Poetry ~ 2006 Part 3 2007 Part 1
patwest
September 30, 2006 - 04:23 pm
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WELCOME

The Winds of March make it an exceptional month and here in poetry we will introduce an exceptional poet of today. Timothy Steele is called " one of the finest contemporary poets to write in meter and traditional forms" A native of Vermont he now makes his home in Los Angeles and is a professor of English at California State University in that city.

A graduate of Stanford , he earned his Ph.D at Brandeis . His honors include a Guggenheim Fellowship , a Peter I. B. Lavan Younger Poets Award from the Academy of American Poets, the Los Angeles PEN Center’s :Literary Award for Poetry and a Commonwealth Club of California Medal for Poetry.

I am thankful to Barbara St Aubrey for suggesting Timothy Steele and know we will enjoy his poetry. So WELCOME TIMOTHY STEELE To Seniornet and the Poetry Discussion We are glad to have you.
Interview by Cynthia L. Haven in Cortland Review, June 2000
Timothy Steele's Homepage
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Just to remind you we will be reading the poems of Ogden Nash and Dorothy Parker in April. As usual posters are allowed to post a favorite poem for other poets or one of their own.


Would like some suggestions for poet of the month for 2007.   I haven't run out of poets but would like to hear some of your favorites you would enjoy studying for a month.

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patwest
September 30, 2006 - 05:26 pm
A new page for our October Poet, Ted Kooser.

Annafair will be along shortly.

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annafair
September 30, 2006 - 07:06 pm
We had over 700 posts for this month and since we are starting a new poet and one who will graciously drop by and say hello it was thought best to give us a new start.. If you have missed something please do check the archives link listed near the top of this discussion heading. When I email Mr Kooser to tell him he is welcome any time to post in our discussion I am going to tell him you are not only astute and wonderful but prolific ..and we are starting at the beginning just for his poetry.

I have a poem but I can't believe I forgot to put it in edit so will return and do so. . . in the meantime I hope you will be reading some of his poems online. See the links in the heading above.

I thought I would go to B&N today for my books but wouldn't you know I had to wait for the Roto Rooter man to unstop my shower !!! Some days it doesn't pay to get up!

Every month I keep thinking that we can't top the previous month's poet but we do!

Back later but anyone who comes by please feel free to post your Ted Kooser poem ...dont wait for me. This is a joint effort ..thanks again for making it so.,.,anna

annafair
September 30, 2006 - 07:33 pm
I love it when a poem I read reminds me of something special in my own life ..Returning from Okinawa we saw two sunrises that day , the first on Okinawa and as we headed east we saw another and in between the heavens ..and is proof that somethings are forever...anna

Flying at Night
Above us, stars. Beneath us, constellations.
Five billion miles away, a galaxy dies
like a snowflake falling on water. Below us,
some farmer, feeling the chill of that distant death,
snaps on his yard light, drawing his sheds and barn
back into the little system of his care.
All night, the cities, like shimmering novas,
tug with bright streets at lonely lights like his.


Ted Kooser

MarjV
October 1, 2006 - 05:44 am
I read "Flying..." yesterday. I was amazed at the imagery that floated right out of the words.

Then just now I thought about how we turn on lights earlier as fall in the USA brings darkness earlier and that action brings my home into my "system of care" , just as TK describes the farmer.

Welcome to Ted K !

~Marj

Alliemae
October 1, 2006 - 06:38 am
Oh anna...what an amazing sight...and thought!

"drawing his sheds and barn back into the little system of his care." (Ted Kooser via Annafair) MArj I too read some of Flying yesterday. You know actually, aside from the joy I find in waking each morning, one of my favorite parts of the day is bringing it to a close, away from the outside world...even my thoughts being drawn in away from anything outside of my own inner experiences, as in your "about how we turn on lights earlier as fall in the USA brings darkness earlier and that action brings my home into my "system of care"

The poem I chose is from Flying at Night:

I have an Aunt Helen who is in her nineties and she lives nearby my son and d-i-l and when I go up to see them this month hope and pray to see her--if she's there, I will--for she is a poet and has always been my mentor. She earned her GED at the age of 78 and shortly afterwards went to visit my cousin in Alaska and was so overwhelmed by its beauty that she began writing her poetry. She also makes the world's BEST peanut butter fudge and also sweet bread!! And she was always busy, busy, busy! The following reminded me of Aunt Helen.

Carrie

"There's never an end to dust
and dusting," my aunt would say
as her rag, like a thunderhead,
scudded across the yellow oak
of her little house. There she lived
seventy years with a ball
of compulsion closed in her fist,
and an elbow that creaked and popped
like a branch in a storm. Now dust
is her hands and dust her heart.
There's never an end to it.

I don't think there's any more that I will say just now...

Alliemae

hats
October 1, 2006 - 06:40 am
Although the stars and constellations seem a world apart from us. These wondrous galaxies, stars and constellations are, in a way close to us, working for us and deserving far more attention than they are given. I want to feel the "tug" of these orbs during mornings, nights, and all seasons.

Welcome Ted Kooser! This is an honor to be here with you.

MarjV
October 1, 2006 - 06:47 am
Alliemae: what a neat memory of your Aunty!!!! Thanks for sharing it. A remarkable woman of whom to be proud!

"Carrie" is a perfect choice to illustrate an essence of her. Those lines - her hands are dust her heart is dust - are full of humor relating to her life habits

hats
October 1, 2006 - 06:49 am
Alliemae, thank you for sharing about your Aunt Helen. The part of her life you have shared is inspiring. Aunt Helen is like Carrie.

I am reminded of my Grandma Hattie. She lived in Florida all of her life. At eighty she decided to learn how to play the piano. I have never forgotten about her willingness to take a risk and learn something new.

"There she lived seventy years" Often I think about the time when people stayed in one place. My Grandma Hattie never voiced a complaint about her little house with a water pump outside the door. Daily she cooked oatmeal for breakfast, at least, while I visited her. There is a goodness or character strength in the willingness to do over and over the same daily chore like dusting or cooking oatmeal. Also, there is something honorable in the willingness to make a house a home year after year until life's end or we become dust.

hats
October 1, 2006 - 06:54 am
MarjV, I love all of your thoughts about Flying by Night. We do bring our homes back in to our "system of care."

Alliemae
October 1, 2006 - 07:01 am
Hats I'm so glad you said that! It really does show strength of character and of all the accomplishments in this world, quite possibly the one least lauded!! (In fact...it is still something I am TRYING to do and appreciate...oh why do I dislike 'maintenance' so? It is what makes the world keep on turning, isn't it!)

""Ted Kooser is a major poetic voice for rural and small town America..."

Oh, how I look forward to this month. In autumn my thoughts always turn to 'home'...the small towns in Mass and Maine where I was raised until we came to Philly. And small town life and values are never far from my mind.

Welcome Ted Kooser...you will be with us at just the right time!

Alliemae

MarjV
October 1, 2006 - 10:41 am
Question for TK - was it an aunt that inspired the poem "Carrie".

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 1, 2006 - 11:19 am
New, New, New - I love it - a new month with a new poet to read and a new experience for us as the poet is offering to drop in among us and share a bit of himself - I love it!

We are not seeing signs of autumn yet except that it is football season with Jr. High games every Thursday evening and High School games every Friday evening and Collage games every Saturday -

The most autumn I am seeing is in the grocery stores where pots of mums, that are not yet in flower, are for sale and the crepe myrtles are no longer sending out fresh blooms - The fall flowers are not blooming and the temps during the day are still in the 90s - We still have another month of summer however, there is a stillness in the air and there are more butterflies which suggests the migration is in its early stages.

And so for me October is like December - remember when we were kids and December was the month of waiting - waiting with excitement that included all the pre-Christmas rituals - October is my month of waiting for autumn in which I have many rituals - each day I look at the garden for some changes - watch closely the weather maps to know when I must shelter the Agave and pull in the many pots - listen to the hill country news to know when I will drive over to Vanderpool [about a 5 hour drive] to hike in among the lost Maples - see the men start to pack their gear for the first day of hunting - dust off my big iron pot so that I can make some chile with the first bit of deer meat that someone offers me - and start the baking for trick and treat, Thanksgiving and start making the Christmas gifts.

Whoops, the window screen is a bit ajar and a geico just found a way in - I never could catch them and now this one will probably find a dark spot where it will die before Spring when it would have found its way outside - ah so - without little boys around it will it least die with its tail. Little boys try to catch them, of course by their long tail and the tail comes off in their hands. Wrote a haiku about this very thing some years ago - let me see if I can find it and share...
A Geico skitters
boys have grown and moved away
Geico has a tail

Scrawler
October 1, 2006 - 01:46 pm
The green shell of his backpack makes him lean
into wave after wave of responsibility,
and he swings his stiff arms and cupped hands,

paddling ahead. He has extended his neck
to its full length, and his chin, hard as a break,
breaks the cold surf. He's got his baseball cap on

backward as up he crawls, out of the froth
of a hangover and onto the sand of the future,
and lumbers, heavy with hope, into the library.

"Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser

Interesting portrait of today's student. I especially like the lines: "backward as up he crawls out of the froth/of a hangover and onto the sand of the future/and lumbers, heavy with hope, into the library."

hats
October 1, 2006 - 01:47 pm
What once was meant to be a statement--
a dripping dagger held in the fist
of a shuddering heart--is now just a bruise
on a bony old shoulder, the spot
where vanity once punched him hard
and the ache lingered on. He looks like
someone you had to reckon with,
strong as a stallion, fast and ornery,
but on this chilly morning, as he walks
between the tables at a yard sale
with the sleeves of his tight black T-shirt
rolled up to show us who he was,
he is only another old man, picking up
broken tools and putting them back,
his heart gone soft and blue with stories.


When young, aren't we brave? Any unusual act attracts us. Being different seems very important. We are anxious to become men and women. Then, as time passes, the decisions made while young seem odd, strange, something we would not do as seniors. Our voices become smaller. We begin to want conformity. I remember buying paper tatoos as a preteen. A good bath would wash the blue and red ink away. My pretend game had come and gone, and I, after going to bed, would get up in the morning with a new game on my mind.

hats
October 1, 2006 - 01:50 pm
Barbara, I chuckled over your Haiku. Thank you for sharing it.

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 1, 2006 - 02:21 pm
Interesting the similarity between the yard sale and the old guy - the "bruise on a bony old shoulder" like the "broken tools" he picks up and put back that are as filled with memories as he is and in their prime were something that was reckoned with to do a job as he was showing his vanity.

I guess like the old things we surround our selves with in our homes - they were once purchased to match our vanity - I vaguely remember a saying - something about surrounding ourselves with the reflections of our identities, our survival and gratifications so that we are preening inside our self built mirrored casket. That is what Ted Kooser is saying to me in his poem.

hats
October 1, 2006 - 02:22 pm
Barbara, I love your comment on the poem. Thank you.

hats
October 1, 2006 - 02:27 pm
I am really enjoying Delights & shadows by Ted Kooser. I like the title of the book too.

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 1, 2006 - 02:30 pm
As our identities change don't you want to just clean out - then when it comes to throwing out I have a difficult time - like throwing out a piece of me - I know my family does not share my taste -

After reading this poem I guess what I am really saying they do not share what I value and therefore with different values they have their own identity. I am pleased that they are individuals with a different look on life - I am also pleased they had opportunities to have a different life experience but oh dear what about the "things" - I think of these families that go back 100s of years and have homes filled with "things" that are 100s of years of memories, wax, and care. hmmm a dilemma...

Have any of you cleared the decks from when you were young and just had to have that Chinese screen or saved grandma's silver tea service that you never used or the special event dress you made for a daughter when we all sewed and now we think we should keep it since we cannot find workmanship like that anymore - and we did it...oh dear...!

MarjV
October 1, 2006 - 02:38 pm
Yup! that's so so right, Barbara: surounding ourselves......... self built casket. Fits. .Can't take it with us. Marvelous statement and goes with the poem of the Tattoo

As does Hats, comment about how our wants change with age - interesting that tattoos aren't so easily cast off like, say, a collection of baseball cards or hair ribbons.

These poems are such vivid portraits of uniqueness and at the same time universal.

Barbara;s haiku was neat as can be!

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 1, 2006 - 03:15 pm
Oohhh I like this - older aunts with sheaves of wheat while younger men breath as they work cutting and gathering the bounty of wheat.

There Is Always A Little Wind

There is always a little wind
in a country cemetery,
even on days when the air stands
still as a barn in the fields.

You can see the older cedars
stringy and tough as maiden aunts,
taking the little gusts of wind
in their aprons like sheaves of wheat,

and hear above you the warm
and regular sweep of wheat being cut
and gathered, the wagons creaking,
the young men breathing at their work.

I have never seen a field of wheat but I sure have seen acres of cotton - no breeze in summer - and I have visited some old local cemeteries with those stringy cedars providing the only shade as the 100 degree temps and baking sun dry the air to stillness. Those trees seem to capture any small breeze without a blade of uncut bleached grass moving. It is that stillness that is so pervasive till you look down and see a trail of ants storing life and memory within the arid earth. Which now makes me think that men at work are the ants of our society. hmmmm

Jim in Jeff
October 1, 2006 - 04:44 pm
Here awhile back I'd applauded Ted Kooser's pro-active "poet laureate" work...especially his weekly column "American Life in Poetry." In this, Kooser's sole intention is to promote poetry from young contemporaries; good poems by others, selected by himself (Ted).

He offers his column FREE to newspapers...sole purpose being to promote poetry...and today's good young poets. Ted also offers this weekly column online for us all to view. At his website, click on the "American Life in Poetry" button.

When I earlier first learned of this activity by our Poet Laureate, I wrote my local newspaper suggesting that they consider putting this free column in their sparsely-produced "books" section. Sad to say, my local newspaper didn't acknowledge my letter to them.

Anyway, this is one example of Ted Kooser's pro-active work while our Poet Laureate...and we thank him for it, most sincerely.

annafair
October 2, 2006 - 05:00 am
Yesterday I was finally able to go to B&N and buy my books of poems.They had five in stock or so the computer said and I chose 3 but one was out so I chose one called Winter Morning Walks -one hundred postcards to Jim Harrison, The title piqued my curiosity and I sat in the car and opened a small treasure,.Mr Kooser explains that in the autumn of 1998 he was recovering from surgery and radiation for cancer, warned to avoid sunlight because of skin sensitivity he began to take two mile hikes before dawn along the isolated country roads where he lives,

During the previous summer ,depressed by his illness, he had just about given up reading or writing ..Now one morning in Nov after his walk he found himself trying a hand at writing a poem. This book is a collection of those poems pasted on postcards and mailed to his friend Jim Harrison,

They are small gems and while I am going to open my other choices Flying at Night and Delights and Shadows each time I will include one from Winter Morning Walks the first poem was written on Nov 9 my birthdate ...here it is;;;;

november 9


Rainy and cold.


The sky hangs thin and wet on its clothesline.


A deer of gray vapor steps through the foreground,
under the dripping, lichen-rusted trees.


Halfway across the next field,
the distance ( or can that be the future?)
is sealed up in tin like an old barn.


From Flying by Night

In the Corners of Fields


Something is calling to me
from the corners of fields,
where the leftover fence wire
suns its loose coils, and stones
thrown out of the furrow
sleep in warm litters;
where the gray faces
of old No Hunting signs
mutter into the wind,
and dry horse tanks
spout fountains of sunflowers;
where a moth
flutters in from the pasture
harried by sparrows,
and alights on a post,
so sure of its life
that it peacefully opens its wings.


One of the things I do is try my hand at watercolors using photos but TK's poems paint such vivid pictures in my mind I think I can paint from those pictures. His poety just reaches inside me and pulls out memories and strings them across my mind. Summer and winters spent with my country cousins, My uncle and aunt in the front seat of their car and me in the back drinking in those lonely two lane roads ( not highways) and all the things TK paints ..what a month this promises to be! anna

MarjV
October 2, 2006 - 05:38 am
Porch Swing in September
by Ted Kooser



The porch swing hangs fixed in a morning sun
that bleaches its gray slats, its flowered cushion
whose flowers have faded, like those of summer,
and a small brown spider has hung out her web
on a line between porch post and chain
so that no one may swing without breaking it.
She is saying it’s time that the swinging were done with,
time that the creaking and pinging and popping
that sang through the ceiling were past,
time now for the soft vibrations of moths,
the wasp tapping each board for an entrance,
the cool dewdrops to brush from her work
every morning, one world at a time.

- - - - - -

What a scene!!!! You can see the scene, you can hear the swing, you can think about the spider. Fall has it's beauty and it's necessary changes. .

hats
October 2, 2006 - 06:13 am
November 9

"The sky hangs thin and wet on its clothesline."

I love this line. I don't know what it is saying to my inner self. I just feel it took great writer of poetry to see the sky in this way.

hats
October 2, 2006 - 06:17 am
I do love a porch swing. Anytime is the right time to go and sit on a porch swing. In this part of our life we don't have a porch swing. I certainly miss having one. MarjV, your thoughts are my thoughts about this one.

MarjV
October 2, 2006 - 06:38 am
Comment on "In the Corner of Fields"

Having grown up on a farm in the thumb of Michigan this poem is nostalgic. Living in the city now I still yearn for those scenes.

Comment on "November 9"

Our sky is "hamging thin and wet on its clothesline" here, this mornoing, on October 2. And Anna, thanks for telling us how the Winter Morning Walks collection came to be.

hats
October 2, 2006 - 07:34 am
Mr. Ted Kooser, I feel honored that you are here at Seniornet. When we read your poems, do you expect us to try and tune into your thoughts? Is it intrusive or heartbreaking to you if we, the reader, see something in your poetry which is totally different from what you expected the reader to see? What is the right way to analyze poetry?

Alliemae
October 2, 2006 - 09:50 am
Re-reading our posts a second time (at least) always seems to show me a new inspiration! 80 years old LEARNING to play the piano...guess my dream of learning to play is not too silly at my 67 years of age (68 Nov 30!).

And "Often I think about the time when people stayed in one place." Hats, you always say things that bring out my sense of nostalgia. Now that you mention it, when I was a little girl it would never have occurred to me that I would ever move away from Pleasant Street in Northampton, Mass!!

Thanks, Hats, for the inspiration and the memories!!

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 2, 2006 - 10:28 am
Barbara…I LOVED your Haiku about the geico, one of my favorite critters…so clever and warm, and almost ‘Ogden Nash-ish’!!!!!

"Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser (via Scrawler)
The descriptions…the mood of the subject…are so incredibly portrayed. How many times have I seen my older son look exactly like that, going to school in the cold, wind and snow (hopefully without the hangover!). ”…and lumbers, heavy with hope, into the library.”…how wonderfully real. Thank you Mr. Kooser….and thank you Scrawler for bringing this poem to the group. My son is 47 now and I find myself filled with the feel of him as he was at 17.

Seems I have lots more reading to do…be back later on…Latin to translate (yes, did drop the class but am having a great time translating [well trying] On Old Age by Cicero. I picked it up at the conference last June and thought it was rather ironically appropriate!

Later all…Alliemae

hats
October 2, 2006 - 10:41 am
Alliemae, I am glad you brought up the poem posted by Scrawler again. I could see a young man on a surfboard so clearly while reading that poem. There are so many sea images in that poem.

1.leaning into wave after wave


2.paddling ahead


3.breaks the cold surf


4.the froth


5.sand of the future


The books in the backpack are the student's cleansing agents.

I love the imagery in Ted Kooser's poems. How often does a poet, alone by himself, reread his poems? Is it all over for him once the poem is published? Does he distance himself from the finished poem?

Scrawler
October 2, 2006 - 03:26 pm
Pantcuffs rolled, and in old shoes,
they stumble over the rocks and wade out
into a cold river of shadows
far from the fire, so far that its warmth
no longer reaches them. And its light
(but for the sparks in their eyes
when they chance to look back)
scarcely brushes their faces. Their ears
are full of night: rustle of black leaves
against a starless sky. Sometimes
they hear us calling, and sometimes
they don't. They are not searching
for anything much, nor are they much
in need of finding something new.
They are feeling their way out into the night,
letting their eyes adjust to the future.

~ "Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser

What a delightful poem! That's the way I feel sometimes as I walk about (in the daylight). I'm not really searching for anything new or old. I'm just adjusting myself toward the future and sometimes wishing for the past as I wonder about and see my natural surroundings.

I'm a "rat-pack" myself. It seems I can't get rid of anything especially books.

annafair
October 2, 2006 - 05:42 pm
I think we could form a club THE RAT PACKERS OF SENIORITY Sometimes you cant even give something away> today I gave the Roto Rooter man who repaired my shower a 2+ ft brass eagle It was one my husband had brought home and mounted over a door. I had to have it removed to do some painting and really didnt want to re hang it > I offered it to my sons but my DIL's didnt want it I offered it to a neighbor in the Air Force but he didnt want it . Today I noticed the above repairer of my shower had a beautiful solid gold ring with an eagle carved in it, admiring it he said it was his fathers ..he was so proud So I asked him if he like eagles , his reply yes I said I have one you can have ..he had no idea what I was going to give him but when I came out to the hall with it his eyes lit up. I could see he really wanted it and so I gave him the eagle and the story and he gave me a hug..best pay I have ever recieved for something I was ready to say goodbye to,.

Now to the poems the last one is from the book I mentioned Winter Morning Walks It is in MArch but I just let the book fall open where it would and loved the picture TK painted . the first one made me laugh for it is something I have always said when both crickets and spiders come early and the spiders spin their webs high and sneak into the house to spend a winter..AND I have to tell you I have seen crickets in my house early this year, small ,tiny ones the color of spring green , large dark chocolate colored ones springing away from my determined shoe..most are faster at springing than I am at stomping them ...I noted a spiders life line in the gleam of my out door light it was rather sturdy and stretched from under the eaves of my little closed in porch on the second floor to the banister of m deck on the first floor I can see a whole army of spiders headed for those eaves where they build so many webs sometimes a corner of the eaves looks almost black SO this poem made me laugh The speaker is a smart man ..he has learned a lot but I can tell you anyone under 60 will just shake their heads when I make my predictions re crickets and spiders TK tells the truth in a charming poem for me..anna

Sure Signs
for George Von Glahn


So many crickets tonight -
like strings of sleigh bells!
“A long hard winter ahead
for sure” my neighbor says ,
reeling a cobweb onto
a broom in his garden .
“Crickets and cobwebs “ he says,
“sure signs. In seventy years
(he looks over his glasses
to see if I am still there)
you get to know a thing or two.”


From Flying at Night

march 12


5:30 am , dark and cold


Only a crust of moon is left
to offer this morning ,
but that may be enough for now ,
what with our frosty picnic table
so heavily laden with stars.


From Winter Morning Walks

Ted Kooser

hats
October 3, 2006 - 06:43 am
No real flowers would give of themselves
as these do, the soft tips of their petals
easing out under the painted gold borders,
then bleeding into puffs of blue, and the aunt
who in her old age gave me these cups
and saucers, the plates, bread plates and platters,
the gravy boat, and the big covered bowl
that for seventy years she brought to her table
heaped high with buttercup potatoes,
she too, like one of these soft blue flowers,
has slipped beyond the thin line at the edge.
I lift this cup to her. Flow, blue.


I love the delicacy of this poem: "the soft tips of petals, gold borders, puffs of blue, etc." The memory of a person lives on long after their life is gone. Reminders of their presence is found in all sorts of places. I have a poetry book my mother bought me. She signed her name in it. I have kept the book. Somehow, seeing her name written in that book means, in some way, she is still with me.

Anna and Scrawler, thank you for your poems and comments. I am really enjoying this month.

hats
October 3, 2006 - 06:45 am
MarjV, thank you for your memories about life on a farm.

Alliemae
October 3, 2006 - 06:58 am
All I can say is 'I thank whatever gods there be...' that we are all in this together!!

Hats I didn't even notice that! Now I'll go read that poem again. Very interesting observation! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Alliemae

hats
October 3, 2006 - 07:14 am
Alliemae. thank you. I am proud to have you as a poetry buddy.

Alliemae
October 3, 2006 - 07:18 am
"...They are not searching
for anything much, nor are they much
in need of finding something new.
They are feeling their way out into the night,
letting their eyes adjust to the future."

Scrawler I think I know what you mean...

I must read this some more. I am learning in this group that I'm going to have to read poems many times for my first impressions are almost always very subjective and then I have to go back and see what else may be being told to me. The minute I started reading this poem a picture of my dad popped into my head, "...Pantcuffs rolled, and in old shoes,"...fishing at the breakwater in Rockland and 'midwifing' a mama dogfish in a big puddle he made in an indentation of one of the rocks. A tender man was my dad!

By the end the poem was about me...like Scrawler expressed... I'm off to just read the poetry for a few hours and will post more maybe tomorrow. I'm so homesick...

Alliemae

annafair
October 3, 2006 - 08:16 am
Koosers poems reach back in time to my life and for a minute I am there ..with my ancient aunts and uncles Now I am as old as they and the wrinkled hands they held me with and I loved the softness of thier laps and those worn hands and longed for the day when they would be mine..Mine are not as workworn as thiers but in the veins that now rise above the flesh I see them and Koosers poems take me there ...I see the flat fields of the farms the barns that were often better maintained than the houses But then the cows and horses needed those barns and they were thier livelehood..the wells, the cisterns , the pumps that you could not touch in winter and the wood stoves that produced the butterscotch pies made just for me...I research each poet before I suggest we spend a month in thier company and each month has been unique and I wont forget them but Kooser is making indelible marks in my heart and mind...anna

hats
October 3, 2006 - 08:37 am
I have just read this poem in the heading about Ted Kooser. It is about the people harmed by Hurricane Katrina. The poem is very, very moving. The poem is in the heading.

American Life in Poetry: Column 079

BY TED KOOSER, U.S. POET LAUREATE, 2004-2006

The news coverage of Hurricane Katrina gave America a vivid look at our poor and powerless neighbors. Here Alex Phillips of Massachusetts condenses his observations of our country's underclass into a wise, tough little poem.

Work Shy


To be poor and raise skinny children.
To own nothing but skinny clothing.
Skinny food falls in between cracks.
Friends cannot visit your skinny home.
They cannot fit through the door.
Your skinny thoughts evaporate into
the day or the night that you cannot
see with your tiny eyes.


God sticks you with the smallest pins
and your blood, the red is diluted.
Imagine a tiny hole, the other side
of which is a fat world and how
lost you would feel. Of course,
I'm speaking to myself.
How lost I would feel, and how dangerous.


Poetry helps us not to forget the suffering of other people. While the news anchors go on to other stories, the memory of the past stories is still alive in poetry.

MarjV
October 3, 2006 - 09:31 am
Here is a short online conversation with Ted that you can listen to, watch or read.

Online Newshour interview with Ted Kooser, Pulitzer Prize winner

Scrawler
October 3, 2006 - 09:37 am
Isn't it wonderful when you find someone who really appreciates what you have to give them. I know that when I was moving up to Portland, Oregon from California I tried to give my furniture that my husband and I had bought when we first got married away, but even the junk man wouldn't take. He told me it was only good for the wood-pile. After all I had gone through it was than that I really cried. To me the furniture held a lot memories, but to anyone else it was just a bunch of fire wood!

A Rainy Morning:

A young woman in a wheelchair,
wearing a black nylon poncho spattered with rain,
is pushing herself through the morning.
You have seen how pianists
sometimes bend forward to strike the keys,
then lift their hands, draw back to rest,
then lean again to strike just as the chord fades.
Such is the way this woman
strikes at the wheels, then lifts her long white fingers
letting them float, then bends again to strike
just as the chair slows, as if into a silence.
So expertly she plays the chords
of this difficult music she has mastered,
her wet face beautiful in its concentration,
while the wind turns the pages of rain.

~ "Delights & Shadows" Ted Kooser

What a beautiful poem this is! So often in this day and age we tend to turn our faces away from someone we see in a "wheel chair" but through Ted Kooser's poem you see beyond the first impression and into the woman who she really is. I thought it wonderful to compare her to a musician playing a difficult piece of music.

hats
October 3, 2006 - 10:08 am
Scrawler, that is a beautiful poem. The way Ted Kooser compares the woman's movements to a pianist is just beyond creative. Ted Kooser's imagination travels to far places and takes us with him.

MarjV, thank you for the links.

MarjV
October 3, 2006 - 01:47 pm
Here is where Hats found the Katerina poem - it was in one of Kooser's columns that are printed by newspapers around the country. Jim in Jeff mentioned this endeavor some posts back.

Ted Koosers page - use the link to "American Life in Poetry" #079

There is also an archive of his past columns/

annafair
October 3, 2006 - 04:57 pm
Every pome posted just means something to me and helps me to understand how powerful poetry truly is .I have two poems today The first one I read and thought wouldnt every one love to have someone write this to and for them? This poem recieved by the intended would in my mind be as valuable as the finest gem...with a few words he has said so much ..the second one is equally powerful and it hits me because whenever I smell cinnamon on a cold winter day my mind steps back in time and I am a little girl and the smell of cinnamon toast wafts up the stairs from the kitchen where my mother is making cinnamon flowers on buttered bread toasted in the kitchen oven..I love that he for the most part is a man of few words but he turns them into an immense canvas and paints a picture for all to see.anna

Pocket Poem


IF this comes creased and creased again and soiled
as if I had opened it a thousand times
to see if what I’d written here was right ,
it’s all because I looked for you too long
to put it in your pocket. Midnight says
the little gifts of loneliness come wrapped
with nervous fingers. What I wanted this
to say was that I wanted to be so close
that when you find it , it is warm from me.


Ted Kooser Flying at Night

november 12


4:30 a.m.


On mornings like this , as hours before dawn
I walk the dark hall of the road
with my life creaking under my feet, I sometimes
take hold of the cold porcelain knob
of the moon, and turn it , and step into a room
warm and yellow , and take my seat
at a small wooden table with a border of painted pansies
and wait for my mother to bring me my bowl


Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

hats
October 4, 2006 - 02:23 am
Oh my! I love both of those poems, Anna. There is no way I could choose one over the other one. I will reread those today. Maybe my mind can up with a comment. No wonder Ted Kooser is a Poet Laureate.

MarjV, thank you so much for the link to the Katrina poem. I have not strayed away from Ted Kooser or what he authorized in his column.

Alliemae
October 4, 2006 - 06:02 am
"...What I wanted this
to say was that I wanted to be so close
that when you find it , it is warm from me.

I really choked up on this one. This is love...pure and simple.

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 4, 2006 - 06:09 am
“Compared to the dreary life
of any star, flaring up to
collapse into nothing, my
life is rich with happenings.
For example, a bat like a
small black rag has been
fluttering back and forth
through the yard light all
evening, harvesting the stars
of tiny moths, catching one
tiny star in its teeth with
each pass. They jerkily fly
this way and that, but they
can’t escape this hungry
little piece of darkness.
Local wonders.”

How much longer, I wonder, is it going to take for me to remember to just sit and 'notice'. I do believe since I'm now able to be in this month's discussion more actively, I may learn to. This is a much needed month for me so far.

Alliemae

annafair
October 4, 2006 - 06:40 am
You will do it ...believe me When my husband died and my grief needed an outlet I turned to writing poetry and then taking classes at the local university and then reading other poets and all of a sudden the world OPENED up for me and for the first time I begin TO SEE it All of it , the simple wonders of it I remember standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon and being awed at is beauty BUT now I am awed by the sulpher butterflies that appear each August by the scarlet berries this time of year on my dogwood tree but the important thing is I NOTICED them earlier when they were a bitter green and in spring I saw the buds not ready to open looked like thousands of communion cups NOTHING has ever made me Notice the simple wonders of the world than poetry IT WILL COME and when it is there you will like be begin to live no longer on the edge of life but right in the middle....anna

hats
October 4, 2006 - 06:53 am
Anna, what a beautiful post. Like Alliemae, I hope to reach that stage in life where no wonder of life goes unnoticed.

MarjV
October 4, 2006 - 07:53 am
Alliemae: I'm glad you posted that poem Ted has on his homepage - I've read it over several times and my heart thumps with joy at his observations and the words with which he can tell about them.

That pocket poem is really something!

Judi P.
October 4, 2006 - 08:35 am
takes me back to the time when my sister and I had to empty my mother's closet...and...found all worn around the edges...a note she had written and forgot to send....and...for some reason...never wore or washed the apron again ...allowing us to find the note after she had passed away. We both read it...passed it back and forth...and felt as if she were there listening to our comments about how well she was able to express herself in written notes....and even though we did not know the person it was intended for...it was as if she had written it to both of us.....

hats
October 4, 2006 - 08:37 am
Judi P thanks for sharing such a heartwarming story about your mother.

Alliemae
October 4, 2006 - 09:37 am
What a dear and touching thing to have happened...I'm glad for you and your sister. Sometimes life has the lovliest of surprises, doesn't it...and Judi...I agree...I believe that note was for the persons who found it!

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 4, 2006 - 09:41 am
Dear anna...you have been one of my spiritual mentors since I joined our group...and you've done it again! Thank you for your reminders...I'm too impatient I think...

Alliemae

annafair
October 4, 2006 - 09:44 am
Every time I have an extra minute I pick up Kooser;s book Winter Morning Walks and turn to a page and there waiting for me is pearl in black and white odd shaped letters as they should be and I read and each one captures me and I see and feel what TK saw that day here is one I just read and copied to share..anna This one appealed to me for I have an owl in my backyard I cant hear him but others tell me they do ..once late evening almost night I was looking outside and out of my tall old oak I saw him take flight ..Powerful with his cape of feathers spread wide he flew , a grey ghost across my gray sky...anna

November 22


Sunny and cool , thin clouds
.

In his drab gray overcoat,
unbuttoned and flying out behind ,
a stocky, gray bullet-headed owl
with dirty claws and thick wrists
slowly flaps home
from working the night shift.
He is so tired he has forgotten
his lunchbox , his pay stub.
He will not be able to sleep
in his empty apartment
what with the neighboring blackbirds
flying into his face ,
but he will stay awake all morning,
round -shouldered and glassy-eyed ,
composing a poem about
paradise., perfectly woven
of mouse bones and moist pieces of fur.


Ted Kooser from Winter Morning Walks

Alliemae
October 4, 2006 - 09:48 am
Marge I'm not surprised at all by your posting...you and I seem to be in sync A LOT even since my beginning in our group!!

Alliemae

Mallylee
October 4, 2006 - 10:38 am
Thank you all who posted the wonderful poems of Ted Kooser. Flow Blue China brought tears to my eyes at the last 'Flow, Blue'.

'The bat' is so affectionate towards the little creature. All the poems are full of affection towards the world and all its creatures

MarjV
October 4, 2006 - 11:04 am
Love owls so that poem made me laugh. Fantastic creatures.

Especially this line: composing a poem about
paradise., perfectly woven
of mouse bones and moist pieces of fur

Scrawler
October 4, 2006 - 11:13 am
She was all in black but for a yellow ponytail
that railed from her cap, and bright blue gloves
that she held out wide, the feathery fingers spread,
as surely she stepped, click-clack, onto the frozen
top of the world. And there, with a clatter of blades,
she began to braid a loose path that broadened
into a meadow of curls. Across the ice she swooped
and then turned back and, halfway, bent her legs
and leapt into the air the way a crane leaps, blue gloves
lifting her lightly, and turned a snappy half-turn
there in the wind before coming down, arms wide,
skating backward right out of that moment, smiling back
at the woman she'd been just an instant before.

~ "Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser

I like his poems about nature, but the ones about 'human life' are especially gems to me.

MarjV
October 4, 2006 - 04:02 pm
I always wanted to be able to skate like the subject of the poem above! Sometimes I am sad when I watch skaters on tv because they can fly physically while I am only able to do it emotionally.

- - - - --

My libraries do not have Kooser poetry books; they do own the The Poetry Home Repair Manual by Kooser, c.2005. so I will quote now and again from his thoughts.

Here's a goody from the first chapter: "They(poets) know it is the professional interpreters of poetry -book reviewers and literary critics - who most often establish a poet's reputation, and that those interpreters are attracted to poems that offer opportunities to show off their skills at interpetation. A poet who writes poetry that does require explanation, who writes clear and accessible poems, is of little use to critis building their own carrers as interpreters. But a clear and accessible poem can be of use to an everyday reader."

RAH!!! I say.

hats
October 5, 2006 - 02:33 am
MarjV, what a good quote. I love what you said about the skater in the poem written by Ted Kooser. It is wonderful how you thought of your emotional self vs. your physical self.

hats
October 5, 2006 - 02:43 am
In "The Skater" posted by Scrawler I also like the last words of the poem.

skating backward right out of that moment, smiling back
at the woman she'd been just an instant before.


Life goes pass so quickly. One minute we are young and full of energy. Not too long afterward, time is gone. We are elders. I remember older people in the family saying, "you better appreciate it. Time slips away."

The girl in the "The Skater" skates "out of that moment." All of us know how fast ice skaters can spin and skate backward. Zip, Zip, like magic, and we are in a new stage of life. It's like our old selves have reborn.

I like the "yellow ponytail" too. I think Ted Kooser mentions color often in his poems. Does anybody else think so? The skater is also wearing "blue gloves." I love color in my life. Color gives zest to our lives. Color can also reflect mood and the size of a space.

hats
October 5, 2006 - 02:49 am
Scrawler, I like his poems about "human life" too. Ted Kooser can take anything and connect it to a person and make the poem personal. He is totally in touch with the ordinary wonders of daily life.

Rereading "The Skater," I see Ted Kooser mentions the gloves twice. Why did he mention the gloves twice?? I know poets never waste a line.

Bright blue gloves
blue gloves

hats
October 5, 2006 - 02:54 am
November 22


Sunny and cool , thin clouds


Anna, I love the owl in the poem. It's hard for me just to see an owl. I see my dad or my husband or men friends coming home from work after another hard day. I do think Ted Kooser is gifted in interweaving nature and man. This is not a falsity or a game of pretense. Nature and man are closely knitted together. This is why it is important not to disturb this coexistence in a harmful way.

hats
October 5, 2006 - 04:52 am
After the funeral, the mourners gather
under the rustling churchyard maples
and talk softly, like clusters of leaves.
White shirt cuffs and collars flash in the shade:
highlights on deep green water.
They came this afternoon to say goodbye,
but now they keep saying hello and hello,
peering into each of other's faces,
slow to let go of each other's hands.


This poem seems just right for today and this week. The funeral for some or all of the five little Amish girls is going to be held today. I think that Ted Kooser caught a moment he didn't know would happen. Ted Kooser's poetry is timeless.

MarjV
October 5, 2006 - 05:23 am
Hats, as I was reading the poem I also thought of Amish country and the girls' funerals.

"talk softly like clusters of leaves"....

And there is color again - white (light, purity,joy) & deep green (green the color of nataure , hope and newness). Powerful symbols for a funeral and hope of eternal life.

hats
October 5, 2006 - 05:32 am
MarjV, thank you! I missed the colors. Now I need to reread the poem again. Isn't that silly??? I had been thinking of Ted Kooser and color....Oh well, a senior moment. What can I say???

hats
October 5, 2006 - 05:34 am
In "Mourners," I believe it is autumn too.

under the rustling churchyard leaves


I feel that the leaves are crisp with age.

hats
October 5, 2006 - 05:36 am
In "Delight and Shadows" by Ted Kooser, "Mourners" is on the opposite page from "Skater." It's like there is the celebration of life and then, death.

Alliemae
October 5, 2006 - 06:10 am
Tattoo

What once was meant to be a statement—
a dripping dagger held in the fist
of a shuddering heart—is now just a bruise
on a bony old shoulder, the spot
where vanity once punched him hard
and the ache lingered on. He looks like
someone you had to reckon with,
strong as a stallion, fast and ornery,
but on this chilly morning, as he walks
between the tables at a yard sale
with the sleeves of his tight black T-shirt
rolled up to show us who he was,
he is only another old man, picking up
broken tools and putting them back,
his heart gone soft and blue with stories.

from Delights & Shadows

...and how we love and feel for them at this stage--for we know...

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 5, 2006 - 06:20 am
"I think that Ted Kooser caught a moment he didn't know would happen. Ted Kooser's poetry is timeless." (Hats)

This morning as I sat in my shower I realized there was nothing to do but weep and pray. As the police chief had said, "There were no winners here today."

May all the little ones, as well as the tormented man rest in peace, and may all of their families find peace and the will to go on.

Alliemae

Scrawler
October 5, 2006 - 10:33 am
Yes, Hats I liked "Mourners" too it reminded me of the day after the 1989 earthquake in California when I went to the bus stop. Strangers were talking with each other about the quake and it was as if nobody wanted to let go of anyone. We just kept talking and talking. Than in a few days we were all silent once again; going about our own business.

Dishwater:

Slap of the screen door, flat knock
of my grandmother's boxy black shoes
on the wooden stoop, the hush and sweep
of her knob-kneed, cotton-aproned stride
out to the edge and then, toed in
with a furious twist and heave,
a bridge that leaps from her hot red hands
and hangs there shining for fifty years
over the mystified chickens,
over the swaying nettles, the ragweed,
the clay slope down to the creek,
over the redwing blackbirds in the tops
of the willows, a glorious rainbow
with an empty dishpan swinging at one end.

~ "Delights & Shadows" Ted Kooser

This poem reminded me of my Irish great-grandmother. When I was a little girl I used to visit her in the Mission district of San Francisco. Even to this day I always remember how she smelled of "homemade soap." I thank God every day for my mechanical devices like diswashers and washing machines, but there was something about that "dishpan" hanging in the kitchen and the smell of soap that...well, I can't quite come up with the words.

Judi P.
October 5, 2006 - 11:19 am
"After the funeral, the mourners gather under the rustling churchyard maples and talk softly, like clusters of leaves."

NOTE: A contest was held among young preschoolers and kindergarteners to describe what "love is"....

The winner was a four year old child whose next door neighbor was an elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife.

Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there.

When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy said,

"Nothing, I just helped him cry"

annafair
October 5, 2006 - 11:25 am
The slaying at the Amish school makes us all weep Today's paper speaks of the Amish families going to see the slayers family and offering them love and forgiveness for thier loved ones deed.I cant speak for others but I felt shame for me because I am not sure I would do the same.I would like oto be like that little boy and help them cry...anna

annafair
October 5, 2006 - 11:41 am
In the first one again Kooser sees something ordinary and makes it extraordinary I know I will never look at the ladders leaning against my house without thinking of them ..as day laborers , still waiting to be called into use..and what an end line to the second poem. the color of news . .makes me think again of this mornings paper bleak and gray with so much unhappy news...anna

Late September


Behind each garage a ladder
sleeps in the leaves, its hands
folded across its lean belly .
There are hundreds of them
in each town, and more
sleeping by haystacks and barns
out in the country -tough old
day laborers , seasoned and wheezy,
drunk on the weather,
sleeping outside with the crickets.


Ted Kooser Flying at Night

December 28


Windy and at the freezing point


There are days when the world
has a hard time keeping its clouds on ,
and its grass in place, and this
is one of them, tumbleweeds
huddled up under the skirts
of the cedars , oak trees
joining hands in the windy grove.
Even the dawn light, blocky
with pink and yellow and blue
like a comics section , quickly
fluttered away , leaving a Sunday
the color of news.


Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

Alliemae
October 5, 2006 - 12:53 pm
"its hands folded across its lean belly,"

Love it!!

hats
October 5, 2006 - 12:56 pm
Alliemae, I love it too. Anna, I love these lines.

Even the dawn light, blocky
with pink and yellow and blue
like a comics section ,

Judi P.
October 5, 2006 - 02:13 pm
At times....without the comic strips section....the color of news on a Sunday is more black than anything else....unless you put the paper aside and attend services and sing loud....then comes the color of good news.....and hope

JoanK
October 5, 2006 - 04:08 pm
Oh, my!! What a feast. I've been away from this site too long, and come back to find such beauty. I never lived in a small town -- I'm a creature of the city. And yet each of these poems spoke to me and to memories buried somewhere I didn't know I had.

MarjV
October 6, 2006 - 05:31 am
In January by Ted Kooser

Only one cell in the frozen hive of night
is lit, or so it seems to us:
this Vietnamese café, with its oily light,
its odors whose colorful shapes are like flowers.
Laughter and talking, the tick of chopsticks.
Beyond the glass, the wintry city
creaks like an ancient wooden bridge.
A great wind rushes under all of us.
The bigger the window, the more it trembles.

-------------------------

Winters in Nebraska, etc., are like nothing else we experience. I liked sitting in this cafe. Have never thought of odors as having shapes. Next time I bake something full of scent I surely shall find a shape.

~marj

hats
October 6, 2006 - 05:46 am
MarjV, thank you for posting "In January." I heard a boing go off in my head after reading the line you picked,

"its odors whose colorful shapes are like flowers."

This is another way to appreciate what goes on around us. Sometimes I feel like my five senses are asleep. So much goes pass. It takes a special poet like Ted Kooser to wake me up.

I love the way Ted Kooser describes the wind.

Beyond the glass, the wintry city
creaks like an ancient wooden bridge.


I have journeyed to Viet Nam without moving out of my American city. There is a wooden bridge, chopsticks and oily light. Ted Kooser paints a picture with words.

MarjV
October 6, 2006 - 05:47 am
Judi & JoanK - how good to have you join us.

"Dishwater" - quite a vivid poem of the old woman throwing out the dishwater in a whole unique portrait.---black shoes, hot red hands, mystified chickens,knob kneed stride. A Kodak moment.

Alliemae
October 6, 2006 - 07:26 am
Joan, hi again...it's so good to see you here!! Thanks for your lovely words to me (about a million posts back, probably last month's!) I was having a hard time orchestrating my life last month but it's rolling right along now. I'm genuinely thrilled to see you again!

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 6, 2006 - 07:43 am
I'm trying to find out if this is about January in a Vietnamese restaurant in Nebraska or was it written in VietNam. I tried reading the comments in PoemHunter.com (see link for Ted Kooser's Poems above) but still can't tell.

Maybe Ted or Marj can tell me. Anyway...I like the visual aspect of this poem.

I was especially struck by this line: "The bigger the window, the more it trembles." I felt somehow insecure on a couple of levels but I don't know why.

Thanks!

Alliemae

hats
October 6, 2006 - 07:45 am
Alliemae, that's a good question. I need to reread the poem. I am not MarjV. I think it's Nebraska. MarjV, help us out.

MarjV
October 6, 2006 - 08:09 am
I'm sure it is Nebraska or the midwest somewhere. That is what he writes from and about and to. That's what he knows and sees.

hats
October 6, 2006 - 08:21 am
I am sure he travels too. I think the answer lies in "wintry." In Viet Nam does it get very cold at any part of the year? Did Ted Kooser fight in Viet Nam?

Mallylee
October 6, 2006 - 09:31 am
Scrawler, The Skater makes me see the movie of the girl's skating, and see her joy in her skill. I never learned to skate,and have seen skaters only on films, and this poem says so much that would take me a long time to see without the poet's vision and skill with words

Mallylee
October 6, 2006 - 09:36 am
Wow! The bigger the window the more it trembles !!!

(I think I am going to retain that idea and muse on it)

Scrawler
October 6, 2006 - 11:22 am
I love that image of the little boy and neighbor who lost his wife. Perhaps if we saw the world through the eyes of children it would be less destructive to us.

I also liked the image of the "window trembling."

The Necktie:

His hands fluttered like birds,
each with a fancy silk ribbon
to weave into their nest,
as he stood at the mirror
dressing for work, waving hello
to himself with both hands.

~ "Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser

I picked this poem because it reminded me of my son. Once when he was in junior high school I peeked into his room to see why he was taking so long dressing for a school dance and found him struggling with his necktie. After a few mintues of "spying" on him in amusement, I took piety on him and helped him with it.

Alliemae
October 6, 2006 - 12:44 pm
"waving hello
to himself with both hands.

...another winning line!!!

And Scrawler what a tender memory. I have two boys myself and two girls as well. Thanks for sharing your memory of your son when he was young!

Alliemae

hats
October 6, 2006 - 12:55 pm
Scrawler, I like The Necktie too. You can really see a husband and/or sons standing and tying their necktie.

hats
October 6, 2006 - 01:00 pm
JoanK, I love "Dishwater." Whatever happened to women wearing aprons? Aprons seem as special as a woman's quilts. Aprons carried so many family memories.

I know you love birds. I noticed the "redwing blackbirds."

Judi P.
October 6, 2006 - 02:52 pm
A great wind rushes under all of us. The bigger the window, the more it trembles

My oldest daughter was born in Okinawa during the Vietnamese conflict....and....this poem is amazing in its pageantry....and symbolism to me...at least...

The great wind could very well be the B52s taking off for bombing raids...or...the bombs that dropped all over Vietnam...and...the "great wind"....and...the windows trembling....

We lived on post in Okinawa and...many times would hear the planes taking off and we had a large picture window in our duplex living room that "trembled" when the ground "shook".....waking my daughter at times.

The chopsticks brought back a flood of memories of little cafes off post that were not considered "safe"....but...it was there that people were "real"....and colorful..oil lit lanterns....mama-sons and papa-sons scurrying to bring heaping dishes of steamed vegetables and rice.....giggling if you asked for a fork....

The weather was not wintry much...but...a typhoon could make the air seem very cool and threatening....since Okinawa was such a small island......

The apron poem just sent me back to my Grandma and great-Grandma's homes....in Illinois.....oh my....they were sooooo wise....drying their hands on their aprons while cooking and while cleaning..yet all the while....making sure you knew the family history.....

annafair
October 6, 2006 - 07:02 pm
Neckties and boys , my two sons on a first "BIG DATE" had no idea how to tie a tie ..thank goodness my husband was home because I never knew how..he wore pretied ties but remembered how to tie one... Aprons ..my mother and my "Little Grandma" wore aprons ALL of my many aunts wore them as well. When it was time to dine ( holidays other days we just ate lOL ) each would remove the apron to reveal a NICE dress for dinner itself. I used them myself at one time. the shorter ones at the waist Not the full length bib type but to protect my NICE dress I always tied in under my arm over my bosom to save the dress ...when we were entertaining

And Judi I lived in Illnois , relatives had farms at Salem and Mt VErnon and one other place I have forgotten..and the aunts wore aprons..and we were on Okinawa Up island at Machinato Heights until quarters at Naha were available My husband was the Maintenence Officer of the C 130's and flew into Viet Nam..we had to leave when Okinawa reverted to the Japanese ..my husband finished his tour in Korea and our four children and I returned to the states...You remined me of all of the special restaurants where we ate. My children were proficient with chopsticks and loved oriental food, I took classes and still have my cookbook and they would eat leftover fried rice for breakfast . The poems I chose to share are like the ones you have shared and my memories from reading them are so acute it is almost like I have fallen asleep and awakened in yesterday.. anna

Camera


It’s an old box camera ,
a Brownie, the color and shape
of the battery out of a car,
but smaller , lighter .
All the good times-
the clumsy picnics on the grass,
the new Dodge,
the Easter Sundays-
each with its own clear instant
in the fluid of time,
all these have leaked away,
leaving this shell ,
this little battery without a spark.


Ted Kooser Flying at Night

December 26


Clear and cold


A little snap at one side of the room ,
and an answering snap at the other :
Stiff from the cold and idleness , the old house
is cracking its knuckles. Then the great yawn
of the furnace. Even the lampshade is drowsy,
it’s belly full of a warm yellow light.


Out under the moon, though, there is at least
one wish against this winter sleep. A road
leads into the new year, deliberate as a bride
in her sparkling white dress of new snow.


Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

Our house would creak and groan from the cold until the coal furnace a huge cavern of red hot coals would come on and the heat would warm us ,,especially me as I would sit on the floor register and hug my knees until that warmth would make me over heated and sleepy and finally I would go to bed...anna

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 7, 2006 - 12:32 am
I had to catch up with over 50 posts - so many memories when reading these poems - dishpans and blue willow china - finally at the book store today but I want a copy they did not have - Anna didn't you say you found "Winter Morning Walks : 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison" - that is the book of poetry I would like to have and so it looks like it will be a bit before it arrives.

In the meantime I found this - each time I read it I choke - I start to explain how it reminds me... and makes me feel... and then all I can say between my tears is Oh My God...

After Years

Today, from a distance, I saw you
walking away, and without a sound
the glittering face of a glacier
slid into the sea. An ancient oak
fell in the Cumberlands, holding only
a handful of leaves, and an old woman
scattering corn to her chickens looked up
for an instant. At the other side
of the galaxy, a star thirty-five times
the size of our own sun exploded
and vanished, leaving a small green spot
on the astronomer's retina
as he stood on the great open dome
of my heart with no one to tell.

hats
October 7, 2006 - 07:38 am
A Happy Birthday by Ted Kooser



This evening, I sat by an open window
and read till the light was gone and the book
was no more than a part of the darkness.
I could easily have switched on a lamp,
but I wanted to ride this day down into night,
to sit alone and smooth the unreadable page
with the pale gray ghost of my hand.


Anna and Barbara I appreciate the poems you have chosen. With this poem I think of the quiet time of the day. That time is so special. There is a feeling of just wanting

"to ride this day down into night..."


The whole day has been special. So special that choosing to end it and go to bed is too difficult.

Alliemae
October 7, 2006 - 09:39 am
"All the good times-
the clumsy picnics on the grass,
the new Dodge,
the Easter Sundays-

Just four lines and I'm five years old again on Memorial Day at Look Park with all of our family and friends...and all of us kids holding a tiny American flag...

And the photos I still have from those precious days were all taken with this same type of camera, now made famous in a poem.

Mr. Ted Kooser, how many lives and hearts must you have touched with your poetry? You are immortal now, you know! Not a bad state of being...

Alliemae

Scrawler
October 7, 2006 - 11:59 am
I can't say that I have any love for "aprons." I never have worn one and the only time I saw my mother wear one was during the holidays. Than again being in a kitchen is not my kind of fun. I couldn't cook my way out of a paper bag if my life depended on it. Thank God for microwaves!

A Winter Morning:

A farmhouse window far back from the highway
speaks to the darkness in a small, sure voice
Against this stillness, only a kettle's whisper,
and against the starry cold, one small blue ring of flame.

~ "Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser

Although I'm a city gal myself, I can certainly appreciate what imagery this speaks of!

hats
October 7, 2006 - 02:37 pm
I once held on my knees a simple wooden box
in which a rainbow lay dusty and broken.
It was a set of pastels that had years before
belonged to the painter Mary Cassatt,
and all of the colors she'd used in her work
lay open before me. Those huses she's most used,
the peaches and pinks, were worn down to stubs,
while the cool colors-violet, ultramarine--
had been se, scarcely touch, to one side.
She'd had little patience with darkness, and her heart
held only a measure of shadow. I touched
the warm dust of those colors, her tools,
and left there with light on the tips of my fingers.

When my children were young, I bought some pastels. I liked the colored chalk in the box. I tried to draw and color a Collie. When I finished, I had tons of chalk dust on me. My Collie's face didn't look right either. I did enjoy opening the box of colors.

It's so interesting how color tells so much about our personality, like the lady in the poem. Most friends will soon ask, "what's your favorite color?" I have changed my favorite color from time to time. Maybe my change goes along with whatever is happening in my life at the time. For awhile I loved yellow. I remember hearing family tell about my babyhood. My father would always buy me a yellow dress, a yellow bonnet, yellow blanket. To feel closer to him and to please him, my first favorite color was yellow.

Now, I love blues and greens. There is an Eathan Allen commercial. The lady wears a lime green sweater. The walls of her house are lime green too. I think that commercial is so striking. By next year, it's possible, I might say yuck when seeing that commercial. Who knows? Color is a part of the emotions.

hats
October 7, 2006 - 02:44 pm
Oh, most importantly, I like the above poem because Ted Kooser mentions Mary Cassatt. I will never forget the discussion we had here about Mary Cassatt. The book is titled Mary Cassatt Reading The Morning Newspaper. I might have the title a little wrong.

Mary Cassatt is the famous painter. She loved to paint mothers and children. She also painted her sister. Her sister died of Bright's Disease.

Mary Cassatt

Maybe Mary Cassatt is one of Ted Kooser's famous painters.

Alliemae
October 8, 2006 - 07:44 am
Re-reading some of the poetry we've shared and remembering how much I loved the poem about the apron.

I have been, over the past few years (has it been that long), writing a book of vignettes for my children and grandchildren about our family as I saw them through my eyes as a child. I hope you will indulge me but this is an exerpt of the story I've been telling them about my mother's mother, Grandmom a.k.a. Elvie (for Elvira)...and also referred to by her children and grandchildren as 'the Queen'...

"She always wore an apron, or so I remember…and those little 'old lady' black shoes that tied up the front (I understand that Lauren Hutton swears by them!). She smelled very faintly of a wisp of soft, expensive cologne...and Italian cooking.

I remember wondering as a pre-teen and teen why Grandmom chose such muted colors for her dresses and aprons. I loved those soft shades. I'd seen housedresses and aprons a lot. They sold them at the larger 5 & 10 Cent Stores and at department stores and also at the Dry Goods Store. The patterns were all like Elvie’s patterns but the ones in the stores looked so garishly bright.

Finally, today, while ironing, at 64 years old, I understood about those aprons and those dresses. They were faded. They were faded from years of wearing and washing but always pressed so nicely I thought Elvie bought them in those lovely colors.

Oh, now do you know why this woman had made such a strong impression on me? Even faded aprons and dresses were elegant on Elvie!"

This month's poems seem to be filled with such reminiscences. At least I hope that's the case. Sometimes the memories elicited by Ted Kooser's poetry make me wonder if my life is passing right before my eyes...and we all know what that might mean! (sorry...superstitious here...must insert a 'tsu tsu'!!)

Alliemae

MarjV
October 8, 2006 - 09:02 am
I think Kooser is also inviting us to stretch our powers of all our senses. Think what we see when we read "Winter Morning" or "A Box of Pastels". Just for one, the colors soft and then vivid Darkness., a blue ring of flame. All our senses can be involved in many of his works. These mentioned poems include: Whisper of the kettle (sound); Feel of the dust(touch),

Loved your story of Grandmom Elvie, Alliemae. Written to invite images so nicely.

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 8, 2006 - 09:13 am
Yes, the idea of making more homey and personal our written memories - great lesson to learn thanks to Ted Kooser and it appears Alliemae you have adapted the lesson in order to tell your family memories.

Found this and like so many of Ted Kooser's poems it is just a comfortable read. When I was a kid the spring on the back door was loose and if I heard once I must have heard my Mom a thousand times call out, 'Girls, Don't let that screen door bang!" However this poem seems to be more about our early memories until we start an adult life with a partner. He does not say marriage but roses symbolic of love sounds to me like the beginnings of a married life and what we bring with us that we unhook from our past during our adult life.

THE BACK DOOR

The door through which we step out
into the past is an easy push,
light as the air, a green screen door
with a sagging spring. There's a hook
to unhook first, for there have been
incidents: someone has come up
out of the past to steal something good
from the present. We know who they are.
We have tried to discourage them
by moving from house to house,
from city to city, but they find us
again and again. You see them coming
sometimes from a long ways off —
a pretty young woman, a handsome man,
stepping in through the back garden gate,
pausing to pick the few roses.

Scrawler
October 8, 2006 - 10:41 am
My favorite color has always been "black." Don't ask me why. I really don't know, but I like wearing the color and much of my home has black accessories. As the seasons change I add various other colors to the black in my wardrobe and house. But I usually only add one color at a time which offsets the black.

Turkey Vultures:

Circling above us, their wing-tips fanned
like fingers, it is as if they are smoothing

one of those tissue-paper sewing patterns
over the pale blue fabric of the air,

touching the heavens with leisurely pleasure,
just a word or two called back and forth,

taking all the time in the world, even though
the sun is low and red in the west, and they

have fallen behind with the making of shrouds.

~ "Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser

That last line makes me shiver a little. I've never seen a turkey vulture up close and personal, but I have seen a goose. Not to long ago as I was resting by the swimming pool I saw a flock of geese fly overhead and the leader honked and one goose flew down very close to where I was and "eyed" me the way birds do. Than he honked several times and when I didn't respond he flew away to join his friends.

hats
October 8, 2006 - 11:09 am
I am behind in reading the posts. I am enjoying the thoughts shared and the poems so much this month. Alliemae, I love your story about Elvie and the aprons. I hope you continue to write the stories of your family.

MarjV, thank you. "Touch" is also here. Now I want to go back and reread the poems, remembering that "touch" also brings so many special memories and thoughts to mind. I remember touching my father's mustache. His mustache curled at the tips. I feel he was quite vain about that mustache. At times, he would sit and twirl the tips. I remember touching his mustache. It felt as stiff and steely strong as a Brillo pad. Yes, "touch" is very important in our lives.

MarjV
October 8, 2006 - 11:42 am
I think I'll repeat my post in another way....I do not think Kooser's poetry is all about reminiscing. I think it is also inviting his readers to live in the here and now. Using all your senses as you read his work, as you walk in the world, as you perhaps write poetry.; and as you reminisce. What do you see , hear , touch, feel, semll - in the now and if you like, in the past.

And one work Anna has been quoting from, Winter Morning Walks:Postcards to Jim Harrison, was his healing personal cancer healing work.

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Oh Scrawler, didn't you even honk back at that goose. Love the turkey vulture poeom.

JoanK
October 8, 2006 - 03:55 pm
ALLIEMAE: thanks! I don't remember what I said, but I'm sure it was well deserved. Really hoping we can meet at the Anniversity celebration!

I love the turkey vulture poem. He reminds us over and over to use our senses to the fullest. That is one reason why I love watching birds so much -- they are here one minute and gone the next. That minute is all you have, and if you are going to really SEE them, you have to do it to the fullest, right here, right now.

He has seen the turkey vulture perfectly!!

Scrawler
October 9, 2006 - 09:34 am
It has been carefully painted
with the outlines of tools
to show us which belongs where,
auger and drawknife,
claw hammer and crosscut saw,
like the outlines of hands on the walls
of ancient caves in France,
painted with soot mixed with spit
ten thousand years ago
in the faltering firelight of time
hands borrowed to work on the world
and never returned.

~ "Delights & Shadows" Ted Kooser

This poem reminds of the pegboard that was above my father's workbench. Not only did he have the tools that he used, but he also kept his father's tools as well. And woe to anyone who borrowed a tool and did not put it back in its proper place.

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 9, 2006 - 10:45 am
For me the ominous words “they have fallen behind with the making of shrouds" color the entire poem. They circle closer and closer gathering in a group to make their kill. Or, they sit on limbs and wire till they finally risk a roadside look before in mass they strip clean roadkill - never did watch to see how the bones disappear but the whole carcass is gone in a day -

And so I see these innocuous high flying slow wheeling black winged shapes that give us a perspective of how high the sky as such a dichotomy to the slow gliding vacuum that like a shroud should be cloth large enough to cover the entire body every bit of carcass disappears.

Talk about the grim reaper - ugly things and smelly - oh my word... They won’t stitch a shroud for their own though – best way to break up a roost is to leave a dead vulture or hawk at the rookery and they leave the area.

Alliemae
October 9, 2006 - 02:29 pm
"like the outlines of hands on the walls
of ancient caves in France,
painted with soot mixed with spit
ten thousand years ago
in the faltering firelight of time
hands borrowed to work on the world
and never returned.

If someone were to ask me what this poem means I wouldn't be able to explain what it said to me. But there is a feeling...some poignancy at some deeper level of myself...that is struggling to express a feeling akin to love of and gratitude toward our ancients and how, with so little, they gave so much to the world as we found their contributions to those of us who followed.

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 9, 2006 - 02:32 pm
How interesting, Barbara, I never heard that before. I learn something new here every day it seems!!

Thanks, Alliemae

MarjV
October 9, 2006 - 04:13 pm
Alliemae= I love what you thought about the pegboard poem. Great way to express it - can you imagine how they had to experiment to carry out their creative expression!

JoanK
October 9, 2006 - 04:58 pm
Yes, vultures are studies in contrast -- one of the most graceful of birds floating on wind currents, but ugly, smelly, and gross when on the ground. Kooser has caught both their beauty and their menace. We, like the vultures, and like the cave painters painting the animals they killed, contain both.

annafair
October 9, 2006 - 07:21 pm
Through Sunday I peeked in and read as fast as I could because amid the ten inches of rain that fell from our Nor'easter there were only a few minutes of rain that only lazily dropped down before a torrent came again..

It did give me joy to read the poems shared and the comments made..I dont think Kooser has written a bad poem..or at least not one that somehow fails to speak to me ..All of you have made such astute comments that just grab me and want to say YES Have I said that before? well it cant be said often enough because it is true.

Barbara you always add information that is both welcomed since it is usually isnt something that people know about and even when it sounds a bit gross we still appreciate having that bit of knowledge added to our understanding.

Everyone just takes Kooser;s poems and finds something to say, Not trivial but helpful for all.

Alliemae your comment I am finding is so true..somehow Koosers poems added to all we have discussed this year leaves me with recognizing I am not just who I am but the product of mankind from the beginning of time I would never arrived at today if they has nor preceded me..and poetry is my open sesame to that past and that understanding...

With the sun coming out today AT LAST I was changed from a motionless, slug like creature into someone who looked around and saw my house needed some care...so I have been busy but did find a poem to share ..

Since I love birds and feed them and care for them all year any poem about birds captivates me EVEN VULURES here is today;s poem..anna

January 27


Thirty-four degrees and clear …


Fifty or sixty small gray birds each with crests
in a bare hackberry tree this morning early,
not one of them making a sound
or even the neat black silhouette of a sound
against the rising sun. They let me
walk up close, then one by one
they leapt from their perches and dropped
and caught the air and swung away
into the north, becoming a ribbon first,
and then , in the distance, confetti,
as they sprinkled their breathtaking silence
into another bare tree.


Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

I dont know how Kooser finds just the right words but he does and all of a sudden I am there wherever he is and seeing what he sees.

Alliemae
October 10, 2006 - 05:38 am
Marj, and I'm always amazed at how brilliant we think we are. We've had all of the past to nudge us along to get where we are. I'm not discounting our achievements but when I think how our ancestors started with so much less. We humans are a social lot though, aren't we. I mean, the cave pics were always of the things and people around them and the animals they either feared or depended on.

Has anyone else in here besides me ever wished there really was a 'Time Tunnel'? That was my favorite tv show when I was growing up...well...that and Gene Autry movies!!!

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 10, 2006 - 05:52 am
Here, here to that, anna!

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 10, 2006 - 05:54 am
I love how you put things right snap into perspective, Joan...just love it!

Alliemae

Alliemae
October 10, 2006 - 06:19 am
Try as I might, I am having a difficult time choosing 'favorite lines' because it's so difficult to separate the parts from the whole, I guess.

I am thinking this is, in my opinion, one of Mr. Kooser's most poetic of poems and I wish I knew more about the mechanics or something so that I could express this better.

There are a couple of phrases I thought especially 'remember-able' but I'm going to ask your indulgence once again and copy the entire poem and just underline or bold those lines.

Fifty or sixty small gray birds each with crests
in a bare hackberry tree this morning early,
not one of them making a sound
or even the neat black silhouette of a sound
against the rising sun. They let me
walk up close, then one by one
they leapt from their perches and dropped
and caught the air and swung away

into the north, becoming a ribbon first,
and then , in the distance, confetti,
as they sprinkled their breathtaking silence
into another bare tree.

Guess you may all know by now that this is on my 'To Memorize' list!

Alliemae

MarjV
October 10, 2006 - 06:39 am
I agree with your underlines there, Alliemae - I'll have to watch for them sprinkling like confetti as they land. In our neighborhood we have a couple bird "trees" ,as I call them ,where you can look up and see that sight.

Alliemae
October 10, 2006 - 07:30 am
Hackberry tree with birds



http://forestry.about.com/od/hardwoods/ss/hackberry.htm



http://www.survivaliq.com/survival/edible-and-medicinal-plants-hackberry.htm

alliemae

Scrawler
October 10, 2006 - 10:00 am
In its stall stands the 19th century.
its hide a hot shudder of satin,
head stony and willful,
an eye brown as a river and watchful:
a sentry a long way ahead
of a hard, dirty army of hooves.

~ Ted Kooser ~ "Delights & Shadows"

I think it interesting that we today are product of the past. Not just the past of our own families, but the whole past and like the "horse" described above we have inherited many atributes both good and not so good in our own time. Hoppefully we stand watchful a sentry for our time.

MarjV
October 10, 2006 - 10:51 am
Selecting A Reader by Ted Kooser

First, I would have her be beautiful,
and walking carefully up on my poetry
at the loneliest moment of an afternoon,
her hair still damp at the neck
from washing it. She should be wearing
a raincoat, an old one, dirty
from not having money enough for the cleaners.
She will take out her glasses, and there
in the bookstore, she will thumb
over my poems, then put the book back
up on its shelf. She will say to herself,
"For that kind of money, I can get
my raincoat cleaned." And she will.

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I've read this several times now and don't quite know what to make of it. Anyone have any thoughts? Could it be that a poet just can't tell who will be turned on to his/her thoughts?

hats
October 10, 2006 - 01:13 pm
MarjV, I have read that poem too. I reread it like you. I see Ted Kooser's humility. Perhaps, he is always left surprised that people don't do like this lady in the poem. I bet he is still shocked by the fact of being a Poet Laureate. Some of his bio gives his impressions about being elected Poet Laureate. Ted Kooser definitely didn't expect that his name and poetry meant so much to America.

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 10, 2006 - 01:52 pm
OH my do I have a tumble of thoughts that connect both the birds and the hackberry and the old and dirty raincoat -

Hehehe most folks around here or I should say most the guys would say something like - "Those Damn birds spreading Hackberry seeds like confetti" the tree is a nuisance tree - breaks easily in a wind storm and clutters the ground with these unsightly berries. They always seem to grow up right on the fence line or between your best but slow growing oaks pushing themselves into a spread that takes up all the light. And they grow very very quickly - one minute they are a twig growing in the garden or against the back fence and before the summer is over if you didn't get it cut it down a tree has taken root beyond even a sapling so that they take an effort to remove.

Now along the fence lines separating fields from roads they can provide shade and a whole eco system will quickly take root as long as the roots of the Hackberry did not get into the ditch so that the next rain storm the roots dam up the water flow and then the road is flooded till the rancher gets someone over there to cut down the tree and dig out the roots from the drain ditch.

OK so we have the weed of trees and then gray birds - silent, not identified, or red or blue birds that have character but, gray birds - Silent, nameless birds among the nusense trees in which they do their job of spreading the growth of more nusense trees. These silent gray birds catch the wind - not force themselves on the wind but they catch the wind first in a black ribbon and then in confetti.

We are not given a picture of a single magnificent bird but rather a group of non-discript silent birds who do their job. These gray [the color symbol for the immortality of the soul] catch the vital breath of the universe [the wind] and as a ribbon ties and holds and connects, they fly as a ribbon between their mundane usefulness into the universe traveling on the wind till they scatter like the joy of confetti.

Where as the women in her old dirty raincoat is a single being she is not described as magnificent but rather as lonely during a nondescript afternoon - he doesn't say gray afternoon but it sure feels like a gray afternoon - she is as mundane as can be without being a character which is the way most poor folks are described -

Her soul loves poetry though she is part of society and what connects her to acceptable society is a clean raincoat and her money. She is thrifty while she takes time to connect her soul to her everyday needs. When she thumbs through a book of poetry, the food for her soul, she is not in keeping with what society expects when she wears an old dirty raincoat. She chooses to be a part of society which remind me of the birds that are not magnificent but do their job for the earth.

Art versus the practical and she, like the various aunts that Ted Kooser describes, will do the practical first and from that practical action others can see the beauty, the art in her being. And so like the gray birds that act without a plan, when the tree they scatter grows in just the right place, there is art in the lonely women in her old dirty raincoat playing the thrift game between societies expectations and her soul. I see the poet admiring that practical thrifty side of her as she thumbed through his poems compared to someone who is not careful with their money nor their other life choices.

annafair
October 10, 2006 - 03:44 pm
You defined it a 1000 times better than I could do I also agree with HAts I dont think Kooser expected the recogntion his poetry brings I think he writes poetry because he cannot not write it ..He has to write it to reach that special place in his soul that demands he express his feelings and acknowledges them...I dont think he cares as much about his books selling as about people reading them because they too must ..their soul also demands they acknowledge the world that Kooser shows ...

He was already a successful business man when he started writing I think he found that success is great but sometimes when you are successful you forget about the important things and somewhere alone the way Kooser looked around at the world , looked inside his being and said I HAVE TO EXPRESS the things I am seeing and what I am feeling..EVERY poet we have discussed has been superlative ..and I am equally convinced as we move on to other poets we will find something special in thier works as well But there is also a part of me that tells me Kooser is going to be a poet I will read when I need to feel a sense of purpose, a sense of the world and all the beauty and feelings it inspires. When I was younger and felt sad for any number of reasons that can make you feel sad I had a few poems I would read because they were sad about the ordinary things in life and I would weep while reading them When I would lay my book of poems aside I would close my eyes and allow what I had read wash over me ...a sense of peace would follow ..it is something I needed to do to stay sane and believing, grateful and whole....Kooser's book Winter Morning Walks I especially like because to me his message says NEVER STOP LIVING ..it was hard for him face his demons, cancer , surgery, chemo , radiation etc .. each of those poems is banner that says to me KEEP GOING ... LIVE !..and be aware of what a fantastic world we share ..anna

MarjV
October 10, 2006 - 04:10 pm
Barbara! Your post & ideas were great fun to read - thanks.

Anna - what a good way to e xpress it -it was hard for him face his demons, cancer , surgery, chemo , radiation etc .. each of those poems is banner that says to me KEEP GOING ... LIVE !..and be aware of what a fantastic world we share

His poems as a banner! wonderful. We carry a banner to "war" so to speak as he did . And he celebrates with his banners. Waving a banner is a way of celebrating.

annafair
October 11, 2006 - 04:38 am
For years one of my neighbors and I walked each morning three miles , summer , winter , hot cold We solved the worlds problems and our own Once when one of was ill we didnt walk for a week and we had a breakin one morning in one of the houses Neighbors who noticed our walks said if we had been walking it wouldnt have happened ..It was some kid who did it looking for some money..So and I laugh because while we felt alone on our walks we were noticed and others were cheered to see us..so we never know some of the simple things we do for ourselves also affects others as well.

Yesterday I was supposed to help my daughters mother in law, new to the area but apparantly a virus decided I should stay home. I went to bed and took Winter Morning Walks with me. True I didnt read long since I felt tired and ill but have to say TK's poems did help me to feel better... sort of word antibiotic...anna

December 3


Clear and cool


I have been sitting here resting
after my morning stroll, and the sun
in its soft yellow work gloves
has come in through the window
and is feeling around on the opposite wall,
looking for me, having seen me
cheerfully walking along the road
just as it rose, having followed me home
to see what I have to be happy about.


Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

hats
October 11, 2006 - 04:48 am
I am behind again. Anna, I love the way you described Ted Kooser's poems. His words give a "sense of purpose." This is why every poem of T. Kooser's is so very special. Some poets I want to read once, just to familiarize myself with their writings. Others write in a very personal and meaninful way, like Ted Kooser, I want to read again and again. I know their words are going to change me in a good way.

I have got to read Barbara's post. Maybe I haven't missed any other posts.

hats
October 11, 2006 - 05:23 am
Barbara, I love your insight on that T. Kooser poem. My mind never would have gone that way. I love your thoughts.

"Art versus the practical and she, like the various aunts that Ted Kooser describes, will do the practical first and from that practical action others can see the beauty, the art in her being."(Barbara)

I can think of that thought for days. I might write it in my journal. Thank you.

hats
October 11, 2006 - 05:27 am
Anna, I am so glad you are sharing "Winter Morning Walks." I am enjoying each posted poem. Only a poet could think of the sun in the way Ted Kooser does in his "Clear and Cool."

... the sun
in its soft yellow work gloves
has come in through the window


Without poets I would never open my eyes and see the old in a new way.

hats
October 11, 2006 - 05:29 am
Alliemae, I am tree challenged. Thank you for the links.

Scrawler
October 11, 2006 - 10:58 am
There is at least one pair
in every thrift shop in America,
molded in plastic or plaster of paris
and glued to a plaque,
or printed in church-pamphlet colors
and framed under glass.
Today I saw a pair made out of
lightweight wire stretched over a pattern
of finishing nails.
This is the way faith goes
from door to door,
cast out of one and welcomed at another.
A butterfly presses its wings like that
as it rests between flowers.

~ Ted Kooser "Delights & Shadows"

Perhaps we all should take a page from nature and not cast out our faith but rather nurture it the same way a butterfly does toward a flower.

hats
October 11, 2006 - 11:30 am
Scrawler, I like "Praying Hands" by Ted Kooser. Just the other day I packed away a pair of pillowcases stamped with praying hands. I didn't have all the right colors to start or finish the set. I like your comment about praying hands.

Barbara St. Aubrey
October 11, 2006 - 10:36 pm
I like this - the jaunty red flag gives me courage - there are times when my courage wanes - although, this poem was written when Ted Kooser needed all the courage he could muster while he was battling Cancer. The Chemo and not being able to eat was doing him in as he tried to drink enough calories to keep himself going.

He uses a wonderful image of himself as an old hay bale, dried out and bound in nylon, an unforgiving twine. And then the word twine can be a noun or double in your imagination as a verb.

Breezy and warm.

A round hay bale,
brown and blind, all shoulders,
huddled, bound tightly
by sky blue nylon twine.
Just so I awoke this morning,
wrapped in fear

Oh, red plastic flag on a stick
stuck into loose gravel,
driven over, snapped off,
propped up again and again,
give me your courage.

annafair
October 12, 2006 - 06:03 am
It is right to say I love that poem ? Maybe I am sensitive to it and what it is saying, perhaps even though I have not had cancer I have helped my husband through those dark days ..whatever I FEEL what TK is saying .

The poem I chose today answered an unasked question I have had for a long time. Knowing our home is well insulated I have often wondered when I would touch the wall when it was freezing outdoors why the wall felt cold? The furnace was running , the inside temperature 72 but the walls felt cold TK answers my question and I find myself saying OH THAT IS THE REASON..anna

December 22


Five below zero


The cold finds its way through the walls
by riding nails, common ten-penny nails
through a wall so packed with insulation
it wouldn’t admit a single quarter-note
from the wind’s soprano solo. Yet you can touch
this solid wall and feel the icy spots
where the nails have carried the outside
almost into the house , nickel-sized spots
like the frosty tips of fingers , groping
and you can imagine the face
of the cold, all wreathed in flying hair,
its long fingers spread, its thin blue lips
pressed into the indifferent ear
of the siding, whispering something
not one of us inside can hear .


Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

hats
October 12, 2006 - 06:09 am
Barbara, I like the "red plastic flag" too. Fear seems to be a part of the human condition. Some of us face bigger obstacles than others on earth. I have always heard that the fear is not important but what I will do with the fear. Will I find a "red plastic flag" of courage to help me along? Remember the song "Whenever I'm afraid, I will whistle a happy tune?" I think Deborah Kerr sang that song in "The King and I."

That little red flag is really living through some brutal days. Barbara, I know how that feels too. I am sure Ted Kooser really identifies with the red flag on a bad day. Still, the red flag pops up again.

Oh, red plastic flag on a stick
stuck into loose gravel,
driven over, snapped off,
propped up again and again,
give me your courage.

Scrawler
October 12, 2006 - 10:52 am
I like that poem, too Barbara and it does remind me of what my son and husband went through before they passed away.

Home Medical Dictionary:

This is not so much a dictionary
as it is an atlas for the old,
in which they pore over
the pink and gray maps of the body,
hoping to find that wayside junction
where a pain-rutted road
intersects with the highway
of answers, and where the slow river
of fear that achingly meanders
from organ to organ
a finally channeled and dammed.

~ Ted Kooser ~ "Delights and Shadows"

This poem reminds me of my days working as a disability claims adjuster for the state of California. I can't tell you how many times I used just such a book to help explain to injured and frightened people about what was happening to them. There were so many times that even the book didn't have the answers these people needed. It was than that I had to rely on common sense to help them.

MarjV
October 12, 2006 - 01:04 pm
"Five below zero" - an amazing poem. I wonder about the cold walls also. And already today, with 20ishs windchill my walls are transmitting.

And this I like so much: "the face of the cold, all wreathed in flying hair, its long fingers spread, its thin blue lips pressed into the indifferent ear of the siding, whispering something not one of us inside can hear "

Not that image I see so clearly. Cold definitely whispers it's way in before you know it.

Judi P.
October 12, 2006 - 01:27 pm
It brings back so many memories. My grandmother's boarding house back in Illinois....where I seriously doubt there was much insulation....the nails carrying the cold through the walls...oh my...love that explanation...and..the wind...I remember how the radiators "hissed" and the floors "creaked" when you walked....I could almost hear whispering in the walls as the wind howled outside. A tea kettle singing on the wood burning stove in her kitchen....cinnamon smells.....hot cocoa....the groaning of the furnace in the basement.....

Seems so long ago. My three children grew up in the south and never experienced many cold winters in their entire life....and it's so strange to think back and know that they can't identify with any of the unique childhood memories of one who grew up where four distinct seasons occured....

Their poetry comes from the ocean, the hustle and bustle of the city, and the quietness of the suburbs...with many warm and humid months in a row.

Annie3
October 12, 2006 - 01:54 pm
I love these poems. Thank you for introducing me to Ted Kooser.

MarjV
October 12, 2006 - 04:28 pm
Untitled
by Ted Kooser and Jim Harrison



Each time I go outside
the world is different
. This has happened all my life.



  • The clock stopped at 5:30
    for three months.
    Now it's always time to quit work,
    have a drink, cook dinner.



  • "What I would do for wisdom,"
    I cried out as a young man.
    Evidently not much. Or so it seems.
    Even on walks I follow the dog.



  • Old friend,
    perhaps we work too hard
    at being remembered.

    From Braided Creek: A Conversation in Poetry by Jim Harrison and Ted Kooser. Copyright © 2003 by Jim Harrison and Ted Kooser. Reprinted by permission of Copper Canyon Press. All right reserved.

    This is definitely an amusing poem. I rather see TK or JH making some fun of themselves in the last half. .

    Braided Creek contains more than 300 poems exchanged in this longstanding correspondence. Wise, wry, and penetrating, the poems touch upon numerous subjects, from the natural world to the nature of time. Harrison and Kooser decided to remain silent over who wrote which poem, allowing their voices, ideas, and images to swirl and merge into this remarkable suite of lyrics

    I quite like the first 3 lines. Yes, the world is different when you REALLY look to see.
  • annafair
    October 13, 2006 - 04:41 am
    Glad to know about the book with the haikus That was not on B&N's list ..My Winter Morning Walks continue to fascinate me ..and it seems each one stirs my memories and says to me YES I remember that too ..One of my favorite vine is bittersweet I never saw it until we visited my aunt in the country..It was winter the berries in orange so sharp in color it almost stabbed the eye ..I brought home some and put them in my room where it seems to me they stayed for a long time...When we moved to this house in 1972 I planted bittersweet It grew well but one year we had a very harsh winter and in spring it withered and died ..I havent seen it since then ..perhaps this is not a good place to grow or people just dont know how lovely those berries look in winter when everything else seems drab.

    november 26


    Sunny and pleasant


    How is it bittersweet could know
    to send its blind gray tendrils
    spiralling into the empty limbs
    of this particular cedar, dead and bony,
    set apart,in winter , on a hillside,
    where the bright red berries
    in their orange, three-petalled flowers
    are shown to such perfection?

    Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

    I am going to check my florist to see if they have any bittersweet I would like some to cheer me when winter is really here

    hats
    October 13, 2006 - 04:49 am
    Anna, I have never seen or heard of bittersweet. I would love that bright orange. At first, I thought of holly which we see all the time. I bet bittersweet is beautiful. Reading it again, the petals are orange. That's beautiful.

    MarjV, I enjoyed "Untitled." I especially love the last lines.

    Old friend,
    perhaps we work too hard
    at being remembered.


    Now that's something to think about in a given day.

    MarjV
    October 13, 2006 - 06:52 am
    You are right, Hats. Bittersweet has red berries at least for this poem.

    Anna, if you saw orange berries way back when ,it could have been a different shrub. But --- I just looked it up and there are Asiatic bittersweet that is red OR orange.

    That poem is absolutely vivid.

    ASIATIC BITTERSWEET: Asiatic Bittersweet is an invasive plant imported from China and Japan in the 1800s. It is much more prolific than the domestic bittersweet. It chokes trees, shades their leaves and eventually pulls them down.

    annafair
    October 13, 2006 - 07:29 am
    It must have been the asiatic bittersweet as it grew wild and rampant at my aunts as it did here as well but something killed it that winter ...and the berries which opened in winter and made the flower like shape were the brigtest orange I have ever seen ..sharp and I understand birds love them .

    Take care ...can Kooser write a poem I dont like >???I DONT THINK SO >>.anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 13, 2006 - 09:00 am
    Yes, my experience with Bittersweet is it has orange berries - Looks like American Bittersweet is disappearing - here is a link to a photo with the oriental Bittersweet http://www.nps.gov/plants/alien/fact/ceor1.htm = And if you scroll down there are some great photos of American Bittersweet on this web page - http://www.djroger.com/bittersweet.htm

    In Central Texas we have pyracantha that grows rampant - the berries are either red or orange according to the bush - here is a photo of the berries - http://www2.flickr.com/photos/seaoat/57301584/ - and here are several photos showing both the red and the orange berries - http://tinyurl.com/y8x2to

    The reason we do not see it in town as much any more is the thorns - they are painful and not like a rose bush where you can avoid them - it is great for keeping various animals away from houses and is probably why it used to be so prolific back 25 and 30 years ago before we became so big city.

    And our other red berry bush that takes over after a few years is Nandina - it is a form of Bamboo although the trunks looks nothing like bamboo. However like bamboo in no time flat will take over an area and trying to get rid of it is an effort beyond a quick workmen pulling out some roots - getting rid of the roots is almost impossible.

    Birds flock in when they are migrating to scarf up all the Nandina berries on their way north in early spring however, the berries are poisonous to humans - although like so many of us I decorate using them for the holidays.

    http://www.paghat.com/winterberries6.html

    Scrawler
    October 13, 2006 - 10:44 am
    This is the pipe that pierces the dam
    that holds back the universe.

    that takes off some of the pressure,
    keeping the weight of the unknown

    from breaking through
    and washing us all down the valley.

    Because of this small tube,
    through which a cold light rushes

    from the bottom of time,
    the depth of the stars stays always constant

    and we are able to sleep, at least for now,
    beneath the straining wall of darkness.

    Ted Kooser ~ Delights & Shadows"

    This poem has both a gentleness to it because of its rhythm and also a more serious side when we think about the words: "that takes off some of the pressure/keeping the weight of the unknown/from breaking through/ and washing us all down the valley."

    hats
    October 13, 2006 - 12:12 pm
    Barbara, thank you for the photos and information about the bitterberry. They are very pretty.

    Scrawler, this is another beautiful Ted Kooser poem. The poem seems to reach beyond my understanding. Something unreachable and as hard to grasp as the stars in the heaven comes through in the poem.

    annafair
    October 13, 2006 - 03:21 pm
    Thanks so much but after reading it and seeing the pictures I am confused My aunt and uncle retired to the country and the house they bought had once been a log cabin with a loft and a root cellar .. when they bought it the two room cabin had been enlarged to to add a very large kitchen and bedroom ..A lovely porch and sort of mud room also was added Steps to the loft were added which also made a sort of side entry The loft was my room when I visited..The bittersweet they had sounds like the native It was an old homestead in Missouri I remember the berries as being this very sharp color of orange and when dried made lovely decorations in the house for winter ..I note that many of the vines etc from my childhood that were prized by my relatives are now nuisance One thing is honeysuckle I loved it when my relatives had a hedge 6-8 ft tall and 4-5 wide The fragrance of the blossoms I found special but they had a farm When I planted here in my back yard 35 years ago it took OVER and although I have vigorously tried to get rid of it In a few years I will find it making headway again! goes to show even beautiful fragrant things are not always what they seem ...anna

    Alliemae
    October 14, 2006 - 10:26 am
    '19th century' and way before!

    After I read the poem about the horse I've been busily looking at horse pictures and reading exerpts about horses that I'd read before. I love horses...they have really been our partners in this world! So now I have decided to do a paper for our Classics newsletter, Ecce!, about the role of the horse in Ancient Greece and Rome.

    I see I have quite a lot of catching up to do and look forward to reading all the posts here during my absence...

    Be back later!

    Alliemae

    Scrawler
    October 14, 2006 - 11:27 am
    This year they are exactly the size
    of the pencil stub my grandfather kept
    to mark off the days since rain,

    and precisely the color of dust, of the roads
    lending back across the dying fields
    into the '30s. Walking the cracked lane

    past the empty barn, the empty silo,
    you hear them tinkering with irony,
    slapping the grass like drops of rain.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Delights & Shadows"

    I'm beginning to understand how Kooser got his interesting title: "Delights & Shadows". You see in this poem both the delights of the grasshoppers and than the shadows they make as well.

    hats
    October 15, 2006 - 06:37 am
    This is an empty house; not a stick
    of furniture left, not even
    a newspaper sodden with rain
    under a broken window; nothing
    to tell us the style of the people
    who lived here, but that
    they took it along. But wait:
    here, penciled in inches
    up a doorframe, these little marks
    mark the growth of a child
    impatient to get on with it,
    a child stretching his neck
    in a hurry to leave nothing here
    but an absence grown tall in a doorway.

    A house, once a home, is never fully empty. When I move out, I believe a part of my family is left behind: a note, a drawing, a fork, a pincushion. It is not known to me what will remain by mistake. I only hope my invisible presence will bring peace to others who come behind me.

    Alliemae
    October 15, 2006 - 07:30 am
    ...I came across this one. It's from somewhere around post #45 and was posted by anna and it is so incredibly touching...

    4:30 a.m.

    On mornings like this , as hours before dawn
    I walk the dark hall of the road
    with my life creaking under my feet, I sometimes
    take hold of the cold porcelain knob
    of the moon, and turn it , and step into a room
    warm and yellow , and take my seat
    at a small wooden table with a border of painted pansies
    and wait for my mother to bring me my bowl

    Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

    Thanks for posting this one anna...

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    October 15, 2006 - 07:31 am
    I'm only printing out a few of the poems. I'm sending her a couple of TK's poetry books for her birthday next month. I know she'll love them! Alliemae

    Scrawler
    October 15, 2006 - 10:17 am
    All night each reedy whinny
    from a bird no bigger than a heart
    flies out of a tall black pine
    and, in a breath, is taken away
    by the stars. Yet, with small hope
    from the center of darkness
    it calls out again and again.

    Ted Kooser ~ "Delights & Shadows"

    When I was a little girl and we would vacation near the Russian River in California I used to sit on the porch steps of our cabin and listen to the "night sounds." Being a city gal the country seemed to quiet for me especially at night, but the "owl" was always there and it was like he was playing hide and seek with me. I could hear him calling, but I didn't know where he was.

    annafair
    October 15, 2006 - 02:39 pm
    as much as the poems What amazes and delights me is the fact Koosers poems seem speak to each of us. He has caught the essence of our expierences by sharing his.Here is one I love because I love these sort of awkward spiders Ones my now grown son would allow to walk across his palm and call His Friend...anna

    Daddy Longlegs


    Here, on fine long legs springy as steel,
    a life rides, sealed in a small brown pill
    that skims along over the basement floor
    wrapped up in a single obsession.
    Eight legs reach out like the master ribs
    in a web in which some thought is caught
    dead center in its own small world,
    a thought so far from the touch of things
    that we can only guess at it. If mine,
    it would be the secret dream
    of walking alone across the floor of my life
    with an easy grace, and with love enough
    to live on at the center of myself.


    Ted Kooser Flying at Night

    MarjV
    October 16, 2006 - 06:38 am
    I am most fond of Daddy Longlegs. They are so light weight as to seem weightless. Now who'd think of that spider having thoughts. Hmmm!

    And what wisdom in the last lines: with love enough to live on at the center of myself. We need to be able to love ourselves. And we must know love to survive.

    hats
    October 16, 2006 - 06:45 am
    Anna, thank you for posting another wonderful poem by Ted Kooser. I love your thoughts MarjV. The last lines caught my attention too.

    I do admit to at first thinking of the movie and book "Daddy Longlegs. I think Fred Astaire played in that movie.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 16, 2006 - 09:29 am
    Excuse me for changing the subject however I want to let you all know Curious Minds is opened for October - wouldn't you like to share what four guests you would invite to be a part of a dream conversation? They can be four guests from history or, who are currently alive. Folks you would like to know more about therefore, will tell us a bit about them. Day dream for us questions you would like to ask them that you just know they alone could answer. Have some fun imagining a conversation in a setting that matches your fantasy dreams.

    What about one of the poets whose work we have read in the past few months or, someone who lived during the time that few could read but they were reading Chaucer or, how about some folks who struggled over leaving their home for a better life or, a past King or President who made a decision we still live with today or maybe, an early scientist and just where and how did they obtain their supplies - on and on -

    The imagination of those of us on Seniornet is broad and this is your opportunity to share who you would invite to your dream conversation. Here is the link - patwest, "Curious Minds ~ Who's Coming to Dinner? - Starting - October 16" #107, 11 Oct 2006 8:06 am

    Scrawler
    October 16, 2006 - 10:29 am
    Still dark, and raining hard
    on a cold May morning

    and yet the early bird
    is out there chirping,

    chirping its sweet-sour
    wooden-pulley notes,

    pleased, it would seem,
    to be given work,

    hauling the heavy
    bucket of dawn

    up from the darkness,
    note over note,

    and letting us drink.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Delights & Shadows"

    I like this little gem. I especially like the words: "chirping its sweet-sour/wooden-pulley notes."

    hats
    October 16, 2006 - 01:15 pm
    As the President spoke, he raised a finger
    to emphasize something he said. I've forgotten
    just what he was saying, but as he spoke
    he glanced at that finger as if it were
    somebody else's, and his face went slack and gray,
    and he folded his finger back into his hand
    and put it down under the podium
    along with whatever it meant, with whatever he'd seen
    as it spun out and away from that bony axis.


    I have experienced these moments. I am speaking. Some action or thought will flash in my mind, and I have to regroup and gather my thoughts all over again. Sometimes I know my memory has become faulty. Isn't it interesting? Our bodies are so intricate. All of the cells working together and separately too.

    hats
    October 16, 2006 - 01:18 pm
    I like "The Early Bird." It is a "gem."

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 16, 2006 - 02:14 pm
    Oh yes I agree Hats - especially like
    "hauling the heavy
    bucket of dawn

    up from the darkness
    note over note,

    and letting us drink.

    annafair
    October 17, 2006 - 06:24 am
    Love that thought Sometimes we forget how wonderful we really are. I do wish I had been cognizant of that fact when I was younger. Not that I would have done things different but appreciated more. I am posting a small poem , and I love the fact TK does small poems. You dont have to wait to get to the heart of the poem It is just there. I can read it and close my eyes and think "I like that.", and he has captured a moment in time..which is all we have..When I read it again and I do it seems to lay on my tongue and I can savor it .I can see my shadow on the ground following me or walking beside or stretching out in front so I look as tall as I have always wished to be and the last line speaks of love that is cherished and I like to think that was part of my life once too.....anna

    Five p.m.


    The pigeon flies to her resting place
    on a window ledge above the traffic,
    and her shadow, which cannot fly,climbs
    swiftly over the bricks to meet her there.


    Just so as you and I are gathered at 5:00,
    your bicycle left by the porch, the wind
    still ringing in it , and my shoes by the bed,
    still warm from walking home to you.


    Ted Kooser Flying at Night

    hats
    October 17, 2006 - 06:58 am
    Anna, what beautiful thoughts.

    MarjV
    October 17, 2006 - 09:32 am
    Here is a one page discussion by TK in North Dakota State University Journal.

    Thoughts by TK

    Scrawler
    October 17, 2006 - 10:06 am
    All night, this soft rain from the distant past.
    No wonder I sometimes waken as a child.



    ~ Ted Kooser ~ "Delights & Shadows"

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I as I grow older I tend to have dreams of the distant past especially when it is raining outside when I go to sleep and than when I first awaken I think I'm really back in the past for a few seconds until I'm fully awake and realize where I am. I like this small poem very much.

    MarjV
    October 17, 2006 - 10:57 am
    Interesting how TK equates dreaming of the past with rain falling. Must have been nice memories since he calls the rain "soft".

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 17, 2006 - 12:43 pm
    seems to me that Ted Kooser has a book about writing poetry - the link Marj made me think that if the book is anything like that interview it may be just the book for me - there are so many out there but few that give you a bird's eye view of how they work. It is encouraging to hear of the many poems he writes if he has 10 good ones a year he considers that good - I was just getting discouraged rather than realizing the many bad ones I write are just part of the process.

    I think what shocks me about memory is that my kids cannot see, as if they were magically there, the various happenings of my childhood especially, the family parties and get-togethers - they have no visual image of aunts and uncles and my grandparents - it is difficult for me to realize they were not there when we heard the announcement that Japan attacked or, heard Roosevelt on the radio telling us not to fear or, see hay stuffed rag men with signs saying they were Tojo hanging from poles and set on fire the night after Japan surrendered. So much landscape in my minds eye that seems incredible that my kids do not see.

    hats
    October 17, 2006 - 01:21 pm
    MarjV, that is a wonderful article. He writes his poems in a 9 by12 sketchpad. I have heard of writers using a yellow legal pad of paper. A sketchpad is really different. I like the idea. I think the article said his grad students need to read one hundred poems for every one poem they write. Reading poetry in order to write poetry is very important to Mr. Kooser.

    hats
    October 17, 2006 - 01:24 pm
    Barbara, your thoughts are very interesting too.

    Scrawler, I am glad you wrote that comment. The very same thing happens to me all the time. I have been wondering what in the world it all meant!

    MarjV
    October 17, 2006 - 04:01 pm
    Barbara, I just finished his "The Poetry Home Repair Manual". I think you'd like it.

    http://www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/bookinfo/4864.html

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 17, 2006 - 05:12 pm
    Sure looks good - lots of good reviews - now its on my list...! Thanks Marj...

    Mallylee
    October 18, 2006 - 01:25 am
    Thank you for Praying Hands. I sent it to the religious news group that I am in

    hats
    October 18, 2006 - 05:51 am
    I am enjoying "The Poetry Home Repair Manual" too. A friend encouraged me to read it. This is one quote from the book I find inspiring. The quote answers the question how do we get ideas in order to write a poem.

    "You do not even have to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait. Do not even wait, remain still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you unasked. It has no choice. It will roll in ecstasy at your feet"(Quote written by Kafka).

    MarjV
    October 18, 2006 - 06:22 am
    I thought that quote was quite remarkable, Hats.

    hats
    October 18, 2006 - 06:27 am
    MarjV, I agree. I wonder what our inhouse poets think about it.

    annafair
    October 18, 2006 - 10:38 am
    `Now isnt that close to what I wrote when you said you would like to try poetry >>??WOW who would have thought I was giving such GOOD ADVICE I may buy that book too although I have a lot of books from my classes that help one to write..anna

    MarjV
    October 18, 2006 - 10:49 am
    Another thing Kooser makes a huge point of telling would-be poets to observe, observe, observe. I think he had a minimum set number of things for them to observe each day. If you look at a leaf - what do you see in the leaf. Looking and observing are sure two different actions altogether. Don't remember exactly where that was in the book.

    hats
    October 18, 2006 - 11:05 am
    Anna, you don't need that book. You are already writing wonderful poetry. You did give me the very same advice. I haven't forgotten.

    hats
    October 18, 2006 - 11:07 am
    MarjV, I think observation is a very key point. I don't write poetry. I just can see the importance in observing, like a pear, a hand, a rose, etc.

    Scrawler
    October 18, 2006 - 11:21 am
    Barbara: The two books I have found the best "on writing" are the following:

    1)Title: "Steering the Craft"; Author: Ursula K. Le Guin; Publisher: The Eighth Mountain Press, Portland, Oregon; Copyright: 1998

    2) Title: "On Writing"; Author: Stephen King; Publisher: Scribner, New York, NY; Copyright: 2000.

    I tend to write mostly SF & mysteries so these books have helped me, but they may not be what you are looking for to help you in your creations.

    On the Road:

    By the toe of my boot,
    a pebble of quartz,
    one drop of the earth's milk,
    dirty and cold.
    I held it to the light
    and could almost see through it
    into the grant explanation.
    Put it back, something told me,
    put it back and keep walking.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Delights & Kooser"

    Ah! Yet another poem that reminds me of my childhood rock collection. I just collected rocks because I liked the feel of them and I liked running my fingers over the smooth or rough edges. Yes, and there was always that "voice" who told me to "put it back and keep walking", but to me that was my mother's voice and I doubt she was thinking of the environment in the 1950s.

    MarjV
    October 18, 2006 - 01:11 pm
    Scrawler, is that the correct word "grant" in that line above? Or is it a typo?

    Alliemae
    October 18, 2006 - 03:48 pm
    I see there has been a discussion on writing and poetry writing recently and I think I had it right a few years ago when I realized I was born an 'appreciator' and not an artist, musician or writer.

    So I've finally gotten rid of all those Writer's Digests that were cluttering my wee apartment and many, many books. Fortunately we have a library downstairs in the Common Room in my apartment complex so they won't go to waste.

    I do think I'll read "The Poetry Home Repair Manual" as it seems right up my alley.

    By the way, was there some talk in the beginning of the month that Ted Kooser was going to visit our group. If so, does anyone know when or other details. I would like to be here that day or time. Thanks!!

    Also, Barbara, that Guess Who's coming to Dinner looks mighty interesting...think I'll give that some thought altho it seems I may have missed the deadline. Pleasant thing to think about!!

    Alliemae

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 18, 2006 - 04:01 pm
    No deadline Alliemae - just drop in any time - we have the discussion open till the end of the month - it is neat I think to to day dream a bit about folks we would like to know more about and what a gathering of these folks would look like "if only..."

    - Pure fantasy and yet, by making these choices and limiting the number of choices as the heading of Curious Minds suggest - we end up reinforcing the values we think are important that are projected by these guests at our fantasy social.

    Here is a great Ted Kooser poem from Winter Morning Walks I can just see a boy and his Dad.

    The quarry road tumbles before me
    out of the early morning darkness,
    lustrous with frost, an unrolled bolt
    of softly glowing fabric, interwoven
    with tiny glass beads on silver thread,
    the cloth spilled out and then lovingly
    smoothed by my father’s hand
    as he stands behind the wooden counter
    (dark as these fields) at Tilden’s Store
    so many years ago. “Here,” he says smiling,
    “you can make something special with this.”

    annafair
    October 18, 2006 - 08:22 pm
    Yes Kooser's email address was on his biography page and I sent him an email letting him know we were going to discuss his poetry this month ...I mentioned all the poets we have discussed thus far, explained SN to him as well and that I was a volunteer I also invited him if he could to come and share with us. He answered immediately and said he would be honored.

    However he did email me that something had some up and he still hoped to visit us ..I replied and told him how much we were enjoying his poetry and we would hope he would see his way clear to stop by that it would only add to our enjoyment but regardless we were truly enjoying his works,. He hasnt written since that email and I am still hoping that he will stop by ..all one can do is ask and he was very postitive in his initial reply ..Like all of us Life can throw you a surprise ..I have been reading his books but havent chosen a poem today I have enjoyed the ones posted and the comments ..Like alliemae this place is so special and each of you have made it a joy to come here and read the poems you have chosen and how they help you to remember and lift your spirits...makes me feel better even I am not well or just a bit blue ..thanks . so much , anna

    Mallylee
    October 19, 2006 - 01:23 am
    Hats and Margv what good advice about writing poetry. Another good bit of advice that I know of is to get the rhythm going before anything else. For instance, choose the most suitable rhythm for a poem about that autumn leaf, and then let the words flow into the rhythm

    Alliemae
    October 19, 2006 - 06:36 am
    I hope and pray it's not a health issue and the he is allright. That's the important thing...and I hope his family is fine too.

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    October 19, 2006 - 06:38 am
    I will keep good and positive thoughts and prayers for you going out into the Universe, dear Leader!! Take care, ok...

    Hugs, Allie

    Scrawler
    October 19, 2006 - 11:11 am
    Typo: Yes, "grant" should have been "grand". Thanks for catching that.

    After Years:

    Today, from a distance, I saw you
    walking away, and without a sound
    the glittering face of a glacier
    slid into the sea. An ancient oak
    fell in the Cumberlands, holding only
    a handful of leaves, and an old woman
    scattering corn to her chickens looked up
    for an instant. At the other side
    of the galaxy, a star thirty-five times
    the size of our own sun exploded
    and vanished, leaving a small green spot
    on the astronomer's retina
    as he stood in the great open dome
    of my heart with no one to tell.

    ~Ted Kooser "Delights & Shadows"

    Wow! What imagery and how sad that he had no one to tell.

    Alliemae
    October 19, 2006 - 03:53 pm
    "Today, from a distance, I saw you
    walking away..."

    Yes, how sad...and that one person walking away can sometimes mean that there is 'no one' to tell...I know the feeling.

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    October 20, 2006 - 06:41 am
    "The quarry road tumbles before me
    out of the early morning darkness,
    lustrous with frost

    I also see a boy...but a boy on his own, whose daddy had passed away when he was only nine years old and this young boy would be thinking of the poem he was writing and maybe kicking a stone or two. I think part of my dad's strength came from the quarries in Rockland.

    And, knowing my dad...I'm sure he could feel his dad's presence on these early morning walks.

    There was always a store or two just like Tilden’s Store up in the highlands of Rockland...and a proprietor just as kind!

    Oh how I love this poem!

    Alliemae

    annafair
    October 20, 2006 - 06:55 am
    Rainy here and tonight the temperature will tumble and tell us winter is waiting in the wings...Yesterday was my youngest grandson's 1st birthday..He has learned to walk and will hardly sit still in his joy of this discovery. His favorite part of the gifts was the wrapping which he tore and waved and crunched in small fists ..He loved the balloons and looked in a curious way as we set a cake ( I made ) shaped like a teddy bear with a single 1 candle and we sang Happy Birthday, I am not sure he wasnt thinking WHAT KIND OF NUTS ARE THESE PEOPLE?

    These are the poems I chose to share today ..I often think when I read Koosers poems how he personifies so many things..in the second it is the moon and I can see how when the moon is still out and dawn is almost here the stars dropping away and disappearing ,...and in he first one ,.,a couple of times we have been more or less snowed in, the back door latched from outside by snow and ice and we had to let the dog out the garage door. Kooser uses words like paint brushes and shows us a canvas we can all understand..anna

    February 1


    Breezy and cold


    New snow has dropped its bed sheets
    over a month ‘s old furniture
    and with its icy dead -bolt locked the house
    where January lived.


    Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks


    A Quarter Moon Just Before Dawn


    There’s sun on the moon’s back
    as she stoops to pick up
    a star that she’s dropped in her garden.
    And stars keep falling,
    through little holes in the bottoms
    of her sweater pockets.
    She’s stretched them out
    by hiding her hands all these years-
    big peasants hands
    with night under their nails.


    Ted Kooser Flying at Night

    Scrawler
    October 20, 2006 - 05:56 pm
    Just now,
    a sparrow lighted
    on a pine bough
    right outside
    my bedroom window
    and a puff
    of yellow pollen
    flew away.

    ~Ted Kooser "Delights & Shadows"

    What a gentle poem, but what a wonderous thought!

    hats
    October 21, 2006 - 05:11 am
    Anna, I love the description of snow in "Breezy and Cold." Ted Kooser is really gifted in metaphors and all that poetic language. Scrawler, I love "A Glimpse of the Eternal" too. It's such a gentle poem. I can feel the movement in the poem.

    Alliemae
    October 21, 2006 - 07:50 am
    such simplicity holding such a great truth...it gave me the chills.
    It always amazes me how Nature can accomplish such great, sustaining things so simply whereas we, the human race, need hundreds of minds and billions of dollars to assumedly arrive at solutions to problems we have created, including and/or causing the killing of thousands or more innocents.

    "A Quarter Moon Just Before Dawn" (TK via annafair)

    This is such a poetic poem that I don't understand it really. But I am touched by

    "big peasants hands
    with night under their nails."

    hidden deep in the 'stretched-out pockets' of her cardigan.

    Alliemae

    MarjV
    October 21, 2006 - 10:37 am
    Enchanting! That's how so many of TK's poems are like "Eternal..."

    And the more earthy ones are equally fascinating.

    Just wish I had a couple books to have in hand thru this month to savor. Can't very well gaze out the window in thought with the computer monitor in your face.

    ~Marj

    Scrawler
    October 21, 2006 - 11:03 am
    This evening, I sat by an open window
    and read till the light was gone and the book
    was no more than a part of the darkness.
    I could easily have switched on a lamp,
    but I wanted to ride this day down into night,
    to sit alone and smooth the unreadable page
    with the pale gray ghost of my hand.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Delights & Shadows"

    This is the last poem in the book "Delights & Shadows" and how appropriate it is showing both the delights of reading & than the shadows that follow. And also I assume the end of a very happy birthday - day!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 21, 2006 - 12:47 pm
    I also loved that Anna shared ""A Quarter Moon Just Before Dawn" - it goes back and forth between images of the moon likening them to the practical images of someone wearing a worn out sweater -

    I almost said a kid till I remembered seeing mostly women with their big useful hands in the pockets of their old and familiar sweaters. A typical 1930s picture when more of us did physical work to survive where as today we are dressed clean and fashionable - we have learned to speak up in public and have the education to put our thoughts into words - so we no longer jam our hands in our sweater pockets as a way to hide from having to respond - there are probably pockets of people who are about survival from working the soil rather than wearing sweaters that have no worn spots -

    I love the idea of making the sun a stooping woman and all the happenings in the sky are the actions of this stopping women in the old cardigan sweater. We have always called the sliver of moon before it turns dark or when it just returns from dark a toe nail moon - here Ted Kooser seems to be saying it is a fingernail moon from the fingernails of the sun.

    Makes sense because it is the reflection of the sun on the moon that we see and when the earth is in the way we do not see the entire moon. Lots going on in that poem isn't there...

    Alliemae
    October 22, 2006 - 07:47 am
    By George, Hats, I think you've just helped me 'get it'. My weakness is in not letting go and not using my imagination to understand (I don't know if 'understand' is multi-layered enough a word...maybe 'grok'???) metaphors.

    So many of you do, oh 'fellow readers of poetry' and Hats, you are definitely one of those. Not only are you gifted in metaphors but you have that very special knack of presenting your interpretation simply so that people like me can understand it.

    "We have always called the sliver of moon before it turns dark or when it just returns from dark a toe nail moon..." (Barbara)

    And you, Barbara, also have a special talent. I've just read your interpretation and it's like prose poetry...and I love 'digging out' the meanings...like a tussle with fried chicken and boiled crabs to get all the meat on a warm summer evening with the neighbors on the front porch!

    alliemae

    Scrawler
    October 22, 2006 - 11:01 am
    Introduction "poem" from "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser:

    The quarry road tumbles toward me
    out of the early morning darkness,
    lustrous with frost, an unrolled bolt
    of softly glowing fabric, interwoven
    with tiny glass beads on silver thread,
    smoothed by my father's hand
    as he stands behind his wooden counter
    (dark as these fields) at Tiden's Store
    so many years ago. "Here," he says smiling,
    "you can make something special with this."



    I love this gem. It saddens me that now children are given expensive computer toys that don't stretch their imagination like a simple piece of cloth. When I was a child it seemed that we used our imagination more and produced far more rewarding things from simple objects than can ever be done on a computer. Reading and imagination came hand and hand and add to that the simple objects and oh the fun one could have.

    Alliemae
    October 22, 2006 - 05:35 pm
    "I wanted to ride this day down into night,
    to sit alone and smooth the unreadable page
    with the pale gray ghost of my hand."

    When my day is done, birthday or otherwise, this poem reminds me that I have a habit of 'smoothing' out my sometimes 'unreadable' mind by smoothing my temples and forehead...

    It's so easy to connect to Ted Kooser's poems...

    alliemae

    hats
    October 23, 2006 - 08:09 am
    This poem reminds me of my mother. She sewed all my life. She could spend hours looking at pattern books. Then, spend a few more hours touching bolts of fabrics, remnants of fabrics, always with a gleam in her eye.

    Alliemae
    October 23, 2006 - 10:32 am
    Hats that's exactly how I feel about fabrics...and buttons too!! alliemae

    hats
    October 23, 2006 - 10:43 am
    Alliemae, I love buttons too!!

    Scrawler
    October 23, 2006 - 01:12 pm
    Walking by flashlight
    at six in the morning
    my circle of light on the gravel
    swing side to side,
    coyote, raccoon, field mouse, sparrow,
    each watching from darkness
    this man with the moon on a leash.



    I do miss my wild animals that I used to see in my other apartment complex. Here there are too many dogs and cars for the safety of these animals; not to mention the humans. I still see an occasional cat while I make my rounds and my indoor cat got a lesson from the kitchen window the other day on how to catch a bird or perhaps more appropriately how not to catch a bird from an outside cat. I'm just as glad that the bird got away, but the cat's viewpoint might be different. I love the last line of this poem!

    MarjV
    October 24, 2006 - 06:02 am
    That's a wonderful poem. I felt right in step with him. And I also like that last line very much. "moon on the leash". That phrase will stick with me.

    Scrawler
    October 24, 2006 - 10:23 am
    The sky hangs thin and wet on its clothes line.

    A deer of gray vapor steps through the foreground,
    under the dripping, lichen-rusted trees.

    Halfway across the next field,
    the distance (or can that be the future?)
    is sealed up in tin like an old barn.

    ~Ted Kooser "Winter Morning Walks"

    As I look across the street now I can see the illumination of a window coming from the back of the movie theatre across the street. It does indeed look like something "from the future" - it seems to be a red glow coming from I know not what, perhaps in my imagination the glow is from a flying saucer that just landed and the little green men have yet to come out. You can see where my imagination goes sometimes, but aren't movie theatres producers of such. Now tell me have you ever seen a real flying saucer in the middle of a town - no on second thought don't tell me -

    annafair
    October 24, 2006 - 10:23 am
    I must confess I am addicted to fabric and have a containe with 20 small drawers full of buttons and I keep buying more ..I love the feel of fabric and the patterns the texture perhaps we are so attuned to each other because without knowing we share so many likes ...

    My company from out of town have left and are keenly missed We met them while we were stationed in Europe and that dates back to 1953 We have kept in touch over the years and our youngest son was named after the father and one of their daughters has my middle name and our youngest has the middle name of the mother.,.It was SO GREAT to see them again,

    I have sat down several times to decide on a poem to post but find I become lost in reading TK's poems and then it is time to let the dog out, or go shopping for groceries, get my flu shot etc anyway it is always a difficult choice for me since all of TK's poems just seem to speak to me ..here is mine for today..............

    I havent traveled much lately but when last I went west to Iowa I passed places like TK describes and felt a sense of loss because everything had changed since last I drove that way ..the farmhouses are really part now of urban spread,People moving out and no longer are farms just occupied houses Farming rquires a dedication and few families have the time to give to a farm They just occupy the land not till, it,,anna

    Houses on the Edge of Town


    These are the houses of farmers
    retired from thier fields;
    white houses, freshly folded
    and springing open again
    like legal papers. These are houses
    drawn up on the shore of the fields,
    their nets still wet,
    the fishermen sleeping curled in the bows.
    See how the gardens
    wade into the edge of the hayfield
    the cucumbers crawling out under the lilacs
    to be in the sun


    TK from Flying at Night

    hats
    October 24, 2006 - 11:00 am
    Anna, I like "Houses on the Edge of Town." It's hard to pick a favorite line. I do like

    white houses, freshly folded
    and springing open again
    like legal papers.

    Alliemae
    October 25, 2006 - 04:56 am
    Scawler, this post was enormously entertaining...what an imagination!! But that last line was the perfect finish!!

    See how the gardens
    wade into the edge of the hayfield
    the cucumbers crawling out under the lilacs
    to be in the sun (annafair)

    I like the way Ted Kooser portrayed the affirmation of Nature's creation's 'knowing' how to survive...

    alliemae

    hats
    October 25, 2006 - 04:59 am
    Scrawler, I love the last line too. I always enjoy your comments. I didn't feel well yesterday. I might have missed some posts. Sorry.

    Alliemae
    October 25, 2006 - 05:02 am
    Nothing serious I hope...feel better soon, ok!!

    Hugs, alliemae

    hats
    October 25, 2006 - 05:10 am
    Alliemae, I feel fine today. Nothing serious.

    Scrawler
    October 25, 2006 - 11:23 am
    How is it bittersweet could know
    to send its blind gray tendrils
    spiralling into the empty limbs
    of this particular cedar, dead and bony,
    set apart, in winter, on a hillside,
    where the bright red berries
    in their orange, three-petalled flowers
    are shown in such perfection?

    ~ Ted Kooser ~ "Winter Morning Walks"

    The bright red berries remind me of watching the birds picking at them at this time of year. Evidently the berries make the birds drunk and its hilarious to watch them as they try and walk a straight line. But you have to be careful that the cats don't get to them, although every once in awhile a "drunk" bird will go right up to a cat or a human and chirp its head off at them.

    Scrawler
    October 26, 2006 - 09:48 am
    I was alive and looking
    the right direction
    when hundreds of starlings
    were perched on the sky,
    or so it seemed,
    though they were really
    sprinkled all over
    the aluminum roof of a barn
    that in fog was sky,
    the color and wetness of sky.
    They made a noise
    like water dripping as they pecked
    at the slippery gray,
    but only for the instant
    in which I was to be their witness,
    for then, without a sound,
    both sky and roof went blank,
    and cleanly separate,
    and every bird was gone.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Winter Morning Walks"

    I don't like to drive in fog, but I enjoy watching the fog from the window. Like the poem suggests sometimes you "think" you see something that is only across the street and than suddenly you look "and both sky and roof [go] blank". It is an eerie feeling especially around Halloween.

    MarjV
    October 26, 2006 - 04:10 pm
    I've heard birds peck on a metal roof exactly as he describes. The onoe neighbor used to have an aluminum shed and I heard them while working in the yard. This poem reminded me of their pecking sound.

    ~marj

    annafair
    October 27, 2006 - 11:31 am
    I have always loved to walk in a fog . not drive but when I Have had to I always felt I was in some distant place the taillights would waver and disappear ahead of me and the countryside the same A house would be there and then nothing ..as long as the traffic was light it was a special time...

    Perhaps the East is to crowded because most of Koosers poems stir my memories of living in Illinois as a child and traveling West with my Aunt Nora and Uncle Reed on their vacations. and when I have returned so much looks abandoned ...this poem reminded me of those pictures in my mind from my travel there .I have never seen a giant slide abandoned but vegetable or fruit stand or places that once sold cider and plows ect forgotten and rusting in the fields ...anna

    The Giant Slide


    Beside the highway, the Giant Slide
    with its rusty undulations lifts
    out of the weeds. It hasn’t been used
    for a generation. The ticket booth
    tilts to that side where the nickels shifted
    over the years. A chain link fence keeps out
    the children and drunks. Blue morning glories
    climb halfway up the stairs, bright clusters
    of laughter. Call it a passing fancy
    this slide that nobody slides down now.
    Those screams have all gone east
    on a wind that never stops blowing,
    down from the Rockies and over the plains,
    where things catch on for a little while,
    bright leaves in a fence , and then are gone.


    Ted Kooser Flying at Night

    Scrawler
    October 27, 2006 - 12:02 pm
    I have been sitting here resting
    after my morning stroll, and the sun
    in its soft yellow work gloves
    has come in through the window
    and is feeling around on the opposite wall,
    looking for me, having seen me
    cheerfully walking along the road
    just as it rose, having followed me home
    to see what I have to be happy about.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Winter Morning Walks"

    What a delightful thought of the "sun" looking for me, having seen me cheerfully walking along the road. I've had that happen to me. I'll leave my house to go for a walk and it will be cool and cloudy and than when I return I'll look around and it will seem that the sun was indeed following me home and is streaming through my window.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 27, 2006 - 04:27 pm
    ooowwww I like that - like going out to find the sun and bring it home to be your friend - like finding a lost puppy and bringing it home to play with. I can go on and on with that image.

    "bright leaves in a fence , and then are gone" wow - what a line - lots of bright leaves that get caught in a fence and then are gone when you think about personalities... wow - profound...

    Scrawler
    October 28, 2006 - 10:27 am
    In fair weather, the shy past keeps its distance
    Old loves, old regrets, old humiliations
    look on from afar. They stand back under the trees
    No one would think to look for them there.

    But in fog they come closer. You can feel them
    there by the road as you slowly walk past.
    Still as fence posts they wait, dark and reproachful,
    each stepping forward in turn.



    ~Ted Kooser " Winter Morning Walks"

    How true this is. There does seem as you walk in fog that something is there waiting in the dark. I once took a walk in the fog and as I walked I thought I heard footsteps, but when I turned around no one was there. I shrugged it off as being just my imagination and yet I felt that there was something following me. I'd like to think that perhaps it was only the past, reproachful yes, but the past that can't hurt you unless you let it.

    MarjV
    October 28, 2006 - 10:40 am
    Great comment about the past, Scrawler!

    Barbara writes:
    ooowwww I like that - like going out to find the sun and bring it home to be your friend - like finding a lost puppy and bringing it home to play with. I can go on and on with that image.

    "bright leaves in a fence , and then are gone" wow - what a line - lots of bright leaves that get caught in a fence and then are gone when you think about personalities... wow - profound...


    As soon as I read B's first comment my imagination went right on with that image. All you can bring home. [YOu can even bring negatives if you are not careful]. A walk can be so refeshing while you are out and when you bring home scenes and ideas you saw.

    And what a thought about personalities caught on a fence and then gone. How wonderful that can happen because of course we do not like or mesh with all personalities and some have downer emanations! And some are so uplifting as to be a gift.

    Scrawler
    October 29, 2006 - 09:36 am
    As if to share the birds at the feeder
    any more competition than they already have,
    a snowflake drops right past the perches
    crowded with finches, nutatches, sparrows,
    and without even thinking to open its wings
    settles quietly onto the ground.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Winter Morning Walks"

    What Imagery! We don't have snow here, but its cold & wet & I wouldn't be surprised if it snowed. Yesterday I was watching a hummingbird as it fluttered around & around two cats. Both cats after awhile lay down on the ground as if they were dizzy from watching the bird & the bird was off fluttering around some place else.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 29, 2006 - 11:11 am
    Just lovely Scrawler - thank you for sharing that one - just lovely...

    His poems are almost like conversation or picking up the phone after a walk and sharing what you saw - and yet, there is the beauty that he sees that we seldom think it important enough to pick up the phone to share with someone...

    Alliemae
    October 29, 2006 - 03:25 pm
    ...to Ted Kooser interviews using the link above for his website and the more I listen to Mr. Kooser read and explain his own poetry I feel much calmer than when I try to 'interpret' the poetry without any help from the poet.

    I think when I read alone I can read the poetry with feeling if something in the poem touches me subjectively. I'm afraid I've never tried to develop my visual imagination even though I can appreciate the works.

    What plunged me into this repeat of a pastime I have enjoyed all through this month was the part in Winter about the snowflake deciding not to spread its wings so as not to make it even more difficult for the birds at the already crowded bird feeder. I thought to myself, "What kind of person can notice this sort of thing and then be able to express it?" It would never occur to me for a snowflake to either fold or open its wings (which it doesn't have anyway) and so off I went to listen to the man himself.

    I wonder if being a Sagittarius who sees the whole picture rather than the tiny details, which through reading and listening to Ted Kooser are positively and delightfully stuffed with meaning, means that I'll have to wait for another reincarnation in another sign...

    Alliemae

    hats
    October 30, 2006 - 06:01 am
    Scrawler, I enjoyed "Cold" too. You can feel the silence of the snowflake falling. It is amazing what Ted Kooser can do with poetry. I agree with Barbara and Alliemae.

    hats
    October 30, 2006 - 06:06 am
    Anna, I love The Giant Slide. I love the fact that Ted Kooser used morning glories. Morning Glories do have a will to survive in the strangest, ugliest and forgotten places. It's as if their goal or their life's purpose is to bring beauty to every part of the earth. Morning glories make a heavy heart feel light again. Life is not all dark if this flower can reach up and grow in an alley, by an abandoned house or by a giant slide.

    Blue morning glories
    climb halfway up the stairs, bright clusters
    of laughter.

    annafair
    October 30, 2006 - 08:28 am
    that touch you I have already read them and couldnt decide which to share, All of them are so good. TK's poems to me for the most part are soothing and calms me just to read them .

    OH I hate to see us leave Ted Kooser’s poetry I am going to try to write poems for postcards. Like Kooser’s I hope they are brief and unique and observant about the simple things in our lives. I have been Entertaining my 10 year old grandson this weekend . He is an active, curious child which means you don't leave him alone for a minute.

    Here is the poem I have chosen for today..Sometimes when I read TK;s poems I think he must be Irish He has such a fey way of looking at things and seeing what is not but what could be..anna

    At the Office Early


    Rain has beaded the panes
    of my office windows
    and in each little lens
    the bank at the corner
    hangs upside down,
    What wonderful music
    this rain must have made
    in the night, a thousand banks
    turned over, the change
    crashing out of the drawers
    and bouncing upstairs
    to the roof, the soft
    percussion of ferns
    dropping out of their pots,
    the ball point pens
    popping out of their sockets
    in a fluffy snow
    of deposit slips.
    Now all day long ,
    as the sun dries the glass,
    I'll hear the soft piano
    of banks righting themselves,
    the underpaid tellers
    counting their nickels and dimes.


    Ted Kooser Flying at Night

    JoanK
    October 30, 2006 - 08:47 am
    I love that. Who but Kooser could make poetry out of banks.

    I' too, hate to leave Kooser. What a treasure! But thanks to Anna, I'll always have him.

    I have read Akmatova (sp?). A very different poet -- we'll have to adjust. But well worth reading.

    Scrawler
    October 30, 2006 - 11:22 am
    Horsetail cirrus miles above,
    stretched all the way from Yankton to Wichita.
    I stoop on the road, small man in coat and cap,
    tying his shoe.

    A curled, brown leaf lies on its back,
    lifting its undistinguished edges
    into the glory of frost.

    ~Ted Kooser "Delights & Shadows"

    I too am sorry to leave Ted Kooser, but in many ways thanks to you & this discussion I won't be leaving him at all. Just like the man in this poem when I go for my walks and see "a curled, brown leaf [laying] on its back" I'll think of Ted Kooser.

    annafair
    October 30, 2006 - 11:39 am
    Like you I dont think I will ever take a walk again that I wont be aware of all the simple things that makes God's world beautiful and special Across the street my neighbors rose bushes are putting on their final show for the year and they are beautiful and it is okay to admire them but this morning the later arriving dawn was just touching the tops of the trees and with all the leaves almost gold it was like seeing a treasure of beaten gold leaves stirring in the morning air. Velvet capped chickadees were at my feeders and a HUGE blue jay in shadesof blue topaz was out there complaning He wanted the feeder to himself I had to laugh at how bossy he was..I think I have always noticed these special scenes but because of Kooser my awareness is heightened and when I see things in the future my mind is going to ask How would Kooser have described this..anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    October 30, 2006 - 11:41 am
    More than anything what Ted Kooser did for me is give me a greater appreciation for my son-in-law a true man of the mid-west who chooses the practical over art and seeing now he is a remarkable phenomenon of art because of his practical choses.

    Alliemae
    October 30, 2006 - 08:28 pm
    And I will do my best to remember to concentrate...I mean, REALLY LOOK, at at least six 'little things' every day.

    As it is only a couple of hours from Hallowe'en here on the East Coast, I would like to post a short poem written by my dad, partly because it's Hallowe'en and partly because I think if Ted Kooser would read it he would be amused as well.

    FUNNY FACE

    There are lots of funny faces,
    I have surely seen a pile;
    But I have one I wear myself
    That beats them all a mile.

    If you'd a sense of humor,
    You'd surely laugh to see,
    The Hallowe'en contraption
    I wear in front of me.

    It's really unbelievable;
    I stand out in a crowd;
    Why my friends they don't smile at me,
    They just laugh right out loud.

    But there's one good thing about me;
    I'm not two-faced I'll say.
    'Cause if I had another one
    I'd throw this one away!

    by Frank E. Knight

    Alliemae
    October 30, 2006 - 08:33 pm
    ...was to notice at least six small things daily and really look at them. Well, I don't know if this will make a poet out of me but I had the best fun all day just a few minutes ago.

    After one of my favorite BritComs they play the New Jersey Lottery and as I watched the numbered balls hurled into the air by whatever they use--I think some kind of forced air--all I could think of was 'a flurry of frenzied fleas jumping in a cacaphony of directions over a rotting garbage heap!!'.

    Now I know that this is not poetry, but just knowing that doing this 'noticing' exercise whenever I want (at least six times a day) will surely entertain me and is a certain cure for the doldrums!!

    Alliemae

    annafair
    October 31, 2006 - 01:19 am
    Thanks so much for sharing your dad's poem and 'a flurry of frenzied fleas jumping in a cacaphony of directions over a rotting garbage heap!!'.tells me you are a a chip off the block I laughed out loud at your "noticing things" Please continue to share we can all use some humor ...and you have it! anna

    annafair
    October 31, 2006 - 08:43 am
    I say for this month because I feel there are times when I will be reading his poetry and just have to share his thoughts. Our poet for November is and will be quite different from the serenity of Koosers works.

    I have read some of her poetry over the years and find it special in its own way. And she was declared Russias greatest woman poet so I believe she is worthy of our attention,

    So with a bit of sadness I post this poem by TK and thank him for his gift of seeing things in such special and unique ways. anna

    March 18


    Gusty and Warm


    I saw the season's first bluebird
    this morning, one month ahead
    of its scheduled arrival. Lucky I am
    to go off to my cancer appointment
    having been given a bluebird, and,
    for a lifetime, having been given
    this world.


    Thanks to Ted Kooser Winter Morning Walks

    Scrawler
    October 31, 2006 - 10:32 am
    How important it must be
    to someone
    that I am alive, and walking,
    and that I have written
    these poems.
    This morning the sun stood
    right at the end of the road
    and waited for me.

    ~ Ted Kooser "Winter Morning Walks"

    I am so glad he wrote these poems & I am so glad that we were able to discuss & share them. Sharing is I think something that has been forgotten in our day & age. I'm sure you can remember your mothers telling you to share with younger siblings & friends. If only "sharing" were to become popular once again, what a world this would be.

    JoanK
    October 31, 2006 - 01:53 pm
    How he takes me back to my days as a cancer patient. The only good thing about having cancer is that you really feel that each day is a gift -- a treasure to be used to the fullest. Now, six years later, the cancer is gone. So is that realization. Can we only see gifts when we're afraid to lose them?

    The bluebird poem was an important poem for me today. I was in a lot of pain last night, and was feeling discouraged and depressed. Now let me be open to see what gifts this day has for me.

    hats
    October 31, 2006 - 02:18 pm
    JoanK, your post is beautiful. Your post gives so much to think about and what not to take for granted. I have enjoyed this month reading Ted Kooser. I am behind in reading posts. Please excuse me.

    annafair
    October 31, 2006 - 06:45 pm
    You have expressed yourself so well and shared your concern with us How glad I am your cancer is gone ,.and I Know there is a bluebird just for you....love you, anna

    annafair
    October 31, 2006 - 07:08 pm
    AK's poems are going to be a bit harder to understand and some is very sad since she lived in a time when cruel things happened ..I like the one I chose this evening ..I feel she has captured what music means and I love the last line best anna

    Music


    1958


    Something of heavens ever burns in it,
    I like to watch its wondrous facets' growth.
    It speaks with me in fate's non-seldom fits,
    When others fear to approach close.


    When the last of friends had looked away
    From me in grave, it lay to me in silence,
    And sang as sing a thunderstorm in May,
    As if all flowers began to talk in gardens.


    Translated by Yevgeny Bonver, August, 2000 Edited by Dmitry Karshtedt, February, 2001

    Alliemae
    November 1, 2006 - 06:55 am
    This poem, for me, was the perfect poem to begin this month. For at last I have begun to sing again...just at home, mind you--and sometimes, if I'm not careful, even in the street!...

    We are in one of my favorite playing fields with this poem, music being second only to nature in my life perhaps.

    Understand this poem and you will understand me, dear friends...

    "Something of heavens ever burns in it,
    I like to watch its wondrous facets' growth."

    and...

    "As if all flowers began to talk in gardens."

    Yes...that's it...not about my mother or my father or even about my children or grandchildren or even friends or memories...this poem is me.

    Alliemae

    MarjV
    November 1, 2006 - 07:05 am
    And that poem speaks of an extreme loneliness that the poet knows in lines 3&4

    It speaks with me in fate's non-seldom fits,
    When others fear to approach close.


    And that last line is super!!!! As if all the flowers in the garden began to talk A fantastic feeling. They do talk and they DO sing on a breezy summer's day or a fall day like today since my marigolds are staunchly blooming.

    Happy November 1. Marj

    annafair
    November 1, 2006 - 07:14 am
    I love your explanations why this poem means so much to you. One reason I chose it is because my hearing loss is really profound and I can no longer hear the music that for years kept me company all day. The first thing in the morning I would put on a stack of 33 1/3and they kept me company as I worked around the house. I even had a tape player in my sewing room so I could listen to music while I sewed and as my children grew they too played music ..when my husband was home Saturday mornings began with a John Phillip Sousa march announcing he was home and time to get up He would either make breakfast or we would go out for breakfast or carry all the fixings to the backyard and prepare it out there. I miss music so much.. the last time I attened a concert there was a violin solo at the beginning and it was strange and sad for me to see the violinist cradle his instrument and move his bow across the strings and not hear a single note. But I remember how it once was and take solace in the fact once I could hear.. and there are many who could not say that ..if music is you than I hear it in you..quiet and still but there ..anna

    hats
    November 1, 2006 - 08:17 am
    Anna, your post is very moving and beautiful. I agree with MarjV and Alliemae you have chosen a beautiful poem to start us off on a new adventure. I do love the last line.

    "As if all flowers began to talk in gardens."

    MarjV
    November 1, 2006 - 11:18 am
    Lot's wife looked back and turned into a pillar of salt.

    Genesis

    Holy Lot was a-going behind God's angel,
    He seemed huge and bright on a hill, huge and black.
    But the heart of his wife whispered stronger and stranger:
    "It's not very late, you have time to look back
    At these rose turrets of your native Sodom,
    The square where you sang, and the yard where you span,
    The windows looking from your cozy home
    Where you bore children for your dear man."
    She looked -- and her eyes were instantly bound
    By pain -- they couldn't see any more at all:
    Her fleet feet grew into the stony ground,
    Her body turned into a pillar of salt.


    Who'll mourn her as one of Lot's family members?
    Doesn't she seem the smallest of losses to us?
    But deep in my heart I will always remember
    One who gave her life up for one single glance.


    1922 - 1924 Anna Akhmatova

    RAMBLES --- I think there are different things for different people in this poem.
    Lot's body seemed huge but his wife's heart was bigger AA says. That would make the heart very important. Then she HAS to look back and all is gone in an instant. Do we spend too much time looking back and getting stuck there sometimes?

    Would we give up our life for a glance?

    Do you suppose she didn't really trust the angel's words?

    Would this be courage to some, stupidity to others?

    Interesting poem!

    ~Marj

    Scrawler
    November 1, 2006 - 12:21 pm
    "In 1912, she published her first collection, entitled "Evening." It contained brief, psychologically taut pieces which English readers may find distantly reminiscent of Robert Browning and Thomas Hardy. They were acclaimed for their classical diction, telling details, and the skilful use of colour." ~ Wikipedia

    Yes, I too find the phrase "talking flowers" very moving. My own flowers, on the other hand, are telling me things no human ear should hear. I sometimes ignore them especially this time of year.

    The pillow hot
    On both sides
    The second candle
    Dying, the ravens
    Crying. Haven't
    Slept all night, too late
    To dream of sleep...
    How unbearably white
    The blind on the white window.
    Good morning, morning!


    1909 "Evening" ~ Anna Akhmatova

    As the Wikipedia article suggests you can hear "the classical diction, telling details, and the skilful use of color" even when the color is white. ~ "How unbearably white/the blind on the white window."

    hats
    November 1, 2006 - 02:19 pm
    Wow MarjV, your post is wonderful. The poem is very interesting. For once, we are made to think more about Lot's wife. The ending lines will stay with me. Plus, your questions MarjV just give the poem a harder punch. It's a poem that makes me search my soul.

    Who'll mourn her as one of Lot's family members?
    Doesn't she seem the smallest of losses to us?
    But deep in my heart I will always remember
    One who gave her life up for one single glance.


    That second and third line are my focus.

    annafair
    November 2, 2006 - 12:41 am
    I find a sadness in all I have read ,,this is a woman who FELT life as it was ..and sees it and shares how it affected her and asks us to see what she felt. I was very moved by Lot's wife and her thinking,I recall that story and accepted it as it was but she looked deeper and also found a truth ONE WHO GAVE UP HER LIFE FOR ONE SINGLE GLANCE......

    I have read a dozen poems and then chose this one. Becasue she writes of a place and a time we never knew it is not easy to choose one..but here is my choice for today...to me she is saying if you are a poet dont repeat what other poets have said but think for yourself and then goes on to say all poetry is a single beautiful citation.(design).and that seems a truth to me. I have read poetry over the years from many different poets and many different places and views but all of it had a beauty and a truth ..anna

    "You, Who Was Born..."
    1956
    You, who was born for poetry’s creation,
    Do not repeat the sayings of the ancients.
    Though, maybe, our Poetry, itself,
    Is just a single beautiful citation.


    Translated by Yevgeny Bonver, July, 2002 Edited by Tatiana Piotroff, September, 2002

    MarjV
    November 2, 2006 - 06:06 am
    Those 4 lines are powerful, Anna. I believe we are all part of a whole . We are not apart from others, nor the sea, nor sky; nor all creatures great and small, the leaf on the sidewalk, the sparrow at the feeder, the grubbiest beggar in Mumbai(Bombay). So also would poetry be part of the total citation. And novels. If you stop to think about these types of ideas ,of course. No matter how individualistic a person, or snobbish or genius that one is part of all that is.

    hats
    November 2, 2006 - 06:41 am
    MarjV, you have done it again. That last comment is meaningful and gives me hope for humankind.

    hats
    November 2, 2006 - 07:12 am
    Suddenly it was quiet everywhere,
    The last of the poppies had blown away.
    Frozen in a daydreamy stare,
    I met darkness early, coming to stay.


    The gates are tightly shut from without,
    The night is black, wind doesn't exist.
    Where are you, joy? Where care, and doubt?
    Where are you, darling--at another tryst?


    I didn't find the secret ring.
    For days, I waited and guessed.
    That tender captive, a song to sing,
    Perished inside my breast.


    1917

    Days of sadness are days we could do without. When we experience happiness, there is a feeling that this joy must stay forever. Unfortunately, it fades away. We feel like Anna Akmatova.

    That tender captive, a song to sing,
    Perished inside my breast.


    It is good to know that the song will return again. The sadness will drift away on the wind. The feeling of hope will make us wait to see the beauty of the poppies once again.

    hats
    November 2, 2006 - 07:17 am
    Scrawler, I see, with your helpful comment, the boldness of white. We think of white as neutral. White is not neutral. White has its own message to tell. I have experienced sleepless nights. Nights when I dreamed of sleep. Suddenly, too suddenly, the blinds shined with the whiteness of morning. My chance to rest, to sleep, had come and gone. My sleep, that night, had been an untrue, sweet dream.

    hats
    November 2, 2006 - 07:19 am
    Didn't one of Shakespeare's plays, maybe Hamlet, speak of to rest, to sleep??? Those words seem so familiar to me. Maybe it's just a senior moment.

    hats
    November 2, 2006 - 07:23 am
    I have found it. I am sooo excited!

    "To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub: For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, When we have shuffled off this mortal coil" Shakespeare, Hamlet

    MarjV
    November 2, 2006 - 07:37 am
    I agree with Hats, white is not neutral. The prime example being the racism in the USA and other countries. Sadly, another way of the boldness of white.

    These lines are filled with sadness in the above poem:
    For days, I waited and guessed.
    That tender captive, a song to sing,
    Perished inside my breast.

    Sounds to me like her hope is gone. We are song but don't always sing since hope perishes.

    annafair
    November 2, 2006 - 07:48 am
    are everyone's comments they move us toward true understanding, Opens the doors in our minds, sometimes I feel I have captured the meaning in a poem and then one of you gives me another view and I see I havent looked deep enough I thank each of you for your perceptive comments ..You make this discussion special , gives it true value...off to vote .. hugs to each ..anna

    annafair
    November 2, 2006 - 11:28 am
    I thought the election was today HOPEFUL thinking I am sure since I am really weary of all the ads etc I wish one candidate would run ONE ad at the beginning and say that the money usually spent on thier ad will be instead donated to the homeless or some worthy local group.. invite those who support them to put posters etc on thier front lawns on on thier cars etc They would get local coverage galore they would be asked to speak on the TV stations etc I would vote for them and thank them ..augh sorry it is next Tues my hopes for it to be over are dashed ...anna

    Scrawler
    November 2, 2006 - 12:10 pm
    A dusty waste-plot by the cemetery,
    Behind it, a river flashing blue.
    You said to me: 'Go get thee to a nunnery,
    Or get a fool to marry you...'

    Well, princes are good at such speeches,
    As a girl is quick to tears,-
    But may those words stream like an ermine mantle
    Behind him for ten thousand years. ~ 1909, Kiev from Evening Anna Akhmatova

    What words of wisdom this poem reflects. Is the poet suggesting that it is far better to go to a nunnery than marry a fool? And princes do sometimes make fine speeches that bring a girl to tears. But I found the last few lines most potent: "But may those words stream like an ermine mantle/behind him for ten thousand years."

    "In 1910, she married the boyish poet Nikolay Gumilyov, who very soon left her for hunting lions in Africa, the battlefields of the World War I, and the society of Parisian grisettes." ~ Wikipedia

    hats
    November 2, 2006 - 02:20 pm
    Very interesting.

    MarjV
    November 2, 2006 - 06:41 pm
    I say the last lines of that poem sound like a curse on one who broke her heart.

    ~Marj

    MarjV
    November 3, 2006 - 09:55 am
    Anna Akhmatova is the literary pseudonym of Anna Andreevna Gorenko. Her first husband was Gumilev, and she too became one of the leading Acmeist* poets. Her second book of poems, Beads (1914), brought her fame. Her earlier manner, intimate and colloquial, gradually gave way to a more classical severity, apparent in her volumes The Whte Flock (1917) and Anno Domini MCMXXI (1922). The growing distaste which the personal and religious elements in her poetry aroused in Soviet officialdom forced her thereafter into long periiods of silence; and the poetic masterpieces of her later years, A Poem without a Hero and Requiem, were published abroad.

    From "The Heritage of Russian Verse," by Dimitri Obolensky

    -------------------------------------------- *Acmeism, or the Guild of Poets, was a transient poetic school which emerged in 1910 in Russia under the leadership of Nikolai Gumilyov and Sergei Gorodetsky. The term was coined after the Greek word acme, i.e., "the best age of man".

    MarjV
    November 3, 2006 - 09:58 am
    The Acmeist mood was first announced by Mikhail Kuzmin in his 1910 essay "Concerning Beautiful Clarity". The Acmeists contrasted the ideal of Apollonian clarity (hence the name of their journal, Apollo) to "Dionysian frenzy" propagated by the Russian Symbolist poets like Bely and Ivanov. To the Symbolists' preoccupation with "intimations through symbols" they preferred "direct expression though images".[1]

    Alliemae
    November 3, 2006 - 10:03 am

    Scrawler
    November 3, 2006 - 12:29 pm
    I speak in those words suddenly
    That rise once in the soul. So sharply comes
    The musty ordour of an old sachet,
    A bee hums on a white chrysanthemum.

    And the room, where the light strikes through slits,
    Cherishes love, for here it is still new.
    A bed, with a French inscription over it,
    Reading: 'Seigneur, ayez pitie de nous.'

    Of such a lived-through legend the sad strokes
    You must not touch, my soul, nor seek to do...
    Of Sevres statuettes the brilliant cloaks
    I see are darkening and wearing through.

    Yellow and heavy, one last ray has poured
    Into a fresh bouquet of dahlias
    And hardened there. And I hear viols play
    And of a clavecin the rare accord.

    ~ "From Evening" ~ Anna Akhmatova

    I too am feeling history here, but this poem also might have a contemporary feel as well. "Yellow and heavy, one last ray has poured/into a fresh bouquet of dahlias" might refer to the last rays of the sun that I was surprised at pouring through my window when it had poured rain almost the entire day yesterday, but the rest is history.

    I do wish that I knew the meaning of the French words over the bed: "Seigneur, ayez pitie de nous." Anyone here know French? In the past people read not only read French but also Latin and I'm finding that as I read volumes written in centuries past that I'm at a loss because although I did take four years of Latin I can't remember anything and I never did take French. In my days Spanish was considered a foreign language and that's what I took. But alas even that is somewhere in the creases of my cobwebbed brain.

    MarjV
    November 3, 2006 - 12:42 pm
    ----By the time her second collection, the Rosary, appeared in 1914, there were thousands of women composing their poems "after Akhmatova". Her early poems usually picture a man and a woman involved in the most poignant, ambiguous moment of their relationship. Such pieces were much imitated and later parodied by Nabokov and others. Akhmatova was prompted to exclaim: "I taught our women how to speak but don't know how to make them silent".

    from Widipedia.com

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 3, 2006 - 12:54 pm
    I think "Seigneur, ayez pitie de nous" means - Lord, have pity on us -

    it is the first stanza that is the book dropper for me - I want to dwell in the words and the thought behind the words and all the connecting thoughts that come up for me...

    I speak in those words suddenly
    That rise once in the soul. So sharply comes
    The musty ordour of an old sachet,
    A bee hums on a white chrysanthemum

    The musty ordour of an old sachet and bee hums reminds me on my grandmother's house - her front room that no one used and each piece of furniture was covered - I forget what because it was before plastic - maybe newsprint paper - then over it was a slip cover - there was a wonderful desk that we could open - one of those desks, polished mahogany, where the desk table pulled down from a closed position that made it look like another drawer front - inside was a box with a collection of post cards that when you held them to the light various parts of the cards lit up - like a full moon or the waves on a beach - My grandmother had old potpourri in a cut glass bowl and the few times I remember my mother and her chatting in the front room their voices were like bumble bees.

    Also I get the image of the many one room dry goods store in so many southern towns that were crowded on Saturday afternoons - the sun picked up the dust particles and all the voices sound like a hive of buzzing bees - I think it is the way of talk but also most southern people talk very softly. I am seeing the old wooden plank sidewalk and the wood plank floor of the store with the men's shoes and overalls in the back and sewing goods along the side - a few hats, candy, cold creams - yes, Ponds - safety pins, dish towels with stamped designs to be embroidered for decoration, and embroidery thread in sections by color along with all sorts of needles and papers of pins. The lighting was not very good so that anything displayed near the front had the best light.

    And words that rise once in my soul are like the catches of trauma that I remember from childhood that are now faded as the sachet but often buzz in my head over that part of memory that is like the pungent scent of chrysanthemum.

    Alliemae
    November 4, 2006 - 09:08 am
    I began to read Anna Akhmatova's biography hoping to find the origin of her last name. Now I must find the origin of her grandmother's name it seems.

    It caught my eye because in so many Central Asian Turkic countries under Soviet rule for so long, the Turkic name (in this case Akhmat) had to have an 'ova' placed at the end to Sovietize or Russianize it.

    Then, reading through her poems, so many of them too heavy for me, yet intriguing, about the prisoners and the revolution...anyway, too heavy for this bright and sunny Saturday...I found this:

    To Boris Pasternak 1960

    2.
    "The echo-bird will give me answer" -----------B.P.
    --------

    "It ceased – the voice, inimitable here,
    The peer of groves left forever us,
    He changed himself into eternal ear...
    Into the rain, of that sang more than once.

    And all the flowers, that grow under heavens,
    Began to flourish – to meet the going death…
    But suddenly it got the silent one and saddened –
    The planet, bearing the humble name, the Earth."

    Anna Akhmatova

    (Translated by Yevgeny Bonver, December, 2000
    Edited by Dmitry Karshtedt, February, 2001)

    Such a touching tribute to a fellow poet...colleague and cohort...

    ["The writer Boris Pasternak, who was already married, had proposed her numerous times."]

    Please note: I couldn't exactly understand if Pasternak had proposed marriage to her numerous times or had proposed her for an award the way it was worded in the quote. I, romantic that I am, think it was referring to marriage proposals (something I find enormously more romantic in literature than in real life, by the way!)...

    Can anyone shed more light? She was not mentioned in the biography I just looked up on Pasternak but that was a very short one.

    I glanced through the many and thoughtfilled posts before posting this and want to go back now and read all of the poems and thoughts you have all posted.

    I have a feeling this is going to be a fulfilling month of poetry with AA.

    Alliemae

    MarjV
    November 4, 2006 - 10:05 am
    Alliemae , this is from Wikipedia.com

    Nikolay Gumilyov was executed in 1921 for activities considered anti-Soviet; Akhmatova presently remarried a prominent Assyriologist Vladimir Shilejko, and then another scholar, Nikolay Punin, who died in the Stalinist camps. After that, she spurned several proposals from the married poet Boris Pasternak.

    Scrawler
    November 4, 2006 - 11:10 am
    Thanks Barbara not only for your translation, but also for sharing your memories.

    Memory of sun seeps from the heart.
    Grass grows yellower.
    Faintly if at all the early snowflakes
    Hover, hover.

    Water becoming ice is slowing in
    The narrow channels.
    Nothing at all will happen here again,
    Will ever happen.

    Against the sky the willow spreads a fan
    The silk's torn off.
    Maybe it's better I did not become
    Your wife.

    Memory of sun seeps from the heart.
    What is is? - Dark?
    Perhaps! Winter will have occupied us
    In the night.

    ~ 1911 Kiev, Anna Akamatova

    It is great sadness that I feel from this poem, but also a passion of the heart almost as if you can hear a heart breaking.

    Alliemae
    November 4, 2006 - 01:07 pm
    from Evening

    Having been born in 1889 and this poem being written in 1911, what strikes me so deeply is the accepted dejection of one so young.

    And her life's experiences as she matured were certainly not improving. It makes me feel honor-bound to read more about the Russian Revolution...any reco's?

    Alliemae

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 4, 2006 - 01:59 pm
    Perhaps! Winter will have occupied us
    In the night.

    Talk about saying with a few words the whole breadth of suppression that resulted from the revolution in Russia - staying alive in those winters would be an occupation and the winter of freedom must have taken every bit of human effort to exist much less keep any freedom alive in the dark night that descended on all Russia.

    Alliemae
    November 4, 2006 - 04:51 pm
    I hope I thanked you both...Barbara for the French translation and Marj for the information from Wikipedia about the marriage proposals.

    Thanks much to you both...Alliemae

    Scrawler
    November 5, 2006 - 11:45 am
    My breast grew cold and numb,
    But my feet were light.
    On to my right hand I fumbled
    The glove to my left hand.

    It seemed that there were many steps
    - I knew there were only three.
    An autumn whisper between the maples
    Kept urging: 'Die with me.

    Change has made me weary,
    Fate has cheated me of everything.'
    I answered: 'My dear, my dear!
    I'll die with you. I too am suffering.'

    It was a song of the last meeting.
    Only bedroom-candles burnt
    When I looked into the dark house,
    And they were yellow and indifferent.

    ~ 1911, Tsarskoye Selo "From Evening" Anna Akhmatova

    This poem struck a chord with me. In reading it I remembered the first time I entered my darkened house after my husband had passed away.

    Allimae, I don't know if these books will help you understand the Russian Revolution, but they certainly may help you understand the Russion people.

    The best book I know about the Revolution is "Doctor Zhivago" by Boris Pasternak. But my personal favorite concerning the Russian people was "Anna Karenina" by Leo Tolstoy. Than there is always "War and Peace" by Tolstoy. And if you have the energy there is also "Crime and Punishment" by Fyodor Dostoevsky

    Alliemae
    November 5, 2006 - 04:20 pm
    Thanks, Scrawler...I wished after I'd posted that I'd said novels and these look like the perfect place to start. What is history without getting a feel of how the people who lived through it and before and after it and because of it. Thank you very much for the list.

    The poem you posted seems to have been absorbed right into my essence and especially when you said "I remembered the first time I entered my darkened house after my husband had passed away." Those words seem to hang in the heavy, bewildering despair portayed in AA's poem...never dropping to the floor, but surrounding you as you walked through your empty home.

    Hugs, Alliemae

    MarjV
    November 5, 2006 - 05:07 pm
    "You'll Live, But I'll Not..."

    1959

    You'll live, but I'll not; perhaps,
    The final turn is that.
    Oh, how strongly grabs us
    The secret plot of fate.

    They differently shot us:
    Each creature has its lot,
    Each has its order, robust, --
    A wolf is always shot.

    In freedom, wolves are grown,
    But deal with them is short:
    In grass, in ice, in snow, --
    A wolf is always shot.

    Don't cry, oh, friend my dear,
    If, in the hot or cold,
    From tracks of wolves, you'll hear
    My desperate recall.

    Translated by Yevgeny Bonver, August, 2000
    Edited by Dmitry Karshtedt, February, 2001

    Well, definitely a poignant cry of loss. And a definite feel of Russia with the ice and snow. And the narrator is comparing self to the wolf. The freedom of wolves. And the way that wolves are slain.

    Here is a long article on "wolf as symbol".Wolf as symbol in folklore

    AN EXCERPT:We all live in a world of symbols. The symbolism embodied by the wolf is vast and compelling. Wolves evoke powerful feelings in us, and these feelings can nowhere be seen better than in the expressive interactions we call folklore: in legends, folktales, proverbs, folk speech, beliefs, and material culture

    Alliemae
    November 5, 2006 - 05:45 pm
    Oh how I enjoyed that article. It had so many interesting facets...so many ways to consider the wolf. I loved it!

    I have an email pal I'd like to send that link to when she comes home from her son's this week if that's ok with you, Marj. She is part Native American and I thought of her when I saw, "The Cheyenne have many legends of brave warriors whose skill and success was in part due to their identification with the wolf." In fact, much of her email stationery has beautiful pictures of wolves on it.

    I also liked the way the writer of the article pointed out the way the wolf is portrayed through some of our famous sayings and how they would differ if other animals had been used.

    As for me...I think wolves are very handsome...almost regal. But then, I'm part Native American too.

    This touched me, "And a definite feel of Russia with the ice and snow." (MarjV) as it did you. I could feel the cold to the point I could almost see and smell the crisp, moist condensation of my exhalations into the cold...

    Alliemae

    MarjV
    November 6, 2006 - 05:55 am
    Oh..Alliemae - yes, do send that link to your friend.Glad you enjoyed the wolf lore.

    hats
    November 6, 2006 - 07:46 am
    MarjV, thank you for the link about the wolves.

    Scrawler
    November 6, 2006 - 11:05 am
    I haven't locked the door,
    Nor lit the candles,
    You don't know, don't care,
    That tired I haven't the strength

    To decide to go to bed
    Seeing the fields fade in
    The sunset murk of pine-needles,
    And to know all is lost,

    That life is a cursed hell:
    I've got drunk
    On your voice in the doorway,
    I was sure you'd come back.



    ~ 1911, Tsarskoye Selo "From Evening" Anna Akhmatova

    What an interesting and sad poem with all the poet's mood swings. It has the feeling of loss until I presume the lover comes back to the poet at the end. Or does the poet still lose even though the lover returns.

    I too enjoyed the article about the "wolves." It is interesting to note that in the first part of the 20th century the white man almost hunted the wolf to extinction until we learned from the Indians to appreciate the wolf.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 6, 2006 - 12:07 pm
    we have become so removed from the natural world that the idea of ending our day when the sun goes down seems so far fetched - I was thinking it would be neat to live a few days without turning on the lights but the idea of not watching the news on TV at 6: and I panicked. Maybe after the election is over - I would like to try it for a couple of days - I know enough that only one day is never enough because it takes a day to stop arguing in your head - but to watch the sun set and know that all you are going to do that day is done - thinking on it - it makes more sense why houses were small - if you had to light the night with a candle the average person sure didn't want a large space to light up.

    Yes, that is what I want to do - put two days and two nights together where I will use the natural light and maybe one candle to control my day. No TV or radio and hopefully I will not have any appointment so that I will not use my car - can't stop the phone from ringing though - can I be off the computer for two days I wonder - I want to try this and remember what it was like when I was a kid - as a kid though we did have electricity -

    It won't be real because I know it is only for two day but it should be interesting to see if a new way of looking at my surroundings comes up... Hopefully I can pull this off Thursday but hmmm no good I have stuff I must do Friday evening and night - well I could do it Thursday as a trial and then possibly next Monday and Tuesday could be my two day experiment. Yes, that is it...

    This poem reminds me of someone experiencing depression when even the everyday fields and pines have no meaning - she has no strength to pull back from forces that have taken over just like the force of drink takes over the body and brain.

    hats
    November 6, 2006 - 12:30 pm
    It is good here: rustle and snow-crunch,
    frost fiercer every morning,
    a bush of blinding ice roses
    bows in white flame.
    On the splendid finery of the snow
    a ski-track-memory
    that long ages ago
    we passed here together.


    1922 Anna Akhmatova

    It is amazing the power of our memories. Winter is not to cold, dreary or empty to bring a memory to mind.

    hats
    November 6, 2006 - 12:46 pm
    Along the firm crest of the snowdrift
    to my white , mysterious house,
    both of us, so quiet now,
    we are walking in tender silence.
    And sweetest of all songs ever sung
    is to me this fulfilled dream,
    the rocking of brushed twigs
    and the slight sound of your spurs.


    January 1917

    A "fulfilled dream" is like a song. It is a melody we would like to repeat everyday. I love the way Anna Akhmatova writes about "Tender silence." When silence is shared and neither person feels uncomfortable it's sweet and very precious. Maybe we can learn from silence as well as the times when we converse with one another.

    Alliemae
    November 6, 2006 - 04:17 pm
    ...I got the feeling that the person was gone for good...maybe had even died...but you know how you really don't believe it for a while and you think they'll come back?

    When my mom died I had to do all the arrangements...my dad was shattered and so was my brother and my sister had a houseful of small children. I was lucky and had my husband's support through the whole thing.

    The day after the funeral the minute I woke up I turned to Jim and said, "Thank God that's over...I can't wait to go visit Mom...I haven't seen her for days!" And even after she had been gone for almost a year and a half, the first time I dressed my new baby girl in her little white hand-embroidered cotton lawn dress I lifted her up and said, "Now let's go show Grandmom how pretty you look."

    Sometimes I think we just don't realize that they are gone and 'are sure they will come back.'

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    November 6, 2006 - 04:22 pm
    "And sweetest of all songs ever sung
    is to me this fulfilled dream,
    the rocking of brushed twigs
    and the slight sound of your spurs.

    Now this, in fact this whole poem, to me, is 'making love'.

    Alliemae

    MarjV
    November 6, 2006 - 06:24 pm
    These last few poems remind me so much of the winter scenes in "Dr Zhivago".

    The Russian soul is very passionate .

    That's what I also get from these poems. A depth involved with their land and history.

    Candles, snow crunch, frost,fields in the sunset murk of pine needles. Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Alliemae
    November 7, 2006 - 07:58 am
    "can I be off the computer for two days I wonder..." (Barbara)

    I have, although not Jewish myself, always been fascinated by the Orthodox Jewish keeping of the Sabbath. It started with, believe it or not, "Fiddler on the Roof" and I was reminded again in Joe Lieberman's campaign in 2000. And I, like Barbara, wanted to do that with radio, tv and computer. Alas...no success yet. I think it must help to not be living alone. For instance, I can't even imagine a Sunday morning without Chris Matthews and Tim Russert and then what's left of Stephanopolous. And as for the computer...well...lots of my world is also wrapped up in it!!

    I have noticed one thing though. When I feel overstressed...and it's usually from electonic overstimulation...I only have to turn off tv, radio and computer and lights and lie down in a darkened room and within minutes I am completely relaxed.

    I wonder if we'll ever know how that constant barrage of voices upon voices upon voices is truly affecting our nervous systems.

    MarjV you mention about being reminded of "Dr. Zhivago"...I have had that feeling also, over and over again in these winter poems.

    Alliemae

    annafair
    November 7, 2006 - 11:40 am
    I have missed being here and when reading the poems posted and the memories they evoked I am almost at a point of tears I too recall how awful it was to return home after my husband died and after my mother died I kept looking for a letter from her, With my husband it was a whole year before I could really accept he had died. This was not TDY Temporary Duty Station but a PCS Permanent change of station even now nearly 13 years later there is a part of me that feels he is near and If ONLY I could see I would be able to see him This Anna has certainly captured her pain and her sorrow so all these years later readers can know and feel what she did.,

    I have been baby sitting my 1 year old grandson while my daughter and family moved to a new home this past week. Today was the first time I had a chance to check my library for poems by Anna and they not only didnt have one in the whole system but had never heard of her. Barnes and Noble didnt have one in stock either so I am having to use the ones on the computer I think the one I chose is the same one Hats posted but by a different translator I am going to post it for comparisons I am checking the local University library when I finish to see if they have one ..did any of you get a copy of her poems? anna

    "Along the Hard Crust..."
    1917
    Along the hard crust of deep snows,
    To the secret, white house of yours,
    So gentle and quiet – we both
    Are walking, in silence half-lost.
    And sweeter than all songs, sung ever,
    Are this dream, becoming the truth,
    Entwined twigs’ a-nodding with favor,
    The light ring of your silver spurs...


    PS I have read all the novels mentioned there was always a melancholy side , Lots of tragedy ,. Russia has been a HARD country it seems forever ..I dont have a memory of any of them being victorious . Of course they were very long It seems the print was small and more pages than usual I still have some I think I will have to re read them....

    MarjV
    November 7, 2006 - 05:30 pm
    .............Persecuted by the Stalinist government, prevented from publishing, regarded as a dangerous enemy , but at the same time so popular on the basis of her early poetry that even Stalin would not risk attacking her directly, Akhmatova's life was hard. Her greatest poem, "Requiem," recounts the suffering of the Russian people under Stalinism -- specifically, the tribulations of those women with whom -Akhmatova stood in line outside the prison walls, women who like her waited patiently, but with a sense of great grief and powerlessness, for the chance to send a loaf of bread or a small message to their husbands, sons, lovers. It was not published in in Russia in its entirety until 1987, though the poem itself was begun about the time of her son's arrest. It was his arrest and imprisonment, and the later arrest of her husband Punin, that provided the occasion for the specific content of the poem, which is sequence of lyric poems about imprisonment and its affect on those whose loveed ones are arrested, sentenced, and incarcerated behing prison walls..

    "Requiem" (scroll down to 'R')

    MarjV
    November 7, 2006 - 05:36 pm
    I printed it out so as to read it as a whole. Came to 6 pages

    ~Marj

    hats
    November 8, 2006 - 05:44 am
    MarjV, that excerpt about Anna Ahkmatova is very helpful. Thank you. The poems I have read seem very, very sad. It's easy to tell she lived under a horrible regime. She must have been a very strong woman.

    hats
    November 8, 2006 - 05:51 am
    For a whole day, fearing its own groans,
    the crowd tosses in death's anguish.
    Over the river on funeral banners
    malevolent skulls laugh.
    This is why I sang and dreamt,
    they split my heart in two,
    with the sudden quiet after the salvo
    death sent patrols from yard to yard.


    1917 Anna Akhmatova

    Such a horrible time to live through. It is unimaginable to think of the death of so many people at one time. A. Akhmatova strives to keep her heart and soul together with a song and a dream. On the cover of one book, I see a face of a woman so sad and so lost. I also see a face of determination to survive.

    MarjV
    November 8, 2006 - 06:28 am
    That is sure an excellent & sad poem about conditions oflife she was experiencing.Thanks. Hats.

    Sounds like she witnessed or knew about assasinations of citizens.

    hats
    November 8, 2006 - 06:39 am
    That's what I am thinking too.

    Scrawler
    November 8, 2006 - 12:25 pm
    I usually try and not use my electricty during the summer. I can usually go for a few weeks, but than I cheat in that I have battery operated small radio for my sporting events.I tend to read more in summer than in the winter. As I get older the harsh lights seem to bother my eyes more, but when its cold, wet and dreary like its been I tend to use more lights.

    Speaking of wet and dreary, it is nice to be out of flood waters for the time being. I just had a little flooding in my bedroom and I am living out of ONE closet instead of two. It is also nice to be on line as well. Apparently the computer company had its office flooded too. It's very discombobalating (sp.) to get a busy signal from AOL!

    Legend on an Unfinished Portrait:

    There's nothing to be sad about.
    Sadness is a crme, a prison.
    A strange impression, I have risen
    From the grey canvas like a sheet.

    Up-flying arms, with a bad break,
    Tormented smile - I and the sitter
    Had to become thus through the bitter
    Hours of profligate give and take.

    He willed it that it should be so,
    With words that were sinister and dead
    Fear drove into my lips the red,
    And into my cheeks it piled the snow.

    No sin in him. I was his fee.
    He went, and arranged other limbs,
    And other draperies. Void of dreams,
    I lie in mortal lethargy.

    1912 ~ "From Evening" Anna Akhmatova

    This poem reminds me of one Edgar Allan Poe's stories - "The Oval Portrait." It is a story about a beautiful young woman who marries a portrait painter. As the painter paints he draws all the passion and emotion as well the beauty from his young wife so that when the story is finished she is found dead. According to some sources Oscar Wilde drew on Poe's story for his own "Portrait of Dorian Grey."

    MarjV
    November 8, 2006 - 01:55 pm
    Thanks for the Poe idea, Srawler, I found that short story online.

    Interesting poem you posted. I never imagined myself posing for a portrait as the narrator does. So that is new.

    Interesting to note how in each verse the first and last lines rhyme & the 2nd and 3rd.

    The poem seems to be an event that was in progress and then stopped. And says - don't be sad.

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 02:49 am
    Scrawler, I like "Legend on an Unfinished Portrait." I think this poem shows Anna Akhamotva's strength to go through whatever came her way. I like the first few lines.

    There's nothing to be sad about.
    Sadness is a crme, a prison.
    A strange impression, I have risen
    From the grey canvas like a sheet.


    What a different way to look at sadness. Anna A. describes sadness as a prison. I agree. That is why it is so important to find a way of escape.

    Biscuit (Joan Lavelle)
    November 9, 2006 - 02:56 am
    Happy Birthday Annafair!!


    Be sure to check Dates/Graphics for additional greetings by clicking here.

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 03:05 am
    This is one of the happier poems, I think.

    I still see hilly Pavlovsk,*
    the round meadow, the lifeless water,
    very languid and very shadowy.


    As you enter through the iron gates
    a blissful shudder touches your body,
    you do not live, but rejoice and rave,
    or live completely differently.


    In the late autumn the wind wanders
    fresh and sharp, happy in the wilderness.
    In white frost black firs
    stand on thawing snow.


    the sweet voice sounds like a song,
    and on the Citharode's bronze shoulder
    a red-breasted bird sits.


    1915 Anna Akhmatova

    This seems like a visit A. Akhmatova enjoyed. Beside the word Pavlovsk is a asterisk for a footnote at the bottom of the page. This is the footnote.

    "'Pavlovsk', like Tsarskoe Selo, is outside Leningrad and has a palace (built 1782-6) and a fine part with statuary."

    In this poem I am happy to share in this wonderful moment with A. Akhmatova.

    As you enter through the iron gates
    a blissful shudder touches your body,
    you do not live, but rejoice and rave,
    or live completely differently.


    I would like to see Pavlovsk. I wonder whether it is a tourist attraction in Russia. I have experienced a "blissful shudder" when something or some place is so beautiful I never want to forget it. I remember visiting Busch Gardens in Florida. There is a Morocco setting as you walk in. It just takes your breath away.

    In the poem there is a new word for me. "Citharode," seems to have something to do with the bronze sculpture. Not sure.

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 03:06 am
    I had forgotten. Both of us have Topaz for a birthstone.

    annafair
    November 9, 2006 - 07:50 am
    today is my birthday...funny I still feel 22 even if my oldest is 54 ,,,I have been busy relatives from out of town are arriving Sat for a party my youngest is having for me...I have asked it be casual, fun and NO GIFTS ,

    I asked a couple of posts back if any of you were able to get a book of poetry by Anna A? I am enjoying your poems but feel limited by my choices I even contacted a poetry professor at a local college who leads our group readings He has one but a student has it since she is doing a paper on Russian poets The professor often uses Russian poets in his class assignments

    I love some of the happier poems you have posted in the sad ones you can feel her unhappiness and her fear I cant imagine living through those years as Hats as said She not only must have been a strong person but HAD to be to survive. Here is a poem I found .This seems to be a happy time I can almost see them there and smell those oysters -one of my favorite seafoods and to me there is lilting voice in this poem ...HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU TOO HATS anna

    In the Evening
    1913
    The garden's music ranged to me
    With dole that's beyond expression.
    The frozen oysters smelled with freshness
    And sharpness of the northern sea.


    He told me, "I'm the best of friends!",
    And gently touched my gown's laces.
    Oh, how differs from embraces
    The easy touching of these hands.


    Like that they pet a cat, a bird...
    Or watch the girls that run the horses.
    ... And just a quiet laughter poses
    Under his lashes' easy gold.


    And the distressing fiddles' voice
    Sings me from haze that's low flowed,
    "Thank holly heaven and rejoice --
    You are first time with your beloved."


    Translated by Yevgeny Bonver, August, 2000
    Edited by Orit Bonver, August 2000

    Alliemae
    November 9, 2006 - 09:23 am
    Sorry, don't know how to do those lovely colors but my wish is the same. You have each brought so much joy and comfort into my life...I wonder if you'll ever know how much!

    Birthday HUGS to each of you!!

    As always, Alliemae

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 9, 2006 - 11:38 am
    OH my two Birthdays -
    Happy
    Birthday ,
    Hats and Annafair !

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 9, 2006 - 12:06 pm
    What a lesson and I have not even lived my two nights and two days without lights and the media -

    I realize the freedom we have because of Electricity... and now I ponder what it is I do with this freedom...

    Last night I may have shut off the TV and postponed using the computer as well as, shut off the lights -- immediately several realizations. First of all in order to cook I need not only light but my stove is Electric - I realize if you are not dependent on artificial light your schedule is changed to take advantage of the most light from the sky so that you are up at the crack or before dawn and you eat meals when there is light in the sky. Oh you can bath and dress in the dark but then everything needs to be in the same place or else a light has to be lit.

    It started to come back what life was like with the ice man, a washtub and scrub board - we used a stove but my grandmother still cooked on a woodburning stove with a tank above for hot water. We sat on the porch at night - and on hot nights we pulled our beds to the window or onto the porch. - In winter not only were the room stoves a source of heat but a source of light as well.

    I realize Electricity has allowed us the freedom to take the night and do something with those hours - and after reading one of the poems from today I wonder what I am doing with that freedom. I am pushing more and more of the night into opportunities for communication, learning from TV and being entertained. Does watching TV, even my favorite PBS programs, provide me a "blissful shudder" - does cooking and eating and sleeping with the AC cooling the room allow me to "rejoice and rave," - are the posts I read on the Internet prompting me to "live completely differently."

    All of a sudden I can see the metaphor of freedom and light - or rather freedom and electricity - even the water I drink has been purified by electricity before it travels through my plumbing - I do not look at electricity as a gift of freedom but it really is and now to think what am I doing with that freedom -

    I think we are only aware of the role electricity plays in our life when it is disrupted - and then we mostly grich acting like we are camping out - we see it as a challenge that we are without a basic service but I can never remember looking at the loss of electricity as the loss of my freedom and therefore, asking myself, how do I use this precious thing called freedom.

    What an eye opener that Anna Ack depression offered when she described going to bed and sleep as the sun set having drunk too much that day.

    I plan on copying these words and putting them on my mirror, frig and computer for a few days till I start to add to my "night" life of freedom -- "a blissful shudder" that touches my body, as I add those things to my life that allow me to "rejoice and rave, or live completely differently."

    Scrawler
    November 9, 2006 - 12:50 pm
    Barbara, the question I have in mind is that with all the problems we are having around the world how long will it be before we don't have any electricty or more precise any cheap electricity? I'm afraid to look at my electrial bill for this month after all the electricity I've been using during my small flood. [I have had a large blower going in my bedroom to dry out the floors since Monday and its still going strong.] But you are right even in the city I remember sitting around after sunset especially in the summer just talking with family members or telling stories. A lost art now that TV and computers have taken over our lives. I also tend to cook over an open fire during the summer days rather than use my stove. But I couldn't live without my washer & dryer and as I learned recently I am befuddled without a computer.

    Anna, I have been using the book "Anna Akhmatova" Selected Poems; Penquin Books, copyright 1985 and printed in England by Clays Ltd, St. Ives plc. I got it over the Internet from amazon.com.

    For M. Lozinsky:

    It goes on without end - the day, heavy and amber!
    How impossible is grief, how vain the waiting!
    And with a silver voice, again the deer
    Speaks in the deer-park of the Northern Lights.
    And I believe that there is cool snow,
    And a blue font for those whose hands are empty,
    And a small sledge is being widly ridden,
    Under the ancient chimes of distant bells.

    We're all drunkrds here. Harlots.
    Joylessly we're stuck together.
    On the walls, scarlet
    Flowers, birds of a feather,

    Pine for clouds. Your black pipe
    Makes strange shapes rise.
    I wear my skirt tight
    To my slim thighs.

    Windows tightly shut.
    What's that? Frost? Thunder?
    Did you steal your eyes, I wonder,
    From a cautious cat?

    O my heart, how you yearn
    For your dying hour...
    And that woman dancing there
    Will eternally burn.

    ~ 1 January 1913 "From Rosemary"

    Passion and more Passion! Can't you feel the mood in the lines of the poem. And I do wish I knew who M. Lozinsky was.

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 01:02 pm

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 01:06 pm
    Anna, I missed your earlier question. I have three books of Anna Akhmatova's poetry. These are all from the library.

    1. Poems Anna Akhmatova


    2. Poems with a Hero


    3. Selected Poems


    I have been using the third book.

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 01:10 pm
    Anna, "In the Evening" is a lovely poem.

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 02:18 pm
    Pavlovsk

    MarjV
    November 9, 2006 - 02:30 pm
    And here is another beautifiul Pavlosk website.

    Another Pavlosk website

    And I too love these lines from posot 301:


    As you enter through the iron gates
    a blissful shudder touches your body,
    you do not live, but rejoice and rave,
    or live completely differently

    I have an interloan lib. book. Does your lib do interloans, Anna? I find I have to ask at least 2 weeks in advance.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 9, 2006 - 02:35 pm
    eeuuuwww great site Hats - did you see the photo of The Gates of Pavlovsk

    Marj we are posting at the same time - your site has some great arial photos of the grounds...

    MarjV
    November 9, 2006 - 02:40 pm
    Winter on the bridge at Pavlosk

    ooooo, Barbara, those gates at wonderful!!!

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 02:44 pm
    Wow!! Barbara and Marj thank you!

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 02:46 pm
    The gates are gorgeous!!

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 02:48 pm
    MarjV, I could look at the snow scene all day. What a beautiful place?? We need plane tickets.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 9, 2006 - 02:59 pm
    ahh yes plane tickets - in the snow - oh my word -

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 03:00 pm

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 9, 2006 - 03:10 pm
    the red bird sitting oh the bronze shoulder of the Catharode is the latin for Kitharode and the Cithara is the latin for the musical instrument Kithara

    hats
    November 9, 2006 - 03:25 pm
    Barbara, I could not find the definition. I hoped one of you would pick up on it. Thank you. What does the Kithara look like? Oh, I know what a lyre looks like.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 9, 2006 - 04:02 pm
    here is a site about the Kithara

    Ohohohohoh found this with the music playing being played on a Kithara kithara (the instrument of Apollo)

    MarjV
    November 9, 2006 - 05:02 pm
    Lovely music on that page. A relative of the guitar!

    ZinniaSoCA
    November 9, 2006 - 06:13 pm
    Please find enclosed another happy birthday wish for you, Anna! And some hugs, too!

    I wanted to drop by and leave a link for a website for a friend of mine, Jenny, a retired nurse who lives in New Zealand. There are only eight poems there now but she has a CD full and it will get bigger.

    http://www.geocities.com/softlyjen/index.htm

    The site is on Geocities and, as with all free sites, there are loads of popups. So if your browser doesn't stop popups, use Popup Stopper or something similar so you won't be annoyed by that. Also, Geocities puts a little sidebar up the right side that is also annoying. There is an arrow at the top left of that sidebar that you can click to minimize it.

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 03:19 am
    Barbara, thank you for the link.

    Hi Zinnia.

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 03:29 am
    You can look straight into my room--
    I didn't hang a single drape.
    The reason today is free from gloom
    Is that I know you can't escape.
    Cite the codes I couldn't keep,
    Spitefully deride my folly.
    I was the reason you couldn't sleep,
    I was your melancholy.


    1916 Anna Akhmatova

    The last two lines strike at my heart. It's like a criminal confessing his crime. Sadness with a voice in the poem shows A. Akhmatova's familiarity with emotional pain. The last two lines are really great.

    I was the reason you couldn't sleep,
    I was your melancholy.

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 03:34 am
    I love the poems with dates. Since it is Russian History, I am not very familiar with events that happened during the particular year the poem was written. The year 1917 is a bit familiar. Are any of A. Akhmatova's poems written the year when the whole family of Russians were assassinated? What about Anastasia? The Bolshevik uprising? Can anyone tell something about the happenings during the years the poems were written? I am going to look up 1917 in Russia.

    When did Napoleon walk through the blizzard in Russia? Am I getting away from the years of Anna Akhmatova's life?

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 03:41 am
    Russian History

    The above article mentions the year 1917.

    "By 1917 more than three million Russian soldiers had died in the war, and the country was in chaos. That March, the people rebelled, Nicholas abdicated and the 300-year reign of the Romanovs ended. A year later, the revolutionary Bolsheviks assassinated the tsar, his wife and their children."

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 03:45 am
    I am finding it exciting to fit the poet's life around important historical events. It really rounds out the personality of the poet and what they might have wanted to say in their works.

    MarjV
    November 10, 2006 - 05:37 am
    Good work there, Hats. Yes, looking at some background with AA is great.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 10, 2006 - 09:09 am
    Great Hats - Yes, it all fits doesn't it - and yet, like all lasting work I have been able to take her work and apply it to myself during my lifetime. Which only reinforces for me the whole universe is in a speck of sand and we all repeat in some way similar emotions based in different events or occurance in our lives. Anna Akhmatova writes about loss, being confined, restricted, sadness, entangled and yet she knows and speaks of the ability to rejoice, rave, feel bliss, happily free like the wind that she sums up as the song of a red bird.

    This poet knows a full range of emotions and can write effectively so that her experience in Russia during terrible times touches me nearly 100 years later here, in the US during some of the best of times. Which makes me think in some way we must all have our emotional and spiritual revolution

    Scrawler
    November 10, 2006 - 10:20 am
    My feather was brushing the top of the carriage
    And I was looking into his eyes.
    There was a pining in my heart
    I could not recognize.

    The evening was windless, chained
    Solidly under a cloudbank,
    As if someone had drawn the Bois de Boulogne
    In an old album in black indian ink.

    A mingled smell of lilac and benzine,
    A peaceful watchfulness.
    His hand touched my knees.
    A second time almost without trembling.

    ~ 1913, May "From Rosemary" Anna Akhmatova

    This poem sends chills up and down my spine the way she discribes the ride - I love the portrait she paints with her words. But I wish I knew to whom she was talking about - a lover perhaps or maybe a friend. The line: "A mingled smell of lilac and benzine" puzzles me.

    Hats, a good research site is: answers.com. Just type in Russian Revolution in the box.

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 10:32 am
    Barbara, your post is so beautiful and true too.

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 10:36 am
    Scrawler, thank you. The poem you posted is beautiful too. I can only think of the feelings for a lover. That first feeling of love is never recognized. The four lines about the sketch drawn in black indian ink are really the lines I like the best of all.

    The evening was windless, chained
    Solidly under a cloudbank,
    As if someone had drawn the Bois de Boulogne
    In an old album in black indian ink.


    Bois de Boulogne

    hats
    November 10, 2006 - 10:50 am
    I can see the lady wearing a bonnet with a feather in it. This is why she is satisfied the "wind is chained." Do you think so??? She is on a once in a lifetime date. She is courting. She doesn't want even the wind to disturb her moment.

    Scrawler
    November 11, 2006 - 11:38 am
    Hats, I see the woman dressed in evening wear and the feather are the ones women wore in the early 1900s to fancy dress balls. I see her as a tall and slender woman as well. So your idea of a "lover" is to my mind correct.

    Nobody came to meet me
    with a latern,
    Had to find my way up
    the steps by weak moonlight

    And there he was, under
    the green lamp, and
    With a corpse's smile
    he whispered, 'Your voice

    Is strange, Cinderella...'
    Fire dying in the hearth,
    Cricket chirping. Ah!
    someone's taken my shoe

    As a souvenir, and with
    lowered eyes given me
    Three carnations
    Dear mementoes,

    Where can I hide you?
    And it's a bitter thought
    That my little white shoe
    will be tried by everyone.

    ~ 1913 "From Rosemary" Anna Akhmatova

    "In Europe, the earliest Cinderella-type tale is attributed to Giambattista Basile. It appeared in his "Pentamerone", under the title "The Hearth Cat." A widely traveled poet, soldier, courtier, and administrator from Naples, Basile composed firty stories, all supposedly related to him by Neapolitan women. His Cinderalla, named Zezolla, is a victim of child abuse.

    The Basile story opens with the unhappy Zezolla plotting to murder her wicked stepmother; she eventually breaks the woman's neck. Unfortantely, her father marries an even more vindictive woman, with six vicious daughters who consign Zezolla to toil all day at the hearth.

    Desiring to attend a gala festa, she wishes upon a magic date tree and instantly finds herself in regal attire, astride a white horse, with twelve pages in attendance. The king is bewitched by her loveliness. But at midnight, he is left holding an empty slipper - which fits no one in the land except, of course, Zezolla." ~"Panati's Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things"

    A tale of child abuse - a little different than the one we are used to, but does it fit with the poem! I can see abuse in this poem. I thought the lines: "with a corpse's smile/ he whispered, 'Your voice/Is strange, Cinderella...' very telling and what about the last lines: "That my little white shoe/will be tried by everyone."

    Alliemae
    November 11, 2006 - 12:06 pm
    "His hand touched my knees.
    A second time almost without trembling."

    The first thing that flashed in my mind when I read this poem was the evening that the daughter was just about forced to attend an party with her mother's 'gentleman friend' in Dr. Zhivago.

    The hesitancy in AA's recounting of the 'romantic nature' in the poem was almost tentative to me...a feels good/but not good kind of scary feeling an inexperienced girl might have felt at the attentions of a very subtle and highly experienced predator.

    I have seen a lot of things, as we had mentioned before I think, that reminded me of Dr. Zhivago in AA's writing and as she wrote her poetry before Pasternak wrote his book I keep getting confused about the timing.

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    November 11, 2006 - 12:09 pm
    It seems we were writing and posting about two different poems but one theme...and at the same time...uncanny.

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    November 11, 2006 - 12:13 pm
    I just checked the times, Scrawler on our posts and they weren't at the same time. I think I must have gone straight from the poem A Ride to posting my impression of it without reading the second poem you had posted till after.

    That quite relieves my mind...too spooky for me, that first impression was...

    Alliemae

    hats
    November 11, 2006 - 12:27 pm
    Scrawler, I am glad you chose the second poem. Thank you for writing the explanation about the poem.

    MarjV
    November 11, 2006 - 12:35 pm
    That poem, #336, is definitely a spooky one.

    I had known there are many versions and authors of folktales. Thanks for telling us about that version of Cinderella, Scrawler.

    MarjV
    November 11, 2006 - 12:45 pm
    I love this poem. I've read it over and over this afternoon. Hope you all enjoy it also.

    March Elegy by Anna Akhmatova

    I have enough treasures from the past
    to last me longer than I need, or want.
    You know as well as I . . . malevolent memory
    won't let go of half of them:
    a modest church, with its gold cupola
    slightly askew; a harsh chorus
    of crows; the whistle of a train;
    a birch tree haggard in a field
    as if it had just been sprung from jail;
    a secret midnight conclave
    of monumental Bible-oaks;
    and a tiny rowboat that comes drifting out
    of somebody's dreams, slowly foundering.
    Winter has already loitered here,
    lightly powdering these fields,
    casting an impenetrable haze
    that fills the world as far as the horizon.
    I used to think that after we are gone
    there's nothing, simply nothing at all.
    Then who's that wandering by the porch
    again and calling us by name?
    Whose face is pressed against the frosted pane?
    What hand out there is waving like a branch?
    By way of reply, in that cobwebbed corner
    a sunstruck tatter dances in the mirror.


    Leningrad 1960 from Poems of Akhmatowa, trans Stanley Kunitz

    We all have mind treasures. Each of us have different ones, like the never alike snowflakes. This poem is one of her less harsh ones. Written when she was in her 71st year. Maybe a time of gathering thoughts.

    And don't we all have malevolent thoughts that want to crowd in !!!

    hats
    November 11, 2006 - 12:53 pm
    MarjV, no wonder you read this one over and over today. I like your words "mind treasures." Is it possible to run from the past or it always with us? This seems to be the question in "March Elegy" A. Akhamotova wants us to ponder.

    MarjV
    November 11, 2006 - 12:54 pm
    I say these lines are relfective of her aging process and some memories that are hard but not harsh since they are "lightly powdering" her life "fields". Tho it talks of an "impenetrable haze". Rambling here

    Winter has already loitered here,
    lightly powdering these fields,
    casting an impenetrable haze
    that fills the world as far as the horizon.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 11, 2006 - 02:19 pm
    Marj thanks for March Elegy - I want to stop after I read it and list all my treasures that I carry with me - it gives me a great idea how to organize the many many photos that I want to be more than just a photo album but a short story of what was going on - rather than worrying about consecutive time I could do it by short bits of treasured memory... I am finding that I love most of the work from this poet - stuff that is really speaking to me -

    Scrawler
    November 12, 2006 - 10:33 am
    The sun fills my room,
    Yellow dust drifts aslant.
    I wake up and remember:
    This is your saint's day.

    That's why even the snow
    Outside my window is warm,
    Why I, sleepless, have slept
    Like a communicant.

    ~ 8 November 1913 "From Rosemary" Anna Akhmatova

    In the Greek Orthodox religion a person's saint's day is celebrated like the western world celebrate's a person's birthday. Thus when I was a child my family celebrated St. Anne's Day instead of my birthday. I think the Russian Orthodox religion is similar in tradition. It is interesting that this poem is more cheerful than some of her other poems.

    Marj, I too like March Elegy. Isn't it interesting that our "mind treasures" of the past come to us more often the more we age. Perhaps than is the time in which we really treasure them.

    MarjV
    November 12, 2006 - 01:27 pm
    November 8 - a mighty beautiful poem of celebration. And a quiet poem with no harshness.

    I often see dust in the sun rays in my house

    Scrawler
    November 13, 2006 - 09:08 am
    So many stones are thrown at me,
    They no longer scare,
    Fine, now, is the snare
    Among high towers a high tower.
    I thank its builders: may
    They never need a friend.
    Here I can see the sun rise earlier
    And see the glory of the day's end.
    And often into the window of my room
    Fly the winds of a northern sea,
    A dove eats wheat from my hand...
    And the Muse's sunburnt hand
    Divinely light and calm
    Finishes the unfinished page. ~ Summer 1914 Slepnoyovo "from White Flock" Anna Akhmatova

    When you think what she went through, than my own problems seem so small in comparison. But I think we all have suffered from loneliness at some time or another and its the "muse" that at least for me who has gotten me over the hump of my problems.

    MarjV
    November 13, 2006 - 03:29 pm
    In that poem I see the narrator has placed herself where "stones" can't hurt. Maybe Anna wanted to be in that mode when she wrote the poem. Makes sense to me.

    If you can displace negatives the beauty of positives is all the more brilliant! Figuratively and literally.

    Our Muse, our Angel, our guiding Spirit - whatever you name it, it can be here to help us if we allow.

    ~Marj

    hats
    November 14, 2006 - 02:33 am
    Beyond the lake, the moon's stopped in space,
    It looks like the window, open wide,
    Of a hushed house, still and bright inside
    Where something terrible's taken place.


    Did the lady take a lover and run away,
    Did they bring the master home dead tonight,
    Or has the little girl vanished from sight
    And they've found her shoe down by the bay....

    You can't tell from earth. We sensed a fate
    So awful we fell silent abruptly.
    Owls began to hoot a eulogy.
    And a hot wind banged on the garden gate.


    1922 Anna Akhamotova

    I like this poem. I have read it more than once. It is a sad poem. Something tragic has happened. Standing from afar, on another corner, another lane or road it is impossible to piece the puzzle together. When tragedy strikes on earth, it seems the moon and earth become one in feeling distress.

    There is a feeling of wanting to know the details when tragedy happens near where we are walking, riding or running. When I hear the news, I hate to hear about car crashes. I always try to hear the color of the car. After hearing, I sigh with relief, once more my family is safe on these dangerous highways.

    MarjV
    November 14, 2006 - 06:09 am
    Comment on post 350 -Isn't is interesting how we can sense a sad event before we even know the details. There are clues right in front of us. Such as the last two lines

    Owls began to hoot a eulogy.
    And a hot wind banged on the garden gate.

    This poem has the aural sense involved in addition to the visual.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 14, 2006 - 09:13 am
    You can almost hear your heart stop while reading that poem Hats - she has put a whole mystery story into a few lines - amazing...

    I found a few things this morning

    This site is the music that goes on for over 10 minutes to Anna Akhmatova poem Requiem sung in Russian - talk about getting the feel for early twentieth century Russia - visions of Doctor Zhivago float into your minds eye while listening -

    Here is the poem in English that they are singing Requiem: Anna Akhmatova

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 14, 2006 - 10:09 am
    Earlier there was a poem shared that said so much to me - well now I found the poem a couple of times on the Internet translated with different wording - I like much about the version shared earlier however, there are a few lines in the newly found translation that I like better. The whole bit about the firs in snow make more sense to me in the new version - but to me the red-breasted bird says so much more - and it was the whole bit about the autumn winds that captured me in the earlier version.

    NEW VERSION SHARED VERSION
    I have visions of hilly Pavlovsk,
    Meadow circular, water dead,
    With most heavy and most shady,
    All of this I will never forget.

    In the cast-iron gates you will enter,
    Blissful tremor the flesh does rile,
    You don't live, but you're screaming and ranting
    Or you live in another style.

    In late autumn fresh and biting
    Wanders wind, for its loneliness glad.
    In white gowns dressed the black fir trees
    On the molten snow stand.

    And, filled up with a burning fever,
    Dear voice sounds like song without word,
    And on copper shoulder of Cytharus
    Sits the red-chested bird.
    I still see hilly Pavlovsk,*
    the round meadow, the lifeless water,
    very languid and very shadowy.


    As you enter through the iron gates
    a blissful shudder touches your body,
    you do not live, but rejoice and rave,
    or live completely differently.

    In the late autumn the wind wanders
    fresh and sharp, happy in the wilderness.
    In white frost black firs
    stand on thawing snow.


    the sweet voice sounds like a song,
    and on the Citharode's bronze shoulder
    a red-breasted bird sits.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 14, 2006 - 10:18 am
    Oh I clicked on the site again with the music to Anna Akhmatova's Requiem

    Zlata Razdolina - Composer, Author and Performer of Song and Romance Cycles and the Requiem,
    to lyrics by the famous Russian poet Anna Akhmatova

    The site would not come up for me so here is the link again not made short but raw as I copied from my address bar

    http://razdolina.hypermart.net/page3.htm

    Scrawler
    November 14, 2006 - 11:43 am
    There are white churches there, and the crackle of
    icicles,
    The cornflower eyes of my son are blossoming there.
    Diamond nights above the ancient town, and yellower
    Than lime-blossom honey is the moon's sickle.
    From plains beyond the river dry snow-storms fly in,
    And the people, like the angels in the fields, rejoice.
    They have tidied the best room, lit in the icon-case
    The tiny lamps. On an oak table the Book is lying,
    There stern memory, so ungiving now,
    Threw open her tower-rooms to me, with a low bow;
    But I did not enter, and slammed the fearful door;
    And the town rang with the news of the Child that
    was born. ~ 26 December 1921 "from Anno Domini Anna Akhmatova

    "Bezhetsk is a town in Tver Oblast, Russia, located on the Molga River at its confluence with the Ostrechina River. Population: 28,643 (2002 Census); 29,000 (1967)

    Bezhetsk was first mentioned as Bezhichi in the 12th century, when it was owned by Novgorod. In the early 15th century, the district of Bezhetsky Verkh was annexed by Muscovy. Bezhetsk is the birthplace of a writer Vyacheslav Shiskov, historian Nil Popov, and pathologist Alexei Polunin.

    The oldest building in Bezhetsk is the white tent-like campanile of the Vvedenskaya church, which was built by Yaroslavl masters in 1680-82. The church itself was destroyed during the Soviet years. The Vozdvizhenskaya church goes back to the turn of the 18th century." ~ Wikipedia

    "Nikolay Gumilyov (Anna Akhmatova's first husband) was executed in 1921 for activities considered anti-Soviet; Akhmatova presently remarried a prominent Assyriologist Valdimir Shilejko, and then another scholar, Nikolay Punin, who died in the Stalinist camps. After that, she spurned several proposals from the married poet Boris Pasternak." ~ Wikipedia

    In the poem she writes: "But I did not enter, and I slammed the fearful door;". What do you think she meant by this line? Was she spurning her dark memories or was she spurning her faith in Christ as those around her made ready for the birth of the Christ child? I see alot of grief in this poem, but I do think there is a sparkle of joy in the line: "The cornflower eyes of my son are blossoming there."

    hats
    November 14, 2006 - 12:18 pm
    Barbara, you have discovered some wonderful information. I have a lot of reading and listening to do now. Thank you!!!

    hats
    November 14, 2006 - 12:22 pm
    Barbara, the site came up for me. The music is gorgeous. This is from the words of the article.

    "Akhmatova for me is the symbol of the Great Russian Poetry, full with its dramatic, romantic, lyrical and magical nature - it is part of my heart, my creation and my life."

    hats
    November 14, 2006 - 12:25 pm
    Barbara, what a difference in the two translations! I like the newer one the best too. Now these are my favorite lines. I feel the passion and spirit.

    In the cast-iron gates you will enter,
    Blissful tremor the flesh does rile,
    You don't live, but you're screaming and ranting
    Or you live in another style.

    Alliemae
    November 14, 2006 - 12:33 pm
    I am speechless about the Requiem...listened to quite a lot and want to wait and listen in it's entirety when the construction crews leave from outside my balcony doors.

    I have also learned something new...read more than one translation of a poem. Thank you.

    Alliemae

    MarjV
    November 14, 2006 - 02:06 pm
    The website with the music is truly astounding. I love it. And the music goes right into my whole self. Thanks. That first link worked just fine for me.

    ~Marj

    Scrawler
    November 15, 2006 - 10:38 am
    When at night I wait for her to come,
    Life, it seems, hangs by a single strand.
    What are glory, youth, freedom, in comparison
    With the dear welcome guest, a flute in hand?

    She enters now. Pushing her veil aside,
    She stares through me with her attentiveness.
    I question her: 'And were you Dante's guide,
    Dictating the Inferno?' She answers: 'Yes.' ~ 1924 "from Reed" Anna Akhmatova

    I wonder what Dante's Inferno had to do with Anna Akhmatova's own life that she used it in a poem. Perhaps sometimes she felt she too was in an inferno on her way to hell. I think of all the poems so far I appreciate this one. It seems to speak to all who have a muse by their side as they create.

    MarjV
    November 15, 2006 - 11:57 am
    THe Muse appears again. Anna must have relied on it for her work. It made me smile when the Muse said, "Yes".

    I just found this poem. It sure is missing any hope or joy.

    The Last Toast (3)
    (From "The Break")

    1934


    I drink to home, that is lost,
    To evil life of mine,
    To loneness in which we’re both,
    And to your future, fine, --

    To lips by which I was betrayed,
    To eyes that deathly cold,
    To that that the world is bad and that
    We were not saved by God.

    A huge bit of sarcasm here as a toast is usually in honor of or acclaiming.

    So much violence of life in Russia/UssR thruout their history.

    Alliemae
    November 15, 2006 - 02:52 pm

    Scrawler
    November 16, 2006 - 10:37 am
    Your work that to my inward sight still comes,
    Fruit of your graced labours:
    The gold of always-autumnal lines,
    The blue of today-created waters-

    Simply to think of it, the faintest drowse
    Already has led me into your parks
    Where, fearful of every turning, I lose
    Consciousness in a trance, seeking your tracks.

    Shall I go under this vault, transfigured by
    The movement of your hand into a sky,
    To cool my shameful heart?

    There I shall become forever blessed,
    There my burning eyelids will find rest,
    And I'll regain a gift I've lost - to weep.

    ~1924 "from Reed" Anna Akhmatova

    I feel that the poet is getting lost in the painting of the artist. Wandering as if in a trance and feeling the passion of the art.

    hats
    November 16, 2006 - 11:41 am
    Scrawler, I feel the same way. The painting is alive everyday to the poet. Yesterday's colors painted by the artist are today's colors to the admirer of the painting. The painting moves with the seasons. It's the magic of art. Art is a labour of love never done in vain.

    Your work that to my inward sight still comes,
    Fruit of your graced labours:
    The gold of always-autumnal lines,
    The blue of today-created waters-

    MarjV
    November 16, 2006 - 05:31 pm
    The last line - "to regain a gift I lost, to weep". I love it.

    We forget that crying is a gift. How else to be able to express emotions that have no words. Humans were created with that "function". And if you've lost that ability for awhile you can tell it is needed.

    Alliemae
    November 16, 2006 - 06:45 pm
    We have been blessed with a brand new baby grandtr, (dtr, sister, niece, and cousin) today...6 pounds and 15 ounces. No name yet...they've decided if she looks like my son she'll have one of their chosen names and if like her mommy another...but they have sworn each other to secrecy till they've decided!! I am elated!! I LOVE grandchildren and other people's babies!!!!!!!

    JoanK
    November 16, 2006 - 09:44 pm
    ALLIEMAE: that's wonderful! Keep us posted. Pictures, too!

    hats
    November 17, 2006 - 07:13 am
    congratulations! I am so happy for you and your family. I love babies too.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 17, 2006 - 09:09 am
    The love that abounds in your post Alliemae reminded me of this poem:

    A Picture Of Love

    If I was asked to draw a picture of love
    I would draw a picture of a mother nursing her child.
    If I was then asked, "Why a mother nursing her child?"
    I would reply,

    "Because love is natural;
    It needn't be worked at very hard
    It comes as you relax.
    Love is the best thing for us,
    God created us for love.
    Love that is true, like God's, gives and gives, demanding nothing in return,
    But is overwhelmingly pleased by return of affection in any degree."

    God is love.
    And when a women nurses her child,
    She is the mirror of God.

    By Theanna Sparr

    hats
    November 17, 2006 - 09:17 am
    Barbara, that is very powerful. I nursed my children. With the first one, I remember being told to relax, relax. It is a special time of bonding only shared by mother and baby.

    Scrawler
    November 17, 2006 - 10:23 am
    I shall come into your dream
    As a black ewe, approach the throne
    On withered and infirm
    Legs, bleating: 'Padishah,
    Have you dined well? You who hold
    The world like a bead, beloved
    Of Allah, was my little son
    To your taste, was he fat enough?'

    ~ 1930s "from Reed" Anna Akhmatova

    "During the whole period from 1925 to 1952, Akhmatova was effectively silenced, unable to publish poetry..." ~ Wikipedia

    "Stalin replaced the New Economic Policy (NEP) of the 1920s with Five-Year Plans in 1928 and collective farming at roughly the same time. The Soviet Union was tansformed from a predominantly peasant society to a major world industrial power by the end of the 1930s.

    Confiscations of grain and other food by the Soviet authorities under his orders conributed to a famine between 1932 and 1934, especially in the key agricultural regions of the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and North Caucasus that resulted in millions of deaths. Many peasants resisted collectivization and grain confiscations, but were repressed...". Wikipedia

    Bearing in mind what happened in Russia in the 1930s under Stalin, doesn't Anna Akhmatova's poem bring a whole new meaning. Perhaps we can translate the "black ewe" into the peasants who suffered as a result of Stalin's orders. And maybe 'Padishah' is Stalin himself. When I first read the poem I thought it referred to her own son, but the more I think about it maybe it represents all the peasants who resisted and lost against Stalin's Five-Year Plans and collective farming.

    Alliemae
    November 17, 2006 - 03:32 pm
    Thanks to all of you for your heartfelt congratulations. Barbara, that poem was so lovely I've emailed it to my daughter-in-law...thank you very much. It is really touching and I believe true! Hats, I'm like you and Melanie Wilkes...the best days are when babies come!. Joan, I don't know how to put pics up here but I'll send one via email! Thanks again, all...

    Alliemae a.k.a. Nana : )

    Alliemae
    November 17, 2006 - 03:43 pm
    I'll have to check my history but there is so much in this poem that can be related to the Armenian Genocide by the Turks...the 'black sheep' which the Turks possibly considered the Armenians to be...the 'padishah'...'beloved of Allah'...

    As I said, I'll have to check historical dates.

    But Anna Akhmatova lived in a very large world and she knew how to connect events and create the metaphor.

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    November 18, 2006 - 09:48 am
    The timeline could apply...

    Alliemae
    November 18, 2006 - 09:53 am
    Just now...just NOW, after googling and reading and posting again I FINALLY realized that my 'theory' was indeed a moot point...the title of the poem has just sunk in!

    Oh, I am worried now. Seriously worried. My 'senior moments' have been coming on slowly but they have stepped up this week to the point that I am terrified.

    Please forgive my error...and please pray for me.

    Thanks, Alliemae

    Scrawler
    November 18, 2006 - 10:40 am
    Alliemae, you have nothing to worry about. Until you pointed it out "Imitation" from the Armenian it didn't dawn on me either and I was the one who posted the poem. Even when I was thinking she might be speaking of Stalin & did the research I still didn't connect. We all have Senior moments at one time or another - but we're all doing it together so don't give it another thought.

    Dante:

    He did not return, even after his death, to
    That ancient city he was rooted in.
    Going away, he did not pause for breath
    Nor look back. My song is for him.
    Torches, night, a last embrace,
    Fate, a wild howl, at his threshold.
    Out of hell he sent her his curse
    And in heaven could not forget her.
    But never in a penitential shirt did
    He walk with a lighted candle and barefoot
    Through beloved Florence he could not betray,
    Perfidious, base, and self-deserted.

    ~ 1936 "From Reed" Anna Akhmatova

    "Stalin did not achieve absolute power until the Great Purge of 1936-38." ~ Wikipedia

    "[Sir Isaiah] Berlin identifies the fundamental connection between Akhmatova's personal fears as a subject of Stalin's regime and her charismatic self-image. The paranoia, more or less legitimate under the circumstances, develops into a mania grandiosa, which, in turn, energizes her personal myth, in an instructive instance of the paradoxical opposition/symbiosis between dissident poet and totalitarian leader..." ~ "The obverse of Stalinism: Akhmatova's self-serving charisma of selflessness" ~ Alexander Zholkovsky

    "In every revolution, the main issue is power" ~ V.I. Lenin

    "Poetry is power," Osip Mandelstam once said to Akhmatova in Voronezh, and she bowed her head on its slender neck. Banished, sick, penniless and hounded, they still would not give up their power." Nadezhda Mandelstram.

    Dante was banished from is beloved Florence. Akhmatova had many things in common with Dante - poetry being only one of them. She too was banished, sick, penniless and hounded - and both had the "power" of their poetry. As much power as Stalin had, he was defenseless against this kind of power much the same as those back in the days of Dante were.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 18, 2006 - 12:03 pm
    Oh senior moments and being scared - I sure know - I think the heavens must have re-aligned or something this past week - I forgot completely a wonderful gathering held at St. Ed's honoring my best friend - Lloyd Doggett was there, several city council members a well known photographer and several Austin authors - all there honoring Charlotte and me, one of her best friends was not - I felt horrible - I missed such a wonderful evening and also you know those kind of Kudos are only meaningful when you can share them with your close family and friends.

    oh oh oh and that was not the only thing I mess up - so this was beyond embarrassment - there are also so many more times now when I go to do something or get something and when I get there I have completely forgotten what it was I was doing - even by retracing my footsteps which I had done for years did not bring back to mind what it was that I need to be in that certain location to do... and yes, it is terrifying - mostly because you can start to imagine becoming dysfunctional because of short term memory loss.

    A couple of times I really panicked when I did not know where I was - the city is changing so and I have always used landmarks to orient myself - it is one thing when a building pops up on a vacant corner but when a whole area has several buildings as well as a change in the road you have to stay on your toes - well a few times I would be in my head and look up and have no idea where I was - once I pulled over till I calmed down and other times I just kept driving thinking the worst I could do is drive to Waco or San Antonio or Houston or Llano and on the road to any of those locations there would be a familier site to orient me so I could get back.

    For me half the problem is I go into my head and I am half present - this happens more and more since I live alone - hgggg that is me rattling my throat

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 18, 2006 - 12:05 pm
    hmmmm interesting and when I think of it - so true "In every revolution, the main issue is power" ~ V.I. Lenin

    MarjV
    November 18, 2006 - 01:14 pm
    Scrawlelr posted: She too was banished, sick, penniless and hounded - and both had the "power" of their poetry. As much power as Stalin had, he was defenseless against this kind of power much the same as those back in the days of Dante were."

    Isn't that a marvel - that woman could wield such power with words!!! I am just so pleased when that is the case in our world. And it is power, not for power's sake, but for the sake of truth and peace.

    ~Marj

    MarjV
    November 18, 2006 - 01:18 pm
    Here is what I KNOW. The more I dwell on a forgotten event or thing the worse the forgetting gets. And I go in a state of stress. My one best help is the running list of whatevers I keep on the kitchen counter right in my face. Places to go, things to purchase, phone calls to make, bills to pay, just whatever.

    Alliemae
    November 18, 2006 - 04:54 pm
    Scrawler, Barbara and Marj you have no idea how comforting I have found all of your notes. I cried off and on this afternoon till I realized that whatever is, already is and I will only make things worse by worrying about it. I think it's time for me to use a day book and those 'running lists'...I even had to start today out with a list of just three things...then watch that I didn't do the second till the first was finished...and so on.

    I think that women like us who think a lot and have used our brains a lot have gotten so used to multi-tasking that we refuse to realize that we may have to just slow down on these 'balding tires of our minds' to prevent a 'blow-out'.

    Maybe it's time for us to affect that 'slow, calm, self-contained, mysterious air' that always intrigued me in my professors and mentors!!!

    Yes...we'll all go through this together and oh what fun we'll make of it all!

    hats
    November 19, 2006 - 04:31 am
    I definitely have trouble with my memory. It scares me everyday. There are days I try to remember where I put my glasses, why did I begin to clean the microwave and stop in the middle of the job, with whom did I see that movie, did I bring my pocketbook in the store or leave it in the car and the list goes on.

    Memory is very important. I dread the thought of losing it. Beside all the everyday duties important to my memory, there are the big, important events that I will never relive: my marriage, the birth of my children, the faces of my parents, the names of my grandchildren; These I can not think of losing without beginning to cry. Thankfully, at this moment, these memories I can grab at a moment's notice. I guess my long time memory is fine. It is my short term memory that zigzags along. Not being a perfect person, a slightly greedy one, I want my long and short term memory. All of my memories are my very identity. My memories are me.

    Does William Faulkner's quote offer hope? He gives all of us who know the miracle of memory something to think about. I would like to read a good book about memory and how it works. Wouldn't that make a good book discussion? If I understood how memory works, maybe I could relax when my memory goes a bit haywire.

    hats
    November 19, 2006 - 04:36 am
    how are you? I hope you are well. If you are well, would you share one of your Thanksgiving poems?

    Barbara, do you have a Thanksgiving poem you have written?

    Jim and Jeff, I hope you are well too. You have such great thoughts about poetry.

    annafair
    November 19, 2006 - 08:03 am
    Forgive me for not reading all 81 posts sinceI was here last. I began and then my heart hurt to know how much I have missed you and I felt such a great sense of loss. It has been about ten days since I began to feel ill again and and my ten day regimin of antibiotics has only 3 days remaining, I saw my doctor Friday and he feels I am doing well He did say if my cough should continue after I have finished my medicine I am to return,

    I am so glad to be back and hopefully when that last pill has been swallowed I will be well..You are all like family to me and I had no idea how much I missed you until I opened poetry just now and started to read the wonderful poems and comments ..

    I loved your comments Barbara about living without electricity Years ago we lived in Tennessee and had visited one of the great dams that produced out electricity When we came home I asked my husband how did that dam produce the electricity that ran our all electric home? He was an engineer and gave me a detailed explanation When he finished I said IT WILL NEVER WORK I am just going to continue to believe as I always have when I turn on a switch and the ligts come on IT IS A MIRACLE I dont want to live without it but my memories of the times I visited my aunts and uncle who lived on farms before Rural Electricity became a promise our governemnt fulfilled...The oil lamps as night, the water that only came with mucscle power of pumping it so it would flow from the pump outside or the one in the kitchens,The taste of food cooked on a wood stove.. It was special and delicious and tasted different ...I know because recipes followed faithfully on a gas or electric stove did not taste the same. I miss the nights when only the moon and stars gave light and our quiet voices made music to my ears, Never have a slept so well as I did on corn husks mattresses and pillows filled with chicken feathers or on what they called feather ticks ,,,ticking cloth filled with chicken feathers and made into mattresses I was always amazed when I would feel a tiny prick on my skin and could pull a feather that had worked its way to the surface ..Once I knew everyone for two blocks around my parents home now I know you through the miracle of this computer ..I HEAR your voices, gentle and sweet and since my hearing is leaving me I appreciate this medium While I miss the past I am grateful for the miracles of the now. I have been in Chattanooga where Hats lived, Lived in Texas for over two years where Barbara lives Have been in the area where Joan lives Come from the area where Jim lives, My husband grew up in LLanarch a suburb of Philly where Alliemae lives and while I am not sure where everyone lives the important thing to me now YOU LIVE HERE on my computer and I just have to close my eyes and feel you here in my living room and your voices and laughter fill the air and I am grateful for each of you ...and thankful for the miracles that give my nearly deaf ears sound For medicine that hopefully works this time and gives me back health so I can join you..

    By the way there was not a book by Anna Akhmatova in our whole library system , not one at Barnes and Nobles, not one at the local University or even the two year colleges. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE HEARD OF HER How much they have missed ...Later this evening when I take the second pill for the day I will come back and read ALL the posts and poems This medicine requires I do not lay down for 30 minutes after I take it time I have spent watching inane programs on the TV I will be glad to be HOME here hopefully from now on ! across the miles I send my thanks , my love and hugs...anna

    Scrawler
    November 19, 2006 - 10:55 am
    She has kissed lips already grown inhuman,
    On her knees she has wept already before Augustus...
    And her servants have betrayed her. Under the Roman
    Eagle clamour the raucous trumpets, and the dusk has

    Spread. And enter the last hostage to her glamour.
    'He'll lead me, then, in triumph?' "Madam, he will,
    I know't.'Stately, he has the grace to stammer...
    But the slope of her swan neck is tranquil still.

    Tomorrow, her children...O, what small things rest
    For her to do on earth - only to play
    With this fool, and the black snake to her dark breast
    Indifferently, like a parting kindness, lay.

    1940 "from Reed" Anna Akhamatova

    "Her son spent his youth in Stalinist gulags, and she even resorted to publishing several poems in praise of Stalin to secure his release. Their relations remained strained, however." ~ Wikipedia

    Do you think that perhaps this poem is just such a poem that AA published in praise of Stalin? To me the black snake at her breast might be a representation of Stalin as is the Roman Eagle.

    hats
    November 20, 2006 - 09:44 am
    I am still thinking about our wonderful discussion about memory. I wish this poem was written by Anna Akhmatova. I had to take my library books back. This one is by Emily Dickinson. It made me think of memory.

    A Thought Went Up My Mind To-Day


    A thought went up my mind to-day
    That I have had before,
    But did not finish,--some way back,
    I could not fix the year,


    Nor where it went, nor why it came
    The second time to me,
    Nor definitely what it was,
    Have I the art to say.


    But somewhere in my soul, I know
    I've met the thing before;
    It just reminded me--'t was all--
    And came my way no more.


    I laughed at this poem. Thoughts come and go as quickly as the next day's newspaper.

    Jim in Jeff
    November 20, 2006 - 10:03 am
    Sorry I've been unable to share in our group's thoughts here this month. Russian music became a special joy for me awhile back, so I'd hoped to this month open a new door of enjoyment into Russian poetry too...Anna Akhmatova being a capital first choice.

    She is a contemporary (and kindred spirit) of Stalin-era music composers such as Shostakovich, Prokofiev, and my personal hero Cellist Mstislav Rostropovich...who fled USSR to lead Washington DC's National Symphony Orchestra thru-out 1980s when I had just relocated to DC and in spare time was learning to appreciate classical music via season subscriptions to NSO (24 NSO concerts a year for 10+ years...watching Slava (M.R.) lead our National Orchestra with vigor in his so-Russian so-emotional manner.

    Some of Akhmatova's poems remind me of Shostakovich's subtle restraints embedded in his symphonies and string quartets in Stalin's USSR. I ought to now cite an Aknmatova poem that also employs similar subtlties. Instead, I'll just share one of hers I liked a lot (From 1922, so no secret political subtlties in it, I'd think. I love its concluding line.

    An Unparalleled Autumn (More mid-Octoberish than today's mid-Nov, perhaps)

    An unparalleled autumn erected a glorious dome;
    All the clouds were commanded to leave it undarkened and
    .....pure.
    And men marveled; September is gone, and yet where are the
    .....days
    Shot with dampness and chill? How long can this wonder
    .....endure?
    In the turbid canals the mild waters shone emerald-clear,
    And the nettles had fragrance more rich than the roses to give;
    And the sunsets that laid on the air their unbearable weight
    Of demoniac crimson, we shall not forget while we live.
    Like a rebel who enters the capital, thus the proud sun,
    Which this autumn, so springlike, was hungry to smile at and
    .....woo,
    Till it seemed any moment a snowdrop, transparent, would
    .....gleam--
    Then I saw, on the path to my door, stepping quietly, you.

    P.S. - This might have already been explained here. I wonder how it is that AA's poems often rhyme in English. Did she write them in English; or is some talented Russian-to-English translator to be accredited for this?

    MarjV
    November 20, 2006 - 10:46 am
    I have only seen AA's poems translated. And nowhere did I see mention that she knew or wrote in English.. I think translators take lots of liberty with their poems as we have seen in a couple comparisons. So we are at their mercyh

    That's a beauty of a poem above. Rhyming or not it depicts lovely Autumn weather. Also depicts new and brilliant feelings at the coming of a lover.

    Glad to have you drop in Jim.

    ~Marj

    MarjV
    November 20, 2006 - 10:53 am
    II

    ‘You are with me again, Autumn, my friend' Annensky

    Others in the south may still linger,
    basking in the paradise garden.
    Here it’s northerly, and this year
    for my friend I’ve chosen autumn.
    I’ve brought here the blessed memory
    of my last non-meeting with you –
    the pure flame of my victory
    over fate, so cold, and pure, too

    Another Autumn related poem. A different flavor than the one posted by Jim since it speaks of a non-meeting. However, it is not an emotionally negative feeling but a celebration of victory.

    Found online/Translated by A. S. Kline c. 2005

    hats
    November 20, 2006 - 11:15 am
    Jim in Jeff, what a beautiful autumn poem by Anna Akhmatova. Each line is as splendid as autumn. It is very hard to pick the lines I love most. I love her use of colors.

    In the turbid canals the mild waters shone emerald-clear,
    And the nettles had fragrance more rich than the roses to give;
    And the sunsets that laid on the air their unbearable weight
    Of demoniac crimson, we shall not forget while we live.

    hats
    November 20, 2006 - 11:18 am
    MarjV, this does have a different autumnal feeling. It is not a sad poem. It seems a happy memory in a certain place where she returns to remember the beauty of a relationship. She uses color again "pure flame." Thank you Anna Akhmatova.

    Scrawler
    November 20, 2006 - 01:39 pm
    When a man dies
    His portraits change.
    His eyes look at you
    Differently and his lips smile
    A different smile. I noticed this
    Returning from a poet's funeral.
    Since then I have seen it verified
    Often and my theory is true.

    ~ 1940 " from Reed" Anna Akhmatova

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I had this happen to me after my son died. After the funeral I came home and held his photo & when I looked closely at it; it did seem to be different - I thought he was smiling more - telling me he was okay. I thought maybe it was my own imagination until I read this poem.

    I loved the autumn poems. In the back of my book I came across this bit concerning the poem: "Imitation from the Armenian." Under the thin disguise of the title, the poem obviously refers to the arrest of Akhmatova's son." xz(my cat said hi as she walked across the keyboard)

    Alliemae
    November 22, 2006 - 09:39 am
    Thank God for small animals...oh Scrawler, you just brightened my day more than you can ever know. I've got a case of the blues that would make Bessie Smith sound like Mary Poppins!!

    I laughed so hard when you wrote that about your cat...thanks again!!

    Alliemae

    hats
    November 22, 2006 - 10:27 am
    Scrawler, what you wrote about your son is fascinating. I am sure his photo did change in some way. He is still with you sharing his love. Thank you for the poem too. I am going to write "When He Dies" by Anna Akhmatova down in my journal. It is a very comforting poem.

    Alliemae, I am glad you feel better. Feeling like Bessie Smith is mighty hard sorrow. I have felt that kind of emotional pain. I am glad you are feeling better.

    Scrawler
    November 22, 2006 - 11:17 am
    When you bury an epoch
    You do not sing psalms at the tomb.
    Soon, nettles and thisles
    Will be in bloom.
    And only - bodies won't wait! -
    The gravediggers toil;
    And it's quiet, Lord, so quiet,
    Time has become audible.
    And one day the age will rise,
    Like a corpse in a spring river-
    But no mother's son will recognize
    The body of his mother.
    Grandsons will bow their heads.
    The moon like a pendulum swinging.

    And now - over stricken Paris
    Silence is winging.

    ~ In 1940 Part I: "From The Seventh Book" Anna Akhmatova

    In 1940: Part II:

    To the Londoners

    Shakespere's play, his twenty-fourth -
    Time is writing it impassively.
    By the leaden river what can we,
    Who know what such feasts are,
    Do, except read Hamlet, Caesar, Lear?
    Or escort Juliet to her bed, and christen
    Her death, poor dove, with torches and singing; Or peep through the window at Macbeth,
    Trembling with the one who kills from greed -
    Only not this one, not this one, not this one,
    This one we do not have the strength to read.



    "In 1940 Akhmatova's personal suffering did not stop her feeling grief for the fate of Paris and London." ~ back of book

    Jim in Jeff
    November 22, 2006 - 05:55 pm
    My apologies to Anna Akhmatova for this (unrelated-to-her) anonymous poem praising tomorrow's major holiday here in USA:

    When I was a young turkey, new to the coop,
    My big brother Mike took me out on the stoop.

    Then he sat me down, and he spoke real slow,
    And he told me there was something I had to know.

    His look and his tone I will always remember,
    When he told me of the horrors of Black November:

    "Come about August, now listen to me,
    Each day you'll get six meals instead of just three,

    "And soon you'll be thick, where once you were thin,
    And you'll grow a big rubbery thing under your chin.

    "And then one morning, when you're warm in your bed,
    In'll burst the farmer's wife and hack off your head.

    "Then she'll pluck out all your feathers so you're bald 'n pink,
    And scoop out all your insides and leave ya lyin' in the sink.

    "And then comes the worst part," he said, not bluffing,
    "She'll spread your cheeks and pack your rear with stuffing."

    Well, the rest of his words were too grim to repeat,
    I sat on the stoop like a winged piece of meat.

    And decided on the spot that to avoid being cooked,
    I'd have to lay low and remain overlooked.

    I began a new diet of nuts and granola,
    High-roughage salads, juice, and diet cola.

    And as they ate pastries, chocolates, and crepes,
    I stayed in my room doing Jane Fonda tapes.

    I maintained my weight of two pounds and a half,
    And tried not to notice when the bigger birds laughed.

    But 'twas I who was laughing, under my breath,
    As they chomped and they chewed, ever closer to death.

    And, sure enough, when Black November rolled around,
    I was the last turkey left in the entire compound.

    So now I'm a pet in the farmer's wife's lap;
    I haven't a worry, so I eat and I nap.

    She held me today, while sewing and humming,
    And smiled at me and said, "Christmas is coming..."

    Happy Thanksgiving, fond forum friends!

    Jim in Jeff
    November 22, 2006 - 06:35 pm
    Scrawler...I too enthrall to Shakespeare's Hamlet, Lear, Caesar, etc. And to the bard's comedy plays. Thanks for naming some of them here.

    annafair
    November 23, 2006 - 04:00 am
    I have so much to be thankful for every day of my life But today is special to me this year Yesterday I took the last of my pills and for several days now I have not coughed at all!

    I am very thankful our 3 days of a nor'easter has moved , unhappily to the north The rain was cold and felt sleety when I let my dog out..The wind was gusting at 40-50 miles per hour and I live in what used to be a forest with towering trees and was almost afraid to stay upstairs near my computer as they often come down ...I am thankful all the trees are still standing in my neighborhood.

    I am thankful for an invitation to one of my son's in-laws for dinner today. While I stayed downstairs I filled my son's wishes for two chess pies, two pecan pies and a banana spice cake. When I finally get up ( I dont consider being up at this time in the am 5:30) I will take then from the freezer to thaw,

    I am thankful I dont have to cook for 15 people Thankful especially to everyone here The autumn poems are are a perfect descriptions of autumns in this area of Virginia This year autumn here was spectacular..The lawns and streets are carpeted with gold and scarlet leaves and still some of the trees have held on to their leaves., I have watched the birds huddle in the trees , shivering in this cold and windy rain..They would fly out each time there was lull in the rain to my feeders and then hurry to hide in the shrubs. I finally went out and threw seed on the ground and on my picnic table the feeders would only accomadate a few at a time and they were fighting to get thier fill. I just checked the weather forecast to see if it had changed but rain is expected into evening today but at least the wind has dropped to 15-20 miles an hour ...that seems like a gentle breeze compared to the last few days.

    One thing I do know I will buy a book of Anna Akhmatova's poems I have enjoyed the ones you have shared, some had such a lyrical quality and all had meanings that I felt.

    Being the oldest person in a group I am often asked to say a blessing. I will ask a blessing and thankfulness to my family and friends wherever they are and I will specifically mention my FAMILY here on SN I will close with an oldie not by AK but by Lydia Maria Child I think sometimes it was these old poems from my childhood that drew me to poetry ...HAPPY THANKSGIVING love, anna

    Over the river and thru the wood,
    To grandfather's house we go;
    The horse knows the way to carry the sleigh,
    Thru the white and drifted snow, oh!


    Over the river and thru the wood,
    Oh, how the wind does blow!
    It stings the toes and bites the nose,
    As over the ground we go.


    Over the river and thru the wood,
    To have a first-rate play;
    Oh, hear the bell ring, "Ting-a-ling-ling!"
    Hurrah for Thanksgiving Day-ay!


    Over the river and thru the wood,
    Trot fast my dapple gray!
    Spring over the ground,
    Like a hunting hound!
    For this is Thanksgiving Day.


    Over the river and through the wood,
    And straight through the barnyard gate.
    We seem to go extremely slow
    It is so hard to wait!


    Over the river and through the wood --
    Now Grandmother's cap I spy!
    Hurrah for fun! Is the pudding done?
    Hurrah for the pumpkin pie!

    Scrawler
    November 23, 2006 - 08:37 am
    What does a certain woman know
    about the hour of death?

    O.Mandelstam

    Tallest, most elegant of us, why does memory
    Insist you swim up from the years, pass
    Swaying down a train, searching for me,
    Transparent profile through the carriage-glass?
    Were you angel or bird? - how we argued it!
    A poet took you for his drinking-straw.
    Your Georgian eyes through sable lashes lit
    With the same even gentleness, all they saw.
    O shade! Forgive me, but clear sky, Flaubert,
    Insomnia, the lilacs flowering late,
    Have brought you - beauty of the year
    '13 - and your unclouded temperate day,
    Back to my mind, in memories that appear
    Uncomfortable to me now. O shade!

    Shade: In 1940 Anna Akmatova

    "In 1940 Akhmatova's personal suffering did not stop her feeling grief for the fate of Paris and London. This leads to a memory of one of her friends of 1913 (the year celebrated and condemned in "Poem without a Hero), Salome Andronnikova, who was living in London. Mandelstram, in a famous poem about her, had punned on her name with a reference to drinking through a straw, (in Russian, solominka means 'little straw'). The epigraph to "Shade" is taken from a poem by Mandelstam that address another emigre, Olga Vaksel, who had committed suicide in Norway." (back of book)

    Happy Thanksgiving one and all!

    Jim in Jeff
    November 23, 2006 - 08:04 pm
    Fair Anna's shared "thankful thoughts" on this Day of Thanksgiving...inspires me to share here this link to an essay by SN's Books Discussions leader about gratitude (and giving's rewards).

    Tho this is prose...like good poetry it spoke volumes to me. robert b. iadeluca, "---The Book Nook: A Meeting Place for Readers-- Everyone is Welcome!" #747, 23 Nov 2006 4:58 am

    Alliemae
    November 24, 2006 - 06:50 am
    You have no idea how happy and relieved I am to hear you are coming along better.

    I'm glad your weather is getting a little better too. We had rain all Thanksgiving day but luckily my daughter took us in her car to the lovely THANKSgiving buffet my son had invited us to. My grandaughter is 8 years old which of course brought us all to memories of when we were 8 and oh my, how we laughed and laughed!

    I can understand how grateful you were not to have to cook--both my daughter and myself felt the same way. What a lovely feeling it is to let someone take care of us after all these years of being Kitchen Kommanders!!

    I've always loved the poem/song "Over the River and Through the Woods" and I remember singing it with the All-Philadelphia Senior High School Chorus and somewhere in between all the traditional verses they had written in:

    "First comes a big bowl of steaming hot soup;
    Then celery and olives and toast.
    Gravy boats swimming and glasses a-brimming with cider that we loved the most

    Tho' we hardly have space for the many good things;
    And must pass up a few with a sigh.
    Each nephew and niece saves room for a piece
    Of our grandmother's pie--Good pumpkin pie!

    Now dinner is through, and who wants to play?
    Who wants to romp, and who wants to race?
    On Grandfather's lap, curled up for a nap,
    Are dear cousin John...and sweet cousin Grace.

    Suddenly Mother looks out of the window nearby,
    And turns to us all with a sigh.
    It's starting to snow; I think we should go,
    Or the drifts may turn out too high.

    Father arises and goes to the barn,
    To harness the faithful old bay.
    We put on our caps--and button our wraps,
    We all bundle up, and get into the sleigh.

    And then it returns to the ending refrains from the actual poem and ends with "Hurrah for Thanksgiving Day!!

    Isn't it funny how the mind can still remember things from the 1950's. I love it!!

    I am truly grateful for you all!

    Hugs, Alliemae

    Alliemae
    November 24, 2006 - 06:54 am
    Jeff, I was fortunate enough to stumble on that essay in another group and I agree wholeheartedly...a MUST read. I learned a lot from that essay. It was truly inspiring.

    Thank you so much for posting the link here.

    Alliemae

    Scrawler
    November 24, 2006 - 09:34 am
    That's how I am. I could wish for you someone other,
    Better.
    I trade in happiness no longer...
    Charlatans, pushers at the sales!...
    We stayed peacefully in Sochi,
    Such nights, there, came to me
    And I kept hearing such bells!
    Over Asia were spring mists, and
    Tulips were carpeting with brilliance
    Several hundreds of miles.
    O, what can I do with this cleanness,
    This simple untaintable scene? O,
    What can I do with these souls!
    I could never become a spectator.
    I'd push myself, sooner or later,
    Through every prohibited gate.
    Healer of tender hurts, other women's
    Husbands' sincerest
    Friend, disconsolate
    Widow of many. No wonder
    I've a grey crown, and my sun-burn
    Frightens the people I pass.
    But - like her - I shall have to part with
    My arrogance - like Marina the martyr -
    I too must drink of emptiness.
    You will come under a black mantle,
    With a green and terrible candle,
    Screening your face from my sight...
    Soon the puzzle will be over:
    Whose hand is in the white glove, or
    Who sent the guest who calls by night.

    1942, Transhkent Anna Akhmatova

    "'That's how I am...' Flown out of Leningrad under siege, by a strange whim of the authorities, Ahmatova spent the next three years in Transhket. She regarded this fresh experience with a mixture of joy, delirium - she became seriously ill with typhus - and recongnition (see 'It is your lynx eyes, Asia...'). Akhmatova draws a parallel between her own condition and the fate of Marina Tsvetaeva. Tsvetaeva, an emigre since 1922 returned to Russia in 1939, to find that her husband, who had preceeded her, had been shot, and her daughter arrested. She hanged herself in 1941, an event which greatly affected Akmatova." ~ back of the book

    I think this poem is an indication of how much her act to remain "silent" cost her both physically and mentally. If I remember correctly she kept silent and than wrote poems prasising Stalin in the hopes of getting her son our of prison and in the end lost him as well.

    MarjV
    November 24, 2006 - 05:24 pm
    From a scene of loveliness to the narrator empathizing with the hurt,sad, etc. and then knows/learns that she is not above this horrible suffering.

    The last 7 lines are especially harsh.

    ~Marj

    Scrawler
    November 25, 2006 - 10:52 am
    Poem 1):

    The souls of those I love are on high stars.
    How good that there is no-one left to lose
    And one can weep. Tsarskoye Selo's
    Air was made to repeat songs.

    By the river bank the silver willow
    Touches the bright September waters.
    Rising from the past, my shadow
    Comes silently to meet me.

    So many lyres, hung on branches, here,
    But there seems a place even for my lyre.
    And this shower, drenched with sun and rare,
    Is consolation and good news.

  • ************************************************************* Poem 2):

    The fifth act of the drama
    Blows in the wind of autumn,
    Each flower-bed in the park seems
    A fresh grave, we have finished.

    The funeral-feast, and there's nothing
    To do. Why then do I linger
    As if I am expecting
    A miracle? It's the way a feeble
    Hand can hold fast to a heavy
    Boat for a long time by the pier
    As one is saying goodbye
    To the person who's left standing.

    1921 (?) "from The Seventh Book" Anna Akhmatova

    "The souls of those I love...Though Akhmatova dates this poem and the next, in the early forties, it is likely that they were written in 1921, the year of Gunilev's death." ~ (back of book)

    In both of these poems we see how she uses nature to draw us pictures of her loneliness. As I grow older I have seen some of my friends not only grow old but also get sick and some even die. For a group of folks that never thought we'd make it past the age of forty I do sometimes wonder "Why then do I linger..."

  • MarjV
    November 25, 2006 - 12:36 pm
    Between the years 1910 and 1912 Akhmatova visited Paris, where she met the painter Amedeo Modigliani, and northern Italy. Modigliani drew sixteen portraits of Akhmatova, some of them nudes. One of the most famous is a portrait, in an Egyptian mode, which has been reproduced on several jackets of Akhmatova's books.

    Here is a sample nude:

    Mogidliani nude of AA

    MarjV
    November 25, 2006 - 12:42 pm
    Comment on #2

    "Why do I linger". Isn't that a question we all have asked after a loss when we try to hold on to what is gone. Keeping in wait for something to change. Or, we ask it later in retrospect. , We hold fast "to the heavy boat". It is natural. And it IS heavy. But the hand does become "feeble" in it's holding. There comes the right time to let go.

    MarjV
    November 25, 2006 - 12:47 pm
    Sir Isaiah Berlin, the famous social historian and essayist, saw Akhmatova several times in Leningrad. "When we met in Oxford in 1965 Akhmatova told me that Stalin had been personally enraged by the fact that she had allowed me to visit her. 'So our nun now received visits from foreign spies,' he is alleged to have remarked, and followed this with obscenities which she could not at first bring herself to repeat to me. The fact that I had never worked in any intelligence organisation was irrelevant. All members of foreign missions were spies to Stalin. Of course, she said, the old man was by the out of his mind, in the grip of pathological paranoia. In Oxford she told me that she was convinced that Stalin's fury, which we had raised, had unleashed the Cold War - that she and I had changed the history of mankind." (from 'Conversations with Akhmatova and Pasternak', in The Proper Study of Mankind, 1998)

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 25, 2006 - 02:31 pm
    hmmm I am not yet ready to leave go of summer - maybe it is my Indian Summer as they call that lovely warm time during mid-autumn when the trees are blazing color in the north and our grasses are sweeps of subtle tans and hazy purples here in the Southwest.

    Drove in a bit earlier than expected from my son's who lives in Lubbock - the experience includes coming down from the high plains to the south plains and then over into the hill country of central Texas. As you come off the high plains at about Post, spread before you is miles of flat with distant caprocks, hills and mesas - there is a view of over 280 degrees around that for me it is difficult to drive - I wanted to take it all in - and then to come upon the first hill you saw in that distant view about an hours drive away while you were driving 80 with the only traffic another vehicle ever 3 or 4 miles apart gives you some idea of the breadth and emptiness of this landscape - Just breath taking - this time of year the clouds are wisps across a blue sky that match the wisps of color changes in sweeps of grass up against the few red rocks that appear to have been tumbled in place thousands of years ago.

    Poetry about landscape is so hackneyed - it seems to have all been said - but it is a sight to behold that is out there if we can take the time to drive through this nation.

    I do not think this poem has been shared yet, but it caught me as so many of her poems do - I loved the line in the first poem you shared Scrawler - "So many lyres, hung on branches, here," it is a line that reminds me that there are so many memories that like a lyre are not only hung in branches out there but in branches within. I love that combination that would not have occurred to me of lyres in branches.

    OK here is the one that caught my attention. This Thanksgiving I too went through what I hear so many go through when someone close to them had passed and they are going on with their life. I had not seen my son on Thanksgiving for years however my daughter drove to my younger son's, Paul and it was the first Thanksgiving in 16 years that they were in the same town much less at the same table. And so Peter, laid as heavy as a stone on my heart a few times.

    The other stone of memory that I only had words to express my feelings that had no description till this year is that all the holidays are heavy with loss for me - I realized that for years as the oldest child in a family of four children [two 13 and 15 years younger] I was like the one who shoveled coal into the furnace that made the holidays and then when I had my own family I became the conductor and engineer -

    Since my children have their own families and at about that time I experienced divorce I am the passenger - not having a lot to say about where the train goes - who comes aboard or the running of the train - my only decision is what luggage I bring aboard and when I get on or off. Regardless if I like the role or not it is recognizing the loss - so many parts of celebrating are not the same nor is the intent to parts of the holiday the same and so the train is not making the same station stops along the way and I often feel as if I am wearing my shoes on the wrong feet.

    I feel lethargic just arriving as a passenger with no clear job for me except to be a pleasant passenger - and so more memories that I need to cope with - I am not sure they can be erased but to go with my deserted house and live so that my heart feels like summer again is a challenge.

    The Sentence

    And the stone word fell
    On my still-living breast.
    Never mind, I was ready.
    I will manage somehow.

    Today I have so much to do:
    I must kill memory once and for all,
    I must turn my soul to stone,
    I must learn to live again—

    Unless . . . Summer's ardent rustling
    Is like a festival outside my window.
    For a long time I've foreseen this
    Brilliant day, deserted house.

    Jim in Jeff
    November 25, 2006 - 06:30 pm
    MarjV...thanks for sharing here that Mogiliani nude pic. Kinda skinny, wasn't she? (big grin)

    Re Scrawler's "Why do I linger"; I feel more in this than MarjV's first-thoughts on Scrawler's AK citation. I today see many former folks dying at far earlier ages than me. I don't know why that is so. My dear Mother died at age 61. Other famous folks died at age 30-40.

    WHY INDEED do I linger at my age-70? Is it to do a future beneficial service? I truly don't know. I too wonder: "Why do I linger here."

    Alliemae
    November 25, 2006 - 07:57 pm
    Thanks for that link, Marge. I love Modigliani's style, but especially his faces. It's always exciting to me when I find that one artist of any medium knew another artist from another medium. We can know them both so much better it seems.

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    November 25, 2006 - 08:00 pm
    Oh please...don't got there!! I'll be 68 on November 30th and I want to go on and on. Jim...do you really feel as though you are 'lingering'? I hope all is well with you.

    Alliemae

    JoanK
    November 25, 2006 - 09:51 pm
    JIM: for Pete's sake!! At 70, you're one of the youngsters in the group. I'm only 73, but ask ANNA how old she is (don't worry, ANNA, I won't tell -- but if you had said "I won't go on" when you were 70, there never would have been a poetry group)

    And ROBBY, who leads the two most demanding discussions here, is 85? 86? I forget. He's planning at least four more years of The Story of Civilization.

    hats
    November 26, 2006 - 02:59 am
    MarjV, thank you for the art of Modigliani.

    MarjV
    November 26, 2006 - 06:59 am
    Comment on "The Sentence"...AA could tell it exactly like it is. Conflicting thoughts. They can happen.

    Thanks for your words and that poem, Barbara. Stones are a part of life unless you view everything as a Pollyanna. Arg!!!!!

    Alliemae
    November 26, 2006 - 08:04 am
    Of all the many poems, I think this has the most personal meaning to me.

    "Today I have so much to do:
    I must kill memory once and for all,
    I must turn my soul to stone,
    I must learn to live again—

    Ah...but how to do it?

    I think the answer probably lies in the tone of the next verse...at least the first two lines of it.

    I think this does not just happen with lost loves or loss of country.

    Marj I so agree with you when you say, "AA could tell it exactly like it is. Conflicting thoughts. They can happen."

    Alliemae

    MarjV
    November 26, 2006 - 09:35 am
    Alliemae - couldn't agree more. Whenever I speak of loss it can be any type. There are so many different losses in our lives that test our resiliency. What may devastate me might only be a slight curve in someone's else's path and vice versa.

    We must learn to live again.

    Scrawler
    November 26, 2006 - 09:42 am
    I like a river,
    Have been turned aside by this harsh age.
    I am a substitute. My life has flowed
    Into another channel
    And I do not recognize my shores.
    O, how many fine sights I have missed,
    How many curtains have risen without me
    And fallen too. How many of my friends
    I have not met even once in my life,
    How many city skylines
    Could have drawn tears from my eyes,
    I who know only the one city
    And by touch, in my sleep, I could find it...
    And how many poems I have not written,
    Whose secret chorus swirls around my head
    And possibly one day
    Will stifle me...
    I know the beginnings and the ends of things,
    And life after the end, and something
    It isn't necessary to remember now.
    And another woman has usurped
    The place that ought to have been mine,
    And bears my rightful name,
    Leaving me a nickname, with which I've done,
    I like to think, all that was possible.
    But I, alas, won't lie in my own grave.

    But sometimes a madcap air in spring,
    Or a combination of words in a chance book,
    Or somebody's smile, suddenly
    Draws me into that non-existent life.
    In such a year would such have taken place,
    Something else in another: travelling, seeing,
    Thinking, remembering, entering a new love
    Like entering a mirror, with a dull sense
    Of treason, and a wrinkle that only yesterday
    Was absent...
    But if, from that life, I could step aside,
    And see my life such as it is, today,
    Then at last I'd know what envy means...

    ~ Leningrad, 1944 ~ "from Northern Elegies" Anna Akhmatova

    "Only a few people in the West suspected that she was still alive, when she was allowed to publish a collection of new poems in 1940. During the Great Patriotic War, when she witnessed the nightmare of the 900-Day Siege, her patriotic poems found their way to the front pages of the Pravda. After Akmatova returned to Leningrad following the Central Asian evacuation in 1944, she was disconcerted with "a terrible ghost that pretended to be my city". ~ Wikipedia

    "Northern Elegies": Akhmatova conceived seven elegies, but some are fragmentary, and the seventh, evidently particularly important to her, appears to be lost all together...

    (Fifth) Anna Gorenko adopted the name Akhmatova when she was seventeen, from a real or imagined Tatar great-grandmother. She grew to resent not having a 'real' name; Akhmatova, she said was 'Tatar, backwards, coming from nowhere, cleaving to every disaster, itself a disaster'. Another allusion in the poem is to her always-muddled martial status as a married/single/homeless/widow woman.

    Two years after this poem was written, the age grew harsher. During the war, her poems had been appearing in magazines, and a "Selected Poems" was published in Tashkent. In 1945, to her surprise and joy, her son returned from the front - he had been released from exile to fight in the war. A selection of her work was printed in Moscow in 1946, but it was never published. Stalin, having dealt with the enemy outside, turned again to destroy the 'enemy within', and Akhmatova bore the first virulence of the attack on 'ideologically harmful and apolitical works'. She was expelled from the Writers' Union, shadowed wherever she went, and, worst of all, her son was re-arrested. He was to spend seven more years in a prison camp. Following Stalin's death, Akhmatova's situation improved, and in the last ten years of her life she was able to live more freely, even visiting the West, and her poetry, though still subject to censorship, was published." ~ (back of book)

    Thank you all for your wonderful posts.

    MarjV
    November 26, 2006 - 11:39 am
    I searched and did not see this posted so far.

    I know, if anyone does,
    the trails and cliffs of insomnia
    but what I did not expect was this calvary charge
    to the blast of a wild trumpet.
    Whose are these doors I open?
    Somebody's fled from his nest.
    How still! how still! Through the mirrors
    of strangers white shadows swim.
    And that thing shaping there is Denmark - no
    it's Normandy. Or is that ghost myself,
    returned to my old haunt,
    and this a new edition
    of my buried life.

    Having experienced episodes of insomnia I was drawn to the first few lines.

    And once again she speaks of a changed life.

    Alliemae
    November 26, 2006 - 06:47 pm
    I just had a thought...wouldn't that line be lovely inscribed on a bangle bracelet or narrow ID bracelet? I think it would...

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    November 26, 2006 - 07:06 pm
    How many lines of this poem could I have called 'favorites'? Well...definitely the first 13 which I can relate to in an odd and uncanny way for this is how I feel about Istanbul, Turkey which is not even, nor never has really been my home. But I can see it with my eyes closed and I would recognize the fragance and sounds anywhere, anytime.

    Or maybe these...

    "But sometimes a madcap air in spring,
    Or a combination of words in a chance book,
    Or somebody's smile, suddenly
    Draws me into that non-existent life.

    And Scrawler, how much I appreciate the history and other details you have included at the end. For I feel Anna has become our friend on some strange level and I am hungry to know more about her. So thank you for these details.

    Alliemae

    JoanK
    November 27, 2006 - 02:55 am
    NOTE: The Story of Civilization is taking a short break, and will start reading about the Renaissance on Sunday, December 3. This is a great chance to join the discussion. You don't have to buy the book, since Robby posts it bit by bit online, and we respond to his posts.

    This should be a great discussion. Whatever we discus, we always post many links -- this should be a great opportunity to see much of the great art of the period, and discuss it.

    We have a lot of fun in that discussion. Some are knowledgeable about history or art; others, like me, are complete novices. But it's amazing how often we see parallels to our own lives in the lives of people in the past. As Durant says "This is about YOU".

    Durant says it better than I can:

    “"It is a mistake to think that the past is dead. Nothing that has ever happened is quite without influence at this moment. The present is merely the past rolled up and concentrated in this second of time. You, too, are your past; often your face is your autobiography; you are what you are because of what you have been; “ Just as you can only be understood by understanding your past, “ So with a city, a country, and a race; it is its past, and cannot be understood without it."

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 04:37 am
    I love this poem. The last few lines of the poem are my favorite.

    Or is that ghost myself,
    returned to my old haunt,
    and this a new edition
    of my buried life.


    With the mention of Normandy, I feel Anna Akhmatova is thinking about some part of the World War. This one heart and soul are extraordinary, miraculous because at any time we can become in touch with two selves, our past self and our present self. We rarely feel comfortable without touching base with the "ghost" of ourselves. Often, my "new edition" of self looks back on my past self for comfort. Other times I go to my past self to make sense of my present self. Sometimes, fool that I am, I try to rearrange the past. This never works. The past is fixed. My past self doesn't have magical power. My past self can listen to my present self making peace with "my buried life." To me, it is all very exciting, unending pleasure to have two part of my one self.

    MarjV
    November 27, 2006 - 06:16 am
    "The Fifth" (posted by Scrawler) is similar to the "To 1940" section I posted in that she is again looking backward and then to the present. "My life has flowed/ Into another channel/ And I do not recognize my shores." I had not had a chance to read "The Fifth" til now -in fact I believe that many of her poems bring the past to the present and Hats post discussing past self and present self brings it to a useable reality of our time and place.

    Sometimes I will think of a past experience and find that experience was needed to be/know what I know/live now. AND , like AA, there is sometimes that feeling of : Hey, I don't recognize this shore!!!!!!

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 07:00 am
    In "The Sentence" by Anna Akhmatova posted by Barbara and in "The Fourth, 1940 posted by MarjV, I notice the word "mirror" used in each poem. I bet Anna Akhmatova used "mirror" in other poems too. Along the way I might have missed the word "mirror" in her other poems. In Anna Akhmatova's poetry, the "mirror" takes on a psychological meaning becoming more than a looking glass showing our facial flaws and perfections.

    Many of the poets we have read in the past here at Poetry Corner have made use of a motif. Some have used color, others used water, etc. Whether inanimate or animate, it seems a poet's world becomes centered on that one motif giving their world a sense of adequacy or well being.

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 07:05 am
    By the way, I have no idea whether Anna Akhamotova uses a motif over and over. I miss having my books from the library.

    MarjV
    November 27, 2006 - 07:10 am
    Great catch on "mirror", Hats. If you have time you could check out her online poems since your books have been returned.

    Google list of AA links

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 07:16 am
    MarjV, thanks! Great! Now I feel happy.

    Alliemae
    November 27, 2006 - 07:22 am
    Thanks, Joan. I had tried this discussion once, even got a great deal at the public library and got 7 of the volumes for $1 each, then found it too difficult for me...BIG book, SMALL print! But the Renaissance...now that's a whole different story! I'd love to at least sit in so I really appreciate your heads up on this.

    By the way, I had donated all those books to the library in our apartment complex...maybe I'll be able to borrow the appropriate book back if it's not out. But like you say, Robby does write it all out which is great for those of us who, like me, pop in and out, unable to break the fascination of knowing where we've come from.

    Alliemae

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 08:16 am
    Alliemae, all of your posts are always beautiful and thoughtful. I have just reread your thoughts about Istanbul. I remember enjoying your memories about Istanbul in My Name is Red and another discussion too. The lines you have chosen from Anna Akhmatova's poem fit the memories of your travels so well. Thank you. I am looking forward to joining you in the Snow discussion. You have made me fall in love with the beauty of Istanbul.

    Scrawler
    November 27, 2006 - 09:33 am
    O Muse of Weeping...

    M. Tsvetaeva

    I have turned aside from everything,
    From the whole earthly store.
    The spirit and guardian of this place
    Is an old tree-stump in water

    We are brief guests of the earth, as it were,
    And life is a habit we put on.
    On paths of air I seem to overhear
    Two frinedly voices, talking in turn.

    Did I say two?...There
    By the east wall's tangle of raspberry,
    Is a branch of elder, dark and fresh.
    Why! it's a letter from Marina.

    ~ November 1961 (in delirium) "from Northern Elegies" Anna Akhmatova

    "There are Four of Us: The three poets referred to, besides Akhmatova, are Pasternak, Mandelstam, and Tsvetaeva. The title is that used in the first publication of the peom, which was in an American-Russian language publication, "Paths of Air". In later Soviet editions of her work, the poem is entitled "Komarovo Sketches." Akhmatova spent much time in her last years at Komarovo, fifty miles from Leningrad on the Karelian isthmus, and she is buried there. The epigraph, 'O Muse of Weeping', is the first line of a poem to Akhmatova written in 1916." ~ (back of book)

    I love the lines: "We are brief guests of the earth, as it were/And life is a habit we put on..." To me we are all put on this earth for a purpose and it is in the journey to discover the reason that we live our lives. I have always felt that it is the journey that is most important. That as we travel we take with us bits and pieces of our past and blend them together to form our future.

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 09:48 am
    Thinking of Alliemae and her travels to Istanbul, I began to think about how the places we go leave a mark on us in many ways. This is a link about the places of Anna Akhmatova. I hope this is not a repeat site.

    When my children were small, my family traveled a lot up and down the eastern coast. I will never forget those times.

    Places of Anna Akhmatova

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 27, 2006 - 10:29 am
    lots of great thoughts posted - I loved reading about your thoughts Hats on your past self - and Joan thanks for the heads up on Robby's discussion - I tried way back when he began the project and got waylaid - and like the way I deal with most things in life once I fall I never feel as if I can join the race again - but your invitation sounds like it could be OK for me to forget the lost time with the other books in the series and just pick up afresh.

    Scrawler I too was taken with the same words - "We are brief guests of the earth, as it were, And life is a habit we put on." and for the first time I had a new image of life - all of a sudden I saw our individual lives as if a plant in the forest - we may have started out near an old log or a bog or in a shaft of light but we made of our existence with our habit of mind - some of us experienced all sorts of storms and some of us even have trees fall on us or insects eat up some of us - we adapt to these experiences and for some of us we become part of the industrial clearcutting and as if a plant had legs we scutter to another part of the forest. I can see now that what happens to some of us during our lifetime is just another story of nature in a million year old forest and each of us like a plant in that forest adapts using the habits of our mind to keep our adapted life preserving the integrity of who we are,

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 02:42 pm
    ‘He loved three things, alive:’

    He loved three things, alive: white peacocks, songs at eve,

    and antique maps of America.

    Hated when children cried,

    and raspberry jam with tea,

    and feminine hysteria.

    …and he had married me.

    I feel this poem is about love. Love is all the sweeter if we know the likes and dislikes of one another. Love is also constant if we are able to overlook the faults of one another.

    hats
    November 27, 2006 - 02:54 pm
    Barbara, I love your thoughts on the poem posted by Scrawler. It's a whole different way of looking at nature. Nature, maybe, is not just for our scenic enjoyment. It also teaches us about ourselves. I love this statement you wrote.

    "I can see now that what happens to some of us during our lifetime is just another story of nature in a million year old forest and each of us like a plant in that forest adapts using the habits of our mind to keep our adapted life preserving the integrity of who we are, "

    Scrawler
    November 28, 2006 - 08:59 am
    Bowing to the ground with Morozova,
    Dancing with the head of a lover,
    Flying from Dido's pyre in smoke
    To burn with Joan at the stake-

    Lord! can't you see I'm weary
    Of this rising and dying and living.
    Take it all, but once more bring me close
    To sense the freshness of this crimson rose.

    Komarovo, 1962 "from Northern Elegies" ~ Anna Akhmatova

    "Last Rose: Morozova was a seventeenth-century dissenter who resisted the reformed ritual of the Orthodox Church and was forcibly removed to Siberia. Akhmatova recited this poem to Robert Frost when the American poet visited the Soviet Union in 1962." ~ (back of book)

    I can see why she might have associated herself with the dissenter Morozova after living under Stalin's dictatorship.

    Barbara, I love your thoughts. I think we are closer to nature than most of us care to think. We are a part of the revolution of nature and like the poem would suggest our association with nature is what brings on our fresh and new ideas.

    Alliemae
    November 28, 2006 - 09:20 am
    Hats, thanks for your kind words...I too am anxiously awaiting sharing 'Snow' with you. I want to thank you also for the link to "Places of Anna Akhmatova"

    Barbara, thank you for pointing out your thoughts about us within nature.

    I must say though, that whilst I just make the odd comment or two, the rest of you are such 'writers'...it's amazing and adds so very much to the discussion. All of your opinions and insights on the poetry and research on the poets make this site a great place to learn about poetry and poets, something that has added great joy to my life since coming here.

    Alliemae

    Scrawler
    November 29, 2006 - 09:14 am
    Impossible almost, for you were always here:
    In the shade of blessed limes, in hospital and
    blockades,
    In the prison-cell, and where there were evil birds,
    Lush grasses, and terrifying water.
    How everything has changed, but you were always here,
    And it seems to me that I have lost half my soul,
    The half you were - in which I knew the reason why
    Something important happened. Now I've forgotten...
    But your clear voice is calling and it asks me not
    To grieve, but wait for death as for a miracle.
    What can I do! I'll try.

    Komarovo, 9 September 1964 "from Northern Elegies" Anna Akhmatova

    "In "Memory of V.C. Sreznevskaya": Valeriya Srenevskaya was one of the poet's oldest and closest friends. They had played together as children at Tsarskoye Selo." ~ (back of book)

    I believe that this may be her best poem that I have read so far. It is simple and direct, but tells the truth - "But your clear voice is calling and it asks me not/to grieve, but wait for death as for a "miracle."

    hats
    November 30, 2006 - 03:18 am
    Scrawler, like Alliemae, I would like to thank you so much important and interesting historical information about Anna Akhmatova. I love the above poem to her friend. It is beautiful. You have picked my favorite lines too. What an interesting thought, one not heard often, seeing death as a miracle. That line alone shows the power of poetry to make us think, review, look back and look forward, always looking at life thoughtfully.

    hats
    November 30, 2006 - 03:21 am
    How everything has changed, but you were always here,
    And it seems to me that I have lost half my soul,
    The half you were


    To know such a friendship is divine.

    Scrawler
    November 30, 2006 - 07:43 am
    No, not under a foreign heavenly-cope, and
    Not canopied by foreign wings-
    I was with my people in those hours,
    There where, unhappily, my people were.

    In the fearful years of the Yezhov terror I spent seventeen months in prison queues in Leningrad. One day somebody 'identified' me. Beside me, in the queue, there was a woman with blue lips. She had, of course, never heard of me; but she suddenly came out of that trance so common to us all and whispered in my ear (everybody spoke in whispers there): 'Can you describe this?' And I said: 'Yes, I can.' And then something like the shadow of a smile crossed what had once been her face. ~ 1 April 1957, Leningrad

    "Forward: 'The Yezhov terror', or yezhovshchina, is the name Russians give the worst period of the purges (1937-38), when Nikolai Yezhov was the official whom Stalin entrusted with the operation." ~ (back of book)

    "'Can you describe this?' And I said: 'Yes, I can.' And then something like the shadow of a smile crossed what had once been her face." Perhaps, these lines more than anything reminds us that poetry, essays, and stories are not only for entertainment, but also to relate and write what REALLY is happening in our world and its people.

    After reading Anna Akhmatova's poetry and reading bits and pieces of her biography I am glad that such censorship doesn't exit here in America. Although there were times when it came close as during the 1950s. And I for one truly believe that we must fight to keep our freedom of thought and word. It is a privilege to have such freedoms and we shouldn't take them for granted.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    November 30, 2006 - 11:05 am
    I love much about her work but some of her work is difficult to read - I do not know about all of you but her poems hit all my buttons of terror - my nightmares are returning - I need to read another author for a bit...

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 1, 2006 - 12:29 am
    There are so few times the temperature dips below freezing here that it is rather traumatic when it does... in keeping with my thoughts tonight this poem says it...

    A Winter Night
    by Sarah Teasdale

    My window-pane is starred with frost,
    The world is bitter cold to-night,
    The moon is cruel, and the wind
    Is like a two-edged sword to smite.

    God pity all the homeless ones,
    The beggars pacing to and fro,
    God pity all the poor to-night
    Who walk the lamp-lit streets of snow.

    My room is like a bit of June,
    Warm and close-curtained fold on fold,
    But somewhere, like a homeless child,
    My heart is crying in the cold

    hats
    December 1, 2006 - 03:24 am
    Barbara, what a lovely poem, a nice and true way to begin December. Tonight, here in Tennessee, the wind is not blowing, the wind is whistling. My chimes are sounding off. Tonight I can really relate to Sara Teasdale's description of the wind.

    The moon is cruel, and the wind
    Is like a two-edged sword to smite.


    I also love the part of the poem which speaks to our inner child. We move forward in the aging process, like a shadow our inner child moves with us. Some people say we grow and mature only to become children again.

    But somewhere, like a homeless child,
    My heart is crying in the cold

    annafair
    December 1, 2006 - 05:43 am
    I apologize for not being here this month. I admire Anna Akhmatova for being able to write under the most dire and sad times. Unfortunately for me I chose a bad time in my life to read her poetry. Poetry has a way of affecting me that no other form of literature can do. I am much better healthwise but still feel down ...who knows why but I look forward to a New Month but most of all I think a NEW YEAR .the days then will be getting longer minute by minute and I know the robins will soon appear and my plum tree will dress in its lacy gown

    Today I chose one of Ted Koosers poems. One I already shared but one that reminds me in spite of every terrible thing that besets mankind there are moments of pure joy ...

    If I am not here for a few days it is because I am acting as a patient advocate for a member of our church who is having serious surgery today..With no family closer than a 1000 miles I will be his family today. The surgery is at one this afternoon and it will be at least 7 hefore it will be over and in the recovery room. So I will be late getting home ...I hope to find some lovely poems to cheer me when I return here,. Here is the poem...and I have only seen a bluebird once in my life. And I have to say it made a lovely view in the early morning light,. May you all be blessed ..anna

    March 18


    Gusty and warm


    I saw the season's first bluebird
    this morning, one month ahead
    of its scheduled arrival. Lucky am I
    to go off to my cancer appointment
    having been given a bluebird, and
    for a lifetime having been given
    this world


    Ted Kooser

    Each of you is a bluebird in my life .....

    Scrawler
    December 1, 2006 - 09:25 am
    leaves from a loose-leaf war diary

    ("thousands - killed in action")

    You need the untranslatable ice to watch.
    You need to loiter a little among the vague
    Hushes, the clever evasions of the vagueness
    Above the healthy energy of decay.
    You need the untranslatable ice to watch,
    The purple and black to smell.

    Before your horror can be sweet
    Or proper.
    Before your grief is other than discreet.

    The intellectual damn
    Will nurse your half-hurt. Quickly you are well.

    But weary. How you yawn, have yet to see
    Why nothing exhausts you like this sympathy.

    "Selected poems - Gwendolyn Brooks"

    It is true that Anna Akhmatova's poems were indeed sad and spoke of a hard and difficult time that for me is only found in my history books. But Gwendolyn Brooks speaks of our own horrors in our own time or at least in the not to distant past.

    And isn't it true that in order to understand what is happening sometimes we need the winter's "ice" and "purple and black" to realize the true meaning of this particular poem.

    hats
    December 1, 2006 - 09:40 am
    Scrawler, your last sentence puts the whole poem in one piece. Thank you for sharing a Gwendolyn Brooks poem.

    Anna, you are so kind. I am not surprised how you have chosen to give your day away to another person. Ted Kooser's poem is very positive in the face of difficult circumstances. I can just see the bluebirds.

    hats
    December 1, 2006 - 09:43 am
    Winter Poem

    once a snowflake fell
    on my brow and i loved
    it so much and i kissed
    it and it was happy and called its cousins
    and brothers and a web
    of snow engulfed me then
    reached to love them all
    and i squeezed them and they became
    a spring rain and i stood perfectly
    still and was a flower


    Written by Nikki Giovanni

    I like this poem. I can remember as a child and an adult too sticking out my tongue to catch a snowflake.

    hats
    December 1, 2006 - 09:55 am
    The Seasons of Her Year by Thomas Hardy
    I

    Winter is white on turf and tree,
    And birds are fled;
    But summer songsters pipe to me,
    And petals spread,
    For what I dreamt of secretly
    His lips have said!


    II

    O 'tis a fine May morn, they say,
    And blooms have blown;
    But wild and wintry is my day,
    My birds make moan;
    For he who vowed leaves me to pay
    Alone--alone!


    I have felt this way. Sometimes my mood doesn't fit the season. I can feel cold and empty like a winter's day. The weather outside my window tells a different story. It's possibly a summer or spring day. All the birds singing, bright blossoms but my heart is experiencing a different season. At other times, the season of my heart is at one with the true season outside of my door.

    Alliemae
    December 1, 2006 - 02:15 pm
    what a sweet and lovely poem...I really felt back in my childhood too...what a joyful memory...snow...

    MarjV
    December 1, 2006 - 06:33 pm
    Hats wrote: I also love the part of the poem which speaks to our inner child. We move forward in the aging process, like a shadow our inner child moves with us

    Well now - that is beautiful. I didn't really think before about our inner child moving with us.....of course. And that inner child might have different "play" last year then it has right now. Insightful, Hats. I always have thought about the inner child as static so this is a step forward.

    Scrawler wrote: And isn't it true that in order to understand what is happening sometimes we need the winter's "ice" and "purple and black" to realize the true meaning of this particular poem

    That is great. And i would add - we need winter's "ice" and "purple and black", not only to understand poems but to understand some of our very own life events/journeys.

    JoanK
    December 1, 2006 - 07:18 pm
    I just talked to ANNA. Her friend had surgery today (instead of Wednesday, as planned) and did very well. I know Anna had been worried, and I could hear the relief in her voice. But she was also very tired. I urged her to rest, and not try to post here unless she felt like it. (Whaddaya bet she'll be here anyway?)

    Isn't her friend lucky to have her for a friend? Aren't we all?

    JoanK
    December 1, 2006 - 07:27 pm
    Going through my books today, I rediscovered a tiny book with pictures of birds on one page, and a poem or phrase on the opposite. The first one says:

    "Even when the bird walks one feels that it has wings" Antonio Marie Lambere.

    Wouldn't it be wonderful if people could say that about us:

    Even when humans walk, one feels that they have wings."

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 1, 2006 - 09:14 pm
    hahahaha OH Joan you have no idea how funny - here you are seriously talking about birds and our spirits winging through the universe - while I get my monthly news from Visual Thesaurus all about "Birds"

    We have Anseriformes [ducks, geese, swans, screamers {what ever they are}] and we have Galliformes [Turkey, Pheasant, Grouse, Partridge, Quail, Chicken, Brush Turkey, Currassows and Hoatzins {whatever the last two are?}]

    The article goes on to show how often we use a bird as a metaphor - Lame Duck - Sitting Duck - Dead Duck - Queer Duck - we Grouse at others when we show bad humor - we Swan about - watch someone like a Hawk - fly like an Eagle - we are called Chicken if we are not foolishly courageous - we can be a Spring Chicken if acting too ambitious or if we show the better side of age - and over the years the Turkey has taken a beating since Franklin thought it should be our national bird. Its scrappy courageous appearance has changed to satisfy the human palate and maximize profits for the breeders -

    Then we have a bird in the hand versus two in the bush - the albatross has taken on a mythical status - foie gras is the current brouhaha topic while coq au vin is still the king of chicken in the pot promised to us by Roosevelt.

    Scrawler
    December 2, 2006 - 09:24 am
    If I could I would
    Go down to winter with the drowsy she-bear,
    Crawl with her under the hillside
    And lie with her, cradled. Like two souls
    In a patchwork bed -
    Two old sisters familiar to each other
    . As cups in a cupboard -
    We would burrow into the yellow leaves
    To shut out the sounds of the winter wind.

    Deep in that place, among the roots
    Of sumac, oak, and wintergreen,
    We would remember the freedoms of summer,
    And we would begin to breathe together -
    Hesitant as singers in the wings -
    A shy music,
    Oh! a very soft song.

    While pines cracked in the snow above,
    And seeds froze in the ground, and rivers carried
    A dark roof in their many blue arms,
    We would sleep and dream.
    We would wake and tell
    How we longed for the spring.
    Smiles on our faces, limbs around each other,
    We would turn and turn
    Until we heard our lips in unison shighing

    The family name.

    "Twelve Moons" ~ Mary Oliver

    I love the imagery of this poem. I would love to cuddle with a she-bear deep in a cave during the Winter. Although I'm not sure the bear would like it. Does anyone here know what the last two lines of this poem mean? Does it perhaps refer to the fact that we are two different species - one human and the other animal.

    Alliemae
    December 2, 2006 - 09:26 am
    I heard a bird sing

    I heard a bird sing
    In the dark of December
    A magical thing
    And sweet to remember:
    "We are nearer to Spring
    Than we were in September,"
    I heard a bird sing
    In the dark of December.

    by Oliver Herford

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 2, 2006 - 09:56 am
    Not yet the dark of December but it sure is the 'cold' of December - brrrrr - I would love to snuggle under my quilts today - but then I realize I get so bored - last night I was so tired of being cold with my shoulders all scruntched and tight that I actually got angry - can you believe - thank goodness I was alone because I was fussing up a storm around here - nothing helped - TV is awful - I was NOT going out to rent a movie - I finally pulled out my Christmas CDs and that helped some - but I was so cold I could not sit and read - I think if there was an empty tin can in my garbage I would have taken it and kicked it around the house I was so spitten angry that it was cold and that I could not get warm - and that awful hot air blowing drying up my nose and me... better stop or I will go off again...

    I love the lines
    Two old sisters familiar to each other
    . As cups in a cupboard -
    We would burrow into the yellow leaves

    But I do not want to burrow - humph I'll burrow enough when I am dead...! So there...

    Alliemae
    December 2, 2006 - 05:35 pm
    To me it sounded more like even though we are two different species, all living things can be 'family', especially two creatures who are seeking the same thing at the same time, for the same reason...what does everyone else think?

    "I was fussing up a storm around here..." (Barbara)

    Oh, Barbara...I am sooooooo happy to know that I'm not the only one who has temper tantrums and wants to 'kick the can around'...when you think of it, as we become more and more men and women of 'mature years' we have plenty to be ticked off about...especially when we are still young inside!!

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    December 2, 2006 - 05:42 pm
    Barbara I had the same problem last night! I usually read or study Greek before I go to sleep or sometimes watch my Britcoms...just a ritual I observe like so many others.

    And it occurred to me last night why in 'the olden days' people used to wear night caps and flannel around their necks and even bed jackets to at least cover the shoulders. But then I get too sweaty...I may still try a light cap with a long back. There's a draft coming somewhere from my balcony door that is only cold it seems when I sleep. I've had a stiff neck all day today! grrrrrrrr

    hats
    December 3, 2006 - 03:32 am
    A stiff neck hurt badly.

    hats
    December 3, 2006 - 03:39 am
    Winter Sleep by Mary Oliver is beautiful. It's hard to pick my most favorite line or lines. I do love the way she describes soft music as "shy."

    A shy music,
    Oh! a very soft song.

    hats
    December 3, 2006 - 03:44 am
    I am still seeing and hearing cardinals outside of my apartment. This poem for some reason reminds me of Emily Dickinson's A part of the poem, to me, almost has the same beat. I heard a fly buzz when I died. That isn't the exact lines. Does anyone else hear that same beat? I will go try and find the poem on the net although, it has nothing to do with winter. I think Anna will excuse me this time.

    JoanK
    December 3, 2006 - 03:44 am
    OHHHHH. I remember when we had our old, bad, heating system, those nights. I would wear three sweaters, a hat, warm socks, flannel sheets, blankets, a comforter, and still felt like I'd never be warm again!!!I could never live in a place that's really cold.

    A warm wool hat and socks do help. I'm told we lose a lot of heat from the top of our head.

    hats
    December 3, 2006 - 03:45 am
    I heard a fly buzz

    Maybe it's in just the first line, the same beat. Is it the same beat?

    hats
    December 3, 2006 - 03:47 am
    JoanK, I always wear a hat. I also try to keep a scar around my throat during the winter when I go outside.

    hats
    December 3, 2006 - 03:53 am
    Robert Frost

    I have never known exactly what this poem should say to me. I just love the words and the sound of the poem. I can hear the "harness bells" of the horse. I have a ring of green bells on my door for the holidays. When we open and shut the door, it sounds like a horse has just trotted pass. The neighbors might wish the horse would stop trotting pass.

    I would love to hear the thoughts of other posters about this poem.

    Scrawler
    December 3, 2006 - 09:07 am
    Sometimes when it gets too cold, I crawl under my quilt, put on my head phones and listen to my CDS. I have these big ear phones that cover my ears just like some kind of large hat. I like to listen to novels being read or soothing music. My cat snuggles up to me too, but if I should doze off she shakes me - apparently I Snore!

    Winter Trees:

    First it was only the winter trees -
    their boughs eloquent at midnight

    with small but mortal explosions, and always a humming
    under the lashings of storm.

    Nights I sat at the kitchen door
    listening out into the darkness

    until finally spring came, and everything
    transcended. As one by one

    the ponds opened, took the white ice
    painfully into their dark bellies,

    I began to listen to them shore-slapping and rock leaping
    into the growl of creeks,

    and then of course the ocean, far off,
    pouring everything, over and over,

    from jar to enormous jar. You'd think
    it would stop somewhere, but next it was rocks

    flicking their silver tongues all summer, panting
    a little on their damp under-sides.

    Now I listen as fall rides
    in the wagons of the wind, lighting up the world

    with red, yellow, and the long-leaved ash
    as blue as fire, and I know

    there's no end to it, the kingdoms
    crying out - and no end

    to the voices the heart can hear once
    it's started. Already like small white birds

    snow is falling from the ledges of the north, each flake
    singing with its tiny mouth as it wings out

    into the wind, whispering about love, about darkness
    as it balances in the clear air, as it whirls down.

    "Twelve Moons" ~ Mary Oliver

    I love this "winter" poem; especially the lines: "and then of course the ocean, far off, pouring everything, over and over,". That's just how I remember the "ocean" as I lay in my warm bed as a child anxiously waiting for Christmas to get here.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 4, 2006 - 12:05 am
    I found this poet who wrote "Learning" - I had to find out more about him and then I found this - wow --

    Traveling Through The Dark

    Traveling through the dark I found a deer
    dead on the edge of the Wilson River road.
    It is usually best to roll them into the canyon:
    that road is narrow; to swerve might make more dead.

    By glow of the tail-light I stumbled back of the car
    and stood by the heap, a doe, a recent killing;
    she had stiffened already, almost cold.
    I dragged her off; she was large in the belly.

    My fingers touching her side brought me the reason--
    her side was warm; her fawn lay there waiting,
    alive, still, never to be born.
    Beside that mountain road I hesitated.

    The car aimed ahead its lowered parking lights;
    under the hood purred the steady engine.
    I stood in the glare of the warm exhaust turning red;
    around our group I could hear the wilderness listen.

    I thought hard for us all--my only swerving--,
    then pushed her over the edge into the river.

    William Stafford


    So many images - the glare of the rear red light in the exhaust reminds me of how many women in the red light districts are essentially pushed over the edge in the dark - dark because we do not like to hear about them and their stories so the exist in the rear of most of our towns like so much exhaust from the uncaring in their lives.

    Then I saw it another way - How many new warm dreams are not born as we push the one who holds the dream over the edge because the dream if allowed to be conflicts with our journey on the established road.

    And then - the awful knowing that some things you just cannot do - so awful, awful - there was no way he could have kept the fawn alive even if he performed a cesarian there on the mountain road. Some things are beyond us and that leaves us with so much inner tearing and ripping pain.

    And then the concept that someone did not carry out their responsibility when they hit the doe - they left her there for another to carry her over the edge - it is not easy to send potential over the edge and to be a coward when the task is yours regardless that you wanted it, or that it came at you as a surprise, you still have the responsibility to take care of what has been sent your way in my opinion.

    This American poet says many things to me - I will share "learning" as well - to me it has a haunting quality.

    Learning

    A piccolo played, then a drum.
    Feet began to come -- a part
    of the music. Here came a horse,
    clippety clop, away.

    My mother said, "Don't run --
    the army is after someone
    other than us. If you stay
    you'll learn our enemy."

    Then he came, the speaker. He stood
    in the square. He told us who
    to hate. I watched my mother's face,
    its quiet. "That's him," she said.

    William Stafford

    Scrawler
    December 4, 2006 - 12:26 pm
    Stafford does have a haunting quality to his poems!

    Snow Moon - Black Bear Gives Birth

    It was not quite spring, it was
    the gray flux before.

    Out of the black wave of sleep she turned,
    enormous beast,

    and welcomed the little ones, blind pink islands
    no bigger than shoes. She washed them;

    she nibbled them with teeth like white tusks;
    she curled down
    beside them like a horizon.

    They snuggled. Each knew what it was:
    an original, formed
    in the whirlwind, with no recognitions between
    itself and the first steams

    of creation. Together they nuzzled
    her huge flank until she spilled over,

    and they pummeled and pulled her tough nipples, and she
    gave them
    the rich river.

    "Twelve Moons" ~ Mary Oliver

    I love this poem. It makes me want to snuggle up against something warm and soft. Here kitty, kitty!

    annafair
    December 4, 2006 - 06:13 pm
    I just read all the poems posted and the comments ..everyone shared something special , something made me laugh although I am not sure what it was , some made me weep ..inside where it pains the most but all were special and I thank you for them,

    The surgeon says the operation was a success, But he took thier advice and had both knees replaced . According the surgeon they were indeed in need of replacement. Today they moved him to a room where they will have more deliberate and intense therapy. They gave him two pain pills before they started .. I had to ask if they were alcohol because he became sort of silly and didnt seem to want to cooperate! I left when they returned the second time encouraging him to move to a chair.The night before he had tried to get out of bed I think he was dreaming he was home and wanted to do something .. perhaps have some ice cream but all the bandages and monitors were removed and he seemed to feel more like himself. Finally they gave him real food and that helped.

    It is exhausting but what good are we if we dont help each other .I am not sure how long he will be in rehab ,usually two weeks with one knee But two ?

    I found a poem about snow I intended to copy and post HOWEVER my desk is a MESS and when I started to type Everything slipped and slid to the floor and my address book fell open to Joan Kraft and I decided to call her and she said she had been thinking of me and decided this was destiny!! Sorry we giggled and I left to eat the soup I had made and got out one of the disks with some of my own poems and will share that ...as you can see it was written the 27th of December a few years ago.. Winter is NOT my favorite time of the year Like all of you it seems we dont like really COLD weather..and tonight it is supposed to fall to 21! anyway I feel I am at last catching up on my sleep and laundry etc and here is my poems...to all of you who I now call ANNA's ANGELS...anna

    Winter Moon


    A winter moon hangs high ,
    Pinned a polished pewter plate
    Against a deep, dark night.
    Piercing tattered clouds of black chiffon
    That gather to hide its light.
    Its rays sharply stab a hole
    Through the web of bare tree limbs,
    Etches platinum frost
    Outlines on abandoned summer
    Swings.
    Lays an icy sheen upon the sand.
    With heavy hand touches
    Barren, bleak land .
    Suppresses the hint of spring
    Beneath the frigid sod.
    Where pregnant bulbs
    Await the Hand of God.


    anna alexander 12/29/97 all right reserved

    hats
    December 5, 2006 - 12:06 am
    Anna, thank you for Winter Moon. It is very beautiful. It is impossible to fix my eye on a favorite line or two. If I had to choose, I would pick

    Suppresses the hint of spring
    Beneath the frigid sod.
    Where pregnant bulbs
    Await the Hand of God.

    hats
    December 5, 2006 - 12:07 am
    Anna, I am glad your friend's operation was a success.

    annafair
    December 5, 2006 - 06:06 am
    She emailed me one of my poems she will be using on her web site so I dont have to look for one ..I hope you enjoy it ..I still have my mothers recipe but it requires a lot of steps. It my far the best sugar cookie I have ever eaten and will email the recipe to anyone interested. I have to hurry these days to be at the hospital hopefully before the doctor arrives and I can get some info for his family in Iowa....here is the poem I wish I could send the fragrance of these cookies and the taste as well ...anna



    Holiday Cookies


    Tonight I baked holiday cookies
    Not the ones my mother used to make.
    Dough chilled in a window box,
    Rolled thin as parchment,
    Cut carefully with cutters.
    In shapes of moons and stars,
    Santas, snowmen, angels and deer.
    When old enough I was allowed to help,
    Sprinkling each shape
    With colored sugar, yellow for stars,
    Green for trees and for Santa a cheery red.
    When I tired she sent me off to bed.
    The fragrance from the nutmeg
    Wafted up the stairs, perfumed the air
    And blessed my slumber.
    Morning found the kitchen clean,
    Nothing to tell of the nights effort.
    Except, a big box layered with cookies,
    Cushioned with waxed paper.
    On the table a plate of what my mother called
    Weird cookies. Dough rolled too often,
    Scraps left over rolled and cut
    With whatever shape would fit.
    Trees missing branches, a splintered
    Crescent moon, Santas who lost their bodies
    Only their heads endure. Over all
    Remains of colored sugar,
    Mixed together, sprinkled on crazy shapes.
    The perfect cookies were saved for guests, small children
    Choosing the larger cookies while the mothers
    Nibbled smaller moons and stars.
    We were also allowed to take just one
    . Delicate, a bite melted on your tongue
    Like cotton candy at the carnival.
    Wonderful but it was the weird cookies
    I missed last night ...ones Mother made just for me.


    anna alexander 12/17/2002 all rights reserved

    Scrawler
    December 5, 2006 - 09:54 am
    Like Brooms of Steel
    The Snow and Wind
    Had swept the Winter Street -
    The House was hooked
    The Sun sent out
    Faint Deputies of Heat-
    Where rode the Bird
    The Silence tied
    His ample - plodding Steed
    The Apple in the Cellar snug
    Was all the one that played

    ~ Emily Dickinson

    This winter poem was shared by a friend in another poetry discussion group that I'm in and I wanted to share it with you folks. I love the imagery of Winter in this poem especially the apple playing in the cellar.

    Anna, thanks for the holiday poems.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 6, 2006 - 03:31 am
    so many wonderful lines in the Dickenson piece - a house is hooked from the winter wind that swept the streets - what a simple and charming picture along with apples snug in the cellar - so many of the metaphors Dickenson uses have been borrowed by less gifted wordsmiths so that they have lost some of their magic but to me she is a poet who paints quiet pictures with words -

    Anna holiday cookies really brought out the muse in you - just wonderful - what a great memory for your daughter to have of her mom who not only bakes for the holidays but can write about what she baked - I love it...

    I came across this translation that is more a love poem than so many that we are told are love poems - most love poems I think are more about the writers infatuation with aspects of another that he admires and not about the process of love - the giving - the genuine caring for the best to be ferried to another while still delicately being aware of the freedom of the loved one.

    Love Song
    by Rainer Maria Rilke

    How shall I hold on to my soul, so that
    it does not touch yours? How shall I lift
    it gently up over you and on to other things?
    I would so very much like to tuck it away
    among long lost objects in the dark
    in some quiet, unknown place, somewhere
    which remain motionless when your depths resound.
    And yet everything that touches us, you and me,
    takes us together like a single bow,
    drawing out from two strings but one voice.
    And which violinist holds us in his hand?
    Oh sweetest song

    JoanK
    December 6, 2006 - 03:43 am
    I love the cookie poem, too. It is pure ANNA!

    BARBARA: how wonderful.

    hats
    December 6, 2006 - 06:17 am
    Scrawler and Barbara thank you. I love Emily Dickinson. I am not familiar with Rainer Maria Rilke. The "Love Song" is wonderful.

    hats
    December 6, 2006 - 06:20 am
    I am rereading the Love Song. When we give away our love, is it difficult to hold on to our identity? In the process of becoming one, is there a sacrifice?

    How shall I hold on to my soul, so that
    it does not touch yours? How shall I lift
    it gently up over you and on to other things?


    I love those lines. It's a beautiful poem.

    hats
    December 6, 2006 - 06:40 am
    Those Winter Sundays by Robert Hayden


    Sundays too my father got up early
    And put his clothes on in the blueback cold,
    then with cracked hands that ached
    from labor in the weekday weather made
    banked fires blaze. No one ever thanked him.


    I'd wake and hear the cold splintering, breaking.
    When the rooms were warm, he'd call,
    and slowly I would rise and dress,
    fearing the chronic angers of that house,


    Speaking indifferently to him,
    who had driven out the cold
    and polished my good shoes as well.
    What did I know, what did I know
    of love's austere and lonely offices?


    This poem is a reminder of Mitch Albom's new book For One More Day. For whatever reasons, at times, I have said What die I know, what did I know. Many years later there are flashbacks of the people I love. I know how much they loved by what they sacrificed for me. If I had one more day, I would say thank you again and again in different ways.

    Scrawler
    December 6, 2006 - 09:39 am
    Deep in the woods,
    under the sprawled upheavals of rocks,

    dozens lie coiled together.
    Touch them: they scarcely

    breathe; they stare
    out of such deep forgetfulness

    that their eyes are like jewels -
    and asleep, though they cannot close.

    And in each mouth the forked tongue,
    sensitive as an angel's ear,

    lies like a drugged muscle.
    With the fires of spring they will lash forth again

    on their life of ribs!-
    bodies like whips!

    But now under the lids of the mute
    succeeding snowfalls

    they sleep in their cold cauldron: a flickering broth
    six months below simmer.



    ~ "Twelve Moons" Mary Oliver

    Personally, I think that snakes have gotten a bad rap from the image given to us by some of the Bible stories. Just like all creatures in this world they too serve a purpose. They keep the rat population down and thus keep diseases that rats carry down as well.

    I love all of your posts.

    Alliemae
    December 6, 2006 - 10:35 am
    The snow had begun in the gloaming,
    And busily all the night
    Had been heaping field and highway
    With a silence deep and white.

    Every pine and fir and hemlock
    Wore ermine too dear for an earl,
    And the poorest twig on the elm-tree
    Was ridged inch-deep with pearl.

    From sheds new-roofed with Carrara
    Came Chanticleer’s muffled crow,
    The stiff rails were softened to swan’s-down
    And still fluttered down the snow.

    I stood and watched by the window
    The noiseless work of the sky,
    And the sudden flurries of snow-birds,
    Like brown leaves whirling by.

    I thought of a mound in sweet Auburn
    Where a little headstone stood;
    How the flakes were folding it gently,
    As did robins the babes in the wood.

    Up spoke our own little Mabel,
    Saying, “Father, who makes it snow?”
    And I told of the good All-father
    Who cares for us here below.

    Again I looked at the snow-fall,
    And thought of the leaden sky
    That arched o’er our first great sorrow,
    When that mound was heaped so high.

    I remembered the gradual patience
    That fell from that cloud like snow,
    Flake by flake, healing and hiding
    The scar of our deep-plunged woe.

    And again to the child I whispered,
    “The snow that husheth all,
    Darling, the merciful Father
    Alone can make it fall!”

    Then, with eyes that saw not, I kissed her;
    And she, kissing back, could not know
    That my kiss was given to her sister,
    Folded close under deepening snow.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 6, 2006 - 11:48 am
    Oh that works on several levels doesn't it - the snow that flutters down on his heart and the rasp of snow birds that fly by in sounds just like the raw bits that come with the ice feeling -

    Hats isn't it curious how retrieve from memory our child eye of events and by adding the layer of our adult experiences we modify our feelings for those we depended upon during childhood. That love poem opened my eyes in a profound way to the nails in the coffin between me and the sister who is closest to me in age.

    Interesting laying deep under a muffled snowfall was the confusion of a child not able to sort out a childhood experience in which the only way I knew how to cope was in quiet anger. On the phone last week with my younger sister who is 15 years younger she said something that I never realized was so obvious - that when she was a toddler she never knew what the cause of the tension was between my sister and I but she knew it was there. And then I came upon the poem - one of those little miracles that happen.

    Love was not a word in our home either - no rass-a-phrassing either - just lots and lots of fear. I am the oldest and was protective of my sister, as much as a child 2 years older can protect. But I thought we had a pact that we were going on to make it in spite of our circumstances. Between the eyes or in my heart hit me the lines,
    ..."How shall I lift
    it gently up over you and on to other things?
    I would so very much like to tuck it away
    among long lost objects in the dark...
    I see now I loved her and more, my protection was as if I could tuck her into dark and safe places - which at times I did by making myself available. But here she was at 5, having taken the kitchen knife on her way to the backyard where we were told to go and play, sitting on the ground telling me as I sat on the back steps that she wanted to kill herself. She took the knife and started to jab it into her arms and legs not knowing at 5 how to do the deed. I sat there frozen not fully understanding - an anger that she would cop out enraged me. I do not think I believed she would die but I did feel she had abandoned our pact - I felt so alone and angry for trying to protect her.

    Of course Mom comes out seeing the blood spurting everywhere and yells at me that why did I allow this to happen. Now I can see of course when you are frightened you must relieve the fear by yelling and blaming. But it is the frozen feeling of being alone and then the awful feeling of knowing I had made the decision I would never save her again at my expense. The misplaced guilt has been buried deeper and deeper under a mound of snowstorms. Neither of us could have stopped my father and so the whole thing has been a lifetime of muffled confusion.

    Well you have no idea the freedom I feel to know after all these years to realize that not only did I love my sister who I wanted to tuck away from danger - and that because of our circumstance we were two bows and even more, I instinctively knew I wanted her to be capable and independent so that my protection as I thought of it was given thinking we both wanted what was best for each other and that we both were going to be strong and capable - I was shocked - hurt and angry that her own feeling of despair overshadowed our mutual unspoken pact to be courageous and strong.

    Yes, I know a 5 year old could not have thought it through and where now I have the words to express what I was feeling I didn't at 7 - But to
    hold on to my soul, so that
    it does not touch yours? How shall I lift
    it gently up over you and on to other things?
    is profound when life and death is basic to the relationship - when not touching and not tucking a loved one into a dark and safe place leaves you feeling like the bottom dropped out of your world.

    And then to have that followed by The First Snowfall was a message I cannot overlook. Therapy for the Day around here but oh it feels so good to understand childhood a lifetime later...

    hats
    December 6, 2006 - 02:14 pm
    Barbara, you have hit on a truth. Family relationships are fragile. You have come to a perfect place. The ability to look at each person with an understanding of why they have a certain reaction. I am coming to the same understanding. Everyone reacts a certain way for a reason. Just as life shaped me, it shaped my other family members. Only all were shaped in a different way. I had one sister who died in 1993. She was twenty one years older than me. We were always reaching out to each other, never really bridging the gap. I realize now she had more understanding than me. What she understood then, I am just beginning to understand now. I have been focusing on different types of relationships this week. Understanding one another is never easy because different life events shape us. I think we should handle each other very tenderly, never knowing which road a person has gone down in life. Plus, we unfold at different times, just like roses. In other words, we mature at different times, We unfold like petals of a rose seeing, believing, asking in different seasons from one person to the next person. I suppose this is why it is awfully important to try not to reject a person. All of us are on a journey.

    I enjoyed your therapy for today. What hour should we return tomorrow?

    hats
    December 6, 2006 - 02:31 pm
    The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
    But I have promises to keep,
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep.


    I know this poem is so hackneyed. I feel these lines are about our psyches. The "woods" are the thoughts and feelings of every person. Once an understanding is reached between people there is a certain beauty. This knowing of one another is never easy. At first, it's like drudging through a dark and deep forest. This speaker in the poem isn't going to give up on the struggle,

    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep.


    Perhaps, he needed to ask forgiveness of a person. Maybe he just wanted to say "I love you" to someone. For whatever reason or reasons, I feel his journey is an important one. He is determined to find catharsis.

    annafair
    December 7, 2006 - 09:52 am
    all the poems but more the deep and profound thoughts I am touched by each of you Your ability to see beyond and make sense of life's pain and sorrow and even of happinesss. There really isnt a poem I cant find something special to stir me And you have chosen some I have loved in the past and havent visited for some time...

    Aging is a process that reuires us to look back and see how it was for our parents. our family when we were all young..It opens the doors to understanding and hopefully forgiveness because sometimes that is needed for both sides..

    After all the lovely and profound poems you have shared I almost hate to share one of mine But I find I just dont have the time ( and I have tried) to find a special poem by real poet .. in any case I hope it makes you smil.. Love to you all.. anna

    Snow


    Snow, that debutante in winter dress
    dances ‘cross my lawn.
    With fancy arabesques she shows
    her ruffled gossamer gown.


    Wind escorts her willingly
    pas de deux they advance.
    Bow to each, they chase and lift
    and whirl and spin in space.


    Their promenade covers my wood pile high
    with a mantle of loveliness.
    Exiting stage right they leave behind
    a landscape of shimmered serenity.
    II


    Snow? that temptress with her flaunting ways,
    seals my doors so I cannot escape.
    Sheds icy tears, encapsulates my car,
    imprisons me with snowy bars.


    Vehicles slip and slide into the ditch
    while people trudge and seek to find.
    A warm place to melt their icy palms,
    curse feet they no longer can control.


    How can it be this frothy snow
    contains both a beauty and a beast?
    Was it me that yearned for snow ?
    now I plead... Please, Please GO!


    anna alexander 2/10/00 all rights reserved

    Scrawler
    December 7, 2006 - 11:49 am
    A cold slate
    full of swirls, rafts
    of sea ducks, waves
    tossed shoreward on dark tines,
    lapping with boiling tongues
    up the smooth sand: it is almost
    high tide. We watch
    the swelling, the billowing
    advance. We cease
    talking, the Sunday gossip
    about the lives of neighbors;
    the flameless, vague
    philosophies mournful
    as our hearts, violent
    as last night's movie, drab
    as middle age. We listen
    to the booming under the warf,
    the smashing of the water's gray fists
    among the pilings, its desire
    to eat us up, to carry us -
    so mournful, so wasteful -
    far out into the blue cauldron
    of the sea's immense appetite again, leaving
    only the birds flying above the shore,
    the fallen gardens, the empty house:
    room after room peaceful, its beautiful
    boards washed clean.

    "Twelve Moons" Mary Oliver

    I'm not sure that I agree with this poem - especially the reference to the "drab" middle age. But it does remind me of the winter of our lives where we face "fallen gardens" and "empty houses". And of course the imagery of the "sea" makes me shiver.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 7, 2006 - 12:34 pm
    fabulous description of the sea - wow...! Now if I could get these "boards" [house] washed clean - as if the sea washed over the house -

    hmmm does that mean it must look wrecked as after a hurricane before it gets cleared out? Shoot never thought of that - maybe I should thank my blessings and continue to pick away at clearing.

    In fact as I wrote these "boards" [house] my mind jumped to "boards" [memory, unresolved issues] and again, do not want a storm surge - I have had enough storm surges in my life - yep, picking away maybe slow - like cleaning up a beach but a lot less stressful and a lot less exhausting.

    Yep, I think I will be satisfied pushing my wheelbarrow, crying, "Cockles and mussels, alive, alive oh"! -

    Alliemae
    December 7, 2006 - 02:51 pm
    Please don't say you wanted to find a poem by a 'real' poet, for if this is not a 'real' poem by a 'real' poet...

    I'll eat my hat
    and that's that!

    [now that is NOT a 'real' poem...because I am NOT a 'real' poet.]

    But I do recognize lovely poetry and I loved your words in Snow, anna...

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    December 7, 2006 - 02:57 pm
    Generally, I don't like snakes. They seem cold and impossible to cuddle and they never seem to look back as if there were any sense of comradeship as you can get with cats, dogs, horses, goats, and many other critters.

    But I must say that only Mary Oliver has portrayed them positively. I really, really liked that poem. And, Scrawler, I guess you have a point about the mice but I do still prefer a cat for that job. : )

    hats
    December 8, 2006 - 08:24 am
    Barter

    Poem lyrics of Barter by Sarah Teasdale.


    Life has loveliness to sell,
    All beautiful and splendid things,
    Blue waves whitened on a cliff,
    Soaring fire that sways and sings,
    And children's faces looking up
    Holding wonder like a cup.


    Life has loveliness to sell,
    Music like a curve of gold,
    Scent of pine trees in the rain,
    Eyes that love you, arms that hold,
    And for your spirit's still delight,
    Holy thoughts that star the night.


    Spend all you have for loveliness,
    Buy it and never count the cost;
    For one white singing hour of peace
    Count many a year of strife well lost,
    And for a breath of ecstasy
    Give all you have been, or could be.


    I think in this poem Sara Teasdale has caught the Holiday mood.

    hats
    December 8, 2006 - 08:28 am
    Anna, through your poem I see the snow in a lovely way. I see the snowflakes dancing like light ballerinas. What a beautiful and different way to think of "Snow." I love, love these lines.

    Snow, that debutante in winter dress
    dances ‘cross my lawn.
    With fancy arabesques she shows
    her ruffled gossamer gown.


    Wind escorts her willingly
    pas de deux they advance.
    Bow to each, they chase and lift
    and whirl and spin in space.

    Scrawler
    December 8, 2006 - 10:23 am
    December, and still no snow in sight.
    Only this slowly lashing rain
    Dashing down the last acorns in the oak trees
    Over our heads, here in Massachusetts.
    In Ohio, where we were both born,
    They have taken you back to the hospital
    Where, because of things like injections
    And life-sustaining fluids, and your husband
    At whose urging you eat a little food
    Painfully, twice a day,
    You will probably last until Christmas.

    Miles away, under the stinging rain,
    In my youth, in my vulgar good health,
    I am thinking of you. I am thinking:
    Enough is enough. You have a tender face.
    I am your godchild, and there are no gods.

    Probably, sooner or later, it will snow.
    The white flakes will fly over the hillsides
    Smoothing out everything, settling
    Calm as a sheet over a tired body.
    Probably, sooner or later, you will die,
    And men will find the cure for cancer.
    Menwhile, you breathe on toward Christmas -
    The birthday, they say, of charity and hope.

    ~ "Twelve Moons" ~ Mary Oliver

    This in many ways is a sad poem and it reminds me of when my son went to the hospital on December 26. He made it through Christmas, but he died the following March. But it is also a poem about hope and charity. As we look toward the days before Christmas let us also hope that Men [and women] do find a cure for Cancer and that in the centuries to come this disase will be eradicated not unlike small pox or measles of centuries past. I'm proud of the fact that my daughter is studying to become a research scientist - maybe she'll be the one to discover that cure.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 8, 2006 - 11:36 am
    Lovely and poignant Scrawler without being soppy - I am glad it is a poem of hope for you...

    hats
    December 9, 2006 - 03:39 am
    Scrawler, I agree with Barbara. Thank you for sharing your feelings in such a dignified way.

    Scrawler
    December 9, 2006 - 10:01 am
    Our mother's kingdom does not fall
    But like her old piano wanders
    Slowly and finally out of tune.
    There are so many things to do
    She rarely plays it anymore,
    But there were years of Bach and Strauss;
    The chords flew black and rich and round
    With meaning through our windy house.
    We fell asleep, we wove our dreams
    In that good wilderness of sound.

    At Christmas, when we all come home
    The table's stretched with boards and laid
    With linen; in a festive ring
    We sit like heroes trading tales.
    But lately in a little while,
    Among the talk of art, or war,
    A kind of hesitation comes;
    A silence echoes everything.

    Afterward we rise and file
    Behind our mother to the fire.
    With stiffened hands she thumps away
    In honor of the holy day;
    Hymns and carols rise and hold
    As best they can on blasted scales.
    We listen, staring at the night
    Where faith and failure sound their drums,
    And snow is drifting mile on mile.

    Our mother's kingdom does not fall,
    But year by year the promise fades;
    Dreams of childhood warp and pall,
    Caught in the dark fit of the world.
    Now, less than what we meant to be,
    We watch the night and feed the fire.
    We listen as the bent chords climb
    Toward alleluias rich but wrong;
    We sing, and grieve for what we are
    Compared with the intended song.

    ~ "Twelve Moons" ~ Mary Oliver

    Oh! How this poem brings back memories - my mother at the piano playing and all of us singing Christmas hymns and carols. My grandfather would accompany her with his guitar. Everyone in my family is musically inclined except for yours truly. My daughter and husband both played the violin and my sister played the guitar. Even my son played sax for a time. As for me when I tried to play the piano my father would gently but firmly suggest that I find something else to do since the neighborhood dogs were howling again!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 10, 2006 - 01:27 am
    this one seems to follow the Eleanor Poem

    Sorrow
    by Aubrey de Vere

    When I was young, I said to Sorrow,
    "Come I will play with thee!" --
    He is near me now all day;
    And at night returns to say,
    "I will come again to-morrow,
    I will come and stay with thee."

    Through the woods we walk together;
    His soft footsteps rustle nigh me.
    To shield an unregarded head,
    He hath built a wintry shed;
    And all night in rainy weather,
    I hear his gentle breathings by me.

    Scrawler
    December 10, 2006 - 10:22 am
    Says a country legend told every year:
    Go to the barn on Christmas Eve and see
    what the creatures do as that long night tips over.
    Down on their knees they will go, the fire
    of an old memory whistling through their minds!

    I went. Wrapped to my eyes against the cold
    I cracked back the barn door and peered in.
    From town the church bells spilled their midnight music,
    and the beasts listened -
    yet they lay in their stalls like stone.

    Oh the heretics!
    Not to remember Bethlehem,
    or the star as bright as a sun,
    or the child born on a bed of straw!
    To know oly of the dissolving Now!

    Still they drowsed on -
    citizens of the pure, the physical world,
    they loomed in the dark: powerful
    of body, peaceful of mind,
    innocent of history.

    Brothers! I whispered. It is Christmas!
    And you are no heretics, but a miracle,
    immaculate still as when you thundered forth
    on the morning of creation!
    As for Bethlehem, that blazing star

    still sailed the dark, but only looked for me.
    Caught in its light, listening again to its story
    I curled against some sleepy beast, who nuzzled
    my hair as though I were a child, and warmed me
    the best it could all night.

    "Twelve Moons" ~ Mary Oliver

    I like this Christmas Poem very much. I know for me that whenever I'm depressed all I have to do is pet my cat and her purring helps me to overcome my emotions. I especially like the lines: "I curled against some sleepy beast, who nuzzled/my hair as though I were a child, and warmed me/ the best it could all night." I think there is a reason the animals were there at the first Christmas.

    Alliemae
    December 11, 2006 - 07:15 am
    I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day
    by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    I heard the bells on Christmas day
    Their old familiar carols play,
    And wild and sweet the words repeat
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    And thought how, as the day had come,
    The belfries of all Christendom
    Had rolled along the unbroken song
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    Till ringing, singing on its way
    The world revolved from night to day,
    A voice, a chime, a chant sublime
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.

    And in despair I bowed my head
    “There is no peace on earth,” I said,
    “For hate is strong and mocks the song
    Of peace on earth, good will to men.”

    Then pealed the bells more loud and deep:
    “God is not dead, nor doth He sleep;
    The wrong shall fail, the right prevail
    With peace on earth, good will to men.”

    ...for this is the carol/poem which will get me through Christmas yet again during another vicious war...

    hats
    December 11, 2006 - 07:26 am
    Alliemae, I am glad you posted the Henry Wadsworth Longfellow poem this morning. I am glad you highlighted the last four lines. On the news this morning there were children without fathers. Their fathers had died in the Iraq war. Although, they gave of themselves by singing carols for other children, I could see the sadness in their eyes. Looking at those children I hated war more than ever.

    Scrawler, I am enjoying Mary Oliver'spoems. Thank you.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 11, 2006 - 08:12 am
    the two poems together were amazing - I could not help but mull on how when we are in despair because there is "no peace on earth" when "hate is strong" we want to believe that good will prevail and "the dark: powerful of body, peaceful of mind, innocent of history" take on a mythical quality that usually we simply see these barn creatures as so much responsibility, as part of the landscape that is tied to tradition rather than offering an opportunity for new industry in the minds and hearts of those who observe these creatures in the fields or, among those who take care of them.

    All of a sudden I have realized how we look all around us and see through the eyes of our outlook on life and then how our outlook is colored by both our emotions and what we have learned to judge as righteous.

    We do not see the death of our loved ones in a war as the death of martyrs and yet, there are parents whose pain is elevated to a greater adoration of their God because of the death of a loved one. I wonder how the children view the death of their father or mother when they have acted as martyrs...I wonder how they view "the dark: powerful of body, peaceful of mind, innocent of history"...which brings to mind in our current war I cannot ever remember seeing any footage that included a barn - this is sheep and goat country but even there we never see footage on TV of herders and yet these people who birth martyrs eat meat.

    War is confusing - on a human level I can see through my eyes of what I think is right and wrong and what I see as worthy of a life that each death is a love lost to a family. And yet, for peace to be the way of the land how do you wrap your mind around the knowledge that the passion for something for some is so important that death and the risk of death but more the acceptance of death is elevated. I am thinking back to the war when I was a child when our own passions ran high. We did not think of our soldiers as martyers but gold stars hung with pride in many a window.

    Makes me question if we really want peace or do we want calm with our values accepted. I do not know but every year at this time I receive so many cards talking of peace. I question the premise year after year and I still have not been able to come to a satisfying conclusion...

    hats
    December 11, 2006 - 08:50 am
    Hmmm. Barbara, I think we might differ on this topic. Ultimately, I think, we must come to a time where peace is possible and not the glories of death in war. This does not mean we don't appreciate those who have died in the wars past and present. We do hope that future generations will not need to sacrifice their lives.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 11, 2006 - 09:12 am
    I am just wondering Hats if that is foremost on the minds of many - when I remember the thirst for war with flags sprouting on every vehicle that went by and when I see the passion folks have for the issue they are fighting over - I just do not know -

    I just wonder if we are shooting ourselves in the foot the way we become so adamant about certain principles that when we support those views there is no peace...

    When I look at how we are trained to believe our way and especially our religion is the most important aspect of life that we would die for the right to practice our religion I wonder if that view is in the way of peace.

    I keep thinking what would I give up for peace and that is a difficult question for me. I can't help but wonder if the saying you can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time is saying any hope for peace is slim to none.

    Ah such is despair - but I look back over my life and it is difficult to remember a time when there was not war... and so I wonder what is it beyond wanting, praying and wishing for peace that we need to be thinking about that would make peace possible because what we are doing now is not working. Or is peace a lovely sentiment but no one is willing to make the changes needed for peace to become a priority.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 11, 2006 - 09:18 am
    I guess Shelley matches my mood today...

    Ozymandias.

    I MET a Traveler from an antique land,
    Who said, "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    "My name is OZYMANDIAS, King of Kings."
    Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair!
    No thing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that Colossal Wreck, boundless and bare,
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.

    MarjV
    December 11, 2006 - 10:14 am
    The Poetry and Comments have been just wonderful this month. Talking about Peace I remember this song......

    Let There Be Peace on Earth

    And then here is a web page about the woman who wrote the song.

    Jill J Miller

    Scrawler
    December 11, 2006 - 11:55 am
    Passing by, he could be anybody:
    A thief, a tradesman, a doctor
    On his way to a worried house.
    But when he stops at your gate,
    Under the room where you lie half-asleep,
    You know it is not just anyone -
    It is the Night Traveler.

    You lean your arms on the sill
    And stare down. But all you can see
    Are bits of wilderness attached to him -
    Twigs, loam and leaves,
    Vines and blossoms. Among these
    You feel his eyes, and his hands
    Lifting something in the air.

    He has a gift for you, but it has no name.
    It is windy and woolly.
    He holds it in the moonlight, and it sings
    Like a newborn beast,
    Like a child at Christmas,
    Like your own heart as it tumbles
    In love's green bed.
    You take it, and he is gone.

    All night - and all your life, if you are willing -
    It will nuzzle your face, cold-nosed,
    Like a small white wolf;
    It will curl in your palm
    Like a hard blue stone;
    It will liquefy into a cold pool
    Which, when you dive into it,
    Will hold you like a mossy jaw.
    A bath of light. An answer.

    ~ "Twelve Moons" Mary Oliver

    I like to think she is talking about "hope" - a bath of light - an answer!

    As far as war is concerned - yes, it is hard, but to me the aftermath of war - the occupation of a country and the return of veterans to their native lands is what is very difficult. The scars take a long time to heal and sometimes they never do. I used to say that although my husband died in 1995 he had already died when he was in Vietnam. I sent a boy out in the 1960s full of the passion and hunger for war and he returned a man who never was able to find his way again except through his paintings.

    Alliemae
    December 11, 2006 - 01:01 pm
    "When I look at how we are trained to believe our way and especially our religion is the most important aspect of life that we would die for the right to practice our religion I wonder if that view is in the way of peace." (Barbara)

    It seems that when our 'enemies' feel this way and act out of it, it's Jihad...but when we feel this way and act out of it, it's Patriotism.

    And the thought kept popping into my head..."Looks like, in this world, one side's 'victim' is another's 'collateral damage'...

    I even began to wonder what we were on the verge of the American Revolustion...were we Patriots?...Radical Fringe?...Insurgents???

    Makes one think...

    Alliemae
    December 11, 2006 - 01:13 pm
    I think where we go wrong sometimes is expecting too much of ourselves and others to begin with.

    Loving one another is not always possible, at least for me it's not.

    Being a constantly and consistently peaceful person is also not so possible for me. There are times when I bicker with myself!!!

    I've been thinking lately that what we might be able to start with 'civility' and then 'good manners'...and then go for the bigger stuff like 'liking' and 'loving'...does this make sense to anyone but me?

    Alliemae
    December 11, 2006 - 01:35 pm
    Thank you Marge for posting these two links. You've cleared away a lot of the rubble in my life that had been covering what I had known for years to be my truth.

    I'm a singer. I love music and harmony and this used to kind of be my 'trademark' song...this and 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother'...

    I haven't done much singing in the past couple of years...don't know why...some spark got real dim inside of me. I remember the first time I heard this song again by Vince Gill and his daughter Jenny (I think that's her name) and the first time I heard it I cried and cried. I had not only lost my passion but my purpose (well, however inverted it would seem to follow, wouldn't it?). Thanks again, Marj

    hats
    December 12, 2006 - 06:37 am
    Winter Ride by Amy Lowell


    Who shall declare the joy of the running!
    Who shall tell of the pleasures of flight!
    Springing and spurning the tufts of wild heather,
    Sweeping, wide-winged, through the blue dome of light.
    Everything mortal has moments immortal,
    Swift and God-gifted, immeasurably bright.
    So with the stretch of the white road before me,
    Shining snowcrystals rainbowed by the sun,
    Fields that are white, stained with long, cool, blue shadows,
    Strong with the strength of my horse as we run.
    Joy in the touch of the wind and the sunlight!
    Joy! With the vigorous earth I am one.


    All seasons offer a certain beauty for each one of us. Even winter, with its icy coldness, offers some kind of beauty that touches us. I like the "rainbowed snowcrystals" described here. It's hard for me to get use to bare trees. Some people say that naked trees have a particular beauty too.

    Scrawler
    December 12, 2006 - 10:29 am
    Sunny, still and cold:

    Found, on the gravel road I walked this morning,
    one beer can, part full of frozen tobacco juice
    that when I shook it came apart like chunks of amber,
    and a quarter-sized piece from a fluted china plate,
    with a soft pink rose the size of a pencil eraser
    and a curl of flying, pale blue ribbon. In a nearby tree,
    five noisy crows who had seen me stooping there
    were busy creating a plausible story.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    I can't say that here in Hillsboro, Oregon it is cold and sunny. On the contrary it is wet and raining. But I know what he means about what you can find on a walk on a winter's day. If you look closely there are so many interesting treasures, if only we take the time to look. And I like the "five noisy crows - who are busy creating a plausible story".

    I never thought before how nature looks at US - maybe its the same way my Cat looks at me or at least that's what it seems to me when she stares intently at what I'm doing and swishes her tail back and forth as if she's busy creating a plausible story for what I'm doing. Usually she just shakes her head and walks away with her tail in a question mark!

    annafair
    December 12, 2006 - 06:45 pm
    To each of you I havent been much of a leader and each of you has shared some of the most beautiful, thoughtful and meaningful poems and the thoughts you have shared are equal to the poems ...Some poems are new to me and some I remember from the past and the song Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me..too bad that isnt everyone;s thinking Once I believed peace was possible but have come to the conclusion that man has never been peaceful Sometimes I think God should never have given us free will because even in the Garden of Eden we chose the wrong path...I guess HE hoped we would choose the right way ..I was born after WWI was over but was still affected by "The War that would end all Wars" My uncle Tommy was gassed in the war and lived, if you can call it living in a VA hospital until the effects took him from us. My grandmother lived with us for several years and each Memorial day and Armistice day the flag from his funeral hung on our front porch It was huge and made of wool and moths had eaten holes in it .. I used to think somehow they were bullet holes. Once I went with my father to visit his brother and I remember until then I had never really seen someone who looked like a living death..And when I was 13 Dec 7 1941 arrived and from that day to this I dont really feel life was peaceful it seemed we were in more wars than peace.

    There is no peace on earth I said for hate is strong and mocks the song of peace on earth and good will toward men. I memorized all the words to that poem and that part has always stuck in my mind because it seems to say what is true.

    My friend is doing very well and will be home on the 20th I am turning my den into a bedroom for him since he will still have about 2-3 months to be able to walk without any help. He has done remarkably well and it hasnt been easy for the knees give him great pain when he walks but each day he is getting better He said to me today he had never realized how important our hands are ...they had become weak since he had been rather immobilized because of his knees So he has something that looks like play dough that he is encouraged to use to gain strength in his hands As he needs them to help him to get up on his feet and hold on to the walker. It is interesting how much we take for granted

    I am posting a poem of mine It is a happy poem I think and one I wrote comtemplating the coming of winter and what I needed to get through those dark days And I think how different winter was when I was a little girl, how different when I was a bride and then how different it was when our children arrived and now how different and dark it seems when so many I have loved are no longer her and my children though near and we are close still when winter comes I feel alone now and decided I neede all the things mentioned in my poem, God Bless each of you , ever , anna

    Before winter comes and locks the land
    Imprisons with an ice tipped hand
    I must gather, set aside and store
    Supplies needed to take me through


    Boxes of clouds from a summer day,
    Sunrise and sunset at the shore.
    A shell to hold against my ear
    To hear the sea, feel the sand warm
    From day long shining sun.


    Baskets of smells. Earth fresh from
    A warm spring shower.
    Damask roses intoxicating scent,
    Carnation’s fragrance, hyacinths,
    Heady aroma of new mown grass,
    All to envelope me in winters dark


    Bushels of sounds. The robin's song,
    Flutter of wings across the sky.
    Buzz of bees hovering, sipping
    Drinking nectar from the lily's cup.


    Trunks of things you do not see
    When winter closes in.
    A spiders web of lacy lightness
    Silver sparkled in morning dew.
    Fireflies transmitting messages after dusk
    Moonflowers, ghostly flowers of the vine
    All the smells and sounds and sights
    Stored in my mind. My talismans
    Against the somber dark of winter nights.


    anna alexander
    10/27/96
    all rights reserved

    Alliemae
    December 12, 2006 - 08:27 pm
    In a nearby tree,
    five noisy crows who had seen me stooping there
    were busy creating a plausible story.

    These lines just reminded me that I miss Ted Kooser!

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    December 12, 2006 - 08:34 pm
    Joy...exuberance...just the thing for a winter ride...(and then, returning into the warm with cheeks rosier than red mittens!) Such a happy poem!

    Thank you, Hats

    Alliemae

    Alliemae
    December 12, 2006 - 08:43 pm
    "Boxes of clouds from a summer day,
    Sunrise and sunset at the shore.
    A shell to hold against my ear
    To hear the sea, feel the sand warm
    From day long shining sun.

    Baskets of smells. Earth fresh from
    A warm spring shower.
    Damask roses intoxicating scent,
    Carnation’s fragrance, hyacinths,
    Heady aroma of new mown grass,
    All to envelope me in winters dark

    Every year I decide I'm going to really get ready for winter, but it always means having enough stores in so I don't have to shop, getting the apartment ready to regulate heat and fresh air, etc--but now, reading your poem--I have found what was missing!

    I need to first fill up boxes of those important things you mention. I think I found this one of my favorite of your poems that you have posted here since I joined the group.

    Alliemae

    Scrawler
    December 13, 2006 - 09:47 am
    Clear and at the freezing point.

    just as a dancer, turning and turning,
    may fill the dusty light with the soft swirl
    of her flying skirts, our weeping willow...
    now old and broken, creaking in the breeze...
    turns slowly, slowly in the winter sun,
    sweeping the rusty roof of the barn
    with the pale blue lacework of her shadow.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    Can't you see the "pale blue lacework of her shadow" on the "rusty roof of the barn"? I can see the same shadows outside my own window, but the shadows are of the oak trees that line the avenue. In the darkness they seem like so many "old, skinny, shriveled, haunted arms"- ghosts - trying to come in to my warm apartment.

    Anna great poem. I think before we can have peace throughout the world - we must first find peace within ourselves. Peace is there - but like a fine wine it must be cultivated slowly.

    annafair
    December 13, 2006 - 11:41 am
    Everything he writes gives me a picture and I can see what he is writing about..His Winter Morning Walks is so full of real beauty and thoughts I have given that book away to two people ..and I think there are a few others I want to share it with..Again I bring you one of mine ...it is easy to do since they are on cd's and disks most were written some time ago as the date indicates but still they meant something to me and I hope you enjoy them as well.. anna

    Peeking over the shuttered half
    of my window sill
    a watercoloured sky
    announces the start of day ...
    a wash of palest grey,
    and below a tint of sun ,
    a warmed glow..
    the trees still dark
    in bare winter dress ,
    etch a vagrant laced pattern
    against the still morning light.
    the only movement,
    an early squirrel
    and I await
    the day


    anna alexander 2/6/2001 ©

    Alliemae
    December 13, 2006 - 02:27 pm
    Ahhhh...another reminder on 'just noticing'...

    When I was a little girl I used to make up whole stories and movies and ballets based on the shadows coming into my sister's and my bedroom window...I miss that.

    Thanks, Scrawler for reminding me to 'just notice' shadows once again!

    Alliemae

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 13, 2006 - 11:41 pm
    been packing and taking care of battening down the hatches around here - I leave in the morning for my daughter's in the mountains of North Carolina - about an 18 hour drive with a very heavy foot - see y'all in a few days after I rest up and settle in...

    Scrawler
    December 14, 2006 - 10:30 am
    Home from my walk, shoes off, at peace.

    The weight of my old dog, Hattie--thirty-five pounds
    of knocking bones, signs, tremors and dreams--
    just isn't enough to hold a patch of sun in its place,
    at least for very long. While she shakes in her sleep,
    it slips from beneath her and inches away,
    taking the morning with it--the music from the radio,
    the tea from my cup, the drowsy yellow hours--
    picking up dust and dog hair as it goes.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks": Ted Kooser

    This reminds me of my old cat sleeping on the rug. She tries to move with the sun, but unfortuantely the sun "slips from beneath her and inches away" and it does seem like as the sun goes it does it in time to the music and that you can see the dust and in my case cat hair as it goes.

    hats
    December 14, 2006 - 10:36 am
    december 14:

    Home from my walk, shoes off, at peace.

    Scrawler, I like this one. It reminds me of my cat too.

    it slips from beneath her and inches away,
    taking the morning with it


    Those are my favorite lines. I enjoyed Ted Kooser so much. I hope his health continues to improve.

    hats
    December 14, 2006 - 11:27 am
    Dust of Snow
    by Robert Frost (1923)


    The way a crow
    Shook down on me
    The dust of snow
    From a hemlock tree


    Has given my heart
    A change of mood
    And saved some part
    Of a day I had rued.


    Nature, the beauty of nature, can make people feel so much better. My neighbor likes to feed the birds. Every morning there are about four cardinals outside of the window. Their beauty and playfulness in this cold weather just makes me feel happy.

    hats
    December 15, 2006 - 01:18 am
    Thank you for your poem. It made me look at the winter trees in a new way. The winter trees do seem like a lace pattern. I also love the way you portray the sky as watercolor. These are my favorite lines. It's hard to pick.

    the trees still dark
    in bare winter dress ,
    etch a vagrant laced pattern
    against the still morning light.

    Scrawler
    December 15, 2006 - 12:02 pm
    Clear and thirty-four at 6 a.m.:

    An old moon, lying akilter
    among a few pale stars,
    and so quiet on the road
    I can hear every bone in my body
    hefting some part of me
    over its shoulder. Behind me,
    my shadow stifles a cough
    as it tries to keep up,
    for I have set out fast and hard
    against this silence,
    filling my lungs with hope
    on this, my granddaughter's
    birthday, her first, and the day
    of my quarterly cancer tests.

    "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    I think this is a wonderful poem - a poem of hope for the future as you live in the present.

    Last night we had a terrible storm here in Hillsboro, Oregon with wind gusts of over 60 mile an hour. The oak trees that I described just recently were shaking their skinny branches and desperately trying to get in to my apartment. I thought I was in the middle of a old-fashioned horror flick with my lights blinking on and off and the sound of the thrashing storm outside. This morning when I went out I had an obstacle course to manuver around oak branches laying on the street. And now its as if nothing had happened - it is clear, sunny and the temperature is dropping very fast - they expect snow tomorrow.

    JoanK
    December 16, 2006 - 07:14 am
    ANNE: I heard about the storm on TV, and worried about you. I'm glad you're alright.

    Scrawler
    December 16, 2006 - 09:30 am
    A farmhouse window far back from the highway
    speaks to the darkness in a small, sure voice.
    Against this stillness, only a kettle's whisper,
    and against the starry cold, one small blue ring of flame.

    "Delights & Shadows" ~ Ted Kooser

    Thanks Joan for your concern. I'm fine although very cold! - 28 degrees and dropping - Burrr!

    I like this little poem - such imagery from such simple things!

    Alliemae
    December 16, 2006 - 09:50 am
    I can feel that dust of snow and I can even feel the cool, crisp air that would make the snow 'dusty'...and I feel more light-hearted just reading those few lines...very lovely poem, Hats. Thank you...

    Alliemae
    December 16, 2006 - 10:06 am
    Snowfall
    Margaret Hillert

    Someone in the sky last night
    Had an awful pillow fight,
    And when I woke today I found
    All the feathers on the ground.

    A Winter Surprise
    Solveig Paulson Russell

    Last night while I was sleeping
    The snow came softly down
    And slipped on all the shrubbery
    A shining snowflake gown.

    I guess that every little bush
    Felt startled with surprise,
    To find itself a cotton plant
    On opening up its eyes.

    There was nothing but the URL which might give a clue. Snow Poems Heartland

    hats
    December 16, 2006 - 12:06 pm
    Alliemae, I love Snowfall. A snow blizzard does seem like a "pillow fight." What a nice link too. Thank you. Aren't the snowflakes beautiful? Each one a different design, amazing.

    Snowfall
    Margaret Hillert


    Someone in the sky last night
    Had an awful pillow fight,
    And when I woke today I found
    All the feathers on the ground.

    Alliemae
    December 17, 2006 - 09:50 am
    Just as christmas is about the birth of a very special baby, babies always remind me of Christmas--and all babies are special.

    I think I would always love Christmas no matter what my beliefs. The purity and unconditional, all-encompassing love evoked by any new born babe is what gives me hope that good is possible.

    This is a poem from a book called "A Child is Born" which is filled with famous works of art with poetry on some of the facing pages.

    "Thy smiles the calm of heaven bestow
    And soothe the bitterest sense of woe!
    As bees, that suck the honeyed stone
    From silvery dews, on blushing flower,
    So on thy cheek's more lovely bloom
    I scent the rose's quick perfume.
    Thine ivory extended arms,
    To hold the heart--what powerful charms!

    On Viewing Her Sleeping Infant by Mary Frances Cecilia Cowper 1726-97

    (Facing page: Le Berceau, Berthe Morisot)

    http://www.artchive.com/artchive/M/morisot.html#images

    (Of the first two pictures, it's the one on the left as you've probably already noticed.)

    Scrawler
    December 17, 2006 - 10:38 am
    Clear and twenty-four at sunrise:

    A cold wind out of the wes all night,
    Where our row of Norwegian pines
    lines the road, there were lots of joined pairs
    of needles this morning, blown over the grass
    and onto the shoulder, every pair
    an elongated V, coated with frost,
    and each pointing east southeast,
    where, sure enough, the sun was rising.

    "Winter Morning Walks" Ted Kooser

    Brrr! It's cold! 20 degrees and dropping fast - but like the poem the sun was rising and now its sunny but far from warm. Last night not only did I loose power, but it dropped down into the teens right in the middle of my hockey game. (grrrrrrrrrrr) My cat and I snuggled under the covers until about midnight when the TV and lights came back on.

    hats
    December 18, 2006 - 08:24 am
    Alliemae, thank you for the Berthe Morisot link. The baby in bassinet does fit the season.

    hats
    December 18, 2006 - 09:28 am
    Scrawler, I hope your power is back on.

    Scrawler
    December 18, 2006 - 10:00 am
    Gusty and forty at dawn.:

    Sunlight like honey this morning,
    and a stiff wind speading it smoothly
    over the bluestem. Two miles down wind
    from Hartmann's quarry, I hear the exuberant
    backing-up song of a dump truck,
    and directly above me, a red-tailed hawk
    responds with its lispy whistle.
    Burnt red seed-heads of buckbrush,
    green duckweed over the beaver pond,
    Todd Halle's red combine parked on a hilltop
    as if to show the sun the way...
    the eye contains the world, in a space
    no bigger than a baby's fist.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" Ted Kooser

    Yes, we have Power! But it is still cold - 28 this morning.I miss my beaver pond that I had over at the other apartment. But I do have some birds here that drop by the pool during the summer - not so much in the winter. They eye me the way birds can only do. I saw a Heron and a Stork one time - not together though and there are always lots of ducks and geese - all wondering why I'm on the ground and not in the air. I can imagine that they feel sorry for me.

    Scrawler
    December 19, 2006 - 07:57 am
    Cold, and snow in the air.

    The cedars in the roadside ditches
    are nearly black against the many grays
    of this winter morning, but unlike
    most things with darkness at their centers
    they don't turn an impenetrable shell
    to the light. Rather, like ink on wet paper,
    their dark limbs bleed into the light,
    reaching farther and farther
    into the whiteness of lightly falling snow.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    What imagery! And how gentle this poem is.

    Mallylee
    December 20, 2006 - 02:42 am
    Scrawler#534

    Ted Kooser's poem describes my chosen philosophic stance far more concisely than any philosophic text I have ever read. The poem is a keeper. Thanks. As you say in #345 What imagery! And the poem works because of the seductive imagery. The last two lines, the punch lines, make sense of and pull together all the images.

    Scrawler
    December 20, 2006 - 09:30 am
    Ten degrees at sunrise, light snow flying.

    The beaver's mound of brush and cornstalks
    stands at the edge of silence this morning,
    a pyramid on an untracked desert of snow
    with black, open water shining beyond it.
    Somewhere inside are the hidden mysteries:
    an old yellow-toothed paroah, wrapped up
    in bandages of sleep, and on his shallow breath,
    oily odor of tanbark and the priceless perfume
    of summer willow leaves.

    ~ "Winder Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    Yesterday I saw a remarkable thing. We took my cat to the vet and while we were driving we came upon an area that was covered in Snow. It was only a few blocks, but the whole area was covered. On the one side was a mall with snow capped roofs and sidewalks and on the other was an empty lot with snow covered grasses bent over by the weight of the snow. It was really a remarkable sight and than we turned the corner and it was gone; the rest of the way was gray and dark but not one speck of snow. I don't know how that could happen when one area has snow and another none and to make sure I wasn't imagining it we saw it again driving back.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 21, 2006 - 02:25 am
    from our most recent poet, Anna Akhmatova

    Voronezh
    For Osip Mandelshtam

    And the town is frozen solid in a vice,
    Trees, walls, snow, beneath the glass.
    Over crystal, on slippery tracks of ice,
    painted sleighs and I, together, pass.
    And over St Peter’s poplars, crows
    a pale green dome there that glows,
    dim in sun-shrouded dust.
    The field of heroes lingers in my thought,
    Kulikovo’s barbarian battleground caught.
    Frozen poplars, like glasses for a toast,
    clash now, more noisily, overhead.
    As though at our wedding, and the crowd
    drinking our health and happiness.
    But Fear and the Muse take turns to guard
    the room where the exiled poet is banished,
    and the night, marching at full pace,
    of approaching dawn, has no knowledge.

    hats
    December 21, 2006 - 03:09 am
    Barbara, I can feel the chilliness of the snow and glassy, slippery ice. I feel the exiled poet fears what will happen in the morning. The word "vice" makes me feel all in this city are caged in some world of terror. Anna Akhmatova knows how to make your senses wake up and feel every tingle of emotion.

    But Fear and the Muse take turns to guard
    the room where the exiled poet is banished,
    and the night, marching at full pace,
    of approaching dawn, has no knowledge.


    I think the use of "Fear and the Muse" together is very interesting. So far, I have read this poem more than three times and could very well read it again and again.

    hats
    December 21, 2006 - 03:27 am
    Scrawler, your seeing snow in one place and not in another place is interesting. I know this can happen with rain. On one side of our town it can rain. On the other side it doesn't rain. I have been on the phone with my son. It is raining at his place. It is not raining where I live.

    I have heard thunder during a snow storm.

    hats
    December 21, 2006 - 04:19 am
    Most women do a lot of quilting during the winter. I hope this poem can fit our theme for this month.

    The Quilting


    Dolly sits a-quilting by her mother,
    stitch by stitch,
    Gracious, how my pulses throb, how my
    fingers itch,
    While I note her dainty waist and her slender
    hand,
    As she matches this and that, she stitches
    strand by strand.
    And I long to tell her Life’s a quilt and I’m
    a patch;
    Love will do the stitching if she’ll only be my
    match.


    When my children were small, I quilted. My husband made a quilting frame. I spent many quiet moments at that frame during the evenings. Whenever there was a quilting show at the Hunter Museum in Chattanooga, we would go. The quilts were beautiful.

    I like the words in this poem, "Life's a quilt."

    Alliemae
    December 21, 2006 - 07:20 am
    Ahhhh...this is such a sweet poem...I love the last line

    "Love will do the stitching if she’ll only be my match."

    Last night I watched the movie "Emma" (Jane Austin's) so I was just in the mood for this poem this morning...

    Scrawler
    December 21, 2006 - 10:15 am
    Clear and five degrees.

    Perfectly still this solstice morning,
    in bone-cracking cold. Nothing moving,
    or so one might think, but as I walk the road,
    the wind held in the heart of every tree
    flows to the end of each twig and forms a bud.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    My daughter designs her own quilts on the computer. She has special paper for her printer that she uses to transfer her design from the computer to the paper and than puts the paper on the material she is going to use. It's very cool when its all complete.

    Happy Winter Solstice!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 21, 2006 - 11:18 am
    Ah quilting - for years I have been going to make a quilt and the time just never seems to work out for me - here where my daughter lives it would seem just the right thing to do in January after the rush of holidays after everything is packed away. Nothing is growing, the trees are bare and a quietness has settled over the land that must continue through the winter.

    Where I am it is crackle pop bang right after the holidays - since most of our trees are the live oak and magnolia they are green all year and only loose their leaves in March after the new leaves are in place. All sorts of winter flowers are in bloom with the only threat a 3 day norther that could bring ice or snow but seldom does so that when it does turn streets and fields white, kids who have never seen the likes are rushing out to play and the whole town shuts down since NO ONE local knows how to drive. The ones who do, risk life and limb since there will be a few locals who try to get to work and of course slip and slide into anything in their path.

    No quiet time for us in winter - our most quiet time is August during the high heat of summer when most gardens go dormant and it is just too hot to get out that much. That is when most sewing projects are tackled but it sure seems a different picture of quilting when it is a 105 in the shade.

    "my fingers itch, ...and her slender hand," may be describing her fingers and hand but remind me of a needle - I just love the feel of a fine needle in my hand - some quilting I use a long needle that is not as fine but on lawns and batiste a fine needle is such a pleasant feel.

    oh Scrawler "Clear and five degrees." is such a wonderful poem - I read it and read it trying to decide if I had a favorite line or word and I loved the whole thing that I could not choose what line in the poem affected me more than the others. Maybe "the wind held in the heart of every tree"

    I've been looking at trees differently - I think they are a metaphor to each of our lives - I see the basic character of a tree when it is a one or two year old sapling and then till it reaches maturity all the while growing and spreading with each renewed display of leaves grabbing up the sunlight each tree weathering storms and droughts the shape of the tree identifies if it leans or main branches are gone or its spread is wider than its height or if it sheltered other small trees and to realize that the mature tree is not just the affects of nature but at its heart it has a wind - I like that - as if the wind that whistles and blows limbs as well as leaves is like a chorus of trees telling us to look at the wonder we have within.

    What wonderful poetry we have been reading - thanks for sharing that one Scrawler...

    Scrawler
    December 22, 2006 - 08:44 am
    Five below zero.

    The cold finds its way through the wall
    by riding nails, common ten-penny nails
    through a wall so packed with insulation
    it wouldn't admit a single quarter-note
    from the wind's soprano solo. Yet you can touch
    this solid wall and feel the icy spots
    where the nails have carried the outside
    almost into the house, nickel-sized spots
    like the frosty tips of fingers, groping,
    and you can imagine the face
    of the cold, all wreathed in flying hair
    its long fingers spread, it thin blue lips
    presed into the indifferent ear
    of the siding, whispering something
    not one of us inside can hear.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    Oh! Yes, trees are the symbol of life. Every morning I watch as the oaks across the way seem to come to life to me. Now they are so many skinny arms blowing in the wind - they remind me of old women going to the market with their heads bowed talking and laughing with each other. I like this poem too. Such imagery - I never thought about the cold coming in through the nails!

    annafair
    December 22, 2006 - 09:05 am
    Each poem was a jewel precious in its own way ,....I love the Ted Kooser poems Winter Morning Walks they are just brief enough for a quick read and wonderful enough you never want to forget what he said,

    My friend is home and chaos reigns....my den is now a bedroom and thank goodness it is 24x12 because it is full with the necessities for a bedroom and a wheel chair, walker, a special chair, Cupboards under my bookcases have been emptied for clothes etc.. I cant believe they were full of magazines some from 1973!

    There were 21 poems to read this morning and each one fed my soul...thank you ..again I turn to one of my own as we have two people coming this afternoon and I have 3 more prescriptions to pick up I had 12 from the hospital in the beginning and had to go to two places to obtain all and then the doctor called in 3 more. my days are starting at 6am and hopefully I can go to bed by 10 The first night John fell when trying to walk to the kitchen with his walker...he slipped on one of the dogs toys..he was okay but it took some time to get up and back on the bed. He was going to fry and egg LAst night I said if you get a urge to have an egg at midnight DO ME A FAVOR ASK ME...it takes less time to fry and egg than to help you back to bed etc....We are so blessed with family, friends and neighbors who have just pitched in and worked like beavers Scrawler ( and I too worried about when I read about the snow in your area..glad you have power now at least)

    I am blessed to have you poetry lovers who make this place so special thank you from my heart.. Here is the poem I wrote a couple years ago about Christmas .. ;love , anna

    Home for Christmas


    The stairs are quiet beneath my feet
    No sound except my breathing
    It is Christmas morning
    The sun is not a rosy ray
    But a muddied yellow streaked with gray
    A winter morn. I could feel the warmth
    From the furnace’s fire flow up
    From black grilled furnace grates
    I knew my mother was in the kitchen
    The fragrance of cinnamon seeps
    From beneath the closed door
    The Christmas tree is lit , the gifts are there
    Santa had not forgotten , my breath was one of relief
    My mother stands in the arched entrance
    To the living room and says
    Anna Mae go tell your brothers
    It is Christmas day and Santa has been here


    I hear my children, their children’s sweet young voices
    Dinner is over , full of turkey and dressing , potatoes and yams
    Ruby cranberry sauce, green beans and ham
    Pumpkin pie with whipped cream
    They now await the opening of the packages
    Beribboned, wrapped , color coordinated
    Piled beneath the tree,. I am quiet and their voices
    Say Mom? Nana ? Are you okay ?
    I smile and say ,I am fine let’s get on with the day’
    But in my mind I am like them going home for Christmas Day.


    Anna Alexander 12/16/04©

    annafair
    December 23, 2006 - 03:30 am
    This is a song poem and each Christmas since it came out I have remembered it for many reasons. My three older brothers served the whole of WWII somewhere overseas and later my two younger brothers served in Vietnam and my husband served in Korea, Vietnam and a number of places over his 30 year career since he was a pilot. In fact I lived with him in Europe for four years when the COLD WAR was HOT and twice while we were there he wasn't with our daughter and I for Christmas Our whole family lived on Okinawa and when he retired his records showed he had spent 13 years of his career overseas. Some of that I was with him but many years the children and I spent Christmas etc with Dad somewhere other than where we were. I am sure most of you have similar memories and felt at a time when we still have military families separated by war it was appropriate to post these lyrics. There is also an interesting link you might want to read.

    http://www.collegenews.org/x2968.xml

    I'll Be Home For Christmas"


    I'm dreamin' tonight of a place I love
    Even more then I usually do
    And although I know it's a long road back
    I promise you


    I'll be home for Christmas
    You can count on me
    Please have snow and mistletoe
    And presents under the tree
    Christmas Eve will find me
    Where the love light beams
    I'll be home for Christmas
    If only in my dreams


    Christmas Eve will find me
    Where the love light beams>br> I'll be home for Christmas
    If only in my dreams
    If only in my dreams

    Scrawler
    December 23, 2006 - 09:45 am
    Cold.

    As if to spare the birds at the feeder
    any more competition that they already have,
    a snowflake drops right past the perches
    crowded with finches, nuthatches, sparrows,
    and without even thinking to open its wings
    settles quietly onto the ground.



    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    Anna loved the poems. I know what you said about your friend. I had to literally sit on my husband to try and stop him from getting out of bed on his own. I finally had to sleep in a chair next to his bed and sometimes this didn't do any good either because I was so tired I'd fall asleep and than I'd hear him in another room and run to see what happened. I was on pins and needles most of the time. We finally had to put him in a nursing room where he died shortly there after. But tell your friend that there will be plenty of time for him to get up on his own, but it takes time and patience. Peace to you both.

    I just love the imagery in this poem: "snowflakes" dropping right past the perches etal. How wonderful!

    Scrawler
    December 24, 2006 - 08:33 am
    Well below freezing and still.

    All night I heard tapping,
    like a teacher at a blackboard:
    a bad bearing, I guessed,
    in the furnace fan.
    But early this morning,
    passing the kitchen window,
    I discovered the fancy
    football plays of frost
    chalked onto the cold black glass.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" Ted Kooser

    I discovered frost playing "football" on my car this morning. When you look closely they do remind me of football plays that coaches chalk on a board for the players to see how they are supposed to run the various plays.

    MarjV
    December 24, 2006 - 09:21 am
    Hope you all have a wonder-filled, wonderful Christmas celebrating just how is best for you.

    Have loved the poems this month. And the comments

    ~Marj

    Alliemae
    December 24, 2006 - 06:43 pm
    May you all have a Blessed Christmas and a Happy, Healthy, Peaceful and Prosperous New Year!

    Looking forward to Maya Angelou in January, 2007...see you all next year!!

    Hugs, Allie

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 24, 2006 - 07:02 pm
    Christmas at Fezziwig's Warehouse - A Christmas story

    I'Yo Ho! my boys," said Fezziwig. "No more work to-night! Christmas Eve, Dick! Christmas, Ebenezer! Let's have the shutters up!" cried old Fezziwig with a sharp clap of his hands, "before a man can say Jack Robinson. . . ."

    "Hilli-ho!" cried old Fezziwig, skipping down from the high desk with wonderful agility. "Clear away, my lads, and let's have lots of room here! Hilli-ho, Dick! Cheer-up, Ebenezer!"

    Clear away! There was nothing they wouldn't have cleared away, or couldn't have cleared away with old Fezziwig looking on. It was done in a minute. Every movable was packed off, as if it were dismissed from public life forevermore; the floor was swept and watered, the lamps were trimmed, fuel was heaped upon the fire; and the warehouse was as snug, and warm, and dry, and bright a ballroom as you would desire to see on a winter's night.

    In came a fiddler with a music book, and went up to the lofty desk and made an orchestra of it and tuned like fifty stomach aches. In came Mrs. Fezziwig, one vast substantial smile. In came the three Misses Fezziwig, beaming and lovable. In came the six followers whose hearts they broke. In came all the young men and women employed in the business. In came the housemaid with her cousin the baker. In came the cook with her brother's particular friend the milkman. In came the boy from over the way, who was suspected of not having board enough from his master, trying to hide himself behind the girl from next door but one who was proved to have had her ears pulled by her mistress; in they all came, any-how and every-how. Away they all went, twenty couple at once; hands half round and back again the other way; down the middle and up again; round and round in various stages of affectionate grouping, old top couple always turning up in the wrong place; new top couple starting off again, as soon as they got there; all top couples at last, and not a bottom one to help them.

    When this result was brought about the fiddler struck up "Sir Roger de Coverley." Then old Fezziwig stood out to dance with Mrs. Fezziwig. Top couple, too, with a good stiff piece of work cut out for them; three or four and twenty pairs of partners; people who were not to be trifled with; people who would dance and had no notion of walking.

    But if they had been thrice as many, oh, four times as many, old Fezziwig would have been a match for them, and so would Mrs. Fezziwig. As to her, she was worthy to be his partner in every sense of the term. If that's not high praise, tell me higher and I'll use it. A positive light appeared to issue from Fezziwig's calves. They shone in every part of the dance like moons. You couldn't have predicted at any given time what would become of them next. And when old Fezziwig and Mrs. Fezziwig had gone all through the dance, advance and retire; both hands to your partner, bow and courtesy, corkscrew, thread the needle, and back again to your place; Fezziwig cut so deftly that he appeared to wink with his legs, and came upon his feet again with a stagger.

    When the clock struck eleven the domestic ball broke up. Mr. and Mrs. Fezziwig took their stations, one on either side of the door, and shaking hands with every person individually, as he or she went out, wished him or her a Merry Christmas!.

    Wishing y'all a Joyeux Noel -

    annafair
    December 24, 2006 - 08:42 pm
    GOD BLESS YOU ONE AND ALL ......FOR CHRISTMAS DAY IS NEAR MAY IT BE A HAPPY ONE FOR ALL THAT YOU HOLD DEAR MAY YOU HAVE GOOD MEMORIES OF CHRISTMAS IN THE PAST AND MAY THIS ONE BE THE SAME AMD LAST AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND MAY THE NEW YEAR BE A BETTER ONE MY WISH FOR ALL WHO COME IN HERE

    LOVE , ANNA

    Scrawler
    December 25, 2006 - 07:48 am
    Sunny and clear.

    Sometimes, when things are going well,
    the daredevil squirrel of worry,
    suddenly leaps from the back of my head
    to the feeder, swings by his paws
    and clambers up, twitching his question mark tail.
    And though I try the recommended baffles...
    tin cone of meditation, greased pipe
    of positive thought---every sunflower seed
    in this life is his if he wants it.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser



    Interesting analogy but how true the words.

    MarjV
    December 25, 2006 - 03:32 pm
    What a wonderful reflection on worry by Kooser. My, isn't that true. Smiled at the metaphor of the squirrel. I shall think of that as I watch my squirrels hanging on the birdfeeder trying to get at the seeds. Sometimes worry just stays til it is done.

    Jim in Jeff
    December 25, 2006 - 07:09 pm
    Wonderful posts here this month, forum friends! A great "read" for me/us! Tonight, instead of responding to all your posts I want to ask if anyone here can help me track down ANY info on a St Louis-area poet I briefly knew in my pre-teen years.

    I would love ANY info on St Louis-area poet C. Victor Stahl, active at least 1916-1948. I'd especially love to contact his descendants (if any). Here's MY past experience and info on him:

    In WW II years my mother moved to St Louis to be a Rosie-the-Riveter. She rented one room (3rd-floor walkup) in a rooming house...1942 thru early 1950s. She'd do her laundry in a "common area" in basement. Living (for free I think) in corner of that basement was an old man, Mr Stahl, and his umpteen cats. My mother would talk (Christian talk) with him, time to time. So one day in 1948 he up and gave her a published booklet of 33 poems and 11 prose-lectures by him. He told her that he hoped the booklet's title poem, "Ode on the Atomic Bomb," would one day be taught in college courses...much like his fellow St Louis poet TS Elliot's "Waste Land."

    Well...my Mother soon moved into an apartment...and we never heard more about "old Mr Stahl" living in the basement. I suspect that he died without known kin and was buried/cremated by the city. I've searched several poetry databases for his name without success.

    His booklet SAYS copyright 1948, Ajax Publishing Company, St Lous, MO (no ISBN). Intro page says author (Stahl) also authored "Zorabella, A Greek Tragedy"; "Striking of the Titanic and other poems"; and was past editor-founder of "The AJAX Machine" magazine (established 1916 in defense of the Classic Literary Movement). This "Ode on the Atomic Bomb and other poems" claims a 1948 copyright.

    After all this intro-info to my query about C. Victor Stahl, I'll not belabor you forum friends with lots of his poems. However, here is a short one, his dedication/intro poem to open my booklet:

    "My Sphere"

    I know that I, in my little circling sphere,
    ....Can move the world but small.
    Perchance I may speak better if I say
    ....I move the world at all.
    My dull, faint blows upon its anvil iron rebound
    And when I look thereon, impression is not found.

    But like the waves that beat upon the strand,
    ....So shall my strokes be lent--
    A crack--a niche--in time the rock-bound shore
    ....Yields to their battlement.
    So shall I blaze away, so shall I strike each blow
    With fervent faith and prayer and hope that all may know.

    Some little deed, some word upon the tongue
    ....May joy to others give.
    Some chanceful thought may hurl dynamic power
    ....That other souls may live.
    O God! Why should I grieve my sphere's so seeming small,
    When there's for me no earthly bound prescribed at all.

    And here I am, 58 years later, reading the thoughts of an obviously educated old man who likely died badly, a pauper in basement of a rooming house in St Louis shortly after 1948. His voice...doesn't seem out there on I-net today. Finding his descendants hasn't been successful for me either.

    If I've intrigued anyone here, you might opt to read his rather long "Ode on the Atomic Bomb" (written after A-bomb but before H-bomb, so is now a bit dated). But seems to me an honest 1948 lament on A-bomb. http://home.thirdage.com/Reading/jimva/stahl1.htm

    Scrawler
    December 26, 2006 - 09:05 am
    Clear and cold.

    A little snap at one side of the room,
    and an answering snap at the other;
    Stiff from the cold and idleness, the old house
    is cracking its knuckles. Then the great yawn
    of the furnance. Even the lampshade is drowsy,
    its belly full of a warm yellow light.

    Out under the moon, though, there is at least
    one wish against this winter sleep: A road
    leads into the new year, deliberate as a bride
    in her sparkling white dress of new snow.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" Ted Kooser

    I love the personas he gives to the "old house". Sometimes I listen at night when I can't sleep and it does seem that my apartment is talking to itself with all its creaks and groans - like two old ladies talking in the night. And than I also like the analogy of the new year as a bride in her "sparkling white dress of new snow".

    Jeff I don't know if this will help, but you might try the publisher of Mr. Stahl's book. They probably don't have a data base, but I think they might have information on the various authors in their files. I know with my book that my information will be retained for 50 years after my death, but I have no idea when that practice started.

    Scrawler
    December 27, 2006 - 09:06 am
    Twenty degrees.

    For the past two years there's been
    a white chenille bedspread
    caught up in a barbed wire fence
    along the road to the quarry.
    For a while it looked like a man
    who had fallen asleep on a sofa,
    sad bachelor uncle of a man
    the soft ball of his bald head fallen
    long thin arms stretched out
    along the back and trembling.
    But today that was gone, torn away
    by the wind, and there was no one
    but me on the road. My heart
    flapped like a rag in my ears.

    "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    This poem seems very sad ~ "...and there was no one but me on the road. My heart flapped like a rag in my ears".

    Mallylee
    December 28, 2006 - 08:18 am
    Scrawler#558 Was Ted Kooser a lonely bachelor?

    Scrawler
    December 28, 2006 - 08:21 am
    Windy and at the freezing point.

    There are days when the world
    has a hard time keeping its clouds on,
    and its grass in place, and this
    is one of them, tumbleweeds
    huddled up under the skirts
    of cedars, oak trees
    joining hands in the windy grove.
    Even the dawn light, blocky
    with pink and yellow and blue
    like a comics section, quickly
    fluttered away, leaving a Sunday
    the color of news.

    "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    I know what the poet means. We had some nice gentle rain at the beginning of the week and it warmed up, but now it has dropped down to 27 degrees. It was an ordeal just to get to my mailbox with winds blowing all around and than when I got there all I had was junk mail!

    Scrawler
    December 28, 2006 - 08:37 am
    "Born in Ames, Iowa, in 1939 Kooser earned a BS at Iowa State University in 1962 and the MA at the University of Nebraska in 1968. He is the author of ten collections of poetry. He is former vice-president of Lincoln Benefit Life, an insurance company, and lives on an acreage near the village of Garland, Nebraska. He teaches as a Visiting Professor in the English department of the University of Nebraska. He is married to Kathleen Rutledge, editor of the Lincoln Journal Star.

    Quotes:

    "Every stranger's tolerance for poetry is compromised by much more important demands on his or her time. Therefore, I try to honor my reader's patience and generosity by presenting what I have to say as clearly and succinctly as possible...Also, I try not to insult the reader's good sense by talking down; I don't see anything to gain by alluding to intellectual experiences that the reader may not have had. I do what I can to avoid being rude or offensive; most strangers, understandably, have a very low tolerance for displays of pique or anger or hysteria. Being harangued by a poet rarely endears a reader. I am also extremely wary of over cleverness; there is a definite limit to how much intellectual showing off a stranger can tolerate." ~ "Midwest Quarterly", 1999.

    I would like to show average people, with a high school education or just a couple years of college, that they can understand poems. They are not to be afraid or felt they are being tricked by them. I'm trying to do that by example." ~ Wikipedia

    I think he has accomplished what he set out to do and much, much more!

    Alliemae
    December 28, 2006 - 09:09 pm
    ...I liked the progession of the moods in this poem, and his usage of words...and somewhere, in the deep recesses of my mind, I think I can remember my dad repeating the 'bells, bells, bells, bells, bells, bells, bells...' part!!

    "The Bells

    Poem lyrics of The Bells by Edgar Allan Poe.

    Hear the sledges with the bells
    Silver bells!
    What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
    How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
    In the icy air of night!
    While the stars that oversprinkle
    All the heavens, seem to twinkle
    With a crystalline delight;
    Keeping time, time, time,
    In a sort of Runic rhyme,
    To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
    From the bells, bells, bells, bells,
    Bells, bells, bells
    From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.

    Hear the mellow wedding bells,
    Golden bells!
    What a world of happiness their harmony foretells!
    Through the balmy air of night
    How they ring out their delight!
    From the molten-golden notes,
    And an in tune,
    What a liquid ditty floats
    To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats
    On the moon!
    Oh, from out the sounding cells,
    What a gush of euphony voluminously wells!
    How it swells!
    How it dwells>BR> On the Future! how it tells
    Of the rapture that impels
    To the swinging and the ringing
    Of the bells, bells, bells,
    Of the bells, bells, bells,bells,
    Bells, bells, bells
    To the rhyming and the chiming of the bells!

    Hear the loud alarm bells
    Brazen bells!
    What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
    In the startled ear of night
    How they scream out their affright!
    Too much horrified to speak,
    They can only shriek, shriek,
    Out of tune,
    In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
    In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
    Leaping higher, higher, higher,
    With a desperate desire,
    And a resolute endeavor,
    Now - now to sit or never,
    By the side of the pale-faced moon.

    Oh, the bells, bells, bells!,BR. What a tale their terror tells
    Of Despair!
    How they clang, and clash, and roar!
    What a horror they outpour
    On the bosom of the palpitating air!
    Yet the ear it fully knows,
    By the twanging,
    And the clanging,
    How the danger ebbs and flows:
    Yet the ear distinctly tells,
    In the jangling,
    And the wrangling,
    How the danger sinks and swells,
    By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the bells

    Alliemae
    December 28, 2006 - 09:16 pm
    Hi Jim,

    This poem expresses so many of my thoughts and feelings about the atomic bombing of Japan...in ways I never could have expressed them.

    C. Victor Stahl seems both a poetic genius and a very deep philosopher and I hope if you find other poetry by him you will share it with us.

    Good luck in your search. You can be sure if I find anything I will post it right away.

    Thank you so much for introducing this poet to the room.

    Alliemae

    Mallylee
    December 29, 2006 - 03:11 am
    Thanks Scrawler. The Kooser poem on your#558 is so sad and lonely. Maybe what he meant was thta sometimes when we think someone is sad and lonely, it's a misapprehension. Then, the opposite is true too; sometimes someone may be heartbroken, and putting on a brave face to spare others' feelings

    Mallylee
    December 29, 2006 - 03:16 am
    Scrawler#561 How right he is!

    hats
    December 29, 2006 - 05:10 am
    I am so far behind in reading posts. I am glad to hear from Jim in Jeff. Scrawler, I have enjoyed all of Ted Kooser's poems especially the last one about the "funny papers." Alliemae, I love, love The Bells.

    hats
    December 29, 2006 - 05:11 am
    I might have missed one of your poems. I am still reading past posts. I might have missed Barbara's post of a poem too. It has been a busy season.

    Hi Mallylee. I am always glad to see you here too.

    Scrawler
    December 29, 2006 - 09:29 am
    Windy and cold.

    All night, in gusty winds,
    the house has cupped its hands around
    the steady candle of our marriage,
    the two of us braided together in sleep,
    and burning, yes, but slowly,
    giving off just enough light so that one of us,
    awakening frightened in darkness,
    can see.

    ~ "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    I know just how the poet felt. I felt that way myself with gusty winds rattling my windows last night. Some protector my cat was - she practically pushed me out of bed to get underneath the covers.

    Ted Kooser's Career:

    "On August 12, 2004, he was named Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry by the Librarian of Congress to serve a term from October 2004 through May 2005. In April 2005, Ted Kooser was appointed to serve a second term as Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry. During the same week Kooser received the 2005 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry for his book "Delights and Shadows" (2004).

    Kooser lives in Garland, Nebraska, and much of his work focuses on the Great Plains. Like Wallace Stevens, Kooser spent much of his working years as an executive in the insuarnce industry, although Kooser sardonically noted in an interview with the "Washington Post" that Stevens had far more time to write at work than he ever did. Kooser graduated from Iowas State University in 1962 and received a master's degree from the University of Nebraska in 1968. Kooser has won two NEA Litery Fellowships (in 1976 and 1984), the Pushcart Prize, the Nebraska Book Awards for Poetry (2001) and Nonfiction (2004), the Stanley Kunitz Prize (1984), the James Boatwright Prize, and the Pultizer Prize for Poetry (2005)." ~ Wipipedia

    hats
    December 29, 2006 - 11:58 am
    I love the the words Braided together in sleep. This is another beautiful poem.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 29, 2006 - 12:27 pm
    I am so so tired to day from my drive home - this time it took 17 and 1/2 hours - what was maddening is, at my most tired state, the last 50 miles of road had so much new construction with new ways of getting to Austin that I have no idea where I was - I drive by landmarks and all the landmarks I knew for all these years are gone - but today I am bone weary - went back to bed and slept till 1: and I am still tired - ah so this too will pass but oh I hate being so physically tired so that I can hardly think - wish there was something on TV that I could just veg out for a bit - however sure enough Shakespeare put it into words.

    How heavy do I journey on the way,
    When what I seek, my weary travel's end,
    Doth teach that ease and that repose to say,
    'Thus far the miles are measured from thy friend!'
    The beast that bears me, tired with my woe,
    Plods dully on, to bear that weight in me,
    As if by some instinct the wretch did know
    His rider lov'd not speed being made from thee.
    The bloody spur cannot provoke him on,
    That sometimes anger thrusts into his hide,
    Which heavily he answers with a groan,
    More sharp to me than spurring to his side;
    For that same groan doth put this in my mind,
    My grief lies onward, and my joy behind.

    I need a day or two to catch up - looks like Scrawler you are devouring Kooser and sharing with us each bit - terrific...

    Jim in Jeff
    December 29, 2006 - 05:29 pm
    Thanks for your severak helpful ideas about how I might get further info (and contact descendants) of that old man living free in basement of a cheap Rooming House in midst of St Louis in 1948.

    Scrawler, his "Ajaz Publishing Company" of his 1948 booklet of poems seems to me a poet's figment.

    Alliemae, his booklet (well-printed with card-board covers and bound with staples) does have 33 more of his poems. One of these he dates 1897. Several from 1904 (St Louis World's Fair). One from 1912, his poem "The Sinking of the Titanic."

    Hats...thanks for your nice once-again "welcome" to our posts here.

    Again though...this isn't a great poet I am seeking info about. At my age 12 in 1948, he was just an old bum living for free in a STL rooming-house basement...with educated demeanor...and about 20 cats.

    However, I've lately dug out and re-read the booklet he gave my Mother (and have recalled my Mother's nice comments about him then). He likely produced this booklet on his own dime. I've a desire to contact his kinfolk and share his poetry with them...if I can.

    Jim in Jeff
    December 29, 2006 - 05:40 pm
    FWIW to new readers of our posts here...Ted Kooser was also this forum's FEATURED POET for October. That month's posts by us here were mostly about Ted's poems...still viewable IN FULL here. Just go back to the beginning msgs on this msg-board.

    Scrawler has been continuing to post some of Ted's thoughts here this month...and that's wonderful. Particularly Scrawler's choice of Kooser's "Winter Morning Walks" poems...apt posts in these "December days."

    Ted Kooser (our nation's "Poet Laureate," 2003-2005) did promise our Annafair that he'd join our discussions awhile in October. But he didn't...and he only sent us via Anna his excuse that "something came up."

    Forum Friends, this is NOT typical mid-western USA behavior, so maybe Ted has up and died (since his promises via Annafair to us here in early October).

    Barbara..., your post is Shakespeare's Sonnet #50, yes? Very poignant...very apt. Do have a good "rest"; and then also a swift return to share yourself (maybe even more often) with your many poetry-loving forum-friends...right here.

    hats
    December 30, 2006 - 01:57 am
    Jim in Jeff I hope you do find this poet's relatives. I think you are on an unusual and compassionate quest. I have seen people on the news who looked for people from long ago. Sometimes, their goal is met. They do meet the relatives of the main person. I am glad you still have the booklet owned by your mother.

    How do we find out about Ted Kooser's present health?

    Barbara, I am glad you are back. That Shakespearean poem is really "poignant" just like Jim in Jeff posted. I read it a few times over and over again. I like the sound of the poem. Is it a sonnet??? I don't know the difference between the two.

    I feel it's a sad poem. I think the speaker in the poem is going somewhere he'd rather not go. Maybe a friend has died or is sick. It seems even his horse knows and feels this man's heaviness of heart. Is it a woman speaking? The last lines I love and can identify with too.

    For that same groan doth put this in my mind,
    My grief lies onward, and my joy behind.


    I remember flying home to Philadelphia. I was going back home because my mother had died. This happened not too long after my marriage and my first baby was six months old. I took my baby with me, left husband back home working. So, all before me looked dark and sad while behind me was so much joy: new friends, new family, new town, etc.

    How many poems and sonnets did Shakespeare write? Does anybody know? I am just curious.

    hats
    December 30, 2006 - 02:01 am
    I would like to learn the basic elements of poetry. I remember Ginny doing something like that awhile back. I would love to start all over again. At that time, I wasn't ready. Something was going on in my life, can't remember what. Now I am ready. Maybe I am talking myself into another New Year's goal.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 30, 2006 - 09:34 am
    Hats here is a nice site with all of Shakespeare's Sonnets.

    And this is a nice site listing many links to understanding poetry - Resources for Poets

    A Sonnet is usually 14 lines - some forms of a sonnet breaks the 14 lines - personally I do not get to involved in what various rhythms are called but I do like to know what is being conveyed and the Sonnet is usually conveying a thought that is argued against in the last 4 or 6 lines. Here is a nice site all about the Sonnet

    And yes, the Sonnet I shared is about moving on leaving behind joy that for me was spending time with part of my family during a lovely holiday break. I also, had a wonderful feeling of being useful and accomplishing for my daughter something she reveled in - as a busy working mom with one teen and another on the brink of teen the laundry just piles up - I did it all and cleaned the laundry room - this prompted her to go through the boys things since they had not all been clean at one time in a long time to sort out what was no longer being worn - all the now clean discarded clothes could be taken to the give away center in town.

    I love to cook and having a group to enjoy what you cook is a nice treat especially since the younger boy goes on and on about his grandmother's cooking. So there was another activity that I enjoyed as much as they did. Now back to my work here, organizing my own life where I have opportunities to be more than a nurturer.

    The poem also referred to the difficult journey - I could stop and break the trip but I do not do well sleeping in a hotel/motel and I did not make any arrangements for a B&B which are too expensive near the logical places to stop and so I figured I might just as well keep driving. The logical places would be Vicksburg or Monroe - if I go all the way the Shreveport, then using Texas road 79 I am only 5 hours from home so that I would feel too antsy if I stopped for the night. All in all the trip is becoming more of a challange as I grow older and I will have to come up with some alternatives - I just will not fly any longer plus flying including the transportation between door to door took 12 hours while driving, enjoying my own music, stopping when I want to stop and not shleping carry-on presents and personal items through miles of airport and the biggie not being patted down only takes between 16 and the most 18 hours. Once the roads are rebuilt after Katrina and I-10 is not any longer the main street for all those towns between Mobile and Beaumont I can go that way which never did take me longer than 16 hours.

    Now I have tons to do - to unpack and get back into the swing of things around here...I love this poem since it reflects my life here where I have many more to assist than part of my family who I love but being there full time would limit me.
    Words To Live By

    It's not how much you accomplish in life
    that really counts,
    but how much you give to other.

    It's not how high you build your dreams
    that makes a difference,
    but how high your faith can climb.

    It's not how many goals you reach,
    but how many lives you touch.

    It's not who you know that matters,
    but who you are inside.

    Believe in the impossible,
    hold tight to the incredible,
    and live each day to its fullest potential.
    You can make a difference
    in your world.

    ~ Rebecca Barlow Jordan ~

    Scrawler
    December 30, 2006 - 10:21 am
    Two degrees and clear.

    A box of holiday pears came yesterday,
    twenty tough little pears, all red and green,
    neatly nested in cardboard cubicles,
    their stems all pointed the same direction
    like soldiers, a shine on their faces.
    Five, all in a row, had been singled out
    for special commendation and were wrapped
    in crumpled tissue parachutes. Maybe
    these were the leaders, the first to leap
    from the trees, singing their battle song,
    Early this morning I lifted the lid
    and they were sleeping peacefully, lying
    on one hard side or the other, dreaming
    their leafy, breezy dreams of home.

    "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    I love the personas that the poet gives these "pears". How could anyone eat one when they are described as: "sleeping peacefully, lying on one hard side or the other, dreaming their leafy, breezy dreams of home."

    If you like Ted Kooser's poems maybe you'll enjoy his book entitled, "The Poetry Home Repair Manual: Practical Advice For Beginning Poets" (2005).

    annafair
    December 30, 2006 - 10:49 am
    I love Ted Kooser and his Winter Morning Walks just reaches me ..Mallybee Ted Kooser is married and has at least one son ...He wrote the above book of poems after suffering depression for two years following surgery and chemo for cancer My favorite TK poem is one written in the Winter Morining Walks I had intended to add it to my Christmas message but never even sent a card.Before I go further I want to thank each of you for keeping this discussion going I loved reading all of them SO glad to see Jim here and Barbara's posts , which I fully understand ,.,,.being useful is so important ,,it adds to your feelings of being alive and cooking for a large group to meis the best gift Since I have always loved reading a poem out loud I especially loved Poe's BELLS"S It was a visit from an old friend...

    Mr Kooser's replies to my first and subsequent emails were full of enthusiam and I feel when he wrote something had come up it was private and perhaps had something to do with the cancer. My husband's cancer returned after seemingly cured and when it did it came back with a vengence,. I pray Mr Kooser's 'something" was temporary ...

    I hope now my friend is home things will return to some semblance of normalacy ...he has a walker and a PT comes 3 times a week and someone else twice and of course I am busy to say the least but he is improving and I feel I will have some quiet time to pursue poetry....my son hopes to bring his computer downstairs so that will help him occupy his time..For a 75 year old with other health concerns and two knee replacement I am proud of his determination to work toward complete recovery.

    I was thinking about searching for a poem but instead wrote one of my own,,...Happy New Year to all and May God Bless each one ..anna

    What my Heart hears


    I hear the year , it is winding down
    preparing for new birth
    with fresh opportunities
    like us it looks back before
    looking ahead
    there are new dawns, new evenings
    and starlit skies waiting for us
    but it remembers
    what the old year held
    we are awash in the aged memories
    and with secret hope dream
    of new chances , new mornings to greet
    I think of a new year as 365 presents
    each one a gift of surprises
    opened one day at a time
    May your presents bring
    happiness and joy
    and courage to face those
    that don’t.


    anna alexander December 30, 2006, 12:05 PM©

    hats
    December 30, 2006 - 12:05 pm
    What my Heart Hears is a lovely poem. These are my favorite lines.

    I think of a new year as 365 presents
    each one a gift of surprises
    opened one day at a time


    Barbara, thank you.

    Scrawler, that is another wonderful poem by Ted Kooser. I can see the pears so clearly.

    A box of holiday pears came yesterday,
    twenty tough little pears, all red and green,

    MarjV
    December 30, 2006 - 01:20 pm
    I'm sure Kooser was "busy" that month we studied him. I remember I found his itinerary and it was quite full. So we just didn't fit in.

    Jim in Jeff
    December 30, 2006 - 03:43 pm
    Not mentioned lately in these posts is Kooser's work while Poet Laureate to promote poetry. He chooses one contemporary poet's poem weekly and uses it in his "American Life in Poetry" column...which he also then offers FREE to nation's newspapers. I tried to get my local newspaper to "pick up" his free column for their books-reviews section...but I got no reply from them then. I might try again.

    Here's a link back to my early-October post here about that service by him: Jim in Jeff, "---Poetry" #22, 1 Oct 2006 3:44 pm

    Hats, you surmised correctly that my "C Victor Stahl" quest is motivated by compassion. P.S. - Re your asking about poetry manuals...I hope you also remember our msg-board posts here recommending Mary Oliver's two handbooks on Poetry...?

    Scrawler, your comment "How can one eat Ted's pears, personified?" remnds me of a classic old Al Capp comics-pages strip: "Lil Abner." In it, among many long-running themes, was a theme on those loveable little "Schmoo's." They adored humans, and lived only to please us. They'd flop over dead in ecstasy to become a meal for us. All of them was edible too, (except their whiskers, which they'd thoughtfully provided to make dandy toothpicks).

    Alliemae
    December 30, 2006 - 06:19 pm
    While looking for C. Victor Stahl I found the attached but I'm sure you've already found this. If you googled it was one of the first entries. Have you thought about contacting this person mentioned ( rather his sources?)? I couldn't figure out whether he translated Stahl's work or if Stahl had translated work for him. Not much help I'm afraid...sorry.

    Being a member of SeniorNet's Greek 101 I also looked up "Zorabella, A Greek Tragedy" but didn't have much luck finding it. Thought it would be interesting not only to me, but to my classmates.

    Did you say the book was listed as still being in existence? You mentioned in a post that the book has 30-some poems. Do you know where I can get the book? I remember you said something about the name of the publishing company possibly being bogus (not your word..can't remember your exact word).

    Below is the url for the website of the translator. When it comes up you'll need to scroll all the way down to about Box 25 and you'll see Ode to the Atomic Bomb between Nomad 2 and Nomad 5/6.

    Alliemae

    http://www.umsl.edu/~whmc/guides/whm0358.htm

    hats
    December 31, 2006 - 07:52 am
    Jim in Jeff and Scrawler thank you for the reminder about the books.

    Alliemae
    December 31, 2006 - 08:01 am
    I want to thank all of you for helping me remember my love for poetry and for introducing me to new poets.

    I love all the comments and additional facts and while I think at times I was confused about the purpose of the group (I had thought we would take a little more time on each or most poems rather than swing right into new ones) I have learned now that I can just take a day or few off to really 'get inside' whichever of the poems or poets have caught my fancy and you are all always here if I have any questions.

    annafair, you, with all the others have created a truly sacred spot where I've found peace and joy and laughter and sorrow and most of all have had memories of my own uncovered by the trowels and shovels of mental archeologists to shed light on things I either wouldn't want to or couldn't forget no matter hard I had tried.

    Much has been resolved inside of me these past few months and I look forward to continuing enjoying this group in the New Year!

    Happy New Year Everyone!!

    Scrawler
    December 31, 2006 - 09:04 am
    Cold and snowing.

    The opening pages forgotten,
    then the sadness of my mother's death
    in the cold, wet chapters of spring.

    For me, featureless text of summer
    burning with illness, a long convalescence,
    then a conclusion in which
    the first hard frosts are lovingly described.

    A bibliography of falling leaves,
    an index of bare trees,
    and finally, a crow flying like a signature
    over the soft white endpapers of the year.

    "Winter Morning Walks" ~ Ted Kooser

    This is such a sad poem in the beginning but once again the poet gives a wonderful image at the end - "and finally, a crow flying like a signature/over the soft white endpapers of the year".

    Have a happy and safe New Year's Eve and I'll see you all next year!

    annafair
    December 31, 2006 - 11:23 am
    You have no idea how important this place is to me....poetry has sustained me through those childhood years when regardless of how loved you by family you feel NO ONE TRULY LOVES AND UNDERSTANDS me...raising children and moving so much there was little time for me to try my hand at poetry But as many of you know the death of my husband unleashed all that grief in poetry and enabled me to move on..I have loved all the poets and poems shared her but equally important are the memories and thoughts you have shared. This place is my refuge, where beauty and life calm me and allow me to feel all the emotions of living,,,I appreciate more than words can say how much this place and you who come and walk with me via the magic of the internet mean to me.

    Thank you Scrawler for posting that poem I would have done it myself and have my book open to that day ..but I knew your heart would lead you to share it today .,....the last line just reaches out and comforts me ..it paints such a lovely tranquil ending to a year and to a life...I send you wishes for a HAPPY NEW YEAR and for a wonderful 2007 Sometimes thinking of myself at 13 realizing that life did end I can hardly believe I have lived this long! Incredible but I truly believe that poetry has sustained me ..it has given me an outlet for my emotions, my fears, gave me memories so precious I never thought to know again...but then This Place from the beginning became my sanctuary ..and each who have come and shared have blessed me ......I am indebted ...GOD BLESS YOU.....anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    December 31, 2006 - 12:11 pm
    OH yes, I agree, poetry does more to sort out my soul and to better understand my own and our shared history - most of all the kindness that is part of this discussion - the goodness in each heart comes through by the poems that are chosen and the thoughts and questions that have been elaborated upon after we read these poem.

    Anna you have opened me to several poets I would never have found as well as sharing your gift of writing that gets to the heart of your topic - Scrawler your almost daily offering is like the engine to my thinking - Hats your questions and thoughts are always so poignant - Marg you add always just the right question and response - Alliemae I love your sharing your thoughts and experiences that are as a result of a poem that was shared and the thoughtfulness of your inquiring about each of us - Joan you have a nack of furthering the mind picture of the poem you have chosen to comment on - Mallylee you share your open heart and curiosity with us - and Jim who always brings us pertinent information and a summery of our contributions.

    Such a wonderful core group - yes, there are others who pop in at various times but this is our core and I say "our" because I so look forward to being a part of the warmth, kindness and curiosity I read in this discussion.

    hats
    December 31, 2006 - 12:16 pm
    Anna, Barbara and Alliemae your words are comforting and inviting. I don't know what to say except thank you and have a wonderful, healthy, safe, creative and fun New Year. This wish is for all in the Poetry Corner.

    MarjV
    December 31, 2006 - 01:11 pm
    I know we don't start til Monday with MA - however, this poem is my favorite for all the years since I first read it. Sadly the website I got it from does not give a date. I love it. And even if I read no other poems by her this stands for her grit and determination and love of human beings; and her understanding of the difference between those in bondage and those who have never experienced or try to understand bondage of any ilk

    I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings

    The free bird leaps
    on the back of the win
    and floats downstream
    till the current ends
    and dips his wings
    in the orange sun rays
    and dares to claim the sky.

    But a bird that stalks
    down his narrow cage
    can seldom see through
    his bars of rage
    his wings are clipped and
    his feet are tied
    so he opens his throat to sing.

    The caged bird sings
    with fearful trill
    of the things unknown
    but longed for still
    and is tune is heard
    on the distant hillfor the caged bird
    sings of freedom

    The free bird thinks of another breeze
    an the trade winds soft through the sighing trees
    and the fat worms waiting on a dawn-bright lawn
    and he names the sky his own.


    But a caged bird stands on the grave of dreams
    his shadow shouts on a nightmare scream
    his wings are clipped and his feet are tied
    so he opens his throat to sing

    The caged bird sings
    with a fearful trill
    of things unknown
    but longed for still
    and his tune is heard
    on the distant hill
    for the caged bird
    sings of freedom.

    Maya Angelou

    And then I remember how L Hughest and G Brooks spoke of dreams and continuing to hold onto them.

    Maya also has an autobio by the poem's title. http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/cagedbird/summary.html

    MarjV
    December 31, 2006 - 01:16 pm
    The title of the above mentioned book comes from Paul Laurence Dunbar's poem "Sympathy":

    I know why the caged birds sings, ah me,

    When his wing is bruised and his bosom sore,

    When he beats his bars and would be free;

    It is not a carol of joy or glee,

    But a prayer that he sends from his heart's deep core,

    But a plea, that upward to Heaven he flings -

    I know why the caged bird sings. (Stanza 3

    hats
    December 31, 2006 - 01:22 pm
    MarjV, I love both poems. What a way to start the New Year. Thank you.

    Alliemae
    December 31, 2006 - 03:51 pm
    This was the first poem I ever heard by Maya Angelou and oh I love it still!!

    Nice way to start the New Year!!

    Jim in Jeff
    December 31, 2006 - 04:40 pm
    Thank you! I did NOT earlier find any mention of "C. Victor Stahl" in my google searches. I've tonite googled and found your hit on him too.

    He was named among many "papers" of Charles Guenther (1899-1991). From the dating, I surmise that CG is now deceased too. However, that "google hit" leads me to a possible info-contact: Western Historical Manuscript Collection at whmc@umsl.edu . I'll send them an email...lickety-split!

    Oddly, Guenther was working at a govt agency (ACIC) when I joined Govt employment at that same agency (my first Govt job).

    If my further efforts ensuing from your info-post here become fruitful, I'll let all know with a post here.

    annafair
    December 31, 2006 - 09:13 pm
    I miss Guy Lombardo but do try to stay awake long enough to see the wonderous ball drop in Times Square...I think the first Maya Angelou poem I read was I know why the caged bird sings...but for tonight I am going to use the one I almost clapped my hands and yelled GO GIRL YOU GO the first time I read it...so here it is ...have a great day and most of all a great year.anna

    Phenomenal Woman

    Pretty women wonder where my secret lies.
    I'm not cute or built to suit a fashion model's size
    But when I start to tell them,
    They think I'm telling lies.
    I say,
    It's in the reach of my arms
    The span of my hips,
    The stride of my step,
    The curl of my lips.
    I'm a woman
    Phenomenally.
    Phenomenal woman,
    That's me.

    I walk into a room
    Just as cool as you please,
    And to a man,
    The fellows stand or
    Fall down on their knees.
    Then they swarm around me,
    A hive of honey bees.
    I say,
    It's the fire in my eyes,
    And the flash of my teeth,
    The swing in my waist,
    And the joy in my feet.
    I'm a woman
    Phenomenally.
    Phenomenal woman,
    That's me.

    Men themselves have wondered
    What they see in me.
    They try so much
    But they can't touch
    My inner mystery.
    When I try to show them
    They say they still can't see.
    I say,
    It's in the arch of my back,
    The sun of my smile,
    The ride of my breasts,
    The grace of my style.
    I'm a woman

    Phenomenally.
    Phenomenal woman,
    That's me.

    Now you understand
    Just why my head's not bowed.
    I don't shout or jump about
    Or have to talk real loud.
    When you see me passing
    It ought to make you proud.
    I say,
    It's in the click of my heels,
    The bend of my hair,
    the palm of my hand,
    The need of my care,
    'Cause I'm a woman
    Phenomenally.
    Phenomenal woman,
    That's me.

    Maya Angelou

    hats
    January 1, 2007 - 12:16 am
    Anna, I am glad you chose Phenomenal Woman by Maya Angelou. I have heard her read this one, not in person, being interviewed. When I read this poem, I hear her voice instead of mine. I love it.

    I Know Why the Cage Bird Sings and Phenomenal Woman are two very special poems. For a little while I am going to just drink these poems in slowly. Both poems are very familiar to me. Still, I want to just begin a new experience with the words.

    hats
    January 1, 2007 - 12:49 am
    MarjV, thank you for the link too. Years ago, as a younger person, I read I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings. The autobiography begins with Maya growing up in Arkansas with her Grandmother, uncle and brother. I plan to sit down one day to reread "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings." I remember Maya Angelou's grandmother owned a general store too. To me, it's a great book about family, injustice and other important issues.

    hats
    January 1, 2007 - 01:17 am
    Here is an audio interview with Maya Angelou. I have enjoyed it.

    Maya Angelou

    MarjV
    January 1, 2007 - 06:16 am
    I love MA voice & thoughts so I look forward to listening to the link, Hats. Thanks.

    hats
    January 1, 2007 - 06:27 am
    Ships?
    Sure I'll sail them.
    Show me the boat,
    If it'll float,
    I'll sail it.


    Men?
    Yes I'll love them.
    If they've got the style,
    To make me smile,
    I'll love them.


    Life?
    'Course I'll live it.
    Let me have breath,
    Just to my death,
    And I'll live it.


    Failure?
    I'm not ashamed to tell it,
    I never learned to spell it.
    Not failure.


    I think this is such a positive poem. I have always heard, if you believe you will fail, then, what you believe will come true. If I believed in failure, my joy in life would have ended long ago. Failure is fatal to hope.

    MarjV
    January 1, 2007 - 06:57 am
    It seems to me if we don't acknowledge each other and our voices in even this small group then MA's thoughts and work have been in vain.

    Love the grit and determination in P. Woman and the Call Letters above.

    And aren't these lines great!: Life?/ 'Course I'll live it./ Let me have breath,/ Just to my death,/ And I'll live it.

    annafair
    January 1, 2007 - 08:13 am
    and a great and wonderful way to look at living..She expresses my own thoughts so well...Marj you are so right,,,but if ever there was a group that reaches beyond the words in a poem I think this is it,,,we look for the meanings, the inner thoughts of the poet and allow ourselves to FEEL and ACKNOWLEDGE what they offer.

    When my husband died I was so devastated and the first time I left home to travel alone my youngest son really didnt want me to go .,.,.he feared for me..But like Maya Angelou,,,I told him I didnt need to travel a 1000 miles to find trouble it is just around the corner but if I am going to live alone then I am going LIVE with an emphasis on living and you will just have to accept that,...So many of Maya Angelou's poems reflect that philosophy ..and she challenges us to do the same.. to make a difference When you read her biography she certainly had a lot of times when most of us would have given up...she not only survived but spit in troubles eye and challenged the world to deny her inner spirit ,,I am glad to have lived at the same time ...anna

    Scrawler
    January 1, 2007 - 09:32 am
    Ships?
    Sure I'll sail them.
    Show me the boat,
    If it'll float,
    I'll sail it.

    Men?
    Yes I'll love them.
    If they've got style,
    To make me smile,
    I'll love them.

    Life?
    'Course I'll live it.
    Just enough breath,
    Until my death,
    And I'll live it.

    Failure?
    I'm not ashamed to tell it,
    I never learned to spell it.
    Not Failure.

    "Wouldn't Take Nothing For My Journey Now" ~ Maya Angelou

    "My mother, the late Vivian Baxter, retired from the merchant marine as a member of the Marine Cooks and Stewards Union. She practiced stepping off the expected road and cutting herself a brand-new path any time the desire arose. She inspired me to write the poem "Mrs. V. B." ~ "Wouldn't Take Nothing For my Journey Now"

    I like this poem especially the last stanza:

    Failure?
    I'm not ashamed to tell it
    I never learned to spell it.
    Not Failure.

    I don't believe there is any such thing like "failure" - after all its just success turned inside out.

    MarjV
    January 1, 2007 - 09:47 am
    Scrawler---Hats already posted that poem this very morning!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 1, 2007 - 10:25 am
    Marj - It must be a poem then that catches the feelings for many people - the concept of no failure is such a strong message - logical - but often forgotten by the best of us...

    I am still mulling over the lines from I know Why The Caged Bird Sings

    The caged bird sings
    with a fearful trill
    of things unknown
    but longed for still
    and his tune is heard
    on the distant hill
    for the caged bird
    sings of freedom.

    I am thinking particularly of all the reasons we put up as road barriers to our own freedom, keeping ourselves in the cage in order to be acceptable, responsible, putting loyalty over self interest. I'm wondering how to define and balance freedom - how much freedom is appropriate -

    It is one thing to chaff at the cage others erect around us but another to realize how much we stay near the cage once it is opened or build another cage in order to feel safe or because we are doing the "right" thing. How much does the role we assume in our life keep us caged I wonder...

    I also look at the big picture and see how much we have all been caged without being aware when we learn, as the Baker Report tells us, that our news is altered. Do we really have freedom of choice or, have the choices been selected by societies expectations or by those with the power to pick and choose our options.

    It is easy to read the poem and bring to mind the injustice of being caged because of race or sex but to make the poem personal I have caged myself and then to take the poem beyond - knowing that because of a childhood incident Maya Angelou caged her voice for years do we cage ourselves for safety when we experience trauma...

    Freedom and cages are one of those issues I could dwell on for quite awhile and still not be sure I have satisfied the dichotomy.

    MarjV
    January 1, 2007 - 10:35 am
    I disagree Barbara, It means people are not reading other people's posts.

    - - - I just now enjoyed reading your thoughts on freedom and cages.

    Mallylee
    January 1, 2007 - 04:23 pm
    Scrawler#601 I could not understand MA's poem until your comment thanks.

    I will miss Ted Kooser when we take our leave of him. ,Thanks to all who have posted

    Mallylee
    January 1, 2007 - 04:31 pm
    Barbara#603 Re: the Caged Bird Sings poem: MA's take on freedom seems to me to assume that all who are not free yearn for freedom. I too will have to mull over this poem. I think that it perhaps refers to the sort of captivity that I have never known. The sort of captivity that only people such as prisoners of conscience, or such as deprived ethnic minority people experience.

    Was AM referring specifically to the latter sort of captivity?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 1, 2007 - 08:18 pm
    Mallylee - I do not know - I think if a poets work attains universal status as Maya Angelou's work has the poem would have to be able to stand without knowing the personal history of the poet so that the reader could eke out an understanding that would touch or provide food for questioning

    William Carlos Williams says:
    It is difficult
    to get the news from poems
    yet men die miserably every day
    for lack
    of what is found there.


    And poet Adrienne Rich, in a collection of essays says:
    Poetry wrenches around our ideas about our lives . . . Poetry will always pick a quarrel with the found place, the refuge, the sanctuary . . . Even though the poet, a human being with many anxious fears, might want just to rest, acclimate, adjust, become naturalized, learn to write in a new landscape, a new language, poetry will go on harassing the poet until, and unless, it is driven away.

    The Seamus Heaney, the Irish Nobelist who we read early in 2006 speaks of the "redress" which poetry provides:
    In the activity of poetry . . . there is a tendency to place a counter-reality in the scales, a reality which can only be imagined but which nevertheless has weight because it is imagined within the gravitational pull of the actual. Poetry has to be a working model of inclusive consciousness. It should not simplify. . . Poetry can make an order as true to the impact of external reality and as sensitive to the inner laws of the poet's nature as the ripples that rippled in and rippled out across the surface of the water [in a scullery bucket Heaney recalls from his farm childhood].

    To take just one quote "Poetry has to be a working model of inclusive consciousness." I would think all who read Maya Angelou's poetry must relate to our own consciousness - our own cages - our own fearful trill of things unknown that is heard on the distant hill.

    I did not realize until I broke the poem apart that Maya Angelou says, "fearful...of things unknown" - hmmm that sounds like hope in the unknown - real hope that has no picture attached because if there are mental pictures of what we hope for than we are only "wanting" what is in our memory - and so real hope which is in the unkown would take a lot of faith...hmmmm and so freedom requires a willingness to hope and lots of faith...hmmmm

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 02:25 am
    The caged bird sings
    with a fearful trill
    of things unknown
    but longed for still
    and his tune is heard
    on the distant hill
    for the caged bird
    sings of freedom.


    Barbara, I agree. We could stay on this poem for a long time. Then, come back to it again and begin our interpretation of it all over again. I don't think it speaks to one part of society and not another.

    "I would think all who read Maya Angelou's poetry must relate to our own consciousness - our own cages - our own fearful trill of things unknown that is heard on the distant hill."Barbara

    It's important to find how do these words speak to you personally. This is the wisdom and power of literature. It goes beyond our known place into unknown worlds. Our unknown world is the part of ourselves that lies undiscovered. It is also the other worlds of people we haven't known.

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 02:33 am
    Usually, I rewrite only a part of a poem that has already been posted. In my eyes, there isn't a need to rewrite the whole poem in full again especially when it has been so recently posted.

    Scrawler, why do you post poems in full all over again? If you tell us why, MarjV and I and maybe others would understand.

    Our group is small. Aren't we "caged" if we deny there is a problem? Here, our denial comes in the form of moving on and not addressing the person who has spoken up.

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 02:58 am
    of things unknown
    but longed for still


    Barbara,I also find it amazing that Maya Angelou speaks of our longing for what is unknown. That is so amazing. When we need or desire someone or something, our inner souls are aware of the hunger before we can put our lack into words. My caged bird is chirping. All I have to do is stop and listen. His song is about what I need to satisfy my inner and outer self.

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 03:12 am
    When you read her biography she certainly had a lot of times when most of us would have given up...she not only survived but spit in troubles eye and challenged the world to deny her inner spirit ,,I am glad to have lived at the same time ...anna

    Anna, I think of Maya Angelou as a survivor too. Mallylee, this is why I think her poetry speaks to all people. We are all survivors, aren't we? Our survival tactics may be different. What we survived may be different too. Still, I think, all mankind for whatever reason, must survive something or someone. Survival, gives us kinship. Survival unites us. Survival makes us listen to those who hurt because we have been there ourselves. Strength does not lie in denying that we have survived or are surviving. Neither does it lie in exclusion.

    I always come back to John Donne's words. I know. I have used these words in other posts. I guess it's one of my favorite passages.

    John Donne
    Meditation 17
    Devotions upon Emergent Occasions


    "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee..."

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 03:16 am
    Mallylee, I use John Donne's words to answer the question in your post and your whole post.

    "I think that it perhaps refers to the sort of captivity that I have never known. The sort of captivity that only people such as prisoners of conscience, or such as deprived ethnic minority people experience.

    Was AM referring specifically to the latter sort of captivity?" Mallylee

    Mallylee
    January 2, 2007 - 03:31 am
    Barbara and Hats, thank you both. Love you .

    Perhaps I am assuming too much when I asume that the caged bird is an unhappy bird. Discontented, and wanting to make things better, perhaps, but being discontented is as unlike unhappiness, as being free is unlike being caged for life.

    I will be reading the poem again hoping to get some enlightenment from it . Kooser has immediate impact through the senses,easy to grasp, but MA is almost entirely intellectual (?)

    The free bird thinks of another breeze an the trade winds soft through the sighing trees and the fat worms waiting on a dawn-bright lawn and he names the sky his own.

    But- the caged bird sings of freedom

    Maybe only the caged bird who recognises that he has been and is caged, is able to sing of freedom. The human being who is unable to recognise his own limitations cannot sing

    MarjV
    January 2, 2007 - 06:07 am
    Such great posts!

    Don't you think a "caged bird" may be seen differently for each of us. There are so many ramifications of "caged" and of "bird".

    Barb- I picked this thought out of your post: hmmm that sounds like hope in the unknown - real hope that has no picture attached because if there are mental pictures of what we hope for than we are only "wanting" what is in our memory - and so real hope which is in the unkown would take a lot of faith...hmmmm and so freedom requires a willingness to hope and lots of faith...hmmmm I never thought about hope having no picture; if you have a mental picture ,you could, in some instances be caging yourself also. Thanks.

    Alliemae
    January 2, 2007 - 07:13 am
    Even before I read Phenominal Woman I'd like to make one more comment on 'Caged Bird'...

    I think the juxtaposition (I think that's the word I want, if not feel free to correct me...you know me...always ready to learn!)...the juxtaposition of the verses...one of the caged bird and the next of the free bird is to let non-minority and non-persecuted peoples know the difference because if you haven't lived it it's so difficult to truly know how a caged bird (let alone an entire race of them that we have helped to cage) truly feels.

    And yet I do see the truth of Hats, Barbara and others about this poem relating to our own parts that are like 'caged birds'...

    That's a great poet for you!!

    Alliemae
    January 2, 2007 - 07:59 am
    Phenomenal Woman still makes me want to weep, hand over heart, as if singing 'The Women's National Anthem'!

    I too will never forget the first time I read this poem. Suddenly I had a right TO BE...JUST BE ME.

    I always see Maya Angelou's face when I read this poem...and picture the look on her face when she reads it aloud.

    Sometimes I wonder how much personal emotional work she had to go through to get past the traumas of her youth.

    This poem still leaves me breathless...and each word...each and every word reminds me that I am so proud to be a woman, just as I am.

    This would be a good poem to read daily I think both by women and men...we should all know and understand each other better.

    Alliemae
    January 2, 2007 - 08:06 am
    WOW!! What a deep and astute observation. Your observation makes me want to read the poem again...thank you, Mallylee

    You know what...I think the power of this group is that many say approximately the same thing sometimes but one version will 'click' to one of us and another version to another of us.

    That's why the group has such strength and depth I think. If each of us doesn't contribute, our particular opinion or outlook may not reach someone who needed just those words...

    Alliemae
    January 2, 2007 - 08:11 am
    I'm glad I helped a little and hope you do get some results.

    Yes, please do let us know!!

    Scrawler
    January 2, 2007 - 08:27 am
    Sorry, it is the way I post. I don't feel my comments would mean the same if the whole poem weren't there in front of you. I don't know any other way to do it - its the way I've been trained to write.

    "...Our young must be taught that racial peculiarities do exist, but that beneath the skin, beyond the differing features and into the true heart of being, fundamentally, we are more alike, my friend, than we are unalike".:

    ...Mirror twins are different
    although their features jibe,
    and lovers think quite different
    thoughts
    while lying side by side.

    We love and lose in China,
    we weep on England's moors,
    and laugh and moan in Guinea,
    and thrive on Spanish shores.

    We seek success in Finland,
    are born and die in Maine.
    In minor ways we differ,
    in major we're the same.

    I note the obvious differences
    between each sort and type,
    but we are more alike, my friends,
    than we are unalike.

    We are more alike, my friends,
    than we our unalike.
    We are more alike, my friends,
    than we are unalike.

    ~ "Wouldn't Take Nothing For My Journey Now" ~ Maya Angelou

    We must ALL be taught [not just our young] that racial peculiarities exist, but that beneath the skin...we are more alike than we are unalike - "...In minor ways we differ/in major we're the same."

    Alliemae
    January 2, 2007 - 09:46 am
    "We are more alike, my friends,
    than we our unalike."

    Scrawler, you've got it in one! Truer words were never spoken.

    And as for the title--I truly love this title. As my son always tells me (believe me, he's had his ups and downs), "Mom I don't regret anything I've been or done or have gone through because it has all contributed to the man I am today!"

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 10:42 am
    Scrawler, I love that poem too. Alliemae, your son is very wise.

    Scrawler, you have been very honest. This is a good reminder that each of us posting is unique. Our style of writing is as individual as our fingerprints. I respect your for being honest. I also always respect you as a writer.

    "I don't know any other way to do it - its the way I've been trained to write." Scrawler

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 10:57 am
    Mallylee, your last post, the whole post gave me a lot to think about. Thank you for your post.

    "...being discontented is as unlike unhappiness, as being free is unlike being caged for life." Mallylee

    I have always seen discontent as the same as unhappiness. I can see there is a difference now.

    hats
    January 2, 2007 - 11:06 am
    Last year changed its seasons
    subtly, stripped its sultry winds
    for the reds of dying leaves, let
    gelid drips of winter ice melt onto a
    warming earth and urged the dormant
    bulbs to brave the
    pain of spring.


    We, loving, above the whim of
    time, did not notice.


    Alone. I remember now.

    Thank goodness for the ability to recall, rethink, flashback, remember. There have been times I have been too busy to catch a precious moment. Then, alone, quiet that special time comes back to mind. It's there all in one piece to enjoy as though for the first time.

    annafair
    January 2, 2007 - 12:04 pm
    I dont have a poem to share because I have been mulling over the ones posted ...especially I know why the caged bird sings
    and I kept thinking of those I have known that have caged themselves to please others and if they are singing it is a plaintive song. I am thinking of people who cant reveal the person they are because they are trying to find approval of others...I tbink of homes that are like magazine illustrations;the children forbidden to make a mess because they are afraid someone would judge them by the looks of their homes or dress or any of a hundred things that we allow others to judge us...To me Maya Angelou says HERE I AM LIkE ME OR NOT and tells us to free ourselves from old prejudices, and recognize the truth WE ARE ALL FAMILY With three adopted children I have always said IT IS NOT BLOOD TIES THAT MAKE YOU FAMILY BUT HEART TIES I beleive Maya Angelou would say the same....to my family of my heart here I say thank you for your willingness to understand each other , to see the differences and still respect and care about each...that should be the ultimate goal love you , anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 2, 2007 - 09:11 pm
    words that I read here earlier and have stayed with me all evening...

    "all mankind for whatever reason, must survive something or someone. Survival, gives us kinship. Survival unites us. Survival makes us listen to those who hurt because we have been there ourselves." Hats

    "Maybe only the caged bird who recognizes that he has been and is caged, is able to sing of freedom. The human being who is unable to recognize his own limitations cannot sing." Mallylee

    "a "caged bird" may be seen differently for each of us. There are so many ramifications of "caged" and of "bird".' Marj

    "This poem still leaves me breathless...and each word...each and every word reminds me that I am so proud to be a woman, just as I am." Alliemae

    "beyond the differing features and into the true heart of being, fundamentally, "we are more alike, my friend, than we are unalike"" Scrawler

    "HERE I AM LIKE ME OR NOT and tells us to free ourselves from old prejudices, and recognize the truth WE ARE ALL FAMILY With three adopted children I have always said IT IS NOT BLOOD TIES THAT MAKE YOU FAMILY BUT HEART TIES" AnnaFair

    hats
    January 3, 2007 - 12:40 am
    Barbara, thank you for collecting all the thoughts here for the beginning New Year. All of you have such terrific minds. It's a free treasure chest open to all of us. I appreciate the Poetry Corner with its fine poets and the people who come sharing their feelings more and more each day. Each person is "singing" speaking about freedom. Freedom is so necessary and powerfully fulfilling to men and women. This is why the word freedom is heard on the distant hill. When we speak of freedom, it's like a powerful hymn reaching outside the doors of the largest cathedral or tiny church. For me, there is spirituality in the word. I think of Maya Angelou as a person full of spirit.

    his tune is heard
    on the distant hill
    for the caged bird
    sings of freedom.

    hats
    January 3, 2007 - 12:49 am
    Barbara, your words have been so rich regarding I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou. Reading your posts it's hard to pick which of your thoughts really struck my heart. This one really hit me.

    It is one thing to chaff at the cage others erect around us but another to realize how much we stay near the cage once it is opened or build another cage in order to feel safe or because we are doing the "right" thing. Barbara

    That's poignant. I also appreciate the quotes from other poets you posted. You have thanked us. Now I would like to thank you.

    Mallylee
    January 3, 2007 - 03:08 am
    Hats#611 I agree, although until I read your post I had not thought of it.This is the function, beauty and truth of poetry, and all arts, to show us to each other as whole and experiencing beings.

    I think it's necessary for true art to show the wholeness, otherwise what you have is nothing but decoration, or perhaps sensation-seeking. Ted Kooser rings true in small details of lived experience, and Maya Angelou seems to be writing about huge swathes of experience such as the nature of freedom, or the status of women.

    hats
    January 3, 2007 - 03:19 am
    Mallylee, you have given me new ideas to think about too. I like your comparison between Ted Kooser and Maya Angelou.

    "Ted Kooser rings true in small details of lived experience, and Maya Angelou seems to be writing about huge swathes of experience such as the nature of freedom, or the status of women."Mallylee

    I love Ted Kooser too. I think he's a great poet. As a matter of fact, I love your whole post.

    Mallylee
    January 3, 2007 - 03:26 am
    Barbara and Marjv#614

    real hope that has no picture attached because if there are mental pictures of what we hope for than we are only "wanting" what is in our memory - and so real hope which is in the unkown would take a lot of faith...hmmmm and so freedom requires a willingness to hope and lots of faith...(Barbara)

    plus MarjV's comment. I never thought about hope having no picture; if you have a mental picture ,you could, in some instances be caging yourself also.

    I never thought of hope not having an object of hope.Does hope not at least have to have a vague object such as 'justice' or 'peace'? Faith may step in when the object of hope seems impossible. In both cases, despair is the enemy. MA's poem about freedom shows how to avoid despair by recognising one's personal cage, and either hoping, or having faith, that there is a better alternative.

    It's best to be able to give up some objects of hope, such as fixed beliefs, when appropriate.Abandoning fixed beliefs can take some courage, so courage, along with hope and faith, also seems to be linked to freedom.This is what I take from Marj's comment.

    Alliemae
    January 3, 2007 - 09:08 am
    "It is one thing to chaff at the cage others erect around us but another to realize how much we stay near the cage once it is opened or build another cage in order to feel safe or because we are doing the "right" thing. Barbara"

    As many times as I have read the poem since it was posted here and the times before as well, this is the first time--when reading it isolated--that it has truly had a huge impact on me.

    How does a poet do that? How does a poet like Maya Angelou address so many people on so many levels, still making her point (or what seems to be her point)?

    I am sure, after reading this isolated portion of "I know why the caged bird sings", it was my own 'cage' from outside of my 'freedom' that prevented me from seeing that.

    And so I'm reminded once more of "Maybe only the caged bird who recognises that he has been and is caged, is able to sing of freedom." (Mallylee)

    Maybe now, after reading this poem, we too will have the ability to look and know how we are caged or especially how we cage ourselves, as Barbara said, and we too can think and dream and 'sing' of freedom in a clear and strong and confident voice.

    I really do love each and every one of you, my comrades in poetry...and life!!

    Scrawler
    January 3, 2007 - 09:12 am
    Sounds
    Like pearls
    Roll off your tongue
    To grace this eager ebon ear.

    Doubt and fear,
    Ungainly things,
    With blushings
    Disappear.

    "The Collected Poems of Maya Angelou": Part One: Where Love is a Scream of Anguish

    This is a very interesting poem. Doubt and fear can be ungainly things and sometimes we can avoid them, but sometimes we have these emotions for a reason - to warn us against the "golden" tongues that would deceive us. This is the way I interpret this poem because it comes under the heading of "Where Love is a Scream of Anguish". I see it as if someone is whispering sweet-nothings in her/his ear and taking away for the moment the person's doubts and fears, but is this love for real or in the end will it deceive him/her into a false hope.

    Alliemae
    January 3, 2007 - 09:27 am
    Just as I always 'see' Maya Angelou's face when I read "Phenomenal Woman", when I read "In Retrospect" I 'hear' her voice...as sultry and deep as her thoughts on the passing year.

    I will say that I do notice changes in the year. Each year I have wanted so badly to go to New England to see 'the leaves turn color'.

    The past few years I've been noticing that they change here too...right on my way to the grocery store...as do the icicles appear and then disappear. I just wish I could express it like MA...so everyone could appreciate these things I keep to myself.

    Alliemae
    January 3, 2007 - 09:33 am
    "To grace this eager ebon ear."

    Scrawler, I understand your analysis...I'd like to read this poem. Would you give us the complete title please.

    How often do we believe or have we believed what we knew in our hearts may be deceitful just because our ears were 'eager' to hear honeyed phrases?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 3, 2007 - 10:08 am
    Whoops I started this when Mallylee was the last who posted -

    When we look at the word hope and how it is used there are several popular uses for the expression - one based on wanting - wanting a certain feeling, a certain thing, even certain surroundings that brings us a certain feeling. Some of the hope for's - like I hope they did the dishes while I was gone shopping so I can go home and put my feet up to the expectations - I hope for one night my daughter and son are not fighting with each other or I hope our holiday is peaceful.

    Then there is the hope that we use when we really mean conquest - a conquest that when we use the word hope, to wish luck, we are coming from a place of weakness - we are thinking there is another more powerful happening or, person or, the unknown like God, who will allow us to succeed with our image of what is success.

    For most of us hope involves memory of forms and things or a sense of order that we can depend upon, like justice or peace. All justice and peace brings is an orderly arrangement between people, rather than their living in chaos. Attachment to any of this pseudo hope is tying us to our present facilities, affections, that which brings us pleasure, and our passions.

    Real hope is that which is not possessed or imagined - this real hope leaves us all feeling vulnerable - like walking off a cliff - like whistling in the dark - or trilling our song off that hill - we do not know who will hear our song - we would feel so much more secure if we thought someone with our best interest in their heart with a common understanding of what is in our best interest, heard our trilling song but there is no guarantee - Do we stop singing...???

    We may experience chaos, injustice, aggressive actions towards us - that is when we either turn to a compulsive behavior to numb our circumstance or, we become involved in a search that allows us to be comfortable with uncertainty when things fall apart and when we are in places that scare us.

    Of all the literature I have read on the concept of Hope as in Hope in the Unknown, it is still after all these 60 years now - I read St. John of the Cross when I was a Junior in High School - it is St. John of the Cross who I think says it best:

    "For who shall prevent God from doing that which he will in the soul that is resigned, annihilated and detached? But the soul must be voided of all such things as can enter its capacity, so that, however many supernatural experienced it may have, it will ever remain as it were detached from them in darkness.

    It must be like the blind man, leaning upon dark faith, taking it for guide and light, and leaning upon none of the things that he understands, experiences, feels and imagines. For all these are darkness, which will cause him to stray; and faith is above all that he understands and experiences and feels and imagines.. And, if he is not blinded as to this, and remain not in total darkness, he attains not that which is greater-namely, that which is taught by faith.

    A blind man, if he be not quite blind, refuses to be led by a guide, and, since he sees a little, he thinks it better to go in whatever happens to be the direction which he can distinguish, because he sees none better, and thus he can lead astray a guide who sees more than he, for after all it is for him to say where he shall go rather then for the guide... faith is its true guide."

    Mallylee
    January 3, 2007 - 04:53 pm
    Alliemae How does a poet like Maya Angelou address so many people on so many levels, still making her point (or what seems to be her point)?

    I bet that is a mark of a great poet

    Mallylee
    January 3, 2007 - 05:06 pm
    Barbara, Re; the St John of the Cross quotation:

    It is new to me, and because faith has cropped up as a topic as a result of MA's poem, I have been thinking about faith. Of course, I dont mean 'faith' as a synonym for religious belief, as the word 'faith ' is so often used these days.I mean faith as a blind , i.e. unreasoning , feeling that there is order and truth out there, only waiting to be discovered.

    Barbara, I think that what you are calling hope, the hope that has no object,as in not 'hoping FOR something', I have been calling faith

    I dont happen to believe this as a matter of philosophy, as there is no way that it can be proved, but faith supervenes on reason, and keeps us going. Faith seems to be a matter of sound mental health, a sort of unbeatable optimism. That sounds too Pollyanna-ish ! No, I think that St John of the Cross says it better !

    Although, was John of the Cross writing this on behalf of dogmatic belief? I don't know. However, I think that there is such a position as holding a reasonable faith , because , unless we have faith that we can make some progress , we would never make any progress, we would all be nihilistic, an attitude that does not help man or beast.

    annafair
    January 3, 2007 - 05:20 pm
    Is a banquet...I just spent 30 minutes reading one of the books by Maya Angelou I have,...like your words her poems are a feast ..so much to choose from...all of it has meaning and purpose but some opens doors in my heart some makes me shake my head and say I understand or grabs at my mind and says I never saw it that way before..

    The one I did choose is short ( wondering do I have time to type a longer one) but also one I can relate to ..I am a night person in a world that says day begins in the morning and ends at night..So I chose this one..anna

    INSOMNIAC


    There are some nights when
    sleep plays coy,
    aloof and disdainful,
    And all the wiles
    that I employ to win
    its service to my side
    are useless as wounded pride,
    and much more painful.


    Maya Angelou POEMS

    I wanted to make a comment here but my mind refuses to tell me what it was !

    Scrawler
    January 4, 2007 - 10:21 am
    Your skin like dawn
    Mine like dusk.

    One paints the beginning
    of a certain end.

    The other, the end of a
    sure beginning.

    "The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou": "Oh Pray My Wings Are Gonna Fit Me Well": Part II:

    This poem is an interesting play on words and tells of only one of many relationships between our fellow men/women.

    Re: post# 632:"Sounds Like Pearls" is the title of the poem. I usually put the title of the poem I'm going to discuss in the box TITLE at the beginning of the post and than begin the actual poem on the first line of "Type Your Message Here". I hope this is helpful to you.

    annafair
    January 4, 2007 - 11:34 am
    That all the poets from wherever they came,From Russia, Australia, Ireland .Chile, from the vast peoples of America...women , men different backgrounds etc in the end all speak to us...

    Sometimes we recognize the place , the scene, but always we recognize the pain...the joy, the hopes , the search for a way to say what life meant to them...and to us..on first reading this I was thinking of someone traveling alone...but reading it over several times it isnt just someone ...it is us...we all travel alone...some can walk with us but not all the way ..and there is a torture in knowing that ...the most we can do is take our turn being there for some of the way...and be glad when someone walked with us...anna

    THE TRAVELER


    Byways and bygone
    And lone nights long
    Sun rays and sea waves
    And star and stone,


    Manless and friendless
    No cave my home
    This is my torture
    My long nights lone.


    Maya Angelou Poems

    MarjV
    January 4, 2007 - 01:51 pm
    comment on Phenomenal Woman.

    I hope each of you has looked in the mirror and said - I am a phenomenal woman. Doesn't matter our color. Or our economics. Etc, Do look and do say!

    MarjV
    January 4, 2007 - 01:54 pm
    Barbara posted:- "this real hope leaves us all feeling vulnerable - like walking off a cliff - like whistling in the dark - or trilling our song off that hill - we do not know who will hear our song - we would feel so much more secure if we thought someone with our best interest in their heart with a common understanding of what is in our best interest, heard our trilling song but there is no guarantee - Do we stop singing...??? "

    Now I think that is marvelous. We do not even know if someone will open their ears to hear our song. My children don't/won't/can't hear mine. I still sing. I know as older citizens we run into obstacles where others turn off our song - but let us continue to sing!!!!! Oh please.

    annafair
    January 4, 2007 - 05:52 pm
    I only know phenomenal women starting with my grandmothers who left the country where they were born , came to America and raised 11 and 13 children ...one followed her husband all over with the children while he tried to find a place that could offer a cure to the cancer that killed him ...the other one ( 13) invested some of the money my grandfather made which wasnt a lot and bought small rental properties in her name...Owned a huge Victorian house only to lose it when the sone that stayed home gambled the tax money she had trusted him to pay....all of the women in my life suffered the loss of loved,ones ,,,struggled and remained resourceful and positive to the end I see that here what worries me is not our generation but my grandchildren who dont seem to have to struggle and dont realize that life can be hard ....because they havent seen that side yet...hopefully my granddaughters will read Maya Angelous poem and remember it...I continue to sing ( even when my children were small and said lets not sing anymore Momma ) because I cant carry a tune...but it is a joyful noise and I happily make it ...just be glad you cant hear it BUT IT IS THERE >>>hugs to all anna

    annafair
    January 4, 2007 - 10:17 pm
    This poems gives me chills and wishes that I could meet Maya Angelou and tell her what her poetry means to all women.....and I want to cheer ! anna



    Still I Rise




    You may write me down in history
    With your bitter, twisted lies,
    You may trod me in the very dirt
    But still, like dust, I'll rise.


    Does my sassiness upset you?
    Why are you beset with gloom?
    'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
    Pumping in my living room.


    Just like moons and like suns,
    With the certainty of tides,
    Just like hopes springing high,
    Still I'll rise.


    Did you want to see me broken?
    Bowed head and lowered eyes?
    Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
    Weakened by my soulful cries.


    Does my haughtiness offend you?
    Don't you take it awful hard
    'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
    Diggin' in my own backyard


    You may shoot me with your words,
    You may cut me with your eyes,
    You may kill me with your hatefulness,
    But still, like air, I'll rise.


    Does my sexiness upset you?
    Does it come as a surprise
    That I dance like I've got diamonds
    At the meeting of my thighs?


    Out of the huts of history's shame
    I rise
    Up from a past that's rooted in pain
    I rise
    I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
    Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
    Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
    I rise
    Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
    I rise
    Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
    I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
    I rise
    I rise
    I rise.


    Maya Angelou

    hats
    January 5, 2007 - 07:19 am
    Alone


    Lying, thinking
    Last night
    How to find my soul a home
    Where water is not thirsty
    And bread loaf is not stone
    I came up with one thing
    And I don't believe I'm wrong
    That nobody,
    But nobody
    Can make it out here alone.


    Alone, all alone
    Nobody, but nobody
    Can make it out here alone.


    There are some millionaires
    With money they can't use
    Their wives run round like banshees
    Their children sing the blues
    They've got expensive doctors
    To cure their hearts of stone.
    But nobody
    No, nobody
    Can make it out here alone.


    Alone, all alone
    Nobody, but nobody
    Can make it out here alone.


    Now if you listen closely
    I'll tell you what I know
    Storm clouds are gathering
    The wind is gonna blow
    The race of man is suffering
    And I can hear the moan,
    'Cause nobody,
    But nobody
    Can make it out here alone.


    Alone, all alone
    Nobody, but nobody
    Can make it out here alone.


    How true. I realize this truth the longer I live. People need the touch and voice of others to thrive and grow. If I leave a plant unattended, it will die. The plant wilts, yellows and the leaves grow smaller.

    I think many of Maya Angelou's poems are about loneliness. Feeling unequal to others whether as a woman, man, child leaves a person feeling lonely. I think it's hard to talk about loneliness. The most lonely people will pretend that loneliness has never been a part of their lives. I am reminded of the song sung by Barbara Streisand, People who need people are the luckiest people in the world. I can't remember the rest of the words. The need for people crosses the barriers of race. It's a need common to all mankind.

    People

    Anna, your last post, I can't remember the number was very moving. Thank you for writing it.

    annafair
    January 5, 2007 - 09:26 am
    Thank you for the compliment but I wonder if you realize what profound and thoughtful posts you make. You have a wisdom and understanding and thankfully share it. Nearly all of your posts are poetic as well, I know you would like to write poems and I would tell you dont worry about how a poem sounds to anyone but yourself All of the poets write about what they feel and you feel deeply and honestly ..you dont need lessons> Just allow that inner voice to speak...write first for yourself and if you would like to share that is fine but you are writing because it feeds your soul..I read a story about a famous poet who was asked WHAT DOES IT MEAN and he said IT MEANS WHATEVER YOU THINK IT MEANS>..because a poem is like a gift ...and to each person who recieves the gift it means something different...based on thier expierence but it means something...Maya Angelou writes from her expierence but I dont see it as a black voice but a human voice ...a woman's voice , an inspiration to all who have been mistreated and abused She is saying to all of us we can rise above our troubles , We can win...God Love You....always anna

    Scrawler
    January 5, 2007 - 09:35 am
    The day hangs heavy
    loose and grey
    when you're away.

    A crown of thorns
    a shirt of hair
    is what I wear.

    No one knows
    my lonely heart
    when we're apart.

    ~ "The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou": "Oh pray My Wings Are Gonna Fit Me Well": Part I

    This poem certainly speaks to all of us regardless of our differences.

    Speaking of powerful women. There is a picture of my Greek great-grandmother with several of my great-aunts standing behind a machine gun during WWII. My family's house was situated high above a narrow path were several times the Nazis tried to march up it. Since my great-grandmother and my great aunts survived the war I'd have to say that they indeed held off the Nazis. At the time all the men were in the hills surrounding the Greek islands and the only ones in the village were the women and children.

    Whenever I get down on myself I always think of these women and recognize the fact that somewhere within myself they are a part of me.

    hats
    January 5, 2007 - 10:56 am
    Anna, your words to us are always positive and heartfelt. Thank you. What a great lady to head the Poetry Corner.

    Scrawler, the women in your family were definitely Phenomenal Women.

    hats
    January 5, 2007 - 11:01 am
    MarjV, I like how you describe the Phenomenal Women.

    "I hope each of you has looked in the mirror and said - I am a phenomenal woman. Doesn't matter our color. Or our economics. Etc, Do look and do say!"

    I have never been able to put literature in a box labeled "race." I truly believe that Literature crosses all boundaries and reaches in our hearts. It doesn't matter where we live: city, country, on the street. Literature brings us together, helping us to understand one another, helping us not to judge another person.

    MarjV
    January 5, 2007 - 11:34 am
    Whoops ! I left out Jim in Jeff. Well, he can be the Phenomenal Man.

    annafair
    January 5, 2007 - 02:42 pm
    ALL PHENOMENAL WOMEN NEED A PHENOMENAL MAN AND I THINK JIM IN JEFF CERTAINLY QUALIFIES !!!

    Alliemae
    January 5, 2007 - 03:46 pm
    Thanks, Scrawler, I don't know how I missed that...sometimes I jump right into the poem and it so impresses or even overwhelms me that I don't notice some of the rest of the post!

    Thanks, again! Alliemae

    hats
    January 6, 2007 - 12:16 am
    Touched By An Angel


    We, unaccustomed to courage
    exiles from delight
    live coiled in shells of loneliness
    until love leaves its high holy temple
    and comes into our sight
    to liberate us into life.


    Love arrives
    and in its train come ecstasies
    old memories of pleasure
    ancient histories of pain.
    Yet if we are bold,
    love strikes away the chains of fear
    from our souls.


    We are weaned from our timidity
    In the flush of love's light
    we dare be brave
    And suddenly we see
    that love costs all we are
    and will ever be.
    Yet it is only love
    which sets us free.


    I think Maya Angelou is writing about the power of love. How does the "caged bird" find freedom? The "caged bird" discovers freedom, feels the power of the wind only by trusting in love. The "caged bird" doesn't take freedom without a sacrifice. It's not easy to trust.

    "...love costs all we are
    and will ever be.
    __________________________________________________

    "Coiled in shells of loneliness," I thought of the seashell named the Chambered Nautilus.

    Nautilus

    hats
    January 6, 2007 - 12:32 am
    Nautilus

    The spiral pattern is very interesting. When I compare it to my human self, I see an analogy.

    Scrawler
    January 6, 2007 - 10:22 am
    I couldn't tell fact from fiction
    or if my dream was true,
    The only sure prediction
    in this whole world was you.
    I'd touched your features inchly,
    heard love and dared the cost.
    The scented spiel reeled me unreal
    and found my senses lost.

    ~"The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou": Oh Pray My Wings Gonna Fit Me Well": Part II

    I love this poem. To me the poet is encouraging us to take a "chance" - to love even if our senses warn us that our relationship will not last. What have we to loose - except our senses.

    Mallylee
    January 7, 2007 - 02:59 am
    Hmm love sets us free.

    I will have to have another look at what St Paul says about it. It's true what Maya Angelou says so vividly. At the beginning od the poem I wondered I wondedered did she mean falling in love with someone of the opposite sex.Then 'love costs all we are' which seldom goes for mere sexual attraction. Then the last of the poem how love frees us, because it costs us all that we are.

    Some idea in the New Testament, from Jesus, I think, how one has to loose one's life in order to gain it.This bit, together with St Paul's on 'Charity' , are sound ethics, and incidentally, ound ethics.

    'Ethics' is such an inorganic word compared with MA's, or even those of Paul, or Jesus. This how poets are of so much value to society, Poets express truths in a way that touches immediately contacts the imagination. ' Thanks to all who psot.

    'Touched By An Angel' I liked and understood. I can't do with 'Senses of Insecurity' because sexual attraction aided by notions of romantic love causes mayhem. I am passed the age for it thank goodness!

    Mallylee
    January 7, 2007 - 03:06 am
    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity

    MarjV
    January 7, 2007 - 06:23 am
    A whole theology can be attributed to the poem Hats posted and Mallylee discoursed on.

    Here are thoughts about LOVE in Wikepedia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love

    -------

    Quite a picture you painted, Scrawler, about the women in your heritage!

    Alliemae
    January 7, 2007 - 07:56 am
    ""...love costs all we are
    and will ever be.

    Other thoughts spring immediately to mind...

    "The agony and the ecstacy"

    "And the greatest of these is love."

    Alliemae
    January 7, 2007 - 08:25 am
    "I'd touched your features inchly, heard love and dared the cost."

    I wonder what it was in the poet's experience that she calls the poem what she does.

    I guess it depends where a person is in their relationship whether this total letting go and giving in results in insecurity...or might it always?

    I'd love to be able to sit with Maya Angelou and let her tell me what she meant by many of these poems...but I think those two lines are lovely...especially when she says, "I'd touched your features inchly". There is something very poetic in that concept of touching inchly--a sensuous flow and turn of phrase that I think is one of the marks of this poet.

    Scrawler
    January 7, 2007 - 09:08 am
    For Adele

    The Student

    The dust of ancient pages
    had never touched his face,
    and fountains black and comely
    were mummied in a place
    beyond
    his young un-knowing.

    The Teacher

    She shared the lettered strivings
    of etched Pharonic walls
    and Reconstruction's anguish
    rounded down the halls
    of all her
    dry dreams.

    "The Collected Poems of Maya Angelou": Oh Pray My Wings Are Gonna Fit Me Well: Part Two

    I like this poem very much. Anyone who has tried to communicate with a child knows how difficult it is to get them to understand what it is you are trying to teach them. But I believe that if you - yourself believe in what you are trying to teach even if they are only "dry dreams" that you will communicate not only your ideas, but also your feelings about the subject and this will make it easier for the child to understand.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 7, 2007 - 10:33 am
    Had a message wiped away by the wrong touch of a key on Friday evening and ever since I am pondering the poem Touched by an Angle

    Whew...
    love costs all we are
    and will ever be.
    Yet it is only love
    which sets us free.

    Which has been my experience where my love on a deep level was betrayed - the guts to love again - maybe it is how I look at love - maybe I think still it means abandoning with complete trust to the one I love - I notice now that my grands are getting older I seem to instinctively pull back - hate it - somehow I still do not think I have this love thing figured out - there is not much education on how to love without abandoning yourself - most of the mystics abandon themselves to their love of God so they are no guidance. This is an area of life I feel like I am walking down a mine field... see I just need one of these teachers that Scrawler brought to our attention with "Communication II: For Adele"

    The lines I find interesting that Mallylee you shared "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

    That suggests to me that as Clint Black sings love is a verb - to be known by your love for others - is what you do - what is observable to others - but that to me says more about giving with compassion than it says about "love." hmmm maybe it is the receiving of love that is what brings out my porcupine protection.

    Jim in Jeff
    January 7, 2007 - 03:37 pm
    Yes, and we are all "Phenomenal" people too; thanks all, for including me. We've been a patriarchal male-dominated society so long...thru-out recorded history really. Western society today is committed to closing that gap...and signs are peeping up. But what a gap it is to span: gender-based language, societal etiquette, God, ... and even many of those wonderful paintings by 20th century American artist Norman Rockwell. And today's Eastern societies fall far short of Western gender-gap-bridging efforts. Maybe "democracy" will prove a helpful force.

    At any rate, Maya's one of my favorite poets. As most know, her poem "Caged Bird" was written long after her several biography books, the first of these books titled "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings." To me, her later poem does "sum up" her first years in a nutshell.

    I also like her poem about her Grandmother...earlier discussed here, the one whose verses repeat a refrain, "I shall not be moved." Her poems cover many other themes too. Here's one about reaching out to a loved one:

    "A CONCEIT"

    Give me your hand.

    Make room for me
    to lead and follow
    you
    beyond this range of poetry.

    Let others have
    the privacy of
    touching words
    and love of loss
    of love.

    For me
    Give me your hand.

    And here's one about resisting close relationships:

    "CHICKEN-LICKEN"

    She was afraid of men,
    sin and the humors
    of the night.
    When she saw a bed
    locks clicked
    in her brain.

    She screwed a frown
    around and plugged
    it in the keyhole.
    Put a chain across
    her door and closed
    her mind.

    Her bones were found
    round thirty years later
    when they razed
    her building to
    put up a parking lot.
    autopsy read:
    dead of acute peoplelessness.

    I'll later try some thoughts about her "On the Pulse of Morning," which I heard her deliver in person at President Clinton's first inaugural ceremony...this month in 1993. I didn't much "get it" then. But, thanks to poetry insights I've learned here, I now believe her Rock, River, and Tree are different metaphors for eternity. Great stuff! (As are each of you "Fenomenal Forum Friends" here!)

    Mallylee
    January 8, 2007 - 03:23 am
    Barbara, the Greek words for love are philia, eros and agape. Eros for sexual love, philia for need and indulging the need, and agape as Paul describes it, i.e. selfless love. I took it that Maya Angelou meant selfless love in her poem. At the beginning of the poem I thought it was to be about eros, but the last lines clearly seemed to be about agape, which happens when one is not chained to desires.Philia involves personal reward, but agape is completely self- giving.

    I got this on a link from Scrawler's Wikipedia link:

    Philia based on mutual advantage (love for what is useful). Philia based on mutual pleasure (love for what is pleasant). Philia based on mutual admiration (love for what is good). (Aristotle)

    Mallylee
    January 8, 2007 - 03:32 am
    Sorry, but 'Chicken Licken I do not believe. There are happy and productive autistic people, who are going to come into their own when more and more experts are needed to deal with computer logic

    Mallylee
    January 8, 2007 - 03:41 am
    Alliemae wroteI guess it depends where a person is in their relationship whether this total letting go and giving in results in insecurity...or might it always?

    I like the quotation ,'perfect love casts out fear'I think it may be from somewhere in the Bible.I think it is true. I am not sure that it is always true though.

    I have read about parents of deeply brain disabled children who go through lives of total devotion to their children. These parents often feel insecurity about the welfare of their children after they the parents die, although it's not the insecurity that comes from feelings of rejection, or unrequited love.I don't see how life and love in this world can ever feel totally secure, except for those few who have total faith in God's providence, or are naive and inexperienced

    hats
    January 8, 2007 - 06:58 am
    Thus she had lain
    sugar cane sweet
    deserts her hair
    golden her feet
    mountains her breasts
    two Niles her tears
    Thus she has lain
    Black though the years.


    Over the white seas
    rime white and cold
    brigands ungentled
    icicle bold
    took her young daughters
    sold her strong sons
    churched her with Jesus
    bled her with guns.
    Thus she has lain.


    Now she is rising
    remember her pain
    remember the losses
    her screams loud and vain
    remember her riches
    her history slain
    now she is striding
    although she had lain.


    I love the sound of the word "Africa." I also know about Maya Angelou's love for Africa. One of her books tells about her journey to Africa. I have never been to Africa. Still, something rings familiar to me whenever I read about Africa. I can see and feel the beauty of Africa while reading this poem. Maya Angelou makes the beauty of Africa's landscape visible by giving Africa a human face: tears, hair, breasts, etc.

    At the end, Maya Angelou brings in reality, brutal reality. She writes about pain, loud screams. I can feel the struggle of Africa. Africa's struggle to survive and remain a continent on the map filled with beautiful people who have potential. Africa "is rising." Africa "is striding."

    hats
    January 8, 2007 - 07:01 am
    Oprah's Journey to Africa

    Scrawler
    January 8, 2007 - 10:52 am
    A day
    drunk with the nectar of
    nowness
    weaves its way between
    the years
    to find itself at the flophouse
    of night
    to sleep and be seen
    no more.

    Will I be less
    dead because I wrote this
    poem or you more because
    you read it
    long years hence.

    "The Complete Colelcted Poems of Maya Angelou": Oh Pray My Wings Are Gonna Fit Me Well: Part Two

    What an interesting thought: will the poet be less dead whatever happens? It really does make one wonder doesn't it.

    I can relate to her poem Chicken-licken - ever since I lost my husband and son I have had dificulty with relationships and I often think that I will be like the poet suggests found "dead of acute peoplelessness".

    hats
    January 8, 2007 - 11:30 am
    Scrawler, I understand Chicken Licken too. It seems very straight forward to me. I think of many people this poem can fit. These are the people who are forgotten or feel forgotten in our society. These are the people who are lost between the cracks because of poverty, an illness, a victim of crime. These are the people not spoken about at dinner parties, etc.

    Mallylee
    January 9, 2007 - 02:36 am
    The poem'Wonder' challenged me to answer tihe question for my own satisfaction. My answer is 'no'. Because even a famous poet may have no more lasting effect on subsequent events than a completely obscure person. Everybody is necessary in the big scheme of events,

    I think of the 'buttefly's wings' effect, how tiny events have effects that spread out in place and time.

    hats
    January 9, 2007 - 02:41 am
    Mallylee, I love your thought about the butterfly. I will think about it for a long while. The above bold words are a quote from Mallylee's post.

    hats
    January 9, 2007 - 03:19 am
    My Fathers sit on benches
    their flesh count every plank
    the slats leave dents of darkness
    deep in their withered flanks.


    They nod like broken candles
    all waxed and burnt profound,
    they say "It's understanding
    that makes the world go round."


    There in those pleated faces
    I see the auction block
    the chains and slavery's coffles
    the whip and lash and stock.


    My Fathers speak in voices
    that shred my fact and sound
    they say "It's our submission
    that makes the world go round."

    They used the finest cunning
    their naked wits and wiles
    the lowly Uncle Tomming
    and Aunt Jemimas' smiles.


    This poem speaks so respectfully of elder men: grandfathers, great grandfathers. I love the words "pleated faces." If we aren't in a hurry, we can see stories of the past written in the faces of these men. Their stories were hard and painful. Their ways of getting through each day creative:

    "Uncle Tomming
    and Aunt Jemimas' smiles.


    I never had a chance to meet my grandfathers. By the time I came along both had died. Since I was a change of life baby, I had a chance to see a grandfather in my father. My father's face grew "pleated." He was never one to share sad life stories. That was alright with me. I could tell about my father's life by looking closely into his eyes.

    Alliemae
    January 9, 2007 - 11:02 am
    This poem fills me with grief and fury...and frustration. There is no way from my anglo-saxon background that I could possibly ever understand how it felt to be a slave and had to live using...

    "...the finest cunning
    their naked wits and wiles
    the lowly Uncle Tomming
    and Aunt Jemimas' smiles.

    I think it's so incredibly important to be reminded of this time...so I thank you again, Maya Angelou and Hats.

    Scrawler
    January 9, 2007 - 12:55 pm
    Of falling leaves and melting
    snows, of birds
    in their delights
    Some poets sing
    their melodies
    tendering my nights
    sweetly.

    My pencil halts
    and will not go
    along that quiet path.
    I need to write
    of lovers false.

    and hate
    and hateful wrath
    quickly.

    "The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou": "Oh Pray My Wings Are Gonna Fit Me Well": Part Three

    I found this poem very telling. "...Maya was raped by her mother's boy friend [at the age of eight]. Her description of the experience resulted in the murder of the rapist. Upon learning that the man was later kicked to death by her uncles, Maya became mute, believing, as she says, that "the power of my words led to someone's death." Still mute, four years later, she was sent back to her grandmother in Arkansas because no one could handle the grim state she was in. Angelou credits a close friend of her grandmother's for helping her "re find her voice". At the time, Maya was already an avid reader of poetry. Finally at the age of 13, after nearly 6 years of mutism, she began to speak again." ~ Wikipedia

    After reading this paragraph you can certainly understand why she found it difficult to write of "falling leaves" and "melting snows" etc. and write of "false lovers and hate and hateful wrath - quickly."

    Alliemae
    January 9, 2007 - 03:56 pm
    need a little more time and thought between poems...they are all so rich and deep...

    Mallylee
    January 9, 2007 - 04:33 pm
    Dear Hats. I did not originate the idea about the butterfly. I forget who did. It's an illustration of chaos theory

    Mallylee
    January 9, 2007 - 04:40 pm
    Alliemae , that goes for me too."Song for the Old Ones by Maya Angelou" (via Hats)

    This poem fills me with grief and fury...and frustration. There is no way from my anglo-saxon background that I could possibly ever understand how it felt to be a slave and had to live using...

    "...the finest cunning


    I like the poem though, because it just begins to get through to me, what it felt like. There are slaves today. women and children who have been stolen and sold into slavery. I hope they have enough cunning and cleverness to survive

    hats
    January 10, 2007 - 01:12 am
    Excuse me. Here is another way of looking at the methods used by survivors of slavery. In times of oppression whether it was during the Vikings conquering people and land, the Irish vs. the Protestants, the Holocaust survivors or prisoners of war like John McCain, all of these people in order to survive have used some way to live and not die of despair, torture or hunger. I don't see what is shocking. All of our ancestors have used their inner strengths to keep their inner spirits alive and their physical bodies alive. Some slaves survived by singing Negro spirituals. Other people have used meditation: on their Higher Power, on their family, etc. I can not presume to say what I would do or not do in hard circumstances.

    Mallylee is right.

    "I like the poem though, because it just begins to get through to me, what it felt like. There are slaves today. women and children who have been stolen and sold into slavery. I hope they have enough cunning and cleverness to survive"

    People are surviving today as "slaves" to differing circumstances. If we have not been through these ordeals, we have no right to gawk or put down the way these people in bondage have survived.

    hats
    January 10, 2007 - 01:21 am
    Scrawler, after reading your comment about this poem. I have a better understanding of it. If I had to write about sadness, it would take me forever. To write about the death of a wife or husband, a rape, a terminal illness must, at first, seem endless to a writer. Afterwards, there comes catharsis. I have always heard the saying "No pain, No gain." This might have been the title of a book. I can't remember. Authors writing memoirs, poems of their past, etc. have my applause and graditude. I know their papers, at times, are tearstained.

    Mallylee
    January 10, 2007 - 03:57 am
    'Our submission

    That makes the world go round'

    There are times when submission is the strategy that preserves life. I suppose this could go for personal relationships that dont involve slavery, and perhaps submission is the best strategy in certain international conflicts too. the wisdom is in seeing which situations merit the submissive attitude.

    I trust it's all right to continue to discuss meanings in a poem several posts after the original post? For myself, when I learn something new, such as good poem, I have to think about it in various ways, so that i can absorb it

    Slavery obviously does merit the submissive attitude, to conserve the integrity of the inner being,to preserve life itself, but it's more difficult when it comes to other relationships to know whether or not to fight back in defence.

    Mallylee
    January 10, 2007 - 04:06 am
    Hats'no pain , no gain'.

    I had to think about this, as it's true, I believe. However, if the pain is never -ending and there is no way that learning can take place, there will be no gain in learning. But if the pain is just sufficient to spur one into activity, then there will be gain.I think that the pain of being a slave is the sort of pain that accompanies utter frustration of the will to better oneself, so submission is the only strategy that will allow one to stay alive.

    Not so with free people.

    If there were no pain at all, no person could ever evolve into a more understanding person.

    The beauty of good poetry is that it allows vicarious experiences of other lives. we must all be richer for having read MA's poem about slavery and submission

    hats
    January 10, 2007 - 05:32 am
    Mallylee, your posts are great! I am glad you are in the Poetry Corner. I am learning from your posts as well as the other posts.

    Scrawler
    January 10, 2007 - 09:36 am
    "...Inevitably fear and hubris were to be found on both sides [north and south -1858]. Northerners genuinely feared that the combination of a pro-Southern president and a sympathetic Supreme Court could permit the spread of slavery into most new states. Allied to this fear was a sense of outrage that slavery in America was not only surviving but flourishing. This anger manifested itself in impassioned assaults against the South and Southerners by antislavery extremists. Most Northerners were willing to leave slavery alone where it existed. But they were bitterly opposed to any expansion of the South's "peculiar institution" and deaf to tales of happy slaves and devoted masters.

    Southerners' fears, which were related to their physical safety, were even more deep seated. The Nat Turner rebellion and isolated violence elsewhere had nourished fears of a slave insurrection. Only a fraction of Southern whites owned slaves, but many Southerners feared that emancipation would inevitably lead to racial integration and economic equality for blacks. As a result even nonslaveholders had an interest in sustaining the existing system. Moreover, Southerners of most political stripes resented the Northern view that slavery was cruel, immoral, and un-Christian. Were the immigrant laborers of the North any better off?" ~ "William Henry Seward: Lincoln's Right Hand": by John M. Taylor: Chapter: The Great Crusade: pp.109-110

    Excerpt from "Song of the Old Ones":

    ...They nod like broken candles
    all waxed and burnt profound
    they say "It's understanding
    that makes the world go round...



    We can see from the above paragraph that there was a lot of misunderstanding between both north and south. But I believe that even if they were to understand each other, it was their fears that overwhelmed them and those that believed that through slavery they could gain both wealth and power and so the slaves really never had a chance. Although if left to its on resolution, I think over a period of years the south would realize that the cost of slavery was too great a price to pay and the ' peculiar instution' would have died out of its own accord without resorting to civil war. But the spirit of the slaves would have lived on despite what others may have done as shown though this poem:

    ...I understand their meaning
    it could and did derive
    from living on the edge of death
    They kept my race alive.



    I think these words could have easily applied not only to the slave, but also to the western pioneer or immigrant or any other people that have lived on the edge of death and survived.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 10, 2007 - 11:37 am
    This poem reminds me of us here in this discussion - been busy and have had little time but I have been keeping up reading the posts...

    A Conceit

    Give me your hand
    Make room for me
    to lead and follow
    you
    beyond this rage of poetry.

    Let others have
    the privacy of
    touching words
    and love of loss
    of love.

    For me
    Give me your hand.

    MarjV
    January 10, 2007 - 11:38 am
    From "Song from the Old Ones"

    "...the finest cunning
    their naked wits and wiles
    the lowly Uncle Tomming
    and Aunt Jemimas' smiles.

    It takes cunning and smarts to survive the "cage". I liked that whole poem.

    And the line about the faces! "pleated faces". Isn't that a remarkble way to describe elderlies faces. The pleats are the lifeline of having lived. I've seen faces in my community that have had their wrinkles removed - they look "blank"; like where is your life, Maam!

    Mally- you may post a comment on any poem - just give us a hint of which one you are addressing. Lots of times our conversations refer back to an idea or poem someone posted.

    hats
    January 10, 2007 - 12:31 pm
    MarjV, I feel the same way. "Pleated faces" have character. I like the way you have put it.

    "The pleats are the lifeline of having lived."

    MarjV
    January 11, 2007 - 06:21 am
    This short poem has absolute music to it !!!!

    Country Lover

    Funky blues
    Keen toes shoes
    High water pants
    Saddy night dance
    Red soda water
    and anybody's daughter

    M Angelou/Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou

    Alliemae
    January 11, 2007 - 06:37 am
    "Re: Country Lover

    I agree with Marge and it also tells the entire story in just 17 words (minus title)!! And yet it is as complete as a short story!! I can see him!!! Love it!

    Alliemae
    January 11, 2007 - 06:41 am
    Someone once told me that one of the 'rules' (although they don't actually have 'rules') of the Tao (or Dou, if you will) says:

    "Let your first response be silence."

    I think submission, at least until you have a safe plan, is probably the best resort.

    hats
    January 11, 2007 - 06:49 am
    Alliemae and Marj I love that one too. There is a rhythm to it.

    Mallylee
    January 11, 2007 - 10:04 am
    I like that Taoist advice,. Alliemae. I think that sums it up in as few words as possible.

    annafair
    January 11, 2007 - 10:37 am
    It seems the days are full of appointments that take more time than I would like to give...I researched some of the poems I enjoyed and wished to share but all of you are on my wave length and have already posted the poems I would have shared.. This lady with the pleated faces will return later today with a poem I did like but dont have time to type...

    PLEASE email me any suggestions for a poet you would like to discuss or I am going to have to choose one I have read and enjoyed ..What about an old time poet ie Longfellow I still remember the beginning of Hiawatha as I memorized a great deal or Byron ..there are so many and some modern ones as well.....have a great day ...another appointment today ....love always anna

    Scrawler
    January 11, 2007 - 10:50 am
    "...Right Effort is not always goal - and achievement - oriented; it also includes the sublter virtues of nondoing, of yielding, and going with the greater flow. When Paul mcCartney sang "Let It Be," we all responded to his words. Through Right Effort we learn how to do the best we can in life, living fully and with all our heart - and then let go, knowing that whatever happens, happens. The universe is beyond our control, anyway. Trying to control things creates more stress, struggle, and irritating friction in the greater system..."~ "Awakening the Buddha Within" ~ Lama Surya Das p. 191

    "The Couple" by Maya Angelou:

    Discard the fear and what
    was she? Of rag and bones
    fairy-ness
    Archaic at its birth.

    Discharge the hate and when
    was he? Disheveled moans
    a mimesis of man's
    estate
    deceited for its worth.

    Dissolve the greed and why
    were they? Enfeebled thrones
    a memory of mortal
    kindliness
    exiled from this earth.



    I believe that Lama Surya Das and Maya Angelou are saying the same thing. Just coming at it from different directions. Through the "right effort" we learn to do the best in life.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 11, 2007 - 07:47 pm
    Change of pace - fun from Maya

    Preacher, Don't Send Me

    Preacher, don't send me
    when I die
    to some big ghetto
    in the sky
    where rats eat cats
    of the leopard type
    and Sunday brunch
    is grits and tripe.

    I've known those rats
    I've seen them kill
    and grits I've had
    would make a hill,
    or maybe a mountain,
    so what I need
    from you on Sunday
    is a different creed.

    Preacher, please don't
    promise me
    streets of gold
    and milk for free.
    I stopped all milk
    at four years old
    and once I'm dead
    I won't need gold.

    I'd call a place
    pure paradise
    where families are loyal
    and strangers are nice,
    where the music is jazz
    and the season is fall.
    Promise me that
    or nothing at all.

    annafair
    January 11, 2007 - 10:11 pm
    I think of soup...I love soup of all kinds but my mothers soup full of all kinds of vegetables and beef and the added touch of several whole cloves which flavored the soup ,..of course we always picked them out ...but gave the soup a piquant touch ..when I read this poem I was carried back to my mothers kitchen, warm and cozy and bowls of that soup Here is Maya Angelou's

    THIS WINTER DAY


    The kitchen is its readiness
    white green and orange things
    leak their blood selves in the soup.


    Ritual sacrifice that snaps
    an odor at my nose and starts
    my tongue to march
    slipping in the liquid of its drip.


    The day, silver striped
    in rain, is balked against
    my window and the soup.

    Mallylee
    January 12, 2007 - 04:21 am
    This Winter Day '--just as vivid as any ofTed Kooser's images.Annafair, I will put cloves on the shopping list. I make a lot of soup and I thnk cloves in soup would add a nice spiciness.

    Preacher--Don't Send Me---- What ARE grits?

    Right Effort (by the lama) I understood straight away, and it reminded me of Jesus's advice about remembering how the lilies of the field dont toil, neither spin.This from Alliemae#690 I think submission, at least until you have a safe plan, is probably the best resort. seems to me to be the same sort of advice, about how passivity is the right reponse in some(?many) circumstances.

    I just remembered how Jesus said that about the lilies of the field while Jews were suffering from the Roman occupation: Taoism started during a long period of suffering by peasants in China: Maya Angelou has the long memory of African slavery in the 19th century. Buddhism is mainly about relief from the inevitability of suffering.

    The Couple -- I find difficult because of the unusual syntax. I still cannot understand the second verse. Is MA saying that poverty, suffering and greed are all superficial and there is a more real and better self sometimes hidden from view?

    annafair
    January 12, 2007 - 07:21 am
    I dont think you are a southener because they love grits and the best way to use them are baked with a garlic roll of cheese ,,,I think there is an egg in there as well ..I could eat a whole bowl of them..but added to a breakfast of sausage, eggs and pancakes , grits on the side with butter making a yellow sun on the white grits is just heaven .......they are white corn meal with sort of the consistency of sand but a soft edible sand ...dont use too many cloves ..depends on the amount of soup but I only use about 3 for the amount I make now...anna

    MarjV
    January 12, 2007 - 07:40 am
    on poverty , suffering and greed. Maybe it is even more than superficial. Her use of the word "take" could mean a strong directive - like get that out of your "house", and I don't mean maybe..

    Scrawler
    January 12, 2007 - 09:43 am
    How often must we
    butt to head
    Mind to ass
    flank to nuts
    cock to elbow
    hip to toe
    soul to shoulder
    confront ourselves
    in our past.

    "The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou": Part V:

    I think in "Reverses" the poet is reminding us to stop living in the past and thinking of our past mistakes and start living in the here and now or the present.

    MarjV
    January 12, 2007 - 10:12 am
    Even more than reminding, I think Maya is challenging a generation or all peoples. The same tape can play over and over in people's heads til they stop it and take a new turn in their thinking and actions.

    Maya is an action woman.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 12, 2007 - 11:09 am
    Grits are nothing more than coarsely ground dried corn. If you grind it finely, it is corn meal. Grind it coarsely and it's grits. Hominy Grits includes hominy which is whole kernels of corn soaked in a caustic water - usually water with lye in it.

    You just pour grits in a pot of boiling water and cook it over medium to low heat stirring as it cooks. If you don't stir it occasionally it clumps up and may even stick.

    You can add fatback which is salted pork with the skin attached. It is mostly fat so when you fry it your get a lot of salty grease and a crispy piece of skin not too different than bacon.

    Some folks just add a pat of butter and sprinkle a little salt and pepper on their grits.

    We always fixed it with red eye gravy - which is frying up a few pieces of ham - cutting that up and adding it to the hominy grits and then pouring some coffee into the pan to scrape up the drippings and flakes from the ham - pouring that over the lot.

    There is no wrong way to fix grits. It's just a filler to go along with your bacon and eggs. Grits sort of takes on the flavor of whatever you eat it with. If you eat it by itself, it just tastes a little "gritty."

    Mallylee
    January 12, 2007 - 12:18 pm
    Ah, well, I have cornmeal in the cupboard and I do use it as a carbohydrate filler to go with veg, gravy etc. I never saw coarsely ground corn meal though. I will have a look in the health -food shop when next I am in there.

    hats
    January 12, 2007 - 02:24 pm
    You declare you see me dimly
    through a glass which will not shine,
    though I stand before you boldly,
    trim in rank and marking time.


    You do own to hear me faintly
    as a whisper out of range,
    while my drums beat out the message
    and the thythms never change.


    Equality, and I will be free.
    Equality, and I will be free.


    You announce my ways are wanton,
    that I fly from man to man,
    but if I'm just a shadow to you,
    cound you ever understand?


    We have lived a painful history,
    we know the shameful past,
    but I keep on marching forward,
    and you keep on coming last.


    Equality, and I will be free.
    Equality, and I will be free.


    Take the blinders from your vision,
    take the padding from your ears,
    and confess you've heard me crying,
    and admit you've seen my tears.


    Hear the tempo to compelling,
    hear the blood throb in my veins.
    Yes, my drums are beating nightly,
    and the rhythms never change.


    Equality and I will be free.
    Equality and I will be free.


    I love the repetition in this poem, "Equality and I will be free." Somehow I think of the spiritual We Shall Overcome. Equality is another poem about survival. If you have always been treated equal, is it possible to realize the pain of not being treated equal? Once you have been treated as unequal, it's hard to brainwash yourself back into believing you are equal. To survive against the knocks of being thought inferior is a tremendous task. Yet, it is possible to do by allowing your mind to believe the truth that you are equal. Maybe it takes a repetition of thought.

    Hear the tempo to compelling,
    hear the blood throb in my veins.
    Yes, my drums are beating nightly,
    and the rhythms never change.


    Anna, I really enjoyed your thoughts about soup. I love to make soup. I love the smell of soup in the kitchen.

    annafair
    January 12, 2007 - 05:04 pm
    I knew a Willie a gentle giant but because he was retarded and his age may have been 8 at the most he was often treated harshly and unfairly.,. He was the brother of Aunt Annie who was the Irish lady my mother hired when she was ill to help out...I was a small child when I first met him and we were on about the same level later I realized it wasnt normal to be so tall and so young,..but he was always welcome when we met him or he stopped by to see us...I know even then I was horrified to know and hear how some treated him...I think anyone who treats another human being unkindly in any way is missing something in their makeup ...perhaps they were never taught to respect all or perhaps they themselves were never truly respected I dont know I have known several Willies in my life and have always found them showing more natural kindness and understanding than some who thought the "Willies":in this world they were beneath them I wish they knew that in fact they were beneath the people who they ridiculed ..

    I love the person in this story who refused to be defeated by life ..and it was hard to read it or type it as I kept heaing teardrops in my heart ..wanted to reach out and hug the spirit of this poem..anna

    WILLIE


    Willie was a man without fame
    Hardly anybody knew his name
    Cripppled and limping, always walking lame
    He said," I keep on movin' Movin' just the same.


    Solitude was the climate in his head
    Emptiness was the partner in his bed.
    Pain echoed in the steps of his tread.
    He said< " I keep on followin'
    Where the leaders led."


    I may cry and I will die,
    But my spirit is the soul of every spring,
    Watch for me and you will see
    That I'm present in the songs that children sing.


    People called him "Uncle","Boy"and "Hey,"
    Said, "You can't live through this another day."
    Then,they waited to hear what he would say.
    He said,"I'm living
    In the games that children play."


    "You may enter my sleep, people my dreams,
    Threaten my early morning's ease,
    But I keep comin'followin' laughin" cryin'.
    Sure as a summer breeze."


    "Wait for me,watch for me.
    My spirit is the surge of open seas.
    Look for me , ask for me,
    I'm the rustle in the autumn leaves."


    "When the sun rises
    I am the time.
    When the children sing
    I am the rhyme."


    Maya Angelou

    Mallylee
    January 13, 2007 - 03:49 am
    Before I write any more I want to thank all who post the poems on here

    MarjV
    January 13, 2007 - 06:09 am
    That is a super strong poem.I like it.

    I like the repitition - it's a reminder of what she is thinking.

    I think this verse really puts it forward:
    Take the blinders from your vision,
    take the padding from your ears,
    and confess you've heard me crying,
    and admit you've seen my tears

    That verse can equally apply to elderly people, street kids, women when they are discounted.

    MarjV
    January 13, 2007 - 06:12 am
    I like the spirit of "Willie" . It'is like a dream that people are not to let go of. Keep coming !!!!!

    hats
    January 13, 2007 - 06:13 am
    MarjV, I love that verse too. I can apply to women and others feel unequal in society. I think Anna's Willie fits along with this poem like a hand in glove.

    MarjV
    January 13, 2007 - 06:36 am
    Dawn offers
    innocence to a half-mad city.

    The axe-keen
    intent of all our
    days for this brief
    momoent lies soft, nuzzling
    the breast of morning,<,br> crooning, still sleep-besotted,
    of childish pranks with
    angels.

    Wondrous little poem. A reason I love to walk in the early mornings of spring and summer. On first reading it reminded me of a small child waking, how they nuzzle and are still half asleep. That term "sleep besotted" is neat.

    From:Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou c1994

    MarjV
    January 13, 2007 - 07:53 am
    "axe-keen intent". I think that points right at the people who stomp all over everyone else in their race to the top

    Scrawler
    January 13, 2007 - 10:01 am
    Byways and bygone
    And lone nights long
    Sun rays and sea waves
    And star and stone

    Manless and friendless
    No cave my home
    This is my torture
    My long nights, lone

    "The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou" Part II Traveling

    I'm not sure that being alone even manless and friendless is really torture - we make life what it is.

    A word about equality. If all the races were equal would they also be free? To be equal means to have the same quantity, value, quality, number, or status as another. Freedom means to have liberty or independence. It would seem that if one race is not free than really none have liberty. One might think they do, but in reality they don't because that can't truly be free unless everyone is equally free.

    Mallylee
    January 13, 2007 - 11:07 am
    It's true, Scrawler that freedom and equality are opposed. I am a socialist by preference. By that, I mean that I believe that a democratic state should limit individual freedoms, so that there is less difference of opportunities between the weaker and the stronger people

    hats
    January 15, 2007 - 03:44 am
    Just Beyond my reaching,
    an itch away from fingers,
    was the river bed
    and the high road home.


    Now Beneath my walking,
    solid down to China,
    all the earth is horror
    and the dark night long.


    Then Before the dawning,
    bright as grinning demons,
    came the fearful knowledge
    that my life was gone.


    Often, I remember the slaves who survived slavery. These slaves might have lived to see the Civil War and the days of Reconstruction. Those same slave might have lived to follow the North Star to freedom.

    Sadly, many Africans did not make it across the water. The journey was too hard, too painful, too rough, too cruel. In this poem, I believe, Maya Angelou is remembering those who died aboard these ships.

    Coffle A group of animals, prisoners, or slaves chained together in a line.(answers.com)

    The Middle Passage

    Slave Ships

    I am sorry about the red print. I think it is used to make us think of danger and blood while reading the article. I know it is hard to see.

    The word Beyond, Beneath and Before are purposely, I think, capitalized by Maya Angelou.

    Martin Luther King would want us to remember those who have lived to see freedom and those who died for freedom. In this way we appreciate what FREEDOM means to all mankind.

    hats
    January 15, 2007 - 03:58 am
    Lyrical History

    MarjV
    January 15, 2007 - 08:24 am
    Great post, Hats.

    Our Detroit Charles Wright African Am. Museum has a replica of a slave ship.

    And a perfect Angelou poem to illustrate.

    hats
    January 15, 2007 - 08:37 am
    MarjV, I would like to see it.

    Scrawler
    January 15, 2007 - 10:56 am
    You drink a bitter draught.
    I sip the tears your eyes fight to hold,
    A cup of lees, of henbane steeped in chaff.
    Your breast is hot,
    Your anger black and cold,
    Through evening's rest, you dream,
    I hear the moans, you die a thousands' death
    When cane straps flog the body
    dark and lean, you feel the blow.
    I hear it in your breath.

    Part One: Where Love is a Scream of Anguish

    I'm not sure we have discussed this poem before, but it seemed to be appropriate for today's celebration of Martin Luther King. I know back in the 60s when I was still in high school (I think it was in my senior year) I wanted to go to Mississippi, but my day absolutely forbid it. So instead I wrote a story about a black teenager meeting on a freedom rider's bus with a white teenager and they go to Alabama where they are confronted with white southerners at a rally. I put myself in this story so in reality I did go down south in the 60s and was a witness to what happened there.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 15, 2007 - 01:34 pm
    I do not think Angelou Maya would mind but for today I just have to share one of Martin Luther King Jr.'s Mountaintop Speech that moves me even more than his Dream Speech...

    Here it is with an audio version to bring back every nuance of passion within this man. The construction of the speech is a work of art and his message hits the bottom of our souls and raises us up to the heavens... Martin Luther King Jr. "I've Been to the Mountaintop"

    patwest
    January 15, 2007 - 02:53 pm
    There is also a Free Online Lecture: Martin Luther King on the SN homepage.

    http://www.seniornet.org/php/default.php

    MarjV
    January 15, 2007 - 03:15 pm
    King's Mountain Top speech has always given me shivers down my spine. Just absolutely breathtaking. Like he knew. And then secondly the Dream speech.

    hats
    January 16, 2007 - 02:27 am
    Barbara, thank you for the audio. I love the Mountaintop speech too. I do love the Dream one too. I can't pick my favorite. It's just too hard.

    hats
    January 16, 2007 - 02:32 am
    Scrawler, thank you for this poem. It is very moving.

    Mallylee
    January 16, 2007 - 04:30 am
    Barbara thank you so much for the link to this wonderful website which I have added to my Favourites. Everything about the speech, and the recording is magnificent. It is good to know that there are such far-seers as MLK, and it is true that only when the sky is really dark that the stars can be seen. How true in my own personal life and more importantly, how true that only when a nation gets into serious difficulties will the common people exert ourselves and put it right. May we always have dreams of a better world with human rights for all!

    Mallylee
    January 16, 2007 - 04:35 am
    Hats I copied this from the We Shall Overcome link that you posted

    And remember that someone, somewhere, is singing it right now.

    I support Amnesty International, and to remember that, helps and inspires

    Mallylee
    January 16, 2007 - 04:36 am
    Scrawler#718 I like the precis of the story you wrote

    hats
    January 16, 2007 - 05:46 am
    Mallylee, I am glad you are here. You are inspiring. I am worried about Alliemae. I hope Alliemae is well.

    Scrawler
    January 16, 2007 - 10:45 am
    Last year changed its seasons
    subtly, stripped its sultry winds
    for the reds of dying leaves, let
    gelid drips of winter ice melt onto a
    warming earth and urged the dormant
    bulbs to brave the
    pain of spring.

    We, loving, above the whim of
    time, did not notice.

    Alone. I remember now.

    Part Three: And I Still Rise: "The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou"

    I can't say today in Hillsboro, Oregon where I live that I can't notice the changing seasons. We have at least two to three inches of snow on the ground. So this poem seemed appropriate for the day especially the part where the poet says: "let gelid drips of winter ice melt onto a warming earth and urged the dormant bulbs to brave the pain of spring. As I look out on my back patio almost all my tropical plants are dead, but inbetween the dead leaves are tiny bulbs pushing through. So even in the throngs of winter snow my spring bulbs are coming giving me a hint of what is to come.

    annafair
    January 16, 2007 - 10:58 am
    Yesterday I wanted to re-read both I have a dream and the Mountaintop speech I wish I could hear them but I feel that when I could hear them I did,I did read them late last night. They are so vivid and I wanted to post this ..as I intended to share my feelings...That some poetry is really prose and that some prose is truly poetry,

    I have always felt both of these speeches were so moving they were really poetry I have been grateful all my life that I grew up in what could be called a mixed neighborhood. I have been grateful that my parents believed that ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL and words others might use I never heard until I married and moved away. Remembering those neighbors , all who were caring and friendly and were there for each other when illness or death occured as well as when births and happy events happened were my introduction to what I believe is the real heart of America.

    As I read Maya Angelou's poems I dont hear a black voice but a human voice that speaks of man's inhumanity to man. God created man not white men or black men or yellow men or any color of man but MAN What I see is a world of BLIND MEN who do not love others DEAF MEN who do not hear the pain of others

    Yesterday was a busy day for me and I missed being here and sharing my thoughts As always you did it for me...and I thank you for your sharing and your thoughts .. GOD BLESS YOU ....always , anna

    Mallylee
    January 17, 2007 - 04:01 am
    Annafair, Exactly! That some poetry is really prose and that some prose is truly poetry,



    what I believe is the real heart of America. Amen. meaning: 'so let it be'

    hats
    January 17, 2007 - 05:30 am
    Anna, as usual your post is very moving and meaningful. I especially love these words in your post. This, to me, is such a powerful statement.

    "I dont hear a black voice but a human voice..."

    Brief Innocence by Maya Angelou

    Dawn offers
    innocence to a half-mad city.


    The axe-keen
    intent of all our
    days for this brief
    moment lies soft, nuzzling
    the breast of morning,
    crooning, still sleep-besotted,
    of childish pranks with
    angels.

    Morning is like an innocent child. In a child's mind are all sorts of ideas for the coming day: pull a toy, make a puddle in orange juice, dance around and around. I need to look forward to a fresh day filled with angels.

    Scrawler
    January 17, 2007 - 11:13 am
    Curtains forcing their will
    against the wind
    children sleep,
    exchanging dreams with
    seraphim. The city
    drags itself awake on
    subway straps; and
    I, an alarm, awake as a
    rumor of war,
    lie stretching into dawn,
    unasked and unheeded.

    "Speaker, why don't you sing?"

    I think I can understand this poem up to the words: "...The city drags itself awake on subway straps...". But I haven't a clue as to what: "I, an alarm, awake as a rumor of war,/lie stretching into dawn, unasked and unheeded" means.

    annafair
    January 17, 2007 - 02:49 pm
    I am not sure but if you have ever ridden a subway or bus in NEw York or Philly or wherever when it is crowded I suspect she is saying the riders are holding on the subway strap trying to awake....

    I can't vouch for what the second sentence means except there have been times I have awakened with a feeling of dread. that something really bad is happening or going to happen Thankfully most of the time it is just indigestion but to me she is saying she is the alarm and whatever bad thing she is feeling no one asks and no one pays attention ...perhaps she is suggesting she sing and forget her thoughts..I dont know but as usual I try to think what I would mean if it were me writing it...hope to be back later ...cold here and I have had to be out all day with business and am chilled , chilled , chilled ,...always, anna

    Mallylee
    January 18, 2007 - 12:25 am
    Maya A loves children

    exchanging dreams with seraphim

    MarjV
    January 18, 2007 - 06:29 am
    Here is a link to a long Angelou poem that is worth reading - too long to post here.

    "Our Grandmothers"

    I liked the rhythm and the repition of the line, "I shall not be moved."

    hats
    January 18, 2007 - 06:40 am
    MarjV, I love that poem. It's very hard to pick my favorite line. "I shall not be moved" are very strengthening words.

    annafair
    January 18, 2007 - 10:19 am
    Before I post while much of this is woman's work I also appreciate the work that men do ....it is just a different type and that is understandable ..but for the most part MA is right and I can understand the last lines.Several of my uncles who were orphaned while in their teens became sharecroppers in Arkansa and Missouri I am sure the women who married them would shout YES I UNDERSTAND it was a harsh life and even some of my counsins chopped cotton and without shoes. and .With a husband who was a pilot in the Air Force and I was left with 4 children to raise , 3 under 5 at one time I appreciate the final few verses It was not that I didnt understand why so much was left for me to do alone and appreciate women who do it ALL ALONE but there were times when I couldnt see an end to the road ...and so I relate to this poem Even my daughters and daughters in law who are professional people still have the majority of things to do...in the end even if you can find reliable help the responsibilities are yours ..So for women everywhere I offer MA's Poem

    Woman Work


    I've the children to tend
    The clothes to mend
    The foor to mop
    The food to shop
    Then the chicken to fry
    Then baby to dry
    I got company to feed
    The garden to weed
    I've got the shirts to press
    The tots to dress
    The cane to cut
    I gotta clean up this hut
    Then see about the sick
    And the cotton to pick.


    Shine on me, sunshine
    Rain on me , rain
    Fall softly, dewdrops
    And cool my brow again.


    Fall gently, snowflakes
    Cover me with white
    Cold icy kisses and
    Let me rest tonight.


    Sun, rain , curving sky
    Mountains, oceans , leaf and stone
    Star shine, moon glow
    You're all that I can my own.


    Maya Angelou Poems

    Scrawler
    January 18, 2007 - 10:37 am
    The sun rises at midday.
    Nubile breasts sag to waistlines while
    young loins grow dull,
    so late.
    Dreams are petted, like
    cherished lapdogs
    misunderstood and loved
    too well.

    Much knowledge
    wrinkles the cerebellum
    but little informs.
    Leaps are
    made into narrow mincings.
    Great desires strain
    into petty wishes.
    You did arrive, smiling,
    but too late.



    "Shaker, Why Don't You Sing?"

    I had to chuckle at the words: "Much knowledge/ wrinkles the cerebellum, but little informs..." I feel I'm like that. My brain has sooooooooooooo much information because I research so much, but there are times when it really doesn't inform.

    I would like to nominate Ogden Nash for February. I think in the middle of what seems like a harsh winter for all of us. [Can you believe Snow in Malibu, California and Ice in Texas!] It would do us good to laugh a little.

    hats
    January 18, 2007 - 12:59 pm
    When You Come


    When you come to me, unbidden,
    Beckoning me
    To long-ago rooms,
    Where memories lie.


    Offering me, as to a child, an attic,
    Gatherings of days too few.
    Baubles of stolen kisses.
    Trinkets of borrowed loves.
    Trunks of secret words,


    I CRY.


    Maya Angelou


    I don't always choose what to remember or when to remember. Sometimes a memory just pops out of nowhere, taking me back to long ago whether I wish to go or not.

    Jim in Jeff
    January 18, 2007 - 04:51 pm
    Great thoughts being posted daily here, thanks to Annafair's fair fare. (Sorry...I'm still learning "Alliteration 101.")

    Scan-reads of your many wonderful thoughts JUST DON'T DO IT. I need to mull over these sharings of yourselves and your thoughts here...expressing your hearts, you wonderful forum folks.

    But...I'm still in "scan-read" tonight. I have so far NOT yet spotted any forum-friend praises of TWO poems that, since 1999, have been circulating on Internet..."I Am A Christian" and "Clothes" (aka "FUBU").

    Bravo, forum friends! These poems attributed to Maya on I-net...are NOT her works. She disowns these on her official website. (You'd have to click on her website's "contact us" button before seeing this disclaimer near bottom there.)

    Here's a link to a report on the "clothes" poem: http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/timberland.asp

    And here's a link to a report on the "I am a Christian" poem: http://www.snopes.com/glurge/christian.asp

    P.S.:

    FUBU is a true sometimes-used Blacks' acronym for: "For Us, By Us."

    The Clothes/FUBU poem is just someone's hate-oriented attack on Timberland Outfitters, claiming KKK owns them (FALSE).

    The "I am a Christian" poem attributed to Maya was really written by one Carol Wimmer and published in a 1988 Assembly of God periodical. Her words and the circulating I-net words don't quite match. Also, Wimmer's orig poem-title was "When I say, I am a Christian."

    Great tributes and thoughts being shared here to our great poet, Maya.

    Jim in Jeff
    January 18, 2007 - 05:06 pm
    Hats, your posts to 3 links in msgs 714-715 here are much appreciated by me. Great stuff!

    Your Library of Congress (LOC) "lyric history" link inspires me to describe here the LOC a bit more...having been a regular LOC patron (in-person visitor there) for 28 years (1976-2004).

    1. They aren't just a library for use by Congress...tho that's a priority search there. They also claim to be "The Nation's Library," due mostly to a law passed by year-1898 congress that two copies of EVERY copyrighted media-product be given to LOC. Consequently, on their shelves now resides most 20th century books, songs, music scores, etc.

    2. Their website has, over the last 15 years or so, grown up; it's now a fantastic place to browse/search. I could spent a weekend doing just that, on their website. Their card catalog is now online too.

    3. LOC is a real place tho. It is 3 block-size buildings, justs east and south of our Capitol building. These are undergournd/under-street connected by walkways...tho one can also go between them above ground over a city street's traffic.

    Their main building houses their famous "Reading Room." Fantastic dome, above it.; rustic desks in a circle around retrieval-station.

    Here, one can submit requests for books and then await delivery of them. One can't browse shelves there anymore...there's folks to retrieve our books for us.

    4. In early years for me in DC, I'd just walk into their Reading Room (or a terminal room just off it) to request a particular book. Then I'd sit at a reading-room table, my books delivered in...15-60 minutes. But after 9/11/2001, I had to get from them a picture id to do all that...and some other needed security thingies too.

    5. There's other areas within the LOC 3-building complex. For example, one of the three buildings is dedicated to the performing arts. But their "Folklore/Music" room still is in its original location in another LOC building. Lots to love, at LOC. And much of its info is coming ONLINE now, too.

    MarjV
    January 18, 2007 - 05:39 pm
    Jeff - thanks for the info about the LOC. I have never even thought to go to their website. Fun to hear about something from someone who experienced it fisthand.

    ~Marj

    hats
    January 19, 2007 - 01:59 am
    Jim in Jeff, I always enjoy reading about your personal experiences as well as your thoughts on poetry.

    Scrawler
    January 19, 2007 - 09:56 am
    For Dugald

    A last love,
    proper in conclusion,
    should snip the wings,
    forbidding further flight.

    But I, now
    reft of that confusion,
    and lifted up
    and speeding toward the light.



    "Shaker Why Don't You Sing?" by Maya Angelou

    This poem makes me feel that her resolution in her action speaks of the kind of person Maya Angelou is inside. She always seems resolved towards "action" of some kind or another rather than take the path that society dictates.

    Mallylee
    January 19, 2007 - 11:31 am
    She stands before the abortion clinic, confounded by the lack of choices. In the Welfare line, reduced to the pity of handouts. Ordained in the pulpit, shielded by the mysteries. In the operating room, husbanding life. In the choir loft, holding God in her throat. On lonely street corners, hawking her body. In the classroom, loving the children to understanding.

    Marvellous! What more can I say? Thanks so much for posting. Except thqat the poem as a whole leads up to this climax, so may be I should not have copied just a little bit of the poem

    Mallylee
    January 19, 2007 - 11:36 am
    Jim in Jeff intersting to read about the Library of Congress

    MarjV
    January 19, 2007 - 11:41 am
    Mally - that poem was much too long to post here which is why I gave the link. Hopefully everyone read it ; so for you to post that section that spoke to you was purrrrrrrfect.

    MarjV
    January 19, 2007 - 11:43 am
    That poem rather reminded me of daydreaming. How our thoughts can all of a sudden be rammed with a past person.

    MarjV
    January 19, 2007 - 03:23 pm
    Make sure to scroll down. I get this newsletter regularily.

    http://www.scambusters.org/poetryscam.html

    annafair
    January 19, 2007 - 04:57 pm
    And like everyone else your comments and links are always welcome I thank you for the info about LOC and am going to check it out My oldest daughter became legally blind in her late 30;s and gets books on tape from LOC doesnt cost her anything either ..Some local libraries do that as well but she lives in a rural area.

    I chose the following poem because boy does it speak to me..As long as I lied about my age everyone treated me as if I were as young as I said(22) but once admitted my real age and along with my hearing people are treating me like I was not only old but feeble and helpless...so here is Maya ANgelou on

    ON AGING


    When you see me sitting quietly
    Like a sack left on the shelf
    Don't think I need your chattering.
    I'm listening to myself.
    Hold! Stop! Don't pity me!
    Hold! Stop your sympathy!
    Understanding if you got it,
    Otherwise I'll do without it!


    When my bones are stiff and aching
    And my feet won't climb the stair,
    I will only ask one favor:
    Don't bring me no rocking chair.


    When you see me walking, stumbling
    Don't study and get it wrong.
    'Cause tired dont mean lazy
    And every goodbye ain;t gone.
    I'm the same person I was back then,
    A little less hair, a little less chin
    A lot less lungs and much less wind.
    But ain't I lucky I can still breathe in.


    I LOVE THIS

    Jim in Jeff
    January 19, 2007 - 06:02 pm
    Marj...thanks much for your scambusters "poetryscam" alert and link.

    I sure hope it doesn't include those longtime poetry contests offered at http://www.poetry.com (which seem bonafide ones, to me anyways).

    Also, there's an annual "write the worst possible opening sentence to a non-existent novel" at http://www.bulwer-lytton.com. This too seems to me a valid contest."You too...can be a writing-contest winner!"

    IOW...there's honest poetry/prose contests out there, along with the many SCAM ones. If they ask for money, upfront or later on, it's DEFINITELY a scam. Send NO MONEY ever (or any other personal ID info).

    Jim in Jeff
    January 19, 2007 - 06:04 pm
    I love it too.

    Jim in Jeff
    January 19, 2007 - 06:12 pm
    Hats posted: Jim in Jeff, I always enjoy reading about your personal experiences as well as your thoughts on poetry.

    Same to thee, Friend. It "takes one to know one," someone once said.

    Jim in Jeff
    January 19, 2007 - 06:32 pm
    I was just now meditating a reply to a Maya poem you'd posted...asking us about meaning of its last half. I'd developed some half-*ssed thoughts about it offline, but when I went back to re-read your post to firm my thoughts up...I can't find your post here now.

    SUBJECT TWO: I second your "Ogden Nash" nomination for our February discussion here. As a possible amendment, how about an Ogden Nash and Shel Silverstein month? Somewhat similar satirists (oops, I'm alliterating again).

    Nash alone would be a fine February choice for me too. However, I will NOT be online much in Feb. So others here who WILL be online, ought to nominate their own poet faves for discussing in February. Meanwhile...I for one am enjoying "Maya in January"!

    Jim in Jeff
    January 19, 2007 - 07:16 pm
    Awwwk! I just now re-found your post (#732). It says:

    Awaking in New York by Maya Angelou:

    Curtains forcing their will
    against the wind
    children sleep,
    exchanging dreams with
    seraphim. The city
    drags itself awake on
    subway straps; and
    I, an alarm, awake as a
    rumor of war,
    lie stretching into dawn,
    unasked and unheeded.

    "Speaker, why don't you sing?"

    I think I can understand this poem up to the words: "...The city drags itself awake on subway straps...". But I haven't a clue as to what: "I, an alarm, awake as a rumor of war,/lie stretching into dawn, unasked and unheeded" means.


    Sad to confess...I've temporarily forgotten my inspired interpretation of this poignant Maya passage. Hopefully others here will up and fill us in...? I had a SUPERB meaning in mind...once upon a time (sigh).

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 19, 2007 - 09:26 pm
    Seems to me that Awaking in New York is all of a piece.

    People in New York, like Curtains do not flutter in the wind – they force themselves against a wind –

    There is little room to be unaware or childlike as if in sleep. That is a dream world where you can play along with angles but that is not New York.

    The city is liberal as anyone and everyone grabs a strap to hold themselves upright as this city speeds and rattles along putting great pressure on anyone not holding on or, they fall or, are no longer independent as they lean on a neighbor. You plant your feet and be ready, fully awake.

    Remember when there was a rumor of war before Iraq – the buzz, the flags flying on everything. The chatter and marches as everyone gave their strong opinion. That is how awake you are in New York. Up out of the darkness, into the light/reality of dawn, you are ready to force your will against the wind in this city that does not invite, sends no welcome wagon ladies to your door.

    In this city you are unheeded, one of the million or more who are all hanging on as this city roars through the days and nights. There is no relating to the soft grassy knolls of nature or quiet competition with chirping birds in this city. Therefore, instead of looking for applause, as if you were on the stage of the Apollo Theatre, she says, “Just sing”.

    Sing your song. Plant your feet, hang on and sing your song unasked, unheeded, awake to the realities observed in dawn's light. Leave the nights with its glitter and fantasy, parties and personal dreams as the space for the child within. In this town, a dream must have the force of will against the wind like someone who can stand against the wind of the subway train without holding on. Most just hang on, fully awake to a new day, not listened to or given serious attention or 'asked' to ride the subway - a town that used to say to anyone with egalitarian ideas, "Ten cents and you too can ride the subway."

    hats
    January 20, 2007 - 02:49 am
    Come. And Be My Baby
    By Maya Angelou


    The highway is full of big cars
    going nowhere fast
    And folks is smoking anything that’ll burn
    Some people wrap their lives around a cocktail
    glass
    And you sit wondering
    where you’re going to turn
    I got it.
    Come. And be my baby.


    Some prophets say the world is gonna end
    tomorrow
    But others say we've got a week or two
    The paper is full of every kind of blooming horror
    And you sit wondering
    what you’re gonna do.
    I got it.
    Come. And be my baby.


    Here is one answer to life's complex, controversial problems, live and enjoy for the moment.

    hats
    January 20, 2007 - 03:02 am
    Maya Angelou/Rainbow

    hats
    January 20, 2007 - 03:24 am
    I would like to suggest William Wordsworth.

    ALF
    January 20, 2007 - 05:45 am
    It just amazes me how we each can have a different interpretation of a poem. Thank you Barb for your insight. As a New Yorker I read that poem quite differently. Isn't this fun?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 20, 2007 - 07:52 am
    oowww Alf please share with us how you read the poem - being from New York it would be great to have your insight...

    Oh my hats - "Come. And Be My Baby" seems all doom and gloom with folks existing but not living that will be loved away by Angelou Maya.

    I could not help but compare the difference in personality to Wordsworth who looks at the wonder of the little things and shares that wonder with those he loves.

    "AMONG ALL LOVELY THINGS MY LOVE HAD BEEN"

    AMONG all lovely things my Love had been;
    Had noted well the stars, all flowers that grew
    About her home; but she had never seen
    A glow-worm, never one, and this I knew.

    While riding near her home one stormy night
    A single glow-worm did I chance to espy;
    I gave a fervent welcome to the sight,
    And from my horse I leapt; great joy had I.

    Upon a leaf the glow-worm did I lay,
    To bear it with me through the stormy night:
    And, as before, it shone without dismay;
    Albeit putting forth a fainter light.

    When to the dwelling of my Love I came,
    I went into the orchard quietly;
    And left the glow-worm, blessing it by name,
    Laid safely by itself, beneath a tree.

    The whole next day, I hoped, and hoped with fear;
    At night the glow-worm shone beneath the tree;
    I led my Lucy to the spot, "Look here,"
    Oh! joy it was for her, and joy for me!

    MarjV
    January 20, 2007 - 09:01 am
    That glowworm poem is sweet as can be. I love it!!!!!

    Hhere's the fun song~

    http://www.duchessathome.com/childrensongs/glowworm.html

    hats
    January 20, 2007 - 09:02 am
    Hi Barbara, William Wordsworth writes a few Lucy poems. Who is Lucy? Well, maybe later we can find out. Barbara, thanks for posting the poem. He did love nature. I can't decide to find out the decision Anna will make next month.

    Alf, I want to hear your thoughts too about Maya Angelou's poem.

    hats
    January 20, 2007 - 09:02 am
    MarjV, I love that song!

    Scrawler
    January 20, 2007 - 11:43 am
    I met a Lady Poet
    who took for inspiration
    colored birds, and whispered words
    a lover's hesitation.

    A falling leaf could stir her.
    A wilting, dying rose
    would make her write, both day and night,
    the most rewarding prose.

    She'd find a hidden meaning,
    in every pair of pants,
    then hurry home to be alone
    and write about romance.



    I sense some sarcasim on the part of Maya in this poem. I don't think a poet has to be "doing" anything in order to write about it. I myself write science fiction stories, but I rarely leave my apartment. One poet that comes to mind is Emily Dickinson. So I don't think that writers or poets really have to have been on a space ship or been in love to write about it. Certainly, it helps, but just using one's imagination and a little research will suffice in order to get a picture of what happens in a certain situation.

    There are a lot of wonderful posts here and I enjoyed them all.

    MarjV
    January 20, 2007 - 12:29 pm
    Yes, Scrawler, sarcasm, especially in the title of the poem.

    A play on "Immaculate Conception" perhaps.

    ALF
    January 20, 2007 - 05:12 pm
    I wish that I could be more eloquent relating how this poem affected me.

    I read this poem as waking in the morning in this glorious bustling city, watching the curtains dance in an open window. Children sleeping, (the innocents) undisturbed as they exchange their dreams with seraphim; I read as those who didn't sense this joy of the city sounds as it slowly wakens ones own consciousness, from the sleepy night.

    "The city drags itself awake on subway straps-" ah, that brings wonderful thoughts to mind. Can't you hear the hissing and grinding? Listen to the echoes of the many feet scurrying up and down with alacrity to catch the subway trains. I could see the folks of the city reach up briskly for the straps offered aboard securing themselves as the subway accelerates right along with the perseverance of the day light.

    I, an alarm, awaken in the early monring light & I suddenly sense the rumor (rumble) of war. The war is the noise of the streets, the cacophony of the "march against the day" so to speak and I just lay there stretching, unasked and unheeded, reaching out for the day, without a care, unhurried and lazy.

    I guess this is why so many people love poetry. It stirs such memories.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 20, 2007 - 07:01 pm
    Great Alf - thanks for sharing - another view of the poem gives us more to see within ourselves - "The war is the noise of the streets, the cacophony of the "march against the day" - what a thought - march against the day - Wow - I do not think I ever thought of myself in a march against the day - it certainly would get the adrenaline moving -

    Hearing the sounds of a big city when you first awake in the morning is something I would have to be reminded of - most large cities in the world have the sounds but I wonder if that is true of all the large cities in the US - New York sure does doesn't it but I am thinking of Houston and Dallas where except for a very few areas where few folks live it is a sea of backyards, birds and the muffled moan rather than a roar of traffic on a major highway or Interstate Highway a few miles away, along with the swish, swish, swish of vehicles driving by the house. Maybe the sounds are typical of those cities that have a large public transportation system like a subway.

    Well you certainly brought more life to the poem for us Alf and a breath of what it is like to live in a major American city.

    annafair
    January 20, 2007 - 10:26 pm
    Is having the time to come here and read the poems , the thoughts , the ideas >Recovering from knee surgery and on two knees is a lot of pain and effort on my friend and I am playing the "Good Samaritan" well as well as I can but it means less time right now for the things I love...and you all know how much I love poetry, I have been very verbal about how much it means to me...and yes imagination plays a great part in writing..we are moved by our feelings and thoughts and our memories ..

    Alf a big hello and welcome and many thanks for your interpretation of the New York city poem. I have lived in large cities with subways, elevated trains, streetcars etc and if you cant get a seat you hang on for dear life ....and it always seemed wherever I was going was a long ride ...so you hold on wishing you could have slept just a wee bit more...I love your thoughts and hope you will return often and share your favorite poems and poets and your insight,,

    I have made decisions based on some emails I recieved and suggestions here.. I think we will enjoy them all..and regardless of who the poet of the month other poets WORDSWORTH etc are welcome as well as any of your own...a month long study of a single poet has been one of the best thoughts I have had in a long time..reassures me my mind is still working! And the more I read poetry the more I see the world in different ways,. it is like a rainbow ...which color can you say is the best? All the poets and all the poems have just touched me ..they open my eyes to see things I had never seen or thought before ..All of that is enhanced by the thoughts of all...it just enlarges my world

    The poem I chose today means a lot to me ..because I have lived long enough to lose many special persons...So many things, old letters, odd things I have kept and my memories remind me how blessed I am to have known each ..and this poems speaks to me of those who for a time were part of my life and I thank God for each ..anna

    JUST FOR A TIME


    Oh how you used to walk
    With that insouciant smile
    I liked to hear you talk
    And your style
    Pleased me for awhile.


    You were my early love
    New as a day breaking in Spring
    You were the image of
    Everything
    That caused me to sing.


    I don't like reminiscing
    Nostalgia is not my forte`.
    I don't spill tears
    On yesterday's years
    But honesty makes me say ,
    You were a precious pearl
    How I loved to see you shine,
    You were the perfect girl.
    And you were mine.
    For a time
    For a time.
    Just for a time.


    Maya Angelou Touch me life , not softly

    hats
    January 21, 2007 - 12:52 am
    I enjoyed reading Just for a Time. Unfortunately, nothing stays the same. The older we grow, the more changes we face.

    Alf, I really enjoyed your thoughts about Maya Angelou's poem. I am a native of Philadelphia. I definitely can relate to your memories. I like your last words.

    "I guess this is why so many people love poetry. It stirs such memories."(Alf)

    When each person shares a differing view of a poem, at the Poetry Corner I think the discussion becomes more lively, exciting.

    hats
    January 21, 2007 - 01:23 am
    Human Family


    I note the obvious differences
    in the human family.
    Some of us are serious,
    some thrive on comedy.


    Some declare their lives are lived
    as true profundity,
    and others claim they really live
    the real reality.


    The variety of our skin tones
    can confuse, bemuse, delight,
    brown and pink and beige and purple,
    tan and blue and white.


    I've sailed upon the seven seas
    and stopped in every land,
    I've seen the wonders of the world
    not yet one common man.


    I know ten thousand women
    called Jane and Mary Jane,
    but I've not seen any two
    who really were the same.


    Mirror twins are different
    although their features jibe,
    and lovers think quite different thoughts
    while lying side by side.


    We love and lose in China,
    we weep on England's moors,
    and laugh and moan in Guinea,
    and thrive on Spanish shores.


    We seek success in Finland,
    are born and die in Maine.
    In minor ways we differ,
    in major we're the same.


    I note the obvious differences
    between each sort and type,
    but we are more alike, my friends,
    than we are unalike.


    We are more alike, my friends,
    than we are unalike.


    We are more alike, my friends,
    than we are unalike.


    I have thought a lot about this poem before posting it. I honor Maya Angelou because of her wisdom. I truly believe she is wise. I definitely agree with her answer about the similarities and differences in mankind. As far as color, we are a living rainbow. In other ways, so many ways, we are the same. I suppose this is why Maya Angelou repeats the final lines.

    We are more alike, my friends,
    than we are unalike.


    We are more alike, my friends,
    than we are unalike.

    Mallylee
    January 21, 2007 - 02:34 am
    Jim#755 I too had difficulty with this part. My thought is that the poet is also a hanger on a subway strap, which is why she is stretched. She is an alarm because she is full of anxiety about where all the world is rushing to, unthinking, and she wants every person to become fully awake as to the danger we are all in , and ring alarm bells too.

    She sees herself, as a poet, as someone who awakes to the sound of an alarm, and she wants every person to be fully awake to what is needful , instead of partly asleep still, being borne along unthinking, and responding unthinkingly to all the swaying of the subway train on which we are all, willy nilly , being borne along.

    Now I have written this, how unmemorable it is, compared with MA's vivid images!

    Alliemae
    January 21, 2007 - 08:03 am
    Thanks, Hats. I did have a couple of health issues that have been as resolved as they can be at present.

    I see I haven't been here since about Jan 11 and as I 'surf' through the rest of the posts since then they seem so meaty...so full of interest...and about such wonderful poetry...that I'm afraid I'll be spending the next week catching up!

    I have also returned for this semester in Classical Greek and have barely kept up there. Thank God for my understanding and supportive teacher BarbaraP.

    I'll be in and out but still needing to rest a lot as I'm doing additional therapy and taking additional medications.

    Miss you all!!

    Thanks again, Hats...I also feel so disappointed in missing Snow...maybe I'll pop in there next time I'm online. For now, I must go and relieve this back.

    My best to all...Alliemae

    Scrawler
    January 21, 2007 - 10:12 am
    Ring the big bells
    cook the cow,
    put on your silver locket.
    The landlord is knocking at the door
    and I've got the rent in my pocket.

    Douse the lights,
    hold your breath,
    take my heart in your hand.
    I lost my job two weeks ago
    and rent day's here again.



    I like this poem - it shows the two sides of life.

    ALF
    January 22, 2007 - 10:18 am
    We are more alike, my friend.... From which one of the books did you find this MA poem? I love this and want that book.

    annafair
    January 22, 2007 - 10:56 am
    PREVIEW

    Of coming poetry discussions. Using suggestions from emails and posts I have come up I hope with a preview of coming months discussion. As usual I will send a post to Pat West announcing our POET OF THE MONTH with links to the biography and poems of the chosen poet.

    Several emails suggested Longfellow and my mind has been thinking of him as well, Perhaps I am slipping back in time , I have been thinking about the early poets I read that set me on this path. Without a minutes study the beginning words of Hiawatha flashed in my mind and out my mouth. Then the words to Under a Spreading Chestnut Tree appeared and it seemed Longfellow was saying "WHY NOT ME?"

    So Longfellow will be our poet for February. To help you in finding a book we will also do a more modern poet suggested in an email one, TIMOTHY STEELE for March.. For April I like Ogden Nash . it is Income Tax month and I know I could use some humorous verse then,. I thought we could include poems by Dorothy Parker in April as well.

    For May I am thinking of the Persian Poet Omar Khayyam My mind is full of poets I have read ....There are so many to choose from and all are special in their own way To learn about a poet and his or her history, the time period and some reason why they might have written is almost as exciting as reading and discussion the poems. I have just accepted their gifts of poems and never gave a thought to poet themselves in the past ...So this discussion has opened doors and I have walked through with your help and opened up my world....

    Thank you one and all ...anna

    ALF
    January 22, 2007 - 11:12 am
    Dorothy Parker, oh yes Anna, yes. I love that poor, crazy poet. She has been a long time favorite of mine and I am stealing her very own words for my tombstone- "Forgive My Dust."

    I remember as a child seeing my dad at the breakfast table reading and musing over Omar Khayam. I've not read him in ages.

    hats
    January 22, 2007 - 02:54 pm
    Alf, I have seen it in one of Maya Angelou's books. I can't remember which one. The one I posted came from the internet. Now, if I can find the site. I might have bookmarked it. Human Family is in the book titled I Shall Not Be Moved by Maya Angelou.

    I had to take most of my books back to the library. I have one here. I am using Shaker, Why Don't You Sing?

    annafair
    January 22, 2007 - 07:52 pm
    Beloved
    In what other lives or lands
    Have I known your lips
    Your hands
    Your laughter brave
    Irreverent.
    Those sweet excesses that
    I do adore.
    What surety is there
    That we shall meet again
    On other worlds some
    Future time undated
    I defy my body's haste
    Without the Promise
    Of one more sweet encounter
    I will not deign to die.


    Maya Angelou Touch me Life, but softly.

    Scrawler
    January 23, 2007 - 11:06 am
    There are some nights when
    sleep plays coy,
    aloof and disdainful.
    And all the whiles
    that I employ to win
    its service to my side
    are useless as wounded pride,
    and much more painful.

    "Shaker, Why don't you sing?"

    I don't know about anyone else but it seems that the older I get the more I become an insomniac.

    MarjV
    January 23, 2007 - 12:48 pm
    I just read a coomment that this poem is perhaps about domestic abuse. Or is it. Whatever, it shows deep hurt can be in the setting of love.

    A Kind of Love, Some Say

    Is it true the ribs can tell
    The kick of a beast from
    a Lover's fist. The bruised
    Bones recorded well
    The sudden shock, the
    Hard impact. Then swollen lids,
    Sorry eyes, spoke not
    Of lost romance, but hurt.

    Hate often is confused. Its
    Limits are in zones beyond itself. And
    Sadists will not learn that
    Love, by nature , exacts a pain
    Unequalled on the rack.

    From: The Complete Collected Poems of Maya Angelou c1994

    ALF
    January 23, 2007 - 02:12 pm
    It sure does sound as if it wer written in regards to abuse, doesn't it. What wonderful images she sets up for us. The sudden shock, the hard impact, OUCH!.

    JoanK
    January 23, 2007 - 04:13 pm
    On this day, the one year anniversary of my husband's death, I was shocked to also get the news of ZINNIA's death. It reminded me of one of Elizabeth Bishop's poems (which I may have posted here before:

    ONE ART

    MarjV
    January 23, 2007 - 05:09 pm
    Glad to see you JoanK. Anniversaries are difficult. Hope your move has gone well. That is quite a poem, isn't it. Losses keep coming. Thanks.

    ~Marj

    Mallylee
    January 24, 2007 - 02:27 am
    Scrawler#780

    what a strong comment about wounded pride! Yes I think it's more common than not, for ageing humans to sleep less at night. I have also experienced wounded pride, and I know from experience that it is useless for getting anything done.Wiounded pride frustrates me if I allow it to take over.

    Here in the UK some women are being forced to marry a spouse chosen by her family, sometimes she has to marry under the legal age, abroad, sometimes the man is many years older than she. I believe the people who do this custom are always Muslims of the village sort.If the woman/young girl refuses she is punished, If she runs away she may be caught and murdered by brothers or father. All in the name of family pride.Apart from breaking the UK law, and getting due punishment, the family pride tradition is a drain on the family's resources of energy and talent, mainly because women if they are respected as full human beings, can be productive family members rather than family treasure.

    Mallylee
    January 24, 2007 - 02:36 am
    #781

    MA's poems have layers of meaning. My mind flicked through romantic love's wounds and disappointments, to the love of a career that crashes when asked to do something unethical, (or give in for fear of the consequences), to the complete love of Jesus for his people, whose love finally was the death of him.

    I dont know if MA was a Christian, but it doesn't matter for the meaning of the poem, because there are others who have made the supreme sacrifice for other people, or for a cause.

    All loves that demand sacrifice are far from noble. There are terrorists whose love for their cause we say is misplaced.Or the sacrificial actions that terrorists do are mistaken, or both.

    The fact remains, that complete love and trust carries with it a risk. Is it true to say that the more you love, the more you take the risk of failure?

    The opposite is not true, the more you risk failure the more you love, because some loves are doomed from the start and those are sometimes founded on quixotic urges

    Mallylee
    January 24, 2007 - 02:41 am
    I am sorry that brave Zinnia has died

    hats
    January 24, 2007 - 03:44 am
    Elizabeth Bishop's poem is so emotionally beautiful. The last lines literally choked me up. I can feel her fingers stiffening, pushing the pen to paper in order to make herself write the words she has not yet come to believe, the art of losing's not too hard to master."

    It's evident
    the art of losing's not too hard to master
    though it may look like (Write it!) like disaster.

    hats
    January 24, 2007 - 03:49 am
    I did not know Zinnia well. How well do you have to know a person before you can feel the loss of another person from the earth? When I heard of Zinnia's death, I ached. Another person loved by so many is gone. I ache for her family and friends. I hurt because Zinnia went through more than we can ever know. So often sickness makes us want to protect ourselves last and others first.

    God bless you, Zinnia.

    hats
    January 24, 2007 - 04:12 am
    They Went Home


    They went home and told their wives,
    that never once in all their lives,
    had they known a girl like me,
    But... They went home.


    They said my house was licking clean,
    no word I spoke was ever mean,
    I had an air of mystery,
    But... They went home.


    My praises were on all men's lips,
    they liked my smile, my wit, my hips,
    they'd spend one night, or two or three.
    But...


    Maya Angelou


    Are mistresses some of the loneliest people in the world? They do take a risk. Is the risk worth it or is it just cheap, glittery fabric with no strength in the fibers? Hurrah to wives!!!

    (Poem discovered on internet)

    annafair
    January 24, 2007 - 06:08 am
    Zinnia known from AOL was a special lady,The real tragedy was she lived only 30 miles from the California proton beam therapy center. A treatment for breast cancer that cures without destroying, Her doctor never told her of that option and a friend who had the same as she was told. The friend survived without the pain and suffering Zinnia knew I often called to cheer her but it was she that cheered me. In chat rooms she was always cheerful sending hugs and smiles to all ...My small illnesses overwhelmed me so how did she suffering much stay so positive? I am grateful for each day and know it is a gift but Zinnia knew it was a treasure not to be wasted..GOD BLESS HER....

    annafair
    January 24, 2007 - 06:17 am
    When I checked out Timothy Steele on the web I found he had a website and an email address SO I sent him an email telling him that we would be discussing his poems. He was suggested in an email and after reading some of his poems I knew we would enjoy them Still I used the email address and sent him an email here is his reply ( changed the month from February to March since I wanted to give everyone time to find our about him and look for one of his books. He only knew that when I emailed him the post I made about the poets I hoped to discuss...here is his reply...anna

    Dear Anna Alexander,

    Thank you for your email. I'm honored that you and your Senior Net poetry reading group has selected me as their subject for discussion in February. And I would be happy to participate in some of your group's discussions and to field queries people may have about my poems or about writing in general.

    Several of my books of poems are available, in both paperback and hardcover, through barnesandnoble.com or amazon.com. (My favorite of the books is entitled TOWARD THE WINTER SOLSTICE, and since it was published just last year, it's the freshest in my memory.) Your members could also probably find copies of the books in university libraries or in some of the larger public libraries.

    In any case, thank you for your interest in my work and for your heartfelt words about the joy and solace that poetry brings to all of us who love it.

    Best wishes,

    Tim

    I am going to Barnes and Nobles and see if I can find the book mentioned .....and look through my poetry books since I know I have one of Longfellows ....attended Longfellow Elementary YEARS ago!

    annafair
    January 24, 2007 - 06:54 am
    Maya Angelou's poems. There is a sadness , a sorrow hidden in some that reaches me...Her mind is unique and speaks of everyones fears and sorrow ..she writes powerful poems that make the reader think,...

    THE GAMUT


    Soft you day, be velvet soft,
    My true love approaches,
    Look you bright, you dusty sun,
    Array your golden coaches.


    Soft you wind, be soft as silk
    My true love is speaking
    Hold you birds, your silver throats,
    His golden voice I'm seeking.


    Come you death, in haste, do come
    My shroud of black be weaving,
    Quiet my heart, be deathly quiet,
    My true love is leaving.


    Maya Angelou Just Give me a Cool Drink of water before I die...

    MarjV
    January 24, 2007 - 09:48 am




    I agree, Hats. I do think mistresses would be lonely. What a liffe!

    Unless of course they were mistresses on the side to make some extra dough.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 24, 2007 - 10:44 am
    Wow Anna - is this a first - the first a current poet will join us for a bit - how just absolutely wonderful - I too need to get thee to the bookstore - I notice he has a couple of books about writing poetry. What a treasure you have arranged for us... Thanks...

    Scrawler
    January 24, 2007 - 12:11 pm
    Dawn offers
    innocence to a half-mad city.

    The axe-keen
    intent of all our
    days for this brief
    moment lies soft, nuzzling
    the breast of morning,
    crooning, still sleep-besotted,
    of childish pranks with
    angels.

    This is an interesting poem. But on reflection our "brief innocence" is that moment between sleep and wakefulness - it is than we are indeed innocent where haven't as yet thought about ourselves nor the real world around us and are still nuzzled in our disappearing dreams.

    JoanK
    January 24, 2007 - 09:30 pm
    HATS: I'm glad you responded to Bishop's poem as I did. It captured so much of what I feel. ANNA: thank you for sharing so much of your memories of Zinnia with me.

    Scrawler: I love "Brief Innocence". In this moment between sleeping and waking, we are still babies... and still connected to the heavens ("childish pranks with angels") from which we came.

    I'm sorry I've missed so much of Maya Angelou. I hope to go back and catch up. I'm looking forward to Steele. Less sure about Longfellow. I haven't read him as an adult-- I'm curious how I'll feel. Shall we do all of Hiawatha?

    Mallylee
    January 25, 2007 - 04:27 am
    Here is a gem from Emily Dickinson, that I have just read for the first time:

    The Brain is wider than the Sky

    For put them side by side---

    The one the other will contain

    With ease---and You beside.

    (the world of reality is in our own minds)

    annafair
    January 25, 2007 - 09:55 am
    This poem reminds me of wanted company arriving safely at the door, My children arriving safely from some venture , my husband returning from a long mission in a foreign land ...and I too quietly shout Hallelujah

    ARRIVAL


    Angels gather.
    The rush of mad air
    cyclones through.
    Wing tips brush the
    hair, a million
    strands
    stand; waving black anemomes.
    Hosannahs crush the
    shell's ear tender, and
    tremble
    down clattering
    to the floor.
    Harps sound,
    undulate thier
    sensuous meanings.
    Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
    You
    Beyond the door.


    Maya ANgelou Shaker Why Don't You Sing ?

    Scrawler
    January 25, 2007 - 10:39 am
    Just Beyond my reaching
    an itch away from fingers,
    was the river bed
    and the high road home.

    Now Beneath my walking,
    solid down to China,
    all the earth is horror
    and the dark night long.

    Then Before the dawning,
    bright is grinning demons,
    came the fearful knowlege
    that my life was gone.



    "Slave raiding is a crime sometimes seen as a normal part of warfare. It is possibly as old as humanity itself, attested to in the earliest surviving written records able to be translated, from Sumer in Iraq and Mohenjo-Daro in Pakistan.

    The act of slave raiding involves an organized and concerted attack on a settlement such as a village or region and the collection of the region or settlement's people. The people collected are impressed, ie enslaved, and once turned into slaves, often kept in some form of coffle* or pen. From the coffle, the force that has enslaved the people will then move the slaves to a mass transport system such as a ship or camel caravan.

    The many alternative methods of obtaining human beings to work in indentured or other involuntary conditions has reduced the need for slave raiding and it is no longer widely practiced except on the governmental level such as in some South American countries where state-sanctioned captivity of indentured workers still takes place (Erickson on Guatemala, 2004)." ~ Wikipedia

    When I looked up the word "coffle" I was suprised to find that there are state-sanctioned capivity of indentured workers in South America. Maya's poem certainly describes someone who has gone through the horrors of such a captivity. The last line says it all: "...that my life [or the life he/she knew] was gone."

    hats
    January 26, 2007 - 03:50 am
    Elder Grace, by Maya Angelou


    The Grace of these Elders has been gravely earned
    and sorely paid for.
    The winds blew
    The storms raged
    And they stood like pillars


    Elder Grace


    The rains came
    And the snows fell
    And they stood like giants


    Elder Grace


    They live time with such courage
    That they allow traceries of the years
    To adorn their faces


    Elder Grace


    I discovered Elder Grace by Maya Angelou on the web. It is very long. I have not posted the whole poem. This poem makes me proud to be an Elder Black American. I have lived through sad times, happy times, hard times and times when life felt as comfortable as a soft pillow. I find myself still grouching about the tough times, mumble mumble. Then, there are other days I find that special "grace." The times when I know all of my life, the good and the bad, is a book for my future generations.

    It takes time to learn how to live a life. For me, it is taking all of my life to learn to cry and to accept. It takes a life time to gain Elder Grace.

    Elder Grace

    MarjV
    January 26, 2007 - 06:28 am
    I'm glad you found it, Hats,

    Did you mean to give the link to the book on Amazon and not the poem? Or maybe I misread your post.

    hats
    January 26, 2007 - 07:02 am
    MarjV, I thought to give both Maya Angelou and Charles Higgens credit because Maya Angelou writes the foreward in his book about Elder Grace. I am not sure whether this is a poem or part of the foreward written by Maya Angelou. I tried to cover all bases. I bet now you are more confused. Sorry.

    hats
    January 26, 2007 - 07:08 am
    Elder Grace

    Probably, I should have posted this site in the first place. Sorry for any confusion.

    This is a line of the poem I love but didn't post.

    The somberness of their eyes is evidence of the demons they have
    faced down and the despair they have overcome.

    MarjV
    January 26, 2007 - 07:17 am
    Thanks Ms Hats for the poem link also!!!!!

    hats
    January 26, 2007 - 07:22 am
    I feel so silly. I should have done that in the first place. Duuuuh

    annafair
    January 26, 2007 - 09:25 am
    Thanks so much for that link ...takes a long time to reach being an elder and takes a lot of fortitude to live through the winds of life....even though like you I grumble ( would we be human to do less?) still each day I find something to be grateful for..( You wouldnt always know that by my posts sometimes) each day I do thank God for the wonderful people I have been blessed to know...I feel a sadness that so many have left and that leaves an empty spot While they cannot be replaced I am ever so grateful for the new and special people who have come along to walk with me..Take my hand and let us walk together,,,and that is for all. anna

    JoanK
    January 26, 2007 - 10:28 am
    HATS: if anyone I know personifies "Elder grace", it is you. thank you for that poem.

    hats
    January 26, 2007 - 12:09 pm
    JoanK, you are welcome. You are also beyond kind.

    Scrawler
    January 26, 2007 - 12:28 pm
    The man who is a bigot
    is the worst thing God has got,
    except his match, his woman,
    who really is Ms. Begot.



    Interesting little poem. Isn't it neat how so few words can mean so much!

    Jim in Jeff
    January 26, 2007 - 05:55 pm
    South American countries still practicing SLAVERY: Scrawler, I believe today's countries are...mostly Brazil (SA's largest country...much of it still in hard-to-access tribal villages). Here's another wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

    It's a too-long article about worldwide slavery, past and present. For OUR discussion, one might just SCROLL DOWN to end of this article, back up maybe 50 lines, then view from there to end. This is tail-end links of their "External Links" sub-section. Some links there are to articles about 2003-2004 slavery in Brazil. The short "Media" sub-section links after that are of little interest to us (can be skipped).

    However, the whole of this "slavery, past and present" article was of much interest to me...so maybe some of it is to others too.

    Why is our Alliemae heavily into "ancient Greece"? We Forum Friends aren't told...can only wonder...but I think I've just found out why: http://home.thirdage.com/Reading/jimva/discobolos.jpg

    However...Allie knows "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander": http://home.thirdage.com/Reading/jimva/venusdemilolouvre.jpg

    Jim in Jeff
    January 26, 2007 - 07:15 pm
    Mallylee, re your post #784; I too tonight can't find Maya's religious affiliation in my too-quick searches. In her growing-up bio, a Church was mentioned. And in my/her Ozarks, that usually meant either a Baptist or Methodist church.

    Maya doesn't today "wear her religion on her sleeve"; but she does let her thoughts in prose and poetry mark her as deeply religious. Perhaps more so, than any of us.

    Here's one of her recent ones I like. Could be sub-titled "When We Come To It" (for its poignant refrain). Was a 1995 poem she wrote and read at 50th anniversary of our United Nations. It's fairly long, so I'll share it here as an optional click-on link: http://home.thirdage.com/Reading/jimva/mayapoem.htm

    Hats: your MA's "Elder Grace" is one great post. Thanks for sharing!

    hats
    January 27, 2007 - 01:21 am
    Thank you for those beautiful Grecian sculptures. What a treat!

    hats
    January 27, 2007 - 02:02 am
    Thank you for the link to A Brave and Startling Truth. I wish those words could hang on a plaque in the United Nations.

    Mallylee
    January 27, 2007 - 02:30 am
    Jim in Jeff that's a wonderful wonderful poem.Her images are startlingly apt, for instance 'the curtain falls on the minstrel show'. Apart from the poem as a whole and its message of hope, it states clearly her attitude to religion :

    When the rapacious storming of the churches The screaming racket in the temples have ceased

    She is deeply religious but not superficially pious, and she deplores the 'screaming racket ' that some religious institutions make of religion.

    I interpret 'screaming racket' to mean , literallly an ugly noise. It also refers(for me) more metaphorically to all the aggressive phenomena associated with religion , from the threats of hellfire from certain Christians, to sanctified killings on the battlefield or in the subways.

    annafair
    January 27, 2007 - 06:23 am
    With your explanation of why Alliemae is so interested in Greek and made me weep to read the poem Maya Angelou wrote for the United Nations..when I read it I wanted to ask IS ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION?

    This is ONE WORLD and we are ONE PEOPLE..If we can believe what scientists tell us , those special ones who study the origin of man then we all CAME OUT OF AFRICA and we should be PROUD to know that we are related to everyone.

    All of MAya Angelou's poetry makes you think, Sometimes I read one of her poems and see it one way and another time I see it different ..each reading just opens my mind to a new way to look at the poem.

    I just re-read the poem I posted the other day ARRIVAL To me that day it touched my memory of family returning from WWII., relatives coming for a visit, my children grown coming home ...all those things but today I see that perhaps what she is saying is the joy of arriving in Heaven, Where the angels gather, and wing tips brush the hair of the ones arriving,,the Hosannahs are so loud they crush the inner ear...Harps sound and HALLELUJUH it is YOU behind the door waiting to enter ...

    Her poetry is truly so profound sometimes you miss the meaning and the beauty of it ...

    anna

    Scrawler
    January 27, 2007 - 09:56 am
    Midwives and winding sheets
    know birthing is hard
    and dying is mean
    and living's a trial in between

    Why do we journey, muttering
    like rumors among the stars?
    Is a dimension lost?
    Is it love?



    Is that what's in between - LOVE! Than how can it be a trial - but many times that's exactly what it is.

    hats
    January 28, 2007 - 02:23 am
    Refusal


    Beloved,
    In what other lives or lands
    Have I known your lips
    Your Hands
    Your Laughter brave
    Irreverent.
    Those sweet excesses that
    I do adore.
    What surety is there
    That we will meet again,
    On other worlds some
    Future time undated.
    I defy my body's haste.
    Without the promise
    Of one more sweet encounter
    I will not deign to die.


    Maya Angelou


    One of the hardest tasks asked of us as humans, I think, is to see our loved ones leave us, the final parting. What strength it takes not to be with that "one" ever again. My family was a small one. I suppose that's why I chose to have a big family. I wanted a guarantee that my circle would remain unbroken. I did learn that this giving of life and taking of life is beyond my control. I can only hope for "one more sweet encounter."

    What surety is there
    That we will meet again,
    On other worlds some
    Future time undated.
    I defy my body's haste.
    Without the promise
    Of one more sweet encounter
    I will not deign to die.

    MarjV
    January 28, 2007 - 06:44 am
    I read "Is Love" as saying there was a dimension lost and that was Love.

    ALF
    January 28, 2007 - 07:41 am
    What a moving poem that is. I love this thought

    What surety is there
    That we will meet again,
    On other worlds some
    Future time undated.


    We can only hope. Isn't it amazing that the more personal one writes, the more universal it becomes? What a strange contradiction. Poems are merely truths as poets expose their naked spirtis aren't they? Poems are personal but shared by many.

    annafair
    January 28, 2007 - 09:36 am
    Communication is one of the hardest things to do..seems simple ,.someone speaks and another listens but do we really communicate ...?

    Here is Maya Angelou on that subject....

    COMMUNICATION I


    She wished of him a lover's kiss and
    and nights of coupled twining
    They laced themselves
    between the trees
    and to the water's edge.


    Reminding her
    the crescent moon lay light years away
    he spoke of Greece, the Parthenon
    and Cleopatra's barge.


    She splayed her foot
    up to the shin
    within the ocean brine.


    He quoted Pope and Bernard Shaw
    and Catcher in the Rye.


    Her sandal lost
    she dried her toe
    and then she mopped her brow.


    Dry-eyed
    she walked into her room
    and frankly told her mother
    "Of all he said I understood,
    he said he loved another."


    Maya Angelou Oh Pray My Wings are Going to Fit Me Well

    Scrawler
    January 28, 2007 - 10:17 am
    Take me, Virginia
    bind me close
    with Jamestown memories
    of camptown races and
    ships pregnant
    with certain cargo
    and Richmond riding high on greed
    and low on tedious tides
    of guilt.

    But take me on, Virginia
    loose your turban of flowers
    that peach petals and
    and dogwood bloom may
    from epaulettes of white
    tenderness on my shoulders
    and round my
    head ringlets
    of forgiveness, poignant
    as rolled eyes, sad as summer
    parasols in a hurricane.



    That last line is perhaps the most interesting of all: "... sad as summer parasols in a hurricane".

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 28, 2007 - 11:11 pm
    OH my did that hit me like an arrow to my heart - "summer parasols in a hurricane" - I've been bemoaning here of late that I continue to walk the harbor that I became when caring for others became my life -

    I created parasols that I hung and planted all over the beach often creating a special one for those I loved - I was a parasol in my trust that others would love, respect and find joy in a parasol. When the hurricane ripped my parasols for years after I walked the beach picking up and putting back much of the wreckage of my life however, no courage to create many parasols - I made a few parasols for the grands when they were little -

    Those few words allowed me to realize that is what is missing - the joy of a summer parasol - here I thought I was not being courageous by shipping out to sea on some new venture but really just creating parasols and decorating my harbor and decorating the lives of others with parasols would fill the joy cup that has been empty.

    Wow I cannot believe - y'all have no idea how profound this understanding is for me...

    OK with that two quick poems to celebrate my birthday...

    Birthday of but a single pang
    That there are less to come --
    Afflictive is the Adjective
    But affluent the doom --

    -- Emily Dickenson -

    This bright new year is given me
    To live each day with zest …
    To daily grow and try to be
    My highest and my best!

    I have the opportunity
    Once more to right some wrongs,
    To pray for peace, to plant a tree,
    And sing more joyful songs!

    -- William Arthur Ward -

    Scrawler
    January 29, 2007 - 09:26 am
    A series of small, on
    their own insignificant,
    occurrences. Salt lost half
    its savor. Two yellow -
    striped bumblebees got
    lost in my hair.
    When I freed them they droned
    away into the afternoon.

    At the clinic the nurse's
    face was half pity and part pride.
    I was not glad for the news.
    Then I thought I heard you
    call, and I, running
    like water, headed for
    the railroad track. It was only
    the Baltimore and the Atchison,
    Topeka, and the Santa Fe.
    Small insignificancies.



    I would say there really isn't any insignificancies in our world. I firmly believe that there is a reason for everything. So it is important as you mention Barbara through Ward's poem:"...that we have the opportunity [from another day] to right some wrongs...". Have a great "B-day"!

    MarjV
    January 29, 2007 - 01:39 pm
    I like the line - "and sing more joyful songs". Hope you sang songs to yourself and the world today, Barbara.

    I agree with Scrawler - there aren't "insignificancies in our world". An occurence that seemed that way to me, might , in reality ,be huge to you. Guess it goes along with being non-judgemental. And then I would question - can you have a "small insignificancy"? Are there degrees of significance?

    hats
    January 29, 2007 - 03:12 pm
    Barbara, Happy Birthday!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 29, 2007 - 06:55 pm
    Thanks hats, Marj, Scrawler - a cold and dreary day however, for me a day of introspection that has me excited about the tomorrows... I even found a lovely printed paper parasol on line for $6.95 that will be my daily reminder because I intend to hang it in my house - not sure where yet, maybe my bedroom or maybe over the breakfast table or maybe sitting on the floor in the room I use as an office.

    hats
    January 30, 2007 - 02:09 am
    The Inaugural Poem

    This month has flown pass.Barbara made the month more special with the pretty parasols. I think each poet leaves us wanting the month to slow down. Scrawler, in one of your posts you mentioned the poem written and read by Maya Angelou at the Inauguration of Bill Clinton. I don't remember seeing it posted. Anna, if it is alright, I have posted it. I hope in these last few days we could all give a thought or thoughts about this special poem.

    I have never taken time to ponder the poem by myself. That means I am definitely not ready to give any thoughts about it. I do remember how proud and thrilled I felt to hear Maya Angelou reading the poem that day. I also remember feeling thrilled to see Robert Frost read a poem during the Inauguration, I think, of John F. Kennedy. I wish a poem were always read during an Inauguration. It leaves something special floating through the air.

    hats
    January 30, 2007 - 06:56 am
    So many wonderful thoughts in this one poem. This is "the pulse of a new day." The past is behind us. Today is new. We don't have to allow History's horrors the control of us. We can make our History different, fresh, new and pure. I guess all is needed is effort and "courage" to take the risk.

    History, despite its wrenching pain,
    Cannot be unlived, and if faced
    With courage, need not be lived again.

    MarjV
    January 30, 2007 - 08:54 am
    History, despite its wrenching pain,
    Cannot be unlived, and if faced
    With courage, need not be lived again.

    Aren't those marvelous thoughts. I like how Maya included "faced". We need to face our history instead of repressing it, else it lives to rise again, in our personal lives especially.

    Scrawler
    January 30, 2007 - 09:50 am
    Listening winds
    overhear my privacies
    spoken aloud (in your
    absence, but for your sake).

    When you, mustachioed,
    nutmeg-brown lotus,
    sit beside the Oberlin shoji.

    My thoughts are particular:
    of your light lips and hungry
    hands writing Tai Chi urgencies
    into my body. I leap, float
    run

    to spring cool springs into
    your embrace. Then we match grace.
    This girl, neither feather nor
    fan, drifted and tossed.

    Oh, but then I had power.
    Power.



    Yes, I like that poem about history as well. But doesn't it seem to you that we continually go round and round in a circle throughout our lives. It almost feels like we are "human" hamsters racing around in our own private wheels.

    Now I also like the images of "Love Letter" but I'm not sure of what the last line means. Any ideas?

    Note: I researched Oberlin shoji and I came up with Urs Oberlin who was a poet, but the articles in the Wikipedia were either in German or Russian. Shoji, on the other hand, is: "In traditional Japanese architecture, a shoji is a room divider or door consisting of translucent washi paper over a wooden frame. Shoji doors are often designed to slide open, or fold in half, to conserve space that would be required by a swinging door. They are used in traditional houses as well as western-style housing, especially in the washitu, and are now regarded in Japan as a necessity in looking Japanese." ~ Wikipedia

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 30, 2007 - 10:23 am
    Oberlin was the first college in the US to admit African American students in 1835.

    A shōji is a room divider made of translucent rice paper over a wooden frame. Shoji doors slide open, or fold in half, to conserve space.

    Tai chi is a soft style marshal art intended to teach balance and what affects it that was only developed in 1820

    There is a Greek myth about the daughter of Oak-man who eats or turns into a lotus I do not remember but at a spring with her child in her arms Apollo turns her into a poplar tree which is a cottonwood known all over the south - the cottonwood has strong invasive roots.

    And so to me the power is the slow moving roots along with balance rather than aggression and education that was opened by sliding rather than opening wide and the door to education was fragel not the heavy planks of a door that swings wide. All the soft balanced gradual moving that brings about great power rather than outward strength which more quickly brings power.

    hats
    January 30, 2007 - 01:20 pm
    Have you ever loved a poem but felt lost to its meaning? I feel that way about this one. The beauty of the words speak to me. There is an Oriental sense to the poem: Tai chi, shoji, lotus and fan. Thank you Barbara and Scrawler for giving me a better understanding of the poem.

    Listening winds
    overhear my privacies
    spoken aloud (in your
    absence, but for your sake).


    I feel that she is writing this love letter outside with the wind and writing paper as her only companions. The letter is important, we can tell, because she speaks each private word which becomes a thought aloud to the open air. It is a letter written with care.

    JoanK
    January 30, 2007 - 03:37 pm
    I love your parasols, Barbara. I've bought my first purchase for my new home --a many colored air-baloon shaped kite that whirls in the wind. Not quite a parasol, but close.

    hats
    January 31, 2007 - 07:57 am
    Barbara, your note about Oberlin makes me think this poem is a love letter to education. In the end, I believe Maya Angelou is saying education is power.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    January 31, 2007 - 08:31 am
    I agree with you hats - I also think she is saying that with education and a balanced life there is the soft power that is different than the aggressive power by those showing outward strength. That way the Tia Chi urgency and the mention of the lotus has an impact. Even if we were not to go to the myth of a lotus and look at the flower - it is such beauty that comes up out of the mud of a lake or still water - again beauty from a still and unlikely place.

    Scrawler
    January 31, 2007 - 10:53 am
    You declare you see me dimly
    through a glass which will not shine,
    though I stand before you boldly,
    trim in rank and marking time.

    You do own to hear me faintly
    as a whisper out of range,
    while my drums beat out the message
    and the rhythms never change.

    Equality, and I will be free.
    Equality, and I will be free.

    You announce my ways are wanton,
    that I fly from man to man,
    but if I'm just a shadow to you,
    could you ever understand?

    We have lived a painful history,
    we know the shameful past,
    but I keep on marching forward,
    and you keep on coming last.

    Equality, and I will be free.
    Equality, and I will be free.

    Take the blinders from your vision,
    take the padding from your ears,
    and confess you you've heard me crying,
    and admit you've seen my tears.

    Hear the tempo so compelling,
    hear the blood throb in my veins.
    Yes, my drums are beating nightly,
    and the rhythms never change.

    Equality, and I will be free.
    Equality, and I will be free.

    I can't help wonder if "equality" will make anyone free. And what exactly do we mean by "equality" - physical equality, emotional equality, or mental equality?

    I would hope that ALL peoples regardless of sex, class, ethnic background, or sexual orientation would have an "equal opportunity" to acquire life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness each in their own way - to me this is what "equality" means. But I still ask the question will this pursuit of equality really make us free?

    annafair
    January 31, 2007 - 10:58 am
    January is ready to move into history and I hear February knocking at the door,. It is a cold wind and snow and ice are predicted here.I looked forward to this month and the poems of this special person Maya Angelou I regret my time has been limited ..here and in my life. There were no quiet times to just sit and read the books I bought..and as you must have noted not much time to share what the poems meant to me or comment on what they meant to each of you.

    The poem with the parasols in a hurricane seemed to have affected us all and Barbara's comments reminded me I have a parasol,. Purchased when we lived on Okinawa it has been on my closet shelf since 1972 Today I found it hugging the back of the wall Dusty and musty from being ignored I wipe the outside gently and now it is open ,. sitting perky on the floor of this room. I thought it was paper but it is sky blue plastic with wonderful sprays of cherry blossoms adorning ..much like it will look when the cherry trees that line a street here will look when the blossoms open and perfume the air. the sky will be blue and those trees dressed in glory of hundreds of blossoms..the ribs that support it inside and out are slender pieces of wood ...The ribs on the inside are decorated with thread the color of the blossoms in an intricate lacy pattern ..reminding me that as lovely as the outside is the inner person is what really counts...

    The poems you shared and the poems I had time to read are reminders of the inner person Maya Angelou is.. I will miss reading the poems in the books I bought and not having you to share them ...part of the joy of reading ,especially poetry is sharing. So dont be surprised as my friend heals and can drive a car etc ( he is walking now most of the time without a walker!!)and my free time becomes MY time again and I am reading on the deck with my parasol sheilding me from the bright sunlight and find one of Maya's poems and I share it here...The thought that this is an open forum and all poems are welcome ..the poet of the month, any poet , any poem ......gives us the freedom to share a poem and how it affects us every day..

    I know tomorrow when we leave January;s poet behind we wont forget her ,nor her wisdom. her courage to MOVE ON and her lesson that we can be different , we can move on and make something of every day , every minute every second...my thanks to you all for keeping things going ..always, anna

    Mallylee
    January 31, 2007 - 03:46 pm
    so many threads all interweaving into fresh understanding. Sheltering transient parasols, women in their caring for others role, the change-over from January to February and the speed with which our times pass when we are older, the balance of tai chi All the soft balanced gradual moving that brings about great power rather than outward strength which more quickly brings power.

    The strength like the strength of water that may be passive sometimes , sometimes forceful. but the balance of passive yin and active yang is far better than active yang all the time. For everything there is a season, times to be passive, times to be active.

    May your new year have the strength of balance , Barbara

    hats
    February 1, 2007 - 06:59 am
    I would love to see this fan. I clicked on the word "fan" hoping to see a painting of it.

    Chinese Fan "A Chinese Mandarin presented a folding fan to Longfellow. Caligraphy covers the fan with Longfellow's poem Psalm of Life written in Chinese. The paper forming the fan is thick and speckled with gold; a black border rims the top of the fan. Light-colored wooden slats support the fan folds, and the thick paper is attached at either side with carved wooden end pieces."

    hats
    February 1, 2007 - 07:05 am
    A Psalm of Life


    Tell me not in mournful numbers,
    Life is but an empty dream!
    For the soul is dead that slumbers,
    And things are not what they seem.


    Life is real! Life is earnest!
    And the grave is not its goal;
    Dust thou are, to dust thou returnest,
    Was not spoken of the soul.


    Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
    Is our destined end or way;
    But to act, that each tomorrow
    Find us farther than today.


    Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
    And our hearts, though stout and brave,
    Still, like muffled drums, are beating
    Funeral marches to the grave.


    In the world's broad field of battle,
    In the bivouac of Life,
    Be not like dumb, driven cattle!
    Be a hero in the strife!


    Trust no Future, howe'er pleasant!
    Let the dead Past bury its dead!
    Act, - act in the living Present!
    Heart within, and God o'erhead!


    Lives of great men all remind us
    We can make our lives sublime,
    And, departing, leave behind us
    Footprints on the sand of time;


    Footprints, that perhaps another,
    Sailing o'er life's solenm main,
    A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
    Seeing, shall take heart again.


    Let us then be up and doing,
    With a heart for any fate;
    Still achieving, still pursuing,
    Learn to labor and to wait.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


    Since the Psalm of Life is printed on the fan, I should post it underneath the fan quote, I think.

    Scrawler
    February 1, 2007 - 09:29 am
    I herd the trailing garments of the Night
    Sweep through her marble halls!
    I saw her sable skirts all fringed with light
    From the celestial walls!

    I felt her presence, by its spell of might,
    Stoop o'er me from above;
    The calm, majestic presence of the Night,
    As of the one I love.

    I heard the sounds of sorrow and delight,
    The manifold, soft chimes,
    That fill the haunted chambers of the Night,
    Like some old poet's rhymes.

    From the cool cisterns of the midnight air
    My spirit drank repose;
    The fountain of perpetual peace flows there, -
    From those deep cisterns flows.

    O holy Night! from thee I learn to bear
    What man has borne before!
    Thou layest thy finger on the lips of Care,
    And they complain no more.

    Peace! Peace! Orestes-like I breathe this prayer!
    Descend with broad-winged flight,
    The welcome, the thrice-prayed for, the most fair,
    The best-beloved Night!

    "1839: "Voices of the Night". The author's first book of original poetry is a collection of works previously published in magazines. Containing inspirational poems such as "Psalm of Life" and "Light of the Stars," the popular book supports Longfellow's opinion that poetry should be "an instrument for improving the condition of society, and advancing the great purpose of human happiness." ~answers.com

    hats
    February 1, 2007 - 09:34 am
    O·res·tes (ô-rĕs'tēz) n. Greek Mythology. The son of Agamemnon and Clytemnestra, who with his sister Electra avenged the murder of his father by murdering his mother and her lover Aegisthus.(Answers.com)

    I can't fit the information about Orestes with the line in the poem. Maybe I have the wrong Orestes.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 1, 2007 - 02:54 pm
    sheesh - just hate it when you loose an entire post -

    OK Hats - starting over - yes, the right Orestes - just need to further the story - after visiting the Oracle in Delphi Orestes was told to murder his parents - upon which the Furies afflicted him with madness - after roaming he goes back to the Oracle and Apollo tells him to go to the court in Athens where Athena is the judge.

    When the Athenian jury were tied in their verdict innocent or guilt, she cast her verdict in favor of Orestes. She gets the Furies off his back if he builds a temple to her. The problem is the Furies would have had a go at him if he did not kill his mother and father for not avenging his father. Orestes could not win for loosing.

    I am thinking Longfellow is saying we want it all to be peaceful but we have not control because when we care therefore, we are doomed to either sorrow or delight.

    The thrice prayed for night is filled with opposites - in the Illiad they pray thrice for night so that Zeus would sleep - considering the prayer for night they discuss the two sided argument - hiding from the enemy and Zeus so they can sleep but then there is the risk of an ambush -

    The winged flight could be Hermes who is a messenger from God who can freely go into and out of the Underworld or Eros is the mischievous winged god of love, son of Hermes - and so a bed can be a death bed or a place of erotic love.

    And so I think this poem is about the duality of our lives and praying for peace brings with it other risks.

    hats
    February 2, 2007 - 01:58 am
    Barbara, thank you for all the research done on Orestes and family. I have read your post more than once trying to take all the information in. So often when I read poetry, I see my lack of knowledge about Mythology. More than once I have wished not missing Traude's book discussion on Mythology. I have always planned to buy that very book and go back through the archives and read the posts with book in hand. Thank you again for the research.

    hats
    February 2, 2007 - 02:01 am
    Barbara's quote

    "I am thinking Longfellow is saying we want it all to be peaceful but we have not control because when we care therefore, we are doomed to either sorrow or delight." This is a very powerful thought.

    hats
    February 2, 2007 - 02:07 am
    "The best-beloved Night!" I am not use to thinking of night in a positive light. I do remember a Psalm with words like "God gives his beloved sleep." So, night is a good thing. Perhaps night has a bad reputation. Often we think of insomnia, birth contractions often begin in the middle of the night, bad news comes in the middle of the night, etc.

    Really, night is the best time. It is a time to restore our bodies and renew our thoughts.

    hats
    February 2, 2007 - 02:09 am
    "the popular book supports Longfellow's opinion that poetry should be "an instrument for improving the condition of society, and advancing the great purpose of human happiness." ~answers.com

    hats
    February 2, 2007 - 03:49 am




    There are photos of house in the header as well.

    Longfellow's Home

    Mallylee
    February 2, 2007 - 03:53 am
    Hats, I doubt if happiness is by itself desirable. If happiness were all that a ggod society conferred on its citizens, we could all be on tranquillisers for life. Problem solved!

    I think that a good society is wide awake to INEVITABLE unhappiness, and works to alleviate it, especially among the underprivileged

    hats
    February 2, 2007 - 04:02 am
    Mallylee, I guess it is according to how we define "happiness." If by happiness, we are just thinking of our material luxuries, then, we are way off the mark. I think "happiness" would involve seeing every hungry child fed, every homeless person off the street, all crime stopped, the curing of health problems, etc. In other words the destruction of all social ills is my idea of happiness. As long as any part of society suffers, can any person truly experience daily happiness? I can't.

    Éloïse De Pelteau
    February 2, 2007 - 08:01 am
    Delighted to drop in and find everybody I know. I plan to read poetry every day so thank you for posting poems for me to enjoy, it sooths my day as I have to stay home to nurse a cold.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 2, 2007 - 09:38 am
    Interesting - the question - what is happiness - the Constitution which Longfellow would be conscious of says the pursuit of Happiness - and so we as a nation are about the equal opportunity to pursue happiness - but where to me the poem falls short of that kind of thinking is the word delight because it appears we are not 'delighted' with happiness just being about delight or, happiness as the absence of sorrow.

    There are many definitions for happiness offered by online dictionaries - this one says;
    happiness - noun
    A condition of supreme well-being and good spirits: beatitude, blessedness, bliss, cheer, cheerfulness, felicity, gladness, joy, joyfulness. See happy/unhappy.

    hmmm by including blessedness and beatitude the word is taken into action - wow we could contemplate happiness and the actions towards happiness for days couldn't we...

    Scrawler
    February 2, 2007 - 09:48 am
    The night is come, but not too soon;
    And sinking silently,
    All silently, the little moon
    Drops down behind the sky.

    There is no light in earth or heaven
    But the cold light of stars;
    And the first watch of night is given
    To the red planet Mars.

    Is it the tender star of love?
    The star of love and dreams?
    Oh no! from that blue tent above
    A hero's armor gleams,

    And earnest thoughts within me rise,
    When I behold afar,
    Suspended in the evening skies,
    The shield of that red star.

    O star of strength! I see thee stand
    And smile upon my pain;
    Thou beckonest with thy mailed hand,
    And I am strong again.

    Within my breast there is no light
    But the cold light of stars;
    I give the firs watch of the night
    To the red planet Mars.

    The star of the unconquered will,
    He rises in my breast,
    Serene, and resolute, and still,
    And calm, and self-possessed.

    And thou, too, whosoe'er thou art,
    That readest this brief psalm,
    As one by one thy hopes depart,
    Be resolute and calm.

    Oh, fear not in a world like this,
    And thou shalt know erelong,
    Know how sublime a thing it is
    To suffer and be strong.

    from "Voices of the Night" (1839)

    I believe that the references to "Mars" who in Roman mythology was the god of War refers to the coming American Civil War or perhaps the Mexian War of 1849.

    "...the popular book [Voices of the Night] supports Longfellow's opinion that poetry should be "an instrument for improving the condition of society, and advancing the great purpose of human happiness." ~ answers.com.

    I think that what Longfellow was trying to say was that there are times when we have to fight for what we believe in "...Know how sublime a thing it is to suffer and be strong." This is certainly an idealistic approach to war.

    annafair
    February 2, 2007 - 07:34 pm
    And thanks for the poems posted the first two were ones I memorized when I was young..I can still do both almost in thier entirety So then we must be up and doing with a heart for any fate , Still achieving still pursuing and Orestes like I breathe this prayer Descend with broad winged flight The best, the beloved night.. That may be wrong but it is I remember and I know that Psalm of Life became something my mind remembered when I was down..and for me the best beloved night was the time I recieved comfort and peace ...at least for a little while and I also think ( I dont have a copy in front of me ) but think I may have also felt that night could also mean death and at the end of life it would be beloved..

    Well I am going to post the poem I chose for today because I am weary of cold weather, and wind chills in the teens and dark days.//the only cheerful look outdoors are my crocus blooming and the daffies reaching for the sky...so here is the poem I offer ..anna

    An April Day

    When the warm sun, that brings
    Seed-time and harvest, has returned again,
    'T is sweet to visit the still wood, where springs
    The first flower of the plain.


    I love the season well,
    When forest glades are teeming with bright forms,
    Nor dark and many-folded clouds foretell
    The coming-on of storms.


    From the earth's loosened mould
    The sapling draws its sustenance, and thrives;
    Though stricken to the heart with winter's cold,
    The drooping tree revives.


    The softly-warbled song
    Comes from the pleasant woods, and colored wings
    Glance quick in the bright sun, that moves along
    The forest openings.


    When the bright sunset fills
    The silver woods with light, the green slope throws
    Its shadows in the hollows of the hills,
    And wide the upland glows.


    And when the eve is born,
    In the blue lake the sky, o'er-reaching far,
    Is hollowed out and the moon dips her horn,
    And twinkles many a star.


    Inverted in the tide
    Stand the gray rocks, and trembling shadows throw,
    And the fair trees look over, side by side,
    And see themselves below.


    Sweet April! many a thought
    Is wedded unto thee, as hearts are wed;
    Nor shall they fail, till, to its autumn brought,
    Life's golden fruit is shed.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    You could almost paint a picture from reading this poem

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 2, 2007 - 09:03 pm
    I love the lines;

    When the bright sunset fills
    The silver woods with light, the green slope throws
    Its shadows in the hollows of the hills,
    And wide the upland glows.


    Yes, just as you say the poem is like a lovely painting... I found this and was not at all familiar with the poem - not the kind of poem I think of when I hear the name of Longfellow...almost a combination of April Day and Hymn to the Night

    Endymion
    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882)
    The rising moon has hid the stars;
    Her level rays, like golden bars,
    Lie on the landscape green,
    With shadows brown between.

    And silver white the river gleams,
    As if Diana, in her dreams,
    Had dropt her silver bow
    Upon the meadows low.

    On such a tranquil night as this,
    She woke Endymion with a kiss,
    When, sleeping in the grove,
    He dreamed not of her love.

    Like Dian's kiss, unasked, unsought,
    Love gives itself, but is not bought;
    Nor voice, nor sound betrays
    Its deep, impassioned gaze.

    It comes,--the beautiful, the free,
    The crown of all humanity,--
    In silence and alone
    To seek the elected one.

    It lifts the boughs, whose shadows deep
    Are Life's oblivion, the soul's sleep,
    And kisses the closed eyes
    Of him, who slumbering lies.

    O weary hearts! O slumbering eyes!
    O drooping souls, whose destinies
    Are fraught with fear and pain,
    Ye shall be loved again!

    No one is so accursed by fate,
    No one so utterly desolate,
    But some heart, though unknown,
    Responds unto his own.

    Responds,--as if with unseen wings,
    An angel touched its quivering strings;
    And whispers, in its song,
    "'Where hast thou stayed so long?"

    ALF
    February 3, 2007 - 08:11 am
    What is Diana, the huntress, doing kissing on Endymion. I thought that that was Selene's beloved? Am I confused, Mr. Longfellow?

    Scrawler
    February 3, 2007 - 09:50 am
    Under a spreading chestnut-tree
    The village smithy stands;
    The smith, a mighty man is he,
    With large and sinewy hands;
    And the muscles of his brawny arms
    Are strong as iron bands.

    His hair is crisp, and black, and long,
    His face is like the tan;
    His brow is wet with honest sweat,
    He earns whate'er he can,
    And looks the whole world in the face
    For he owes not any man.

    Week in, week out, from morn till night,
    You can hear his bellows blow;
    You can hear him swing his heavy sledge,
    With measured beat and slow,
    Like a sexton ringing the village bell,
    When the evening sun is low.

    And children coming home from school
    Look in at the open door;
    They love to see the flaming forge,
    And her the bellows roar,
    And catch the burning sparks that fly
    Like chaff from a threshing-floor

    He goes on Sunday to the church,
    And sits among his boys;
    He hears the parson pray and preach,
    He hears his daughter's voice,
    Singing in the village choir,
    And it makes his heart rejoice.

    It sounds to him like her mother's voice,
    Singing in Paradise!
    He needs must think of her once more,
    How in the grave she lies;
    And with his hard, rough hand he wipes
    A tear out of his eyes.

    Toiling, - rejoicing, - sorrowing,
    Onward through life he goes;
    Each morning sees some task begin,
    Each evening sees it close;
    Something attempted, something done,
    Has earned a night's repose.

    Thanks, thanks to thee, my worthy friend,
    For the lesson thou hast taught!
    Thus at the flaming forge of life
    Our fortunes must be wrought;
    Thus on its sounding anvil shaped
    Each burning deed and thought.

    from "Ballads and Other Poems" 1841

    "Longfellow's second book of poems includes major and popular works. Works that help establish him as one of the leading poets of the era." ~ answers.com

    This poem like many of his other poems paints a picture of what life was like during the 1800s. I see it too as a morality poem - giving us advice on how we should live our lives.

    ALF
    February 3, 2007 - 10:04 am
    I think either I had to memorize this poem as a kid or my father used to recite it. My dad loved poetry and he explained the importance of this poem to me. I would give my eye teeth if he were alive today so that I might ask him certain questions about another poem called Maiden by Longfellow.

    One early AM, as a teenager, we sat and I discussed my fears and my strong desire to "get out of my home town." He went to his library shelf, pulled out a book and started reciting Maiden to me. I must have looked puzzled and he challenged me to reread it and try to figure out what it meant, to me. He said that he had "some ideas" he would like to ask me about but I must first reread the poem and think about it for a couple of days. Lord-- was he a smart man.

    Anyway, time progressed and we sat early again a couple of days later and discussed Maiden. What a wonderful poem and what a tribute to the man my father was.

    ALF
    February 3, 2007 - 10:08 am
    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. 1807–1882

    Maidenhood

    MAIDEN! with the meek, brown eyes,
    In whose orbs a shadow lies
    Like the dusk in evening skies!
    Thou whose locks outshine the sun,
    Golden tresses, wreathed in one,
    As the braided streamlets run!


    Standing, with reluctant feet,
    Where the brook and river meet,
    Womanhood and childhood fleet!
    Gazing, with a timid glance,
    On the brooklet's swift advance,
    On the river's broad expanse!
    Deep and still, that gliding stream
    Beautiful to thee must seem,
    As the river of a dream.
    Then why pause with indecision,
    When bright angels in thy vision
    Beckon thee to fields Elysian?
    Seest thou shadows sailing by,
    As the dove, with startled eye
    Sees the falcon's shadow fly?
    Hearest thou voices on the shore,
    That our ears perceive no more,
    Deafened by the cataract's roar?
    Oh, thou child of many prayers!
    Life hath quicksands, Life hath snares!
    Care and age come unawares!
    Like the swell of some sweet tune
    Morning rises into noon,
    May glides onward into June.


    Childhood is the bough, where slumbered
    Birds and blossoms many numbered;—
    Age, that bough with snows encumbered.
    Gather, then, each flower that grows,
    When the young heart overflows,
    To embalm that tent of snows.
    Bear a lily in thy hand;
    Gates of brass cannot withstand
    One touch of that magic wand.
    Bear through sorrow, wrong, and ruth
    In thy heart the dew of youth,
    On thy lips the smile of truth.


    O, that dew, like balm, shall steal
    Into wounds, that cannot heal
    Even as sleep our eyes doth seal;
    And that smile, like sunshine, dart
    Into many a sunless heart,
    For a smile of God thou art.

    annafair
    February 3, 2007 - 11:18 am
    Of the poem and your memories..My father didnt share poetry with me but did share his values ...I think we were both very , very blessed to have memories of the special men who were our fathers...

    The poem is new to me ..when I think of all the Longfellow poems I did read and many memorized and now I am being introduced to poems of his ----never viewed ..it makes me glad Longfellow spoke to me and said WHY NOT ME?

    I feel my father would had said the last line to me as well.... For a smile of GOD thou art
    anna

    annafair
    February 3, 2007 - 11:27 am
    And found this one,....I recall The Children's Hour but this one was new to me and I loved what Longfellow wrote I am thinking of all of my grandchildren still the youngest only just past one brings joy to his sisters and brother and to me his Nana and to his cousins and other relatives...he is sunshine...!!!



    Children




    Come to me, O ye children!
    For I hear you at your play,
    And the questions that perplexed me
    Have vanished quite away.


    Ye open the eastern windows,
    That look towards the sun,
    Where thoughts are singing swallows
    And the brooks of morning run.


    In your hearts are the birds and the sunshine,
    In your thoughts the brooklet's flow,
    But in mine is the wind of Autumn
    And the first fall of the snow.


    Ah! what would the world be to us
    If the children were no more?
    We should dread the desert behind us
    Worse than the dark before.


    What the leaves are to the forest,
    With light and air for food,
    Ere their sweet and tender juices
    Have been hardened into wood, --


    That to the world are children;
    Through them it feels the glow
    Of a brighter and sunnier climate
    Than reaches the trunks below.


    Come to me, O ye children!
    And whisper in my ear
    What the birds and the winds are singing
    In your sunny atmosphere.


    For what are all our contrivings,
    And the wisdom of our books,
    When compared with your caresses,
    And the gladness of your looks?


    Ye are better than all the ballads
    That ever were sung or said;
    For ye are living poems,
    And all the rest are dead.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    ALF
    February 3, 2007 - 12:19 pm
    I love that poem and how dear to our hearts that now rings.

    hats
    February 4, 2007 - 08:30 am


    Ye are better than all the ballads
    That ever were sung or said;
    For ye are living poems,
    And all the rest are dead.


    My children are my "living poems." What a beautiful way to put it. I just finished talking to one of my sons. It gives my heart joy that my boys all enjoy talking to me. We talked about one of my grandsons, the handsome Elijah. Elijah who refuses to wear tags in the back of his shirts. Yes, our children and grandchildren are "Living Poems." My father called his children and grandchildren "branches." I have truly enjoyed this poem. Anna, thank you for posting it.

    Alf, I really enjoyed reading the memories of your father. How wonderful to have a father with whom you could share poetry.

    hats
    February 4, 2007 - 09:03 am
    The Day is Done

    And the night shall be filled with music
    And the cares that infest the day,
    Shall fold their tents, like the Arabs,
    And as silently steal away.


    I like this poem because of these last few lines.

    Scrawler
    February 4, 2007 - 10:58 am
    This is a rather long poem, so I've chosen to split it up into three parts:

    The Wreck of the Hesperus:

    It was the schooner Hesperus,
    That sailed the wintry sea;
    And the skipper had taken his little daughter,
    To bear him company

    Blue were her eyes as the fairy flax,
    Her checks like the dawn of day,
    And her bosom white as the hawthorn buds,
    That ope in the month of May.

    The skipper he stood beside the helm,
    His pipe was in his mouth,
    And he watched how the veering flaw did blow
    The smoke now West, now South.

    Then up and spake an old Sailor,
    Had sailed to the Spanish Main,
    "I pray thee, put into yonder port,
    For I fear a hurricane.

    "Last night, the moon had a golden ring,
    And to-night no moon we see!"
    The skipper, he blew a whiff from his pipe,
    And a scornful laugh laughed he.

    Colder and louder blew the wind,
    A gale from the Northeast,
    The snow fell hissing in the brine,
    And the billows frothed like yeast.

    (continued) "Ballads and Other Poems (1841)

    What wonderful memories you all have of your fathers. My dad didn't discuss poetry with me, but he did introduce me to science fiction and fantasy - "Treasure Island and Frankenstein". He also taught me the ins and outs of sports. (Something my mother didn't approve of back in the 1950s.) But I think there are similar lessons in sports and fiction that are also seen in the poem "The Maiden". They simply have a different cover to them.

    As far as "The Wreck of the Hesperus" goes, who can read this poem and not remember our own recent catastrophe in Katrina.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 4, 2007 - 11:53 am
    This is my father's poem - along with Paul Revere's Ride - after cleaning up on Saturday night - fresh scrubbed, shaved, white hair against his ruddy complexion, a big man - 6'6" and like a Oak Tree - in good humor he often stood in the middle of the Kitchen and with a belacouse voice he rang out both poems including all the oppropiate dramatics of storm and being tied to the mast and the finding of her body with her tangled hair - with Paul Revere we could almost hear the hoofs galloping the way he recited the poem. When he was in fourth grade he was expected to know both poems by heart and they stayed with him as his pride of achievement.

    annafair
    February 4, 2007 - 01:57 pm
    Many poems I recall from my youth were Longlellows This one is new to me but I was out today at my youngest daughters She lives in a lovely area full of hillocks and trees of all sort It is a gated community and while it is on the outskirts of Williamsburg and full of homes ..they are all nestled among the trees with space in between...A very cold wind was blowing and even with my car heater on I could feel the cold and wind buffeting my car,...This poem rather describes today here and CRUEL WINTER has arrived with low temps and windchills expected all week in the teens are below ..so here is Longfellows view of winter....anna Again I find Longfellows poems painting pictures in my mind...I could see pictures of winter as I did today but then he mentions warmer weather and I too could see the same woods come spring it thier spring attire....

    Woods in Winter




    When winter winds are piercing chill,
    And through the hawthorn blows the gale,
    With solemn feet I tread the hill,
    That overbrows the lonely vale.


    O'er the bare upland, and away
    Through the long reach of desert woods,
    The embracing sunbeams chastely play,
    And gladden these deep solitudes.


    Where, twisted round the barren oak,
    The summer vine in beauty clung,
    And summer winds the stillness broke,
    The crystal icicle is hung.


    Where, from their frozen urns, mute springs
    Pour out the river's gradual tide,
    Shrilly the skater's iron rings,
    And voices fill the woodland side.


    Alas! how changed from the fair scene,
    When birds sang out their mellow lay,
    And winds were soft, and woods were green
    , And the song ceased not with the day!


    But still wild music is abroad,
    Pale, desert woods! within your crowd;
    And gathering winds, in hoarse accord,
    Amid the vocal reeds pipe loud.


    Chill airs and wintry winds! my ear
    Has grown familiar with your song;
    I hear it in the opening year,
    I listen, and it cheers me long.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    Scrawler
    February 5, 2007 - 09:21 am
    Down came the storm, and smote amain
    The vessel in its strength;
    She shuddered and paused, like a frighted steed,
    Then leaped her cable's length.

    "Come hither! come hither! my little daughter,
    And do not tremble so;
    For I can weather the roughest gale
    That ever wind did blow."

    He wrapped her warm in his seaman's coat
    Against the stinging blast;
    He cut a rope from a broken spar,
    And bound her to the mast.

    "O father! I hear the church-bells ring,
    Oh say, what may it be?
    ";T is a fog-bell on a rock-bound coast!" -
    And he steered for the open sea.

    "O father! I hear the sound of guns,
    Oh say, what may it be?"
    "Some ship in distress, that cannot live
    In such an angry sea!"

    "O father! I see a gleaming light,
    Oh say, what may it be?"
    But the father answered never a word,
    A frozen corpse was he.

    Lashed to the helm, all stiff and stark,
    With his face turned to the skies,
    The lantern gleamed through the gleaming snow
    On his fixed and glassy eyes.

    Then the maiden clasped her hands and prayed
    That saved she might be;
    And she thought of Christ, who stilled the wave,
    On the Lake of Gailee.

    And fast through the midnight dark and drear,
    Through the whistling sleet and snow,
    Like a sheeted ghost, the vessel swept
    Tow'rds the reef of Norman's Woe. (cont.)

    "Ballads and Other Poems" ~ 1841

    What a wonderful memory Barbara and I love "Winter in the Woods". How strange that you should be suffering from Winter's might, while we in the Pacific Northwest have an unusually mild day - temperature predicted in the upper 50s.

    ALF
    February 5, 2007 - 10:24 am
    thank you Scrawler for Part II of the "Hesperus." I remember reading that one as well, when I was a kid.

    BRrr--- it is 8 below up my daughter today near Albany.

    hats
    February 5, 2007 - 11:17 am
    Scrawler, thank you. I didn't expect the father to die. Is there a Part III? I had been waiting anxiously for Part II.

    hats
    February 5, 2007 - 11:50 am
    If there is a Part III, surely we will find out what happened to the little girl.

    hats
    February 5, 2007 - 12:45 pm
    Scrawler, is there a third part to the poem? Will we learn more about the little girl? She is an orphan now unless we can hope she has a mother.

    Scrawler
    February 6, 2007 - 10:59 am
    And ever the fitful gusts between
    A sound came from the land;
    It was the sound of the trampling surf
    On rocks and the hard sea-sand.

    The breakers were right beneath her bows,
    She drifted a dreary wreck,
    And a whooping billow swept the crew
    Like icicles from her deck.

    She struck where the white and fleecy waves
    Looked soft as carded wool,
    But the cruel rocks, they gored her side
    Like the horns of an angry bull.

    How rattling shrouds, all sheathed in ice,
    With the masts went by the board;
    Like a vessel of glass, she stove and sank,
    Ho! ho! the breakers roared!

    At daybreak, on the bleak sea-beach,
    A fisherman stood aghast,
    To see the form of a maiden fair,
    Lashed close to a drifting mast.

    The salt sea was frozen on her breast,
    The salt tears in her eyes;
    And he saw her hair, like the brown sea-weed,
    On the billows fall and rise,

    Such was the wreck of the Hesperus,
    In the midnight and the snow!
    Christ save us all from a death like this,
    On the reef of Norman's Woe!

    "Ballads and Other Poems" ~ 1841

    "Although he was highly praised and successful in his lifetime, Longfellow's literary reputation his declined in the 20th century. His unorthodox meters, while contributing to the unique effects of his poems, have been much parodied, and many critics have viewed harshly his simple sentimental, often moralizing verse." ~ answers.com

    Unlike many of you by the time I was in high school during the early 1960s, Longfellow had fallen out of favor and so we I did not study his poetry until I was an adult.

    hats
    February 6, 2007 - 11:20 am
    I shot an arrow into the air,
    It fell to earth, I knew not where;
    For, so swiftly it flew, the sight
    Could not follow it in its flight.


    I breathed a song into the air,
    It fell to earth, I knew not where;
    For who has sight so keen and strong,
    That it can follow the flight of song?


    Long, long afterward, in an oak
    I found the arrow, still unbroke;
    And the song, from beginning to end,
    I found again in the heart of a friend.


    I remember learning this one in school or reading it over and over myself. It is very familiar. I think HWL is saying that whatever is beautiful, uplifting, if lost, can be found again. Good qualities never die. They are just discovered in a new place, a new person. Good qualities are long lasting.

    JoanK
    February 6, 2007 - 02:05 pm
    These are sentimental: but there's nothing wrong with a little sentiment now and then.

    hats
    February 6, 2007 - 02:21 pm
    JoanK, I agree. I like a little sentiment.

    Scrawler
    February 7, 2007 - 09:03 am
    The shades of night were falling fast,
    As through an Alpine village passed
    A youth, who bore, 'mid snow and ice,
    A banner with the strange device,
    Excelsior!

    His brow was sad; his eye beneath,
    Flashed like a falchion from its sheath,
    And like a silver clarion rung
    The accents of that unknown tongue,
    Excelsior!

    In happy homes he saw the light
    Of household fires gleam warm and bright;
    Above, the spectral glaciers shone,
    And from his lips escaped a groan,
    Excelsior!

    "Try not the Pass!" the old man said;
    "Dark lowers the tempest overhead,
    The roaring torrent is deep and wide!"
    And loud that clarion voice replied,
    Excelsior!

    "Oh stay," the maiden said, "and rest
    Thy weary head upon this breast!"
    A tear stood in his bright blue eye,
    But still he answered, with a sigh,
    Excelsior!

    "Beware the pine-tree's withered branch!
    Beware the awful avalanche!"
    This was the peasant's last Good-night,
    A voice replied, far up the height,
    Excelsior!

    At break of day, as heavenward
    The pious monks of Saint Bernard
    Uttered the oft-repeated prayer,
    A voice cried through the startled air,
    Excelsior!

    A traveller, by the faithful hound,
    Half-buried in the snow was found,
    Still grasping in his hand of ice
    That banner with the strange device,
    Excelsior!

    There in the twilight cold and gray,
    Lifeless, but beautiful, he lay,
    And from the sky, serene and far,
    A voice fell, like a falling star,
    Excelsior!

    "Ballads and Other Poems" ~ 1841

    You can certainly hear the unorthodox meter in this poem. It is very musical to my ear. But what does "Excelsior" mean? And what was that "strange device"?

    annafair
    February 7, 2007 - 01:10 pm
    Every Poem posted is one I have read and sadly forgotton but reading them I remember why I liked Longfellow when I was young...They were not only sentimental and I am sentimental but reminded me that life held many good things and bad and that people could be courageous

    Excelsior Why do I remember how I felt when I read that years ago? I think it is because here was a brave person who was looking for the best Higher and to me the device was a banner on a staff he carried ..his goal was to reach the highest HEAVEN and the voice from the heavens was saying HERE YOU ARE.

    Too bad sentiment is passe` I wont go into what I think we have instead but just post the poem I chose for today Oh I hope everyone has a warm place because it has been very cold here and I am thankful for my little stove since the drain on the electric grids caused us to lose power about 5am before dawn when it was the coldest. I even cooked breakfast on it and it was around nineish when the lights came on and the welcome heat from the furnace returned Funny how quickly we lose the house heat in a frozen morn,, This poem reminds me of that little verse we used to say "Starlight!Starbright! First star I see tonight. I wish I may I wish I might. Have the wish I wish tonight ! Here it is only seen for a bit , like Longfellows ..it too soon hides behind the ancient oaks and pines in my back yard....



    The Evening Star


    Lo! in the painted oriel of the West,
    Whose panes the sunken sun incarnadines,
    Like a fair lady at her casement, shines
    The evening star, the star of love and rest!
    And then anon she doth herself divest
    Of all her radiant garments, and reclines
    Behind the sombre screen of yonder pines,
    With slumber and soft dreams of love oppressed.
    O my beloved, my sweet Hesperus!
    My morning and my evening star of love!
    My best and gentlest lady! even thus,
    As that fair planet in the sky above,
    Dost thou retire unto thy rest at night,
    And from thy darkened window fades the light
    .

    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    JoanK
    February 7, 2007 - 08:32 pm
    Amazing how many of these poems are familiar to me -- but I never knew they were Longfellow!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 7, 2007 - 10:33 pm
    I just read Longfellow's Bio - what a full rich life marked with such loss and tragedies. The Bio mentioned my favorite of all Evangeline - it was read to us over days in the afternoon 7th grade - I was enchanted and the story stayed with me so that only a few years ago I took the opportunity to visit the church and tree in St. Martinsville - it was like living in the fairy tale - I loved it...

    I just re-visited the poem and was shocked that reading the first few lines stirred deeply the meaning of the entire poem. Such richness of language - I want to read the entire poem and savor each line.

    Isn't this just wonderful...

    THIS is the forest primeval. The murmuring pines and the hemlocks,
    Bearded with moss, and in garments green, indistinct in the twilight,
    Stand like Druids of eld, with voices sad and prophetic,
    Stand like harpers hoar, with beards that rest on their bosoms.
    Loud from its rocky caverns, the deep-voiced neighboring ocean
    Speaks, and in accents disconsolate answers the wail of the forest.
    This is the forest primeval; but where are the hearts that beneath it
    Leaped like the roe, when he hears in the woodland the voice of the huntsman?
    Where is the thatch-roofed village, the home of Acadian farmers --

    Evangeline

    wail of the forest primeval - oh how that wail must have been felt when both his wives died and then the huntsman could be the English looking for the Acadian farmers or the huntsman of tragedy and sorrow striking the inner heart primeval - the metaphors jump boundaries and are beautiful in their pain.

    Mallylee
    February 8, 2007 - 04:26 am
    I had forgotten about 'Excelsior' until I read it in Scrawler's post. All during my childhood and girlhood books were read more than than they are now, and there were many fewer of them. 'The Children's Encylclopedia' contained ten volumes, and I read and re-read them on rainy days or when I was ill and could not go out to play.

    'Excelsior' was in one of the volumes, and may have illustrated a section entitled 'Ideas'. The poem was accompanied by a black and white pic of the boy with the banner, with a set, pale face as he struggled with the mountain.

    For me, now, and possibly then, the striving and the aspiration and contending with difficulties is what God is. Not an entity that one may or may not believe in, but an invisible and inexpressible goal.Lesser goals may be defined, but not 'God'---not 'Excelsior'-----'higher and higher'.

    Mallylee
    February 8, 2007 - 04:45 am
    Barbara that is such a lonely scene The Forest Primeval.

    I think we are all of us social beings and none can live without human contact of some sort, or outwith a human neighbourhood. The grand view of things offered by science is not enough, and we have to go to the arts, to the stories and pictures and theatre of real people.

    I think this is the strength of Christianity, that it is based on a paradigmatic human being's experience of life.

    annafair
    February 8, 2007 - 06:06 am
    Out of the past ....again I dont know when but I certainly remember the words from Evangiline. That first verse often came to me over the years and I had forgotten the author but not that wonderful description Mollybee as soon as I read your description of the boy with the banner I recalled why I felt he was carrying a banner That was the picture that accompanied the poem when first I read it too...

    We didnt have a lot of books in our house but whatever they were they were read and if I had read them and was ready to read something new I would just read the dictionary...what a world of information My ten year old grandson was here last week and surprise instead of an Ipod or hand held game he brought a book...I barely glanced through it but it seemed to be about an adventuresome mouse....He is collecting books and has a lot of my favorites from the past....I just hope that some of things that children "enjoy" will pall and sooner or later they will become enchanted with books. WE can always hope...anna

    Scrawler
    February 8, 2007 - 10:02 am
    The day is cold, and dark, and dreary;
    It rains, and the wind is never weary;
    The vine still clings to the moudering wall,
    But at every gust the dead leaves fall,
    And the day is dark and dreary.

    My life is cold, and dark, and dreary;
    It rains, and the wind is never weary;
    My thoughts still cling to the mouldering Past,
    But the hopes of youth fall thick in the blast,
    And the days are dark and dreary.

    Be still, sad heart! and cease repining;
    Behind the clouds is the sun still shining;
    Thy fate is the common fate of all,
    Into each life some rain must fall,
    Some days must be dark and dreary.

    "Ballads and other Poems" ~ 1841

    "Into each life some rain must fall." I can't help wonder if this is where the saying comes from. Does anyone know for sure?

    annafair
    February 8, 2007 - 07:38 pm
    I dont know but I dont see Longfellow using a phrase that was in use....today I was checking out some of Longfellows poems and the comments made.. ,mostly by young people and they were from all over the world it was interesting since most of them applauded the poetry because they understood the words and what they said.. I think in some cases you have to grow into poetry to appreciate all different kinds ..but they admired his discriptions and related to the the words that said into each life some rain falls but behind the clouds the sun is shining ..they admired the positive attitude...here is my poem for today and I admire the people who are being inundated with snow and will try to remember it is just cold I have to contend with....anna



    A Gleam of Sunshine




    This is the place. Stand still, my steed,
    Let me review the scene,
    And summon from the shadowy Past
    The forms that once have been.


    The Past and Present here unite
    Beneath Time's flowing tide,
    Like footprints hidden by a brook,
    But seen on either side.


    Here runs the highway to the town;
    There the green lane descends,
    Through which I walked to church with thee,
    O gentlest of my friends!


    The shadow of the linden-trees
    Lay moving on the grass;
    Between them and the moving boughs,
    A shadow, thou didst pass.


    Thy dress was like the lilies,
    And thy heart as pure as they:
    One of God's holy messengers
    Did walk with me that day.


    I saw the branches of the trees
    Bend down thy touch to meet,
    The clover-blossoms in the grass
    Rise up to kiss thy feet,


    "Sleep, sleep to-day, tormenting cares,
    Of earth and folly born!"
    Solemnly sang the village choir
    On that sweet Sabbath morn.


    Through the closed blinds the golden sun
    Poured in a dusty beam,
    Like the celestial ladder seen
    By Jacob in his dream.


    And ever and anon, the wind
    Sweet-scented with the hay,
    Turned o'er the hymn-book's fluttering leaves
    That on the window lay.


    Long was the good man's sermon,
    Yet it seemed not so to me;
    For he spake of Ruth the beautiful,
    And still I thought of thee.


    Long was the prayer he uttered,
    Yet it seemed not so to me; For in my heart I prayed with him,
    And still I thought of thee.


    But now, alas! the place seems changed;
    Thou art no longer here:
    Part of the sunshine of the scene
    With thee did disappear.


    Though thoughts, deep-rooted in my heart,
    Like pine-trees dark and high,
    Subdue the light of noon, and breathe
    A low and ceaseless sigh;


    This memory brightens o'er the past,
    As when the sun, concealed
    Behind some cloud that near us hangs
    Shines on a distant field.


    So many of his poems paints a picture in my mind
    I SEE it clear and understand
    The pictures painted with the words
    He saw within his mind and wrote with a loving hand.
    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    Scrawler
    February 9, 2007 - 09:22 am
    No bay pajaros en los nidos de antano.
    Spanish Proverb.

    The sun is bright, - the air is clear,
    The darting swallows soar and sing,
    And from the stately elms I hear
    The bluebird prophesying Spring.

    So blue yon winding river flows,
    It seems an outlet from the sky,
    Where, waiting till the west wind blows,
    The freighted clouds at anchor lie.

    All things are new; - the buds, the leaves,
    That glid the elm-tree's nodding crest,
    And even the nest beneath the eaves; -
    There are no birds in last year's nest!

    All things rejoice in youth and love,
    The fulness of their first delight!
    And learn from the soft heavens above
    The melting tenderness of night.

    Maiden, that read'st this simple rhyme,
    Enjoy thy youth, it will not stay;
    Enjoy the fragrance of thy prime,
    For oh, it is not always May!

    Enjoy the Spring of Love and Youth,
    To some good angel leave the rest;
    For Time will teach thee soon the truth,
    There are no birds in last year's nest!

    "Ballads and Other Poems" ~ 1841

    To me Longfellow is trying to say that we should live and enjoy the present for tomorrow and future comes soon enough. I love the lines: "For Time will teach thee soon the truth/There are no birds in last year's nest!"

    PS: My cat says hello: sdhngbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb as she walks across the keyboard either that or she's criticizing the poem or perhaps she is only trying to get off a very crowded desk full of books and papers in the fastest possible way.

    Does anyone here know how to translate the Spanish proverb? I took Spanish in high school but that was a very long time ago.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 9, 2007 - 12:01 pm
    I belivie it is 'No Hay' - the closest I get is, 'there are no birds in the nests of long ago' which is close to the line Longfellow uses in English in the poem.

    Mallylee
    February 10, 2007 - 02:29 am
    #886 Re: 'A Gleam of Sunshine' posted by Annafair.

    it is true of my life that there is at least one person in my past whose memory is sunny. My father has been dead for many years, but I am thankful that I had a good childhood. I am so sorry that there are children and adults who cannot look back on some kindly person for a lifelong gentle memory,

    I dont think the Spanish proverb about birds and old nests is true; some memories are worth reviewing and the life has not fled from them.

    However, the Spanish proverb is true in some ways. Too much nostalgia is bad, as my father would I guess have been the first to agree. Moderation is the key.

    Scrawler
    February 10, 2007 - 11:05 am
    I like that ancient Saxon phrase, which calls
    The Burial-ground God's Acre! It is just;
    It consecrates each grave within its walls,
    And breathes a benison o'er the sleeping dust.

    God's-Acre! Yes, that blessed name imparts
    Comfort to those who in the grave have sown
    The seed that they had garnered in their hearts,
    Their bred of life, alas! no more their own.

    Into its furrows shall we all be cast,
    In the sure faith, that we shall rise again
    At the great harvest, when the archangel's blast
    Shall winnow, like a fan, the chaff and grain.

    Then shall the good stand in immortal bloom,
    In the fair gardens of the second birth;
    And each bright blossom mingle its perfume
    With that of flowers, which never bloomed on earth.

    With thy rude ploughshare, Death, turn up the sod,
    And spread the furrow for the seed we sow;
    This is the field and Acre of our God,
    This is the place where human harvests grow.

    "Ballads and Other Poems" ~ 1841

    While I was reading this poem, the book "God's Little Acre" by Erskine Caldwell kept popping into my head. "...The novel was so controversial that a literary board in 1933 in New York attempted to censor it, leading to the author's being arrested and tried for obscenity. Exonerated after a jury trial, the author counter-sued the literary society for false arrest and malicious prosecution." ~ Wikipedia

    I read the novel awhile back and thought it was awful. The problem was that because it was a popular book alot of people got the wrong impression of the people living in the south in the 1933s. I doubt seriously that Longfellow's poem has anything to do with Caldwell's novel and yet the names were so similar I couldn't help drawing a comparison of the two. And there is also the line from Longfellow's poem: "And spread the furrow for the seed we sow." Which is one of the main themes of Caldwell's novel.

    Scrawler
    February 11, 2007 - 08:47 am
    Loud he sang the psalm of David!
    He, a Negro and enslaved,
    Sang of Israel's victory,
    Sang of Zion, bright and free.

    In that hour, when night is calmest,
    Sang he from the Hebrew Psalmist,
    In a voice so sweet and clear
    That I could not choose but hear,

    Songs of triumph, and ascriptions,
    Such as reached the swart Egyptians,
    When upon the Red Sea coast,
    Perished Pharaoh and his host.

    And the voice of his devotion
    Filled my soul with strange emotion;
    For its tones by turns were glad,
    Sweetly solemn, wildly sad.

    Paul and Silas, in their prison,
    Sang of Christ, the Lord arisen,
    And an earthquake's arm of might
    Broke their dungeon-gates at night.

    But, alas! what holy angel
    Brings the Slave this glad evangel?
    And what earthquake's arm of might
    Breaks his dungeon-gates at night?

    "Poems on Slavery" ~ 1842

    "...Although a sympathetic and ethical person, Longfellow was uninvolved in the compelling religious and social issues of his time; he did, however, display interest in the abolitionist cause..." ~ answers.com

    This poem certainly shows Longfellow's feelings toward Slavery.

    annafair
    February 11, 2007 - 09:48 pm
    Who were born and lived long after Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation slavery is difficult to understand,.What pops into my mind is HOW COULD THEY JUSTIFY slavery ? It is good to know there were always some who cared enough to try to do something about it,.

    Our weather here is still cold but each time snow is predicted it misses us ..which gives us an uneasy peace when we read how devastating it has been other places...each time they forecast and it misses I almost hold my breath WILL THEY BE RIGHT someday?

    I chose today;s poem because it invokes a wonderful memory ...growing up in the midwest when I first saw the Atlantic I was enchanted and after a storm at sea the beaches would be strewed with broken bits of shells and scattered on the beaches would seaweed as if the sea had lost the hair from the mythical mermaids and Neptunes entourage ...so here it is ..PS I could not find Timothy Steeles book at the local bookstore so I ordered it on line from B&N Toward the Winter Soltice Barbara has one and she was reading some of his poems over the phone to me ..and we both agreed he is worthy of our attention ...

    Seaweed




    When descends on the Atlantic
    The gigantic
    Storm-wind of the equinox,
    Landword in his wrath he scourges
    The toiling surges,
    Laden with seaweed from the rocks:


    From Bermuda's reefs; from edgesMbr> Of sunken ledges,
    In some far-off, bright Azore;
    From Bahama, and the dashing<br< Silver-flashing
    Surges of San Salvador;


    From the tumbling surf, that buries
    The Orkneyan skerries,
    Answering the hoarse Hebrides;
    And from wrecks of ships, and drifting
    Spars, uplifting
    On the desolate, rainy seas; -


    Ever drifting, drifting, drifting
    On the shifting
    Currents of the restless main;
    Till in sheltered coves, and reaches
    Of sandy beaches,
    All have found repose again.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 12, 2007 - 02:25 am
    I love the word “Landword” However, I am still struggling with God’s Acre

    When I read the poem, it sounds like Longfellow is saying, in this field called God’s acre human immortality grows – that we are the seed spread on furrows turned-up by Death.

    That is suggesting to me that the concept here is that we are dependent on death for not only a garden but for the seeds of man to have a place to grow so that we do not, like the Parable of the Sower, fall along the road, and be trampled or birds devour the seed. Or fall on rocks and wither away without moisture. Or fall amid thorns and be choked. But rather fall into the good ground, and grew, and bring forth fruit one hundred times.

    Longfellow seems to be saying it is Death that prepares the good ground not a godhead as the Parable of the Sower suggests.

    I am thinking, giving all this power to Death must have been as much an assault on the psyche for the times as Caldwell’s God’s Little Acre was in the 1930s.

    Longfellow alludes to the English tradition, which allows you to run through your mind the typical English churchyard type poetry of his time – Something like:

    "When all is yclad
    With blossoms; the ground with grass, the woodes
    With greene leaves; the bushes with blossoming buddes,"

    Or as Sir Thomas Malory, writes exultantly: "Like as May moneth flourisheth and flowerth in many gardens, so in likewise let every man of worship flourish his heart in this world!"

    Ah such environments of life moving in circles of harmony, making loveliness out of the common, and poetry out of the Divine Being. And then, Longfellow makes Death the main character...!!??!!

    One thing in his favor, having studied Death Samplers and Samplers made from the hair of the deceased, this is the first time in American history folks could take the time to celebrate death with mourning rituals and clothes, even special coaches with matching black horses that transport the body to a cemetery.

    But I am also seeing the connection that all that we were as a successful nation was planted in the furrows that was the death of the Native Americans –

    God’s Acre is the concept that was popular for a long time. The US was this God blessed garden, the Promised Land and therefore we had an obligation towards Manifest Destiny as set forth in “All the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Yahweh.” The colonists were confronting "satanic forces" in the Native Americans. They were the Canaanites to be destroyed or thrown out.

    And so we destroyed creating the furrows in the Promised Land making it into God’s acre with all the death we sanctioned. In this burial ground we stand to be harvested along with the flowers that never bloomed on earth – strong stuff this Longfellow… after reading The Slave Singing at Midnight I have no doubt that Longfellow was alluding to the death of a people as the furrow makers for the successful harvest in this Nation.

    As to Caldwell – to me the story was filled with symbolism – digging in the earth for gold – the south was stripped after the Civil War – there was nothing and no matter how many holes Ty Ty dug there would be nothing – it may look like greed that he kept moving God’s Little Acre but he could not afford to dig in God’s Acre – that would be digging the final hole and he representing the South that was keeping on –

    As to all the sex – if you read Burke’s A Grammar of Motives it explains that sex is symbolic of power – with no resources the men are left with the basics – digging in an economic environment that will come up with one empty hole after the other and raw sex as an expression of power in a powerless situation. Will as the hunter brought home money while the Mill was in operation and therefore he is a real man therefore he expresses his power when and with whoever he chooses.

    When Ty Ty puts God’s acre under the house – that says it all – the South is sitting in the graveyard – there is nothing left – they have worked and worked with no return – there is no work - they are starving – all that is left is sex. The South is no longer the Promised land – this is not the place where “All the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Yahweh.” The South in the 20s and 30s was a graveyard.

    Scrawler
    February 12, 2007 - 09:48 am
    In Ocean's wide domains
    Half buried in the sands,
    Lie skeletons in chains,
    With shackled feet and hands.

    Beyond the fall of dews,
    Deeper than plummet lies,
    Float ships, with all their crews,
    No more to sink nor rise.

    There the black Slave-ship swims
    Freighted with human forms,
    Whose fettered, fleshless limbs
    Are not the sport of storms.

    These are the bones of Slaves;
    They gleam from the abyss;
    They cry, from yawning waves,
    "We are the Witnesses!"

    Within Earth's wide domains
    Are markets for men's lives;
    Their necks are galled with chains,
    Their wrists are cramped with gyves.

    Dead bodies, that the kite
    In deserts makes its prey;
    Murders, that with affright
    Scare school-boys from their play!

    All evil thoughts and deeds;
    Anger, and lust, and pride;
    The foulest, rankest weeds,
    That choke Life's groaning tide!

    These are the woes of Slaves;
    They glare from the abyss;
    They cry, from unknown graves,
    We are the Witnesses!"

    "Poems on Slavery" ~ 1842

    Slavery first and foremost was an economic issue. If the white southerners in the 1800s could have depended on a less agricultural economy similar to the North than perhaps slavery would not have been an issue in the American Civil War. In fact Lincoln never made slavery an issue on moral grounds at all. He only declared his Emancipation Proclamation in order to create chaos among the southeners in order to win the war.

    The biggest stumbling block was that most whites during the 1800s never considered another race other than themselves to be entitled to the same God-given rights that they enjoyed. Negroes and American Indians were considered to be lower class citizens or even savages in the eyes of the whites. Even women were nothing more than property during these times.

    It was men like Longfellow and Whitman who brought these compelling religious and social issues to the forefront. And of course the spark that set off the moral issue of slavery was Harriet Beecher Stowe's "Uncle Tom's Cabin." Although not well written and now thought to be pure fiction, at the time it was accepted as truth. Interestingly enough it was written by a woman for women of the time and it was than that slavery became a moral issue. The themes in the novel such the death of child was written in order to gain sympathy from the women who read the book. But it was not until the issue was taken up by men like Longfellow that the country was ready to do something about it.

    JoanK
    February 12, 2007 - 11:31 pm
    SCRAWLER: I like your post about slavery. One change I would make in your comments: it was not just the Southern agricultural system that benifitted from slavery: the North did as well. The cheap cotton produced fed the Northern textile mills and enabled them to sell their goods at competitive prices. William Jennings Bryant said that the hardest person to convince that slavery was wrong was a Northern mill owner.

    hats
    February 13, 2007 - 07:36 am
    The Poets
    by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


    O ye dead Poets, who are living still
    Immortal in your verse, though life be fled,
    And ye, O living Poets, who are dead
    Though ye are living, if neglect can kill,
    Tell me if in the darkest hours of ill,
    With drops of anguish falling fast and red
    From the sharp crown of thorns upon your head
    Ye were not glad your errand to fulfill?
    Yes; for the gift and ministry of Song
    Have something in them so divinely sweet,
    It can assuage the bitterness of wrong;
    Not in the clamour of the crowded street,
    Not in the shouts and plaudits of the throng,
    But in ourselves, are triumph and defeat.


    To be a poet is not easy. I think Henry Wadsworth Longfellow is asking, after all the pain behind the words you have written, was your choice to be a poet worth it? Would you choose to be a poet again? This question is asked at one time by all of us, was it worth it? Some roles in my life, no matter how painful, just fit me. I have never wanted to change that particular role. In other areas of my life, I have questioned, would I do it differently in a another life? I have never regretted being a mother or grandmother. It's been far from easy. Still, it was my desire from the time I was a girl. I haven't thought of my regrets recently. The roles where I wore a "crown of thorns" and wondered how in the world did I get in this place? One thing for sure is that joy in who we are never comes from the hurrahs of people. Soon, the flattering crowd leaves and go home. We are left with ourselves. I must feel satisfied with me when there is no one around except myself.

    By the way, if it is unclear, I do have regrets about choices made as a parent. I do not regret being a parent and grandparent.

    hats
    February 13, 2007 - 07:50 am
    I am nobody. Who are you?


    I am nobody. Who are you?
    Are you nobody too?
    Then there's a pair of us.
    Don't tell - they'd banish us, you know.


    How dreary to be somebody,
    How public - like a frog -
    To tell your name the livelong June
    To an admiring bog.


    Emily Dickinson

    Scrawler
    February 13, 2007 - 09:52 am
    Beware! The Israelite of old, who tore
    The lion in his path, - when, poor and blind,
    He saw the blessed light of heaven no more,
    Shorn of his noble strength and forced to grind
    In prison, and at last led forth to be
    A pander to Philistine revelry, -

    Upon the pillars of the temple laid
    His desperate hands, and in its overthrow
    Destroyed himself, and with him those who made
    A cruel mockery of his sightless woe;
    The poor, blind Slave, the scoff and jest of all,
    Expired, and thousands perished in the fall!

    There is a poor blind Samson in this land,
    Shorn of his strength and bound in bonds of steel,
    Who may, in some grim revel, raise his hand,
    And shake the pillars of this Commonweal,
    Till the vast Temple of our liberties
    A shapeless mass of wreck and rubbish lies.

    "Poems on Slavery"

    You are right of course Joan. John Newton was one such northerner. "Amazing Grace" is a well known Christian hymn. The words written about 1772 by John Newton; they form a part of the Olney Hymns that he worked on, with William Cower and other hymnodists. He was on board a slave ship on May 10th, 1748 returning home during a storm when he experienced a "great deliverance," In his journal he wrote that the ship was in grave danger of sinking. He exclaimed "Lord, have mercy upon us!" He was converted, though he continued in the business of slave trading.

    Many years later he left the slave trade and eventually became a minister. He still held investments in slave trading companies though, and socialized with old slave captain friends. Nor did he criticize slavery in his sermons until much later, long after he wrote the hymn." ~ Wikipedia

    So you see the North were just as much to blame for the slave trade as the South.

    Scrawler
    February 14, 2007 - 09:14 am
    The day is ending,
    The night is descending;
    The marsh is frozen,
    The river dead.

    Through clouds like ashes
    The red sun flashes
    On village windows
    That glimmer red.

    The snow recommences;
    The buried fences
    Mark no longer
    The road o'er the plain;
    While through the meadows,
    Like fearful shadows,
    Slowly passes
    A funeral train.

    The bell is pealing,
    And every feeling
    Within me responds
    To the dismal knell;

    Shadows are trailing,
    My heart is bewailing
    And tolling within
    Like a funeral bell.

    "The Belfry of Bruges" and Other Poems" ~ 1845

    "The Belfry of Bruges and Other Poems" is a collection containing many verses published earlier in Graham's [Magazine]. Some of the poems were inspired by the author's European travels." ~ answers.com

    Scrawler
    February 15, 2007 - 09:21 am
    I shot an arrow into the air,
    It fell to earth, I knew not where;
    For, so swiftly it flew, the sight
    Could not follow it in its flight.

    I breathed a song into the air,
    It fell to earth, I knew not where
    For who has sight so keen and strong,
    That it can follow the flight of song?

    Long, Long afterward, in an oak
    I found the arrow, still unbroke;
    And the song, from beginning to end,
    I found again in the heart of a friend.

    "The Belfry of Bruges and Other Poems" ~ 1845

    According to answers.com: "Longfellow compared shooting arrows to writing poetry." Do you agree with this comparison?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 15, 2007 - 09:48 am
    All I know is this was the poem I had to memorize in I think 3rd grade - it was awful - had the worst time committing it to memory - my mother was exasperated with me - I tried and tried and tried and messed up all the time - I would get the first two stanzas down and the third was so different I never could get it no matter how much my mother tried to help me see it was an answer to the first two - oh it was terrible -

    Now re-reading this after all these years I think it could be anything we do or say is like an arrow in the air - poetry, just our being...

    hats
    February 16, 2007 - 06:04 am
    Birds Of Passage


    Black shadows fall
    From the lindens tall,
    That lift aloft their massive wall
    Against the southern sky;


    And from the realms
    Of the shadowy elms
    A tide-like darkness overwhelm
    The fields that round us lie.


    But the night is fair,
    And everywhere
    A warm, soft vapor fills the air,
    And distant sounds seem near;


    And above, in the light
    Of the star-lit night,
    Swift birds of passage wing their flight
    Through the dewy atmosphere.


    I hear the beat
    Of their pinions fleet,
    As from the land of snow and sleet
    They seek a southern lea.


    I hear the cry
    Of their voices high
    Falling dreamily through the sky,
    But their forms I cannot see.


    Oh, say not so!
    Those sounds that flow
    In murmurs of delight and woe
    Come not from wings of birds.


    They are the throngs
    Of the poet's songs,
    Murmurs of pleasures, and pains, and wrongs,
    The sound of winged words.


    This is the cry
    Of souls, that high
    On toiling, beating pinions, fly,
    Seeking a warmer clime.


    From their distant flight
    Through realms of light
    It falls into our world of night,
    With the murmuring sound of rhyme.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


    Does Henry Wadsworth Longfellow always see night in such a positive light? I love the way Longfellow likens the bird songs with the songs of poets.

    Oh, say not so!
    Those sounds that flow
    In murmurs of delight and woe
    Come not from wings of birds.


    They are the throngs
    Of the poet's songs,
    Murmurs of pleasures, and pains, and wrongs,
    The sound of winged words.

    hats
    February 16, 2007 - 06:07 am
    Hiawatha

    My mother had to memorize all of Hiawatha in school. To my shame, I have never read the whole poem. Here is a link to the poem.

    Mallylee
    February 16, 2007 - 09:58 am
    Hats#897 I loved it! Better not to be dogmatic about any belief. I think I like Emily Dickenson more and more. Thanks Hats!

    Mallylee
    February 16, 2007 - 10:04 am
    Scrawler#898

    However, it never happened as Lomgfellow foretold! When the black slaves got their freedom, ending with desegration laws, America had been going from strength to moral strength, nothing like the collapse foretold by Longfellow.

    America's collapse is more likely to come about by widespread apathy to loss of hard won civil liberties. Passion like Samson's would be a source of strength, not destruction

    Scrawler
    February 16, 2007 - 10:06 am
    Lo! in the painted oriel of the West,
    Whose panes the sunken sun incarnadines,
    Like a fair lady at her casement, shines
    The evening star, the star of love and rest!
    And then anon she doth herself divest
    Of all her radiant garments, and reclines
    Behind the sombre screen of yonder pines,
    With slumber and soft dreams of love oppressed.
    O my beloved, my sweet Hesperus!
    My morning and my evening star of love!
    My best and gentlest lady! even thus,
    As that fair planet in the sky above,
    Dost thou retire unto thy rest at night,
    And from thy darkened window fades the light.

    "The Belfry of Bruges and Other Poems" ~ 1845

    "Hesperus is the personification of the evening star, the planet Venus. His name is sometimes conflated with the names Eosphorus, "bearer of dawn"; Latin Aurora or Phosphorus "bearer of light", translated as Lux or Lucis Ferre (Lucifer) in Latin) since they are all personifications of the same planet Venus.

    When named thus by the ancient Greeks, it was thought that Phosphorus (Venus in the morning) and Hesperus (Venus in the evening) were two different celestial objects. It was the Greek philosopher and mathematician Pythagoras who first realized that Phosphorus and Hesperus were the same object." ~ Wikipedia

    Jim in Jeff
    February 16, 2007 - 03:22 pm
    I've honestly given him no thoughts...since shortly after time began (for me). But my memory-bones today feed to me lines such as:

    Listen my children and you shall hear
    Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere.
    In the eighteenth of April in seventy-five,
    Hardly a man is now alive
    Who remembers that famous day and year.

    Or:

    Between the dark and the daylight
    When the night is beginning to lower
    Comes a pause in the day's occupations
    That is known as the "Children's Hour."

    And how can I or anyone remember this doggerel?

    By the shores of Gitche Gumee
    By the shining Big-Sea-Water
    Stood the wigwam of Nokomis
    Daughter of the Moon, Nokomis.
    Dark behind it rose the forest
    Rose the black and gloomy pine trees...

    Well, more'n 'nough examples of what I'm trying to say: For me, HWL wrote rememberable poems...deep into my memory-bones.

    In later years I took/retook many local college courses for fun (and to update myself in acedemia a bit). American Literature 101, 102, & 103 tried to paint with a broad brush. For example, more time was given to Longfellow's contemporaries Hawthorne, Thoreau, Emerson than to HWL (covered in course by just one poem, his funeral tribute to his friend and former college classmate Nathaniel Hawthorne. It wasn't long, as eulogies sometime go. Just a heartfelt tribute from HWL, expressed in a poem. The last part of it somehow sticks in my memory-bones as well as did the above earlier ones.

    Here HWL is eulogizing Hawthorne. After several other lines/verses, his tribute ends with something close to this:

    There in seclusion and remote from me
    ....The wizard hand lies cold,
    Which at its topmost speed let fall the pen
    ....And left the tale half told.

    And who shall lift that wand of magic power,
    ....And the lost clue regain?
    The unfinished window in Aladdin's tower
    ...Unfinished must remain.

    As usual here in Poetry corner, other's comments/thoughts this month are not-to-be-missed: profound, fun, and many. Our FairAnna ought, IMHO, to wield Editor's cap and weed out our side-thoughts, then publish our thoughts as separate booklets titled: "Seamus Heaney"; "Pablo Neruda"; "Ted Kooser"; "Edna St Vincent Millay"; "Maya"; "Gwendolyn Brooks"; etc.

    Scrawler
    February 17, 2007 - 09:10 am
    Thou comest, Autumn, heralded by the rain,
    With banners, by great gales incessant fanned,
    Brighter than brightest silks of Samarcand,
    And stately oxen harnessed to thy wain!
    Thou standest, like imperial Charlemagne,
    Upon thy bridge of gold; thy royal hand
    Outstretched with benedictions o'ver the land,
    Blessing the farms through all thy vast domain!
    Thy shield is the red harvest moon, suspended
    So long beneath the heaven's o'erhanging eaves;
    Thy steps are by the farmer's prayers attended;
    Like flames upon an altar shine the sheaves;
    And, following thee, in thy ovation splendid,
    Thine almoner, the wind, scatters the golden leaves!

    "The Belfry of Bruges and Other Poems" ~ 1845

    Thanks Jeff for your comments. "The picture that I used to have of Ralph Waldo Emerson was of a cold, plaster saint. His bust up in schoolrooms everywhere; a lot of other people picked up the notion that Emerson was this cool, distant saint. One day, I was in his house in Concord, looking at the walls, and there was a picture of a volcano in eruption - right where you come in the front door. It's very striking because it's not a very good painting, but it's very vivid and very colorful. I kept wondering and wondering about this painting. Finally, I began to notice that the image of fire and volcanoes - the notion that humanity is all connected the way volcanoes are connected by a fire under the earth - was Emerson's leading idea. He came to think that just as each volcano was an outlet for the fire under the earth, so each person is an outlet for the humanity that unites us all..." ~ "Booknotes"~ Robert D. Richardson, Jr.

    JoanK
    February 17, 2007 - 01:53 pm
    Fascinating take on Emerson. I've never been able to read him, though I've tried several times.

    Longfellow misled generations of school children. Paul Revere was actually captured, and never made it through to warn of the British. It was another man, a doctor whose name I've forgotten (see what you did, Longfellow) who succeeded and passed the warning.

    Jim in Jeff
    February 17, 2007 - 04:35 pm
    Scrawler, thanks for your Emerson memories. His was too broad a brush during my 1980s American Lit classes. Too erudite; too stiff (as you'd hinted earlier here about his bust and mid-1800s images).

    Is true that Emerson's pics (mostly drawings but also a few early-photography pics) show a formal, stiff, proper man. And I've so far found his "transcendentialism"...similarly stiff stuff, sad to say.

    However, for anyone interested in our slight side diversion from HWL to RWE, here's a decent pic of him and children Edith & Edward...in 1855 so he's age 52 here: Emerson in 1855

    And (I'm on a roll now) here's that Emerson home in Concord, MA: Emerson home

    And a side view of same home: RWE home side-view

    Actually I found these while trying to identify that volcano painting you'd described. Too many online volcano pics to narrow this one down. But here's one belching fire: volcano

    And here's another volcano that might be the one in Emerson's home: Italy Volcano (I must add that this one is an Italian painter's concoction...not a real volcano.)

    And just for good measure, here's a real volcano in a pic I took from across a lake (safe distance, we vacationers to Costa Rica hoped): My Costa Rica volcano

    And now...I promise to get back to poetry of Longfellow...a fellow long much nearer to my heart and mind and soul.

    Scrawler
    February 18, 2007 - 09:20 am
    Tuscan, that wanderest through the realms of gloom,
    With thoughtful pace, and sad, majestic eyes,
    Stern thoughts and awful from thy soul arise,
    Like Farinata from his fiery tomb,
    Thy sacred song is like trump of doom;
    Yet in thy heart what human sympathies,
    What soft compassion glows, as in the skies
    The tender stars their clouded lamps relume!
    Methinks I see thee stand with pallid cheeks
    By Fra Hilario in his diocese,
    As up the convent-walls, in golden streaks,
    The ascending sunbeams mark the day's decrease;
    And, as he asks what there the stranger seeks,
    The voice along the cloister whispers "Peace!"

    "The Belfry of Bruges and Other Poems" ~ 1845
    "Durante Degli Alighieri, better known as Dante Alighieri or simply Dante was an Italian Florentine poet. His greatest work, las "Divina Commedia" (The Divine Comedy), is considered one of the greatest masterpieces of word literature. ~ Wikipedia

    Which leads me to wonder - are there any Dante's in our world today?

    One last word about Emerson: " When Lowell did speak to punctuate something Willis had said, his accent irked Eddy (Edgar Allan Poe), and he marked Lowell down as just another Frogpondian, his pet name for Walden, where the ducks could not be heard for all the croaking of the frogs - Emerson, Longfellow, and that bunch of sober, sniveling, snot-nosed, straight-laced, self-righteous Transcendentalists." ~ "Poe & Fanny" - Just one man's opinion!

    Mallylee
    February 19, 2007 - 04:02 am
    Cut from the Wikipedia entry on Transcendentalism:-

    Among their core beliefs was an ideal spiritual state that 'transcends' the physical and empirical and is only realized through the individual's intuition, rather than through the doctrines of established religions.

    I agree with this, but as 'not- only -but-also' the empirical and physical. The two are not mutually exclusive, but are compatible in the same person, at different times. I think that all of us do best when we cultivate both accurate observation of how things appear, and also our intuitions.

    It seemed to me that Ted Kooser's observations of nature are accurate while they rely on new and clever metaphors to paint the picture he wants to show us. Intuitions may play a part in the inventiveness that inspires new metaphors. Critics always say that good poetry is original, and does not derive from some other person's style.

    Scrawler
    February 19, 2007 - 08:39 am
    Solemnly, mournfully,
    Dealing its dole,
    The Curfew Bell
    Is beginning to toll.

    Cover the embers,
    And put out the light;
    Toil comes with the morning,
    And rest with the night.

    Dark grow the windows,
    And quenched is the fire;
    Sound fades into silence, -
    All footsteps retire.

    No voice in the chambers,
    No sound in the hall!
    Sleep and oblivion
    Reign over all!



    The book is completed,
    And closed, like the day;
    And the hand that has written it
    Lays it away.

    Dim grow its fancies;
    Forgotten they lie;
    Like coals in the ashes,
    They darken and die.

    Song sinks into silence,
    The story is told,
    The windows are darkened,
    The hearth-stone is cold.

    Darker and darker
    The black shadows fall;
    Sleep and oblivion
    Reign over all.

    "The Belfry of Bruges and Other Poems" ~ 1845

    "The word "Curfew" comes from Anglo-Norman via Middle English, originally an instruction to cover and damp down the fires before retiring, "couvre feu": a very necessary precaution when cities were filled with wooden houses having thatched roofs." ~ Wikipedia

    Scrawler
    February 20, 2007 - 09:38 am
    The twilight is sad and cloudy,
    The wind blows wild and free,
    And like the wings of sea-birds
    Flash the white caps of the sea.

    But in the fisherman's cottage
    There shine a ruddier light
    And a little face at the window
    Peers out into the night.

    Close, close it is pressed to the window,
    As if those childish eyes
    Were looking into the darkness
    To see some form arise.

    And a woman's waving shadow
    Is passing to and fro,
    Now rising to the ceiling,
    Now bowing and bending low.

    What tale do the roaring ocean,
    And the night-wind, bleak and wild,
    As they beat at the crazy casement,
    Tell to that little child?

    And why do the roaring ocean,
    And the night-wind, wild and bleak,
    As they beat at the heart of the mother
    Drive the color from her cheek?

    "The Seaside and the Fireside" ~ 1849

    Even today waiting for someone to come home is equally as hard as it was in Longfellow's day.

    annafair
    February 20, 2007 - 07:08 pm
    From more thab a week of watching "Little Will" my 18 month old grandson,. As you can imagine I was BUSY I did pop in one day for a few minutes and read some of the posts but the little locator told me he was crying in his room so I just turn the computer off.

    Valentines day my doorbell rang and it was my two books of poems by Timothy Steele.. while the baby napped I read the first one..never had time to read the second , but did peak in for a look see. Tim also admires Longfellow and after reading his poetry I am convinced we will enjoy his works..I dont have my books handy or I would quote from the reviews which were very good and true.

    Today I had to do some shopping etc and slept in and took a nap but I am ready to return ..will read ALL the posts and add a Longfellow poem.....Thanks so much for keeping it going here Spring like weather has arrived and I feel a sense of rejuvenation with the longer days and only a jacket when out today...It is wonderful to have dinner with some sunlight still around...Hope good weather and good health is yours ..anna

    hats
    February 21, 2007 - 03:13 am
    I enjoyed this poem especially reading about the child looking out of the window. To a child a window must seem magical. There is so much to see out of a window. Well, in the past automobiles and bldgs. didn't block the view. Children could see grownups passing, the ice cream truck passing, little girls jumping rope, boys with wagons, nuns walking pass in a hurry, trolley cars. That's why I like these lines the best.

    And a little face at the window
    Peers out into the night.


    Close, close it is pressed to the window,
    As if those childish eyes
    Were looking into the darkness
    To see some form arise.

    hats
    February 21, 2007 - 05:37 am
    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1807-1882)


    There was a little girl


    1 There was a little girl,
    3Right in the middle of her forehead.
    4 When she was good,
    5 She was very good indeed,
    6But when she was bad she was horrid.
    Notes

    "1] Longfellow's second son Ernest says of this poem: "It was while walking up and down with his second daughter, then a baby in his arms, that my father composed and sang to her the well-known lines .... Many people think this a Mother-Goose rhyme, but this is the true version and history" (15-16)."

    I am one of the people his son, Ernest, is talking about. I remember reading this as a Mother Goose rhyme.

    Scrawler
    February 21, 2007 - 08:35 am
    The old house by the lindens
    Stood silent in the shade,
    And on the gravelled pathway
    The light and shadow played.

    I saw the nursery windows
    Wide open to the air;
    But the faces of the children,
    They were no longer there.

    The large Newfoundland house-dog
    Was standing by the door;
    He looked for his little playmates,
    Who would return no more.

    They walk not under the lindens,
    They played not in the hall;
    But shadow, and silence, and sadness
    Were hanging over all.

    The birds sang in the branches,
    With sweet, familiar tone;
    But the voices of the children
    Will be heard in dreams alone!

    And the boy that walked beside me,
    He could not understand
    Why closer in mine, ah! closer,
    I pressed his warm, soft hand!

    "The Seaside and the Fireside" ~ 1849

    At first I thought that Longfellow was talking about children that had grown up and gone away, but on further review I think he was speaking of the death of the children. In 1800s a child's death was very common and it was often exploited for sentimental reasons in literature and art. I'm not thinking of Longfellow's poems when I say this but of Dickens little Nell and Stowe's children that die in Uncle Tom's Cabin.

    annafair
    February 21, 2007 - 10:35 am
    Snow passed us by this winter ..and I have to say I missed sitting indoors, warm and cozy ,.watching those flakes But silent, soft and slow certainly did not seem to describe the snowflakes of this winter for those who recieved snow .......a foot is a lot and 10 ft is more than I can imagine ..even with pictures...The picture Longfellow paints is serene and quiet and would be welcome any time snow would fall......anna

    Snowflakes




    Out of the bosom of the Air,
    Out of the cloud-folds of her garments shaken,
    Over the woodlands brown and bare
    Over the harvest-fields forsaken,
    Silent and soft and slow
    Descends the snow.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    JoanK
    February 21, 2007 - 11:43 am
    I love snowflakes! And Twilight!

    I must admit, I thought before we started that I wasn't going to like Longfellow. But wow, am I changing my mind.

    hats
    February 22, 2007 - 06:01 am
    Changed


    From the outskirts of the town,
    Where of old the mile-stone stood,
    Now a stranger, looking down
    I behold the shadowy crown
    Of the dark and haunted wood.


    Is it changed, or am I changed?
    Ah! the oaks are fresh and green,
    But the friends with whom I ranged
    Through their thickets are estranged
    By the years that intervene.


    Bright as ever flows the sea,
    Bright as ever shines the sun,
    But alas! they seem to me
    Not the sun that used to be,
    Not the tides that used to run.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


    Thomas Wolfe wrote a book titled You Can't Go Home Again. I have never read the book. Just the title give me a lot to think about. My son visited my childhood home, my street. He took photographs. Nothing looked the same. The house had lost its brightness, even the street seemed darker. Where were the big pretty trees that lined the hill? Where were my childhood friends? Had they all moved away?

    Scrawler
    February 22, 2007 - 09:10 am
    In the village churchyard she lies,
    Dust is in her beautiful eyes,
    No more she breathes, nor feels, nor stirs;
    At her feet and at her head
    Lies a slave to attend the dead,
    But their dust is white as hers.

    Was she, a lady of high degree,
    So much in love with the vanity
    And foolish pomp of this world of ours?
    Or was it Christian charity,
    And lowliness and humility,
    The richest and rares of all dowers?

    Who shall tell us? No one speaks;
    No color shoots unto those cheeks,
    Either of anger or of pride,
    At the rude question we have asked;
    Nor will the mystery be unmasked
    By those who are sleeping at her side.

    Hereafter? - And do you think to look
    On the terrible pages of that Book
    To find her failings, faults, and errors?
    Ah, you will then have other cares,
    In your own shortcomings and despairs,
    In your own secret sins and terrors!

    "The Courtship of Miles Standish" ~ 1858

    The above poem is part of the book which included "The Courtship of Miles Standish.

    They are threatening Snow for next week - whatever will my daffodils, tulips & irises do??? They are just starting to bloom. One day its 60 degrees and the next 30????????????

    I agree I miss the good old-days too. Only when you stop and think about it they weren't really that good. I don't know wether I'd want to live in a world where change didn't take place - we'd be nothing more than living statues like the one Longfellow describes in his poem. Change is really what we make of it - good or bad its really up to us!

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 22, 2007 - 12:19 pm
    I have been pleasantly surprised with the Longfellow poems we are reading - the few long epics are the ones I have associated with Longfellow and this month has opened my eyes to a man with something to say and who had a deeper understanding of life and loss than I ever realized.

    Thanks Anna for your saying something in Curious Minds about my being banged up - at least after yesterday I know the extent of my injuries and so now I am about the business of mending - my arm only hurts if I try to lift anything and my side only if I lift my arm or laugh and my poor knee is scabbing over nicely - no time for being bored - tons of books to read, Seniornet to post in and notes to send - the sun is out again today and the temp is in the 70s - with that I feel like the world is opening to new growth. Even the trees have finally that look where the branches appear to be reaching for the sky rather than slack and still dead to winter.

    hats
    February 22, 2007 - 12:46 pm
    Barbara, I am very sorry to hear about the accident. My thoughts and prayers are with you. I am hoping you will heal quickly.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 22, 2007 - 01:00 pm
    Thanks hats for your concern - I have this wonderful herb combination that has helped me in the past when I have injured myself - took it 6 years ago when I fell and broke my arm in several places - I was out of my caste in 3 weeks where as a girl in the office who fell the day after I fell was a full 6 weeks before her arm was healed and functioning. I gave a bottle of it to someone who had knee surgery and it helped her heal so much faster. And so I am full of resolve that this is a temporary glitch and my body will heal quickly.

    MarjV
    February 22, 2007 - 01:11 pm
    Barbara, best wishes for your healing. I'm all for herbals or any holistic measures that work.

    Haven't been commenting on the poems tho I've been reading them. Also read "Courtship of Miles Standish" and "Evangeline" which I love.

    ~Marj

    annafair
    February 22, 2007 - 06:02 pm
    It was warmer yesterday and this morning warm as well but colder temperatures are coming back and tomorrow we will be cold again ..In my sunroom is a small wood burning stove..When it is cold we keep a fire there all day. In the evening when the house is quiet I set in front of the small open door and watch the flames dancing about The variety of colors in the flames always amazes me so this poem made me think of not only my little stove's flames but the canpfires when I was a Girl Scout and later a leader ....hope you enjoy it ..and also hope wherever you are you are warm and comfy..anna

    The Fire of Drift-wood




    DEVEREUX FARM, NEAR MARBLEHEAD
    . We sat within the farm-house old,
    Whose windows, looking o'er the bay,
    Gave to the sea-breeze damp and cold,
    An easy entrance, night and day.
    Not far away we saw the port,
    The strange, old-fashioned, silent town,
    The lighthouse, the dismantled fort,
    The wooden houses, quaint and brown.
    We sat and talked until the night,
    Descending, filled the little room;


    Our faces faded from the sight,
    Our voices only broke the gloom.


    We spake of many a vanished scene,
    Of what we once had thought and said,
    Of what had been, and might have been,
    And who was changed, and who was dead;


    And all that fills the hearts of friends,
    When first they feel, with secret pain,
    Their lives thenceforth have separate ends,
    And never can be one again;


    The first slight swerving of the heart,
    That words are powerless to express,
    And leave it still unsaid in part,
    Or say it in too great excess.


    The very tones in which we spake
    Had something strange, I could but mark;
    The leaves of memory seemed to make
    A mournful rustling in the dark.


    Oft died the words upon our lips,
    As suddenly, from out the fire
    Built of the wreck of stranded ships,
    The flames would leap and then expire.


    And, as their splendor flashed and failed,
    We thought of wrecks upon the main,
    Of ships dismasted, that were hailed
    And sent no answer back again.


    The windows, rattling in their frames,
    The ocean, roaring up the beach,
    The gusty blast, the bickering flames,
    All mingled vaguely in our speech;


    Until they made themselves a part
    Of fancies floating through the brain,
    The long-lost ventures of the heart,
    That send no answers back again.


    O flames that glowed! O hearts that yearned!
    They were indeed too much akin,
    The drift-wood fire without that burned,
    The thoughts that burned and glowed within.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

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    JoanK
    February 22, 2007 - 07:52 pm
    I spent today by the ocean. As soon as we got there, it started to rain. but my son and I would not be deterred. I covered my wheelchair with a warm blanket, and he pulled up his hood, and pushed me for a mile or more along the water. We were cold and wet, but loved it. Stopped for some hot cocoa, and came home. Now, I'm ready to crawl under blankets, and sleep for a week.

    Scrawler
    February 23, 2007 - 09:20 am
    In broad daylight, and at noon,
    Yesterday I saw the moon
    Sailing high, but faint and white,
    As a school-boy's paper kite.

    In broad daylight, yesterday,
    I read a Poet's mystic lay,
    And it seemed to me at most
    As a phantom, or a ghost.

    But at length the feverish day
    Like a passion died away,
    And the night, serene and still
    Fell on village, vale, and hill.

    Then the moon, in all her pride,
    Like a spirt glorified,
    Filled and overflowed the night
    With revelations of her light.

    And the Poet's song again
    Passed like music through my brain;
    Night interpreted to me
    All its grace and mystery.

    "The Courtship of Miles Standish" ~ 1858

    I love this little poem. I'd have to agree sometimes the moon can be overpowering at night, but during the day it is full grace and mystery and most of the time we don't even think of it; and yet it is there!

    Mallylee
    February 24, 2007 - 01:58 am
    I am sorry you had an accident Barbara, and I am glad you are healing well.

    I like Longfellow's shorter poems too, and I too am surprised thta I like them

    I particularly liked the 'bosom of the sky ' that snow falls from, because snow does come from a softer fluffier more bosomy sky than the one that produces frost ,or rain, and the temperature often goes up a little when snow is falling.

    I liked the image of the woman seen in the lit cottage window , moving about in the room.

    Of course, I like the great Newfoundland dog and his faithfulness watching for the children who never come

    hats
    February 24, 2007 - 09:10 am
    Slave In the Dismal Swamp, The
    Posted by Orion on 31-Jan-2006
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    In dark fens of the Dismal Swamp
    The hunted Negro lay;
    He saw the fire of the midnight camp,
    And heard at times a horse's tramp
    And a bloodhound's distant bay.


    Where will-o'-the-wisps and glow-worms shine,
    In bulrush and in brake;
    Where waving mosses shroud the pine,
    And the cedar grows, and the poisonous vine
    Is spotted like the snake;


    Where hardly a human foot could pass,
    Or a human heart would dare,
    On the quaking turf of the green morass
    He crouched in the rank and tangled grass,
    Like a wild beast in his lair.


    A poor old slave, infirm and lame;
    Great scars deformed his face;
    On his forehead he bore the brand of shame,
    And the rags, that hid his mangled frame,
    Were the livery of disgrace.


    All things above were bright and fair,
    All things were glad and free;
    Lithe squirrels darted here and there,
    And wild birds filled the echoing air
    With songs of Liberty!


    On him alone was the doom of pain,
    From the morning of his birth;
    On him alone the curse of Cain
    Fell, like a flail on the garnered grain,
    And struck him to the earth!


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow catches this man's pain. It is hard not to cry while reading the poem. The poem is just so descriptive.

    Scrawler
    February 24, 2007 - 10:32 am
    A wind came out of the sea,
    And said, "O mists, make room for me."

    It hailed the ships, and cried, "Sail on,
    Ye mariners, the night is gone."

    And hurried landward far away,
    Crying, "Awake! it is the day."

    It said unto the forest, "Shout!"
    Hang all your leafy banners out!

    It touched the wood-bird's folded wing,
    And said, "O bird, awake and sing."

    And o'er the farms, "O chanticleer,
    Your clarion blow; the day is near."

    It whispered to the fields of corn,
    "Bow down, and hail the coming morn."

    It shouted through the belfry-tower,
    "Awake, O bell! proclaim the hour."

    It crossed the churchyard with a sigh,
    And said, "No yet! in quiet lie."

    "The Courtship of Miles Standish" ~ 1858

    What a difference a poem makes. Yes, I too wanted to cry when I read Hat's poem that she submitted, but now in this one Longfellow makes you want to jump for joy at the coming day.

    annafair
    February 24, 2007 - 02:10 pm
    Seems to be made for a reason...in the beginning I said I was remembering so many of the poems memorized and were surprised to find they were all Longfellows and it seemed when I was trying to decide what poet to share this month Longfellow seemed to say WHY NOT ME?

    I had NO idea he wrote so many and all touch me in some way...By the time I finised Hats offering I was in tears ...It has always been hard for me to understand slavery we can rationalize that it was not new and that the cotton crops would have never survived etc but the inhumanity of it all didnt seem to touch many of those who "owned" them I find that hard to understand and Longfellow's poem paints this with a brush that reveals how it affected the slave himself ...the heart of this cruel practice...I am seeing such an immense improvement since I was a child and I lived in an intregated neighborhood and thanks to my family never knew how many people felt I dont think I will live to see the day the everyone will just accept everyone else regardless of age, color, speech, gender,income etc but it is my dream A utopia ....I wish schools would use Longfellows poems because I dont know how any one can read them without learning that we are HUMAN KIND ..and related as God'a People////While I enjoy poetry of all kinds it is the rhyme that I remember best.anna

    annafair
    February 25, 2007 - 10:22 am
    February is nearly over and among the poems each has posted I have also read many other of Longfellows poems ..finding lines remembered from my youth ..forgotten the whole of a poem but the bits of wisdom and beauty stayed within....The following poem I feel may have been written when he was older and looked back on a life that held both joy and sorrow ..like most of us so I offer it for today ..anna

    Autumn Within


    It is autumn; not without
    But within me is the cold.
    Youth and spring are all about;
    It is I that have grown old.


    Birds are darting through the air,
    Singing, building without rest;
    Life is stirring everywhere,
    Save within my lonely breast.


    There is silence: the dead leaves
    Fall and rustle and are still;
    Beats no flail upon the sheaves,
    Comes no murmur from the mill.


    Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

    Scrawler
    February 25, 2007 - 10:38 am
    Come to me, O ye children!
    For I hear you at your play,
    And the questions that perplexed me
    Have vanished quite away.

    Ye open the eastern windows,
    That look towards the sun,
    Where thoughts are singing swallows
    And the brooks of morning run.

    In your hearts are the birds and the sunshine,
    In your thoughts the brooklet's flow,
    But in my mine is the wind of Autumn
    And the first fall of the snow.

    Ah! what would the world be to us
    If the children were no more?
    We should dread the desert behind us
    Worse than the dark before.

    What the leaves are to the forest,
    With light and air for food,
    Ere their sweet and tender juices
    Have been hardened into wood,-

    That to the world are children;
    Through them it feels the glow
    Of a brighter and sunnier climate
    Than reaches the trunks below.

    Come to me, O ye children!
    And whisper in my ear
    What the birds and the winds are singing
    In your sunny atmosphere.

    For what are all our contrivings,
    And the wisdom of our books,
    When compared with your caresses,
    And the gladness of your looks?

    Ye are better than all the ballads
    That ever were sung or said;
    For ye are living poems,
    And all the rest are dead.

    "The Courtship of Miles Standish" ~ 1858

    I love those last few lines: "For ye are living poems/and all the rest are dead."

    Scrawler
    February 26, 2007 - 11:33 am
    Out of the bosom of the Air,
    Out of the cloud-folds of her garments shaken,
    Over the wood lands brown and bare,
    Over the harvest-fields forsaken,
    Silent, and soft, and slow
    Descends the snow.

    Even as our cloudy fancies take
    Suddenly shape in some divine expression,
    Even as the troubled heart doth make
    In the white countenance of confession,
    The troubled sky reveals
    The grief it feels.

    This is the poem of the air,
    Slowly in silent syllables recorded;
    This is the secret of despair,
    Long in its cloudy bosom hoarded,
    Now whispered and revealed
    To wood and field.

    "Poems 1850-1863"

    I selected this poem because the weather people that BE are calling for snow here in Hillsboro over the next few days. Very confusing for flowers, cats & humans alike. Let there be Spring now!

    hats
    February 27, 2007 - 03:25 am
    I love Children by Longfellow. Just watching children is so funny. Plus, they can teach the oldest person so much. Thank you for posting it, Scrawler.

    hats
    February 27, 2007 - 03:35 am
    Wapentake
    To Alfred Tennyson


    Poet! I come to touch thy lance with mine;
    Not as a knight, who on the listed field
    Of tourney touched his adversary's shield
    In token of defiance, but in sign
    Of homage to the mastery, which is thine,
    In English song; nor will I keep concealed,
    And voiceless as a rivulet frost-congealed,
    My admiration for thy verse divine.
    Not of the howling dervishes of song,
    Who craze the brain with their delirious dance,
    Art thou, O sweet historian of the heart!
    Therefore to thee the laurel-leaves belong,
    To thee our love and our allegiance,
    For thy allegiance to the poet's art.


    I do not know what the word of the title means. I would like to know. Anyway, I love the poem Henry Wadsworth Longfellow has written in remembrance of Alfred Tennyson. Since I do not know Tennyson well, I focused on our love for poets here at the Poetry Corner. Reading this poem made me thankful for Anna giving us the chance to meet new poets and old poets. We have the chance to praise the poets for the beautiful inspiration they have so freely given through their pens.

    O sweet historian of the heart!
    Therefore to thee the laurel-leaves belong,
    To thee our love and our allegiance,
    For thy allegiance to the poet's art.

    hats
    February 27, 2007 - 03:37 am
    I am sorry we missed the chance to talk about Hiawatha. I had so looked forward to the posters bringing some lines of it to share or give help in breaking down its hard parts. There is never enough time.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 27, 2007 - 12:44 pm
    hats this Wikipeadia site has much interesting information about the poem Hiawatha. Following the links is a couple of hour adventure - I did not know that Hiawatha was fashioned as a God who would clear the land and teach the art of peace. Another bit of information, Longfellow created the poem from the work of Henry Rowe Schoolcraft, who was married to a women whose mother was a native American Indian. But then there was also a real Hiawatha, a leader of the Iroquois Confederation. Hiawatha, background information

    hats
    February 27, 2007 - 01:27 pm
    Barbara, thank you for the link.

    Scrawler
    February 27, 2007 - 02:39 pm
    O gift of God! O perfect day:
    Whereon shall no man work, but play;
    Whereon it is enough for me,
    Not to be doing, but to be!

    Through every fibre of my brain,
    Through every nerve, through every vein,
    I feel the electric thrill, the touch
    Of life, that seems almost too much.

    I hear the wind among the trees
    Playing celestial symphonies;
    I see the branches downward bent,
    Like keys of some great instrument.

    And over me unrolls on high
    The splendid scenery of the sky,
    Where through a sapphire sea the sun
    Sails like a golden galleon,

    Towards yonder cloud-land in the West,
    Towards yonder Islands of the Blest,
    Whose steep sierra far uplifts
    Its craggy summits white with drifts.

    Blow, winds! and waft through all the rooms
    The snow-flakes of the cherry-blooms!
    Blow, winds! and bend within my reach
    The fiery blossoms of the peach!

    O Life and Love! O happy throng,
    Of thoughts, whose only speech is song!
    O heart of man! canst thou not be
    Blithe as the air is, and as free?

    "Poems 1859-1863"

    Oh! What a day we've had here in Hillsboro, Oregon! First we had snow swirling in high winds and than we had snow and sunshine and now we have rain with high winds once again. I just went out to get the mail and I had to try at least three times to get back to my apartment building the wind was blowing so hard. Where's Christopher Robin when you need him; not to mention Pooh Bear as well!

    Jim in Jeff
    February 27, 2007 - 04:14 pm
    Hats, I too like HWL's words in his tribute to Tennyson. But then, I am finding myself partial to most poetic "tributes" lately.

    I think HWL used the title word "Wapentake" in reference to the poem's first line: "I come to touch thy lance with mine." It seems to me that Wapentake was both a division of administration in 17th century England (each wapentake about a hundred households)...and the term also referred to the usual means by which each division would "vote" on a local issue (by meeting and raising weapons in unison...perhaps on horseback, I suspect and like to envision).

    Here's two links I found about "wapentake." See what YOU think...?

    http://members.aol.com/wryorks/wapen.htm

    http://vision.edina.ac.uk:8698/types/status_page.jsp?unit_status=Wap

    JoanK
    February 27, 2007 - 09:21 pm
    "Where's Christopher Robin when you need him; not to mention Pooh Bear as well!"

    Right here.

    "The more it snows (tiddly-pom)

    The more it goes(tiddly-pom)

    The more it goes(tiddly-pom)

    On snowing" AA Milne.

    (Quoted from memory -- hope I got it right).

    That should be the motto of this winter!!

    Scrawler
    February 28, 2007 - 09:12 am
    Labor with what zeal we will,
    Something still remains undone,
    Something uncompleted still,
    Waits the rising of the sun.

    By the bedside, on the stair,
    At the threshold, near the gates,
    With its menace or its prayer,
    Like a mendicant it waits;

    Waits, and will not go away;
    Waits, and will not be gainsaid;
    By the cares of yesterday
    Each to-day is heavier made;

    Till at length the burden seems
    Greater than our strength can bear,
    Heavy as the weight of dreams,
    Pressing on us everywhere.

    And we stand from day to day,
    Like the dwarfs of times gone by,
    Who, as Northern legends say,
    On the shoulders held the sky.

    "Poems 1859-1863"

    Thanks Joan for your words - I had forgotten them. I have enjoyed this month of Longfellow. Although I never memorized some of his longer poems as some of you did, I was familiar with most of them. But I have to say that I think I enjoyed some of his shorter poems better. I always pictured Longfellow as this old man with these majestic thoughts and yet some of his shorter poems have subjects that are quite down to earth and ones that we can all relate to. Take this one - "Something Left Undone" - I can't tell you how much I recognize this one - and yes there are times that I fell like the "drawfs of time gone by" with not only the weight of the sky on my shoulders, but also the world.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 28, 2007 - 10:47 am
    Scrawler thank you - everyday I looked forward to your daily post of another Longfellow Poem - I am grateful for your contribution - and I agree these shorter poems said so much that was unexpected. I only associated Longfellow with his epic poems that told a story where as these shorter poems tell us more about the man, his philosophy of life, his values and the times in which he lived.

    BIRDS OF PASSAGE

    Black shadows fall
    From the lindens tall,
    That lift aloft their massive wall
    Against the southern sky;
    And from the realms
    Of the shadowy elms
    A tide-like darkness overwhelms
    The fields that round us lie.
    But the night is fair,
    And everywhere
    A warm, soft vapor fills the air,
    And distant sounds seem near,
    And above, in the light
    Of the star-lit night,
    Swift birds of passage wing their flight
    Through the dewy atmosphere.
    I hear the beat
    Of their pinions fleet,
    As from the land of snow and sleet
    They seek a southern lea.
    I hear the cry
    Of their voices high
    Falling dreamily through the sky,
    But their forms I cannot see.
    O, say not so!
    Those sounds that flow
    In murmurs of delight and woe
    Come not from wings of birds.
    They are the throngs
    Of the poet's songs,
    Murmurs of pleasures, and pains, and wrongs,
    The sound of winged words.
    This is the cry
    Of souls, that high
    On toiling, beating pinions, fly,
    Seeking a warmer clime,
    From their distant flight
    Through realms of light
    It falls into our world of night,
    With the murmuring sound of rhyme.
    We certainly have warmer climes here in this poetry discussion!

    hats
    February 28, 2007 - 01:29 pm
    Thank you very much for answering my question about Wapentake. Thank you taking time to find links as well. I am holding on to this part of the information.

    "The word is Scandinavian and refers to the brandishing of weapons to signify assent in a popular assembly or meeting."

    To me that fits the beginning of the poem, I think. (The Vision of Britain through Time).

    Jim in Jeff
    February 28, 2007 - 05:36 pm

    annafair
    February 28, 2007 - 10:05 pm
    Longfellow fufilled my hope of re-discovering an OLD FRIEND and finding new poems I had never read. Somehow I expected to also find him OLD FASHIONED and yet he writes poems about things that could be of today..I THINK MY real problem is I am recognizing I am getting old and I read and memorized his poems it seems a thousand years ago.

    Our new poet for March also writes in rhyme..but it feels new and young and makes me want to read more. I have finished his latest Toward the WInter Solstice and am enjoying peeking into Sapphics and Uncertainties. This is his second poem in the first book and when I had finished reading it I SAID OH YES I AM GOING TO ENJOY THIS MONTH

    The best thing about growing old is remembering...you get live it all over in your mind...yes the bad as well as the good but the good memories lift you up..see what you think of this poem

    Joanna, Wading


    Too frail to swim, she nonetheless
    Gingerly lifts her cotton dress
    Clear of the lake, so she can wade
    Where the descending sun has laid
    A net of rippling, molten bands
    Across the underwater sands .


    Her toes dig, curling , in the cool
    And fine-grained bottom; minnows school
    Before her, tautly unified
    In their suspended flash -and-glide;
    Blue-brilliantly, a dragonfly
    Encounters and skims round her thigh.


    Despite age, all this still occurs.
    The sun's companionably hers.
    Its warmth suffusing blood and flesh ,
    While its light casts the mobile mesh
    Whose glowing cords she swam among
    In summertime when she was young.


    Timothy Steele (Toward the Winter Solstice)

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    February 28, 2007 - 10:25 pm
    OH Anna I just love that poem - I can see the warm sun on the clear water, the brilliant blue dragonfly and feel the cool wetness on my legs. My toes want to curl and I can feel the summer day on my face. The only difference, clothes and all I would first sit right in the water, wash my face and then push off with my toes and swim out a way coming back dripping so that my swim is not just a memory.

    MarjV
    March 1, 2007 - 07:36 am
    What a vision of summertime does the Joanna poem give. The feeling of summer, water. But most of all it tells us that we can still experience lovely times at any age.

    ~Marj

    Scrawler
    March 1, 2007 - 10:26 am
    This poem is full of marvelous imagery which sets off ripples of memory in all of us. I too also liked to dig my toes in the warm sand curling them in the cold waters as the tide slipped in and out. It makes me want Spring to come even faster than it is.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 1, 2007 - 11:30 am
    Swimming in Winter
    Palo Alto 1977

    On cold, wet days, I didn't use the gym
    But patronized the outdoor pool instead:
    I worried that if no one came to swim
    I might fell lonely an dispirited.

    It clearly couldn't thank me for my care;
    One time, thought, its Olympic-size expanse
    Gusted inviting ripples to me where
    I shed my Windbreaker and training pants.

    I liked to think of that when, in the rain,
    I'd dive and surface to an easy crawl
    And do my lunch laps, staying in my lane,
    Swimming away the winter's cold, dark miles
    Between the turning wall and finish wall,
    Tracking the bottom line's small square blue tiles.

    hmmm I had a thought - after so much reading about aging here of late - this poem reminds me that our life is like the pool broken into segments that we swim from end to end - we start - at the turning wall childhood becomes early adulthood - etc. we keep doing our laps turning at each phase in our lives - the weather may be cold or hot like the happenings and events that we are not in control of however, we return to the turning wall which is like a touch stone to another lap.

    We may at times feel lonely or fear we will be lonely - we can protect ourselves from harsh events with Windbreakers or shed them and plunge ourselves into action taking on another phase - this winter phase of our lives - during each phase of action we can enjoy viewing the blue tiles laid down by an artisan workman as well as, knowing we are making the water ripple and splash as we swim.

    JoanK
    March 1, 2007 - 04:25 pm
    Oh, I love Joanna Wading! This is going to be a good month.

    Barbara: you really made me think (as you often do).

    annafair
    March 1, 2007 - 07:53 pm
    This poem certainly resonates with me....my garden has disappeared , the trees grew too tall to let in light and I have found it hard to dig and hoe and care for it ....this makes me dream of perhaps? maybe I will have a small one again ....what do you gardeners think?I see the red headed lizard sunning himself on our garden wall and our small seven year old daughter hoping to capture it returned to our surprise with just his tail Her teacher said it was a skink ( I think I remember that correctly) and my herb garden boasted parsley, thyme, chives and some others I no longer recall. I love the calmness of this poem ...it soothes me ...and remembering it will do the same...anna

    HERB GARDEN
    "And these, small,unobserved...." Janet Lewis


    The lizard, an exemplar of the small,
    Spreads fine, adhesive digits to perform
    Vertical push-ups on a sunny wall;
    Bees grapple spikes of lavender, or swarm
    The dill's gold umbels or low clumps of thyme .
    Bored with its trellis, a resourceful rose
    Has found a nearby cedar tree to climb
    And to festoon with floral furbelows.


    Though the great, heat-stunned sunflower looks half dead
    The way it, shepherd's crook-like, hangs it head,
    The herbs maintain their modest self-command :
    Their fragrances and colors warmly mix
    While quarrying between the pathway's bricks,
    Ants build minute volcanos out of sand.


    Timothy Steele Toward the Winter Solstice

    MarjV
    March 2, 2007 - 05:47 am
    Anna, you could have a yard service come in and dig up a plot for you - then the rest would be easier. Soon is probably a good time where you live.

    What fun the garden poem is. All those things busy - lizard doing pushups !!!!! Bees grappling !!! A rose bored so it climbs.!!! Ants building volcanoes !!! Super graphicals. Gives a brand new way to look at and describe.

    ~Marj

    Scrawler
    March 2, 2007 - 11:25 am
    The soundless character
    Of snow was like a mood.
    Out after supper, we
    Felt both thrilled and subdued:
    Our street had been transfigured
    Into a lovely waste
    But for the cones of lamplight
    Its boundaries effaced.

    We'd play touch football, passes
    Wobbling from mittened hands;
    We'd skid round, lacking traction
    That stopping or cutting demands
    We'd pause for barreling plows,
    The night's true juggernauts,
    That cast off fans of snow
    Like ocean-slicing yachts.

    Disbanding, we could hear
    Long after we could see
    Each other; night resumed
    Its mute autonomy,
    Emptied of us and filling
    With the thick slanting snows
    Through which occasional cars
    Would - tire chains jingling - nose.

    Is it my imagination or do have more fun in the snow when we are kids than when we are adults? I loved all my life in California and never saw snow until I was an adult. The first time I ever so snow was when our motor home got stuck in a blizzard on a very lonely road in the middle of NOWHERE!

    annafair
    March 2, 2007 - 11:47 am
    still I like to make snow angels if it snows enough The last time was about 9-10 years ago when I was in Massachusetts and IT SNOWED...I have a picture of me laying on the snow making angels and throwing snowballs at trees and capturing a rabbit pausing for a minute...immobile ..most likely thinking how crazy people are Have to admit I only enjoy it when a house is near with a warm fire glowing and hot cocoa waiting...but I also preferred that when I was young..........in the middle of nowhere would be a different story...loved the poem though I am finding there is a particular kind of joy in Steeles poems his recognizing the small and large things that make us stop and say AHHHHHHHHHHH yes ..anna >been off with threats of thunderstorms and tornados all which kindly missed us but was saddened by the pictures and destruction south of Virginia ...having been in a small tornado once I hold my breath when the weatherman speaks of possible one...hope all are well wherever you are..anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 3, 2007 - 01:51 am
    Waiting for the Storm
    Timothy Steele

    Breeze sent a wrinkling darkness
    Across the bay. I knelt
    Beneath an upturned boat
    And moment by moment felt
    The sand at my feet grow colder
    The damp air chill and spread
    Then the first rain drops sounded
    On the hull above my head.

    annafair
    March 3, 2007 - 03:20 am
    But those first raindrops plopping down on the windshield of my car from the edge of a storm ..I remember well...And Steele's poem made me see and hear them again.....how about this one?

    AT THE SUMMIT


    Timothy Steele


    It was the wind,perhaps,
    Snapping at my sleeve
    That made it seem unreal.
    By then the air had grown
    So thin it hurt to breathe;
    The sound of trees would rise,
    And gather, and collapse
    About us where we stood.
    Below us lay the gorge---
    White water and dark wood.


    It was so close to ease,
    That day :we had enough
    Of openess and space.
    In time the forest's sough
    Died down, and we, descending,
    Found poppies, a deer's track---
    And all of it unreal,
    Even looking back.

    hats
    March 3, 2007 - 07:22 am
    There have been a couple of windy nights here in Tn. We could hear the wind whistling. The best part was hearing the sound of my wind chimes. I bet some neighbors might have liked to get rid of those wind chimes.

    hats
    March 3, 2007 - 08:24 am
    Practice


    The basketball you walk around the court
    Produces a hard, stinging, clean report.
    You pause and crouch and, after feinting, swoop
    Around a ghost defender to the hoop
    And rise and lay the ball in off the board.
    Solitude, plainly, is its own reward.


    The game that you've conceived engrosses you.
    The ball rolls off; you chase it down, renew
    The dribble to the level of your waist.
    Insuring that a sneaker's tightly laced,
    You kneel—then, up again, weave easily
    Through obstacles that you alone can see.


    And so I drop the hands I'd just now cupped
    To call you home. Why should I interrupt?
    Can I be sure that dinner's ready yet?
    A jumpshot settles, snapping, through the net;
    The backboard's stanchion keeps the ball in play,
    Returning it to you on the ricochet.


    Timothy Steele


    All of my sons loved Basketball. Two of my grandsons love it too. Is Timothy Steele talking about a deeper message than just playing basketball? It surprised me to see the word solitude in relationship with a group game. I am still thinking about this poem.

    hats
    March 3, 2007 - 08:27 am
    Through obstacles you alone can see. I know it's been part of my life. Sometimes you see "ghosts" where there are only shadows. Some of my fears have been the imaginations of my mind.

    Scrawler
    March 3, 2007 - 10:02 am
    What strikes me most about Timothy Steel's poetry is his imajery of the poem and than the emotion that he sets in motion from his words. Hats you mentioned that you were surprised at the word solitude in the poem "Practice", but I think when you practice as oppose to actually playing the game against someone you do have a sense of solitude much like you get when you practice the piano.

    Unlike the earlier poets of the 1960s, 1970s like Allen Ginsberg and Sylvia Plath who were considered "Confessional Poets" I see Steele's poems not so much telling us how he feels but rather sharing with us his experiences and making us part of his experience without saying if it was a good or bad experience. In other words allowing us to be apart of the experience without judgment.

    annafair
    March 3, 2007 - 11:24 am
    How Timothy Steele's poems make me feel ...good for a beginning and I think Scrawler said it well

    Unlike the earlier poets of the 1960s, 1970s like Allen Ginsberg and Sylvia Plath who were considered "Confessional Poets" I see Steele's poems not so much telling us how he feels but rather sharing with us his experiences and making us part of his experience without saying if it was a good or bad experience. In other words allowing us to be apart of the experience without judgment.

    hats
    March 3, 2007 - 12:02 pm
    Anna and Scrawler, I understand what you are saying. I also can see practice and solitude fitting hand in hand. Sometime my mind is very slow. Then, someone comes along and gives me a jolt. Then, my brain wakes up.

    JoanK
    March 3, 2007 - 04:46 pm
    I think "solitude" is a good word for all of these poems. They are all uniquely solitary. The kind of solitary that reminds me why I have always made a place in my life for solitude. Even at the busiest time of my life, when I was raising small children, working, and going to school, I would get up before dawn so that I could start my day with solitude. It is the feeling that these poems capture that I was seeking -- the feeling of seeing the wold around me in a way that acknowledges that I am part of it and it is part of me.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 3, 2007 - 10:09 pm
    the basketball poem is staying with me - I can feel what it is like when you can do something fairly well and then I can feel like the mother who has prepared the dinner and is not calling him in just yet while admiring how he has grown into this capable individual. I think it was always so much more gratifying seeing our children doing something well when they were on their own rather than with a group. In a group they showed how they could be a good team member where as alone we could admire how they matured.

    Mallylee
    March 4, 2007 - 03:53 am
    Annafair#955 How beautiful! I am still smiling as I type because of the vivid images in the poem about the herb garden. I hope you will be able to remake your own garden as you want it.

    Mallylee
    March 4, 2007 - 03:56 am
    Hats#692. Am I imagining it, or do the sequences about the ball game SOUND sharp , energetic, staccato because of the sound of the words ?

    Mallylee
    March 4, 2007 - 03:57 am
    Thanks to all for the pleasure of all these wonderful poems

    hats
    March 4, 2007 - 04:06 am
    Mallylee, thank you for bringing that thought to my attention. Yes, I can definitely feel the beat of the ball and feet around the court. It's not often we talk about the how the "beat" or "rhythm" influences poems. Those poetry methods give a further idea of what the poet is trying to get across. Thanks!

    Scrawler
    March 4, 2007 - 10:29 am
    Here's a quote from Wikipedia about Timothy Steele:

    "...His poetry is known as more strictly "formal" than the work of most fellow New Formalists in that he rarely uses inexact rhymes or metrical substitutions, and is sparing in his use of enjambent..."

    Perhaps if Mr. Steele is here he can explain what it means first of all in the term: New Formalists. Than what it means in "inexact rhymes" and finally "enjambment."

    If anyone else here has an explanation, it would be greatly appreciated as well.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 4, 2007 - 11:24 am
    Scrawler the only one I know off the top of my head is "enjambment" when a thought does not end with the end of the line or the end of a stanza. There is probably some more formal way of describing the word but that is how I understand enjambment.

    Tim Steele
    March 4, 2007 - 06:15 pm
    Thank you all for your thoughtful and kind readings of my poems. It's immensely cheering to receive such sensitive attention.

    Anna suggested that I contribute to this month's discussion from time to time, and I'll try to answer, as best I can, any questions you may have about the poems in particular or about poetry in general.

    To address Anna's recent question about the Wikipedia article, I have mixed feelings about the term "New Formalism." This is partly because the term was coined (in the late 1980s) to disparage the revival of interest in the time-tested tools of verse. That is, critics hostile to things like meter and rhyme, sort of stuck this label on those who were, in their way, threatening the reigning free-verse orthodoxy. It wasn't a term that so-called new formalists (a group that has never been more than loosely and ambiguously defined) themselves advanced.

    But beyond this both the adjective and noun seem problematical. One thing that has made modern poetry go a little haywire at times is the restless quest for technical novelty that was promoted by (among others) Ezra Pound and his followers. They wanted to model art on science and to focus on "experiment" and "innovation" in the apparatus of language. But newness in art--genuinely interesting newness--mostly involves, as far as I can judge, subject matter rather than technique. Human society is always evolving, and if we address contemporary topics and situations with open hearts and minds, fresh and original works will hopefully result, whether we write in traditional or non-traditional ways.

    Also "form" is a slippery term with many denotations. I find it more helpful when we do discuss poetic technique to employ more specific and immediately understood concepts like meter, rhyme, and stanza.

    In terms of Anna's more specific Wikipedia-related questions, Barbara (and Scrawler) are right on the money about enjambment. It's a word derived from French, meaning "a striding over or across" and in poetry it refers to not ending the metrical line at a grammatical juncture and thereby requiring (or encouraging) the reader to read through the line end to complete the sense of the statement. In the first four lines of Browning's "My Last Duchess," for instance, lines 2 and 3 are enjambed.

    That's my last Duchess painted on the wall, Looking as if she were alive. I call That piece a wonder now. Fra Pandolf's hands Worked busily a day, and there she stands.

    Generally, my preference is not to enjamb, unless it serves some sort of expressive purpose (as it seems to in the movement from line 3 to line 4 in Browning's poem, where the enjambment serves to reinforce the sense of the painter's energetic activity).

    The Wikipedia mention of "inexact rhyme" evidently refers to what other textbooks or encyclopedias call "off rhyme" or "slant rhyme" or "partial rhyme." This involves correspondences in closing consonant sounds but not vowels, as in "balk/stroke" and "mild/bold" (this kind of inexact or partial rhyme was often favored by Emily Dickinson and Wilfred Owen), or vowels but not consonants, as in "fate/grave." And sometimes it refers to "eye rhymes"--syllables spelt alike but differently pronounced, as in "love/move." (Eye rhymes, in some instances, were full, exact ear rhymes as well at earlier stages of our language.)

    I do, as the Wikipedia article suggests, generally prefer full or exact rhyme. When I do use variant rhyme, I try to pattern it consistently, so that the reader can see that it is a formal principle operating in the poem. In THE COLOR WHEEL, for instance, the jigsaw puzzle poem for my sister features "rich rhyme" throughout: the same words or syllables are matched but they serve as different parts of speech (e.g. "piece" as a verb matched with "piece" as a noun).

    Lastly, I wanted to respond to Hats' suggestion that I was aiming for something more than mere description in "Practice." I'm perfectly happy if the poem is read simply as description, but there were other ideas there for me--one being that if we commit ourselves fully to an activity, it's almost as if nature or reality start at some point to cooperate with us. The image of the stanchion returning the ball to the boy at the end of the poem was intended to suggest this. (I know that many of you are poets, too, and I often find, as you may, that the most effective or appealing way to communicate concepts is via an image.)

    In any event, thank you again for your thoughtful readings of the poems.

    Timothy Steele

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 4, 2007 - 07:07 pm
    Thank you so much for posting Timothy - Welcome - I will look for the poem when my copy of "The Color Wheel" arrives - I ordered it last week to add to your book "Toward The Winter Solstice" -

    I am still confused by the explanation of "inexact rhyme" - I think I will scout around the Internet and see if there are other sites that also give an explanation. I thought I understood up to "balk/stroke" and "mild/bold" but then when you suggested "fate/grave" I lost the whole thing - it could be just how something is explained that makes the difference.

    Timothy - question - have you written prose or do you just write poetry...

    I love reading "Joanna, Wading" - each time I read the poem I find something I missed during an earlier read - it took me several reads to finally catch the very first "Too frail to swim," - somehow I was skipping those words to get into the 'story'

    You had me diving into the dictionary to find "postprandial" - can't wait to use that on my one grandson who loves language. A lot of "p" words in your poem "In the Italian Alps" -

    hehehe did you learn to write the letter "p" as the one with the big head versus the one with the fat tummy "b" and is there something about having a big head that has to do with discoving what it seeks?

    Please I am not serious - but I do think it is fun that you have an important word starting with "p" in every stanza of the poem.

    Thanks again for your visit...

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 4, 2007 - 07:22 pm
    Oh my a long definition but it was what I needed here as Slant Rhyme is explained - I never knew that true Rhyme had to have a different consonant before the words in the rhyming pair.

    I like this from the linked site - "It was not considered the essential part of a poem, but an essential part, as the sound or rhymes, not only fit with the sense, or meaning, but enhances it, bringing together the right-brain with its appreciation for beauty and emotion and feeling with the left-brain, and its appreciation for perfectly ordered language emerging from the chaos of the conscious mind."

    annafair
    March 4, 2007 - 08:37 pm
    For me it is expecially important I had to cease taking my poetry classes when my hearing loss progressed to a point I could no longer participate....a very sad day for me. I have a copy of Timothy's book called "all the fun's in how you say a thing" from the library This is on the cover AN EXPLANATION OF METER AND VERSIFICATION..." My own copy will be here on the 11th but I am anxious to see what our poet of the month has to say..It is my hope it will help me to understand what I write ...and make improvements I dont care about being a great poet but I would like my grandchildren to be able to read it someday and say NANA WROTE SOME GOOD POEMS>>.

    As you know my husband was a pilot in the Air Force and we lived and traveled over seas and in the states..Timothy Steeles poems just seem to say REMEMBER ME.The following poem is one that says that well .....having spent 20 summers in a rented house on the beach in Nags Head NC This poem is in Maine but I think perhaps it would makes any beach and ocean lover say YES enjoy please ..anna PS I think this is enjambment PLEASE tell me it certainly seems to qualify for the definition given I recall that in one of my classes but I think I misundertood which is likely!

    STRICTLY ROMANTIC: COASTAL TOWN IN MAINE


    Wave after wave explodes and flings
    Up through the rocks, and then
    In tentacle-like slitherings
    Drains back. "The graves of men


    Who came before us were such seas".
    Just so. And in the haze
    Of August, light shifts with the breeze
    And these seen merely days,


    Miraculous and utterly
    Unnecessary.Here,
    The bells of Angelus will be
    A voice; the sails that clear


    The harbor will complete the sky
    This is the summer's course,
    The natural becoming by
    Returning to it;s source,


    Its prescence always on the edge
    Of endless afternoons,
    Wind in the eelgrass and salt sedge,
    Wildflowers in the dunes.


    Timothy Steele --Sapphics and Uncertainties

    hats
    March 5, 2007 - 01:17 am
    Timothy Steele, thank you for giving of your time. It is such an honor to have you here. Also, Anna, thank you for inviting Timothy. My son's middle name is Timothy.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 5, 2007 - 11:38 am
    "STRICTLY ROMANTIC: COASTAL TOWN IN MAINE" it appears is using enjambment in every stanza.

    Ok from what Timothy reviewed with us he is using rhyme in Then/men - where as, seas/breeze must be inexact rhyme or slant rhyme - as is haze/days and here/clear. I think sky/by is rhyme where as course/source, although they sound alike are not spelled alike and therefore are inexact. Edge/sedge is rhyme however, afternoons/dunes are inexact.

    I have read how understanding the parts of a poem and giving those parts a name is like understanding the names of plants and tools if you are gardening and certainly knowing the name of plants, when they bloom, and the difficulty of growing the various plants can add to our appreciation of a garden even if we are not planning to garden ourselves. And so to have the words to identify the parts of a poem we can more closely admire adds to the richness of reading poetry -

    However, I wonder if knowing how a poem is constructed and knowing the names of the elements of construction influence the message of the poem - do we understand the message and have a mind picture of something described in a poem differently because of the way the tools of poetry were used or because we are able to analyze the poem using the tools or elements of poetry - what do y'all think...

    In the poem above I see how the use of enjambment give a secondary understanding of each line - I understand how we pause at the end of each line and each line in the poem gives one emphasis which is altered a bit when the phrase is completed.

    "Wave after wave explodes and flings" ending with flings bringing an image of a lot of wild action.

    Then the phrase, "Wave after wave explodes and flings Up through the rocks," has the image of water wearing on rocks which is a slow process regardless all the wild might of water flinging.

    The different use of rhyme I am still not able to get my head around how the choice of slant verses exact rhyme adds to our understanding of the poem - is it to allow us to better appreciate a detail like knowing that there are two types of daffodils blooming in the garden...

    annafair
    March 5, 2007 - 12:19 pm
    As usual you share your knowledge and ask the questions...I am sure when I was in my classes all of these things were explained but I didnt always know what I was hearing. Now I am really anxious to learn more for me anyway...Without knowing I have written poems using all of the above ..it just seem to fit ...I would love to know if poets set out to write enjambment et or does what the poet is sharing just sort of fall in to place I know some of my poems rhyme but I never set out write one that rhymed it just fell into place..My professors admired some of my poems and I even won a prize in the University Writers conference and one of our society members who teaches a university here told me that she used that poem in class ..she was a judge the year I won..since Iwrite for me I seldom edit ..perhaps I SHOULD LOL ...back later with a one of Timothy's poems....anna

    Scrawler
    March 5, 2007 - 12:43 pm
    Thank you for your explanations, Mr. Steele. I can't say that I understand everything you said, but I think your information is trying its best to ramble through my cob-webbed brain.

    I think first of all I write poetry simply because I like how it sounds and that probably goes to meter and rhyme without really thinking about it. I'm also trying to get a message of sorts to my readers, but most of all I write because I would rather do that than anything else and I do this for myself not because I want to make money or have fame (oh! I suppose it wouldn't hurt to have both or either/or but that's not my main goal.) I write because it pleases me and I hope by sharing my writing I can please others as well.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 6, 2007 - 12:39 am
    In The Italian Alps
    1913

    Thick-carpeted and oaken warmth pervades
    The evening common room of the hotel.
    Lamps shed a modest light from tasseled shades;
    Logs in the fireplace pop; somewhere a bell,
    Announcing guests or a delivery, rings;
    A couple on the couch let small talk lapse
    And silently touch hands; and old gents snaps
    His paper open and folds back it wings.

    Our hero, at a window, has no use
    For the postprandial comforts of the place:
    the glass pane and the outer dark produce
    A query-plagued reflection of his face.
    Were she and he too volatile a mix?
    Was his proposal the wrong note to strike?
    Thoughts jolt each other till his brain feels like
    the neighboring room where billiard balls trade clicks.

    Reproaches would seem puerile, and embarrass
    Them both; but he recalls the day they met--
    How on that cobbled and grass-grown church terrace,
    He sketched her, posed before the parapet,
    Her arms outstretched upon its lichened shelf,
    Her forehead shaded by her leghorn hat.
    Perhaps if he reminded her of that
    She'd pity him and would explain herself.

    Perhaps...he chafes at this contingent mood
    That, balking action, also serves to mar
    His chances for productive solitude.
    the old gent smokes and crushes a cigar,
    Then heads for bed. The couple, too, retire--
    The women gathering the diaphanous flow
    Of a long scarf about her as they go.
    The young man turns for counsel to the fire,

    Whose crackling flames still numbly dart and branch
    Against the chimney's throat. If, in a year,
    Europe will smother in an avalanche
    Deadlier than any triggered from up here,
    If he himself will perish in a wood
    Along the Marne, the truth remains that he
    Burns now with all his puzzled ardency
    To understand and to be understood.

    And so he sits and writes her, and redoubles
    His concentration as the hours pass;
    The fire lets fall its glowing coals; small bubbles
    Cling to the inside of a water glass;
    Outside, a dark wind strengthens, scouring peaks
    and lifting snowy veils from spur and crest
    Like a tormented soul refusing rest
    Until it has discovered what it seeks.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 6, 2007 - 01:17 am
    I still think it is interesting that every stanza has a word that starts with "p" - it may not have been planned but I keep looking at the list of words and see the story unfold as a thread - from Paper postprandial [as if explaining the paper royalty after their rise but before the midday meal of their reign] - to - perish puzzled peaks [that could infer these 'puzzled peaks' in time, the oh-so-sure but puzzled royalty whose power perished - just as the peaks of land, including all the wildlife, puzzled at the destruction as it perished.]

    Paper
    Postprandial
    Place
    Pane
    Produce
    Plagued
    Proposal
    Puerile
    Posed
    Parapet
    Perhaps
    Pity
    Perhaps
    Productive
    Perish
    Puzzled
    Peaks

    MarjV
    March 7, 2007 - 06:07 am
    Durkin Interview with Steele

    There's a fun poem included there with a play on "lemon".

    And I wonder if this is the definition for "Fae" as in the title and within the poem: Fae may refer to: fae, a term for the class of mythological beings known as fairies or elves.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 7, 2007 - 08:00 am
    Like you Marj I was not sure if Fae was describing the flowers or the neighbor's name - but it provided a quiet smile reading it as describing the flowers and later the lemons.

    The poem reminded me of last summer when I was building my gardens in my front yard. I do not have neighbors across the street but I do up and down the street - but more there are so many who walk up my street since I am on top of the Mesa which has a steep hill that is a challenge to those walking or riding their bike. Some folks are regulars and since I was out there everynight all summer after 5:30 when the wind picks up till after dark I had a chat with someone each evening all summer long.

    Our summer temp is over 100 and it really doesn't cool till about an hour before dark. The breeze makes all the difference. In the morning hours it is not only hot but humid and so I wore out quickly and learned to work in the evening with the added bonus that is when folks do their walking, running, bike riding. Continuously the traffic was swishing by too quickly - the sign says 35 however they were traveling practically highway speed.

    Had to look up the poets mentioned in the linked piece - was not familiar with either - low and behold when I looked up Leslie Monsour I found one of her poems introduced by one of our favorite poets, who we read last year, Ted Kooser! Fifteen: Leslie Monsour

    MarjV
    March 7, 2007 - 09:10 am
    Barbara: That is quite a delightful poem by Monsour in the link I laughed.

    - your summer evenings sound so great with people passing by to chat a bit on their evening sojourn.

    I enjoyed the narration of the "story" in the Alps poem. One could just be really into that room and aware of the weather outside.

    Mallylee
    March 7, 2007 - 10:44 am
    I enjoyed reading the interview. Thanks Marj. I agree that metre is important for making good poetry. Whenever I have made some poems I begin with the rhythm. immediately after thinking of a theme. thatis. The rhythm has to suit the theme like a vase has to suit the flowers you want to display. I think rhythm is a kind of shape. Haiku has another sort of shape; a visual shape. I like a poem that has sentences that run into the next line, and this works to keep the rhythm going because you expect there to be a continuing rhythm.

    I like rhymes too, and I like part rhymes as much as full rhymes.

    I don't actually know what free verse is because I cannot imagine a poem without some sort of shape.

    Tim Steele
    March 7, 2007 - 02:15 pm
    Please imagine me today kneeling contritely in sackcloth and ashes, because I clearly didn't convey very well the difference between full or exact rhyme and slant or inexact rhyme.

    Rhyme involves sound rather than spelling. Hence, in "Strictly Romantic," haze/days and here/clear count as exact rhymes. On the other hand, one of the rhymes in "On the Eve of a Birthday" (specious/precious) is inexact, since the "e" is long in the first word and short in the second. This, despite the fact that, to our eye, the correspondence looks exact.

    Another poem where the rhymes are exact, though at first blush they may look very inexact is "The Skimming Stone" (IN SAPPHICS AND UNCERTAINTIES) where "weight" is matched with "slate" and "shore" with "rapport."

    Spelling in English is notoriously inconsistent, in part because English adopted so many words from such different sources (Germanic, Latin, French, etc.). Sometimes I have to go to the dictionary and confirm the commonly received pronunciation of a word.

    Regarding the question of poetic terminology, I think it can help us understand what we're doing, but I work mostly intuitively--as I think many of us do. One analogy I often fall back on relates to basketball. (Shades of "Practice"!) I've studies the rules of versification, and I've consciously practiced, from time to time, different stanzas and methods of adjusting phrases to certain meters. But this is like what a ballplayer does when he or she, in a practice session, shoots ten shost from the left base line, ten from the top of the key, ten from the right base line, etc. In an actual game or poem, however, one goes more with the flow.

    It would, that is, be terribly hindering for a player to think, running down the court, "I am now 23 feet left of the hoop and, by golly, if I get to 17.5 feet, a little more off to the right, I can shoot a jump shot." By the same token, it would be unproductive, I think, for a poet to always be thinking, "Now I'm in the middle of the fourth foot of the seventh line of this sonnet, and, not having enjambed up to this point, I'm going to run this line over into line 8."

    You learn the rules consciously. You apply them, however, mostly unconsciously.

    That said, when things aren't going well with a poem, we can always, so to speak, call time-out, and look at what we have written and say, "You know, my rhymes seem sort of flat; maybe it's because I'm repeatedly matching the same parts of speech--noun with noun, verb with verb, adjective with adjective: perhaps I should try to add some more variety and chime, say, an adjective with a verb or noun." (Or maybe all or most of the words are monosyllabic, and we might want to try a longer word or two here or there.)

    Barbara was right in noting that the enjambment "flings/Up through the rocks"(and "slitherings/Drains back") is designed to suggest something of the motion of the water. But I don't remember that I consciously pre-planned that effect. As a student, I loved the poems of Ben Jonson (especially poems like "Inviting a Friend to Supper" and "To Penshurst"), and I think I absorbed from him and from a few other poets who use enjambment interestingly (such as Milton, Robert Bridges, and Frost) a sense of when one might run on the line in a hopefully pleasing way.

    I hope these remarks are illuminating. The relationship, in writing, between freedom and restraint--and between knowledge and intuition--is complex and probably no amount of analysis can ever resolve it fully. Ultimately, the most important thing is simply the joy we take in reading and writing.

    Timothy Steele

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 8, 2007 - 02:08 pm
    Oh Dear Timothy I guess I mis-understood - sorry - I still do not have it down - I think you are saying that if it sounds the same it is a rhyme where as if it is spelled in a similar way but sounds differently than it is in in-exact or slant rhyme - I am not sure then how all this information about preceding consenants fits - my computer is acting up so I will post again after my computer guru can fit me into his schedule. When I post a poem I will try to ID what is exact rhyme and see if I have it down.

    MarjV
    March 8, 2007 - 03:56 pm
    About Scrawler/Anne's abscence: she e-mailed me and said I could pass on the info that her mother is critically ill and they are in the slow process of finding assisted living for dad or maybe them both, depending, and the selling of the long time home & moving that will be involved.

    ~Marj

    hats
    March 8, 2007 - 06:10 pm
    MarjV, thank you for the information. I wondered whether Scrawler might have become ill. She certainly is going through a difficult period making important decisions about her parents.

    hats
    March 9, 2007 - 02:33 am
    I would like to know whom you would pick for a favorite twentieth century poet. By becoming a poet, have you fulfilled your greatest dream? If not, what is your great dream or goal? Does growing older stifle or expand our dreams? Of the poems you have written, do you have a favorite one? Thank you.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 10, 2007 - 12:01 am
    Champlain Evening

    The oars creak gently in their locks;
    So tranquil is the lake
    A ferry, several miles out, rocks
    Her with its traveling wake.

    It's easy work to which she bends;
    When the oars dip, they craft
    Small whirlpools she, with smooth strokes, sends
    Spinning, like slow tops, aft.

    Even when she arrests the oars
    And turns ahead to view
    (And imprint on her mind) the course
    She wishes to pursue,

    The boat coasts at a steady clip
    Across the depths and shades,
    While strings of under-droplets slip
    From the suspended blades

    OK stanzas 1,2 and 4 are easy - the rhyme sounds and the words end with similar spelling - it is stanza 3 that is the one I am still not sure of - oars/course could sound the same but that e on the end of course sure changes the sound of the s - and then view/pursue is another that could stretch to sound the same - it is just the w and the ue that have a similar sound - but then neither of these pairs are spelled anything alike and so I am guessing these pairs are inexact rhyme or slant rhyme.

    I can see that the difference in this stanza using words that are not easy rhyme, as compared to the other three stanzas, sets this stanza apart - and this is the stanza that the rower is looking beyond her immediate action and situation towards her future. And so the different rhyme words are helping to add to the change of view - from being one with nature to choosing to be in control with direction using nature.

    I like this poem - almost melancholy - not lonely but alone - and yet, one with nature as the saying goes - I see it as life when gently and tranquil we focus on what we do regardless of swells and dips caused by greater events. That our efforts surround us with all who we touch and who are touched by our effort - I love the line "While strings of under-droplets slip" as our days and efforts within each day drop back into the lake of life.

    I like the quiet sureness of this poem - as she quietly goes about her journey "Across the depths and shades." Can't help but go to how for some of us the swells, wakes and upheavals are so great we are tumped out and have to grab some floatsome to craft into another boat.

    Mallylee
    March 10, 2007 - 03:42 am
    Oh yes, Barbara, I have done that, not on Lake Champlain but rowing on the mirrored calm of a Scottish sea loch.The sound of the oars in rowlocks, the movements of the water , the movements of the rower, and the sight of the droplets, are all there , in the successive verses.

    annafair
    March 10, 2007 - 04:41 am
    Sometimes I think it disappears down some rabbit hole and when I wake from wherever I have been a whole week has passed..I have been so busy but when I try to think WHAT DID I DO ,,it doesnt seem like much ...Spring is late this year and for the first time in 35 years I have yet to see a robin feeding in my back yard...Many of Steeles poems seem to recall a time he remembered and felt a poem nagging to be written ...this seems to be one of them ...and I would think most of us have been there,done that and most likely were wise enough to see how unimportant some things are...I hurt for Scrawler and know how hard it is to do what she has to do....it is a wrenching thing to have to do and when done there is still the pain ...I pray it will not be too difficult to find just the right place....

    Back to the poem........From Sapphics and Uncertainties

    INCIDENT ON A PICNIC


    At length we tired of arguing, and drank
    What little wine was left.
    I leaned back on a bank
    Of clover, and still thinking deft


    Ripostes to what you'd said
    I noticed by the field below
    A girl of ten or so
    Who leaned across the pasture bar and fed


    A calf a handful of grass
    You saw her too--and (I could see}
    Felt the same shame that ran through me.
    Did our self-serving angers pass


    From us that moment? I can't say,
    But I know walking home that day
    We weren't too certain or too proud
    To note the roadside scent of hay


    And the sky's white ribs of cloud.


    Since Timothy has been kind enough to share with us ....for the first time , at least since I ceased taking classes ---I am noting the stucture of poetry. This is enjambment and also helps me to know that many times I have accidently written the same without knowing what I was doing .,..but we have in the first verse A-B-A-B that rhymes second verse is A-B-B -A ..third A-B-B-A and the last A-B-C-A-C Now I am going to read his book about poetry and pay attention when I write to see what I am doing !!!!!!!

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 05:06 am
    Anna, what a good idea! I am trying to learn from Timothy Steele in hopes that I will also learn how to improve my reading of poetry. If I ever decide to write poetry, there is a second lesson.

    I do not know the meaning of Ripostes. I do love the poem. I want to reread it. It is a long sentence. Does deft go along with the meaning of Ripostes?

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 05:12 am
    I have tried to write poetry. I admit it. I became a coward and gave up.

    MarjV
    March 10, 2007 - 06:13 am
    Hats, In essence "deft ripostes" are skillful quick replies. So you can see how it fits into the poem.

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 06:47 am
    MarjV, thank you. Yes, now I can see how it comes together.

    annafair
    March 10, 2007 - 12:16 pm
    I dont think you realize you are a poet Often your posts are so beautifully expressed they are poems...Didnt Jim in Jef once take one of your posts and put it in poetic form?????If we lived near I would come and take you by the hand to somewhere in Chattanooga where there is a park etc and we would both choose something ( neednt even be the same thing ) and sit there and write what we see, how it makes us feel etc..I think there is a poet in all of us...we just dont recognize it or we dismiss what we see, and how we feel and even perhaps think it foolish etc...I have given 5 copies of Koosers Winter Morning Walks to friends who have lost thier beloved because in spite of the fact he had just "recovered " from two years of depression due to cance, surgery and chemo...when he started coming out of this he found his voice ,..in the small things Once I started writing I often wuold open my dictionary .,.I mean allow it to open to a page. close my eyes and whatever word my finger stopped I read the meaning and usually found I could write a poem about the word...you have a great imagination .,...JUST LET IT BE A KITE AND SOAR!!! love you..anna

    Tim Steele
    March 10, 2007 - 12:19 pm
    Thank you all again for your good questions and careful readings of my poems.

    In response to Hats' question, if I had to pick a favorite modern poet it would probably be Robert Frost. From the time my teachers in elementary school first shared his poems with my classmates and me, I've loved his idiomatic fluency and descriptive grace.

    Thomas Hardy is a great favorite, too, though his work is somewhat uneven. There are quite a few not-so-engaging poems in his big COLLECTED POEMS--yet some of his poems are absolute beauties (e.g. "Afterwards," "The Oxen," "The Walk," "The Darkling Thrush"). Also, no poet ever wrote more touchingly or accurately about animals. He's almost like a Rachel Carson in verse.

    More recent poets whom I've greatly admired include Richard Wilbur, Louise Bogan, Philip Larkin, Janet Lewis, X. J. Kennedy, Edgar Bowers, and Thom Gunn.

    In answer to another of Hats' questions, I love writing poetry and want to do the best I can at it; but I think my greatest ambition--it's probably the same for everyone--is to live an honest, helpful, and productive life and to feel that I'm contributing, in however tiny a way, to making existence more joyful, or at least more bearable, for others.

    One can try to achieve this ambition through poetry or the other arts, but one can also try to achieve it through multitudes of equally valid and hopeful human pursuits and professions.

    As years pass, I tend to write fewer poems, but I enjoy writing (as I enjoy reading) more and more; and I feel I can now go deeper into subjects than I used to and, with the muse's aid, write about them more comprehensively. My favorites among my own poems vary, but I felt especially cheered to be able to write (with reference to the poems in TOWARD THE SOLSTICE) the title poem. Writing it enabled me to link together a longstanding interest in astronomy with an affection for my adopted (and often misrepresented) city of Los Angeles.

    To address once more Barbara's questions about rhyme, "view" and "pursue" are full or exact, since they both register or comprise the same long "u" sound. (Though I didn't this intentionally, "oars" and "course" are slightly off or slanted, since the "s" of "oars" is actually a "z" sound, whereas "course" closes with a natural "s" sound.)

    Again, spelling is not always a reliable indication of sound. The following words, for instance, all rhyme exactly, though differently spelled: be, sea, fee, key, quay, ski, esprit. In contrast, these words don't rhyme, however alike they are in spelling: tough, cough, though, and slough (meaning an area of wet, muddy ground).

    (When we consider the vagaries of English spelling, it's no wonder that folks from Charles Darwin to Teddy Roosevelt to George Bernard Shaw to Andrew Carnegie all dreamed of reforming and making consistent English spelling.)

    In my book about versification, ALL THE FUN'S IN HOW YOU SAY A THING, I devote a chapter to rhyme, and discuss some of these matters in detail. For any who are interested, I believe that most major university and public libraries would have a copy of the book, which is also in print in a relatively inexpensive paperback.

    Again, warmest thanks for your good questions and comments.

    Tim Steele

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 12:38 pm
    Timothy Steele, thank you for taking the time to respond to our questions. This has been a special month having you here at Seniornet.

    Anna, thank you for being so encouraging. You have the power to make the heart of anyone soar with courage and strength.

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 12:46 pm
    Toward the Winter Solstice


    Although the roof is just a story high,
    It dizzies me a little to look down.
    I lariat-twirl the rope of Christmas lights
    And cast it to the weeping birch's crown;
    A dowel into which I've screwed a hook
    Enables me to reach,lift,drape,and twine
    The cord among the boughs so that the bulbs
    Will accent the tree's elegant design.


    Friends, passing home from work or shopping, pause
    And call up commendations or critiques.
    I make adjustments. Though a potpourri
    Of Muslims,Christians,Buddhists, Jews, and Sikhs,
    We all are conscious of the time of year;
    We all enjoy its colorful displays
    And keep some festival that mitigates
    The dwindling warmth and compass of the days.


    Some say that L.A. doesn't suit the Yule,
    But UPS vans now like magi make
    Their present-laden rounds, while fallen leaves
    Are gaily resurrected in their wake;
    The desert lifts a full moon from the east
    And issues a dry Santa Ana breeze,
    And valets at chic restaurants will soon
    Be tending flocks of cars and SUV's.


    And as the neighborhoods sink into dusk
    The fan palms scattered all across town stand
    More calmly prominent, and this place seems
    A vast oasis in the Holy Land.
    This house might be a caravansary,
    The tree a kind of cordial fountainhead
    Of welcome, looped and decked with necklaces
    And ceintures of green,yellow,blue,and red.


    Some wonder if the star of Bethlehem
    Occurred when Jupiter and Saturn crossed;
    It's comforting to look up from this roof
    And feel that, while all changes, nothing's lost,
    To recollect that in antiquity
    The winter solstice fell in Capricorn
    And that, in the Orion Nebula,
    From swirling gas, new stars are being born.


    Timothy Steele

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 12:48 pm
    Barbara, thank you for suggesting Timothy Steele to Anna. Toward the Winter Solstice what a beautiful poem. I love this time of year too. No matter how old I grow, during this time of year I become a child in heart.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 10, 2007 - 01:02 pm
    Hehehe 'I think she's got it! I think she's got it!' thanks Tim - and yes, your book "ALL THE FUN'S IN HOW YOU SAY A THING" is on my list - I try to limit my monthly Amazon purchase to $150 and so it is on for have to have list for next month.

    And what a great understanding of Thomas Hardy you shared - now I want to read more of his work - I am familier with his novels but not his poetry. And then the list of poets you shared is just grand - I am copying the list to take with me when I spend time with a coffee reading at Borders - their poetry section is becoming more useful. Except for X.J.Kennedy I am not familier with the other poets on your list or their work so this will be a journey.

    Hats thanks for writing out "Toward the Winter Solstice."

    The last makes me really gasp and pause with the enormity of it all - I cannot help but go in as well as out and realize within us new stars or starts are being born...

    To recollect that in antiquity
    The winter solstice fell in Capricorn
    And that, in the Orion Nebula,
    From swirling gas, new stars are being born.

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 01:04 pm
    I have a small book of Thomas Hardy's poems. Like Barbara, I am more familiar with his novels. I do love Robert Frost.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 10, 2007 - 01:13 pm
    OH my - I found this - how beautiful - now I want to read more of the work of Thomas Hardy -
    Afterwards

    WHEN the Present has latched its postern behind my tremulous stay,
    And the May month flaps its glad green leaves like wings,
    Delicate-filmed as new-spun silk, will the neighbours say,
    "He was a man who used to notice such things"?

    If it be in the dusk when, like an eyelid's soundless blink,
    The dewfall-hawk comes crossing the shades to alight
    Upon the wind-warped upland thorn, a gazer may think,
    "To him this must have been a familiar sight."

    If I pass during some nocturnal blackness, mothy and warm,
    When the hedgehog travels furtively over the lawn,
    One may say, "He strove that such innocent creatures should come to no harm,
    But he could do little for them; and now he is gone."

    If, when hearing that I have been stilled at last, they stand at the door,
    Watching the full-starred heavens that winter sees,
    Will this thought rise on those who will meet my face no more,
    "He was one who had an eye for such mysteries"?

    And will any say when my bell of quittance is heard in the gloom,
    And a crossing breeze cuts a pause in its outrollings,
    Till they rise again, as they were a new bell's boom,
    "He hears it not now, but used to notice such things"?

    Thomas Hardy

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 01:21 pm
    Barbara, that is beautiful especially the last lines.

    And will any say when my bell of quittance is heard in the gloom,
    And a crossing breeze cuts a pause in its outrollings,
    Till they rise again, as they were a new bell's boom,
    "He hears it not now, but used to notice such things"?


    Thomas Hardy

    hats
    March 10, 2007 - 01:23 pm
    Didn't Tennyson write about Crossing... I can't remember "crossing what," the words "crossing breeze" made my mind wander to, I know, Crossing the Bar. I think that is right.

    "And a crossing breeze cuts a pause in its outrollings,"(Thomas Hardy)

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 10, 2007 - 01:33 pm
    You're right hats - found it...

    Crossing the Bar

    Sunset and evening star,
    And one clear call for me!
    And may there be no moaning of the bar,
    When I put out to sea,

    But such a tide as moving seems asleep,
    Too full for sound or foam,
    When that which drew from out the boundless deep
    Turns again home.

    Twilight and evening bell,
    And after that the dark!
    And may there be no sadness of farewell;
    When I embark;

    For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place
    The flood may bear me far,
    I hope to see my pilot face to face
    When I have crossed the bar.

    Alfred, Lord Tennyson

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 10, 2007 - 01:53 pm
    The lines in the Hardy poem that captured me -
    "And the May month flaps its glad green leaves like wings,
    Delicate-filmed as new-spun silk,

    "glad green leaves like wings," takes my breath and followed by words that to me are so beautiful it hurts. "Delicate-filmed as new-spun silk," exquisite.

    The Timothy Steele poem that captures resolve and beauty is one he calls "Black Phoebe"... again, a poem that reminds me of Ted Kooser more than Hardy although, the common thread in the Hardy poem and this one of Timothy Steele is their observations of nature.

    Her swoops are short and low and don't aspire
    To more, it seems, than nature's common strife.
    Perching, she strops her bill across a wire
    As though she'd barbered in a former life.
    When the wire rocks, she quickly dips her tail
    A few times, and her balance doesn't fail.

    If she displays an unassuming pride--
    Compact, black-capped, black breast puffed to the sun--
    The sentiment perhaps is justified:
    Mosquitoes, gnats, and flies would overrun
    Much of the planet within several years
    But for her and her insectivorous peers.

    Not prone, as are the jays, to talking trash,
    She offers quieter companionship;
    On summer days, when starlings flap and splash
    And make the birdbath overspill and drip
    Or empty out its basin altogether,
    She seeks the shade and waits for cooler weather.

    When autumn whips the plum tree to and fro
    And rains slick its dark trunk, and pools collect
    Among its exposed roots, and Mexico
    tempts most birds of the garden to defect,
    It is a cheering check against chagrin
    To think this is the place she'll winter in.

    She makes, for now, a series of abrupt
    Dives, lifts, and turns; from a tomato stake,
    She spots a moth and darts to interrupt
    its course and then retrieves her perch to make
    A thorough survey, though at no great height,
    Of plants confided to her oversight.

    Timothy Steele

    MarjV
    March 10, 2007 - 04:11 pm
    What an amazing Hardy poem you posted, Barbara.

    And I love the "Black Phoebe". Can't you just see her going about her birdy thing!

    annafair
    March 10, 2007 - 05:10 pm
    For your post and for your help ...I am glad you mentioned Hardy for he has long been a favorite of mine and of course Robert Frost...I used one of Hardy's poems in a service I wrote or at least suggestged to the Chaplain at our base when my husband and I celebrated our 25th anniversary ..we renewed our vows and i asked the Chaplain to use Brownings How do I love thee? One of Hardy;s which I can only partly recall and another that I cant recall at all. Not be too smart I dont think I have a copy of it but who knows I just came across a list of members who attended a reunion from Sewart AFB in Tenn...and it is dated 1986 SO perhaps I will come across the copy from our anniversary....Your kindness in visiting us and making helpful comments is certainly appreciated ...and I know why your poems speak to us because your philosophy for life is ours as well.. With spring finally putting in an appearence I am ready to find a place under a shady tree, listen to the birds ( well at least admire them in thier flight although I do HEAR their songs in my heart even if not with my ears.. ) and read poetry ...anna

    JoanK
    March 10, 2007 - 05:20 pm
    How well that poem captures the phoebe -- At least the Eastern phoebe, which I know well. Now I'm a Californian., I look forward to getting to know the black phoebe, too.

    When you love birds, as I do, you always meet old friends and make new ones wherever you go.

    hats
    March 11, 2007 - 02:11 am
    Barbara, thank you so much. Oh yummy, I love Black Phoebe by Timothy Steele. Bong! It hit the spot right away. Wonderful poem.

    She makes, for now, a series of abrupt
    Dives, lifts, and turns; from a tomato stake,
    She spots a moth and darts to interrupt
    its course and then retrieves her perch to make
    A thorough survey, though at no great height,
    Of plants confided to her oversight.


    I can feel and see the Black Phoebe zipping to her favorite places: tomato stake, a moth and plants she missed along the way. I think of how we zip around shopping at the mall during the holidays. Everything calls to us. We can't allow ourselves to miss any goodies. Our world and the animal world is so much alike. I guess that's why we are drawn to have pets, go to the zoo or just sit in the park for an hour or so looking at the pigeons.

    hats
    March 11, 2007 - 02:26 am
    Anna, I love the poem How Do I Love Thee by Elizabeth Barrett Browning. So beautiful.

    MarjV, I love the way you put it, "going about her birdy thing." That's just too much. What a good description.

    JoanK, I always remember your love for birds. You told us so much about birds during the Audubon discussion. The birds have a true friend in you.

    hats
    March 11, 2007 - 02:31 am
    Black Phoebe

    This Black Phoebe does not look exactly black. Is it the camera lighting? I suppose there are different species of Black Phoebes. I love the name Phoebe.

    hats
    March 11, 2007 - 02:44 am
    When autumn whips the plum tree to and fro
    And rains slick its dark trunk, and pools collect
    Among its exposed roots, and Mexico
    tempts most birds of the garden to defect,
    It is a cheering check against chagrin
    To think this is the place she'll winter in.


    I also love Timothy Steele's thoughts of Mexico. I have noticed tree trucks after a heavy rain. Some are a dark, nut color. I have never seen a plum tree.Do their roots grow naturally above ground? Is it just that the heavy Mexican rain washes away the soil?

    Timothy Steele, have you spent much time in Mexico? I can only imagine its natural beauty with flowers, trees, birds and other animals. If you have visited Mexico, does it throw you in a spin with all sorts of poetic ideas flying through your head?

    hats
    March 11, 2007 - 02:52 am
    I have just listened to Sheets by Timothy Steele. I very much enjoyed it. I could see the sheets blowing in the wind, a rare sight these days. I also loved the mention of Leonardo da Vinci.

    Timothy Steele, your homepage is delightfully colorful. I love color too.

    Mallylee
    March 11, 2007 - 05:57 am
    The Thomas Hardy poem posted by Barbara; I dont know if it's happy or sad. It's happy because I find a soulmate here , in Hardy, his feelings being common still, in the culture of which I partake. It's sad because few know this about me.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 11, 2007 - 11:16 am
    Fabulous photo - thanks hats - I wasn't sure what a Phoebe looked like. The poem reminds me of the story of the brown wren - quietly going about the business of life - I love your association with Christmas preparation time.

    What site did you go to in order to listen to Sheets?

    Mallylee I can see Hardy as being quintessential England - the romantic England rather than the Empiric England - I think folks know us by the choices we make and the "things" which we choose to surround ourselves - are you suggesting you have not made choices that reflect who you are - it is easy to get swallowed up by others who make choices for us - however, maybe you have left more of a trail than you realize.

    Here is a shortie today - In a Eucalyptus Grove

    Some small dark thing thrashed in the path;
    And I, dumbfounded and afraid,
    Recoiling from its agony,
    Could not decipher, much less aid,

    This lizard--was it?--or young snake.
    Yet even as I stood aghast
    A long thin leaf spun down upon
    And quelled the shadow it had cast.

    Took me a couple of reads to get this one - the dark thing is really a shadow of a long thin leaf - and isn't that just how we worry about what we imagine will be an outcome. Wow quite a message with the sharp spicy scent of the Eucalyptus in my memory as I read the poem.

    hats
    March 11, 2007 - 11:29 am
    Barbara, Sheets by Timothy Steele is on his homepage in the heading. There are two or three other poems written by Timothy Steele read by another well known author.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 11, 2007 - 11:49 am
    Thanks

    hats
    March 11, 2007 - 11:53 am
    You are welcome. I can smell the Eucalyptus too.

    Mallylee
    March 11, 2007 - 04:05 pm
    Barbara my choices are circumscribed by my cultural background. I can only suppose that there are people who dont worship the beauty of tender leaves on a hawthorn bush in March, because there are people who defile the lovely things with their beer cans and empty fag packets.

    Maybe there are poems that deal with this culture of irreverence for natural beauties, but from childhood I learned to love them, and I did not choose my teachers.

    however, maybe you have left more of a trail than you realize. I think it's faith when one does what seems best. Choices are often hard. I hope that my choices have sometimes made others happier

    Mallylee
    March 11, 2007 - 04:12 pm
    Thank you Hats#1018 I was mystified until I saw your picture

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 12, 2007 - 08:19 am
    Here is a look at how we have made refuse sculptures near our highways that eventually are blown and dragged out to sea.

    At the Chautauqua Channel

    Swelled by the recent storms, the channel rushes
    Under the highway and across the beach,
    cutting a furious path to the Pacific.
    the channel's banks, like calving glaciers, slide
    Great slices of their sand into the torrent
    Whose tumbling waters bear a wealth of refuse--
    Styrofoam cups, beer cans, McDonald's wrappers,
    Condoms, flip-flops, cigarette butts, and Pampers.
    A short-billed mew gull stands on the far bank,
    Watching the sorry spectacle flood past,
    And, if she were a lexicographer,
    "A wingless animal that litters" might
    Well be her definition of a human
    Fronting the channel, the indignant sea
    Deposits booming and mist-showering waves:
    It fashioned life and sent it forth to land,
    And this is how life's most commanding species
    Returns the favor! High above the highway,
    On the eroded palisades, a house
    Hangs over the abyss--the exposed half
    Of its foundation propped by giant stilts.
    The mew gull, having seen enough, lifts off
    And lets the stiff wind gust her toward the pier
    Where weekday fishermen are casting lines
    Out to the doubtful waters. Far to seaward,
    More storm clouds gather, like the coming wrath
    Of God or Nature of the God in Nature.

    Timothy Steele

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 12, 2007 - 08:47 am
    An interesting twist for me - many a walk to the beach with my grandmother - a few miles away at a land's ending was a dump were thousands of seagulls circled; crying, and chattering with the wind cutting short their sounds. My grandmother hated seagulls - whenever she saw them she would slip into German complaining they were the dirtiest birds that were only interested in finding garbage - Come to think of it, she even said at one time she did not want to ever come back as a seagull - hmmm says a lot about Grandma's beliefs.

    The way she went on about the garbage eating seagulls you knew she meant more than the tossed out refrigerators, clothes now discarded colorless rags and torn crumpled newspaper wrappings filled with food oils [typical refuse of the 1930s and 40s before plastic of any kind]. Grandma was referring to the worst within us. One of her words I can remember she let loose with such irritation if a few gulls hovered near us was - abfallvögel

    I think to round out the picture of my Grandmother - she never could tolerate dirt - to her everyone could afford to buy or make a bar of soap - and we were not given elbow grease to waste it - this is a woman who didn't think the house was clean unless the front steps were scrubbed down. Sum her up - slim tiny women - in her garden, eating a fresh picked tomato - her cleaning - her good humor - her walking miles each day just to walk - and then boy could Grandma party - when there was a party she was in there dancing and drinking her beer with gusto. And a woman with strong opinions...! She would be in Timothy Steele's channel cleaning it up muttering in German the entire time.

    Mallylee
    March 12, 2007 - 12:30 pm
    The Chautauqua Channel. The seagull expresses my own disgust with people who probably keep their own houses clean, but when it's public property they couldn't care less. They have no sense of responsibility to anything unless they own it. It's a social disease and litter is the most obvious sign of it.

    annafair
    March 12, 2007 - 02:19 pm
    is surely a offense I have never been able to understand and while I know seagulls are trsdh collectors I confess I love to watch them ...They pick the tidbits from the beach and God must have made them for that purpose.

    Barbara thanks so much for your understanding of short poem about the leaf that cast a shadow that looked like a snake or lizard I have read it at least twice (quickly) and passed it by because I couldnt immediately understand I intended to return and make sense of it but YOU DID and I am so relieved funny how we overlook small things in life and poetry....The next poem is from Sapphics and Uncertainities and for some reason I have always been concious of the soltice regardless of when they arrived...One year we spent the summer soltice in Norway with a couple that we knew from the miltiary...I dont know how anyone could sleep that night It seemed such a momentious thing...it didnt get dark more like early dusk and then it was morning again..so here is Timothy's poem

    Nightpiece for the Summer Soltice


    The guests gone, I stack up the paper plates.
    The folding chairs no longer look unstable;
    A swarm of midges cluster and dilates
    Over the picnic table;


    And I recall,In country meadows, mists
    Are starting their white congquests of the land--
    Lines written when I thought French Symbolists
    Were part of a brass band.


    The soul may suffer a fastidious twitch,
    And yet each schoolboy verse seems fitting now,
    This mothy, lilac evening being more rich
    Then good taste might allow.


    Sounds of a neighbor's lawnmower, the elms
    Unstirring in full leaf, the squirrel that lopes
    Over the dark grass seem of other realms,
    Dream worlds in which all hopes


    Are granted a sufficiency of light.
    What stars define the sky now day is finished,
    Define it of a world which, though in night,
    Is green and undiminished.


    I cant speak for others but this poems takes me back to my childhood when we sat on a front porch hidden by the moonflower vines my mother trellis trained to make a green room Even in the lower latitudes there was oddness to the dusk , and I always felt a sadness as if not just the day was slowly ending but so was I ...

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 12, 2007 - 02:32 pm
    oh I love the flow of " Nightpiece for the Summer Soltice" - each stanza is a jewel of its own - one of my favorites not just because of the memories that the poem brings out but the sound of it is lovely - and the descriptive choices are new -

    This could have been such a hackney piece but Timothy Steele did a yeoman's job on this one - if he worked hard it doesn't show - as if it came whole from another realm... Don't you just love "mothy, lilac evening" and another new way of saying things that caught my attention, " What stars define the sky now day is finished," - love it...

    Just brought in the mail and there it is - "The Color Wheel" that I ordered a week or so ago... looking forward to an evening of reading new poems...

    MarjV
    March 12, 2007 - 03:29 pm
    I, too, loved the "mothy lilac evening" line. I could almost taste it.

    And I giggled at the thought of French symbolists as part of a brass band.

    What a quietness is brought forth by the "elms unstirring in full leaf."

    Wonderful poem.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 13, 2007 - 06:33 pm
    The Swing

    She shrieks as she sweeps past the earth
    And, rising, pumps for all she's worth;
    the chains she grips almost go slack;
    Then, seated skyward, she drops back.

    When swept high to the rear, she sees
    Below the park the harbor's quays,
    Cranes, rail tracks, transit sheds, and ranks
    Of broad, round silver storage tanks.

    Her father lacks such speed and sight,
    Though, with a push, he launched her flight,
    Now, hands in pockets, he stands by
    And, for her safety, casts his eye

    Over the ground, examining
    The hollow underneath the swing
    Where, done with aerial assault,
    She'll scuff, in passing, to a halt.

    "aerial assault" I love it - makes her sound so accomplished and adventurous - "rail tracks, transit sheds," - "silver storage tanks" I love the play on words here starting with the same letter of the alphabet -

    MarjV
    March 14, 2007 - 05:30 am
    Thanks for posting the Swing poem, Barbara. Love to see kids on those swings - their faces just filled with excitement.

    I smiled at how dad is described as being much more "down to earth" in studying the ground area.

    ~Marj

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 14, 2007 - 08:16 am
    Yes, I had not noticed but, yes... "Her father lacks such speed and sight," and then later he "casts his eye Over the ground, examining The hollow underneath the swing" - like an insurance policy this Dad - sure not one to join her and share the excitement of seeing the wonders is he... All kinds of parenting...

    JoanK
    March 14, 2007 - 03:42 pm
    I love the swing poem. I still remember the excitement as a child, swinging high and seeing far.

    I'll never forget -- one of my students once told me: her mother had been a child in old China. Girls were kept within the walled family property, and she had never seen the town outside her gates. But there was a swing! She found if she swung really, really high, she could see over the wall, and see what the rest of the world looked like.

    ALF
    March 14, 2007 - 07:17 pm
    Today I attended a lecture about Yeats by a Professor who has spent years and years researching and writing books about him. What a wonderful class. He was so passionate and articulate. I loved it. Tomorrow his lecture is about Michael Collins.

    annafair
    March 14, 2007 - 10:27 pm
    I dont go as high because I have seen the world and think sometime it was better a view I saw when I was young and sailed high to see what I could see ...grass, and flowers, sky and clouds and my parents face....Alf I am so happy you are enjoying your lecture ..A bit envious since I no longer hear that well BUT once I did and my mind remembers the joy of learning and feeling and understanding ...the poem I chose for today I have read at least a dozen times..a coda to me seems like an afterthought ...does this pome mean the poet has heard the music of the wind ..and now wishes to go to sleep and not have it intrude ? and the wind wont be still and adds an afterthought and the listener wonders how can you deny or hide or close out something you really dont know I am ready for bed and I think I will think of this poem as I try to close out the unseen mysterious voices of night ...

    Coda in Wind


    Now moonlight has defined
    The agile spruce and fir;
    And though we draw the blind
    We hear their dark limbs stir


    The mild, familiar air
    That we would shut outside
    If only we knew where,
    Or when , or what, to hide.


    Timothy Steele Sapphics and Uncertainties

    ALF
    March 15, 2007 - 08:16 am
    Oh Anna, I love that. When I first read this I felt that it was a cry for Peace for ones self. But- on my second reading I feel the dark limbs are threatening, sinister almost. The decay is there but these appendages of decay are still stirring.

    hmm is it about life and death? The curtain of life enshrouds the agile (young) and strong. I'm probably way off on this one. What do you think gals?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 15, 2007 - 08:58 am
    Where I haven't noticed that Timothy Steele is necessarily a poet who depends on myth and symbolism deep in our DNA I think we all know that the moon is the dark side of nature and often represents the spiritual where as evergreen trees represent everlasting life with the limbs representing diversity that go back to the unity of the trunk.

    Only after thinking hard on this poem and putting my instinct together that said consider the symbolism did I come up with some meaning that made sense to me.

    I get the impression this is about the ongoing life force both spiritual and everlasting that regardless how much we pay attention is there reaching into our daily 'doing' - our life span - the familiar - We have no idea where it originates or how it affects our lives - or what is around the next bend so to speak - it is like that pull that St. Augustine speaks of when he says something to the affect that there is a natural pull in man towards God.

    Some of us may consider that nature is the manifestation of God and others simply see nature as part of the continuum of the universe - those are the big questions that take too much effort for most of us to consider therefore, we would prefer to ignore or hide from them is what I think Timothy Steele is suggesting when he says, "If only we knew where, Or when, or what, to hide."

    Alf I think a poem has meaning to each of us that is sometimes a bit different to each of us. We bring to a poem our values and life experiences which are different for each of us and so life and death is as valid for you as my concept of a spiritual awakening that most of us shun.

    I started to look at the word endings - by pairing them I thought that may give us a clue - defined/blind fir/stir air/where outside/hide. hmmm says something to me - what is defined we are blind to -- the fir or evergreen tree stirs - the question where in the air - hmmm our outside hides? Maybe... or we hide in the outside. I like that - the outside to me can mean the outside demeanor that we each project or it could mean society, which is outside who we are...

    Wow just enough given in this poem to make it tantalizing -

    Tim Steele
    March 15, 2007 - 10:37 am
    Thank you, as always, for your very thoughtful comments about my poems. I'm delighted that the one about the black phoebe seemed engaging or appealing--not that I'm not appreciative that others have found favor, too! But I have a special fondness for the black phoebe. Like Joan (I believe it was Joan who made this observation), I knew and liked eastern phoebes, having grown up in Vermont. But the black phoebe, which is relatively common in Los Angeles County, came as a revelation to me when I moved here. It is the same size as the eastern species, and has the same tail-dipping habit, but it has lovely plumage (as the poem tries to indicate). The bird's head and back are a soft glossy sable and its belly is snowy white.

    "Coda in Wind" is one of the first poems I wrote. If memory serves, I was 20 or 21. I was trying to communicate the mixture of attraction and anxiety one feels (or that I felt when I was writing the poem) about the beauty and mysteriousness of the natural world. To put it another way, I was trying to suggest something of our eerie sense of being part of nature and yet, at the same time, of being apart from it and observers of it. Most of us, I suspect, recognize that we are born of nature and that it's good for us to stay connected with it. But nature can also overwhelm us--either through unchecked instincts from within, or from without through forces like Hurricane Katrina. And it appears that God or Nature or the Spirit of the Universe wishes us to respect our intelligence and consciousness as special gifts, and to keep them at least partly separate from natural process.

    But all this is only obliquely implied, I realize, in "Coda in Wind." I was groping for a way to address a subject that was (and may still be!) beyond my grasp.

    The setting of "Coda," incidentally, is a "camp" on Lake Champlain that my mother and my aunt share. My brother, sister, and I summered there when we were young. The camp is surrounded by trees, many of them evergreens. A couple of years ago, I revisited that setting in a longer and more simply descriptive poem, "August," which appears in TOWARD THE WINTER SOLSTICE.

    Again, thank you for your careful readings. Lucky is the bard who receives such thoughtful and appreciative attention.

    Tim Steele

    MarjV
    March 15, 2007 - 10:51 am
    And think of all the thoughts from "Coda" and it is only 8 lines long!

    ALF
    March 15, 2007 - 11:09 am
    Mr. Steele, accept my humble apologies. Here you are embracing the beauty of Lake Champlain and I am flirting with the death of the limbs. It must speak to the way I feel this week after returning from a week in NY State's 5 below zero weather.

    Barb, I always love your take of things. Thank you.

    Mallylee
    March 15, 2007 - 02:08 pm
    Oh yes, it is not right to shut out the natural, real things, it's like 'what is theis life if , full of care. we have no time to stand and stare'.

    hats
    March 16, 2007 - 05:51 am
    Mallylee, good point!

    hats
    March 16, 2007 - 08:07 am
    Here is a photo of Timothy Steele's poem in his handwriting. Seeing his handwriting makes his visit here even more personal. You have to scroll down.

    Timothy Steele

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 16, 2007 - 08:23 am
    Great Timothy - thanks for giving us a heads up on "Coda..." - as Marj says, sure is a lot packed into only 8 lines.

    Mallylee is "no time to stand and stare" your quote or from another author - it sounds so right regardless - it says so much in just a few words.

    Alf I love it - "flirting with the death of limbs." Like fingers and toes

    Off the subject but for some reason that is beyond me now I decided a few years ago to get rid of many of the books that were not in constant use which included a small bird identification book - it may be a couple of years later but boy did I wish I had that book yesterday. A migrating flock of something took over my back yard for about 45 minutes - they were at the tanks of water I leave out for the deer and then stripping the China Berry trees of last year's berries as well as the berries left on the Nandina -

    Driving me batty that I have no way of looking up what this bird is - - not large - slim, much like a cardinal but with a brownish coat - white at the end of their tail feathers and what baffled me they all had this rosey golden blush on their breasts. I thought a few may have had a top knot or whatever it is called - like a jay - but they were not nearly as large as a jay although larger than a sparrow. Just about the size of a cardinal. Since there are so many different kinds of Verios I wonder if that is what they were...

    Migrating birds sure are a dithering lot - zoom, swoop, swish, from tree to tree, none stop movement. Well today I better zoom and swish - lots to do...

    JoanK
    March 17, 2007 - 12:37 am
    BARBARA: don't give me a bird puzzle: I wont rest til I solve it. from your excellent description, could they be cedar waxwings? They are a little bigger than a sparrow, brown, noticeably slim and trim, emphasized because they sit more upright than most birds, yellowish breast, crest. The end of their tail is yellow, not white, but could seem white. They do have a black mask. They always migrate in flocks. Picture below.

    CEDAR WAXWING

    Mallylee
    March 17, 2007 - 02:38 am






    W. H. Davies

    Leisure

    WHAT is this life if, full of care,

    We have no time to stand and stare?—

    No time to stand beneath the boughs,

    And stare as long as sheep and cows:

    No time to see, when woods we pass,

    Where squirrels hide their nuts in grass:

    No time to see, in broad daylight,

    Streams full of stars, like skies at night:

    No time to turn at Beauty's glance,

    And watch her feet, how they can dance:

    No time to wait till her mouth can

    Enrich that smile her eyes began?

    A poor life this if, full of care,

    We have no time to stand and stare.



    Mallylee
    March 17, 2007 - 02:44 am
    I hope you find out about the birds, Barbara. I have done this too, got rid of something I thought was no use and regretted it. Is there a poem in this idea?

    annafair
    March 17, 2007 - 07:46 am
    Being a Hannigan before Alexander I do have to send you this greeting ....

    I had to smile when Timothy said he wrote CODA when he was 21? young in any case I wonder if the following was written about the same time ...I understand this poem well since I have written a poem about the irredescent path a slug made across my stairs and a tiny moth caught in my window screen once...and always marvel at the webs spider's spin,,,,not that I dont step on a bug once in awhile ...especially on my kitchen floor but the poems posted by Steele and the one by Mally it would seem we all respect and admire the smaller creatures of our world I wonder if a gentle child who admires all things small doesnt grow up to be a loving adult I see my blond little boy at 3 running inside to show me his friend, An open palm held a wooly caterpillar and he said Isnt it pretty? And he is a loving adult...I like to think his father and I helped ...

    SMALL LIVES


    Having explored the oddly solar weather
    Inside a lampshade, the dazed fly will tire
    Drop to the desk, and rub front legs together
    As though to warm itself before a fire.


    Capsizing with a shovelful of peat,
    A pill bug wobbles on its back with fear :
    It works its numerous and frantic feet,
    Then curls its segments up into a sphere.


    The topsoil or the manuscript can wait:
    I plant my spade or break off in mid-phrase.
    If asked why such small lives so fascinate
    Why I observe them, I can't really tell.
    But a responsive impulse moves my gaze,
    An impulse I can see in them as well.


    Timothy Steele Sapphics and Uncertainties

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 17, 2007 - 12:06 pm
    Hmmm not a Cedar Waxwing - they did not have that black mark on the side of their heads - and from the photo a Cedar Waxwing looks a bit chubby compared to these sleek birds - but then I have noticed when birds are in flight migrating they tend to look less chubby. Even a Cardinal would look too chubby for this bird - I am off to Border's tomorrow and will break down and get another bird book - I liked that book I had because the had pages of silhouettes for various species that was so helpful trying to ID a bird.

    I just love that poem Mallylee - I am copying it and sending it out to my daughter and sister and my best friend.

    O lordy a fly and a pill bug - shades of being 5 and watching all sorts of bugs. Another that used to fascinate me was to see the dust in a shaft of light.

    hehehe a Timothy Steele poem that is right up my alley today - I am just feeling out of sorts with everything and there is nothing decent in the house to eat - I have skipped breakfast and put off lunch so that now I am hungry - oh there are cans of soup and an opened can of peaches - there are eggs and celery, potatoes and onions, butter and jam - but no bread, no crackers, no easy to heat frozen dinners, no fresh fruit, no lettuce or tomatoes. All it would take is a trip to the grocery store and I would have all sorts of choices - but I just do not feel like changing my clothes and going to a store filled with people, all in a hurry on a Saturday. Decisions - what to do - I am not comfortable with either of my choices.

    Decisions, Decisions

    Free will being, it is commonly agreed,
    a glory of the species, why balk at choice
    Or, nettled and perplexed by doubt, resort
    To heads-or-tails or petals of a flower?
    Whence come these indecision, abdications?

    Riding the bus home on wet nights, one sees
    The boarded store-fronts, the shapes slumped in doorways;
    The rain blows curtains of illusory silver
    Under the streetlights. In God alone, intentions
    And execution are simultaneous.

    In God alone can choice be sure it is choice.
    The contingent spirit must whistle in the dark.
    Backing itself up, choosing, choosing, knowing
    That time may claim those choices with its own
    Inevitable art of history.


    I like that - our history is the sum of our choices - it almost takes away the feeling you must make the right choice because bottom line there really isn't one right choice is there - no matter the choice there will be an outcome to deal with... either our choice will lead us to a boarded up area of our life that may not even become an area of desolation because of our own choice but because factors beyond our control affected our best efforts. hmmmm That says a lot to me - that line of thinking makes me aware how much we spin our wheels by blaming when things happen that make us unhappy -

    I am sure the boarded up businesses that were once thriving are either unhappy with their loss or have moved on to another location. Whatever happened to make that area no longer the thriving market place was not the fault of any one business. The shop owners all made their decision to open thinking success because the area was successful. hmmmm I can translate that line of thinking to some personal decisions I have made - a wakeup call not take credit for all that did not turn out as I expected...

    I think I will bake a potato. Dull but filling and take it easy today with a cup of tea and a book to read... Tonight the Brit Coms are on TV. A can of soup will do fine with a desert of peaches and then tomorrow morning I can go shopping after the hurry-up-Saturday shoppers have gone their way...

    Annie3
    March 17, 2007 - 12:53 pm
    I watch bugs too and I sure liked that poem.
    The bird flock, I was wondering if they might be female Cardinals migrating separately from males?
    http://www.capecodtravel.com/attractions/nature/birding_0801b.jpg

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 17, 2007 - 01:11 pm
    except the bottom of the tail had white on it - like a band of white along the bottom of the tail that I could easily see when they were flying. But that is what I thought too until I saw that band of white - and that rosey blush on their breast was almost iridescent. I think we have a Bird group here on senior net I ought to mosey on over and see if they have some links to help with IDing birds.

    MarjV
    March 18, 2007 - 06:52 am
    I too watch what's moving - bugs, caterpillars, birds, ants, children. All encapsulated in being one with the wonders of the natural world. Making a decision for time of "watching" takes that time away from something else. Just as the poem says decisions are part of our history.

    "impulsive response" - I like that phrase that TS used in that poem about watching small things. A quick decision is needed else the wee thing may be gone.

    ~Marj

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 19, 2007 - 02:59 pm
    Just got in after a long day - Anna called just as I was heading out the door for a training session saying she could not be online for a few days - she said something that I am not familiar with and do not know how to spell - celitus?? - tried to Google it but notta - then I tried calitus and selitus but nothing - I hope y'all know what this is and can give me a clue - anyhow Anna is out for a few days - I have been busier than a bee in summer so that my time has also been cut a bit short - I will be back on later tonight...

    MarjV
    March 19, 2007 - 04:03 pm
    Barbara, I bet she said colitis. The gastrici problem. Or cellulitis, an acute tissue infection.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 19, 2007 - 07:41 pm
    Colitus I know and it was not that word since that word has a hard c - this was a soft c like an s so maybe the second - the tissue infection is what Anna was talking about.

    Looked it up and the definition is: Cellulitis is an acute inflammation of the connective tissue of the skin, caused by infection with staphylococcus, streptococcus or other bacteria

    The skin normally has many types of bacteria living on it, but intact skin is an effective barrier that keeps these bacteria from entering and growing within the body. When there is a break in the skin, however, bacteria can enter the body and grow there, causing infection and inflammation. The skin tissues in the infected area become red, hot, irritated and painful.

    Cellulitis is most common on the lower legs and the arms or hands, although other areas of the body may sometimes be involved. If it involves the face (erysipelas), medical attention is urgent. People with fungal infections of the feet, who have skin cracks in the webspaces between the toes, may have cellulitis that keeps coming back, because the cracks in the skin offer an opening for bacteria.

    Sounds dreadful and very uncomfortable - This is for Anna -

    CIRCUMSTANCE

    A man who was about to hang himself,
    Finding a purse, then threw away his
    rope;
    The owner, coming to reclaim his pelf,
    The halter found, and used it. So is
    Hope
    Changed for Despair; one laid upon the
    shelf,
    We take the other. Under heaven's
    high cope
    Fortune is God; all you endure and do
    Depends on circumstance as much as you.
    Percy Bysshe Shelley - From Epigrams from the Greek published by Mrs. Shelley, 1839

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 19, 2007 - 08:10 pm
    I'm in a mood tonight - my son is on my mind - this Shelley published by Leigh Hunt edited of the Examiner is the right tone -

    LINES
    the cold earth slept below;
    Above the cold sky shone;
    And all around,
    With a chilling sound,
    From caves of ice and fields of snow
    The breath of night like death did flow
    Beneath the sinking moon.

    The wintry hedge was black;
    The green grass was not seen;
    The birds did rest
    On the bare thorn's breast,
    whose roots, beside the pathway track,
    Had bound their folds o'er many a crack
    Which the frost had made between.

    Thine eyes glowed in the glare
    Of the moon's dying light;
    As a fen-fire's beam
    On a sluggish steam
    Gleams dimly -- so the moon shone there,
    And it yellowed the strings of the tangled
    hair,
    That shook in the wind of night.

    The moon made the lips pale, beloved;
    The wind made the bosom chill;
    The night did shed
    On they dear head
    Its frozen dew, and thou didst lie
    Where the bitter breath of the naked sky
    Might visit thee at will.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 20, 2007 - 12:30 am
    I should go to bed but that is a normal thing to do - and tonight I do not feel normal - I read this poem which reminds me of my day as I tired to rummage out in broad daylight - taking care of appointments and errands that were important - 'doing' what did not satisfy but necessary while my spirit was hidden in its own underbrush. Upon arriving home I closed the garage door as if walking into a deep wood shutting out the world, scattering my own thoughts trying not to think and just veg, accomplishing nothing, waiting for the winter snow on my brain so I can shut down and get back to work... This Timothy Steele poem is right on the mark...

    Long Paces

    We'd not have guessed that we'd be heartened so
    To see this snowshoe rabbit, months from snow,

    Come from the woods with that shy tread of his,
    Drawn by our bushy rows of lettuces,

    His summer coat all rich soft grays and browns,
    His feet as overstated as a clown's.

    How delicate he is: he holds no brief
    For this or that variety of leaf,

    But tried each, crouching as a cat will do
    Before a dinner bowl and, when he's through,

    Slips back across the grasses gingerly
    (Binoculars enable us to see

    The crickets that his cautious loping flush)
    And vanishes into the underbrush.

    JoanK
    March 20, 2007 - 01:08 am
    BARBARA: a beautiful poem. I have had many nights like yours. I'm with you in spirit.

    hats
    March 20, 2007 - 03:09 am
    There is a soft quiet about the night. My mind works better at night. There is so much to do during the daytime. I love both poems especially Long Paces by Timothy Steele.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 20, 2007 - 09:31 pm
    If nothing else the line "Windows, sun-struck, ignite;" captured me -- those red, fire red, windows in the morning after the sun has just risen over the horizon have always stopped me in my tracks -

    Since I am high on a mesa the sun comes up below me and hits the windows on an angle - the air feels yellow and you know, that inside the box with the fire red eyes, folks are still sleeping in rooms that hold on to the smoky blues and blueberry purples of night -

    I have put out the trash many an early morning when the windows are first hit by the sun and practically blind me - rather than be annoyed I always smile at the temerity of the wake up shout - I wonder if I am a secret pyromaniac because those windows sure look like they are holding fire...

    AURORA

    Your sleep is so profound
    This room seems a recess
    Awaiting consciousness.
    Gauze curtains, drawn around
    The postered bed, confute
    Each waking attribute—
    Volition, movement, sound.

    Outside, though, chilly light
    Shivers a puddle's coil
    Of iridescent oil;
    Windows, sun-struck, ignite;
    Doves strut along the edge
    Of roof- and terrace-ledge
    And drop off into flight.

    And soon enough you'll rise.
    Long-gowned and self-aware,
    Brushing life through your hair,
    You'll notice with surprise
    The way your glass displays,
    Twin-miniatured, your face
    In your reflective eyes.

    Goddess, it's you in whom
    Our clear hearts joy and chafe.
    Awaken, then. Vouchsafe
    Ideas to resume.
    Draw back the drapes: let this
    Quick muffled emphasis
    Flood light across the room.

    MarjV
    March 21, 2007 - 07:34 am
    I had forgotten this:

    Aurora - - - -In Roman mythology, the goddess of dawn, equivalent to the Greek goddess Eos

    Thus the poem fits to it's title and is perhaps the subject's name.

    And I love the line: brushing life thru your hair,

    Poem is rather like an ode to a woman beloved.

    hats
    March 21, 2007 - 07:42 am
    I feel a wonderful day awaits the woman. Those mornings are special. Everything around you just bristles with life. Thank you Timothy Steele.

    Barbara, thank you for the information about Aurora.

    hats
    March 21, 2007 - 07:43 am
    I hope Scrawler will return soon.

    Scrawler
    March 21, 2007 - 08:59 am
    I'm still here in spirit only. They sent my mother home with a bunch of pills. There really isn't anything to be done at the moment. We found a place for both of them, but it will take awhile to get them in there. And than the house has to be fixed up to sell so I still read your thoughts but my time is limited and my own brain is full of cobwebs.

    hats
    March 21, 2007 - 09:05 am
    Scrawler, I can imagine. Just know you haven't been forgotten. You are missed. Life always come first especially for those we love.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 21, 2007 - 10:28 am
    Scrawler! how great to see your post - YES! You are missed - my thoughts and prayers are with you - this is not an easy time for you or your parents is it - we thought we were loosing Bill over the weekend - he and Charlotte are my very best friends - closer to me than my sisters - he has lived a long life but his body is not healing - he is 91 and Charlotte is now 86 - hard for me to believe but her younger two children are the same age and were good friends with my children. They have both been so very active up till about 3 years ago but they are in the unique situation of being able to stay in their home. Charlotte was one of 5 who put the book together for Austin of all the services available for the sick and elderly and so she has been able to tap into all sorts of help from someone to come each day and help Bill with his shower to now hospice that comes to the house.

    Although he just may rally still we are all aware it can only be for a short time longer. They are doing something I think is great - together they are creating a scrape book of all their memories - things they did as kids and with their kids - Bill was a navy seal during WWII who put dynamite packs under the Japanese ships - then he had to swim back to his sub or small boat before the explosion - often he did not make it and the slam of the explosions left him deaf - I can only remember for a few years the hearing aids actually working but to this day he is a bright articulate decent man who tries to bring good humor even to the nurses who are caring for him.

    Part of the reason Charlotte came up with this scrape book idea is Bill was doubting he had any impact during his life - he saw Charlotte as being given one award after the other and being a part of so many organizations while he plowed on at his work - interesting how we thought the world of him and his influence on his family as well as those he worked with, who are still coming to visit him after all these years, but he doubted his value.

    Scrawler I hope you and your parents are coming through this stronger with greater understanding of each other than before...

    annafair
    March 22, 2007 - 07:27 am
    I am at my computer today but am supposed to keep my leg elevated and it is cellulitis that I have ...It doesnt look better but it doesnt look worse and the medicine says 7-10 days and this is the 4th Scrawler this is not an easy time for any of you and please know I am thinking of you and praying you can resolve this in a way that is positive for your parents and you ,. Give them hugs from all of us....

    I am including the main part of a message forwarded to me by Marcie suggesting some of you might like to check this site out I did and think it is a worthwhile site about two ladies who are YOUNG WITHIN which describes us all regardless of our actual age There site is about their poetry and the poems they write ..I see the doctor on Friday again and hope he will give me an encouraging report ...love to all and I did read the posts I missed...

    I'd like to take this moment to introduce you to one of the most beautiful web sites that I have ever had the pleasure to visit. I'm sure that you will, as I did, subscribe to all their wonderful poetry and sensitivities of life within themselves. Please click the link below and enjoy the poem and then scroll to the bottom of their page and click on the small window arrow and go to their home page and enjoy the rest of their work and, also subscribe...you will never be disappointed...

    http://youngwithin.co.uk/nevertoolate.html

    hats
    March 22, 2007 - 07:45 am
    The pages, poetry, photos, music is beyond lovely. I haven't finished looking and enjoying yet. I will remember any number of times to go back to be satisfied again. This is so special.

    Tim Steele
    March 22, 2007 - 11:35 am
    Many thanks, as always, for your thoughtful comments on my poems. Thinking of "Small Lives" and "Long Paces" reminds me that one concern I feel for my students here in Los Angeles is that many of them have never had the chance (or been encouraged) to develop a connection with the natural world. As I'm sure we all agree, it's critical to do this if we're to develop and maintain a collective respect for our planet and its preservation. And as Barbara suggests, it's critical to connect with nature individually, so that, at the end of a busy day (or during a difficult time), we can draw on its resources of healing and peace.

    Shelley's translation/epigram put me in mind of a fine poet friend of his, who also wrote epigrams. This was Walter Savage Landor. His excellent elegy "Rose Aylmer" is still in many historical anthologies of English verse, but even better perhaps are some of his funny, rueful epigrams. In case anyone is interested, here are some samples of his work:

    THE GEORGES

    George the First was always reckoned Vile, but viler George the Second; And what mortal ever heard Any good of George the Third? When from earth the Fourth descended (God be praised!) the Georges ended.

    (As you can tell, Landor was a serious anti-monarchist!)

    ON SEEING A HAIR OF LUCRETIA BORGIA

    Borgia, thou once wert almost too august And high for adoration; now thou'rt dust. All that remains of thee, these plaits unfold, Calm hair, meandering in pellucid gold.

    DIRCE

    Stand close around, ye Stygian set, With Dirce in one boat conveyed! Or Charon, seeing, may forget That he is old and she a shade.

    PLAYS

    How soon, alas, the hours are over Counted us out to play the lover! And how much narrower is the stage Allotted us to play the sage! But when we play the fool, how wide The theatre expands; beside, How long the audience sits before us! How many prompters! What a chorus!

    ON THE DISTRIBUTION OF HONOURS IN LITERATURE

    The grandest writer of late ages Who wrapt Rome up in golden pages, Whom scarcely Livius equal'd, Gibbon, Died without star or cross or ribbon.

    ROSE AYLMER

    Ah, what avails the sceptred race, Ah what the form divine! What every virtue, every grace! Rose Aylmer, all were thine. Rose Aylmer, whom these wakeful eyes May weep, but never see, A night of memories and sighs I consecrate to thee.

    I, too, was intrigued by the mystery bird. Its habits did make it sound like a cedar waxwing, though they have quite a prominent crest, in addition the yellow stripe at the bottom of the tail. In Southern California flocks of cedar waxwings appear in the spring and swarm our pyracanthus bushes, devouring the scarlet berries. And these make the birds drunk! You've never heard such racket as is made by these avian devotees of Bacchus.

    Again, thank you for your thoughtful observations.

    Jim in Jeff
    March 22, 2007 - 03:43 pm
    On March 1, I discovered that my mid-size town in Missouri doesn't carry Steele's books at either its B&N or local public library. Could order one, either place. Chose library (it's freer that way). In MO a system called Mobius links MO's academic libraries. But it took 3 weeks "in transit," coming from Olin Library, Washington U in STL...125 miles east to me in Jeff City.

    While awaiting delivery of my book (Toward the Winter Soltice), I found Anna'a link atop forum to Timothy's website good. Has several of his choices of good poems, plus a bio and other stuff. Good link, Anna!

    Elsewhere on WWW, his poems often require a personal "sign-up" to view. So...I've read just a few of his poems until "Toward the Winter Soltice" arrived Tuesday. Glad I waited! I've just read all its 35 poemst...and I think this has given me a larger view of his work than did my reading just a few selected poems at his website.

    I think I sense a predominant and common thread in most poems. He takes ordinary views and mundane moments...and inspires in readers a "wake-up call": Pay more attention to the many details that one could be enjoying in our greatest gift of all: Life.

    Most of his 35 poems in TTWS do that to me: a new snowfall; a lake boatride; gym night; petting a dog; a girl swinging; details within a herb garden; our returning our sea's water in filthy fashion; a leaf in footpath ahead; a widower content to just feed his cat; a non-consumated tutor/student relationship; noting a phoebe's uniqueness; a career-consumed mid-lifer; a pulsating water fountain in urbanity's midst; a bird's view of us at an airport; etc., etc.

    Is at least two EXCEPTIONS to describing simple images in this collection. In these he does tactfully alert us readers. "In the Italian Alps" is a near-bedtime scene at a chalet, Europe's "winds of war" rising ominously. TS's subtle "alert" is a "1913" in upper-right.

    Today we readers all know Europe's WW I was approaching. Another exception is his poem "April 27, 1937." Here the title is his clue, our cue. WW II is beginning and "civilized" countries are bombing innocent civilians...what in 2007 we often tend to call the other side's "terrorist tactics."

    In his poems, his line rhythms (feet?), rhymes, and near-rhymes are always there, but they never distract from the image at hand. Like our silent helps from a private friend.

    My favorite poem in TTWS is "Joanna, Wading." It's just an older woman enjoying a lake:

    "Too frail to swim, she nonetheless
    Gingerly lifts her cotton dress..."

    (14 middle-poem equally image-describing lines here) But at poem's end she still can recall lake-enjoying times:

    "Whose glowing cords she swam among
    In summertime when she was young."

    Notice how the above rhythms and rhymes...help the flow, but don't detract from the imagery. Good stuff, TS!

    annafair
    March 22, 2007 - 06:32 pm
    nearly finished and hit a wrong key ...I am not up to repeating it now but will remember and do it tomorrow...miss you heaps..anna

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 23, 2007 - 01:50 am
    Never heard of Walter Savage Landor and so I had to look him up and found a site that included most all of his poems - Thanks for the intro Timothy - I must admit though to me the "Rose Alysem" almost sounded corny - there is probably something there that I am missing however, if he was a compatriot of Shelley it could simply be the time in history when some poetry seemed corny. Maybe because we have heard it so often and the times we heard it was when we were full of beans in high school taking little seriously.

    You sure have to know you myths, Greeks and Romans to appreciate much of the work - The Georges was fun to read but Dirce gotcha... seeing Dirce written as a long sentence gave it more punch then if it was written in lines -

    I often wondered why in poetry when the line is not the complete sentence the next line starts with the first word capitalized - if the first word were not capitalized in my mind it would make a better connection but neither here nor there I just wonder why each line starts with the first word capitalized.

    Jim I agree, the poems in "Toward the Winter Soltice" seem richer and varied - I also have a copy of "The color Wheel" - some of the poems I like and a few do not speak to me - where as all the poetry in "Toward The Winter Soltice" were poems I like to read and re-read.

    I like this one - feels good, cozy and safe and puts a smile on your face while reading it...

    Walking Her Home

    Exhilarated by the wet and wind,
    He may have been too quick and droll by half,
    But she was at his side and capuchinned,
    And he felt cheered that he could make her laugh,
    As gusts splashed water-droplets from the trees;
    Though other nights would sink him to a chair,
    His head bowed and his elbows on his knees,
    His hands plunged in the darkness of his hair,
    H folded back her hood and kissed her brow.
    And that much she would never disavow.
    They walked on, trading jest and anecdote;
    The street was plastered leaves and chestnut burs;
    His hands deep in the pockets of his coat,
    She tightly hugged his arm in both of hers.

    Interesting how every other line rhymes except for line 9 and 10 where the rhymed last word follow each other at the end of those two lines and then it picks up again with every other line rhyming. This is not the rhyme scheme of a Sonnet and yet, there are 14 lines. Maybe a Sonnet does not have to adhere to either a abbaabba cdecde - or - abab bcbc cdcd ee...

    The poem reads more like a scene in Vermont than a scene where the Santa Ana blows. The coat is the give away unless the Santa Ana blows much colder than I imagine, but then a Santa Ana doesn't bring rain does it - is there a wet cold wind that blows in southern California?

    Thinking about it, walking your girl home is almost old fashioned - I cannot recall the last time I saw a couple strolling with her holding on to his arm with both hands except, when a couple would wait to purchase a ticket to a movie or game - now it seems they are jogging together or coming and going in their vehicle - not even a stroll to their vehicle any longer since most places valet park. Even today when I brought Charlotte to the hospital to stay with Bill for the day, if I were staying they would valet park my car.

    OH Anna how frustrating - guess we all do it from time to time - at least on word if you mess up you can retrieve it but these posts are not set up to save when things go bump in the night --- grrrr.

    annafair
    March 23, 2007 - 05:01 am
    In the lost post I thanked Jim for his words and sharing. Everyone's thoughts and feelings only add to my thinking and enhances my understanding SO all comments are much appreciated. Tim I hope you know how much your posts are appreciated. Everyone who reads here does not post but through email they tell me poetry is the most serene discussion on SN I know reading your posts aids their understanding and appreciation of all poetry...

    I have said numerous times how much poetry means to me...Because of poetry my life and appreciation of small things have given my unexpected joy,. Since I take my medicine at 6 am 12pm 6pm and 12am I am in my kitchen when the only light is a small one flowing from a pale yellow shade...the other evening as I gathered what I needed I was caught by a pale moon looking up from my dogs aluminum water dish...the yellow shade had given it color and my imagination honed over my lifetime by poetry recognized a special moment ..one I needed ..to see it lie there shaded like the real moon from the bottom the dish ..it was whimsical and lovely and made me feel better ...I owe my appreciation for that moment to all the poets who took a simple moment and made it memorable.Jim pointed that out in his post on TS's poems and I thank both Tim for sharing his poetic ability and Jim for reminding us how important poetry shows us a path to knowing the importance of enjoying those special moments in life...

    Here is a poem from TS's Sapphics and Uncertainities

    The Sheets


    From breezeway or through front porch screen
    You'd see the sheets, wide blocks of white
    Defined against a backdrop of
    A field whose grasses were a green
    Intensity of light.


    How fresh they looked there on the line,
    Their laundered sweetness through the hours
    Gathered richly in the air
    While cumulus clouds gathered in
    Topheavily piled towers.


    We children tightroped the low walls
    Along the garden; bush and bough
    And the washed sheets moved in the wind
    And thinking of this now recalls
    Vasari's tale of how


    Young Leonardo, charmed of sight
    Would buy in the loud marketplace
    Caged birds and set them free--thus yielding
    Back to the air that gave him light
    Lost beauty and lost grace.


    So with the sheets; for as they drew
    Clear warming sunlight from the sky
    They gave to light their rich, clean scent.
    And when, the long day nearly through
    My cousin Anne and I


    Would take the sheets down from the line
    We'd fold in baskets their crisp heat
    Absorbing , as they had , the fine
    Steady exchange of earth and sky,
    Material and sweet.

    Jim in Jeff
    March 23, 2007 - 06:02 pm
    Tim's snippets of Landor's poems tonight inspired me to a fun recall of England's four King George's of 18-19th centuries (a significant era for Americans). Reading again about Englend's George's reminds me a lot of the Caesars, a series of 1700-yrs-earlier Roman rulers. Both had mad rulers at times. Caesars were, by and large, more vicious than England's George's.

    Both regimes help attest to why we today feel that family in-breeding is a no-no, in that it produces mentally-dimished offspring. I wonder if today's gurus have addressed/studied that assumption, using today's modern genetics-knowledge?

    Tonight I came online mainly to share/post my applause for TS's "The Swing." But I now see Barbara's post here already did...and well; good forum replies. Still, I'll tonight add this link to a swing-pic painting I feel SOMEWHAT nearly that of TS's "Swing" imagery.

    http://home.thirdage.com/Reading/jimva/swingnikolette.jpg

    JoanK
    March 24, 2007 - 01:25 am
    I love the sheets! It takes me back to my childhood. I can smell them still.

    MarjV
    March 24, 2007 - 06:12 am
    I also could smell the sun/wind dried sheets immediately.

    Here's another swing pic from Sat. Evening Post cover....

    http://www.curtispublishing.com/images/NonRockwell/9280519.jpg

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 24, 2007 - 09:30 am
    Ah air dried sheets - yes the poem really captures them blowing in the wind - I still have my washline and during the summer I often hang my sheets out to dry on moonlit nights - the moon bleaches the white sheets and we always have a stiff night breeze all summer long so they are dry in minutes. But hanging them out during the daylight hours is the magic the poem brings to mind - I love this bit in the middle of it...

    Young Leonardo, charmed of sight
    Would buy in the loud marketplace
    Caged birds and set them free--thus yielding
    Back to the air that gave him light
    Lost beauty and lost grace.

    I wonder if that is what we see without realizing it when we see the sheets blowing in the air - light, beauty and grace that we greet from within - certainly when we were young we did not doubt our light, beauty and grace although we probably gave those attributes no never mind.

    Memory: playing among the sheets - how often I remember wanting my face to touch the dry blowing sheets - to feel the warm and smell the freshness held in the cotton cloth. Quilts or jeans were never the same although dressed in clean clothes direct from the line and we all smelled fresh and clean. Today everyone has a collection of clothes and so they are folded or hung away where they loose that fresh air scent.

    I am also remembering how free like a bird I felt when the sheets were finally drying on the line - I would accompany Mom to the washtubs and watch my sister sleep as used the scrub board and wrung by hand all those towels and sheets and jeans and shirts and diapers and sox and underware... whew the biggest effort was wringing the long wet rope of a sheet. I remember the joy on her face when she finally had a wringer - even I used a wringer for several years when I was first a homemaker. And so, when the sheets were hung on the line not only was there a feeling of satisfaction over work complete but the joy of seeing our work like a flag flapping its freedom as well as our own.

    annafair
    March 24, 2007 - 10:45 am
    For sharing your feelings re Sheets .you have said it better than I...all of your feelings have been mine..,..Sometimes I think we are the fortunate age to recall and treasure the memories from out past ..I wonder if my grandchildren will have the same good memory treasures when they are our age. laundry was a family time when we were young I see myself helping my mother do the washing my hand .and hanging the clothes on the line .I love the feel of fresh dried sheets even from my dryer but OH I MISS THOSE SUN DRIED SHEETS it was heavenly to go to bed , cozy from a bath and lay down on those fragrant sheets .. I bet if people still used them sun dried they would sleep 1000% better and makers of sleep tablets would be out of business.. TS is younger than I am but his memories are similiar and again Barbara thanks so much for suggesting we read his poems for a month ....love you all.....anna

    Louie1026
    March 24, 2007 - 11:33 am
    Our Sheets hung Galleon sails Between tenement building Cramed with smells From all the world Wild corsicans We roamed All over the coast Of pavement and brick And snuggled In the evening Sails filed with Fresh air Cuddling our dreams

    Among the folds Of Sails

    Louie1026
    March 24, 2007 - 11:37 am
    The doctor doesn't know anything. We are suppose to go dancing on April 1. Ann you trying to leave me stranded.

    annafair
    March 24, 2007 - 03:31 pm
    My dear friend so good to see you here and I love your sheets too...What a great image sheets as sails full blown with air and sun and warm for cuddling.....April first I will think of you and dance with you AN Irish jig to be sure !I hope to see you sailing here again and sharing some of your poetry ....anna

    Jim in Jeff
    March 24, 2007 - 04:20 pm
    Your year-long absence here has been for me (and many others of your former forum friends) an immense long-time worry for us.

    Please do soon post to us forum friends here a brief "sum-up" of your personal ordeals that have kept you from here so long. Pretty please?

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 25, 2007 - 02:59 pm
    Wow look what I found... a very different tone from this poem

    JULY 4, 1976

    This is a place the ocean comes to die,
    A small beach backed by trashcans and concrete.
    Bits of torn paper scrape the sand; the sky
    Supports a few gulls. Words seem obsolete

    In settings such as these. The salt gusts blow
    The scent of marijuana up our way.
    No bathers in these tides, and, yes, I know
    I've written nothing in three months. Friends say

    That there's still gold in modernist motifs—
    But I've learned what too much self-scrutiny
    Does to the spirit. Secondhand beliefs,
    The palpitating soul: how carefully

    We shelter and array these. Two jets fade
    West of the low sun, and the Golden Gate
    Shines with a kind of neo-gothic pride,
    A bright memorial of the welfare state.

    Seaward, tugboats and freighters lead and bear
    The commerce of the Far East and Marin;
    But gulls shriek at a distance, as if aware
    Of the grim age the tide is bringing in.

    I read about despair and, what we do to folks who do not fit our ideals and, how our every day existence creates trash that clogs and takes down forests and digs huge craters in our mountains - it can so easily overwhelm me - but then - [I seldom watch daytime TV] - maybe once every 6 weeks or so I turn the set on early to watch Oprah -

    I did that the other day just as she and her friend Gayle were interviewing an Amish farmer and his wife - The clean blue and white kitchen - the view of an America we would prefer and you have to wonder how much is our fantasy and how much of it still is out there - seeing this America was enough to settle me down - to look around at what I am doing and if I was creating an oasis for my spirit because, I think for many of us who do care we can become obsessed with the problems that offers no easy fix.

    Of all the various celebrities, here is a women who could easily still be in a small southern city struggling through life. Instead, she had taken care to meet the expectations of her father and surpass the dreams of most so that she can really do her bit towards making a difference.

    But more, the Amish family is still a roll model that makes me smile - I cannot clean up the beaches - neither can Oprah - nor can I change those who live in despair. Having felt despair I wonder if the pain of reading about it is scary knowing but for the grace of God go I.

    annafair
    March 25, 2007 - 04:24 pm
    you always make such thoughtful comments ...the poem certainly shows another side of TS but to me an even important side A side that sees the warts as well as the beauty marks in life...some times I think we are like lemmings bent on leaping into the sea and destoying ourselves...One reason I love sewing, cooking, reading and writing is because all of them allow me to sort of meditate..I love history. I love true stories of those who overcame the trials in thier lives..I love fairy stories and once loved mysteries but most so called mysteries nowadays are really blueprints for all types of cruel activities..and each day what joy I have is mostly the beauty of nature..the antics of the birds and squirrels in my backyard. The rabbits, the turtle that is there but seldom see. the small snakes who I find curled in my flower beds, the flowers planted years ago who really dont get any care still return each year and gift my yard with vibrant blooms..My parents were not immigrants but thier parents were and all set a good example for me//some did exceptionally well Not wealthy but good middle class and some were poor all thier lives but each of them made an effort to beautify their lives. flowers, gardens , not lavish but small. they were cared about each other and their neighbors . Whether they rented, owned or share crop they did the best they could..those that had more helped those who had less..when a neighbor was ill or a death in the family the neighbors came with food, offers of help etc..Now a neighbor can die and very few offer help or comfort...in many ways we are a throw-away society ..and the worst thing is we throw away each other....We have so many things to make life easier but not kinder of nicer...One thing I love about poetry is for the most part it reminds us kinder and better but I understand TS if it makes us see the best it also makes us see the worse and that is despair..I just thank GOD I have friends and poets who share both sides and yet can give me hope ......anna

    PS the area on the back of my knee is paler and smaller and as soon as I am finished taking medicine every six hours I hope to be perky ...and leaner since I have to take food with this ...the robins have finally arrived, my plum tree is in its spring dress, the forsythia is blooming. daffodils are popping up,.the first blooms on the azaleas are smiling at me..and the iris is reaching for the stars.The courtiers are tall and straight waiting for the empresses to arrive...and I only wish I could make others see how lovely the world can be and keep it safe..

    Louie1026
    March 26, 2007 - 05:03 am
    Was it a year that past me by

    Seems just like a moment

    It squeezed sometimes

    with forgetable memories

    Some still linger

    Life is just remembering

    I can pick and choose

    And That is the joy

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 26, 2007 - 07:44 am
    Portrait of the Artist as a Young Child

    Your favorite crayon is Midnight Blue
    (Hurrah for dark dramatic skies!)
    Though inwardly it makes you drone
    To see it like an ice-cream cone
    Shrink with too zealous exercise.

    But soon you're offering for review
    Sheets where Magenta flowers blaze.
    And here's a field whose mass and weight
    Incontrovertibly indicate
    You're in your Burnt Sienna phase.

    Long may you study color, pore
    Over Maroon, Peach, Pine Green, Teal.
    I think of my astonishment
    When first I saw the spectrum bent
    Around into a color wheel,

    A disc of white there at the core,
    The outer colors vivid, wild.
    Red, with its long wavelengths, met
    With much-refracted violet,
    And all with all were reconciled.

    When I look past you now, I see
    The winter amaryllis bloom
    Above its terra-cotta pot
    Whose earthen orange-apricot
    Lends warmth to the entire room.

    And cherry and mahogany
    Introduce tones of brown and plum;
    While by the hearth a basket holds
    Balls of yarn-purples, greens and golds
    That you may wear in years to come.

    Yet for the moment you dispense
    Color yourself. Again you kneel:
    Your left hand spread out, holding still
    The paper you'll with fervor fill,
    You're off and traveling through the wheel

    Of contrasts and of complements,
    Where every shade divides and blends,
    Where you find those that you prefer,
    Where being is not linear,
    But bright and deep, and never ends

    This is the signature poem of Timothy Steele's tome - "The Color Wheel" -

    The rhyme endings are different ABCCB and for sure I do think there is some slant rhyme in this poem - with for instance prefer/linear - I am still not confident I can recognize the slant rhyme but I will get this down yet... When I order my April books the book that Timothy Steele has written about poetry will be included and then for sure I can have a ready manual to guide me through...

    The last two lines are wonderful connecting the color wheel to our spirit, our dreams, our character, our personality, our being.

    The first line and I can smell the crayons - after reading "Sheets" I can visualize a magenta flowered sheet floating in the air in the quick throw we often use to spread a clean sheet on the bed -

    For years, next to my fireplace I had a large basket holding balls of yarn - when I finally realized my children were teens therefore, I was no longer knitting quickies for them the yarn had become dusty and so I put it away only to be retrieved, cleaned up, added to so I could readily knit for my grands. Now they too are all teens - this time I did not let the yarn sit but bundled what was not used into a storage box. I wonder if I will have the opportunity to knit for yet another generation of little ones...

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 26, 2007 - 08:13 am
    Ah finally found the answer to my query about each line starting with a capitalized word regardless if it was the beginning of a sentence -
    Capitalizing in Poetry

    Mallylee
    March 27, 2007 - 02:39 am
    I like to see washing lines. Around here most people put their washings out in the garden to dry when the weather is good. I like to see the lines of colours and shapes blowing in a breeze. The intimacy of people's clothing hung up in public view is a companionable thing too.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 27, 2007 - 08:13 am
    "Life is but melting snow" "dew on the grass" my dear friend Charlotte today is a widow - We knew last week that Bill had either three days or three weeks or three months - his lungs lasted three days...

    Tim Steele
    March 27, 2007 - 11:36 am
    It was cheering to hear that Jim and Barbara enjoy TOWARD THE WINTER SOLSTICE pretty much in toto. And my sympathy goes to Anna on creating but then losing her message. In the mid-1980s, when computers and word-processing were still novelties, I spent several hours of fiercely concentrated labor, putting into my and my wife's first computer, a summary of Immanuel Kant's CRITIQUE OF JUDGMENT. Just I reached the end of my analysis, I hit the wrong key and lost the whole thing. Worst of all, because I had understood Kant only in flashes of intuition, not only could I not recover my text, I couldn't even recover the insight (if that was what it was) that had enabled me to produce the text.

    Barbara's surmises are correct about the setting and time of "Walking Her Home." It is set in Vermont (South Union St. to be specific) in autumn in the middle 1960s, when one walked home with one's friends or one's "steady" from movies and high school dances on weekend nights.

    The convention of using capital letters to begin verse lines evidently originated around the time of Charlemagne's educational reforms (8th-9th cent.). Previously, manuscripts were written in an all-capital-letter script called uncial. With the advent of a handsome minuscule script (which was encouraged or approved by Charlemagne and Alcuin, his educational adviser), scribes could distinguish between what we now call upper case letters and lower case letters. The chief and happy effect of this was to make texts more readily readable. Another effect was that scribes evidently found it helpful to identify and remember that they were copying verse, as opposed to prose, if they began each line--each metric unit--with a capital letter. It helped them to remember, that is, to give each metric unit its own lineation rather than running everything together in prose fashion.

    In any case, this convention has persisted up to the present, though many modern and contemporary poets (including some who write in meter) have dispensed with it. In addition, all sorts of recent or relatively poets like E. E. Cummings have experimented with typographical tricks in an effort to produce visual effects on the page.

    May all be well with everyone, and may our computers nevermore misplace or gobble up our documents and messages.

    MarjV
    March 27, 2007 - 04:09 pm
    Thanks to you all for the posted poems. I did not get interloan requests in a timely manner at our library so I have not had the pleasure of the tomes of Timothy.

    The ones posted I enjoyed immensely.

    And thanks to Timothy for his comments which are great fun to read. Glad you joined us.

    ~Marj

    hats
    March 28, 2007 - 12:38 am
    I also enjoyed this month. Thank you Tim for joining in our discussion. Also, thank each of you for the many great posts.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 28, 2007 - 01:43 am
    Near Olympic

    The neighborhood, part Japanese and part
    Chicano, wears its poverty like art
    Exotic in its motley oddities.
    Over dirt driveways hang banana trees;
    In front of small square stucco houses bloom
    Broad jacarandas whose rain-washed perfume
    At morning half redeems the rush-hour released
    Swelled roaring off the freeway six blocks east.
    Along the street sit Fords and Oldsmobiles,
    Lowslung and ancient; or—with raised rear wheels
    And sides flame-painted—Mustangs and Chevelles.
    And in the courtyards of one-time motels
    In which the poorer families live, there grow
    Sweet corn and yellow squash, and chickens go
    Jerkily here and there, loud squawkings borne
    Through limp, arched iris leaves and stalks of corn.

    I love the images - Banana Trees - jacarandas - and the Iris mixed with growing corn is wonderful - hopefully there is a blueberry wall or shutter and in the driveway or by the curb a prickly pear cactus growing with its purple fruit that folks brake off, split and eat spitting out the seeds letting the purple juice drip down their chin. Oh yes and on the front step we need a two foot statue of the Lady of Guadalupe with maybe a plastic pink flamingo or two in the front yard.

    MarjV
    March 28, 2007 - 04:58 am
    The poem "Near Olympic" takes me right into one of the neighborhoods of which I've seen in films. An eye trip wonderfully crafted. And even the scents come along in the line "rain washed perfume".

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 29, 2007 - 02:20 pm
    The remaining of - "Near Olympic"

    This is the hour of casual casualties.
    Birds clatter in the stiff fronds of palm trees,
    The bustle that the twilight's always fed.
    The mother strokes her daughter's jet black head;
    The child makes choppy trooper steps toward the walk.
    Some older children bike along the block,
    A girl there crying, No one catches me,
    Glancing back quickly, pumping furiously
    Off from the others. Bent to handlebars,
    Only one boy pursues her. Past parked cars,
    It's No one catches me, and nearly night.
    No eyes are following the girl's delight—
    At least not Carlos's or the young mother's.
    Nor do their eyes meet, ever, one another's.
    It is as if they do not see or hear.
    The mother will be nineteen come next year,
    And Carlos twenty. What they are survives
    The limpid vacancies of air, their lives
    Now like some urgent, unobtrusive thing,
    Withdrawn and lovely and diminishing


    I've seen that silent wall between the hopes and dreams and soul of many who feel hopeless and helpless - I've seen it among the young marrieds who were mill workers or their parents were mill workers and laid off when the mills closed in North Carolina at least 15 years ago now - I've seen it among many who are trapped in a life that brings them no pleasure - some hurt each other and some hurt themselves so they affect the other - and all just get by while the best part of their life is trying to survive.

    I found this poem in a site that included an article of Timothy Steele's poems from "The Tennessee Quarterly (Winter 1996)" I do not have the book but the poem just struck me - we have a large Mexican population here in Texas and much of the description was like reading about home - and then the second part was so poignant and sad although I did not see it as necessarily part of the Mexican Community experience since I have seen that look in other communities where hope is barely visible. If there is more to this poem I do not know since this is what was included in the article.

    I will add tomorrow a poem from one of the books I do own -

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 29, 2007 - 02:21 pm
    We are coming to the end of the month - I am so glad that Timothy joined us and was so generious with his comments.

    I look now at endings as I never did before - the other thing that struck me is each poem says so much using simple words - no verbal gymnastics to make a line rhyme - and each poem paints such a picture that I feel as if I had flipping through a book of photographs. Photographs from our youth, our teen years and the one that is an absolute favorite is the first Timothy Steele poem Anna shared - it deserves another print out for us to read...

    Joanna, Wading

    Too frail to swim, she nonetheless
    Gingerly lifts her cotton dress
    Clear of the lake, so she can wade
    Where the descending sun has laid
    A net of rippling, molten bands
    Across the underwater sands.

    Her toes dig, curling, in the cool
    And fine-grained bottom; minnows school
    Before her, tautly unified
    In their suspended flash -and-glide;
    Blue-brilliantly, a dragonfly
    Encounters and skims round her thigh.

    Despite age, all this still occurs.
    The sun's companionably hers.
    Its warmth suffusing blood and flesh,
    While its light casts the mobile mesh
    Whose glowing cords she swam among
    In summertime when she was young.

    JoanK
    March 29, 2007 - 10:24 pm
    That's my favorite, too. I love it.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 31, 2007 - 04:54 am
    Daybreak, Benedict Canyon

    Thick Fog has filled the canyon overnight
    And turned it to a sea of milky gray:
    the steep-sloped chaparral and the streets below
    Are drowned from view; hilltops across the way
    Form a low-lying archipelago
    Upon the fog's smothering gulfs and shoals.
    The scene, in the uncertain predawn light,
    Recalls those Chinese landscapes on silk scrolls

    In which mists haunt ravines, and clouds surround
    Remote peaks fading to remoter skies.
    The scene suggests, too, the apocalypse
    The earth may suffer if sea levels rise.
    This very deck could be a ghostly ship's
    And I a lone survivor, cast by fate
    Out on a flood as lifeless and profound
    As the one Noah had to navigate.

    Yet soon this world's specifics will revive
    And banish fanciful analogies.
    Some mourning doves, on airily whistling wings,
    Will light in canyon-overhanging trees;
    Damp breeze will test the tensile strength of strings,
    Jeweled and soaking, that a spider's spun;
    Cars snaking up along Mulholland Drive
    Will flash their windshilds at the rising sun

    The fog will drain, the canyon will evince
    Toyon, buckthorn, and yucca, and restore
    The ceanothus thickets that hide deer;
    Houses will surface on the canyon floor.
    The only ocean will be south of here
    And glimpsed through a green hollow in a ridge,
    Pacific in its sunny sparks and glints
    Beyond San Pedro's Vincent Thomas Bridge.

    Well I must say this is the first time I have ever written out a poem and was not thoroughly annoyed that each mid-sentence that had a separate line the first word started with a capitol letter. Typing on my computer is certainly a far cry from the calligraphy of Monks but that was how I felt typing out the poem - as if I was a part of the long line of history. I love it... Thanks Tim for the explanation because I finally have a new look at how to enjoy poetry for more than the words I read on the page -

    There were a couple of words in this poem that took me - I would not have thought of them and had to be sure I knew what they meant.

    Tensile as in "tensile strength"
    Meaning #1: of or relating to tension
    Pertains to noun: tension

    Meaning #2: capable of being shaped or bent or drawn out
    Synonyms: ductile, malleable, pliable, pliant, tractile

    Yes, the "tensile strength" of a spider's web - here I thought Tensile was strong and unbending like a metal rod where as it is just the opposite - the other word I had to look up is:

    "evince"
    A verb; To make manifest or apparent: demonstrate, display, evidence, exhibit, manifest, proclaim, reveal, show.

    Then of course the various trees and bushes that are indigenous to California -

    The "Toyon,"
    [An evergreen Californian shrub (Heteromeles arbutifolia), having leathery leaves, small white flowers in large panicles, and red, fleshy, berrylike fruit. Also called Christmas berry]

    The "ceanothus"
    [Ceanothus L. is a genus of about 50–60 species of shrubs or small trees in the buckthorn family Rhamnaceae. The genus is confined to North America, with the center of its distribution in California but some species (e.g. C. americanus) in the eastern United States and southeast Canada, and others (e.g. C. coeruleus) extending as far south as Guatemala. Most are shrubs 0.5–3 m tall, but C. arboreus and C. thyrsiflorus, both from California, can be small trees up to 6–7 m tall.

    The majority of the species are evergreen, but the handful of species adapted to cold winters are deciduous. The leaves are opposite or alternate (depending on species), small (typically 1–5 cm long), simple, and mostly with serrated margins. The flowers are white, blue, pale purple or pink, maturing into a dry, three-lobed seed capsule.

    The Californian species are sometimes known as California-lilac.]

    I just assume and could be wrong that everyone knows what a Yucca looks like - there are many kinds of yucca - Wikipedia has a good description with a photo of one of Yucca that around here we call the Spanish Sword.

    And this is a whole page of photos of a California Buckthorn from a site prepared by Berkley.

    And finally a photo of the Vincent Thomas Bridge in San Pedro

    Now that all that is out of the way the poem - I just love the imagery of
    "Those Chinese landscapes on silk scrolls
    In which mists haunt ravines, and clouds surround
    Remote peaks fading to remoter skies."
    Many times I have looked up where in China those peaks are located - I do not know if I will ever get to visit the area but it is a dream of mine - China is so vast and trying to sort out where the scenes we have seen are located is an exercise that takes time - I would love to get a large map of China and paste photos of the different landscapes and town so I can get a better idea of what and where - I have one large silk role with just the mist and cloud covered mountains referred to in this poem - I do not have a wall large enough to hang it but I have loaned it to many a seller who has a two story house and a stairwell needing something - now when I see my silk scroll temporarily hanging as if the seller is host in an art gallery I will think of this poem.

    Morning doves, deer in the chaparral are familiar sights for me if I replace canyons with the thick cedar and live oak covered sides of Mesa's in this area - seldom do we see sun glinting through fog but everytime I leave my daughter's driving down the mountain from North Carolina into the Greenville area of South Carolina I start off in morning fog that as I travel is lower and lower into the hollows and valleys with the sun glinting at first through and later on the fog banks. A lovely and dreamy scene. I still feel so closed in when I travel back east - all those big trees - I feel like I am in a never-ending tunnel - my favorite views are just west of here driving down one of the sierras to the flats around Fort Stockton and Alpine - or visiting my son in Lubbock and driving home down off the High Plains - at Post you think you can see forever right to the Gulf - you can't but that is the feeling - and sky - oh my - no need to be a bird - but again, these are not the landscapes of foggy mornings.

    This poem brings all of that into my minds eye as I mentally travel the impulses that each scene conjures.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 31, 2007 - 05:08 am
    OH I found a whole page of photos of mountains in China shrouded in mist - Mountains in China

    JoanK
    March 31, 2007 - 06:06 am
    Oh, Barbara, both the poem you chose and the pictures of China are lovely. Mourning doves are old friends, and I almost rented an apartment that had a view of the bridge at San Pedro, but the yuccas and other Western plants are still strange to this transplanted Easterner.

    Funny you say " I still feel so closed in when I travel back east - all those big trees - I feel like I am in a never-ending tunnel"

    I am the opposite. I miss the Eastern trees more than anything. A view seems desolate to me without trees. D.C. where I was born has a law that every street must have trees planted along it: most of them are now very old, and any distance view looks as much like a woods as a city. In fact, there is a woods that runs right through the city -- it ran near our house, and I escaped to play there whenever I could as a child. I never tire of seeing the pattern of light dancing through the leaves and hearing the rustle of the wind.

    Tim Steele
    March 31, 2007 - 06:50 am
    When I was growing up in Vermont, March was always one of my favorite months. You could feel the afternoons lengthening as we approached and passed the equinox. Otherwise, though, you never knew what to expect. Mild weather and melting snows would be the order of the day one week, only to be followed by a return to winter and fierce storms the next. Though never much of a skier, I much enjoyed skiing on sunny March days, wearing only a sweater over my clothes, as opposed to having to bundle up against the sub-zero temperatures in the mountains in January and February. (In March, we used a special kind of wax on the bottoms of our skies to travel smoothly over the damp granular snow, which we called "corn snow."

    I mention this because your reading group has made this March as pleasant and as happily unpredictable as those of my youth. I want to thank Barbara for suggesting my work to you all, and I thank you all again for your thoughtful and insightful comments.

    Because Barbara indicated she had only seen excerpts from "Near Olympic," I'll register the whole poem below. It appears in SAPPHICS AND UNCERTAINTIES: POEMS 1970-1986. I wrote the poem in the early 1980s when my wife and I were living in a little guest cottage behind our landlord's house in West Los Angeles, on a street called Barry Avenue, just north of Olympic Boulevard. Our landlord was a Japanese-American gardener, who was a brilliant artist in bonsai--artfully trained miniature plants. At the time, I was a lecturer in the English Department at UCLA, and the bus from work in the afternoon would drop me off five or six blocks from our guest cottage, and I'd walk down through the neighborhood, seeing many of the sights described in the poem.

    As Barbara said, the poem is ultimately about lives (and there are so many, alas) that are denied fulfillment because of socio-economic conditions. As I'm sure many of you feel, it is heartbreaking that so many millions of people, in our rich nation, live in destitution. In one sense, the poem could, as Barbara suggests, just as easily have been about failing farms in northeastern Vermont, blighted industrial communities in the rust belt, or mill towns in the Carolinas.

    NEAR OLYMPIC

    West Los Angeles

    The neighborhood, part Japanese and part Chicano, wears its poverty like art Exotic in its motley oddities. Over dirt driveways hang banana trees; In front of small square stucco houses bloom Broad jacarandas whose rain-washed perfume At morning half redeems the rush-hour released Swelled roaring of the freeway six blocks east. Along the street sit Fords and Oldsmobiles, Lowslung and ancient; or -- with raised rear wheels And sides flame-painted -- Mustangs and Chevelles. And in the courtyards of one-time motels In which the poorer families live, there grow Sweet corn and yellow squash, and chickens go Jerkily here and there, loud squawkings borne Through limp, arched iris leaves and stalks of corn.

    This, too, a neighborhood of nurseries And of good gardeners. Walking by, one sees Behind a block of chest-high chain link fence, In plastic round containers, succulents; In small green boxes, blue forget-me-nots; Ivies whose tendrils rise, staked, from glazed pots In a sharp polish of small leafy claws; Fresh hothouse orchids with their pelican jaws; In tubs of earth, tangerine trees whose fruit Hangs orangely pendulous, bright, and minute. And ranged against the main garage's wall, On shelves of blond boards and red bricks, all The bonsai: a one-foot, gold-wired pine, Thick as a blacksmith’s forearm, with a fine Spray of huge needles; a squat, mossy oak, Contorted as if by a thunderstroke; A bougainvillaea massed with densities Of pinkish blossoms and smooth, pointed leaves. And over the front gate, a large sign says, THE WORLD OF PLANTS -- SUSHAWA AND MENDEZ, The latter (a bandana handkerchief Around his head) forever barking brief Orders into an outdoor phone, burlesque And confirmation of the picturesque.

    Yet when at five the nursery Edens close, Even the most naïve would not suppose This place an Eden. Golden-dusked L.A. -- Bright flow of everywhere -- goes its own way, While here, convening in their curbside league, Young men drink beer, a day of the fatigue Of idleness behind them. Acid rock Blasts from a nearby van, but sound can't shock Those who've long heard it from their lethargy. And in a yard with a dead pepper tree, Some meager birds-of-paradise, and dirt, A child grips balance at her mother's skirt. A cat paws a toy soldier that it's found, Prone at attention, on the width of ground Running with cracks between the walk and street. One of the young men rises to his feet, Ready, and also ready not, to leave, His Camels folded in his T-shirt’s sleeve -- Carlos, chief dude of the rec center, slow Hands in his pockets, mind on Mexico, As the rich purple evening sky defines A crescent moon above the power lines.

    This is the hour of casual casualties. Birds clatter in the stiff fronds of palm trees, The bustle that the twilight's always fed. The mother strokes her daughter’s jet black head; The child makes choppy trooper steps toward the walk. Some older children bike along the block, A girl there crying, "No one catches me," Glancing back quickly, pumping furiously Off from the others. Bent to handlebars, Only one boy pursues her. Past parked cars, It's "No one catches me," and nearly night. No eyes are following the girl’s delight -- At least not Carlos’s or the young mother’s. Nor do their eyes meet, ever, one another’s. It is as if they do not see or hear. The mother will be nineteen come next year, And Carlos twenty. What they are survives The limpid vacancies of air, their lives Now like some urgent, unobtrusive thing, Withdrawn and lovely and diminishing.

    Again, thank you all for your interest in my work and for your thoughtful observations about it.

    Barbara St. Aubrey
    March 31, 2007 - 08:03 am
    Timothy thank you for typing out the entire poem - the story is connected now - the sadness of their lives and their closed off protective isolation is so incongruent to the lively colors and growth of nature - almost as if they were clipped like the Bonsai - hmmm I wonder - never realized that there can be beauty in a limited lifestyle as there is beauty in the Bonsai - my mind is racing here as I realize that to focus and not sprawl into every interest that enters your mind is the way towards what we call a successful life - hmmm I am wondering now if those we see who are closed off are really living as round pegs in a square world because I have seen very poor but fulfilled families deep in the mountains of Mexico.

    The parents married young and visited a town once in their lives, when they married. They live as their parents and grandparents in a house built into the side of the mountain or, in an adobe house with a fire in the corner not far from a cluster of other one room adobe houses with thatch roofs. They do not have that look of being soul dead.

    I have seen young wives whose husband took the trek to get cash money in the US and they stay behind, not knowing if he is dead or alive as they plant and bring in the corn crop, take care of the babies all without electricity or running water - they look sadder and weary but their eyes are not dead to hope and possibility or to the world around them.

    Hmmm maybe if we do not measure up to a bonsai life, leading to what the square hole determines is success, we become soul dead. I do not know, but it is painful to see those who have a curtain over their eyes that seems to separate themselves from fulfillment, enjoying the here and now, with no apparent dreams for their future. What is hardest is to see the few children I have seen in my life that have that isolated look.

    Children I understand - they have usually lived through an event that made them too scared to cry - is that it - do we traumatize those who do not fit into the square hole - or, are they so scared of trying to fit into the square hole they cannot cry - no one would listen if they did cry and so they retreat behind "The limpid vacancies of air."

    Interesting how we can dwell on the mist covered mountains with dreamy reverie but the mist covered eyes and lifestyle of those whose opportunities are shrouded makes us uncomfortable.

    annafair
    March 31, 2007 - 06:50 pm
    Spring seems to be here. The fragrance of daffodils permeates my kitchen, the bouquet on my window sill brings a touch of sunlight at night. I have emailed a thank you to Timothy for his advice and encouragement ....not to mention some absolutely lovely poetry He thanked me for inviting him and said the pleasure was his.

    I am better again and IF I will only stay that way Life will be easier...Again I want to thank Barbara for suggesting Timothy Steele He was a good 'un! I have chosen one last poem to post by TS before we begin April's choices. I chose this one for lots of reasons.. Having lived in my marriage in furnished rooms, tiny apartments. a trailer in France , a huge furnished apartment in Germany and an assortment of cubby holes one thing was true...Wherever we lived WAS HOME...I still miss each place we lived ...because part of us remain there...the things we did, the places we saw, the hellos and goodbyes as my husband flew everywhere while I waited.. Some wives couldn't wait to return HOME but I knew home is where your heart is.. and I knew where my heart lay. so here is TS's poem Somehoe I feel this was an early poem written when he had moved from home ...it sounds like a young man's thoughts to me...

    But Home is Here


    April has returned
    Box scores to the papers,
    Scrub jays to the lawn.


    ( How they bounce!--feet forward
    Like long-jumpers landing),
    And I fix dinner for one.


    My arm raised, the egg cracked ,
    The quick rope of the white
    Lowers yolk to the mixing bowl.


    A seeded hemisphere
    Of sliced tomato
    Rocking on the cutting board.


    The days growing longer ,
    I sing to the trees,
    The flowering pear and persimmon


    To the morning glories
    Which insinuate vines
    Through knotholes in the fence:


    Life, life , how sad, how rushed
    You are, how self-divided,
    Cells doubling and parting


    Into patterns and flows,
    To complication
    To oblivion.


    When the cat arches
    On my leg, I sweep her up
    And hold her above me, pleading


    Calypso, make me not
    Immortal but happy
    On earth,: send me home.


    Ah, but home is here
    With a salad and omelette ,
    And the darkness coming


    Like a friend, like the hope
    Of wisdom arriving,
    However late.

    patwest
    March 31, 2007 - 07:04 pm
    A new Poetry discussion is open HERE

    This discussion is now Read Only and will be archived in a couple of days

    Mallylee
    April 2, 2007 - 12:16 am
    The mobile mesh in the water--I remember it well!