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« Reply #2200 on: October 14, 2015, 08:47:54 PM »
Happy Birthday Jean
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« Reply #2201 on: October 15, 2015, 09:09:30 AM »
Happy Birthday Jean,.. on your friends moving. Facebook is wonderful for this and I keep up with friends all over the US.
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« Reply #2202 on: October 19, 2015, 03:37:22 PM »
This article by Hilary Angus originally appeared on Momentum Mag on March 5, 2015.

Susan B. Anthony, famed suffragette leader and women’s rights reformer, once said of the bicycle, “I think it has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world. It gives women a feeling of freedom and self-reliance.” Anthony described the image of a woman on a bicycle as “the picture of free, untrammeled womanhood.”

It may seem surprising that the bicycle could have played such a pivotal role in the women’s rights movement. What exactly was it about this familiar two-wheeled transportation device that lent itself so freely to unparalleled social change?

In the mid 1800s, when the early women’s rights movement was gathering steam in the West, there were clearly defined roles and expectations for women. A woman’s place was thought to be in the home, and her role was a domestic one. But as women pushed back against these structures and demanded a place in the public sphere, the bicycle came to be emblematic of their bid for freedom. By enabling women to control their own transportation needs, it offered an autonomy that had previously been out of reach. Riding a bicycle shattered norms of appropriate conduct for women of the day and ushered in a new era of women asserting control over their bodies and behavior.

But the bicycle’s role as a catalyst for social change did not stop there. Amelia Bloomer, another famous women’s rights advocate and the namesake of the 1800’s women’s pants commonly referred to as “bloomers,” made dress reform a cornerstone of her work. Bloomer believed the full-length skirts and dresses worn by women in the 1800s to be restrictive and overburdening. A woman in a long skirt or dress could not easily ride a bicycle, and a woman who could not ride a bicycle was inhibited. Rather than be discouraged, Bloomer and many of her contemporaries switched to pants so they could ride unencumbered.

To those interested in maintaining the status quo, the image of a woman in bloomers was scandalous. The “unseemly” and “masculine” attire was so groundbreaking at the time that it came to be held as a symbol of the early women’s rights movement in much of the Western world. Bloomers provided women not only with the physical freedom of mobility and greater health, but served as a symbolic challenge to commonly-held notions of femininity, and represented a marked cultural shift away from the Victorian attitudes of the day.


In 1894, Annie “Londonderry” Kopchovsky was not unlike most 19th-century women. A Jewish immigrant, a 23-year-old mother of three and a dutiful housewife, Kopchovsky was neither a cyclist nor an advocate for women’s rights. But when two men made an alleged bet that no woman could encircle the globe on a bicycle while earning $5,000 along the way, Kopchovksy took up the challenge.

Leaving from Boston in full skirts on a 42-pound Columbia bicycle, Kopchovsky set out to prove to the world that women were not only physically and mentally strong, but fully capable of providing for themselves in a man’s world. She carried advertising placards on her bicycle and on her person to earn money on the journey, and even adopted the surname Londonderry as a contract with the Londonderry Lithia Spring Water company. She bicycled through Europe and North Africa and sailed on to the South Pacific before returning to the states through San Francisco.

When she rolled in to Boston 15 months later, Londonderry was a new woman. Clad in bloomers and physically transformed, Londonderry went on to become a vocal—and popular—advocate for both cycling and women’s rights. The New York World remarked in 1895 that her trip was “the most extraordinary journey ever undertaken by a woman,” leaving an immeasurable impact on the attitudes about women—and of women—at that day.
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Kittie Knox

When Katie Knox walked into the annual meeting of the League of American Wheelmen (now the League of American Bicyclists) in 1895 and presented her membership card, she also presented a challenge to American racial segregation.

Knox, a bi-racial seamstress and avid cyclist (and at the time only 21 years old), had been a card-carrying member of the League since 1893. But when the League passed a color bar in 1894 declaring that only white people could be awarded membership, Knox’s status in the organization was called into question. Rather than accept the news sitting down, Knox got on her bike.

Clad in men’s clothing and with the support of her peers in the cycling community, Knox entered a racially segregated social space and calmly asserted her right to be there. While there are conflicting reports on the outcome of the day—some newspapers claimed she was denied entry while others said she was accepted—her appearance at the event nonetheless thrust the issues of race and gender into the public consciousness.

At a time when few black people—and even fewer black women—were riding bikes in the United States, Knox’s actions were groundbreaking. Receiving wide public support for the act from both black and white community members, Knox challenged public perceptions of both black people and women, igniting local and national debate about race and gender in the cycling world and in the wider community.

“Women Repairing Bicycle, c. 1895” by Unknown

If a bicycle offers a woman independence, then full independence can be achieved only through total responsibility for your bicycle. This was the idea behind Maria Ward’s “Bicycling for Ladies,” a definitive guide to cycling for women published in 1896. Ward aimed to emancipate women from reliance on men by teaching them everything they need to know about buying, riding and maintaining a bicycle.

While almost all women of the day had mastered domestic technical skills such as sewing, more mechanical skills such as bicycle repair were thought to be the domain of men. Ward maintained that women were no less capable of mechanical pursuits than their male counterparts, writing in her introduction to “Women and Tools,” “I hold that any woman who is able to use a needle or scissors can use other tools equally well.”

Bicycling for Ladies” covered everything from choosing a bicycle to cycling etiquette to the laws of mechanics and physiology, providing women with the tools they needed—both literal and figurative—to ride their way to freedom.
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« Reply #2203 on: October 20, 2015, 11:29:36 AM »
Interesting information, Barbara. I knew the Anthony quote and understood the importance of the bicycle to women, but I had not heard the other stories. All of this is apropos what with David McCullough's book on the Wright brothers recently published.

I'm sorry to hear MaryPage is not well. I hope you are soon feeling better. We miss you and your smart comments on SeniorLearn.

Thank you all for the birthday greetings. The lunch with my friend was wonderful. She recently had a conversation with Elizabeth Cady Stanton's grt granddgt. Everyone is gearing up for the centennial of women's winning the right to vote in 2020.

Megan Smith, the computer guru at the White House recently asked the Archives director to let her see the original document of the Declaration of Sentiments - the Stanton document based on the Dec of Independence - that was presented by Stanton and voted on at the first Women's Rights Convention at Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. It was the first call in the USA for women to have the vote. It turns out that no one knows where the original is and Megan has gone on a hunt for it. Barbara thought Coline -the grtgrndgt - might have some ideas of who might have it.

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« Reply #2204 on: October 21, 2015, 08:51:25 AM »
You would think that something that relevant would have been archived, but alas, it was for women, not the all important men.
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« Reply #2205 on: October 21, 2015, 06:05:20 PM »
I just saw that Harriet Tubman is going to be the honored woman replacing Andrew Jackson on the $10 bill. 
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« Reply #2206 on: October 22, 2015, 08:32:32 AM »
oh darn. I did so want Eleanor. She helped all people.. but the current style seems to be to honor mimorities.
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« Reply #2207 on: October 22, 2015, 08:38:09 AM »
I think they should have created a $25 bill, instead, and that Margaret Sanger should be on it.  Harriet Tubman was one fantastic woman, and I salute her.  But Margaret Sanger saved generations of women, and her good work goes on into the future, albeit not without unceasing resistance from the women-haters.  Poor Sanger is long in her grave, and even this very day they are writing lies about her. 

Thank you, Jean, for your concern for me.  I have a Sciatica situation here, with pain these last weeks that just grows and grows, until now it is unrelenting.  I was diagnosed August 5th, and they tried physical therapy and it just grew worse and they tried Prednisone and it just grew worse and they gave me an MRI and found my spine in really bad shape.  I am to have a lumbar nerve root block on Monday, for which I have hope, but just now the pain is all.  It is 24/7.  On the upside, having no appetite I have lost 5 pounds. 

Seriously, I think a $25 bill would come in handy these days.  Wasn't necessary back in the day.  I earned $30 a week at my very first job!

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« Reply #2208 on: October 22, 2015, 04:48:22 PM »
Oh, MaryPage, I can so sympathize with your back pain. Thank goodness mine is not sciatica, this time, so i can have good control over it with being careful how I sit or lay down and otc drugs. Mine is a fractured vertabrae and a herniated disk, which I guess everybody our age has at least one of.

I support any of those women to be on currancy, but I do think MS and ER had a much more profound and long lasting influence on the world than Harriet Tubman. I assume it was on this site, but i don't remember for sure, but someone suggested why not have more than one woman, makes sense to me. Why does it have to be just one? I assume scanners read the number, not the picture. Of course, there is the whole movement of the "woman on the 20 on 2020", to celebrate the 19th amendment. Again, why does it have to be just one women? We've had various people on a dollar coin???

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« Reply #2209 on: October 22, 2015, 05:09:52 PM »
Thank you, Jean, and yes, I most certainly DO NOT want to take away one scintilla of praise due and/or acknowledgment of Harriet Tubman;  not for a nanosecond.

But if we are to be, as indeed we are, allowed the face of only ONE woman on our male dominated currency, I do think it should be a woman who has exercised an influence upon the most possible number of people.  And for that reason, like you, Eleanor Roosevelt and Margaret Sanger were, I felt, the two best candidates, with Sanger trumping Roosevelt for the most fish in her net.

Thank goodness we are confined to just American women, as our country is not all that old and we do not have as large an eligible group as we would have were we to take in the entire world history of women.  God knows Marie Curie was responsible for saving a lot of our lives!

Oh, well.  Three cheers for Harriet.  When I think on it, I realize that it was the men, and not the women, of this country who really, really hated Eleanor Roosevelt and who to this day hate, hate, hate Margaret Sanger!  Of COURSE they would vote for Tubman!

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« Reply #2210 on: October 22, 2015, 05:30:20 PM »
I would vote for Harriet Tubman as well. 

As a nurse, I had heard nothing but positive things about Margaret Sanger in my training.  And I was surprised when women I met did not always share my impression of her.  I decided to read some of her works myself; and I must say that I was horrified at some of the views she voiced and some of the proposals she pushed for.  So, given that I think many women may have objected to her being featured, Tubman, seems to me, is a much more unifying choice.

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« Reply #2211 on: October 22, 2015, 05:54:53 PM »
Possible correction:  I've just read that Tubman won the popular vote to be on the $20, but that the Treasury Department hasn't made it's final decision yet.  Guess I need to do more checking.  Sorry about that.
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« Reply #2212 on: October 23, 2015, 08:50:12 AM »
Funny, I have never ever heard a woman who did not approve of Margaret Sanger, lots of men, no women,, same with Eleanor,, men hated her, women loved her... oh well, it will be men who decide so it doesnt matter what we think.. Since we are half the population, we should get half of the bills and coins to be on, but that wont happen either.
MaryPage, sciatica sounds truly dreadful.. If you need to yell and scream, you have my email and I will listen and not tell you any cures, just listening.
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« Reply #2213 on: October 23, 2015, 09:44:11 AM »
There are not many women, especially educated women, who do not like Margaret Sanger.  There is one problem I have with her, and that is that she did not approve of abortion.  But she did advocate and fight for the right of women to use birth control.

There was and still is an insidious campaign against her, especially affecting the black community.  She was said to be a eugenicist, which she most definitely was not.  But she KNEW some, and was declared guilty by association.  In those days, you could not not know some, I swear.  At least that was so in my home state of Virginia.  I have just read the wonderful history of Autism titled NeuroTribes, and it tells you of the very strong eugenicist movement in this country IN MY LIFETIME!  Horrific stuff to ingest, but Hitler may well have gotten a lot of his ideas about doing away with those labeled "feeble-minded" right from OUR doctors right here in the United States!  I had heard little bits and pieces previously, but never before did I know it was so prevalent here.  Truly ghastly stuff. 
But the lies about Margaret Sanger were written and told by men in an attempt to stop women from obtaining their freedom from child bearing.  I'll not tell you any of the details here, but urge you to Google "lies about Margaret Sanger."  That alone will give you a most unpleasant feast of material.
Margaret Sanger was a good woman.  My Aunt Virginia knew her and admired her totally, and I have heard nothing but good things about her all of my life, with the exception of the lying propaganda.  It has always been true that if you are a woman standing up for something, there will be absolute avalanches of horrid lies told about you.  Goes with the territory.
Speaking of which, have you seen the latest, what is her name, Flo?  Fran?  Flo, I think.  The one who does those Progressive Insurance ads.  A man is saying that women don't work, and she says "Yes, they do" and he says "Where is your husband?"  I lived through those days and can attest that they were real.  That was the way it was, and you were practically a harlot if you were married and held down a job "a man could fill."  All single women had to be household help or teachers, nurses or secretaries.
Steph, I thank you.  This pain defines the limits of my almost one dimensional world these days.  I count the moments until Monday morning, and am putting all of my hope in that nerve block.  My family is taking great care of me.  You are a real sweetheart.  By the way, are you in Florida now?  I saw a documentary on PBS last night about sinkholes in Florida that will be giving me nightmares for a long time to come.
Now seriously, Galfriends:  Google Lies About Margaret Sanger

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« Reply #2214 on: October 23, 2015, 12:39:45 PM »
I don't remember how i got in the conversation, but i once was talking with an evangelical minister who said Sanger was a racist. I investigated that and discovered that that label was put on her when she spoke to the wives of a KKK group in southern NJ about birth control! So more guilt by association!

When Rosa Ruiz, US Treasurer was at the Alice Paul Institute she wouldn't say who had been chosen to be on the $10 bill but she said "you will be very pleased." I took that to mean someone like ER. I'm sure it will not be MS, she is much too controversial these days, having been the founder of Planned Parenthood.

"Helen and Margaret" have been all over the Texas attack on PP. just their "headlines" have been hilarious.

http://margaretandhelen.com

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« Reply #2215 on: October 23, 2015, 12:44:37 PM »
Oh, meant to mention how proud i was of Hillary yesterday. She was cool and confident and competent! I think the Repubs shot themselves in the foot, they looked rude, aggressive, even  idiotic about the whole issue. Even Gowdy said today they had learned nothing new, as though it was her resposibility to tell them something new, not their responsibility to ask new questions, or that there is NOTHING new to find.

Barbara, are you o.k., re: fires. And i hope you will be safe re: coming torrents of rain.

Jean

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« Reply #2216 on: October 23, 2015, 12:51:53 PM »
just peeked in - getting ready for the floods - need to dig the trench along the front of my house a bit deeper and get a few groceries while I can.

Bad fire last weekend in neighborhood in which 3 firefighters were very badly burned - second floor of the Condo fell on top of them. the greenbelt behind the condo was in flames and lept to the condo - we in the neighborhood are housing and chipping in to care for 51 of the displaced Condo owners.
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« Reply #2217 on: October 23, 2015, 01:05:35 PM »
I was busting proud of Hilary.

But the behavior and facial expressions of the Republican committee members was a blot on the reputation of the House of Representatives of these United States.

They have all been partaking of something.  Something poisonous rotten.  They speak and behave in such a truly stupid manner, and they are supposed to have educations and be representative of the citizens who voted them into office.  Scary, it is.  So very demoralizing and depressing and downright scary.

One thing that amazes me is that they are so ignorant of the workings of the State Department.  I swear, they do not seem to know as much as I do!  Granted, I had a sister in law who spent her entire career in embassies and consulates around this world, but still, I learned very little from HER.  But even I know there is very little emailing at State.  They use the phone and the cable system.  She, Hilary Clinton that is, would have been communicating with the legation in Libya by phone and cable, and NOT by email!  Scheesch!

If Hilary could just get it in her head that they know less than most kindergartners, she could probably come up with a primer to give them a quickie education.  But I don't really think she is aware of how totally lacking in the facts they are, and god knows THEY themselves think they know it ALL!

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« Reply #2218 on: October 23, 2015, 01:43:23 PM »
jean, I LOVE Margaret & Helen!
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« Reply #2219 on: October 23, 2015, 01:48:09 PM »
I must move among a very different group of women - many with degrees, some not.  Women without degrees are not necessarily uneducated?  But many from those I know had real problems with Sanger's tone and hostility; given she was fighting an up-hill battle, I didn't think that was unusual.  But I heard the same things you posted here after college about Sanger - so I drew my own conclusions from her own writings!

Hillary sounded cool to me - but illogical as her answers contradicted each other.  Sorry - I didn't believe her.  Even though the Democrats gave speeches supportive of her efforts and even brought up that Rice didn't turn over even 1 page of e- mails.....but you all remember that Rice had none to turn over, right?  Because they were all on government servers and left behind in the State Department (sorry this is written poorly as I am on an iPad; not my favorite tool   :)).





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« Reply #2220 on: October 23, 2015, 01:56:46 PM »
What contradictions did you find in her answers?    ❓

What did you not believe?   ⁉️   

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« Reply #2221 on: October 23, 2015, 01:59:40 PM »
What impressed me the most is Hillary Clinton's demeanor after 11 hours of hearing. She stayed calm and dignified. She appeared the most statesmanlike of any of the candidates for President.

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« Reply #2222 on: October 23, 2015, 05:33:01 PM »
Hilary Clinton will be on the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC tonight at nine Eastern time.

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« Reply #2223 on: October 24, 2015, 09:25:21 AM »
hmm. three different Secretaries of State used private email servers.. It has been everywhere for months, but the republicans dont seem to c are and the man in charge of the committee is unbelievable. Going back to elementary school, he was the Eddie of his generations. She did a good job, just like the news said, the ones who want to believe will and the ones who dont wont,, but do remember Iran and the captives from the embassy. People blamed Carter, not the Secretary of State. Some people are going to be against Hillary, no matter what.. I suspect whatever woman was running, they would still hate them..
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« Reply #2224 on: October 24, 2015, 09:58:52 AM »
Unfortunately, I have to agree with every word you say, Steph.  I say unfortunately because it is such an indictment of our male chauvinist pig congress, and oh how I, as a child of the Shenandoah and the Blue Ridge right here in these United States, would wish to Praise that very same Congress and cite them as a group of singular glory to the rest of the world.  Alas, their outrageous behavior and unbecoming motivations shame us hugely.  Shame us.

But yes, Hilary was fantastic.  And last night both Rachel and Hilary were fantastic.  Best interview EV  ER  !

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« Reply #2225 on: October 24, 2015, 11:00:58 AM »
As for the email as used by other Secretaries of State, this matter really has NOT been put in perspective.  First of all, the Clintons ALREADY HAD and were using their own server in their own home in New York before Hilary was made Secretary of State.  Not weird at all, considering he had been PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!  I mean, ANYone in that situation would WANT their own server, for crying out loud!

Then there is this:  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/23/hillary-clinton/clinton-says-john-kerry-was-first-secretary-state-/

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« Reply #2226 on: October 24, 2015, 11:20:20 AM »
I was glued to the TV and watched the whole thing and was exhausted.  I was impressed with Hillary.  Her intelligence and command of facts is astounding.  I am surprised that many of our representatives understand so little about the government they represent.  My husband was just as impressed as I was with Hillary.

I was also impressed with Tammy Duckworth who actually was non-partisan in her questions and stuck to questions about remedying any future problems.  Although in those "hot spots" there will never be complete security.

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« Reply #2227 on: October 24, 2015, 01:22:55 PM »
The new "government" in Libya was and is well disposed towards us.  We had high hopes for both the country, which Stevens knew well and had lots of friendly contacts in, and for our relationship with the new government.
He was gung ho to get back there and get to work.  Full of enthusiasm for doing so.  Raring to get that consulate up and running.
Neither the Libyan government nor our Intelligence had any inklings of trouble to come.  We thought the Security squad we had on site was sufficient unto the day.  No one in the Security section of the Department of State thought it necessary to add more security, and it was never brought to the Secretary of State as a possible problem.
We have hundreds of embassies, consulates and legations all over this world.  Ever so many years one gets attacked by one terrorist group or another, protesting one grievance or another.
No one has previously tried to hold ANY Secretary of State's feet to the fire because of an attack and a loss of American lives.

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« Reply #2228 on: October 25, 2015, 09:18:38 AM »
Thats what is so weird and wrong about all of the witch hunts. Noone has ever been held accountable like they want to hold her. How wrong is that..
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« Reply #2229 on: October 25, 2015, 10:51:16 AM »
In the 1983 suicide bombing at our embassy in Beirut, 63 died, 17 of them Americans.  No inquisition of the Secretary of State, or the Ambassador or of President Ronald Reagan.  Instead, the congress voted for lots more money to help Lebanon!

You see, the Democrats are always full of empathy, as opposed to an automatic reaction of finger pointing and blame pasting. And of course the Republicans were not about to ask so much as a wisp of a question about any part or portion of their sainted Ronald Reagan's administration.

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« Reply #2230 on: October 25, 2015, 10:21:46 PM »
This is a short excerpt from Politifact:

Two of those individuals haven’t provided personal emails for good reason: They didn’t use email much during their time at the State Department. According to MSNBC, an aide for Albright said she "did not use email while she was in office" from 1997 to 2001.

Similarly, Rice, head of the State Department from 2005 to 2009, was not a habitual emailer either, according to multiple reports. As Harf noted in a State Department briefing, "Secretary Rice has repeatedly said that she did not regularly use email," and a spokesperson for Rice told ABC, "She did not use personal email for official communication as secretary."

Essentially, two of the four former officials contacted didn’t turn any emails over because they didn’t have any to turn over. That’s pretty important context.

And what about Powell, who served as Secretary of State during President George W. Bush’s first term? Powell appeared on ABC’s This Week to answers those questions.

Apparently, Powell can’t turn over any documents. Why? Because he doesn’t have them anymore.
"I retained none of those e-mails and we are working with the State Department to see if there's anything else they want to discuss with me about those emails," he said.
"I did not keep a cache of them. I did not print them off," he added. "I do not have thousands of pages somewhere in my personal files."

Harf acknowledged in a March 4 briefing that Powell's "account has been closed for a number of years," and said, "He’s looking to see if there’s anything responsive he still has."

You can draw your own conclusions about Powell not saving official emails from a 10-year-old account, and the relevance of that revelation to the Clinton controversy. Powell said most of his important correspondence would have been archived already, since they were sent to staff who had State Department accounts.

But it does shed light on why Powell didn’t provide emails to the State Department, and it also demonstrates that he has taken steps to comply with the request, even if only recently.

So to recap: The State Department reached out to four former secretaries asking about personal email accounts. Two have said they rarely used email, the third used personal email but had no records to turn over and the fourth was Clinton.

That makes Schumer’s defense fairly hollow when you think about it.

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« Reply #2231 on: October 26, 2015, 08:50:51 AM »
hmm. How about you are taking Rice and Albrights word, not actually looking.. Sorry, but I am so sick of this whole thing. The republicans are beating a dead horse over and over. Please take the little chairman somewhere and drown him, I dislike smirkers and he is a champion.
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« Reply #2232 on: October 26, 2015, 09:50:43 AM »
It is just a red herring - we know that the majority of communications from any State Department location outside the US is done by Cable or direct phone and we also know that every president past and present have their own server and ever wife of every president, past and present uses that server thats when you realize this whole thing is nuts.

In the meantime Congress decided it needed a raise however SS payments will not see a raise again for the second year in a row...
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2233 on: October 26, 2015, 09:59:09 AM »
First I'm told that State Department business is not done by e-mail; that they use the phone or meet in person.  Well, phones records are kept.  Now I'm being told that two other State Department heads (both women, by the way - one even a Dem.) used emails too and we're just taking their word for it.  Actually we aren't?  The State Department has confirmed that those e-mails were sent from the department and never left the premises.  Which is also a requirement. 

What I was struck by was the parsing of words - what people think of as 'lawyer-talk'.  Remember, she didn't say that she was unaware of the request for more security; the department had records for at least 20 such requests since the middle of August; and the British had already pulled out.  Stevens was told they lacked resources.  And someone actually gave an order for our military - close enough to intervene and evacuate personnel - to 'stand down'; who?  The attack actually lasted 7-8 hours - plenty of time there - and the military was ready and willing.  But four men died - two were burned alive!  And what ever happened to the man arrested for making a video?  No, these 'investigations' just turn up more questions than they answer.

As for being tired of it all - I got tired of hearing about Nixon, Iran-Contra, Bush's War.  But I still thought it was worth enduring to find the truth, don't you?  Don't the victims deserve at least that?

Mrs. Clinton said that such a request 'never came across my desk'.  She wouldn't answer direct questions with a direct answer.  And she said that no e-mails were sent or received that were marked classified.  How would anyone know, since she destroyed so many of them?  Besides, the rule is that she be able to identify 'sensitive' information, whether it is labeled 'classified' or not.  Many e-mails have already been extracted that fit that category.  Was she unable to discern information anyone in that position is required to be able to do? 

And why did she send them to a small tech company where people (presumably) could access them?  And why did big-money individuals (like Blumenthal) get special access to her?  Apparently he wanted the regime in Libya toppled because he was advancing a business proposition and meeting resistance?  And why did so much money pour in to the Clinton Foundation from people/nations who could receive direct benefit from access to the White House?

She can't have it both ways.  She was either carefully attending to and assessing the security risk in these areas - even to closing/evacuating some; or she had no idea of the need because she was leaving everything up to two under-secretaries, one position she appears to have created herself.  Stevens was also 'hand picked' by her.

It was an election.  The bad guys were supposed to be 'on the run'.  Libya was supposed to be 'fixed'.  The illusion needed to be defended?  Even if you don't believe that happened, surely you can see how it might be viewed that way?

Compassion should go to the victims here! 

But it is all a dance.  Well choreographed.  The players have their long-established parts and big-money individuals/corporations will have their way.  It's just ours to watch play out I guess.

MaryPage

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2234 on: October 26, 2015, 10:00:57 AM »
Not just a smirker.  That is not the total of the way I saw him.  I saw total contempt of Secretary Clinton written all over his face and in his body language.  He so very obviously belongs to that tribe of haters who go into a "public hearing with the objective of getting to the bottom of a situation," but who actually have their minds made up and locked in place before hand.

"You have to be taught, before it's too late, to hate all the people your relatives hate.  You have to be carefully taught."

I like folks who approach any given conversation with congeniality and an obvious desire to give everyone present full trust and belief.  I expect after these Benghazi hearings there will be many lifelong Republicans who, just as I did, find they are all jumbled up in a bunch of zany creeps and wonder where in the world are the sane guys and how did their party get so off track from their original values of Peace, Progress & Prosperity, not to mention civil rights and individual privacy.

MaryPage

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2235 on: October 26, 2015, 10:04:46 AM »
Stevens had been with the Foreign Service for some time, and had even been posted to Libya twice previously, where he had great contacts.  It was a very natural thing for him to be promoted to Ambassador.  He was a CAREER employee, and not a political appointee.

mogamom

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2236 on: October 26, 2015, 11:06:18 AM »
Yes.  That's true. But Mrs. Clinton did want him there....he was her choice.  Then she said she hadn't heard from him since his appointment in May.

MaryPage

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2237 on: October 26, 2015, 11:51:59 AM »
There is a news item in our local paper, The Capital (named because Annapolis is the capital of Maryland) this very day that is typical of what I am talking about.  The headline is:
Former state Senate candidate Quinn exits GOP
The article is too long for me to copy here, but Don Quinn is an elected member of this County’s (Anne Arundel County in Maryland) Republican State Central Committee.  These are the folks who actually RUN the party in our county and city, and you don’t get elected to that august body unless you have been around for quite a while and done a lot of service in party ranks.
Quinn has quit because:
“Sadly, my days on the central committee have shown that the party leadership does not share my vision for how to achieve a better Maryland and a stronger, more inclusive America.
Unfortunately I have found myself thwarted by a culture that is rooted in the past, refuses to look to the horizon, and prefers business as usual.”
In particular, Quinn favors saving the Chesapeake Bay, which is now 70% dead (no oxygen in the water and therefore no life), bringing our educational system up to snuff, and taking steps to save us all from the affects of Climate Change.  Local Republicans want Nature to bring the Bay back to health, want to cut funds for education, and believe Climate Change is a hoax.
Those are just some of the things mentioned in the article, all of which are quite interesting and typical.
OK, so much for what Quinn, now a brand new democrat, had to say.  Here is what the recent president of the Maryland Young Republicans (hey, back in the day I was their VICE president!) Brian Griffiths had to say in response:
“My read of this letter is that Don Quinn is a lazy, insufferable egomaniac who thought he could pull a fast one of voters and infiltrate his liberal views into the Republican Party.  A shocking level of political naivete.”

mabel1015j

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2238 on: October 26, 2015, 01:36:12 PM »
Jus plain fun with a nice message about "awesome girls." Interesting website too.

http://youtu.be/RTezIzJW1No

MaryPage

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2239 on: October 27, 2015, 10:26:41 AM »
There is a brand new book out titled NOTORIOUS RBG

all about Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the life long fight she has made on behalf of women.  The reviews are excellent.