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« Reply #2880 on: August 15, 2011, 09:25:59 AM »
 Oh, I'm so glad you got that reply, ROSEMARY.  She did say she had some
family business to take care of.  I guess we just didn't imagine it taking this long.
Now I feel a bit foolish for becoming so concerned.  (I find it easier to do that as
I grow older.  :-[ )

 Back to poems.  I sighed over this one, considering how much we would love
to see rain here.

  "Open the window, and let the air
Freshly blow upon face and hair,
And fill the room, as it fills the night,
With the breath of the rain's sweet might.
Hark! the burthen, swift and prone!
And how the odorous limes are blown!
Stormy Love's abroad, and keeps
Hopeful coil for gentle sleeps.

Not a blink shall burn to-night
In my chamber, of sordid light;
Nought will I have, not a window-pane,
'Twixt me and the air and the great good rain,
Which ever shall sing me sharp lullabies;
And God's own darkness shall close mine eyes;
And I will sleep, with all things blest,
In the pure earth-shadow of natural rest."
-  James Henry Leigh Hunt, A Night Rain in Summer

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« Reply #2881 on: August 15, 2011, 01:17:11 PM »
Babi - that's not foolish at all, it's just showing kind concern for someone - I too wondered if she was OK, and that is why I had a look on Facebook.  I think it's really lovely that we on this site look out for one another.

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« Reply #2882 on: August 16, 2011, 08:34:08 AM »
 Thank you, ROSEMARY.  I treasure that,too.
   This seems an appropriate time for a old favorite of mine, Robert Frost.  I'm
sure I've posted this before, but it is worth repeating, I think.

   COME IN

As I came to the edge of the woods,
Thrush music--hark!
Now if it was dusk outside,
Inside it was dark.

Too dark in the woods for a bird
By sleight of wing
To better its perch for the night,
Though it still could sing.

The last of the light of the sun
That had died in the west
Still lived for one song more
In a thrush's breast.

Far in the pillared dark
Thrush music went--
Almost like a call to come in
To the dark and lament.

But no, I was out for stars:
I would not come in.
I meant not even if asked,
And I hadn't been.
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« Reply #2883 on: August 16, 2011, 07:54:24 PM »
I like that a lot. After dinner, I used to sit on my porch and listen to the thrush's evening song.

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« Reply #2884 on: August 17, 2011, 12:52:38 AM »
Golly you are all special and my absence happened so fast it was a whirl wind - I barely had time to notify family and left so much in the hands of a new young secretary - she is a gem.

Yep, my lungs were acting up and allergic to all but one anti-biotic it was not doing the trick - everything else that was tried the allergic reaction was more than acceptable and so to treat the reaction was not helping the problem with my lungs till the only solution suggested was I live with an oxygen tank that would have a mist of a form of the one anti-biotic I was tolerating - NOPE - I was NOT going through my life with a carry around oxygen tank - sorry that is not the quality of life I expect.  

Good friends have family who live in northern New Mexico and now we joke but like thieves in the night they came whisking in one evening - packed me up and we were off by midnight back to New Mexico to meet with a native healer they knew.

Spent several days in their home and visited the healer for a healing ceremony and some individual prayer and attention to my life.

I know you are all thinking voodoo - but for me the universe is connected and our health is not a separate commodity but our body is the outward [hate using the word but it does nail it] manifestation of our thoughts, feelings, will and soul.

I was given a cure that meant taking in the fresh air of creativity and decision making that is our freedom - and that our breathe is our freedom.

In order to ground myself in my breathe - my freedom - into the moment and surrender to it I needed to be in the fresh air dependent on my creativity and decision making to survive. That our arms are a direct link to our lungs and mine had been carrying too much weight for a long time.

The antidote was to unleash my creativity in fresh air - access the creator in me - rediscover my wild self - wild creativity would heal my breathe - free myself to the moon, the universe.

Creativity as in how we live in and maneuver through an uncertain world where every choice we make has an effect on us and the world around us.

And so hacking like a bad version of a TB patient - with a low grade fever I was up for anything - if it killed me - so be it - but I had a faith in this healer plus it reminded me too much of a quote from Cormac McCarthy...

"When one has nothing left make ceremonies out of the air and breathe upon them.”

And so someone I barely knew and who became a close friend accompanied me into the mountains for a good two weeks. We had very little with us and depended on our creativity for our daily existence.

Maybe it was just a vacation I needed - or being removed from all responsibilities - who knows and at this point I do not care to track down - however, if they hadn't whisked me off to this healer I may still be exhausted from coughing and spending more time than I wanted crawling up into bed -

I cannot say I am completely cured but the pain is gone and except for waking in the morning needing to cough I have my breathe again and a realization of my capabilities, the joy of re-capturing a prayer life and the realization that to stand upright, breathing deeply, walking the paths of life as we age we must be cautious of how heavy we stuff our backpack.

If it is too full we can take a few unexpected back-steps and fall like a turtle on our backs, arms flailing trying to get back up.  After removing all that we think we need to be comfortable we can try again and find we are bending low as if looking for gold - more removal.

After 20 minutes of walking our breath can come in labored gulps, our shoulders throb, hips ache leading to real discouragement questioning if our creative life-choice towards healing is too overwhelming, too difficult?

It all became a metaphor for my life - as I again left things in a stash on the side of the path - breathing freely and forced to be creative my arms dangled, swung, reached, was the handle to my hands that pounded, smoothed, tied, picked berries, flowers, pointed and were in the now taking care of me and sharing our care with my new friend.

It took days for my body to turn to rubber without aches and pains stiffening each step and lie down. My hip was grateful when we returned to town life that included things like aspirin. But I whittled past the sapwood and found my heartwood again and with it I am in awe at my breathe as my freedom - a constant reminder  to live life today, creatively, rather than worrying and carrying others so they will reach their goals.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2885 on: August 17, 2011, 03:22:11 AM »
Barb - great to have you back.  I think I understand what you are saying.  I am certainly quite sure that our health is linked to all the other aspects of our lives.  I hope that you continue to feel better, and not to take on too many of everyone else's burdens; I know how hard that is.

I wish you joy in your recovery, physical and spiritual.

Rosemary

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« Reply #2886 on: August 17, 2011, 04:35:11 AM »
Barbara : So good to see you once again. I knew you were having respiratory problems but thought it was pneumonia or some similar ailment. Allergies are the very devil and so often they are aggravated by stress and seemingly unrelated problems. So glad you took time to smell the daisies and let nature work its magic well away from your daily grind. Take care and don't start overloading that backpack again.
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« Reply #2887 on: August 17, 2011, 08:37:47 AM »
 Ah, Barb, what an excellent lesson for all of us. I don't doubt many of us
have over-stuffed backpacks.  I imagine the air of northern New Mexico is perfect
for learning to breathe again.  We're so glad to have you back.  Please tell your new
friend how much your old friends appreciate what she did for you.
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« Reply #2888 on: August 17, 2011, 03:42:27 PM »
We need poetry - the offerings of the past few weeks are great aren't they - Just have to start with Emily who can remind us an no other that summer is still with us...

Nature
LXIII

A SOMETHING in a summer’s day,   
As slow her flambeaux burn away,   
Which solemnizes me.   
 
A something in a summer’s noon,—   
An azure depth, a wordless tune,          
Transcending ecstasy.   
 
And still within a summer’s night   
A something so transporting bright,   
I clap my hands to see;   
 
Then veil my too inspecting face,          
Lest such a subtle, shimmering grace   
Flutter too far for me.   
 
The wizard-fingers never rest,   
The purple brook within the breast   
Still chafes its narrow bed;          
 
Still rears the East her amber flag,   
Guides still the sun along the crag   
His caravan of red,   
 
Like flowers that heard the tale of dews,   
But never deemed the dripping prize          
Awaited their low brows;   
 
Or bees, that thought the summer’s name   
Some rumor of delirium   
No summer could for them;   
 
Or Arctic creature, dimly stirred          
By tropic hint,—some travelled bird   
Imported to the wood;   
 
Or wind’s bright signal to the ear,   
Making that homely and severe,   
Contented, known, before          
 
The heaven unexpected came,   
To lives that thought their worshipping   
A too presumptuous psalm.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2889 on: August 17, 2011, 03:44:22 PM »
LOVE
XL

SUMMER for thee grant I may be   
  When summer days are flown!   
Thy music still when whippoorwill   
  And oriole are done!   
 
For thee to bloom, I ’ll skip the tomb          
  And sow my blossoms o’er!   
Pray gather me, Anemone,   
  Thy flower forevermore!
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« Reply #2890 on: August 17, 2011, 03:47:04 PM »
Love
XIII

THERE came a day at summer’s full   
Entirely for me;   
I thought that such were for the saints,   
Where revelations be.   
 
The sun, as common, went abroad,          
The flowers, accustomed, blew,   
As if no sail the solstice passed   
That maketh all things new.   
 
The time was scarce profaned by speech;   
The symbol of a word          
Was needless, as at sacrament   
The wardrobe of our Lord.   
 
Each was to each the sealed church,   
Permitted to commune this time,   
Lest we too awkward show          
At supper of the Lamb.   
 
The hours slid fast, as hours will,   
Clutched tight by greedy hands;   
So faces on two decks look back,   
Bound to opposing lands.          
 
And so, when all the time had failed,   
Without external sound,   
Each bound the other’s crucifix,   
We gave no other bond.   
 
Sufficient troth that we shall rise—          
Deposed, at length, the grave—   
To that new marriage, justified   
Through Calvaries of Love!
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« Reply #2891 on: August 17, 2011, 03:53:13 PM »
And a little Thoreau to wrap up the day...

  I have met with but one or two persons in the course of my life who understood the art of Walking, that is, of taking walks,—who had a genius, so to speak, for sauntering: which word is beautifully derived from “idle people who roved about the country, in the Middle Ages, and asked charity, under pretence of going à la Sainte Terre,” to the Holy Land, till the children exclaimed, “There goes a Sainte-Terrer,” a Saunterer, a Holy-Lander.

They who never go to the Holy Land in their walks, as they pretend, are indeed mere idlers and vagabonds; but they who do go there are saunterers in the good sense, such as I mean.

Some, however, would derive the word form sans terre, without land or a home, which, therefore, in the good sense, will mean, having no particular home, but equally at home everywhere.

For this is the secret of successful sauntering. He who sits still in a house all the time may be the greatest vagrant of all; but the saunterer, in the good sense, is no more vagrant than the meandering river, which is all the while sedulously seeking the shortest course to the sea.
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« Reply #2892 on: August 18, 2011, 08:29:43 AM »
I love Emily. It must be nice to have summers that are so enjoyable, instead
of the staggering heat we have to avoid down South.  Of course, we have the
mild winters, too. Mustn't complain.
  And thank you for that lovely bit from Thoreau. The only thing of his I've read is
'On Walden Pond'.  Where is this from?
 
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« Reply #2893 on: August 18, 2011, 01:49:21 PM »
Babi the Thoreau bit is from "Walking" - I believe you can find the book online.

Here is a different expression for summer - oh my...

Summer Droops
from Summer’s Last Will and Testament by Thomas Nashe (1600)

Fair summer droops, droop men and beasts therefore,
So fair a summer look for nevermore:
    All good things vanish less than in a day,
    Peace, plenty, pleasure, suddenly decay.
        Go not yet away, bright soul of the sad year,
        The earth is hell when thou leav’st to appear.

What, shall those flowers that decked thy garland erst,
Upon thy grave be wastefully dispersed?
    O trees, consume your sap in sorrow’s source,
    Streams, turn to tears your tributary course.
        Go not yet hence, bright soul of the sad year,
        The earth is hell when thou leav’st to appea
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« Reply #2894 on: August 19, 2011, 08:24:20 AM »
  Oh, my, indeed.  Mr. Nashe is not a happy man.  Would he like this fellow poet,
do you suppose?

 Happy the man 
         by John Dryden

    Happy the man, and happy he alone,
He who can call today his own:
He who, secure within, can say,
Tomorrow do thy worst, for I have lived today.
Be fair or foul or rain or shine
The joys I have possessed, in spite of fate, are mine.
Not Heaven itself upon the past has power,
But what has been, has been, and I have had my hour
 
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« Reply #2895 on: August 19, 2011, 09:53:07 AM »
I became more curious about Nashe thinking maybe he was responding to the Black Death - but the next London plague wasn't till 1603 after his death in 1601 - the same year of the death of Queen Elizabeth.

I found this bit that seems to explain a bit more about the long poem from which "Summer Droops" is extracted.
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Nashe produced his more famous works. While staying in the household of Archbishop John Whitgift at Croydon in October 1592 he wrote an entertainment called Summer's Last Will and Testament, a "show" with some resemblance to a masque. In brief, the plot describes the death of Summer, who, feeling himself to be dying, reviews the performance of his former servants and eventually passes the crown on to Autumn.
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« Reply #2896 on: August 19, 2011, 10:04:02 AM »
Evidently there was a new portrait found of Dryden and it is on display at the National Gallery in London

http://tinyurl.com/csmpn7

I did not know he was the first Poet Laureate.

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After John Donne and John Milton, John Dryden was the greatest English poet of the seventeenth century. After William Shakespeare and Ben Jonson, he was the greatest playwright. And he has no peer as a writer of prose, especially literary criticism, and as a translator.

Other figures, such as George Herbert or Andrew Marvell or William Wycherley or William Congreve, may figure more prominently in anthologies and literary histories, but Dryden's sustained output in both poetry and drama ranks him higher.

After Shakespeare, he wrote the greatest heroic play of the century,  The Conquest of Granada (1670, 1671), and the greatest tragicomedy, Marriage A-la-Mode  (1671). He wrote the greatest tragedy of the Restoration, All for Love (1677), the greatest comitragedy, Don Sebastian (1689), and one of the greatest comedies, Amphitryon (1690).

As a writer of prose he developed a lucid professional style, relying essentially on patterns and rhythms of everyday speech. As a critic he developed a combination of methods—historical, analytical, evaluative, dialogic—that proved enabling to neoclassical theory.

As a translator he developed an easy manner of what he called paraphrase that produced brilliant versions of Homer, Lucretius, Horace, Ovid, Juvenal, Persius, Giovanni Boccaccio, Geoffrey Chaucer, and above all Virgil. His translation of The Aeneid remains the best ever produced in English.

As a poet he perfected the heroic couplet, sprinkling it with judicious enjambments, triplets, and metric variations and bequeathing it to Alexander Pope to work upon it his own magic.
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« Reply #2897 on: August 19, 2011, 11:00:52 PM »
Interesting that we're not familiar with any of those plays (are you?)

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« Reply #2898 on: August 20, 2011, 01:01:06 AM »
I agree Joan - never heard of these plays although as a contemporary of Shakespeare it is understandable - I did find the play on Gutenberg but it is a slog to understand - and at $85 the book version available through Amazon is beyond my monthly stipend for books.

A professor from a University in Jordan has an interesting PDF of the 'Granada' play pointing out how Dryden's concept of Jealousy was not limited to sexual conquests and therefore more in line of our modern views on Jealousy - he pulls the play apart proving his thesis so that you get an overall of the play.

http://journals.yu.edu.jo/jjmll/Issues/Vo1No1_2008PDF/John%20Dryden%E2%80%99s.pdf
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« Reply #2899 on: August 20, 2011, 08:16:40 AM »
I didn't either, BARB. Didn't know he was a playwright, either. I seem to vaguely
recall having seen the title, 'Amphitron', but other than that I've never heard
of any of his plays 'Sustained output' apparently won't cut if for longevity. We
see more of his poetry, obviously.
  I am impressed by his reputation as a translator.  I think, for our future
Classics discussions, I'll try to find translations by him if possible.

 I found this amusing little poem from 'Amphitryon'.
SONG FROM AMPHITRYON
      by: John Dryden

FAIR Iris I love, and hourly I die,
But not for a lip, nor a languishing eye:
She's fickle and false, and there we agree,
For I am as false and as fickle as she.
We neither believe what either can say;
And, neither believing, we neither betray.
'Tis civil to swear, and say things of course;
We mean not the taking for better or worse.
When present, we love; when absent, agree:
I think not of Iris, nor Iris of me.
The legend of love no couple can find,
So easy to part, or so equally join'd.

 
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« Reply #2900 on: August 20, 2011, 10:36:19 AM »
Always trying to catch up...

loved Thoreau's piece on 'sauntering'  - the derivation looks interesting to follow up

I read All for Love and Amphitron around the time I was reading the Restoration period - don't recall a great deal about them...
I still have my copy of Dryden's Aeneid which I've read a couple of times but long ago - It's widely acknowledged as the yardstick  -

We cannot call ourselves acquainted with English poetry in Dryden's age and in the next unless we have read his translation of the Aeneid

So says the editor, Robert Fitzgerald (1964) who goes on to say that:

He (Dryden) was not narrowly a man of his time in the way Rochester was, for example. He admired and drew upon Spenser, Shakespeare and Jonson. He appreciated Donne's Satires, and the Metaphysical poets contributed something to his style

I really am looking forward to the day that Ginny bites the bullet and offers to lead an Aeneid discussion.
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« Reply #2901 on: August 22, 2011, 09:12:36 AM »
Well change of subject - today is the fist day of school here and in NC - I wonder if it is so for the rest of the nation.

First Day of School poem

She started school this morning,
And she seemed so very small.
As I walked there beside her
In the Kindergarten hall.

And as she took her place beside
the others in the class,
I realized how all too soon
Those first few years can pass.

Remembering, I saw her as
She first learned how to walk.
The words that we alone made out
When she began to talk.

This little girl so much absorbed
In learning how to write.
It seems as though she must have grown
To girlhood overnight.

My eyes were blurred by hastily
I brushed the tears away
Lest by some word or sign of mine
I mar her first big day.

Oh how I longed to stay with her
And keep her by the hand
To lead her through the places
That she couldn’t understand.

And something closely kin to fear
Was mingled with my pride.
I knew she would no longer be
A baby by my side.

But she must have her chance to live,
To work her problems out,
The privilege to grow and learn
What life is all about.

And I must share my little girl
With friends and work and play;
She’s not a baby anymore –
She’s in Kindergarten today.


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« Reply #2902 on: August 22, 2011, 09:14:18 AM »
And on this new season that includes a daily schedule of school many a parent will want to...

Sing -- Sing -- Music Was Given
          ~ by Thomas Moore

Sing -- sing -- Music was given
To brighten the gay, and kindle the loving;
Souls here, like planets in heaven,
By harmony's laws alone are kept moving.
Beauty may boast of her eyes and her cheeks,
But Love from the lips his true archery wings;
And she, who but feathers the dart when she speaks,
At once sends it home to the heart when she sings.
Then sing -- sing -- Music was given,
To brighten the gay, and kindle the loving;
Souls here, like planets in heaven,
By harmony's laws alone are kept moving.

When Love, rock'd by his mother,
Lay sleeping as calm as slumber could make him,
"Hush, hush," said Venus, "no other
Sweet voice but his own is worthy to wake him."
Dreaming of music he slumber'd the while,
Till faint from his lip a soft melody broke,
And Venus, enchanted, look'd on with a smile,
While Love to his own sweet singing awoke.
Then sing -- sing -- Music was given,
To brighten the gay, and kindle the loving;
Souls here, like planets in heaven,
By harmony's laws alone are kept moving.
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« Reply #2903 on: August 22, 2011, 11:44:46 AM »
Barb - that first day of Kindergarten poem brought a big lump to my throat.  My daughters have not gone back to school yet, but I remember their first days so well - the elder one so keen to learn, the little one so terrified and wanting to stay at home.  It does break you heart a little to have to expose them to the big bad world.

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« Reply #2904 on: August 23, 2011, 08:18:40 AM »
I think it may be, BARB. I noticed a child and Mom at the bus pickup site outside my
window this morning, but thought it was too soon for school. I guess it's not. I swear
the elem. kids look younger every year. Some of them do look like babies to me. Wonder
why that is?   ???  :)
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« Reply #2905 on: August 23, 2011, 02:23:19 PM »
It is still a fantasy for me but I would like to imagine the school day as being a long conversation about ideas new to students - sadly many a student is dealing with so much personal and family trauma they are lucky to fill a seat where they are asked to memorize what is expected without delving into their inner most thoughts to carry on a conversation... but to nurse my fantasy I want to spend some time looking for poems and poets that wrote as or about a conversation.

Conversation
          ~ by Ai


We smile at each other
and I lean back against the wicker couch.
How does it feel to be dead? I say.
You touch my knees with your blue fingers.
And when you open your mouth,
a ball of yellow light falls to the floor
and burns a hole through it.
Don't tell me, I say. I don't want to hear.
Did you ever, you start,
wear a certain kind of dress
and just by accident,
so inconsequential you barely notice it,
your fingers graze that dress
and you hear the sound of a knife cutting paper,
you see it too
and you realize how that image
is simply the extension of another image,
that your own life
is a chain of words
that one day will snap.
Words, you say, young girls in a circle, holding hands,
and beginning to rise heavenward
in their confirmation dresses,
like white helium balloons,
the wreathes of flowers on their heads spinning,
and above all that,
that's where I'm floating,
and that's what it's like
only ten times clearer,
ten times more horrible.
Could anyone alive survive it?


“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2906 on: August 23, 2011, 09:53:10 PM »
Barb - A beautiful poem.  Is Ai Japanese?

One of my vivid memories of kindergarten was the day my cat had kittens.  A very exciting event then, and now.  I was late for school and my teacher asked me why I was late.  I told her that my cat had had kittens.  She looked sternly at me and said "Well.  Don't let it happen again."  This was one of my mother's favourite stories about me.  Mum could never fathom whether the teacher meant that the cat shouldn't have kittens again, or that I shouldn't be late again. 8)
How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?  - Plato

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« Reply #2907 on: August 24, 2011, 08:47:39 AM »
 It had never occurred to me that 'conversation' would make a topic for a poem. Lo, and
behold,...Coleridge had an entire group (eight) of poems called the 'conversation poems'.
All of them, apparently, quite long.
Quote
The series title was devised to describe verse where Coleridge incorporates conversational
language while examining higher ideas of nature and morality. The works are held together
by common themes..."
from Wikipedia

 What do you think of this one from a lady named Elizabeth Bishop.

   CONVERSATION

 The tumult in the heart
keeps asking questions.
And then it stops and undertakes to answer
in the same tone of voice.
No one could tell the difference. 

Uninnocent, these conversations start,
and then engage the senses,
only half-meaning to.
And then there is no choice,
and then there is no sense;

until a name
and all its connotation are the same.



"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #2908 on: August 24, 2011, 10:35:17 AM »
Yes, I saw that on Coleridge - interesting - got waylaid and did not have time to search out the 8 poems but will - I vaguely knew he and Wordsworth were good friends but something I read about the conversation poems of Coleridge brought Wordsworth into the article - Oh I know - it was when Coleridge had to stay behind as they all took a long walk and he wrote a poem imagining their conversation on this walk - anyhow it explained how Wordsworth preferred an isolated life that he did not feel comfortable with people. I have a book of his sister's poems who did seem to be his best friend but then he had Coleridge and a few others as friends so I am not seeing this isolated man.

Seems to me one of the eight poems attributed to Coleridge as a conversational poem is one of his Ode's - need to find it because I am recalling it was not so long that we could not enjoy it here in its entirety.

The Elizabeth Bishop is a lovely little gem isn't it...
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« Reply #2909 on: August 25, 2011, 08:52:20 AM »
 Not isolated, perhaps, but of a retiring nature.  He may have enjoyed the company of a few friends, but avoided large affairs and meeting new people.
His most well-known line is probably, " I wandered lonely as a cloud.."  A cloud is definitely 'above it all', wouldn't you think?
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« Reply #2910 on: August 25, 2011, 10:07:42 AM »
Found one of the eight - the Eolian Harp - Composed at Clevedon, Somersetshire

My pensive Sara! thy soft cheek reclined
Thus on mine arm, most soothing sweet it is
To sit beside our Cot, our Cot o'ergrown
With white-flower'd Jasmin, and the broad-leav'd Myrtle,
(Meet emblems they of Innocence and Love!)
And watch the clouds, that late were rich with light,
Slow saddening round, and mark the star of eve
Serenely brilliant (such should Wisdom be)
Shine opposite! How exquisite the scents
Snatch'd from yon bean-field! and the world is hushed!
The stilly murmur of the distant Sea
Tells us of silence.

And that simplest Lute,
Placed length-ways in the clasping casement, hark!
How by the desultory breeze caress'd,
Like some coy maid half yielding to her lover,
It pours such sweet upbraiding, as must needs
Tempt to repeat the wrong! And now, its strings
Boldlier swept, the long sequacious notes
Over delicious surges sink and rise,
Such a soft floating witchery of sound
As twilight Elfins make, when they at eve
Voyage on gentle gales from Fairy-Land,
Where Melodies round honey-dripping flowers,
Footless and wild, like birds of Paradise,
Nor pause, nor perch, hovering on untam'd wing!
O! the one Life within us and abroad,
Which meets all motion and becomes its soul,
A light in sound, a sound-like power in light,
Rhythm in all thought, and joyance every where—
Methinks, it should have been impossible
Not to love all things in a world so fill'd;
Where the breeze warbles, and the mute still air
Is Music slumbering on her instrument.

And thus, my Love! as on the midway slope
Of yonder hill I stretch my limbs at noon,
Whilst through my half-clos'd eye-lids I behold
The sunbeams dance, like diamonds, on the main.
And tranquil muse upon tranquillity;
Full many a thought uncall'd and undetain'd,
And many idle flitting phantasies,
Traverse my indolent and passive brain,
As wild and various as the random gales
That swell and flutter on this subject Lute!
And what if all of animated nature
Be but organic Harps diversely fram'd,
That tremble into thought, as o'er them sweeps
Plastic and vast, one intellectual breeze,
At once the Soul of each, and God of all?
But thy more serious eye a mild reproof
Darts, O belovéd Woman! nor such thoughts
Dim and unhallow'd dost thou not reject,
And biddest me walk humbly with my God.
Meek Daughter in the family of Christ!
Well hast thou said and holily disprais'd
These shapings of the unregenerate mind;
Bubbles that glitter as they rise and break
On vain Philosophy's aye-babbling spring.
For never guiltless may I speak of him,
The Incomprehensible! save when with awe
I praise him, and with Faith that inly feels;
Who with his saving mercies healéd me,
A sinful and most miserable man,
Wilder'd and dark, and gave me to possess
Peace, and this Cot, and thee, heart-honour'd Maid!
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2911 on: August 25, 2011, 03:27:14 PM »
Last day to vote on which classic to read next.

VOTE HERE http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=2395.80

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« Reply #2912 on: August 26, 2011, 04:20:20 AM »
This is the poem that started it all for Coleridge's conversational poems

This Lime-Tree Bower my Prison
          [Addressed to Charles Lamb, of the India House, London]

Well, they are gone, and here must I remain,
This lime-tree bower my prison! I have lost
Beauties and feelings, such as would have been
Most sweet to my remembrance even when age
Had dimm'd mine eyes to blindness! They, meanwhile,
Friends, whom I never more may meet again,
On springy heath, along the hill-top edge,
Wander in gladness, and wind down, perchance,
To that still roaring dell, of which I told;
The roaring dell, o'erwooded, narrow, deep,
And only specked by the mid-day sun;
Where its slim trunk the ash from rock to rock
Flings arching like a bridge; that branchless ash,
Unsunn'd and damp, whose few poor yellow leaves
Ne'er tremble in the gale, yet tremble still,
Fann'd by the water-fall! and there my friends
Behold the dark green file of long lank weeds,
That all at once (a most fantastic sight!)
Still nod and drip beneath the dripping edge
Of the blue clay-stone.

Now, my friends emerge

Beneath the wide wide Heaven and view again
The many-steepled tract magnificent
Of hilly fields and meadows, and the sea,
With some fair bark, perhaps, whose sails light up
The slip of smooth clear blue betwixt two Isles
Of purple shadow! Yes! they wander on
In gladness all; but thou, methinks, most glad,
My gentle-hearted Charles! for thou hast pined
And hunger'd after Nature, many a year,
In the great City pent, winning thy way
With sad yet patient soul, through evil and pain
And strange calamity! Ah! Slowly sink
Behind the western ridge, thou glorious Sun!
Shine in the slant beams of the sinking orb,
Ye purple heath-flowers! richlier burn, ye clouds!
Live in the yellow light, ye distant groves!
And kindle, thou blue Ocean! So my friend
Struck with deep joy may stand, as I have stood,
Silent with swimming sense; yea, gazing round
On the wide landscape, gaze till all doth seem
Less gross than bodily; and of such hues
As veil the Almighty Spirit, when yet he makes
Spirits perceive his presence.

A delight

Comes sudden on my heart, and I am glad
As I myself were there! Nor in this bower,
This little lime-tree bower, have I not mark'd
Much that has sooth'd me. Pale beneath the blaze
Hung the transparent foliage; and I watch'd
Some broad and sunny leaf, and lov'd to see
The shadow of the leaf and stem above
Dappling its sunshine! And that walnut-tree
Was richly ting'd, and a deep radiance lay
Full on the ancient ivy, which usurps
Those fronting elms, and now, with blackest mass
Makes their dark branches gleam a lighter hue
Through the late twilight: and though now the bat
Wheels silent by, and not a swallow twitters,
Yet still the solitary humble-bee
Sings in the bean-flower! Henceforth I shall know
That Nature ne'er deserts the wise and pure;
No plot so narrow, be but Nature there,
No waste so vacant, but may well employ
Each faculty of sense, and keep the heart
Awake to love and Beauty! and sometimes
'Tis well to be bereft of promis'd good,
That we may lift the soul, and contemplate
With lively joy the joys we cannot share.
My gentle-hearted Charles! when the last rook
Beat its straight path along the dusky air
Homewards, I blest it! deeming its black wing
(Now a dim speck, now vanishing in light)
Had cross'd the mighty Orb's dilated glory,
While thou stood'st gazing or, when all was still,
Flew creeking o'er thy head, and had a charm
For thee, my gentle-hearted Charles, to whom
No sound is dissonant which tells of Life.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2913 on: August 26, 2011, 08:48:27 AM »
 BARB, I had to pause to read the 'Harp' aloud to myself. It was such a pleasure,
more so than simply reading.   No question, thought.  Reading the 'conversation' poems
would require ample free sitting time.  Before I finished "The Lime-Bower",  I was beginning
to grow impatient.  That seems to be symptomatic, with me, of growing older and becoming
aware of less time.  Do you ever find yourself suddenly thinking of something you've never
done or experienced, and wondering if perhaps you still could?
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #2914 on: August 26, 2011, 12:33:30 PM »
Oh yes, yes, yes, there are so many things I still want to do and now I am concerned I will have the body that allows me to fulfill these wants - then I look at the time in my life and realistically can only imagine 10 to 12 good years - probably more but not really good in that by then I will be in my 90s and limited - then I look at how I am spending my time and often rue the fact I am doing this or that and would prefer to be doing other things - but then isn't that the story of our life - Life is like a buffet line and where I can put together a nice meal there is always the wish I could stuff more of the goodies I see into my tummy.

I have always thought the antsys as I call them in myself and my kids was our creativity poking us into either action or a thought action like a train that takes us away from the station we are temporarily stopped at.

Poem, novel, history - it matters not - as I am reading I always go into a reverie of thoughts that at times is hitting a memory button and other times the author brings out a new realization that I automatically run through how my life can be or was affected - Babi reading is a full time occupation isn't it... I always think watching TV or a movie is like time standing still where as reading is full time action if only in our brains.
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« Reply #2915 on: August 27, 2011, 03:58:52 AM »
Barbara: I think the difference between reading and watching a film or TV lies in the fact that with film you're watching someone else's interpretation of whatever whereas with reading there is nothing between you and the written word and your interpretation is everything.

And yes, Babi we do have so much less time remaining - and the awareness of that grows daily. No time to fritter away but still time 'to stand and stare' now and again.

And if only I now had the physical strength of even a few years ago ...
Reading is an art and the reader an artist. Holbrook Jackson

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« Reply #2916 on: August 27, 2011, 08:31:39 AM »
 Books, film or TV, they can all take us out of the present for a while, so that
is like time standing still. I agree with what you said, GUM, except I think it's
more like taking time of stop and look about with wonder.
  We never know, when we are younger, what may overtake us as we grow older. The
optimistic souls like me always assumed we'd be able to do what we wanted, even as
we aged. Sadly, not so. On the other hand, being of an optimistic nature does make
living with it easier.  :)
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #2917 on: August 27, 2011, 04:48:06 PM »
The conversation of prayers
          ~ Dylan Thomas

The conversation of prayers about to be said
By the child going to bed and the man on the stairs
Who climbs to his dying love in her high room,
The one not caring to whom in his sleep he will move
And the other full of tears that she will be dead,

Turns in the dark on the sound they know will arise
Into the answering skies from the green ground,
From the man on the stairs and the child by his bed.
The sound about to be said in the two prayers
For the sleep in a safe land and the love who dies

Will be the same grief flying. Whom shall they calm?
Shall the child sleep unharmed or the man be crying?
The conversation of prayers about to be said
Turns on the quick and the dead, and the man on the stair
To-night shall find no dying but alive and warm

In the fire of his care his love in the high room.
And the child not caring to whom he climbs his prayer
Shall drown in a grief as deep as his made grave,
And mark the dark eyed wave, through the eyes of sleep,
Dragging him up the stairs to one who lies dead.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2918 on: August 27, 2011, 04:52:04 PM »
Telephone Conversation
         ~ by Wole Soyinka

The price seemed reasonable, location
Indifferent. The landlady swore she lived
Off premises. Nothing remained
But self-confession. "Madame," I warned,
"I hate a wasted journey—I am African."
Silence. Silenced transmission of
Pressurized good breeding. Voice, when it came,
Lipstick coated, long gold-rolled
Cigarette-holder pipped. Caught I was, foully.
"HOW DARK?"... I had not misheard... "ARE YOU LIGHT
OR VERY DARK?" Button B. Button A. Stench
Of rancid breath of public hide-and-speak.
Red booth. Red pillar box. Red double-tiered
Omnibus squelching tar. It was real! Shamed
By ill-mannered silence, surrender
Pushed dumbfoundment to beg simplification.
Considerate she was, varying the emphasis —
"ARE YOU DARK? OR VERY LIGHT?" Revelation came.
"You mean — like plain or milk chocolate?"
Her assent was clinical, crushing in its light
Impersonality. Rapidly, wave-length adjusted,
I chose. "West African Sepia" — and as afterthought,
"Down in my passport." Silence for spectroscopic
Flight of fancy, till truthfulness clanged her accent
Hard on the mouthpiece. "WHAT’S THAT?" conceding
"DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT IS." "Like brunette."
"THAT’S DARK, ISN'T IT?" "Not altogether.
Facially, I am brunette, but madam, you should see
The rest of me. Palm of my hand, soles of my feet
Are a peroxide blonde. Friction, caused —
Foolishly madam — by sitting down, has turned
My bottom raven black — One moment madam!" — sensing
Her receiver rearing on the thunderclap
About my ears — "Madam," I pleaded, "wouldn’t you rather
See for yourself?"
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« Reply #2919 on: August 27, 2011, 05:01:20 PM »


Late Summer Poetry

~ Emily Dickinson
 
'T WAS later when the summer went
Than when the cricket came,
And yet we knew that gentle clock
Meant nought but going home.

'T was sooner when the cricket went
Than when the winter came,
Yet that pathetic pendulum
Keeps esoteric time.


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