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« Reply #2400 on: January 26, 2016, 09:08:41 AM »
I am sure we are all keeping fingers crossed that it will work and provide you with relief and freedom from pain.
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« Reply #2401 on: January 26, 2016, 12:05:21 PM »
I am ever so gratified and delighted to see that Planned Parenthood has been exonerated in every state, were there twelve in all, in which it was prosecuted for various "crimes" in an attempt to bring it down.  They have even proved, according to the national news, that the people who made the dreadful film about aborted baby parts were themselves guilty of the mishandling of those parts, and NOT Planned Parenthood.  The chief prosecutor in Texas said he went into the investigation quite certain he would find the facts marshaled would prove a case against PP, and had found just the opposite to be the Truth!



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« Reply #2402 on: January 27, 2016, 08:22:40 AM »
This morning on the news. The enemies of Planned parenthood lied to achieve drivers license and other things they needed to pretent they were other than what they said they were. They are claiming that all reporters do this and it is legal.. I really hope not.. The only people I know who can lie at will are policeman in an investigation with a suspect.
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« Reply #2403 on: January 27, 2016, 10:43:27 AM »
It is absolutely NOT legal. 
Your passport is the legal property of WE THE PEOPLE of these United States and, in particular, the Department of State.  For a fee, it is issued to you for the purpose of affirming who you are and your rights to the protection of your country.  But the little book belongs to your nation, and it is a HIGH crime to counterfeit one.
Exactly the same is true of your drivers license.  It belongs to the state that issues it, and most particularly to the motor vehicle department, whatever it may be called, in your state.  You pay a fee for the ID and protections it gives.  Don't mess with it or try to alter, copy or counterfeit.
Maybe in trashy novels, but in Real Life reporters DO NOT counterfeit IDs.  They also have IDs from their publications, from an event they are covering, and so on and on.  There are some covert attempts to obtain news exclusives, but these would be carefully planned with all the powers and law abiding antics of the news organization, and not include law breaking.  These so called pro-life folks murder doctors and nurses and break all sorts of other laws in order to try to paint any view but theirs in a bad light.  They only succeed in making me terrified of their fanatic zeal.

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« Reply #2404 on: January 27, 2016, 11:24:07 AM »
It has long struck me that the fanatic, foaming at the mouth haters of Planned Parenthood do not actually have a clue as to the makeup of their perceived enemy.
PP started in my mother's time.  Women.  All women.
The original purpose was to help poor women learn that there were ways to avoid having a child every year, year after year after year.  You see, the highly educated young society women wanted both to fight city hall and make the never spoken of birth control LEGAL, and to help their less fortunate sisters who had no control over their own fortunes and fates.
These young society women, who were raised and educated to spend their lives volunteering for good causes, were quick to take up this new cause.  Haters who wanted to make them look bad accuse them to this day of wanting to curb the numbers of the blacks, the immigrants, the poverty stricken.  But I grew up with these women.  I know the history first hand.  The truth is, they were motivated first and foremost by a sense of empathy and compassion.  There, but for an accident of birth, they might have been themselves: weighed down by the annual birth of a baby and the inability to afford to give those babies the advantages of good nutrition, privacy in their living quarters, cleanliness, and education.  PP rose from these caring feelings, and has remained so to this day.  That is it in a nutshell.  Let all of us avow that we shall pour our energies to the welfare of our less fortunate sisters.

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« Reply #2405 on: January 27, 2016, 06:23:29 PM »
I agree, MaryPage.  You sound like you are feeling some better these days.  ;)

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« Reply #2406 on: January 28, 2016, 09:00:04 AM »
Seems as if these people set up a phony corporation, issued phony id's to infiltrate and film a private conference.Surely that should be something to prosecute them.. I did read where they are in trouble in a variety of states. Why does this not get more publicity.. Oh, I know.. the big mouth with the stupid hair is garnering all publicity of any type. Sigh.
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« Reply #2407 on: January 28, 2016, 09:59:14 AM »
Our public loves loud negative news accusing some person or persons or organization of dreadful sins, and they love to embellish on and spread the smears.  But when the news is that none of it was true, wow, what a downer.  They just don't want to hear any of THAT!

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« Reply #2408 on: January 28, 2016, 03:28:02 PM »
Margaret Sanger and Kathrine McCormick are two of the social activists I will be talking about in my presentations at the library during Women's History Month. Here is a large part of what I will say about them. I write my notes in my own "shorthand", I've tried to find all the words I've done that with and expand them into actual English words for you. If I missed any, I think you can figure out what I was saying........

"In People of the Century, Gloria Steinam states, “she taught us, first, to look at the world as if women mattered.” Born into an Irish working class family, Margaret witnessed her mother’s slow death, worn out after 18 pregnancies & 11 live births. While working as a nurse & midwife in t poorest neighborhoods of NYC in the yrs before WWI, she saw women deprived of their health, sexuality & ability to care for children already born. Contraceptive information was so suppressed by clergy-influenced, physician-accepted laws that it was a criminal offense to send it thru t mail. Yet the educated had access to such info and could buy “French” products, which were really condoms & other barrier methods & “feminine hygiene” products, which were really spermicides. The Comstock law of 1873, called for the “suppression of Trade in & Circulation of, obscene literature & articles of Immoral use.” The act made it a crime to use the USPS to send items of erotica, but also info about contraceptives, even descriptions of a woman’s reproductive system. Many woman did not have an iota of an idea of how they got pregnant, or that there was any way to not get pregnant other than abstinence, which was not always a choice for them. When as a nurse returning to the home of a woman who had suffered the end of her 9th pregnancy, the woman asked the doc that Margaret was working w/ “how do I stop getting pregnant?” the doc answered “tell your husband to sleep on the roof.” When M asked doctors the same question they told her that was info she did not need to know, even though she was a nurse & midwife.
In a series of articles called “what every girl should know”, then in her own newspaper, The Woman Rebel, & finally thru neighborhood clinics that dispensed woman-controlled forms of “birth control” (a phrase she coined), Sanger put info & power into the hands of woman. While in Europe for a year, partly to avoid severe criminal penalties, partly for violating postal obscenity laws, she learned more about reproduction, contraception & the commonality of women’s experience. Condoms and diaphragms, that most Eur’n women were using , were not allowed to be bought or sold in the US. Her case was dismissed after her return to the States.
Sanger cont’d to push legal & social boundaries by initiating sex counseling, & opening the 1st birth control clinic in the US in NYC, which led to her arrest for distributing info on contraception & condoms & diaphragms. S felt that in order for women to have a more equal footing in society & to lead healthier lives, they needed to be able to determine when to bear children. She also wanted to prevent unsafe abortions, which were common at the time because abortions were usually illegal. She believed that while abortion was sometimes justified it should generally be avoided & she considered contraception the only practical way to avoid the use of abortions. She had seen more than one woman who after begging for info from a doctor as to how to prevent pregnancy, ending up dying of a self-induced abortion.
In 1921, S founded the American B C League, which became in 1942, Planned Parenthood Fed’n of Am, and organized the 1st international population conference. In NYC, she organized the 1st birth control clinic staffed by all-female docs, as well as a clinic in Harlem w/ an entirely Af-Amn staff. She had found that Eur’n immigrant woman in particular would not go to a male doc for info, & that Af-Am women, at a time when they may be given incorrect info, or be in danger of sterilization, were more comfortable going to an Af-Am staffed clinic.
In 1929 she formed the Natl Comm on Fed’l Legislation for Birth Control, which served as the focal point of her lobbying efforts to legalize contraception in the US.
Many drug companies or college labs would not do any research on an oral contraceptive because of the power of the Catholic Church & their opposition to all forms of contraception. Sanger worked for years to encourage scientists to develop a hormonal birth control method.
Thruout the 1920s Kathrine McCormick, a 1905 grad of MIT, w/ a degree in biology, worked w/ Sanger on birth control & other women’s issues. McC smuggled diaphragms from Europe to NYC for S’s clinical Research Bureau. In 1937 K’s mother died leaving her an estate of more than $10 mill. Her husband died in 1947, leaving an estate of over $35 mill. In 1953 McC met w/ Gregory Pincus who had been working on developing a hormonal b c method for 2yrs. McC agreed to fund Pincus’ research. The FDA approved the sale of the Pill in 1957 for menstrual disorders & added contraception in 1960. McC had provided almost the entire $2 mill it took to develop & test the oral contraceptive pill. She cont’d to fund b c research thru the 1960s.
Sanger was past 80 yrs old when she saw t 1st marketing of a contraceptive pill, which she helped develop. But legal change was slow. It took until 1965, a yr before her death, for the Sup Crt to strike down a Conn law that prohibited the use of contraception, even by married couples. This right was extended to unmarried couples only in 1972. This constitutionally guaranteed right to privacy would became as important to woman’s equality as the vote.


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« Reply #2409 on: January 28, 2016, 05:17:02 PM »
Wonderful, Jean!

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« Reply #2410 on: February 08, 2016, 07:33:36 PM »
You may not agree with Margaret and Helen's politics.  But Helen (the writer) really nails it on women's issues.

http://margaretandhelen.com/2016/02/08/there-is-a-reason-big-girls-dont-cry-we-havent-the-time/
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #2411 on: February 09, 2016, 12:11:44 AM »
Yes! That was a terrific blog! So many young people have no sense of history of any kind, but especially women's history! We need to keep telling the younger generations what it was like, and how it is in many cases still!

I'm preparing for a four program series on women's history and it can be depressing to recognize that we are still fighting many of the battles that Rachel Carson, Margaret Sanger, Maggie Kuhn, etc were fighting 25, 55, 65 years ago. Yes, we have made progress in many areas, but we've been set back on many progressive issues over the last 45 years.

Jean

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« Reply #2412 on: February 09, 2016, 12:22:35 AM »
I was so disappointed in Gloria Steinam who suggested the young women were voting for Sanders because their boyfriend was voting for Sanders - oh oh oh that is sure not giving much credit to these educated young woman - just look at the number of women who attend collage and graduate with far more than what used to be the degree of value, your MRS. - it is as if she belittled all her own work and we are no further along as individual women than we were 40 years ago in her hay day -

I do think Helen was reasonable however I am one of those who think the injustice that money in government is creating is far more important to tackle than to vote gender - it means the one representing gender in order to be voted into office must keep the big money coming that is keeping all of us in our place - I do not think we need to be sacrificing our role in this government to hold someone up on our shoulder who is tied into the very system that keeps us in our place.
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« Reply #2413 on: February 09, 2016, 09:28:59 AM »
Helen tells it like it is.. Bernie sounds wonderful, but most of what he talks of can only be handled through congress and that is not going to change. As long as the conservatives decide to take down whoever is in charge, we will be mired in this mess. That is why Hilary might be able to at least start to move people in the right direction.. As much as I would love single payer, Americans are going to scream at what sort of taxes you need to pull it off and Big Pharma is throwing money left and right at pols.. We need to change our system and that is not going to happen.
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« Reply #2414 on: February 09, 2016, 09:45:36 AM »
You nailed it, too, Steph!!!
"When someone you love dies, you never quite get over it.  You just learn how to go on without them. But always keep them safely tucked in your heart."

MaryPage

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« Reply #2415 on: February 09, 2016, 09:53:52 AM »
Helen's politics are MY politics, so of course I love her!  Wish we could infuse her in Valentine chocolate and infect the world with her way of thinking!

But I find you just a tad more pessimistic than I, and that surprises me, since at almost 87 I consider myself MS Pessimist.

You see, I think we CAN get a one payer system of health care like our dear neighbors to the north.  And I think we CAN improve in all ways.

We just have to do ONE THING:  Wake the whole voting nation up to the fact that it is THE CONGRESS, and not the White House, they must have their eyes on when they are voting.  They have to be taught, through their newspapers and radio and television, precisely WHAT their incumbents voting records are.  It is not partisan politics to publish voting records in detail:  it is information we all need to take in.  CONGRESS retains the power to change, and we can force that change by beating the drums and sounding the cymbals regarding this fact;  this truth.

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« Reply #2416 on: February 09, 2016, 01:27:55 PM »
Almost half the congress is up for election and NOT re-election unless that is what we decide - would not take much for the shirt to happen - maybe not a revolution type shift but enough that we could get back this country out of the hands of the wealthy top who finance their election bids and as a result virtually run this nation so that is it no longer ever a Republic much less a Democracy.

Once we have a nation that supports itself as the Bernie Sanders entire campaign is supported we will have a chance of bringing back the middle class and our lives as seniors will have more dignity. That is all we need folks is a slight shift - Obama has already proven you cannot get anything done except by executive order and so why vote for someone who wants to follow in his footsteps - do you really think Congress is in love enough with Hillary to wrap their arms around her and cooperate with change - she is already using big money to finance her campaign - does not bode well for bringing back the middle class.

This campaign appears to be either folks in our age range versus those under the age of 35 - because they, with far more education than our generation see fairness and are struggling to pay for that education that we wanted them so desperately to acquire - Hillary is ONLY about making their debt easier to handle rather than getting back to the kind of grants and low interest loans for private collages that allowed students an education with minimal interest loans, and there were subsidies for collage research much less the dream of figuring a way to make higher education a priority as they do in India and south Asian nations. 

Even if Bernie Sanders was a one term president he could make a shift that would allow the average American's needs to be addressed. Hillary would make a perfect representative to the UN and before long with her CEO abilities she could be president of the UN - If we want a CEO as president, Trump is a CEO who knows how to get results however, we prefer someone with a vision that we can all hang our star on and is about pushing the forces that are decimating the middle class rather than a competent person who is behind a certain segment of the population based on gender.
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« Reply #2417 on: February 10, 2016, 12:11:34 AM »
This might be better in Political Process?  But, in view of the discussion here, I thought it was interesting to see how younger women are reacting to the Democratic presidential candidates:

An open letter to older women voting for Hillary, from a younger woman voting for Bernie

I respect Gloria Steinem, Madeline Albright and all the feminist trailblazers. I'm still voting for Bernie Sanders
                                                                        ALLISON GLENNON

Dear Older Women Insisting All Women Vote For Hillary,

Thank you for everything you’ve given us in your fight for women’s rights and civil rights through the ’50s, ’60s, ’70s, ’80s, your whole lives. As your female children, the younger generations of feminists, following in your footsteps, we do not take your efforts lightly. We know how much blood, sweat, and tears went into the long fight to ensure we have the rights we have now. We know many lost their lives fighting for equality. We will never forget. And, we will devote our lives similarly, by your example.

Because of you, we will never let anyone define our limitations based on our sex. Because of you, we will be strong in the face of those who’d seek to judge us by our gender alone and not by our minds and our hearts. Because of you, we promise never to let anyone take away or compromise the freedom we have today… not even you.

Everything you’re telling us now goes against everything you’ve taught us before, everything you seemed to stand for when you were young. Asking women to vote for Hillary based on her gender rather than policy is sexist. Telling women they’ll to go to hell if they don’t vote for Hillary is evil. Telling women that they are only voting for Bernie to impress guys tells us you no longer respect women.

We know the fight is uphill, but understand that this rhetoric makes you part of that uphill battle we are now fighting, part of the uphill battle that you fought, too. We understand the allure of a woman president after everything you’ve been through in your lifetime. But understand that based on the principles you’ve taught us, we know having a female presidency is less important than gaining true gender equality. Understand that we’re not willing to give up the values you’ve instilled in us for a trophy, even at your request.

Our experience following in your footsteps has taught us what real equality means and we will not be distracted by sexist attacks, even from you. With the strength you gave us, we will refuse to be guilted or shamed into voting for Hillary based on gender alone. Because of you, we will vote for policy, for mind and heart, not genitals because we know that to do anything less would undermine everything you’ve fought for, everything your mothers and your mothers’ mothers fought for and won.

Thank you for everything you’ve taught us and know that we won’t let you down. We’ve got your back, even if you don’t have ours.

Love,
A Millennial Woman Feeling the Bern.

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« Reply #2418 on: February 10, 2016, 02:12:32 AM »
Bernie paints Wall Street with a broad brush - certainly there must be some who run decent companies/banks.  Need to look at what is going on outside our country.  So many problems that require a knowledge of foreign policy and Bernie seems very weak in this area.

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« Reply #2419 on: February 10, 2016, 10:03:03 AM »
I wish I were comfortable with Bernie, but I am not. He is very typical of that part of New England.. but and this is a big but... He has not foreign policy experience and is not touching it..  That is why the letter from the younger generation is silly. We have serious international problems that need solving or we are going to have ISIS on our doorstep.. I am not voting for Hilary because she is a woman, but because she is smart and a good person to run the country. Donald Trump is a bad example of Wall Street and people who make their money in real estate. He declares bankrupcy any time he wants and slides out leaving investors to hold the bag.. I wish people would look up his record. Just the New Jersey part should scare most people, but they just listen to his stories.. This is not a good thing.
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« Reply #2420 on: February 10, 2016, 10:17:49 AM »
My concern with both Bernie and Hillary are that they seem to act as though all these problems just arrived - or somehow caught them by surprise - when it seems to me they've both been a part of what's going on for nearly forever.  I have to look into what committees Bernie has been on to see where he is in foreign policy.  But I was offended when Hillary claimed she was an 'outsider' because she was a woman.

Trump is a businessman.  He took advantage of bankruptcy laws protecting businesses and individuals.  That's what he's supposed to do.  If the laws are 'rigged' or 'unjust', they need to be changed.  I know many individuals who have had to go that route as well and I don't necessarily agree with how it's decided what assets they are allowed to keep, but that's the law.  He would have been pretty stupid not to protect his business.

I don't trust Hillary.  And I don't trust her judgement - either in her personal life (what we know of it), in her work in the State Department, or even in her work as a lawyer.  That, to me, is not the representation I want - not as a citizen or a woman. 

But, for me, it's still really early; there's so much to investigate and sort out to make so important a decision.  At least there seems to be some choice this time around.

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« Reply #2421 on: February 10, 2016, 08:12:20 PM »
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #2422 on: February 10, 2016, 11:39:53 PM »
You have to be so careful on the internet, don't you?  I was confused to find this addendum:

Dear Tumblr,

This is NOT Susan B. Anthony. This is Ada Wright, a British suffragette who was beaten by police on “Black Friday” in 1910.

Ms. Anthony was arrested on November 5, 1872 for voting in the presidential election (straight GOP ticket) and fined $100. She never paid. She was also never beaten or photographed being beaten.

Great stories don’t need to be manufactured if they’re already great.

Thank you….and regardless the fight undertaken by women (1920), African Americans  (1865 & 1964), Native Americans (1924), and other underrepresented groups for the right to vote is amazing and should be given recognition.

But please, please, please use Google’s reverse image search.

picturedept:


Election Day, 1872.

arcaneimages:  ?

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« Reply #2423 on: February 11, 2016, 12:25:22 AM »
Thank you for posting re Anthony.  I have resided between Rochester and Buffalo for my whole adult life and yet had never really read her story about voting: it was utterly fascinating.  It is too long to put in here, but this excerpt:


"Anthony's vote went to U. S. Grant and other Republicans, based on that party's promise to give the demands of women a respectful hearing.  Later that day, Anthony would write of her accomplishment to her close friend and fellow suffragist, Elizabeth Cady Stanton:
 
Dear Mrs Stanton
   Well I have been & gone & done it!!--positively voted the Republican ticket--strait this a.m. at 7 Oclock--& swore my vote in at that--was registered on Friday....then on Sunday others some 20 or thirty other women tried to register, but all save two were refused....Amy Post was rejected & she will immediately bring action for that....& Hon Henry R. Selden will be our Counsel--he has read up the law & all of our arguments & is satisfied that we our right & ditto the Old Judge Selden--his elder brother.  So we are in for a fine agitation in Rochester on the question--I hope the morning's telegrams will tell of many women all over the country trying to vote--It is splendid that without any concert of action so many should have moved here so impromptu--
The Democratic paper is out against us strong & that scared the Dem's on the registry board--How I wish you were here to write up the funny things said & done....When the Democrat said my vote should not go in the box--one Republican said to the other--What do you say Marsh?--I say put it in!--So do I said Jones--and "we'll fight it out on this line if it takes all winter"....If only now--all the women suffrage women would work to this end of enforcing the existing constitution--supremacy of national law over state law--what strides we might make this winter--But I'm awful tired--for five days I have been on the constant run--but to splendid purpose--So all right--I hope you voted too.
Affectionately,
Susan B. Anthony

Arrest and Indictment

The votes of Susan Anthony and other Rochester women was a major topic of conversation in the days that followed.  In a November 11 letter to Sarah Huntington, Anthony wrote: "Our papers are discussing pro & con everyday."  Anthony occupied much of her time meeting with lawyers to discuss a planned lawsuit by some of the women whose efforts to register or vote were rejected.

Meanwhile, a Rochester salt manufacturer and Democratic poll watcher named Sylvester Lewis filed a complaint charging Anthony with casting an illegal vote.  Lewis had challenged both Anthony's registration and her subsequent vote.  United States Commissioner William C. Storrs acted upon Lewis's complaint by issuing a warrant for Anthony's arrest on November 14.  The warrant charged Anthony with voting in a federal election "without having a lawful right to vote and in violation of section 19 of an act of Congress" enacted in 1870, commonly called The Enforcement Act.  The Enforcement Act carried a maximum penalty of $500 or three years imprisonment.


The whole of the article is here:  http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/anthony/sbaaccount.html

I was most shocked that it was Republicans who supported suffrage and Democrats who opposed!  Just as in rights of African Americans.  Yet how the message was stolen and reversed.  A real eye-opener to be sure.

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« Reply #2424 on: February 11, 2016, 08:05:39 AM »
Now thats interesting. I never knew that the republicans were for and dems against, but I should have. My Mother was a national committewoman for the Republicans back in the Eisenhauer days. He was a wonderful man and not at all a good politicians, but he got things done the right way and scolded us when the people were busy being warlike, which he hated.. A truly great president, but if he were alive today, he would  be horrified at what the republicans on the tea party side have been up to.
There does not seem to be a single republican running for President who is not totally into trying to take my rights away.. Maybe this Kasich person, who I must look up.
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« Reply #2425 on: February 11, 2016, 08:15:07 AM »
That's so interesting, Steph.  Actually, "I Like Ike" was my first remembered  exposure to a presidential race. 

I know Republicans are trying to limit abortions (80% of Americans agree); that is, to not have them 'on demand', but as Rubio has said, for 'self-defense' reasons (reasons recognized by the church as well), which most liberals and conservatives would agree on.  Some people have tried to limit them to the first 20 weeks, since science tells us that at that point the unborn have a fully developed nervous system (they have responded to their mother's voice at 24 weeks, according to the Mayo Clinic) and feel pain.

Are there other 'rights' under attack?  I believe those candidates who have talked about no abortions - for any reason (as Walker did), have already dropped out?

The abortion issue is not yet a settled one, and will continue to be discussed, I'm sure.  Whether minors need parental permission, whether there should be some moderate time period between wanting and getting an abortion so it's not done impulsively and rued later, whether the 14th amendment (used in the suffrage movement) should cover the unborn as well (as I'm sure no one could have foreseen this debate?),etc. 

Also, those who do not know about the growth and development of the unborn (as younger women do) can use Obstetric books in the library or on-line medical sites to view the stages.  An informed public is imperative in doing the right and decent thing for all concerned.  I've counseled too many women in agony years after an abortion to keep ignorant or silent on the matter.

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« Reply #2426 on: February 11, 2016, 01:10:34 PM »
Oh well there are many women in the world everlastingly grateful for having had an abortion.

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« Reply #2427 on: February 12, 2016, 01:34:12 PM »
The story of the Republicans supporting suffrage at the beginning of the 20th century was not stolen and reversed. It was the Progressive era and Republicans led by Teddy Rossevelt were in favor of many kinds of reform. Unfortunately, we don't have good history education, so people don't know the facts.

The parties philosophies have changed, not the story. The "other" Roosevelt - Franklin - began to build a liberal Democratic party. It continued thru Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Carter, all supported women and minority civil rights. Democrats at their 1972 convention ruled that half of the delegates at their convention were to be women and minorities should be on par with their numbers in the population. Republicans on the other hand, after Ford, starting with Reagan, became more and more conservative and less and less supportive of social and civil rights and the Republican Party has moved further and further toward the right as we move into the 21st century.

Therefore, people, not knowing our history, THINK the present constructs have always been true. The story has not been manipulated, we just need to know the facts.

Also, women, throughout history, have always used abortion, sometimes, unfortunately self-induced, which often lead to their deaths, and at the beginning of the U.S. history it was not illegal. One of the reasons Margaret Sanger pushed so hard for effective birth control was to minimize the incidence of abortions. It seems, to me, a kind of insanity for those who dislike the idea of abortion to also fight against the ability for women to get effective birth control, ala Planned Parenthood, or sex education in schools, which has shown to minimize unwanted pregnancies.

Jean

Steph

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« Reply #2428 on: February 12, 2016, 02:22:53 PM »
The 80% number is not even remotely true.. I am so glad that people can legally abort.. Too many lives were ruined  ack in the bad old days, so yes, I think the issue is settled as if Marriage to who you choose.. and Rubio is well known in the state for being anti any kind of abortion including rape and incest.
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Dana

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« Reply #2429 on: February 12, 2016, 04:07:17 PM »
well I just have no patience with anyone who thinks they can tell a woman what to do with her body.  She has to grow the fetus, she has to bring it up, so its up to her if she chooses to or not.  Don't give me murder, lots of beginnings don't come to fruition. Abortion can be done with pills so early now that its really no one's business but the woman's.

MaryPage

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« Reply #2430 on: February 12, 2016, 08:22:41 PM »
Oh, I so totally agree!

I was a Republican back when Ike ran.  I worked my heart out for him, leading my small children and some others in the neighborhood up and down our community sidewalks in "Tykes on Their Trikes for IKE."  There were also little red wagons.  I was the Republican Precinct Chairman.

I am a Hillary supporter, but would like to point out that Senator Sanders proposes capping federal income taxes at 52%.  President Eisenhower capped them at 90%.

I felt totally betrayed by my party, the GOP, in 1980 when the fundamentalists first got their claws into the guts of the party and put that anti abortion plank in the platform.  I have not voted for a Republican since, and finally gave up hoping and changed my registration in 2004.

The last I heard, 93% of women favor their right to choose.

The thing is, the Republicans were always the party of the right to personal privacy and the wrongness of GOVERNMENT to intrude in our personal lives.

Then it is THEY who come along and champion this most ghastly intrusion!  Imagine telling a couple that they MUST have yet another child, even if dire circumstances in their family tell them they absolutely cannot!  Imagine telling parents that their poor little 13 year old daughter who is a victim of rape or incest must give birth! 

No woman in this world WANTS to undergo an abortion.  But there are circumstances in which it becomes a necessity.  I have been very lucky in never having to have one.  But IF I DID, no government office would get away with telling me I could not have one!  No way!  Well, I am almost 87 now, and have had a hysterectomy, so it is a moot point.  But I STILL become enraged over the abortion problem as I do over no other subject.

Women have a legal right to choose in this great nation.  It is a Minority of our fellow citizens who work 24/7 to deny us that legal right, even to the point of shooting to death doctors, nurses, and volunteers at clinics.  These people identify so totally with the God they have created, rather than the God who created them, that they Justify murder of husbands, fathers, wives, mothers and daughters in an attempt to enforce THEIR religious beliefs on the rest of us!  UNBELIEVABLE

MaryPage

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« Reply #2431 on: February 12, 2016, 08:43:15 PM »
As for Donald Trump for president: SERIOUSLY?  He is trash.  TRASH!  Do you want a President who makes us all look like ignorant know-nothings when he gives speeches full of really stupid statements and vulgar talk?  I grant he might possess an IQ.  Yes, and his daddy may have bribed his way through Wharton and so forth, too.  It is done all the time.  With cash money in envelopes, with paying others to take exams, with endowments, with giving new buildings.  But Trump has NO CLASS.  Not a speck of it.  He is rude, crude, and unrefined.  He will never be a gentleman, let alone a statesman.

Trump comes from the dregs of our civilization.  He is a bully, a braggart, a foul mouthed liar, and a dangerous loose cannon.  He may have all the money in the world, but you cannot buy refinement.


mabel1015j

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« Reply #2432 on: February 13, 2016, 12:49:46 PM »
I hate the title of this blog, but it is a good blog. I wish we could get men and women too stop using the "B" word. It is obviously sexist, nobody uses it about men, except as a "son-of-a......". I consider it as offensive as the "n" word. Anyway, this is a good column about the sexism related to Hillary and her campaign.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h3hrk4t

By the way - the Savannah Book Festival is being shown on Booktv.

Jean


MaryPage

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« Reply #2433 on: February 13, 2016, 03:05:35 PM »
A very good article.  And yes, I too am of the generation that is put off by the constant usage of vulgar language.  Many, many words we never would have dreamed of using in public or in mixed company are now bandied about on a daily basis and even used in advertising.

It totally blows my mind how successful the campaign to make the American public afraid of Hillary Clinton has been.  So many people, including, and this breaks my heart, a myriad brainwashed women, when asked about her will say they just don't trust her, she lies, and all sorts of even worse mindsets up to and including believing she murdered Vince Foster.  The late Jerry Falwell had his Liberty church send out 250,000 videos that declared her and President Clinton guilty of murder.

Actually, there is nothing but the ravings and rantings of  a bunch of broadcasters, politicians of the opposing party, and preachers that says she is untrustworthy.  There is NOTHING to back that accusation up; not an iota.  There is no proof she has ever lied.  Government investigators have said over and over she had no hand in Foster's suicide.

Hillary was an outstanding student from Elementary School through college and law school.  The guys hated her for doing better than they.  The ones who are firmly of the belief that the first in every class should be a male, that is.

Long before her husband ran for President, the American Bar Association named Hillary one of our nation's ONE HUNDRED BEST LAWYERS.

She was an outstanding First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State.  She has never been found guilty of ANY of the things the Right Wing accuses her of in a constant barrage of lies about her.  Eventually, the History books will point all of this out, and she will be vindicated.  In the meantime, we will continue to hear " well, I just don't trust her." Ai Yi Yi.  The power of suggestion!  I shudder.

Steph

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« Reply #2434 on: February 13, 2016, 03:05:43 PM »
This is book sale week so I am just flat out exhausted, but oh my, the people clutching all sorts of books and anxiously asking.."This book is so large and beautiful, it must be more than 1.00". I do so love their faces, a teeny little black girl with a white Mom and she is very solemnly asking me if I know of any adult books for proud black woman, She wants to do a paper on it, so we looked and looked to find the exact right book. Book sales are the most fun...
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #2435 on: February 14, 2016, 10:18:38 AM »
That sounds delightful Steph. How nice that she was looking for books about women who she could identify with.

Jean

Steph

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« Reply #2436 on: February 15, 2016, 08:44:36 AM »
She was adorable indeed and her Mom was really helping her. She found two books, I still think that one was a tad old for her, but she fell in love with it.
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mogamom

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« Reply #2437 on: February 16, 2016, 02:53:45 PM »
So, who should I believe?  The families of the victims of Benghazi or Hillary Clinton?  And why?

Steph

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« Reply #2438 on: February 17, 2016, 09:03:25 AM »
Probably neither entirely.. They both have an ax to grind..
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mogamom

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« Reply #2439 on: February 17, 2016, 11:34:54 AM »
Good point.  Like my grandmother always used to say:  "Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see".


Though I did see the emails to officials in Egypt and Chelsea explaining that the embassy was under a terrorist attack minutes after it began...

and saw videos of Biden and Hilary with the victims' families ...
                      and of interviews of journalists with the families ...

and - did you see the last Democratic debate?  Where Hilary accused Sanders of criticizing Obama in the forward of a book, I believe?

   I was watching it on CNN and the man who wrote the book was there - with a copy of the book; Sanders had written a blurb on the jacket (not the forward); it was read on air - it wasn't anything like Hilary portrayed it in the debate ...

still ...