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MaryPage

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« Reply #240 on: February 22, 2013, 09:29:56 AM »
Women's Issues
If Art imitates Life, what does Literature show about the place of women in our society? From the Red Tent to the new movie Anna Karenina,  to Malala Yousafzai in the news, has the state of women changed? What IS the state of women today, in your opinion?

Let's talk about how women are portrayed in the press, and in literature, and how accurate it is.   How does advertising reflect, if it does, how women are portrayed?  (Remember heels and pearls to sell refrigerators?)

How does it seem to you that women are portrayed today?

Let's talk
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #241 on: February 22, 2013, 12:08:05 PM »
Good news! CSPAN is broadcasting a series on First Ladies. It looks like it will be wonderful. If it is as good as their president's series, i will be watching every program. Sorry, i don't know how to shorten the link.

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« Reply #242 on: February 23, 2013, 06:34:27 AM »
too long for my computer to pick up, but I will check the local CSPAN.
I have read several books that picked up stories on the different styles of first ladies. It has changed enormously.
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« Reply #243 on: February 23, 2013, 08:59:39 AM »
Thank you so much!  I was able to check it out and I have marked my calendar for every Monday night through June 10.  Fun!

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« Reply #244 on: February 23, 2013, 11:33:41 AM »
Here are two sites with books about first ladies. I read the two volumes by Carl Anthony and liked them.

http://www.amazon.com/First-Ladies-Carl-Sferrazza-Anthony/dp/0688125751

http://www.firstladies.org/books_carl_anthony.aspx

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« Reply #245 on: February 23, 2013, 11:38:19 AM »
I just noticed booktv is presenting an author who wrote a bio on Martha Washinton at noon today, and at 1:00 a book about Rosa Parks.

MaryPage

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« Reply #246 on: February 24, 2013, 09:51:45 AM »
TUESDAY night at 8:00 P.M. on PBS

WOMEN WHO MAKE AMERICA

It has taken eight years to make Our movie.  Don't miss it.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #247 on: February 24, 2013, 11:01:23 AM »
I have a reminder set.

maryz

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« Reply #248 on: February 24, 2013, 11:15:04 AM »
It took a while to find it, but I finally did.  The First Ladies series on CSpan runs on Mondays from 9-10:30 p.m.ET (with repeats from 11:59pm-1:30 a.m).  That it's a 90-minute program is important to know if you're recording it (which I'll probably be doing).
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« Reply #249 on: February 25, 2013, 06:18:13 AM »
hmm, not quite sure I will watch, may record it or see if Netflix will have it sooner or later.. I watch The Exotic Marigold Hotel yesterday. Had ordered it on Netflix.. What fun..Except I could not bear to live there. Could not deal with the noise and all those people.. Oh me.. I get very very upset in crowds now.. Am short and hate being pushed. But a hotel that catered to older people in a city.. as permanent guests. That part sounded like fun.. I would love it for Charleston,Savannah,Asheville,, lots of southern towns..
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« Reply #250 on: February 25, 2013, 01:02:42 PM »
Actually, I think we will like the First Lady series that begins tonight, Steph.  I may, of course, be mistaken;  but everything I have heard and read leads me to believe it will be first quality pictorial and verbal history.

As for the Tuesday night one time only show, I KNOW that will please and thrill us.  PBS tomorrow night.

I found the show last night disgustingly misogynistic, what with the tasteless jokes and the song "We Saw Your Boobs!"  Also a lot of racial jokes.  I rooted for the women in the audience to get up and depart, and then the Jews, and then the blacks.  But it just did not happen.  Can't upset those who butter the bread, I suppose.

Anyway, locker room dirty talk aside, I enjoyed the gowns and the jewels and the incomparable Streisand singing The Way We Were in honor of Marvin Hamlisch.  Beyond beautiful, and she did it so privately and in such good taste.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #251 on: February 25, 2013, 09:09:20 PM »
First Ladies got shifted to CSPAN2 -  AKA Booktv!

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« Reply #252 on: February 26, 2013, 06:23:14 AM »
Cannot find CSPAN2 on my cable list.. Hmm. Will check the specials list, but I would guess that I don't have it.
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #253 on: February 26, 2013, 11:15:52 AM »
The Martha Washington program was excellent. If you didn't see it or want to see additional info and videos- especially about Mount Vernon - go to CSPAN.org. They will probably reshow it this week, especially on the weekend.  I was somewhat upset that they switched the program to CSPAN2, because i think many who have only basic cable get only CSPAN1.

Last night Charlie Rose had Gloria Steinam and the producer of The Makers: Women who Make America on his show. You probably can see it on PBS.org, or Charlie Rose.org. It was an interesting conversation.

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« Reply #254 on: February 26, 2013, 01:23:25 PM »
Jean, I appreciated your heads-up about the channel change last night.  I have the series planned to record, but I got there in time to change the channel.  I wonder if the rest of the series will be on #1 or #2.
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« Reply #255 on: February 26, 2013, 03:42:00 PM »
I missed it Looking foeward to "The Makers" tonight (Tuesday) on PBS.

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« Reply #256 on: February 26, 2013, 07:57:45 PM »
I was surprised by the format of the First Ladies show on C-Span 2 last night.  Lucky me!  For once, a channel I need is actually in my line up!

But I enjoyed it immensely.  I had not KNOWN that Patricia did not exist as a name in the 18th century and that Pat or Patsy was the nickname for a Martha, just as Peggy or Meg is the nickname for Margaret.  Thus George Washington ALWAYS referred to his wife as "Patsy!"  Who knew?

Lots of little details that were fascinating, not the least of which was that our first First Lady was a beautiful young woman!

I did get annoyed when the moderator kept referring to Martha as having been in or part of The White House, when I knew, as each of you must know if you think about it, that The White House did not even exist as yet.  The Historians kept correcting her, nicely.  The one finally pointed out that not only had The White House not been built or thought of back at that time, but Washington, D.C. just barely existed as a place!

I do so much look forward to tonight's WOMEN WHO MADE AMERICA.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #257 on: February 26, 2013, 10:52:44 PM »
Makers:Women who Make America was wonderful! I'm proud that i was a part of that history.

Jean

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« Reply #258 on: February 26, 2013, 11:11:36 PM »
I was SO enraged during the 1991 hearings about Clarence Thomas, with all those male senators horrified at the thought that one of their huge prerogatives as men, i.e. the right to sexually tease women in the workplace and anywhere encountered with the hope of seducing them, would be publically challenged as a reason to disqualify them as members of the club who rule us, make our laws, interpret those laws, and rule upon the constitutionality of those laws, that I made a scrapbook.  This scrapbook is now over 20 years old and of enormous interest and value.

It is a large loose-leaf notebook full of plastic pages in which I inserted every newspaper clipping, cartoon, comic comment, magazine article and photo I could find on the subject.

Did you know that TWO MORE women came forward to testify as to exactly the same type of experiences with Clarence Thomas, and those men of the senate refused to call them before them and allow them to be heard on the record?

From tonight's program, you learned that the women of the House of Representatives had to fight to get them to hear Professor Anita Hill!

Anita Hill has been vindicated, and my scrap book would thrill you to pieces.  But hey, get this:  Clarence Thomas has held his seat on the Supreme Court Lo these 20+ years, and can be there for LIFE if he so chooses.  So being a dirty lecher is still OK whenever you can do it without being seen or heard by anyone but the victim of your assault.

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« Reply #259 on: February 27, 2013, 09:13:08 AM »
He bothers me on so many levels.. So does his wife.. I am not quite sure that justice for life is a good idea.. but the founding fathers did not specify..
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #260 on: February 27, 2013, 12:53:59 PM »
I'm watching Alex Wagner talk to Sen Claire  about the Repubs stonewalling the Violence Against Women Act. Phyllis Schafly said the women's movement focused on women as victims. Does fighting against your own oppression stipulate that you identify as "victim?" or as a "fighter against victimization?"

This article was in today's Nurse Clio blog. Sorry if the title is offensive, but the situations she addressed are unbelievable in 2013, and at UNC!?!

http://nursingclio.org/2013/02/27/wtf-no-seriously-wtf/

On a brighter note, Mary, did you see Vivian Stringer had her 900th win last night? (She's the coach of the Rutgers women's basketball team and a favorite of Mary and mine.)


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« Reply #261 on: February 27, 2013, 01:01:04 PM »
I hadn't seen that, Jean (about C. Vivian), and John hadn't mentioned it.  Thanks for letting me know.  She's definitely one of the best!

And, BTW, I think the title of the article you gave the link to is not only appropriately named, but possibly named very conservatively.   ::)
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #262 on: February 27, 2013, 01:05:22 PM »
Agree!!!

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« Reply #263 on: February 27, 2013, 03:27:45 PM »
I'm proud to have been part of that movement, too, in a small way.

MaryPage

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« Reply #264 on: February 27, 2013, 03:55:31 PM »
I worked hard for it.  I still own the first copy of MS, and my twin first cousin, who died in 1994, had an article in it.

I marched in every single Pro-Choice demonstration held in Washington, D.C.  Have all the buttons to prove it.  I marched in the Million Moms march and a number of others.  I worked tirelessly for the ERA, and still feel numb with disbelief.

Oh well;  we have come a long way, but hey hey, not far enough.  There is still a lot of hatred of women out there, and most of it comes from the fundamentalist Christian churches run by men.  Make no mistake about it.  From the beginning until just before I retired, I was a member of NOW.  I demonstrated at a local clinic when I lived in Virginia.  Demonstrated against the anti-abortion demonstrators, that is.  I am too old for all that now, and too poor to support it.  But I have such a huge hope that this generation will not get slack about it.  So much remains to be done.  With women 51% of the population, we should hold 51% of the elected offices so there can be real, true representation.  Oh, and in 1977 I attended a Conscious Raising course.  I think it was 10 weeks, or maybe it was ten sessions.  I remember so well a young woman who wept and wept as she relived being raped and reporting it to the local police and they did not believe her.  I was mesmerized and devastated.   

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« Reply #265 on: February 28, 2013, 06:33:00 AM »
I marched for choice and against Viet Nam.. Women simply do not win against some of the very evangelical churches and many women in those churches are their own worst enemies. ERA still needs to be, but probably wont in our generation.. But I did see on the NYTimes yesterday that the House is reconsidering the violence against women act.. A lot of protests and they are moving slowly, but at least considering.
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« Reply #266 on: February 28, 2013, 11:22:13 AM »
I wish rather desperately that History was a must take subject from our earliest days onward and that teachers did not wait until college to tell something of the truth to students, but that they drew comparisons and connected the dots from Elementary School on.

Some things have just never entered folks minds.  They are born and they die, maybe at age 94 or upwards, and it never occurs to them HOW they came to think the way they do and have the traditional attitudes they do, all mentally and emotionally barricaded in their own cultures as they are.

For instance, the carrot on the stick:  Be Brave and Go Forth and Fight for Your Own and The Faith and you will, if killed, go instantly to:  Valhalla, Paradise, Heaven, Nirvana, Elysium, The Kingdom, you fill in the blank.  Whether it is Onward Christian Soldiers or Viking Berzerkers or Jewish Zealots or Muslim Jihadists or stone age female raiders;  men were all juiced up to Believe in instant eternal reward if they would just go out and Fight!

And it seems to me they have very few among them who has ever caught on to the fact they are being fed a yarn that is thousands upon thousands of years old (the Greeks were going to be hoisted up to Mount Olympus and become gods!) and pure baloney.  And they still FALL for it!  So pitiful!

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« Reply #267 on: February 28, 2013, 11:40:50 AM »
And in the same way, we women have not caught on to the way we are being used as part of a huge hoax to convince men they are cleansed of their sins!

Oh yes, the Sisterhood caught on some years back;  but most of us don't have a clue.

For the same amount of time men have been conned into dying for whatever reason their leader or leaders wish them to fight and die, women have been Blamed for distracting men and destroying their souls!  Or trying to.  Temptation resisted is glory for the man, but temptation yielded to is THE FAULT OF THE WOMAN.  Go figure!

But they are still at this very same game.  In our Senate.  In our House of Representatives.  And a woman cannot get pregnant if it is REAL rape.  Therefore, if she does get pregnant, obviously she consented to the union of bodies.  In fact, she most certainly ASKED for it!  Men are Off The Hook!

It is the means men invented eons back in Time to make themselves blameless and women creatures of low value harboring Satan in their souls!  A woman can curse their souls, but their innate virtue can give them full redemption, while the women should burn for their transgressions!  For trying to harm good saintly males!

I cannot tell you how many times, probably fifty or more, in my lifetime of working, because I worked from age 17 to age 75, and now I am still working, but in the family and for no wages, men would approach me on the sly when absolutely no one could see or hear them and say something dirty to me or try to touch me inappropriately or show me some picture or ask me to join them to listen to a dirty recording or tell me a filthy joke, all with the idea that this would titillate me and set me up for them to _____ whatever.  Always, always, always it was carefully done so they could totally deny any complaint I might make, were I so to do.

That is why I knew instantly that Anita Hill was telling the truth.  Her descriptions of his behavior were step by step and line by line identical to my own experiences.

And when you have children to support, as I did, you have even more reason than the one she gave of wanting to advance and get promoted in the job:  that is, you HAVE to feed your children.  So you resist like mad and make all KINDS of excuses, but you hang in there and try to simulate friendship.

I also encountered this in my neighborhoods.  The husbands of some of my closest and dearest friends amazed me by their clumsy attempts at seduction!  I never told my friends, but it was very demeaning and painful for me.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #268 on: February 28, 2013, 12:57:36 PM »
Our own her-stories are interesting and important.

(oh, Alex Wagner just said the House has passed the VAWA, i don't know what version it was, have to look for that.)

My parents were from farm families and we lived on a farm until i was two. My oldest sistr and her husband were farmers. I think in farm families, because everybody's bodies and brains are needed as part of the economic unit, that they tend to be more sexual egalitarian, if they are smart. Even though my Mother's family were farmers, her oldest sister, Mabel - for whom i was named, altho i was never called Mabel - and my Mother, who was born in 1898- who was the youngest - both went to Teacher's College. So i had a tradition of women working outside the household in the early 20th century. Also, my Father always said "You don't need to get married." Now, all three of us were able to go to college because it was in our town. None of us could have afforded to go if we had had to live on campus.

My husband says i was always a feminist, we met in college in 1962. My maternal family have been strong Scotch-Irish Presbyterians, including the four brothers who came to the colonies in the mid 1700s. Two of them started Presbyterian churches. Even though i went to church every week of my growing up life, it never really took for me, i guess i got my Dad's genes in that area. :) But i was in my teens while the Civil Rts activities were going on in the 50s and the ministers we had were very strong in their support. I got a strong lesson in equality from the church and i got to be a leader in many activities in the church, so i owe a lot of my confidence in speaking up to my experience in the church.
 
As an adult i was an exec director at the county YWCA, a very feminist organization, in the late 70s. We turned it into a "women's center." In the 80s i went to work in th Equal Opprtunity Office for Dept of Army, probably the only office i could have worked in in Dept of Army. :) I was the Federal Women's Program Manager, meaning i educated women and supervisors that women could work in non-tradtional jobs, and trained military and civilians about sexual harrassment, and facilitated the solving of problems for civilian women in her workplace.

Also during the 80s, i was co-chair of the Alice Paul NOW chapter and was on the founding Board if the Alice Paul Institute.

So, as you can see, my DH is right, i have always been a feminist, actually, i've always been a humanist. Equality for Everbody!

MaryPage

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« Reply #269 on: February 28, 2013, 02:25:47 PM »
Sounds to me as though you have enjoyed a good life.  Lovely to hear.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #270 on: February 28, 2013, 09:47:06 PM »
I have had a good life, not without its trials and tribulations, but there's been nothing horrible or overly dramatic. I've had good opprtunities where i've had the chance to learn about many things - my favorite thing to do! But i have also been willing to try those new things, and use those opportunites. My  biological family and i are pretty stoic, so issues don't get overly heated or out of control very often. i'm the most "radical" person in my family!  ;D

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« Reply #271 on: March 01, 2013, 06:07:01 AM »
I am so comforted by Senior learn. I live in an area of Florida, that is extremely conservative, evangelical, etc. This means I feel so lonely when I listen to others. Especially being a widow and hearing the other widows, who don't do huge areas of life because they are afraid of being alone.. I live my life as best I can. I go and do and travel upon occasion.. I have worked off and on most of my life. However when I had my two sons, my husband was traveling extensively in his job. We both decided that our children deserved someone available for them, so I did not work again until they went to college. I loved my life, miss my husband dreadfully and carry on with my life..
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« Reply #272 on: March 01, 2013, 02:25:15 PM »
For Babi

Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there, I do not sleep
I am a 1,000 winds that blow
I am the diamond glints on snow
I am the sun on ripened grain
I am the gentle autumn rain
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled light
I am the soft star that shines at night
Do not stand at my grave and cry
I am not there; I did not die.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

MaryPage

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« Reply #273 on: March 01, 2013, 04:28:50 PM »
MARY ELIZABETH FRYE

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« Reply #274 on: March 01, 2013, 07:13:15 PM »
Lovely thought.

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« Reply #275 on: March 02, 2013, 05:50:36 AM »
Barb, that is the poem that I have used for many years when a friend dies.. When my husband died, and we did the balloon free message, that is what I told my children when we loosed the balloons. Just as I finished from somewhere in the meadows, a bobwhite quail called and answered me.. It felt like he had answered.
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« Reply #276 on: March 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM »
If you didn't get to see the CSPAN program on Martha Washington last Monday, CSPAN 1 is starting it again right now 7:00EST. If you have only one CSPAN channel it's probably that one.
Jean

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« Reply #277 on: March 03, 2013, 06:22:36 AM »
I see where
Bonnie Franklin died. I loved One Day at a Time.. Her struggles seemed quite real..
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« Reply #278 on: March 03, 2013, 08:24:00 AM »
I never saw that show.  I know it was quite popular.

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« Reply #279 on: March 03, 2013, 11:41:30 AM »
Like Zits in the comics today, being about all adolescent boys, much in One Day at a Time was about adolescent girls.  Since we had four of them (adolescent girls) at the time the show was on, our life was frequently portrayed.  We watched it all the time.
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