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« Reply #600 on: June 27, 2013, 08:26:59 AM »
Women's Issues
If Art imitates Life, what does Literature show about the place of women in our society? From the Red Tent to the new movie Anna Karenina,  to Malala Yousafzai in the news, has the state of women changed? What IS the state of women today, in your opinion?

Let's talk about how women are portrayed in the press, and in literature, and how accurate it is.   How does advertising reflect, if it does, how women are portrayed?  (Remember heels and pearls to sell refrigerators?)

How does it seem to you that women are portrayed today?

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I find the Texas legislater interesting. Never heard of her before. Possibly an up and comer..
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« Reply #601 on: June 27, 2013, 08:48:40 AM »
The news I heard is that some of the group objected when she had to have her back brace adjusted...said she hadn't been talking continually, etc., but that didn't hold.  The news report said she's a single mom of 2...and a graduate of Harvard Law School.  Maybe she will be the next Barbara Jordan.   What a wonderful legislator and speaker Ms Jordan was.   I don't think the "good ol' boys" knew what hit them when she spoke!

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« Reply #602 on: June 27, 2013, 08:55:23 AM »
I am thrilled to bits with our having overcome racial prejudice and having a black president.
I am ever so pleased this country has come to a majority acceptance of Gays and Lesbians and so forth.
But my stomach churns out bitter acid over the so successful put down of women and the control over women's choices for their own Lives and Bodies by men.
Why are we always last?
Why are the women of this nation ALLOWING the men to do this?  Their sudden awareness in the balcony of the Texas State House night before last that they could make an angry noise as a group and stop the law against their choices from being passed was certainly a teachable moment.  Perhaps, oh but I can HOPE, a moment that will turn the tide.  But the bottom line is, the women of this country MUST recognize the incessant attack and pick themselves up and turn upon it and stop it.

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« Reply #603 on: June 28, 2013, 08:40:56 AM »
Yes it was interesting that the people in the balcony suddeny realized the power of dissent.. Now to keepthat up whenever the legislatures get stupid.
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« Reply #604 on: June 28, 2013, 09:38:15 AM »
I think there will be a HUGE turnout for the next session;  the special session.

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« Reply #605 on: June 28, 2013, 12:55:16 PM »
They have already fixed it so there will not be a repeat and everyone knows the law will pass during this next special session including Davis.
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« Reply #606 on: June 28, 2013, 12:55:40 PM »
Another brave woman returns to the news......a 40's something young woman brought this article to my attention saying "i never heard of this woman".

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/28/politics/civil-rights-viola-liuzzo

I remember the controversy at the time. Some people who have to judge others made a huge pitch that Viola Liuzzo should have been home with her 5 children, somethingthat has been  said to every activist women. But it never seems to be a statement said to men!?!

 I've not been a conspiratist most of my life, but this is a story every person in the country should hear because of this sentence from the article "Racism, sexism and the FBI combined to provoke a backlash against her."  REALITY CHECK. 

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« Reply #607 on: June 28, 2013, 03:53:53 PM »
I remember the incident, though not her name. I was living in Israel at the time, and even there I heard all kinds of negative things about her.

I remember, she was billed as the first person to die for Civil Rights. An Israeli at the kibbutz where I taught said that to me, and I remember saying "no, she's the first WHITE person to die for Civil Rights."

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« Reply #608 on: June 29, 2013, 08:52:12 AM »
Now I remember, that was a while ago for sure.
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« Reply #609 on: June 29, 2013, 06:02:06 PM »
Have you seen Jimmy Carter's latest comments on how ALL the world's religions have systematically subjugated women?  Sorry don't have time to find a link for it, but it was in our paper this morning.  He really, REALLY lays it on the line!
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« Reply #610 on: June 29, 2013, 06:34:29 PM »
Mary...I found information on him and religion from 2009...

Jimmy Carter: How religion subjugates women

http://www.salon.com/2009/07/16/jimmy_carter/

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« Reply #611 on: June 29, 2013, 07:45:00 PM »
Thanks, jane - obviously, he's said something more recently, too. 
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« Reply #612 on: June 29, 2013, 08:26:03 PM »
Or it was a slow news day and a journalist found that and didn't see the original date.  :)

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« Reply #613 on: June 30, 2013, 08:04:05 AM »
Every thing he says is true.
Religions, which have historically always been invented by men, have been used as a means, through articles of faith, to make of women mere household servants and garden plots for growing more male babies.
Women have been browbeaten into believing this to be their god given role in life.
That is why a woman who expresses ideas is "forward, uppity, brash, loud-mouthed, pushy, bold, dominant, and, oh my gosh, acts like a man!"
By telling people how a god wants things to be and them to behave, there can be a humongous control of the populace.

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« Reply #614 on: June 30, 2013, 09:20:44 AM »
Most religions put down women terribly. There are few that did not, but most of them had women in charge who were not quite with us.. spiritualists,, The Shakers ( founded by Mother Ann). Religion in the end , at least the major ones have a lot to answer for.
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« Reply #615 on: June 30, 2013, 11:16:30 AM »
It is just flat out so patently obvious that the white men in suits who are holding hands and saying prayers and flaunting their religion like a sash full of boy scout badges won, and passing every sort of bill they can invent to make obstacle mines to prevent women from making their own decisions about the flesh of their bodies and how they can function within the cycles forced upon them by their female bodies, are doing all of this NOT for the sake of the lives and health of women and children, but to keep women ever in a second class of citizenship, chained by male designed laws meant to keep them there for all eternity.
I just SCREAM wondering why all women do not see this.  Why do women parrot what these men say and willingly give up their rights?  They were BORN in nature with these rights, but they grow up and relinquish them entirely to these men in suits.  Why?  Do they honestly and truly believe to their core that they will burn in hell forever if they do not?
What a waste.
What a shame.

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« Reply #616 on: June 30, 2013, 01:15:33 PM »
Another fabulous woman i never heard of even tho i did an independent study on medieval women in grad school. I agree with History Witch's last sentence...........altho i don't understand the title of the article.......:)


http://historywitch.com/2013/06/30/stand-between-two-trees-and-push/


So i continued to search, here's her bio, very interesting, a doctor and a teacher at a time when we think of women being very oppressed. How many more women are out there who have been hidden from our minds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotula


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« Reply #617 on: June 30, 2013, 05:39:57 PM »
Jane. I think that back in thos days things going on over in the univ. area were not all publicized in our local paper.. They still don't.  It's like they want to make it that every thing is perfect. Not on any campus anymore. They want these large donations to keep coming.
My soninlaw. Donates and gets the qtr. reports. Everything perfect. I have friends over with them so get to hear lots. We had 15 students raped in this first qtr but not one in the paper.  3prof. Have had to leave town.  Who knows why?
3 of mine are grads and we still think we would like the ggkids there later.  ..

Still would like a better football team also. Really lots of things wrong with leaders there.

My grandson is now a dean at Missouri state and same things happen.  Schools have just gotten to big now.

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« Reply #618 on: July 01, 2013, 08:52:07 AM »
doorbelll rang.. mark.
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« Reply #619 on: July 01, 2013, 01:09:24 PM »
Mary - i saw that article about Carter's comments about a month or so ago and thought it was wonderful of him to make that public statement. Rosalyn must be doing a good job of educating him.   :D :D

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« Reply #620 on: July 02, 2013, 08:21:27 AM »
Jean, don't you remember the wonderful Miss Lillian?
I think it was she!
I think Rosalind was one lucky young woman, because he was already convinced when she met him!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillian_Gordy_Carter

http://www.peacecorps.gov/resources/returned/staycon/lilliancarter/

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« Reply #621 on: July 02, 2013, 01:30:24 PM »
Yeah, i certainly do remember Miss Lillian, but when i read Rosalyn's book, if i remember it correctly after 20 yrs, i got the impression that when they first got married Jimmy was in charge! He decided to leave the navy - a life that Rosalyn really enjoyed - to go home to help with the peanut farm, without discussing it with her at all. I think he had to have his conscience raised, as did most of our husbands through the decades. I think he learned tolerance and fairness from Miss L, but he seemed to still have a patriarchal attitude about women, which makes sense. But he was obviously willing to be educated, especially after he had a daughter and after his mother was widowed.

I've noticed while learning about women's lives, that women tend to come into their own when they no longer have home, husbands or children to take care of - that might mean after becoming empty nesters, widows, divorcees, or had enough money to hire someone else to do those tasks (ER, especially in he White House). 

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« Reply #622 on: July 03, 2013, 07:33:38 AM »
Yes, the last almost four years have taught me that women do come into their own, when they are the only one left to make decisions. It is truly hard at first for our generation that went from parents to college to marriage with no inbetween of our own, but it can be done..
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« Reply #623 on: July 03, 2013, 01:08:41 PM »
Here is another perspective, re: companies dropping Paula Deen, that includes the sexism and sexual harrassment going on in their restaurants.

http://nursingclio.org/2013/07/03/no-paula-deen-its-not-just-men-being-men/

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« Reply #624 on: July 03, 2013, 03:04:17 PM »
We still do not know if the case is someone with a vendetta or if it is a fact until there is a judgement - I just see this as fuel to the fire - restaurant work is hard - very hard and there is a dress code not only by the owner but by law - and so until we have something more than hear-say this is one more in the pile of articles trying to bring down the lady - I cannot help see others who have far more egregious behavior are not being written up and called out - if this does turn out to be true than Paula and Bubba have a lot to take care of to clean up their act.

Surprising they only include Bubba what about her two sons and her uncle that all have successful restaurants with Paula as co-owner. If they have no law suite than what does that say about Paula - in one restaurant she is a good employer and in another she is not - or are we talking trusted but not supervised every day managers who are guilty and since she is an owner she gets the publicity.
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« Reply #625 on: July 03, 2013, 06:55:01 PM »
(a repeat of my answer in The Library)


Maybe her sons are better managers then she and Bubba. I think the info is from the depositions from the law suit against she and Bubba.


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« Reply #626 on: July 03, 2013, 07:50:42 PM »
OK sounds like you have made up your mind and for some reason decided her crimes are too great and she deserves all this - Wow and then we wonder how it is that women are not supported by other women - yep I am flabbergasted what male owner of a large corporation who is accused of harassment is put through this kind of public humiliation much less do they even loose investors - even if she is guilty does she deserve this? Evidently to bring a suite not a judgement to the attention of folks sure helps to justify the vitriol.

Again I just wonder how she is so different when she is in her Son's establishment or her Uncles Seafood Restaurant as compared to the one she and Bubba run. Makes no sense, but if you are aga'n' her well sense is not an issue.
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« Reply #627 on: July 04, 2013, 08:41:51 AM »
Have a Glorious Celebration of this grand day for us all, and then turn your eyes to Texas and North Carolina and the battle for Women's Independence and control over their own bodies!

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« Reply #628 on: July 04, 2013, 09:01:05 AM »
Jean...thanks for that deposition infor.  It's unfortunate that Bubba doesn't seem to have the sense God gave a goose.


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« Reply #629 on: July 04, 2013, 09:27:58 AM »
Yes,Bubba is an idiot, but Paula protects him. I know baby brother, but she is not helping him and was harming employees. Everyone is wrong, but her and Bubba and everyone is evil and againstg her  in the deposition.
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« Reply #630 on: July 04, 2013, 10:28:42 PM »
(some of a comment i posted inThe Library).........

Barbara mentioned that there was a lit of guilt by assocation re: Bubba and Paula.

This is not "guilt by association" as i see it. She is the CEO of the corporation and part owner of the restaurantin which the harassment was taking place. Therefore she has liability. Either she's lying,or she's developing dementia, or she's high. Nobody who is in business can "not remember" so many details as she in answering questions about her business. She's all over the place in her answers.

But, all of that is not important to anyone but those who have been involved. As was said in a headline "its not like she struck down the Voting Rights Act." it is just another snapshot that tells us we should not forget that those kinds of things are definitely happening in this country. So many people are sheltered from the "meaness" that still exists even here in the USA. I keep hearing people say "really? That really happened? That was really said? The cop really treated you that way? Your boss said/did that?" unfortunately, the answer is still "Yes!"

I really could get depressed, but i can balance those actions with some major progress, which keeps me hopelessly optimistic.

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« Reply #631 on: July 05, 2013, 01:34:35 AM »
Jean my reference to guilt by association is her being called guilty by any of us, the public, because of written reports that have associated her 'assumed behavior' to what we can imagine - we do not know other than what is on official record. The only record we have is an accusation - a complaint - there has been no judgement and based on the accusation we have all this harsh opinion against the women as CEO -

Again, I reiterate this is not typical of the experience for a male CEO with similar accusations - I know of no male CEO who has lost whole hunks of their business because the public used their imagination to believe guilt by associating with supposition and references that only gives us a picture of the accusers viewpoint along with what is written about by reporters so that we can put our imagination in play. Our guilty verdict is so embedded that when she did try to be honest about her past it was thrown back at her.

Having lost my job and reputation in that company because of assumptions when I was going through a very bad patch I know the pain of people gossiping and assuming they know not only what happened by why I did not act as they would have within their idea or imagination of the situation or that I 'should have' known in advance what was happening - this is what supports my disgust about making a judgement based on our imagination.

Until we have facts I choose to support Paula - I am sure she does not need my support - most of us can hardly dream of what it takes to amass an empire as she has however, I do not like seeing what this is bringing out in people. I do not like seeing that unless a women is perfect we cannot support her. Many a man is far from perfect and yet, we support, vote for, or make him rich.

I am not picking up that the lack of support here is done as tongue and cheek as we often do when we think someone has jumped too far or in a way we do not agree - I am not good at writing it but it is affective however, I am not picking up that there are posts here using satire and irony. And yes, I do think there is much blame based on public and reporter's gossip and an accusation document that combined reminds me of Arthur Miller's play.
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« Reply #632 on: July 05, 2013, 09:26:36 AM »
Since I never cared for Paula after the diabetes stupidity, I am not all of a sudden against her. I do not think that anyone,male or female needs to be perfect. I have heroines.. Julia never once made money on anything except her cookbooks. She never endorsed, and only was on public tv.. Margaret Meade, huge heroine of mine led a very checkeredife in many many ways, but I have always admire her. Pearl Buck,, oh me, was involved in several serious scandals, I still count her as a heroine in my book.. It just depends and after reading the deposition, there was way too much dancing around the truth, but she is being punished too severely for that. Since I never watch her shows, dont buy her labeled products, etc,I do not have a dog in this fight.
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« Reply #633 on: July 05, 2013, 04:02:11 PM »
I don't have a dog in this fight, either, Steph.  Since I had never heard of Paula Dean until this came up, and since I have never been interested in cooking or cookbooks or cooking shows or restaurants of renown, other than those within my patronage, I really should keep my mouth shut.  The brouhaha got my back up initially because it is once again a woman, but my ignorance of the circumstances and lack of familiarity with the woman caution me to wait the whole thing out.

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« Reply #634 on: July 06, 2013, 08:47:23 AM »
There are so many brave and heroic women in real life that I wish I was,,, oh well. I can admire them..
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« Reply #635 on: July 07, 2013, 04:10:38 PM »
a very short story from a newspaper during the Revolutionary war extolling the virtues of the Women who collected for the Continental Army

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.loa.org/images/pdf/Anon_Sentiments_Lady.pdf

Here is the link to the come-on for the story with a bit more information with a copy of a painting of Esther De Berdt Reed
http://links.loa.org/YesConnect/HtmlMessagePreview?a=oizJlesGlVhRwYGjFwilRi

And this has even more relevant information on what happened and how the story is related to ancient Greek women's experience
http://storyoftheweek.loa.org/2013/07/the-sentiments-of-lady-in-new-jersey.html
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« Reply #636 on: July 08, 2013, 08:45:32 AM »
Just became a facebook friend to the legislature female in Texas. Interesting.
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« Reply #637 on: July 08, 2013, 09:28:30 AM »
DO keep us informed!
That should be interesting.
My second husband was a native of Dallas.  All of his folks and most of our generation are gone now, but, conservative though I found most from Big D to be, the women were most definitely on the Pro-Choice side of things.  And I am talking about my mother-in-law and her huge circle of friends, the women of my age, and the daughters and granddaughters.  They wanted their contraception, their hysterectomies at age forty, and their freedom/private control over their bodies.  They wanted their decisions to give birth or not to give birth to be THEIRS, and not public policy.  David died in 1997.  I went down to Dallas and visited after his death, but have not been down there for over 15 years now.  I mean, the family of our generation really is gone.  But bottom line, I cannot believe Texas women have suddenly changed course all that much.  The ones I knew were just never political, but I think the likes of Wendy Davis can get the new generations to wake up and smell the males trying to control the workings of THEIR wombs!

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« Reply #638 on: July 08, 2013, 10:31:17 AM »
Have y'all found the blog Margaret and Helen?  Helen writes it, and she lives in Texas.  Her entry from last week is prime!  Check it out.
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« Reply #639 on: July 08, 2013, 12:14:47 PM »
Wonderful post! Thanks Mary for the link. I haven't read them for a while. Always a joy.

Here's an email I sent to some friends yesterday......from the Nurse Clio blog yesterday....

.[Girl Cheese!!! Yep! That's what i said! Girl cheese! Who knew we could have gendered cheese!?!

.............ridiculous.............short article, don't miss the comments......... He's got a book, she's got jewelry!

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/07/03/the-weird-new-world-of-girl-cheese//color]



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