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« Reply #1560 on: June 18, 2010, 05:21:01 PM »
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In The Summer
by Nizar Qabbani

In the summer
I stretch out on the shore
And think of you
Had I told the sea
What I felt for you,
It would have left its shores,
Its shells,
Its fish,
And followed me.



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« Reply #1561 on: June 18, 2010, 05:24:40 PM »
Oh YES, Robert Browning - I forgot his poem and it is just what we need to read sometimes - I do like the 'Dogan' on the moon and water -  lovely and worthy of thought.

Jackie from my reading and the chit chat from several friends who grew up Buddhist, evidently there is as much politics pull and tug among Buddhists as there is among Christians - the only group, if you would that is not organized and even there some have the strangest practices but for the most part their focus is on our spiritual nature are the Taoists. I also find that most monastic orders and individuals who were or are writting today and who are monastic, regardless religion touch a chord and their focus is on our spiritual nature rather than temporal 'things' and rules...

Here is an Amazon link to Four Cultures of the West -
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« Reply #1562 on: June 18, 2010, 05:29:29 PM »
I could not choose so here are a few - all are from Basho

the moon:
I wandered around the pond
all night long

the setting moon
the thing that remains
four corners of his desk

In the moonlight a worm
silently
drills through a chestnut

All my friends
viewing the moon –
an ugly bunch

viewing the moon
no one at the party
has such a beautiful face

The moon is the guide,
Come this way to my house,
So says the host of a wayside inn.

occasional clouds
one gets a rest
from moon-viewing


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« Reply #1563 on: June 18, 2010, 05:32:22 PM »
 ah and our old friend Mary Oliver

Heron Rises From The Dark, Summer Pond

So heavy
is the long-necked, long-bodied heron,
always it is a surprise
when her smoke-colored wings

open
and she turns
from the thick water,
from the black sticks

of the summer pond,
and slowly
rises into the air
and is gone.

Then, not for the first or the last time,
I take the deep breath
of happiness, and I think
how unlikely it is

that death is a hole in the ground,
how improbable
that ascension is not possible,
though everything seems so inert, so nailed

back into itself--
the muskrat and his lumpy lodge,
the turtle,
the fallen gate.

And especially it is wonderful
that the summers are long
and the ponds so dark and so many,
and therefore it isn't a miracle

but the common thing,
this decision,
this trailing of the long legs in the water,
this opening up of the heavy body

into a new life: see how the sudden
gray-blue sheets of her wings
strive toward the wind; see how the clasp of nothing
takes her in.

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: Poetry Page
« Reply #1564 on: June 19, 2010, 08:20:02 AM »
 
Quote
I do know some Buddhists and they are gentle and non-judgmental about their fellows.
   
  Alas, JACKIE, Christianity is supposed to be gentle, too, with judgment
reserved to God. "Judge not, that ye be not judged." And on the whole, the
Christians I have known have been gentle people. Exceptions, of course, as
in everything.
    My faith is  in God; my hope is that the Church will serve Him and the needs of the congregation.
   I like Dogen's idea. I may be 'a puddle an inch wide' and still reflect
the moonlight.

 BARB, I have to suppose that most individuals entering monastic orders are
intent on a spiritual life. But I have also read, for instance, that the
numerous temples of Japan are run on a very business-like basis. Tourism
seems to play a large role there. Perhaps the temples are income sources for
monastic groups living elsewhere. One can only hope.
  I don't think we can get away from the fact that whereever a group of human
souls interact, there is going to be 'politics and pull'.

 I found this poem by someone who identifies himself only as "Night Firewolf".

JUDGMENT

I find it funny...
How you look at me
Judge me...
Criticize my life
And try to capture the essence of my soul

I find it ridiculous
How you analyze your surroundings
Wrap yourself in luxuries
Sell your soul for a glass of water
And ingest the black dust of reality

But in the end
I have only judged you
As you have done me

And in the beginning
We step back to see
How human it is to judge
upon what we don't fully understand
To create some false understanding

"Don't judge me, Don't judge me"
"I'm human. I can't help that."

Don't deny your humanity
For that is to deny a large part
Of everything you are."
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« Reply #1565 on: June 19, 2010, 11:35:04 AM »
This was part of an email I receive on a daily basis, from a Pastor I have never heard in person.  He used to be my best friend's pastor.
He distributes the newsletter titled "God Issues", and each day has a topical comment, and verses that seem to apply.  Reading your last few posts, I couldn't help but think of you when I read this one.  And excuse me if you feel I'm barging in your conversations.  Much love and best wishes for you.

Paul's admonition to the Romans:

I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship.  Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will (Romans 12:1-2).
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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« Reply #1566 on: June 19, 2010, 12:09:45 PM »
Tome:  As always, your contribution to a discussion is very welcome and cogent.  Faith and questioning it are universals and may be like the black cloud without which there can be no silver lining.

Count me among those who believe that any creation of man's will be imperfect since we are all imperfect.  What i've done is decide on what kind of person i want to be and tried to be that person.  The Golden Rule is my credo.  Do I achieve my goal?  Don't make me laugh.  I give myself merit for trying.
Jackie
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

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« Reply #1567 on: June 19, 2010, 12:50:01 PM »
Thanks Tomereader for sharing with us your faith - with so many buzzwords it is difficult to choose words to describe true recognition of what we shared here in the last few days. By ‘faith’, I mean the loyalty/allegiance to a belief in truth, value, and trustworthiness that is our individual North Star.

That metaphor alone - the North Star- says much - with the millions of stars visible to choose one as our personal star - do we choose the brightest, the star that others agree is the North Star - ah yes, when the celestial space was thought only to be the space seen with our eyes one star among a consistent group of bright stars was easily identified for its location and therefore ability to direct the traveler isolated from landmarks.

Today not only can we choose the historical North Star but in addition, there are instruments that help us locate the magnetic North. These many centuries later, we know that seeing through a powerful telescope the enormity of celestial space. Choosing and declaring our personal North Star from a space crowded with wonders and precise instruments that offer us a direction is a quest worthy of Perceval, Galahad or Gawain. Seems basic is our need to find and be a guardian of our truth.

Tennyson wrote about the search. Here is an excerpt from his Idylls of the King .

And spake I not too truly, O my knights?
Was I too dark a prophet when I said
To those who went upon the Holy Quest,
That most of them would follow wandering fires,
Lost in the quagmire?--lost to me and gone,
And left me gazing at a barren board,
And a lean Order--scarce returned a tithe--
And out of those to whom the vision came
My greatest hardly will believe he saw;
Another hath beheld it afar off,
And leaving human wrongs to right themselves,
Cares but to pass into the silent life.
And one hath had the vision face to face,
And now his chair desires him here in vain,
However they may crown him otherwhere.
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« Reply #1568 on: June 19, 2010, 12:55:49 PM »
Babi and Jackie I like your practical realization that man is not perfect and is a political animal - I guess the quote something about when two or more are gathered in my name points us to the realization that two or more  imperfect beings are going to jockey among each other using the variety of truths present in the group. The inclination for many seems to be to agree on one truth - thus we have all that  judgemental behavior the Babi reminded  us is part and parcel of life today.

This was a great exploration and only makes me smile now - for a bit it became so serious - it is observing the differences that can amuse us while enlisting a gentle smile of recognition - thanks folks this has been great!
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« Reply #1569 on: June 19, 2010, 01:01:42 PM »
By the way here is a nice link to Tennyson's poem - http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2318/
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« Reply #1570 on: June 19, 2010, 06:18:58 PM »
Some keep the Sabbath going to Church
          ~ Emily Dickinson

Some keep the Sabbath going to Church --
I keep it, staying at Home --
With a Bobolink for a Chorister --
And an Orchard, for a Dome --

Some keep the Sabbath in Surplice --
I just wear my Wings --
And instead of tolling the Bell, for Church,
Our little Sexton -- sings.

God preaches, a noted Clergyman --
And the sermon is never long,
So instead of getting to Heaven, at last --
I'm going, all along.
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« Reply #1571 on: June 19, 2010, 06:22:35 PM »
All is Truth.
          ~ by Walt Whitman

O ME, man of slack faith so long!
Standing aloof—denying portions so long;
Only aware to-day of compact, all-diffused truth;
Discovering to-day there is no lie, or form of lie, and can be none, but grows as
inevitably
upon
itself as the truth does upon itself,
Or as any law of the earth, or any natural production of the earth does.

(This is curious, and may not be realized immediately—But it must be realized;
I feel in myself that I represent falsehoods equally with the rest,
And that the universe does.)

Where has fail’d a perfect return, indifferent of lies or the truth?
Is it upon the ground, or in water or fire? or in the spirit of man? or in the meat and
blood?

Meditating among liars, and retreating sternly into myself, I see that there are really no
liars or
lies after all,
And that nothing fails its perfect return—And that what are called lies are perfect
returns,
And that each thing exactly represents itself, and what has preceded it,
And that the truth includes all, and is compact, just as much as space is compact,
And that there is no flaw or vacuum in the amount of the truth—but that all is truth
without
exception;
And henceforth I will go celebrate anything I see or am,
And sing and laugh, and deny nothing.
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« Reply #1572 on: June 19, 2010, 06:24:44 PM »
Seeker Of Truth
          ~ by E. E. Cummings

seeker of truth

follow no path
all paths lead where

truth is here

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« Reply #1573 on: June 19, 2010, 09:31:06 PM »
This little discussion of the past few days has been awesome.  I've revealed more of my soul here than I've ever done in my life.  Learned some painful truths, (the grass isn't greener in the other temple). This will be with me for always.
Jackie
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

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« Reply #1574 on: June 20, 2010, 08:18:23 AM »
Trust Dickinson to have a good word for us. I don't know that I've ever
heard a bobolink, but I'm sure he makes a lovely chorister.
  I'm afraid I don't understand Mr. Whitman's 'perfect returns'. But then,
I've never understood, or particularly enjoyed, Mr. Whitman anyway.
   
   I have come to appreciate the difficulty - and the irony - in this apparently simple instruction from Jesus:   
"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven."
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« Reply #1575 on: June 20, 2010, 02:36:40 PM »
I agree Babi - I do not see the evidence of things done because two or three gathered in the name of Jesus or of the Father. However, I have seen groups go deeper and come up with unexpected understanding when they followed the next sentence in Matthew - "For where two or more are gathered together in My Name, I am there in the midst of them" - I have seen a mixed bag or religious and non-religious folks at ACOA meetings have this experience after together they sincerely recite the Serenity Prayer that calls on God.

Call it God or not but there is an energy unseen and unknown that comes alive when a group in common sets aside their individual egos to solve a dilemma. I won't even say problem because that is assuming the understanding because it is different than we expect or want to see it is therefore a problem where as accepting it is what it is regardless of opinion or judgment groups can get a better understanding and come up with behavior that side steps or protects or whatever is required while leaving the judgment or punishment up to a higher power.

My personal opinion of the part of Matthew that is as you say ironic is in what we ask for. The quote does say anything and that to me is the rub - most of what we ask for is within our imagination and we ask for something that excludes pain - I find I learn more from the happenings that are beyond my imagination or are painful and so for me this is where other writings are helpful and have served me well.

In particular I have so much underlined and bookmarked in my old copy of Ascent of Mount Carmel by St. John of the Cross which to me sounds as if written within the last 100  years rather than over 450 years ago. Anyhow, these quotes have become part of my North Star.

"Strive always to prefer, not that which is easiest, but that which is most difficult;"
Prefer is the optimal word here.

The quote continues with sentences that include the optimal word Desire

"In order to arrive at having pleasure in everything, Desire to have pleasure in nothing.
In order to arrive at possessing everything, Desire to possess nothing.
In order to arrive at being everything,   Desire to be nothing.
In order to arrive at knowing everything, Desire to know nothing.

In order to arrive at that point where you take no pleasure, you must go by a way that gives no pleasure.
In order to arrive at that point where you know nothing, you must go by a way you do not know.
In order to arrive at that point where you are free of possessing, you must go by a way you do not possess.
In order to arrive at that point at which you are nothing, you must go through that which you are not."

For me these thoughts from St. John of the Cross offer a direction to the quote in Matthew’s Bible
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« Reply #1576 on: June 20, 2010, 02:40:34 PM »
As I understand Buddhism asking for gifts from God denies that the question is even worth asking. To begin with faith in God is a gift and everyday we wake up is a gift and when happiness comes, it is to be enjoyed as a gift. Therefore, the only gift we can pray for is to have faith to believe and follow him

Sounds less greedy than the open checkbook feeling I get with “…if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you…” However, both sound to me like praying with a begging cup held out to God. And yet, Robert Frost's poem, “Asking For Roses” is a good metaphor for asking suggesting there is an abundance that needs ‘plucking’.

Asking For Roses
          ~ Robert Frost

A house that lacks, seemingly, mistress and master,
With doors that none but the wind ever closes,
Its floor all littered with glass and with plaster;
It stands in a garden of old-fashioned roses.

I pass by that way in the gloaming with Mary;
'I wonder,' I say, 'who the owner of those is.'
'Oh, no one you know,' she answers me airy,
'But one we must ask if we want any roses.'

So we must join hands in the dew coming coldly
There in the hush of the wood that reposes,
And turn and go up to the open door boldly,
And knock to the echoes as beggars for roses.

'Pray, are you within there, Mistress Who-were-you?'
'Tis Mary that speaks and our errand discloses.
'Pray, are you within there? Bestir you, bestir you!
'Tis summer again; there's two come for roses.

'A word with you, that of the singer recalling--
Old Herrick: a saying that every maid knows is
A flower unplucked is but left to the falling,
And nothing is gained by not gathering roses.'

We do not loosen our hands' intertwining
(Not caring so very much what she supposes),
There when she comes on us mistily shining
And grants us by silence the boon of her roses.

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #1577 on: June 20, 2010, 03:05:54 PM »
Being where there are no towers to allow me to use my laptop ..with mobile I have missed you all and it is strange this am to come here and read what you have written In a town I was once in many years ago I attended a church and an adult Sunday School Class  One thing I realized was that we should NEVER stop reading and trying to understand God's messages. How far I have come from the little girl of three who was baptised and attended a Methodist church, How many other churches have I attended in how many different places..and I now come to a new understanding..It is not that my old teaching was wrong but that i misunderstood...even now I am AWARE that what I believed was okay but was not the end of learning.. I am a better person BUT not the perfect person THERE IS ONLY ONE OF THEM and HIS words tell me that I can only keep learning , keep striving , keep trying to be the best person I can be...and in the end it will be HIS FORGIVENESS that allows me to be at last in a PERFECT PLACE....I have no poem to offer today but as usual enjoyed the ones posted , the thoughts expressed Tomorrow I fly home to VA and return to my life there but the  almost 3 mos of living elsewhere , being with family, some I had never met, being inspired to change my plans to return home and instead end up here in Kansas City Mo only to find two days later that my  brother in Ohio passed away.. Because I believe God inspired me to be here it allowed my brother ,whom I visited in Ca to call me and tell me our brother was no longer with us, allowed him to fly here to KC since his daughter from Utah was there to care for his seriously ill wife, her mother, to allow his one son in law, a school teacher free for the summer to come with him here , for them to rent a car and let me go with them to  Springfield MO only 21/2 hours away , to be there for the funeral of our brother and to hold the remembrance card in my hand and realize if I had kept to my original plans I would have been on the train to Va ,never knowing of my  brothers death or being able to attend his funeral..Then to attend this church here and once again in  a SS school class and realize I still have a long walk ahead of me GOD DOES MOVE IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS ..when next I post hopefully I will be safe at home . GOD BE WITH YOU >>>always  anna

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« Reply #1578 on: June 21, 2010, 08:20:55 AM »
 Now that I think of it, I'm not surprised that reading and discussing poetry has led us into a discussion of things spiritual.

   What I find ironic in that scripture, BARB, is that I'm sure Jesus knew
how difficult it is to find two on earth who agree...completely...about
anything.  Even if you have two people praying for a very ill person, are
they all truly praying for the same thing?  Or is one praying for recovery, one for a serene passing, and one praying for God's will since He knows best?
 You're absolutely right about the spirit..the energy..that comes when
a group prays together.  The quote from St. John of the Cross gives me
pause, in that it says to do these things "In order to arrive at....".
We cannot truly desire to possess nothing, if we are doing that "in order
to" possess everything. Still, I understand what he intends. There is
much of the philosophy of Buddhism in those instructions. 'Let go of
everything' is key to the Buddhist teachings.
  Love the poem!

 I am sorry to hear of your brother's death, ANNA, and I'm so glad you
were able to be there. I lost my only brother a few years ago and it was
a painful loss.
   God does indeed move in unexpected ways.  More than once my help has come in a way and from a direction I would never have expected, but it never fails to come. There have been instances when I only realized much later that a hard answer I received was truly the best and wisest one. Whatever flaws I may see in the doctrines of men, I completely trust the love and wisdom of God.
 
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« Reply #1579 on: June 21, 2010, 01:59:18 PM »
Anna I am pleased for  you that  you were able to attend  your brother's funneral - and I will be thinking and praying for you as you go through this time when his loss is realized. All the memories flood back don't they - it sounds like you have strength in your family and I hope you can continue to call on that strength after you return home to Va.

The Wise Brothers by Edwin Arlington Robinson
FIRST VOICE

So long adrift, so fast aground,
What foam and ruin have we found—
We, the Wise Brothers?
Could heaven and earth be framed amiss,
That we should land in fine like this—
We, and no others?


SECOND VOICE

Convoyed by what accursèd thing
Made we this evil reckoning—
We, the Wise Brothers?
And if the failure be complete,
Why look we forward from defeat—
We, and what others?


THIRD VOICE

Blown far from harbors once in sight,
May we not, going far, go right,—
We, the Wise Brothers?
Companioned by the whirling spheres,
Have we no more than what appears—
We, and all others?
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #1580 on: June 21, 2010, 02:22:24 PM »
Babi the trick to reading the St. John of the Cross bits is to focus on the word Desire - not to eliminate all possessions or stop learning or - or - or - but rather not to expect a certain outcome.

In other words do not have a picture in your mind's eye of whatever you hope to possess - rather do the work or swim the waters or clear the table without a picture of what it will look like and feel like upon completion and in 'doing' life  in that matter you will be open for whatever the outcome -

There can be outcomes you never expected - some that feel good and some that bring pain but the trick is to act with faith in what is considered hope - hope in the unknown - rather than the kind of hope that is hoping for a certain outcome which St. John of the Cross says, hoping for a certain outcome is memory - in other words we have to have the idea and concept in our heads. Real Hope is based on a trust in the unknown - faith in real hope is without desire and as a result of suspending desire we will possess everything.

Yes, it does sound almost eastern in its message and that is why I hear so much similarity among the monastics of this world - regardless a Buddhist sitting in his cave for 30 years or a cloistered Cappuchian Friar in his cell in France.

I am thinking our conversation of the past week or two is right down the avenue of what Fairanna hoped for when she started the poetry discussion back in the 1990s on the old SeniorNet. She had something in the heading about this being a place we can share and uncover what is deepest in our hearts.  Have  you noticed some of the poets whose work we share and admire write from a place within that leans on their  spiritual self.  
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« Reply #1581 on: June 21, 2010, 02:30:58 PM »
If you want to be free,
Get to know your real self.
It has no form, no appearance,
No root, no basis, no abode,
But is lively and buoyant.
It responds with versatile facility,
But its function cannot be located.
Therefore when you look for it,
You become further from it;
When you seek it,
You turn away from it all the more.

- by Linji


Where beauty is, then there is ugliness;
where right is, also there is wrong.
Knowledge and ignorance are interdependent;
delusion and enlightenment condition each other.
Since olden times it has been so.
How could it be otherwise now?
Wanting to get rid of one and grab the other
is merely realizing a scene of stupidity.
Even if you speak of the wonder of it all,
how do you deal with each thing changing?

- by Ryokan-


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« Reply #1582 on: June 21, 2010, 02:39:03 PM »
The self addressed question: Wherefore sing...since nobody hears?”, Dickinson affirms; “My business is to sing”.

One of  her songs...

By intuition, Mighty Things
Assert themselves – and not by terms –
“I”m Midnight” – need the Midnight say –
“I”m Sunrise” – Need the Majesty?
Omnipotence – had not a Tongue –
His lisp – is lightning – and the sun –
His Conversation– with Sea –
“How shall you know”?
Consult your eye!


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« Reply #1583 on: June 22, 2010, 08:12:13 AM »
That is a very clear exposition, BARB. I can see the point in trusting
in the unknown, whatever it may be.  I recall one of Hindu paths to God
is to work, leaving the outcome to Him.

 Emily Dickinson always has something to say to us, doesn't she? Here's another:

   Hope is the Thing with Feathers
By: Emily Dickinson
 

"Hope" is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul
And sings the tune without the words
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land
And on the strangest sea,
Yet never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.


 
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« Reply #1584 on: June 23, 2010, 10:31:19 AM »
My good friend has several water colors incorporating the first few lines of Hope is the Thing with Feathers - such a gentle concept.

Here is a poem for summer - I love Gerard Manley Hopkins use of words - reading  his poems reminds me of throwing caution to the winds and talking with a mouth full of chocolate at risk of oozing down my chin...words like... 'branchy bunchy bushybowered'... 'downdolphinry'... 'Flinty kindcold'... 'froliclavish'

Epithalamion
          ~ by Gerard Manley Hopkins (1918)

Hark, hearer, hear what I do; lend a thought now, make believe
We are leafwhelmed somewhere with the hood
Of some branchy bunchy bushybowered wood,
Southern dene or Lancashire clough or Devon cleave,
That leans along the loins of hills, where a candycoloured, where a gluegold-brown
Marbled river, boisterously beautiful, between
Roots and rocks is danced and dandled, all in froth and waterblowballs, down.
We are there, when we hear a shout
That the hanging honeysuck, the dogeared hazels in the cover
Makes dither, makes hover
And the riot of a rout
Of, it must be, boys from the town
Bathing: it is summer’s sovereign good.

By there comes a listless stranger: beckoned by the noise
He drops towards the river: unseen
Sees the bevy of them, how the boys
With dare and with downdolphinry and bellbright bodies huddling out,
Are earthworld, airworld, waterworld thorough hurled, all by turn and turn about.

This garland of their gambols flashes in his breast
Into such a sudden zest
Of summertime joys
That he hies to a pool neighbouring; sees it is the best
There; sweetest, freshest, shadowiest;
Fairyland; silk-beech, scrolled ash, packed sycamore, wild wychelm, hornbeam fretty overstood
By. Rafts and rafts of flake-leaves light, dealt so, painted on the air,
Hang as still as hawk or hawkmoth, as the stars or as the angels there,
Like the thing that never knew the earth, never off roots
Rose. Here he feasts: lovely all is! No more: off with—down he dings
His bleachèd both and woolwoven wear:
Careless these in coloured wisp
All lie tumbled-to; then with loop-locks
Forward falling, forehead frowning, lips crisp
Over finger-teasing task, his twiny boots
Fast he opens, last he offwrings
Till walk the world he can with bare his feet
And come where lies a coffer, burly all of blocks
Built of chancequarrièd, selfquainèd rocks
And the water warbles over into, filleted with glassy grassy quicksilvery shivès and shoots
And with heavenfallen freshness down from moorland still brims,
Dark or daylight on and on. Here he will then, here he will the fleet
Flinty kindcold element let break across his limbs
Long. Where we leave him, froliclavish while he looks about him, laughs, swims.
Enough now; since the sacred matter that I mean
I should be wronging longer leaving it to float
Upon this only gambolling and echoing-of-earth note—
What is … the delightful dene?
Wedlock. What the water? Spousal love.

Father, mother, brothers, sisters, friends
Into fairy trees, wild flowers, wood ferns
Rankèd round the bower

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #1585 on: June 24, 2010, 09:22:09 AM »
I love it!  It's better than Jabberwocky; I can understand it!  What a
delightful way to start the day.   :D
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« Reply #1586 on: June 26, 2010, 12:16:14 PM »
A Victorian Poet seldom heard from any longer...

The Spirit
          ~ by Marion Reed

An ethereal embrace
Surrounds before it's on its way.
Unbeknownst to Spirit,
All former knowledge locked.
Born into a novel mind,
Spirit looks for life.
Finding love, pain, friends, joy...
Spirit and Mind together
Know life.

Inevitably
Torn from the seamless partnership
They worked for decades to secure,
Spirit and Mind disband.
Mind passes, joining body, sending Spirit on its way.
No embrace now,
Not this time.
Spirit must learn again
To be just Spirit.

Spirit remembers heartache.
Pain, suffering, loss and lonliness.

An ethereal embrace
Surrounds before it's on its way.
Unbeknownst to Spirit,
All former knowledge locked.

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #1587 on: June 26, 2010, 12:43:56 PM »
A trinity, Spirit, Mind and Body.  This one requires study, it's not intuitively resonating as some poems are.
Jackie
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« Reply #1588 on: June 27, 2010, 09:30:21 AM »
 It would help to know whether the poet considered knowledge as locked in, or locked out.  And while the brain is necessarily
part of the body, 'mind' is not, necessarily.  (Did that make sense?)

 Speaking of mind, this seems to me a very timely poem.
It's from R. Tagore.
 
Where The Mind is Without Fear 

     Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee
Into ever-widening thought and action
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake


 
 


 
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« Reply #1589 on: June 27, 2010, 11:57:44 AM »
Oh, Babi, that is one awesome prayer.  Thank you.
Jackie
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« Reply #1590 on: June 27, 2010, 03:22:04 PM »
Wow - I agree Jackie - awesome - Thanks Babi for sharing it - I had to look to find out who is R. Tagore - was I shocked to learn he is not only a Nobel Prize winner but he is considered as important to India as Ghandi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_Tagore -
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« Reply #1591 on: June 28, 2010, 09:14:15 AM »
 Seeing that he has written novels, essays and anthems, as well as Nobel-worthy poetry, I am
hoping to find some translations of his work.  There must be some, I'm just not sure my small
local library will carry them.  Still, I ought to be able to find something on the Web.
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« Reply #1592 on: June 28, 2010, 04:10:52 PM »
Summer night

Kobayashi Issa

Summer night--
even the stars
are whispering to each other.
Jackie
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

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« Reply #1593 on: June 28, 2010, 04:14:43 PM »
This one bears repeating
Summer in the South

Paul Laurence Dunbar

The Oriole sings in the greening grove
As if he were half-way waiting,
The rosebuds peep from their hoods of green,
Timid, and hesitating.
The rain comes down in a torrent sweep
And the nights smell warm and pinety,
The garden thrives, but the tender shoots
Are yellow-green and tiny.
Then a flash of sun on a waiting hill,
Streams laugh that erst were quiet,
The sky smiles down with a dazzling blue
And the woods run mad with riot.
Jackie
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

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« Reply #1594 on: June 28, 2010, 04:21:56 PM »
 Amy Lowell, according to family legend, is related as we are descended from one of her Lowell cousins.  This one is long but worth it, IMO:

Summer
by Amy Lowell

Some men there are who find in nature all
Their inspiration, hers the sympathy
Which spurs them on to any great endeavor,
To them the fields and woods are closest friends,
And they hold dear communion with the hills;
The voice of waters soothes them with its fall,
And the great winds bring healing in their sound.
To them a city is a prison house
Where pent up human forces labour and strive,
Where beauty dwells not, driven forth by man;
But where in winter they must live until
Summer gives back the spaces of the hills.
To me it is not so. I love the earth
And all the gifts of her so lavish hand:
Sunshine and flowers, rivers and rushing winds,
Thick branches swaying in a winter storm,
And moonlight playing in a boat's wide wake;
But more than these, and much, ah, how much more,
I love the very human heart of man.
Above me spreads the hot, blue mid-day sky,
Far down the hillside lies the sleeping lake
Lazily reflecting back the sun,
And scarcely ruffled by the little breeze
Which wanders idly through the nodding ferns.
The blue crest of the distant mountain, tops
The green crest of the hill on which I sit;
And it is summer, glorious, deep-toned summer,
The very crown of nature's changing year
When all her surging life is at its full.
To me alone it is a time of pause,
A void and silent space between two worlds,
When inspiration lags, and feeling sleeps,
Gathering strength for efforts yet to come.
For life alone is creator of life,
And closest contact with the human world
Is like a lantern shining in the night
To light me to a knowledge of myself.
I love the vivid life of winter months
In constant intercourse with human minds,
When every new experience is gain
And on all sides we feel the great world's heart;
The pulse and throb of life which makes us men!
Jackie
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« Reply #1595 on: June 29, 2010, 09:02:13 AM »
 Hey, Jackie, I like your little representative.  She looks like a white-
haired teenager.  ;)
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« Reply #1596 on: June 29, 2010, 11:34:49 AM »
Oh I l---ooo---vvv---e the Issa -  a delight and says so muich - i often think the summer stars look as if they are twinkling rather than what appears to be a frozen sky in winter. Twinkling stars or not the poem is too wonderful.
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« Reply #1597 on: June 29, 2010, 11:51:34 AM »
I have to find a few Haiku to add to our day...

Here is a new Japanese poet... Ichihara Masanao

Translation

while waiting -
shadows tread
on shadow



Unknown authors.

late to the office
my desk already piled high
with zucchini

Sweltering heat,sweat
No complains! Now days will be
Bright; Gay; Full of Shine.
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« Reply #1598 on: June 29, 2010, 03:40:59 PM »
Zucchini!!!!!  It's coming, stand back!  Garrison keillor says the good people of Lake Woebegone are careful to lock their cars when they go into church lest they find a bag of zucchini on the seat when they come out.
Jumping back in after a week on Cape Cod, an unheard of sixs straight days with no rain.  Will find a contribution soon. 
Loved the Gerard Manley Hopkins poem.  Did James Joyce read these poems as a youngster?  Must try to find out. He's got the same way with words.

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« Reply #1599 on: June 29, 2010, 10:32:06 PM »
A small but beautiful poem from a Greek poet - George Seferis

Denial

On the secret seashore
white like a pigeon
we thirsted at noon
but the water was brackish.

On the golden sand
we wrote her name;
but the sea breeze blew
and the writing vanished.

With what spirit, what heart,
what desire and passion
we lived our life:  a mistake!
So we changed our life.

This was one of the first poems I had to translate from Greek into English.  I also taught it to a classroom full of 14 year old girls:  all Greek girls.  I read it to them in Greek, and when I looked up they were crying.  
How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?  - Plato