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Masterpiece Mystery 2010 brings back favorite sleuths with new episodes. See the complete 2010 MASTERPIECE MYSTERY schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html).
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A Study in Pink (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/studyinpink.html)
October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims.
COMING
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The Blind Banker (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/blindbanker.html)
October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire.
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The Great Game (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/greatgame.html)
November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
List of series and episodes already discussed (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1871.0).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
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A new season of Mystery is starting this Sunday in many areas with our favorite sleuths. It will be interesting to see if the new episodes are up to the high standards that the BBC has set in the past. We'll begin with some new episodes of Foyle's War. You can see preview clips at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/foyleswar/series6.html
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Hi Marcie!
I'll be watching Sunday night and joining the discussion. I'm looking forward to seeing Foyle again.
Evelyn
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Me too.
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me too!
Will we still have the previous season's available? There were links to the last couple that I had planned to watch as I had missed them when they were on. I think they were going to run until later in May.
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I'm glad that there is a lot of interest.
Aliki, I don't think that PBS makes previous season episodes available online. Maybe they show a previous episode if they include an "encore" episode in the new season. Some public libraries have PBS DVDs available for loan and maybe Netflix or Blockbuster has previous seasons of Foyle's War.
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ALIKI, do you know if 'Rosemary and Thyme' had closed captioning. Most of
the BBC presentations did not, at least in the old video formats.
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ALIKI, do you know if 'Rosemary and Thyme' had closed captioning. Most of
the BBC presentations did not, at least in the old video formats.
BABI, I haven't looked for it as my DVD player is kaput and I have to watch my DVDs at my computer which doesn't necessitate my being extra quiet at night.
I do know that the very few foreign DVD's I've tried with English captioning didn't work very well.
I have a new DVD (Inspector Lewis) due at beginning of this week--I'll check it out.
aliki
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I hope to view these, too.
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Great, nlhome. I'm glad you'll be joining us.
I feel funny admitting this but I don't think I've ever seen a Foyle's War episode. I've seen most or all of the Miss Marple, Poirot and Inspector Lewis episodes but not Foyle's War. I hope that I can jump into this season without any background. I'm sure you all will fill me in on anything I need to know.
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Thank you, ALIKI. It's always disappointing if I wait for a DVD, only to discover I can't follow
the story.
Did someone say the 'Foyle's War' series starting tonight is new? I didn't think they had made
any more, and I saw all the old ones. It seems to me I recall one about an escaped Russian
soldier.
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Babi, the schedule says it is new but it sure sounds like the one you saw. Maybe they re-edited the old one, remade it, or someone goofed in the listing.
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I enjoyed "Foyle's War" tonight. --- Sam is looking older, that's okay, but what's with her makeup? Her skin had a grey tone to it, almost like she just finished reading the newspaper and had ink on her upper lip and chin. I always like to watch those PBS episodes again on my computer if I have time, and I will definitely be looking at her skin tones again. Before she always had that great English "peaches and cream" complexion.
It was a good story, very well acted, cohesive. I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the next two episodes.
Evelyn
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Well, my TV Guide describes them as a 'sixth season'. Which would be useful if I had any idea
whether the last group was the fifth or sixth. At any rate, I've recorded the first episode and
will find out today whether I've seen them before or not.
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I started to watch Foyle's War last night but gave up after about an half an hour. It was moving a little to slow for me. I might try again to watch it online later.
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I enjoyed the Foyle's War last night, but I got a little confused towards the end--my husband had to explain that part with the assassin. I got two of the characters mixed up as they looked similar to me and had the wrong person marked as the assassin.
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I started watching last night, but I was so tired from grandchild and garden that I knew I wouldn't last. Hope to watch it on line later also.
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I watched the new Foyle's War and was pleased to find the old fellow in such good style. A litle puzzled by the numerous references to his being married. He has long been a widower, right?, and there has been not mention of a new wife.
What really surprised me, tho', was Milner's behavior. I thought he and Foyle were on the best
of terms, but he acted as though Foyle had greatly offended him. Can anyone tell me what
that was about?
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I believe it is the first time I have heard of the Russians killing their returning war prisoners who had fought with the Germans.
Yes, Milner's behavior was strange and without explanation.
I thought Foyle's wife had died.
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I really like the Foyle character. He's very understated but sure of himself.
I don't know the background but it sounded like Foyle and the Brigadier who first put him on the case could have been talking about his marriage in the past. Did the Brigadier know Foyle from WWI?
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I think it must have been a reference to a deceased wife, MARCIE, but as it came up at least
three times I couldn't help thinking it must be significant. I kept waiting to meet a new wife, but
of course none appeared.
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Yes, Babi, it does seem odd that his marriage would be mentioned that many times.
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Watched "Foyle's War" last night. I was disappointed in it. It was worth watching because of the acting and still so much better than most of what is on tv, but......
Sally
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I just can't get into Foyle. This is the second one I started to watch and gave up on.
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Recorded 'Foyle's War' last night while we watched "Avatar". Remarkable, beautiful film.
I'll have time to see the Foyle episode today; looking forward to it.
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I enjoyed the "Foyle's War" last night. It had the same theme as one of the recent Masterpiece shows: might have been more effective if they'd aired them further apart. And I'm not clear how Foyle solved the crimes. And the solution followed a pattern from earlier shows.
In spite of those flaws, I liked it. I'm willing to watch Kitchener and Weeks in almost anything.
They seem to have got rid of Milner.
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JOANK, I think Foyle is simply never one to accept the first 'solution' that pops up, simply to
get the case off the books. He is very observant of relationships, both good and bad, and
takes them into consideration. I was surprised when the murderer was exposed; I had stopped
one man short. I won't be more specific, just in case someone has not yet watched it.
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I watched the two episodes of Foyle's War that have recently been shown. I enjoyed them very much. The acting is really outstanding.
I particularly enjoyed the scenery in Hastings as my late husband visited the area on our last trip to England before his death which was 7 years ago.. I cannot believe that it has been that long. I have been back to London since but not to the Hastings area.
I am looking forward to the third episode. I had been looking all over SeniorLearn for this discussion. I just now found it. I guess I do not come in to SeniorLearn the best way to find things because I find it extremely hard to navigate.Joan Grimes
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I plan on watching the second episode today. Thanks for not giving anything away yet ;-)
Joan, is it difficult to find the discussion you are looking for if you click Discussion Index on the blue bar below the "news" announcements at the top of the discussion pages? I usually click "SHOW NEW REPLIES" to find discussions in which I have posted.
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I watched the second episode and found it very disturbing. I was very anxious throughout much of it, worrying about what was going to happen to Mandy (the young mother) and, especially to Gabe (the black GI). I had thought that the murder was going to be of Gabe. I thought that the episode was well-done and that the actors were very good.
There seems to be a possible romance budding between Samantha and Adam. I wonder if that will continue.
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That is exactly what I had thought was going to happen Marcie...I just knew that someone was going to murder Gabe...So it surprised me in that way...I thought it was very well done.. The acting was very good.Joan Grimes
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In earlier episodes Sam and Foyle's son were involved. When he went to Scotland he broke up with her and then later they got back together again. Now they only mention that he has a son. I wonder what happened with that? I think I've seen all of the series up to now but have I missed something?
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Flajean, I wondered about Sam and Foyle's son also. I think I've seen all the Foyle's War shows starting with series 1. My library has them all, also, so I can easily do repeats. I haven't watched the Russian soldier episode yet -- it's in the middle of the tape, somewhere, but I think it's the last of series 5.
I taped the one about the African American soldiers and watched it last night. It was very disturbing, especially the attitudes of the white U.S. soldiers and their treatment of the African Americans. I know it was from a different era, but it was still horrible.
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Sorry I haven't been actively participating in last couple of PBS books/programs. You see, they are poorly timed what with the Sports Finals taking more time and energy I can bear and I don't have anything to record one show and watch another and--well--a gal's got to have her priorities, no matter if within a group she is marching to a 'different drummer.' 8) ;)
I love reading the posts and will be getting the stories and catching up during the summer with books and films from library and/or Netflix.
aliki
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Finally, a Foyle I liked.
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I thought the third Foyle was the best of the three in this particular series. I hope things work out for Sam. The next series Foyle series will be interesting if they continue. Remember when the American industrialist committed murder and the British government let him go because he was helping the war? Well, Foyle promised he wouldn't forget and it sounds like he is going to America to fulfill his promise.
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I thought this episode was the best of this series of Foyle's War. As always the acting was superb, the senery was gorgeous...I really did enjoy it...Foyle is really a very complicated person...I hope there will be more Foyle....Joan Grimes
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Aliki: you are not alone: I'm an incredible sports junkie. Luckily, my team lost early in ice hockey, and I'm not hooked on soccer, but my team's still in it in basketball, and getting hot in baseball. And the French Open in tennis is coming up.
Let's see-- what have I forgotten? Oh, yes, the hot sport in my neighborhood (Southern California) is beach volleyball. The tournaments, broadcast every week, will start soon. And I don't know when the British Open golf tournament is, but it can't be too long-- anyway, you get the idea.
But I'm not a sports addict -- I can stop any time I want. I'd hate to give up curling, though!
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I am an Alabama Football Fan and also Alabama Basket Ball Fan...Have been known to watch Alabama baseball and softball...Love all that...Joan Grimes
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ALIKI, I've been wanting to ask you something. You have an unusual name.
Are you by any chance the "Aliki" that writes children's books? I run
across the name while checking in books at my library and. of course, it
reminds me of you.
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Masterpiece Mystery 2010 brings back favorite sleuths with new episodes. See the complete 2010 MASTERPIECE MYSTERY schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html).
NOW DISCUSSING
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A Study in Pink (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/studyinpink.html)
October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims.
COMING
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The Blind Banker (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/blindbanker.html)
October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire.
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The Great Game (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/greatgame.html)
November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
List of series and episodes already discussed (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1871.0).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
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I just watched the last Foyle episode. I agree with you all that it's the best of the three. I really enjoyed it. I love the way that the actors portray Foyle, Sam, Adam and the inspector that was in charge of the case.
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I'm assuming that eventually we will join Foyle in America and see what
he is up to there. Looking forward to that. Meanwhile, it appears that we
will have Miss Marple back, but I can't tell if these are new or re-runs.
The schedule doesn't say who is playing Miss Marple.
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Babi, I'll put up some info about the Miss Marple episodes in the heading I found on the PBS site. It says: "Acclaimed British actress Julia McKenzie (Cranford) stars as the beloved sleuth Miss Marple in the all-new Series V featuring three episodes. Two encore presentations from Series IV will also be presented." See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/marple/index.html
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"All-new", eh? I wonder what the writers will try this time. Going back to
the original story might be a novelty, after all the remakes we've seen. ;)
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lol, babi ;)
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ALIKI, I've been wanting to ask you something. You have an unusual name.
Are you by any chance the "Aliki" that writes children's books? I run
across the name while checking in books at my library and. of course, it
reminds me of you.
Babi, unfortunately not--although I am a reader of childrens books! Just bought Tom Sawyer and The House at Pooh Corner, books I thought I had read but don't remember anything about them!
The 'Aliki' is my name in Greek and I just like it. Thanks for asking!
By the way, forgot to mention how happy I am to see Julia McKenzie as Miss Marple. I have been a fan of hers since that silly BritCom "Fresh Fields!"
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I bought " The Mirror Cracked from Side to Side" on Kindle and I am rereading it...So I will be better able to compare what Master Piece Mystery does with what Agatha Christie wrote...Joan Grimes
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I'm not familiar with Julia MacKenzie. I'm glad to hear you think well of
her, ALIKI. It will be interesting to see how she fares going from a 'silly'
show to Miss Marple.
Oh, I just went to check out the name and of course I know Julia
MacKenzie! I had forgotten the name. but I loved her in Cranford. Now
I can't wait to see her as Miss Marple tonight.
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BABI re: Julia McKenzie--I think, if memory serves me, that she was also part of the group that did "Calendar Girls."
aliki
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I can't say that I found the current The Mirror Cracked from Side to Side outstanding in any way. Rather ordinary. I did like the B/W newsreel intro though.
At the end, PBS did some promos for future shows which included Wallander. I wonder when they expect to squeeze them in; it isn't website on their schedule - yet.
Ah, hah. I found a tiny reference to the new Wallander series coming in the fall.
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I saw that movie, Aliki, tho' I don't remember it well. I couldn't name
anyone who was in it. I've recorded the first Miss Marple and will watch
it sometime today.
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I much prefer "The Mirror Cracked" with Joan Hickson which was on Mystery several years ago. I have a copy of it and it follows the book much better. After seeing Joan Hickson, I have difficulty seeing anyone else in that role.
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For some reason I never liked "The Mirror Cracked." I started watching and decided that I knew "who dun it" and "why dun it" and didn't need to watch the story again, although I always enjoy the setting and the scenery. It's summer - I don't have time to watch much on TV just now.
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I thought this production had good acting in all the roles. I really enjoyed it, despite having seen it before. After all, how often have we gone to see a favorite opera, play or ballet?
It's all in the performance.
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I thought it was fun. The acting by several of the actors was quite "over the top," intentionally. Miss Marple seemed to be overshadowed a bit.
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Next week, it looks like there is a Memorial Day break, then the following two weeks Mystery will re-broadcast two Miss Marple's from last season. See the heading at the top of this discussion.
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I thought "Mirror" quite ordinary. I saw an old version with Elizabeth Taylor as the movie star, and she really did it well, as you can imagine!) I think Angela Lansbury was Miss Marple. Good, but not Marple. I've wondered if this role was the inspiration for her "Murder, She Wrote" series.
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I remember seeing that one too, JoanK, long ago. Wasn't it a made for TV movie? I couldn't remember who played other than Angela Lansbury so I looked it up.
What a cast. Aside from Lansbury and Taylor, Geraldine Chaplin, Kim Novak, Edward Fox, Tony Curtis, and Rock Hudson appeared. Two other names I recognized on the list were John Bennett, and Charles Gray. Gray played Mycroft opposite Jeremy Brett and Edward Hardwicke in their TV Sherlock Holmes series. I last saw Bennett in one of my favorite fun SciFi films, The Fifth Element. Pierce Brosnan was listed as "uncredited". Did you notice him? I am going to have to find a copy to watch.
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Thanks for the information on the Elizabeth Taylor version. I'm going to look for it.
LOL, I found a short clip of Taylor and Pierce Brosnan. He is playing opposite her in a movie she is rehearsing. He doesn't have a speaking part in the clip. He just gets "clasped to her bosom." :D
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;D I'd love to see his face in that clip, MARCIE.
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Sorry, I meant to include the link! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ70Q9egsl8
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His face looked a little fuzzy and look at all that hair.
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;)
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Ah, not the Pierce we now know. Just another pretty face waiting with eyes cast down, humbly. Perhaps trying to hide his own opinion of that scene? ;)
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Margaret Hickson is still my favorite Miss Marple. We have the Miss Marple DVDs with her in the role and have watched them several times.
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LOL, Babi re Pierce Brosnan :-)
Margaret Hickson is my favorite Miss Marple too.
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Hickson does look closest to my visualization of Miss Marple, FLAJEAN.
That always helps.
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I WISH I could understand what Joan Hickson is saying, but I've never been able to understand a word -- she mumbles so. So I could never listen to he Miss Marple.
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JoanK, Joan Hickson's Miss Marple, does talk to herself in a mumbly way. I is a bit difficult to hear her.
Tonight we have a repeat of last year's Pocketfull of Rye. See a preview at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/marple/pocketfullofrye.html
The inspector is played by Matthew Macfadyen who was in the latest PBS production of Little Dorrit and who was Mr. Darcy in the 2005 film, Pride and Prejudice, with Keira Knightly.
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No Miss Marple for me tonight. My local station must be begging for dollars this week. There is a special on tonight. When I tuned in about an hour ago they had "The Priests" in concert. Now they have an honoring Elaine Paige whoever she is and an Ed Sullivan thing at nine.
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Too bad about Miss Marple, Frybabe.
From the Elaine Paige website at http://www.elainepaige.com/biography.html
"Elaine Paige has starred in numerous West End productions and on Broadway and in concert internationally, sweeping to fame when she created her award winning performance as Eva Peron in Evita. Shortly afterwards she created the role of Grizabella in the original production of Cats and the classic song Memory became one of Elaine's many hit records. "
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No Miss Marple for me, either. Drat! My local PBS decided to do something else last night.
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Miss Marple wasn't on in my area either. But we can watch Pocketful of Rye online through June 20 at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/marple/watch.html
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Miss Marple wasn't on in my area either--PBS fund raising time again.
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I'm sure they'll get back to Miss Marple eventually; we'll just be lagging
behind. The link was thoughtful, MARCIE, but videos don't work for me. No cc.
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It's too bad that they don't print the text with online videos. I find subtitles very helpful when viewing DVDs. It makes it so much easier to catch what everyone says.
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No Miss Marple for me either.
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I guess that many areas have opted not to show the "reruns' of Miss Marple.
On June 20, we'll have a new production, "The Secret of the Chimneys." See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/marple/chimneys.html
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I don't think I've seen either "The Secret of Chimneys" or "The Blue Geranium" before. At least I don't recognize anything from the clips. Edward Fox is playing in "The Secret of Chimneys". We seem to be seeing more of him lately.
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Masterpiece Mystery 2010 brings back favorite sleuths with new episodes. See the complete 2010 MASTERPIECE MYSTERY schedule (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/schedule/index.html).
NOW DISCUSSING
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A Study in Pink (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/studyinpink.html)
October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims.
COMING
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The Blind Banker (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/blindbanker.html)
October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire.
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The Great Game (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/greatgame.html)
November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
List of series and episodes already discussed (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1871.0).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
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We've got two new Miss Marple's for the next two Sundays. See the heading above. I hope that everyone's local PBS stations will be showing them.
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I watched Murder is Easy on the net a few days ago. I liked it better this time than when I saw it when it was first on. I don't think I've ever seen the next two. At least, I don't recognized the names. It will be nice to see a little more of Edward Fox again.
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I'm glad that Murder is Easy improved on second viewing for you, Frybabe. It's available online until June 27 for anyone who want to check it out.
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I was off for a few days so I've yet to watch the online version of The Secret of Chimneys (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/marple/watch.html). I'd better do that before the next Miss Marple this Sunday!
We've got great news from PBS. We're going to be celebrating Agatha Christie's 120th birthday with them as they unveil a new adaptation of MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS. There is a link at the top of our heading (at the top of this discussion) to details. SeniorLearn benefits by receiving free copies of the book. We'll be talking about the book and TV version and a special with David Suchet as he travels the Orient Express. Email jonkie@verizon.net with your name and mailing address to reserve your copy of the book for only the cost of the postage!
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Oh, that's right. I watched "Chimneys" on Sunday. I liked it a lot.
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I just finished watching Chimneys. Frybabe, I also liked it. It had a complex plot with a lot of red herrings but I enjoyed it. I thought the actors were all very good.
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I certainly couldn't guess who the killer was. Were you surprised? I was.
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We know you have seen film productions of "Murder on the Orient Express" - but how many have actually read the book? If you are interested in receiving a free copy of the book (except for some postage), please email me your full name and mailing address and I'll get it off to you as long as the supply lasts.
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Frybabe, yes I was surprised at the killer. Chimneys had me guessing until nearly the end.
Joan, I've never read "Murder on the Orient Express." I'd love a copy of the book. I'll email you my info. It should be fun to read it for Agatha Christie's 120th anniversary in conjunction with the new PBS adaptation. I've seen several tv movie versions (or seen an older one several times) but I happily don't remember who did it.
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My local station is apparently back on-line with the Marple mysteries and has "Blue Geranium" scheduled for tonight. I don't recall that one at all.
I'm puzzled by the dates for the shows. Tonight is June 27; next Sunday would be July 4th, would it not?
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I'm glad Miss Marple is back for you, Babi. The David Suchet special is going to be on a Wednesday, July 7. I guess they are taking July 4th off for other programming.
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I watched The Secret of Chimneys last evening and enjoyed it. I'd read the book long ago. I thought the production was fine. I hope to watch the next one tonight on TV.
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I hadn't read or seen an adaptation of "Chimneys" and enjoyed it. My husband guessed the killer half way through but I didn't believe him. >:( Looking forward to tonight's Miss Marple.
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nlhome and FlaJean, it seems that all of us who watched the Chimneys enjoyed it. FlaJean, your husband is a good detective. Let's see how he does with tonight's episode ;-)
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The "Blue Geranium" did not sound familiar to me, but as soon as I realized it referred to the
flower changing color on the wallpaper, I remembered the story. But not how it came out,
thankfully, so I still enjoyed the 'who-dun-it' part of the story.
I find this version of Miss Marple a little too vigorous and robustly healthy. Not that the original Miss Marple wasn't in good health, but she seemed from her description to be somewhat more physically delicate and fragile. Isn't that how she seemed to you?
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The beginning of The Blue Geranium looked very, very familiar - but not the rest of it. I liked the story well enough, although I thought Miss Marple was unusually "aggressive" in her approach.
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Well, since the wrong man was scheduled to die, I can understand the
need to be aggressive. There wasn't much time. I was surprised, in
Chimneys, that she was not more upset and saddened to find the murderer was a long-time acquaintance and the husband of a dear friend.
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Here we have to wait until Sunday, July 11 for Murder on the Orient Express. I love the movie, but have never read the book, so that will be fun.
I guess I missed out on Murder is Easy, but have taped Chimneys and Blue Geranium to watch at leisure. That latter title is unfamiliar to me.
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I haven't watched Geranium but will this week. The special about the Orient Express with David Suchet will show next Wednesday, July 7. The Christie "Murder on the Orient Express" will show on Sunday, July 11.
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I enjoyed both "Chimneys" and "Geranium". Funny, I know I've read "Chimneys", but didn't recognize the plot at all. Did they change it around a lot?
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JoanK, I haven't read "Chimneys" so can't help with that question. I just watched "Geranium" and found it as interesting as "Chimneys." I too think these last two Miss Marple's were very good. I wonder if PBS had gotten feedback about some of the previous ones (ones that most of us here on SeniorLearn found some fault with).
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Ah, I see now. This Sunday is July 4th, and of course PBS will be featuring the Capitol celebration. I think I have seen the David Suchet
film before. That is a repeat, isn't it?
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Babi, it sounds from the article at http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/21/david-suchet-orient-express-documentary-itv that Suchet was just beginning to film the Orient Express special in May 2009. It seems like it may be making its premier this July.
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From the preview Sunday night I think David Suchet looks much older than he did in the previous series several years ago, so I believe this must be a new production.
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Suchet does look older as himself, with his thinning grey hair. Let's see how he looks as Poirot with dark moustache and dark slicked-back hair :-)
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Good to have another mystery fan join us, mrssherlock!
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Please forgive me for running this PBS promotion again, but the programming is scheduled to begin in a little over a week, and I have many FREE copies of Agatha Christie's book to give away. Can't figure out what to do with the extras. Can you think of anyone who might like to receive a copy?
Come July, PBS is celebrating A Christie's 120 birthday - with PRESENTS for all -
We know you have seen film productions of "Murder on the Orient Express" - but how many have actually read the book? If you are interested in receiving a free copy of the book (except for some postage), please email me your full name and mailing address and I'll get it off to you as long as the supply lasts. My email address is jonkie@verizon.net.
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Thanks, Joan, for mailing me a copy of the book. The postage from Virginia to California was just a little over $2.00 so the book was inexpensive. If someone wants to request a copy for a friend too, you could probably mail two or more copies of the book inexpensively.
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Here’s David Suchet without the mustache and looking most unpoirotish.
C'est Poirot? (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2010/07/07/DDVQ1E943E.DTL&o=0)
So is the actual Christie film a NEW one by PBS, or the 1974 film with Albert Finney as Poirot and a host of several other magnificent stars?
I’m reading the book, received last week from JoanP and am really caught up in it. I hope I can finish it before Sunday night. I wonder if this film will show how Poirot uses part of a hatbox to decipher some burned scraps of paper. It’s in the book (early on) and I can’t visualize it.
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Pedln, thanks for the link. We'll see David Suchet sans mustache tonight in the special about the famous train. He doesn't look like Poirot, does he?
Sunday we'll see a NEW PBS version of MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS with Suchet playing Poirot.
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What a treat to journey with David Suchet on the Orient Express.
http://www.orient-express.com/web/vsoe/venice_simplon_orient_express.jsp
When I win the Lottery I'll take one of those forays into the past . . .
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I don't know if the orient express is running now or not. It seems to be off and on.
I rode the Orient Express in 1964(?) from Geneva to outside Athens. You had to be sure to get on the right car, or you would wind up in Belgrade, or Rome or somewhere else. Unfortunately, all the glamour is in first class and we rode tourist, with the women with the chickens, and the toilets that didn't flush for two days.
They had little compartments that hold about six or eight people, like you see in British mysteries. We were the only Americans, but the others managed to communicate with us. I'll never forget when we went through then Yugoslavia, how nice and friendly the Yugoslovians were. I couldn't believe what happened there later.
It was January, and there was snow outside. When we got to the border, everyone had to get off the train while they searched it. Everyone but us! At the time, I think Tito wanted good relationswith the US. So my husband and I sat on the train warm and toasty, while everyone else stood on the freezing platform for hours and glared at us. When our compartmentmates got back on board, we apologized, and I gave my coat to cover a woman who was shaking from the cold. Peace was restored.
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My local station is running the special on the Orient Express tonight at 9.
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That is really interesting JoanK.
Here's their web-site for anyone who cares (and can afford it). Be sure to check out the history pages. Click on "The train" and then scroll down and click on "History".
http://www.orient-express.com/web/vsoe/venice_simplon_orient_express.jsp
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There are excursions scheduled for Sept and Oct this year; approx $5300 each one way.
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Let's figure out how we can get a good deal on that train! JoanK, what a wonderful memory you have - chickens or no. You are one of the lucky ones!
I stopped in this evening to let you know that all of the copied of Murder on the Orient Express which PBS was so kind to send us - are gone. Hopefully you will all have your copies of the book before the weekend. Thanks, PBS!
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I enjoyed your little story about riding the Orient Express, JOAN. A
very different picture in the tourist class, but a chance to meet
nice people.
JOANP, did you get the personal message I sent you? The e-mail I
tried to send came back; something about Verizon not responding for
too long.
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I enjoyed the special on the Orient Express. I wish it was longer. The information about the train was interesting and we got to see a little of the six countries that it passed through. Suchet was a charming host. It was fun to see him "drive" one of the engines by pushing some buttons on a console. I'm looking forward to the mystery on Sunday.
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I enjoyed it, too. I couldn't help smiling seeing him so thrilled to drive the train!
The corridors are the way I remember. I think they just refitted the staterooms to contain a bench on each side where about 3 people could sit. Evidently when I rode it, it was going downhill (the clogged-up toilets) and they had converted some cars to tourist class.
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I just finished the Orient Express, as I had taped it. Thoroughly, enjoyed it! What beautiful scenery. The train itself, is beautiful, too. I would love to take a trip on it, however the price of a ticket, exceeds my budget. Now, I am looking forward to the latest Poirout, tomorrow night.
Sheila
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Sheila, I just looked up the price of a two day/one night trip from Venice to Paris on the Venice Simplon Orient Express and, of course, you have to get yourself over to the starting destination ;). http://www.orient-express.com/web/vsoe/journeys/4_121968.jsp
Shared Occupancy of a Double cabin US$2680
Shared Occupancy of a Suite cabin US$3610
Prices are per person and include all table d'hôte meals and accommodation on board based on two people sharing.
I too am looking forward to the new version of MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS tonight. It must have been helpful to David Suchet as an actor to have that train ride and background information before he filmed the mystery.
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I am just now watching David Suchet's film about the Orient Express and his travels through those gorgeous countrysides! When do we leave??? How about we go for a whole week??? I can barely afford going to NYC in September. My gosh, $2600 a night! I wonder how many meals they give you for those prices??
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Well, that would be a magnificent trip, but I'll settle for just about any train ride. I love them. The one across the Canadian Rockies has sleeping compartments, I think, and probably is not as costly as the Orient Express.
I saw the David Suchet special the other night, but don't know if I'll get to see the Christie film. Bloomin' cable -- one channel -- PBS -- has undecipherable captions, gobblydegook. Good one day, undecipherable the next. Okay yesterday, not ok today. The local PBS has been helpful and cooperative, but say it's not on their end. Finally got hold of some clout people with the cable company -- not easy -- so we shall see. Of course I'm the only person in SE Missouri or even the world complaining about this. Baloney.
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I watched Murder of the Orient Express last night. I was surprised by how much I had forgotten about the plot. Did anyone else think Poirot seemed to be in a constant bad, irritated, or impatient mood through the whole of the story? He only reluctantly got involved, and not one word about his little grey cells.
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There were some changes in the plot, though not too many. And some of the characters were younger...and different. I did think changing the character of Mrs. Hubbard was a mistake;
the original was much more amusing and believable.
Poirot was a much grimmer character in this version. I felt it was less in keeping with the character Christie created.
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It's been a while since I've seen the Albert Finney film. How do you feel this filme compares with it? Were there many changes?
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I remembered another man playing Poirot, not Albert Finney who was Poirot for "Orient Express" movie. It was Peter Ustinov and here's part of the article that I just read.
'EMI returned to Poirot in a theatrical release of Death on the Nile in 1978, based on the novel of the same name and starring this time Peter Ustinov as Poirot. The movie was actually filmed in Egypt under horrendous temperatures, and the poor crew had no hotel reservations. The cast was an all-star one also, with: Bette Davis, David Niven, Mia Farrow, Angela Lansbury, and Jack Warden. The movie poster (painted by Richard Amsel who did the "Raiders of the Lost Ark" poster) featured an Egyptian King holding a knife in one hand and a revolver in the other.
Peter Ustinov returned as Poirot in another production, this time by Universal of Evil Under the Sun, premiering in 1982. The movie also starred Diana Rigg, James Mason, and Roddy McDowall. The director of the movie was Guy Hamilton, also director of Bond movies like "Goldfinger", "Diamonds Are Forever", and "Live and Let Die". Another theatrical release of a Poirot movie came in 1988, starring Ustinov again as Poirot. This was Appointment With Death, this time an EMI production, also starring Carrie Fisher and Lauren Bacall.
Ustinov wasn't done, however, with portraying the Belgian detective. He appeared as Poirot in three made-for-television movies: Thirteen at Dinner (1985), Dead Man's Folly (1986), and Murder in Three Acts (1986). The first of these was based on Lord Edgware Dies and was made by Warner Brothers. It also starred Faye Dunaway and David Suchet as Inspector Japp, just before he himself played the famous detective. (Interesting note is that Suchet once said that playing Japp was "possibly the worst performance of my career.") The next TV movie of Ustinov's was Dead Man's Folly, again by Warner Bros. and shown in 1986. The role of Ariadne Oliver the novelist was portrayed by Jean Stapleton; Tim Piggot-Smith also starred. The last of the Ustinov movies was Murder in Three Acts in 1986 (based on Three-Act Tragedy). It starred Jonathan Cecil and Tony Curtis. Instead of the setting being in England, it was changed to Acapulco.
Before the current actor doing Poirot is discussed, another made-for-TV movie was shown on CBS in April 2001, starring the English actor Alfred Molina as Poirot in Murder on the Orient Express. He's the Poirot of the 21st Century, using his gray cells of the brain with modern technology. (Would Poirot really use a laptop computer? No, I don't think so.) For what Molina's given here, and a tough act to follow, Molina does a fair job of doing Poirot. However, the script is the main fault here, with Poirot getting a love interest, with the changes of characters and the way Poirot goes about his investigations. Of all of the Poirot stories to adapt, why was this one picked? It's nearly impossible to do a "new version" after the Albert Finney film: it was near perfection because it was so faithful to the novel. This TV movie received bad reviews from historians, fans, and critics alike. Although I like Molina as an actor, this movie really stunk."
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Pedln, I'm sorry that your closed captioning is problematic. I hope that gets fixed. I prefer to use it with programs where the actors speak with accents and programs that have a lot of interesting dialog.
Thanks very much, Anne, for posting that information about the various actors who played the lead in "Murder on the Orient Express." I'm going to look for the 1974 film with Albert Finney. I don't remember it. Look at this list of stars from that version!! The film starred Albert Finney as Poirot, Martin Balsam as M. Bianchi, Richard Widmark as Ratchett and an all-star cast of suspects including Sean Connery, Lauren Bacall, Anthony Perkins, John Gielgud, Michael York, Jean-Pierre Cassel, Jacqueline Bisset, Dame Wendy Hiller, Vanessa Redgrave, Colin Blakely and Ingrid Bergman (who won the 1974 Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress for her role as Greta Ohlsson).
Fybabe and Babi, I plan to watch the episode on my "on demand" cable station today. I'll look to see if I too perceive a sterner Poirot. And I'll watch for the changes in characters from the book.
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Speaking of Albert Finney, my favorite movie of his that I've seen is The Green Man. I remember liking the movie Tom Jones when it came out, but I haven't been interested in seeing it again.
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I saw the movie last night. I felt it was ok, but not great. The camera spent too much time focussing on Suchet, and not enough time developing the other characters. They just cluttered up the place, and didn't have the indeviduality that Christie gave them.
I had planned to reread the book, first, but only got hlfway through it. The first half was true to the book, evcept for the stoning scene at the beginning. They did it to set up the moral dilemma at the end (This was a big change from the book).
I'd give it a "C", not up to other versions I've seen. The Ustinov version was very good (in spite of the fact that U was nothing like Poirot). I don't remember the Finney version.
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I haven't started the book yet, which I thank SeniorNet and WGBH for. It has been many years since I read it, but I hope I will enjoy it more than I did the new TV production. I have heard from other viewers in a different List/Serve and many were as disappointed as I was. I found the tone to be off, no humor in it at all, Poirot terribly grim and out of sorts throughout, and his shouting and badgering so out of character. I enjoyed the Suchet special on the "Orient Express" and all his intelligent and charming comments, so I know that his new Poirot was not because he's lost his acting abilities but more a directorial choice, no doubt. And for me, a mistaken choice.
JOAN, it won't matter if postage goes up. The Forever Stamps are just that, forever.
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I, too, was very disappointed in the program. The story was slightly different and there was no humor. I wonder if the writers wrote it that way or was it Suchet's interpretation? I prefer my Poirot to have a little humor!
Sally
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I just finished the book and found that this new PBS version has taken great pains to add things that are NOT in the book and to delete things that are there.
They added all kinds of religous overtones from the stoning of the Moslim woman to Poirots dependence on his beads and crucifix to guide him. There is not an iota of religosity in Christies books. Why was this added? It turned into a morality tale instead of a darn good mystery tale.
As some of you have mentioned they took away Poirot's sense of humor and made him a dour, aging person. His moustache
curled downward instead of being perkily uplifted at the ends.
I was left feeling that PBS has let us down this time. I hope future episodes will stay closer to the original Christie mysteries.
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Happy to join, have questions.
In the first post in this folder, this PBS endeavor is billed as David Suchet's adaptation, broadcast in consecutive episodes.
My own first experience was on Friday, July 7. I enjoyed it, particularly the scenes from Venice, where I lived once. Imagine my disappointment when yesterday, July 11, the very same one was shown. This single episode, viewed twice, is my only reference point.
The episode was, to me, a (somewhat uneven) blending of Orient Express history and lore, narrated by David Suchet (latterly sans mustache), with random (often lightning-speed) scenes from the original movie of Murder on the Orient Express, interspersed with David Suchet's return trip as a celebrity himself, with the usual picture-taking and hand-shaking.
I've come to this discussion late and without preparation, and so I wonder how are we to take this "adaptation"?
As the prelude to a new Masterpiece Theatre movie (is one being planned?),
or as part of the celebration for Dame Agatha, and recall this perhaps best-kown mystery?
In any case, it is a wonderful incentive to read the book, even for a non-mystery fan like me. And I'm enjoying it.
Thank you, JoanP.
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I viewed the PBS movie Murder On the Orient Express yesterday . I agree with many of the comments here.
I understood the moral dilemma but I was confused at the ending scene .
Could some one be kind enogh to explain the ending scene for me ? That sneer/ smile on Piroit "s face really as he walks away from the Border Police really confused me . Help Help
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Hi retiried. I thought the look on Poirot's face was more of distain or disgust. I couldn't tell from the scene whether or not he actually gave them all up or let them go. The guilty parties certainly all looked hopeful, but also like they were uncertain what he had told the police as he walked away from them.
Traude, you can view the episode you missed online at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/poirot/watch.html until 7/25. They reran the David Suchet trip on the Orient Express right after the play production on the 11th here. Maybe your station plans to run the production later this week!?
They added all kinds of religous overtones from the stoning of the Moslim woman to Poirots dependence on his beads and crucifix to guide him.
JudeS, I noticed it but didn't think on it to deeply since I haven't read the book yet. Interjecting some kind of social commentary do you think?
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I haven't posted in so long, I have almost forgotten how. However, I feel I must respond to the PBS Masterpiece version of Agatha Christie's "Murder on the Orient Express" shown on July 11.
What a disappointment! As someone mentioned earlier, Poirot seemed angry and irritable most of the time. The Poirot we have come to expect was missing. Also, the character development was almost nonexistent. The development of the 12 characters is so important to understanding the story. Perhaps two episodes would have been preferable. Ninety minutes, actually less than ninety minutes, is not sufficient time to do the plot justice.
The Albert Finny version of the story takes more time to develop the story, although, I think David Suchet is the better Hercule Poirot. Neither version was a good as the book, which I thank those in charge for sending me a copy. However, I'm looking forward to the next two Poirot programs which I hope will prove to be better.
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I had DVR'd the program, and as my luck would have it, the DVR froze up about 10 minutes before the ending, which meant I had to reset it, and it lost those ten minutes. However, I found in the beginning, that Poirot was practically comatose, and exquisitely "boring". I don't think I missed a whole lot by the DVR malfunction. I have seen other D. Suchet performances, and he had more life and humor.
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I had forgotten the Albert Finney movies, ANNIE. What surprises me is the all-star casts that were featured in those films. Most of the actors I've seen in these made-for-TV specials are people not familiar to me.
I agree, JUDE. The emphasis was on the moral question of what constitutes true justice. I hadn't noticed the bit about the down-turned mustache. That probably contributed a good deal to the grimmer effect we saw in Poirot. Sharp eye you've got there.
I thought it evident, from the behavior of the police, that Poirot had said nothing about the mass guilt of the passengers. No startled reactions, no stern glances directed towards them. The self-appointed
administers of justice were safe. Frankly, I don't think any jury would
have condemned them.
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Yes, Christie doesn't pose it as a huge moral dilemma. Nor, as was said, was there any religion in Christie. We know that Poirot was a practicing catholic, but he doesn't use his religion to help him make decisions, nor use a rosary. In the book, it is not he who makes the decision: he leaves it to the other officials.
The one exception to lack of religion in Christie that I can remember is an early book where the murderer "gets away" with it, and then is killed in a plane crash. The implication is that this is God's justice. (Rather hard on the other people in the plane!).
But there is a dilemma here. Does everyone agree with the decision to let them go?
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I was also disappointed with the PBS "Murder---".
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The PBS film was shown here on Monday night as well on the second Boston PBS channel, and that's when I saw it.
The beginning was rbaffling : for there's nothing in the book about a stoning. This prequel-like introduction was apparently considered necessary by the script writers.
The characters were not as clearly and distinctly portrayed in the movie. I much prefer the book. Are we going to discuss it or the movie, or both?
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Traude, let's talk about both the book and the PBS episode. Has everyone who wants to do so had a chance to view the episode and to finish the book?
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I was rather "jarred" by Poirot's reaction to the stoning at the beginning of the production. He implied that she had it coming as she knew what consequences breaking the law had. Now that I look back on it, this set the tone of Poirot. I hadn't noticed the down turned mustache. Those things plus Poirot's constant fingering of the rosary beads completely changed his character. Don't you wonder why producers, writers and actors feel it necessary to change vital elements in the story? The book and the original movie were much better than this production. Why did they feel they needed to "modernize" the story????
Sally
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Well, now that I think about it, if you're going to film a story that's been done umpteen times,
I suppose the producers and playwrights would hunger to do something different. If all the
characters were presented exactly the same way each time, would I really bother to watch it?
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Found this interesting site about Poirot. http://www.poirot.us/
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Frybabe, that is an interesting web site. I especially enjoyed the section on how David Suchet prepares for the role of Poirot (http://www.poirot.us/suchet.php) at http://www.poirot.us/suchet.php.
As most of you (Frybabe, JoanK, Salan, Zulema, JudeS, dean69, Tomereader, Flajean, Babi) have posted, I, too, thought that there was no humor in the filmed version. The book had me laughing out loud in a few places (especially in scenes with Poirot, the director of the train company and the doctor). With only 90 minutes for the PBS version, it seems that the screenwriter and/or director thought that they couldn't afford the distraction of humor and Poirot had to remain solemn to keep the tone of "moral dilemma" that permeated this film adaptation.
Also, with only 90 minutes, I thought that the characters were not developed enough for me to have a lot of empathy with them.
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salan, I've seen on some other sites that some people think that Poirot was condoning the stoning of the woman in the beginning scenes. When Poirot meets Mary D on the train and says he saw her in Istanbul and she realizes he saw the stoning, Mary D says she is outraged by it. Poirot says it's best not to intervene in other people's cultures and justice is often difficult to watch but he qualified by saying that he did find it upsetting. In one of the last scenes in the car when he is speaking to the 12 passengers, Poirot brings up the stoning as "vigilante justice" and not something he approves of.
JoanK, I agree that the writer/director did seem to me to be rather heavy handed in the introduction of religious themes/symbolism to convey moral issues. What do you all think about those elements in this adaptation?
SPOILER ALERT ABOUT ENDING
Retired asks what happened in the last scene. Babi thinks that Poirot didn't give away the culprits but blamed the murder on a stranger who dressed up as a conductor and fled the scene, as happens in the book, with the director of the train choosing that option. I think so too.I think Poirot is "doing his penance" praying on this rosary for his role in covering up how justice was done. How do you think the ending portrays what Poirot told the police? JoanK asks what we think of letting go those who took the life of Ratchett (if you think that is what happened).
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I don't think Poirot gave up the passengers. He implied that it was someone dressed up as a conductor and let the inspectors draw their own conclusions. Perhaps, he thought it was vigilante justice and 'twas best not to interfere. If so, how do you think this compares to the vigilante justice of the crowd stoning the woman??? Interesting thought and sort of ties the beginning of the program to the end.
Joan K. I agree with the decision to let them go. I would never be chosen to serve on a jury for a trial of anyone who killed a child molester. If anyone harmed my child or grandchild in that manner, I would be tempted to seek justice. The courts are far to lenient on these criminals imo.
Sally
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Here is in interesting historical article on stoning from Wikipedia. I am surprised by what I read. It also has some lists at the bottom including "stonings in literature". It is a very short list but includes Robert A. Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning
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Joan,
Just finished the book and I am so glad you sent it and again, thank you. It is not the best Agatha Christie book, but then it is claustrophobic by its very nature. Not much room to move around in. There is no stoning of anyone and the suicide of an officer is mentioned in a by-the-way manner as having occurred in the background in a process of setting things right in Aleppo, nothing to do with Poirot. He does not reprimand anyone and caused them to commit suicide. I see it as a mistake to bring in extraneous material just to make it "relevant" to the present time. I mentioned the mustache in my mystery List/Serve and felt I was being catty. It actually seems to not fit too well on Poirot's right side and I'm glad it was noticed by others. Poirot never lifts his voice, he is said to smile at various points. He gets angry once, early, but it's shown by what he says rather than by having him shout and it is at the absurdity of the situation, not directed at any one person: "Ah! c'est rigolo, tout ça!" There are many humorous comments, the doctor is certainly not involved in the murder, and the end is worked out very diplomatically. Two solutions are offered by Poirot, and after he shows the passengers that he knows exactly what happened and how, he then demonstrates to the train officers and to the passengers that the incorrect solution he offered first is the best under the circumstances and the one, that of an intruder, that will be passed on to the "Jugo-Slavian" authorities. They agree. End of affair.
There is no condoning of murder, but the tone of the dialogue is what conveys that, not unnecessary religious discussions and pitting Protestant Evangelism against Roman Catholicism.
I for one found the exchange between the missionary, who in the book never preaches, and Poirot who then pulls out his rosary (not remotely in the book), as blatantly cheapening the action. Tone is what is lacking in this production.
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SPOILER ALERT ABOUT THE ENDING
salan, in my mind, one way that the family and friends carrying out the death sentence of Ratchett differs from the vigilante justice of the crowd stoning the woman is that I think that Ratchett had been legally indicted for murder but let off on a technicality (something like that). The 12 people believed they were carrying out a just sentence. It was discussed and planned among them. The stoning in the beginning of the PBS adaptation looked like a frenzied mob.
Frybabe, that information about stoning is hard to read. It's very upsetting. I remember vividly reading THE LOTTERY by Shirley Jackson in school.
Zulema, thanks very much for the detailed comparison of the book and TV adaptation. It does seem that some of the symbolism (eg, pulling out the rosary) was "in-your-face" and, as you say, not in keeping with the tone of the book. Also not in keeping with the tone of former PBS Poirot mysteries. I hope that the two new ones in the coming weeks won't disappoint us.
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Well, my 2 am taping was not totally successful, so will try for the last option which is tomorrow night. Re: the stoning scene -- perhaps just to emphasize moral issues and different methods of justice? I thought the last scene was interesting, with everyone out in the snow, which was not the way I pictured it from the book. But it lets PBS add its own bit of creativity. This film offered a very severe Poirot. Now I want to see the Albert Finney film again.
Wallendar series: Yes, please put me on the list for the Henning Mankell books to accompany the upcoming PBS fall series.
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OK, Pedln, you are #1 on the list for free set of the new Mankell books. Those other Wallendar books were really good - and the PBS presentations stayed close enough to Henning Mankell's characters.
SPOILER ALERT ABOUT THE ENDING
I thought that too -that the stoning scene was there to emphasize that different cultures had different ways of administering justice, and though Poirot found them disturbing, he had no business interfering. So, isn't that what has happened at the end when the passengers are at last taken from the train in Jugo-Slavia - notorious for its justice system - Poirot has left it for the justice of the region to prevail. He isn't happy to do this - but he has turned over the tangible evidence - the button, the pipe cleaner, etc that he has gathered, and "prays" (on his beads?) that they will reach the conclusion there is not enough evidence to convict any of the passengers - and that someone else would have been able to get on the train, commit the murder and jump off.
Poirot has avoided giving the police the evidence that ALL OF THE PASSENGERS were guilty...because, as Marcie says, "the 12 people believed they were carrying out a just sentence." Poirot has avoided the issue - just as he has avoided the stoning of the woman at the start. Let Justice take its course. He is not the judge.
Ask me tomorrow, and I'll probably come to a different interpretation. I'm eager to hear what you all thought!
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Joan,
You mean there will be Mankell books given away for the price of shipping? Put me down too. I'll send a check this time. Unfortunately the best Mankell TV adaptations are the Swedish ones with English subtitles. I saw some of them at Scandinavia House in NYC a couple of years ago, and also some Karin Fossum films (Norwegian). The Swedish Mankell films were also available quite a few years ago on a PBS channel in Virginia, but they never came to the NY area at all.
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Put me down for the Mankell books as well. I wish I had seen the Swedish Mankell films.
I understand the Swedish film of the first Larson book (The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo") is very good, but very violent. The rape scene(s) are quite explicit, I understand. I haven't seen it -- haven't decided if I want to or not.
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JoanP, I too would like to be on the list for a set of Mankell books when you get them in September: Faceless Killers, The Man Who Smiled, and The Fifth Woman. Thank you and thanks for including the alert about them in the latest Book Bytes email news.
Zulema, I too would have liked to see the original Swedish Wallander but I do enjoy Kenneth Branagh in the part. There are two Branagh interviews at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4atF2-njnQ (you can select the second one after you view the first) in which he describes his impressions of the character of Wallander and what some of the directors are bringing to the new series.
If anyone here does not receive Book Bytes (the SeniorLearn newsletter that is emailed twice a month) and you want to be on the mailing list, please post here or email me. Thanks. marciei@aol.com
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Pedln, I did think that the scene with everyone in the snow was interesting. I too plan to watch the Albert Finney version of Murder on the Orient Express.
JoanP, I like the fact that we viewers have varied interpretations of the ending and I agree with your thought that we sometimes change our own views of what happened.
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October 24, 2010 at 9pm
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November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
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Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
I'm excited about seeing three more Wallanders. I've already read two, only The Man Who Smiled is left (oh, and I still must read Firewall). Super news, while cruising Amazon I noticed that one more Wallander will be out at the end of March 2011. He had only planned to do eight books. The Pyramid(2009) is kind of a prequel being five stories about Wallander
s first cases and now this new one. Hurray!
Zulema, I noticed that Amazon also has in their listing the Swedish versions on DVD. However, they are marked not available with a notation that they can't be played on US and Canadian DVD readers. Perhaps they are in the process of converting to our formatting? A speculative hope.
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Regrettably, this new updated adaptation of Agatha Christie's novel changes the tone of the story, introduces religious elements that are not in the book, and has Poirot shout(!) - which is completely out of character and a significant departure from the original text.
But also taken by itself, the movie disappoints, IMHO. None of the characters is as strong and persuasive as those in the book, or in at least one prior movie (the one with Bacall and Bergman). Where heightened suspense could be expected, the end just hangs -- simply because there's not enough time Poirot to explain the two different solutions he's reached, and his favoring the first one (which would be given to the Yugoslavian police).
I found myself unhappy with the casting :
the Princess Dragomiroff should have a Russian accent;
M. Bouc, the director of the Compagnie Internationale des Wagons Lits, who entrusts Poirot with the case, is an old friend of Poirot's, and thus closer to Poirot's age than the actor who portrays M. Bouc;
the look of the actor who portrays Hector McQueen is too "modern" for the era.
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Traude, we appreciate your comments. It seems that most of us are in agreement with you about this episode.
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I am thoroughly enjoying reading the comments on Poirot and the "Murder On The Orient Express" episode. Many have pointed out things that I did not see when I watched it. However, I did tape it and look forward to seeing what I missed the first time. Also, put me on your list for the Wallender books. That is a great series and Kenneth Branaugh is superb in the role.
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I just finished watching "Murder on the Orient Express" on my computer. Poirot shouting when he usually is polite to everyone and then having him portrayed this way, just doesn't jibe. It almost seemed like overacting.
I agree, the introduction of the religious theme seemed unnecessary.
The book is enjoyable escapism.
I do hope tonight's PBS offering of Poirot is better.
Evelyn
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dean and evelyn, it's good to see you here among PBS Mystery fans. We're all hoping for an enjoyable new Poirot tonight!
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Dean, you are on the growing list! You're right! This is a popular series! I'll try to find out tomorrow just how many sets PBS can send us.
I'll need your name and address at jonkie@verizon.net. Thanks! Your screen name sounds familiar, but my address list goes to your real name...
I'm looking forward to this evening as well.
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Well, I have just seen "The Third Girl." I am glad to say I liked it very much, both the photography and the acting and especially Poirot, who is the Poirot I have loved in the old episodes. He does raise his voice once, but I think he does it for effect, and otherwise he is the gentlemanly little detective we were accustomed to see and hear, with his little smile and his fussy habits.
And I would like to ask a technical question of Marcie and Joan. After the last posting here, when I wish to post, I usually click on "next" to see if there is another page, and there does seem to be another page. It showed I was on (4) and there was a (5) after it, but when I clicked on the (5) I got a page from April, and the same happened when I clicked on "next."
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Sorry to be a pest. I clicked on GO UP and it got me here. And I shouldn't have asked for the Wallander books, because I have read them all, and have The Fifth Woman here. I cannot imagine how they would compress that into one episode.
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Zulema, I haven't seen the Third Girl yet but now am looking forward to it more than ever since you say that our "old" Poirot that we are used to, is back! Thanks very much.
To get from page to page in a discussion, just click the numbers, not the NEXT button or Arrrow on your browser. If you clicked your browser button, it may be what got you to the beginning page of the discussion. GO UP should take you to the first post on the page you are on.
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I am pleased to say that "The Third Girl" was one I haven't seen before, and really don't remember reading it, either. What fun that was. And yes, I was also pleased to see Monsieur
Poirot's mustaches once more perking upwards. Ariadne Oliver was another pleasure. I
thought the ending was a bit contrived. I won't say more in case some have not yet seen the
film.
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Babi. I too thought the Third Girl was very entertaining. The acting was great and Poirot was in good form. I really liked his having a sort of side-kick, or at least someone to talk to about the case, in Ariadne Oliver. There was humor in their exchanges. I miss the interchange he used to have with Hastings and Miss Lemon.
Poirot sure did tie everything up in the end. He explained every detail!
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I miss the interchange he used to have with Hastings and Miss Lemon.
I do too, Marcie. I ran across an article that explained where Hastings went, but I don't remember seeing what happened to Ms. Lemon.
The Third Girl was indeed entertaining and much more like the old Poirot. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Frybabe - where did Hastings go? - I really enjoyed "Third Girl" too - thought it was great fun. I have to wonder how true to Christie's book it was - the ending, I mean. I especially enjoyed Ariadne Oliver, who I gather is Agatha Christie inserting herself into her own story! Loved it. Where was she in the "Orient Express?" She surely would have inserted some of the humor most of us found missing in that one.
I did see the star-studded Albert Finney film of Orient Express- Lauren Bacall, Ingrid Bergman, Jacqueline Bisset, Tony Perkins, John Gielgud, Michael York, Vanessa Redgrave - whommmmm have I forgotten? It was more a comedy, wasn't it? A musical comedy at that. But the ending - was it true to Christie? Didn't the author leave more of a question at the end as to what Poirot would tell the Jugo-Slav police? This one made it clear that he let them all off the hook, didn't it?
I really appreciate the fact that PBS is making these books available to us. Brave of them , don't you think?
Zulema, are you saying that you already read the copies they are making available to us? If that's a YES, I'll take your name off the list. Wow! A real Mankell fan! It will be interesting to hear what you think of the PBS productions in October. Not sure what you mean about compressing them all into one episode. There will be three, as I understand it.
To clarify - Last season, PBS made these titles available to us - Sidetracked, Firewall and One Step Behind
This season they are making the following available - Faceless Killers, The Man Who Smiled, and The Fifth Woman.
These are not new stories - Faceless Killers was the very first of the Wallendar stories, written in 1991 and translated into English in 1997. I'm really interested in reading that one!
Let me know if anyone else here is interested in receiving a free set of the above mentioned titles.
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Frybabe, what happened to Hastings?
JoanP, thanks for reminding me I want to watch the Albert Finney version of Murder on the Orient Express. I checked and I'm third in line for the DVD at my public library.
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JoanP: I forget if I already told you. I would like the Wallender books.
In the Agatha Christie books, Hasting gets maried and moves to South America to run a plantation. From then on, he pops up in some of the books (on a visit), but not most. Miss Lemon is also in only some of the books. I don't remember if we know what happens to her.
Ariadne Oliver is only in a few books. The portrayal on TV is much too elegant for the character in the book, who is more abentminded and careless about appearances. Whenever she gets out of a car, apples fall out too and roll all over the place. And she has pencils stuck in her hair.
But if you forget what Christie's character was like, the TV one is quite enjoyable.
I thought "The Third Girl" was much better done than "Orient Express". The characters were developed, unlike OE. And Poirot was better, as everyone said.
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Thanks for the info on those characters, JoanK. LOL re Ariadne and the apples! I do recall that now from one of the books I've read.
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JOAN P., I just tried to request a set of Wallendar's books. However, the address you gave us, didn't work for me. I would appreciate a set. Here is my info:
Sheila Clinton-Reed
5824 Keyntel St.
Citrus Heights, CA.
95621
Thank you for your service to us!
Sheila
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Sheila - dunno what happened with that link - it did work for quite a few people. However, this is just as good - and you are on the list for the Wallendar series. JoanK, you are on the top of the list! I hope you and PatH have a grand time in CA!
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I had read the Murder on the Orient Express long ago and have been reading it again now; I saw one of the movies. Tonight I finished watching the PBS program on line. I agree, it was a departure from the usual Poirot.
He seemed angry, first about the outcome of his investigation with the military, then the stoning of the woman, and then this murder. He was alone, no Hastings, no familiar policemen, not even Miss Lemon. He was more or less forced onto the train by a friend, then obligated to investigate the crime. He had to share a room the first night - certainly not what he was used to. His sleep was disturbed the night of the murder. Then the train stopped, it got colder and the power went out. All in all, he certainly wasn't in his comfort zone, was he?
I look forward to watching the next one - unfortunately I end up watching them on line rather than on TV, so I'm running behind.
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I'm glad you are able to watch the programs, nlhome. Don't be concerned about running behind.
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Saw "The Third Girl" on Sunday night. I must say I enjoyed it more than "Murder On The Orient Express." Some characters from the book were omitted and the parts of some characters was changed, but I suppose that is to be expected when making a movie of a book. Suchet's portrayal of Poirot was more in character. Yes, even his mustaches were lifted upward. Now on to "Appointment With Death."
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dean69, I'm glad you enjoyed the episode about the THIRD GIRL. I haven't read the mystery but it does seem that time constraints usually require characters to be dropped, merged or changed for the tv version.
It struck me funny that Norma's main objection to Poirot when she first sees him is that he's "too old." I don't recall if there are other comments about aging in other Christie mysteries.
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Joan, I didn't mean compressing all three books my Mankell. I can be too terse to be understood, sorry. Specifically, I meant The Fifth Woman. It is such a hefty book and needs leisurely detective work, but that's the book, of course. Yes, I have been a fan of Mankell for a long time, and read the Wallanders in order. Faceless Killers is a very good one to start with, very straight sleuthing and the small town atmosphere great. I have read a few non-Wallanders, the one I liked best is The Return of the Dancing Master. It is a profoundly superb book. I remember being asked by someone if I had read it, right after I had, and my answer was opening my mouth and making an "Ahhh" sound. Descriptive, one might say.
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Zulema, I'm glad that we have such a Mankell fan in this discussion. I look forward to your thoughts when we talk about the three books and episodes in October.
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I enjoyed "The Third Girl". Having Agatha Christie and Poirot back was wonderful. In the PBS version of Murder on the Orient Express I felt that both Christie and Poirot were impostors and not very successful ones at that.
Mostly I want to thank those of you who mentioned Henning Mankell. I picked up a wonderful new book by him. Actually the first Mankell I have read,"Italian Shoes" published in 2009. It is not a real mystery but a wonderful portrayal of a man , a former surgeon, living alone on a tiny island in the Swedish Archipelego and what happens as he is visited by lost remnants of his past. I now want to read more of this author.
For those of you who haven't seen the 1970 ,Albert Finney, Murder on the Orient Express, it is a delight with Lauren Bacall, Ingrid Bergman, Anthony Perkins,and other fantastic actors playing the various roles. Two full hours of good old mystery.
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Free seminar titled "Agatha Christie and Archaeology". There are four sessions in this seminar:
http://www.fathom.com/directory/categories/1_archaeology.html
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Thanks, Frybabe, for posting that interesting course with background info on Agatha Christie's travels that relates them to archaeology sites. There is an archaeologist in the episode that will be broadcast next Sunday.
JudeS, I'm still waiting in the "hold" line for a copy of the Albert Finney DVD. I hope to get it soon.
I've only read some of the Wallander series by Mankell. Thanks for mentioning "Italian Shoes." It sounds intriguing.
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I also enjoyed "The Third Girl" much more than "...the Orient Express". Mrs. Oliver was portrayed much like she was in several of the Poirot Christie books I've read.
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FlaJean, it looks like Zoe Wanamaker, who played Mrs. Oliver, has been in several filmings of Agatha Christie: Poirot Cards on the Table (2005), Mrs McGinty's Dead (2008), Third Girl (20080 and Hallowe'en Party (2010) (TV)
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I agree with all of you, "The Third Girl" portrayed Poirot as we know and like him. Zoe Wanamaker was very good in the role of Mrs. Oliver. I have seen her in other Poirot stories as Mrs. Oliver and never knew her name.
Evelyn
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After being disappointed by the PBS version of "Orient Express", we borrowed the Finney film from the library and were very happy with that! Glad to have been reminded of a good movie from the past.
I would like to be on the list for the new Wallander books - do you still have my address?
I remember what a wonderful job they did previously with the TV versions of the books - not easy to do, but it worked.
Thanks, Zulema, for the suggestion of "Return of the Dancing Master" - it's now on my list which has become pretty daunting in length!
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The FinneyOrient Express was most enjoyable - a romp,agree. JoanR, yes, will put you on the list for the Wallandar books - will you please email me your address - my file system is not the greatest. ;D
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Marcie, I missed those Poirot films you mentioned that included Mrs. Oliver. I wonder if they are on DVDs. I'll have to check that out.
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FlaJean, I don't know that I've seen those either.
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I had time to watch The Third Girl today, and I enjoyed it. Poirot was more comfortable in this story - less angry throughout, although he did get angry toward the end. He liked some of the people in this case; in the Orient Express story, I don't think he liked anyone involved.
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nlhome, that's a good point. He might have sensed (though not deduced yet) that they were all putting on an act so he didn't see their real personalities.
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Put me on the list for the 3 Wallender books. I should be on your mailing list.
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I too would like the Wallender books if there are any left.Hope I'm still on your mailing list.
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I'm flattered that you both think I have such an efficient file system - but yes, I will check to see if I have past addresses - oh, and yes, I still have some sets of the Wallander books left. PBS has been quite generous with us.
Judy, Joan, I found your addresses. Tomereader, you're in Dallas, right? Need to make sure I have the right name for you. JoanK, your new address is on Yukon, or is that an old one? If old, please email me new one again? Sorry.
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October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims.
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October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire.
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The Great Game (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/greatgame.html)
November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
List of series and episodes already discussed (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1871.0).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
I was able to watch this last Poirot episode tonight. I enjoyed it - read the book, but didn't really remember it that well. I read them all so long ago.
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I enjoyed watching Appointment with Death, but didn't he do this one years ago? Oh, no it was Peter Ustinov that did one. I answered my own question. I forgot how it ended.
I like Tim Curry and John Hannah, so was happy to see them in this production. Nanny Brown was played by Angela, daughter of Donald Pleasence. I thought she did a wonderful job.
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I saw "Appointment With Death" last night and found it most enjoyable. Typical Poirot, of course. I had to smile at the scene showing him sleeping. Someone had the great idea of
displaing him rigidly neat and orderly even in sleep.
I also was able to pat myself on the back for spotting one give-away early on, but I'll save that
until everyone has seen the film. Wouldn't want to spoil the mystery.
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I also saw it last night. The background was magnificent. It was well done, except I had trouble telling the characters apart. It wasn't until the end, when Poirot ran over each one that I knew who everyone was.
I'll bet I know which give-away you spotted.
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Hey there,
I would like the FREE three Kurt Wallendar books. Should I be emailing you my snail mail address?
I didn't like this Poirot as much as Orient Express but it was certainly beautiful to look at, wasn't it??
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I've got your snall addy, Annie - and your name on an envelope -
Anyone else?
Haven't seen the latest episode, so won't stick around while you talk about it...
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JoanP: stupid me. Of course my address has just changed. I'll send you a message with the new one.
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I saw the episode too and enjoyed it. It seemed to have more suspects who actually had done "bad" unrelated things than I recall from other Poirot episodes. I also wonder if the terrible deeds of the victim were in the original story. That was awful. I had a little trouble understanding the accent of the male doctor but I love him as an actor.
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I quite like John Hannah, too, Marcie. I've only seen him in a three other movies and maybe a few TV shows. Has anyone seen Sliding Doors with Gwyneth Paltrow? A bit quirky, but interesting.
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JoanK, I had the same problem, keeping the characters straight. But I've taped it, and may go back over a few parts.
All in all, I enjoyed it, and yes, Babi, he (HP) was orderly in his sleep, wasn't he.
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I did have trouble understanding what some of the characters were saying.
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oh, yes, Babi and Pedln, the shot of Poirot trying to sleep with two pillows to cover his ears was quite funny. Quite an imaginative visual way to show his fastidiousness.
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MARCIE, I thought the two pillows were to keep his head straight. You
know how Poirot hated to see anything out of alignment! ;)
I suspected, early on, that the nun was not a nun. Remember her standing on that embankment at the dig site? She was running her beads through her hands so fast she could not possibly have been saying her prayers. It was an act.
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LOL, Babi, it could be that the pillows were aligning Poirot's head :-)
I too noticed the fast rosary beads. Since it was a short scene, I was wondering to myself if they had her move the beads so quickly in order to let the audience see that it was a rosary.
I figured out the issue with the 'name' of the one child; but I didn't figure out who it was.
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One of my complaints (few) about the Poirot mysteries is that the villains always seem to come out of left field, so to speak. Minor characters that seem to have little to do with the story at all; not even suspects, really. I've always felt that was not quite fair. Most annoying!
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I already requested the three Henning Mankell books for the PBS series using the jonkie@verizon.net email address. If I really do need to request through this site, please excuse the previous order and send to:
Joan Ray
1728 Cortez Avenue
Stockton, CA 95209-2520
Thanks. I look forward to our exchange.
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Welcome, JoanRay. I'm glad you've joined us.
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WELCOME WELCOME Joan Ray.
If you're a mystery fan, come on over to the Mystery Corner, and let us know what you're reading:http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=807.1080 (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=807.1080)
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I love this! The Joans are winning...over the Anns and the Pats. Never in my life have I been in such elite company!
Joan Ray knows I'm not ignoring her - I responded to her email that a set of the Wallander books are reserved for her. Still some sets left...but not for long.
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Tonight, my PBS station isn't showing CAT AMONG THE PIGEONS (from last year). They are having a pledge drive and will be showing Hallelujah Broadway. I love Broadway music. Here is some info about the program:
http://www.playbill.com/news/article/141297-Hallelujah-Broadway-Featuring-Linda-Eder-Will-Be-PBS-Special-DVD-CD-Also-Planned
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I suspect my station is in pledge mode again, too, Marcie. I don't remember what they had on, but it wasn't Poirot.
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We were in pledge mode too - but they highlighted Masterpiece Mystery by showing Agatha Christie's "The Blue Geranium." I was quite content as I had missed that one. I thought it was excellent, Agatha at her best. Though I never read the book, I sensed that the production stayed true to the book...Did any one else see this one?
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I realized immediately that last night's film was not a new one; I'd seen it before. I watched it anyway, as I particularly enjoyed some of
the characters. The sports director was such a horrible woman, it was
only a matter of time before someone killed her. The two girls, Julia
and Jennifer, were a special treat.
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JoanP and Babi, I'm glad that you two were able to enjoy an Agatha Christie last night. I plan on watching the Cat Among the Pigeons episode online at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/poirot/watch.html
I watched a DVD of the 1974 Murder on the Orient Express with Albert Finney and 12 other stars. I enjoyed it. There was also a "making of the film" documentary included on the DVD that was very interesting. Albert Finney was in his late 30s and had to be made up to look in his 50s. He was unrecognizable. Even some of the actors said that they only saw him in his make up, even on breaks,--it took so long to put on and get off--and they didn't relate to him as Albert Finney at all.
The film was nominated for six Academy Awards and one of the actors won an Oscar.
* Academy Award: Best Supporting Actress, Ingrid Bergman
* Academy Award Nomination: Best Actor in a Leading Role, Albert Finney
* Academy Award Nomination: Best Cinematography, Geoffrey Unsworth
* Academy Award Nomination: Best Costume Design, Tony Walton
* Academy Award Nomination: Best Music, Original Dramatic Score, Richard Rodney Bennett
* Academy Award Nomination: Best Writing, Screenplay Adapted from Other Material, Paul Dehn
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Starting next Sunday, for three weeks, many PBS stations will be showing three encore presentations of episodes from the last season of Inspector Lewis. Then starting on August 29, there will be five new episodes! I can't wait to see more of the interaction between Inspector Lewis and Detective Sergeant Hathaway.
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My station was doing the broadway show, too. I wonder if they're planning to do "Cat"? I'll have to check.
I had no idea Ingrid Bergmann won an academy award for that? Did she play the Swedish nursemaid? Or the Russian princess?
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JoanK, Ingrid Bergman was offered the role of the Russian princess but she was adamant that she wanted to play the Swedish nursemaid. I guess she knew what she was doing!
I wasn't very interested in that Broadway show so I watched the Murder on the Orient Express DVD instead :-)
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Although my station didn't run Poirot on Sunday, I did discover that they put up Cat Among the Pigeons on Comcast's On Demand. Sooooooo, I watched it last night.
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Oh, good thinking, Frybabe. I'll have to check my On Demand.
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I didn't find Cat Among the Pigeons on On Demand TV so I'll watch it online before August 15.
This Sunday, it doesn't look like my local PBS station is showing at least the first Inspector Lewis episode from last year. I can watch that online too. It will be available starting on Monday.
I'm pretty sure my PBS will show this year's new Inspector Lewis episodes at the end of this month and through September.
UPCOMING NEW MASTERPIECE PROGRAMShttp://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm
Lewis and Hathaway will be solving five new cases from August 29 to September 26. Those should be good.
October 3-17, Kenneth Branagh will return to his Emmy and Golden Globe nominated role as the soul searching Swedish cop in Wallander.
After that, on October 24, Masterpiece is going to launch a contemporary version of Sherlock Holmes. Read more at http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/02/23/pbs-launching-new-sherlock-holmes. I'm not sure how I'll like a more contemporary version. I loved the Jeremy Brett series. But I do think that the actor cast as the new Sherlock Holmes, could do well in the part. Benedict Cumberbatch was the lead in the 2008 Masterpiece Contemporary episode, "The Last Enemy." http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/lastenemy/index.html. Sometimes previews don't give a true sense of the program but there is a short preview of the new Holmes at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/index.html.
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October 3-17, Kenneth Branagh will return to his Emmy and Golden Globe nominated role as the soul searching Swedish cop in Wallander.
A quick note that we still have a few sets of the Wallander books - they should arrive for mailing in September. I'd be sorry that I changed the order to find that some of you wanted the books, but didn't get around to requesting them...
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I thought that the last set of Wallander books that we received were great (and, last time, only $4.95 postage for all three new paperbacks). I really enjoy Mankell's writing and his character, Wallander. I thought that the books were superior to the PBS episodes. I would encourage everyone to read the books.
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MARCIE, I have purposely avoided the Wallnder books since so many people have commented on how violent and dark they are. I only attempted to watch one of the films,
and turned it off because I wasn't enjoying it at all. Maybe I just don't appreciate the cold Scandinavian milieu. I had the same reaction to another Norse author.
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hmmm, Babi, I don't recall there being descriptions of violence in the books that made me cringe. If there was, I can't remember it. Maybe others can help here. Wallander is not an "upbeat" person and, in the background, there are descriptions of a society in decline. But Wallander does care about the people in each case, and works to follow up on each detail until he solves the crime. He reminds me of a working class Inspector Morse.
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I think some of the depictions of violence were a bit nasty. Wallander is certainly a "broody" type of person. He worries greatly about the changes, as he sees them - decline, in civilized Swedish society. I suspect it reflects some of Mankell's concerns.
I was just up on his website. There are a bunch of changes and some new stuff. You all might want to take a look. I think I am going to half to book mark it since I seem to visit it quite frequently. http://www.henningmankell.com/
BTW, if I haven't mentioned it, I now have The return of the Dancing Master in my TBR pile. At some point I want to read Depths also. Has anyone read any of his African based novels?
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Thanks for augmenting my memory, Frybabe.
I appreciate the link to his site. I haven't been there for a while. It does look interesting.
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Marcie, Mankell's site seems to change out rather frequently.
I see I substituted a word for have (half? oh my).
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I do that more often than I like to admit in speaking, FRYBABE. It's
easier to catch when I do it while posting, tho. I can correct a post;
I can't take back a spoken word. :-X
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We have also had a fund raiser going in our area, so I have missed seeing the last 2 weeks of Masterpiece Theatre. They substitute some verrry old shows of music they think all of the seniors will enjoy. Oh well...
I'm looking forward to Sunday night and some more Masterpiece Theatre. Even if it's a rerun.
The new Inspector Lewis sounds good.
I didn't think the Wallander books were particularly blood thirsty. They are dark because the man has been through some dark times and really sees life through a dark glass. He seems to brighten up around his daughter. But everyone has their own opinion when it comes to reading. That's what I like about this site, we can actually talk about books and our opinion of them.
Evelyn
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Evelyn, what puzzles me is that the next Wallander series includes the first book Mankell wrote on Wallander - Faceless Killers. I'm not complaining, I'm happy we'll learn more about the man and what makes him so despondent.
We have four more sets of books if anyone is interested. You might remember that these are high quality paperbacks. And the price is right. ;)
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October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims.
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October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire.
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November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
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Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
I am really looking forward to the Inspector Lewis series. I hope that I will be able to watch these programs...joangrimes
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Me too, Joan. Hopefully, we'll all be able to see the NEW episodes when they start on August 29.
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I would like to receive the new Wallander books.
Tom Marshall
91 Cortelyous Lane
Somerset NJ 08873
Thanks.
Tom (tgmarsh herein)
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You're on the list...just made it, Tom! Look for the books in September...We hope to hear from you once you've read the books - and PBS airs the programs in October.
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I would like to receive the 3 new Wallander books.
Tom Marshall
91 Cortelyous Lane
Somerset NJ 08873
Thanks.
Tom (tgmarsh)
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There is nothing on my local PBS stations except fundraising programs that they've aired a zillion times before. I guess they're really hard up, but I've given my donation for the year.
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I watched "Inspector Lewis" last night and enjoyed it thoroughly. I had never seen it before, although I think it was a rerun. The story seemed convoluted and disjointed, but as I love mysteries, it was just fine. --- I'm glad the fund raiser is over in this area.
This is a little off the subject, but did anyone see Nova which was on before Masterpiece Theatre? It was about Hawaii and the volcanoes, whales and high waves. Beautiful photography!
Evelyn
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Allegory of Love was a repeat, Evelyn. I remember it somewhat. I always enjoy Inspector Lewis.
I missed that Nova on Hawaii. It sounds like it must have been beautiful!
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Please consider me for the three Wallender giveaway books. Thank you.
Carol Neman
4671 Grisham Ave
Long Beach, CA 90805
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You've got it, Carol! The last set! The books will be set out in September, as soon as we receive them from PBS. Hopefully you will come back here in October and tell us what you think - of the PBS adaptation - and Mankell's books too!
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Well I'm looking forward to the new Inspector Lewis shows and the Wallendars. I just hope Charter Cable (the only cable around) is up to the task because they've been scrambling the captions for the past two months on our one and only PBS channel. It's like Russian roulette and a pig in the poke. You don't know ahead what you're going to get -- readable captions or a mess.
Can anyone provide a link to where you've watched some of the previous Masterpiece programs online?
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Pedln, I'm so sorry for the caption problems. I sure hope they will straighten them out. I don't necessarily need them for hearing but captions help me not to miss any of the dialog on DVDs. I've not tried the closed captioning on PBS TV programs.
Here is a link to the current Inspector Lewis episodes: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/lewis/watch.html
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thanks for the link, Marcie. Quality of Mercy does have captions with the online show, so I'm assuming the ones coming up also will.
But I'm still mad at Charter >:( The worst cable service in the universe :-[
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I'm glad that at least some of the online broadcasts have captions, pedln!
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This Sunday we'll start FIVE NEW Inspector Lewis episodes in most areas. I hope that everyone will be able to see them. You can preview them with the links in the heading. They look good!
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Captioning on TV is so varied in quality -- it must drive you bananas. There's one captioner of adds on TV here where the captions are complete gibberish -- don't even begin to make words. It shows a level of disrespect that angers me. Fortunate for me that I don't need them. I wouldn't anyway-- I never listen to the adds. They never advertise anything I'm in the least interested in buying!
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Looking forward to the Inspector Lewis series. I've been so disappointed with the constant fundraising Sunday night reruns on PBS. I think I had previously seen almost all of them.
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Don't forget to check for the new Inspector Lewis on your PBS station on Sunday evening!!
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Looking forward to new Inspector Lewis programs...JoanGrimes
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Practically clapping my hands at the arrival of the new Inspector Lewis
films. Sunday tends to be so boring if one isn't a sports fan. :P
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Well I am a sports fan and Saturday is the day that I am busy with my sports interests,,,,JoanGrimes
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Sob! I couldn't watch last night. But they usually rebroadcast at least once during the week.
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I was able to see the episode "on demand" today on my cable station. It's also available online through September 12 at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/lewis/watch.html
I enjoyed the episode. Lewis had a line something like "I have to think like Morris." Hathaway replies, "Does that mean we're going to the pub?" I really like those two guys.
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Me, too, MARCIE. Matching up this pair is really what makes this series
'click'. The stories have been good, too, so kudos to the writers as well.
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I really enjoyed the new Lewis mystery....Acting was superb and the story was very good.JoanGrimes
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That was a good story. I'd never quite pictured old rockers in that light. Excellent acting. Next week is about Astronomy, a favorite subject here.
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oh, astronomy. That should be good. And I really like Nathaniel Parker from the Inspector Lynley series.
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I am really looking forward to the the next Inspector Lewis mystery... as many of you know I am in rehab facility for therapy on my injured leg...the computer and the books that I read on my kindle are my only entertainment....I have been here since June 23,2010.
Joan Grimes
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JoanG, I hadn't realized that you have been in the rehab facility for that long. I hope that you'll be able to go home soon. Do you watch Inspector Lewis on your computer?
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No marcie, I have a tv in my room...I watch Inspector Lewis on the tv here in my room...Joan GRimes
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Joan, I'm glad that you have TV and Internet access. It's sure been a long time!
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Yes Marcie it has been a very long time...Joan Grimes
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Laurence Fox looks different. After staring at him for a while I decided it was his hair. Very good show last night.
I haven't seen the Inspector Lynley series, and missed the credits. Which one is Nathaniel Parker?
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I am so irritated! The series wasn't on my local station last night; they
had something else instead. I do wish they wouldn't do that! >:(
I do hope Lewis is back next Sunday; I need to check on that.
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Which one is Nathaniel Parker?
He was the one who got shot during the reenactment scene at the very beginning.
I have watched only the first part, but have taped it, so will finish tonight.
Frybabe, I agree about Fox -- it's his hair. And it makes his face look thinner, older. I was wondering if he'd been ill.
Babi, that is irritating. Did you check your PBS station schedule? The one I use frequently shows Masterpiece again at 2 am in the morning for a few days after the Sunday performance. Guess that's only helpful if you can tape it.
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I don't care for the Inspector Lewis series nearly as much as Inspector Morris (remember how he loved opera?). This is a funny way to put it but---Inspector Lewis' character seems flat in comparison. However, last night's episode started filling it out some. I'm sure as the series progresses we'll understand more about him as a person.
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I can tape it if I can find it, PEDLN. Thanks for the tip. I'll see if
I can find it in the 2a.m. slot.
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I watched the episode "on demand" on my cable tv. It sure had a complicated plot. The actors were all very good. Again, I enjoyed the interplay between Lewis and Hathaway. There wasn't as much this time since the emphasis seemed to be on the way that both of them are very private people. I liked the last scene when Lewis says that between the two of them, they make one good policeman (with him being the brains) :-)
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I was expecting the Astronomy story; seems it may be the next one. The hair, yes, quite a change. The wife was played by the actress who was in Primeval who escaped into the alternate world where the monsters live. http://www.bbcamerica.com/shows/primeval/characters-helen-cutter.jsp
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I liked this last episode more than the others before it. I think because more importance was given to the part of Hathaway. Mr. Fox appears to be a good actor if given the chance but before this he just seemed to be a shadow character.
JoanG. I am so sorry that I didn't know that you had a serious injury and have been in a rehab facility for such a long time. I wish you well and that you are improving and can be back home again among familiar surroundings very soon.
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October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims.
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The Blind Banker (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/blindbanker.html)
October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire.
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The Great Game (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/greatgame.html)
November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
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Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
Phyll, thank you so much....it has been a long summer here in this rehab facility but may be coming down to the end and maybe I will be going home around the 17th of this month...I am getting nervous about that now. :-[ Guess I just can't be pleased :-\
Joan Grimes
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Yes, I forgot to mention Hathaway's hair. I like it. A bit longer and curly. It was quite short before.
I've never heard of Primeval, mrssherlock. I'm glad you mentioned it. It looks like a show I'd like. Luckily, my public library has the DVD of Seasons 1 and 2. You're right that the one about astronomy is coming this Sunday.
Phyll, I agree with you about the Hathaway character and actor. I want to continue to see more of both Hathaway and Lewis, as well as interesting cases.
JoanG, that's great news that you're going home soon. I can understand that you're nervous after being in rehab so long.
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Joan, that is understandable that you would be nervous about going home after all this time. Will you have someone there to help you for awhile?
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As usual, I had trouble understanding what the characters were saying, and lost track of what was going on. But it was an interesting premise.
SPOILER
Again same pattern I saw last season, where any woman of interest turns out to be bad. It takes all the suspense out of the story and annoys the heck out of me. GRRR. That's Colin Dexter at work. His books are like that. The actor who played Morse wouldn't put up with it. Said he had daughters, and they'd never speak to him again if he did.
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There wasn't as much this time since the emphasis seemed to be on the way that both of them are very private people. I liked the last scene when Lewis says that between the two of them, they make one good policeman (with him being the brains) :-)
Marcie, I was quite interested in that bit. There was always that tension between them because neither one opened up their thoughts or feelings very often. The boss has been taking them both to task for it of late. I remember Lewis said he didn't want to have to train another new partner. So maybe he took her words to heart and is trying to open up a little more. It looks like they are finally beginning to become more comfortable with each other.
Again same pattern I saw last season, where any woman of interest turns out to be bad.
Yes Joan, once again the women weren't put in a very good light were they. At least neither one was the murderer this time. Last week's episode had a real diabolical twist in that department.
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Definitely the men turned out to be worse than the women in this episode. The daughter who forged the letters seems to have been trying to protect her father and her family's reputation and finances. She originally tried to warn Hathaway away from her and her family. I guess it's best for the show that Lewis and Hathaway don't form permanent relationships with the women in the various episodes, though it looks like there could be something forming between Lewis and the woman coroner.
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...it looks like there could be something forming between Lewis and the woman coroner.
Marcie, I hadn't noticed. I will be on the look out for clues next time.
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Frybabe, maybe I'm reading into it. Let's both watch for it in future episodes.
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My local PBS station has no mystery theatre episodes scheduled for at
least the next two weeks. Drat!
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Drat is right, Babi! :-(
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I just love the English crime writers. We get all these TV movies here. I like Lewis and Co better than Poirot. I do watch Poirot if there are no other mysteries available.
Carolyn
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Hi, Carolyn. It's good to see you here. I'm glad that you get these programs in New Zealand.
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I've read some Poirot short stories and found the them rather simple and flat. The productions bring much more dimension to the places and characters. This impression might not hold true to the full novels which I don't recall ever reading.
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Local PBS had an old Lewis on last night -- the one with the Shakespeare company. I enjoyed it even more the second time.
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Frybabe, I've seen more Agatha Christie and similar mysteries on TV than I've read in books.
JoanK, it's good to know that these programs hold up on second viewing. I seem to be able to see them several times, if spaced at least a year apart, and not remember who did it. That makes it even more fun to watch again ;)
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Now I am older I can read or watch books or movies and then a year or two on read them or watch them again and I don't remember all of the plot! I think in one way its a blessing that my memory about fiction is not as sharp. Now non fiction I can remember!
Carolyn
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Carolyn, I have the same experience as you with many books and movies.
I'm looking forward to watching DARK MATTER tomorrow. Since it's new this season, I know I'll be watching it for the first time! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/lewis/darkmatter.html
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CAROLYN: it's especially fun to reread mysteries. You don't remember "who-done-it" but halfway through you brilliantly figure it out. ;)
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Unfortunately, my local PBS station is once again fund raising and I won't be able to see tonight's Masterpiece Mystery. Drat! I wonder if this constant fund raising that they go through doesn't result in turning viewer's away more than it does in raising money?
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My local PBS program (KCET) is in so much money trouble, they are talking about quitting PBS. They have such good programming, but it seems that's because they order more programs than they can pay for.
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That's not good news, Phyll and JoanK. I am fortunate. I'm about to watch this episode!
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What did you all think of Dark Matter? I was confused by all of the subplots. Everyone seemed to be having an affair with everyone else!
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Well, Lewis and Hathaway certainly did had to sort through a lot of false leads and blind alleys to get to the truth. I was surprised at who finally emerged as the killer. I was pleased to see (hear) Holst's The Planets featured.
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So was I, and the combination of classical music and astronomy made a very rich program.
But I thought the solution was pretty farfetched.
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Frybabe and JoanK, I agree that the perpetrator was a surprise. And it was nice to hear that music.
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For some reason I enjoyed this episode the most. I think it might be that I am understanding and getting used to the dialects much better.
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Radioman asked over on the S&F Classical discussion group which Holst Planets were featured in the music. I believe the orchestra concentrated on Mars, but I thought I picked up some strains of Jupiter in the background music now and again. Does anyone recall any others or recall differently? I couldn't find any references to the individual Holst pieces.
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I found it easier to understand than the others, too, although there were some things I missed.
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Frybabe, The Internet Movie Database website has the info about the planets featured in the episode. It says that: "During the concert, the orchestra play the movements of Holst's "Planets" in the wrong order. We hear Mars, followed by Jupiter, followed by Venus. The correct order is Mars, Venus, Mercury, Jupiter."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1474296/
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I was surprised to see the Internet Data Base's comment. I haven't
been able to see the recent episodes, but surely they should realize the
'order' of the music would be chosen to fit the scenes. Too bad I won't
be able to hear it. Missing the music and singing voices is, I think, the
thing I hate most about my hearing loss. :P
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"Missing the music and singing voices is, I think, the
thing I hate most about my hearing loss. "
Me, too, Babi. I can put up with not hearing the rest of the world's constant noise but I miss the music. I can hear music but the distortion is so uncomfortable as to be actually painful.
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I'm sorry to hear that, PHYLL. I at least have no pain. The only things
I hear are loud thuds (vibrations) and the sounds in my own head. ;)
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With still good hearing, thanking the powers that be, I enjoyed DARK MATTER so much more than the previous two episodes in Series II, because the speech was clearer. I don't think we are getting more used to the accents, because these are the accents we've been hearing for years, but in Series I, they allowed a lot of background noise to interfere, maybe for atmosphere. Hathaway and Lewis walking on gravel or cobblestones and the crunch being too loud, or music drowning out the dialogue. I usually had to see them twice. In the one on the estate where Hathaway had grown up, it was also the constant discontinuities in the plot and I had to read a full synopsis afterwards to understand it, though the language came through clearly. DARK MATTER seemed a breath of fresh air to me, and there was a lot of very clever dialogue as well as the music by the same composer who did the music for BRIDESHEAD REVISITED. I know viewers who have closed caption on while they watch it and that helps a lot, if you can do that. My set will only do closed caption on mute, so I can't take advantage of it.
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Zulema:" in Series I, they allowed a lot of background noise to interfere, maybe for atmosphere."
I've noticed that, not only in this series, but in many of the British programs. It drives me crazy!
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That's realism for you. In real life, there nearly always is background noise, isn't there? However, introducing thematic or mood music that
drowns out the dialogue is simply bad technique, imo.
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Did anyone watch Your Sudden Death Question? Again, there were a lot of potential suspects. I had wanted more interaction between Lewis and Hathaway and got it this episode but I thought it was somewhat forced. From a completely private, reserved relationship between them, to Hathaway boldly snooping into Lewis's dating life seems out of character. Maybe the holiday weekend really freed both of them.
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I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Best one yet, IMO.
Sally
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I agree this was the best one so far. I enjoyed the interplay between Hathaway and Lewis. It didn't seem forced to me.
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Marcie, Looks like you were right. Lewis and the coroner didn't make it to their opera date, and Lewis insisted it wasn't a date - but... Speaking of opera, when did Lewis start taking an interest in opera? I thought that was Morse's thing.
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That's great that you enjoyed the episode, salan and FlaJean. I looked to see who wrote the screenplay and it was Alan Plater, who wrote the script for several of the Inspector Lewis episodes, including The Quality of Mercy (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/lewis/qualityofmercy.html). Plater died in June at the age of 75.
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A Study in Pink (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/studyinpink.html)
October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims.
COMING
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The Blind Banker (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/blindbanker.html)
October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire.
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The Great Game (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/greatgame.html)
November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
In a gripping match of wits, Sherlock solves crimes at a dizzying pace for a mad bomber who threatens to blow up innocent people.
ALREADY DISCUSSED
List of series and episodes already discussed (http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1871.0).
Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
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Frybabe, yes opera was definitely Morse's love. I too was wondering about Lewis going to the opera. Maybe it was the coroner's idea. I'm looking forward to seeing if other screenwriter's develop that relationship.
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I did not get to watch all of the episode because my youngest daughter was spending the night with me and she want to watch of the Alabama Duke football game...So she told me I needed to go to bed because it was so late...Like a good patient I did what she told me to do...Joan G
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JoanG, it's so nice that your daughter was watching out for you.
The episode is available online if you're able to see it okay: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/lewis/watch.html
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I started my first Wallender book of the three that JoanP mailed out The Fifth Woman. This is a new author for me and I never saw any of the series on TV. I'm enjoying the book and am looking forward to the PBS series. It will be interesting to how faithful the series will be to the books.
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FlaJean, that's great that you are starting to read the Wallander books. October is almost here and I know that many people want to read the book before they watch a TV or film adaptation.
I really liked the set of books we received from the first season. If I remember correctly, the PBS episodes did not replicate the books exactly. They changed quite a bit. Still, it was interesting to both read the books and watch the episodes.
The episodes in October will be shown in the following order:
Faceless Killers
The Man Who Smiled
The Fifth Woman
Since we didn't receive a copy of Faceless Killers, those of you who plan to read the books as well as watch the episodes might want to check your library to see if they have a copy.
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I am happy to say that my local PBS station will be resuming the Lewis mystery series this
Sunday...finally!
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Hooray, Babi!!
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My library does have Faceless Killers so I'll check it out. I didn't realize that Faceless Killers was the first in the TV series. Thanks, Marcie, for listing them.
Although I seem to have started with the last in the TV series list (The Fifth Woman), it was actually published first of the three that we received, according to the list in the book. I am enjoying the book and getting a sense of the character, Wallender. It will be interesting to see how the TV character compares with my ideas.
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I'm glad your books arrived, Flajean. I'm thinking that the differences in publishing dates might be due to the dates the books were translated into English. I'm really looking forward to reading Faceless Killers since it's the first time Mankell wrote of Wallander. I want to find out what event turned him into the "unusual" detective that we've been seeing in later editions.
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Finally did what I should have done earlier --- looked in Fantastic Fiction to see the order of the Wallender mysteries. Here it is:
1. Faceless Killers (1991)
2. The Dogs of Riga (1992)
3. The White Lioness (1993)
4. The Man Who Smiled (2005)
5. Sidetracked (1995)
6. The Fifth Woman (1996)
7. One Step Behind (1997)
8. Firewall (1998)
9. The Pyramid (2008)
10. The Troubled Man (2011)
I assume that the dates are the dates published in English, and the order is the order published in Sweden.
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Here's the link. Notice that Mankell looks exactly how one would imagine Wallender looking. I'll bet branaugh used that in his portrayal.
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/henning-mankell/ (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/henning-mankell/)
I had guessed the right order, by ordering them by the "originally printed in Sweden" date. My daughter says "the third one is the best". That seems to be "The White Lioness". I don't remember getting that one in either set of books.
I've almost finished "The Man Who Smiled". I like it a lot.
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I received the free Wallander set the other day. Many thanks for sending it (what a wonderful group that do that). One thing mentioned earlier somewhere was postage: where and to whom should I send it?
I really enjoyed the first taste of Wallander on TV last series, and I think Branaugh was perfect casting. Can't wait for this new series. However, regardless of how good it turns out to be, it'll not match the books. I don't find them excessively violent, or downbeat, or depressing; realistic as to the human condition, yes, but that's one of the things I like about them.
Anyway, I'm delighted to have found this discussion group. Thank you.
Floyd
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FlaJean, JoanP and JoanK, thanks very much for bringing up the issue with the chronological order of the books and the dates being related to the time of their translation into English. For our purposes, if someone is pressed for time, it might make sense to read the three books that are related to the upcoming episodes in the order the episodes will be shown. Then we'll be able to talk about the episodes and books without concern that we're spoiling the story for someone who plans to read it but hasn't yet.
Fwige, welcome!! I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the last Wallander TV series and the books. I did too. I agree with your assessment of the books.
In the envelope with the books, you should have found a paper with Joan Pearson's address on it. She is the person to whom you should send the $4.95 for the books. If you can't find her mailing address, you can email her for it at jonkie@verizon.net
I look forward to our talking about Faceless Killers after the broadcast of the episode on October 3.
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fwige: WELCOME, WELCOME!
If you like other mysteries, come join us in the Mystery corner, and tell us what you are reading.
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Welcome, Fwige! It's a pleasure to meet you.
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I watched the last Inspector Lewis last night. For some reason it seemed to move faster than the previous episodes, enough so that my husband, who dislikes anything with the British accent, actually watched part of it.
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My local PBS is making up for lost time. They ran two Lewis episodes Sunday night and two
more Monday night. I saved the last one for today. Dessert, I suppose, as I have definitely
been feasting!
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I watched the one Sunday as well. I missed the first few minutes, just enough to leave me confused as to who was who.
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It does take a while to get everyone sorted out, doesn't it? I've learned with these series to
try to get as many as possible firmly fixed in my mind ASAP. It makes it easier
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It was a little confusing, but I think I got it sorted out in the end. It wasn't one of my favorites.
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I enjoyed the program, but found it a little more confusing than some of the others. I DVR'd it so I can re-watch it at my leisure. It seems to me like a lot of the BBC programs skip several steps; so that the conclusion is sometimes confusing. Oh the whole, though, they are very well worth watching in spite of skipped steps!
Sally
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Picked up my copy of Faceless Killers from the library this morning. Will start it today. Thanks, Marcie, for the email reminder as it had slipped my mind. :)
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I'm not sure about the last Inspector Lewis this season. I was interrupted by a phone call during the last ten minutes so I had to watch the ending online. That may have affected my feelings about it. I agree with what you said, salan, and I do like this series. I see they are trying to stay away from the most famous actor being the culprit this season which is good.
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FlaJean, I'm glad you found Faceless Killers at your library. I think you'll get a good feel for the type of person Wallander is from this first novel that features him.
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Such a relief to have pledge drive end and go back to regular programming. Sgt. Hathaway and his guitar, Inspector lewis and the opera, they're getting more character definition with each show.
PS: Got my computer back, it had a serious case of mal-ware.
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I'm so glad you have your computer back, Jackie. It is fun to learn more details about these characters.
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Looks like I will not have the book before the show. We only own two ( or is it eight?)but whatever, they are all out or on reserve.
Did you all watch the Lewis shows? I miss Morse but these seemed decent enough to pass the time with. Better than some of the stuff on network and cable.
Did you see that Masterpiece is bringing back Sherlock Holmes with a new actor playing Sherlock? I liked the most recent actor, Jeremy Brett, but he died in the '90's. I am hoping that the new ones are as good as Brett's.
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Annie, I'm sorry you won't have the book before the episode tomorrow but the episode should be good.
We have been watching the Inspector Lewis series and most of us enjoyed it.
I really liked Jeremy Brett's portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. It was quite idiosyncratic and dramatic and very entertaining. I recognize the actor playing Sherlock Holmes in the upcoming PBS series from somewhere but can't remember where. I don't think it was in the roles cited in the following article about Benedict Cumberbatch (what a name!): http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/02/23/pbs-launching-new-sherlock-holmes
EDIT: I tracked down why I remember Benedict Cumberbatch. He was Bernard (the husband) in the PBS broadcast of Small Island that we watched and discussed in April of this year. See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/smallisland/characters.html
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I have been reading "Faceless Killers", and enjoying iit. I may not finish it by tomorrow, so I will record the PBS show and watch it as soon as I finish the book. I like the author's style of writing. He certainly has me guessing.
Sheila
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Sheila, that's a good idea to record the episode since you're close to finishing the book.
Starting tomorrow (Sunday) evening after the episode, we'll be talking about the episode and book, Faceless Killers and will continue all week. Everyone who plans to watch the program or read the book but hasn't done so should be careful in reading the messages here so you don't hear about the ending. Maybe we can all write "SPOILER ALERT" in our messages if we give away important clues to the ending.
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I finished Faceless Killers and am looking forward to tonight's episode. I noticed in the chronological listing in one of the books that there is a Kurt and Linda Wallender mystery. I checked it out (Before the FRost) and I'll read it when I get finished with The Smiling Man (the best Wallender so far IMO)
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I tried again to watch a Wallender film, but I just didn't want to stick with it. Same happened
the last (first) time I started one. I think I figured out why I don't like them. Too consistently
gloomy. In most films dealing with police work, you see people who have to step away from
the constant tragedy from time to time, to speak of everyday things, josh one another, make
a joke and laugh. The Wallender films have no 'up'; it's all 'down'.
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I watched "Faceless Killers" last night and I noticed that in the previews for the next Wallendar episode continues Wallendar's problem with having killed another human being. His guilt or depression from this episode might be in all three. Never was able to get the book.
This show had some weird still shots that I didn't understand. I am actually going to watch it over on my computer sometime today to see if I can find the connection to these stills and the story.
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Wallender seems like a real person with all the problems that surround people. However, he does appear to have more than most. Last night's story, "Faceless Killers," was somewhat puzzling to me. I'm not sure what happened or who the perpetrators were. I did tape it though, so perhaps on the rerun it will become clearer .
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Oh, Babi, thank you! I was feeling such a contrarian because it seemed everyone here thinks so highly of Wallender and I'm really so turned off by the whole series.....especially last night. This extreme angst over killing a criminal and his statement that he never thought he would have do to that. Well, why did he become a policeman, for heaven's sake. Didn't he know that the possibility would always exist? I'm sorry, but this is just too depressing for me. And, yes, gloomy! Even the countryside is gloomy!
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I've read 4 Wallender books now and last night's series had incidents from different books and the incidents were treated differently than the books, especially the incident with his father. In my opinion the books are better than the TV series. My husband commented last night that he might have enjoyed it more if he hadn't read the book first.
I think good lighting would make a difference in many of those scenes. Surely, all the police offices and houses aren't that dark and dreary looking. The lighting is one of the reasons I don't like old black and white films. Every thing looks so dark and dreary. In a book my imagination makes up for that. ;)
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It has been a while since I read the book, but it seems to me a lot was changed in the film. I actually thought Branagh played Wallander a little less depressive and more driven in this one. Most of the other characters weren't given much to do.
Thank you Jean. I thought I was imagining things.
Almost forgot - They did a good job of casting David Warner as Wallander's Dad. There is a facial resemblance, don't you think?
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My local PBS station (KCET in Los Angeles) has just changed Masterpiece Mystery from Sunday to Thursday night, running old movies on Sunday. So I will always be behind the rest of you in discussions. GGGRRRRR.
But don't wait for me. I don't have faceless killers, but have finished the other two books (The Man Who Smiled and The Fifth Woman) so being behind won't spoil the plot. I liked them both.
FLA: I agree with you. The books could be dark and gloomy, but our imagination lightens them.
Later in the series, Wallender takes a vacation in Italy, and immediately brightens up (only briefly, of course). They all have SADD from the lack of sunlight!!!
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Well, I have finished "Faceless Killers", and watched PBS's version of the book. I enjoyed reading the book. However, IMO, the progress from Chapter 3, to the epilogue, seemed much too brusque, to me. There were much too many loose ends when the book ended.
I was disappointed in the PBS version. It had little in common with the book. It also seemed darker to me, than the book had. In the book Wallender was a young man. He had a girl friend named Mona. His mentor was an experienced investigator. Et cetra.
In my lifetime books, films and TV about Sweden, have been depressing. I think this week I will not read "The Man Who Smiled". I will wait until after viewing the PBS version. See if I like it. Then, read the book.
Sheila
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Glad I am not the only one who noticed that the homes of the people in this Wallendar presentation were so dark. I thought something was wrong with our TV!!
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It's not just gloomy inside. Did you notice how often it is raining or snowing in the Wallander books? I wonder if the weather is really that dreary most of the year in Sweden. Swedish weather seems like something interesting to look up when I have a minute.
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I did read The Smiling Man and it has been the best Wallender mystery so far IMO. I did not care for The Faceless Killers and think the later Wallender mysteries are much better. I was disappointed in the Masterpiece presentation and hope the next one is truer to the book. In the books Wallender has more control in his reactions with his team, and the team is much more cohesive.
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Didn't I read, way back in the way back machine, that the Swedish hardly ever smile and their favorite thing to do is to dance at the dance halls around the country, but very seriously looking they were?
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It is 55degrees F. and mostly cloudy in Ystad just now. Here is a webcam of the main square.
http://www.webbkameror.se/webbkameror/ystad/webkamera_ystad_640_1.php
There are some lovely photos to be seen in Google images for both Ystad and Malmo.
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Same temperature as here in NYC. I had the same experience with the TV show as some of you. It's been a while since I read the book, but I liked the book very much and this just brought in so many plots that were in other books, I almost stopped watching. The book is really a police procedural, Wallander always working with another policeman and this interpretation wasn't that at all. I do remember clearly how they figure out who did it and how the killers knew the farmer had the money, and it seemed to me that they took care of that in about one minute in this show at the end. One doesn't get the reasoning of Wallander and his crew or the steps they took. Suddenly Wallander is holding the receipt from the bank withdrawal, and it's over. And the scenes about the immigrants are not from this book. It made me think again about Murder on the Orient Express and the extraneous business of the stoning.
By the way, the Swedish Wallander films I saw, even though they were composites and just based on the novels, were not dark (that is unilluminated), but I remember the first film made of a John Harvey novel, a great mystery writer who is still writing, and most of whose mysteries took place in Nottingham, in the North of England. I saw it in Nottingham, at a mystery conference, and the reaction of the audience was above all, "don't they have street lights in Nottingham, don't they have electricity in the houses?" The film was considered "noir" but that should just be the subject. You don't need the sets to be "noir."
I'll still be watching the coming ones, of course. As for the books, it is best to read them in order, but I don't think it will make a difference for the TV shows. I have gone on for too long, sorry.
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Thanks for all of the good comments, everyone.
I agree with you all that the books do show Wallander painstakingly following up on every detail and writing notes throughout the day which he goes over again to make sure he hasn't missed a lead or strayed in the wrong direction. It's slow work and I understand that would be difficult to show in 90 minutes. They also can't include all of the characters and "red herrings" from the book.
I didn't have a problem with how they adapted this episode. During season 1, I remember being very disappointed in some of the adaptations. In FACELESS KILLERS it seems to me that the main difference between the book and TV episode was what happened when Wallander went after the killer of the emmigrant and what Wallander did at the very end of the episode, as a result of his feelings about what happened (I'm trying not to spoil it for those who haven't seen the TV version yet!). Those scenes certainly added personal drama to the TV episode. I think that the book conveyed personal drama/tensions inside Wallander but mostly through his own personal reflections which, perhaps, were difficult to convey on screen without a "happening" during 90 minutes.
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I'm reading the three free Wallender books, but haven't yet seen the TV adaptation (airs tomorrow here). Did they convey Wallendars incompetance in small things (he never has warm enough clothes on -- he never has a notebook, and has to borrow scraps of paper to write on etc.) I guess the author is trying to make him seem more human and approachable.
The other thing that struck me in the books is that whenever he weants something from a collegue, he always calls them to come in, even if he just wants to ask them somethinghe could have done on the phone. If I worked with him, I would have strangled him.
Now to look at pictures of Ystad.
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LOL, JoanK. I didn't pick up on those things about Wallander.
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JOAN K,
I read a lot of British police procedurals and I find that they do that too. They call the detectives to come in to tell them of findings I think they could have done on the phone.
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Frybabe, Thanks for that web cam of Ystad. It was dark there when I looked so will check back in the early morning here.
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Flajean, I agree with you - I think "The Man Who Smiled" is one of the very best I've read in the Wallander series - and I'm only half done! Has anyone else started it?
I was away last weekend and missed the PBS showing of the Faceless Killers on Sunday - finally saw it last night. Was it just me? I was confused throughout. Not sure if reading the book first helped...I just kept waiting for Mankell's story to start. I was prepared for some changes - at the very start were the words: "based on a novel" by Henning Mankell. As soon as I see those words, I've learned to be prepared for major changes. Still...
In the first seconds of the film, we are shown two murderers. Two murderers and the white stallion running free in the field. The dying woman whispers only "ffff" - to Wallander and he concludes that she is saying "farmer or foreigner." And who is the female police officer? Surely not the prosecutor, whose role the policewoman sort of usurped. (Nothing about Wallander getting fresh with the prosecutor either.)
I put off reading the last chapter of the book, wanting to leave some suspense for watching the film. I still don't know what happened. I was left in confusion - and wondered how anyone made sense of the story from watching the adaptation of the story. Did anyone enjoy the film? Did anyone enjoy the book as much as I did?
Off to finish reading the book and then I'd like to talk with you about "Faceless Killers" - before finishing "The Man Who Smiled." I have no idea how that one is going to turn out - and feel I'd better finish the book before watching the film.
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I finally got to see "Faceless Killers" last night. I remembered having read the book last year but, with my senior memory, couldn't remember it well enough to know what changes they made. I enjoyed the film, and was able to follow it fairly well.
The female detective was identified in passing, but easy to miss. She is Ann-Britt Hoglund (sp?) who appears in many of the books, but maybe not til later in the series. There is another time distortion. Wallendar is shown as knowing that he has diabetes, and I believe he isn't diagnosed until a later book.
SPOILER ALERT the murderers were the two fair workers that W saw in the video looking at the farmers receipt at the bank and later captured at the fair.
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JoanK, yes, I recognized Ann-Britt Hoglund from other of the Wallander series - including the next one, The Man Who Smiled. It's almost as if the person who adapted Faceless Killers for the film, had read the other Wallander novels at once, in preparation for his adaptations. Did you notice at the end of the Faceless Killers, Wallander handed in his badge, as if to say he is leaving the police force? Didn't happen at the end of the novel.
I just read the last pages - and glad I did. Now I understand what was going on at the end of the film....though there was no dead white stallion at the end of the novel. The murdered farmer's daughters gave the horse to their parents' neighbors. Can't imagine what was gained by killing off the horse in the film, can you?
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I was very confused about the dead horse but thought it was because I had missed the first 10 minutes of "Faceless Killers". I still don't know how they made foreigner or farmer out of "fffff".
I do remember that Wallendar's diabetes was brought up in one of the stories last year.
Between these confusions and the darkened sets that were shown to us, I am not looking forward to the next one but will watch it if the baseball game is over. Yes, its that time of the year and I am buried alive watching all of the last games of the season. But, I can always watch the Wallender series on my computer which is where I had intended to watch the missing 10 minutes. ::)
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The Man Who Smiled is a good one, Annie! At least the book is good~ ;) Don't miss it.
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I'm reading The Man Who Smiled and I agree with you, JoanP, that it is very good. I can't wait to see how they handle Wallander's apparent resignation at the end of the last episode. It's as someone here said....a part 1 continued in part 2 kind of episode.
SPOILER ALERT FOR FACELESS KILLERS
Now I see why they had Wallander kill the murderer in this episode. It was to set us up for what has happened to Wallander before The Man Who Smiled starts.
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ANNIE: (I) "will watch it if the baseball game is over."
Yes, this is a hard time of year for sports-junkies like me: So many sports, so little time! Watched my football team win (or rather fail to lose) in overtime, the baseball team I'm rooting against win (sigh), and getting ready to see when my basketball team plays next. Maybe I'm glad "Mystery" has moved to Thursday: my eyes will be rolling in my head by tonight.
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Marcie, did Wallander actually kill a man in "Faceless Killers"? In the book, I mean? Clearly by the time Mankell wrote The Man Who Smiled," his Wallander character was overcome by the fact that he had taken a life - in the line of duty. I remember checking and seeing that there were two other books in between Faceless and Smiled...
I finished the book and watched the film last night and will wait until others do before saying anything more about the plot - don't want to be a spoiler here. Can't help but say that I thought the Man Who Smiled - was never going to crack a smile in the film production. In the book, he smiled from beginning to the end - I was actually relieved when he smiled at the end of the film. ;D
A question - would you want to live in Mankell's Sweden? Everyone seems to be sick, corruption is rife and no one seems really happy. Maybe it's just the police who are down and world-weary?
Another observation - they drink an awful lot of coffee, don't they - like chain smoking, one cup after another. Is this a Swedish thing? Or maybe it goes along with the job in the police station...
I can't wait to hear from everyone once you have read the book and/or seen the PBS showing.
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Joan, I couldn't help thinking last night as I watched that if I was on the Swedish Tourist Commission I might consider suing whomever made these Wallender films for defamation....or something. The Sweden they are depicting is no place I ever want to go. What a dreary, dreary, place. And, yes, he actually smiled! A small one but never the less. I have not read any of the Mankell books but I sincerely hope that they are better than the PBS productions.
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I must admit that I'm disappointed in this series. I really enjoyed the book and I just don't think this TV production measures up to their usual Masterpiece productions. Perhaps I just had my expectations up too high.
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JoanP, no, Wallander did not kill anyone in Faceless Killers. I don't recall that he did in The White Lioness either, but he was mighty depressed and was forced to take leave at the end of that one.
FlaJean, I am disappointed in them too. Did they change directors or something? There just seems to be something "off" about these two. I expect the last one will be no better. On the up side, I thought Branagh did a credible job portraying Wallander's depression: lack of will, lack of focus, lack of interest in anything.
The White Lioness, IMHO, is the best or one of the best of the book series. We will probably not see it on Masterpiece Mysteries. More than half of the action took place in South Africa without Wallander present. The story line involved an assassination plot against Nelson Mandela. Sweden was the training ground for the assassin. Wallander's investigation of a murder led to the discovery of the plot. You know what? It might be worthy of a discussion on it's own considering the subject matter - the upheavals at the beginning of the end of apartheid.
BTW, last year I saw an excellent movie based on the covert discussions that brought down the Apartheid regime in South Africa called Endgame. I have yet to see Cry Freedom.
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JoanP, as Frybabe says, Wallander didn't kill the murderer in the book Faceless Killers. In the beginning of the book, The Man Who Smiled, Wallander is on leave of absence because of severe depression because he killed a bad guy in self defense. We don't experience that case. It is something that happened "off the books" between Faceless Killers and Man Who Smiled. I think that having Wallander kill the murderer in the PBS Faceless Killers and have that run over into The Man Who Smiled was a good way to handle the situation in the TV version since that event and the resulting depression has to be compressed for TV.
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On the other hand, I don't like some of the things they did for the TV episode of The Man Who Smiled. They seemed to heighten the tension between Wallander and his colleagues, esp. Martinsson. That makes for more action/drama in the episode but it is less subtle than the book. I guess I prefer subtle. That also holds true for the way that Wallander goes about solving the crime. The slow, thoughtful, painstaking process of figuring out clues is what attracts me to the character in the book. The TV production doesn't have time to spend on that.
LOL about the rich businessman not smiling until the very end. I guess they didn't want to give away the culprit by having him smile early on.
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There were a couple of funny things in the book that had me laughing out loud. That's rare in the admittedly dreary view of Sweden we get from the books. One that I remember is when Wallander comes back to work the first day and goes into his office and realizes that his shirt is drenched with sweat from his nervousness. He doesn't have anything to dry himself with so he takes off his shirt and dries himself with the curtains. Then a colleague comes in to find him with his shirt off. I don't know why that made me laugh.
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Marcie, yes, Wallander has his moments, doesn't he? - wiping his underarms on the curtains. He really has sunken to a new low in this episode, though he seems to revive as the story goes on and return to his former sharp detective self.
Have you started "The Fifth Woman" yet? I've read the first 80 pages, and am hoping that this one will be the charm. Though it is gory...
If you've started it, you know that Lisa H.....has become the new police chief now. It appears that the decision was made to hire only one actor/actress for each role - so that even though they change in Mankell's novels, the one plays the role in all three episodes. This explains where Ann-Britt Hoglund came in. Did you notice the nice house Wallander lives in? Didn't he live in a flat overlooking a busy street in the book?
I imagine that will be his home in future episodes.
\What I don't understand is why they had to change the manner in which the father and son were killed - and the name of the inn where Borman stayed. (Whatever happened to Borman?) Why? Why? Why?
Apart from all this - don't you think the whole story with Arthur H.... was too James Bondish for a Wallander story? The whole business with Wallander on the airport runway preventing the getaway in his little car...
It seemed to me that the actor playing Arthur decided to play the character the exact opposite to the way Mankell had portrayed him. Or was it the way the director told him to play it? I think the whole ending hinged on his performance...and it really didn't make that much sense to me.
In the book, Mankell had him smiling from beginning right to the very end. Wallander was determined to wipe the smile off his face.
Back to "The Fifth Woman" - and the mystery of these dead men. I am getting an idea of what has happened...only because Mankell has introduced the killger early - as a woman...
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JoanK, I read The Fifth Woman earlier this year. It is right up there in my top three Wallander books. I hope they don't go mangling it up like the others. Shortening the story to fit in one 90minute episode is one thing; changing so much of the story, incidental to the main plot or not, is quite another.
Did anyone see the Mankell interview on the PBS website? He is not excluding the possibility of new Wallander books. He likes Branagh, but I didn't hear any comments about the many changes in the TV episodes.
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JoanP, I'm just starting THE FIFTH WOMAN now. I may not finish it before I watch the episode tomorrow evening but that's probably all right. Frybabe, that's great that you've rated the book so highly.
Thanks for mentioning the Mankell interview. Here's a link to the video Q&A: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/wallander/mankell2.html
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I agree with what most of you have said. I, too, thought that the Swedish Dept. of Tourism must hate these productions. They leave me with no desire to visit Sweden. Too dark, dreary and depressing! I was disappointed in last week's production. It was boring and slightly confusing. I do like Kenneth Branagh, though. I hope tonight's episode picks up some.
Sally
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Even though they changes some things again, I liked this one. It "held together" better than the last. Did any of you notice that Wallander's Dad's painting were dull and dreary colored, all grays and browns? One seemed to have a little yellow or orange, but not much.
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We watched The Fifth Woman and at least it wasn't so dark but DH says the story isn't quite the same because to tell it all would take twice as long. Me, I am glad to see it over as I just didn't think this year was as well done as last.
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And the paintings were very nearly all the same. A few trees, with or without a grouse. The father was telling Wallander that he was just "driving through life....never looking at anything". It seems to me that the only thing the father looked at was a grove of trees and an occasional grouse. ;) I have high hopes for the upcoming Sherlock Holmes to be better than the Wallander series has been.
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So glad to hear Sherlock Holmes is up next. I'll have to remember to start watching PBS
again next Sunday.
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The Fifth Woman sure was different, wasn't it? We get to meet the killer in the very beginning - and then watch the police hurry to solve the crime before there are any more murders. The motive is not too clear, though there are growing hints as the story goes on. (I'm referring to the book, not the film, which I refuse to look at until I'm finished with the last 100 pages of the book. I want to hear the story directly from Henning Mankell's lips, before I see what PBS has done to it.) Annie, Ralph is probably right - there is a lot going on in the book which cannot be compressed into the hour and a half PBS gives it.
It is violent, isn't it - and dark as you have noted. Who would want to visit Sweden after hearing of the worsening violence and crime there. I finally got to listen to the interview with Mankell as Marcie suggested. Here's the link in case you missed it. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/wallander/mankell2.html
Mankell made some interesting points in the interview. One that answered the tourism question- it's WAY UP in Ystad. People are coming from all over. There are Wallander tours!!!
Another interesting point from the Interview - Mankell thought of Wallander in 1989. He was appalled at racism and the growing violence in society. He needed a policeman - a good policeman, which he defined as one who was aware that times were changing and that a new kind of policeman was needed to understand these changes. As Mankell talked, I understood him to mean that crime, violence and racism are issues that must be addressed - in general, not just in Sweden. I hadn't thought of that as I was reading the novel and the many references to the fact that violence is growing in Sweden- and will only get worse.
Do you believe this is true the world over?
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I didn't want to say terrible things about the PBS series so I shied away from this topic. However I have finished the three books from PBS and have found that I have become somewhat addicted to the character, the author and Sweden.
I went to the library to find other books by Mankell and I came across a book that may interest others. It is called "The Pyramid". There are five stories telling how Wallender became the detective he is in our books.
The first story introduces the twenty one year old detective. Next is Wallender as a young father. The third he is on the brink of middle age and troubled by a distant wife. In the forth he is a newly separated man.In the title story he is a veteran detective.
Each of these stories is related to Wallenders abilities as a policeman, how he solves his cases and how his powers have evolved.
Mankell is an excellent author of novels as well. One of his latest is "Italian Shoes". This is a fascinating look at a surgeon who decides to live on his own in the Swedish Archipelago and how the world he thinks he has left behind finds him. The Postman from "One Step Behind" plays a main role in this novel and becomes a fascinating character.
So in the end I say Kudos to PBS for the books even if the TV series was quie lacking.
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I too thought that the PBS series didn't do justice to the characters--especially Wallander--depicted in the books. There likely wasn't enough time to develop the character of Wallander and his relationship with his colleagues. The slow, painstaking, thoughtful, self-doubting, methodical procedures and thought processes of Wallander in the book make up his character for me. He has a gruff, impatient side but that seemed to be the main point that came out in the episodes. The way, in the book, he would sometimes talk through points of the case and think to himself that he should be more respectful and understanding of others, didn't get portrayed in the episodes.
When not compared to the books, I thought the productions were good and Kenneth Branaugh acted the part well (though not as the Wallander in the book).
I really was involved in the books, especially The Fifth Woman.
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JoanP, you say
"As Mankell talked, I understood him to mean that crime, violence and racism are issues that must be addressed - in general, not just in Sweden. I hadn't thought of that as I was reading the novel and the many references to the fact that violence is growing in Sweden- and will only get worse.
Do you believe this is true the world over?"
I don't read other police procedurals but I would imagine that, from the point of view of law enforcement, the reader would get a bleak view of the state of society. The focus of those types of books is crime. Mankell gives us the broader view of what leads to increased crime. I don't know if other authors do that too.
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I have not seen any of the Wallender series, but here in the UK we get the Swedish original as well, and my mother says it is much, much better than the Branagh one.
I think Ian Rankin does go some way to addressing the causes of crime. I've just finished his book "Dead Souls", which deals with paedophilia (not graphically, thank goodness), and also with the way our "roots" affect the course of our lives. Although he lives in Edinburgh and writes mostly about it, he was born in Fife and this novel returns in part to the run-down ex-mining towns that he knew as a child.
I don't know if the TV adaptations of Rebus have been shown on PBS, but the books are much better.
Rosemary
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No. we haven't gotten them yet, but I look forward to them. I thought of Ian Rankin when reading the Wallender books. They are similiar (absent the organized crime eliment present in Rankin).
Finally saw "The Fifth Woman" last night. I liked the production. I'm becoming addicted to Wallendar, too. Got to get "The Pyramid".
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Here's a link to the Reubus TV series that was shown in the UK for 4 years but I don't know what network carried them.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0243153/
These star John Hannah as Rebus.
And another link with a different actor playing Rebus. Ken Stott in 2006 & 2007
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0867015/
I'm wondering if one couldn't rent them from Netflix??
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Thank you, Jude. I'm with JoanK, I've got to get the Pyramid now too. I am also addicted to the Wallander character - and Branaugh's portray. Apparently Mankell likes him too - didn't he say in the interview that there are 6 more episodes in the works?
That said, I have to say that I have been really frustrated with the adaptations. I know some of the changes are necessary - the novels are too full to compress into a film without losing something. Maybe I squirm because so much of what is important to me in the novel has not made it into the adaptations. The edits seem to have been made to keep the plot line cohesive - so that the audience can follow. We are not allowed see to Wallander's intuitive detective work...but it's more than that, I think.
The two things that were left out of the PBS version of The Fifth Woman - Kurt Wallander finally got around to taking his father to Italy at the start of the novel. This meant so much to heal the rift between father and son. When they returned home, the murders began and it was during the investigation that Dad, well, I won't say because I don't want to spoil. I don't know why that trip to Italy was not mentioned in the film - at all!
The other thing...Wallander really wants to buy a house - hoping that Baiba will come to Sweden and live with him. He's watching the classified, he's even looked at one house. Why on earth did the adapter think it was necessary to begin a romance with Anya Anderson? That was beyond me...
I'm wondering now if this is setting the stage for future episodes.
There were good scenes...good acting - I'm going to have to think it over to get past the parts I found lacking. Looking forward to hearing what you all thought of it. Did you read the book? That is important to know...
Will be back later to check out those links, Annie!
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November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
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October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire. Watch the episode online through December 7 at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/watch.html
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October 24, 2010 at 9pm
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Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims. Watch the episode online through December 7 at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/watch.html
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Discussion Leaders: JoanP (jonkie@verizon.net) and marcie (marciei@aol.com)
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JoanP, I guess the TV folks wanted to show that Wallander was capable of, and wanted a loving relationship with someone, and they didn't want the complication of adding another character to the episode--one who isn't connected at all to the case. As you say, they've made decisions based on the 90 minute-framework and the medium of a TV episode, and some of them (especially his relationship with his father--the important trip they took together) are not to the liking of those of us who've read the books!
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You know, that listing of all the shows we've already discussed is getting really long. Is there
any particular reason for keeping it up?
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Babi, I'll remove the "already discussed" list tomorrow when I put up the new Sherlock Holmes.
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Oh, good! Just think of all the space you'll save. :)
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I just finished reading The Man Who Smiled. I like the ending of the TV program better. Now I'm going to have to rewatch the program. The show certainly got around all the "waiting" and tedious paperwork tasks in the book.The book ended on an up note, a nice touch I thought.
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Babi :)
Frybabe, that's interesting that you enjoyed the TV version of THE MAN WHO SMILED better than the book. I do think that the TV versions are worth watching again.
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Marcie,
Would you be willing to place all those discussions under one link so that anyone who has not seen the books or the movies would be able to peek into what everyone thought about the two mediums?
And tonight, the game's afoot at 9pm on PBS Masterpiece Mystery!
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What an interesting Sherlock. I was fully prepared not to like it. Was I surprised. Did you recognize Lestrade?
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Annie, I added a link in the heading to the blurbs about the programs we've already watched and discussed.
Frybabe, that's encouraging that you enjoyed the Sherlock Holmes. I'm a bit anxious about it myself. I thought that Jeremy Brett was fantastic, especially in the early ones he did. I'm looking forward to seeing our new Sherlock Holmes tonight.
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Ummm! My verdict is still out about Sherlock. At this point, I am not sure that I like the actor playing Sherlock or the writer's interpretation of him. He seemed a little ADD to me. Not sure about Hastings either. I definitely will watch again. Maybe they'll "grow" on me.
Sally
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LOL, salan, yes this Sherlock definitely has ADD. They both are addicted to danger. That puts an interesting twist to their characters. I too think that I will need a bit of time to have the characters grow on me though I'm finding them personable as actors (especially after Watson lost his pyschosomatic limp).
Frybabe, It's an interesting choice to have THE MAN WHO SMILED play Lestrade.
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Ahhh, and we are introduced to Mycroft immediately! I love Mycroft!
But as to the rest of it, I thought that Sherlock spoke too fast when he was on a roll and he insulted everyone around him. He does portray ADD, the one that we treat kids for!!
At least, Basil Rathbone and Jeremy Brett had good manners, even when they were on a hunt and they saw the clues in their minds.
I don't like the psychotic way the show portrays Sherlock's thinking with the print on the screen. Do they think that we are all idiots and need that kind of stuff?
Thumbs down for me!
Does anyone know of how we could advise the producers/directors of our ideas??? ;)
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I started watching Sherlock and then the PBS station went out and there were very pretty vertical bars across the screen. :-\ Then the last 10 minutes it was on again. So I'm hoping the local station will rerun it.
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Annie, Sherlock Holmes definitely has quirks. What about the three nicotine patches!
FlaJean, I hope you can see the episode. It's available online through December 7 at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/watch.html
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I didn't enjoy it at all. For the reason that was mentioned above. Sherlock spoke so fast that I couldn't understand a thing he said and the close captions had to move fast to keep up with him that I could hardly read them. I don't think I will mind missing the next ones.
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jeriron, Maybe he'll calm down a bit in the next episodes. We'll see.
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I was somewhat doubtful when I realized this series on Sherlock Holmes
was going to be placed in the 20th century. I happy to say I thoroughly
enjoyed it. I simply took it on it's own terms and found I like the new
Holmes-Watson relationship. This Watson is a much more assertive person
in his own right, and it makes for a more interesting relationship.
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Thanks, Marcie, I'll look at it there.
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Count me as a fan of the new SH treatment. Stands on its own so that I'm not pining for Jeremy Brett every time he opens his mouth. Dr. Watson is attractive and supplies the Yang to Sherlock's Yin. Two of us thought he was Moriarity but one knew he was Mycroft.
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Jackie: Stands on its own so that I'm not pining for Jeremy Brett every time he opens his mouth.
I agree. Probably thats why they did it. I think we should take this as it is, like the "Mrs Sherlock Holmes" mystery stories, and like it for what it is.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I had trouble understanding Holmes, but I always have some trouble with British productions. And I notices that, with all the fancy deductions, Holmes was handed the solution on a silver platter. But that's ok.
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My Mom who was born in Wales can never understand British comedy. She isn't too keen most
British productions.
I has to laugh about Holmes and his nicotine patches (instead of drugs). It was even funnier when he compared patches with Lasrade.
Oh yes Mycroft. I waffled a little and then settled on Myroft too.
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I wouldn't say Holmes was 'handed the solution', JOAN. He had figured out that the
killer must be a cab driver, and knew it must be the one that was waiting for him.
The cab driver's understanding of Holmes psychological make-up was right on! He knew
Holmes could not resist taking the risk.
Lestrade is a quite different character, also. The original was much more discreet about how
much he called on Holmes. This one doesn't care; he wants answers! Much more likable, IMO.
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I kid you not! I had just remarked to my DH that this actor who was playing Moriarty should playing Mycroft when the actor claimed to be MYCROFT! Imagine my surprise!
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Babi, Jackie and JoanK, I'm glad that we're all able to enjoy the new Sherlock Holmes.
Good sleuthing Frybabe to figure out the "misleading" character was Mycroft. You almost got it too Annie!
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I enjoyed the new Sherlock Holmes so much. It had the same spirit of believable yet riduculous fun that the old Dr. Who with Tom Baker had. This is fiction with a twist of Gilbert and Sullivan.
I am looking forward to the next chapter and hope the witticisms and fun continue.
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JudeS, that's a great way to look at the new series... "fiction with a twist of Gilbert and Sullivan." I'm looking forward to the next episode tomorrow evening.
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"This is fiction with a twist of Gilbert and Sullivan" ;D
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This Sherlock Holmes series is such a joy - makes up for the disappointing Wallander series. Thank goodness we have the Wallander books so kindly sent by PBS and JoanP. Wouldn't you suppose that the tv folks would have realized that we would compare the series unfavorably with the books? A bit of executive blindness there, I think.
I hope that there will be more of the new Sherlock after this set of 3 programs. Watson is great and I know Sherlock talks too fast, but I can live with that.
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LOL, JoanR. I don't think it's likely that the PBS publicists think that their Wallander series would compare unfavorably with the books. I wonder if they have read the books?
It's great that so many of us are enjoying the new Holmes and Watson.
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I'll probably miss the beginning tonight (it wouldn't be Holloween if I didn't go Trick-or-treating with my grandkids). I'm wondering whether to turn it on in the middle or wait til Thursday, when I can see the whole thing.
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My daughter and I weren't sure Dr. Watson was the same actor as in the previous episode.
It seems he was, but for some reason looked younger and seemed a weaker personality. Perhaps this episode was from a different writer.
One difference between this series and the original stories: Conan Doyle would never have
permitted Holmes to fail in keeping that lovely young woman safe. Less realistic, of course, but
there is something to be said for rescuing the fair damsel.
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JoanK, I hope you enjoyed your Halloween outing. :-) Let us know what you think after you've seen the episode.
Babi, you are right, I had hoped that Sherlock or Watson (who was supposed to stay with the girl!!) would protect her. I guess she had to go since she had been with the "mob."
I like that there is humor in the episodes but it does make for some unevenness in the depiction of the characters. In this episode, anyway, they seemed a bit more like caricatures in some places.
I'm going to have to view the last scene online again. Who was the mob "general" texting with at the end?
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I'm still enjoying this series! I agree that it was sad that the girl wasn't saved, but remember that she had been a traitor to the mob, so she was surely doomed even if Holmes or Watson had managed to save her this time.
Watson probably seems younger in this episode because he is so much more active than in the first when he was limping from his war injury. There was a pretty speedy recovery back then when he teamed up with Holmes so perhaps his limp was partly psychosomatic!
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There is something missing, so far, in this series - Holmes's use of disguise. I'd like to see Dr. Watson just a tad less inept/clueless. He is supposed to be a war vet. His reaction to having a weapon pointed at his woman friend was a little less than expected. I think he waited a bit too long to make a move once Holmes provided a distraction.
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I came home about halfway through the episode, and decided not to watch the rest but wait til Thursday. The trick-and-treats with my grandkids was well worth it, though.
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That was precisely my complaint, FRYBABE. In the first episode, Watson was not inept or
clueless, and I highly approved the change. Then in this second episode he was much less
capable and efficient.
MARCIE, do you know if the same writer is doing all these stories? Different writers would
explain the character changes we're noticing.
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Babi, I checked the credits on the Sherlock Holmes website at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/index.html and it looks like we've had the same writers for these first two episodes but different directors. That could account for the differences.
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Thanks for checking for me, MARCIE. I'll be interested to see how Dr. Watson fares in the
next episode.
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Enjoyed this episode less than the first one. I hope that the series goes back to its playful self.
This episode was less successful and rather reminescent of the old Charlie Chan movies with the evil "Orientals".
It really may be the change in director that turned this episode into a bit of a farce. However I still really like the two characters (and the actors who play them). A fresh take on an old favorite.
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November 7, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
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October 31, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Pursuing the case of a banker and a journalist shot dead by a ghostly assailant, Sherlock and Watson uncover an antiquities-smuggling empire. Watch the episode online through December 7 at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/watch.html
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October 24, 2010 at 9pm
One 90-minute episode
Sherlock Holmes teams up with former army doctor John Watson to solve a case of serial suicides and corner a killer who has mysterious powers over his victims. Watch the episode online through December 7 at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/watch.html
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Today is the day I get to hear it. Looking forward to it.
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Great, JoanK. Let us know what you think of the episode.
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Like the rest of you, I was disappointed. I liked the extravegant settings, but it was more ordinary than the first.
However, it was certainly worth watching.
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Another thing I did not notice in the first two episodes. Watson, what is he a Dr. of in this series? He hasn't done any medical doctorly things or even mentioned medicine that I recall.
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Frybabe, Didn't Watson try to get a part time job at some type of medical clinic in the first series. He fell asleep and the woman supervisor saw a bunch of the patients. They didn't really show any medical equipment. He was sitting at a desk but I assumed it was a medical clinic.
In that episode, when Holmes saw Watson in a morgue, didn't he deduce that Watson was an army medical doctor? You're right, though, that Holmes doesn't ask Watson to do much medical sleuthing on any of the victims.
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I think that one of you mentioned before that there is some video Q&A with the creators/writers of this Sherlock Holmes program on the PBS site. It's at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/producers.html.
Live chat with Sherlock co-creators and writers Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat on Monday, November 8, 2010 at 1:00 pm (Eastern time).
The writers also will participate in a live chat on this Monday at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/sherlock/chat.html.
If you can't participate but want to be included, find Masterpiece on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/masterpiecepbs) and Twitter (http://twitter.com/masterpiecepbs) and post your questions before the chat.
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Ah yes, Marcie. I forgot. Should have remembered that.
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I liked this last one. Sherlock made a minor attempt at disguise. I never guessed at Moriarity. The ending was interesting - leave us hanging.
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Frybabe, wow, what an ending. I didn't expect a cliff hanger. We have to wait until next year to see what happens!!
I felt that something was fishy with the guy in the lab but I didn't expect him to be who he turned out to be. Holmes has met his match.
At the end, I didn't get how the red laser dots were targeting Holmes and Watson in the swimming pool building? I thought that one of them was going to jump in the pool to escape. :) Maybe in the follow up episode.
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MARCIE, I suppose Moriarty had two hirelings in the building with rifles, ready to do his bidding.
I thought of jumping in the pool, too, though I wasn't sure that would keep the bomb from killing John. And of course jumping in the pool wouldn't resolve anything where the guns were concerned.
I'm not sure how threatening Moriarty with the bomb is more effective than pointing a gun at
his head; it's still a stand-off. Or maybe the bomb is powerful enough to take out the riflemen,
too, so they will skedaddle. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
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You could be right, Babi, about other people helping Moriarty. We'll see if the next episode (next year!) takes off from where we were left.
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I am so disappointed not to have known about this site until this very day. Have been an avid fan of Masterpiece Theatre and then Masterpiece Mystery and Classic and so forth, from the git go.
Thought I would hate a "modern" Sherlock Holmes. I do love my Arthur Conan Doyle and am extremely finicky about my Sherlocks. Loved some, but have hated most.
But saw that Rupert Graves plays the Inspector. I am a huge fan of his from his being John Forsyte. Well, I have fallen big time for this Sherlock. And yes, Watson is a real life, bona fide doctor. He had just gotten home from the war in Iraq when he teamed up with Holmes.
The whole thing is a silly romp of a present-time gag take-off on the real books; and I find it a hoot. I sit and hug myself and howl with amusement. They are doing a most clever job of it.
And Graves is still, sigh, quite a divine creature.
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MARY, HI. Well, if Sherlock meets your standards, he is really good! Sherlock and Watson really do look like what a modern version would be, don't they. Are there parallels with the books that we aren't seeing?
I have to admit, the ending confused me. I didn't really understand what was happening. After reading the posts, it's much clearer to me.
How many stories is Moriarty in in the original? Are we supposed to assume that it was him in the LAST episode, killing off the carnival performer?
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Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a Sherlock Holmes story titled "A Study in Scarlet." We have just had "A Study in Pink."
So watch and compare the titles. Then compare what the characters do and say and the general outline of the stories.
In this modern day London collection of tales, much has been copied in an extremely updated fashion. These are the things I find so delicious: the original successfully altered in a hilarious way.
Tickles my fancy, it does. I find it brilliant!
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JoanK, I'll have to review that episode and the carnival performer. I'm not sure if Moriarty was involved in that one.
MaryPage, I'm so glad you've joined us. I believe that there will be more of our modern duo in the future from PBS. It's good that you are familiar enough with the original to make the comparisons with the new.
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Oh my, what fun!
This whole episode is such a mishmash and moves so fast that it was hard to keep up. Things moved at such a fast pace that it left no room to contenplate on what was happening. You just had to run along and be dazzled by all the goings on. It had the pace of a video game. Perhaps that was the point. And, of course, to introduce us to the modern Moriarty. All the characters are before us and we have to wait for the next episode.
If someone were to ask me to do a synopsis all I could say is ,Sherlock meets his arch enemy and the new-old feud continues.
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Jude, LOL, that's a very good summary. ;) I agree that it was very fast-paced. I couldn't catch every word.
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Thanks for the 'forecast', MARCIE. My PBS on-line site has changed it's format, and I am having
no luck at all finding a simple schedule of programming for upcoming shows. So aggravating!
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MARCIE: "I'll have to review that episode and the carnival performer. I'm not sure if Moriarty was involved in that one."
The last scene in that one, we see the evil carnival woman talking to someone offscreen, apologizing to them for failure, and saying that she would never tell anyone about it. A sinister voice says "I know you won't" and the screen goes black, implying that "sinister voice" has killed her. It is "sinister voice" that I am assuming was Moriarty.
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Oh, yes, JoanK, now I remember the ending. Hmmm, I guess it could have been Moriarty!
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