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« Reply #280 on: January 29, 2013, 05:23:12 PM »
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Travels with Herodotus
Ryszard Kapuscinski


"We struggle against time, against the fragility of memory … If we don’t write down what we learn and experience, that which we carry within will perish when we die." Ryszard Kapuscinski

Part autobiography, part literary criticism and part meditation, Travels with Herodotus tells the story of two intertwined journeys: the author's literal voyages across the globe, and his pursuit of Herodotus, the Greek historiographer who reported from foreign lands in the fifth century BC.  And Kapuscinski brings Herodotus to life, showing again just what a superlative writer he is. He lived and worked at the juncture of two epochs: the era of written history was beginning, but the oral tradition still predominated.        Sara Wheeler  The Guardian

                                                                                                                            
Discussion Schedule:

Jan. 4-12     Crossing the Border up to Memory Along the Roadways of the World
Jan. 13-18     Memory Along the Roadways of the World up to Among Dead Kings
Jan. 19-25    Among Dead Kings up to Time Vanishes        
Jan. 26         Time Vanishes to end of last chapter, We Stand in Darkness  
 


For Your Consideration
January 26-31
"Time Vanishes" - "We Stand in Darkness"

Time Vanishes
1.  Kapucinski describes Herodotus' his methods - not simply recording a history of dynasties and kings but the life of simple people, religious beliefs, disasters. Does this method seem to work for Kapuscinski?

2. "One must read Herodotus' book, and every great book repeatedly - each reading reveals another layer."  Do you agree with the importance of rereading?  Ah, but do you do it?

The Desert and the Sea p.221
3. What convinced Kapuscinski to put aside The Histories to fly to Algiers, without knowing the ambassador's reason for sending him, and without notifying his superiors at the Press Agency?  What does this say about Kapuscinski's priorities?  Was he the first to break the news of the military coup in Algiers?

4. How did this coup represent the two great conflicts of the contemporary world, between France and the colony of Algeria, between Islamic fundamentalism and modernity?  Are these the same struggles we are reading about in today's news?

Black is Beautiful
5. Cheih Anta Diop, the Sengalese Historian in the 50's maintained  European and Western culture had beginnings in Africa. Was he the first to point to Herodotus, who had argued many elements of Greek culture came from Egypt and Libya.  What effect did Richard Wright's Black Power have on this theory when he concluded  he concluded on his trip to Ghana that  they were African, he, American - total strangers, separated by language barrier, nothing in common.  Do you remember this?  

6. "From the island of Goree, the mass abduction of as many as 20 million slaves depopulated the continent."  -Egyptian culture had fascinated Herodotus.  Kapuscinski wonders if Herodotus had slaves. Why?

Scenes of Passion and Prudence

7. Did the final sentence in the Histories indicate that the Persian threat is still alive and well today?

Herodotus' Discovery

8.  According to Kapuscinski, what are the traits of a good reporter?  How does he compare himself to Herodotus?   Does Kapuscinski seem to have the same passion and drive?

9. What does Kapuscinski regard as  Herodotus' most important discovery?

 We Stand in Darkness, Surrounded by Light

 10. What draws Herodotus  to the road, away from home? Where is his home?  Kapuscinski describes such a reporter like Herodotus as unhappy and lonely, a man who does not grow attached to anything."  Is Kapuscinski describing himself?   Read more about Kapuscinski's home life and  wife in Warsaw


Finally, please share your observations on the many points made in the last chapter of the book.

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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #281 on: January 29, 2013, 06:27:15 PM »

Here's the link to the interview - I'll pull out relevant parts...as it is quite long...

http://www.sikhchic.com/people/the_voice_of_a_free_man_ryszard_kapu_ci_ski
 
Alicja has lovely sunny eyes and a warm disposition.
She took the chair at the head of the table. ‘It is my habit,’ she said.
 
Q   You might be getting many visitors, don’t you get tired?
 
A   I quite enjoy it actually. I try not to take more than one visitor or a group a day but I like it that readers come and connect with their writer. I see it as my job to preserve his legacy: both his work-place which was our home, and the hundreds of agreements with publishers, translation rights, rights to reuse pieces, and now have a prize in journalism instituted in his name. I find it my job to preserve the writer’s legacy, I do all I can to keep him as fresh as he comes across to his wide variety of readers.
 
(The Kapuściński award for literary reportage was instituted on the journalist’s third death anniversary in 2010 by the City of Warsaw and the newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza.)
 
Q   You are a doctor (a paediatrician) ...
 
A   Yes, I worked at the hospital for 35 years and have now been retired for over a decade. But I remain much more busy than I was at the hospital. In the Communist years, hospitals were hard places to be in, especially with children where there was a scarcity of food. I like this work, keeps me engaged. It is the idea that I am preserving his legacy. Then I have my grand-children and now great grand-children.
 
Q   Did you ever accompany Kapuściński on his duties?
 
A   The authorities let me go to take care of him at times when he fell very ill. A few times in Africa. Then when he was posted in Mexico as a News Attaché he took me along. I worked in the hospitals there and was appalled to see the size of the babies:
 so small, so malnourished. I worked there for three years feeding them, nursing them.
 
Q   Kapuściński saw so much violence, millions dead. How many revolutions?
 
A   27 (and she laughs). We change with just one or two … He did see a lot. Four times he got the death sentence. Many times he was caught in fights and was threatened with knives and bombs and guns. We never kept count of how many times he was arrested or detained by police and military. His work was risky but he wanted to do it.
 
Q   Did witnessing all the horror, all the deaths, depress him?
 
A   No. He believed he had a task at hand and he went about doing it. He believed in his work and he fulfilled it.
 
Q   Even Mother Teresa is reported to have doubts. She wrote notes in her diary to God. How did Kapuściński escape the feeling?
 
A   In every situation he documented, he knew both sides: those who killed and those who were being killed. He chose to tell the story of those who were being killed.
 
Q   How often did he revise his stories?
 
A   All the time. He would write long hand. He would look at his long hand piece and be dissatisfied. He would cut, change, make the whole piece so shabby. Then he would move to the typewriter. Then again cut and change. He never stopped. But
 he never took to the computer. He felt it destroyed rigour. The good thing was he had an agreement with a newspaper that he would write columns for them. He had deadlines. Else, he would have never have finished...
 
Q   Who did he read to?
 
A   To me. Always to me. He read to me everything he wrote.
 
Q   Did you comment on his writing?
 
A   Sometimes. (She feels shy.) Very rarely I would suggest something. He would consider it. It would be incorporated in the next draft.
 
Q   Where did he write?
 
A   In this house, upstairs. In his study. He was always there, working. Working all the time.
 
Q   Did he write in a routine?
 
A   He just worked and worked. Reading, writing. He used to tell his students: to write one book you must read at least a hundred. He asked me to remove his telephone. I had to answer all his calls: Mr. K is busy. Mr. K will call back. Mr. K will
 respond.
 
Lidia's Q   How did you meet, the both of you?
 
A   He and I were students of history at the Warsaw University. It was after the Second World War, we were under Communism. Friends used to say that at dances we both would dance only with each other and not look and talk with anyone else. Guess that was our love. He encouraged me to study medicine, to become a doctor. (She sits up, pauses, and then continues.)
 
Within a year of meeting we were married. Within a year of marriage I was pregnant. He was still living with his family and I lived in the ladies hostel. His mother was ill. Luckily, she recovered and he got a job as a reporter. Then he was allotted a small apartment and we moved in.
 
Lidia's Q   And then?
 
A   Slowly he started travelling and I was extremely busy with my work at the hospital. Even when he came back from travels there would be one or two nights a week when I would be on 24-hour shifts. But it all worked out. He would tend the home when I was away. We shared a deep friendship and from it, love.

 
Q   What, if you now look back and wonder, would you say made the marriage work?
 
A   I never told him to not to do something he wanted to do ... that's all. I never stopped him or questioned him about what he wanted to do. I guess we had that trust.
 
Q   Did Ryszard believe in an idea of Justice? Or, did he consider it his task to bring to the world the stories of the dispossessed people?
 
(Lidia tries to translate but Alicja raises her hand and looks at me point-blank, and says ...)
 
A   The latter. He believed there are many who wish to be heard but are not heard. He wanted to bring to the world the messages of those who are not heard. That was how he defined his role to himself.

*   *   *   *   *
 
We go up to see the study. At the door are grass shoe covers, the kind used by people in Plinsk, where Kapuściński was born, to cover their shoes from the always slushy ground. Some pictures from Africa that he took. The study is an L-shaped room, about as big as a badminton court. It is lined with books. There are thousands of them, so it looks small.
 
Q   When did he start working from this study?
 
A   We bought this house around 22 years before. Before that we lived in apartments. When we bought the house Ryszard was thinking of writing about Idi Amin, Uganda. But then Glasnost and Perestroika happened and the mighty Union of Soviet Socialist Republic crumbled. So he went to Russia for 13 months to report on the break up of the Soviet empire. I took permission from the municipal authorities to renovate the upstairs of the house and created this study. He came back and loved it. Since then, for next last 20 years he lived here and worked here most of the time.
 
Q   How did he deal with fame?
 
A   When The Emperor was translated and the world press came looking for him, he was taken aback. But he remained modest. Once at a book function, the organisers closed the doors on some readers because they had an official dinner scheduled for him. He got angry and asked the organisers to open the doors. He said, these people have travelled hundreds of miles to come and be here and you want to prevent them? This love for people kept him going. When he met people he would ask them what they did, who was in their family, the names of their children, what work they did, simple small questions. In fact, journalists had it the toughest with him when they came to interview him. They would joke: With him we do not know who is interviewing whom.

She explains that Kapuściński did not only start his journeys with India, he even ended his touring with India. His last visit was about a year before he passed away but he could not travel for too long. He went from Delhi to Dharamsala and fell ill so had to come back.
 
"In fact," she said, "I can’t recollect if he went anywhere after that trip. So his world exposure started and ended with India."
 
"And the books," I said.
 
She gave a wide smile.
 
Q   How many passports did he finally have?
 
A   Just one. Issued after the Solidarity Movement (1989). Earlier whenever he had to travel he would request the authorities and they would call him for an interview. It would be a long interview, 3 hours, 4 hours. Then they would issue him a new passport. When he came back, they took the passport back and interviewed him again. He did not know his interviews were being recorded. That is why the biographer found a huge file on him (she holds her hands apart about 18 inches) in the state archives and accused him of being a supporter of the Soviet regime. It was just a job. He had to face the interviews.
 
In fact, when the revolution broke out in Zanzibar, he was the first journalist in the world to report it. Even at Angola he was the only journalist for almost three months.
 
 
But the Soviets did not believe him. So, he had to ask the TASS (Soviet News Agency) reporter to send the story. Typically, a case of the Soviets believing what they heard from their own sources.
 
Q   Did he ever have to work in an office? Or was he always on the field, reporting?
 
A   No, he was either reporting or he was at home. After the Zanzibar incident the Soviet authorities asked him to take over as editor, do an office job. He refused. He wanted to report and he kept doing that or writing columns.
 
Q   So, can we say, that in the Soviet regime, behind the Iron Curtain, he was the only free citizen who could live the way he wanted to live?
 
A   (She laughs.) That is true. In spite of the regime, he was a free man.

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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #282 on: January 29, 2013, 11:27:31 PM »
Great thanks JoanP for sharing the interview - sounded like a man who believed in classic communism hijacked soon after it gained a footing in Russia when the belief was about the liberation and respect for the proletariat.
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« Reply #283 on: January 30, 2013, 08:48:51 AM »
 I was stunned to read that 20 million Africans had been enslaved. Nor can I grasp
the idea of any amount depopulating a country as enormous as Africa. How did K.
obtain these figures, I wonder. Are there written records? There could not have
been any kind of census of the population. 

 
 A great interview, JOAN. I especially liked reading Mr. K's own perception of what
he needed to do. Thank you for posting it for us.
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He believed there are many who wish to be heard but are not heard. He wanted to
bring to the world the messages of those who are not heard. That was how he defined
his role to himself.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #284 on: January 30, 2013, 12:14:09 PM »
In an email I just received -

"You can never understand one language until you understand at least two."

— Herbert Geoffrey Willans: English author and journalist
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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #285 on: January 30, 2013, 02:27:28 PM »
Thanks, JoanP, for the interview. What an interesting life. What a busy life. Very touching to hear about the neighbor telling Alicja a day or two after the author's death, how sorry he was to see the light in the study turned off. It had always been on.

And bringing Mother Teresa into the interview is very strange. Did her husband ever have doubts like the patron saint of souls living the dark night? Had Lidia just finished reading COME BE MY LIGHT, an account of Mother Teresa's tempestuous spiritual journey? It came out the year Kapuscinski died. It's heartbreaking.

The link in the header to the complete interview has a photo of the author on his black horse in a sinister valley - with a broad smile.

I located the book. IF NO NEWS, SEND RUMORS. It's by Stephen Bates. 'Anecdotes of American Journalism'. Three hundred years worth. Published in 1989. I had no idea reporting the news was such a complicated business. But then Theodor Roosevelt felt history should be written with imagination. Had he read too much Herodotus?

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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #286 on: January 30, 2013, 02:46:40 PM »
Joan K and P. This journey is soon reaching its final. Thanks to you and all the other participants, has this journey, through thousands of years and countries come to a happy ending.
It seems to me that JK and Herodotus have merge into one person. About Joan P's question how a heartless man like Darius could create beautiful things. I think powerful, and good looking persons can be just as cruel as they want. Never judge a person from his looks. The backs of the slave wasn't his problem. The main thing was to proof his own greatness. And luckily we can look at the remains of it, without feeling their pain. Or can we?
And Joan K. I can very well  understand JK:s fears when he approaches by the police. For anyone (a little aware) of the life in the communist states, it is highly understandable. Almost natural.
Finally, I want to thank Seniornet for arranging, and put down such energy and encouragement to us. It's incredible how much I have learned from everyone about our past and modern history. It feels like I have reached a higher step in the history of man.
Thank you all, and I hope to meet you all again in the mysterious ways of "The hare with auburn eyes"



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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #287 on: January 30, 2013, 03:43:37 PM »
Here is the main page for the Bodrum (Heliocarnassas) Museum of Underwater Archeology that K mentions in the last pages. My Java plugin doesn't handle the panorama program in my Firefox browser. Boo Hoo. Used to be able to see it. Departments will get you to the glass room, etc.

http://www.bodrum-museum.com/

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« Reply #288 on: January 30, 2013, 04:03:15 PM »
Thanks Frybabe that is a wonderful link - so many places I seldom read about with a viewpoint from the ancients and from a part of Europe I gave a 'never mind'.  For me the most fascinating was reading how each morning in India a father and son pray the Upanishads - that is where my curiosity next takes me - this has been a great discussion with a great group who saw things I would have missed... Thanks
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« Reply #289 on: January 31, 2013, 09:18:54 AM »
Great site, FRYBABE. I hadn't heard of the Knights of St. John before. What's really
fascinating, tho', is the history of the widowed Queen Artemisia who built the mausoleum
to honor her much loved husband.  Look her up; she was exceptional.
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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #290 on: January 31, 2013, 02:18:16 PM »
Nautical archeology. It sounds exciting. Imagine exploring the sea-bed of the eastern Mediterranean, and bringing to the surface some of the endless treasures lost and found from immemorial times.

Thanks, Barb, for suggesting this interesting read. What a journey in space and time. Thanks to all of you. It's been fun.

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« Reply #291 on: January 31, 2013, 06:14:50 PM »
What a great discussion - to the very end! Thank you all so much for all the insights and information you have shared with us. 
From Kapuscinski's book I will take seriously his advice to read, to reread the great books- and try to get back to Herodotus, now that I know it is so easily accessible on my library's shelf.  I regret not making the time to read more of it during our time together.

Hope to see you all in our next adventure, beginning tomorrow morning - The Hare with the Amber Eyes. 

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« Reply #292 on: February 03, 2013, 07:47:48 AM »
Just last night heard an interview dated June 2012 discussing Kapuscinski and a biography written by a friend of his. The book was just translated into English and is available in the UK and US. The book apparently caused something of an uproar in Poland when it was originally published. It seems K was something of an icon there and was rarely criticized.
Kapuscinski: A Life.  http://www.amazon.com/Ryszard-Kapuscinski-Life-Artur-Domoslawski/dp/184467858X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359895355&sr=8-1&keywords=Kapuscinski+biography

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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #293 on: February 03, 2013, 07:52:12 AM »
Thanks for sharing this, Fry.  From the link you provided:

"Reporting from such varied locations as postcolonial Africa, revolutionary Iran, the military dictatorships of Latin America and Soviet Russia, the Polish journalist and writer Ryszard Kapuściński was one of the most influential eyewitness journalists of the twentieth century. During the Cold War, he was a dauntless investigator as well as a towering literary talent, and books such as The Emperor and Travels with Herodotus founded the new genre of ‘literary reportage’. It was an achievement that brought him global renown, not to mention the uninvited attentions of the CIA".

"It was an achievement that brought him global renown, not to mention the uninvited attentions of the CIA"  This got my attention!


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Re: Travels with Herodotus by Ryszard Kapuscinski
« Reply #294 on: February 03, 2013, 09:14:45 AM »
  Hmm..   It occurs to me, JOANP, that the CIA probably is interested in anyone who can get about freely most
anywhere, and turns up at trouble spots all over the globe.  Just as a routine thing.  I don't for a minute imagine
Kapuscinski was playing spy as well.  He had quite enough to do not to get arrested or killed on his regular job. 8)
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