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« Reply #1920 on: September 22, 2010, 11:17:10 AM »



The Apple Orchard


          ~ by Shawn Bailey

The dew-softened blades
of fescue wet my feet,
small brushstrokes of icy wetness
on my way to the orchard.
The sunlight scatters
the morning mist
that shelters the trees from
the horizon.
I spy the juicy red apples
lounging in the trees,
moist with dawn
and there are thousands of them.
Fruitful, edible decor.
 

Autumn Poetry

In this Discussion we share what stirs our heart -
Bring us a gift of a poem
Yours, or the work of another poet.



Discussion Leaders: Barb & fairanna
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« Reply #1921 on: September 22, 2010, 11:18:47 AM »
here is a short bio about Parsons from the Harvard online Library

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Thomas William Parsons (1819-1892) was a dentist, a poet, and translator of Dante's works. His early education was at the Boston Latin School though he did not graduate. In 1836 he visited Italy where he studied Italian literature and translated the first ten cantos of Dante's Inferno. He returned to Boston in 1837 and studied dentistry at the Harvard Medical School (though he did not receive a degree) and then practiced dentistry in Boston. In 1853 Harvard College granted him an honorary A.M. degree. In 1857 he married Anna (or Hannah) M. Allen (1821-1881). After 1872 he engaged in only literary pursuits chiefly in Boston, Scituate, and Wayland.

Parsons is known especially for his translation of Dante. In 1843 he printed anonymously the earliest published American translation of any considerable portion of Dante: The first ten cantos of the Inferno of Dante Alighieri: Newly translated into English verse. Boston: W.D. Ticknor (private printing), 1843. In later years he published the entire Inferno (1867), about two-thirds of the Purgatorio, and others. His most frequently quoted poem is "On a bust of Dante." It is said that Parsons served as the model for Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's "the Poet" in his Tales of a Wayside Inn.
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« Reply #1922 on: September 22, 2010, 11:34:03 AM »
here is another Thomas Hardy that is just a bit more upbeat...

The Youth Who Carried A Light

I saw him pass as the new day dawned,
Murmuring some musical phrase;
Horses were drinking and floundering in the pond,
And the tired stars thinned their gaze;
Yet these were not the spectacles at all that he conned,
But an inner one, giving out rays.

Such was the thing in his eye, walking there,
The very and visible thing,
A close light, displacing the gray of the morning air,
And the tokens that the dark was taking wing;
And was it not the radiance of a purpose rare
That might ripe to its accomplishing?

What became of that light? I wonder still its fate!
Was it quenched ere its full apogee?
Did it struggle frail and frailer to a beam emaciate?
Did it thrive till matured in verity?
Or did it travel on, to be a new young dreamer's freight,
And thence on infinitely?

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« Reply #1923 on: September 22, 2010, 12:13:17 PM »


One thing I appreciate is the ability to re read the poems and thoughts posted ..so I just spent the better part of an hour re reading page 48 and then appreciating Barbara's Hardy poem....I was reminded when reading the poems about hinges ,my husband's aunt, who was a school teacher and a great reader had a book, not a Bible ..that was held within an thin wooden chest..with hinges and a clasp to open it,....I dont recall what book was inside but it was a novel ..I loved Ithaka ...I would love to believe I would take all my good memories with me...and Virgil's poem is a perfect description of our present world and have lived long enough to know that it is a description of many time periods...and the Arab love song...I dont have a poem to share today but just enjoyed reading what has gone before ....may your days be special...love, anna

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« Reply #1924 on: September 22, 2010, 09:18:36 PM »
It doesnt matter how many poets I read I cant seem to find one who describes AUTUMN so I went to google and found the lyrics of Autumn in New York and remember Frank Sinatra singing it...so here goes Just be glad you cant hear me singing it because I CANT SING>>>.always, anna

Autumn in New York

Its time to end my holiday and bid the country a hasty farewell.
So on this gray and melancholy day, I'll move to a Manhatten hotel.
I'll dispose of my rose- coloured chattels and prepare for my share  of
adventures and battles.
Here on the twenty-seventh floor looking down on the city I hate and adore!

Autumn in New York, why does in seem so inviting?
Autumn in New York, it spells the thrill of first nighting
Glittering crowds and shimmering clouds in canyons of steel,
they're making me feel at home.
It's autumn in New York that brings the promise of new love, autumn in New York
Is often mingled with pain.
Dreamers with empty hands may sigh for exotic lands;
It's Autumn in New York,
It's good to live again....

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Right now I would settle for AUTUMN IN  VIRGINIA   

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« Reply #1925 on: September 22, 2010, 09:20:21 PM »
Babi - Evidently Hardy was once asked if he considered his books "pessimistic".  He replied that they are more "realistic" than "pessimistic".  Jude the Obscure is certainly one of the most visceral books I have read.  I would not recommend it for most folks.  There is no denying imho that he is a great writer, however.
How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?  - Plato

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« Reply #1926 on: September 23, 2010, 01:05:12 AM »
Two poems by Kenneth Fearing written in the 1930s.

Aphrodite Metropolis

Harry loves Myrtle--He has strong arms, from the warehouse,
And on Sunday when they take the bus to emerald meadows he doesn't say:
"What will your chastity amount to when your flesh withers in a little while?"
No,
On Sunday, when they picnic in emerald meadows they look at the Sunday paper:
GIRL SLAYS BANKER-BETRAYER
They spread it around on the grass
BATH-TUB STIRS JERSEY ROW
And then they sit down on it, nice.
Harry doesn't say "Ziggin's Ointment for withered flesh,
Cures thousands of men and women of motes, warts, red veins,
flabby throat, scalp and hair diseases,
Not expensive, and fully guaranteed."
No,
Harry says nothing at all,
He smiles,
And they kiss in the emerald meadows on the Sunday paper.


And this one written just before WWII when WWI was still fresh in the minds of those struggling with its damage.

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If you've ever escaped from a psychiatric ward,
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« Reply #1927 on: September 23, 2010, 08:38:27 AM »
ROSE, it has been my observation that people who call
themselves 'realistic' tend to have a gloomy view of life.
They may be right, but I'm much happier with my more
hopeful view.

  Oooh.  Mr. Fearing's "Ad" ought to damp some warlike ardor. He overstates his point, perhaps, but he states it most ferociously.


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« Reply #1928 on: September 23, 2010, 01:26:08 PM »
Another Ted Kooser poem   it reminded me of all the letters my husband and I exchanged over the years ..we tried to write every day when he was away....and the last line sort of says it all ...RAIN is forecast here I HOPE IT IS TRUE>

Pocket Poem

If this comes creased and creased again and soiled
as if I had opened it a thousand times
to see if what I'd written here was right,
it's all because I  looked too long for you
to put it in your pocket. Midnight says
the little gifts of lonliness come wrapped
by nervous fingers. What I wanted this
to say was that I want to be so close
that when you find it, it is warm from me.


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« Reply #1929 on: September 23, 2010, 01:59:46 PM »
Oh, my, fairanna, that Pocket Poem is absolutely wonderful!
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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« Reply #1930 on: September 23, 2010, 04:25:05 PM »
how poignent the Ted Kooser Pocket Poem - thanks Fairanna.

This one is long but oh it is just too perfect not to share...

Looking For Each Other
          ~  Thich Naht Hahn

 I have been looking for you, World Honored One,
since I was a little child.
With my first breath, I heard your call,
and began to look for you, Blessed One.
I've walked so many perilous paths,
confronted so many dangers,
endured despair, fear, hopes, and memories.
I've trekked to the farthest regions, immense and wild,
sailed the vast oceans,
traversed the highest summits, lost among the clouds.
I've lain dead, utterly alone,
on the sands of ancient deserts.
I've held in my heart so many tears of stone.

Blessed One, I've dreamed of drinking dewdrops
that sparkle with the light of far-off galaxies.
I've left footprints on celestial mountains
and screamed from the depths of Avici Hell, exhausted, crazed with despair
because I was so hungry, so thirsty.
For millions of lifetimes,
I've longed to see you,
but didn't know where to look.
Yet, I've always felt your presence with a mysterious certainty.

I know that for thousands of lifetimes,
you and I have been one,
and the distance between us is only a flash of though.
Just yesterday while walking alone,
I saw the old path strewn with Autumn leaves,
and the brilliant moon, hanging over the gate,
suddenly appeared like the image of an old friend.
And all the stars confirmed that you were there!
All night, the rain of compassion continued to fall,
while lightning flashed through my window
and a great storm arose,
as if Earth and Sky were in battle.
Finally in me the rain stopped, the clouds parted.
The moon returned,
shining peacefully, calming Earth and Sky.
Looking into the mirror of the moon, suddenly
I saw myself,
and I saw you smiling, Blessed One.
How strange!

The moon of freedom has returned to me,
everything I thought I had lost.
From that moment on,
and in each moment that followed,
I saw that nothing had gone.
There is nothing that should be restored.
Every flower, every stone, and every leaf recognize me.
Wherever I turn, I see you smiling
the smile of no-birth and no-death.
The smile I received while looking at the mirror of the moon.
I see you sitting there, solid as Mount Meru,
calm as my own breath,
sitting as though no raging fire storm ever occurred,
sitting in complete peace and freedom.
At last I have found you, Blessed One,
and I have found myself.
There I sit.

The deep blue sky,
the snow-capped mountains painted against the horizon,
and the shining red sun sing with joy.
You, Blessed One, are my first love.
The love that is always present, always pure, and freshly new.
And I shall never need a love that will be called “last.”
You are the source of well-being flowing through numberless troubled lives,
the water from you spiritual stream always pure, as it was in the beginning.
You are the source of peace,
solidity, and inner freedom.
You are the Buddha, the Tathagata.
With my one-pointed mind
I vow to nourish your solidity and freedom in myself
so I can offer solidity and freedom to countless others,
now and forever.



“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #1931 on: September 23, 2010, 08:32:29 PM »
Barbara - I loved Aphrodite Metropolis, the poem.  But thought the title divine.
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« Reply #1932 on: September 23, 2010, 10:35:27 PM »
Barbara  I loved this last poem you posted ..VERY MUCH  ends my day on a perfect note...

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« Reply #1933 on: September 23, 2010, 10:47:39 PM »
PS I CANT SEEM TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST IN BOLD   I  USED TO KNOW BUT OBVISIOUSLY I AM NOT DOING IT RIGHT ...HELP HELP

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« Reply #1934 on: September 23, 2010, 11:59:57 PM »
Anna put at the beginning of the sentence or poem the letter b between [ ] with no space between the letter and the parenthases - then at the very end of where  you want the bold to stop put /b between the [ ]

I tried to fix  your image put the entire URL was not in you  post for me to do it - but again before the url put the letters img between [ ] and then at the end of the  URL put /img between [ ]

In fact if you just want to put the url in  your post I can fix it for  you -
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« Reply #1935 on: September 24, 2010, 12:02:22 AM »
  Yes roshanarose, he does write with tongue in cheeck doesn't he - the title is fun and so ironic. She is just a pre-pill good girl...
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« Reply #1936 on: September 24, 2010, 12:06:00 PM »
this poem is discussed on-line as much as Robert Frost's poem about picking apples...

Apples
          ~ Laurie Lee

Behold the apples’ rounded worlds:
juice-green of July rain,
the black polestar of flowers, the rind
mapped with its crimson stain.

The russet, crab and cottage red
burn to the sun’s hot brass,
then drop like sweat from every branch
and bubble in the grass.

They lie as wanton as they fall,
and where they fall and break,
the stallion clamps his crunching jaws,
the starling stabs his beak.

In each plump gourd the cidery bite
of boys’ teeth tears the skin;
the waltzing wasp consumes his share,
the bent worm enters in.

I, with as easy hunger, take
entire my season’s dole;
welcome the ripe, the sweet, the sour,
the hollow and the whole.

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« Reply #1937 on: September 24, 2010, 12:14:56 PM »
Another Laurie Lee who died in 1997.

Town Owl

On eves of cold, when slow coal fires,
rooted in basements, burn and branch,
brushing with smoke the city air;
When quartered moons pale in the sky,
and neons glow along the dark
like deadly nightshade on a briar;
Above the muffled traffic then
I hear the owl, and at his note
I shudder in my private chair.
For like an auger he has come
to roost among our crumbling walls,
his blooded talons sheathed in fur.
Some secret lure of time it seems
has called him from his country wastes
to hunt a newer wasteland here.
And where the candlabra swung
bright with the dancers’ thousand eyes,
now his black, hooded pupils stare,
And where the silk-shoed lovers ran
with dust of diamonds in their hair,
he opens now his silent wing,
And, like a stroke of doom, drops down,
and swoops across the empty hall,
and plucks a quick mouse off the stair…
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« Reply #1938 on: September 24, 2010, 12:17:02 PM »
Of corse that is what I was thinking - not Laurie who is a man but Annabel - the Edgar Allen Poe poem

here goes...

Annabel Lee
          ~ Edgar Allan Poe

It was many and many a year ago,
In a kingdom by the sea,
That a maiden there lived whom you may know
By the name of Annabel Lee;
And this maiden she lived with no other thought
Than to love and be loved by me.

I was a child and she was a child,
In this kingdom by the sea:
But we loved with a love that was more than love -
I and my Annabel Lee;
With a love that the winged seraphs of heaven
Coveted her and me.

And this was the reason that, long ago,
In this kingdom by the sea,
A wind blew out of a cloud, chilling
My beautiful Annabel Lee;
So that her high-born kinsmen came
And bore her away from me,
To shut her up in a sepulchre
In this kingdom by the sea.

The angels, not half so happy in heaven,
Went envying her and me -
Yes! that was the reason (as all men know,
In this kingdom by the sea)
That the wind came out of the cloud one night,
Chilling and killing my Annabel Lee.

But our love it was stronger by far than the love
Of those who were older than we -
Of many far wiser than we -
And neither the angels in heaven above,
Nor the demons down under the sea,
Can ever dissever my soul from the soul
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;

For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side
Of my darling -my darling -my life and my bride,
In the sepulchre there by the sea -
In her tomb by the sounding sea.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #1939 on: September 24, 2010, 08:44:07 PM »
Edgar Allen Poe was one of the first poets I memorized  and I read his biography as well  What a surprise when we moved here to  Virginia  and found out he was stationed in the Army at historic  Ft Monroe....there is a picture of him and post about his duties ...He also had sessions at the Hotel there * forgotten it's name and read his poetry* there was a portrait at the hotel showing all the people (mostly ladies) sitting and watching him read..... I also memoriized BELLS BELLS etc It is such a dramatic poem for a young person to read and memorize....just checking to see if I have the BOLD where it should be,,,,anna

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« Reply #1940 on: September 24, 2010, 10:54:22 PM »
You did it - hurray for you...   :) ;)
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« Reply #1941 on: September 25, 2010, 09:46:14 AM »
 Miss Lee is good at setting a mood by the choice of words.
Choosing 'basements', 'crumbling walls', 'country wastes'.
  
  I've always loved "Annabel Lee". Poe's poetry always has such
a strong rhythm and echo to it, it's like rocking in a boat.
ANNA, I once read "Bells" to an audience of my mother and her
close friend and could not resist inserting, in that long list
of 'bells', the word "hell's".  Fortunately, they giggled before
looking prim and proper.



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« Reply #1942 on: September 25, 2010, 12:52:48 PM »
Babi Lee is a Mr. - here is a pretty good Bio - looks like he was an all 'round ladies man among  other things...
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SPlee.htm

With all the talk of Poe's The Bells looks like we need to include it here...

Hear the sledges with the bells -
Silver bells!
What a world of merriment their melody foretells!
How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle,
In the icy air of night!
While the stars that oversprinkle
All the heavens seem to twinkle
With a crystalline delight;
With a crystalline delight;
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells
From the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells -
From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.

II

Hear the mellow wedding bells -
Golden bells!
What a world of happiness their harmony foretells!
Through the balmy air of night
How they ring out their delight!
From the molten-golden notes,
And all in tune,
What a liquid ditty floats
To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats
On the moon!
Oh, from out the sounding cells
What a gush of euphony voluminously wells!
How it swells!
How it dwells
On the Future! -how it tells
Of the rapture that impels
To the swinging and the ringing
Of the bells, bells, bells,
Of the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells -
To the rhyming and the chiming of the bells!

III

Hear the loud alarum bells -
Brazen bells!
What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells!
In the startled ear of night
How they scream out their affright!
Too much horrified to speak,
They can only shriek, shriek,
Out of tune,
In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire,
In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire,
Leaping higher, higher, higher,
With a desperate desire,
And a resolute endeavor
Now -now to sit or never,
By the side of the pale-faced moon.
Oh, the bells, bells, bells!
What a tale their terror tells
Of despair!
How they clang, and clash, and roar!
What a horror they outpour
On the bosom of the palpitating air!
Yet the ear it fully knows,
By the twanging
And the clanging,
How the danger ebbs and flows;
Yet the ear distinctly tells,
In the jangling
And the wrangling,
How the danger sinks and swells,
By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the bells -
Of the bells,
Of the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells -
In the clamor and the clangor of the bells!

IV

Hear the tolling of the bells -
Iron bells!
What a world of solemn thought their monody compels!
In the silence of the night,
How we shiver with affright
At the melancholy menace of their tone!
For every sound that floats
From the rust within their throats
Is a groan.
And the people -ah, the people -
They that dwell up in the steeple,
All alone,
And who tolling, tolling, tolling,
In that muffled monotone,
Feel a glory in so rolling
On the human heart a stone -
They are neither man nor woman -
They are neither brute nor human -
They are Ghouls:
And their king it is who tolls;
And he rolls, rolls, rolls,
Rolls
A paean from the bells!
And his merry bosom swells
With the paean of the bells!
And he dances, and he yells;
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the paean of the bells,
Of the bells -
Keeping time, time, time,
In a sort of Runic rhyme,
To the throbbing of the bells,
Of the bells, bells, bells -
To the sobbing of the bells;
Keeping time, time, time,
As he knells, knells, knells,
In a happy Runic rhyme,
To the rolling of the bells,
Of the bells, bells, bells -
To the tolling of the bells,
Of the bells, bells, bells, bells,
Bells, bells, bells -
To the moaning and the groaning of the bells.

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #1943 on: September 26, 2010, 12:17:18 AM »
Barbara thanks so much for posting THE BELLS  I love the words ..how he uses some of the most interesting and perfect words to describe his ideas and his poetic story I think I loved it because it was SO DRAMATIC>..and when you were reciting it certainly had the attention of the listeners!hoping the bold works   :)

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« Reply #1944 on: September 26, 2010, 09:26:08 AM »
Ah, okay.  "Laurie" is not a name you often see for a man. Short for
Laurence, perhaps?

 Here's another strong example of rhythm in poetry, with shorter
lines than Poe uses.  They seem to me to echo a native American speech pattern, but I don't know if that's accurate or not.

    Hiawatha's Departure from The Song of Hiawatha
by  Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

By the shore of Gitchie Gumee,
By the shining Big-Sea-Water,
At the doorway of his wigwam,
In the pleasant Summer morning,
Hiawatha stood and waited.
All the air was full of freshness,
All the earth was bright and joyous,
And before him through the sunshine,
Westward toward the neighboring forest
Passed in golden swarms the Ahmo,
Passed the bees, the honey-makers,
Burning, singing in the sunshine.
Bright above him shown the heavens,
Level spread the lake before him;
From its bosom leaped the sturgeon,
Aparkling, flashing in the sunshine;
On its margin the great forest
Stood reflected in the water,
Every tree-top had its shadow,
Motionless beneath the water.
From the brow of Hiawatha
Gone was every trace of sorrow,
As the fog from off the water,
And the mist from off the meadow.
With a smile of joy and triumph,
With a look of exultation,
As of one who in a vision
Sees what is to be, but is not,
Stood and waited Hiawatha.
 
 

 


 
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« Reply #1945 on: September 26, 2010, 01:17:57 PM »
Ah Babi you shared one of my favorites - I have the complete Hiawatha saga in a big fat book and every year I am going to read the entire story but still have not accomplished the task. The Epic borrows from the life of the real Hiawatha who lived in the 14 century.

Longfellow rhymed using words from the Ojibway - although the story is about an Iroquois the Native American words are from the Minnesota Tribe - here is a nice site that shows the original word and its meaning and then how Longfellow used the word in his poem.
http://www.native-languages.org/hiawatha.htm

There is a Hiawatha national park in Minnesota established by President Roosevelt in 1909 that  has 6  wilderness areas - the only area I had heard about was the Mackinac Wilderness and it has been on my 'Bucket List' for many years - hmmm I better get serious if I am going to get there while I can still do some  hiking.

My father used to enjoy ringing out two poems in their entirety - Paul Rever's Ride and the Wreck of the Hesperus - both learned in the fourth grade and both with a decided beat which seems to be helpful to engaging an audience with a poem spoken from memory.
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« Reply #1946 on: September 26, 2010, 01:19:56 PM »
here is another bit from the poem when he is older that I have always loved...

Hiawatha's Departure

By the shore of Gitche Gumee,
By the shining Big-Sea-Water,
At the doorway of his wigwam,
In the pleasant Summer morning,
Hiawatha stood and waited.
All the air was full of freshness,
All the earth was bright and joyous,
And before him, through the sunshine,
Westward toward the neighboring forest
Passed in golden swarms the Ahmo,
Passed the bees, the honey-makers,
Burning, singing In the sunshine.
Bright above him shone the heavens,
Level spread the lake before him;
From its bosom leaped the sturgeon,
Sparkling, flashing in the sunshine;
On its margin the great forest
Stood reflected in the water,
Every tree-top had its shadow,
Motionless beneath the water.
From the brow of Hiawatha
Gone was every trace of sorrow,
As the fog from off the water,
As the mist from off the meadow.
With a smile of joy and triumph,
With a look of exultation,
As of one who in a vision
Sees what is to be, but is not,
Stood and waited Hiawatha.
Toward the sun his hands were lifted,
Both the palms spread out against it,
And between the parted fingers
Fell the sunshine on his features,
Flecked with light his naked shoulders,
As it falls and flecks an oak-tree
Through the rifted leaves and branches.
O'er the water floating, flying,
Something in the hazy distance,
Something in the mists of morning,
Loomed and lifted from the water,
Now seemed floating, now seemed flying,
Coming nearer, nearer, nearer.
Was it Shingebis the diver?
Or the pelican, the Shada?
Or the heron, the Shuh-shuh-gah?
Or the white goose, Waw-be-wawa,
With the water dripping, flashing,
From its glossy neck and feathers?
It was neither goose nor diver,
Neither pelican nor heron,
O'er the water floating, flying,
Through the shining mist of morning,
But a birch canoe with paddles,
Rising, sinking on the water,
Dripping, flashing in the sunshine;
And within it came a people
From the distant land of Wabun,
From the farthest realms of morning
Came the Black-Robe chief, the Prophet,
He the Priest of Prayer, the Pale-face,
With his guides and his companions.
And the noble Hiawatha,
With his hands aloft extended,
Held aloft in sign of welcome,
Waited, full of exultation,
Till the birch canoe with paddles
Grated on the shining pebbles,
Stranded on the sandy margin,
Till the Black-Robe chief, the Pale-face,
With the cross upon his bosom,
Landed on the sandy margin.
Then the joyous Hiawatha
Cried aloud and spake in this wise:
"Beautiful is the sun, O strangers,
When you come so far to see us!
All our town in peace awaits you,
All our doors stand open for you;
You shall enter all our wigwams,
For the heart's right hand we give you.
"Never bloomed the earth so gayly,
Never shone the sun so brightly,
As to-day they shine and blossom
When you come so far to see us!
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« Reply #1947 on: September 27, 2010, 08:40:43 AM »
BARB, that is fascinating. I wonder how Longfellow came to know the Ojibway language. I notice one word that is still used as a name today..."Winona".  I wonder if the Judd's knew it was Ojibway for eldest daughter?
  Thanks for posting another section of the poem; I really enjoyed it.  I can remember when I
was very young reading a sneering criticism of Longfellow and this poem and being very
disconcerted. Now I am old enough to feel free to trust my own judgment and ignore the
critic.
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« Reply #1948 on: September 27, 2010, 11:47:35 AM »
My goodness, 'Hiawatha" takes me back to schooldays when we learned a couple of passages.

I'm no expert on Longfellow let alone Indian Tribal legends but I'm curious as to how 'they' know that the real Hiawatha lived in the 14th century? I've also seen reference to him active in the 16th century. Either way it seems rather far back for an accurate dating from oral legend.
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« Reply #1949 on: September 27, 2010, 03:48:50 PM »
The Legend of the real Hiawatha is credited for gathering the tribes into a peace that created the Iroquois Confederacy - Since there is so much written history about the Iroquois Confederacy we have approximate dates - this is a legend and so some information is shrouded in myth - however Hiawatha lived further west and was found gathering shells on a lake by Chief Dekanawida from the eastern Mohawk Nation.

The Britannica says, Hiawatha was born in 1450 which would be the 15th century. Arthur C. Parker's in his Seneca Myths and Folk Tales says he met Chief Dekanawida in 1390. The dates offered in the many written accounts of the legend are anyplace between the 14C and the 17C.

The Iroquois Confederacy was very active in full hilt when the Dutch sailed up the Hudson and traded before they settled New Amsterdam [New York] in 1614–1674. There are records showing other traders in the area before the Dutch were on record finding the Hudson in 1609. The sophistication and unity within the Confederacy during these early encounters with Europeans show the Confederacy was a well oiled trading operation and so the dates for Hiawatha as founder had to be minimum the early 1500s

We would  have to research history because the dates would have to coinside with the lives of Tadadaho and Dekanawida - I have faith that Arthur C. Parker would have  Incorporated that kind of research in preparation for writing his book.

The legend says, it was Hiawatha's philosophy of tribes with like languages should not be at war with each other and when he spoke of his ideas to his people, Chief Tadadaho of the Onondaga tribe asked him to leave. And so, he was living by the Lake, alone, making wampum belts in which the type and color of shell were a message explaining his ideas for those who found the belts in the future.

Dekanawida asks him to accompany him and they tell first the Mohawk and then the other tribes in the area. That is the start of the formation of the Iroquois Confederacy. Dekanawida builds a long house in Albany as a symbol of the political structure of the confederacy -

I have omitted lots of details but that in essence is the legend and so much matches the history written by Europeans about the confederacy of which many of its laws and way of operation is reflected in the US Constitution far more than any borrowed legal thinking from European laws.
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« Reply #1950 on: September 27, 2010, 04:06:48 PM »
The Onondaga Madonna 
          ~ by Duncan Campbell Scott
 
  She stands full-throated and with careless pose,
This woman of a weird and waning race,
The tragic savage lurking in her face,
Where all her pagan passion burns and glows;
Her blood is mingled with her ancient foes,
And thrills with war and wildness in her veins;
Her rebel lips are dabbled with the stains
Of feuds and forays and her father's woes.

And closer in the shawl about her breast,
The latest promise of her nation's doom,
Paler than she her baby clings and lies,
The primal warrior gleaming from his eyes;
He sulks, and burdened with his infant gloom,
He draws his heavy brows and will not rest.


 
 
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« Reply #1951 on: September 27, 2010, 04:07:29 PM »
Mohawk Indian Prayer

Oh Great Spirit, Creator of all things;
Human Beings, trees, grass, berries.
Help us, be kind to us.
Let us be happy on earth.
Let us lead our children
To a good life and old age.
These our people; give them good minds
To love one another.
Oh Great Spirit,
Be kind to us
Give these people the favor
To see green trees,
Green grass, flowers, and berries
This next spring;
So we all meet again
Oh Great Spirit,
We ask of you.
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« Reply #1952 on: September 27, 2010, 04:16:54 PM »
THE CORN HUSKER
          ~ By Pauline Johnson-Tekahoniwake of the Six Nations Reservation, died 1913

Hard by the Indian lodges, where the bush
Breaks in a clearing, through ill-fashioned fields,
She comes to labor, when the first still hush
Of Autumn follows large and recent yields.
Age in her fingers, hunger in her face,
Her shoulders stooped with weight of work and years
But rich in tawny coloring of her race,
She comes a-field to strip the purple ears,
And all her thoughts are with the days gone by,
Ere Might's injustices banished from their lands
Her people, that to-day unheeded like,
Like the dead husks that rustle through her hands.


The Six Nations made up the Iroquois Confederacy.
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« Reply #1953 on: September 27, 2010, 05:47:26 PM »
Native American prayer. Sorry, I've lost the citation:

Red is the east;
It is where the daybreak star,
the star of knowledge appears.
Red is the rising sun
Bringing us a new day
New experiences.

We thank you, Great Spirit, for each new day
That we are allowed to live upon
Our Mother Earth

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« Reply #1954 on: September 27, 2010, 07:04:00 PM »
Oh what joy to visit here and read some of the poems from my past  How old I was I no longer know but Hiawatha I memorized a great deal of it and loved to say it to myself And I have read some of the history  Having been born with a curious mind and no sisters to interrupt my thinking I read so many books etc about Indians ....I did have five brothers but 3 were much older and two 3 and 6 years younger so my time was my own.....

A few years ago we discussed a single poet each month and now that I am cleaning house ( I should say  the mess that is my house ) I came across a small book of poems from a poet in California  Timothy Steele..he was very kind and visited our discussion and made comments ..so here is one of his.....
In an Eucalyptus Grove

Some small dark thing thrashed in the path;
And I dumbfounded and afraid,
Recoiling from it's agony,
Could not decipher , much less aid.

This lizard-was it?--or a young snake,
Yet even as I stood aghast
A long thin leaf spun down upon
And quelled the shadow it had cast.



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« Reply #1955 on: September 28, 2010, 08:24:42 AM »
 I like the Mohawk prayer. It has my idea of the right priorities.

 Isn't it interesting that New York's state capital is in Albany, the centre of the Iroquois Confederacy?  I doubt that is coincidence.  It must have already been associated in people's minds with a seat of government when the colony was deciding on a capital.

  I have some Cherokee in my ancestry, so I found this Cherokee poem.
 
    Blue Bird Song

 In the early morning mist
upon the thin frayed branch
Of the silver maple tree
Sits a beauty of Creation
He is named Bluebird by the Cherokee
He is one of many who carry the feather of healing
That comes from ancient ways
Through prayer and the Spirit

Ah Ho!

by Camile K. Bishop (Windsong)
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« Reply #1956 on: September 28, 2010, 12:33:33 PM »
I guess what I love best about a lot of poetry and especially Indian poetry  ,,they can say a lot in a few words..."cleaning " house I am uncovering in book cases, boxes, bags etc a lot of books of poetry...this morning I found a book by Caroline Kennedy ...My Favorite book for Children....but I have found in myself and many others  regardless of how old we are poetry speaks to us ..here is one from the book And I have seen the wild geese leaving in early fall and returning in early spring and am always thrilled to hear their call///
     Something told the wild geese

Something told the wild geese
It was time to go.
Though the fields lay golden
Something whispered,-"Snow".
Leaves were green and stirring,
Berries, luster-glossed,
But beneath warm feathers
Something cautioned,-"Frost."
All the sagging orchards,
Steamed with amber spice,
But each wild breast stiffened
At remembered ice,
Something told the wild geese
It was time to fly-
Summer sun was on their  wings,
Winter in their cry.

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« Reply #1957 on: September 28, 2010, 02:29:52 PM »
   An interesting morning here in Austin as we sat glued to the TV often hearing over and over similar reports - Most of these police and for sure the students weren't alive in 1966 but the shadow of that collective memory of the Whitman shootings from the UT tower sat heavy as most of the local newscasters reported without the usual excited staccato voiced hype but rather a slow deliberate almost emotionless reporting.

So many poems about Death however I really like what Mary Oliver has to say...

When Death Comes

When death comes
like the hungry bear in autumn;
when death comes and takes all the bright coins from his purse

to buy me, and snaps the purse shut;
when death comes
like the measle-pox

when death comes
like an iceberg between the shoulder blades,

I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering:
what is it going to be like, that cottage of darkness?

And therefore I look upon everything
as a brotherhood and a sisterhood,
and I look upon time as no more than an idea,
and I consider eternity as another possibility,

and I think of each life as a flower, as common
as a field daisy, and as singular,

and each name a comfortable music in the mouth,
tending, as all music does, toward silence,

and each body a lion of courage, and something
precious to the earth.

When it's over, I want to say all my life
I was a bride married to amazement.
I was the bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.

When it's over, I don't want to wonder
if I have made of my life something particular, and real.

I don't want to find myself sighing and frightened,
or full of argument.

I don't want to end up simply having visited this world


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« Reply #1958 on: September 29, 2010, 08:42:46 AM »
I loved the Mary Oliver poem, BARB.   It's one I'd like to save and read again from time to time.

  I didn't watch any new programs, yesterday, so I hadn't heard about the shootings in Austin.
 That poor young man.  He didn't injure anyone else in the end; just himself. Those who knew
him described him as emotionally reserved.  It sounds as though he was keeping too much
locked up inside. Such a sad waste.
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« Reply #1959 on: September 29, 2010, 09:57:50 AM »
BarbaraStAubrey: Thanks so much for enlightening me in regard to Hiawatha. I really have no real knowledge of the oral traditions and legends of the American Indian peoples - only the snippets one picks up here and there throughout one's life.  I guess it would be much the same if you were faced with the traditions, languages and cultures of the many indigenous peoples of Australia - the Pitjantjatjara tribe who live in the north around Uluru (Ayers Rock) or the Warlpiri (Central Aust) and closer to me the Nyungar people (South Western Australia) - Before white settlement there were some 400 distinct tribes all with their own tribal lands and complex cultures etc. - not sure how many are still around these days.

Anyway thanks again,  - I really appreciate you taking the time and trouble.
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