Author Topic: Women's Issues (Read 392127 times)

MaryPage · « **Reply #1800 on:** January 24, 2015, 05:08:52 PM »

The town I live in, Annapolis, Maryland, is the capital of our state. Our local newspaper, The Capital Gazette, is commonly known hereabouts as The Capital. A local woman wrote a column recently telling the story of her very bad case of cancer, with the medicine prescribed by her oncologist to cost over six thousand dollars a month. The woman's insurance refused to approve that medicine. She would die without it, and maybe even with it. But truly die without it. And she does not make that much money in a month, plus she has a family. So she went online to the state exchange for Affordable Care and actually wound up with a plan that is three hundred dollars a month cheaper and will allow the medicine. They, of course, have to take preexisting conditions now. And thank God for that, as she is now on the medicine and still alive to write the story. We have lots of choices now, and we can be grateful that with all of us pooling in together, more of us can be insured and have that which will allow us to live. Like myself, with my dreadfully expensive meds, three of them, for high blood pressure. And my darling husband in his last months was taking a med that cost fifteen thousand dollars a month, but our insurance approved. That was for his melanoma.

Steph · « **Reply #1801 on:** January 25, 2015, 09:14:50 AM »

Barbara,, I do agree with you. Ever since I was exposed to a lot of minimum wage people trying so hard to get by, I wanted some sort of health plan for them..They end up in the emergency room because it was the only place they could go without paying..and then get treated badly in many cases.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1802 on:** January 25, 2015, 12:11:13 PM »

Apparently there are real live breathing Republican senators and representatives who honestly and truly believe that if you cannot make enough money to purchase health insurance, then you should jolly well accept dying as the alternative should you get sick. God wills this, they say. It is your Fate! Earn enough or Die!

Steph · « **Reply #1803 on:** January 26, 2015, 08:39:27 AM »

Ah yes, there is yet another fathead republican, who is trying to make sure that only his version of legitimate rape victims are included in anything. Sigh.. Where do these people grow up and what caused the woman hatred in their minds.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1804 on:** January 26, 2015, 10:15:34 AM »

I agree, Steph, that there is a lot of pure woman hatred, but I do think most of it is just disrespect. I think they are raised in their boy culture to think all females contain brains made of fluff and exist ONLY for the purpose of performing those housekeeping tasks they feel they have no time or patience for and as machines to turn out babies, preferably all boys, to grow up and make them proud as they see them off to currant and future wars.

Steph · « **Reply #1805 on:** January 27, 2015, 08:42:22 AM »

I guess I have so much trouble understanding why anyone should have control over my body b esides me,, my husband when he was alive and my religion is I practiced one that has strong emotions about abortion.. I would never try to control other peoples bodies, why should they control mine.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1806 on:** January 27, 2015, 02:10:33 PM »

Power does funny things to people - they are often weak and rather than let anyone know even themselves they have to control everything - since women have been controlled by the power of both religion, tradition and then the law picked up where they left off - all controlled by men - and then the other side of being powerful is you can do things because you can - similar to WWII German soldiers and I am sure our own but we do not hear - as German soldiers were taking over docile villages and out of the way farmhouses there was no one in command telling them they had to be brutal and yet they were - just because they could - just as we know prison guards feel a sense of power and treat prisoners like animals, women prisoners are often raped - it is all about power - they justify their laws and attitude with tradition and science - science says movement, action is a measurable force, where as inaction is next to being lifeless - the sperm is in action and a force where as the womb is an inactive receiver - yes, it goes back to anatomy at least it does when you research most religious traditions.

This basic view of action - that can be measured - is the basis for beating the enemy is another reason using peaceful means of negotiation is an anathema to men of action - interesting enough when you look at those taking refuge in Battered Women's Centers the majority are married to men of action and power. And the opposite view again - there is seldom good sex when force is used or it is demanded - it is not about sex it is about wanting what I want when I want it and I am the one in control to make that demand.

The next easy step is to not only control the most intimate act that can be shared but then to be sure as any buck will do during the rut, not allow anyone to prevent the sperm from coming to fruition.

In the history of mankind, love coupled with sex is very new - the courtly love that started all this in the 12th century was young men making advances to older married women - love was not part of the pairing of couples till the 15th century and certainly not for kings and queens till Victoria - we still have a greater portion of the population of the world today that arranges marriages and when you read Tribes and Power Nationalism and Ethnicity in the Middle East or, Tribal Modern Branding New Nations in the Arab Gulf you learn it is about 'tribal purity' where you marry within the tribe because the economics of the society is administered on a tribal basis - wealth is distributed to tribal pure families. and those who are/have married outside the tribe not only do they not receive the proceeds from the nations profit whether it is oil, cotton or any tribal investment but their entire family is excluded.

In order to assure your economic future families keep the line pure by controlling marriage and you still hear how woman will justify the wearing of the hijab and the burka - they are brought up to realize they controlled the economic welfare of the family - not in so many words, just as we still bring up little boys with the concept they are the breadwinners - it is not overt but it is in our thinking and so these traditions keep the balance of power. For women they hide behind a veil which is being still or non-active and in some quarters of the world men are still actively kidnapping women for their wives or today, to make money off the sex trade.

We know that it takes a womb to grow a child and so it takes both equally - that message is only slowly making some inroads in the west much less in the rest of the world - who studies or does medical research on the womb - that is the basis of where we are at and until our very anatomy as women is given its value we will be fighting the war of action versus passivity that justifies, to the power source their behavior.

Steph · « **Reply #1807 on:** January 28, 2015, 09:07:13 AM »

You have made a good argument for why I am a quaker.. Force destroys you ... Remember Viet Nam, where we acted like animals.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1808 on:** January 28, 2015, 05:48:23 PM »

Primitive minds turn to atrocious violence due to a lack of education. Primitive minds want to confine what education they allow to the things they know about and permit. I think this makes for what is known as a vicious cycle.

My belief is that education should be open and all-encompassing. Let all children learn about all cultures and all religions and all history. Let them learn the facts without personal bias and opinions. Let them know our total world history, memorize and really take in our geography and population figures, and be encouraged to open their creative instincts with exposure to art, music and literature from around the globe. Immerse them in the science of what makes up our universe, from the smallest known objects to the largest. Expose them to the wonders and fun of mathematics. Let them find their strengths so that they may embark on careers that they find joy in. Let there be no children of the homo sapiens species upon this planet without access to such education.

Steph · « **Reply #1809 on:** January 29, 2015, 09:05:22 AM »

Actually very very few of the children on this planet get that type of education alas.. I wish they did. I live now in a state that believes in tests, tests,tests,, doesn't prove anything but rewards children who like to be tested.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1810 on:** January 29, 2015, 11:23:36 AM »

Steph, I read recently, and I wish I could state where for sure for attribution, but I read so much my mind gets muddled as to the source these days, I THINK this was in the February 2015 National Geographic, in an article showing scary, scary maps about what is going to happen to Florida (not so much up where you live), that FIVE (5) of Florida's leading Climatologists went together to brief your esteemed governor regarding Global Warming. He said not a word through the whole thing. Asked nary a question. At the end, he said "Thank you," and that was that! Even though the magazine is strictly non-political and non-partisan, it did point out mildly that your state legislature and most county governing bodies are controlled by Republicans, and that they, for the most part, tend to dismiss climate change and global warming.

It also went on to say that plans are afoot NOT to sensibly move the population inland, but to PROP UP the land: raise it by several feet, and even make floating islands of portions of Miami Beach, etc.! The cost? Billions more to the taxpayer than stopping the building on the coast and moving the population. BILLIONS more! But hey, people got to live on the beach and the rest of us gotta pay for them to enjoy their properties there and rebuild em when the storms of global warming knock em down! Scheesch!

I don't know about you, but I suspect you feel as squeamish as I do about a person whose job it is to run a whole state having a set of experts come to give a briefing and not asking of them one single question. Now THERE is a man who thinks he knows it all; has all the answers already, thank you very much. Terrifying, actually!

Steph · « **Reply #1811 on:** January 30, 2015, 08:28:07 AM »

Our current governor.. hmm. a man who ran a health organization that was under indictment by the government, so he resigned and got elected governor. I would believe anything of him, since he does not strike me as beating on all cylinders.
I live in the center of the state, but mostly stay here since my husband died because both of my sons live in southwest Florida. My summer home is in the mountains of north Carolina, so I can retreat to the mountains if I had to.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1812 on:** February 24, 2015, 09:24:01 AM »

This is scary funny, the kind of stuff that has been happening all over our nation on a myriad of subjects and coming from the vacant heads and blustery mouths of many males:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/audio-idaho-republican-asks-if-a-woman-can-swallow-a-camera-for-gynecological-exam/

Yes, Ladies, this is the typical IQ of the regulators of our wombs, who are convinced we own neither the intelligence nor the right attitude to be allowed to do so on our own.

jane · « **Reply #1813 on:** February 24, 2015, 11:06:30 AM »

Incredible!

Steph · « **Reply #1814 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:05:22 AM »

These people get elected.. How did we get to this place in history.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1815 on:** February 26, 2015, 03:10:10 PM »

Steph · « **Reply #1816 on:** February 27, 2015, 08:31:46 AM »

No, No, a thousand times No.. Value yourself.. They don't love you, they simply use you. Oh Barb,, never ever believe others about yourself. You know that within you dwells a unique personality , that is of value and love.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1817 on:** February 27, 2015, 01:39:57 PM »

Yes, away from that kind of daily put downs you realize it however, many feel responsible or for other reasons cannot just walk away from a situation where you are pushed down till you have no belief in yourself left - I've been there and many women have been there - it takes years of work to get out of that hole -

One help to me was a group of about 20 men and women who were nothing but positive in every and I mean every conversation - they only offered support in every comment and gave examples of receiving support and supported not only each other but told how they were supporting another family member. All this support and positive feedback was encouragement for us to achieve some small goal - mine at the time was simply to get out of bed be 8:30 in the morning - others had goals that included a running program to writing every day to finally having the courage to sell their craft work and to get busy each day creating their for sale items, to a few working on finally sticking to a learning program of some sort and several had to do with the big stuff of confronting their abusing boss or family member.

I learned from that experience, what a difference positive loving exchanges can make and I am trying to make that my way of talk since I did learn how we talk to others is how we talk to ourselves and we can be the worst culprit with our self talk of tearing ourselves down or we can be in the habit of building up ourselves and others.

I'll never forget that 90 day program and I still have a few of those from that support team as friends on facebook today. We did the entire program online and included in this group was a guy from Italy, another from Britain, a woman from Switzerland and another from the Netherlands, a guy from South Africa and another from a small town in northern Mexico - they all spoke some English - some better than others - there were folks from Virginia, Oregon, Michigan, Alabama, at least two from California, one from Nova Scotia -

Some of us tried to keep it up but without a site set up to follow the daily requirement of posting our successes for the day that was on a page where we re-read our goal that we were encouraged to word without any fault finding but only in positive terms we were not able to keep as active the camaraderie however, about half of us are friends on facebook and sure enough to this day, its been years now, we always only comment with a positive encouraging response and we are sure to 'like' any contribution any of us make.

And so, I know first hand the damage that the quote I found is about and know the pain that isn't even pain - you become numb trying hard not to show it and handle your life by splitting into two personalities - one for the public and the other who you believe is your true self who wants to hide in your home or for me in my bed. Trying to hide while being in public wore me out but I knew if I didn't stay active I would go down some black hole and be in an institution -

I notice this is the relationship I have with my best friend - as we age we cannot help but notice how the generation just younger feels so put upon by our lifestyle and they fear having to take care of us so they start to try to control us - we love our family but it is not easy for some of us as we can be treated like children by the very family members we love. Again, staying up beat and sharing only positive feedback regardless how we would like to dump our experiences and bad feelings is doing more for us than I imagined when we made this decision to be each others positive support.

All I can say is you are right Steph but sometimes we need support to make that wisdom be a part of our thinking and emotional life. It is not always easy to be positive in return when you do not agree with what someone is saying or you are feeling bad because someone was rude to you or we experience change we never imagined we would have to tackle but like Gandhi, I hope to develop the skill I'm espousing that I believe will get us all past this polarization that has taken over and to support the many who secretly feel less about themselves than they should. Wish me luck folks... I know I will be doing myself a favor as well.

Steph · « **Reply #1818 on:** February 28, 2015, 08:48:10 AM »

I realize that I am a lucky person in that my sons and daughter in laws and grandchildren all seem intent on making me understand that they consider me a vital person, full of life and interest so that I never feel left out. Every once in a while I do tend to remind them, that possibly I am slowing down, but they will not hear of it and remind me of all the things I do and love. I am fortunate in my family.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1819 on:** February 28, 2015, 01:49:09 PM »

One of the self therapies I apply when a hurt occurs from a reaction or, more often, a lack of reaction from a loved one, is to think on the BIG picture: the thousand year or thousands of years picture. I tell myself life is not all about my ability, or one other person's ability, to interact satisfactorily with ME.

Instead, Life is all about JOY, and our individual experience of that, and our being in tune with the whole dang universe and the beauty of it all, and to give back as much Joy as we are capable of.

To hell with one individual person and THEIR bundle of problems. I put up my shield of self protection and refuse to be either a victim or a martyr. Nope! I stand tall, all 5'2" of me, and firm on top of it all and try to emit as much comfort and Joy as I can to others.

Even when it is a beloved family member who sends the zing of pain, you just have to forgive and forget AND LET IT GO! Turn the spotlight of your mind 180° in the Other direction! Whatever is going on, it is THEIR problem, and the chances are overwhelming that you cannot fix it for them. Don't let it become a cancer in your soul. In doing so, you allow yourself, indeed, inflict upon yourself or allow yourself to be inflicted with victimhood and martyrdom.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #1820 on:** February 28, 2015, 05:52:53 PM »

AMEN!

Steph · « **Reply #1821 on:** March 01, 2015, 09:12:47 AM »

yes, oh yes.,.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1822 on:** March 07, 2015, 04:28:02 PM »

Saturday afternoon I spent several hours watching the MSNBC coverage of that days march across the bridge at Selma, 50 years to the day after the famous first one. It was a splendid gathering graced by many wonderful speeches and one truly great one.

Old films were shown again and again, and one strong contrast snagged my awareness.

Fifty years ago, there was a line of white police cars. From those emerged scores of white policemen who proceeded to brutalize peaceful fellow citizens.

This Saturday a line of black limousines drew up at that spot. From them emerged the First Family of these United States.

How sweet it is!

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1823 on:** March 07, 2015, 06:43:24 PM »

With so much aggression in the world today and the long standing aggression towards women the recent Charlie Rose round-table of scientists working on the brain and the behavior of aggression was a very insightful program with lots of new information -

The various kinds of aggression, how genes are some of the cause and how environment is equal in cause and the scientific work that proves how close aggression is to sexual impulse -

Toward they end of the show the group in the round-table does get a bit into the particulars of aggression against women - I learned much so that I understand some things in a different way

If you missed the show here is the link

http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60526735

Steph · « **Reply #1824 on:** March 08, 2015, 09:15:14 AM »

I have to say that I have some reservations about the fact that if it is a black person who dies, or a historical black event, Obama pops up, but otherwise no.. I voted for him, but thus far he has not ranked in the top 25 of Presidents.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1825 on:** March 08, 2015, 02:46:44 PM »

I was impressed that George W Bush was there and his wife Laura - Steph I do not know of any big anniversary of an event that the nation celebrated that involved white folks that Obama missed - the WWII big events are all taking place in Europe and he will be there for the 70th anniversary of the Normandy invasion - where as this was the 50th anniversary of a national event - I thought Obama's remarks about the few who actually vote was well done and I was really impressed that he brought into his litany of folks who made a significant impact in this nation several women including Stanton.

It takes a moment like this with an inclusive speech to realize not only are voting rights being pushed back but women's rights, especially women's health rights have been pushed back - I can see how easy it is to whip up divisive support among good everyday folks after hearing and seeing the Charlie Rose roundtable discussion on aggression - attempting to only see the good in others is not easy but it sure is an earmark of a peace loving culture where as, we are being bombarded with a constant emotional tug of war that taps our own aggression which, evidently is within all of us and we become the supporters rather than maintaining our normal peaceful ways.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #1826 on:** March 08, 2015, 04:21:10 PM »

I think of Selma as a national history event, not as an Afrucan-American event. Didn't we all watch in astonishment 50 yrs ago? Television brought it to the whole country, most of whom had no idea hiw terrible Af-Am lives were in the South, especially what was (not) happening re: voting rights. Tv was hugely important in the progress of Civil Rts.

I love Charlie Rose's series on the brain. It is info we wouldn't get anywhere else on tv. I said to my dgt last night that she is going to see amazing things in her life, what with the use of brain imaging. One of this show's interesting bits for me was how important daycare can be in socializing aggressive 3 and 4 yr olds. That is the time of most human lives when they are the most aggressive and have to learn the boundaries. If parents don't teach about boundaries, (and they seem to be less likely to do that these days. Isit guilt that they aren't there as much as our parents were?) daycare is where they learn to control their actions.

The other piece that raises an interesting question, if some aggression is genetic, what is ethical to do about their aggressive behaviors? Do we punish them?

Maryz - i have to be in opposition to you today in the women's SEC game, Dawn Staley is a local "girl", have to support her.

Jean

maryz · « **Reply #1827 on:** March 08, 2015, 05:43:32 PM »

No problem, jean - I understand. Dawn has done a fantastic job with her gals. Sorry that the Lady Vols didn't win, though.

Our other team did win - the University of Tennessee Chattanooga won the confererence (undefeated) and the tournament, are ranked #17 by the AP. (Plus they beat Tennessee and Stanford in nonconference games!)

Steph · « **Reply #1828 on:** March 09, 2015, 09:12:56 AM »

PProblem is that 50 years ago, I lived in the deep south and the news traveled in entirely different cycles at that point in our time. Nowadays, we know everything in hours, but not then and frankly the local newspapers did not cover the story.. Living deep in the south in the 60.s was quite different.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1829 on:** March 09, 2015, 10:02:52 AM »

Yes, I agree Steph but then most of our national events that we honor today became important to the notational agenda far after the day or year when they happened. Hindsight Selma was important to all of us and folks both black and white risked their lives and were beaten, hosed, ridiculed that day in order that all citizens had an equal chance to be given what was promised by our Constitution.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #1830 on:** March 09, 2015, 07:27:31 PM »

A dear friend of mine who is a few yrs younger than i am grew up in NC and said she NEVER saw any of the Civil Rts events on her local tv stations. She's had to learn about them as an adult.

Jean

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1831 on:** March 09, 2015, 08:58:11 PM »

True - I remember when my two older children were about 4 and 5 we went into town in Lexington Ky. to shop and I parked one street behind the main street next to the metal walkway over the railroad tracks - there was an alley that after walking across the walkway led to main street between a rather nice, 3 story department store and a row of one story shops - we stopped still and were stunned - could not understand or believe what we were seeing - there was a group of about 20 to 25 whites, all gloved and hatted as was the way back then, standing in a semi-circle, silent, just befuddled, looking as on the sidewalk was about 30 or 40 black people laying flat on the ground - there was a bus parked by the curb - a yellow school bus was used and a few police men, two at a time, lifting them up one by one into the bus- not roughly because we/they knew most of these people - yes, they picked up our garbage, mowed our lawns and cleaned our houses, even the police knew most by name having waved to say hay since they were children - everyone was just silent, looking, not sure what it meant or what to do - should we say hello - it was a befuddlement and never a peep about what happened on the local news or in the newspaper and no one ever talked about it afterwards.

Steph · « **Reply #1832 on:** March 10, 2015, 09:02:16 AM »

I am glad that some of us had the same type experiences. Now I know how and why, but growing up and as a new married, I was always in the south. I can remember so vividly in South Carolina riding the bus to work and watching the nannies ( all black) getting on the bus with their charges. The charges all sat in the first few rows and the nannies went to the back. Everyone was safe, because this was the custom and the white women watched the children carefully. Still it was so wrong and at that point, it just seemed normal.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1833 on:** March 10, 2015, 08:51:38 PM »

As communities, we have been guilty in this nation of turning our collective minds away from the thousands of lynchings of black boys and men that have occurred in my own lifetime. It seems to me that only when the speed of news became instant and white men and women began to protest racial wrongs that we began to hear about these things nationally: James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner murdered by officers of the law and buried in a mud dam, Viola Liuzzo shot to death while driving civil rights protesters, and so on and on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

We still turn our thoughts away from the millions upon millions of Native Americans we slaughtered, man, woman and child, while they slept in their villages. We considered them vermin and wanted their lands for our own settlers. We justified it on the basis that they were less than human and constituted a threat to our well being. We actually sent the Army of The United States in to complete this "work."

http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1997/native-americans.html

And we wonder how it could possibly have been that the Germans lived with the Nazi campaign to exterminate all Jews! Or the Turks to the mass killings of the Armenians among them! Do we ever remember the dreadful bloodletting when Catholic mobs killed all the Protestants they could find in France in the 16th century? Or the bombings and shootings between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland in the 20th?

Both we and the Nazis have carried out genocide in the name of Christianity, yet people were horrified and indignant when our President pointed out that Christians have not been unlike the terrorists of today. I don't understand how people think; I just DON'T! My meager knowledge of History tells me President Obama is just trying to make people look at the Truth and Think, he is not attempting to undermine our nation or Christianity.

Steph · « **Reply #1834 on:** March 11, 2015, 08:47:47 AM »

You sound so positive, but I still maintain doubts on Obama.. He is not what I wanted when I voted for him..Yes all religions, not just the US have made horrible mistakes over a long period of time and probably will make more. However the current ISIS is what is happening here and now. They are destroying the history of the region in the name of religion. I know what we did to Indians was wrong and stupid, but it is also past..I dislike that I think Obama does not really look at what is happening in the name of tolerance and in this current case, a lot of people are dying that don't need to. I don't want boots on the ground in any of the countries, but I also know that the US is famous for always backing the wrong horse. Wish it were not true, but it is.

mogamom · « **Reply #1835 on:** March 11, 2015, 12:26:22 PM »

I'm concerned with truth. President Obama appears to refuse to see what is going on as religion-based. He defines the Egyptians who were beheaded as '100 Egyptian citizens', rather than Coptic Christians; in France where a kosher deli was deliberately targeted, he referred to the Jews killed as 'French folk'. Muslims took large regions, in their inception, and killed those who refused to convert, oppressed Christians and Jews whom they (at first) viewed as monotheistic, 'people of the Book'. The Crusades (although very simplistically put, as all these types of events are multi-faceted to be sure!) were a reaction to this Muslim take-over, especially of the Holy Land. I heard a historian also point out that the 'atrocities' we would define (being done on both sides) would not have been seen as unusual during that time frame: he cautioned us not to 'read into' historical events the culture we live in today.

It is all so very sad! And - yes - I shuddered at the loss of irreplaceable historical artifacts as well. I think what causes the 'terror' is the violence and brutality we would normally attribute to a more barbaric time. Sad...sad...

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1836 on:** March 11, 2015, 01:42:42 PM »

Oh kear hate to be a stickler but when the discussion turns political we have a political discussion for that - lets hope we are not confusing woman's issues with our opinion of our President.

mogamom · « **Reply #1837 on:** March 11, 2015, 03:20:37 PM »

That's a good point, BarbStAubrey.

Steph · « **Reply #1838 on:** March 12, 2015, 08:29:42 AM »

You are right Barb.. I just got carried away from disappointment.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1839 on:** March 31, 2015, 08:22:38 PM »

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2015/03/holland-island-house-animation/

I think I have mentioned in here before that our area has been said by scientists to be one of the first here in the states to feel the effects of climate change. Here is a perfectly gorgeous brand new very short film made in what to me is also a brand new medium, clay on glass! And animated, too! Wow! I love the artist's sense of humor in including take offs on very famous works of art. But it is a sort of gallows humor, for we really are losing our islands here in the Chesapeake Bay, and this filmlet tells an absolutely true story of a very real house. Do watch all the way through the credits, please!

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