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« Reply #3200 on: December 22, 2011, 09:04:38 PM »
Great story JoanK - And Babi from what I understand the Erlkönig is part of the story of the Norwegian little men that are were not elves till recently and were something to be feared during the holiday season - I am sure there was much to fear during winter a hundred and more years ago.

The Nicest Present

Under the tree the gifts enthrall,
But the nicest present of them all
Is filling our thoughts with those who care,
Wanting our Christmas joy to share.

To you, whom we're often thinking of,
We send our holiday joy and love.

By Joanna and Karl Fuchs
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3201 on: December 23, 2011, 08:40:59 AM »
 "Mrs. Noah" was fun, BARB.  Yes, I'd vaguely heard of an 'erlking' before, but
knew little about it.
  I thought of you when I opened my Jan. "Smithsonian" yesterday. They have a regular feature called "My Kind of Town", and this issue features Austin, Tx. It's written by ZZ Packer, who apparently sees it as a hip and quirky city. I haven't read it yet. If you'd like to read it, here's the link.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/Keeping-it-Weird-in-Austin-Texas.html
 
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« Reply #3202 on: December 23, 2011, 10:33:12 AM »
Thanks Babi - she nailed Austin very nicely  :D
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3203 on: December 24, 2011, 09:08:16 AM »


         SEAON'S BLESSINGS ON US ALL!
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« Reply #3204 on: December 24, 2011, 09:28:18 AM »
I never got "The Erlking" either.  Fate? What? I do know that the song written by Schubert tests the left hand of every accompanist!  It's the theme you used to hear in horror mivies or cartoons to announce the coming of big trouble! 

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« Reply #3205 on: December 24, 2011, 11:56:20 AM »
Over the years I have heard various interpretations of the Goethe Erlkönig - for me it is part of my early childhood when we were still more German than we were During and After WWII - my father was the great sing song repeater of long poems like Paul Revere's Ride and the Wreck of the Hesperus. Days before Christmas he always gave us Erlkönig which sobered us up and we were filled with questions about mortality and God and the benefits of cleanliness so disease had no foothold and and and - later in childhood we heard the poem off and on that was a way of realizing there was a power greater than ourselves and the best laid plans of mice and men paraphrasing Sir Walter Scott is not how our life is controlled. As we would say today - Things Happen.

Realizing and speaking of this from early childhood helped us to realize not everyone shared our life's experience and that made them no less and we should have compassion and that Advent was a serious time not just about looking forward to the excitement of gifts, special food and family gatherings.

Today we are preparing here and the atmosphere is filled with anticipation - we probably could use a bit of Goethe but I that is up to my daughter and her husband. Have a blessed Christmas Eve and a wonderful Christmas day tomorrow.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3206 on: December 26, 2011, 06:25:41 PM »
New Year's Poem
           ~ By Margaret Avison

The Christmas twigs crispen and needles rattle
Along the window-ledge.
             A solitary pearl
Shed from the necklace spilled at last week’s party
Lies in the suety, snow-luminous plainness
Of morning, on the window-ledge beside them.   
And all the furniture that circled stately
And hospitable when these rooms were brimmed
With perfumes, furs, and black-and-silver
Crisscross of seasonal conversation, lapses
Into its previous largeness.
             I remember   
Anne’s rose-sweet gravity, and the stiff grave
Where cold so little can contain;
I mark the queer delightful skull and crossbones
Starlings and sparrows left, taking the crust,
And the long loop of winter wind
Smoothing its arc from dark Arcturus down
To the bricked corner of the drifted courtyard,
And the still window-ledge.
             Gentle and just pleasure
It is, being human, to have won from space
This unchill, habitable interior
Which mirrors quietly the light
Of the snow, and the new year.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3207 on: December 26, 2011, 06:27:32 PM »
Good Neighbors
~ Jill Neugebauer

Thank you for being good neighbors,
Thanks for the holiday cheer-
We wish you good health and best wishes,
For a safe and Happy New Year!!

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3208 on: December 26, 2011, 06:33:52 PM »
New Year’s Toast

Here’s to the new year...
May it bring more joy and success
And less grief and regret.

To our dreams...
May we never stop believing in them
And taking the actions that will make them a reality.

To our friends, loved ones, associates (or colleagues)...
May we take the time to let them know
How much it means to us
To have them in our lives.

Let us encourage more and criticize less,
Give more and need less.
And whenever we can,
Let us create harmony and peace.

To new beginnings...
Let us start fresh, right now,
To make this the very best year ever.

A very Happy New Year to all of us!

By Joanna Fuchs
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3209 on: December 27, 2011, 08:19:18 AM »
 I've found a good end-of-year poem, too.

 Year’s End     By Richard Wilbur

Now winter downs the dying of the year,   
And night is all a settlement of snow;
From the soft street the rooms of houses show   
A gathered light, a shapen atmosphere,   
Like frozen-over lakes whose ice is thin   
And still allows some stirring down within.

I’ve known the wind by water banks to shake
The late leaves down, which frozen where they fell   
And held in ice as dancers in a spell   
Fluttered all winter long into a lake;   
Graved on the dark in gestures of descent,   
They seemed their own most perfect monument.

There was perfection in the death of ferns   
Which laid their fragile cheeks against the stone   
A million years. Great mammoths overthrown   
Composedly have made their long sojourns,   
Like palaces of patience, in the gray
And changeless lands of ice. And at Pompeii

The little dog lay curled and did not rise   
But slept the deeper as the ashes rose
And found the people incomplete, and froze   
The random hands, the loose unready eyes   
Of men expecting yet another sun
To do the shapely thing they had not done.

These sudden ends of time must give us pause.   
We fray into the future, rarely wrought
Save in the tapestries of afterthought.
More time, more time. Barrages of applause   
Come muffled from a buried radio.
The New-year bells are wrangling with the snow.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #3210 on: December 27, 2011, 11:11:30 AM »
What an interesting poem Babi - i like it - a bit dark but then profound. A poem that needs several readings.
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« Reply #3211 on: December 28, 2011, 08:19:20 AM »
 Yeah.  Those lines, ...We fray into the future, rarely wrought
Save in the tapestries of afterthought.
  So true.  It takes a lot of
'afterthought' to understand all that was happening in the past.
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« Reply #3212 on: January 02, 2012, 08:05:10 PM »
A fitting end to the holiday celebrations, old Irish folk song:


"The Parting Glass"


 Oh all the money that e'er I spent
 I spent it in good company
 And all the harm that e'er I've done
 Alas, it was to none but me
 And all the harm that e'er I've done
 Alas, it was to none but me
 And all I've done for want of wit
 To memory now I can't recall
 So fill to me the parting glass
 Good night and joy be with you all
 
Oh all the comrades that e'er I've had
 Are sorry for my going away
 And all the sweethearts that e'er I've had
 Would wish me one more day to stay
 But since it falls unto my lot
 That I should rise and you should not
 

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« Reply #3213 on: January 02, 2012, 08:08:43 PM »
oops!  clipped off the final"
Must have been a wee bit too much in the parting glass.

 "So fill to me the parting glass
Good night and joy be with you all.

You can probably hear some group sing it on You Tube/

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« Reply #3214 on: January 03, 2012, 08:29:43 AM »
 Neat, Bellemere.  I like that.

  Here's one by Thomas Hardy...not as gloomy as some of his work.

 At the Entering of the New Year      by Thomas Hardy 
     
         
Our songs went up and out the chimney,
And roused the home-gone husbandmen;
Our allemands, our heys, poussettings,
Our hands-across and back again,
Sent rhythmic throbbings through the casements
          On to the white highway,
Where nighted farers paused and muttered,
          "Keep it up well, do they!"

The contrabasso's measured booming
Sped at each bar to the parish bounds,
To shepherds at their midnight lambings,
To stealthy poachers on their rounds;
And everybody caught full duly
          The notes of our delight,
As Time unrobed the Youth of Promise
          Hailed by our sanguine sight.



 
 
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« Reply #3215 on: January 03, 2012, 10:34:45 AM »
Wow Babi - not gloomy at all - in fact quite gay - I wonder what instrument the farmers were playing to get the sound to the level of a contrabasso which is a full octave below any other instrument. You can almost hear the floor boards rocking with all that dancing going on.

Bellemere including the Parting Glass sent me to YouTube where I spent a lovely half hour listening to a young boy singing on the British version of whatever that TV program is where they compete to win a contract. He was age 14 with a clear soprano voice that Simon brought up would change probably within the year.

Well here is to Winter my least favorite time of the year - regardless what appears to be unbearable heat give me days over 100 any time to days below 60 much less nights below 35.

Now Winter Nights Enlarge
          ~ Thomas Campion (1617)

Now winter nights enlarge
The number of their hours,
And clouds their storms discharge
Upon the airy towers.
Let now the chimneys blaze,
And cups o’erflow with wine;
Let well-tuned words amaze
With harmony divine.
Now yellow waxen lights
Shall wait on honey love,
While youthful revels, masques, and courtly sights
Sleep’s leaden spells remove.

This time doth well dispense
With lovers’ long discourse;
Much speech hath some defence,
Though beauty no remorse.
All do not all things well;
Some measures comely tread,
Some knotted riddles tell,
Some poems smoothly read.
The summer hath his joys
And winter his delights;
Though love and all his pleasures are but toys,
They shorten tedious nights.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3216 on: January 04, 2012, 08:51:17 AM »
 Ah, yes.  It was all those long, cold winter nights that produced all those
autumn babies!  ;)
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« Reply #3217 on: January 04, 2012, 09:33:32 PM »
Babi - There seem to be a lot of September babies in Australia too, but it is not cold.  I have always attributed the greater number to Christmas holidays, when the air is thick with beauitful tropical scents like frangipani and jasmine, both of which grow profusely where I live.  These heady exotic perfumes suggest romance to many parents and lovers alike.  I think sex is a better word than romance here, but I am trying to be aware of everyone's tender sensibilities. ;)  Campion puts it perfectly.  Thanks Barb.

The summer hath his joys
And winter his delights;
Though love and all his pleasures are but toys,
They shorten tedious nights.

How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?  - Plato

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« Reply #3218 on: January 05, 2012, 08:12:02 AM »
Well phrased, ROSHANA.  :)
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« Reply #3219 on: January 05, 2012, 12:04:55 PM »
Here is a favorite about jasmine.  Is it really that potent?

Malaga
 
The scent of unseen jasmine on a warm night beach
The tram along the sea-road all the way from town,
Through its wide open sides drank unseen jasmine down.
Living was nothing all those nights but that strong flower
Whose hidden voice on darkness grew to such mad power
I could have sworn for once I traveled through full peace
And even love at last had perfect calm release. 
Only by breathing in the unseen jasmine scent,
That ruled us all that summer every hour we went.

The tranquil unrushed wine drunk on the daytime beach
Or from an open room all that our sight could reach
Was heat, sea, light, unending images of peace;
And then at last the night brought jasmine’s great release.
Not images but calm uncovetous content
The wide-eyed heart alert at last in June’s own scent.

In daylight’s humdrum town from small child after child,
We bought cluster on cluster of the starflowers wild,
White widow’s heads they’d rewired on strong weed stalks they’d trimmed
To long green elegance, but still the whole month brimmed,
At night along the beach with a strong voice like peace.
And each morning the mind stayed crisp in such release.

Some hint of certainty, still worth longing I could reach
Lies lost in a scent of jasmine down a summer beach.
            Pearse Hutchinson

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« Reply #3220 on: January 05, 2012, 12:38:59 PM »
Bellemere Jasmin is quite fragrant - there are several types of Jasmin, some  a bit more fragrant than others. My side yard is covered in Yellow Jasmin that blooms in early Spring - almost like up North you have Forsythia except this is on huge sprawling and bending branches that use a 6 foot wood fence as a support and over the years spread from a small single growing to cover an area that is probably 18 feet long. And yes, when the windows are open the scent wafts through the house however, the Confederate Jasmin that blooms in Summer is even more fragrant.

My Indonesian friends are particularly found of Jasmin that is more fragrant than what grows here - I believe the Jasmin is their national flower however it is a different variety than we grow here - they bring back and serve Jasmin tea as a specialty and flavor rice with Jasmin.

Here is a Shakespeare that is probably more like a Northern Winter - this year we so far are enjoying a mild and warm Winter with Temps most often in the 70s during the day. I think the only reason we are not seeing bushes and bulbs pop open is because we are so dry - we had a bit of rain but not near enough.

When icicles hang by the wall,  
And Dick the shepherd blows his nail,
And Tom bears logs into the hall,  
And milk comes frozen home in pail,  
When blood is nipp'd, and ways be foul,
Then nightly sings the staring owl,
To-whit! To-who!—a merry note,  
While greasy Joan doth keel the pot.  
 
When all aloud the wind doe blow,
And coughing drowns the parson's saw,  
And birds sit brooding in the snow,  
And Marian's nose looks red and raw,  
When roasted crabs hiss in the bowl,  
Then nightly sings the staring owl,
To-whit! To-who!—a merry note,  
While greasy Joan doth keel the pot.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3221 on: January 05, 2012, 01:05:54 PM »
Yes, I remember gresy Joan!  and I have Marian's red nose.  So far no snow here i n New England other than our freaky Halloween blizzard.
I see jasmine plants for sale ; they don't seem overpowering like gardenias.
I would like to take that open sided tram along the beach road in Malaga; I would like to smell that jasmine on a warm summer night,  most of all I would like to have a
"wide-eyed heart."
Has anybody been to Malaga?  There is now probably a 4-lane highway along the beach and all the jasmine plants ripped out to build condos.  But Hutchinson did a great job preserving it the way it was, did n't he?

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« Reply #3222 on: January 05, 2012, 01:23:05 PM »
Nope - Not been to any part of Spain - for some reason not high on my list of places I would like to see. Now the Cinque Terre villages are still way up there on my list - I understand they still need time to rebuild after a devastating sea storm a couple of years ago.
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« Reply #3223 on: January 05, 2012, 03:48:36 PM »
Loved my trip to Spain!  In Madrid, met with a "Women Welcome Women " member who was an art historian and took us throug the Prado. Loved Goya, el Greco.  Ate tapas with the young afterwork crowd and even some grandparents with the baby stroller parked at the bar. Watched Flamenco; the men looked silly in those tight pants but the women would take your breath away . Drank wine out of a bag.  Ate fried calamari and thick hot chocolate.  Loved Toledo, perfect medieval town. Loved Seville, the courtyard gardens, the fountains,bought castenets for granddaughters,  loved the Alhambra and the Arab quarter in Granada.  All over, a sense of the darkly beautiful and  mysterious, just such a different place.
Would go back tomorrow if I could afford it.

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« Reply #3224 on: January 05, 2012, 04:29:09 PM »
“The use of traveling is to regulate imagination by reality, and instead of thinking how things may be, to see them as they are.” – Samuel Johnson

“He who does not travel does not know the value of men.” – Moorish proverb

“People travel to faraway places to watch, in fascination, the kind of people they ignore at home.” – Dagobert D. Runes

“All travel has its advantages. If the passenger visits better countries, he may learn to improve his own. And if fortune carries him to worse, he may learn to enjoy it.” – Samuel Johnson
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3225 on: January 06, 2012, 08:37:49 AM »
Oh,I would love to visit a 'perfect medieval town'. I like to sit in such
old places and imagine it the way is was a few centuries ago, filled with
ordinary people going about their business just as they did then. Let it come alive for me.
 And then, any place with beautiful gardens..where once again I sit and enjoy, then stroll to another lovely spot and sit and enjoy some more.
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« Reply #3226 on: January 06, 2012, 09:31:01 AM »
One of the best things I did while traveling, before macular degeneration took over y eyesight, was to get a sketch book with good pencils and an eraser of course.   With absolutely no talent or training in drawing, I sat and really looked at doorways, arches, trees, etc.  so much better than just snapping photos willy-nilly. 

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« Reply #3227 on: January 06, 2012, 01:10:34 PM »
Problem - our imagination is based on how we live today so that the reality of Medieval life long since gone by the boards is forgotten - I have yet been to a Medieval town except those in the Alps of Switzerland  where the streets are constructed, usually of brick or some stone and in the middle there is a slant that slides to a dip with stones and bricks running the other way - this was an open sewer - all streets had in the center this open sewer that was also used as a public bathroom - go to the streets in a Mexican barrio like the huge one in Juarez and you can see the same thing - theirs are probably even more accurate with few bricks or stones but simply hard-packed dirt and a canal only inches deep that in bad weather over flows.

Each day chamber pots were dumped out the windows and doorways along with pans of dishwater all aiming for the open sewer - the smell, need I say more - than add to that how little bathing was done and how most folks were involved in physical labor.

I may be part of the dwindling middle class but if I lived during Medieval Europe the best I could imagine for myself is to be the daughter, wife and mother on the land rather than in town - and then new challenges - Winter would be an annual challenge along with the burden of caring for babies in winter -

So there is enough wood to build a fire up every night before bedtime - the best banked fire in a fireplace - not a furnace - a fireplace will not last till sunup - In the pitch dark - candles were only used for special occasions - in the freezing cold you would have to attend an infant - than you wonder why so many were brought to bed to sleep with the parents and how the parents in their sleep would roll over onto the baby - If the child was sick you had no way to see to even clean up the babe till light of day.

Sorry but to me I can admire the architecture and gardens but oh dear not Medieval life with so many unpleasant rudimentary facilities the norm - not like now were you have to visit a barrio in some far off city to experience what some in this world still contend with.

What confuses and amazes is how these cities using these sewer systems grew all over Europe and yet, the Romans had worked out underground water and sewer systems hundreds of years before - Most cities grew from encampments along the age old start location - next to a river - That was what I remember about hiking in Mexico - if you are lost or in doubt or need any help find the river because in rural Mexico folks live where the streams and creeks are not only their source of water but their sewer and laundry and home to the ducks that provide a meal now and then as well as the trough for animals. And so I can see how these European cities probably started the same way - but why did open sewers then become the norm - were they following the concept of re-creating the river...

I wonder maybe because the Romans were so hated that nothing of their advances was adopted - but then Rome governed and populated England for 400 years - you would think - and even in France right next to - for that matter even in Northern Italy you see these Medieval towns with the streets constructed that you know they modernized what was the old open sewer. I wonder what and when the practice changed because the communities built here in North America even as early as the 1600s did not use the open sewer system where as Mexico with the Spanish influence uses the system.

Just thought - I wonder if this system, not only the source of wretched smells but of disease was not given its due because of beliefs that sickness was the result of sin, therefore, the many prayers, indulgences and pilgrimages and something about balancing the fluids in your body so that the cause of disease from outside the body was not even imagined.

For me, I enjoy walking a Medieval town to see how the people today have enhanced the town and how the buildings so close together reflect living close together with families enjoying dinner on balconies and reaching over to hand the other family a glass of wine or part of the meal or the daily newspaper and how the clothing is dried on poles and lines strung across these ancient streets that are too narrow for many modern vehicles. And shops are mingled so that there is no need for a kitchen with lots of food storage space. No more laundry at the wells, now fountains that dot the cross streets but the secluded area around a fountain is often crowded with flowerpots where as the structures with courtyards that opened to a street with a shared well are now out door bistros.

It all sounds so romantic and in our imagination we can construct the best parts that are the parts most of the historical novels and mysteries build their stories around - but to really contemplate life in a Medieval town - and then the attitude about woman... oh dear...

Here is a mild example of that attitude about woman.

BEWARE (THE BLYNDE ETETH MANY A FLYE)
          ~ By John Ludgate

Loke wel aboute, ye that lovers bee,
Let not youre lustes lede you to dotage.
Be not anamoured on al thing that ye see:
Sampson the fort and Salomon the sage,
Deceyved were for al thaire grete courage.
Men deeme it right that they see at eye,
But ever beware: the blynde eteth many a flie!

I meen in women, for all thaire cheres queynt,
Trust not to moche; thaire trouthe is but geson.
The fairest outward wel can they peynt;
Thayre stedfastnesse endureth but a seson.
They fayne frendlynes and worchen treson,
And sith thay be chaungeable naturally,
Beware, therfore: the blynde eteth many a flye.

Thogh all this world doo his besy cure
To make women stande in stablenesse,
It may not be, it is ageyne nature:
The world is doo whan thay lak doublenesse.
They lagh and love not, this know men expresse;
In theyme to trust, it is but fantasie.
Therfore, beware: the blynde eteth many a flie.

What wight on lyve that trusteth on thaire cheres,
Shal have at last his guerdon and his mede.
They shave nerer than doth rasour or sheres;
Al is not gold that shineth, men take hede!
Thaire galle is hid under a sugred wede;
It is ful queynte thaire fantasies to aspie.
Beware, therfore: the blynde eteth many a flye.

Women of kynde have condicions thre:
The first is thay be full of deceite;
To spynne also is thaire propreté;
And women have a wonderful conceite:
They wepen oft, and all is but a sleight;
And whan hem lust, the teere is in the eye.
Therfore, beware: the blynde eteth many a flye.

In sothe to sey, thogh al the erthe so wan
Were parchemyn smothe, white, and scribable,
And the grete see, called occian,
Were turned ink, blacker than is sable,
Eche stikk a penne, ech man a scrivener able,
Nought coude thay write womens trecherie.
Beware, therfore: the blynde eteth many a flye!
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3228 on: January 06, 2012, 10:23:26 PM »
Barb, your poem reminded of this one by John Donne--later, and not totally relevant, but a man complaining about woman's fickleness while ignoring his own.

GO and catch a falling star,
Get with child a mandrake root,
Tell me where all past years are,
Or who cleft the devil's foot,
Teach me to hear mermaids singing,
Or to keep off envy's stinging,
And find
What wind
Serves to advance an honest mind.

If thou be'st born to strange sights,
Things invisible to see,
Ride ten thousand days and nights,
Till age snow white hairs on thee,
Thou, when thou return'st, wilt tell me,
All strange wonders that befell thee,
And swear,
No where
Lives a woman true and fair.

If thou find'st one, let me know,
Such a pilgrimage were sweet;
Yet do not, I would not go,
Though at next door we might meet,
Though she were true, when you met her,
And last, till you write your letter,
Yet she
Will be
False, ere I come, to two, or three.

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« Reply #3229 on: January 07, 2012, 12:06:22 AM »
ohhh god - yes, and to think there are still many men who believe this nonsense and are so needy for the upper hand they must put down women...ahgugh

All strange wonders that befell thee,
And swear,
No where
Lives a woman true and fair.

If thou find'st one, let me know,
Such a pilgrimage were sweet;
Yet do not, I would not go,
Though at next door we might meet,
Though she were true, when you met her,
And last, till you write your letter,
Yet she
Will be
False, ere I come, to two, or three.
ahgugh
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« Reply #3230 on: January 07, 2012, 09:04:19 AM »
Oh, BArb, I would definitely not want to live in medieval times. As you
said, the sanitation and odor was appalling. No, what I visualize is simply
people, real everyday people who would have walked those streets and entered those buildings for hundeds of years. It gives me a sense of timelessness, or maybe, eternity.

 Poor Mr. Ludgate. Some woman, I would guess, has flirted with him and
not been at all serious about it.  I do think men are smarter today, for the
most part, than to think instablity is the 'nature' of women. 
 I was amused, watching a show yesterday about that "Ace of Cakes"
company.  They baked a cake for a couple about to be married, tho' the
man had often said they would marry 'when pigs fly'.  The cake ordered by
the bride was a flying pig!   ;D
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« Reply #3231 on: January 08, 2012, 02:50:54 PM »
I know John Donne's sentiments may be unacceptable to us now, but don't you still think he was a brilliant poet?  The cadence of those lines is wonderful, IMHO.  I studied him for college entrance exams, and was spellbound by his achievements - he was a real polymath/Renaissance man, into everything, and he did write some great love poems.

Rosemary

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« Reply #3232 on: January 09, 2012, 08:40:49 AM »
  Oh, I totally agree, ROSEMARY.   He was a brilliant man, and I confess to being a tad disappointed when I first learned he was a bit of a misanthrope.
Ah, well we all have cause for complaints  of some kind as we make our way
through this life; we just cannot express ourselves so so well!   :D

  I think this is one we seniors can appreciate....
 
Winter's Roads
by Ron Carnell

I cannot speak for all who stem
'Long roads less traveled as their way,
Nor question choices made by them
In days long past or nights long dim
by words they spoke and did not say.

Each road is long, though short it seems,
And credence gives each road a name
Of fantasies sun-drenched in beams
Or choices turned to darkened dreams,
To where each road wends just the same.

From North to South, then back again,
I followed birds like all the rest
Escaping nature's snowy den
On roads I've seen and places been,
Forsaking roads that traveled West.


  This journey grows now to its end,
As road reflections lined in chrome
Give way to roads with greater bend
And empty signs that still pretend
They point the way to home sweet home.

But all roads lead to where we go
And where we go is where we've been,
So home is just a word we know,
That space in time most apropos
For where we want to be again.

For even home, it seems to me,
Is still a choice we all must face
From day to day and endlessly,
To choose if home is going to be
Another road - or just a place.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #3233 on: January 09, 2012, 08:32:12 PM »
Rosemary, I haven't studied Donne, but agree with you.  This isn't a love poem:

Death be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadfull, for, thou art not soe,
For, those, whom thou think'st, thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poore death, nor yet canst thou kill mee.
From rest and sleepe, which but thy pictures bee,
Much pleasure, then from thee, much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee doe goe,
Rest of their bones, and soules deliverie.
Thou art slave to Fate, Chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poyson, warre, and sicknesse dwell,
And poppie, or charmes can make us sleepe as well,
And better then thy stroake; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleepe past, wee wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.

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« Reply #3234 on: January 09, 2012, 09:09:23 PM »
ah - great poems and yes, John Donne - for me he is one of the early poets that is the most readable - most of the poems from his time are written using so much early English that it is a slog to get through them.

here is one of his heart rendering thoughts on love and intimacy with a woman.

SWEETEST love, I do not go,
For weariness of thee,
Nor in hope the world can show
A fitter love for me ;
But since that I
At the last must part, 'tis best,
Thus to use myself in jest
By feigned deaths to die.

Yesternight the sun went hence,
And yet is here to-day ;
He hath no desire nor sense,
Nor half so short a way ;
Then fear not me,
But believe that I shall make
Speedier journeys, since I take
More wings and spurs than he.

O how feeble is man's power,
That if good fortune fall,
Cannot add another hour,
Nor a lost hour recall ;
But come bad chance,
And we join to it our strength,
And we teach it art and length,
Itself o'er us to advance.

When thou sigh'st, thou sigh'st not wind,
But sigh'st my soul away ;
When thou weep'st, unkindly kind,
My life's blood doth decay.
It cannot be
That thou lovest me as thou say'st,
If in thine my life thou waste,
That art the best of me.

Let not thy divining heart
Forethink me any ill ;
Destiny may take thy part,
And may thy fears fulfil.
But think that we
Are but turn'd aside to sleep.
They who one another keep
Alive, ne'er parted be.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3235 on: January 09, 2012, 09:12:03 PM »
Another by Ron Carnell - a gentle thought as if on his perfect breeze. 

Treasures

It's so hard to find the perfect breeze,
One blowing none too hard nor soft,
Carrying a scent of wild flowers,
And moving clouds about aloft.

It's so hard to find the perfect sky,
One blue and deep and bright,
Carrying a sense of openness
With geese and wrens in flight.

It's so hard to find the perfect night,
One warm, quiet and unflawed,
Carrying a mood of solitude,
And a closeness to our God.

Yet no perfection's so hard to find
As that which you extend
And none I'll ever treasure more,
Than to simply be your friend.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3236 on: January 09, 2012, 09:15:41 PM »
No remembrance of John Donne can be complete with his bit of fun on love and sex...

THE FLEA

MARK but this flea, and mark in this,
How little that which thou deniest me is ;
It suck'd me first, and now sucks thee,
And in this flea our two bloods mingled be.
Thou know'st that this cannot be said
A sin, nor shame, nor loss of maidenhead ;
    Yet this enjoys before it woo,
    And pamper'd swells with one blood made of two ;
    And this, alas ! is more than we would do.

O stay, three lives in one flea spare,
Where we almost, yea, more than married are.
This flea is you and I, and this
Our marriage bed, and marriage temple is.
Though parents grudge, and you, we're met,
And cloister'd in these living walls of jet.
    Though use make you apt to kill me,
    Let not to that self-murder added be,
    And sacrilege, three sins in killing three.

Cruel and sudden, hast thou since
Purpled thy nail in blood of innocence?
Wherein could this flea guilty be,
Except in that drop which it suck'd from thee?
Yet thou triumph'st, and say'st that thou
Find'st not thyself nor me the weaker now.
'Tis true ; then learn how false fears be ;
Just so much honour, when thou yield'st to me,
Will waste, as this flea's death took life from thee.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #3237 on: January 09, 2012, 09:21:38 PM »
I'm glad you posted The Flea, Barb, that was a close second in my choice of Donne poems to post.

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« Reply #3238 on: January 09, 2012, 09:23:09 PM »
red pepper
put wings on it
red dragonfly

– Basho


Winter solitude--
in a world of one color
the sound of wind.

– Basho


trying to fill out the page so I can upload the heading - Haiku a bit off our Donne poems but quick and appropriate for mid winter... glad you like The Flea - I still get a kick out of hearing it all these years later - I guess that is was written so many 100s of years ago is astonishing to me that we can share the same humor. Fleas are still with us and probably part of some love nights for those with beds shared by the pesky things.
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« Reply #3239 on: January 09, 2012, 09:25:42 PM »


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Winter Poetry

A Cup of Tea
~ J. Jonker, Amsterdam, c.1670

When the world is all at odds
And the mind is all at sea
Then cease the useless tedium
And brew a cup of tea.

There is magic in its fragrance,
There is solace in its taste;
And the laden moments vanish
Somehow into space.

And the world becomes a lovely thing!
There's beauty as you'll see;
All because you briefly stopped
To brew a cup of tea.

Tea helps our head and heart.
Tea medicates most every part.
Tea rejuvenates the very old.
Tea warms the hands of those who're cold.


“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe