things and inspire others in so many ways I hope in some small way the admiration you have garnerd helps.

Hugs to a very FINE LADY ...who I am glad to think of as a friend...anna

Malryn (Mal)
February 8, 2002 - 04:02 pm
Dearest Anna:

Thank you for your friendship and caring. I am long since over any pain from that incident. The worst pain of all was the idea that my quick-tempered father might find out, and he never did.

Mine has been an interesting, unusual, and long life. The only things I would have changed are my mother's death at much too young an age and the illness I had at the age of 7 which made my life very different from what it would have been if I hadn't contracted it. I know, though, that if I hadn't had it, I probably wouldn't have done nearly as many things as I have, including the astonishing-to-me electronic publishing and writing I do today.

Mal

MountainGal
February 9, 2002 - 04:43 pm
very traumatic times behind you. I can't think of much that is worse than the incidents you described, and I can just imagine that the trauma lasts for a lifetime because a very basic trust was broken. I'm so sorry, and I also realize how very lucky I was to never have such a thing happen to me. I was born in Berlin, Germany during WWII and have some terrible, horrible memories of war, but they are nothing compared to that breaking of trust in childhood the way you experienced, and that never happened to me. My parents were very protective, and so were all the adults around me, and so I learned from early on, even in the midst of war, that trust is possible.

Did want to share a book with all of you that I found not only helpful in understanding poetry, but helpful in the sense that I had no idea there were that may different styles of poetry. It's called "The Practice of Poetry" (Writing Exercises from Poets Who Teach) by Robin Behn and Chase Twichell. Each chapter explains a different type of poetry and then gives exercises for practice.

I generally don't write poetry except for Haiku, and I have trouble understanding it; ergo the book to see if it would help me. But since I'm a person who is very literal, I tend to not understand the metaphors and symbolism in poetry. Anyway, are some ditties I wrote back in 1989. I'm not what they would be classified as, probably haiku, even though in English the 17 syllables don't work as they do in Japanese:

Milkwood pods in meadows Split open and release Tiny ballerinas Dancing on the breeze.

Gray water, gray sky. Sunbeams pierce the clouds And toss Jewels on the water.

Quiet pool; A dragonfly Leaves rings that meet and melt In the reflected sky.

Waves and foam roll in, Lapping up Footprints in the sand . . . . as though they never were.

Our little daughter on a swing, "Higher daddy! Push me high. I want to be a butterfly."

MountainGal
February 9, 2002 - 04:46 pm
The program changed my lines, and so these don't come out the way they really should with new lines where I had them. Sorry about that. Hope they are readable anyway. LOL

viogert
February 10, 2002 - 01:16 am
MALRYN
For those of us with other childhood traumas we've grown around - like a big corn - your experiences reminded me of that Chinese saying "I grumbled because I had no shoes until I saw a man with no feet".

Keep going with the sonnets & please let us share - make them lucid . . .

3kings
February 10, 2002 - 01:57 am
MOUNTAIN GAL I like those " Haiku ", that you posted for us. I too, am 'literal' minded, like you, and like poetry which has clear meaning to me. Poems which contain simple truths, but beautifully expressed. Have you anymore pieces you could share with us?-- Trevor

annafair
February 10, 2002 - 10:48 pm
Loved the haikus,,,,each one a jewel in itself.

I also appreciate all comments on any subject.Sharing life expierences opens the door to understanding. Everyone becomes more real when we know something about them and often helps explain a poem they share.

One member of the state poetry society feels my poems are museum pieces. Often they ryhme and portray a life from the past instead of the present. I have never said to him but my past was good. I cant write about things I have never expierenced or even thought.

Well I have to go to bed ..being a NANA to two lively grandchildren is really EXHAUSTING>>.have a great day ..keep writing and sharing..anna

Ginny
February 12, 2002 - 06:44 am


Here is a poem which was quoted in the current Book Club Online discussion A House for Mr. Biswas. I think it's quite provocative, and would like to see what YOU all think of it, here's what Rita, who submitted this poem to our attention, said of it:

"As someone mentioned, lord knows what interpretations our own children will make about us! lol I once quoted a poem to my son's girlfriend." ---Rita--- The poem was:
================================= To My Child
By Anne Campbell



You are the trip I did not take;
You are the pearls I cannot buy;
You are my blue Italian lake;
You are my piece of foreign sky.

================================= Rita continues, "I thought the poem expressed love. The girlfriend said it was a complaint about the sacrifices the mother had made for her son! We mothers can't win no how! lol "



OK Poetry Mavens, what do YOU say this poem expresses? Isn't it interesting how different people "see" different things in a poem?

What do you think?

ginny

xxxxx
February 12, 2002 - 07:47 am
I think your son's girlfriend was a little dense...or self-defensive.

It seems very clearly to be a poem of love, much like the story from Roman history about the matron Cornealia. She was visited by a friend who displayed all of her fine jewels, then Cornealia called her children and said, "These are my jewels."

Jack

MountainGal
February 12, 2002 - 10:23 am
expressed perfectly the self-centered attitude people have today. Sacrifice is not something that's appreciated, especially by a mother, because we've forgotten how. The younger generation seems to appreciate the competitive, win-at-almost-all-cost in puruit of the good life person and thinks self-sacrifice is stupid and backward. Instead of sensing the love for her child in that poem, she translated it as complaint, which is just what the younger generation does. Isn't it amazing how meanings change?

Ginny
February 12, 2002 - 10:46 am
Super perspectives, Jack and MountainGal, and keep them coming, Everybody, I've already learned a good bit!

Just one small correction, the "son's girlfriend" was a reference by Rita, not me?

One of my sons is married, don't think his wife would appreciate that, hahaahha and the other is not seeing anybody at this time, that was Rita's post referred to, sorry I was not clear, I'll go fix it, what do the rest of you all think?

ginny

viogert
February 12, 2002 - 11:10 am
Demeter


Where I lived - winter and hard earth.
I sat in my cold stone room
choosing tough words, granite, flint,


to break the ice. My broken heart -
I tried that, but it skimmed,
flat, over the frozen lake.


She came from a long,long way,
but I saw her at last, walking,
my daughter, my girl, across the fields,


in bare feet, bringing all the spring's flowers
to her mother's house. I swear
the air softened and warmed as she moved,


the blue sky smiling none too soon,
with the small shy mouth of a new moon.


Carol Ann Duffy
From "The World's Wife" (Picador 1999)

annafair
February 13, 2002 - 07:43 am
I loved both and they both expressed love of children. Deep love and until you are a mother I am not sure you can know how deeply you can love a child.

My youngest did a complete about face when she became a mother. Not that she wasnt loving or caring but there was always a bit of unspoken criticism in her attitude. After her children came along she has been HOW DID YOU DO IT MOM? She appreciates all the little and sometimes big things we do for our children.

So the remark by the young person is not too out of line. And to be honest I can say truthfully I wasnt truly appreciative of my family until I became a senior lady. If you have a great home life you think everyone else does too and you think that is the way it is supposed to be. Doesnt make you always appreciative of what they had to give up to care for you.

Well I am off to get my house in order ...since that is a never ending chore I am always behind..I did take my Christmas tree down yesterday and it is in boxes for my son to carry to the garage.

Seems there ought to be a poem in that !

smiles across the miles...anna

robert b. iadeluca
February 14, 2002 - 06:19 am
In the group discussing Durant's "The Story of Civilization," we are in Judea at the moment and currently discussing the beautiful lyrical poetry in the Old Testament. We are not discussing "religion." Please come visit us by clicking onto LYRICAL POETRY and share some of your thoughts. You might want to give some examples. Be sure to click onto the "Subscribe" button when you get there.

Robby

annafair
February 14, 2002 - 08:49 am
 
DUST	MOTES  

captured by a random ray of light trickling through a torn and shattered shade a corps de ballet of dust motes gracefully took flight they floated in the bright beam dressed in tiny twinkling gowns their pirouettes thier leaps defying gravity it would seem alas the sun removed its golden ray abandoned them to a dim drab grey impoverished them along with me left us h a n g i n g on a dreary day
 

anna alexander Oct 14,2000 all rights reserved

annafair
February 14, 2002 - 08:56 am
Many many thanks to MaryPage who had been kind enough to help me post poems here. THAT I AM NOT TOO BRIGHT AT FOLLOWING DIRECTIONS is not anyone's fault. I think it may be genetic! MaryPage sent me instructions some time ago and I printed them out and put them someplace so I would know where they were. Of course when I wanted to post my poem earlier this am I couldnt get it to DO RIGHT!

MaryPage thank you so much, so very much...anna

annafair
February 14, 2002 - 09:06 am
HAPPY VALENTINE DAY TO ALL

MountainGal
February 14, 2002 - 10:05 am
I've often watched dustmotes in the sunlight, and you've described them so well. How they dance when the sun shines and turn dull when the sun goes away. Just like us human beings when we are loved and when love goes away----exactly, to be left hanging in a gray nothingness. Thank you. It's a lovely little poem.

xxxxx
February 14, 2002 - 11:05 am
Annafair, your lovely poem made me think/see dust motes as something like the ghosts of fireflies.

Jack

Malryn (Mal)
February 16, 2002 - 11:25 am
March



No room for kites in his life,

he struggles home, bending

against the wind. Dark trees

lean down in the night.

He picks up pages of the Globe

pasted to the fence, wishing

for a light to lead him in.

Unlocking the door to

cold blackness in the hall,

no friendly bark, only

howls around the eaves,

he shivers, whistles once. His

friend drowsily licks his hand,

begs to go out. Together they

confront the wind. Back again


to light a fire, make some tea,

and wait for Spring.



Marilyn Freeman
All rights reserved
© 2002

Malryn (Mal)
February 17, 2002 - 10:57 am
The March-April-May issue of the m.e.stubbs poetry journal is on the web at http://www.sonatapub.com/stubbs.htm. Among the many poets whose work you'll find the on these pages is Annafair, whose poem "Dust Motes" I took from these pages and published. There is a photograph by SeniorNet photographer, Dapphne Laurel, on the About the Poets page. Be sure to look at it, too.

Malryn (Mal)
February 17, 2002 - 11:50 am
Fickle Fae



What a flirtatious girl she is,
daffodils and jonquils behind her ear.
She skips through yearning winter fields
lined with fragile, small, red maple buds.



Turns her back on the South wind,
shivers, folds her arms tight around her.
Sticks out her tongue to catch snowflakes
and says with a pout, "I told you so."



Tears in her eyes, she looks down
at cold hands one minute, beams warm
at the sun the next, only to frown when
a snap of cold wind tangles her hair.



Inconsistent, unpredictable she is,
this fickle, fey girl whose name is Spring.



Marilyn Freeman
All rights reserved
© 2002

annafair
February 17, 2002 - 03:36 pm
Mal you caught fickle spring so well...and I loved the painting along with Dust Motes ...I think I may of been thinking of the same when I watched them dancing in the light of that room. I was visiting out of town with friends and was invited to use her sewing room...which had a wonderful bed as long as you avoided the patterns and fabrics on her sewing desk..how like my own it was!

The shade was old and I awoke to find those wonderful dust motes dancing in the sunlight...as I said alas the day gave way to grey skies and I felt like snuggling under the bed's comforter but the dust motes still danced in my head and instead I dressed and using my lap top put my thoughts in the computer.

Thanks for honoring them with real ballerina's///anna

Malryn (Mal)
February 17, 2002 - 05:02 pm
I'm glad you like your page in the m.e.stubbs poetry journal, Anna. Guess I'm longing for Spring. I went in my word processor to work on my new novel and Fickle Fae is what came out!

Mal

MountainGal
February 18, 2002 - 10:44 am
Isn't it amazing how words can give you a feeling as though you are really there? Portray an emotion you've felt but never knew how to express? That's the thing about any of the arts, and poetry especially---the sensitivity you need to see it first of all, and then express it in language so others can see and feel it. I felt the loneliness and I felt fickle spring. How lovely!!!!!!

MountainGal
February 19, 2002 - 01:06 am
and there is romance in the air between two people called Plowman and Wolverine. If any of you know them, here is a poem I wrote in their honor. I'm not sure I'll meet them there again soon. I was playing since I like to play and it's certainly not great poetry, just sort of amusing:

I know a guy and gal who met
At a place called Seniornet.
Two points of light in the galaxy
Who met in a place in a Cybersea.


It seems her bits of pheremone
Triggered his bytes of testosterone;
And I hear right from the start
He scrolled himself into her heart.


Now each of us can plainly see
That this is just modern alchemy.
And I wonder if we'll soon be guests
At a cyber wedding fest.


In a pretty cyber church,
With scented cyber flowers,
Some pretty cyber flower girls
With pretty cyber hair in curls.


With a cyber best man to assist them,
And a cyber preacher to bless them.
And while the cyber organ plays
The guests will appear in their best PJ's.


Taking cyber photos will be such fun
In a big round cyber sun,
And won't it be nice
To throw cyber rice?


And attend the cyber reception
In a swanky cyber hotel?
And my head just begins to swoon
When contemplating that utterly romantic cyber honeymoon.

annafair
February 19, 2002 - 01:36 pm
What a wonderful CYBER POEM...I have been in seniornet now for seven years! My goodness has it really been that long? In that time I have known any number of cyber romances and thankfully most have survived and been a blessing to those involved. I am sitting here chuckling at your poem...OH MY ...a delightful one to greet me fresh from a night of misery due to the extraction of two front teeth yesterday.

Although they stopped bleeding about 3 hours later and although I have swallowed copious glasses of cold water my jaw is still sore to touch and my in my mouth is the taste of OLD BLOOD>>gross..sorry I am laughing again ..and your poem cheered me so! thanks..anna

annafair
February 19, 2002 - 01:41 pm
Mal of course your poem about spring would take precedence over anything else! When I first started writing poetry it consumed me. Once asked why I wrote ..I said because I cannot not write.

Although I am not as chained as in the beginning I will awaken in the night and a poem will be pushing me to get out of bed and put it right!

Anything can start its birth but I know one thing ...it wont wait nine months to be born! ...anna

wolverine
February 19, 2002 - 02:48 pm

wolverine
February 19, 2002 - 02:52 pm
Mountain Gal - How can I say how much I enjoyed your poem about cyber romance? How creative you are, and how imaginative...And your use of language is just a delight....Thank you from my heart of hearts...Your new chat friend, wolverine

annafair
February 22, 2002 - 07:47 am
OH My you are one of the inspirations for Mountain Gals poem and you are so right it was a clever and delightful poem...We welcome you and hope you will stop by often and say hello. ....anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
February 23, 2002 - 06:39 am
Spring - cyber romance - the poems have been wonderful - after a long dry spell I finally put one together last night.
Last night the marsh still with cold
slept vague to the wilds of spring.

A hurrying sound of wind
whirrs fast the silver sky fierce
across the creek's overflow
past the roots of dim gray wood.

My spirit is drawn to soar
on northern wings that rattle
brown curls chattering free ride
wide swelling earth and stream.

Shallow water creeps where stirs
marsh grass ‘neath the tangled hedge
of roots and sod sheltering
stems and shoots of salt willow

Far above trees in quiet
reach emboss the looping light
with woven braid of oak and
vine hush gloom in the wild wood

Broad creek-rocks hold a chorus
of ancient memory rumble
within, like a cherry stone
poised by the rustle of the stream

I shall hasten lest my feet
awaken the paving-stones
and climb the hillside lispers
still murmuring songs of storms

On the cliff beneath the oak
I wonder what is heard when
Spring does shimmer the stirring
marsh upwind through the wood

Is the ancient’s frozen breath
the fast winged norther
bending the blades of marsh grass
overheard in my beating breast.

Tonight, the marsh stirred by wind
wakes clear to the wilds of spring.

annafair
February 25, 2002 - 06:01 am
How I wish ...you have written a wonderful poem ...but our weatherman predicts 22 degrees by Wed and my daffodils are in full bloom I will bring them in today to enjoy thier golden light..for if I let them stay they will die in that cold night...spring here is teetering and doesnt know which way to go....if SHE wants my advice she will chase winter away ...and bring us warmer days.

Off to get some provisions for my larder ...everyone have a great day and keep those poems, your own or your favorite poet coming....anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
February 25, 2002 - 09:23 am
Oh yes Anna that is exactly what Spring does - I have never understood the concept of this sweet lovely Spring but then by the time we are covered in wild flowers, which here are as thick as trees are in other areas of the country, the weather has turned quite warm but we still have thunder showers that can flood us out in a New York minute as we say.

All this wiid uncertainty has been my view of Spring especially remembering my childhood when my mother made us the most wonderful Easter dresses and we ended up having to put some old jacket or coat on over our joy because the weather had turned. Oh talk about disappointment - So Spring to me is wild, unpredictable, after it wakes from the stillness. Then it is like as if Spring knows clearly that it has us by the heals and continues to play tormenting us with warm and cold.

And yes, it looks like I will be bringing in my pots and pots of flower starts today - they say it will be the coldest cold front of the year. Even the deer know what is coming - I had 14 of every age in my yard last night nibbling anything green they could find - they do not come on my patio and that is where I keep my pots. If my starts were in bloom I think they would have risked just to get at the blooms.

Stay warm -

Malryn (Mal)
February 25, 2002 - 10:02 am
A beautiful poem, Barbara. I wish you'd let me publish some of your poetry in the
m.e.stubbs poetry journal sometime.

Mal

viogert
February 27, 2002 - 12:02 pm
Warning


When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat which doesn't go, and doesn't suit me
And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals, and say we've got no money for butter.


I shall sit down on the pavement when I am tired
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
And run my stick along the public railings.
And make up for the sobriety of my youth


I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other people's gardens
And learn to spit


You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat
And eat three pounds of sausages at a go
Or only bread and pickle for a week
And hoard pens and pencils and beermats and things in boxes


But now we must have clothes that keep us dry
And pay our rent and not swear in the street
And set a good example for the children.
We will have friends to dinner and read the papers.


But maybe I ought to practice a little now?
So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised
When suddenly I am old and start to wear purple.


Jenny Joseph (1932 - )


p.s. The poet is now 70. I wonder if she's doing all this stuff?

Barbara St. Aubrey
February 27, 2002 - 02:18 pm
Hehe I love it - Along those same lines I have this long narrow poster in my office room that reads
If
I had
my life
to live over...

If I had my life to live over, I'd dare to
make more mistakes next time. I'd
relax, I would limber up. I would be
sillier than I have been this trip. I
would take few things seriously.
I would take more chances. I would
climb more mountains and swim more
rivers. I would eat more ice cream and less
beans. I would perhaps have more actual
troubles, but I'd have fewer imaginary ones.

You see, I'm one of those people who
live sensibly and sanely hour
after hour, day after
day. Oh, I've had my
moments and if I had it
to do over again, I'd have
more of them. In fact, I'd try to
have nothing else. Just moments, one
after another, instead of living
so many years ahead of each
day. I've been one of those persons
who never goes anywhere without a
thermometer, a hot water bottle, a
raincoat and a parachute. If I had it
to do again I would travel
lighter than I have.

If I had my life to live over, I
would start barefoot earlier in the
spring and stay that way later in the
fall. I would go to more dances. I would
ride more merry-go-rounds.

I would pick more daisies.

Nadine Stair
85 years old

I love the metephores
...without a
thermometer, a hot water bottle, a
raincoat and a parachute...
the checking if those in my presense were ok, comforting so many but seldom myself, trying to secure protection in case of any contingency - oh my what I would drag along just to go on a short car trip.

Malryn my oh my - but, but, but, I do not seem to write ahead - I seem to come up with things as they are currently affecting my senses. Your publication is already out about spring and I have not even experienced summer in my head or heart yet. But yes, I would be honored and what an honor it would be.

Malryn (Mal)
February 27, 2002 - 10:42 pm
Thank you, Barbara. Seasons are not important in the m.e.stubbs poetry journal or Sonata magazine for the arts, and it will be a pleasure to publish your poetry.

Mal

annafair
February 28, 2002 - 03:29 pm
So glad you posted the poems ..In my kitchen I have a framed copy of When I am an old women. In a local senior paper was a picture of ladies who belong to The Red Hat Society. They have luncheons and get togethers and they all wear RED HATS and each meeting begins with a reading of that poem.

I would bet anything if they had the other one they would read it as well.

Barbara so good of you to accede to Mal's request. Your poetry deserves wider recognition and many I know read her on line publishing. And Mal is right poetry doesnt recognize seasons. It just is. While I remember the words to Wordsworth's poem I wandered lonely as a cloud That floats on high o'er vales and hills, When all at once I saw a crowd, A host of golden daffodils ....it cheers me regardless of the season or whether there is a daffodil in sight.

So good for all of us..who write, who read, who remember, who just enjoy poetry...anna

Marilyne
February 28, 2002 - 09:56 pm
This little poem is very special to me, but will always remain somewhat of a mystery. When my mother died in 1975, (she was 66 at the time), I found this poem tucked into a corner of her jewelry box. It appears to have been cut out of a magazine. I could tell by the yellowing and fragile thinness of the paper, that it had been around for a long time, and that she had unfolded it and read it many times. Ah, the things we never knew and now will never know, about our mothers!

Now 27 years later, it is tucked in my jewelry box - but is barely readable and in two pieces instead of one! Someday, maybe one of my daughters will find it there and wonder about it?

WISDOM

If I could only feel again
In the old way,
When living had a core of fire,
And such beauty lay
Over hill and tree
That it was like a flame to me.

If only I could love again
In the old way,
Lapped and wrapped and folded in it
By night and by day,
I'd never mourn this wisdom lost,
That settles on me like a frost.

annafair
March 1, 2002 - 08:08 am
I invite all of the poets and poetry lovers here to visit the discussion on Edna St Vincent Millay. You will find it under Savage Beauty in Books and Literature.

She was a favorite of mine and I must say my concept of what I thought she was and the reality of what she was has been an eye opener.

Dont stop coming here but for some you might enjoy both discussions. And I feel I would be remiss not to mention that new study of famous poet. .........anna

viogert
March 2, 2002 - 09:35 am
Annafair. I will, I will.

Found this in today's paper - there's a new biog about him just come out.

"To My Mother"

Most near, most dear, most loved and most far;
Under the window where I often found her
Sitting as huge as Asia, seismic with laughter;
Gin and chicken helpless in her Irish hand,
Irresistable as Rabelais.


George Barker (1913 - 1998)

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 2, 2002 - 11:32 pm
OH that is wonderful - never heard of Barker but what a wounderful image - thanks for finding and sharing that one - "seismic with laughter" I love it.

Marilyne what a poignent little poem - made my heart want to bleed.

OK here is my latest
While I roamed the creek trail the softened edge
of spring scored the wet earth with last night’s tracks
I followed, my foot in the low hollow
became like the deer drinking cold water.

In the sunlight glow pointed my footstep
down the bank edging the burble sparkle
a shadowed isle of new green onion grass
hung in my shoe lacing the galaxy.

While I roamed the swampland beneath rustling
cattails swaying over the shadowed bog
I chased each secret tuft of heart shaped leaves
picked as my eyes shone on each jewell’d violet.

In the blue unclouded weather I walked
home dazzling like the sun through the tall grass
You’ve been in the swamp again Mom said
hung on your shoe is new green onion grass

While I roamed my thoughts the treasured forest
sounds of a summer night surround the open
flapped tent where I lay on my cot smiling
we’ve un-wrapped the camp as mother’s before.

Out of the star filled night from the river
side running fast hooves snap a tree branch like
the wind a yearling arched through our tent
hung on his hoof is new green onion grass

While we roamed the mountain side trail not a
cricket to celabrate our treck is heard
above the rising and dropping wild foam
rushing past bridges of mute brown boulders

At seven he clambered quick the steep bank
Gra'ma your hand this Beowulf assured me
our song his mother heard memory hung on
new green onion grass tied to our shoes.

annafair
March 3, 2002 - 02:12 pm
Thanks so much for the introduction to Charles Barker and oh my I love that lady ...She was not my mother but an Italian mother I once knew,

Barbara you have such a gift ...I cant tell you how that poem affects me but it has painted pictures in my heart...Thanks to both of you..anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 4, 2002 - 01:52 am
Didn't entend to repeat this but I had to work on it and after you said something Anna I just couldn't delete my original, which is what I intended, or your post would have looked strange - thanks for the Kado's. Here it is with a few more of the pesky ing words gone as well as, a few changes for alliteration and similarity.
While I roamed the creek trail the softened edge
of spring scored the wet earth with last night’s
tracks I followed my foot in the hollow
became like the deer supping cold water.

In the sunlight glow pointed my footstep
down the bank binding the burble sparkle
a shadowed isle of new green onion grass
hung in my shoe laces the galaxy.

While I roamed the swampland beneath a wave
of cattail rustle over the shadowed
bog, I chased each secret tuft of heart shaped
leaves picked where shone each jewell'd violet

In the blue unclouded weather I walked
home dazzling like the sun through the tall grass.
"You’ve been in the swamp again" Mom said,
"hung in your shoe is new green onion grass."

While I roamed my thoughts the treasured forest
sounds of a summer night surround the open
flapped tent where I lay on my cot smiling,
we’ve un-wrapped the camp as mother’s before.

Out of the star filled night from the river
side running fast hooves snap a tree branch like
the wind a yearling arced through our tent
hung on his hoof is new green onion grass.

While we roamed the mountain side trail not a
cricket to celabrate our treck is heard
above the rise and drop of wild white foam
rushing past bridges of mute brown boulders.

At seven he clambered quick the steep bank
"Gra'ma your hand" this Beowulf assured me
our song his mother heard memory hung on
new green onion grass tied our galaxy.

annafair
March 4, 2002 - 08:04 am
Either way it works ....I do think the improved verse is slightly better but to me poetry doesnt have to be perfect to move me....Sometimes I will return to a poem I have written a long time ago and see a few changes would make it better than I do that and I am happier for doing so....

take care all and have a great day...anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 4, 2002 - 11:12 am
Yes Anna, that is what I am noticing as we grow in our skill - writing is different than doing a water color where once completed that is it unless, you want to start over. You still can tinker with an oil and add to a polymer but the changes after time seem less important where as this business of words especially words that are trying to convey a feeling and metaphor - some day I would love to have the skill for a phrase like "and the crying of the frogs." or "Sitting as huge as Asia, seismic with laughter;"

MountainGal
March 5, 2002 - 05:39 pm
"seismic with laughter". I can just picture it in my head, what it would look like and how delightful such a person would be. It's a picture painted with words.

annafair
March 6, 2002 - 10:50 am
Isnt that the truth? and like Barbara I would love to write poetry that sings. I am fond of what I write because it expresses the me no one sees and in some cases the me I dont and cant share with just anyone.

I once shared a poem with someone who asked me to do so...and her comment was How Cute! Now I have to confess that almost made me barf!!

Thank goodness I do have friends who enjoy my poetry and whom I share many with. She is a friend from my childhood ..we were 3 years old and met in Sunday School. She lives near Atlanta and I send her copies of poems I think she will enjoy and she has written how moved she is or how much she enjoys just sitting and re reading them. We talk on the phone ..I have all those wonderful free minutes...and it is special to be able to say to someone remember this or that and Have them KNOW what I am speaking about.

Off I am to eat some lunch. I have had ..maybe still have something and have been running a slight temperature with aching sinus etc...of course the weather has not cooperated with one day plunging to the teens at night and the next rising to the high 60;s by day...

OH SPRING PLEASE COME >>>anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 6, 2002 - 02:36 pm
hehehe Anna I would say Spring Has Come - the wilds of Spring rather than the soft Spring we enjoy with blooms and clouds and red birds singing from the trees.

MountainGal
March 6, 2002 - 06:56 pm
"Never share your poem with a non-poet." And as we are discussing under the "Savage Beauty" thread, there are people who just don't have a sensitivity to art or beauty. They are all practical and business-like and can't see what you see and don't see the necessity for expressing it. In fact, most of our contemporary society is like that. When you show them your poem you get the same reaction that a child does when it brings a wilted bouquet of flowers to her mother and mother refers to them as weeds (Millay wrote a poem about that too). It hurts. As a painter I feel that way about my paintings. Until I'm ready to actually sell them and let them go out into the world for release I don't share them with just anybody, and I seldom share my sketchbooks, because only another artist would understand those, with their cryptic and sometimes very crudely-drawn pictures and notes on the most ordinary things that are intriguing miracles to me. But when you find someone who is on your same wave-length---my, what a wonder and joy they are!

xxxxx
March 6, 2002 - 07:33 pm
Mountain Girl, I agree with you 100%. So many people "don't get it," i.e. they don't see beyond a kind of surface that is (or isn't) a reflection what they already expect.

There are of course those special "soul mates", I guess you could call them, who are so willing to let go that you can let them into the process of your work/creation. Rare though, I think.

I was in a writing workshop for senior for several years, and even there about a quarter of the people were lunkheads in how they approached the work of others.

Jack

3kings
March 7, 2002 - 01:42 am
OLD WOMAN

The years have stolen
all her loveliness,
her days are fallen
in the long wet grass
like petals broken
from the lilac blossom,
when the winds have shaken
its tangled bosom.

Her youth like a dim
cathedral lies
under the seas
of her life's long dream,
yet she hears still
in her heart, sometimes,
the far, sweet chimes
of a sunken bell.

A.R.D. Fairburn

viogert
March 7, 2002 - 04:06 am
This poet who wrote the poem "To My Mother", had 19 children to different women. He had several children by Elizabeth Smart who wrote "By Grand Central Station I Sat Down and Wept".

There is a new biograph of Barker that was reviewed last week where the critic wrote: "Nobody deliberately chooses the company of poets". I wonder what he meant?

annafair
March 7, 2002 - 06:09 pm
And enjoy your sharing of poems that speak to you .....Three Kings I can relate to that poem but the wonder of poetry is it will take you any place you want to go. Today a poem about an old woman makes me feel what she has lost but also what remains.

I once wrote a poem comparing people to trees ..how we start as saplings and then grow to maturity and now we are old but still within the ancient tree remains "The Rings of Spring" So poetry blesses me..it comforts me now and allows me to live my life again. I feel a sorrow for those who do not feel life that ....

anna

annafair
March 7, 2002 - 06:15 pm
I have no idea what the critic meant ..but since I seldom agree with most critics and find them self serving and decidely annoying and pompous. Didnt someone once say If you cant you criticize? If not then it should be engraved in stone and hung about the neck of most critics..

For me give me the company of poets and artists and writers of prose For they tell me what the heart and soul knows ......

anna who is Blessed by knowing each of you ....

3kings
March 8, 2002 - 01:54 am
FARMHAND

You will see him light a cigarette
At the hall door careless, leaning his back
Against the wall, or telling some new joke
To a friend, or looking out into the secret night.

But always his eyes turn
To the dance floor and the girls drifting like flowers
Before the music that tears
Slowly in his mind an old wound open.

His red sunburnt face and hairy hands
Were not made for dancing or love making
But rather the earth-wave breaking
To the plough, and crops slow-growing as his mind.

He has no girl to run her fingers through
His sandy hair, and giggle at his side
When Sunday couples walk. Instead
He has his awkward hopes, his envious dreams to yarn to.

But ah in harvest watch him
forking stooks, effortless and strong--
Or listening like a lover to the song
Clear, without fault, of a new tractor engine.

James K. Baxter

annafair
March 8, 2002 - 07:24 am
3Kings is that a powerful poem....the end was a surprise but so perfect it hits you right between the eyes and touches your soul. Thanks again for sharing...I have to run as I have tasks this am that are calling me to be done...take care everyone....anna

xxxxx
March 9, 2002 - 01:15 am
I came across this short poem, and I was taken by it like seeing a snapshot or a postcard of emotion. It is by the ancient Greek poetess, Sappho.

Afraid of losing you

I ran fluttering
like a little girl
after her mother

viogert
March 9, 2002 - 01:26 am
3Kings. Hadn't heard of this poet - he's very good isn't he? ". . . the earth-wave breaking to the plough" describes the same action as the shore waves. It's brilliant. Seamus Heaney, when he was young, wrote a poem about a farm boy that had a similar kind of anguish - I'll post it if I can find it.

viogert
March 9, 2002 - 01:34 am
Kexvu. . . . . that Sappho poem is so lovely - I gave a great laugh. I hadn't seen it before. Some short poems detonate all manner of emotions in me that I didn't realise were explosive.


Like Judy Grahn's:


".. . . Many years back
a woman of strong purpose
passed through this section
and everything else tried to follow"

MountainGal
March 9, 2002 - 02:15 pm
lunkheads made me laugh out loud. Yes, the world is filled with lunkheads, but I guess we are all lunkheads in some areas. However, I do believe that our educational system has failed us in not teaching the classics anymore, and when the budget is tight the first thing to be eliminated is the arts. That insinuates that the arts are unimportant, and that's the impression kids get. Add to that our hurried, chronically entertained, instant-gratification, materialistic society, and people put the arts on the back burner. It's actually sad to me because I think without creativity such as is engendered in the arts, the society will eventually die. Hopefully there will be enough of us out here who stay sensitive and creative to have some kind of impact, even if it isn't appreciated in our own lifetime or in our particular social milieu.

It even seems that sports and making money and looking good are everything; and having an intelligent conversation is secondary. Alas, it's been a long time since I've had the opportunity of intelligent conversation with anyone; which is why I come to SerniorNet because, with a few exceptions, the conversations here are intelligent and thoughtful. Have you noticed that almost any commentary made these days is taken as a personal attack, when it's nothing of the kind? You may be speaking in "general" or about social philosophy, and people take it personally, and of course, once that happens there is no more give and take and no problems ever get solved and no great or new ideas are born. It's almost as though people have no idea where their boundaries are, let alone where another person's boundaries are, and manners are atrocious which just causes more friction. And forget passion about anything! We are no longer allowed to be passionate----but must stay sophisticated and even and nonchalant. I long for passion (NOT sexual passion, that's not what I mean) but passion about life and issues and ideas. There seems to be so little of it around these days. At least we can still find all those things in books, which is why I love them so much---ideas, thoughtfulness, passion, detail, creativity, are all there in the pages of books. No wonder we love them so.

annafair
March 10, 2002 - 06:50 am
No matter where we post everytime I see one of yours I know we will be in accord. I encourage my friends to visit seniornet and when I tell them how much pleasure I derive from the discussions here they look at me as if I have slippped over the edge into senility. But it is they who are missing out. For the most part they are still married and perhaps I understand why they hesitate to feel beyond what is their everyday life. They are afraid to be passionate about life and I understand that as well.

It is my hope before they die they will find that special place that art brings to us. For I would be pleased to know these I love and cherish would have the opportunity to move beyond what society has declared as proper.

anna

annafair
March 10, 2002 - 06:59 am
My appreciation to each of you for sharing your poems and your thoughts,for all the gems you find to brighten a day or give pause for some serious thought. You are treasures better than gems or gold for with every word you give of your soul and your heart....I am flooded with your thoughts and ideas and when my day seems burdened with mundane things of life I know a visit here will make life aright....anna

viogert
March 10, 2002 - 09:41 am
Servant Boy

He is wintering out
the back-end of a bad year,
swinging a hurricane-lamp
through some outhouse;


a jobber among shadows.
Old work-whore,slave-
blood,who stepped fair hills
under each bidder's eye


and kept your patience
and your counsel, how
your draw me into
your trail. Your trail


broken from haggard to stable,
a straggle of fodder
stiffened on snow,
comes first-footing


the back doors of the little
barons: resentful
and impenitent,
carrying the warm eggs.


Seamus Heaney

MountainGal
March 11, 2002 - 04:12 pm
It's called "The Practice of Poetry" --Writing Exercises from Poets Who Teach, by Robin Behn and Chase Twichell. There are too many creative exercises in it to count, but they all get the creative juices flowing. I just tried one in which the assignment was to describe "a particular member of a group or set" with the challenge being to perceive the qualities of the group and to distinguish what makes the individual member of that group both a part of it and apart from it. Here are some I came up with, which are NOT refined and are just preliminary play and only a seed to perhaps elaborate on in the future. If you like to write poetry, try it; it's fun and it doesn't have to rhyme. I think personally in poetry the rhythm of the words is more important than rhyming:

A flock of sparrows
On the winter grasses
Where I had strewn seeds.
They cavort and quarrel,
And gossip in the cold.
One sits silent
On the fringes,
Hunched, with feathers ruffled
Like a little gray ball.
Has he had a hard winter?
And like me,
Is he longing for spring?


On my knees in the garden
I watch the robins come and go,
But one stops by to say hello;
Not coming quite near,
But near enough
To tell me he remembers me?
Is that the one who fell
From the nest last year?
The one I rescued from the cat?
See, he seems to say, I'm alive!
And then cocks his head to one side
As if listening for a response.
Well hello Robin, I say,
I hope you are having
An adventurous life
And a lovely day!


She kicks her legs with gusto
In time to the song,
Dazzling smile, beautiful teeth,
In a whirl of feathers and spangles.
But she can tell,
No use denying
That her body is no longer
What it used to be.
She never made it as a star
The way she thought she would
While she was young
And full of hope.
What will she do
When she's given her pink slip,
And is no longer in a chorus line?

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 11, 2002 - 07:17 pm
Oh wonderful mountaingal - a pure delight.

annafair
March 11, 2002 - 09:45 pm
Mountain Gal you did well but the last one really touched me....and isnt it surprising what we come up when we have an assignment? My poetry classes were large for something so intimate as poetry ..15-23 people in a class. Because we were learning different forms we were sometimes asked to try to write a poem about the same subject. It always amazed me to see how different we interpreted the word or idea...

Thanks again for sharing ...gee I am so tired ..a long day ...anna

3kings
March 13, 2002 - 01:07 am
FARMYARD

He made a place in his dream for the pines to grow,
He saw their shadows lengthening, as now
In the slanting sun they lengthen, the house absorbing
This still coolness; he saw the dogs asleep
Each in the shade of its kennel; weathered shafts
Resting on the ground, and big wheels resting.

The giant trees he saw spring from his hand,
And made a place in the air for them to grow,
A place for the low white house in their deep shelter;
But now if he could enter as once he entered
This cool yard, the dogs would suddenly rise,
Their barking shatter the dream and the sleepy stillness.

Nobody remembers him, the woman
Swinging her pail as she walks beneath great branches,
Going down through the shade to the cool swept cowshed,
The man on the dusty roadside bringing the cows;
They do not know they follow the paths he made
In a dream once for a man and a woman to follow.

This is the resting centre, leaf and flower
Have budded from the dream, the roots have grown,
The earth has accepted the roots and the burden of wheels,
All is fulfilled; only the man who saw
In seedlings in his hand this quiet hour,
Has passed from the dream, passed from the trees' long
shadows.

Ruth Dallas.

annafair
March 13, 2002 - 06:34 am
You always bring us such powerful poems...and although they speak often of things I have never known or gave thought to ..they always speak..which shows me how universal poetry is.

Hope you have a great day and thanks for your contributions to this conversation...anna

3kings
March 13, 2002 - 12:43 pm
ANNA I remembered that poem just last week, when I spent a day exploring the town where my parents started dairy farming in the summer of 1932. The farm house that my father built by himself that year still stands, looking just as it did from the memories of a four year old, as I then was. The trees he planted have grown strong and tall over the 70 years since he selected them.The people living there today never knew the man who designed and built the home and tree shaded garden they live in today, and so it all reminded me of that poem-- Trevor

annafair
March 13, 2002 - 01:50 pm
Thanks so much for telling why you remembered that poem. Today I have been remembering visiting an aunt and uncle who moved to a farm when they retired. Perhaps your poem nudged my memory. I have written a remebrance of that farm and once a poem about the privy on the hill but perhaps I should try a poem about it as well.

I was young when they moved there and the thing I remember most were the lilacs that framed the front door..It was an old house..at least the interior was..a log cabin built by pioneers in the late 1700's or very early 1800's and eventually covered with wooden siding and enlarged. The walls were at least twelve inches thick and the loft used years ago was mine when I visited ...it had a root cellar where my aunt stored milk and butter and fresh produce to keep ...Even in the heat of summer it was nearly cold there.

See your poem sent my mind back a good many years to a very enjoyable and happy time ..thank you again..anna

annafair
March 13, 2002 - 02:02 pm
It has rained ( welcome since we are under for last year) for nearly 48 hours..the best kind ..slow and steady, with drops sliding off the eaves so slow I call it soft rain.

Any way I have been wanting to write a poem about the acrobats in my back yard and here it is...

The Acrobats

How brave they are to work so far above the ground  
With agility and unusual grace they catch my eye. 
I watch them moving swiftly, deftly against the sky.  
On thinnest limbs they move to thinner still  
And when they reach a certain end they launch themselves  
In open air to land safely on another branch, 
To begin their journey once again 
 

No circus can equal these grey furred and bushy tailed acrobats 
My trees are tall, a hundred feet above the ground  
But that is where the nests of these furry talents can be found.  
In spring, they circle round and round, up and down  
Up and down in joyful mating rituals like funny, bushy clowns 
 

They run across my wooden fence,  leap over the gaps between.  
From my bird feeders they hang and cling with determination  
UPSIDE down. With contortions they strive to get the seed within  
And if by chance they miss a step, they just return again. 
They never seem to weary of their tasks nor lack for courage  
To race around their lofty playground of trees  
And play hide and seek  among the leaves
 

They are the acrobats in my own yard and I never have to pay. 
Well, perhaps in some dried corn and a few sunflower seeds  
Thrown their way. . They run with fear when my dog is near, 
At least I think that is the emotion they display. but secretly  
I believe they think,   I have a dog just to amuse them at their play.
 
anna alexander 3/13/2002 ©

Malryn (Mal)
March 13, 2002 - 07:55 pm
I love that poem, Anna.

Mal

Malryn (Mal)
March 13, 2002 - 08:01 pm



My books I'd fain cast off, I cannot read,
'Twixt every page my thoughts go stray at large
Down in the meadow, where is richer feed,
And will not mind to hit their proper targe.
Plutarch was good, and so was Homer too,
Our Shakespeare's life were rich to live again,
What Plutarch read, that was not good nor true,
Nor Shakespeare's books, unless his books were men.
Here while I lie beneath this walnut bough,
What care I for the Greeks or for Troy town,
If juster battles are enacted now
Between the ants upon this hummock's crown?
Bid Homer wait till I the issue learn,
If red or black the gods will favor most,
Or yonder Ajax will the phalanx turn,
Struggling to heave some rock against the host.
Tell Shakespeare to attend some leisure hour,
For now I've business with this drop of dew.



Henry David Thoreau

From
A Walk on the Concord and Merrimack Rivers

annafair
March 13, 2002 - 08:23 pm
and I can understand Thoreau ... sometimes it is necessary to leave everything behind...and just become part of nature...my youngest son as a child was like that..I can still see his tow haired head bending over with his chin resting in his hands watching a caterpillar walk across the sidewalk and when I asked what he was doing ..He looked at me and said Just watching my friend.

Now your sharing that poem really evoked a memory ..thanks...anna

3kings
March 15, 2002 - 01:37 am
In a lighter mood, this piece of doggeral we used to sing, back in my Rugby, Racing, and Beer days. We used to judge how inebriated someone was by asking him to spell the piece’s name, which is:-

TAUMARUNUI

I’m an ordinary joker getting old before my time
For my heart's in Taumarunui on the Main Trunk Line.

You can get to Taumarunui going north or going south
And you end up there at midnight and you’ve cinders
in your mouth;

You got cinders in your whiskers and cinder in your eye,
So you hop off at Refreshments for a cupper tea and pie
In Taumarunui, Taumaranui, Taumaranui on the Main Trunk Line.

There’s a shiela in Refreshments and she’s pouring cupsa tea
And my heart jumps like a rabbit when she pours
a cup for me;
She’s got hair a flaming yellow and a mouth a flaming red
And I’ll love that flaming sheila till I’m up and gone
and dead
In Taumaranui, Taumaranui, Taumaranui on the Main
Trunk Line.

You can get a job in Wellington or get a job up north
But you can’t in Taumaranui though you try for all
You’re worth;
If I want to see this sheila, then I got to take a train;
Got ten minutes for refreshments then they cart me of
again
From Taumaranui, Taumaranui, Taumaranui on the Main Trunk Line.

Well, they took me on as fireman on the Limited Express,
And I thought she’d be jake but now it’s just a
flaming mess;
That sheila didn’t take to me; I thought she’d be a gift;
She’s gone and changed her duty hours and works the
daylight shift
In Taumaranui, Taumaranui, Taumaranui on the Main Trunk Line.

I’m an ordinary joker growing old before my time
For my heart's in Taumaranui on the Main Trunk Line.

Peter Cape.

annafair
March 15, 2002 - 05:12 am
thanks for that bit of song and sharing...I can almost hear a group of rowdy "boys" sing it and with such joy...When my husband and I dated and even after we married we were part of a lively group that did a lot of things together, hayrides, picnics, after game parties and singing was always such a part of it. And we had a lot of songs that everyone seemed to know so everyone participated. I wonder if young people do that now???

There are so few lyrics I find singable or enjoyable in today's music so I wonder if they will ever know the joy of being with a group and singing. Now that makes me sad...

anna

viogert
March 16, 2002 - 12:31 pm
3Kings.... what a smashing verse - the music's in there, just written down like that. A lot of songs like yours - like work songs & lullabies, eventually become a country's authentic folk music -- every community has them.


This was quoted in The New Yorker today:


"In our sleep, pain which cannot forget
falls drop by drop upon the heart until,
in our own despair, against our will,
comes wisdom through the awful
grace of God"


Aeschylus

annafair
March 19, 2002 - 09:21 am
This one was written in the middle of the night since it came to be after reading some passages from Savage Beauty. I dont think it shows me a good light but still it shows something in most of us....
 
When asked how my lost beloved treated me  
And my reply as an equal of course How else?  
Not for me to be wed with someone in unequal harness 
When he was not there to give me aid than a maid  
Employed for that task did do the onerous tasks 
My time was spent in other things, in raising sane  
Healthy children, in caring for the various pets  
In thinking and writing and reading the books  
That now line the shelves in each room or loll  
On the floor, on tables and beneath my bed  
Cousins to the dust kittens nestled  there 
If I encouraged him to follow his star than  
I demanded the right to give myself the same   
So in the end when he was home again and I  
Ignored the wifely tasks , the cooking and washing  
And spent my idle time engrossed in a favorite book  
He would not allow me to apologize but instead  
With a loving look said It is your day to do as you wish  

And sweetly I acquiesced and smiled my yes ....


anna alexander 3/19/2002©

xxxxx
March 19, 2002 - 09:52 am
Anna,

Don't know about putting you in a good or bad light; however, reading it is like looking at a series of snapshot in a personal album. But clearly this is one particular woman, one particular man, one particular relationship... I found it quite lovely.

There used to be (perhaps still is) an American painter last name of Koch who painted many interior scenes.......I loved his work, the NY Times book review section for awhile was addicted to using them as illustrations for their principal review on Sunday. Your images have the same quality as his paintings. I'll have to see if I can find out his last name, and if there are pix of his paintings on the web. In any case, quite a well-done piece of work, a kind of quiet enticement in the vignettes.

Jack

xxxxx
March 19, 2002 - 10:20 am
This is a web site that has a large number of his paintings - they begin with some of his party scenes and there are so many pages I did not go on very far. However, I was thinking of his wonderful intimate interiors and I'm sure they are there somewhere.

http://www.askart.com/imagegallery/PromotionalPage.asp?V1=&V2=&V3=&V4=&BEG=1&END=5&page=1&nextpage=1

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 19, 2002 - 12:12 pm
haven't been here in awhile but what a day to peek-in - Anna just wonderful and Jack said it all - the intimacy of the interior - of spirit, of mind, of home and the intimacy of a shared relationship and yet in its intimacy it takes in the whole - the universal spirit, mind, how we relate to each others gifts while living on this earth. Wonderful!

annafair
March 19, 2002 - 01:14 pm
And I clicked on the web site and found John Koch and his wonderful paintings. They look somewhat like some my in laws had from years ago. Sort of pastoral and allegorical ...little bits and pieces of life...thank you for giving us that link....by the way if anyone visits there remember it is John Koch for you will have to click on K and then a whole list of artists named K will appear and when you scroll down you will John Koch which will give you access to his works...there are 69 and you have to click on next or at least the next number...to view them all.

Poetry is something I always loved and enjoyed and dabbled a bit in but it requires quiet time and no sweet noises to do it justice. When my husband died that time arrived. Some friend even suggested that Bob went before so I could have the time ....which I dont agree with ...for while I am grateful for the muse I would forego all to have him here.

So it pleases me you feel it is lovely ..for while I thought it showed me very mortal in my attitude it was a lovely time ...and one that I cherish and always will ...for we were equal and we both gave to and gave up to make it work....thanks so much ...anna

xxxxx
March 20, 2002 - 12:14 am
My Aunt Marie, who loved me more than my own mother did, had been widowed as a very young woman. Her first husband had many problems and finally hanged himself, so it was a bitter tragedy. Much later, in mid-life, she married a very nice man with whom she was extremely happy. The finest tribute she ever gave to their relationship was when she said, "We weren't just husband and wife, we were friends." And it looked to be true.

It sounds as if you and your husband had that rare bond as well.

Jack

annafair
March 20, 2002 - 10:31 am
By the way I emailed you a note telling you how much I appreciate your comments and your hotmail address said you dont have an account and it was returned...just thought I would mention that in case someone wanted to email you a LOT OF MONEY >>> anna

xxxxx
March 20, 2002 - 11:36 am
I'd forgotten that I'd changed my email address. Thanks.

Jack

xxxxx
March 21, 2002 - 07:50 am
This short poem is from a collection of his entitled "Inner Land."

My eyelids are transparent theatre curtains
When I open them I see before me whatever happens to be there
When I close them I see before me whatever I desire.

Andreas Embirikos

annafair
March 21, 2002 - 08:04 am
Ahhh That is a beautiful poem and at least for me it is VERY true..thanks so much .....once I had somethng called labrynthitis...everything was upside down and I had terrible vertigo...and I felt like I was falling back into time and space ...and sometimes when I close my eyes my mind does the very same thing....a theater curtain rises and I am wherever I wish to be...and that is not an unhappy state. anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 22, 2002 - 04:23 am
Hehe spring silly caught me - Clint Black was on Austin City Limits with his wife who is a doll - and so a few of his song titles and a couple of quotes from the other Clint mixed up with some fun -
Clint and Mangoes
A pound of butter and you’re best coffee
where is that reciepe that takes...

Before you swoop and burst in upon these
pots and pans stop, my mood is black

I can turn out stuff Triumphant to Clint
Clint Black or is it Clint Eastwood

No apricot batter nor quince divine
will cascade from oven cuisine

But Darlin' its Spring time Tea and sweet cakes
my muffins are golden cream kissed

‘Put yourself in my shoes’ ‘You know it all’
‘I’ve seen nothin’ but the taillights’

‘Don’t catch this rain’ I’ll bake strawberry pie
and ‘try being reasonable’

‘A man's got to know his limitations’
up against syrups and mangos

‘Go ahead make my day’ here among the
raspberry and cherry surprise.

annafair
March 22, 2002 - 06:29 am
Ah your poem made me laugh ..just what I need on a day when the weatherman tells me we will have a hard freeze tonight ...augh

This is not the first time we have been betrayed his spring and so I am including a poem from a few weeks ago that will surely apply tonight ...anna

 
Oh Spring you are such a tease 
You bring soft breezes to my door, 
Cause the sun to beat against my window pane 
And brighten all the winter dark within. 
You make me open up my doors, 
And wake the bulbs asleep beneath the ground, 
Who bless me with their golden crowns. 
You tempt me to wear toeless shoes 
And leave off socks and heavy boots. 
You promise warmth and I take you at your word. 
Throw off my jackets and venture forth 
In summer slacks and sleeveless shirts. 
You dress my plum tree in its lacy gown 
And place sparks of light on brown clad ground. 

AND THEN ........ With a saucy air you leave, I must again turn on the heat. Search for the jackets I left behind. Cower indoors and seek the warmth Of my little stove and hide beneath the down Of winter comforters ....Oh spring why did you go? I am ready for you to stay ..and for cold and snow To depart and go away, at least, until the Fall. Now I seek to warm my heart With hot, hot tea and dry bread toast. I sit and pray for your return... and sigh, And sigh, and sigh!
anna alexander 3/9/02©

annafair
March 23, 2002 - 11:45 am
While I awoke to frost on my lawn and I fear my plum tree will be bereft of plums this year ..SPRING has arrived! The calendar says so and soon the whole world will ..well at least this part of the world...Trevor what season is it there???? has fall arrived >? and how does it change so you know it is fall? Leaves change? weather changes ?

I am taking a course on Understanding poetry on line from Barnes and Noble ..it begins April 1 and I will be giving everyone here a rundown on what I am learning.

I know I have taken a number of classes over the years at the local University but my hearing loss means I often miss something..NOW I am so Excited for I can SEE what is being said and can ask questions etc...

And if you are interested I will share what I am learning ..

I know many of you write poems yourself and I ask you to POST them If I have the nerve to post mine then you can do the same. Mine are not that great so you dont have to worry about yours and if yours are great we will all benefit.

And all of your favorite poems have certainly made a visit here worthwhile...

Today the sun is bright and cheerful and I feel like gamboling ..come gambol with me ...anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 23, 2002 - 01:36 pm
Good luck Anna - I tried to take that class last year but couldn't handle the lack of communication or acknowledgement offered - I think they need two in that forum - the teacher who seem to all be university professors active in the field they are teaching for B&N and another person to act as a site manager or welcoming committee or something. They asked for our goals for our signing on with the class and then nothing was said period. Well my sensitivities may be too expecting having been a part of seniornet where we are not ignored. At any rate after two sessions I turned to some books I found that tought me a bit more. I didn't think the books they had us purchase were that wonderful.

So I look forward to your sharing - hehe maybe I will learn through you what I couldn't in their cold climate.

annafair
March 23, 2002 - 02:16 pm
I hope if I can share it will be a warmer climate all around...I am interested in what you have said though. I notice there are two people mentioned but I am not sure how they interact. By the way did you ever complain to BnN ????

The notes from people who have taken it before were all positive...

In any case I will let YOU KNOW >>>anna

xxxxx
March 24, 2002 - 01:02 am
I had a garden apt. in the middle of Manhattan for many years, which I managed to turn into a true miniature forest. I had a cherry tree in it and one year the same thing happened - in April a freak blizzard right while the tree was in high bloom. However, come August it put out a new crop of blossoms and tried like h*ll to produce cherries.

Jack

annafair
March 24, 2002 - 05:58 am
Jack I will hope my tree will survive and produce its fruit. We did have a lot of rain preceding the cold and sometimes that helps.

This is a yellow plum that is very sweet and delicious. The reason I chose the yellow plum is because the blurb describing it said yellow is not a color birds or squirrels see.

In all the years of my trying to raise fruit I have to admit the squirrels have left it alone. I do see slashes of bird beaks once in awhile. Perhaps a bird that rest in the tree does that but I dont see an attempt to eat it.

Over the years I have grown cherry, peach, apricot and pear. All sooner or later had to be cut down. The squirrels LOVED the pears and ate them while still hard and green. They did wait until the peaches were nearly ripe sometimes and the birds feasted on the cherry trees. Some years I did get enough apricots (perhaps because they were yellow) to have a few to enjoy or even use in coffee cake. I still have one apple tree that each year has an abundance of apples which we never get to enjoy. While the apples are still hard and green the squirrels enjoy them. The only thing that bothers me they are so audacious they sit in the tree and eat them and throw the remains on the ground!

I will let you know if any of the plums survive although from past expierences I think the only thing I have is hope.

anna

xxxxx
March 24, 2002 - 10:45 am
I find this poem disturbing because I first read it as being about a father who had the habit of disappearing, and may have at some point gone off for good. Upon rereading I don't think there is any solid suggestion of that; nevertheless, that original impression sticks.

Our Father



For Charles Causky

On one trip he brought home
a piece of stone from the river.
shaped like a child's foot

And filled with the weight
of the missing body. Another time
he just walked in

with our lost brother
high on his shoulders
after a two-day absence:

and it seems like only yesterday
he was showing us
the long pole, the one out

there in the yard now.
taller than twice himself,
that still hoists

our mother's washing out of reach.

annafair
March 24, 2002 - 11:12 am
It is a very poignant poem....he does sound like his father wasnt there as often as he liked or needed but he does remember him. With a wistfulness and a longing...and the pole for the washing remains but the father doesnt ...perhaps the father died ..which I would prefer instead of just leaving.

Do we read into poetry our wishes and our fears.? Or do people who love poetry ( I wont say enjoy because there are many things I enjoy but dont feel passionate about ) just see things others dont?

From one who would feel lost with out poetry...I cant sing and now I cant hear music but poetry always sings to my heart ...and I HEAR it very well.

anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 24, 2002 - 12:20 pm
Ah yes Anna poetry with its syrupy honeyed sound of words laid on my ear like morning dew, falling petels, fireflies or big fat snowflakes that sparkle and glimmer as a child clapping hands.

Haven't been down to the creek yet to see what damage but the frost the other night took out my seedlings and all the blossoms on the red bud, which usually takes a frost well. I think three in a row was its undoing, just too much. Three sessions of days in the 80s broken by 2 or 3 days in the 40s with overnights below freezing, my oh my. Winter in spring amazing enough if we could be promised spring in summer but something tells me we just are not going to have spring this year and go directly to summer.

Hmmm Anna I am getting the death of a brother whose body is found and being brought home by the father. The remaining bit a remembering of the brother no longer there. As you say we all get something a bit different and oh isn't that the wonder of it.

annafair
March 24, 2002 - 08:48 pm
and each is valid...since I am only 5' now and was always smaller than any of my family and most of my friends I was often lifted on the shoulders of family and triends..Even when I was young and had an appendectomy at 16 the boys I dated would pick me up and carry me into the movie theater ( it had a long flight of stairs) or up another long flight to a picnic area on top of historical mounds..Now all that seemed joyous and funny to me so when I see the father returning with the son it is a joyous event ..perhaps the boy ran away and the father found him and brought him home..

However in the line where it describes the pole being twice as tall your thinking makes the most sense. I do remember those poles and they were very tall indeed but now that I think of it not twice as tall as my father...

As we have discussed in the past ...poetry is a painting with words and each person brings their own past to the viewing...and IT IS WONDERFUL...anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 26, 2002 - 07:26 am
I am so glad we have this forum where I can try things out - because with this one I think I am a work in process rather then the work being in process - I am trying to work two levels of imagry or maybe it is one level of imagry as a metaphore but, I want it with few of these "like" and "as" words -

The other day I was outside the front of my house when the sun started its ride and hit my windows with such a force of various reds that even the air seemed ot be saturated with the red. It was like a daily ancient rite played out on the house still and silent, a container much like we are containers. Maybe that is three levels - So I don't know what I have here but here goes --
Insurgents set upon nine pane watchmen
hobbled to teeming vermilion firebrands.

Red gold glints off every crystalline
sheen suspended in time
as rising peril assaults habits more
tightly held in dawn’s reflection.

Riotous crimson bleeds on banded
pools like old beliefs seep out from cover.

A procession of Coral cream blushes
pearl the winged white-horse trace
across the whispered refuge reverie
of night encumbered reflection.

No stillness secure in dark illusion,
no fortification walls-out the dawn.

Out of the nighttime-end flying over
trees and grass shifting sky
dyes glazed eyes, hiding a variation
of meaning within a boxed reflection.

Would dawn’s rim-clash with night awaken each
“self” into which much silence has fallen.

Blue, faded into retreating slumber
in our lies of being
spying windowpanes shrug red-teeming glare
encircle the ‘word’ an illusion -- ‘knowing’

xxxxx
March 26, 2002 - 09:19 am
Memoirs of a Fallen Blackbird

They liked me when I was on the wing
And I could whistle and I could sing;
But now that I am in my bed of clay
They come no more to be with me.



It was on the main road halfway between
Newcastle West and Abbeyfeale;
A juggernaut glanced me as it passed me by
And that was the end of the road for me.



Later that day, as I lay on the verge,
A thin rake of a young man picked me up
Into his trembling hands, and he stared
At me full quarter of an hour, he stared



At me and then he laid me down
And with his hands scooped me a shallow grave;
His soul passed into me as he covered me o'er;
I fear for him now where'er he be.



They liked me when I was on the wing
And I could whistle and I could sing;
But now that I am in my bed of clay
They come no more to be with me.

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 26, 2002 - 02:47 pm
Kizmet Jack - there is Irish penny pipe music in the air from our classical music station just as I am reading your blackbird poem - interesting the poem doesn't sound to me very Irish - to me the use of words could just as well be English in that usually the Irish poems have a music that I am not picking up in this piece.

Ok to the other side of the globe - for a change I checked into that very first link in The Tale of the Genji having forgotten it included a couple of linked pages to the poetry in the book as how to write waka. And so I took the poem I shared earlier and tried for a waka - I like the part that would be called the haiku but aammahh not sure if I get this cap part and so I'm not sure of I like it as a waka.
waka has 31-syllable
Its phrasing consisted of 5 lines
in the sequence of 5 syllables,
then 7,
then 5, (the body)
followed by
a cap of two lines of 7 each.
The body of the waka is what eventually became the haiku.
Vermilion panes
glint crystalline reflection
bleeds an illusion
fortification walls-out
sky shifting clash ‘knowing’

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 26, 2002 - 04:42 pm
wheee got another haiku
daily ancient rite
saturated red house still
silent container

annafair
March 27, 2002 - 12:30 am
I am so glad you feel free to share your efforts here. I have decided my poems are like me...senior poems from my senior memory.

Yours are new in form, refreshing and challenging. You paint with strong words and fresh thoughts and I thank you.

Since I read all of your poems , the waka and the haiku I want to tell you I am particularly fond of the haiku you found.

My computer has been off for about five hours when rain with Tstorms arrived. So I went to bed at 9:30 and awoke at 2 am and turned my computer back on.It is still raining and heavy enough even I can hear it on my skylight.

I shall have to turn it off again since there will be a threat of Tstorms until dawn...but I am so glad I was able to visit here at least for a little while.

anna

annafair
March 27, 2002 - 12:47 am
You find such interesting poems to share. Is there any special place you look for poetry?

This one appeals to me although if that blackbird is a starling I am not sure I feel too bad at its demise. Since the starlings that visit my bird feeders are so rude and chase my lovely song birds away I only tolerate them since they leave me no choice.

My dog a senior lady yellow lab accidently killed a mouring dove a few weeks ago. I think she was so suprised when she put a paw on its ponderous walk and it died. She loves to chase the birds and squirrels in the yard announcing THIS IS MY YARD >>.but she is so gentle and only does it to show me she protects the yard as well as myself.

I too picked up the dove and gently gave her a place for her final rest so your poem spoke to me.

That last sentence brings a smile to my face...doesnt all poetry speak to me? Some clearly and some that allows me to puzzle over its meaning. Just like life itself...anna

Jan
March 27, 2002 - 05:18 am
Hi, I haven't posted here before but I enjoy it and would like to share a poem by the Australian poet Kenneth Slessor. It is one of his Captain Cook poems, and is simple and so enjoyable.

Two chronometers the captain had, One by Arnold that ran like mad, One by Kendal in a walnut case, Poor devoted creature with a hangdog face.

Arnold always hurried with a crazed click-click, Dancing over Greenwich like a lunatic, Kendal panted faithfully his watch-dog beat, Climbing out of Yesterday with sticky little feet.

Arnold choked with appetite to walk up time, Madly round the numerals his hands would climb, His cogs rushed over and his wheels ran miles, Dragging Captain Cook to the Sandwich Isles.

But Kendal dawdled in the tombstoned past, With a sentimental prejudice to going fast, And he thought very often of a haberdasher's door And a yellow-haired boy who would knock no more.

All through the night-time, clock talked to clock, In the captain's cabin, tock-tock-tock, One ticked fast and one ticked slow, And Time went over them a hundred years ago.

Slessor is my favourite Australian Poet.

Jan

Jan
March 27, 2002 - 05:20 am
Sorry, the verses didn't come out the way I wrote them, what's the secret?

Jan

xxxxx
March 27, 2002 - 07:38 am
I found this on a old floppy disk today, however I know it dates back to the early 70s, despite the fact I would have been far from grey-haired then. It didn't have title so I'll give it one now. Jack

Back When

I remember nights when the hours
from midnight to dawn were not enough
so we drew them out
with shades pulled down
and in pretended night found powers
with mouth on mouth
and bodies rough upon each other
to rout clear-sighted day.



Now, in separate towers
surrounded by the stuff
of different lives
we see time with forthright eyes:

blank stare, grey hair
tick tock

viogert
March 27, 2002 - 10:05 am
Jan. When you arrive on the home page, click on 'help' at the top of the page. Click 'Discussion Posting Tips' & it explains how you can nail your words to the screen how you want them so they don't spread all over the shop.
That's a nice poem of yours.

Jan
March 28, 2002 - 12:01 am
Thank you Barbara, Anna , and Viogert for your advice. Anna when you asked what word processor I was using, I thought " Oh God, do I have one of those somewhere? " You see the extent of my ignorance !! <g> I will study up over Easter, hopefully.

Slessor was a war Correspondent and wrote a very moving poem called Beach Burial which brings a lump to my throat, but also city poems too. I actually tried out a verse of Poetry first by emailing it to myself to see if it would stay in verse form, but I see now that's not reliable.

Jan

annafair
March 28, 2002 - 06:14 am
Bless you ..you remind me of myself when I bought my first computer...that was eight years ago. I didnt go online for a year because I had to learn how to use the computer first. How many times did I stay up until two am trying to resolve a problem I HAD CREATED.

I am completely self taught..with a lot of help when I was really stumped from those who had somewhat mastered the computer.

Your word processor is what ever you use to write letters, etc with. I have Corel Word Perfect,Microsoft Works, and Microsoft word. I use Corel most of the time but also Works to write letters and put my poetry into files.,I hope that helps...

After I went on line, a year after my husband died, it was AOL seniornet and in the beginning I only posted in the forums where I made friends. Some are still my friends to this day and they were helpful . One evening I finally had the courage to enter chat and would you believe I sneezed and hit some key and found myself in a porno chat room AUGH ...

My computer is still a challenge to me and always will be because I know in spite of what others say ..there are little tiny elves in it that sit around and try and think of new ways to annoy me...

SO just keep at it and sooner or later you will be a computer guru!

anna

annafair
March 28, 2002 - 06:22 am
 
Two chronometers the captain had,  
One by Arnold that ran like mad,  
One by Kendal in a walnut case, 
Poor devoted creature with a hangdog face.
  

Arnold always hurried with a crazed click-click, Dancing over Greenwich like a lunatic, Kendal panted faithfully his watch-dog beat, Climbing out of Yesterday with sticky little feet.
  

Arnold choked with appetite to walk up time, Madly round the numerals his hands would climb, His cogs rushed over and his wheels ran miles, Dragging Captain Cook to the Sandwich Isles.
  

But Kendal dawdled in the tombstoned past, With a sentimental prejudice to going fast, And he thought very often of a haberdasher's door And a yellow-haired boy who would knock no more.
  

All through the night-time, clock talked to clock, In the captain's cabin, tock-tock-tock, One ticked fast and one ticked slow, And Time went over them a hundred years ago.


Slessor is my favourite Australian Poet.

annafair
March 28, 2002 - 06:33 am
Your poem really hit me ..and the title is perfect...we all have a lot of back whens and even the best ones can bring a pang to our heart.

Thank you so much for sharing...

anna

xxxxx
March 28, 2002 - 08:02 am
Anna wrote: "You find such interesting poems to share. Is there any special place you look for poetry?"

Not really. If I come across a poem or two that appeal to me, then I look for a paperback of their poetry. I tend to have a stack of four or five poetry books around that I dip into, and when I run out of enthusiasm for one, I put it back on the shelf and take out another.

Thank you for your comments about my poem. It is a bit startling to think that those were my sentiments in my early thirties - perhaps a bit of posturing there.

Jack

annafair
March 28, 2002 - 11:21 am
Because I beleive for people who love and write poetry there is no time they cannot imagine...While I write mostly about the things that affect me I can and do write about other times, places I have never been, imaginary people and events ..the whole gamut of life ...i havent died yet but I certainly write a lot about it and many poets write about the same even when they are young ...

So Jack I encourage you to look at what you wri te with a kinder eye and for me I shall think how clever and perceptive you were even when you were young...anna

annafair
March 29, 2002 - 10:24 am
I came across this poem and have no idea where I filed it ..so I had to re copy and edit and have saved in now ...so I decided to share it with you ...

 
Memories 
 

glide through the labyrinths of my mind slide around corners and trap me my hands stretch out to catch them fluid they slip through my fingers and slither away they are mine...no one shares them how could they? were they there in the quiet nights? the entwining of our souls? were they there to watch the heavens progress from night to day? I am thankful for them still they are not you they have no breath or warmth but what I give them I cannot touch them they just lay there and burn holes into my soul


anna alexander 5/23/2001 ©

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 30, 2002 - 01:33 am
Battle lines are crossed
Israel and Palestine
trade terror for God.


Easter long ago
A Savior rose to Glory
colored eggs raise smiles


New clothes plush bunnies
baskets of chocolate eggs
children bring us spring

Barbara St. Aubrey
March 31, 2002 - 07:26 pm
Been reading Murial Rukeyser's The Life of Poetry -- she says;
The fear that cuts off poetry is profound: it plunges us deep, far back to the edge of childhood. Beyond that it does not go.

Little children do not have this fear, they trust their emotions. But on the threshold of adolescence the walls are built.

Against the assaults of puberty, and in those silvery delicate seasons when all feeling casts about for confirmation. Then, for the first time, you wonder "What should I be feeling?" instead of the true "What do you feel?" "What do I feel?" Now the easy talented and the easily skillful are loved in classrooms and the field.


Somehow that hit a chord with me and I reached back to some of my pockets of childhood fear and perhaps mis-placed courage and pride. - I grew up early.

I think he’s gone to Florida

He is big in blue uniform
He knocked on the curtained front door.
I was small wondering why he
asked me, Was my father at home.

“No.” “When would he be home,” he asked.
“I don’t know.” Knowing I did know.
I wanted my father to stay
with us not with this man in blue.

This big man took off his stiff hat
his hair was blond like mine and Dad’s
He was asking softly, gently,
like a friend, where was my father.

The house still quiet not my heart
Mama was hanging out the wash
off the back porch with my sister
my baby sister in the yard.

Would Mama come and tell this man
liking his friendly gentle way
that daddy would be home that night.
Would Mama not see this man’s trap.

I watched him, considered the lie,
knowing this man was not my friend
knowing he wanted my father
knowing my mother would not lie -

In my knowing I said out loud,
“He left, he’s gone to Florida.”
His hat, back on his head he turned.
The lie, I never told anyone.

xxxxx
April 3, 2002 - 09:08 am
Barbara, Gone to Florida was great poem.

Jack

xxxxx
April 3, 2002 - 09:10 am
Until I found you,
I wrote verse, drew pictures,
And, went out with friends
For walks....
Now that I love you,
Curled like an old mongrel
My life lies, content,
In you....

annafair
April 5, 2002 - 10:19 pm
I have been off line due to a number of Tstorms we have had and then out of town for a day ...but my thanks for the poems. Barbara a question have you always written poetry? You do it so well.

And Jack your poem set me to wondering. While I have always enjoyed poetry from the time I was a child I wrote little of my own. After my husband died in 94, not immediately but soon I found I was writing poetry about our life and mostly about his death. It was the only way I could handle my grief, to pour all that pain and hurt into a poem.

In time I could measure how far I had come when I could write humorous poems or poems of other subjects. We had an exceptional marriage in so many ways and your poem made me think perhaps the reason I failed to write ( except when he was away on a mission) was because I was content to curl up and be with him.

There was little need to write about what I was expierencing. It was just wonderful to be doing just that. While I had no idea when I married that he was my knight in shining armor he did turn out to be just that.I was 22 when I married and my mother always said there were worse things in life than never marrying. So I was very careful when I decided to say yes to his proposal. My parents had a good marriage but I still wanted more ..the romance of the love stories I enjoyed was what I wanted. And thank goodness I found it and in spades.

Now I can look back and see my parents had a great marriage as well but it seemed so ordinary then.

Just thinking ....anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
April 5, 2002 - 11:30 pm
I used to do all sorts of things behind the text we were supposed to be reading in class - and from about the 7th to the 8th grade I did these soppy things about the clouds and the sky being like the vail of the Blessed Virgin Mary la la la la - then when I took the tests to be accepted in high school, instead of writing a short essay, I wrote a poem and was called on it as not following instructions - so the high school I dearly wanted to attend I did not make the grade and I stopped fooling with poetry - well last summer I was clearing out and found a very small old black binder - 3X5 filled with lined paper on which were my hand written poems in this tiny printing that I used for handwriting in those years. I realized how that was really me and I have been on a quest to find the me buried so long ago that I had no idea where I started or ended.

I've been reading mostly Dylan Thomas who I so admire. I recently purchased some CDs of poems read by the author/poets and another CD of Tennyson's Morte d'Arthur - Keat's Eve of St. Agnes - Michael by Wordsworth - Christabel and William Morris' the Haystack in the Floods. Found a copy of The Lady of Shalott that I read over and over - I love it. And I found a copy of The Dark Night of the Soul which I was so priviledged to be given special permission to take home from its locked case when I was a Junior in High School. Everytime I hit the library I was checking it out to read in the Library and Sister Mary Thomas let me take it home one weekend. I attended a Carmelite High and The Dark Night... had just been translated into English. I was blown away at how the sentences were constructed and the philosophy of St. John of the Cross has been my saving grace in life.

At the suggestion of some on-line learning to write poetry, I purchased Chopin's Nocturnes, Mozart's Concertos and Bach's Preludes to play over and over and hear the rhythm. (Hate the Bach)

Bottom line my kids are so intimedated by my most simple poems that they dan't even respond if I e-mail them my work. None of my friends have a clue and just say nice things because they love me but, I can see their eyes glaze over. I've been trying to find someplace where I could get some feedback to see what I need to learn and if any of this is worth the paper it is written on. So far y'all here on this site have been it -

I posted some in the poetry page last sumemr in the writing folder and pretty much got ignored - tried again but they seem to be into this quick parady of some fun thing that since all the line endings rhyme that makes it a poem - I know that is not what I am trying to do.

I really want to get to the point where I am not telling a story but rather the poem has layers of meaning and I want to find wonderful words that roll on the tongue - rhythm is my weakest point - so any time you can give me some critique I am very grateful and your kind words have encouraged me so much. In fact this is the only place I can try my stuff and often y'all say something. Thanks.

xxxxx
April 6, 2002 - 12:03 am
Barbara,

I'm on the run to town before it rains, but........

There was point in my life where I had to stay home for a long period and I found the best classical music station in the world (since though I loved disco at that time it reminded me too much of going out which I couldn't.)

Bach was a problem for me too........hated his music, at least the instrumental. Then one day as I was lying down resting on the couch a Bach piece played. I lay there with my eyes closed....and lo and behold it made pictures, but geometric ones....it was a never-ending arrangement and re-arrangment of blocks (and other shapes) that eventually included lines and colors.

I have enjoyed it ever since, and still tend to see it that way if I close my eyes. See if you can find Obrecht's Missa Fortuna Desperata (it is the best example of the genre in my estimation.) Medieval and early Ren. masses where build very systematically and it is easy to hear. Once you hear/see it in this form, you will be able to extend it to Bach with no problem, though he is not nearly as rigid in his patterns as Obrecht, et al.

Jack

Barbara St. Aubrey
April 6, 2002 - 12:22 am
aha - thanks for the tip - I will find it because if nothing else I really love the very early church music and of course grew up with Gregorian Chant - that I still miss - it made the Mass a glory of adoration and meditation - now no longer a moment of beauty - and so I ask what is the point - An English prologue to the homily - no thanks.

annafair
April 6, 2002 - 08:12 am
I understand what you are saying. My children for the most part ( oldest does write as well) are only polite when I share any of my poetry even ones I have won recognition for. Some of my friends have been very blunt in a nice way to tell me Poetry is not their thing..thank goodness I have classes offered by the local U and a whole group of poetry writers and lovers whom I share with.

We enjoy each other's company and enjoy each others poems. It is the most loving and supportive group I have ever known. You might try to see if there are classes available where you live and also check and see if there are any local writer's groups etc I think your public library would be a good place to start ..but in any case YOU CAN COME HERE and know what you share is welcomed VERY Welcome...anna

3kings
April 7, 2002 - 01:47 am
The Old Place

So the last day’s come at last, the close of my fifteen
year--
The end of the hope, an’ struggles, an’ messes I’ve
put in here,
All of the shearings over, the final mustering done,--
Eleven hundred and’ fifty for the incoming man, near on.
Over five thousand I drove ‘em, mob by mob, down the,
coast;
Eleven-fifty in fifteen year ... it isn‘t much of a boast.

Oh, it‘s a bad old place! Blown out o’ your bed half the
nights,
And in summer the grass burnt shiny an’ bare as your
hand, on the heights:
The creek dried up by November, and in May a
thundering roar
That carries down toll o’ your stock to salt ‘em whole
on the shore.
Clear’d I have, and I’ve clear’d an’ clear’d, yet
everywhere, slap in your face,
Briar, tauhinu, an’ ruin!--God! it’s a brute of a place.
. . . An’ the house got burnt which I built, myself, with
all that worry and pride;
Where the Missus was always homesick, and where she
took fever, and died.

Yes, well! I’m leaving the place. Apples look red on that
bough.
I set the slips with my own hand. Well--they’re the
other man’s now.
The breezy bluff: an’ the clover that smells so over the
land,
Drowning the reek o’ the rubbish, that plucks the profit
out o’ your hand:
That bit o’ Bush paddock I fall’d myself, an’ watched,
each year, come clean
(Don’t it look fresh in the tawny? A scrap of Old-
Country green):
This air, all healthy with sun an’ salt, an’ bright with
purity:
An’ the glossy Karakas there, twinkling to the big blue
twinkling sea:
Ay, the broad blue sea beyond, an’ the gem-clear cove
below,
Where the boat I’ll never handle again, sits rocking to
and fro:
There’s the last look to it all! an’ now for the last upon
This room, where Hetty was born, an’ my Mary died,
an’ John . . .

Well, I’m leaving the poor old place, and it cuts as keen
as a knife;
The place that’s broken my heart-- the place where I’ve
lived my life.

BLANCHE BAUGHAN ( 1870-1958)

annafair
April 8, 2002 - 05:06 am
All poetry touches me but that one digs deep. While I never lived on a farm I had relatives that did and spent many summers with them. They have been long gone and the places sold and I have never seen them again since I was young,but...I have never forgotten them and your poem carried me back and both hurt and gladdened me.

And regardless of where we are the poem evokes memories of time passing and having to deal with that passing.

Thanks for posting it for us...and while it speaks of a place I have never been....to me it shows how universal poetry is...anna

B.J.
April 9, 2002 - 07:44 pm
Hello to All, I just found this site and am amazed at what all is here. Poetry looks like a good place to start. It is a hobby of mine but I am totally a novice. I don't know much about poetic terms, etc. I see a poetry class is offered which is something I've always wanted to take. I am not sure of the protocol here, so if I do anything wrong, please point it out to me.

Thank you for your hospitality, B.J.

Barbara St. Aubrey
April 9, 2002 - 08:29 pm
B.J thanks for posting your interest in poetry - Anna is our discussion leader on this site and as I understand some of the poems are those we find that we like and want to share with others and some are our own work - the poetry class is a group of folks taking the Barnes and Noble on-line poetry class - there are more novices in the group than those of us who have played on various levels with poetry.

Why not post in the site and see if you can join both the B&N class and our experimental site - the B&N class is covering lots of material in a short time - we are giving the material a little more time and we are a little more personal in this site - in other words we get to know each other - we even at times get together at a regional get-to-gether or our national annual Bookie get-to-gether. This year's annual get-together was cancelled due to 9/11 since our planned meeting was in D.C.

Hope we get to know you and welcome to poetry.

B.J.
April 11, 2002 - 03:58 pm
Thank you for that warm welcome. I will probably hang out here for a while. There is a lot on my plate just now and I wouldn't be able to commit to a fast paced forum. I'm trying to visit other forums and find out what all is here. There's a lot to look at.

B.J.

xxxxx
April 13, 2002 - 10:30 am
My boxes of books and music, replete with scraps and fragments of attempts at poetry and fiction spanning several decades, have arrived in Cyprus. And these may provide a dubious feast for readers of this group. Today has been an unusual day here: A pervasive medium fog everywhere - from the high hills down to the sea coast -- still quite pleasantly warm; nevertheless, the effect was vaguely disconcerting. All sounds were muffled, everywhere the view was seen through a scrim, everything seemed artifically supressed. It was difficult to know just when twilight came, and now the radio is playing the eerie music of the Japanese bamboo flute, and cumulation of all these effects made me pick this poem.

THE RECUSANT

Caught, I asked pardon for an unmeant assault
Against your highly valued privacy.
Even from you, what luck, this offense
Required only strong words as penalty
And nothing harsher for me than this --
A strict order and extracted promise
To cease this practice immediately.
Relieved, of course I let on that you were right.
But my recusant heart rebels to keep
False faith and face the wall at first grey light.
Still - in secret ceremony - I watch you sleep.

Jack 20 Aug 85

annafair
April 14, 2002 - 09:51 am
I have been remiss ..but only to this...April is a month full of family celebrations and we do them all with vigor , good food , and just being with each other.

Today I am off again for the birthday of my youngest..and there are still three more celebrations before June arrives!

BJ I hope you will return and share a thought with us..a favorite poem if you wish...one you have loved by someone else or one of your own.

Barbara thanks for welcoming BJ and sharing our study of poetry

Jack your poems have a special unique quality that touches me and reminds me of past times and past places and feelings past but not forgotten.

I did not know you were in Cyprus ...and I love the fog..your description of looking through scrim pleased me so much ..since that is exactly what fog does ..and why I love it ..it softens everything and hides the ugly ..now with my hearing loss so profound I live in a hearing fog and while I miss being able to hear and understand it also gives me a silence that allows my mind to move and wander as it wills.

Does that make me strange? or perhaps those who love poetry are a bit strange. In that case I welcome being called strange ...anna who hopes to do better as a leader.

Patricia Robinson-King
April 17, 2002 - 08:52 am
Hi, everyone, Pat Robinson-King here. It has been a while since I have posted here but want to say hello today. On February 1st, Anna posted "there is a rhythem to poetry that just doesn't exist in prose." This comment brought to mind Longellow's "My Lost Youth" which rings with rhythm and rhyme. There is the first stanza of that poem which perhaps may send some of you here to read the whole poem out loud and listen to its "song." "Often I think of the beautiful town,That is seated by the sea; Often in thought go up and down, The pleasant streets of that dear old town, And my youth comes back to me"....Since it is written about my home town of Portland, Maine, it resonates for me as I now live far from there. Let me know your thoughts on your preference on free vs.rhymed verse. I have written in both styles in my recently published chapbook, "Meanderings," and it seems to be the rhymed poems that readers remember best. Pat

xxxxx
April 17, 2002 - 09:37 am
Pat wrote: "Let me know your thoughts on your preference on free vs.rhymed verse. I have written in both styles in my recently published chapbook, "Meanderings," and it seems to be the rhymed poems that readers remember best."

When I was younger I prefered poems with very clear rhyme schemes, but now it's the sound of the words (do I mean "word pictures"?) and the imagry.......of course it's the emotional reverberation that counts first.

However, I think that as far as sheer recall goes that rhymed poems are much easier to remember. I have studied the early Buddhist scriptures (Pali Canon) and many are very annoying to read because of the constant repetition of phrases, words, refrains - over and over. However, as it was pointed out to me, these scriptures were memorized and recited for religious instruction and the use of poetic devices, i.e. verses/refrains, etc. made them easier to commit to memory as there was no text to refer to if you mucked up your religion lessons in front of a group of congregants.

Jack

xxxxx
April 17, 2002 - 09:54 am
Back in the Paleolithic Era of my life I took lessons in Irish and arrived at a small degree of competence with it - unfortunately since totally lost. I very much liked a modern poet Mairtin O'Direain, very very little of whose work has been translated. I feel that if more of it were available in English that he would achieve quite a reputation, however, like Fernando Pessoa was for many years he remains trapped in a language not widely spoken....though obviously the case is worse with Irish than Portuguese.

In any case, this is my attempt at one of his poems (probably done in the 1970's sometime.) I have my original handwritten attempt and it has no title, and I have no idea if the original had one or not. Irish can be very elusive, but as I recall the reason that I saved this attempt was because I felt that I'd done a fairly decent job of it - though it tends to follow the original quite literally rather than attempt a more English usage adaptation. You'll get the idea. I love the picture he paints, though it is ultimately a bit sad.

I closed the blinds last night
On the windows of my room,
Snuffed each light
But the faint light of the embers,
Then came your figure
Before me to enchant:

I have done this often,
Golden you are to me
The impossible warmth:
Not nearer than that,
Not to hold you always.

Jack

annafair
April 24, 2002 - 04:23 am
I think I should write a poem about the tribulations of life ..illness which has plagued me this year of inconstant temperatures ..freezing one day with heat in the house and the next with temperatures soaring into the 80's and the need to open all windows etc...sleeping on top of the covers one night and snuggled beneath a down comfortor the next....did weather vacillate as much when I was young and just dont recall?

Thanks for the reminder of Longfellow ..and there are any number of poems from my youth I have memorized and recall often..and all of them rhyme....I am sad that so much of the poetry offered to young people nowadays is unrhymed for I feel they wont recall them in the future...

I love and enjoy many free or blank verse but I cant recall one ..they only seem to affect me when I read them.

Just the other night one of my fellow poets came over to cheer me. She is such an unique person and does a lot of prose poetry..which is solid and good but I confess I cant recall a word only the feelings. We sat here singing all the old songs from our past and how easy they came to our minds. The melodys and the words..all of which rhymed. It was such a great evening the next day I felt quite rejuvenated.

Now I need to read some healing poetry for I need it not only for my physical self but for my emotional self. Is it wrong to have to use poetry to make you weep when you cant seem to bring tears over things that are awful and truly sad?

Just thinking and wishing for my dog to return from the vet..she is old and dear and seems to have suffered a siezure and bit her tongue so severely they had to sedate her to stitch it ..she has not been well for a month and such a dear companion I wonder what I will do if something happens to her...I hope to be back among you on a regular basis again..anna

xxxxx
April 24, 2002 - 05:27 am
I wondered what had happened to you.......assumed maybe the poetry course had carried you off. Take it easy and get well quickly, and I hope your canine friend will also be back in good shape soon.

Jack

annafair
April 25, 2002 - 10:33 pm
Thanks for the kind wishes for my dog Jack but the vet seems to think she has bone marrow cancer. I am not sure what happened to her last night but when I awoke about 12 the floor where she was laying had several large areas of bright fresh blood.

I ended up taking her to an ER for animals ..Arrived there at 1:20AM and didnt return home until about 4. The stitches had torn a bit and this vet had to sedate her, cauterize the other stitches and add three more. He also gave me some mild sedative to give her if necessary to keep her from trying to loosen the stitches on her tongue. Since she was still under the effects of the anesthesia I slept on the sofa in the den so she would not have to walk up the stairs to my bedroom.

I am sorry but this is a very emotional time for me..She is about 14 years old and has been my friend for so long ...I will do whatever I can to keep her enjoying whatever life that remains and when the time comes release her to find her place in eternity.

I hope everyone who visits here will share a poem and we can return to enjoying the jewels of words well said. anna

annafair
April 28, 2002 - 03:26 am
My dog Katie girl is better , eating again although I know she will not get well she does seem to be enjoying herself. She is still too weak to chase the squirrels but has returned to barking when the doorbell rings. She is my ears..Hope to see some poems soon..In the back of my mind I recall some about dogs but I dont have the time to look them up..anyone care to do that? anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
April 28, 2002 - 02:50 pm
Anna I am so please for you - the hardest thing about having a dog or cat is their life spans do not allow them to be our lifelong friends - I have only had two dogs in my life and each bring me many memeories while both their deaths are milestone events for me which I still remember with saddness -

annafair
May 7, 2002 - 04:46 am
Will I am better my dog seems worse. I looked for a poem about losing a dog and found one...so I am sharing it with you..

 
THE BEST PLACE TO BURY A DOG  

"There is one best place to bury a dog. "If you bury him in this spot, he will come to you when you call - come to you over the grim, dim frontier of death, and down the well-remembered path, and to your side again.
 
"And though you call a dozen living 
dogs to heel, they shall not growl at 
him, nor resent his coming, 
for he belongs there. 
 
"People may scoff at you, who see 
no lightest blade of grass bent by his 
footfall, who hear no whimper, people  
who may never really have had a dog. 
Smile at them, for you shall know 
something that is hidden from them, 
and which is well worth the knowing.
 

"The one best place to bury a good dog is in the heart of his master."
 
--- Ben Hur Lampman --- 
from the Portland Oregonian Sept. 11, 1925

Barbara St. Aubrey
May 7, 2002 - 09:35 am
A Prayer for Animals

Hear our humble prayer,
O God,
for our friends, the animals,
especially for those who are suffering;
for any that are lost or deserted
or frightened or hungry.

We entreat for them all
Thy mercy and pity,
and for those who deal with them,
we ask a heart of compassion
and gentle hands and kindly words.

Make us, ourselves,
to be true friends to animals
and so to share
the blessings
of the merciful.

Albert Schweitzer

annafair
May 12, 2002 - 04:03 am
When I look at the photograph of my children and grandchildren assembled to give me joy...I think how wonderful it is to have them there ...Happy Mother's Day to each of you..for whether you are a mother doesnt matter for you are some mother's child...

This is a poem by Nicholas Gordon who has a web site of poetry that he offers to all who read it for thier use...

 
Here are all your children in one place, 
Enshrined behind some glass within a frame. 
A picture's like a word, a sign, a name, 
Symbolic of a much more complex grace. 
Years of memories lie behind each face, 
A wild sea no blessing can contain; 
Years and years of love, of joy, of pain, 
Of mysteries no heart can hope to trace. 
Here are all the objects of your love, 
A frozen section cut away from Time, 
A summit between dreams and memories, 
Which you need only look this way to climb; 
An icon for domestic reveries 
Through which a thousand answered prayers move.

annafair
May 12, 2002 - 08:35 pm
Posted this in the study of poetry since we were discussing aubades and a professor of English in critiquing this poem said it reminded her of an aubade... SO here it is..and where are all the poets? If not here I hope you are outside enjoying whatever kind of weather you have right now...

Summer Thoughts 	 

can it be? summer is nearly gone? the dog days of August are upon us and Autumn waits to sing her song the day light hours are less morning arrives a bit later and evening comes too soon spring green leaves have deepened now heavy their darker brow throws a dusky shadow upon the age'ed lawn hidden in the dogwood bough berries of bitter green wait the cool of autumn to bring forth their scarlet gowns each day ancient leaves of gold whisper their last goodbyes and flutter to the ground there is no joy in their passing though I welcome cooler days nights beneath cold etched stars my soul prepares to slumber like bulbs beneath the ground tentatively it hopes in spring it will awaken among the verdant grass in Eden's hallowed ground

anna alexander 7/28/01 ©

Barbara St. Aubrey
May 14, 2002 - 01:20 am
We've had a couple of birthdays in my family and I thought I would share the poems I wrote - I wish I saved the URL for the graphics I used - they were so perfect for the poems

This first one was for my son-in-law and the graphic was of a boy about 12, wearing a T-shirt with his arms out-stretched toward a ball high in mid-air - all in dark silhouette, nearly black, against the bright last light of a setting sun. The sky was mostly in shades of gray with this bright light of the sun just above the horizon and an apricot orangey sky at the very horizon that also picks off long grasses in this apricot arangey color.
Should lanterns shine this night
with unaccustomed light,
upon my private dark
mummy wrapped boyhood heart
fast defying quiet
leading wind to riot
over field and roof-beam
of this aging mill-stream
turning dreams and dreams

of the ball I threw
playing in the park
has not yet reached
the ground.



And than for my daughter who is now middle aged - I cannot believe it she turned 48 whosh and my oldest son turns 49 next month - there is only 10 months between them - She is at the fullness of her family time with two sons ages 11 and 8.

Well here is a URL for a painting that I almost hate as the example but the one I used is no longer on the internet and the one I used was so much softer - without the frame and therefore the apples looked like they were oozing sweet necter. http://www.snowgoosegallery.com/gwpages/mbautumncele.htm

Here is her poem --
The sparrow chirping
The slow clock ticking
The wooing wind aloft
glanced the glowing glade.

The budding apple
The dust mote sunbeam
marked the dew dried hour
within her fantasy

Where waking she heard
the butterfly sip
the oozing harvest
of her bursting life.

The gusty shadows
when the moon was low
heard the cock sing the song
of her sweetened dreams.

Her life, the gleaning,
The apple picking
bounty, some pulp will rot
and seed the fallow earth.

The mouse on the roof
The sun sloping west
She saw it so clear

I am
a moment of change.

annafair
May 14, 2002 - 03:12 am
How special you must make your family feel ...to recieve the gift of you mind and heart. And to top it off they are great poems as well.

I did not click on the url but allowed you to paint a picture of the graphic you used. Between the poem and your description I saw and felt it well.

Thanks for your continued contributions. And Happy Birthdays to your family members.

My oldest was 50 last year...and she has turned into my good friend who happens to be my daughter. Now that is gift to me.

anna

robert b. iadeluca
May 18, 2002 - 06:31 am
In the group discussing the Story of Civilization, we are currently discussing American Epic Poems and then will examine the Epic Poems of Ancient India. Please click onto EPIC POETRY and come share your opinions with us.

Robby

normio3
May 18, 2002 - 11:41 pm
News of today after bring back memories of yesterday. A former member of the KKK is now on trial for yesterday's events. I wrote about it then.

"Civil ? Rights"

"America Scans the Newspaper"

15 September 1963

Innocents of seven years of age,
White dress, scattered with velvet flowers.
Black hair curled tight, kinky.
Black face with pearl black pupils.
Lips in oval form, sweet song emoting.
Open arms outstreached, reaching for love.
Beautiful innocent child of man, woman.
Read no further,
check weather,
Dow Jones,
etc., etc., etc.


16 September 1963

Two remaining walls, decorated blood red.
Child no longer standing, dead.
Lips no longer oval, grotesque.
Arms still out streached,
one here, one there.
Don't ignore the cries of an innocent one.
The screams of her sister as pure.
Read no further,
check weather,
Dow Jones,etc., etc., etc
"IF DIRT IS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG,
IT STILL REMAINS IN THE HOUSE,
COLLECTING MORE DIRT".

I wrote this after reading About the death of four human beings in an arson caused fire at a black church in the "civilized" United States of America.

BRYSON 17 Sept 1963

annafair
May 19, 2002 - 01:48 pm
Thanks for giving us a chance to read the epic poems of today and yesterday....anyone who checks it out please share your opinion. anna

annafair
May 19, 2002 - 02:02 pm
It is strange to me that people consider themselves civilized who do such terrible things to others...and also consider it their right to make judgements about others and then to act on that judgement using whatever means they deem all right.

AND it is hard to see so many who read about those acts and not become angry. I remember the headlines from that time ...and my oldest was just 10 and her brother just a 1 years old...how could I understand anyone who would do such a monstrous thing to a child just because they were of another color.

Years ago I remember a young officer in the AF trying to justify Hitler's solution for Jews. He was blond and blue eyed ..and I remember saying ...Remember the next time there is someone who has a "solution" it might be against blond and blueyed people.

Thanks for sharing your words and feelings ..the sad thing is the need to write them ....anna

annafair
May 26, 2002 - 04:14 pm
I have been busy with my family for a few days and then ran scan disk which took 24 hours ..I never realized I had so much on my hard drive..but I guess with 8 gigs it just adds up...so I havent been in here to see what is going on..and guess what ? NOTHING

If anyone is visiting and not posting please say hello and if anyone has any idea about what they would like to find here or share here I am open to suggestions.

I just have to believe there are more poetry lovers out there somewhere ...

So please stop and say a few words...anna

Faithr
May 26, 2002 - 05:23 pm
Anna I stop by whenever subscriptions take me to new messages. I dont post because I have no news to add and havent written any poetry this year. My muse went for a walk and hasnt returned yet. I do hope she comes back. Perhaps if I return to my Original People of America poetry s/he will come back.

I cannot write a poem
Unless my muse comes home
I miss her since she left
In fact, I'm quite bireft.
faith rogers C 2002

viogert
May 26, 2002 - 10:43 pm
In My Country


walking by the waters
down where an honest river
shakes hands with the sea,
a woman passed round me
in a slow watchful circle
as if I were a superstition;


or the worst dregs of her imagination,
so when she finally spoke
her words spliced into bars
of an old wheel. A segment of air.
"Where do you come from?"
"Here," I said, "Here. These parts".


Jackie Kay (1961 - )
  • *****************************************

    Character


    You're a girl
    and you'd better not forget
    that when you step over the threshhold of your house
    men will look askance at you.
    When you keep on walking down the lane
    men will follow you and whistle.
    When you cross the lane and step onto the main road
    men will revile you and call you a loose woman


    If you've got no character
    you'll turn back,
    and if not
    you'll keep on going,
    as you are going now.


    Taslima Nasrin (1962 - )
    (Translated from the Bengali by Caroline Wright & Farida Sarkar)
  • xxxxx
    May 27, 2002 - 04:54 am
    Annafair, I've been looking in here about every other day....and thinking: Where are all those folks!!! Why aren't they putting anything in?......and of course leaving without adding anything myself

    I'll make amends.

    Jack

    xxxxx
    May 27, 2002 - 05:06 am
    Ramprasad Sen was an 18th century Bengali, who was a devotee of the Great Mother goddess under her rather fearsome aspect of Kali. He wrote lively poems of devotion ranging in tone from the frantic despair of an abandoned child to the craziness of a man drunk with love. Kali is the dark goddess, guardian of the cycles of death and rebirth, often depicted dancing wildly, garlanded with skulls and her mouth smeared with blood; nevertheless, she is regarded as the bringer of wisdom - although in it's most frightening forms - and Mother of us all.

    I'm not calling you Mother anymore,
    All You give me is trouble.
    I had a home and a family, now
    I'm a beggar—what will You think of
    Next, my wild-haired Devi?
    I'll beg before I come to You,
    Crying "Mother." I've tried that
    And got the silent treatment.
    If the mother lives should the son suffer,
    And if she's dead, hasn't he got to live somehow

    Ramprasad says: What's a mother
    Anyway, the son's worst enemy?
    I keep wondering what worse You can do
    Than make me live over and over
    The pain, life after life.

    Jack

    annafair
    May 27, 2002 - 06:19 am
    How good it was to come here this Memorial Day and find your posts. Faith I understand your muse..she is off somewhere with my own. There was a time when I wrote a poem a day or more and now my mind seems to be blank. I have to confess the events of 9/11 were so horrifying that the kind of poems I usually write about nature and simple things just seemed so insignificant against the horror of that day.

    Viogert and Jack thank you for your sharing of poems that you found with great meaning. Each one was just special. I have re read each one at least five times for they make you stop and think. As a woman I can relate to the Character poem very well. Thank goodness I was raised to be independent and have kept that spirit for the world would surely have worn me down without it ..not that my own life was hard but when I read the newspapers etc and see so many women who are oppressed and without hope and any character they have must be hidden. What courage it takes for them to keep moving forward.

    And Jack once in my long ago reading I read about India and Kali and have never forgotten how cruel she seemed to me. So unlike a mother in my mind and yet by being cruel she was trying to make the believer strong enough to face life which is often cruel ...

    The weatherman promises and I can hope he keeps this promise that we will have warmth but no rain for three days.. I need to get my tomatoes out and finish planting some annuals and waterproof my deck AGAIN ...and clean the table and place the umbrella and chairs so I can sit out there and enjoy the summer.

    My dear dog continues her decline so I am often saddened by the thoughts that she may not be with me too much longer. I will try myself to be here more often..I have been a bit negligent myself ..have a great day wherever you are..and thanks again..anna

    xxxxx
    May 27, 2002 - 07:49 am
    Letter Poem #3

    The night is quiet
    as a kettle drum
    the bull frog basses
    tuning up. After
    swimming, after sup-
    per, a Tarzan movie,
    dishes, a smoke. One
    planet and I
    wish. No need
    of words. Just
    you, or rather,
    us. The stars tonight
    in pale dark space
    are clover flowers
    in a lawn the expanding
    Universe in which
    we love it is
    our home. So many
    galaxies and you my
    bright particular,
    my star, my sun, my
    other self, my bet-
    ter half, my one

    Jack

    Faithr
    May 27, 2002 - 10:25 am
    Religion and the emotions connected to it often bring poems. I too read of Kalli and thought how cruel an image. But then I thought of the crucifixtion of Christ and how cruel that is and how I wrote this poem a few years back. I went back and brought it forth for you Anna.

    SPEAKING OF LOVE

    I thought to speak in parables Many and colorful. Full of metaphors, Secret codes and feelings Oceanic, deep.

    As I approach the alter I am rendered dumb. My tongue cleaves to the roof Of my mouth, My soul cleaves to the roof Of the world.

    I turn and walk out Of the church. My footsteps silent as Is my whole being. Grieving.

    Struck by His pain I walk out dumb. Dumb! Not howling like a the love dog In a Persian poem.

    Ah that I could howl And love like that dog In the Persian poem

    Composed by Faith Pyle ©all rights reserved 2000

    viogert
    May 27, 2002 - 11:45 am
    Kali Ma, the Hindu Triple Goddess is much maligned - not dissimilar in horrific dimentions to the witches of Kramer & Sprenger during the Inquisition. Only a sick mind could think up such silly behaviour. But Kali is held in the same reverence as Baba Yaga, Brigit, Skadi & other Triple Goddesses - worshipped everywhere until the invasions by the northern barbarians. They came in several waves of destruction from 4000BC. Before then, the entire civilised world lived in peace in a matriarchal society. The greater the love people had for their elderly crones, the greater the need of the barbarians to destroy the culture who worshipped them. Being coarse, belligerent & illiterate, if they couldn't understand a civilisation, they did their best to control it. Because Kali Ma was responsible for the spoken word, the invaders felt a greater desire to discredit her. All the superstitious fears of a neurotic patriarchal warrior-caste were projected on to Kali, so she is represented as everything terrifying & unmotherly. And to this day, women find the image of a terrible mother unbelieveable. But as a nightmare invention of an all-male conquering horde, it makes a loony sort of mother-in-law joke. I am not afraid of Kali or any other Maiden/Mother/Grandmother triple Goddess, but I am afraid of armies, guns, slaughter & battles over territory - our history books since that time have recorded little else.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    May 27, 2002 - 01:10 pm
    Wow - eveyone is back - and with such depth of feeling and information - wonderful!

    annafair
    May 27, 2002 - 03:36 pm
    Here I sit stiff with muscles I had forgotten ...my tomatoes are in and hopefully this summer I will harvest enough to share and plenty to pop in the freezer whole and use through the winter..The last four from 2001 went into some chili last week. How different it tastes.In reading this I thought what a frivilous thought compared to yours..I think it is the way I protect my sanity ...

    Ah your poems and the thoughts and feelings they express....Jack that letter poem #3 could have been written by me..not as well but it pierced my heart as I recognize the feelings I felt and held when life held my love.

    And Faith thank you for bringing forth your wonderful poem Any who have read what crucifixtion entails knows what a cruel thing it was... your last line ..sometimes I struck dumb by a line of poetry that says so much and your line does just that.

    Viogert you have no idea how your history lesson touches me. I have given up reading about the continuing march of "Civilisation" that keeps inflicting pain and destruction on the world and especially of the ones who deserve it the least..the children, the women and the elderly and infirm. I have a friend who tells me I care too much about these things...since there is little one person can do ..but I keep thinking if enough of us care MAYBE someday it will be different..

    My appreciation to each of you for sharing your thoughts and your deepest feelings ...like Barbara is is wonderful...I keep thinking it doesnt matter how explicit prose is ..it is poetry that pierces my heart...anna

    Nellie Vrolyk
    May 28, 2002 - 04:11 pm
    I would like to share a poem written by an online friend of mine -I have her permission to do so.

    The lighting

    a lone candle
    in the midst of a long wooden table
    in a dark room
    illuminating
    shadowy corners

    the flame
    a lover's missive
    allowing vision's clarity
    penetrating
    the heart

    perplexing
    ever changing
    the flame
    the lover
    flickering silhouettes

    the heart, the flame
    fueled with love
    dances
    leaps of swiftness
    swaying

    swirling
    winds of living
    activating
    both
    candle and lover

    boldly
    they both shine
    lighting the way
    beckoning the beloved
    home

    Ginny Lloyd

    annafair
    May 29, 2002 - 01:20 pm
    How kind of your friend and you to share her poem. I keep hoping with all the great posts in the past few days my muse will be moved to write again. She is sitting somewhere, lost I think in cyber space and I miss her.

    With summer here I have little time to read so the sharing here of your poems and your favorites from other poets really means a lot...

    You all have a great day wherever you are...anna

    Faithr
    May 29, 2002 - 01:25 pm
    Anna maybe our muses went to a convention somewhere and will come back full of ideas and emotions to fill us up again. Don't you hope so? I sure do. Faith

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    May 29, 2002 - 01:59 pm
    I am almost glad to hear others are having a similar problem with a drought on words - I had become so caught up in the news that it seemed to suck all thought patterns from me as I went from disbelief to rage to acceptance to confusion to disillusionment as I realized no one has a corner on the desire for peace. - Then we have last years news with the horror of what we all suspected - and the priest scandel touching on many issues with my reaction being rage - this goes on and on - I am in a black place and need to climb out - so black I can't seem to even think in words.

    I gave up on a garden and I've been feeding the deer - there is a group of about 10 that spend the evening just after dark on my front lawn - observing them has been a balm for my soul.

    Faithr
    May 29, 2002 - 06:38 pm
    Well Barb maybe you hit on the reason our Muses went off to conference. Perhaps they all need a little refreshment for their soul too. And renewal of inspiration. Then there will be a burst of creativity when that takes place as it does, even from the darkest places,when we look at deer, or a star,or watch a river flow on as usual, and it seems to get a little lighter my dear. And life goes on even though our song is still at the moment. Faith

    viogert
    May 29, 2002 - 10:51 pm
    For the average person, who is never fortunate enough to be visited by a muse, we'd suspect that whingeing about her absence would deter any creative spirit from calling.

    In similar unstimulated situations, us lesser mortals find that reading poetry helps us through.

    annafair
    May 30, 2002 - 12:28 am
    Am I glad we are all suffering from a drought of words or saddened because it is true? In any case I will welcome any muse that comes along..as I was sitting here typing this a few lines of a poem from my past came to me..Tell me is it from a Longfellow poem? anyway I will share the few lines that I recall...

    <C>
     

    Let us then be up and doing With a heart for any fate Still achieving, still pursuing Learn to labor and to wait.
     

    Gee the last is hard to do..anna for some reason the poem wont center ...anyone with a suggestion why?

    annafair
    May 30, 2002 - 12:44 am
    Not only has my muse flown but I have hit the edit button at least 6 times trying to give you the words from whatever poem I recalled...I cant get it to center and I cant seem to end it where I want it to...the rest of my message is in italics too...

    I think those muses are playing tricks ...anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    May 30, 2002 - 12:59 am
    Here it is Anna - Longfellow - Pslam of Life

    Oh viogert please do not minimize our pain - remember when you were 4 years old and some thoughts and feelings were just too special so that you just couldn't say it outloud - and so you whispered into usually one of your parent's ear.

    Well that is what writing poetry is like and when we are frozen it is like we are shut down, isolated - our whisper is gone and our whisper is our voice or song or who we are - it may sound like complaining but in truth it is a scarry thing to be voiceless and we are trying to be pragmatic with Faith offering us a window of hope and Anna ancouragement to action. Hope and courage too easily forgotten when we feel sealed in a sack of silence.

    annafair
    May 30, 2002 - 11:27 am
    Barbara you a have a real talent for putting into words the deepest feelings of human kind. You do it with your poetry and now with a line of poetic prose... I thank you for finding just the right thing to say...

    AND for the link to Longfellows Psalm of Life..as I read it the whole poem returned to me...there were so many poems I committed to memory as a young person..They were not assigned just ones that had meaning to me as a young girl. Considering how much poetry has changed since Longfellow wrote that poem I am sure there are some who would disdain the poem but no one could argue with the advice...I know that poem as others I memorized became my life philosophy. And that cant be a bad thing.

    onward and upward..and that reminds me of the poem Excelsior ...today the sun is shining and the humidity low and the temperature not quite as heated ...so wherever you are and what ever you are doing I send you my day to share...anna

    Bob30
    May 30, 2002 - 03:39 pm
    Some close friends have asked me to read a poem, appropriate to the occasion, at their 50th wedding anniversary celebration. I've been searching and coming up with zilch. Any help out there?

    Malryn (Mal)
    May 31, 2002 - 09:08 am
    The June-July-August issue of the m.e.stubbs poetry journal is on the web. Writers Exchange WREX writers and guest contributors whose poetry appears in this issue, along with poems by many other poets, are John T. Baker, Mary Jane Rohr, ET (Bubble), Dr. Robert Bancker Iadeluca, and Marie DiMauro Fredrickson (Moxie). I am pleased to announce that two poems by Barbara St. Aubrey and one by Annafair are in this issue. This is a large and varied collection of poetry, which I know you will enjoy.

    annafair
    May 31, 2002 - 12:59 pm
    I will try and find some of the poetry we used when we renewed our vows for our 25th many years ago. One was Elizabeth Barrett Browinings How do I love you ? another was one I wrote which could easily be a 50th poems as well ...there was also one written by Thomas More an Irish poet ..I researched that last night but did not find it ...it mentions in the last verse something to the effect that the blazing fire may not be there but instead a warm and steady glow. Which is what I feel a long and good marriage brings.

    When do you need this Bob? I have no idea where I located that poem but will look through my books ( see I know I should have catalogued them ) and see if I can find it ..I feel sure it would please ...

    anna

    annafair
    May 31, 2002 - 01:00 pm
    Thanks for the link and I do hope all of you poets and poetry lovers will stop in and see what you will find. I promise you wont be disappointed...anna

    Malryn (Mal)
    May 31, 2002 - 02:43 pm
    Thank you, Anna, and thank you for allowing me to publish your poetry.

    Mal

    Bob30
    May 31, 2002 - 04:58 pm
    Annafair, Thanks for your suggestions. I've only found a few of Moore's, but I don't think "The Time I've Lost by Wooing" is quite the thing. So I'll head for the library. I'd appreciate seeing yours, because the couple asked me to find one or write one. Writing one for an occasion is really a daunting task, so I'd like to read how someone pulled it off.

    Deems
    May 31, 2002 - 05:01 pm
    Bob30~~ Consider Shakespeare's sonnet which begins "Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediment" It's a very good poem.

    viogert
    June 1, 2002 - 01:05 am
    Bob30

    Try Google -- type in "Golden Wedding Poems". There are dozens. Take your choice

    annafair
    June 1, 2002 - 08:55 am
    Thanks for the suggestion I tried Google but wasnt specific enough I guess ...will have to keep that in mind when next I need to do some research....I did try Thomas More but there wasnt a complete listing and the ones that were there was not the one we used...have a great day everyone..anna

    Marvelle
    June 3, 2002 - 09:14 pm
    Just found this site while strolling through the SN offerings. As a late visitor I may be repeating what's already been said about muses and creativity. Creating a poem and reading a poem is a courageous act since it requires feeling. Therefore, after the trauma of 9/11 and other events it's normal to lose creative energy for a while until your emotional strength has returned.

    The poet Donald Hall wrote: "Robert Frost spoke of his poems as occupational therapy, like the wallets or ashtrays which people made in insane asylums, which seem to give shape to chaotic lives . . . .

    "Poets live by extremes, partly because they believe in intensity, and partly because their own art requires this from them. The poet cannot protect himself from feeling, by lies or simply by diminuation of feeling (turning down the volume) or he will be no good. He must learn to live with the volume turned up, even though it is dangerous.

    "There is one way in which poetry is dangerous to readers. It requires the good reader, like the poet, to turn the volume up in order to receive strong and deep feeling. It can involve extremities of pleasure, but equally it can involve extremities of pain, for the sensitive reader. The reader of poetry is making wallets too."

    Not only is there heightened, raw feeling -- good or bad -- but poetry is sly. There isn't any 'single' meaning to a poem and as Hall also mentions, there are large portions of poems which exist outside the poet's conscious intent. Despite the lack of control, or because of this lack, poetry is the art of making wallets. One of my favorite Robert Frost poems addresses this theme (but remember 'no single meaning') and it calls forth my creative spirit as writer and reader and propels my hand back onto the pen-scythe.

    MOWING

    There was never a sound beside the wood but one,
    And that was my long scythe whispering to the ground.
    What was it it whispered? I know not well myself;
    Perhaps it was something about the heat of the sun,
    Something, perhaps, about the lack of sound --
    And that was why it whispered and did not speak.
    It was no dream of the gift of idle hours,
    Or easy gold at the hand of fay or elf;
    Anything more than the truth would have seemed too weak
    To the earnest love that laid the swale in rows,
    Not without feeble-pointed spikes of flowers
    (Pale orchises), and scared a bright green snake.
    The fact is the sweetest dream that labor knows,
    My long scythe whispered and left the hay to make.

    Well, hope ths poem and Hall's article are not repeats of what you've already read. Now I need to write tonight! Frost always inspires me -- or prods me, same difference, same muse.

    Marvelle

    viogert
    June 3, 2002 - 10:31 pm
    Marvelle9 That's perfect - all three parts of your message - Donald Halls, the Frost poem & what you write about poetry is how I feel. "Poetry is sly" you say. That's exactly what it is - at it's best - & for people who have no gift for it, being wide open for that raw quality poets can unleash, & as you say, we make our own wallets.

    Bob30
    June 4, 2002 - 09:13 am
    Annafair, I neglected your request for the time I have before the 50th anniversary. August 31 is the witching day. By the way, there exists a website that offers, for money, to write a poem for such occasions. One fills out an informational sheet and muy pronto, you have a poem, sort of. I read a sample--soppy cliches and meter that went "clunk" every third line. I'll save my money.

    abta
    June 4, 2002 - 01:06 pm
    Can ayone help ........the following has been going round in my mind for several hours now, and its almost driven me crazy trying to remember the source

    " A kiss, when all is said and done,what is it!...A rosy dot placed on the "i" in loving? " If anyone recognises the line,please post the source so that I will be able to sleep tonight

    abta
    June 4, 2002 - 03:28 pm
    I found it folks "a kiss,when all is said ,,what is it?........sightly misquoted by me Im afraid (THe memory,how it fails).of course it was the Bard of Avon (W.Shakespeare), no less.How thick can I get?But thanks to anyone who was researching the problem for me, anyway.

    reading back over previous postings I am astounded how erudite the contributors are, budding Masefields,Byroms,Walter de la Mares and Wordsworths all!. As for me, if I ever atempted to write poetry, the best I could hope for would be a reasonable attempt at doggerel

    ! Aint of you heard of Macgonigal, the poet of Dundee, whos excrutiating attempt at rhymimg verse is uproariously funny?

    Buy seriously folks, as a child brought up in the 1930's I received a torough indoctrination into the poems of Rudyard Kipling (If etc).,Sir Henry Newbolt (Vitae Lampada -theres a breathless hush, in the close tonight, etc), and the soldier poets of WW1, such as Rupert Brook, Victor Sasoon, etc, etc...From this you will have gathered that I am a rater aincient Brit, but if any of you Yankies (former colonials of ours (joke) have the same esoteric tastes, please post

    Marvelle
    June 4, 2002 - 06:52 pm
    For great and horrifying war realism, USA has the narrative of Stephen Crane's "Red Badge of Courage" and the Brits have the poets of WWI.

    abta, I've an interest in Sasoon; who is your favorite WWI poet? Is there one particular poem that calls out which you can share?

    Marvelle

    abta
    June 5, 2002 - 10:24 am
    Marvelle...I think I have to give the laurel to Rupert Brook, not just because of the poetry he wrote in 1914, , which I give below,but also because of the poems about love, and about death, which He wrote in earlier years... as for My favourite ...maybe any of those written in 1914, and most probably "The Soldier", perhaps because as a child in the 30S I heard it so often, as at that time the GreatWar was fresh in every-ones memory-- it had ended only 15 years earlier--

    . Peace

    Now, God be thanked Who has matched us with His hour, And caught our youth, and wakened us from sleeping, With hand made sure, clear eye, and sharpened power, To turn, as swimmers into cleanness leaping, Glad from a world grown old and cold and weary, Leave the sick hearts that honour could not move, And half-men, and their dirty songs and dreary, And all the little emptiness of love!

    Oh! we, who have known shame, we have found release there, Where there's no ill, no grief, but sleep has mending, Naught broken save this body, lost but breath; Nothing to shake the laughing heart's long peace there But only agony, and that has ending; And the worst friend and enemy is but Death.

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    II. Safety

    Dear! of all happy in the hour, most blest He who has found our hid security, Assured in the dark tides of the world that rest, And heard our word, `Who is so safe as we?' We have found safety with all things undying, The winds, and morning, tears of men and mirth, The deep night, and birds singing, and clouds flying, And sleep, and freedom, and the autumnal earth. We have built a house that is not for Time's throwing. We have gained a peace unshaken by pain for ever. War knows no power. Safe shall be my going, Secretly armed against all death's endeavour; Safe though all safety's lost; safe where men fall; And if these poor limbs die, safest of all.

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    III. The Dead

    Blow out, you bugles, over the rich Dead! There's none of these so lonely and poor of old, But, dying, has made us rarer gifts than gold. These laid the world away; poured out the red Sweet wine of youth; gave up the years to be Of work and joy, and that unhoped serene, That men call age; and those who would have been, Their sons, they gave, their immortality.

    Blow, bugles, blow! They brought us, for our dearth, Holiness, lacked so long, and Love, and Pain. Honour has come back, as a king, to earth, And paid his subjects with a royal wage; And Nobleness walks in our ways again; And we have come into our heritage.

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    IV. The Dead

    These hearts were woven of human joys and cares, Washed marvellously with sorrow, swift to mirth. The years had given them kindness. Dawn was theirs, And sunset, and the colours of the earth. These had seen movement, and heard music; known Slumber and waking; loved; gone proudly friended; Felt the quick stir of wonder; sat alone; Touched flowers and furs and cheeks. All this is ended.

    There are waters blown by changing winds to laughter And lit by the rich skies, all day. And after, Frost, with a gesture, stays the waves that dance And wandering loveliness. He leaves a white Unbroken glory, a gathered radiance, A width, a shining peace, under the night.

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    V. The Soldier

    If I should die, think only this of me: That there's some corner of a foreign field That is for ever England. There shall be In that rich earth a richer dust concealed; A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware, Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam, A body of England's, breathing English air, Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

    And think, this heart, all evil shed away, A pulse in the eternal mind, no less Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given; Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day; And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness, In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.

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    The Treasure

    When colour goes home into the eyes, And lights that shine are shut again With dancing girls and sweet birds' cries Behind the gateways of the brain; And that no-place which gave them birth, shall close The rainbow and the rose: -- -

    Still may Time hold some golden space Where I'll unpack that scented store Of song and flower and sky and face, And count, and touch, and turn them o'er, Musing upon them; as a mother, who Has watched her children all the rich day through Sits, quiet-handed, in the fading light, When children sleep, ere night.

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    The

    abta
    June 5, 2002 - 11:17 am
    Marvelle....of course, there were many more poets than Brook,Jessie Pope,Isaac Rosenberg,Julien Grenfell,Owen Seaman, Wilfred Owen, and he in whom you have an intrest Segfreid (I will persist in calling him victor,I dont know why)Sassoon. Some of these wrote far more directly about their war than did Brook, as is illustrated by Sassoon in his poem "Counter Attack",with which you are familiar,no doubt but foe the benifit of those who may be "lurking" in this discussion site,and who may not know it, here it is, in all its brutal honesty.

    Counter-Attack

    WE'D gained our first objective hours before While dawn broke like a face with blinking eyes, Pallid, unshaved and thirsty, blind with smoke. Things seemed all right at first. We held their line, With bombers posted, Lewis guns well placed, And clink of shovels deepening the shallow trench. The place was rotten with dead; green clumsy legs High-booted, sprawled and grovelled along the saps And trunks, face downward, in the sucking mud, Wallowed like trodden sand-bags loosely filled; And naked sodden buttocks, mats of hair, Bulged, clotted heads slept in the plastering slime. And then the rain began,--the jolly old rain!

    A yawning soldier knelt against the bank, Staring across the morning blear with fog; He wondered when the Allemands would get busy; And then, of course, they started with five-nines Traversing, sure as fate, and never a dud. Mute in the clamour of shells he watched them burst Spouting dark earth and wire with gusts from hell, While posturing giants dissolved in drifts of smoke. He crouched and flinched, dizzy with galloping fear, Sick for escape,--loathing the strangled horror And butchered, frantic gestures of the dead.

    An officer came blundering down the trench: 'Stand-to and man the fire-step!' On he went... Gasping and bawling, 'Fire-step ... counter-attack!' Then the haze lifted. Bombing on the right Down the old sap: machine-guns on the left; And stumbling figures looming out in front. 'O Christ, they're coming at us!' Bullets spat, And he remembered his rifle ... rapid fire... And started blazing wildly ... then a bang Crumpled and spun him sideways, knocked him out To grunt and wriggle: none heeded him; he choked And fought the flapping veils of smothering gloom, Lost in a blurred confusion of yells and groans... Down, and down, and down, he sank and drowned, Bleeding to death. The counter-attack had failed.

    ..........this cou;ld only have been written by a front line soldier, and very likely from personal experience...I doubt if anyone could counjour up such a vevid picture of what hell on earth the words convay,from only their imagination, hewever fertile it may have been

    abta
    June 5, 2002 - 12:05 pm
    Marvelle.Its me again and I am still firmly astride my hobby-horse.I dont know if you are aware of the fact that the most famous piece of poetry to come out of the 1914-1918 war was not a complete poem, nor was it written by one of the "Soldier Poets"It appears on almost allof the many thousands of War Memorials which are in almost every City, Town and Village in the United Kingdom, where the names of local servicemen who gave their lives are listed,It is also receitd at every Rembrace Day Ceremony of the British Legion on the 11th November each year.The poem from which it was taken was "For the Fallen" by Lawrence Binyon, which was published in "The Times" in

    London on the 21st September 1914 and the author, who was working at the British Museun at the time of publication,and was never a serving soldier, although he did go to the Western Front in 1916, as a Red Cross orderley. here is the poem

    For The Fallen

    With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,

    England mourns for her dead across the sea.

    Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,

    Fallen in the cause of the free.



    Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal

    Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,

    There is music in the midst of desolation

    And a glory that shines upon our tears.

    They went with songs to the battle, they were young,

    Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.

    They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;

    They fell with their faces to the foe.

    They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old:

    Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

    At the going down of the sun and in the morning

    We will remember them.

    They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;

    They sit no more at familiar tables of home;

    They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;

    They sleep beyond England's foam.

    But where our desires are and our hopes profound,

    Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight , To the innermost heart of their own land they are known

    As the stars are known to the Night;





    As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,

    Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;

    As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,

    To the end, to the end, they remain.

    abta
    June 5, 2002 - 12:33 pm
    Somehow I clould not make the presentation of "For the Fallen" come out correctly

    The poem consists of stanzas of four lines each, and it is the fourth stanza (They shall not grow old.etc) which everyone the the UK knows, and which appears, almost without exception, on the War Memorials.I found these facts most intresting, hope you did too!

    annafair
    June 5, 2002 - 05:04 pm
    If ever there was a time to read what war is really like it must be now. Sometimes there just are no words to say how poetry and the images it burns into our hearts and minds affects us. That is where I am right now. I am sure every one who stops here and takes the time to read the posts will feel like I.

    I am going to share a quote from my daily email from the NY TIMES....because it fits here. I do have permission from the Times to use the quote....so the following is Reprinted With Permission (c)yr. The New York Times Company "It's ironic that poets use words to convey what lies beyond words, that poetry becomes most powerful when simple language fails."

    Those who have read my posts know poetry touches me when the best prose doesnt. There is a rythmn to the poetic word and like the quote it conveys what lies beyond words.

    I believe poets see with their hearts and souls, and all the senses are involved ..interwoven so that to try and separate the strands would kill the thoughts and the effort.

    Welcome to all who have come calling.. We hope you will stop often and share with us.

    anna

    annafair
    June 6, 2002 - 02:34 am
    Thanks for your sharing of the prose poems My class at the local university had just entered the prose poem study when I had to drop out due to some needed surgery. That has been two years ago and I hope to return this fall ..

    So I wasnt quite sure what a prose poem was. The ones you shared are truly poetry ..please share the one you mentioned ..I am sure we would all appreciate reading it...anna

    Marvelle
    June 6, 2002 - 03:46 am
    Here's a clickable link with a few Spencer Holst tales/prose poems -- most predominate is The Zebra Storyteller

    This pretty much sums up what I see as wonderfully dangerous poetry.

    What is a prose poem? There you have a problem because some deny that prose poetry exists and those who say it exists can rarely agree on a definition. My basic rule of thumb is that if it looks like prose but sounds and feels like poetry, its a prose poem. Sly, eh? Here are some definitions:

    Russell Edson -- a prose poem is like "a cast-iron aeroplane that can actually fly, mainly because its pilot does not care if it does or not . . .nevertheless, this heavier-than-air prose monstrosity, this cast-iron toy will be seen to be floating over the trees. It's all done from the cockpit. The joy stick is made of flesh. The pilot sits on an old kitchen chair before a table covered with an oilcloth. The coffee cups and spoons seem to be the controls. But the pilot is asleep. You re right, this aeroplane seems to fly because its pilot dreams . .. ."

    Charles Simic -- the prose poem is a "literary hybrid, an impossible amalgamation of lyric poetry, anecdote, fairy talek, allegory, joke, journal entry, and many other kinds of prose. Prose poems are the culinary equivalent of peasant dishes, like paella and gumbo, which bring together a great variety of ingredients and flavors, and which in the end, thanks to the art of the cook, somehow blend. Except, the parallel is not exact. Prose poetry does not follow a recipe. The dishes it concocts are unpredictable and often vary from form to form."

    The metaphysics of a prose poet: Russell Edson, "The world's a strange place . . . It helps to think of oneself as a secret agent."

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 6, 2002 - 05:43 am
    Another working guide to identifying or writing a prose poem: uses all the literary devises of traditional poetry, except for rhyme, the line break, and the metrical beat. The prose poem is difficult to write and still create the feelings and power of a traditional poem. It isn't a genre for the fainthearted. I bet the posters at the Poetry Course can come up with a better definition. Or perhaps someone here can provide one?

    Marvelle

    abta
    June 6, 2002 - 06:51 am
    You probably thought that with my delared intrest in poets of the Victorian/Edwardian periodand the Soldier Poets of WW1 I must be a somewhat sombre and serious kind of chap.Not a bit of it! I enjoy humour, and nothing is more humourous than the poetry of my local area written in the true dialect of the Colne and Rawtenstall valleys, and of the valley of the River Roach.It invariably deals with normal day to day events was written by local people,olthough the authors of many of te offerings are unknown. here is a sample, about a young miner in the Lancashire coalfields

     

    LOVES NOT SO BLIND.

    Young bob "e" wor a batchelor Wi reg'la work in't pit An monny a caps bin set at im But soar fer "e" esnt bit



    Pit baths ed nod bin thowt on then Soar "e" weshed isel inta sink An scrubbed issel wi't loofah Till "e" geet issel all pink.

    Coorse monny a time e'd fall asleep Before e'd weshed i's pate An e'd sleep reight through till mornin An bi wakkend wi is mate

    Soar off e'd gooa black face an all Wi bait stuffed dairn is shirt It were no use then to wesh issel When "e" wore gooin back ti dirt

    Airt be young bob once med a date Wi a lass as tuk is fancy Shi'd promised terr gooa a walk wi im An beleive er name were Nancy

    "E" dashes ooam fray t pit that day Ter get isself spruced up Bud fell asleep when"ed" had is tay An wore late I wakkenin up

    "E" flung issel in't sunday suit Silk muffler fer is neck An patent shoes like mirrors As urt is feet like eck.

    "E" met is girl at meeting place An ast er air e lukked But shi just stood theer goggling Like as if she'd seen a spook

    Then shi sed ah like thi suit lad Thi shood cut quite a pace Tha's just med one mistake bob Tha's fergetten ti wesh thi face.

    Do you like it folks,just read it phonetically Do you understand it, and have you met "Lanky"before?

    Marvelle
    June 6, 2002 - 11:33 am
    Dear Lanky! He tried so hard with his mirrored shoes as urt is feet like eck. He forgot to look upwards ti wesh is face. What a beautiful dialect and nice, breezy poem.

    I found out that the Poetry Course closed so maybe some of the folks will switch over here. We'll have to wait and see. What kinds of poetry do you like, abta? Any special period (Victorian), locale, type? I like all kinds as long as it is dangerous and, therefore, we can make wallets. (See posts 684 & 685 -- I think?! -- for explanations.) I like Dickinson, Yeats, Frost, Keats -- on and on. Traditional and non but I tend toward the lyric side.

    Marvelle

    abta
    June 6, 2002 - 12:16 pm
    Marvelle.....loking at your list of preferred poets. I think you might include Wordsworth in that part of the list which" goes on and on".If I am correct in that assumption you will probably enjoy the following...........

    Wordsworth 

    I wandered, lonely as a dog That roams o'er heathland, moor and bog When all at once I chanced to spy A cloak-ed figure passing by

    His left hand clutched a copy book From time-to-time he glanced a look And in his right, a pen or quill He halted, mused and stood there-- still !

    His eyes betrayed a wistful air He looked through me--I was not there Said he " Please help me sir---please, if you will" "How many f's in daffodil" ?

    abta
    June 6, 2002 - 01:01 pm
    The Lake Isle of Innisfree  
    WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS  
    I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree, 
    And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made; 
    Nine bean rows will I have there, a hive for the honey bee, 
    And live alone in the bee-loud glade. 

    And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow, Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings; There midnight's, all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow, And evening full of the linnet's wings.

    I will arise and go now, for always night and day I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore; While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements gray, I hear it in the deep heart's core.

    annafair
    June 6, 2002 - 02:53 pm
    You are keeping the fires in poetry glowing...

    First let me thank you marvelle for the prose poem definitions...I tried my hand with a few but am not sure they would or should be called a poem and since I dropped out of the class I had no one to tell me what I was writing..

    abta ...ah I did understand your poem...perhaps because my Irish grandmother lived with us when I was growing up and she regularly had "tay" and had a very delightful brogue which took some patience and hard listening and then figuring out exactly what she was saying...So your poem made me smile at the memories of my grandmother who felt she deserved to be treated special and so she was...and she was very special too.

    abta
    June 6, 2002 - 04:51 pm
    If you enjoyed "The Lake Isle of Innesfree" you nay be interested in the following comentry about its author

    (English version of Introduction to Hakibbutz Hameuchad edition of Yeats’ Poems, translated by Ephraim Broide, published 2001)

    Although it is common to introduce the writings of a famous poet with biographical information, in the case of Yeats it is fundamental. Henry David Thoreau once wrote, “My life is the poem I would have writ,/ but I could not both live and utter it,” but for

    Yeats the interrelationship between his poetry and his life was crucial. For Yeats created his biography and his identity with a mind to his poetry. It was often noted by his contemporaries that Yeats in effect created himself just has he created his poetry. His collected poems were continuously being rewritten in his lifetime to fit into the general pattern of his works as he reconceived them, and he even considered editing his own letters. Louis Untermeyer called Yeats’ Collected Works an “objective correlative for the entirety of Yeats' life and thought, a kind of literary efor the total experience of the man, a total experience shaped, through art, into a form less perishable than flesh, a form freed from accident” Untermeyer also explained the reason for this: "Yeats struggled, - as publicly as possible - to interpret his life and work, to construct a kind of vast gestalt in which his experience, his prose statements, and his art would unite in one complex but vivid thing." Yeats’ search for organic, artistic wholeness, is in his collected works, every individual poem and in every element of his life as well.

    It began with a division. Yeats’ parents were extremely ill-matched. A landowning Barrister who became a pre-Raphaelite painter, Yeats’ father, John Butler Yeats, enjoyed nothing more than living in London in the atmosphere of his cosmopolitan English colleagues, Dante Gabriel Rossetti, William Morris and Edward Burne-Jones. His mother, Susan Pollexfen, was only really at home with her family in Sligo, in the mystical, provincial west of Ireland, and found herself in the city depressed to the point of numbness. Two years after Yeats was born on 13 June, 1865 in Dublin, his father moved the family to London in 1867, neglecting his lands in Ireland. Because of this and the land wars, the family’s annual income greatly diminished, and his mother was forced to cope with a greatly changed life-style. After that Susan returned as often as possible to Sligo and until his 13th year Yeats grew up with idyllic summers in the country and painful, poor winters in the cultural stimulation of London.

    Yeats incorporated this Anglo-Irish antithesis in his poetic identity. Even in his early poems, such as “The Lake Isle of Innesfree,his best-known work, he ‘stands on the pavements grey’ of London and dreams of a Rocky island in Lough Gill, County Sligo,. Although he longs for Innesfree, the language and grammar reflect that his going is in some vague, poetic future. In his last poems, he not only commands his burial “Under Ben Bulben,” the mountain in Drumcliff, Sligo, but writes his own epitaph, imagining his eternity only in the homeland of his mother. But his fame came more easily in England than Ireland.

    His education was neither formal, nor organised, nor pleasant – he learned to read only at nine when his father beat him. And although he did go to high school in Dublin, he probably learned more on the way to school, listening in the train to his father talk about the PreRaphaelite painters and poets. This group of poets and painters of the mid-nineteenth century who revolutionized both art and poetry created some basic rules that would permeate English culture until modernism took over in the second decade of the twentieth century. Their manifesto was straightforward: fidelity to nature, democracy of components – equality of attention to details, a yearning for an idyllic past, usually medieval, a respect for the personal and handmade in architecture, and later the feeling of the coming end of an era.

    When Yeats decided after a short period in art school that he wanted to be a poet, his father encouraged him, urging him to ignore practical considerations: "A gentleman is not concerned with getting-on,” he said, forgetting that the economic circumstances in which he was raising his children desperately demanded precisely this knowledge of ‘getting-on.’

    Yeats’ Pre-Raphaelite background helped him to perceive the value in the native culture of Ireland, but his dreams of a ‘fairy-tale-like’ poetry soon changed as he became involved in Irish nationalism, developing Irish poetry and translating from Irish sources with the idea of creating a national consciousness.

    This thematic opposition was complicated by his early and lifelong love for a beautiful Irish terrorist, Maud Gonne. “I was 23 years old when the troubling of my life began,” Yeats writes in his Memoirs. In January 1889 she came to visit him in London, and he wrote: “I had never thought to see in a living woman so great a beauty.” For much of the rest of his life he would remain enamoured of her, and she would reject his proposals with the phrase, “The world should thank me for not marrying you.” She became the subject of his poetry, the reason he needed to write, communicate and succeed. “He wishes for the clothes of heaven” is clearly for her, and more specifically, in “Words,” he points out how he might have given up his entire career as a poet had she been able to understand him. Years later, despite his successful marriage, she was in his mind in lines like those in “After Long Silence,” “young we loved one another and were innocent.”

    With Gonne, Yeats developed his interest in Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophists, a group who believed that knowledge of God could be attained through spiritual ecstasy and direct intuition, but he eventually was asked to leave because he demanded proof. Yet he remained interested in the Cabbala, Order of the Golden Dawn, mysticism, magic, spiritualism, astrology, and his work is imbued with this duality of spiritualism and the need for verification.

    In 1894 Yeats met Lady Augusta Gregory, and soon after began another chapter in his life recorded in his poems. For not only did she act as his patron, supporting him at her estate in Coole Park during the summers (where he wrote “The Wild Swans of Coole” and other works), but she also worked on numerous Irish projects together with Yeats.

    Yeats also benefited from the friendship of Ezra Pound with whom he lived for a few winters, and who acted as his secretary, honing Yeats’ style and outlook. Pound was to some extent responsible for the modernization i

    Marvelle
    June 6, 2002 - 08:00 pm
    Anna, would love to see yur prose pomes! (Yikes, I'm infected with The Dialect. Jes cant stop.)

    Marvelle

    xxxxx
    June 6, 2002 - 11:26 pm
    abta, thanks for all that information on Yeats. I have visited his grave in Drumcliff churchyard each time that I have been in Ireland, a trip now long overdue.

    His brother, Jack, was an extraordinarily talented painter. I was fortunate enough to see a giant retrospective of his work in NYC in the late 60s/early 70s, and it was stunning. He was also an intriguing writer - plays and novels mostly, bits of poetry, the creator of a fantastical world with great humor. Yeats' two sisters began the Cuala Press, which published delightful books with hand-colored prints. A family that genius took up residence in.

    The characterization of Maude Gonne as a "terrorist" is jarring, if not just plain insulting. She was one of the few leaders of the Easter Rebellion of 1916 to survive execution - she was the first woman ever elected to the British parliament, though she was not eligible being a woman - the Irish were contrary. She served as military leader in open warfare, commanding her men in their position at the College of Surgeons. Her actions, and the actions of those who fought and died there, led to the declaration of the Irish Republic in 1918 after the republican supporters won everwhelming victory at the polls. Please, do not demean the woman with the word "terrorist." This word has come to be used to cover such a broad variety of people and causes as to have no meaning now, other than as a propaganda device intended to raise up blind hatred and to close off all thinking.

    Jack

    annafair
    June 7, 2002 - 01:42 am
    Marvelle I intended to find one of the poems I hoped was a prose poem but it is late and this was one I found in my file so I am sharing it ...

     

    Meeting someone new
     

    The days of grief are less They have simmered over My heart's fire and now Are just residue of old desire
     

    I no longer poke or prod The ashes of what was Not content to say goodbye Still that is my ardent wish
     

    To put aside the fantasies The heart held hope That somehow this nightmare Will dissolve, end now
     

    Dare I whisper to you A truth that is fact There is someone new Who makes my heartbeat hum?
     

    He is not you in looks Nor in a thousand ways Yet he speaks sincere Gives me the peace I seek.
     

    You I have not forgotten I often feel you near I seek a clue, forgiveness For meeting someone new.
     
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    9/14/2000 
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    annafair
    June 7, 2002 - 02:16 am
    Your fave poem by Yeats

     

    Sailing to Byzantium
     

    THAT is no country for old men. The young In one another's arms, birds in the trees - Those dying generations - at their song, The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas, Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long Whatever is begotten, born, and dies. Caught in that sensual music all neglect Monuments of unageing intellect.
     

    An aged man is but a paltry thing, A tattered coat upon a stick, unless Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing For every tatter in its mortal dress, Nor is there singing school but studying Monuments of its own magnificence; And therefore I have sailed the seas and come To the holy city of Byzantium.
     

    O sages standing in God's holy fire As in the gold mosaic of a wall, Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre, And be the singing-masters of my soul. Consume my heart away; sick with desire And fastened to a dying animal It knows not what it is; and gather me Into the artifice of eternity.
     

    Once out of nature I shall never take My bodily form from any natural thing, But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make Of hammered gold and gold enamelling To keep a drowsy Emperor awake; Or set upon a golden bough to sing To lords and ladies of Byzantium Of what is past, or passing, or to come.

    annafair
    June 7, 2002 - 02:21 am
    I wanted to share with you ..I did not laboriously type the poems ...Using google search I found all of Yeats poems..highlighted and copied your favorite ...returned here and copied it to my message..and I am so glad you have shared your love for Yeats as I have spent the past hour enjoying and reading his poetry ...sometimes we forget how great the "old" poets are..but I love all poetry..and it is good to re read ..anna

    viogert
    June 7, 2002 - 03:36 am
    Kevxu. . . Thanks for your gallant defence of a brave Irishwoman.

    Annafair . . . With respect, Yeats is still considered a 'modern' poet by students - he's not that 'old'. Considering he didn't die until 1939 & I was all of 12 at the time, I thought of him as 'contemporary'.

    Marvelle
    June 7, 2002 - 05:48 am
    Actually, Yeats is both an old poet and a new poet. The poetry he wrote as a young man would classify him as a good Victorian poet. If Yeats' poetry had not changed we would think of him as Victorian. He did not stop there, however. He kept changing in his craft and bridged the time between Victorian and modern. I don't believe any other poet of his (2) time period(s) succeeded as well.

    Thanks for the Yeats poem, Anna, for for your own beautiful poem. The aftermath of mourning has never been better expressed than "the days of grief are less...they have simmered over my heart's fire". Lovely.

    Marvelle

    annafair
    June 7, 2002 - 07:16 am
    Thankfully the wind and hail predicted failed to materilize but the rain came and soaked the ground who welcomed it...

    Jack thanks for the information about Maud Gonne...having read The Great Hunger about the Irish potato famine .which led my ancestors to come to America I am finding I have a need to know more about the country they left behind and the people.

    I never knew my Irish grandfather but my grandmother lived with us for about 9 years...She was old in age but so highsprited, opinionated, feisty and full of stories ..I only wish I had listened ..it was difficult since she did have a brogue and I was very young when she came. Your information about Maud Gonne helps me to understand the independent spirit of my grandmother..

    You are right Yeats isnt an old poet I was thinking more of the fact he is not one of the poets younger people think of..at least not the ones I know. Still 63 years ago is ancient to most students today.

    My youngest daughter who admires all things Irish asked me the other day if she fulfilled her dream to visit Ireland would I like to go...does YES sound too strong?

    anna

    xxxxx
    June 7, 2002 - 10:05 am
    THE SECOND COMING



    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all convictions, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.


    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
    The darkness drops again; but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

    xxxxx
    June 7, 2002 - 11:07 am
    I mixed up the details of Yeats's friend, Maude Gonne (frequently referred to as Madame MacBride), with those of her contemporary and friend, Constance Gore-Booth Markievicz. Con Markievicz was the election winner and military leader. Just to set the record straight:

    Maude Gonne became independenly wealthy at a young age upon the death of her father, who had agreed to finance her work with the Land League. She was an extremely beautiful woman. She became a strong believer in what was the radical politics of the late 19th century - land ownership for peasants, feeding the dispossed poor, supporting the urban workers' movements, etc. She had to leave Ireland at one point because of her work with dispossessed tenants of English landlords in Ireland. She published a republican newspaper in her exile. She acted in many nationalist and folk-derived plays upon her return to Ireland, was active in a variety of support activities for the urban poor, organized women's groups and constantly protested against various royalist events in Ireland. She refused to marry Yeats, and told him that the world would thank her for it. She was unhappily married to John MacBride, a leader in the 1916 Easter Rebellion who was executed; her friend Constance Markievicz, also a military leader, was sent to a prison camp. She campaigned against the conscription of Irishmen into the British army and was imprisioned for this. During the Irish War for Independence she helped organize the White Cross which worked to relieve the distress of war victims, and a group that worked with female poltical prisoners. She also collected information on atrocities commited in SW Ireland by the police and the army.

    Maude had had a child by a married French politician with whom she had a long affair. The child, a boy, died and she was grief stricken. She was later told that the souls of children reincarnate, and intenionally conceived again on the grave of her first child. The resulting child was a daughter, Iseult, whom Yeats fell in love with years later and proposed to. Like her mother, she refused him.

    Maude Gonne died clutching the booties of her first child. She had remained an unquenchable republican her entire life, and lived into the 1950s, outliving all her contemporaries except Eammon DeValera (whom she hated), a fiery relic of the heyday of Irish republicanism and the Irish Literary Renaissance.

    Jack

    annafair
    June 7, 2002 - 12:35 pm
    Thanks to everyone for the information...and for the poem The Second COming..I always felt it was so powerful. I think it gives me hope that in spite of where we are today ..there will be another day ...

    anna

    Marvelle
    June 7, 2002 - 08:26 pm
    "And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

    --Yeats

    I don't know about feeling encouraged by this poem. Yeats is sly too and his poems have multiple meanings. And the words!! Rough beast, slouches --- would a saviour slouch? The encouragement comes to me, not in the rough beast, but that we have poets who keep us informed, wake us up, warn us, soothe us, and their final gift to us is the realization that with such powerful magic as poetry and the arts -- the world will continue.

    Yeats' poems bypass my brain to go straight into my blood. One of the things I love about Yeats is that you can read one of his poems to mean one thing, and another person sees something else. And both of us would be right.

    Marvelle

    xxxxx
    June 8, 2002 - 04:07 am
    I feel as Marvelle does about "Second Coming," it's not a poem that I find encouraging, its apocalyptic tone makes me too uneasy to find it reassuring.

    Yeats has always been among my Top Ten, no matter who else might have been there, and come and gone. He lived a long creative life and his juices flowed the entire time, and better and better it often seems to me. Thus, reading his poetry is somewhat akin to reading the poetry of several different men, though of course he returns again and again to certain themes.

    Years ago, when I had had a difficult spine operation and was in the hospital on my back for several weeks I read Yeats's poetry from first to last. I still have that copy with its blotchy markings and squiggly lines which came from the fact that I had to remain flat and, therefore, had to hold the book overhead to read and make annotations.

    I would suggest that if you like the fantastical, the tongue-in-cheek, the sly and wisdom in an old overcoat you'll find the writings of his brother Jack very, very much to your taste. And his oil paintings are a universe of their own, though once you've read a bit of his prose you'll notice reflections of one in the other. His written work is somewhat difficult to find nowadays.

    Jack

    xxxxx
    June 8, 2002 - 04:13 am

    That lover of a night
    Came when he would,
    Went in the dawning light
    Whether I would or no;
    Men come, men go:
    All things remain in God.



    Banners choke the sky;
    Men-at-arms tread;
    Armoured horses neigh
    In the narrow pass:
    All things remain in God.



    Before their eyes a house
    That from childhood stood
    Uninhabited, ruinous,
    Suddenly lit up
    From door to top:
    All things remain in God.



    I had wild Jack for a lover;
    Though like a road men pass over
    My body makes no moan
    But sings on:
    All things remain in God.

    #

    I think this is nothing short of magnificent!

    Jack

    xxxxx
    June 8, 2002 - 04:41 am
    Antoine O Raifteiri was a blind poet of the early 19th century who wandered the roads of Mayo, making poems in Irish for his living. His life and his unrequited love for Mary Hynes, a great peasant beauty of the countryside fascinated Yeats. (A friend of mine had the great grandson of Mary Hynes for a teacher.) This poem, "Mise Raifteiri" has been passed down as the poet's remark when he heard someone in a tavern where he was reciting ask who the poet was. (By the way, the translation catches the feeling of the original Irish well.)

    I am Raftery the poet,
    Full of hope and love,
    With eyes without light,
    Calm without anguish.



    Going back in my travels
    By the light of my heart
    Weary and tired
    To the end of my journey.



    Look at me now
    And my back to the wall,
    Playing music
    To empty pockets.

    xxxxx
    June 8, 2002 - 05:17 am
    This is one of the oldest poem texts in the Irish language. While very personal, it does set up the conflict between the new Christian ways and the old pre-Christian society. The old woman is being kept by nuns.

    This is the translation by Eleanor Hull, not, in my estimation, as good as others. It's far more tame than the original Irish.



    Ebb tide to me!
    My life drifts downward with the drifting sea
    Old age has caught and compassed me about,
    The tides of time run out.



    The " Hag of Beare!"
    'Tis thus I hear the young girls jeer and mock
    Yet I, who in these cast-off clouts appear,
    Once donned a queenly smock.



    Ye love but self,
    Ye churls! to-day ye worship pelf!
    But in the days I lived we sought for men,
    We loved our lovers then!



    Ah! swiftly when
    Their splendid chariots coursed upon the plain,
    I checked their pace, for me they flew amain,
    Held in by curb and rein.



    I envy not the old,
    Whom gold adorns, whom richest robes enfold,
    But ah! the girls, who pass my cell at morn,
    While I am shorn!



    On sweet May-morn
    Their ringing laughter on the breeze is borne,
    While I, who shake with ague and with age,
    In Litanies engage.



    Amen! and woe is me!
    I lie here rotting like a broken tree
    Each acorn has its day and needs must fall,
    Time makes an end of all!



    I had my day with kings!
    We drank the brimming mead, the ruddy wine,
    Where now I drink whey-water; for company more fine
    Than shrivelled hags, hag though I am, I pine.



    The flood-tide thine!
    Mine but the low down-curling ebb-tide's flow,
    My youth, my hope, are carried from my hand,
    Thy flood-tide foams to land.



    My body drops
    Slowly but sure towards the abode we know
    When God's High Son takes from me all my props
    It will be time to go!



    Bony my arms and bare
    Could you but see them 'neath the mantle's flap.
    Wizened and worn, that once were round and fair,
    When kings lay in my lap.



    'Tis, "O my God" with me,
    Many prayers said, yet more prayers left undone
    If I could spread my garment in the sun
    I'd say them, every one.



    The sea-wave talks,
    Athwart the frozen earth grim winter stalks
    Young Fermod, son of Mugh, ne'er said me nay,
    Yet he comes not to-day.



    How still they row,
    Oar dipped by oar the wavering reeds among,
    To Alma's shore they press, a ghostly throng,
    Deeply they sleep and long.



    No lightsome laugh
    Disturbs my fireside's stillness; shadows fall,
    And quiet forms are gathering round my hearth,
    Yet lies the hand of silence on them all.



    I do not deem it ill
    That a nun's veil should rest upon my head
    But finer far my feast-robe's various hue
    To me, when all is said.



    My very cloak grows old
    Grey its tint, its woof is frayed and thin
    I seem to feel grey hairs within its fold,
    Or are they on my skin



    O·happy Isle of Ocean,
    Thy flood-tide leaps to meet eddying wave
    Lifting it up and onward. Till the grave
    The sea-wave comes not after ebb for me.



    I find them not
    Those sunny sands I knew so well of yore
    Only the surf's sad roar sounds up to me,
    My tide will turn no more.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 8, 2002 - 12:34 pm
    Oh thank you - thank you for sharing that one Jack - worthy of copying and tucking in among my saved poems - I may just read that one into a tape and play it several times on my way to the coast - Leave tonight for a week with my kids and grands - so many lines are just too perfect -- "Each acorn has its day and needs must fall," -- "Athwart the frozen earth grim winter stalks" -- "Oar dipped by oar the wavering reeds among," -- "Only the surf's sad roar sounds up to me,"

    annafair
    June 8, 2002 - 02:52 pm
    I dont think there is a line in that poem Jack that doesnt pierce my heart. Would I have appreciated it when I was young? Most likely not but now at my own ebb tide it has me saying YES YES YES I understand.

    To say more or elaborate would take away from the poem and what I feel so I just thank you for sharing.

    anna

    annafair
    June 8, 2002 - 03:09 pm
    Marvelle and Jack I understand your feeling...at first it does seem ominous but I think when I first read it ..have no idea how many years ago..I felt a bit chilled..A rough beast for a second coming not the gentle Savior I knew as a child..but then the part of me that always feels an new beginning cannot be all bad...

    MArvelle you have said what I always remind poetry lovers...we have the poets thoughts and feeling, we have the poets input as he sees ..and we bring ourselves to the poem with our past, our thoughts and feelings which means everyone who reads poetry sees it differently and everyone is right.

    Once I wrote a poem about God recreating the world after we had managed to destroy it and I asked in the last line ..This time does God look at what He has wrought and declares IT IS BAD? That is not an exact quote for I would have to look it up but I think you know what I meant....

    Your thoughts and minds and sharing exhilerate me...and I thank you each for sitting down and visiting here ...for when I leave I take away something..and that is GOOD>>>anna

    Marvelle
    June 10, 2002 - 05:30 am
    Look at me now
    And my back to the wall
    playing music
    to empty pockets

    Thanks Jack for the poems. Rafferty managed to get back at his doubters didn't he? Yeats repeating line that god remains reminds me of the Spanish poem by a famous nun -- Teresa? what's her last name? I'll try to look it up.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 10, 2002 - 09:10 am
    He is my fave poet and especially this poem. What I like about Yeats is that you can enjoy and feel the poem without fully understanding it or identifying his allusions. That is the mark, I believe, of a fine writer. Wharton and Robert Frost also do this in their work. When I first read "Sailing..." I was lifted up, not so much uplifted, but just feeling as if I were in another, wonderful world. There were some 'odd' things in the poem that I didn't understand at first, second, third ... readings but that was alright because the poem had life and stood on its own. Then as I read more poetry and stories, I began to catch some of the allusions. Each added depth and meaning to the poem and it was richer and more complex than I thought possible for such a short piece of writing.

    One of the first allusions I caught was Blake -- "unless soul clap its hands and sing...." There are others. Could we make this a game and posters include an allusion they caught in the poem? Then we could see why they are there; what they add to the poem.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 10, 2002 - 05:23 pm
    To see a world in a grain of sand
    And heaven in a wild flower
    Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
    And eternity in an hour.

    ---- Blake

    Blake was a British poet, painter, visionary, and engraver. (Yeats, of course, proposed that Blake was actually Irish through ancestry.) Blake believed in imagination over reason and that if we relied on the material -- only what we see -- we would be misled into thinking that the physical is all that is real, just as Plato argued in the Allegory of the Cave. He was a nonconformist who associated with other radicals such as Thomas Paine and Mary Wollstonecraft. Blake attacked the monarchy, authority, industrialization, rationalism, and organized religion. He said god was within each human and not in Churches.

    Blake was a 24/7 poet. He frightened many people and argued even when it went against his own well being. When invited to the dinner table of a much-needed benefactor, Blake had such a violent argument that he left and lost the sponsor.

    As a child he saw a tree filled with angels. These visions kept coming. When William Blake, as an adult, was asked by a cynic about the so-called visions -- did he really see angels and demons? -- Blake said yes but that a vision comes here (tapping his forehead) from the imagination. Even in his near-empty residence, Blake imagined a castle overflowing with gold, sumptuous furnishings and fine food.His beloved brother Robert died when still a young man and Blake saw Robert's spirit rise up to the ceiling, "clapping its hands for joy." Poets normally use the word "song" to mean poem and Blake named many of his poem sequences as 'songs'. Singing was as necessary as breathing for him. These are the specific allusions to Blake in Yeats poem.

    Its claimed Wordsworth said "There was no doubt that this poor man was mad, but there is something in the madness of this man which interests me more than the sanity of Lord Byron and Walter Scott." Well, throughout his life Blake was called mad except for the times he was ignored. (Hard to ignore a contrarian, however!) Rather than mad, I believe he was being a poet and coping the only way he knew how in an indifferent and sometimes hostile, alien world. One can and should argue that since poetry is dangerous, it isn't healthy to be a poet 24/7. But Blake could be nothing less.

    Fortunately, when he was an old man, still poor, a group of young men who called themselves "the Ancients" chose to admire him. Perhaps Blake saw then that his art would live on but was it all -- strife, poverty, squalor, lack of respect -- worth it?

    Marvelle

    annafair
    June 11, 2002 - 05:25 am
    Here I have been away and come in and find your thoughtful and wonderful posts. You add so much to this poetry site. Both you and Jack have introduced me to "new" poets. Ones I never knew.

    Yes Yeats and Blake's wonderful words have been mine to know..What is so special about being here is FINALLY being able to discuss and examine some of my old readings. There was always a part of me when I read a poem that yearned to share my feelings and thoughts with others but you must know there are many who dont and wont read poetry. I wish I knew why for I feel they miss so much.

    Thanks to all who post here. anna

    abta
    June 11, 2002 - 03:52 pm
    TRUTH
    Truth is within ourselves;it takes no rise
    From outward things,whate'er you may believe:
    There is an inmost centre to us all,
    Where truth abides in fulness;and around
    Wall upon wall,the gross flesh hems it in.
    This perfect,clear perception....which is truth;
    A baffling and perverting carnal mesh
    Blinds it, and makes all error: and,"to know"
    Rather consists in opening out a way
    whence the imprisioned splendour may escape,
    Than in effecting entry for a light
    Supposed to be without. Watch narrowly
    The demonstration of a truth, its birth,
    And you trace back the effluence to its spring
    And sources within us;where broods radiance vast,
    To be elicited ray by ray, as chance
    Shall favour


    ........SIC

    xxxxx
    June 12, 2002 - 04:57 am
    Section I I have always assumed refers to Tir na-nOg, the Land of Youth, which the ancient Irish sagas and the later folklore placed off the west coat of Ireland. (It was sometimes confused with or assumed to be the same as the mysterious island Hy-Brasil, which many Irish tales and travellers anecdotes also placed off the Irish coast.)Tir na-nOg was a land of magical abundance where time stopped for those who stopped there, and those who stayed usually forgot their ties to the real world. No one grew old there, but nothing was done except the pursuit of youthful pleasures. It was a motif in some of his early work....I can remember the lines of a song from one of his plays, "Come away, oh human child....."

    The first four lines of Section II for me immediately conjure up images from his brother Jack's paintings. These lines could describe any one of dozens of the subjects of his paintings, however, I've never read that his brother's work inspired any of his poems. (It is my impression in fact, perhaps an incorrect one, that there is a peculiar avoidance of his brother altogether in his life and work.)

    The final section calls up one of the wonderful mechanical gadgets that the Byzantine emperors had created to adorn their palaces - and used to awe visiting foreign dignitaries.

    What I would like to know is why Yeats selected Byzantium as the focus of this poem. Section III puzzles me because it seems to refer obliquely to the famous Byzantine mosaic work of the heavenly courts and arrays of saints, but there is nothing in Byzantine culture that I can link up to the alchemical imagery of transformation that is taking place in his Byzantium. I have, therefore, assumed that Yeats skimmed the picturesque surface of the culture, but had in mind no deep connexion with it - setting up the borrowed elements as a mystical land in order to contrast it with Tir na-nOg.

    Anyone know?

    Jack

    Marvelle
    June 12, 2002 - 05:39 am
    There are specific literary allusions to place, meaning that certain lines, word or words echo another literary work. You could consider Keats and his reference in the poem which has less to do with an actual physical place than an emotional one. There are other allusions. Hope this helps on your search. Have to go to work or I'd say more but I'll try to post this evening.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 12, 2002 - 06:44 pm
    Jack, I think Yeats in "Sailing to Byzantium" was referring to the historical Byzantium as a symbol of an imagined better place. Yeats was in his 60s when he traveled abroad for his health in 1924 and he saw the Byzantine mosaics in Italy, still bright and fresh after all the centuries. He was then unhappy with the post-free Ireland "THAT was no country for old men" and he eulogized the mythology of Byzantium.

    In AD 313 the Roman emperor Constantine saw a vision of a cross and converted to Christiantiy. In AD 324 he moved the capitol of Rome to the Eastern city of Byzantium. The city's name changed to Constantinople after the emperor and is currently known as Istanbul in Turkey. Byzantium became the center for the Christian Church and was known as the eternal city, as Rome is known today, because it is the center at which Christians reach the eternal/heavenly life.

    A later emperor, Justinian, beginning in AD 534 took back the control of North Africa, Italy, Sicily, Sardinia and parts of Spain. During his rule many public buildings were built including the Hagia Sofia. The Byzantium empire from that period on suffered setbacks, resurgences and more setbacks with the last resurgence in the 11th Century.

    Byzantium is historically known as the "monument to imagining intellect" and "artificial immortality". This holy city was famous for its dedication to intellectual life and the creation of exquisite art such as paintings, mosaic work, crafts in gold and silver.

    But the actual city was ancient history, in the past and not the present, when Yeats imagined his Byzantium just as Blake and Keats imagined their worlds. I believe the "alchemical imagery of transformation that is taking place in (Yeats) Byzantium" is that of poetic imagination and the life within oneself through poetry. With each stanza Yeats gets deeper and deeper into the world of art (imagination vs the physical) and ardently wishes for immportality through his poem/song. So the alchemy is poetry?

    Jack, you write so beautifully. I wish I could be as expressive!

    Marvelle

    annafair
    June 12, 2002 - 07:54 pm
    and opened up a wonderful discussion. I cant stay here as I am involved in some activities here in my home ...but did want to peek in and see what was going on...lots and I thank you all

    By the way Marvelle I wrote a long email to you that was returned. Any idea?

    Will be back tomorrow for a greater length of time ...smiles and appreciation all around..anna

    xxxxx
    June 13, 2002 - 07:33 am
    Marvelle, thank you for the compliment. I'm inclined to think as you do, that Yeats is taking what he needs for his purposes - to make a contrasting place to the opening situation.

    I live in the what might be called the cultural ruins of Byzantium, though here in Cyprus - probably because of being so threatened by Turkey - the ruins are inhabited, so to speak. The art and religion of Byzantium are alive and well, and especially in the mountains the churches and monasteries can be spectacular in their power, albeit small in physical size. They are among the greatest surviving works of Byzantium. In the occupied north the ancient churches have been looted and the remaining art defaced, while what is missing turns up in the art black markets of the world.

    Hanging prominently above our heads in the post offices is a signed photograph of the first president of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios. He holds a scepter instead of a crozier, and his signature is in bright red ink. Both the scepter and the hallmark red ink signature were perogatives of the Byzantine emperor - and one of these rulers in return for some religious favor extended their use to the Archbishop of Cyprus almost a millenium ago.

    Today (literally) we have two worries, the present Archbishop is failing and being manipulated by family members and courtiers, and the Great Synod has taken administrative control of the Holy Church from his failing hands; the Turks have brought in more troops and have taken up offensive positions in the north in the last two days. All National Guard leaves have been cancelled.

    While Yeats may have had transformations in mind, the Byzantium here is almost static, still facing the same crises it did repeatedly for hundreds of years. Time in a bottle.

    Jack

    Marvelle
    June 13, 2002 - 11:05 am
    Yeats didn't get to Cyprus but northern Italy. Too bad he couldn't have seen the 'inhabited ruins'. Ancient Byzantium was an historic ideal to Yeats, an example of the time when artists were an important and integral part of community life, and that's why I see him as transforming the physical into poetic immortality through imagination. His uses that imagination to reach his ideal, stanza by stanza. In the first stanza, he uses monosyllables,speaks plainly, and the birds don't even sing. In his second stanza he says that the soul must "clap its hands and sing" and in the third he starts his voyage and yearns for "singing-masters" and in the fourth he is transformed into the singing bird on a golden bough. Yet that image is also static, isn't it? The mechanical bird is doomed to repeat the same song over and over again so there is a tension in Yeats poem, a trade-off for immortality.

    There is a community of poets represented in "Sailing to Byzantium" where poets over the ages use allusion to converse, laugh, cry, fight, and share with one another. Yeats' "Sailing" alludes to Keats' poem in the idea of immortality through art. They both talk of old age and the generations and they share, yearn, and argue. In his ode, Keats looks at a Grecian urn with its static but eternal image of nature and humans painted on it and he describes both the urn and his response to it:

    Ode On a Grecian Urn

    by John Keats (1795-1821)

    Thou still unravish'd bride of quietness,
    Thou foster-child of silence and slow time,
    Sylvan historian, who canst thus express
    A flowery tale more sweetly than our rhyme:
    What leaf-fring'd legend haunts about thy shape
    Of deities or mortals, or of both,
    In Tempe or the dales of Arcady?
    What men or gods are these? What maidens loth?
    What mad pursuit? What struggle to escape?
    What pipes and timbrels? What wild ecstasy?

    Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard
    Are sweeter; therefore, ye soft pipes, play on;
    Not to the sensual ear, but, more endear'd,
    Pipe to the spirit ditties of no tone:
    Fair youth, beneath the trees, thou canst not leave
    Thy song, nor ever can those trees be bare;

    Bold Lover, never, never canst thou kiss,
    Though winning near the goal yet, do not grieve;
    She cannot fade, though thou hast not thy bliss,
    For ever wilt thou love, and she be fair!

    Ah, happy, happy boughs! that cannot shed
    Your leaves, nor ever bid the Spring adieu;
    And, happy melodist, unwearied,
    For ever piping songs for ever new;
    More happy love! more happy, happy love!
    For ever warm and still to be enjoy'd,
    For ever panting, and for ever young;
    All breathing human passion far above,
    That leaves a heart high-sorrowful and cloy'd,
    A burning forehead, and a parching tongue.

    Who are these coming to the sacrifice?
    To what green altar, O mysterious priest,
    Lead'st thou that heifer lowing at the skies,
    And all her silken flanks with garlands drest?
    What little town by river or sea shore,
    Or mountain-built with peaceful citadel,
    Is emptied of this folk, this pious morn?
    And, little town, thy streets for evermore
    Will silent be; and not a soul to tell
    Why thou art desolate, can e'er return.

    O Attic shape! Fair attitude! with brede
    Of marble men and maidens overwrought,
    With forest branches and the trodden weed;
    Thou, silent form, dost tease us out of thought
    As doth eternity: Cold Pastoral!
    When old age shall this generation waste,
    Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
    Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty, -- that is all
    Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."

    I placed in bold parts of the Keats poem echoed by Yeats. I feel Yeats is more effective in his poem, partly because the high language of Keats grates on my ear but also because Yeats is more personally invested with his poem and that draws me in as well.

    Jack, sounds like Cyprus is undergoing real trials. I feel so helpless in this and can only wish you well.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 13, 2002 - 02:37 pm
    Yeats alluded to Keats in "Sailing to Byzantium" not only through similar themes and words in their poems but also by calling up the spirit of Blake and the poetic desire for immortaility. When I read "Sailing" I not only recall "Ode On a Grecian Urn" but also the personal allusion to Keats the poet, to the word drowsy and to the Nightingale and emperor in both "Sailing" and the following poem.

    John Keats (1795-1821) was the archetypal romantic poet who wrote about art and love. He traveled abroad for his health the last few years of his life -- he was consumptive -- and died in Italy at age 25. The following poem follows along the lines of "Ode On a Grecian Urn" in that the theme is immortality but now there is a personal investment and Keats exchanges intellect for feeling. Keats is dying and wants -- achingly, the emotional volume turned up -- to live. There is a tension in this poem as there is in Yeats "Sailing to Byzantium". Keats knows that his physical body cannot go on, through the force of his imagination he sends his song/spirit in the symbolic form of a Nightingale out over the countryside; he cannot hold the spirit Nightingale which separates from his physical presence and escapes.

    Ode to A Nightingale

    by John Keats

    My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
    My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
    Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
    One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:
    'Tis not through envy of thy happy lot,
    But being too happy in thine happiness,--
    That thou, light-winged Dryad of the trees
    In some melodious plot
    Of beechen green, and shadows numberless,
    Singest of summer in full-throated ease.

    O, for a draught of vintage! that hath been
    Cool'd a long age in the deep-delved earth,
    Tasting of Flora and the country green,
    Dance, and Provencal song, and sunburnt mirth!
    O for a beaker full of the warm South,
    Full of the true, the blushful Hippocrene,
    With beaded bubbles winking at the brim,
    And purple-stained mouth;
    That I might drink, and leave the world unseen,
    And with thee fade away into the forest dim:

    Fade far away, dissolve, and quite forget
    What thou among the leaves hast never known,
    The weariness, the fever, and the fret
    Here, where men sit and hear each other groan;
    Where palsy shakes a few, sad, last gray hairs,
    Where youth grows pale, and spectre-thin, and dies;
    Where but to think is to be full of sorrow
    And leaden-eyed despairs,
    Where Beauty cannot keep her lustrous eyes,
    Or new Love pine at them beyond to-morrow.

    Away! away! for I will fly to thee,
    Not charioted by Bacchus and his pards,
    But on the viewless wings of Poesy,
    Though the dull brain perplexes and retards:
    Already with thee! tender is the night,
    And haply the Queen-Moon is on her throne,
    Cluster'd around by all her starry Fays;
    But here there is no light,
    Save what from heaven is with the breezes blown
    Through verdurous glooms and winding mossy ways.

    I cannot see what flowers are at my feet,
    Nor what soft incense hangs upon the boughs,
    But, in embalmed darkness, guess each sweet
    Wherewith the seasonable month endows
    The grass, the thicket, and the fruit-tree wild;
    White hawthorn, and the pastoral eglantine;
    Fast fading violets cover'd up in leaves;
    And mid-May's eldest child,
    The coming musk-rose, full of dewy wine,
    The murmurous haunt of flies on summer eves.

    Darkling I listen; and, for many a time
    I have been half in love with easeful Death,
    Call'd him soft names in many a mused rhyme,
    To take into the air my quiet breath;
    Now more than ever seems it rich to die,
    To cease upon the midnight with no pain,
    While thou art pouring forth thy soul abroad
    In such an ecstasy!
    Still wouldst thou sing, and I have ears in vain--
    To thy high requiem become a sod.

    Thou wast not born for death, immortal Bird!
    No hungry generations tread thee down;
    The voice I hear this passing night was heard
    In ancient days be emperor and clown:
    Perhaps the self-same song that found a path
    Through the sad heart of Ruth, when, sick for home,
    She stood in tears amid the alien corn;
    The same that oft-times hath
    Charm'd magic casements, opening on the foam
    Of perilous seas, in faery lands forlorn.

    Forlorn! the very word is like a bell
    To toll me back from thee to my sole self!
    Adieu! the fancy cannot cheat so well
    As she is fam'd to do, deceiving elf.
    Adieu! adieu! thy plaintive anthem fades
    Past the near meadows, over the still stream
    Up the hill-side; and now 'tis buried deep,
    In the next valley-glades:
    Was it a vision, or a waking dream?
    Fled is that music:--Do I wake or sleep?

    Marvelle

    3kings
    June 14, 2002 - 03:25 am
    They shut the road through the woods
    Seventy years ago
    Weather and rain have undone it again,
    And now you would never know
    There was once a road through the woods
    Before they planted the trees.
    It is underneath the coppice and heath
    And the thin anemones.
    Only the keeper sees
    That, where the ring-dove broods,
    And the badgers roll at ease,
    There was once a road through the woods.

    Yet, if you enter the woods
    of a summer evening late,
    When the night air cools on the trout-ringed pools
    Where the Otter whistles his mate,
    (They fear not men in the woods,
    Because they see so few.)
    You will hear the beat of a horse's feet,
    And the swish of a skirt in the dew,
    Steadily cantering through
    The misty solitudes,
    As though they perfectly knew
    The old lost road through the woods. . .
    But there is no road through the woods.

    RUDYARD KIPLING.

    Marvelle
    June 15, 2002 - 03:46 pm
    I printed a copy of the Kipling poem and posted it above my word processor next to Dante and Yeats. There is a sense of fluid time -- the road and the life that flowed with it occupy past, present, and future. Thanks for posting it.

    I have two final allusions to Yeats "Sailing to Byzantium." One reference is closely linked to the Blake allusion in Yeats memorable imagery:

    An aged man is but a paltry thing,
    A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
    Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
    For every tatter in its mortal dress.

    The Blake allusion is "unless soul clap its hands and sing" and the other allusion is the repeated word "tatter". Whenever a good poet repeats a distinctive word he is saying "Pay attention! This is important!" Tatter is not a fancy word but it is distinctive. I finally recognized the allusion to "The Satyricon" by Petronius Arbiter, noblemen and official who wittily criticized Nero who then ordered him to die through drinking poison -- approximately AD 65 or 66. "The Satyricon" -- part prose and part poetry -- tells of the dissolute adventures of Encolpius and two companions and is a satire of Roman society, fashionable but empty tastes, and pedantry. It also has a horrifyingly funny portrait of a poet,Eumolpus, the lterary father to William Blake, John Keats, W.B. Yeats and all poets. And so we have the tragedy(?) of Blake countered by the comic(?) Eumolpus.

    I have the 1922 translation by W. C. Firebaugh, published by Horace Liveright Inc. The narrator Encolpius writes about his first meeting with Eumolpus, the old, care-worn poet, in a public art gallery:

    "...he bestowed so little care upon his dress, that it was easily apparent that he belonged to that class of literati which the wealthy hold in contempt. 'I am a poet,' he remarked..."and one of no mean ability, I hope, that is, if anything is to be inferred from the crowns which gratitude can place even upon the heads of the unworthy! Then why, you demand, are you dressed so shabbily? For that very reason, love or art never yet made any one rich.

    'The trader trusts his fortune to the sea and takes his gains,
    The warrior, for his deeds, is girt with gold;
    The wily sycophant lies drunk on purple counterpanes,
    Young wives must pay debauches or they're cold.
    But solitary, shivering, in tatters Genius stands
    Invoking a neglected art, for succor at its hands.'"

    Eumolpus goes on to bemoan a society that values only the rare, and money over the arts. But he goes too far when he tries to explicate a painting to his new friend in lengthy verse. Encolpius reports

    "Some of the public, who were loafing in the portico, threw stones at the reciting Eumolpus and he, taking note of this tribute to his genius, covered his head and bolted out of the temple. Fearing they might take me for a poet, too, I followed him . . . . 'Tell me,' I demanded, 'what are you going to do about that disease of yours? You've loafed with me less than two hours, and you've talked more often like a poet than you have like a human being! For this reason, I'm not at all surprised that the rabble chases you with rocks. I'm going to load my pockets with stones, too, and whenever you begin to go out of your head, I'm going to let blood out of it!'... 'My dear young man,' said (the poet), 'to-day is not the first time I have had such compliment showered upon me, the audience always applauds me in this fashion, when I go into the theater to recite anything...'"

    After promising to leave poetry behind, he is invited to dinner at Encolpius' lodging. However, at dinner the poet begins to moralize and lapses into verse. Eucolpius, the host, rages:

    "'Is this the way in which you keep your promise not to recite a single verse to-day?' I demanded, 'bear in mind your promise and spare us, at least, for we have thrown no rocks at you yet. If a single one of those fellows drinking under this very roof were to smell out a poet in their midst, he would arouse the whole neighborhood and involve all of us in the same misuderstanding!'"

    Yeats has presented us with two views of the poet, alike and dissimilar at the same time. Blake the tragic(?) and Eumolpus the comic(?) yet more likely a poet is both. Neither can stop being a poet despite the troubles it causes them.

    The last allusion I've noticed in "Sailing to Byzantium" is a fairytale by Hans Christian Andersen. He was a poet, novelist, and dramatist but is best remembered for his fairytales. He read Keats and in the 1830s and 40s even had apartments in the square across from Keats last quarters in Italy. Andersen fell in love with the singer Jenny Lind, known as the Swedish Nightingale. He wanted to marry her but was thwarted. Keats and Lind are two of the influences (I'm sure there are more) to Andersen's fairytale The Nightingale . This fairytale is subtly echoed in Yeats poem.

    I had an uneasy reaction -- lifted up but ueasy -- when first reading "Sailing to Byzantium" and the allusions emphasized that reaction. The poem is ambiguous and there is a conflict or tension about being a poet. Yeats poem raises questions in my mind, "is it worth it," is the imitation as good as the living, free Nightingale or is it better since it can be controlled? Yeats doesn't give any answers to what is truly unanswerable.

    Does anyone have other allusions they've noted in "Sailing to Byzantium"? I'm hoping Jack does -- especially to Byzantium that shows us how Yeats first became interested in this as the eternal, ideal city of the arts. The community of poets did span the ages in Yeats poem: Petronius Arbiter (work dated about AD 65-66); William Blake (1757-1827); John Keats (1795-1821) and Yeats himself who convened this gathering of old friends.

    Marvelle

    Postscript: I ended up deleting one post and then rewriting a new post. Sorry for the confusion.

    Marvelle
    June 15, 2002 - 04:31 pm
    Did I mess up the quote marks! Too late to change previous post. I believe its easy to see in the above post when "The Satyricon" is being quoted but I'll list here:

    all of paragraphs 6 and 7, quote begins with "he bestowed so little care" and ends with the poem "invoking a neglected art, for succor at its hands."

    all of paragraph 9, begins quote "some of the public, who were loitering in the portico" and ends quote "when I go into the theatre to recite anything"

    all of paragraph 11, quote begins "Is this the way in which you keep your promise" and ends with "and involve all of us in the same misunderstanding."

    Now I'll have to check the posting directions to see what I did wrong originally.

    Marvelle

    viogert
    June 15, 2002 - 10:50 pm
    There's a new book just published by the poet Ruth Padel called "52 Ways of Looking At a Poem: or how modern poetry can change your life. She had a weekly column in The Independent on Sunday where she chose a poem then analysed & discussed it. This is a good one on betrayal.

    The World's Entire Wasp Population

    This feeling I can't get rid of.
    this feeling that someone's been reading
    my secret diary
    that I kept in our bedroom
    because I thought nobody else but us
    would want to go in there,
    except it's not my diary,
    it's my husband,
    I'd like you to smear this feeling
    all over and into her naked body like jam
    and invite the world's entire wasp population,
    the sick. the halt, the fuzzy,
    to enjoy her


    Selima Hill (1997)

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 16, 2002 - 09:08 pm
    Marvelle I have only been breezing through the posts you are so thoughtfully sharing on Yeats Sailing to Byzantium - my family is visiting. We just came back from a week on Padre where all my children and the grands gather each year and so this is the first chance I have had to respond.

    We each bring to a poem our bits and pieces of knowing and experience. Interesting the line you quote
    Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
    reminded me of something I learned that when teaching and learning takes place, the teacher claps or makes a loud sound to waken the learning curve in a student.

    Knowing that Yeats was involved in the National Gaelic revival I see layers of meaning here. As I understand it, this poem was written late in his life after 1916 and after part of Ireland received its independence.

    In Celtic wisdom the salmon symbolizes wisdom as well as, foreknowledge by the gods. Birds in trees are not only messengers of the gods, in addition birds in trees symbolize the union of air and fire.

    Holy fire is religious fervor, martyrdom, divine revelation. Gold-works is the attaining of the center, the goal, whole, sun, heart, perfection, congealed light. The golden bough is the link between this world and the next, the passport of the heavenly world, the magic wand that enabled Aeneas to pass through the underworld and survive. The Celts saw the golden bough as the "renewal of youth."

    The mackerel is a salt water fish and the seas are symbolic of endless motion, the source of all life, containing all potential, the sum of all possibilities and state of chaos. The mackerel in the sea could symbolize the Irish people with all their potential??

    And to a Catholic, associated with a pope in Rome, Byzantium is the location of the eleventh century schism which split Rome from the Eastern Orthodox Catholics. Alluding to the splitting of Ireland when the Irish Free State was established. In addition Byzantium has a dream like allusion to a glorious past civilization - a twilight of the gods type of place filled with mosaics of enduring design in enameled stone.

    Gyre, a widening spiral, kind of like a spring which goes to the Irish philosophy that 'Things fall apart'. There is a turn-about on the Perne Road in Cambridge - could the expression be saying both Ireland and England are caught in a cycle or spiral of violence that has been going on since the eighteenth century?

    And so on one level this could be a political statement - in the first stanza; old men or old thinking that is challenged by the youth up-in-arms in the prayer of Easter 1916 when wisdom fell as it did so often when the many Irish rebel. They are caught in the music of neglect. Neglect as the monument of the English intellect. That on both sides what ever ye sow ye shall reap.

    This age old thinking in a tattered coat - coat, symbol of dignity and position but also disguise, secretive, darkness hiding mans true nature. St. Raymond uses a coat as a sail. The soul clap - the 1916 rebellion sing their age old song of freedom with no school to study, a basic call that requires no formal teaching, only a deep magnificence that calls for the unity of spirit, the unity of Ireland.

    The martyrs of the Easter Rebellion are memorialized as a mosaic, more lasting than a painting, as strong, reliable, immortal, as the enameled stone used in a mosaic. Enamel is a glass which is made from sand - together enamel on stone could suggest a timeless eternity as the sands of time. The Irish are sick with desire wanting a united free Ireland not really knowing what it is like since so much time has passed since they were a free people with their own identity. Even knowing their true identity is an issue but they are fastened to the concept as a dying animal beats its last.

    And not taking solace in the wisdom of the gods or the word of men but rather from hammering out justice, avenging themselves as a renewed whole singing out so that the Empire, England, will hear of their renewal where all Irishmen will be lords and ladies of this glorious dream like place.

    On another level I see this poem as a call for a personal spiritual rebirth - suggesting that we all wear masks appearing as old men, or even questioning as we age, not truely understanding ourselves. Yeats saying that as an old man we can stay tattered or clap our soul into learning. Although this life is not all that serene as is a universal Byzantium there is an after life where we are immortal lords and ladies. Yeats seems to me to be saying as St. Agustine says, we are all drawn to God (I used to know the quote ah so) and that no ecstasy comes without pain. That our most painful experiences in life are the opportunities toward soul growth.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 17, 2002 - 09:07 am
    ouch viogert - is it betrayal or revenge the poem is speaking about?? Please share some of the discussion with us --

    viogert
    June 17, 2002 - 10:02 am
    Barbara St Aubrey. . . it's both Barbara. Ruth Padel says "Her poems are mostly free-form rather than patterned into stanzas. There's lots of iambic pentameter running through the lines, yet the words fall free in apparently spontaneous speech like honey from a spoon. This poem is a single sentence about the helpless, furious horror of knowing your husband's girlfriend knows your intimate secrets, growing from repetition like a prayer or curse to end in the sweetness of imagined revenge".

    There is an amazing renaissance in poetry at present. I hoped maybe, as most of us took all the well-known & well-analysed poets at school 50 years ago, we needn't go over them all again? I had hoped to be introduced to new poets. There must be thousands of them I know nothing about.

    Marvelle
    June 17, 2002 - 07:59 pm
    viogert, At this discussion site we are encouraged to share poems that are imporant to us individually. One person's interest may not excite another but that is to be expected. I enjoy some the older poets and -- as you can see from my search for allusions in Yeats and Barbara's exploration of the symbolism -- after all these years, even the well-known poems still hold room for varying interpretations. Just skip over the posts that don't interest you and share those poems that you do like as you have done with the revenge poem. Keep sharing.

    One problem I had to contend with when I first started posting here is that of copyright. The more recent poems are copyrighted so you have to get permission from the poet/publisher before you can post the poem. It takes time to get permission but it is important that a writer's creation is protected.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 17, 2002 - 08:58 pm
    This is in response to Anna's post about poetry and how it is needed to express feelings when words aren't enough; and the difference between thoughts and feelings. Anna's remarks reminded me of this poem:

    What He Thought
    --------for Fabbio Doplicher

    by Heather McHugh

    We were supposed to do a job in Italy
    and, full of our feeling for
    ourselves (our sense of being
    Poets from America) we went
    from Rome to Fano, met
    the mayor, mulled
    a couple matters over (what's
    cheap date, they asked us; what's
    flat drink). Among Italian literati

    we could recognize our counterparts:
    the academic, the apologist,
    the arrogant, the amorous,
    the brazen and the glib -- and there was one

    administrator (the conservative), in suit
    of regulation gray, who like a good tour guide
    with measured pace and uninflected tone narrated
    sights and histories the hired van hauled us past.
    Of all, he was most politic and least poetic,
    so it seemed. Our last few days in Rome
    (when all but three of the New World Bards had flown)
    I found a book of poems this
    unprepossessing one had written: it was there
    in the pensione room (a room he'd recommended)
    where it must have been abandoned by
    the German visitor (was there a bus of them?)
    to whom he had inscribed and dated it a month before.
    I couldn't read Italian, either, so I put the book
    back into the wardrobe's dark. We last Americans

    were due to leave tomorrow. For our parting evening then
    our host chose something in a family restaurant, and there
    we sat and chatted, sat and chewed,
    till, sensible it was our last
    big chance to be poetic, make
    our mark, one of us asked
    "What's poetry?
    Is it the fruits and vegetables and
    marketplace of Campo dei Fiori, or
    the statue there?" Because I was
    the glib one, I identified the answer
    instantly, I didn't have to think -- "The truth
    is both, it's both," I blurted out. But that
    was easy. That was easier to say. What followed
    taught me something about difficulty,
    for our underestimated host spoke out,
    all of a sudden, with a rising passion, and he said:

    The statue represents Giordano Bruno,
    brought to be burned in the public square
    because of his offense against
    authority, which is to say
    the Church. His crime was his belief
    the universe does not revolve around
    the human being: God is no
    fixed point or central government, but rather is
    poured in waves through all things. All things
    move. "If God is not the soul itself, He is
    the soul of the soul of the world." Such was
    his heresy. The day they brought him
    forth to die, they feared he might
    incite the crowd (the man was famous
    for his eloquence). And so his captors
    placed upon his face
    an iron mask, in which

    he could not speak. That's
    how they burned him. That is how
    he died: without a word, in front
    of everyone.
    And poetry--
    (we'd all
    put down our forks by now, to listen to
    the man in gray; he went on
    softly)--
    poetry is what

    he thought, but did not say.
    .

    Copyright Gibbs Smith, Publisher. Used with permission.

    Marvelle

    viogert
    June 18, 2002 - 12:43 am
    Marvelle . Rights & Permissions are needed when reproduction is for commercial purposes. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act is still thrashing out how to demand payment for copyrighted works used on the web.

    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html

    Under Section 107 you'll find "Limitations on Exclusive Rights - Fair Use" - listed are cases which don't constitute an infringement. I suspect if we contacted publishers asking to reproduce poems in a poetry discussion group for the elderly, they'd be surprised we asked. It is always courteous to name the publisher, the name of the book of poems & dates of the poet.

    Malryn (Mal)
    June 18, 2002 - 07:19 am
    If you're worried about copyright laws, link to the web page the contemporary poet's work is on, or post the URL here. Posting a URL in SeniorNet automatically turns it into a link. The link below takes you to Elisha Porat's poem, Fall, 1999.

    Elisha Porat, the 1996 winner of Israel's Prime Minister's Prize for Literature, has published 17 volumes of fiction and poetry in Hebrew. His works have appeared in translation in Israel, the United States, Canada and England. The English translation of his short story collection "The Messiah of LaGuardia", was released in 1997. His latest work, a book of Hebrew poetry, "The Dinosaurs of the Language" was recently published in Israel. Mr. Porat lives and writes at Ein Hahoresh in Israel and graciously allows me to publish his poetry in Sonata and the m.e.stubbs poetry journal. You'll find his poetry on many, many sites on the web.

    Fall, 1999 by Elisha Porat

    Marvelle
    June 18, 2002 - 10:23 am
    Thanks Malryn. If the poet is on a web page that will save a whole bunch of trouble. What a beautiful poem and love the graphics and music! It's another poem I'll tape next to my word processor.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 18, 2002 - 01:54 pm
    I thought of Dante when Barbara mentioned her wandering Muse. When I need inspiration it comes to me from the great writers. In the Divine Comedy, Dante keeps fainting and sleeping and it wasn't until I read the "Purgatorio" section in Canto XVII that I saw this was his poetic process -- how he got there from the physical world. Hope this helps with the Muse:

    O imagination, who sometimes steal us
    so from things outside us that we do not notice
    if a thousand trumpets sound,

    who moves you if the senses give you nothing?
    A light moves you, in the heavens forming
    by itself, or by some will that guides it downward.

    My favorite little section of Canto XVIII is the closing:

    a new thought took up its place in me
    from which others, many and diverse, were born
    and I wandered so from one to another of them
    that my eyes hazed over and closed

    and thought transformed into dream.

    These are my translations and are rather rough. I found a nice site on Dante which provides short quotes and art. There is an interesting -- okay, a little macabre -- section at this same link "Dante's Burial" about his lost and found bones.

    Barbara, are you writing again? Any poems to share?

    Marvelle

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 18, 2002 - 05:02 pm
    I am working on one - and working is the word - I think I have gotten to a new place where I am wanting to construct something - I want to use the Sonata concept - not the Sonata as interpreted in poetry but in music - where two or more themes are in the same piece with a bridge that incorporates a bit of one theme. One theme may even have two parts - there is an introduction of the theme parts, a development, then a recapitulation followed by a wrap up or Coda.

    This image I have is, the best I can describe, worrying me. Its on the back of my thoughts all day, during every conversation, while listening to clients, my visiting family - I'm half there - its like I don't want to loose this fleeting image I am working on.

    There is not only a comparison of a life to an in-animate other life (nature where the living is so subtle as to be non discernible) and both in contrast to steel and chrome and un-natural sounds, where by there is a bridge connecting the two. I am also wanting to be more aware of the music of the stanzas and word combinations - I don't like using these what I call $2 twenty-first century words like for example, exploration or synthesis - but prefer to express the exploration or synthesis with a phrase that tells that is going on - but it has to be a phrase that either conjures up a common image or words that strung together are like a line of motion or at best and the hardest for me, words that bring a smile to someone’s face.

    Of course the additional hardest thing is to include anything about nature and not sound hackneyed with so many allusions having been used over the centuries.

    In the recent past I wrote because a line come to me out of the blue and I built on that - this time I'm working off an image that stirred me and I want so to describe with deeper - parallel - contrasting connections.

    I had such a wonderful time at the coast with special time jumping either over or through the larger than normal waves according to which grandboy was with me. One night I sat out on the stormwall-causeway for several hours as various family members joined me then drifted to their walks on the beach or up to bed. I watched the birds skimming the close-in waves, the stars, the lights from the oil riggs far-out in the gulf with the wind and waves so loud to drown out most sound.

    The surf was so strong this time it was an adventure. The boys not only shared the adventure with me but it seemed to open their ability toward conversation as they shared their dreams and wishes and even a few of their fears while in awe before each large wave. (I heard about wishes for a certain car that has this grand moters but is not 'too showey' and another asking if I ever smoked and if their parents ever smoked, another who thought he 'should be afraid' to be stung by a jelly fish - I told him he can be afraid or just enjoy and know that if he is stung it will only hurt awhile and there was meat tenderizer to quicken the cure - that if he stays safe he will miss too much life - questions about dead great grandfathers and their height or build that could explain their own short stature and another who must have recently had a family conversation over what would happen if both parents died and this grand would prefer to come to me rather than the couple who the parents have arranged on paper for him to go with (oh dear poignant but loaded so I won't say a thing) All in all it was a time that still has me - I guess it was like the Gloria of a Mass - the Gloria of my life. Joy is just too tame to express what I feel since there was awe and poignancy. I need new words, a new line of words to share.

    Marvelle
    June 18, 2002 - 10:19 pm
    Barbara, it sounds like you are at the stage of many thoughts, just before "thought transforms into dream". I realize you can only briefly talk out ideas and feelings because you first need to let them flow through your body like life's blood before they flow into poetry. Soon. The sonata poem is exciting and original and I hope you use the imagery of the coast visit with the ocean and oil rigs and the grands. Your post is already a poem.

    Marvelle

    viogert
    June 20, 2002 - 01:46 am
    Warming Her Pearls


    for Judith Radstone


    Next to my own skin, her pearls. My mistress
    bids me wear them, warm them, until evening
    when I'll brush her hair. At six, I place them
    round her cool, white throat. All day I think of her,


    resting in the Yellow Room, contemplating silk
    or taffeta, which gown tonight? She fans herself
    whilst I work willingly, my slow heat entering
    each pearl. Slack on my neck, her rope.


    She's beautiful. I dream about her<br< in my attic bed, picture her dancing
    with tall men, puzzled by my faint, persistent scent
    beneath her French perfume, her milky stones.


    I dust her shoulders with a rabbit's foot
    watch the soft blush seep through her skin
    like an indolent sigh. In her looking-glass
    my red lips part as though I want to speak.


    Full moon. Her carriage brings her home. I see
    her every movement in my head...Undressing,
    taking off her jewels, her slim hand reaching
    for the case, slipping naked into bed, the way


    she always does...And I lie here awake,
    knowing the pearls are cooling even now
    in the room where my mistress sleeps. All night
    I feel their absence and I burn.


    Carol Ann Duffy (1955 - )
    From "Selling Manhattan" (Anvil Press Poetry 1989)

    xxxxx
    June 22, 2002 - 06:58 am
    Viogert, I really enjoyed this poem.

    It reminded me of a Japanese novel, "The Key", by the famous author Junichiro Tanizaki. The premise is that a husband and a wife keep very explicit diaries. He is much older than his wife, by the way. Each complains that the other is reading his/her diary, but each insists - of course - they would not do such a thing. They are both it would seem liars, and their diary entries are intended as a kind of literary aphrodisiace, containing as they do not only protestations of innocence, but comments clearly intended to rile jealously.

    Jack

    xxxxx
    June 23, 2002 - 01:52 am
    I think "Warming Her Pearls" is a knockout poem. I'm going looking for more of Carol Ann Duffy's work.

    Thanks for a great read.

    Jack

    xxxxx
    June 23, 2002 - 02:17 am
    If I were a cinnamon peeler
    I would ride your bed
    and leave the yellow bark dust
    on your pillow.



    Your breasts and shoulders would reek
    you could never walk through markets
    without the profession of my fingers
    floating over you. The blind would
    stumble certain of whom they approached
    though you might bathe
    under rain gutters, monsoon.



    Here on the upper thigh
    at this smooth pasture
    neighbor to your hair
    or the crease
    that cuts your back. This ankle.
    You will be known among strangers
    as the cinnamon peeler's wife.



    I could hardly glance at you
    before marriage
    never touch you
    -- your keen nosed mother, your rough brothers.
    I buried my hands
    in saffron, disguised them
    over smoking tar,
    helped the honey gatherers...



    When we swam once
    I touched you in water
    and our bodies remained free,
    you could hold me and be blind of smell.
    You climbed the bank and said



    this is how you touch other women
    the grasscutter's wife, the lime burner's daughter.
    And you searched your arms
    for the missing perfume.



    and knew

    what good is it
    to be the lime burner's daughter
    left with no trace
    as if not spoken to in an act of love
    as if wounded without the pleasure of scar.



    You touched
    your belly to my hands
    in the dry air and said
    I am the cinnamon
    peeler's wife. Smell me.

    Ondaatje is best know probably for being the author of "The English Patient."

    Jack

    annafair
    June 23, 2002 - 04:23 am
    The reading of your posts absolutely stuns me...there are so many and so thoughtful and rewarding. I should have made some notes but was just carried away with your sharing. Barbara I am waiting for your poem.I know you need to take your time but I also know it will be worth the wait.

    Trevor it was good to see you again. Doesnt it surprise everyone to see how far apart we are in distance and how close we are in spirit? When I read your writings I feel I am sitting in my sunroom and you are all there and I hear your voices and the cadence is a full symphony.

    My apologies are hard for me to share. I have mentioned my dog who is a cherished family member. How can she not be? who has been my ears and my companion now for six years. I wont go into detail but I know I have mentioned she is not well and in fact is dying. The vet agrees she doesnt seem to be in pain and still wags her tail at the arrival of my grandchildren and comes to have her ears rubbed and to be hugged. She doesnt understand what is happening and having lost my beloved to cancer I know how she feels. If she were in pain my path would be easier. While it would hurt to let her go I would do it for her. But I cannot do it to make it easier or more convenient for me.

    I find myself holding my breath. Watching her to see if she is breathing, trying to find something she will eat. She exists mostly on water and refuses to eat and when she does she cant retain it. Still she lays near my feet and watches me with a careful eye. She barks to announce a visitor at the door. When I am outdoors she lies on the grass and keeps me company. I sometimes I feel I am selfish to keep her here but I know if she were human I would not hurry her along but be glad I still had her here. My prayer is she will just take her journey in her sleep. So forgive me not coming here and my thanks to all for keeping the fire going. anna

    patwest
    June 23, 2002 - 07:14 am
    in Bookie Profiles

    Bookie Profiles ~ Photos too!"

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 23, 2002 - 09:42 am
    Anna what a poignant time this is for you, knowing your companion is soon coming to her end - when every tail wag is a celebration - and every breath is a lifetime.

    Jack the poem you shared - it is so lyrical and filled with such tactile and scent heavy images - after reading it I was so in awe and realized how deep we could risk in beauty. This stanza for me was especially wonderful
    this is how you touch other women
    the grasscutter's wife, the lime burner's daughter.
    And you searched your arms
    for the missing perfume.


    Well finally I worked one out - like most often after a few days I want to change this or that - but for now...

    Somehow I think I will tackle this again - I'm not getting the remembered instant - something is missing - like as if I need to bore a hole further, inside - hmmm maybe inside me.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 23, 2002 - 01:04 pm
    Feet firm frame slumped in a light
    aluminum plastic weave chair
    under the shade of a live oak
    snatching a breeze seizing his hair.

    His broad strong hands lay slack, a bed
    bay to the worn western hat slipped
    from his lax field burned face. Arms red
    furrows on white shirt and blue jeans.

    Before him stretched solemn in rows
    lush basking bounty, boxed restrain
    brimming beams, faith to budding boughs,
    May mist morn's, wind, weeds, bee-loud rains.

    Sottish soughs ply the dust-yowling
    rumble tough trucks and car wheels sweep
    sun seared rough past his roadside-keep
    flush in the ripe uprolled heat.

    Computer age gleaners bound home
    hid in the heart of their childhood -
    Stop Short! Dropping din and long
    waken to summer's mellow song.

    Piled nap peaches, stout cucumbers
    sun burnished purple plums, oozing
    incense from scruffy hide melons,
    tomatoes, yellow and green corn.

    Drows'd with the fumes of fruitfulness
    close friend of the inclosing sun
    swelling plump patient in the soft
    dying day, rose hued sweetness spun.

    Warm face soft-lifted from slumber
    a leasehold of earthly wisdom
    born and tended in sun and sod
    bares easy the scent of his toil.

    Drows'd with the fumes of fruitfulness
    close friend of the inclosing sun
    rested face patient in the soft
    dying day, rose hued sweetness spun.

    Like lizard's rustling - a moment -
    a breath - lifts from this least exchange
    mind-wrinkled frowns, illusion of
    country hailed family arranged.

    Trade travels threads in sun-dust pents
    till cluttered memory-dust sighs
    a prize reflection of sun-broiled
    toil at peace in breeze teased assent

    Where deep red juices overflow
    beneath the verdant live-oak branch
    earth and air vault, and gather
    all, richer and riper than fruit.

    Trading mirrors of daily treads.

    Marvelle
    June 23, 2002 - 02:22 pm
    I've been playing hooky from the internet just to be outside for pure pleasure. I was run over by a car 3 months ago, had an operation, and have been recuperating since. Four days ago my right hand 'came back to me,' meaning it felt like a part of my body again. Now I just need the arm to follow and the legs! I think my right hand's return to health is a good sign and I'm hopeful, finally, of recovering much more mobility. So, in short, I celebrated. Now there have been so many posts that I spent some time catching up to briefly comment -- well, I'll try to be brief.

    viogert, I was enchanted with the 'Pearls' poem. New poets sometimes forget that if they start with a dynamite image they should subtly include the image within the rest of the poem, particularly the end of the poem. The pearls imagery ran throughout the poem on different levels. I too would be interested in readying more of this fine poet.

    Jack, I was wowed by the cinnamon peeler's wife. (I've always felt he was a poet tentatively lurking under the skin of a novelist.)

    Barbara, what wonderful imagery; and I could breath in the scent of melons, peaches, plums. Can you explain how you came to decide on repeating a stanza: first the indented stanza "piled nap peaches" then another stanza further indented

    Drowsed with the fumes of fruitfulness
    close friend of the inclosing sun
    swelling plump patient in the soft
    dying day, rose hued sweetness spun.

    Then another stanza then the "drowsed" stanza repeated and indented.

    I'm in love with the imagery and trying to catch the rhythm of the poem. There is a nice swing between the man and his "roadside-keep" and the "computer age gleaners". Also was caught up in the wonderful use of trade and treads in the end of the poem which hark back to the beginning where trade and tires are implied, is it in opposite comparison? Physical, old-time labor and mind, modern-age labor? Or is my first, rather impulsive impression wrong?

    Anna, pets are a reflection of our souls I think and they give themselves to us so wholeheartedly. It is hard, impossible, to let go. But I believe that we have past, present, and future lives and those we most love we have met and loved in the past and will do so again. Now is the time to love whoever is in that 'now.' William Faulkner wrote, "Yesterday won't be over until tomorrow, and tomorrow began ten thousand years ago."

    Marvelle

    Please forgive any typos or misquotes. I try to catch them all but when my hand gets tired I do make a lot of mistakes.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 23, 2002 - 04:12 pm
    Yes - the repeat but with a small change - in the first it says swelling plump patient and the second time it says rested face patient

    As the warm sun was gleaming off these fruit and vegtable skins it seemed like the glisten was the result of they being ripened before our eyes by the sun that day. Well this farmer was so tired and red from the sun after being in his orchard and fields a day earlier - when he awoke from his snooze his face was so open with nary a grotchy or tired look as if the world and everyone in it is expected regardless what it brings - I Realized then that he and his produce were almost one and the same. Growing fields and orchards have no groutchy humor and each day is greeted with whatever it brings - by repeating with only two word changes I was trying to show that identical similarity. Also those four stanzas was my attempt at Theme development - at first I introduced him, his produce and the sound of modern traffic out of which comes modern traders - then I tried to develop further the similarities of farmer and produce and then those two as one exchanging with modern shoppers or traders and finally all the juice of the produce, as well as the red blood of the people as the juice that in the outdoor market are united so that we trade not just the produce but the mirrors of ourselves.

    I realized not only do we shop at roadside stands because the freshness of the offerings brings back memories of eating buttered fresh corn on our childhood paint peeling back porches and picking a peach out of the tree on our way to cool off at the creek and the hours of pereserving that was so country kitchen but we are also trading with a person and the purchase includes the character of that person - so the opposite of shopping in our grocery market where most things are wrapped in plastic and the only person we make contact with is the cashier who is not at all sunburned from picking the foods we buy nor is the cashier talking to you about the weather, how hot it is, how we need rain, how quickly the city is growing, what type of new squash he is trying and best of all his welcoming open face that seems to invite anyone at the stand to chat with each other as if we were long lost cousins.

    That is when I realized that real trade in more than an exchange of money for goods but an exchange of a face, character, personality. We are because of what we do month in and month out - we are what we do and so our tread is maybe firm footed as this farmer/rancher or scattered and in a hurry when we distance ourselves from what is real into a mechanical world of vehicles and computers.

    A trade is exchanging the mirror of ourselves or the reflection or what we do that alters the way we look, walk, talk, dress, think.

    This again became evident when PBS ran a repeat of a young boy crossing the desert in Africa with his family/tribe to buy and sell salt. Those trading using the ancient transportation of camals had a very different look and way about them then the hoards that are now in the commerse of salt since they have large lorries that can quickly drive the 150 miles as well as, purchase large quanitities of salt pillows since they have a larger space to transport the salt.

    I think part of the reason we long for a roadside stands is more than for the fresh often less expensive produce. I think we are trading each other, which is the mirror of our tread and further, as much as we like this exchange we are all dependent on the web of roads - farmer as well - in order to trade.

    I realize we all get something different out of a poem based on our own experiences and I loved hearing your reaction - I also know I am not completly satisfied that I best discribed this sleeping man - especially his constancy and wonderful face in transition from warm slumber to a pleasant, not cheery, but pleasant, open, accepting of everyone and his circumstances. There will probably be further attempts since this image blew me away as the saying

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 23, 2002 - 05:06 pm
    Just have to talk don't I - but another connection that I want to explore - I purposely used the varient inclose rather than enclose for the sun - it is like the sun creates a cacoon that almost limits in once sense what we do - have you ever noticed that trade and delivery with people that make things from scratch or grow things usually takes place during the day - those rumbling trucks are delivering material to build homes and the roadside stand is usually a daytime activiety - except for fireworks and since winter days are short, Christmas trees, most nighttime shopping is the kind that is either wrapped in plastic or will be wrapped in plastic or is large 18 wheel delivery of what wiil be in plastic - it is the pleasures of what they used to call the pleasures of sin - hehehe - but night time trading not typically is it the type of trading that includes the grower or creater. Night trade is most often done with limited eye contact. Oh I am sure there are exceptions to this but my first impression is the sun closes us in just as travel is organized with stops, lights and even the road itself limits access as compared to crossing a pasture.

    We also like to limit even the bounty - the produce wasn't just piled there but was stored in various size boxes and baskets and sacks - I remember in the mountains of Mexico the produce is just piled and even stored in a room it is in a pile or in the yard next to the hut it is in a pile. As a piece of cloth or a quickly made basket made by the women from grasses is used to transport the produce from the trees and fields, it is then emptied into piles - even in the trucks - the apples etc. are simply piled in -

    Looks like we like organization even if it does herd or pen us.

    I see the sun as a tool for organization - maybe left over from a time when there was no electricity. In order to see what you were getting you had to trade in the sunlight. I am trying to think if we in the early history of this country were inclined toward piles - cotton was baled but I guess hay was piled - was produce piled in root cellers or was it stacked in sacks and boxes?

    Marvelle
    June 23, 2002 - 06:21 pm
    Thanks, Barb. I was too hasty to respond to your poem and didn't notice the slight difference in the repeat. But I knew there was a technique to the repetition and had a vague idea that it marked a transition so I was getting closer to the meaning. There are two worlds, those of day and sun and night and moon. It seems more natural to me in the daytime but I have a nocturnal friend. We not only keep different hours but what's important to us is also very different and what and how we do things are dissimilar.

    Years ago the produce shipped to big cities were less perishable and thus could be semi-packaged. Today there are still root cellars and they can be found in cities under stairwells or on balconies or unheated closets, as well as on farms. I guess it's a way to keep Summer alive and feeling that you are providing for yourself over the long winter. We must still have our age-old instinct to provide for the lean days.

    Your poem of bounty reminded me of Theodore Roethke's poem although his has a twist of perspective (as any poem will differ from another). Roethke was the son of professional greenhouse grower, and he had intimate knowledge of the life cycle of plants which he plumbed in his writings in varying ways.

    Root Cellar

    by Theodore Roethke

    Nothing would sleep in that cellar, dank as a ditch
    Bulbs broke out of boxes hunting for chinks in the dark,
    Shoots dangled and drooped,
    Lolling obscenely from mildewed crates,
    Hung down long yellow evil necks, like tropical snakes.
    And what a congress of stinks!--
    Roots ripe as old bait,
    Pulpy stems, rank, silo-rich,
    Leaf-mold, manure, lime, piled against slippery planks.
    Nothing would give up life:
    Even the dirt kept breathing a small breath.

    Roethke published in 1948 a book of poems dedicated to the growing of plants, "The Lost Son and other poems" which I have in Doubleday's issue of "Roethke: Collected Poems." Here is another, gentler poem from that book:

    Old Florist

    by Theodore Roethke

    That hump of a man bunching chrysanthemums
    Or pinching back asters, or planting azaleas,
    Tamping and stamping dirt into pots, --
    How he could flick and pick
    Rotten leaves or yellowy petals,
    Or scoop out a weed close to flourishing roots,
    Or make the dust buzz with a light spray,
    Or drown a bug in one spit of tobacco juice,
    Or fan life into wilted sweet-peas with his hat,
    Or stand all night watering roses, his feet blue in rubber boots.

    I am fond of many of Roethke's poems, especially "I Knew a Woman" which was a tongue-in-cheek (but actually serious) response to D.H. Lawrence's "I Wish I Knew a Woman." Roethke's 'woman' has a sense of rollicking, helpless possession and joy. Oh, there are so many other poems -- "My Papa's Waltz," "Once More, The Round," "Night Crow", and "The Dance."

    Marvelle

    xxxxx
    June 25, 2002 - 09:05 am
    I think of you and your dog. I must confess that at this point the only "person" from my past whose absence I am not reconciled to is a cat.

    Jack

    Marvelle
    June 25, 2002 - 08:13 pm
    Katie is at peace today. Anna may take a few days before she returns to lead us, as only she can, in the Poetry discussion. My heartfelt sympathy, Anna.

    Marvelle

    3kings
    June 26, 2002 - 12:51 pm
    ANNA, I offer my sympathy. In earlier years I too lost a much loved dog, who was not just a pet, but also a family member. I understand the pain of your loss, and hope that with time the hurt will soften-- Trevor

    Malryn (Mal)
    June 27, 2002 - 10:09 am
    Anna, I am thinking of you today in your loss.

    Mal

    Malryn (Mal)
    June 27, 2002 - 10:55 am
    A poem written by a friend the day my beloved Theresa Mary died.


    Theresa Mary




    Theresa Mary, blessed virgin
    cat of many years. Did you
    know your cat coat would
    never warm her again?



    Only dim fright for you
    in the car. She cooed, patted
    you, petting your unkempt fur
    that took so much to clean.



    And you forgot, lost in your
    dreams of mice and cat men,
    leaping like a young lioness.
    Oh, those days of being held.


    The cat doctor is quiet, gentle
    with your paw, and sleep comes.





    James E. Fowler
    All rights reserved
    © 2000

    Marvelle
    June 27, 2002 - 08:03 pm
    we ache for those we love who have gone somewhere else yet once something has been I believe it always is. Maybe it is inside us and we are inside it, and life mingles into one existence. Katie gave love and it was returned and that is a great gift.

    I've been thinking about time and life a lot lately as I imagine we all have. Christina Georgina Rossetti (1830-1894) wrote the beautiful poem Rest that begins

    "O EARTH, lie heavily upon her eyes;
    Seal her sweet eyes weary of watching, Earth;
    Lie close around her. . .
    "

    and her poem ends with the certainty that

    "Until the morning of Eternity
    Her rest shall not begin nor end, but be;
    And when she wakes she will not think it long.
    "

    Malryn that poem was a loving tribute to you and Theresa Mary. It is certain that she knew your love was always there for her and is still a constant. You gave each other a good life, like Anna and Katie.

    Marvelle

    Jan
    June 27, 2002 - 09:25 pm
    Hello everyone, I was here once before, but I haven't made it back for ages. I thought I'd slip back in with a little Australian Poem by Tom Inglis Moore.

    Song For Lovers

    Love needs no pondered words,
    No high philosophy;
    Enough the singing birds
    In the green tree.

    Come rainbow or the rose,
    Vision shall find new birth:
    With love more lovely grows
    Beauty on earth.

    Darkly death waits, yet we
    In a wild hour shall know
    Bright immortality,
    Before we go.

    I see he had been a lecturer in America and a professor in the Philippines and was a lecturer in Pacific Studies in Canberra.

    I will come back sooner this time. I love reading all the poems. Poetry is like breathing to me, I can't imagine being without either.VBG I am prejudiced towards Australian verse though, I make no apology for that, but I suppose it doesn't have much coverage out of Oz.We aren't all ballads and Drover's Laments!LOL

    Jan

    Marvelle
    June 28, 2002 - 12:08 am
    Hi Jan, thanks for introducing me to a new poet. I haven't read much Australian poetry and hope you can share more poems.

    Anna gave me permission to post the following poem she wrote:

    For Katie, A tribute to a dog's faithfulness

    Oh stalwart heart that beats for me
    Do you feel I need you still?
    In dog years you are older than me
    And my heart hurts for you.
    Faithfulness should earn rewards
    Is it time for me to let you go?
    You have been loved by many
    Your cheerfulness warmed the hearts
    Of all who would see you wag
    A welcome whenever they drew near.
    You laid your head upon my knee
    When loss was keen within my being.
    With love you comforted me through
    Hours dark and when in starless
    Nights empty steps were heard
    Within my heart, you lay
    Your head upon my bed and spoke
    With golden eyes, and showed a
    Love that asks little and demands nothing
    But someone near to care.
    My heart is heavy for I have the choice
    To let you gently go before even you will know
    Your time has come and
    Your heart will still
    Within your noble frame.
    Already my pain is too much to bear
    But I am being selfish when you show
    It is time for me to let you go
    To run and leap in another place,

    For surely God would bless
    Such loving faithfulness

    anna alexander 6/23/02 copyright

    Marvelle

    xxxxx
    June 29, 2002 - 04:42 am
    My sympathy, Anna. It's a heavy blow to lose our longtime friends whether they have two legs or four.

    Jack

    xxxxx
    June 29, 2002 - 09:16 am
    It is 12:20 in New York a Friday
    three days after Bastille day, yes
    it is 1959 and I go get a shoeshine
    because I will get off the 4:19 in Easthampton
    at 7:15 and then go straight to dinner
    and I don't know the people who will feed me



    I walk up the muggy street beginning to sun
    and have a hamburger and a malted and buy
    an ugly NEW WORLD WRITING to see what the poets
    in Ghana are doing these days

    I go on to the bank
    and Miss Stillwagon (first name Linda I once heard)
    doesn't even look up my balance for once in her life
    and in the GOLDEN GRIFFIN I get a little Verlaine
    for Patsy with drawings by Bonnard although I do
    think of Hesiod, trans. Richmond Lattimore or
    Brendan Behan's new play or Le Balcon or Les Nègres
    of Genet, but I don't, I stick with Verlaine
    after practically going to sleep with quandariness



    and for Mike I just stroll into the PARK LANE
    Liquor Store and ask for a bottle of Strega and
    then I go back where I came from to 6th Avenue
    and the tobacconist in the Ziegfeld Theatre and
    casually ask for a carton of Gauloises and a carton
    of Picayunes, and a NEW YORK POST with her face on it



    and I am sweating a lot by now and thinking of
    leaning on the john door in the 5 SPOT
    while she whispered a song along the keyboard
    to Mal Waldron and everyone and I stopped breathing

    xxxxx
    June 29, 2002 - 09:59 am
    His poem about Billie Holiday's death has remained one of my favorites since I first read it. I loved her singing, and still do. She died in the summer of 1959 under police guard in the hospital. I had left college - and my parent's home - that summer to live in New York City.

    I remember that day....the heat, the stickiness and then I heard an announcement on the radio while I was sitting in a tiny attic apartment in the Village hanging out the window trying to get a little cooler. And I thought how impossible it seemed that there would be no more Billie Holiday making music.

    I like the way O'Hara fills the poem with the busyness of a NYC Friday rush to the shore; then folds into that still, soft close that to me gives a greater sense of her presence than had he focused the entire poem on her.

    My question. I couldn't find this in the HTML guides in Seniornet - perhaps I missed it. And none of the HTML tags that I am familiar with worked. What's the tag for making an indent? Say...10,20 whatever spaces.........anyone know?

    Jack

    3kings
    June 29, 2002 - 12:36 pm
    KEVXU To get indents etc, the best way is to format your message in a word processor, with indents etc. then copy to clip board. Then go to the Snet folder and in the posting box enter 'pre' between < > . Then paste your message in the posting box, and after hitting the 'post' button, it will come out as you have composed it-- Trevor

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 29, 2002 - 02:52 pm
    The loss
    the loss of someone, of something
    the loss of a little thing, the expected ways
    that filled my life with comfort.

    A hole in my tummy
    no, my body feels like a gapping hole
    Nervous, or not, a heart sting plucked
    hurting, not really, a hole

    A gapping hole and
    I want it filled.

    I wonder from room to room
    maybe a long walk will do

    No tears, no words
    yet,
    my head is abuzz
    with un-moored smatterings

    I hurt
    tears don't fill...
    Maybe a drink, a pill, some food
    No, I've tried them all
    when an ache consumed.

    I can't settle down and I'm angry
    angry that I hurt with no words
    angry that it all took place
    anger that rumbles with no place to go
    anger that makes me feel numb.

    Just a chat
    just to hear myself say
    I can do this, I am really whole
    there is no shame, no quilt
    I really did my best.

    Some anger rumbles on and on -
    Does it really hide my grief
    Somehow the loss
    was it much too soon
    to ever see my strengths

    Am I tied to -- that someone,
    that thing, the expected ways
    that familar pulled me in
    and I never saw
    I am.

    I am the moon,
    the stars, the trees,
    the brook that babbles a song
    and every loss should only take
    the flakes that hide
    my strong enduring true form.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 29, 2002 - 03:17 pm
    Ok we all have our favorite ways of formatting a page - I will try to show what I do and hope I can do it with a signal to show the markings I use in addition to actually doing on the page what I signal it to do. First you must understand I am horrible at calling these techniques by their computer lit. accepted names - I just know what I do -- First of all I take a poem (Cummings and Melvin B. Tolson) and limit the borders by putting it in blockquotes < blockquote >
    love is a place
    & through this place of
    love move
    (with brightness of peace)
    all places

    yes is a world
    &in this world of
    yes live
    (skilfully curled)
    all worlds and than close the blockquote < /blockquote >

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 29, 2002 - 04:08 pm
    Shoot I wrote this whole thing using blockquotes along with lists without numbers and letters -- even used several stanzas of three different poems ( a Parker, a Tolton and a Cummings) to example what I was saying and when I finished it said no access - I must have even taken too long for the post - shesh - not now later I will show you what I do.

    Marvelle
    June 29, 2002 - 06:43 pm
    Frank O'Hara's poem follows Emily Dickinson's teaching "tell the truth but tell it slant." It is by telling slant that poetry can be so powerful as in "The Day Lady Died" in which you feel the empty place that once held Billie Holiday.

    Between the thoughtful advice of 3kings and Barbara I hope to learn how to do indents too. I am hopelessly slow at learning such things.

    I've an interest in the concept of time, space, home, stories and how they exist together. One of my favorite poets is Simon Ortiz, a Native American and member of Acoma Pueblo in New Mexico, a few minutes drive from my home. The following poem is from his collected works "Woven Stone," publisher The University of Arizona.

    Time and Motion and Space

    by Simon Ortiz

    I told Barbara,
    "When I was a kid
    we used to throw rocks
    off the cliffedges at Aacqu.
    We were fascinated
    because the falling of rock
    seems to be something
    like stopping time.

    I mean it seems real
    and clear to you then.
    Time is so deep, fathomless,
    and all the time
    that you can't pin it down
    at exact points nor with explanations.
    But being witness to falling rock. . .
    Time is tangible then.
    It is a rock falling
    from the release of your hand,
    moving into, through, down
    space to the ground
    at bottom cliffedge.
    That's how you know then.

    Time and motion and space:
    pine and fir,
    the wind,
    lichen on sunwarm flat rock,
    a road below in the valley,
    voices of friends,
    ourselves.
    "Pine song," she said.
    Butterfly comes by.
    And then Bee all dressed in bright yellow and black.

    "This is the way it is."

    "I'm not just making it up."

    .
    Reaction to the poem -- I like the transition after the sentence 'That's how you know then' from looking outside to the ending of the poem when we are inside, connected, a part of all life. Some more of his poems and other Native American poets can be found at Poetry from Indigenous People .

    I'm reading "Venice Revealed," a book by Paolo Barbaro, published by Steerforth Press. He's a civil engineer a Venetian, and he's written 16 books of which I'd never read any (my loss). "Venice Revealed" is about his return to Venice after a 7 year absence and how he searches for a sense of home and belonging. His prose is as close to poetry as I've ever found in a narrative book. Excerpt from pages 102-103:

    "Bit by bit a basic point is coming clear to me, one that wasn't clear at all the first days I was back. It's not necessary to walk around much, you can do just as well by staying more or less in one place. . . . Here the most minimal displacement on the part of the beholder changes everything; perspectives, colors, positions, even voices. It requires patient, attentive eyes, capable of registering the details of a microcosm rather than the outlines of a big picture. You have to choose a spot -- any spot -- stop, stand perfectly still, open your eyes, look around and then look again, and then close your eyes. Furthermore, you must accept all discourse, listen when someone speaks to you about history or tells you the ancient tales, listen with your eyes open or closed (it's all part of the picture), concentrate once more, then loosen your focus. Next you must take a few steps, noting the changing relationships between lines, the profiles of houses, the open mouths of the windows, the colors of water. Take in, a bit at a time, the nuances of the facades, the continual shadings of things. Follow them to 'understand' them, in the sense of trying to contain and compare them within yourself. Above all, move very little: one step up or down on the bridge, one pace back or forward on the bank of the canal. The whole of Venice may be rediscovered in this small space; one step farther, and you will stumble upon an entirely different city, echoing the one you just left. Space is scarce but time is infinite -- the opposite of the modern world. No speed, no distance; instead, a slow movement through centuries."

    Barbaro's way of finding home is also a description of the poetic process. Maybe to poets home and poetry are the same concept. I think this way of seeing and being is open to all of us.

    I tried blockquotes Barbara around the Barbaro quote and we'll see if it takes and looks right. Anxiously awaiting more tips on posting techniques.

    Marvelle

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 29, 2002 - 09:51 pm
    OK looks like you have <blockquote> down - hurrah --

    the indents can be accomplished several ways - one is to simply repeat the blockquotes - or another way is to create a list without numbers or letters in a sequance. Here are bits of Parker's --

    <center> <i>Afternoon</i> </center>


    <blockquote> When I am old, and comforted,
    <blockquote> And done with this desire,
    </blockquote> With Memory to share my bed
    <blockquote> And Peace to share my fire,
    </blockquote> </blockquote>


    You notice if you use the blockquote technique there is space between each line - and for every blockquote you must close a blockquote and so if you are playing with several then observe how I closed them --

    OR the technique I use -- and it matters not if you use capitol or lower case letters. Now I cannot seem to get this to look smoothe because I am giving instructions to allow the two < > < less than and more than symbols > to show with the instruction in between - this is creating spaces in the post that I cannot seem to close up but this at least is the technique - I will use the technique without instructions so that you may see the smoothe look.
    <blockquote>
    <DL> < br >
    <Dt> I'll comb my hair in scalloped bands
    <DD> Beneath my laundered cap,
    <dt> And watch my cool and fragile hands
    <dd> Lie ligh upon my lap <P>

    <DT> And I will have a spriggèd gown
    <DD> With lace to kiss my throat;

    and so forth... to close - you always close backwards - the last instruction given is first to be addressed when closing and so the list instructions first </DL>
    followed by the </blockquote>


    Now let's look at a poem that has two indented lines following each other and several non-indented lines following each other -- <blockquote>
    <DL> < br >
    <Dt> Byron and Shelley and Keats < br >
    Were a trio of lyrical treats. < br >
    The forehead of Shelley was cluttered with curls, < br >
    And Keats never was a descendant of earls, < br >
    And Byron walked out with a number of girls, <DD>
    But it didn't impair the poetical feats <dd>
    Of Byron and Shelley, < br >
    Of Byron and Shelley, </dd>
    Of Byron and Shelley and Keats. <p>

    <DT>

    <i>Oscar Wilde </i> < br >
    If, with the literate, I am < br >
    Impelled to try an epigram, < br >
    I never seek to take the credit; < br >
    We all assume the Oscar said it. <p>

    <dd> <dd> <dd>

    and so forth...< br >
    ending with the last instruction first but not including <dt> or <dd> < br >
    </DL>
    </blockquote>


    A trick I learned from Pat - while writing this I always start a new line with the instruction and than another line with what I am saying - that way if I missed a tag it is easier to find - this will not repeat and show in the post as a new line but the form window will only have the new line for each instruction and content.

    One more - if I want the straight left edge but I want it as if the poem is centered -- then this is what I do --

    <blockquote>
    <dl> <dl> <dl> <dl>
    < br >
    <DT > <i>Allegro Moderato </i> < br >
    Black Crispus Attucks taught <DD> <dd> <DD> <DD >
    Us how to die
    <DT> Before white Patrick Henry's bugle breath < br >
    Uttered the vertical <DD> <dd> <DD> <DD >
    Transmitting cry:
    <DT> "Yea, give me liberty or give me death." < br >
    </DL> </dl> </DL> </dl>
    </blockquote>


    You may have to play with the DLs to see how many you need to get the look you want. And the same with the intented mark dd.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 29, 2002 - 10:43 pm
    Shoot I have no access again and I needed to fix some of those instructions - as I said what is making it more difficult is that there are instructions you cannot see that is creating the havoc - let me reproduce these poems and see if there are any errors above -- if there are any errors I can point them out - essentially the process is creating a Definition list line breaks will occur with each line that starts with either a <dt> or an indent of <dd>

    If you need a space as in the end of a stanza you must insert a paragraph break <p>

    What I am not sure of is if you need a greater indent if you just repeat the <dd&#62d; several times or if I actualy repeat the <dl> to move it over and than close the extra <dl>

    And so this is a test and I will tell you what works after I try it

    Byron and Shelley and Keats
    Were a trio of lyrical treats.
    The forehead of Shelley was cluttered with curls,
    And Keats never was a descendant of earls,
    And Byron walked out with a number of girls,
    But it didn't impair the poetical feats
    Of Byron and Shelley,
    Of Byron and Shelley,
    Of Byron and Shelley and Keats.

    Oscar Wilde
    If, with the literate, I am
    Impelled to try an epigram,
    I never seek to take the credit;
    We all assume the Oscar said it.


    One more - if I want the straight left edge but I want it as if the poem is centered I use several <DL>

    Allegro Moderato
    Black Crispus Attucks taught
    Us how to die
    Before white Patrick Henry's bugle breathe
    Uttered the vertical
    Transmitting cry:
    "Yea, give me liberty or give me death."

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    June 29, 2002 - 10:59 pm
    OK the best thing for me to do is to repeat the above and use () paranthesis rather than all the invisible tags to show you what I did --
    (blockquote)(DL)
    (DT) Byron and Shelley and Keats (BR)
    Were a trio of lyrical treats. (BR)
    The forehead of Shelley was cluttered with curls, (BR)
    And Keats never was a descendant of earls, (BR)
    And Byron walked out with a number of girls,
    (DD)But it didn't impair the poetical feats
    (DL)(DD)Of Byron and Shelley, (BR)
    Of Byron and Shelley, (/DL)
    Of Byron and Shelley and Keats. (P)

    (DT) (i)Oscar Wilde (/i) (BR)
    If, with the literate, I am (BR)
    Impelled to try an epigram, (BR)
    I never seek to take the credit; (BR)
    We all assume the Oscar said it. (/DL)
    (/blockquote)


    One more - if I want the straight left edge but I want it as if the poem is centered I use several <DL>

    (blockquote)
    (DL)(DL)(DL)(DL)
    (DT)(i)Allegro Moderato (/i)(br)
    Black Crispus Attucks taught
    (DL)(DL)(DL)(dd) Us how to die (/DL)(/DL)(/DL)
    (DT) Before white Patrick Henry's bugle breathe (br)
    Uttered the vertical
    (DL)(DL)(DL)(dd) Transmitting cry: (/DL)(/DL)(/DL)
    (DT)"Yea, give me liberty or give me death."
    (/DL)(/DL)(/DL)(/DL)
    (/blockquote)


    I know it still looks strange here but in order to get the very indented lines in this Tolson poem I repeated the (DL) three times and than further indented with a (DD) having to close all three (DL) before going to a line that matched up with the first line.

    xxxxx
    June 30, 2002 - 06:04 am
    Thanks to everyone who answered my question re indents.

    In The Day Lady Died one of the stanzas began waaaaaaay right and I tried everything I knew and much that I didn't to get it to look O'Hara's way. Finally I just centered the line and it was close.

    However, again thanks because now next time perhaps I can get it done in less than forty-five minutes and with all the cursing when the "no access" thingie says its nyah, nyah..

    Jack

    Marvelle
    June 30, 2002 - 10:25 am
    Thanks for the tips. I thought everyone but me knew all about indents and posting techniques for poems. Now I've got guidelines I can use.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    June 30, 2002 - 10:38 am
    One Art

    by Elizabeth Bishop (1911-1979)

    The art of losing isn't hard to master;
    so many things seem filled with the intent to be
    lost that their loss is no disaster.

    Lose something every day. Accept the fluster of
    lost door keys, the hour badly spent. The art of
    losing isn't hard to master.

    Then practice losing farther, losing faster:
    places, and names, and where it was you meant to
    travel. None of these will bring disaster.

    I lost my mother's watch. And look! my last, or
    next-to-last, of three loved houses went. The art
    of losing isn't hard to master.

    I lost two cities, lovely ones. And, vaster, some
    realms I owned, two rivers, a continent. I miss
    them, but it wasn't a disaster.

    --Even losing you (the joking voice, a gesture I
    love) I shan't have lied. It's evident the art of
    losing's not too hard to master though it may look
    like (Write it!) like disaster.

    From "The Complete Poems 1927-1979" by Elizabeth Bishop, publisher Farrar, Straus and Giroux, Inc., 1979.

    Marvelle

    xxxxx
    July 1, 2002 - 05:53 am
    I like her poetry.

    Just finished reading an essay about her in Colm Toibin's book "Love in a Dark Time." Because of this some of the personal references were clearer to me.

    She has done many translations of modern Brazilian poets. Some very nice work.

    I like that if-you-don't-say-it-it-isn't ending. Touching...but like touching a sore, stinging.

    Jack

    xxxxx
    July 1, 2002 - 05:56 am

    I and Pangur Ban my cat, 'Tis a similar task we're at: Hunting mice is his delight, Hunting words I sit all night.



    Better far than praise of men 'Tis to sit with book and pen; Pangur bears me no ill-will, He too plies his simple skill.



    'Tis a merry task to see At our tasks how glad are we, When at home we sit and find Entertainment to our mind.



    Oftentimes a mouse will stray In the hero Pangur's way; Oftentimes my keen thought set Takes a meaning in its net.



    'Gainst the wall he sets his eye Full and fierce and sharp and sly; 'Gainst the wall of knowledge I All my little wisdom try.



    When a mouse darts from its den, O how glad is Pangur then! O what gladness do I prove When I solve the doubts I love!



    So in peace our task we ply, Pangur Ban, my cat, and I; In our arts we find our bliss, I have mine and he has his.



    Practice every day has made Pangur perfect in his trade; I get wisdom day and night Turning darkness into light.



    -- Anon., (Irish, 8th century)

    The Early Medieval monks who copied manuscripts sometimes jotted down brief poems in the margins of the books they were working on. If my memory serves me correctly this poem was found in an old manuscript.

    I was reminded of it because of a stray Russian Blue cat that has taken up residence with me...on her terms mostly. I had three 2/3 shoebox size boxes on my coffee table for storing CD's, plus a much smaller box for the same purpose beside them. The cat - Pooks - decided that these were an ideal lounging area and with a bit of difficulty managed to stretch out so that she covered all three and just managed to touch the smaller one with a foot. A day ago I added a fourth large box to the table, putting it behind the others. Pooks has all but disengaged her skeleton in an attempt to include this fourth large box in her lounging turf. Poor creature she looks quite uncomfortable...and not a little annoyed.

    Jack

    Marvelle
    July 1, 2002 - 02:35 pm
    Jack, I laughed over Pangur Ban with his person (wonder how it's spoken?) and howled over Pooks, the elegantly uncomfortable Russian Blue!

    Now I want a cat named Pangur Ban, or Pooks (where'd that name come from?)

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    July 1, 2002 - 05:50 pm
    Are fewer poems being written with meter and end-rhymes in these past 5-10 years? If so why is that happening? Perhaps because of the world shrinking through the net communication, which develops an interest in global art, also the issues of translation? Often a translator has to choose between rhyme or specific details/imagery and the better choice to me is in the details. We come up against this more and more often. Do you think that's why Robert Frost and his 'Sound of Sense' is not as popular in non-English speaking countries as in the U.S. -- that he doesn't translate well?

    Another question -- sorry but it's not often I'm part of a salon open to questions and I can't stop talking -- are end-rhymes and meter important for the longevity of a poem? Didn't Jack say that he knew by heart poems that rhymed/with a metrical beat and is that how poems last? Because we love them so much that we can recite them without prompting? They're easy to remember?

    If a poem doesn't have rhyme/meter what takes their place? Imagery like Yeats "salmon-falls"? Should poets become troubadors again like Homer and use the little memory tricks embedded in the poem? -- repetition, a catch phrase ....

    What's left for the section of contemporary poetry missing rhyme and meter? Allusion, symbols, metaphor, parable....?

    What about intensity? Do today's poets give us the same jolt of emotion as earlier poets like Yeats, Wordsworth, even the more modern Elizabeth Bishop and Frank O'Hara? Donald Hall talked about poets living life intensely with the "volume turned up" and good readers had to follow with the same courage. Robert Bly says that poems had to have "explosions" in order to be considered poems. Do we need "explosions" in poetry today?

    I hope someone is interested in tackling a question or two here. I'm seeking answers to questions that I'm not sure are the right ones to be asking myself.

    Marvelle

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 1, 2002 - 06:08 pm
    Hmmm - all I have is opinions - but yes, so much new poetry does not end in rhyme but than does Jazz - I'm thinking the sound of words - sounds that can elongate a line, or not, is bringing about oh what is it called when a piece of music is played in many variations with differnt tempos and different instruments - I also think poetry carried-on an ancient tradition that enabled epics, ballads etc. to be remembered - it was the rhythm and rhyme that made memorizing easier. Now we have poetry in a written form and only choose to memorize for our own gratification. Just as jazz is difficult to actually put on paper I think poetry is taking a leaf out of that genra rather than the formal regular concerto sounds on variation of the likes of a Bach and Mozart.

    Marvelle
    July 1, 2002 - 06:44 pm
    Barbara, your sound of words is like Frost's "Sound of Sense" but his sound doesn't translate well. It would be near impossible for sound to translate well from one language into another. I'm wondering if that is why the 'sound of words' isn't used as much by professional poets anymore, that they are writing to an international readership? Do you think? (My opinion only that sound has diminished in today's poems.)

    Here are two examples of prose poems I'd promised Anna:

    The Reason Why The Closet-Man Is Never Sad

    by Russell Edson

    This is the house of the closet-man. There are no rooms, just hallways and closets.
    Things happen in rooms. He does not like things to happen....Closets, you take things out of closets, you put things into closets, and nothing happens..

    Why do you have such a strange house?

    I am the closet-man, I am either going or coming, and I am never sad.

    But why do you have such a strange house?

    I am never sad...

    From "The Reason Why the Closet-Man Is Never Sad by Russell Edson, published by Wesleyan Univ Press 1977.

    .
    Another prose poem:

    Untitled

    by Gary Young

    I discovered a journal in the children's ward, and read, I'm a mother, my little boy has cancer. Further on, a girl has written, this is my nineteenth operation. She says, sometimes it's easier to write than to talk, and I'm so afraid. She's offered me a page in the book. My son is sleeping in the room next door. This afternoon, I held my whole weight to his body while a doctor drove needles deep into his leg. My son screamed, Daddy, they're hurting me, don't let them hurt me, make them stop. I want to write, how brave you are, but I need a little courage of my own, so I write, forgive me, I know I let them hurt you, please don't worry. If I have to, I can do it again.

    From "The Prose Poem: An International Journal," published by Providence College RI.

    Maybe these prose poems can also be considered in my questions.

    Marvelle

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 1, 2002 - 10:37 pm
    Do you think poets write for others?! Maybe they do but I keep thinking they write to some inner drum that needs to beat out and some prefer to orgainze the beats to fit a certain scheme like putting together a puzzle and others like to dwell on the sounds. So many seem to be telling a story using minimal words and sounds - I'm not sure where that fits - and yet the old epics and ballads in fact much of poetry was just that a long story. So far the only prose poems, if that is what it could be called, that really knocked me off my feet are the stories written by Dylan Thomas. But then anything he wrote I think is a master piece - I love that man's way with words. I am always suprised when reading the Narnia stories how much poetry is in Lewis's writing. And Elliot tells tales in poetry but for some reason I don't take to his work - to me it seems to affectatious. So far I still prefer the grunting, groaning and pushing of DT but then there are many poets I have still must become aquainted.

    I've recently been reading some translations of Octavio Paz - I keep thinking I'm going to go down to Montarey and get past just giving a few instructions in Spanish - reading his work is giving me the bug again.
    Here

    My steps along this street
    resound
    in another street
    in which
    I hear my steps
    passing along this street
    in which

    Only the mist is real


    The Grove
    For Pere Gimferrer

    Enormous and solid
    but swaying,
    beaten by the wind
    but chained,
    murmur of a million leaves
    against my window
    Riot of trees,
    surge of dark green sounds.
    The grove,
    suddenly still,
    is a web of fronds and branches,
    But there are flaming spaces
    and,fallen into these meshes,
    --restless,
    breathing--
    is something violent and rresplendent,
    an animal swift and wrathful,
    a body of light among the leaves
    the day.


    To the left, above the wall,

    more idea than color,,
    a bit of sky and many clouds,
    a tile-blue basin
    bordered by big, crumbling rocks,
    sand cast down
    into the funnel of the grove.
    In the middle
    thick drops of ink
    spattered
    on a sheet of paper inflamed by the west;
    it's black, there, almost entirely,
    in the far southeast,
    where the horizon breaks down,
    The bower
    turns copper, shines.
    Three blackbirds
    pass through the blaze and reappear,
    unharmed,
    in the empty space:neither light nor shade.
    Clouds
    on the way to their dissolution.


    Lights are lit in the house.
    The sky gathers in the window.

    The patio
    enclosed in its four walls
    grows more and more secluded.
    Thus it perfects it reality,
    And now the trash can,
    the empty flower pot
    on the blind cement
    contain nothing but shadows.
    Space closes
    over itself
    Little by little the names petrify.

    xxxxx
    July 2, 2002 - 04:36 am
    Pangur Ban (pahn-gur bawn), the second word should have an acute accent, called a sine fada in Irish. I've never known what Pangur means, however "ban" means white or fair. Thus, the cat was probably white or mostly so I would think.

    "Pooks" got her name because my cat in New York - a much more socialable and less self-engrossed animal by far - was called Pooks, and I was hoping for a direct replacement. No such luck, even the sex is different. I borrowed the name from someone else's cat, and I think it was a child's corruption of the word "boots."

    In searching web sites to see if I could find the meaning of the name Pangur I came across a wonderful quote from W.B. Yeats: "Education is not filling a bucket, it's lighting a fire."

    That's it unless I remembered it wrong from there to here. I have the memory of a sieve, or is it a collander? In any case, it's the holes that matter and they are there aplenty. That too reminds me of Yeats. He wrote a story entitled: "Where There is Nothing There is God." Perhaps this is what happens when all the holes join and there is no more sieve or collander? Wouldn't it be a sight if we woke up in heaven and found the saints were wearing collanders not haloes.

    Jack

    Marvelle
    July 2, 2002 - 06:00 am
    Barbara, ask professional poets and they will say they write for themselves and other poets, past-present-future. Poets are gratified if the public also reads them. But there is the urge in this small community of poets to live on, to be Keats' Nightingale.

    My questions weren't really asking what I like, I know the poetry I like, but is the face of poetry changing, aren't we seeing less end-rhymes and meter in contemporary prof. poetry, and why is that; and can poetry be memorable -- like a Yeats or Keats or Frost -- without rhyme/meter; what takes their place.

    I know too that 'professional poet' is hard to define except to say that these are poets who live through their poetry -- emotionally and financially and mostly as poets-in-residence at some college or another. Prof poets would be Wilbur, Bly, etc. Without deciding what I like/dislike about contemporary poetry, I'm trying to figure out the questions I've advanced. I'll see how my own writing fits in later. I'm not trying to critique anyone's style but to get to the underside of today's poetry.

    Thanks Jack for Pangur Ban and Pooks info. What great names. And just like a cat, Pooks has decided to do things her way.

    Yeats "lighting a fire" is so like a poet, don't you think? Stir up the rabble! Let's start a revolution through poetry!

    Marvelle

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 2, 2002 - 06:33 am
    Kevxu, Samuel Barber wrote a series of songs called Hermit Songs, as you probably know, and set Pangur to music. I've sung this song more times than I can remember in concerts and recitals. Pangur is a wonderful song and a delight to sing. Long ago Leontyne Price recorded the Hermit Songs. Listen to Pangur if you have the chance.

    Mal

    Marvelle
    July 2, 2002 - 06:52 am
    I studied a year under a professional poet. She'd found recognition early but she felt she wasn't read by the public -- i.e., collector's vied for her books but didn't read her. I asked her once how do we know someone is a poet, is it because they published something; or can you call yourself a poet? She said no -- and this was confirmed by other poets later in different circumstances - that you are a poet when acknowledged poets acknowledge you as one of their own. It's a very small and closed community, almost snobby in some ways -- that of poets -- but you can see who poets are writing for, whose approval they want. A poet cannot stop being a poet and they have to write, so yes they write for themselves initially but they need that recognition.

    Those of us who write poetry because we have to write may not be acknowledged poets but the love and desire for poetry is there even if not officially approved. We are poets in our own way.

    Yet a poet can write and be recognized but their poetry doesn't necessarily last and that is where I'm interested along with trying to figure out the 'what and why and how' of contemporary poetry.

    What's happened to rhyme and meter? Has their use diminished and why? Is rhyme/meter what makes a poem something you can recite at will? What takes it's place? What is it that keeps a poem alive like Yeat's "Sailing..." or Frost's "Mowing"? These are some of the questions I posed.

    Marvelle

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 2, 2002 - 11:01 pm
    dedicated to Pangur Ban
    Yes, Pangurbancat, every kitten knows that.
    But you have not answered my question.
    Everything you are is chase and escape,
    as God plays
    with all matter.
    But how can you tell us when things are shipshape,
    and when they are going to shatter?


    what is it like to be a cat,
    what do you think they think,
    what do they really feel
    their inner emotions are what?
    A cat must be different
    cat watchers conclude
    we can only imagine
    the mind of a cat,
    why should we treat them as real?

    Are people who say
    cats think and act
    with emotion
    offering anything but
    mere sentiment.
    A version of science
    cats must have brains
    their bodies do this and that
    can justify terrible things.

    If cats are not real
    cat pain is not real
    there is really no reason
    not to hurt a cat.
    If cats have no emotions,
    we can keep cats in ways
    that serve our emotions
    not theirs.
    We can keep cats in comfortable prisons,
    not troubled to think
    are we denying
    cat-passions cat-ventures.
    Do we glide forth
    'we can't know what it is like to be a cat'
    head forth
    'there is no cat experience we can take

    as serious and literal as our own.

    Physics they say is trying to understand

    the mind of God
    'it's real but
    we may not be able to grasp
    all of it.'
    Do we keep God in ways that satisfy our emotions
    Do we keep God in comfortable prisons
    Do we deny God passions and ventures
    We don’t know what its like to be God
    Is every God experience only
    as serious and literal as our own.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 3, 2002 - 02:14 am
    I don't want to write it all out again -- but -- as you read could you change mere to sheer -- the posting again said no access.

    Jan
    July 3, 2002 - 11:56 pm
    I've been trying to get back in here, but everytime I do the Internet is moving like treacle and I give up.I think poets write for themselves as a compulsion, but they need a response. Milton said"fit audience find though few."

    Australia's first modern poets had no response and no exposure due to their isolation, and found it very hard going. I enjoyed the poem about time, and my favourite poet Slessor based most of his writing on Time. I posted one some time ago on Captain Cook's Chronometers.

    Jan

    Marvelle
    July 4, 2002 - 02:18 pm
    Well, I'm reading "April 1865" for the discussion starting July 8th so haven't checked in to Poetry until today. Still have half the book to finish.

    The Pangur Ban poem was wonderful Barbara. A lot was going on in the poem. Thank you. Then Malryn gives us exciting info about Samuel Barber's "Hermit Songs", i.e. Pangur which she's sung! Malryn always adds new and exciting info for any discussion. I read the SN comments for "My Antonia." The discussion has just started, and Mal has an interesting post on Slavic languages.

    Jack reads Irish (where did you learn Jack? On your own?), Malryn is a concert singer, Barbara is the researcher par excellance and can create at the drop of a hat. Me? I'm just a reader today.

    Jan, do you have any poems from Australia to share? Some of your own or from other writers that you like? The Milton quote is dead-on. Poets are so grateful to meet anyone in the public who reads their poems. Generally their loyal audience, and competitors, are other poets. I'm still grappling with what makes a poem last and not be just a temporary, forgettable pleasure.

    Here is a poem about, among other things, storytelling and survival which to poets are the same thing:

    A Story of How A Wall Stands

    At Aacqu, there is a wall
    almost 400 years old
    which supports hundreds
    of tons of dirt and bones--
    it's a graveyard built on a
    steep incline--and it looks
    like it's about to fall down
    the incline but will not for
    a long time.

    by Simon J. Ortiz

    My father, who works with stone,
    says, "That's just the part you see,
    the stones which seem to be
    just packed in on the outside,"
    and with his hands puts the stone and mud
    in place. "Underneath what looks like loose stone,
    there is stone woven together."
    He ties one hand over the other,
    fitting like the bones of his hands
    and fingers. "That's what is
    holding it together."

    "It is built that carefully,"
    he says, "the mud mixed
    at a certain texture," patiently
    "with the fingers," worked
    in the palm of his hand. "So that
    placed between the stones, they hold
    together for a long, long time."

    He tells me those things,
    the story of them worked
    with his fingers, in the palm
    of his hands, working the stone
    and the mud until they become
    the wall that stands a long, long time.

    .
    From the collected poems "Woven Stone" publisher The University of Arizona.

    Marvelle

    xxxxx
    July 5, 2002 - 04:21 am
    I liked you cat poem very much - a great comment/response to the old one.

    Jack

    xxxxx
    July 5, 2002 - 04:25 am
    I've heard _of_ Hermit Songs, but haven't actually heard a performance. I looked around the web and realized that I'm familiar with several of the poems he has used.

    Is there a recorded version you would recommend?

    Jack

    xxxxx
    July 5, 2002 - 04:47 am
    Marvelle wrote: "Didn't Jack say that he knew by heart poems that rhymed/with a metrical beat and is that how poems last?"

    I think that must have been someone else. I've never really found that rhyme is especially helpful in remembering. In fact, sometimes I've found that it throws me off.

    I'm not at all a good memorizer. Those rhymed poems that I memorized at one time or another have escaped my recall now, but I do recall - at least in parts - English language versions of suttas from the Pali canon, and some passages of ritual from a Zen temple. What helped in those cases was the dependable meter, and the sequence of ideas/images. In the Pali canon various patterns of repetion are employed as many of them were intended to be memorized and recited.

    Mind is the forerunner of all inclinations,
    Mind is the master, they are all made by mind.

    If one speaks or acts with a corrupt mind,
    Suffering follows one even as the cart wheel follows the foot of the ox.

    Mind is the forerunner of all inclinations,
    Mind is the master, they are all made by mind.

    If one speaks or acts with a clear mind,
    Happiness follows one even as your shadow which never departs.

    from the Dhammapada

    Jack

    Marvelle
    July 5, 2002 - 06:19 am
    A poem with rhyme/meter will often lose them in translation if the translator wants to stick to the feel of the poem. I remember reading Faust in an early translation and it kept the rhyme/meter and it read "thunkity thunkity THUD." It was painful to read. A few years later I read Faust again but this translator lost the rhyme/meter while keeping the imagery and other poetic techniques like repetition. What a difference!

    By imagery I don't mean the frequent use of adjectives, just mind pictures like Yeats "an aged man is but a paltry thing / a tattered coat upon a stick."

    Do others feel that? The techniques Jack speaks of are what helps me remember a poem for pleasure and recitation. If there is rhyme it has to be subtle and not stump along. A rhyming poem could also be memorable if done well.

    Are most contemporary poems memorable? I haven't yet heard any prose poems that stick in my memory. Nor any of the meandering free-verse poems. Forget yesterday's confessional poems (thank goodness that fad has passed!) I can like some of these poems yet won't be able to remember them. Perhaps that is how it is with poetry throughout time -- most are not memorable and a few become a part of us.

    Jack mentioned imagery and repetition which are in the troubador tradition. Other techniques? I think I need lyricism, by which I don't mean archaic language "thou art; woulds't" but intensity of feeling. It can be a quiet intensity like Yeats "Sailing..." or the more physical poems of Frost but there needs to be that intensity. Ideas in poems aren't memorable to me while imagery is.

    Marvelle

    xxxxx
    July 5, 2002 - 08:23 am
    The luxurious house had a huge mirror
    in the front hall, a very old mirror,
    bought at least eighty years ago.

    A good-looking boy, a tailor's assistant
    (on Sundays an amateur athlete),
    stood there with a package. He gave it to one of the

    household
    who took it in to get the receipt.
    The tailor's assistant,
    left alone as he waited,
    went up to the miror, looked at himself,
    and adjusted his tie. Five minutes later
    they brought him the receipt. He took it and went away.

    But the old mirror that had seen so much
    in its long life--
    thousands of objects, faces--
    the old mirror was full of joy now,
    proud to have embraced
    total beauty for a few moments.

    Jack

    annafair
    July 5, 2002 - 10:12 pm
    How can I thank you for your understanding when my Katie took her last ride? I am finding it hard to write and share my feelings about her. Unlike the people I have loved and lost there were no last minute words or hugs or understanding of what was happening. I chose to let her go and even as I did my hope to see her recover was still with me.

    Not that I havent lost pets before but this was somehow different. She was so much more than just a dog for she was with me when all else had left and I was alone. The daily tasks she needed, her water bowl with fresh water and ice cubes for that is what she preferred, the food dish to be filled, the walks,the car rides which required her window to be open so she could watch the coming and going of the cars and feel the air,all the things that filled our days are gone.

    We become so used to patterns in our life and I for one am presently lost without them. I have sent a request to the Golden Retriever Rescue group to be considered for one of their dogs. Katie was a yellow lab and I know I need a different breed to love this time. Katie like humans is not replaceable so a new breed will help me for I will have to learn what it will require and learn how we can adjust to each other.

    There are so many things that have changed and I have felt lost without them to mark the days. I thank you all for keeping poetry going, Marvelle, Barbara, Jack, Malryn,Trevor and Jan whom I welcome I hope to be here to stir the pot again. Did I miss someone? Oh Yes Robby and any lurkers who I hope will stop and say a word once in awhile to let us know you are there.

    I have finished all the posts since the last time I posted and have read every word and "listened" to your in depth discussion. You have stirred the pot and come up with some wonderful sharing.

    Marvelle has become a special friend to me with her emails and one night I used my free minutes and talked to her on the phone. Her voice is soft but I listened very hard and we chatted for quite sometime. I thank her for being there and here.

    One poet in my group once wrote a poem to me and likened me to a sunflower. It seems she thought even when I was at a low ebb I always lifted my head and faced the world. So I am hoping that is true and I will be here to admire your posts and share in your thoughts and feelings. anna

    3kings
    July 7, 2002 - 02:50 am
    Hello Anna, it is good to have you back. I hope to see you here frequently once again.

    The following comes from Hone Tuwhare, my favourite local poet.

    OLD MAN CHANTING IN THE DARK

    Where are the men of mettle?
    are the old scores left to settle?
    when will the canoes leap
    to the stab and kick
    the sea wet flourish
    of pointed paddles?
    will the sun play again
    to the skip of muscles
    on curved backs bared
    to the rain's lash
    the sea's punch?
    To War! to War!

    where are the proud lands
    to subdue--and women?
    where are the slaves
    to gather wood for the fires
    stones for the oven?
    who shall reap
    the succulent children whimpering
    on the terraced hilltop?

    No more alas no more
    no raw memory left
    of these
    nor bloody trophies :
    only the fantail's flip
    to cheeky war-like postures
    and on the sand-hill
    wry wind fluting
    the bleached bones marrowless.

    Hone Tuwhare.

    annafair
    July 8, 2002 - 03:39 am
    Trevor thanks I hope I will be back often too.

    When ever I read one of the poems you share I am reminded of the power of words and especially poetry. Poetry takes me to places I have never been, and experience things I have never done and feel things I never felt.

    The old man chanting is as clear to me as if I were watching him myself and his sorrow for what used to be. Since we are mostly seniors here I think perhaps we are all chanting in the dark and wondering about the changes in our lives.

    Thanks again for coming here and sharing one of your favorite poets. anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 16, 2002 - 09:49 am
    We've all been strangly quiet - I know that among other things - like floods and more flooding that have disrupted our road choices with low water crossings now 6 feet under water and the animal life which is trying for any nook and cranny in anyone's house to get in out of the weather - birds, coons, rats, possam and the snakes - I've been blessed by the animal invasion - a doe has hid behind the overgrown bay bush and produced twin fawns that now gamble all day on my overgrown back lawn - we have had 18" of rain in two weeks - just west of us by an hour have had 27" and now it has finally hit east of us and my son in Collage Station had 6" in two hours - they do not have the hundreds of creeks as we do here in the hill country and so their streets are now rivers.

    All that and I have holed up studying poetry - reading and reading but found two great books by Mary Oliver - her Poetry Handbook and another Rules for the Dance and then - I'm in heaven, I'm in heaven da da la la la la la don't you see tral la ...only remember a smatering of words - I found A Reader's Guide to DYLAN THOMAS - he is among my all time favorites - many of the poems are explained along with knowledge of what he said about them to others and what he was trying to convey and exactly how the poem is constructed that aids in conveying the message - after I have digested some of the information on just one poem I will come in here with a synopsis for us.

    In the meantime I have these snippits of the life of a poet along with one of the poems - from time to time I will share - today it is Poe
    Alone

    From childhood's hour I have not been

    As others were; I have not seen
    As others saw; I could not bring
    My passions from a common spring.
    From the same source I have not taken
    My sorrow; I could not awaken
    My heart to joy at the same tone;
    And all I loved, I loved alone.
    Then - in my childhood, in the dawn
    Of a most stormy life - was drawn
    From every depth of good and ill
    The mystery which binds me still:
    From the torrent, or the fountain,
    From the red cliff of the mountain,
    From the sun that round me rolled
    In its autumn tint of gold,
    From the lightning in the sky
    As it passed me flying by,
    From the thunder and the storm,
    And the cloud that took the form
    (When the rest of Heaven was blue)
    Of a demon in my view



    Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849) an American poet, critic, and short story writer known for his ability to create a dark and haunting tale, whether in short stories (like the "Tell-Tale Heart") or in poetry (like "The Raven").

    Poe's mother died when he was just two years old, at which time he was cared for by John Allan. He briefly attended the University of Virginia, but fled academic life for Boston. He published several poems in 1827 and began to write short stories, winning $50 from a Baltimore weekly for his "Ms. Found in a Bottle."

    Poe became co-editor of Philadelphia-based "Burton's Gentlemen's Magazine" in 1839, where some of his best short stories appeared. "The Raven" appeared in 1845, bringing him national acclaim. Many of his works were not published until his death in 1849 -- a death blamed on his alcoholism but which has since been thought to possibly be rabies based on historical evidence of his symptoms.

    While much of Poe's work plays on readers' fears, he also had a sensitive side as seen in some his poetry, including "Annabel Lee."

    Poe's influence was not limited to the United States. He was regarded by many international poets as the poetic model and guide to criticism, chiefly French Symbolism, which relied heavily on his "The Philosophy of Composition" in the creation of its modern theory of "pure poetry."

    viogert
    July 17, 2002 - 11:19 am
    The Most Unforgettable Character I've Ever Met
    gives advice to the young poet


    GIVE POETRY A BAD NAME


    May your poems run away from home
    and live between the lines.
    May they break and enter, assault and batter,
    and loiter in the mind with intent.
    May they invite the critics for dinner
    and leave before the main course.
    May they put a hand up the Muse's skirt
    (only to find Robert Graves' hand already there).
    May the dying be anointed with them
    and the living vaccinated against them.
    May they walk in our sleep
    and talk while we are talking.
    May they leave understains on the memory.


    CREEP UP ON POETRY WHILE SHE'S FEEDING THE DUCKS


    May your poems run riots
    and sit outside Courts where Justice has grown flabby.
    May they exceed the brain limit
    and never stop for hitchhikers.
    May they stick in the craw of the Law
    and fly in the face of gift horses.
    May they bushwack bandwagons
    then take to the hills.
    May they break new wind.


    WHILST RAPING POETRY, KEEP HER AT ARM'S LENGTH


    (you will thus be more easily identified later).
    May your poems save us.
    Save us from those who peddle pornography
    and who are not sensual.
    Save us from those who advocate strength in disunity.
    Save us from those who would replace God
    with an autographed picture of themselves.
    Save us from those who think they should lead
    because they have followers.
    Save us from those who think they should lead
    because they want followers.
    Save us from those who think they are right.
    Save us from those who think YOU are right.


    WHEN POETRY SCREAMS AT YOU, THREATEN TO TAKE UP PAINTING.


    May your poems act their rage
    and cry out against the wilderness you have chosen.
    May they spit blood into the wind
    and once written, seldom regain consciousness.
    May they close their eyes and walk in the dark.
    May they brandish themselves in undreamed chasms
    like a blindman's stick.
    May they be seen and heard.
    May they ask the unaskable.
    Question the unquestionable.
    Eke out the unekeoutable.
    May they ring from the rafters.
    Live happy ever afters.
    May they be damned, and published.


    Roger McGough (1937 - )
    Written for The National Book League's 'Bedford Square Bookbang' 1971

    Malryn (Mal)
    July 18, 2002 - 06:13 am
    Those are great, viogert. Thanks.

    Mal

    Marvelle
    July 19, 2002 - 03:49 pm
    I collect old photographs and postcard-photos. I found one some years ago of a farmer on a 2 horse team wagon in front of his fence and barn and house. One top of the wagon, piled twelve feet high at the least, were the skulls and hides of dead buffalo. The caption to this postcard, "Thank Heaven! Conquered at last," was taken from a Poe poem.

    The European settlers on the Plains obviously felt that the buffalo were gone forever -- 3 million hides sent to market between 1872-74 alone -- and with them the Plains Indians. By the 1900's only 1000 buffalo remained compared to the original 60 million. But luckily for America, the triumph expressed in the postcard was false and the Native Americans' beloved buffalo are increasing. Poe's poem is more prophetic than the postcard sentiment.



    For Annie

    by Edgar Allan Poe

    Thank Heaven! the crisis --

    The danger is past

    And the lingering illness
    Is over at last --

    And the fever called "Living"
    Is conquered at last.

    Sadly, I know

    I am shorn of my strength,

    And no muscle I move
    As I lie at full length --

    But no matter! -- I feel
    I am better at length.

    And I rest so composedly,

    Now, in my bed

    That any beholder
    Might fancy me dead --

    Might start at beholding me,
    Thinking me dead.

    The moaning and groaning,

    The sighing and sobbing,

    Are quieted now
    With that horrible throbbing

    At heart: -- ah, that horrible,
    Horrible throbbing!

    The sickness -- the nausea --

    The pitiless pain --

    Have ceased, with the fever
    That maddened my brain --

    With the fever called "Living"
    That burned in my brain.

    And oh! of all tortures

    That torture the worst

    Has abated -- the terrible
    Torture of thirst

    For the naphthaline river
    Of Passion accurst: --

    I have drunk of a water
    That quenches all thirst: --

    Of a water that flows,

    With a lullaby sound,

    From a spring but a very few
    Feet under ground --

    From a cavern not very far
    Down under ground.

    And ah! let it never

    Be foolishly said

    That my room it is gloomy
    And narrow my bed;

    For man never slept
    In a different bed --

    And, to sleep, you must slumber
    In just such a bed.

    My tantalized spirit

    Here blandly reposes,

    Forgetting, or never
    Regretting its roses --

    Its old agitations
    Of myrtles and roses:

    For now, while so quietly

    Lying, it fancies

    A holier odor
    About it, of pansies --

    A rosemary odor,
    Commingled with pansies --

    With rue and the beautiful
    Puritan pansies.

    And so it lies happily,

    Bathing in many

    A dream of the truth
    And the beauty of Annie --

    Drowned in a bath
    Of the tresses of Annie.

    She tenderly kissed me,

    She fondly caressed,

    And then I fell gently
    To sleep on her breast --

    Deeply to sleep
    From the heaven of her breast.

    When the light was extinguished,

    She covered me warm,

    And she prayed to the angels
    To keep me from harm --

    To the queen of the angels
    To shield me from harm.

    And I lie so composedly,

    Now, in my bed,

    (Knowing her love)
    That you fancy me dead --

    And I rest so contentedly,
    Now, in my bed,

    (With her love at my breast)
    That you fancy me dead --

    That you shudder to look at me,
    Thinking me dead.

    But my heart it is brighter

    Than all of the many

    Stars in the sky,
    For it sparkles with Annie --

    It glows with the light
    Of the love of my Annie --

    With the thought of the light
    Of the eyes of my Annie.

    Barbara I hope you'll post more of your thoughts soon.

    --Marvelle

    annafair
    July 21, 2002 - 10:14 am
    I think Poe was one of the first poets I was enamoured with. Perhaps Annabel Lee took my fancy and I can still recite from memory most of it and I loved The Bells. It surprised me to learn he was with the army at the Fortress Monroe and helped in the building of the fort. He also gave readings at the hotel adjacent to the fort.It is called The Chamberlain now but when Poe was stationed there it was called something else. The orginal hotel burned down and was replaced with the newer one.

    His stories and his poetry appealed to an adolescent who loved to read his poetry outloud ( to herself) and enjoy the dramatic effects they produced.

    Again I have been negligent for a variety of reasons. Some due to missing my dog. She made my day necessary and now I am in need of something to keep me occupied. Another dog will help but the weather is too hot ( I am sure this is a nation wide complaint) and the rest of the country is suffering from too much water as Barbara is or fires that are destroying the forests. The newscasts are full of so many sad things I am torn between wanting to know and afraid of what I will hear and see.

    So I am glad to see some of you have come and expressed your love of poetry and shared your thoughts. It is my hope that this blue funk will disappear and I will find myself.

    In the meantime I thank you for keeping the discussion going. gratefully ...anna

    Marvelle
    July 26, 2002 - 06:29 am
    Barbara, are you still treading water in Texas? I enjoyed your last post and hope you'll be able to post more about the "Reader's Guide to Dylan Thomas" -- sounds like a wonderful key to appreciating Thomas.

    You grabbed my heart with the Poe info and poem. Even his stories read like poems with all their intensity and emotional danger. Poe was a forerunner to Frost and was definitely 'making wallets'.

    Marvelle

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    July 26, 2002 - 09:03 am
    Waters abating - my plate if full - deep into work - the summer market is keeping me busy with such low interest rates - and also I've been really working on some of my poetry in a workshop setting - learning tons but at the same time my mind swings to new words and ways of saying things during the most inopportune moments - then on top of it, one of my grandsons and his dad (fro Saluda NC and Greenville SC) will be here next week as Ty needs to follow up on some treatments as a result of his testing when they were visiting in June.

    Some of the nerves in Ty's brain are pinched because of his birth and it is affecting his ability to organize anything from numbers to following a list example, getting his stuff packed and ready for camp much less be able to organize his desk at school, his school notebook, his room even with his parents help - this is not just the average childhood behavior of being sloppy or lallygalling over doing what an adult wants. He just can't do it. And so there is a way in which you retrain the brain by playing these eye coordination games on a simulator that connects the electronics if you would in your brain.

    Bottom line there are only 6 places in the nation that have these simulators available and Gary is here because they are renting one to take home and after a week of Ty having treatment 3 times a day Gary is learning how to use it with equally as much training. With the many many tests an IQ was included and now it seems most important that Ty have every chance to accomplish with the best physical equipment - he has an IQ of 140.

    Well I am setting the house up again for their stay - so my dear Dylan is on the back burner for now but I have become acquainted with a German poet who wrote after WW1 about that war from the German perspective - poetry filled with irony and despair.

    Poe lived here in Austin before going to New York and he worked in a local Austin bank - there is Talk of his absconding with funds and spending time in our local jail - his house is preserved in the area around 5th street just east of the Capitol which is on 12th street. Haven't been down in quite a few years with all the construction in that part of town. But this fall when it is cooler and I am not as busy I need to make a pilgrimage and also run down to Kyle to see Dorothy Parker's childhood home.

    3kings
    July 29, 2002 - 02:44 am
    Wandering through SNet, I often feel like the traveller in this Walter de la Mare poem, as for days in some folders, no one seems to visit.-- Trevor

    THE LISTENERS

    ‘Is there anybody there?’ said the traveller,
    Knocking on the moonlit door;
    And his horse in the silence champed the grasses
    Of the forest’s ferny floor;
    And a bird flew up out of the turret,
    Above the traveller’s head:
    And he smote upon the door again a second time;
    ‘Is there anybody there ?’ he said.
    But no one descended to the traveller;
    No head from the leaf-fringed sill
    Leaned over and looked into his grey eyes,
    Where he stood perplexed and still.
    But only a host of phantom listeners
    that dwelt in the lone house then
    Stood listening in the quiet of the moonlight
    To that voice from the world of men:
    Stood thronging the faint moonbeams on the dark stair,
    That goes down to the empty hall,
    Harkening in an air stirred and shaken
    By the lonely Traveller’s call.
    And he felt in his heart their strangness,
    Their stillness answering his cry,
    While his horse moved, cropping the dark turf,
    ‘Neath the starred and leafy sky;
    For he suddenly smote the door, even
    Louder, and lifted his head:-
    ‘Tell them I came, and no one answered,
    That I kept my word,’ he said.
    Never the least stir made the listeners,
    Though every word he spake
    Fell echoing through the shadowiness of the still house
    From the one man left awake:
    Ay, they heard his foot on the stirrup,
    And the sound of iron on stone,
    And how the silence surged softly backward,
    When the plunging hoofs were gone.

    annafair
    August 1, 2002 - 09:35 am
    Trevor I understand your feelings and the poem well indeed. I am hoping with Autumn just around the corner my crankiness will disappear along with the hot and humid days that have melted me into a pile of do nothingness.

    Bears hiberate in winter but I think I do the same in the heat of summer. My apologies sound even fake to my ears but I do miss this place.. there is just nothing I have read or had to offer ....

    A couple of days ago I looked through some of my books of poetry and found nothing to inspire me ..now that is SAD...

    Wasnt it Walter de la Mare who wrote a poem about moonlight making silver and something about a dog in a doghouse? I know I have that poem somewhere but my mind is like my house untidy...will try and do better...anna your lax and lazy host..

    Marvelle
    August 1, 2002 - 11:35 am
    by Walter de la Mare

    Slowly, silently, now the moon
    Walks the night in her silver shoon;
    This way, and that, she peers, and sees
    Silver fruit upon silver trees;
    One by one the casements catch
    Her beams beneath the silvery thatch;
    Couched in his kennel, like a log,
    With paws of silver sleeps the dog;
    From their shadowy cote the white breasts peep
    Of doves in a silver-feathered sleep;
    A harvest mouse goes scampering by,
    With silver claws and a silver eye;
    And moveless fish in the water gleam,
    By silver reeds in a silver stream.

    A fine poem Anna, the silver rest before the rosy dawn.

    Marvelle

    annafair
    August 1, 2002 - 02:57 pm
    Oh I love that poem which is why the poets name sparked a memory...Sometimes I almost regret reading new poets ( not so much I wont read them) for there are so many lurking in my memory...bits and pieces of wonderful words that trigger my emotions and make me want to read the poems again...THANK you for finding and posting it for me ..I am printing it out...and thanks again to Trevor for reminding me of a poet I loved...anna still lax and lazy in a too hot Virginia

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    August 1, 2002 - 08:28 pm
    Oh what wonderful and lovely imagery in that poem - thanks Marvelle for finding it - talk about making something so new out of an old saw like silvery moon. Lovely, lovely, loverly.

    Marvelle
    August 3, 2002 - 07:56 pm
    by Lewis Turco (1934 - )

    I am writing you

    from a pit. It is quite dark
    here. I see little.

    I am scratching this note on a stone.
    Where are you? It has been long.

    Thank you for your note.

    I do not know where I am.
    I believe I may

    be with you. It is not dark
    here. The light has blinded me.


    Lewis Turco has published 9 books of poetry. He is also the author of "The New Book of Forms: A Handbook of Poetics" (University Press of New England 1986) which includes the above poem.

    Marvelle

    viogert
    August 5, 2002 - 12:03 pm
    ADLESTROP


    Yes, I remember Adlestrop -
    The name, because one afternoon
    Of heat the express-train drew up there
    Unwontedly. It was late June.


    The steam hissed. Someone cleared his throat.
    No one left and no one came
    On the bare platform. What I saw
    Was Aldlestrop - only the name.


    And willows, willow-herb, and grass,
    And meadowsweet, and haycocks dry,
    Not whit less still and lonely fair
    Than the high cloudlets in the sky.


    And for that minute a blackbird sang
    Close by, and round him, mistier,
    Farther and farther, all the birds
    Of Oxfordshire and Gloucestershire.


    Edward Thomas (1878 - 1917)


    The Coast: Norfolk


    As on the highway's quiet edge
    He mows the grass beside the hedge,
    The old man has for company
    The distant, grey, salt-smelling sea,
    A poppied field, a cow and calf,
    The finches on the telegraph.


    Across his faded back a hone,
    He slowly, slowly scythes alone
    In silence of the wind-soft air,
    With ladies' bedstraw everywhere,
    With whitened corn, and tarry poles,
    And far-off gulls like risen souls.


    Frances Cornford (1886 - 1960)

    viogert
    August 6, 2002 - 01:48 am
    DEATH OF A SON


    (Who died in a mental hospital aged one)





    Something has ceased to come along with me,
    Something like a person: something very like one.
    And there was no nobility in it
    Or anything like that.


    Something was there like a one year
    Old house, dumb as a stone. While near buildings
    Sang like birds and laughed
    Understanding the pact


    They were to have with silence. But he
    Neither sang nor laughed. He did not bless silence
    Like bread, with words.
    He did not forsake silence.


    But rather, like a house in mourning
    Kept the eye turned to watch the silence while
    The other houses like birds
    Sang around him.
    And the breathing silence neither


    Moved nor was still.
    I have seen stones: I have seen brick
    But this house was made up of neither bricks nor stone
    But a house of flesh and blood


    With flesh of stone
    And bricks for blood, A house
    Of stones and blood in breathing silence with the other
    Birds singing crazy on its chimneys.


    But this was silence,
    This was something else, this was
    Something religious in his silence,
    Something shining in his quiet,


    This was different this was altogether something else:
    Though he never spoke, this
    Was something to do with death.
    And then slowly the eye stopped looking


    Inward. The silence rose and became still.
    The look turned to the outer place and stopped
    , With the birds still shrilling around him,
    And as if he could speak


    He turned over on his side with his one year
    Red as a wound
    He turned over as if he could be sorry for this
    And out of his eyes two great tears rolled, like stones, and he died.




    JON SILKIN (1930- )

    annafair
    August 14, 2002 - 06:39 pm
    Somehow you always uncover poems I have never read or at least have not re read for many years. You remind me how poetry can uncover the cruelest of life's hurts and give them room to remember and to grieve.

    Through poets eyes I have not only met people from other places and from different lifestyles but met people whose words touch me. The poet takes me everywhere and describes not just a place or a person but the soul.

    I miss being here and you must think I am certainly a lousy host ..and you would be right. I long for the time to read and discover new poets too. While trying to get my house in order for the arrival tomorrow of my oldest daughter, her husband and two dogs for four days I came across a paper I did for one of my poetry classes where I discribed some of my favorite verse.

    Most of them are memories from my childhood when as an only girl in a family of five brothers I had lots of free time, a room to myself and no one to interrupt my reading. Even going so far as holding a book out side a window so the moonlight would light the pages. It was late and my mother had requested I turn my light OUT...

    Robert L Stevenson, Longfellow, even the Hoosier poet James Whitcomb Riley and Edgar Guest whose poems were printed every day in the St Louis Globe Democrat on the editorial page. It wasnt great poetry but it certainly gave me a look into other places and people. Robert Service who made me want to go to Alaska ..I could see the wild beauty there ...my plans to go were cancelled when my husband became ill. I would still love to go but I think perhaps it is too late to find the place his poems envisioned.

    When summer is over, and fall arrives hopefully with cooler days and rain. I started to say LOTS OF RAIN but decided perhaps I shouldnt tempt the Gods. When visits from my family cease and I resume my poetry classes at the local University ..( I have missed them for over two years) I will have something new to share. In the meantime dont forget to share your poems...your poets and your thoughts. anna

    annafair
    August 14, 2002 - 08:54 pm
    One of my brothers was named Emmett..I knew he was named after an Irish patriot and hero. I also knew Robert Emmett was named in a poem by Yeats and so I have been researching this evening. I never knew the wild geese mentioned referred to the immigrants from Ireland .My ancestors came from Ireland ..in any case this poem I always loved now has more meaning since I understand what the poet was really writing about..anna

     
    . September 1913 

    WHAT need you, being come to sense, But fumble in a greasy till And add the halfpence to the pence And prayer to shivering prayer, until You have dried the marrow from the bone; For men were born to pray and save: Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone, It’s with O’Leary in the grave.
        

    Yet they were of a different kind The names that stilled your childish play, They have gone about the world like wind, But little time had they to pray For whom the hangman’s rope was spun, And what, God help us, could they save: Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone, It’s with O’Leary in the grave.
        

    Was it for this the wild geese spread The grey wing upon every tide; For this that all that blood was shed, For this Edward Fitzgerald died, And Robert Emmet and Wolfe Tone, All that delirium of the brave; Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone, It’s with O’Leary in the grave.
        

    Yet could we turn the years again, And call those exiles as they were, In all their loneliness and pain You’d cry ‘Some woman’s yellow hair Has maddened every mother’s son’: They weighed so lightly what they gave, But let them be, they’re dead and gone, They’re with O’Leary in the grave.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    August 16, 2002 - 05:19 pm
    Oh the Irish - they have such a way with words and thoughts and the pain and anguish - every so often angst but for their loss not the blunder of the German angst.

    Well I have been working hard this summer - and I posted here an early version of what has now become a mostly finished effort - I say mostly because the more I learn the more I seem to tinker - ah so - but here is Trading Mirrors
    Trading Mirrors

    He dozes, in a plastic webbed chair,
    his western hat fallen astray, field-red arms
    furrow his white shirt and blue jeans.
    - Hush - under a live-oak, the air twills his hair.

    Sottish soughs fill dust billows,
    tough trucks rumble, car wheels sweep
    sun-seared rough, past his roadside-keep
    flush in the ripe uprolled heat

    where stretched in solemn rows, boxes
    brim with sun born fruits, retain
    faith to May mists, honeyed winds
    that give rise to bee-murm’ed rain.

    Commuter computer age gleaners
    hid in the heart of their childhood
    Stop Short! Dropping din and long -
    waken to summer’s mellow song.

    Piled nap peaches, stout cucumbers,
    sun burnished purple plums oozing
    incense from scruffy-hide melons,
    tomatoes, yellow and green corn

    bask in the heat of the inclosing sun,
    glisten as a bubble shimmers midday.
    Patient ward of scythe and trowel sway
    echoes of rose hued sweetness, betray

    his warm face soft lifted from slumber,
    leasehold of earthly wisdom
    (born and tended in sun and sod).
    He bears easy the scent of his heirdom.

    While trade daily treads in sun-dust pens
    till cluttered memory-dust sighs,
    gleaming nectar reflections arise
    to mirror the eye, as breeze wisps tie

    like lizard’s rustling -- a moment -
    - a breath -- lifts from this least exchange
    mind-wrinkled frowns, illusions
    of a country hailed family arrange

    where deep red juices overflow
    beneath this verdant treaty-oak.
    Earth and air vault -- gather.
    -- All -- richer and riper than fruit.

    annafair
    August 19, 2002 - 06:25 am
    Barbara what a wonderful poem..it brought to me a sweeping memory of when I was young. Summers were spent with a aunt and uncle who had no children of their own and asked my mother to allow me to travel and visit them. Those dusty narrow roads always offered the farmers a place to show their harvest for sale.

    Both my aunt and uncle were raised on farms and part of the time spent with them was an effort to purchase REAL fruits and vegetables as well as country cured bacon and ham. Each trip was an adventure ..no airconditioned cars, no interstates to keep us away from backroads and our search. Although I remember most of the roads were backroads often graveled and the dust would rise up from the pressure of the tires and fill our lungs and car with its own pungent odor.

    It has been so many years since I remembered them and they have been gone for over 50 years but they were dear me to and without them I would have never have had the opportunity to see our country nor to know both the beauty of it and the hard life farmers lived. Now as an adult of advanced years I see those farmers were brave and heros in thier own way.

    You have no idea how your poem affected me for I have tears in my eyes recalling those long ago times. Your poem touches my heart. I understand as a poet you still may wish to change it but for me it is perfect now.

    I have family here and it has been such an effort to get ready for thier arrival. I think my one phrase has been IT IS SO HOT.. and SO DRY although I wait today to have an estimate from my insurance company on a tree struck by lightning on Friday. The rain poured down and we give thanks for that but it raised the humidity and yesterday the heat index was 110...I feel I have done nothing but complain all summer and feel sorry for myself ...my promises to do better seem to evaporate ..but I still promise and hope others will find time to share here..anna

    annafair
    August 19, 2002 - 06:37 am
    I took the liberty of printing out your poem. My oldest daughter is here and I want to read it to her. She is legally blind and so I must read it for her. They live in the foothills of the Blue Ridge mountains and I take a rural route to get to thier place. Two lanes and it takes me through some of Virginias lush farm land. They are visiting me this year but in past years I have visited them, always driving SLOW so I could absorb the beauty, the huge rolls of hay like muffins toasting in the August sun...She will appreciate your poem as she is a poet too. AND I want to re read it to myself and remember.

    We lived in Texas when she was a baby and while your poem spoke to me of time before it also reminded me of those years when my husband and I lived there, a time when we were young and the future was before us...anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    August 19, 2002 - 02:58 pm
    Anna bless you - this got so beat up the other night at a poetry read and now I see the difference - they were all young - the oldest in their 40s - and where I do not think it is the job of a poem to teach feelings if you have no personal experience to hang your hat on the poems images you never get in touch with your feelings.

    More of the young do not live near those who plant vegtable gardens, nor do they prize the freshest produce, drive a dusty road, preserve the bounty of the season and do not even have a flower garden much less grow tomatoes. I think they only know an apple if it is shrunk wrapped and the idea of a trade being an opportunity to share our lives is not the attitude of someone trying to get the best from those they beleive are taking advantage of their pocketbooks.

    OK when you print it off you may want to make just a few changes in punctuation - the way I have it now arrange is dangling going no where - I changed it from arranged to match exchange and the only way it make sense is to connect it to the last line of the poem by changing the punctuation to look like --
    of a country hailed family arrange

    where deep red juices overflow
    beneath this verdant treaty-oak,
    earth and air vault -- gather --
    -- all -- richer and riper than fruit.



    Thanks for the Kaddos it did my heart 'gooood' as we say in these parts.

    Marvelle
    August 19, 2002 - 07:04 pm
    Barbara, I loved your poem. Seeing the editorial process was fun too -- how you first wrote the poem and how you rewrote it, and (judging from post 827) are still rewriting. Don't you think that with the first version of a poem, you just write freely. Its only later that you can look at the poem and say "oh, that's what it means" and "ah, that's the direction it wants to travel"?

    Marvelle

    P.S. Have you done any more with the book, "Reader's Guide to Dylan Thomas"?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    August 20, 2002 - 12:45 pm
    Marvelle - I haven't - my sister and I have this idea that we are so busy working on long distance - she also writes - her stuff is more modern in form and tone - we are planning a book that will be for family and friends that will included about a dozen each of our poems and at least one using the same theme with our idividual handling of the theme.

    We want to include a few rag linen pages with found stuff that illustrates the poem we adhere to the page and we are both busy collecting feathers so that a page can be illustrated with a real feather. A lot of work for about 2 dozen copies of this book that we also want to include some photography and a bit piece of my sister's weaving - quite an art project - she lives in North Carolina, and a part-time house in New York as well and I live in Austin and so we have long distnce to contend with as well.

    And so we have been busy this summer because neither of us are writers that just write based on some theme recommended - we both come out of some experience that opens our eyes and hearts.

    And so no I have not been dwelling in the depths of other poet's craft but trying to work on my own. Although dwelling in another poet's work can sometimes be more of a lesson than all the workshops around.

    Been listening on tape to a great collection of western poetry while I drive - I've been blown away by some that we consider so hack like 'My Love is like a Red Red Rose.'

    Emotions are so hard to write about and I've recently had a tip to study love poems which are about emotions and see how the subject is handled - that can be a guide about how to handle the writing of other emotions.

    3kings
    August 21, 2002 - 01:46 am
    SOMETIMES

    Sometimes things don’t go, after all,
    from bad to worse. Some years, muscadel
    faces down frost; green thrives; the crops don’t fail,
    sometimes a man aims high, and all goes well.

    A people sometimes will step back from war;
    elect an honest man; decide they care
    enough, that they can’t leave some stranger poor.
    Some men become what they were born for.

    Sometimes our best efforts do not go
    amiss; sometimes we do as we meant to.
    The sun will sometimes melt a field of sorrow
    that seemed hard frozen; may it happen for you.

    SHEENAGH PUGH.

    viogert
    August 21, 2002 - 04:39 am
    3kings - what an absolutely super poem - I'd never heard of the poet, so looked in Amazon - not there, so looked in Google & found she has a website - with poems!.
    http://www.geocities.com/sheenaghpugh/lie.html

    I am really grateful to have been introduced to her, many thanks.
    Here's a little one:


    The Sun
    will sometimes melt a field of sorrow that seemed hard frozen;
    may it happen for you
    sometimes.

    annafair
    August 21, 2002 - 05:22 am
    3Kings I agree that is a wonderful poem and Viogert the link to her website is now one of my bookmarks.....both poems add a dimension to thought ....does thinking make it so? Sometimes things are perfect and not all bad ...both 3Kings and Viogert I am grateful for the poems...and the concept ...that positive thinking works...not that I am surprised to find it so but that the poet says it so well!!! MAY IT HAPPEN TO YOU ...SOMETIMES .........anna

    annafair
    August 21, 2002 - 05:35 am
    Barbara my daughter loved the poem...she is just 50 and has lived for the past ten years on two acres in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains here in Virginia ..she has no focus vision but she is able to see on the edges of sight. She doesnt have a vegetable garden but does have cherry trees and blackberries. The surrounding area produces a great deal of fresh produce and she understands the beauty of it.

    Yesterday we had a hamburger purchased at one of our national hamburger emporiums.. no need to mention which one. I was weary of cooking and once in awhile I allow them to cook for me. The hamburger came with tomatoes..insipid pink in color and flavorless.. She had brought with her some REAL TOMATOES....and we sliced two into large round ruby jewels. What a difference ..and how sad so many are growing up and old and never to know what real produce tastes and looks like...I would hope your poem would make them curious. A few years ago I wrote a short poem about real tomatoes ..I will look it up and share ...anna

    annafair
    August 21, 2002 - 07:41 am
     
    Dining Divine 

    restaurants in France offer cuisine sublime choice tidbits, fines herbes embellish the mundane make them fine
     

    today on my deck in regal splendor I dine fresh home baked bread sweet cream butter tomatoes sunripe from the vine
     

    anna alexander 7/28/97 all rights reserved .

    jane
    August 25, 2002 - 08:27 am
    The registration desk is now open for our October 1 course in the Tools for Readers course: Exploring Narrative Poetry.

    Come on down, sign up, and join in this class:

    "---REGISTER HERE for Tools for Readers Course: Exploring Narrative Poetry~ begins 10/1" Click HERE

    annafair
    August 25, 2002 - 09:17 pm
    Sorry I am taking my floppies and burning them to CD's for my family. When I was sort of checking some of the titles I came across this one..It seems 98 was also a hot prolonged summer and if ever a poem seemed right to revisit this one was it...anna

     
    autumn lost  

    autumn where are you ? what has kept you long in coming ? where are the cool days and cooler nights ? why has summer stayed when it is you for which we prayed? where are the wood smells on still air, the curlicues of smoke rising from the chimney on the roof? where are the ancient gold of leaves, flamboyantly tossed upon the ground. a pirate's treasure not hidden, wanting to be found. where are the crickets on the hearth rubbing their legs together in gleeful delight? where are the flames, flickering shadows into the dark of night? oh, autumn do not hesitate. chase summer, that heated lady, her torrid dance has been prolonged. we are ready for your cool breath, for mist upon the hill, the call of geese, a feather compass pointed south. for acorns drumming on grass, for apples crisp and tart, cool comfort for over heated hearts. we welcome you, do not hide. if you wait, winter will arrive before we have enjoyed your song. oh, autumn with your poignant dance come soon ,dont delay too long.

    anna alexander ©9/10/98 all rights reserved

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    August 25, 2002 - 10:02 pm
    Fab Anna in light of our hottest summer day today - we only now hit 100 where we are usually in triple didgets by June and sometimes the end of May - there are a few years on record where it was July and only one other August as the first day to hit 100 and that was in 1938!

    Isn't it fun having a clear-out - you find all sorts of dreams and projects that sort of renew the juices.

    Anna I especially like these lines --
    a feather compass pointed south.
    for acorns drumming on grass,
    for apples crisp and tart,

    Anna are you doing the poetry class? It isn't B&N again is it - I hope it is you.
    Well I may be too early sharing again but I've been working on this one and until I get some feedback I really do not know where it needs any tweeking or rewriting. I'm calling it 'Eternity Revealed on Aransas' I love the off balance of Eternity revealed in this little known location, Aransas, the capitol of Food Stamp receivers, sand-surf and blistering hot sun with cotton fields up the road and summer lodging on the vacant stretches of beach next to Padre rather than, Eternity being revealed on some more exotic location say off some cliff over-looking the Pacific Northwest or Bora Bara or the Cliffs of Bundoran or the Aegean or even one of the Capes in the Southern Oceans but...Aransas!?! Ok till the rewrite -
    Eternity Revealed on Aransas

    I came to watch nothing, holding my knees in a strong summer-night breeze,
    my deepest quiet opened this seawall-view to the universe. Before me,
    - wonder - a vast star-patterned bowl marked by no dividing horizon.

    I climb into the sounds of headwinds blowing all that shifts, yet
    wait on my trolling thoughts. My heart fails to terrify in this moving
    silence as I compare a sweet day marked by a defining horizon.

    My star-born children and theirs, we share the crash of waves
    build our castles with circular moats, swim in the sea,
    watch shore-birds skim, pelicans dive and ships cross the horizon.

    Gathered in this huge consoling view my single breath is running
    with the tide. One by two like shore birds feed, my loves linger and fade
    into the voice of the night as in solitude I ponder the hidden horizon.

    All of one this immensity, edged in a foam-white-band, limits this shipwreck
    strand from its boundless star flowed silence. In awe I descry, off-shore lights
    channel a path high into the bacchanal star-bowl above the capricious horizon.

    “Grandma don’t jump, dive through the waves,” my wise-child gifted a message.
    When my drum beats narrow, I know now, fearlessly dive through the tumultuous
    edge and follow tower-lights into the ultimate space that shelters an endless horizon.

    A moment eternal - eternity - my past and present, like surf and tide rise and fall into
    a moment, a breath, skim the ever-present night, (shrouded each day by light),
    here and now, infinite space and relative time is measured horizontally.

    annafair
    August 26, 2002 - 01:00 pm
    Now for yours ..oh do I understand it well. I was a city girl and even though I often visited relatives in the country and saw the stars streetlight obscured, when we lived in Texas a whole new world opened to me.

    We lived in Castorville outside of San Antonio and before we reached Hondo where my husband had his basic flying. It was a VERY small community and the first night I stood outdoors and looked up at the sky it was like looking into eternity. Even as I close my eyes I see it again. I have never felt so insignificant or so moved. There were billions and billions of stars ..and the Milky Way deserved its name. In the city you were lucky to see the Big and Little Dippers and the North star. BUT THERE IN TEXAS ( I just realized I need to go back just to see that sky again) the sky was so full of stars and planets and you felt like you were looking right into Heaven. And the Milky Way was a highway to eternity . And room for all ...anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    August 29, 2002 - 12:47 pm
    Casterville - oh what a lovely area - did you ever get over to Leakey Anna - near the Lost Maples area - so hilly it is almost like parts of Colorado - There is a big apple industry only about 5 years old in that area now with the center in Medina. I hadn't realized the stars are easier to see here than other places. I know the sky is not quite as intense in Austin but it is a big sky full of stars most nights and the moon is spectacular as it raises over the edge and I can see it so well from this edge of a Mesa that I live on.

    This was so great for me to see the poem in print - I could more easily see the problems with incomplete sentences etc. that I could not see on my word document - well I cleaned it up and read it last night at a poetry read where there were three published authors present and they all with smiles gave me a nod and that was a good one - that was a great feeling of support that allows me to believe I'm on the right track. Would love to take a real class but my work makes it hard to keep a 4 month university class going - one of these days I'll find a week long intensive workshop near enough and affordable enough to get into the next level.

    Meantime here is the cleaned up poem.

    PS before I print it out - interesting Anna I was rereading the Where is Autumn and thinking on it as where is the Autumn of my life? Not sure I want to get into the Autumn of my life but in some ways I think I would like to hear crickets, watch leaves and enjoy the scent of apple crisp.

    Eternity Revealed on Aransas
    I came to watch the night, holding my knees in a strong summer breeze
    my deepest quiet opened this seawall-view to the universe. Before me,
    - wonder - a vast star-patterned bowl marked by no dividing horizon.

    I climb into the headwinds blowing all that shifts, yet wait
    on my trolling thoughts. My heart fails to terrify in this moving
    silence as I compare a sweet day marked by a defining horizon.

    My star-born children and theirs, we share the crash of waves
    build our castles with circular moats, swim in the sea,
    watch shore-birds skim, pelicans dive and ships cross the marked horizon.

    Gathered in this huge consoling view my single breath is running
    with the tide. One by two like shore birds feed, my loves linger and fade
    into the voice of the night as in solitude I ponder the hidden horizon.

    All of one, this immensity edged by a foam-white-band rims our shipwreck
    strand from its boundless star flowed silence. In awe I descry, off-shore lights
    channel a path high into the bacchanal star-bowl above the capricious horizon.

    "Grandma don’t jump, dive through the waves," my wise-child gifted a message.
    I know now, when my drum beats narrow, fearlessly dive through the tumultuous
    edge and follow tower-lights into the ultimate space that shelters an endless horizon.

    A moment eternal - eternity - my past and present, like surf and tide rise and fall into
    a moment, a breath, skim the ever-present night, (shrouded each day by light),
    here and now, infinite space and relative time is measured horizontally.

    annafair
    September 3, 2002 - 07:24 pm
    I can see why the poets nodded thier approval although I found it excellent before.

    We seem to be the only posters and here it is Sep 3rd and it was in August I posted ....

    Our terrible dry, humid hot spell ended with days of rain and thunderstorms..I lost a tree when it was struck by lightning and they come tomorrow to remove it ..thank goodness it was not an emergency.

    The weeds have simply taken over my garden but at least we had enough rain to save some of my old plants. The poor hydrangeas who in years past gave me blossoms until the first freeze I thought I lost but with all the rain they are putting forth new shoots when they should be getting ready for the coming winter.

    We have mandatory water rationing ..no watering of lawns but gardens and shrubs can be watered. NO using water from you own well either..We have had a lot of rain 5+ inches here but this has been a 3 year drought so we need to conserve ...my poetry class begins on the 7th and I hope I will have something to share...Have a great day wherever you are ..anna

    Marvelle
    September 3, 2002 - 09:00 pm
    I read the posts ANNA and BARBARA but find I'm in that mood of "Life happens whether you want it to or not." So it's a lovely treat for me to open up the poetry folder and read your posts. I'll get my act together and participate in a few days I promise.

    So happy to read the poems and comments and to know that ANNA is going back to school. Got those pencils sharpened, ANNA?

    Marvelle

    annafair
    September 4, 2002 - 03:30 am
    Ah my dog alerted me at 3 am she needed to go out...while waiting for her I noticed something on the window screen..when I looked carefully this is what I saw....
     
    A Moth at Night 
     

    pinned against the screen a luminescent moth caught in the beam of the fraudulent day from my mercury vapor light its silvered wings at rest etched and bisected by the minuscule grid of the screens aluminum frame with morning will it have taken flight? or is this its last night this ignominious grave shall I weep to see it there when dawn awakes the day or be glad someone noted its passing and grateful it was I?
     
    anna alexander  
    9/4/02©

    Malryn (Mal)
    September 5, 2002 - 12:44 pm
    The September-October-November issue of the m.e.stubbs poetry journal is on the web. Poets in this issue are James. E. Fowler, John T. Baker, Dante Cinelli, R. J. McCusker, Greg Braquet, Dustin Brookshire, Elisha Porat, Anna Alexander, Faith Pyle, Ellery L. Campbell, Sandy Barry and Ward Kelley. Be sure to read Anna's Dining Divine. There are fine works in this issue.

    Marilyn Freeman, Publisher of
    m.e.stubbs poetry journal
    http://www.sonatapub.com/stubbs.htm

    annafair
    September 6, 2002 - 10:19 pm
    Was just watching CNN and there was a headline that said ... A study showed reading and reciting poetry was good for you...slowed the heart beat and reduced stress! Now I have always known that because when I was under a lot of stress I would turn to one of books of poetry and read the verses of a poem out loud. It does say reciting rymthmic poetry is what does it and there is an assumption it can help prevent heart disease...

    SO I hope this encourages everyone to start READING POETRY OUTLOUD and perhaps it is the poetry of our youth we need to be reciting...

    Let me see On the shores of Gitchee Gumee by the shining big sea waters stands the wigwam of Nokomis daughter of the wind Nokomis ...That I am sure you can see if just off the top of my head and I am sure incorrect but I know there was a time when I could recite HIawathia and did so often along with other narrative poems ..Of course I was alone but I also remember for some reason I found the recitations soothing and comforting ..now that I have read that headline I am going to give myself a gift tomorrow ..since it is after 1am Saturday here I will spend at least 30 minutes reading some of my favorite poems from my youth...if nothing else it will make me feel younger!

    READ POETRY FOR YOUR HEALTH>>>anna

    Marvelle
    September 7, 2002 - 07:01 am
    One must have a mind of winter
    To regard the frost and the boughs
    Of the pine-trees crusted with snow;

    And have been cold a long time
    To behold the junipers shagged with ice,
    The spruces rough in the distant glitter

    Of the January sun; and not to think
    Of any misery in the sound of the wind,
    In the sound of a few leaves,

    Which is the sound of the land
    Full of the same wind
    That is blowing in the same bare place

    For the listener, who listens in the snow,
    And, nothing himself, beholds
    Nothing that is not there and the nothing that is.

    .
    From Collected Poems of Wallace Stevens by Wallace Stevens. Copyright © 1954 by Wallace Stevens. Publisher Alfred A. Knopf, Inc.

    .
    "The Snow Man" is one of my favorite Stevens' poems and a nice reminder in this 90 degree heat that winter will come soon enough.

    Poems with a beat to them are more easily memorable and recitable like Longfellow's "Hiawatha." This heart beat poets can feel as they walk. Wallace Stevens worked for an insurance agency. He walked to work however and as he walked he was Wallace Stevens, poet.

    Marvelle

    annafair
    September 9, 2002 - 06:01 am
    Thanks so much for sharing the poem about the snow man. Years ago we lived in Tennessee on a acre of land. It was a small developement and everyone had an acre too. It was out side the city and we were in the midst of forty acres of forest.

    For some reason the years we lived there saw abnormal snow fall. Each winter were were averaging nearly 40-50 inches . We bought a huge sled and would pull the children through the snow. It was very safe as everything closed down when snow would hit..as they were not equipped for removal ...if it happened at night we would go out and walk in it. Your poem is a reminder of that special time in my life.

    anna

    annafair
    September 9, 2002 - 06:30 am
    I have read several poems written about that day ...but have none that really speaks to me about the horror and sadness and the heros.

    It is the birthday of my oldest and she refuses to celebrate on the 11. In fact she is having trouble dealing with the upcoming day. I know for myself I was never able to write about the day or the events and it stilled my creative urges for a long time. NOTHING seemed important in the light of that event.

    Still I didnt want to ignore it and if anyone has a poem or word they would like to share please feel free to do so. anna

    Marvelle
    September 10, 2002 - 12:17 pm
    This isn't about 9-11, rather its how poets create from chaos:

    "A poem begins as a lump in the throat, a sense of wrong, a homesickness, a love-sickness. It finds the thought, and the thought finds the words."

    -- a Robert Frost quote


    Marvelle

    annafair
    September 12, 2002 - 06:57 pm
    The first day of my new class was Tues. It was wonderful to see so many familiar faces and also to see so many new ones. The professor asked us to introduce ourselves and tell what poetry meant to us. This year we will work more on our own poetry ..learning to critique our writings and to share with the others in the class.

    She gave us a list of suggestions. Reminding us that critiquing is not criticism but encouragement to look at our writings with a new eye. She also reassured us we all wrote with our OWN voice and no one needed to change a letter if they felt it would not improve what they have written.

    I will share what happens in class and the professor asked me to give out a fact sheet about this discussion so those who use computers might want to join us. I am hoping some will do just that.

    Cooler weather has arrived and welcome ...have a great day wherever you are..anna

    viogert
    September 17, 2002 - 08:44 am
    Painter and Poet

    Watch the painter, children.

    The painter is painting himself.

    Palette enfisted, aloft; brush brandished.

    There are men watching the painter painting,

    Children, The spectacled one with the beard

    Is saying Magnificent! A touch of sfumato there!

    O, a very good investment, gentlemen. You can’t go wrong,

    Financially speaking, when the artist has used

    So much technique. There! Did you see how he stippled?

    My advice is, certainly purchase. Always a market

    For work of this kind. The painter listens, children,

    And smiles a banker’s smile. He does

    A spot more impasting.

    Now, children, the poet. He is less exciting.

    All he brandishes is a ball-point,

    Which he plays with on unastonishing paper.

    See him unload his disorganised wordhoard,

    Children, as he sits alone. No one comes

    To admire, or commission. Having only

    Himself to please, he tinkers at pleasing himself.

    Watch silently now as that metaphor

    Fans slowly out, like a fin from the sea.

    Did you notice him then, secret and shy as an otter,

    Transferring an epithet? See that artless adverb

    Mutate into a pun! And now – O children,

    Keep very quiet – he is inserting a verb!

    A cryptic cipher, for friends’ eyes only, he splices

    Into his work, not guessing that what he writes

    Will turn into a text, a set text,

    Children; nor that you will think

    He committed it deliberately to hurt you.

    Invest in the painter, children; as for the poet,

    Bad luck is catching. I should steer clear.

    U.A.Fanthorpe

    Marvelle
    September 17, 2002 - 10:02 am
    I am not a painter, I am a poet.
    Why? I think I would rather be
    a painter, but I am not. Well,

    for instance, Mike Goldberg
    is starting a painting. I drop in.
    "Sit down and have a drink" he
    says. I drink; we drink. I look
    up. "You have SARDINES in it."
    "Yes, it needed something there."

    "Oh." I go and the days go by
    and I drop in again. The painting
    is going on, and I go, and the days
    go by. I drop in. The painting is
    finished. "Where's SARDINES?"
    All that's left is just
    letters, "It was too much," Mike says.

    But me? One day I am thinking of
    a color: orange. I write a line
    about orange. Pretty soon it is a
    whole page of words, not lines.
    Then another page. There should be
    so much more, not of orange, of
    words, of how terrible orange is
    and life. Days go by. It is even in
    prose, I am a real poet. My poem
    is finished and I haven't mentioned
    orange yet. It's twelve poems, I call
    it ORANCES. And one day in a gallery
    I see Mike's painting, called SARDINES.

    .
    VIOGERT, that poem was hilarious and so true and a nice present for ANNA. I've added a poem by O'Hara that also makes me laugh. ANNA, please keep us updated on your Tuesday class. You're already into your second week!

    Marvelle

    I corrected the line spacing of the poem which it needed after the cut-and-paste I tried.

    annafair
    September 18, 2002 - 07:22 am
    Yes yes I loved the poems and can always use a good laugh...and thanks for posting ..I have two nieces, husbands and one 1 small toddler for a week...it took myself, three days from my youngest daughter, a day and half from a dear friend, three evenings from my youngest son and a day with my DIL..to get ready for my guests and we have been busy busy busy..

    I did take my class yesterday and shared the Robert Frost quote Marvelle...and have promised next week to give them a flyer with this address and hope some at least will come and share their works.

    I shared my poem about The View from a Hospital Bed that I have posted earlier here. The assignemt for next week is to do a poem,preferably a narrative about sounds...since I live in an absence of sounds I am thinking of doing something about silence, but who knows, we are off to a petting zoo and living museum today ...I will say at night I am tired enough to sleep!!!!

    I just re read the poems and thanks again...I am sitting here chuckling to myself ..lest my guests think I am really TOO WEIRD >>.love to all anna

    Marvelle
    September 19, 2002 - 05:29 pm
    Dear TOO WEIRD and fellow posters, I recall the following quote whenever I feel guilty about not doing all I set out to do in life.

    "When I think of all the books I have read, and of the wise words I have heard spoken, and of the anxiety I have given to parents and grandparents, and of the hopes that I have had, all life weighed in the scales of my own life seems to me preparation for something that never happens."

    - W. B. Yeats

    Whenever I think of this statement I take comfort knowing that one of The Greats had personal doubts about his life and what he accomplished.

    Marvelle

    annafair
    September 22, 2002 - 08:23 pm
    If you find someone posting under JoJoCalabash that is my friend and fellow poet from NC..Please direct her here ...she says she is LOST which doesnt surprise me...but you will enjoy her wit and her talent so we need to get her here...My family has left and I am recuperating....recuperating...recuperating...I HOPE>>.anna

    annafair
    September 24, 2002 - 06:03 pm
    I gave out a flyer to 10 members of the class who have computers ..with a promise to three I will come and help them find us...I am posting my poem about sounds. There were some really terrific poems from class members and I am hoping they will find us and share them too.

    Our professor was very kind as she used some of my poetry to illustrate how I had used sounds. I hope you will be as kind ...

     
    Sounds 

    Once all sounds were mine to know The distant grinding hum of steel wheels ‘against steel tracks comforted me When I was young. The warning blast From the engineer as it approached A railroad crossing did not disturb my sleep.
     

    A single mosquito in my room Bothered me more, its sound a screech to My sensitive ears. The city sounds of cars And busses rose upward to my space, Hummed and thrummed a lullaby to Let me know they were there.
     

    Rain on the tin roof of a log cabin in Yellowstone Was a symphony of sound. Drum rolls, Sweet flutes, the clash of cymbals as The rain increased in tempo. Lastly the soft Patter as it slowed its flow and stopped.
     

    Asleep in the loft of my Aunt Nora's home, Midnight became minutes long as the peal Of a dozen clocks made their presence known. The ones in my room would awake me with A rasping noise before the first deep chime Marked the hour. Slumber interrupted I would wait Until all the clocks signaled the time, Each a different tone. I could tell Its location in the living and dining rooms. Finally the deep throaty bong from the clock In my Aunt's bedroom and night would move on.
     

    When did they disappear? Not in one sudden move, But slowly, slowly, slowly and one day they were gone. Standing at the water's edge in the sharp coolness Of an autumn morn I watched with my friend some ducks On the far side of a pond. They dipped Their colored heads, searching for breakfast in calm waters Her sentence still echos in the recesses of my mind. "Listen to those silly ducks squawking to themselves" Astonished I asked if what she said was true, For me there was no sound and it was then I first knew.
     

    Initially little sounds I missed , the steady beat of my watch When newly wound. The telephone's strident call, The teakettle's whistle , the timer on my stove, The doorbell no longer heralded a visitor. To my ears it Remained silent as guests waited without. Sounds a hearing person uses to define a day Now lost to me and my mantra became "What was that you say?"
     

    Overwhelmed by people in a room, their mouths voiceless move. I am captive by these mimes whose actions do not carry The message they would convey. I rejoice that once I could hear and feel the burden of those Who have never heard. Still the greatest pain is not to know The soft sweet voices of my grandchildren when they say I love you Nana.
         

    Hearing aids, unlike glasses do not restore what you have lost Tried and discarded, they did not work for me. Ready to declare the lie, SILENCE IS GOLDEN. No, no it is brass. Don't let anyone tell you that is true For sound is precious, even heard by babies in the womb. I fear most as each sound retreats and disappears I will be bound too soon by the silence of a living tomb.

    anna alexander September 23, 2002©

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    September 24, 2002 - 09:01 pm
    Oh Anna - how poignanÝ – and beautifully constructed - you led us in unaware but your truth is shared in beauty.

    annafair
    September 29, 2002 - 03:05 pm
    I dont mean to bewail my loss. I try to understand those who have never heard for I cant imagine so terrible a loss. Sometimes we are all overwhelmed by events. None we cause and none we can do anything about but go on. When that happens I do what I always do, find a comfy spot and read poetry. Today I was reading from Americans' Favorite Poems edited by Robert Pindkly and Maggie Dietz and came across a favorite poem. What made me stop though was the quote. I include all here.

     
    Sonnet 29 

    When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes, I all alone beweep my outcast state, And trouble deep heaven with my bootless cries, And look upon myself and curse my fate, Wishing me like to no one more rich in hope, Featured like him, like him with friends possessed, Desiring this man's art and that man's scope, With what I most enjoy contented least: Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising, Haply I think on thee–and then my state, Like to a lark at break of day arising From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate: For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings That then I scorn to change my state with kings.
     
    With this poem was a quote from Daniel McCall, 80, 
     Retired teacher , Boston Ma  
    "I first read this poem in junior high school English class. 
     As one recently out of an orphanage, I felt the desperateness  
    of the statement, "I all alone beweep my outcast state." 
    When I came to the metaphor of the lark, my voice quivered  
    with exultation at the recovery of the grace of fortune. 
     The love element then meant less to me than  
    the reversal of fortune, but later I would recite  
    this sonnet in that sense. In boot camp during WWII.  
    I walked on guard duty from midnight to 4:00 A.M. 
    on a freezing winter night, and to distract  
    myself from the cold, went over all the poems I knew.  
    Shakespeare's lark reminded me of Shelley's  
    "To a Sky-Lark" and then I went on to  
    Poe's "The Raven," and when I ran out of birds, 
    I turned to Edna Millay. The time passed,  
    the chilling wind not diminished but 
    less noticeable. POETRY HELPED.   
    The bold type at the last is my  
    way of agreeing. Poetry helps..anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 1, 2002 - 05:32 pm
    Had Halloween on my mind this week --
    Amid the windy night-air streets
    children prance in theater clothes
    warn to scare yet, merry speaks
    thanks for neighbors candy treats.



    Half their heart lay shadow deep,
    wanting ghosts with head and spear
    to fell them fast with knots of fear
    while left alone, as friends stray near.

    Shadows chatter dead tossed leaves,
    a toddler in costume runs
    from roar and cry that grips, the eaves -
    of a darkened house - each youth, believes...

    Tis the night when whose to say
    what graven yard will gush and sprout
    sights of fright that - no one doubt,
    could make one, a horrid murder shout.

    All the friends and front porch lights
    cannot turn the threshold key
    that fits the plunging wildered flights
    of children gazing, in Cagliostro’s sights.

    Images of snake-wreath'd witches railing
    howling black robed, evermore wailing,
    write their oracles in human blood,
    hound monstrous, the children’s tremble quailing.

    This cursed night when eternity groans
    is remembered by companion moans
    when tales are told about damned souls and bones
    by parents and children tormenting unknowns.

    annafair
    October 1, 2002 - 11:20 pm
    Barbara I wonder if children today are as spooked by Halloween as much as I was as a child. But you captured it well.

    By the way I am going to the Book Festival in DC and will be away from the 8th to the 13th so I will not be posting. I hope to find a lot of posts and sharing while I am gone.

    I am so excited by the idea of being there for this event. And will give you a report when I return. anna

    annafair
    October 6, 2002 - 09:35 am
    There is a study course in books and literature about narrative poetry. A number have been mentioned. The Highwayman, The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere, Hiawatha, the works of Robert Service, The Wreck of the Hesperus etc.

    I thought maybe some of you would like to post your favorite narrative poem. Some even mentioned The Face on the Barroom Floor. And I recall one called Sleeping at the Foot of the Bed.

    If you think they are too long to post perhaps you could give us a link. Looking forward to next week in DC.......anna

    viogert
    October 9, 2002 - 01:16 am
    The Babysitter

    Once upon a time, nearly fifty years ago,
    when people sent a letter they wrote
    Postman, Don't Be Slow,
    Be like Elvis, Go Man Go, on the envelopes
    and a sparky little girl called Bobbie B. May
    prayed for a miracle day after day. This was it:
    Please send Elvis to babysit.


    Elvis looked like a prince. He played the guitar,
    He had a happy white smile. He had blue-black hair.
    He sang rock'n'roll. He sang the blues.
    He didn't want anyone to step on his blue-seude shoes.


    Every Saturday night about six
    the snitch on the latch on the gate would click.
    Bobbie B.May would run downstairs,
    fling open the front door. . . .
    but the answer to her prayers was sneezy Mrs Blueberry
    (who always wore a hat)
    or gentle Miss Grass
    (who lived alone with ther cat)
    or Grandma and Grampa or bean-pole Uncle Leslie.
    No god!
    Bobbie B.May wanted Elvis Presley.


    Night after nght Bobbie B. would stare
    at the blue suede sky with its far bright star.
    I have one prayer. This is it.
    Please send Elvis to babysit.


    The year rolled on. One Saturday near Christmas
    Bobbie B. was waiting for the babysitter.
    She looked out of the window.
    There in the snow
    was a pink Cadillac!
    With a peak-capped driver!
    And Elvis in the back!
    He wore a white drape jacket and spangley gold jeans.
    He was offering the driver a jelly-bean.


    Bobbie B. ran outside in her two bare feet. Elvis!
    Have you come to babysit?
    Elvis gave a smile, lopsided, shy.
    I guess I have, Miss Bobbie. Can I bring my guitar?
    Shall we go inside?
    Bobbie B.May
    almost
    died!


    Carol Ann Duffy
    from "The Oldest Girl in the World"
    Poems for children

    annafair
    October 13, 2002 - 05:16 pm
    What a wonderful poem to return to. Thank you so much for sharing that one. It is new to me as is the author. Poems for children you say? Ah then I am a child ...

    May I take a few minutes to tell you what a marvelous time I had at the Book Fest in DC. My paper this am said there were 35,000 there and I can believe it ..There were also dogs both guide dogs and just people with their dogs and even a cat or two. There were authors by the dozens cheerfully autographing thier books and posing for pictures with the attendees.

    My book The Savage Beauty the biography of Edna St Vincet Millay by Nancy Milford was graciously authographed by the author. She even posed for a picture between my Ella and myself.

    I have two bags with all sorts of handouts ...and a pin that says Poetry Advocate, wish I had one for each of you ...as you are poetry advocates. I am trying to put a bit of the event into a poem and IF I succeed will share it with you.

    The book fests are open to everyone and if there is ever one in your area please try to go.

    My feet are tired but my soul is inspired ...glad to be home and VERY GLAD I was able to go...anna

    annafair
    October 14, 2002 - 09:51 am
     
    A Rainy Day In DC 	  
    The sun never pierced the slate grey dawn,  
    Or stopped the rain pouring down   
    From laden skies obscured and dim.   
    Streets awash with running streams,  
    Puddles undulate from hurried drops.   
    People bustle by  carrying umbrella   
    Blossoms bobbing up and down.   
    Proud monuments of clear days   
    Now show rain stained surfaces.  
    Defaced by dark wet shapes,   
    Shadowy icicles out of season.  
    Day creeps into night, coming too soon   
    Roads become lustrous black mirrors.  
    Headlights, shining ahead of cars   
    Stretching moving patterns in the night.   
    Dinner on the river, it is dark and unseen,   
    But we know it is there.  
    Our tour continues to misted icons   
    Shedding lights dimmed and drear,  
    Brave passengers embark hoping   
    Rain gear will give respite,  
    As they view our nations tributes  
    To heroes and presidents long gone.  
    Returning to the comfort of dry seats   
    They listen to the windshield wipers   
    Clear the glass and the bus continues.  
    Each is quiet, lost in thought   
    And the monuments sleep on. 
    anna alexander   
    10/13/02©

    roidininki
    October 24, 2002 - 12:20 pm
    Can anyone help me with a short poem containing the word water,or things wet,say tears or river or lake or stream etc.This is for a poetry reading .Thanks

    viogert
    October 25, 2002 - 12:30 am
    Hello - Roidininki!

    Try this lot:


    http://www.k12.hi.us/~shasincl/poems_prop_cycle_weather.html

    roidininki
    October 25, 2002 - 04:10 am
    Viogert,are you telepathic or what.You always have an answer for me, thanks!

    viogert
    October 26, 2002 - 12:15 am
    HARLEM

    What happens to a dream deferred?


    Does it dry up
    like a raisin in the sun?
    Or fester like a sore -
    and then run?
    Does it stink like rotten meat
    Or crust over like a syrupy sweet?


    Maybe it just sags
    like a heavy load.


    Or does it explode?


    Langston Hughes (1902 - 1967)
    From: Selected Poems

    annafair
    October 26, 2002 - 08:14 pm
    Makes you think doesnt it? Have been so busy with company and watching the unfolding of the sniper case I have given little thought to anything else.

    When I am down I find reading poetry soothes my soul and this evening I read several but found this one meant something to me. Thank goodness it was also on the web so I could highlight and copy and now share with you....

    Ralph Waldo Emerson - The Rhodora  

    On being asked, Whence is the flower?

    In May, when sea-winds pierced our solitudes, I found the fresh Rhodora in the woods, Spreading its leafless blooms in a damp nook, To please the desert and the sluggish brook. The purple petals, fallen in the pool, Made the black water with their beauty gay; Here might the red-bird come his plumes to cool, And court the flower that cheapens his array.
     

    Rhodora! if the sages ask thee why This charm is wasted on the earth and sky, Tell them, dear, that if eyes were made for seeing, Then Beauty is its own excuse for being: Why thou wert there, O rival of the rose! I never thought to ask, I never knew: But, in my simple ignorance, suppose The self-same Power that brought me there brought you.
       

    I think I needed to read this tonight ...and hope you feel the same. anna

    annafair
    October 27, 2002 - 08:46 am
    I am not sure why but Autumn has always been my favorite time of the year. Perhaps it was time for children to return to school or the crisp days and cool nights. Without airconditioning I think we were ready for cooler weather. While spring is lovely autumn is full of such vibrant color. So I share John Keats poem to Autumn

     
    SEASON of mists and mellow fruitfulness,   
      Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun;   
    Conspiring with him how to load and bless   
      With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run;   
    To bend with apples the moss’d cottage-trees,          
    And fill all fruit with ripeness to the core;   
        To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells   
    With a sweet kernel; to set budding more,   
      And still more, later flowers for the bees,   
      Until they think warm days will never cease,          
        For Summer has o’er-brimm’d their clammy cells.
       

    Who hath not seen thee oft amid thy store? Sometimes whoever seeks abroad may find Thee sitting careless on a granary floor, Thy hair soft-lifted by the winnowing wind; Or on a half-reap’d furrow sound asleep, Drows’d with the fume of poppies, while thy hook Spares the next swath and all its twined flowers: And sometimes like a gleaner thou dost keep Steady thy laden head across a brook; Or by a cyder-press, with patient look, Thou watchest the last oozings hours by hours.
     

    Where are the songs of Spring? Ay, where are they? Think not of them, thou hast thy music too,— While barred clouds bloom the soft-dying day, And touch the stubble plains with rosy hue; Then in a wailful choir the small gnats mourn Among the river sallows, borne aloft Or sinking as the light wind lives or dies; And full-grown lambs loud bleat from hilly bourn; Hedge-crickets sing; and now with treble soft The red-breast whistles from a garden-croft; And gathering swallows twitter in the skies.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 27, 2002 - 07:07 pm
    Our monthly poetry group had an assignment to write about roaches - I thought I'd share my contribution.
    There’s this elephant walking across my floor
    you know the kind,
    it skitters and hides in the dark
    looking for water and crumbs.

    When sighted my single approach
    is to storm and splat
    winged bodies del cucaroachas
    into two or three inches of gore.

    One look at these creatures, my tongue does a curl,
    my mouth a sour jaundice pinched arc
    as I squish and mash them, e´uwe
    their black legs and wings pressed askew.

    In August they fearlessly whirl
    flying, I’m chased from the room,
    a coward I reach for spray power,
    prothrin and methrine them dead.

    Periplaneta, these giant water bugs,
    six legs majestic on stilts,
    my prejudice look, tempers my tread,
    I cower before the stately walk of this elephant crossing my room.

    They live in the trees say neighbors and friends,
    their forty knees too many to hide.
    Mata al contacto the spray-can approves
    but no, mi cabeza me duele - estoy enfermo a contacto.
    (mee kay-bay-sah may dway-lay - es-toi en-fer-mo ah cohn-tahk-to)

    And so like the elephant afraid of the mouse
    I sit on the sofa and grouse
    as this five inch tree monster strolls a walkway
    to dine on what ever my vacuum no el finde.
    (No el finn-day)



    P.S. up in Plano, just north of Dallas, would you believe there is a museum to the roach.

    annafair
    October 27, 2002 - 08:16 pm
    What a "yucky" subject ROACHES. I believe you have done a great job with a subject I would groan and wail at.

    AND I have to say you have captured nearly everyones (except the roach museum) dislike for that lowly bug.

    When we lived in Texas I awoke from an afternoon nap to what I thought were mice in my kitchen. The kitchen table still held the grocery sacks from our shopping. All things perishable and open had been put away, only canned goods etc remained.

    When I went into the kitchen I saw one of the bags shaking and a noise like a mouse coming from the bag. Much to my amazement it was a roach at least four inches long. I have NEVER seen one that big since. We never saw a mouse, they were most likely afraid of the roaches for I found roaches in the dishes every morning etc and as long as we lived in that apartment ( my husband was taking flight lessons at the base there) I washed every dish, pan and utensil before we used them and put everything I could in glass or plastic containers.

    SO HOLD YOUR SPRAY CAN AT THE READY....anna

    annafair
    October 31, 2002 - 10:48 am
    When I was very young and living in the midwest winter came in November. It was often frigid and icy and once I remember seeing a young man ice skating down the alley behind our home. I was reading some poems this morning because it is that kind of day. Nearly cold and overcast and still sprinkling rain after four days. While I have never been in New England in Winter this poem does remind me of my own winters. Hope I am not too early for you..anna

    New England Winter  
    Testing the soul's mettle, 
    the frost heaves 
    holes in the roads 
    to the heart, 
    the glass forest 
    raises up its branches 
    to praise all things 
    that catch the light 
    then melt. 
    The forest floor is white, 
    but here & there a boulder rises 
    with its glacial arrogance 
    & brooks that bubble 
    under the sheets of ice 
    remind us that the tundra of the soul 
    will soften 
    just a little 
    towards the spring. 

    © Erica Mann Jong

    annafair
    October 31, 2002 - 12:55 pm
    When I was young it was a scary time...and I guess with the world so different from then it still is...but this poem makes me think of the Halloween witches I used to believe in....

     

    The Hag
     

    The Hag is astride, This night for to ride, The devil and she together; Through thick and through thin, Now out, and then in, Though ne'er so foul be the weather.
     

    A thorn or a burr She takes for a spur; With a lash of a bramble she rides now, Through brakes and through briars, O'er ditches and mires, She follows the spirit that guides now.
     

    No beast, for his food, Dares now range the wood, But hush'd in his lair he lies lurking; While mischiefs, by these, On land and on seas, At noon of night are a-working.
     

    The storm will arise, And trouble the skies This night; and, more the wonder, The ghost from the tomb Affrighted shall come, Call'd out by the clap of the thunder
     

    Robert Herrick

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 31, 2002 - 07:33 pm
    hehe I love it - The Hag - I could see in my head illustrations for it in a children's poetry collection. I guess with the practice of embalming (sp) there are not as many ghostly sights in cemetaries any longer.

    Anna I do not remember if I saw your name as part of the current poetry class that Ros is doing - if you are there I am trying to figure out what the difference is among poems that have this beat that rat a tat tats versus poems that seem to me to be more lyrical - I gave some examples in a post - I wonder if you have time - would you look at what i am saying and see if you can help sort me out. I really want to know what is making the difference in the sound of these poems that are examples of the difference I hear.

    annafair
    November 7, 2002 - 03:27 pm
    Several of my uncles fought in WWI and one died in the Veterans Hospital in St Louis from being gassed there. Each Armistice Day and Flag Day we hung the flag from his funeral out front. Large enough to cover a casket, woven from wool it had several moth holes in it ..I think I thought they might be bullet holes, being young and without knowledge. It had been given to my grandmother, who lived with us and was my father's brother. I know this poem from that era is familiar to all but I always feel a need to remind myself that we have paid a dear price for our freedom and those that fought and died for that should be remembered always.

     
    In Flanders Field  
    In Flanders fields the poppies blow  
    Between the crosses, row on row,  
    That mark our place; and in the sky  
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly  
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.
      

    We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields.
      

    Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields.
     

    Col John McCrae M.D.

    annafair
    November 7, 2002 - 03:44 pm
    Dec 11 1941 Dec 7th was just a few days ago and this morning a poem penned by a young pilot was published in the morning paper. For years that yellowed copy stayed in my wallet.

    I actually dont remember when it was publised but it touched my heart and I never forgot the poem or the name of the poet.

    Eventually I married a pilot in the USAF and a copy of that poem still hangs on a wall in our home. When my husband took his final flight along with most of our friends it became part of their funeral service.

     

    High Flight
     

    Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings; Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air. Up, up the long delirious, burning blue, I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace Where never lark, or even eagle flew - And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod The high unsurpassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand and touched the face of God.
     

    Pilot Officer Gillespie Magee No 412 squadron, RCAF Killed 11 December 1941

    annafair
    November 9, 2002 - 02:08 pm
    Even if you are not posting here that you are reading and enjoying poetry. I know I mentioned a study showed reading poetry out loud was healthful. According to the study it helped reduce stress and lower blood pressure.

    This is a very stressful time when we may be on the brink of war. Like me most seniors have lived through too many to believe it will solve anything. Four I can think of and there were any number of "episodes" that could have led to war. Still I remember the Berlin Wall and never thought it would come down in my lifetime.

    Like Pandora the only thing we have left is HOPE...so today I send hope ...this is the only life we have and the only world we have. It is sad that people dont treat it carefully.

    Hope to see some of you here later. God Bless...anna

    MaryPage
    November 9, 2002 - 03:42 pm
    . . . that you are having a gloriously

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ANNAFAIR!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 9, 2002 - 04:11 pm
    Oh my Anna - it is your birthday -
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY ANNA

    Marvelle
    November 9, 2002 - 07:24 pm
    Fair Anna, happy birthday!

    Thanks for your peerless contribution in Poetry with your poems and ideas and kind thoughts. It's always fun to check into Poetry and find a message from you waiting here.

    Marvelle

    annafair
    November 11, 2002 - 08:19 am
    I am so blessed with family, good local friends and then my wonderful on line friends as well. I have been dined and still have several dinners in the offing to help celebrate. My three year old grandson sang Happy Birthday to me over the phone. Now I wish I had a record of that ...

    After a visit from winter we had some summer time days and I was able to plant my pansies to bring me color when it really gets cold. They survive here until late spring regardless of how cold it gets. I put out over 20 ,,,sassy yellow, mixed and deep purple. I did that early on my birthday itself. It was so good to be able to dig in my garden and plant something beautiful.

    I am touched by your thoughtfulness and appreciate it very much. Thanks again....God Bless you ..anna

    MaryPage
    November 11, 2002 - 10:54 am
    ANNA, there were cards posted for you on your birthday over in Conversational Discussions/Dates We Celebrate/Cards & Photos. Go take a look!

    patwest
    November 11, 2002 - 12:06 pm
    Belated Happy Birthday



    We sure had fun at the Bookfest 2002... You must bring a cane next time and we will have no problems.

    annafair
    November 12, 2002 - 01:45 am
    PAT we had a great time discussing canes and your story at lunch today. One of my friends has been encouraged to get a cane to help her with her balance. After I told YOUR STORY we all decided we would get a cane. I was talking with my brother in CAlifornia tonight on line and he has had some foot problems and the doctor recommended a cane for him as well. I told him your story and he said that was an idea he could shake it at the dogs that bother him when he takes a walk. So YOUR CANE STORY is going to become famous...anna

    annafair
    November 12, 2002 - 01:47 am
    I guess I am ignorant ...I dont know where the place is you mentioned. I would like to thank anyone who remembered ...so I guess I need directions...anna

    MaryPage
    November 12, 2002 - 05:51 am
    Click on SeniorNet RoundTable Discussions

    On that menu, click on Conversational Discussions

    On that menu, click on Dates We Celebrate - Cards & Graphics

    Then do a SEARCH and put your name in it and do it for that site only. Then look at everything from that post on for November 9th.

    MaryPage
    November 12, 2002 - 05:52 am
    p.s. Go to VIRGINIA, too. You know your way there!

    patwest
    November 12, 2002 - 06:26 am
    Anna... Your cards start here.

    "Dates We Celebrate~Cards & Graphics" 11/9/02

    annafair
    November 18, 2002 - 10:39 am
    I updated my internet explorer and now everytime I sign on there is a message and they close me down. I have temporarily solved it by parking the message to the far right. I am looking for a poem I wrote about an Ice Storm since the North East has had a terrible one.

    With Thanksgiving just a round the corner I invite everyone to sahre their favorite poem of the season. I understand everyone doesnt celebrate Thanksgiving but would love to read a poem about one of your favorite holidays...Wow this is a pain trying to type with haldf of a page obscured... anna

    annafair
    November 19, 2002 - 05:57 am
    This has been nagging me after I looked out my bedroom window and the trees appeared to be on fire..

    Reincarnation  

    There is a fire outside my window The trees are ablaze Crimson ,saffron, garnet flames Dance for the wind, who Caresses them, Withdraws support Drops them, lets them go To join their friends dying on the ground. They wait for me to sweep them, Gather them for the compost heap. Cremated by sun and rain, In spring they will nourish Their new brothers.

    anna alexander 11/19/02©

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 19, 2002 - 12:37 pm
    great Anna - it reminded me of our sky last night which looked like there was a giant forest fire someplace with this glowing red that is not even the color that best describes the brilliance.

    Our Autumn colors are more subtle - the grasses turn from almost a white to ecru and a burnt red look - like giant swaths of various soft color across a field seperated by maybe an outcropping of rock. Our trees are either Live Oak which are green all year but do look sage green in fall or Ceder which is really a Mexican Juniper, green all year. The mesquite has such narrow leaves and they just fall all of a day it seems. The leaves on the cottonwood turn yellow but brown quickly and the cottonwood is mostly near creeks and rivers. This is the time of year the yelllow coriopsis is rampant and the yucca puts on its show of tall spears of large white blooms along with the salt willow giving off an airy brush of white. The land does a great job setting up the sky as a bright foil for this quiet landscape.

    annafair
    November 21, 2002 - 05:47 pm
    Thank you Barbara for your kind words. Autumn has been really special this year. The woods seem on fire and the colors brilliant. We have had a lot of rain though and the ground everywhere is a patchwork of fallen leaves.

    To all of you who have participated in the past I want to tell you I how much I have missed you here. It is my hope you are busy and not ill or have problems that keep you away.

    I hope you will find the time to come again and share your love of poetry. Wishfully ...anna

    MaryPage
    November 22, 2002 - 07:04 am
    I thought your poem beautiful, ANNA, as all of your poetry is. Much as I love poetry, I lack time for the indulgence of "stopping to smell the roses" these days, as I have recently returned to the work force in an attempt to alleviate the pain inflicted by low interest rates! I drop in on you here, and think about my friend Anna often. Hoping we can get together again one day!

    annafair
    November 23, 2002 - 08:05 am
    How special you are to take the time to say hello. It is my wish to that we can meet again, you are such a delightful person. SOMEONE SAYS AND OF COURSE SOMEONE ALWAYS KNOWS that keeping busy is best for senior citizens. Personally I would enjoy resting on my laurels. Thanks for saying hello...and God Bless...anna

    annafair
    November 23, 2002 - 08:09 am
    To a group of poets that meet here. I chose this one. As the Christmas season approaches I miss my husband most. So this one is for him.

     
    Missing Person 
     

    There is someone missing from my life Someone to wake with me at dawn Watch the sun peek through trees Watch dew turn into diamond drops. Someone to sit across a breakfast table, Inhale the fragrant scent of coffee wafting from a cup. Someone to share the seasons with To welcome the dogwood in spring, Smell the roses along the garden path When the summer sun is high. Someone to walk though autumn's leaves Help me toss them in the air, Just enjoy us being there. Someone to sit before a warming fire When winter freezes with its frigid hand, Turns to brown the once green land. Someone to lay beside me through the night, Watch the stars and pewter moon Arrive and fade as they travel ‘cross the sky. I hope where ever you are, In whatever form or shape You know the missing person in my life is you.

    anna alexander 8/1/02©

    annafair
    November 24, 2002 - 07:44 am
    When I was young the St Louis Globe Democrat published a poem a day ( it seems to me) by Edgar Guest. He writes in a folksy manner about folksy people. So I am sharing this one today.

     
    Thanksgiving                                         by edgar a. guest
     

    Gettin' together to smile an' rejoice, An' eatin' an' laughin' with folks of your choice; An' kissin' the girls an' declarin' that they Are growin' more beautiful day after day; Chattin' an' braggin' a bit with the men, Buildin' the old family circle again; Livin' the wholesome an' old-fashioned cheer, Just for awhile at the end of the year.
      

    Greetings fly fast as we crowd through the door And under the old roof we gather once more Just as we did when the youngsters were small; Mother's a little bit grayer, that's all. Father's a little bit older, but still Ready to romp an' to laugh with a will. Here we are back at the table again Tellin' our stories as women an' men.
     

    Bowed are our heads for a moment in prayer; Oh, but we're grateful an' glad to be there. Home from the east land an' home from the west, Home with the folks that are dearest an' best. Out of the sham of the cities afar We've come for a time to be just what we are. Here we can talk of ourselves an' be frank, Forgettin' position an' station an' rank.
     
                                  Give me the end of the year an' its fun  
                                When most of the plannin' an' toilin' is done;  
                                 Bring all the wanderers home to the nest,  
                                 Let me sit down with the ones I love best,  
                                 Hear the old voices still ringin' with song,  
                                  See the old faces unblemished by wrong,  
                                   See the old table with all of its chairs  
                                An' I'll put soul in my Thanksgivin' prayers.

    annafair
    November 28, 2002 - 07:06 am
    For some reason the following poem ( it is also a song) always reminds me of Thanksgiving. My mother would recite it that day and substituted Thanksgiving for Christmas. It has such jolly lyrics and it seemed to make us all feel cheerful. Hope it does the same for you. I am leaving the words as I copied it but you can substitute Thanksgiving or whatever you may be celebrating. Since the Northeast USA has a lot of snow it seems very appropiate. Have a Happy Day..anna

    Written by Lydia Maria Child, author of American Frugal Housewife, The Family Nurse, and others. 

    1844





    Over the River and Through the Woods, To Grandmother's house we go. The horse knows the way to carry the sleigh Through white and drifted snow.
     

    Over the River and Through the Woods, Oh, how the wind does blow. It stings the toes and bites the nose As over the ground we go.
     

    Over the River and Through the Woods, To have a full day of play. Oh, hear the bells ringing ting-a-ling-ling, For it is Christmas Day.
     

    Over the River and Through the Woods, Trot fast my dapple gray; Spring o'er the ground just like a hound, For this is Christmas Day.
     

    Over the River and Through the Woods, And straight through the barnyard gate. It seems that we go so dreadfully slow; It is so hard to wait.
     

    Over the River and Through the Woods, Now Grandma's cap I spy. Hurrah for fun, the pudding's done; Hurrah for the pumpkin pie.

    MaryPage
    November 28, 2002 - 08:01 am
    That's MY Thanksgiving poem, too, ANNA! Have a lovely day!

    annafair
    November 29, 2002 - 09:14 am
    Why am I not surprised that is YOUR THANKSGIVING poem too? We seem to think alike. I was surprised to find the original was about Christmas since my mother always said Thanksgiving. She would be up early and fragrance of the roasting turkey would awaken us. When we came downstairs she would smile and sort of sing song that poem.

    Hope you all had a day to be thankful for whether you celebrated or not..love, anna

    annafair
    November 29, 2002 - 01:19 pm
    I have decided I would start today to share a month of poems, Some new, some old but all about what this last month of the year means to me. Hopefully it will encourage you to share some of the poems that the ending of one year and the promise of new one means to you.

    I feel like Janus ..a time for looking back and a time for looking ahead. Come join me in this trip. anna

         Thomas Hardy (1840-1928)
     



    Christmas Eve, and twelve of the clock. "Now they are all on their knees," An elder said as we sat in a flock By the embers in hearthside ease.
     

    We pictured the meek mild creatures where They dwelt in their strawy pen, Nor did it occur to one of us there To doubt they were kneeling then.
     

    So fair a fancy few would weave In these years! Yet, I feel, If someone said on Christmas Eve, "Come; see the oxen kneel
     

    "In the lonely barton by yonder coomb Our childhood used to know," I should go with him in the gloom, Hoping it might be so.
     

    ("The Oxen")

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 29, 2002 - 09:27 pm

    When Father Carves The Duck
    E. V. Wright

    We all look on with anxious eyes
    When father carves the duck,
    And mother almost always sighs
    When father carves the duck.
    Then all of us prepare to rise
    And hold our bibs before our eyes
    And be prepared for some surprise
    When father carves the duck.

    He braces up and grabs the fork
    Whene'er he carves the duck,
    And won't allow a soul to talk
    Until he's carved the duck.
    The fork is jabbed into the sides,
    Across the breast the knife he slides,
    While every careful person hides
    From flying chips of duck.

    The platter's always sure to slip
    When father carves the duck,
    And how it makes the dishes skip !
    Potatoes fly amuck !
    The squash and cabbage leap in space,
    We get some gravy on our face,
    And father utters Hindoo grace
    Whene'er he carves a duck.

    We then have learned to walk around
    The dining-room and pluck
    from off the window-sills and walls
    Our share of father's duck,
    While father growls and blows and jaws
    And swears the knife was full of flaws,
    And mother laughs at him because
    He couldn't carve the duck."

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 29, 2002 - 09:31 pm

    THANKSGIVING
    (author Unknown)

    The year has turned its circle,
    The seasons come and go.
    The harvest all is gathered in,
    And chilly north winds blow.
    Orchards have shared their treasures,
    The fields, their yellow grain,
    So open wide the doorway ...
    Thanksgiving comes again!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 29, 2002 - 09:35 pm

    Giving Thanks
    (Author Unknown)

    For the hay and the corn and the wheat that is reaped,
    For the labor well done, and the barns that are heaped,
    For the sun and the dew and the sweet honeycomb,
    For the rose and the song and the harvest brought home --
    Thanksgiving! Thanksgiving!

    For the trade and the skill and the wealth in our land,
    For the cunning and strength of the workingman's hand,
    For the good that our artists and poets have taught,
    For the friendship that hope and affection have brought --
    Thanksgiving! Thanksgiving!

    For the homes that with purest affection are blest,
    For the season of plenty and well-deserved rest,
    For our country extending from sea unto sea;
    The land that is known as the "Land of the Free" --
    Thanksgiving! Thanksgiving!

    annafair
    November 30, 2002 - 12:28 am
    What great Thanksgiving poems thanks so much for posting and sharing them with us...hope you had a wonderful day...anna

    annafair
    November 30, 2002 - 12:41 am
     
    Robert Burns (1759–1796).  Poems and Songs. 

    Song—Thou Gloomy December
     



    ANCE mair I hail thee, thou gloomy December! Ance mair I hail thee wi’ sorrow and care; Sad was the parting thou makes me remember— Parting wi’ Nancy, oh, ne’er to meet mair!
      

    Fond lovers’ parting is sweet, painful pleasure, Hope beaming mild on the soft parting hour; But the dire feeling, O farewell for ever! Anguish unmingled, and agony pure!
      

    Wild as the winter now tearing the forest, Till the last leaf o’ the summer is flown; Such is the tempest has shaken my bosom, Till my last hope and last comfort is gone.
      

    Still as I hail thee, thou gloomy December, Still shall I hail thee wi’ sorrow and care; For sad was the parting thou makes me remember, Parting wi’ Nancy, oh, ne’er to meet mair.

    viogert
    December 1, 2002 - 12:52 am
    Fat


    The doctor says it's better for my spine
    this way - more fat, more estrogen.
    Well, then! There was a time when a wife's
    plump shoulders signified properity.


    These days my fashionable friends
    get by on seaweed milkshakes,
    Pall Malls, and vitamin pills. Their clothes
    hang elegantly on their clavicles.


    As the evening news makes clear
    the starving and the besieged maintain
    the current standard of beauty without effort.


    Whenever two or three gather together
    the talk turns dreamily to sausages,
    purple cabbages, black beans and rice,
    noodles gleaming with cream, yams and plums,
    and chapati fried in ghee.


    Jane Kenyon (1947 - )

    annafair
    December 1, 2002 - 02:38 am
    Good to see you here and what a poem you share. My thin friends their doctors warn are in danger of osteosporosis and the Rubenesque bewail their plump beauty.

    What bothers me is the thoughtless remarks of people who looking at starving people say I wish I could be that thin. Makes me shake my head.

    When my young granddaughters 9 and 8 prefer diet sodas then I know something is really wrong with the way we think. Soda was something I only knew once in a great while as a child. I was never obsessed with food but enjoyed the wonderful meals my mother prepared and never gained more than I should. But then we were so active, walking everywhere, playing active games...Your poet sees with true eyes. anna

    annafair
    December 1, 2002 - 02:43 am
     
    D.H. Lawrence (1885–1930).  New Poems.  1916.  

    Winter in the Boulevard
     

    THE FROST has settled down upon the trees And ruthlessly strangled off the fantasies Of leaves that have gone unnoticed, swept like old Romantic stories now no more to be told.
       

    The trees down the boulevard stand naked in thought, Their abundant summery wordage silenced, caught In the grim undertow; naked the trees confront Implacable winter’s long, cross-questioning brunt.
       

    Has some hand balanced more leaves in the depths of the twigs? Some dim little efforts placed in the threads of the birch?— It is only the sparrows, like dead black leaves on the sprigs, Sitting huddled against the cerulean, one flesh with their perch.
      

    The clear, cold sky coldly bethinks itself. Like vivid thought the air spins bright, and all Trees, birds, and earth, arrested in the after-thought Awaiting the sentence out from the welkin brought.

    annafair
    December 2, 2002 - 08:49 am
    Here in Virginia we are close to the coast and the effects of the Gulf Stream often changes our chance for snow into rain. Still when we do get snow it is usually REAL SNOW, no small dusting for us then but piles of snow that closes stores and makes traveling difficult. We are not prepared so the back streets stay frozen and almost impassable. Only the main thoroughfares are sanded and salted. Two years ago one of those storms came and dropped its load of snow on us. The first verse as you can see shows my joy at seeing snow again and the second how we felt after our initial pleasure. anna

     
    Snow  

    Snow, that debutante in winter dress dances ‘cross my lawn. With fancy arabesques she shows her ruffled gossamer gown.
     

    Wind escorts her willingly pas de deux they advance. Bow to each, they chase and lift and whirl and spin in space.
     

    Their promenade covers my wood piled high with a mantle of loveliness. Exiting stage right they leave behind a landscape of shimmered serenity.
     
    II 

    Snow? that temptress with her flaunting ways, seals my doors so I cannot escape. Sheds icy tears, encapsulates my car, imprisons me with snowy bars.
     

    Vehicles slip and slide into the ditch while people trudge and seek to find. A warm place to melt their icy palms, curse feet they no longer can control.
      

    How can it be this frothy snow contains both a beauty and a beast? Was it me that yearned for snow ? now I plead... Please, Please GO!
     

    anna alexander 2/10/00 all rights reserved

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 2, 2002 - 12:29 pm
    I love this Anna - coming in here and finding a new wonder - this is great!

    Malryn (Mal)
    December 2, 2002 - 02:17 pm
    The December-January-February issue of the m.e.stubbs poetry journal is on the web. SeniorNet poets appearing in these pages are John T. Baker, R. J. (Mac) McCusker, Robert McBain, Faith Pyle, Vivienne Ledlie, Patricia Robinson-King and Anna Alexander, along with several other poets. It's a very fine issue. I hope you'll enjoy the poetry on these pages.

    Marilyn Freeman, Publisher of
    the m.e.stubbs poetry journal
    http://www.sonatapub.com/stubbs.htm

    annafair
    December 6, 2002 - 07:36 am
    Sorry but my computer was down..It is working again more or less ..I am sharing a poem by Robert Frost. This is one I can appreciate. In my yard I have several fruit trees. The plum blossoms early and if we get a cold snap (which we often do) I have no plums for that year. Hope you enjoy it too. anna

     
    Robert Frost (1874-1963). .  1920. 

    Good-by and Keep Cold

    (From Harper's Magazine, July 1920.)
     





    THIS saying good-by on the edge of the dark And cold to an orchard so young in the bark Reminds me of all that can happen to harm An orchard away at the end of the farm All winter, cut off by a hill from the house.
     

    I don't want it girdled by rabbit and mouse, I don't want it dreamily nibbled for browse By deer, and I don't want it budded by grouse. (If certain it wouldn't be idle to call I'd summon grouse, rabbit, and deer to the wall
     

    And warn them away with a stick for a gun.) I don't want it stirred by the heat of the sun. (We made it secure against being, I hope, By setting it out on a northerly slope.) No orchard's the worse for the wintriest storm;
     

    But one thing about it, it mustn't get warm. "How often already you've had to be told, Keep cold, young orchard. Good-by and keep cold. Dread fifty above more than fifty below." I have to be gone for a season or so.
                                                                       
                       My business awhile is with different trees, 
                       Less carefully nourished, less fruitful than these, 
                       And such as is done to their wood with an ax- 
                       Maples and birches and tamaracks. 
                       I wish I could promise to lie in the night
                                                                       
                       And think of an orchard's arboreal plight 
                       When slowly (and nobody comes with a light) 
                       Its heart sinks lower under the sod. 
                       But something has to be left to God.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 6, 2002 - 10:09 am
    Anna I found this wonderful site with Blake's poems that are further explained - the site is knocking my sox off but more I am seeing his simple poems in a whole new light.

    http://www.sandiego.edu/~brunetti/blake/blake.html

    annafair
    December 6, 2002 - 12:46 pm
    Thanks for that site..I am not sure why there are so many poems I remembering reading and not the author. Perhaps because they were so many years ago. When I found the site I also found a familiar poem by to me an UNKNOWN POET..lo and behold 'twas one of Blakes..will share it here..anna

     
     The Tyger 

    Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
     

    In what distant deeps or skies Burnt the fire of thine eyes? On what wings dare he aspire? What the hand, dare sieze the fire?
      

    And what shoulder, & what art, Could twist the sinews of thy heart? And when thy heart began to beat, What dread hand? & what dread feet?
      

    What the hammer? what the chain? In what furnace was thy brain? What the anvil? what dread grasp Dare its deadly terrors clasp?
      

    When the stars threw down their spears, And water'd heaven with their tears, Did he smile his work to see? Did he who made the Lamb make thee?
      

    Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 6, 2002 - 04:30 pm
    I never knew but thought it so interesting that Blake was saying God makes the Tyger just as he makes the Lamb - interesting to contemplate - evidently most of his poetry is about poles of opposites that have further meaning and is left to the reader to contemplate the meaning - amazing stuff!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 11, 2002 - 05:55 pm
    I recently reworked this -Joyous Holiday !
    To God, who giveth joy to my youth

    Long before the lamp time
    echoed, longer since the darkness,
    out of the east a rare wind lifted
    while a hundred nights were eyeless.

    In the wild place fire-curls swirl,
    whirl, draw winter’s dead night away.
    Xenocryst mist, traces tear-wish nests,
    held in crystal hoarfrost array.

    Doves enchant where olive trees grow,
    Turbans Three rim sounds of time,
    trade by stars as moon-clouds shadow
    mountain memoirs murmured rhyme.

    Foot-pads stride, rocking wondrous
    wind-secret whispers, on this long journey
    tracing the source of all yearning,
    the birth of our childhood memory.

    Ad Deum, qui laetificat
    juventutem meam.

    Gloria, Gloria Nicholaus weaves
    winter wishes dreamed and dream --

    of star bright skies - Believe - rose
    old raptures wild unimaginable delights
    burn, yearning amid a vast night-light.
    In Excelsis Gloria,
    Our Baby, wiggles His toes --

    annafair
    December 12, 2002 - 08:09 am
    I have been without my computer and when I was able to erase the troublesome program I lost all of my addresses ..so if I have corresponded with anyone please send me an email so I can update my address book....

    My thanks to you Barbara for your wonderful poem.....and thanks for sharing when I have been unable to to. Your poem needs to be read and I hope we will have readers who do just that.

    I am posting another poem about Christmas

     

    Mistletoe (Walter de la Mare)
     

    Sitting under the mistletoe (Pale-green, fairy mistletoe), One last candle burning low, All the sleepy dancers gone, Just one candle burning on, Shadows lurking everywhere: Some one came, and kissed me there.
     

    Tired I was; my head would go Nodding under the mistletoe (Pale-green, fairy mistletoe), No footsteps came, no voice, but only, Just as I sat there, sleepy, lonely, Stooped in the still and shadowy air Lips unseen - and kissed me there.

    MaryPage
    December 12, 2002 - 09:41 am
    Lovely, BARBARA! Sweet, ANNA! Thank you both so much.

    annafair
    December 13, 2002 - 03:55 am
     
    Winter 
     
    William Shakespeare
       

    When icicles hang by the wall And Dick the shepherd blows his nail And Tom bears logs into the hall, And milk comes frozen home in pail, When Blood is nipped and ways be foul, Then nightly sings the staring owl, Tu-who; Tu-whit, tu-who: a merry note, While greasy Joan doth keel the pot.
      

    When all aloud the wind doth blow, And coughing drowns the parson's saw, And birds sit brooding in the snow, And Marian's nose looks red and raw When roasted crabs hiss in the bowl, Then nightly sings the staring owl, Tu-who; Tu-whit, tu-who: a merry note, While greasy Joan doth keel the pot.

    annafair
    December 14, 2002 - 06:23 pm
     
    Winter: My Secret
     

    by Christina Georgina Rossetti
      

    I tell my secret? No indeed, not I: Perhaps some day, who knows? But not today; it froze, and blows, and snows, And you're too curious: fie! You want to hear it? well: Only, my secret's mine, and I won't tell.
     

    Or, after all, perhaps there's none: Suppose there is no secret after all, But only just my fun. Today's a nipping day, a biting day; In which one wants a shawl, A veil, a cloak, and other wraps: I cannot ope to every one who taps, And let the draughts come whistling thro' my hall; Come bounding and surrounding me, Come buffeting, astounding me, Nipping and clipping thro' my wraps and all. I wear my mask for warmth: who ever shows His nose to Russian snows To be pecked at by every wind that blows? You would not peck? I thank you for good will, Believe, but leave that truth untested still.
     

    Spring's an expansive time: yet I don't trust March with its peck of dust, Nor April with its rainbow-crowned brief showers, Nor even May, whose flowers One frost may wither thro' the sunless hours. Perhaps some languid summer day, When drowsy birds sing less and less, And golden fruit is ripening to excess, If there's not too much sun nor too much cloud, And the warm wind is neither still nor loud, Perhaps my secret I may say, Or you may guess.

    Louie1026
    December 14, 2002 - 06:29 pm
    There is a cat Of course my cat Mischa is the name After Mikhail Baryshnikov

    White Absolutely white White all over With blue eyes Head erect Nonchalant attitude Supremely nonchalant And arrogant Even for a cat

    There is an impression He is always Wearing tights

    And always in center stage A premiere danseur Preparing his pirouette

    One year About Christmas He even auditioned For “The Nutcracker” But there was a shortage of mice And the choreographer Was afraid There would even be fewer

    Should he get the part

    He didn’t even bother To audition For “Cinderella” The choreographer asked “Who was going to pull the coach If the mice disappeared One by One Even before The fairy godmother Could change them Into prancing dancing steeds”

    But Mischa my cat Paid no mind To this nasty criticism Paid no attention For he was a magnificent cat Didn’t everyone say so Independent Self-assured

    Why He could even do Charlie Chaplin Which he did One year ago in the Spring When all sorts of new things happen

    There was a little black mustache A little derby hat A short black vest And of course a little cane It was difficult But he did it He sure did do it The elegant, magnificent, self assured cat Became

    No denying it The old lovable tramp.

    But he got into trouble With all his play acting

    He forgot he was a cat Sashaying down the street Bowlegged as could be Elegantly Arrogantly Nonchalantly Supremely Self assured

    He stepped On Dog’s tail

    Can you imagine that Why? Who could tell Arrogantly Nonchalantly He stepped And that was that

    Dog didn’t like it

    And then Mischa didn’t like it

    They met nose to nose The noise was intense Horrifying Explosive Howling Snarling Downright nasty

    Mischa went up a tree Dog went up right after Just barely missing Eating Mischa’s tail

    But the stick-on mustache Ended sticking on his chin The cane Wrapped around his neck The vest All raggedy on his body The derby No longer smooth and round

    Now You all can see very clearly Mischa was really quite lucky Lucky Lucky Lucky So lucky It was added to his name

    annafair
    December 15, 2002 - 04:54 am
    We are always glad to see new friends here and hope you will return often and share your poems or the poems of your favorite poet.

    Being a cat lover I am really fond of Mischa. I smile at his antics as they remind me of some of my cats. Thanks for giving us Mischa...anna

    annafair
    December 15, 2002 - 05:21 am
     
    Birches 
     

    Robert Frost
     

    When I see birches bend to left and right Across the lines of straighter darker trees, I like to think some boy's been swinging them. But swinging doesn't bend them down to stay As ice-storms do. Often you must have seen them Loaded with ice a sunny winter morning After a rain. They click upon themselves As the breeze rises, and turn many-colored As the stir cracks and crazes their enamel. Soon the sun's warmth makes them shed crystal shells Shattering and avalanching on the snow-crust-- Such heaps of broken glass to sweep away You'd think the inner dome of heaven had fallen. They are dragged to the withered bracken by the load, And they seem not to break; though once they are bowed So low for long, they never right themselves: You may see their trunks arching in the woods Years afterwards, trailing their leaves on the ground Like girls on hands and knees that throw their hair Before them over their heads to dry in the sun. But I was going to say when Truth broke in With all her matter-of-fact about the ice-storm I should prefer to have some boy bend them As he went out and in to fetch the cows-- Some boy too far from town to learn baseball, Whose only play was what he found himself, Summer or winter, and could play alone. One by one he subdued his father's trees By riding them down over and over again Until he took the stiffness out of them, And not one but hung limp, not one was left For him to conquer. He learned all there was To learn about not launching out too soon And so not carrying the tree away Clear to the ground. He always kept his poise To the top branches, climbing carefully With the same pains you use to fill a cup Up to the brim, and even above the brim. Then he flung outward, feet first, with a swish, Kicking his way down through the air to the ground. So was I once myself a swinger of birches. And so I dream of going back to be. It's when I'm weary of considerations, And life is too much like a pathless wood Where your face burns and tickles with the cobwebs Broken across it, and one eye is weeping From a twig's having lashed across it open. I'd like to get away from earth awhile And then come back to it and begin over. May no fate willfully misunderstand me And half grant what I wish and snatch me away Not to return. Earth's the right place for love: I don't know where it's likely to go better. I'd like to go by climbing a birch tree, And climb black branches up a snow-white trunk Toward heaven, till the tree could bear no more, But dipped its top and set me down again. That would be good both going and coming back. One could do worse than be a swinger of birches.

    annafair
    December 17, 2002 - 10:14 pm
     
    Holiday Cookies
     		 

    Tonight I baked holiday cookies Not the ones my mother used to make. Dough chilled in a window box, Rolled thin as parchment, Cut carefully with cutters. In shapes of moons and stars, Santas, snowmen, angels and deer. When old enough I was allowed to help, Sprinkling each shape With colored sugar, yellow for stars, Green for trees and for Santa a cheery red. When I tired, mother sent me off to bed. The fragrance from the nutmeg Wafted up the stairs, perfumed the air And blessed my slumber. Morning found the kitchen clean, Nothing to tell of the nights effort. Except, a big box layered with cookies, Cushioned with waxed paper. On the table a plate of what my mother called Weird cookies. Dough rolled too often, Scraps left over cut With whatever shape would fit. Trees missing branches, a splintered Crescent moon, Santas who lost their bodies Only their heads endured. Remains of colored sugar, Mixed together, sprinkled on the crazy shapes. The perfect cookies were saved for guests, small children Choosing the larger cookies while the mothers Nibbled on smaller moons and stars. We were also allowed to take just one. Delicate, a bite melted on your tongue Like cotton candy at the carnival. They were wonderful. But it was the weird cookies I missed last night ..the .ones Mother made just for me.
     
    anna alexander  
    12/17/2002 
    all rights reserved  

    .

    MaryPage
    December 18, 2002 - 04:37 pm
    Cheerful the fireside, and candles that glow, 
    How tempting are presents, under the tree, 
    Gay is this season, we're brimful with glee. 
    How lovely the winter, lovely the snow. 
    Somewhere is hunger, and someone is sick. 
    Someone is homeless and suffers from cold. 
    Someone is lonely, with no hand to hold. 
    Some children will have no toys from St. Nick. 
    We sing of Peace, and we sing of Good Will, 
    Shepherds and Angels and five golden rings. 
    Of how, in a stable, knelt down three kings, 
    While a star hung above, huge and still. 
        The Magi felt hope for mankind when they 
          Offered gifts to The Child, there in the hay. 
    
    mpmc 1981

    MaryPage
    December 18, 2002 - 04:46 pm
    And I have loved it for 60 years now!

    GOD bless the little things 
    this Christmastide 
    All the little wild things 
    that live outside 
    Little cold robins and rabbits 
    in the snow 
    Give them good faring and 
    a warm place to go 
    All the little young things 
    for His sake Who died 
    Who was a little Thing 
    at Christmastide.


    Margaret Murray

    annafair
    December 18, 2002 - 05:20 pm
    Thanks so much for sharing the poems. Am I right when I feel the first is your own? and it is easy to see why the second is your favorite and remembered.

    It is odd I guess that my most cherished memories of Christmas are the ones from the past. When I was little and when my children were the same. I adore my grandchildren but their lives are so different than mine and even my children. Television, computers etc has made such is difference. When two of them were here this past weekend ...they either watched TV or wanted to play games on the computer. They are physically active in sports but it seems to me they wont have the joyous memories I had and still have. I hope I am WRONG! Love to you and thanks for stopping by and sharing. anna

    MaryPage
    December 18, 2002 - 05:23 pm
    Yes, Anna, I wrote the first poem. The second was on a Christmas card MY great grandmother gave me around 1941, give or take a year or two. It was published by the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C.

    Malryn (Mal)
    December 18, 2002 - 07:01 pm
    I had to dig this one up because it's exactly how I felt after the December 4th ice storm that paralyzed our part of North Carolina. Before we had no electricity and heat for 7 1/2 days and I nearly froze to death, I had some Christmas spirit. Now I'll be darned if I can find any, so I'll join Ezra Pound, who said:

    Winter is icummen in,
    Lhude sing Goddamm,
    Raineth drop and staineth slop,
    And how the wind doth ramm!
    Sing: Goddamm.
    Skiddeth bus and sloppeth us,
    An ague hath my ham.
    Freezeth river, turneth liver,
    Damm you, sing: Goddamm.
    Goddamm, Goddamm, 'tis why I am, Goddamm,
    So 'gainst the winter's balm.
    Sing goddamm, damm, sing Goddamm,
    Sing goddamm, sing goddamm, DAMM.

    annafair
    December 18, 2002 - 08:07 pm
    Now that is funny...not your ice storm or your nearly freezing to death. I am GLAD you didnt for we would miss your posts and your wit. Gads I can relate to that..I cant remember when ( I wrote a poem about it so I guess I need to look it up) but we had snow and then sleet and then freezing rain and I was stuck indoors for two weeks. When it had thawed some and the main streets were more or less passable I used a hair dryer to remove enough ice so I could get inside my car to start the engine etc. AND BOY WAS I GLAD MY GRANDCHILDREN WERE NOT NEAR>>>>they would have said OH NANA You have a potty mouth!! Cheer up Mal you have a whole week for some restoration of your Christmas spirit! anna

    annafair
    December 18, 2002 - 08:12 pm
    A great grandmother ...except for my father's mother all my grands had been gone a long time when I was born. I treasure the memory of the one I knew but to have a great grandmother..now that is something. Thanks again .....I hope some day we will meet again. Love ya ...anna

    MaryPage
    December 19, 2002 - 03:56 pm
    And she was SOMETHING, too, ANNA!

    MAL, I swear on the heads of my children that I felt absolutely gawdawful about your being without heat. That being said, I got a real chortle out of your poetry. Thanks! You are something ELSE!

    annafair
    December 19, 2002 - 07:11 pm
    Hopping on the sunroom floor Arrived with the wood through the door And I remembered a poem and share with you .anna

     
    John Keats (1795–1821).  The Poetical Works of John Keats.  1884. 
     

    On the Grasshopper and Cricket
     



    THE POETRY of earth is never dead: When all the birds are faint with the hot sun, And hide in cooling trees, a voice will run From hedge to hedge about the new-mown mead; That is the Grasshopper’s—he takes the lead In summer luxury,—he has never done With his delights; for when tired out with fun He rests at ease beneath some pleasant weed. The poetry of earth is ceasing never: On a lone winter evening, when the frost Has wrought a silence, from the stove there shrills The Cricket’s song, in warmth increasing ever, And seems to one in drowsiness half lost, The Grasshopper’s among some grassy hills.

    December 30, 1816.

    annafair
    December 20, 2002 - 04:32 pm
    Since a lot of people do celebrate Christmas I thought I would post A Visit From St Nickolas...and until I searched it out I thought it was written by Clement Clarke Moore ..no no says a researcher who gives credit to one Maj Washington..and that Donner and Blitzen were originally Dunder and Blixen...when Mr Moore sent it to the newspaper he changed the names and took credit for the poem...ah ..well for all who remember it and may still read it ..here it is...anna

     
    'Twas the Night Before Christmas 
    or Account of a Visit from St. Nicholas 
    by
     
    Major Henry Livingston Jr. (1748-1828) 
    (previously believed to be by Clement Clarke Moore)
     

    'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there;
     
    The children were nestled all snug in their beds, 
    While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads; 
    And mamma in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap, 
    Had just settled down for a long winter's nap,
     

    When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter, I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter. Away to the window I flew like a flash, Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.
     

    The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below, When, what to my wondering eyes should appear, But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer,
     

    With a little old driver, so lively and quick, I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick. More rapid than eagles his coursers they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;
     

    "Now, DASHER! now, DANCER! now, PRANCER and VIXEN! On, COMET! on CUPID! on, DONDER and BLITZEN! To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall! Now dash away! dash away! dash away all!"
     

    As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly, When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky, So up to the house-top the coursers they flew, With the sleigh full of toys, and St. Nicholas too.
     

    And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof The prancing and pawing of each little hoof. As I drew in my hand, and was turning around, Down the chimney St. Nicholas came with a bound.
     

    He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot, And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot; A bundle of toys he had flung on his back, And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.
     

    His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry! His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry! His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow;
     

    The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth, And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath; He had a broad face and a little round belly, That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.
      

    He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself; A wink of his eye and a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;
     

    He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work, And filled all the stockings; then turned with a jerk, And laying his finger aside of his nose, And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;
     

    He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

    annafair
    December 22, 2002 - 10:48 am
    Researching for a poem about the winter solstice it seemed all I could find were ones that referred to paganism...somehow they didnt say what I wanted to say...the shortest day of the year has always affected me..when 4:30 in the afternoon arrived and I would be walking home from some friends..the gathering night made me colder than the temperature. The streetlights would be on and pools of yellow light from stores and homes would assure me all was well. Still it was for me the saddest day of the year....so I wrote a poem to share with you but mostly for myself...anna

     
    Winter Solstice 
     

    The shortest day of the year is a thing of the past today its shadows lengthen creep toward spring
     

    the sun at noon pierces the glass brilliantly lights the room no need for lamps to shed their glow each corner is revealed in the sun's bright ray
     

    the dogwood tree bereft of leaves it limbs grey the scarlet berries gone feed for the birds who have gone away
     

    Behold along the branches waving in the cold, full of tight wrapped buds anticipating spring
     

    my heart is lighter though I know winter is still here it is the Hope of spring that sees me through
     

    the swords of Iris have pierced the sod and hold their green above the ground and deep within my garden lies the promise of rebirth
     

    anna alexander 12/22/2002 all rights reserved

    annafair
    December 22, 2002 - 11:42 pm
    Researching poems about winter and the Holidays I find poems from authors I have known but poems that were new. They seem like gifts to me...hope you think so too...anna

     
    Vachel Lindsay 
     
    This Section is a Christmas Tree 
     

    THIS section is a Christmas tree: Loaded with pretty toys for you. Behold the blocks, the Noah's arks, The popguns painted red and blue. No solemn pine-cone forest-fruit, But silver horns and candy sacks And many little tinsel hearts And cherubs pink, and jumping-jacks. For every child a gift, I hope. The doll upon the topmost bough Is mine. But all the rest are yours. And I will light the candles now.

    annafair
    December 24, 2002 - 08:30 am
    Since I already did The Night before Christmas I wanted something different for today....

    December 25, 1998

    NewsHour contributor and Poet Laureate of the United States Robert Pinsky shares a Christmas poem.







    This winter, with its tepid weather so far, almost makes us forget the splendid fierceness of late December.

    One emotion I associate with this time of year is a sense of the overwhelming beauty of the season--its imagery, its music, its white or crystal landscape, its associations--and the way that same beauty can be frustrating or painful: maybe because the seemingly perfect beauty or some old childhood vision of it is hard to live up to, or maybe because one feels a little excluded from the community that shares the seasonal joy.

    I think nearly everyone has felt that seasonal beauty, and the harsh other side of that beauty as well. I try to salute both in my poem, "Icicles":
     

    ICICLES
     
    A brilliant beard of ice  
    As harsh and heavy as glass  
    Hangs from the edge of the roof.  
    The spikes a child breaks off 
     

    Taste of wool and the sun. In the house, some straw for a bed, Circled by a little train, Is the tiny image of God.
     

    The sky is a fiery blue, And a fiery morning light Burns on the perfect snow: Not one track in the street.
     

    Just as the carols tell Everything is calm and bright: The town lying still Frozen silver and white.
      

    Is only one child awake, To splinter the shining stems? — Knocking them down with a stick, Striking the crystal chimes.

    annafair
    December 25, 2002 - 02:52 am
    I miss all the posts and the sharing. If there is something you would like to see here ...please let me know I would be happy to do it. I know it has been a busy month...almost two months. Between guests arriving and departing, numerous meals,and all the holiday preparation my time has been full to overflowing.

    I hope in 2003 I will see some of the old ---former posters return and hopefully some new ones. I did see one whom I have shared this place with ...and hope he will share in the New Year...in any case one custom I have on Christmas Day is greeting everyone with MERRY CHRISTMAS whatever you may be celebrating today , or whatever you are doing I hope it is a good day for everyone...anna

    patwest
    December 25, 2002 - 08:44 am
    Annafair .. I do share with you, but have little to contribute. I like reading these pages.

    Merry Christmas!

    Malryn (Mal)
    December 25, 2002 - 03:09 pm
    CLICK HERE FOR SOMETHING PRETTY

    Jan
    December 25, 2002 - 11:23 pm
    Anna, I've been lurking and reading! I'm enjoying all the Christmas Poetry, it's like a different world to me, I spend my Christmas's in stifling heat and firce rainstorms, where everything is flattened and bruised by torrential downpours.

    I've never seen snow, I'd love it, for a little while.<grin> One winter a year or so ago I started to memorize The Journey Of The Magi, but our winter here is so short that I was studying that Winter poem as I mopped my forehead. But it was worth it!

    I wanted to Post an Australian Christmas Poem but I've mislaid it.

    Jan

    annafair
    December 26, 2002 - 09:38 am
    Thanks so much for that link..Today was the first day I could reach it..apparantly cyberspace was a very busy place for awhile, my server kept telling me the lines were busy. late last night was able to reach the web but your link would not work...Today I tried it and thank goodness it came right up..That is a wonderful Christmas greeting and certainly our wish for the new year. Thanks again,anna

    annafair
    December 26, 2002 - 09:42 am
    I am so glad you visit here and like the pages. You contribute so much to Seniornet I dont know when you have time to eat or sleep. Any contribution is welcome...you dont have to share a poem to find a place here but if you do have one and let me know I will find it and share with all the others. Hope you had a great day..and the weather map showed a lot of activity ...So I hope it was a great day and a safe one as well. anna

    annafair
    December 26, 2002 - 09:50 am
    I am so glad you have enjoyed the winter poems and whenever you find the one you have mislaid please post it here...poetry is not seasonal ..it is universal and it is appropiate any time of the year.

    As above I had some problems with all the traffic on the net but will be looking for another winter poem...some I love are so long I dont even try to post here. So I look for ones that are shorter.

    I wish I could send you a bit of snow ..I realize it wouldnt last long but there is a specialness ( is that a word?) about snow ...in just the right amount it is fun ...although I must confess after a few days I am ready for the streets to be clear..but fresh falling snow is a beauty to behold.

    Jan when you stop by ..you dont need to share a poem but a wee HI would suffice...glad to see you here...anna

    annafair
    December 26, 2002 - 10:27 am
    I found this on a teachers site ..it doesnt say if this is a students poem ..and the author is unfamiliar..still I relate to this one..hope you enjoy..anna
     
    I Heard a Bird Sing
     

    I heard a bird sing In the dark of December A magical thing And sweet to remember: "We are nearer to Spring Than we were in September," I heard a bird sing In the dark of December.
     

    Oliver Herford

    MaryPage
    December 26, 2002 - 10:48 am
    One of my granddaughters has this pasted on the web page she has created for one of my great grandsons. I had never seen or heard it before, and think it quite lovely.

    (Song For Baby)

     

    I'll walk in the rain by your side I'll cling to the warmth of your hand I'll do anything to keep you satisfied I'll love you more than anybody can.

    And the wind will whisper your name to me Little birds will sing along in time Leaves will bow down when you walk by And morning bells will chime.

    I'll be there when you're feeling down To kiss away the tears that you've cried I'll share with you all the happiness I've found A reflection of the love in your eyes.

    And I'll sing you the songs of the rainbow Whisper all the joy that is mine And leaves will bow down when you walk by And morning bells will chime.

    I'll walk in the rain by your side I'll cling to the warmth of your tiny hand I'll do anything to help you understand And I'll love you more than anybody can.

    And the wind will whisper your name to me Little birds will sing along in time Leaves will bow down when you walk by And morning bells will chime.

    John Denver 1974

    annafair
    December 26, 2002 - 02:28 pm
    You are right it is a lovely poem...and for parents it most likely will bring a tear to the eye as we remember when ours were young. Thanks so much for sharing that with us...anna

    annafair
    December 27, 2002 - 07:15 pm
     
    NEW YEAR 
     

    Know this! there is nothing can harm you If you are at peace with your soul. Know this, and the knowledge shall arm you With courage and strength to the goal. Your spirit shall break every fetter, And love shall cast out every fear. And grander, and gladder, and better Shall be every added new year.
     
    Yesterdays. By Ella Wheeler Wilcox.  
    London: Gay & Hancock, 1916.

    MaryPage
    December 28, 2002 - 07:18 am
    and fatter and fatter and fatter

    shall be added every new year..............

    Malryn (Mal)
    December 28, 2002 - 11:31 am
    Flowers in Winter



    How strange to greet, this frosty morn,


    In graceful counterfeit of flower,


    These children of the meadows, born


    Of sunshine and of showers!


    How well the conscious wood retains


    The pictures of its flower-sown home,


    The lights and shades, the purple stains,


    And golden hues of bloom!


    It was a happy thought to bring


    To the dark season's frost and rime


    This painted memory of spring,


    This dream of summertime.


    Our hearts are lighter for its sake,


    Our fancy's age renews its youth,


    And dim-remembered fictions take


    The guise of present truth.


    A wizard of the Merrimac, —


    So old ancestral legends say, —


    Could call green leaf and blossom back


    To frosted stem and spray.


    The dry logs of the cottage wall,


    Beneath his touch, put out their leaves;


    The clay-bound swallow, at his call,


    Played round the icy eaves.


    The settler saw his oaken flail


    Take bud, and bloom before his eyes;


    From frozen pools he saw the pale


    Sweet summer lilies rise.


    To their old homes, by man profaned


    Came the sad dryads, exiled long,


    And through their leafy tongues complained


    Of household use and wrong.


    The beechen platter sprouted wild,


    The pipkin wore its old-time green,


    The cradle o'er the sleeping child


    B ecame a leafy screen.


    Haply our gentle friend hath met,


    While wandering in her sylvan quest,


    Haunting his native woodlands yet,


    That Druid of the West;


    And while the dew on leaf and flower


    Glistened in the moonlight clear and still,


    Learned the dusk wizard's spell of power,


    And caught his trick of skill.


    But welcome, be it new or old,


    The gift which makes the day more bright,


    And paints, upon the ground of cold


    And darkness, warmth and light!


    Without is neither gold nor green;


    Within, for birds, the birch-logs sing;


    Yet, summer-like, we sit between


    The autumn and the spring.


    The one, with bridal blush of rose,


    And sweetest breath of woodland balm,


    And one whose matron lips unclose


    In smiles of saintly calm.


    Fill soft and deep, O winter snow!


    The sweet azalea's oaken dells,


    And hide the banks where roses blow


    And swing the azure bells!


    O'erlay the amber violet's leaves,


    The purple aster's brookside home,


    Guard all the flowers her pencil gives


    A live beyond their bloom.


    And she, when spring comes round again,


    By greening slope and singing flood


    Shall wander, seeking, not in vain


    Her darlings of the wood.

    annafair
    December 28, 2002 - 11:33 pm
    I try not to think of that!!!!!!! anna

    annafair
    December 28, 2002 - 11:38 pm
    Thanks so much for bringing us that poem...it is new to me although the author is an old friend. I love each line, each word
     
    Yet, summer-like, we sit between  
    The autumn and the spring.
     

    I think that is a wonderful description .. all of it reminds me the winter soltice is past and spring is moving our way...makes me feel like clicking my heels ....anna

    Faithr
    December 29, 2002 - 09:55 am
    Anna like our colts used to do when they felt joy. Jumping, swinging their manes and clicking there hooves together. I can just see them in the pasture now. Thanks for the image. That is a poem I have read a long time ago and was thrilled to see it again.Thanks Mal. FP

    annafair
    December 30, 2002 - 11:17 pm
    Instead of sharing the words to Auld Lang Syne I am giving you a link to Robert Burns and the story and words from this famous song. And since it is a link to Burns you can also check out some of his other poems and share which ones you enjoy the most...Have a wonderful 2003 and remember reading poetry OUTLOUD is good for you...anna

    http://www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/AuldLangSyne.5.html

    MaryPage
    December 31, 2002 - 05:38 am
    Here's to Champagne, the drink divine That makes us forget our troubles. It's made of a dollar's worth of wine And ten dollars worth of bubbles.


    Mencken

    annafair
    December 31, 2002 - 01:05 pm
    Now that made me laugh ...lots of bubbles to tickle your nose! hugs all around...anna

    annafair
    January 1, 2003 - 08:49 am
     
    Inaugural Poem  
    Maya Angelou 
    20 January 1993 
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

    A Rock, A River, A Tree Hosts to species long since departed, Marked the mastodon. The dinosaur, who left dry tokens Of their sojourn here On our planet floor, Any broad alarm of their hastening doom Is lost in the gloom of dust and ages.
     

    But today, the Rock cries out to us, clearly, forcefully, Come, you may stand upon my Back and face your distant destiny, But seek no haven in my shadow.
     

    I will give you no more hiding place down here.
     

    You, created only a little lower than The angels, have crouched too long in The bruising darkness, Have lain too long Face down in ignorance.
     

    Your mouths spilling words Armed for slaughter.
     

    The Rock cries out today, you may stand on me, But do not hide your face.
     

    Across the wall of the world, A River sings a beautiful song, Come rest here by my side.
     

    Each of you a bordered country, Delicate and strangely made proud, Yet thrusting perpetually under siege.
     

    Your armed struggles for profit Have left collars of waste upon My shore, currents of debris upon my breast. Yet, today I call you to my riverside, If you will study war no more. Come, Clad in peace and I will sing the songs The Creator gave to me when I and the Tree and the stone were one.
     

    Before cynicism was a bloody sear across your Brow and when you yet knew you still Knew nothing.
     

    The River sings and sings on.
     

    There is a true yearning to respond to The singing River and the wise Rock.
     

    So say the Asian, the Hispanic, the Jew The African and Native American, the Sioux, The Catholic, the Muslim, the French, the Greek The Irish, the Rabbi, the Priest, the Sheikh, The Gay, the Straight, the Preacher, The privileged, the homeless, the Teacher. They hear. They all hear The speaking of the Tree.
     

    Today, the first and last of every Tree Speaks to humankind. Come to me, here beside the River.
     

    Plant yourself beside me, here beside the River.
     

    Each of you, descendant of some passed On traveller, has been paid for.
     

    You, who gave me my first name, you Pawnee, Apache and Seneca, you Cherokee Nation, who rested with me, then Forced on bloody feet, left me to the employment of Other seekers--desperate for gain, Starving for gold.
     

    You, the Turk, the Swede, the German, the Scot ... You the Ashanti, the Yoruba, the Kru, bought Sold, stolen, arriving on a nightmare Praying for a dream.
     

    Here, root yourselves beside me.
     

    I am the Tree planted by the River, Which will not be moved.
     

    I, the Rock, I the River, I the Tree I am yours--your Passages have been paid.
     

    Lift up your faces, you have a piercing need For this bright morning dawning for you.
     

    History, despite its wrenching pain, Cannot be unlived, and if faced With courage, need not be lived again.
     

    Lift up your eyes upon The day breaking for you.
     

    Give birth again To the dream. Women, children, men, Take it into the palms of your hands.
     

    Mold it into the shape of your most Private need. Sculpt it into The image of your most public self. Lift up your hearts Each new hour holds new chances For new beginnings.
     

    Do not be wedded forever To fear, yoked eternally To brutishness.
     

    The horizon leans forward, Offering you space to place new steps of change. Here, on the pulse of this fine day You may have the courage To look up and out upon me, the Rock, the River, the Tree, your country.
     

    No less to Midas than the mendicant.
     

    No less to you now than the mastodon then.
     

    Here on the pulse of this new day You may have the grace to look up and out And into your sister's eyes, into Your brother's face, your country And say simply Very simply With hope Good morning.

    MaryPage
    January 1, 2003 - 09:11 am
    HAPPY NEW YEAR, Y'ALL!


    We are experiencing a very unusual day for us. Looks as though it belongs right smack in the middle of a British murder mystery. It is quite darkish and very, very foggy. The forest primeval outside my windows is wreathed in smokey evaporations that cannot escape, as the atmosphere is already completely saturated. Water is dripping from everything, and especially from the black branches meeting sinuously overhead. Temp in the fifties.

    annafair
    January 2, 2003 - 07:56 am
    A great passage from a sinister book:-) You should write! Hope you have a better day today...anna

    annafair
    January 2, 2003 - 08:00 am
    Hope you do too and does anyone want to say what it means to you?

    Villanelle
      

    Time will say nothing but I told you so, Time only knows the price we have to pay; If I could tell you I would let you know.
     

    If we should weep when clowns put on their show, If we should stumble when musicians play, Time will say nothing but I told you so.
     

    There are no fortunes to be told, although, Because I love you more than I can say, If I could tell you I would let you know.
     

    The winds must come from somewhere when they blow, There must be reasons why the leaves decay; Time will say nothing but I told you so.
     

    Perhaps the roses really want to grow, The vision seriously intends to stay; If I could tell you I would let you know.
     

    Suppose the lions all get up and go, And all the brooks and soldiers run away? Will time say nothing but I told you so? If I could tell you I would let you know.
     

    -- W. H. Auden

    annafair
    January 6, 2003 - 06:34 am
    In researching something to offer you I found a website dedicated to Turkish Culture and to Turkish poets. The title of this one intrigued me ....anna

     
    Salah BÝRSEL
     

    INVITATION TO SLOTH
     

    Hold it gentlemen relax for a while Why are we in this maddening rat race Straining our hearts for what Instead let's develop double chins And sit back and relax for a while
     

    Whoever wants to stand or stalk let him But let's squat right here on the ground First let's open our mouths wide Then stretch and relax our shoulders And even roll over our eyes Gentlemen let's yawn for a while Who cares if we make a couple of bucks Instead let's contemplate our navel Turn a cold shoulder to work and thought Or else no one would sympathize with us While there's still time kids and grown-ups Let's doze off let's live in sloth Gentlemen let's snore for a while
     
    Translated by Tâlat Sait Hâlman

    annafair
    January 8, 2003 - 07:00 pm
    I was looking for one today...it is an ancient Malaysian form of poetry. No party was finished until pantoums ( pantun) were recited or created. I have several but they are on a disk so I was trying to find one for you.

    I have asked persmission to share one I especially liked and will do that if I obtain the permission.

    Has anyone a pantoum to share? Perhaps one you have written or read??

    Back later .....anna

    Arast
    January 8, 2003 - 10:25 pm
    What is a pantoum?

    annafair
    January 9, 2003 - 08:58 am
    I guess I will have to look up one of my own. As I said it is an ancient form of poetry from Malaysia. It is usually about four verses long but can be any length. It repeats the lines in a pattern and from my study it was a very social thing. Favorite ones would be remembered and recited at parties and new ones would be tried. They were not written down but memorized. I will look today ...I find I like them...anna

    annafair
    January 9, 2003 - 01:03 pm
    This is the first one and not my best but everytime I get a new computer or add something I have to reorganize..anyway here it is and you can see what kind of poem a pantoum is..One thing while there is repitition rhyming is opitonal ...I have left the numbers on the left so you can see the pattern.....I have ones I like better and there are really some great ones as soon as I get permission to use them here..It is fun to try so perhaps some of you would like to do it ...anna

     
    A Pantoum 
     

    1 Among the blossoms on my plum tree 2 What do these old eyes see ? 3 A RED BLOOM a mong the white? 4 I know it wasnt there last night!
     

    2 What do these old eyes see? 6 A red breasted robin I believe there be 4 I know it wasnt there last night! 8 This welcomed, waited for spring delight.
     

    6 A red breasted robin I believe there be 10 I must not stir or he will flee 8 This welcomed, waited for spring delight 12 My friend, my feathered robed Knight
     

    10 I must not stir or he will flee 14 A red bloom among the white, 12 My friend, my feathered robed Knight 1 Among the blossoms on my plum tree.
     

    anna alexander 3/6/98 all rights reserved

    annafair
    January 12, 2003 - 08:50 am
    Even if the thermometer says it is 70 in the house ...I know how cold it is outside since there is a chill in the air..Last evening I spent seated near my little wood stove so I wanted to find a poem about winter and cold and here is one by Robert Frost..name appropiate as well as poem...anna

     
    Poem of the Day, January 12th, 2003  
    An Old Man's Winter Night - A Poem By Robert Frost  
    
     

    All out of doors looked darkly in at him Through the thin frost, almost in separate stars, That gathers on the pane in empty rooms. What kept his eyes from giving back the gaze Was the lamp tilted near them in his hand. What kept him from remembering what it was That brought him to that creaking room was age. He stood with barrels round him -- at a loss. And having scared the cellar under him In clomping there, he scared it once again In clomping off; -- and scared the outer night, Which has its sounds, familiar, like the roar Of trees and crack of branches, common things, But nothing so like beating on a box. A light he was to no one but himself Where now he sat, concerned with he knew what, A quiet light, and then not even that. He consigned to the moon, such as she was, So late-arising, to the broken moon As better than the sun in any case For such a charge, his snow upon the roof, His icicles along the wall to keep; And slept. The log that shifted with a jolt Once in the stove, disturbed him and he shifted, And eased his heavy breathing, but still slept. One aged man -- one man -- can't keep a house, A farm, a countryside, or if he can, It's thus he does it of a winter night.

    annafair
    January 14, 2003 - 07:22 am
    The weather station shows the possibility of lots of snow across the country. This short poem by Robert Frost talks about OLD SNOW...and I love the line where he describes the patch looking like an old newspaper. Never thought of it that way but he is right it does. Enjoy and stay warm...anna

     
    A Patch of Old Snow 
     

    There's a patch of old snow in a corner That I should have guessed Was a blow-away paper the rain Had brought to rest.
     

    It is speckled with grime as if Small print overspread it, The news of a day I've forgotten -- If I ever read it.
     

    -- Robert Frost

    annafair
    January 16, 2003 - 09:23 am
    A favorite assignment in my poetry classes asked us to choose a painting and write a poem about it ..here is a good example of that with a poem by Walter de la Mare

     
    Pieter Brueghel, Hunters in the Snow (1565) 
    Oil on canvas, 46 inches x 63.75 inches. Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna.
     

    Walter de la Mare
     

    Brueghel's Winter
     
    Jagg'd mountain peaks and skies ice-green 
    Wall in the wild, cold scene below. 
    Churches, farms, bare copse, the sea 
    In freezing quiet of winter show; 
    Where ink-black shapes on fields in flood 
    Curling, skating, and sliding go. 
    To left, a gabled tavern; a blaze; 
    Peasants; a watching child; and lo, 
    Muffled, mute--beneath naked trees 
    In sharp perspective set a-row-- 
    Trudge huntsmen, sinister spears aslant, 
    Dogs snuffling behind them in the snow; 
    And arrowlike, lean, athwart the air 
    Swoops into space a crow.
     

    But flame, nor ice, nor piercing rock, Nor silence, as of a frozen sea, Nor that slant inward infinite line Of signboard, bird, and hill, and tree, Give more than subtle hint of him Who squandered here life's mystery.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 18, 2003 - 12:55 am
    OK Anna you have been finding pearls for us for awhile now - finally I have worked on this one long enough - I think i've got it as the song goes...
    Wet is each eye that burnished her soul

    Trampled
    fallen
    forsaken
    a girl child
    echoes
    in the writhing voice of this woman

    She rails
    she blames
    she screams

    gulls cry
    ripped
    from the pain of her confusion

    Laid bare
    she wants
    she needs

    a compass star
    tied
    ‘round her head, to steer her from illusion

    Justice
    impartial
    open

    a sober mercy
    musters
    hollow, as a black torch flame

    No ashes on her garment,
    torn in veiled despair
    she stills the muffled drum,
    when all the bolts are barred,
    aching, her mandolin is heard.

    MaryPage
    January 18, 2003 - 09:02 am
    Superb, Barbara! You do know the Muse!

    annafair
    January 19, 2003 - 08:38 am
    You have shared and written a magnificent pearl ..thank you so much ...I am in awe of your talent ...anna

    Mancunian
    January 20, 2003 - 03:09 am
    Hello .. I have just looked into your delightful site and am enjoying the poetry. ANNAFAIR perhaps you would like some poems about the sea? I have to do a bit of searching for some of them .. but here is one which I like and can relate to .. coming from a fishing family.

    FISHING PARTNERS

    BILL ..

    The pattern, power, set of waves at sea,

    sad shrill of wind and shrieking cry of birds.

    In tang of salt on tongue, through mystery,

    Bill's world works, other than by words.

    The living deck is drumming to his feet,

    the wheel's alive and quickening his hand,

    a straining engine's growl, the sting of sleet;

    this flow of data Bill can understand.

    But Lucy fathoms life by what is said,

    she needs to hear a thing before it's real,

    as words dry up so Lucy learns to dread

    the sea which makes her Bill seem hard as steel.

    His fishing hands are scarred by net and line,

    they chafe across her trembling coddled skin,

    his awkward lips, split deep by sun and brine,

    cannot express the love entrapped within.

    LUCY

    The river bar is where she goes to wait

    on stormy days when fishing boats run late;

    a vigil kept beside the ocean tomb,

    a losing fight against her sense of doom.

    At home alone she waits her life away,

    confronts a fear that stalks her every day,

    what hope has she against the siren sea

    whose voice can reach to house or harbour lee.

    She dreams about another kind of life

    in which she lives as ordinary wife

    to banking man, a father, gentle, bland,

    or farmer boy whose feet are safe on land.

    A role of cozy bliss? A tempting part,

    but head is serf before a hostage heart;

    she shakes herself to break the reverie,

    turns back to look for lights far out to sea.

    POET UNKNOWN

    annafair
    January 20, 2003 - 09:48 am
    I read your information and I feel we are a lot alike and I Loved the poem you shared. It is one many women can relate to...and men as well.

    My husband was a pilot and he followed a starry path...while I stayed home. He could no more give up flying than give up breathing.. in fact it would be the same. I too thought many times what if ? He had gone into some other business but then he wouldnt have been the same person. And he was the person my heart was hostage to.

    You ask if we would like more sea poems..YES YES sea poems, land poems, mystical poems ..any poem that touches you..will find a welcome here.

    Thanks...anna

    Mancunian
    January 24, 2003 - 01:00 am
    Thankyou Anna for a lovely site. I'd love to hear poems from others. There are so many beautiful ones to enjoy.

    Think you will like this one .. I'm sure all animal lovers. It was written by Ralph Hodgson who was born in Yorkshire,England in 1871 but made his home in Ohio during his middle years. He died there in 1962, His poetry was mostly about animals and nature. An anthology of his poems appears in 'The Skylark and other Poems'.

    The Bells of Heaven .......

    'Twould ring the bells of Heaven

    The wildest peal for years,

    If Parson lost his senses

    And people came to theirs,

    And he and they together

    Knelt down with angry prayers

    For tamed and shabby tigers,

    And dancing dogs and bears,

    And wretched, blind pit ponies,

    And lttle hunted hares.

    ........

    Marjorie with good wishes to you Anna and everyone.

    Mancunian
    January 24, 2003 - 01:00 am
    Thankyou Anna for a lovely site. I'd love to hear poems from others. There are so many beautiful ones to enjoy.

    Think you will like this one .. I'm sure all animal lovers. It was written by Ralph Hodgson who was born in Yorkshire,England in 1871 but made his home in Ohio during his middle years. He died there in 1962, His poetry was mostly about animals and nature. An anthology of his poems appears in 'The Skylark and other Poems'.

    The Bells of Heaven .......

    'Twould ring the bells of Heaven

    The wildest peal for years,

    If Parson lost his senses

    And people came to theirs,

    And he and they together

    Knelt down with angry prayers

    For tamed and shabby tigers,

    And dancing dogs and bears,

    And wretched, blind pit ponies,

    And lttle hunted hares.

    ........

    Marjorie with good wishes to you Anna and everyone.

    viogert
    January 24, 2003 - 03:26 am
    Mancunian -- lovely to hear of Ralph Hodgson. I didn't know he was born in Yorkshire. Do you remember "The Bull" -- it's a bit long for here - but he's in a lot of the anthologies - & he's a brilliant poet.

    Mancunian
    January 24, 2003 - 10:01 pm
    Yes Viogert .. Ralph Hodgson is a brilliant poem. 'The Bull' so sad .. and as you say vefy long for printing.

    It's Robbie Burns' birthday .. some poems perhaps to celebrate?

    WRITTEN BY SOMEBODY ON THE WINDOW OF AN INN AT sTIRLING, ON SEEING THE ROYAL PALACE IN RUIN.

    Here Stuarts once in glory reigned,

    And laws for Scotland's weal ordained;

    But now unroof'd their palace stands

    Their sceptre's sway'd by other hands;

    Fallen indeed, and to the earth

    Whence grovelling reptiles take their birth.

    The injured Stuart line is gone,

    A race outlandish fills their throne;

    An idiot race, to honour lost;

    Who know them best, despise them most. ........................

    Not well known but just to record his birthday

    Better known is...

    "Had we never loved sae kindly,

    Had we never loved sae blindly,

    Never met .. or never parted,

    We had ne'er been broken hearted."

    annafair
    January 25, 2003 - 06:25 am
    I am having trouble staying on line..I keep dropping out ..I am not sure of the cause, I do know my regular phone line keeps closing down as well. We have had unusual cold weather here and I suspect that is the reason...I know several people have complained of the same problem It will warm this weekend and I hope to be able to post a poem or too. I am thinking of something about spring or summer....SOMETHING WARM! anna

    annafair
    January 26, 2003 - 06:45 am
    This is one I wrote a few years ago which proves humans are never satisfied...I think the weatherman has reneged on his promise of warm weather ...anna

     
    Where are ...
     

    the summers of my youth? the green room where moon vines made a wall to shade us from noonday sun in evening from the porch swing we made a breeze pushed our feet against the floor listened to katydids watched fireflies make stars upon the yard today hidden in air conditioned house sun a searing dish of brass chars the grass flowers droop in death await with me the first cool breath of fall...
     

    anna alexander7/15/97 all rights reserved

    MaryPage
    January 26, 2003 - 06:58 am
    lovely poetry ...............

    3kings
    January 27, 2003 - 02:00 am
    These bounteous forms,
    Through a long absence, have not been to me
    As in a landscape to a blind man’s eye;
    But oft, in lonely rooms, and ‘mid the din
    Of towns and cities, I have owed to them,
    In hours of weariness, sensations sweet,
    Felt in the blood, and felt among the heart;
    And passing even into my purer mind,
    With tranquil restoration-- feelings too
    Of unremembered pleasure; such, perhaps,
    As have no slight or trivial influence
    On that best portion of a good man’s life,
    His little, nameless, unremembered acts
    Of kindness and of love

    William Wordsworth

    Lines composed a few miles above Tintern Abbey (1798)

    3kings
    January 27, 2003 - 06:32 pm
    The following is taken from an old school text on trigonometry. The presence of poetry in a mathematics text has always surprised me. It is a passage from Wordsworth’s “Wanderer”.

    Therefore with her lines,
    Her forms, and with the spirit of her forms,
    He clothed the nakedness of austere truth,
    While yet he lingered in the rudiments
    Of science, and among her simplest laws,
    His triangles-- they were the stars of heaven,
    The silent stars! Oft did he take delight
    To measure the altitude of some tall crag
    That is the eagle’s birthplace, or some peak
    Familiar with forgotten years, that shews
    Inscribed, as with the silence of the thought,
    Upon its bleak and visionary sides
    The history of many a winter storm,
    Or obscure record of the paths of fire.



    Trevor

    annafair
    January 29, 2003 - 09:39 am
    It seems I have spent the past few weeks warming myself by my little stove in the sunroom. We have had -3 windchill and for our area that is very unusual. We are near the Atlantic and the Gulf Stream warms us so when others receive snow we welcome the preferred rain.

    My computer is upstairs and while I have thought of putting it in the sunroom I would be distracted by the birds feeding and the antics of the squirrels.

    As it is I have been cleaning up my pantry after finding mice driven indoors by the terrible cold ( for us ) Today I hope to complete the task. It is tedious so all of my extra time has been thowing out packages and washing shelves and collecting heavy plastic containers to place the things I could save.

    I apologize for posting a poem I wrote this am about my mice ..after the wonderful poems you shared Trevor. And isnt it great they used a poem by Wordseworth in a book on Trig? I would love to see more of that instead of some of illustrations I found in my children's books over the years.

    Any way here is my rather frivolous poem ...what a contrast between mine and Wordsworth ......but he was a REAL POET ...makes me feel like a charlatan...anna

     
    A Mouse in the House 
     

    There he was skipping across my pantry shelves Like Hansel and Gretel leaving behind His markings so he could find his way home
     

    Oh he had a wonderful feast as my packages declared Let me see, there were chocolate chips he really adored Flour and coconut for his sweet tooth
     
    Nutritious bits of my sweet potatoes  
    You can see he prefers a balanced diet   
    As he nibbled on cereal and dried cranberries 
     

    How did he know the contents of the unopened, Unbroken plastic bags and cardboard boxes? He must be a physic mouse, this mouse in my house.
     

    Too bad he couldn't tell the peanut butter Was attached to a trap, in his joy at finding it there He found his last supper ....Now I change my poem
     

    And declare it to be A Requiem for a Mouse.
     

    anna alexander 1/29/2003 all rights reserved

    Mancunian
    January 31, 2003 - 12:28 am
    So sad for the poor wee mousie Anna but beautifully written.. I certainly know the frustration one feels after their visits. I do remember though many years ago opening the cupboard door to see a wee mouse sitting up on its hind legs enjoying a morsel of something held between its two front feet. I managed to catch 'him' and took him way up into the bush and released him. I never did see any more mice and haven't done since.

    Trevor I do enjoy Wordsworth. He attended the same country school at Hawkshead as Fletcher Christian although at a different time. His life story is so interesting along with his friend and colleague Coleridge.

    I like the poetry of John Clare and this one always appealed to me.

    THE THRUSH"S NEST

    Within a thick and spreading hawthorn bush,

    That overhung a molehill large and round, I heard from morn to morn a merry thrush

    Sing hymns to sunrise, and I drank the sound

    With joy; and often, an intruding guest'

    I watched her secret toil from day to day, -

    How true she warped the moss, to form a nest,

    And modelled it within with wood and clay;

    And by and by, like heath bells gilt with dew,

    There lay her shining eggs, as bright as flowers,

    Ink spotted-over shells of greeny blue;

    And there, I witnessed in the sunny hours

    A brood of Nature's minstrels chirp and fly,

    Glad as the sunshine and the laughing sky.

    JOHN CLARE wrote some very beautiful poetry .. sadly he was committed to an asylun when still quite young and died there at an early age. Somehow I don't think it would happen today. I think it was just eccentricity that he 'suffered' with.

    3kings
    February 1, 2003 - 02:44 am
    SEA CALL

    Let the radio pip and shudder
    at each dawns news

    Let the weatherman hint
    a gaunt meaning to the chill
    and ache of bone :
    but when the new moon's bowl
    is storing rain, the pull of time
    and sea will cry to me
    again.

    And I shall stuff my longing
    in an empty pack
    and hasten to the secret shore
    where the land's curve lies
    clad in vermilion-- and the green
    wind tugging gravely.

    There let the waves lave
    pleasuring the body's senses :
    and the sun's feet
    shall twinkle and flex
    to the sea eggs needling
    and the paua's stout kiss
    shall drain a rock's heart
    to the sandbar's booming.

    HONE TUWHARE

    Sad about John Clare, Margorie I think I have a poem of his, but can't find it at the moment.- Trevor

    annafair
    February 2, 2003 - 02:46 pm
    Mice for nearly 30 years were not seen in my house for besides dogs we had cats..The last cat died three years ago and now I have mice..I fully intended to come here yesterday, full of cheer to tell you I have taken a week ..washing, mopping, restocking my pantry and putting everything into glass and plastic containers.

    As you know yesterday ,,gee I can hardly talk about it ..the space shuttle exploded and my cheerfulness disappeared. I watched the news all day and while it was all a repeat I think something inside says This has to be a dream and sooner or later I will awaken and find it didnt happen.

    I appreciate both poems and particularly ask you both or others to share poems of poets not known here. I have resumed my poetry class this year and the professor has challenged us to find "our voice" I have decided mine is whimsical ..but to also share poetry we have read and enjoyed. I would love to take some poems from other countries, perhaps with a short bio to read and share in my class.

    Any contribution will be appreciated by my group...and they will be enterested to know where it came from. So much poetry we miss because we dont read it here or perhaps it is not published here. ( In the USA) I hope to return tomorrow and find a poem for everyone.. God Bless..anna

    annafair
    February 3, 2003 - 02:50 pm
    I am sure this poem is familiar and I want to quote it here in memory of the seven who followed a starry path ..anna

    Requiem 
     

    Under the wide and starry sky Dig the grave and let me lie. Glad did I live and gladly die, And I laid me down with a will.
     

    This be the verse you grave for me; "Here he lies where he longed to be, Home is the sailor, home from sea, And the hunter home from the hill."
     

    -- Robert L. Stevenson

    Mancunian
    February 3, 2003 - 11:25 pm
    Anna thank you for RLS's 'Requiem' .. the thoughts and prayers from all over the world are for the families and friends of those seven courageous young people. Courageous to take on such missions.

    Trevor .. 'Sea Call' beautiful and so simple. Isn't it good to hear the poetry of some of today's young poets? I have a friend who has such a wonderful way with words and I have asked her permission to post some of her poems.

    One of my many favourites is Alfred, Lord Tennyson's ..

    CROSSING THE BAR

    Sunset and evening Star,

    And one clear call for me.

    And may there be no moaning of the bar

    When I put out to sea.

    But such a tide as moving seems asleep,

    Too full for sound or foam

    When that which drew from out the boundless deep

    Turns again home.

    Twilight and evening bell,

    After that the dark!

    And may there be no sadness of farewell

    When I embark.

    For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place

    The flood may bear me far,

    I hope to see my pilot face to face

    When I have crost the bar.

    My very best wishes to all who love poetry .. may we hear more and more ...... Marjorie

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 4, 2003 - 03:47 pm
    "Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth,

    And while with silent lifting mind I've trod

    The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

    Put out my hand and touched the face of God."

    ..........J. G. Magee 1922-44....RAF pilot.

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 4, 2003 - 04:12 pm
    "The angels, not half so happy in heaven,

    Went envying her and me.

    Yes! that was the reason as all men know,

    In this kingdom by the sea,

    That a wind came out of a cloud by night,

    Chilling and killing my Annabel Lee."

    annafair
    February 4, 2003 - 04:25 pm
    And thoughts expressed here...Not only were the seven brave and courageous but the families have shown a clear understanding of their family member to partcipate in this endeavor.

    I am such a coward I cant imagine wanting to do something so dangerous and be glad for the chance. I have to admire them ..for I do know we have learned a lot from the daring of all the astronauts and the ground crews.

    I think of the USAF song..the last lines being ..We live in fame, go down in flame and NOTHING can stop the US Air Corp. My husband was a pilot in Air Force and I can remember once there was some talk of trying to get more hazard duty pay for them. My husband said very seriously I would have paid them to let me fly and be part of them.

    I believe the astronauts feel the same way. I pray for them, their families and for ones to come. Thanks again for the poems...will be back tomorrow with some other poetry ...As Marjorie said Let's Post these Poems!

    anna

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 4, 2003 - 06:35 pm
    "Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul has spoken!

    Leave my loneliness unbroken!---quit the bust above my door!

    Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my floor"

    .............quoth the raven "Nevermore."

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 4, 2003 - 07:30 pm
    "Often I think of the beautiful town that is seated by the sea.

    Often in thought go up and down the pleasant streets of that dear old town.

    And my youth comes back to me, and a verse of a lapland song,

    Is haunting my memory still.

    A boy's will is the wind's will

    And the thoughts of youth are long, long thoughts."

    ..........Longfellow

    annafair
    February 5, 2003 - 08:47 am
     
    SEA-BLOWN
     

    by: Joaquin Miller (1841-1913)
     

    AH! there be souls none understand; Like clouds, they cannot touch the land. Unanchored ships, they blow and blow, Sail to and fro, and then go down In unknown seas that none shall know, Without one ripple of renown.
     

    Call these not fools, the test of worth Is not the hold you have of earth. Ay, there be gentlest souls sea-blown That know not any harbor known. Now it may be the reason is, They touch on fairer shores than this.

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 5, 2003 - 05:14 pm
    "Backward, flow backward, oh, tide of the years!

    I am so weary of toil and of tears---Toil without recompense, tears all in vain-Take them, and give me my childhood again.

    I have grown weary of dust and decay- Weary of flinging my soul-wealth away;

    Weary of sowing for others to reap;

    Rock me to sleep, Mother-rock me to sleep!"

    .........Elizabeth Akers Allen

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 5, 2003 - 07:52 pm
    Among the rills and leas.

    Ere upon my bed I lay me,

    Ere in sleep I close my eyelids,

    Ere in dreams, those ways I see.

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 5, 2003 - 09:12 pm
    "I ran so fast that time and youth at last ran out.

    I never stopped to think what life was all about,

    And every conversation I can now recall,

    Concerned itself with me, and nothing else at all."

    ................thanks to Roy Clark

    Mancunian
    February 6, 2003 - 07:51 am
    Childhood days .. JAYBAY .. we enjoyed such innocence which was a wonderful part of being young then. So easily lost.

    There is a lovely poem of the sea by Lord Byron (1823)

    THE OPEN SEA

    White as a white sail on a dusky sea,

    When half the horizon's clouded and half free.

    Fluttering between the dun wave and the sky

    Is hope's last gleam in man's extremity.

    Her anchor parts ! but still her snowy sail

    Attracts our eye amidst the rudest gale;

    Though every wave she climbs divides us more,

    The heart still follows from the loneliest shore.

    (The Island)

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 6, 2003 - 08:44 am
    Mancunian......Your little island sounds idyllic, from the perspective a land-locked midwesterner.

    " I was a child, and she was a child, in that kingdom by the sea,

    I, and my Annabel Lee."

    annafair
    February 6, 2003 - 11:07 am
    Thanks so much for your posting. Being a midwestener originally I find living near the ocean is such a joy. Of course I did live almost on the banks of the mighty Missisip' and loved to go on the river boats...While I dont relish boating on the ocean I never tire of watching it.

    In trying to find a poem to share today I found a new author to me and am sharing his poem.....

     
    UPON ECKINGTON BRIDGE, RIVER AVON
     

    by: A.T. Quiller-Couch

    PASTORAL heart of England! like a psalm Of green days telling with a quiet beat-- O wave into the sunset flowing calm! O tirèd lark descending on the wheat! Lies it all peace beyond the western fold Where now the lingering shepherd sees his star Rise upon Malvern? Paints an Age of Gold Yon cloud with prophecies of linkèd ease-- Lulling this Land, with hills drawn up like knees, To drowse beside her implements of war?
     

    Man shall outlast his battles. They have swept Avon from Naseby Field to Savern Ham; And Evesham's dedicated stones have stepp'd Down to the dust with Montfort's oriflamme. Nor the red tear nor the reflected tower Abides; but yet these elegant grooves remain, Worn in the sandstone parapet hour by hour By labouring bargemen where they shifted ropes; E'en so shall men turn back from violent hopes To Adam's cheer, and toil with spade again.
     

    Ay, and his mother Nature, to whose lap Like a repentant child at length he hies, Nor in the whirlwind or the thunder-clap Proclaims her more tremendous mysteries: But when in winter's grave, bereft of light, With still, small voice divinelier whispering --Lifting the green head of the aconite, Feeding with sap of hope the hazel-shoot-- She feels God's finger active at the root, Turns in her sleep, and murmurs of the Spring.

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 6, 2003 - 11:38 am
    Annafair..........One of your favorite poems must be "Ol Man River".

    "Ol Man River......he must know sump'in

    He don't say nuthin'

    He jes keeps rollin' along."

    Fred C Dobbs
    February 6, 2003 - 12:59 pm
    "Yesterday, the moon was blue, and every crazy day,

    Brought something new to do.

    I used my magic age, as if it were a wand,

    And never saw the waste and emptiness beyond."

    annafair
    February 7, 2003 - 07:55 am
    You are so right! I just sang all the words to Ole Man River....well I sort of sang them since I really cannot carry a tune. I was blessed with a husband who could sing and did but understood and never asked me to stop singing. He knew when I sang I was happy so it gave him inner joy to hear me even if his ears would cringe at my off key renditions.

    I lived near St Louis until I married at 22 and followed my husband and his career as a pilot in the USAF........but I am glad to be here now in VA where I have mountains, plains and ocean.

    When I was little a group would gather on summer evenings on the wide front steps of our house. We played all sorts of games and one of the older girls would tell ghost stories when it was really dark. The other day I thought of that and how she always started with a poem. I looked in up and am sharing the first verse ..since that is the only one she recited and the only one I remembered. anna

     
    LITTLE ORPHANT ANNIE
     

    by: James Whitcomb Riley (1849-1916)

    INSCRIBED WITH ALL FAITH AND AFFECTION
     

    To all the little children: -- The happy ones; and sad ones; The sober and the silent ones; the boisterous and glad ones; The good ones -- Yes, the good ones, too; and all the lovely bad ones.
     

    LITTLE Orphant Annie's come to our house to stay, An' wash the cups an' saucers up, an' brush the crumbs away, An' shoo the chickens off the porch, an' dust the hearth, an' sweep, An' make the fire, an' bake the bread, an' earn her board-an'-keep; An' all us other childern, when the supper-things is done, We set around the kitchen fire an' has the mostest fun A-list'nin' to the witch-tales 'at Annie tells about, An' the Gobble-uns 'at gits you Ef you Don't Watch Out!
     

    Oh By the way ..when we were traveling east one winter we stopped in Indiana ( I think) and the only hotel in town was the James Whitcomb Riley Hotel. Our daughter was a baby and slept in a dresser drawer....

    annafair
    February 8, 2003 - 09:40 am
    By the Sea
     
    Henry Kendall
     

    THE CAVES of the sea have been troubled to-day With the water which whitens, and widens, and fills; And a boat with our brother was driven away By a wind that came down from the tops of the hills. Behold I have seen on the threshold again A face in a dazzle of hair! Do you know that she watches the rain, and the main, And the waves which are moaning there? Ah, moaning and moaning there! Now turn from your casements, and fasten your doors, And cover your faces, and pray, if you can; There are wails in the wind, there are sighs on the shores, And alas, for the fate of a storm-beaten man! Oh, dark falls the night on the rain-rutted verge, So sad with the sound of the foam! Oh, wild is the sweep and the swirl of the surge; And his boat may never come home! Ah, never and never come home!

    Mancunian
    February 8, 2003 - 07:09 pm
    I am very interested in James Whitcomb Riley. The 'Hoosier Poet' so well known for his poems about children. Little Orphant Annie reminded me of when I was away at school all those years ago. Quite young and very wide eyed when the older girls would tell us ghost stories. When wanting to go somewhere in the middle of the night we younger children would wake up each other so we could go together in safety. The night lights were dim and ghostly. We can find some more of his poems to read.

    Thank you Anna for the next poem as well 'By the Sea' .. I have spent so many days and nights during bad weather and storms, thinking of ships at sea and those who sail in them.

    A friend Barbara Beatty has kindly allowed me to print this, one of her many poems.

    NATURE'S TREASURE

    For all to see Heaven's jewelled treasure

    The gold of the dying sun.

    Stars as diamonds dusting the sky

    All through day and when night has begun.

    Not clasped in a wooden chest

    Far from our love starved eyes,

    But flung abroad like jewelled dust

    For ever changing beautiful skies.

    The sun gives life-giving life to the earth,

    Stars fill the night's silver streams,

    Moon radiant serenely sails above

    Inspires us to our work and dreams.

    Heavenly treasure scattered abroad

    There for the asking always free,

    Loving creation of a gracious Lord

    Loveliest jewels to behold and see.

    annafair
    February 10, 2003 - 09:50 am
    Thanks for the poem.. it reminds me of the many nights when I would stay outdoors just to watch the stars. I always thought they looked like jewels and the planets the brightest of them all. I am not sure my grandchildren see the same things I have seen in nature.

    James Whitcomb Riley wrote a number of poems in a down home dialect, and I still love them.

    Please thank your friend for allowing us the pleasure of reading her poem. When I tell others about Seniornet and especially about the books and literature section they are always amazed to find we share with friends and repeat FRIENDS ...from all over the world. If nothing else the computer and the internet opens us to other places and people and I thank those who made it possible. It thrills me to know there are people just like me everywhere, who love poetry, who love literature and are willing to share their thoughts and hearts with me. Thanks...anna

    annafair
    February 10, 2003 - 09:52 am
    Is just around the corner so I have tried to find poems appropiate ..here is one .....anna

     
    Sir John Harrington  
    
     
    [Dear, I to thee this diamond commend]
     

    Dear, I to thee this diamond commend, In which a model of thyself I send. How just unto thy joints this circlet sitteth, So just thy face and shape my fancy fitteth. The touch will try this ring of purest gold, My touch tries thee, as pure though softer mold. That metal precious is, the stone is true, As true, and then how much more precious you. The gem is clear, and hath nor needs no foil, Thy face, nay more, thy fame is free from soil. You'll deem this dear, because from me you have it, I deem your faith more dear, because you gave it. This pointed diamond cuts glass and steel, Your love's like force in my firm heart I feel. But this, as all things else, time wastes with wearing, Where you my jewels multiply with bearing.

    3kings
    February 11, 2003 - 01:28 am
    A bit gloomy, perhaps. But then I feel gloomy this evening. Perhaps hearing too much of the world's nastiness....

    from AN ESSAY ON MAN

    Know then thyself, presume not God to scan;
    The proper study of Mankind is Man.
    Plac'd on this isthmus of a middle state,
    A being darkly wise, and rudely great:
    With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
    With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
    He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest,
    In doubt to deem himself a God, or Beast;
    In doubt his mind or body to prefer,
    Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
    Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
    Whether he thinks too little, or too much:
    Chaos of Thought and Passion, all confus'd;
    Still by himself abus'd, or disabus'd;
    Created half to rise, and half to fall;
    Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
    Sole judge of Truth, in endless Error hurl'd;
    The glory, jest, and riddle of the world.

    Alexander Pope.

    MaryPage
    February 11, 2003 - 03:09 pm
    So true, TREVOR, but the world refuses to consider this.

    annafair
    February 11, 2003 - 04:12 pm
    I understand ...I feel so down sometimes with all the nastiness in the world as you say. Even a sunny day in our cold winter doesnt make me feel better. Sometimes I feel television was a mistake.. bad news comes instantly and good news lags behind. The immediacy of TV puts everyone in the middle of every evil and it is hard to believe that God is in His Heaven and ALL is right with the world. I am going to post in a minute one of my favorite love poems ...and I am going to keep the TV off and pretend the world IS GOING TO GET BETTER//////thanks for sharing Pope's Words.anna

    annafair
    February 11, 2003 - 04:14 pm
     
    A Red, Red Rose
     
    by Robert Burns 
     

    O my luve's like a red, red rose. That's newly sprung in June; O my luve's like a melodie That's sweetly play'd in tune.
     

    As fair art thou, my bonnie lass, So deep in luve am I; And I will love thee still, my Dear, Till a'the seas gang dry.
     

    Till a' the seas gang dry, my Dear, And the rocks melt wi' the sun: I will luve thee still, my Dear, While the sands o'life shall run.
     

    And fare thee weel my only Luve! And fare thee weel a while! And I will come again, my Luve, Tho' it were ten thousand mile!

    Mancunian
    February 12, 2003 - 08:59 am
    I do hope the feeling of gloom has now passed Trevor. We are made so much more aware of sadnesses and worries of the world .. as you say Anna through the medium of TV. The evils have always been there .. they are the burdens of mankind. We look for the good and we certainly can find so much to hearten us. Today I found a very tiny but beautiful and perfectly shaped bird's nest on the ground. The young obviously had fledged but I noticed that interwoven was grey white horse hair. It must have been from Danny's mane or tail. Danny is a Connimara stallion who grazes in our paddock. So friendly and absolutely unaware of his contribution to the comfort of tiny baby birds. Anna .. I love so many of Robbie Burns' poems. A Red,Red Rose is one of them .. such a tender love poem.

    For Valentine's Day I simply cannot resist Shakespeare' famous sonnet.

    SHALL I COMPARE THEE TO A SUMMER'S DAY?

    Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?

    Thou art more lovely and more temperate.

    Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,

    And Summer's lease hath all too short a date.

    Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,

    And often his gold complexion dimm'd;

    And every fair from fair sometimes declines,

    By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd.

    But thy eternal summer shall not fade

    Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow'st;

    Nor shall Death brag thou wander'st in his shade,

    When in eternal lines to time thou grow'st.

    So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,

    So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.

    All of my good wishes .. Marjorie searching for more poetry to read on this very lovely site Anna.

    MaryPage
    February 12, 2003 - 04:51 pm
    Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
        And like enough thou know'st thy estimate: 
    
    The charter of thy worth gives thee releasing; 
    
    My bonds in thee are all determinate. 
    
    For how do I hold thee but by thy granting? 
    
    And for that riches, where is my deserving? 
    
    The cause of this fair gift in me is wanting, 
    
    And so my patent back again is swerving. 
    
    Thyself thou gav'st, thy own worth then not knowing, 
    
    Or me, to whom thou gav'st it, else mistaking; 
    
    So thy great gift, upon misprision growing, 
    
    Comes home again, on better judgment making. 
    
       Thus have I had thee, as a dream doth flatter 
    
       In sleep a King; but waking, no such matter.

    Mancunian
    February 12, 2003 - 07:18 pm
    Ah yes Mary .. another .. so beautiful. Love it. I shall look for some of Rupert Brooke's poetry from his young days and WW1. He was so young to die but not by war but by illness. He did become the object in later years of intense admiration of so many sixth form school girls.

    3kings
    February 13, 2003 - 03:33 am
    Yesterday evening, I, still feeling out of joint with the world and its worries, took Wisia in the car round to the long strip of land between the road and the harbour that the council has set aside as a sanctuary for sea birds.The tide lapped gently on the shore as we wandered on, just we two, and the sleepy birds not even stirring as we strolled along. The walk is a good three miles from end to end, the last mile just a rough track around the bay, giving good views of the dark western hills sharp edged against the twilight.

    The walk in the dusk and half moonlight restored my interest in things again, and when home looked for a poem that matched my feelings, but all I found was this by Byron...

    So we'll go no more a-roving
    So late into the night,
    Though the heart be still as loving,
    And the moon be still as bright.

    For the sword outwears its sheath,
    And the soul wears out the breast.
    And the heart must pause to breathe,
    And love itself have rest.

    Though the night was made for loving,
    And the day returns too soon,
    Yet we'll go no more a-roving
    By the light of the moon.

    George Gordon, Lord Byron.

    It is not what I was looking for, but it partly echoes what was in my mind. If only I had the gift to express my thoughts ! Trevor.

    annafair
    February 13, 2003 - 10:02 am
    I can see we are all romantics. And that is wonderful and painful both. Because we FEEL so deeply about everything. Joy becomes more joyful and sadness deeper. From here to where you are and back we have shared our communal humanity and that is a treasure this computer age gives us. anna

    annafair
    February 13, 2003 - 10:16 am
    Once I knew how to make that red but cant recall so think RED...this is a favorite of mine. My husband and I repeated our vows on our 25th anniversary and we chose several poems to be incorporated into the service.
      
    Elizabeth Barrett Browning (1806-1861) 
    
     
    Sonnets from the Portuguese 43: How do I Love thee?
     

    How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. I love thee to the depth and breadth and height My soul can reach, when feeling out of sight For the ends of Being and ideal Grace. I love thee to the level of everyday's Most quiet need, by sun and candlelight. I love thee freely, as men strive for Right; I love thee purely, as they turn from Praise. I love thee with the passion put to use In my old griefs, and with my childhood's faith. I love thee with a love I seemed to lose With my lost saints,--I love thee with the breath, Smiles, tears, of all my life!--and, if God choose, I shall but love thee better after death.

    Marvelle
    February 13, 2003 - 12:26 pm
    This is plain red. To make this red in your message you would type as follows (but spelling the word font correctly):

    <fnt color=red>

    To unmake the red, it's </fnt>

    Hi Anna, I've been away for a while and I've just read a lot of beautiful messages and poems in this poetry discussion. Wonderful to read and savor.

    How sweet the moonlight sleeps upon this bank!

    Here will we sit, and let the sounds of music

    Creep in our ears -- soft stillness and the night

    Become the touches of sweet harmony:
    Sit Jessica, -- look how the floor of heaven

    Is thick inlaid with patens of bright gold...

    William Shakespeare
    The Merchant of Venice, 5.1

    .
    Marvelle

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 13, 2003 - 03:24 pm
    This is a lovely 'love' poem by D. Sutton
    Love Like This

    Love
    Breaks over the shore of our being
    Like a great surf,
    Its power primordial.

    What did we know of life
    Until it swept over us,
    Its depths and mysteries,
    Wild kisses of the winds,
    Moments, becalmed,
    When spray stood still,
    Sun warmed?

    In us,
    Elements conspired.
    Moon, sun, sand, sea,
    Converged,
    Tossing two laughing souls
    On a holy beach.

    Union, communion,
    Dreamed, undreamed-
    Love like this
    Captures the cosmos in its kiss.

    Mancunian
    February 16, 2003 - 10:07 pm
    Valentine's Day must have been a truly lovely day for many. It used to be known as St Valentine's Day. His feast day was February 14 but eventually he was omitted from the calender of saints as probably being non existent .. but his name is carried on. Rupert Brooke's love poems seem so sad. I think he had some disappointments.

    There is a poem written by Rosemary Bendt which I am very fond of. "NANCY HANKS" .. Nancy Hanks was the mother of Abraham Lincoln, she and her husband Thomas Lincoln lived in Kentucky and then Indiana. They were extremely poor and Nancy's last home was a hut with only three sides. We cannot picture the hardships they endured. Nancy died in 1818 when her son Abraham was only a little boy of nine.. He became the President of the United States of America at the time of the American Civil War. He gave his country the leadership it needed and is regarded as one of the great men in the history of the world.

    ..................

    If Nancy Hanks

    Came back as a ghost,

    Seeking news

    Of what she loved the most,

    She'd ask first

    "Where's my son?

    What's happened to Abe?

    What's he done? ....

    "Poor little Abe,

    Left all aloe

    Except for Tom

    Who's a rolling stone.

    He was only nine

    The year I died.

    I remember still

    How hard he cried. ....

    Scraping along

    In a little shack

    With hardly a shirt

    To cover his back,

    And a prairie wind

    To blow him down,

    Or pinching times

    If he went to town. ....

    You wouldn't know

    About my son?

    Did he grow tall?

    Did he have fun?

    Did he learn to read?

    Did he get to town?

    Do you know his name?

    Did he get on?

    ..............................

    Looking forward to more poetry .. Many best wishes ..Marjorie

    MaryPage
    February 17, 2003 - 06:50 am
    MARJORIE, I haven't read that one in years. Thank you. Here is one written by Margaret H. Bacon and titled Rebirth. The poem by Rosemary Bendt made me think of and run to my files to pull out this one.

    When she met with the others
    They talked about their sons 
    
    John was doing well in trade 
    
    And had three children, the 
    
    Oldest, ready for bar mitzvah! 
    
    David had settled down at last 
    
    And married a nice girl, Miriam 
    
    A babe was on its way. 
    
    They never asked about her son 
    
    But she knew they knew 
    
    No wife, no child, no work 
    
    Just wandering, long haired 
    
    And barefoot with a ragged 
    
    Crew, talking wildly, people said. 
    
    And he had shown such promise as 
    
    A boy!  She heard their thoughts 
    
    Finally, she stopped meeting them. 
    
    Alone, she could reach deep into 
    
    Herself, and remember all those 
    
    Things she had kept, and pondered 
    
    In her heart.  Then, as on that 
    
    Starry night, Faith was reborn. 
    

    annafair
    February 17, 2003 - 08:17 pm
    Our promised storm passed us by with enough chilling rain to float an ark...a wee bit of snow, sleet and ice..which for me was enough to suffice. To those who felt the brunt of this February storm I hope it will soon be over and the weather will turn warm..the sun will shine and the robins return ..for I have had enough of winter this time.

    Oh thank you all for the wonderful poems. We prepared for the storm and my family who lives 3 hours north recieved about a foot. Of course the news is all about the amount ..I hope you who live in a sunny clime will send a bit our way..

    I spent some time trying to find just the right poem to share..but somehow none struck me and so I must promise to do better ..The sun is supposed to shine tomorrow and the temperature reach 40...I have stayed indoors now for five days and am hoping the sunshine will cheer me. Your posts did that.

    Marvelle I am so glad to see you here. I was going to call you but since I felt a bit down I decided not ...THANKS so much for the RED ADVICE >>>>hugs to all ..anna

    Marvelle
    February 17, 2003 - 11:31 pm
    Anna, here's a poem that I've always liked. I don't remember if I've shared this before:

    The Navajo Horse Story

    -- Anonymous, translator Louis Watchman

    My horse with a mane made of short rainbows.

    My horse with ears of round corn.

    My horse with eyes made of big stars.

    My horse with a head made of mixed waters.

    My horse with teeth made of white shell.

    The long rainbow is in his mouth for a bridle

    And with it I guide him.

    When my horse neighs,

    Different coloured horses follow.

    When my horse neighs,

    Different coloured sheep follow.

    I am wealthy because of him.

    Before me peaceful

    Behind me peaceful

    Under me peaceful

    Over me peaceful --

    Peaceful voice when he neighs.

    I am everlasting and peaceful

    I stand for my horse.

    Marvelle

    Marvelle
    February 17, 2003 - 11:40 pm
    A poem of wish and anticipation in the certainty of change.

    Late Snow-Flakes

    -- Kiyowara No Fukayabu

    "O Wind, if Winter comes,

    can Spring be far behind?"

    Down through the winter air

    In crowds come fluttering

    Flowers white beyond compare . . .

    Back of these clouds somewhere

    Surely there must be Spring.

    Marvelle

    Mancunian
    February 18, 2003 - 07:38 pm
    Mary .. Margaret H. Bacon's 'Rebirth' brought many thoughts to me. A mother's feeling ! Thank you for that. And the Navajo Horse .. reminded me of our very beautiful Kanamarra wild horses in New Zealand .. such free spirits. Your next poem 'Late Snow Flakes' Marvelle is so apt for the blizzards around New York just now. This next one from Shakespeare was a favourite in my young days when I really knew the cold.

    Thank you Anna and all for such a pleasant and continuing site.

    When icicles hang by the wall

    And Dick the shepherd blows his nail

    And Tom bears logs into the hall

    And milk comes frozen home in pail,

    When blood is nipp'd and ways be foul,

    Then nightly sings the staring owl,

    Tu-whit tu-who;

    A merry note,

    While greasy Joan doth keel the pot.

    .....................

    While all aloud the wind doth blow

    And coughing drowns the parson's saw

    And birds sit brooding in the snow

    And Marion's nose looks red and raw,

    When toasted crabs hiss in the bowl

    Then nightly sings the staring owl,

    Tu-whit to-who

    A merry note

    While greasy Joan doth keel the pot/

    William Shakespeare.

    annafair
    February 18, 2003 - 08:41 pm
    Yes when I went to the door early today ,,there was robin in my holly tree....now I have to say it snowed a bit during the night and the steps were patched with ice but that robin inspected the tree to see if it was a good place to build a nest. They have built there in the past and one year when I was leaving the house four fledglings took off in formation and wheeled across the sky...It was a magnificient sight. So although I feel the robin is a harbinger of spring and glad to see him I am still caught up by the snow storm and offer this poems about same...anna

     
    The Snow Storm 
     
    Ralph Waldo Emerson 
     

    Announced by all the trumpets of the sky, Arrives the snow, and, driving o'er the fields, Seems nowhere to alight: the whited air Hides hills and woods, the river, and the heaven, And veils the farmhouse at the garden's end. The sled and traveler stopped, the courier's feet Delayed, all friends shut out, the housemates sit Around the radiant fireplace, enclosed In a tumultuous privacy of storm.
     

    Come see the north wind's masonry. Out of an unseen quarry evermore Furnished with tile, the fierce artificer Curves his white bastions with projected roof Round every windward stake, or tree, or door. Speeding, the myriad-handed, his wild work So fanciful, so savage, nought cares he For number or proportion. Mockingly, On coop or kennel he hangs Parian wreaths; A swan-like form invests the hidden thorn; Fills up the farmer's lane from wall to wall, Maugre the farmer's sighs; and, at the gate, A tapering turret overtops the work. And when his hours are numbered, and the world Is all his own, retiring, as he were not, Leaves, when the sun appears, astonished Art To mimic in slow structures, stone by stone, Built in an age, the mad wind's night-work, The frolic architecture of the snow.

    annafair
    February 18, 2003 - 08:43 pm
    Marvelle your poem is new to me but wonderful. While I do not ride I love to see a horse moving across the land. With its mane flowing and its tail waving it is really a magnifcient animal...and it always seems free in a way that makes me a bit envious.

    "Can Spring be far behind?" well I hope not I have never been as ready for spring as this year.

    MArjorie you offered one of my favorite poems. We discussed Shakespeare in my poetry class today and all agreed how much we admire and love his works. And the older we become we admire him more. Perhaps some of it becomes more familiar ...I dont know but have to agree his works are special....

    smiles across the miles .........anna

    annafair
    February 19, 2003 - 10:17 am
    A couple of years ago we had a dreary winter..perhaps winter is always dreary ...although when I was young it was a wonderful time. Leaving the snow shoveling and keeping the fires burning and all the work to my parents perhaps made it a great time.

    Yesterday and today again the robins are everywhere. In the earth turned last fall..now bare of snow and with greening happening the robins were out early pecking at the ground, listening for the earthworms to awake. I remembered I wrote a poem, not a deathless one but one that pleased me in 2000..and will share it with you. Perhaps you know a really good one you can share...anna

     
    This morning as I approached my door  
    I peeked as is my usual thing  
    To see what kind of day   
    The Lord did bring  
    There upon my lawn  
    Oh blessed sight  
    Two sassy Robins  
    Their red breasts glowing  
    In morning light  
    My hearing is impaired 'tis true  
    But I did not need to hear  
    Their notes falling on the cool still air 
    Ears are but a body part  
    I heard them in my soul  
    Their notes clear within my heart  
    Winter may be reluctant to depart  
    No matter because I know  
    Spring is near  
    I have seen her heralds  
    The robins in my yard......
     

    anna alexander 2/20/00 all rights reserved

    Oh what joy the robin brings!

    I guess this line was added as an after thought but a robin tells me spring is near and that is JOY!

    Mancunian
    February 19, 2003 - 12:00 pm
    Thank you for those words Anna .. how I wish I could put words together in that way. Now I am awake (still with sleep in my eyes) I am needing to look for some lovely robin (that most cheerful little fellow) poetry which I know I have somewhere among those 'book mounds and shelves'. Off to search.

    Mancunian
    February 19, 2003 - 06:03 pm
    I coulddn't find the poem I was thinking about .. "The North wind doth blow and we shall have snow .. And what will the robin do then poor thing?" I'm fairly sure of the words but only fairly. So here is one by Thomas Hardy

    SNOW IN THE SUBURBS

    Every branch big with it,

    Bent every twig with it,

    Every fork like a white web-foot;

    Every street and pavement mute:

    Some flakes have lost their way, and grope back upward, when

    Meeting those meandering down they turn and descend again,

    The palings are glued together like a wall.

    And there is no waft of wind with the fleecy fall.

    ........

    A sparrow enters the tree

    Whereon immediately

    A snow-lump thrice his own slight size

    Descends on him, and showers his head and eyes.

    And overturns him,

    And near inurns him,

    And lights on a nether twig, when its brush

    Starts off a volley of other lodging lumps with a rush.

    ......

    The steps are a blanched slope

    Up which, with feeble hope,

    A black cat comes, wide eyed and thin,

    And we take him in.

    THOMAS HARDY ... 1840 - 1928

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 19, 2003 - 08:21 pm
    What a palaver of wonderful poetry - the snow and cold has really trapped so many inside their homes - reminds me of the old saying about Cabin Fever - Spring started here about five weeks ago but it is a cold rainy spring - Things are blooming all over town and although I lost my wonderful large Redbud three years ago my neighbor has one that grew wild against our shared fence - its magenta blossoms are opening now.

    Well here is my latest -
    Floating Notes

    Listen -
    wind and rain,
    still a little cold
    grays the day
    within my window scene.
    My hands hold
    warm fragrant
    morning coffee,
    while a willow twig
    softens.

    Listen -
    Tiny sounds,
    Robins and Jays
    color the gray
    tree limb blown
    center stage on the lawn.
    My telephone rings,
    in a split second
    lie ten thousand miles
    adrift.

    Listen -
    a gust blew,
    peach blossoms
    open to the mist
    high in the silver sky.
    I am old,
    picking shallot greens
    singing of life
    under drifting petals
    alone.

    annafair
    February 19, 2003 - 09:19 pm
    And the mystery...your quote about the North Wind is nagging me I know I know where it comes from but it just hides on the edge of my memory ....And I feel with Thomas Hardy ..I too have brought in a bedraggled cat caught in the cold rain ...we named him Joshua and he had a fairly long life and gave us great joy.

    There are so many good poems and only when I read your posts am I reminded again how many poems I have missed and how many I have enjoyed..thanks ...anna

    annafair
    February 19, 2003 - 09:26 pm
    First let me tell you I am glad spring has arrived there...my robins tell me it will soon be here too. Today was sunny and I looked out at my garden, anxious to start cleaning it for the new season.

    Barbara you have such a talent. I see through your eyes and feel the warmth of the coffee and your day ...you are so good to share with us and I thank you ...anna

    annafair
    February 19, 2003 - 09:33 pm
    My daffodils are up about 4 inches...we are expecting rain for tomorrow and several other days this week...we can use the rain here and between the snow and rain our reservoirs should be filled. Three years of drought had lowered them to less than 65% and the last time it was reported before all the snow and rain ..they were now 95% so the new rain should fill it to the brim.

    Of course seeing the daffodils so high reminded me of the great poem about them...so here is is ..anna

     
    "The Daffodils"
      
      I wandered lonely as a cloud  
    That floats on high o'er vales and hills,  
    When all at once I saw a crowd,  
    A host of golden daffodils,  
    Beside the lake, beneath the trees  
    Fluttering and dancing in the breeze. 
     

    Continuous as the stars that shine And twinkle on the milky way, They stretched in never-ending line Along the margin of a bay: Ten thousand saw I at a glance Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.
     

    The waves beside them danced, but they Out-did the sparkling waves in glee: A poet could not but be gay In such a jocund company! I gazed - and gazed - but little thought What wealth the show to me had brought:
     

    For oft, when on my couch I lie In vacant or in pensive mood, They flash upon that inward eye Which is the bliss of solitude; And then my heart with pleasure fills, And dances with the daffodils.
     

    —William Wordsworth

    Mancunian
    February 20, 2003 - 01:45 am
    More delights .. Barbara I joined you in spirit listening to the wind and rain and the robins and the jays .. the fragrance of the coffee became almost real. Thank you ..

    Anna .. 'The Daffodils' from William Wordsworth .. I am trying to remember which lake in the Lake District in England he was walking beside and which inspired him to write The Daffodils. I remember during my school days singing in the school choir 'The Daffodils' put to rather lovely music. I remember it very clearly and have never been able to find someone since who also remembers it musically.

    I look forward so much to more and more poetry.

    MaryPage
    February 20, 2003 - 05:59 am
    Just lovely, BARBARA.

    My memory often calls up "The North wind will blow, and we shall have snow. Where will poor Robin go?" I cannot remember the verse or author.

    Mancunian
    February 20, 2003 - 07:08 pm
    Ah! here it is .. a nursery rhyme I think with a hard to find author.

    The North Wind doth blow,

    And we shall have snow,

    And what will the robin do then poor thing?

    ........

    He'll sit in the barn

    And keep himself warm

    And hide his head under his wing

    Poor thing !

    ........

    The North Wind doth blow

    And we shall have snow

    And what will the dormouse do then poor thing

    ......

    Rolled up like a ball

    In his nest snug and small

    He'll sleep till warm weather comes in

    Poor Thing.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 20, 2003 - 10:37 pm
    Oh how great - I love that you found that - The North Wind does blow Must copy it and file it - still tickles me as I read it - - -

    OK gotta share - gotta share - you know when something doesn't sit just right you keep at it and at it - well hope you aren't bored but this is the poem from the other day written so it is more of 'all of a piece' and pleases me so much more...
    Floating Notes

    Listen -
    wind and rain,
    still a little cold,
    grays the day
    within my window scene.
    My hands hold
    warm, fragrant
    morning coffee,
    while a willow twig -
    softens.

    Listen -
    Tiny sounds,
    Robins and Jays
    color the gray
    tree limb blown
    center stage, on the lawn.
    My telephone rings,
    in a split second
    lie ten thousand miles -
    adrift.

    Listen -
    a gust blew,
    Peach blossoms
    open to the mist,
    high in the silver sky.
    My mirror reflects
    a robe of red silk,
    hair growing white,
    year after year notes -
    floating.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 20, 2003 - 10:46 pm
    And on a different note entirely - there is this - it helps if you are Catholic and know that making your confession starts with a traditional opening when the priest opens the window on your side of the confessional - It goes - "Bless me Father, for I have sinned, it has been (so many days or weeks or months) since my last confession." At which point you share your mortal and venial sins.

    And so...a satirical play on words...
    A Satirical Concession

    Father, Father -
    Bless who Father?
    Do you share talking points,
    I’ve heard it all before.

    Father, Father -
    for who has sinned
    Its been so long since last
    these minor indiscretions.

    Father, Father -
    God Bless us all,
    They know not what they say,
    these shepherds of the flock.

    annafair
    February 21, 2003 - 08:28 am
    Oh My it was great to read the poem The North Wind shall blow...It delights me too and am so happy to have it all. I cant remember when I read it first ...but I never forgot the first line...how many times have I recited that line...like a pronouncement when it was winter and the north wind blew I would look out and quote that to my children. They most likely thought I made it up or it was one of those old wives sayings.. THANKS THANKS Marjorie for taking the time to find it for us.........anna

    annafair
    February 21, 2003 - 08:31 am
    Well I wouldnt have believed you could improve an already great poem but you did and made it greater...thanks for sharing your poem for I know when you write poetry you are sharing your deeper self so it is truly a gift to share it. anna

    annafair
    February 21, 2003 - 08:34 am
    It is always good to see you here or anywhere on seniornet. I think of you in MD and wonder if you thought about that poem when your area was swallowed by snow. We had so little the last time but frankly it was enough to satisfy my snow hunger for another year...hugs to you ...anna (I have met MaryPage in person and she is a delightful lady, you would all enjoy knowing)

    annafair
    February 21, 2003 - 08:40 am
    This morning I received an email from one of my brothers telling me his wife had died in her sleep. She was very ill and in the hospital. I knew her as a very generous, giving person who cheerfully raised her nephew when her brother died and then went on to raise several other children who needed a home. I chose the following poem to remember her...anna

     
    When Death Comes
     
    Mary Oliver 
     

    When death comes like the hungry bear in autumn; when death comes and takes all the bright coins from his purse to buy me, and snaps the purse shut; when death comes like the measles-pox;
     

    when death comes like an iceberg between the shoulder blades,
      

    I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering: what is it going to be like, that cottage of darkness?
     

    And therefore I look upon everything as a brotherhood and a sisterhood, and I look upon time as no more than an idea, and I consider eternity as another possibility,
     

    and I think of each life as a flower, as common as a field daisy, and as singular,
      

    and each name a comfortable music in the mouth tending as all music does, toward silence,
     

    and each body a lion of courage, and something precious to the earth.
     

    When it's over, I want to say: all my life I was a bride married to amazement. I was the bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.
     

    When it is over, I don't want to wonder if I have made of my life something particular, and real. I don't want to find myself sighing and frightened, or full of argument.
     

    I don't want to end up simply having visited this world.

    MaryPage
    February 21, 2003 - 01:39 pm
    That is a beautiful good-bye to your sister-in-law, ANNA. How well we all know the heavy leaden sadness that fills the heart at such news. My condolences, Dear Heart. with a hug from MP

    Mancunian
    February 21, 2003 - 11:49 pm
    A big hug from me too Annafair .. family gaps don't ever fill but stay there for memories to live in.

    This from John Montgomery ..

    There is a world above

    Where parting is unknown.

    A whole eternity of love

    Form'd for the good alone.

    And faith beholds the dying here

    Translated to that happier sphere.

    Much love to you Anna and to your brother and his family.

    annafair
    February 22, 2003 - 05:31 pm
    It was a perfect day here to be sad..dreary with rain and later Thunderstorms. Even with the benefit of electic lighting it seemed the inside was dreary as well.

    I wanted to find a poem to share and found one of Emily Dickinson's and I post it here...

     

    Emily Dickinson
     
     - A Cap of Lead across the sky 
     

    A Cap of Lead across the sky Was tight and surly drawn We could not find the mighty Face The Figure was withdrawn --
     

    A Chill came up as from a shaft Our noon became a well A Thunder storm combines the charms Of Winter and of Hell.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 22, 2003 - 08:03 pm
    Anna so sorry - your sister-in-law - it comes and yet we are never prepared - I hope your brother has family to help ease his transition although they are probably feeling the loss as deeply as he is. My prayers go out to you.

    annafair
    February 24, 2003 - 11:03 am
    Barbara thank you ..you are right we are never prepared. I have chosen to share a sonnet by Shakespeare that draws a line between spring and winter...anna

     
    A sonnet by William Shakespeare
     
     XCVIII
     

    From you have I been absent in the spring, When proud pied April, dressed in all his trim, Hath put a spirit of youth in every thing, That heavy Saturn laughed and leapt with him. Yet nor the lays of birds, nor the sweet smell Of different flowers in odour and in hue, Could make me any summer's story tell, Or from their proud lap pluck them where they grew: Nor did I wonder at the lily's white, Nor praise the deep vermilion in the rose; They were but sweet, but figures of delight, Drawn after you, you pattern of all those.
     

    Yet seemed it winter still, and you away, As with your shadow I with these did play.

    Mancunian
    February 25, 2003 - 09:00 pm
    A very wet and rather dreary yet happy day here in New Zealand .. happy for the flowers, the trees, and the ground .. all of whom have been pleading for water. So many in the northern hemisphere are now looking forward to spring while here we are coming to the end of our summer and soon will see the autumn colours around us.

    I wonder if "The Country Diary of an Edwardian Lady" is remembered? written and illustrated in 1906 by Edith Holden who was born in 1871, and lived in the village of Olton in Warwickshire England. In 1920 she died tragically from drowning in the Thames at Kew whilst gathering buds from chestnut trees. In her early March diary entry she entered on of her favourite poems written in early spring by William Wordsworth. ....................

    I heard a thousand blended notes

    While in a grove I sat reclined,

    In that sweet mood when pleasant thoughts

    Bring sad thoughts to the mind..

    ......

    To her fair works did Nature link

    The human soul that through me ran

    And much it grieved my heart to think

    What man has made of man.

    ......

    Through primrose tufts in that green bower

    The periwinkle trailed its wreathes,

    And tis my faith that every flower

    Enjoys the air it breathes.

    ......

    The birds around me hopped and played

    Their thoughts I cannot measure,

    But the least motion which they made,

    It seemed a thrill of pleasure.

    ......

    The budding twigs spread out their fan

    To catch the breezy air

    And I must think, do all I can,

    That there was pleasure there.

    ......

    If this belief from heaven be sent,

    If such be Nature's holy plan

    Have I not reason to lament

    What man has made of man?

    annafair
    February 25, 2003 - 09:19 pm
    You have shared a poem I read a long time ago and whose ending I have never forgot....I love reading the "old poems" from years ago they are like meeting long forgotten friends and finding they are still your friends and the same...anna

    annafair
    February 25, 2003 - 09:23 pm
    In researching some material for my class I came across her name. She is new to me and I am always pleased to "discover" a poet. So I share one of her poems I read and enjoyed. anna

     
    Silver Filigree  

    THE icicles wreathing On trees in festoon Swing, swayed to our breathing: They're made of the moon.
     

    She's a pale, waxen taper; And these seem to drip Transparent as paper From the flame of her tip.
     

    Molten, smoking a little, Into crystal they pass; Falling, freezing, to brittle And delicate glass.
     

    Each a sharp-pointed flower, Each a brief stalactite Which hangs for an hour In the blue cave of night.
     

    Elinor Wylie

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    3kings
    February 26, 2003 - 02:56 am
    MARJORIE Thanks for posting that piece by Wordsworth. I came across it last evening, and being tired, set it aside to post this evening. Surprise! I found you have forestalled me! Great minds....

    Here is one by Hone Tuwhare

    When the city lights went up, an orange
    peeping-tom balloon floated out beyond
    a hills ear; a formless shadow, single
    and eternal, reluctantly made two.

    Pursued
    by lurch and lurid screech
    of tram, and cheeky blare of horns
    we hurried past neoned doorways
    to the harbour's edge where quaking
    shadows cringe to the wave's chuckle
    and slap.

    And I laid siege to lips
    that were at once as hard
    and as soft as butterscotch
    and caramels; felt again the merest
    butterfly fingertipping my face.
    In your eyes the wit and sparkle
    of the moon's play on sea.

    Hoarse rattle of chains
    and the anguished bell:
    Ferry-boat hoot and creak
    of rope and pile, ourselves
    engulfed
    in the jewel-hissing wake
    of the screws churn.

    O let us turn again to the forsaken city;
    the domed skull a clock-tower gonging
    her quartered hours away: and far, far off
    in the ribboned yard, an iron horse snorting
    a fury.

    Mancunian
    February 26, 2003 - 07:28 pm
    It is strange Trevor how "us" great minds think alike (teasing of course) .. we used to say twig and crook our little fingers together and make a wish. But you are too far away Trevor .. Love to both you and Wisia. Perhaps Hone is reminding us of those 1950s trips to Waiheke Island?

    A little levity here from Ogden Nash ...

    THE PURIST

    I give you now Professor Twist,

    A conscientious scientist.

    Trustees exclaimed, "He never bungles!"

    And sent him off to distant jungles.

    Camped on a tropic riverside,

    One day he missed his loving bride.

    She had, the guide informed him later,

    Been eaten by an alligator.

    Professor Twist could not but smile.

    "You mean," he said, "a crocodile."

    annafair
    February 27, 2003 - 09:43 pm
    Trevor I think you have shared Hones poems before...I love some of his words..they are great and ones I would never have thought of but reading them though HOW PERFECT...hills ear,cheeky blare,hoarse rattle, and of course the description of the kiss.....perfect I shall remember that the next time I am kissed...caramel and butterscotch..thanks for sharing that..

    Marjorie I have always liked Ogden Nash and thank you for bringing him to us....anna

    annafair
    February 27, 2003 - 09:50 pm
    Winter just seems to be relentless this year. Here in SE in Virginia we are used to breaks in the cold and this year it seems winter is telling us..HA Will you now wish for me when July singes your brow and sears the sky???

    Perhaps not but I know I am ready for SPRING ...My daffodils are up about 6 inches, I can see the dogwood buds are ripening , grass is greening, the robins have arrived NOW WHERE IS SPRING...I have to tell you winter is a stone around my neck so I looked for a poem about March and here is the one I found......anna

     
    Dear March, Come In!
     

    by Emily Dickinson
     

    Dear March, come in! How glad I am! I looked for you before. Put down your hat— You must have walked— How out of breath you are! Dear March, how are you? And the rest? Did you leave Nature well? Oh, March, come right upstairs with me, I have so much to tell!
      

    I got your letter, and the bird’s; The maples never knew That you were coming,—I declare, How red their faces grew! But, March, forgive me— And all those hills You left for me to hue; There was no purple suitable, You took it all with you.
      

    Who knocks? That April! Lock the door! I will not be pursued! He stayed away a year, to call When I am occupied. But trifles look so trivial As soon as you have come, That blame is just as dear as praise And praise as mere as blame.

    annafair
    February 28, 2003 - 10:01 am
    Found this and decided it seems to be what I am hearing from family and friends who have had enough snow, ice, cold and dreary weather. Have we really become so addicted to nice weather and warm homes we can no longer appreciate the winter? I guess for many that is true! Remind me when I complain about the HOT summer! Here 'tis and I hope it brings a smile...anna

     
    Poem for Spring
     
    In the week they announced the south of England was having  
    its finest ever Spring, the worst blizzards of the winter 
    arrived in the Highlands. Here’s what one (anonymous)  
    Merkinch poet thought of that! 
     

    In Surrey where the song thrush sings This is the earliest of springs; The crocus knows no bounds it seems The sun, once timid, warmly beams.
      

    Out on the golf course, violets thrive; Such global warming keeps alive Their joie de vivre. What a shame The rest of Britain ain’t so tame.
      

    In Wales there’s floods, in Yorkshire too Poor Cornwall’s drownded west of Looe; Glasgow’s entirely blown away (Perhaps it will come back some day).
      

    But in the Highlands, worst of all, We’ve rarely seen the sun since fall Here no buds burst, no capercailles Serenade their loves thrice daily.
      

    For months and months, wet sleet and freak Storms and blizzards, gales that wreak Much havoc for us shivering natives And all our friends and rela-ta-tives.
     

    Why don’t we winter in the Med Before our blood turns into lead? Why don’t we leave the rain, the ice? Pack up and settle somewhere nice?
     

    But wait, the sun’s come out at last, An easing of the wintry blast. What if the drifts won’t melt away: Here I am and here I stay!

    Mancunian
    February 28, 2003 - 03:57 pm
    "March winds and April showers bring forth the May flowers" Ah yes Anna it is really a wonderful time of the year .. looking towards spring and the warm, balmy days of summer. But MARCH first and here are a few snippets to help you on the way.

    Welcome O March

    Whose kindly days and dry

    Make April ready for the throstle's song.

    (from William Morris .. EARTHLY PARADISE)

    ..........................

    March damp and warm

    Doth the farmer much harm

    But a March without water

    Dowers the farmer's daughter. (Anon)

    annafair
    February 28, 2003 - 08:00 pm
    It would seem March will continue to be courted by winter....a new winter storm is expected next weekend...and we do need water for summer so I guess we cant complain...in some areas the 3 year drought has ended....so it is better (most of the time) to have more than less.

    What I miss most is kite flying which March seemed to welcome. It was a rite of March when I was little to put together a kite and fly it ...I never see them now...oh perhaps at the beach in a specialty shop and they cost a small fortune...is my age showing?

    anna

    Mancunian
    March 1, 2003 - 01:03 am
    Not at all Anna .. I live on a hill and a kite is just what we like to fly when the wind is just right. When I lived on Kawau Island we used to fly a kite from the end of our jetty (pier) which jutted out from our house on the water. There was always a wind from the sea to lift the kite. After we first flew one it was great just seeing everyone following suit.

    WHO HAS SEEN THE WIND?

    Who has seen the wind?

    Neither I nor you;

    But when the leaves hang trembling

    The wind is passing thro'

    ...

    Who has seen the wind?

    Neither you nor I,

    But when the trees bow down their heads

    The wind is passing by.

    CHRISTINA ROSSETTI

    I do love this site Anna and always look forward to the poetry that comes along. Hope lots continue joining in.

    patwest
    March 1, 2003 - 07:42 am
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