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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2480 on: March 22, 2016, 09:37:29 AM »
Tyranny, dictatorships and oppression of peoples is all wrong, not to mention that Communism has proved to be a failed system of running a state.  It is also wrong to punish the people of any given state for the crimes of the leaders guilty of oppressing them.  As long as Cuba has been cut off from the world, it has been so much easier for the dictators to control that society.  With tourists and trade, any given society will have much more opportunity to set itself on the path to freedom and individual rights.  We know that Cubans yearn for more opportunities to live the good life, and common sense tells us that in time they will be able to achieve that.  We are only helping the dictators when we cut off any sort of normal relationship with Cuba.  The Cubans who fled to asylum in the United States are fat and happy in Miami, and of course they want to punish the Castros and their coterie;  but hey, what about the suffering of those who could not, for one reason or another, get away from Cuba?

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« Reply #2481 on: March 22, 2016, 01:10:05 PM »
I had not heard that the Castro brothers had a successor chosen - so this may be the end of it and with our getting involved now we may be in a better position to have influence for what comes next. Obama always did have the long view...
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« Reply #2482 on: March 22, 2016, 01:45:56 PM »
Steph - and all. One of the benefits of SL is having people from many places around the country and the world to give us the different perspectives of events. My perception is that not all Cubans hold the same opinion -as with all groups - but it is good to hear a Floridian perspective?

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« Reply #2483 on: March 23, 2016, 08:52:47 AM »
Oh I do agree Jean, it is just that the cubans in Miami seem to get all of the publicity and there are a lot of cubans who feel quite differently about it.. I know people whose parents fled Cuba before Castro because the previous dictator was closely associated with the Mafia.. I know others who fled Castro..Its just I get so tired of Miami reacting as if they were the only important ones..
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« Reply #2484 on: March 27, 2016, 09:24:13 AM »
Hope some of y'all have a sunny day on tap for hunting for Easter eggs peeking out as brightly colored bits scattered in the green grasses and under the budding bushes.  Ours is a drab, misty, grey, grey one.  I find myself wanting to exclaim Bah Humbug and then return to my cosy bedding.
However, Debi's gaily decorated home beckons, so breakfast, shower and dress up I must.  There will be twelve (last I heard) for dinner, and everyone will have an Easter basket filled by someone or other.  Debi does most of them, but I did several myself, and I happen to know that she herself will have two, one that I did and one from her very pregnant daughter Kathryn.
While I yearn to see and hug everyone, I know that I will welcome reaching home again and settling down in my favorite chair for a respite from all the to do and hurrah and catching my favorite Sunday night shows.
I shudder at the dreadful indignities the wives of prominent politicians are having to suffer in the public eye, even in these "modern" times.  It just serves to remind us that we are not all that far removed from the lives of women in the Middle East and other parts of this globe we inhabit.  Still, somewhere in the hearts, indeed the very fiber, of men lurks the certainty that we become their personal property when they choose to wed us, and our looks and accomplishments are but a reflection of their own "taste in women."  It is sad to my whole persona that I will not live to see true and complete liberation. 
But today's young women give me hope!  Did you see, did you SEE, that young women are protesting, not just in every state here except the ones that have seen the light, but in Australia and other nations, against sanitary supplies being subject to sales taxes?  In some places it is as high as 10%, and yet sunscreen and condoms are tax free!  And of course, Viagra is not taxed.  Yet the men in some parliamentary debates and legislative conclaves laughed out loud at the notion of making women's tampons tax free!  What a ridiculous thought!  In our own nation, 40 states still add sales tax to these articles of personal hygiene, listing them as "luxury" items.
This is what has gone on since we stopped making and washing and rewashing our own diaper like contraptions.  This is the result of men running things.  Do you remember how fast, how very, very quickly, Viagra and like products became covered by health insurance policies?  Sigh.  We really DO need women running things in this world.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2485 on: March 27, 2016, 12:24:56 PM »
MaryPage, I agree about the hygiene products - but in TN, any product purchased is subject to sales tax - hygiene products, OTC medications, even toilet paper - no discrimination here.  LOL
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« Reply #2486 on: March 28, 2016, 08:57:53 AM »
I guess I never bought condoms, so I never realized they were not taxed.. I do remember that Viagra got approved very rapidly by Health insurance places. Shows you that men rule in the insurance world.
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« Reply #2487 on: March 28, 2016, 10:31:32 AM »
In speaking of the disparity of perceptions, I came across this article.  Taking its source into consideration, it is well-documented and does lead to a real discussion of the health care issues developing over 'female circumcision' on the rise here; pretty disturbing:


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/27/stephen-miller-exposes-faux-feminism-cnn-panel-facts-muslim-migration-open-borders/


Sigh...I expect soon some well-meaning someone will come up with the idea that the practice should be legitimized with the understanding that these girls will at least have access to medical care - and anesthesia.  Though it's likely to also encourage the practice.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2488 on: March 28, 2016, 12:06:43 PM »
I was unable to open that.  VIPRE came up and said not to, as it has a "bad file" in it.

Here are a couple of videos that show exactly what occurs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSNEgLgvzUY


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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2489 on: March 29, 2016, 08:48:36 AM »
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2490 on: March 29, 2016, 03:29:00 PM »
Maryland, where I live now, is one of the most sensible states in our beloved Union, albeit far from perfection IMHO.  Our legislature is currently fighting like mad over Equal Pay For Equal Work.  Blows my mind, it does.  Actually, it was voted in as law a week and a half ago, but the more hot headed are still battling it out.  It passed our house 93 to 47, and yes, some Republicans voted YES!  Hurrah!  But here is the thing:  every single one of the 47 against is a Republican!  And their chief argument, which they repeat over and over and yet over again, is that it will have a bad impact on small business.  My Aunt Fanny!
If a small business has a bookkeeper, and that bookkeeper is a woman, she cannot claim, as the only bookkeeper, which is usually the case in a "small" business, that she is not being paid as much as the male bookkeeper, now can she!  I mean, there IS no other bookkeeper.  And while the Republicans are crying crocodile tears for small business owners, many many of whom actually ARE women, those in favor of Equal Pay are hollering:  "How about the women?  And how about their families?  What about the impact on THEIR quality of life?"

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Re: WOMEN IN SAUDI ARABIA
« Reply #2491 on: March 30, 2016, 08:58:23 AM »
Last night on FRONTLINE on PBS they did a show on Saudi Arabia that everyone would benefit from seeing.  It is a one hour show without commercials, as always.  You might want to look for it in repeats or catch it in On Demand.  It has been, for the most part, secretly filmed by a bunch of brave young men.  It really, truly paints a picture of the various push and pull factors within that nation, and I found it quite scary.  It is also not for the faint of heart.

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« Reply #2492 on: March 30, 2016, 01:19:42 PM »
yes, The various Chamber of Commerce people drag out the bad for small business for the stupidest reasons.. They really mean, it is bad for the status quo.
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2493 on: March 30, 2016, 02:31:39 PM »
Bottom line, women are STILL being classified as lesser human beings than men.  That, and only that, is what it comes down to.

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Re: WHY WOMEN COULDN'T GO TO HARVARD, ETC.
« Reply #2494 on: March 30, 2016, 11:19:31 PM »
This evening I had occasion to check on the year the Ivy League schools began to admit women, for an entirely different project, and was astonished at two things.  One was that their doing so was spread over a great number of years, but the other and most important and mind blowing was the excuses they gave when women applied over and over and yet over again.  Here are some.  And yes, I am serious.  I am NOT making this up.  You can Google it for yourselves:

Admitting women would cause them to lower their standards considerably.
The close approximation of all those young men and women would lead to trouble.
There would be legal difficulties due to the young women claiming breach of promise.

Breach of promise.  "He swore his undying love and promised me a wedding ring.  Then, after I gave in to him, he dropped me."  That was the closest they got to sexual harassment in those days.  One never said sex in public!

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« Reply #2495 on: March 31, 2016, 08:36:27 AM »
I know it was serious MaryPage, but oh my that was a funny funny statement. Did people really believe that??
Well the Donald put both feet in and then drew back.. He really does not like women and all of those women in his audiences need to understand that. He likes what he considers sexy women, mostly foreign, so they always agree with him.. He said flat out.. twice to Chris that he thought women who ha abortions need to be put in jail.. Sigh.. and of course the minute everyone jumped on him, he retracted.. Ah publicity, they name is Donald Trump
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2496 on: March 31, 2016, 09:53:29 AM »
Just a thought about the 'equal pay for equal work' argument earlier:

I wondered if anyone here was aware that there is a large group of women who are NOT in favor of this.  They know they get other benefits - ones they do not want to give up - for the extra pay.  I guess they could argue that, just because they are doing the same job as a man does not mean they are working the same?

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« Reply #2497 on: March 31, 2016, 10:02:12 AM »
Oh...and I am very sorry you couldn't read the article I posted earlier.  Here are the cites used in the article - you should have no problem opening them?  Thisis such a problem here - right here in the US - and apparently in the UK:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/us/genital-cutting-cases-seen-more-as-immigration-rises.html?_r=0

And:
"As Newsweek reported in February of 2015, immigration is “the sole factor for the rise in numbers”:
More than half a million women and girls in the U.S. are at risk of undergoing FGM in the U.S. or abroad, or have already undergone the procedure, including 166,173 under the age of 18, according to the Population Reference Bureau (PRB). Immigration to the U.S. from African and Middle Eastern countries—where the practice of FGM is a deeply entrenched cultural tradition—is the sole factor for the rise in numbers, says Mark Mather, a demographer at PRB who led the data analysis. There has not been an increase in the practice happening in the U.S. itself, he says…
African immigration to the U.S. has doubled every decade since 1970, with more than 1.8 million African-born people now living in the U.S., according to Census data. Immigrants from Ghana, Nigeria, Ethiopia and Egypt, all countries that perform FGM(also known as female circumcision), accounted for 41 percent of total African immigrants. According to the latest numbers, nearly one in five girls at risk for FGM in the U.S. are from Egypt, which tops Somalia as the most at-risk country… Immigration to Western countries where FGM is not traditionally practiced means health care providers have had to adapt to the harmful medical consequences of FGM."                   the full article here:

http://www.newsweek.com/fgm-rates-have-doubled-us-2004-304773

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/05/2012528102139893735.html

Here a girl describes what she went though.  Horrific!  And it is happening here and now - to American citizens.

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« Reply #2498 on: March 31, 2016, 10:30:47 AM »
All Trump did was be so outrageous he got all that FREE media coverage - as we know it does not matter if the coverage is positive or negative it is all about getting the coverage - he is down in the polls for this next state primary and he needed to push himself into the public again - if you notice today he retracts what he said  and so another round of Free press plus the silly folks who pass this stuff on in social media - all it is doing is spreading his name and unless you are for him it is falling right on his smarts of how to 'use' and 'take' -

Reminds me of that book 'The Cave' by Robert Penn Warren that was made into a movie with Kirk Douglas playing the journalist who keeps the guy trapped in a mine so he can milk the publicity - the movie had a different name 'Ace in the Hole' - all he had to do was write about something that got the interest of people - like years ago we would all run after the bell clanging firetrucks or crowds would encircle an accident and kids would arrive on bikes, scooters or roller skates and the adults would come running. 

He knows it is human nature to turn on the Telly when the news has something outrageous to report - so he just gets more and more outrageous.
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Re: MOLLY MELCHING
« Reply #2499 on: March 31, 2016, 12:18:33 PM »
I have read an awful lot of books and articles, too many actually, about FGM, but my favorite so far is the one about the American woman, Molly Melching, who went over to Africa and did something about it.  Quite a lot, in fact.  I think the big lesson everyone involved in trying to stop this ghastly tradition can take away from her experience is the simple matter of what works and what does not.  Boils down to practicing a lot of patience and not doing a whole lot of proclaiming.  Her book is However Long The Night.

Yes, Steph, they actually believed those things.  And many men STILL DO!  Women are just frail, fairly stupid baby making machines.  I even saw a letter a woman applying to grad school at one of the all male ivy leagues got from the university she applied to.  They turned her down BECAUSE SHE WAS MARRIED, stating that she would never use the degree and the place should go to a man, because he would!

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2500 on: March 31, 2016, 12:44:54 PM »
A new Tesla is coming next year and for just $35,000. My dgt keeps pushing me to think about a Tesla, she says I'm the perfect candidate. A charge lasts for about 40 miles and most of my daily treks are 20 mi or under. Now that they are bringing the price down it might be an option. I'd love not using gasoline, but I need to do some studying about the trade off with electricity. Afterall, electricity sometimes is generated by fuel also. Do any of you have any knowledge or resources about that?

Genital mutilation is a terrible thing and needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis in the US.  "At risk" is a nebulous term. I don't know what that means. The issue is not solved by inhibiting immigration. It would be the same to say white male cops have on occasion killed black men, so we should fire all white male cops. It's irrational.

We could write a thousand page book just listing all the stupid things "establishment men" have said to try to keep their traditional male - powered world.

Jean

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« Reply #2501 on: March 31, 2016, 01:25:06 PM »
They do think and speak the most amazing "facts" about women, but the one that took the cake for me was that man, wasn't he a doctor, at that, who was running for, I think a Senate seat, and I think out in the MidWest, who said women couldn't get pregnant from rape, and therefore if they DID get pregnant, it wasn't rape!  Scheesch!

I remember just after World War II, when the troops were coming back home, there was a loud clamor for all women to quit their jobs and let a returning MALE vet take their place.  This was proferred as both a patriotic necessity and, of course, as the guys needing the job to support their families.  Not a word was said about the women supporting THEIRS!  And many of the women were widows of men killed fighting that war.  I tell you what, in this society of males and females, it is ALL ABOUT THE MALES.  All.

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« Reply #2502 on: March 31, 2016, 07:11:08 PM »
In my last session of women's history i presented at the library it was sub-titled "women scientists" and the last half was about women "computers". That's what they were called, just as the women who were hired to demonstrate the new-fangled thing called the typewriter were called "typewriters".

You may have been seeing stories about Ada Byron Lovelace over the last decade. She's been rediscovered from the 1850s. She was the first computer programmer. She never actually programmed a computer, but wrote a critique on Babbage's "difference engine" which he invented to do long calculations. She had the vision that with the right algorythmns it could be used for all kinds of things including composing music. She said anything that could be configured into numbers (alphabet, music, etc) could be "computerized" not just to be calculated, making software as important as the hardware. Even Walter Isaacson in his new book "The Innovators" calls her the first computer programmer.

During WWII, the Army had many new ballistic weapons and needed to provide a the logistics of trajectory for each one. It took about 30 hrs for all the trajectories of each cannon to be determined on calculators and there were thousands, so they put out a call for all mathematicians. Many men were already on projects so they recruited women. It was still too slow, so in 1945 2 men at the Univ of Pa were tasked to build a computer that would do the job. When they had it build, it was called ENIAC and was 80 ft long and 8 ft tall and was not programmed.

https://www.google.com/search?q=eniac+pictures&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=RxJ-GhtPTG5vKM%3A

6 women volunteered to program it. They started from scratch - no one knew how to program it. They had no books, no training, no direction, just the schematics and the machine. THEY DID IT and when they finished it took a couple seconds instead of 30 hrs to make a table of trajectory for a weapon.

When the govt started telling women to go home to make room for men, no men knew how to program the ENIAC. The Army begged this six women to stay on the job. They were the first professional "comouters", the first computer technicians, the first instructors of what to do with the ENIAC and modern computing and the inventors of the tools that paved the way for modern software.

2 of them teamed up with Grace Hopper after the war and developed the commercial computer UNIVAC. Grace Hopper developed the language COBOL which used words, not numbers in programming, leading straight to you being able to say "Seri, what is..........."

When the Army had the p r extravaganza introducing ENIAC, the programmers- all women, were not introduced!!! They had their pictures taken with ENIAC as you can see in the link, but people assumed they were models, making ENIAC look good, the way they placed models in appliance ads and people actually calked them "refrigerator ladies." They were not invited to the dinner that all the guys in the dept went to that night to celebrate!!! AND they were not invited to the 50th anniversary of ENIAC at the U of Pa in 1995.

Another "men afraid of women's success" story.

Kathy Kleiman, a computer student at Harvard heard this story and went looking for their story and made a documentary about them.

http://eniacprogrammers.org

So in the future when you think of computer programmers, i hope you think of women FIRST and then men.

Also in that presentation I talked about Sally Ride who got asked questions like "will being in space effect your reproductive organs?" And "do you cry when things go wrong at work?" And "how do you feel about being with all these men?" (I think there were all of 5 men) And of course Phyllis Schafly was concerned about separate bathroom facilities! 😜

So, yes, we can fill 1000 pages with stupid ideas about women!

Excuse any mistyped words, this was a long one.

Jean

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Re: SAME OLD SAD TRUTHS
« Reply #2503 on: March 31, 2016, 07:51:18 PM »
Jean, I assume you meant the 1950s.

And personally, I think we could fill 10,000 pages.  100,000!

But that underlines the insults women have had re the workplace FOREVER!  I am convinced it was WOMEN who invented agriculture.  But the men have taken the praise.

It was on the news on both ABC and NBC tonight that the Women's Soccer Team for the U.S. is bringing in MORE money and being paid one fourth as much!  Oh, but then, the women don't have bills to pay, do they!

Your story about the women programmers reminds me of the WASPS.  The WASPS even had to shell out of their own pockets to bury their dead!  Obama finally gave them medals, but there were not many of them left from WWII.

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« Reply #2504 on: March 31, 2016, 08:50:21 PM »
Jean, you mentioned Ada Lovelace.  I just read about her in the book I'm reading - "Rain, a Natural and Cultural History", by Cynthia Barnett.  The section of the book is talking about the problems with rain and the early cars.  Initially, around the turn of the 20th century, if it was raining, people had to stop the car, get out, and wipe off the "wind screen" - no windshield wipers as we know them today. Society belle, Mary Anderson, Birmingham, AL, decided to do something about that. In 1903, she applied for patent for " my invention relates to an improvement in window-cleaning devices in which a radially swinging arm is actuated by a handle from inside a car vestibule...A simple mechanism is provided for removing snow, rain and sleet from the glass in front of the motorman."  I.e., windshield wipers.  In 1917, another woman - owner of her own business - Charlotte Bridgwood of NY was awarded a patent for the first automatic windshield wiper.  And Barnett also mentions Rosaline Franklin, biophysicist, first to photograph DNA double helix.

These women are there - glad that you're helping to make us aware of them, too.
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Re: I'M GLAD, TOO!
« Reply #2505 on: March 31, 2016, 09:49:18 PM »
THREE CHEERS FOR JEAN!

MAKE THAT FOUR FOR GOOD MEASURE.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2506 on: April 01, 2016, 08:31:12 AM »
Actually MaryPage, when you think of American Indians, the women were the farmers, men the hunters and I suspect tht carried back a long long way into history.
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Re: NOT AN APRIL FOOL'S JOKE!
« Reply #2507 on: April 01, 2016, 09:57:00 AM »
Well exactly, Steph!.  It goes back further.  Back before Mesopotamia.  Women were the food gatherers who stayed close to the children, and men the hunters who went off for days at a time.  Sooner or later it MUST have been the women who figured out the seasons and the seeds and that they could plant their own stuff and stay in one place called home.

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« Reply #2508 on: April 01, 2016, 03:12:04 PM »
there is a lot written these days and even a display at the museum at UT that women hunted in a different way - from bones found at archaeological sites there are more rabbit bones found than any from larger animals and the conclusion is that rabbits were caught in nets set by the woman - even today in the Northwest there is among the Indian culture uses for rabbits to not only eat but their fur was used for all sorts of traditional clothing including hats and gloves for babies and young children. Older women catch rabbits as their way of being useful past the time they can assist with the drying of fish.
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2509 on: April 02, 2016, 08:18:42 AM »
I remember when touring in Colorado and Utah in our RV going to some sites with a guide and them showing us the small holes high up, which was where the tribes put their seeds sealed in a seed pot( I have several pots) and then set off during late winter early spring to somehow survive and not eat the seeds. Always struck me as practical, but also sad.
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« Reply #2510 on: April 02, 2016, 07:38:39 PM »
For a second I thought I was in a time machine and didn't realize it was no longer 1951

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/science/texas-goper-opposes-bill-promoting-female-scientists-because-god-didnt-make-us-equal-video/
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2511 on: April 03, 2016, 10:14:56 AM »
Hmm, The Sunday political news shows are all dancing on the heads of pins.. Very funny in some cases.
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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2512 on: April 03, 2016, 12:55:33 PM »
Marypage - You wrote "I assume you meant 1950s". I assume 🤗 You're talking about my comment on Ada Lovelace, no, she lived in the 1800s, was the dgt of Lord Byron and yes, is now considered to be the first computer programmer based on her comments on what algorithms could be used for. Her Notes were lost until being talked about in a book published in the 1950s and has since gotten much publicity.

Thanks for all the interesting tidbits on women in history.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2513 on: April 03, 2016, 02:51:15 PM »
No, I don't, Jean.  Did you recently do a scan and clean out your cookies?  It sounds as if you're computer isn't retaining them.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2514 on: April 03, 2016, 10:25:40 PM »
Thanks Jane, I'll check on that.

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2515 on: April 04, 2016, 10:35:00 AM »
Ah, the joys of cookies.. Sometimes wonderful and other time a pain ...
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« Reply #2516 on: April 08, 2016, 09:06:11 AM »
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Re: WOW!
« Reply #2517 on: April 08, 2016, 11:01:11 AM »
Awesome!

You see, we do not cause standards to be lowered at all!  Quite the contrary!

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Re: Women's Issues
« Reply #2518 on: April 08, 2016, 11:14:34 AM »
TY Barb, she's added to my women's history list.

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Re: HOPE JAHREN
« Reply #2519 on: April 08, 2016, 12:55:52 PM »
And a fantastic addition she IS!  Woo hoo!  Good on you, Barbara!

Maybe you can work it the other way around to pick up a few more, Jean.  Check out the Noble Prize list for Women and then find out stuff about them by way of Google.

I just gave my scientist (Biology, Save The Bay, Oysters) granddaughter, Melissa, a book by a woman named Hope Jahren, whom I believe I remember also won a Nobel.  She is still alive, and the book is LAB GIRL.