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Emily

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« Reply #2080 on: November 08, 2013, 11:07:17 PM »

"I want to know what were the steps by which
man passed from barbarism to civilization (Voltaire)"

   



What are our origins?
Where are we now?
Where are we headed?
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   Volume Five (The Renaissance)
       
"Four elements constitute Civilization -- economic provision, political organization, moral traditions, and the pursuit of knowledge and the arts. "
 
"I shall proceed as rapidly as time and circumstances will permit, hoping that a few of my contemporaries will care to grow old with me while learning. "
       
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"Civilization begins where chaos and insecurity ends."






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This discussion began on Nov. 1, 2001. We have completed twelve years of discussion on the Story of Civilization. My gratitude to Robby for creating this discussion and leading it for several years. Then the loss of the website Senior net, we found a new forum here at Senior Learn. Thanks to Trevor for leading the discussion forward. He (Trevor) has been here from the beginning and for that I am grateful.

I am grateful for Joan, Jean, and Brian and all others who have posted in this forum.

Emma  

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2081 on: November 09, 2013, 10:56:02 AM »
The size of the headgear is possibly meant to reflect his strength
and wisdom.   The Sikhs used it in this way.

http://qualityjunkyard.com/2009/12/16/large-turbans/

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2082 on: November 09, 2013, 11:03:50 AM »
With you, Emily,  I have previously expressed my gratitude to both Robby and to Trevor. 
Has anybody heard news of Robby lately ? Like the rest of us he's not getting any younger.
Brian

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« Reply #2083 on: November 09, 2013, 07:42:34 PM »
Thank you so much, TREVOR, for picking up where Robby left off.

Those turbans are amazing! just thinking of wearing them makes my neck hurt!

Emily

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« Reply #2084 on: November 09, 2013, 10:41:48 PM »
I agree with Joan on the turban, it gives me a headache just looking at it.

Thanks Brian for the information on the turban. Someone posted here they had written to Robby and he stated he would welcome e-mail from posters. I sent him an e-mail and he answered saying all was well and that he is still busy and active.

Emma

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« Reply #2085 on: November 14, 2013, 09:19:02 PM »
DURANTS'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  THE REFORMATION.
Pgs  441  -  444



                                THE DIETS DISAGREE:   1526 - 1541

As internal liberty varies ( other things equal ) with external security, Protestantism, during its safe period, indulged in the sectarian fragmentation that seemed inherent in the principles of private judgement and the supremacy of conscience. Already in 1525 Luther wrote : “There are nowadays almost as many sects and creeds as there are heads.” Melanchthon was kept grievously busy moderating his master and finding ambiguous formulas for reconciling contradictory certitudes. Catholics pointed gleefully at the mutually recriminating Protestant factions, and predicted that freedom of interpretation and belief would lead to religious anarchy, moral disintegration, and scepticism abominable to Protestants as well as Catholics.

Having made his peace with Clement, Charles returned to the natural conservatism of a king, and ordered the Diet of Speyer to reconvene. Under the influence of the presiding Archduke and the absent Emperor the new assembly repealed the “Recess” of 1526, and passed a decree permitting Lutheran services -- but requiring the toleration of Catholic services -- in Lutheran states, completely forbidding Lutheran preaching or ritual in Catholic states, enforcing the Edict of Worms, and outlawing Zwinglian and Anabaptist sects everywhere. On April 25, 1529, the Lutheran minority published a “Protest” declaring that conscience forbade their acceptance of this decree; they appealed to the emperor for a general council; meanwhile they would adhere to the original Recess of Speyer at what ever the cost. The term Protestant was applied by the Catholics to the signers of this Protest and gradually came into use to designate the German rebels from Rome.

Still needing German unity against the Turks, Charles called another diet, which met at Augsburg June 20 1530, under his presidency. During this  conference he stayed with Anton Fugger, now head of the firm that had made him emperor. According to an old story, the banker pleased the ruler by lighting a fire with an Imperial certificate of indebtedness. As the Fuggers were financially allied with the popes, the gesture may have moved Charles a step nearer to the papacy. Luther did not attend, for he was still under the Imperial ban, and might at any moment be arrested; but he went to Coburg, on the Saxon border, and kept in touch, through messengers, with the Protestant delegation. He complained that “each bishop brought as many devils,” or voters to the Diet “ as there are flees on a dog on St. John’s day.”

On June 24 Cardinal Campeggio appealed to the Diet for the utter suppression of Protestant sects. On the 25 June Christian Bayer read to the Emperor and a portion of the assembly the famous Augsburg Confession, which Melanchthon had prepared, and which with some modifications, was to become the official creed of the Lutheran churches. Partly because he feared a war of the combined imperial and papal forces against the divided Protestants, partly because he was by temperament inclined to compromise and peace, Melanchthon gave the statement ( says a Catholic scholar) “a dignified, moderate, and pacific tone,” and strove to minimize the difference between Catholic and Lutheran views. He expiated on the heresies that the Evangelicals (as the Lutherans called themselves from their sole reliance on the Gospels or the New Testament.) and the Roman Catholics alike condemned; he dissociated the Lutheran from the Zwinlian reform, and left the latter to fend for itself. He softened the doctrines of “predestination, “consubstantiation,” and justification by faith. He defended with courtesy the administration of the sacrament in both forms, the abolition of monastic vows, the marriage of the clergy, and he appealed to Cardinal Campeggio to accept the Confession in the conciliatory spirit in which it had been composed. Luther regretted some of the concessions, but gave to the document his approval.

The extreme faction of the Catholics, led by Eck, retorted with a confutation so intransigent that the assembly refused to submit it to the Emperor until it had twice been toned down. So revised, it insisted on transubstantiation, seven sacraments, the invocation of saints, clerical celibacy, communion in bread alone, and the Latin Mass. Charles approved this confutation and declared that the Protestants must accept it or face war. A milder party of Catholics entered into negotiation with Melanchthon, and offered to permit communion in bread and wine. Melanchthon in return agreed to recognize auricular confession, fasts, episcopal jurisdiction, even with some provisos, the authority of popes. But other Protestant leaders refused to go so far; Luther protested that the restoration of Episcopal jurisdiction would subject the new ministers to the Roman hierarchy, and would soon liquidate the Reformation. Seeing agreement impossible, several Protestant princes left for their homes.

On November 19 the diminished Diet issued its final decree. All phases of Protestantism were condemned; the Edict of Worms was to be enforced; the Imperial Chamber of Justice ( Reichskammergericht ) was to start legal actions against all appropriators of ecclesiastical property; the Protestants were to have until April 15 1531 to accept the confutation peaceably. Charles’s signature made this “Recess of Augsburg” an Imperial decree. To the Emperor it must have seemed the height of reasonableness to give the rebels six months to adjust themselves to the will of the Diet. Within that period he offered immunity from the Edict of Worms. Thereafter if other duties allowed, he might have to submit the rival theologies to the supreme court of war.
 

3kings(Trevor)

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2086 on: November 14, 2013, 09:24:57 PM »
It is depressing, isn't it, that even in this 21 century, those who profess Christianity so loudly are the ones who throughout history have been the loudest brayers for war?

JoanK

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« Reply #2087 on: November 15, 2013, 05:47:59 PM »
Very depressing. I wonder what the common people were thinking while this was going on.

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« Reply #2088 on: November 15, 2013, 05:51:10 PM »
And in the middle of this, I wondered why dogs would have more fleas on St. John's Day. It celebrates the birthday of John the Baptist: maybe it occurs at the height of flea season.

Emily

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« Reply #2089 on: November 15, 2013, 06:04:01 PM »
Trevor, good to see your comment, and I agree with it completely.

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Charles called another diet, which met at Augsburg June 20 1530, under his presidency. During this  conference he stayed with Anton Fugger, now head of the firm that had made him emperor. According to an old story, the banker pleased the ruler by lighting a fire with an Imperial certificate of indebtedness. As the Fuggers were financially allied with the popes, the gesture may have moved Charles a step nearer to the papacy.

Anton Fugger was not a Christian, and his only interest in the Catholics was the collection of money for indulgences and the selling of church offices. He was a common criminal whose greed was so overwhelming that he was devoid of all humanity. Charles was unfit to rule over a den of snakes. They plot against humanity and want war. Their greed and lust for power over others is repulsive.

Emma

 

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2090 on: November 15, 2013, 06:44:00 PM »
I love WORDS and the uses they get put to (if you'll pardon the grammar!)

Consubstantiation :

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The idea is that in the communion, the body and blood of Christ, and the bread and wine, coexist in union with each other. “Luther illustrated it by the analogy of the iron put into the fire whereby both fire and iron are united in the red-hot iron and yet each continues unchanged
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And who could have put it better than the Durants with : -

 - - - the supreme court of war - - -
 

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2091 on: November 15, 2013, 10:03:41 PM »
We have been reading the History of Civilization,  for over ten years.

Now,  you can watch the History of the Universe,  in little over two minutes
starting with the "Big Bang".

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=MrqqD_Tsy4Q

Brian

JoanK

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« Reply #2092 on: November 16, 2013, 05:34:06 PM »
WOW!

Emily

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« Reply #2093 on: November 16, 2013, 09:57:21 PM »
DITTO!


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« Reply #2094 on: November 17, 2013, 01:15:30 PM »
As i read about the Augsburg Confession i wondered if it was a predecessor of the Apostle's Creed, but i discovered that the Apostle's Creed was a thousand years older. Here is Wiki's take on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed

In our Methodist church in the fifties we did not say "he descended into hell." Uummm, interesting, why the change? Changed belief of there being a "hell"? Wanted to make it less terrifying? Didn't believe he went to hell - a Catholic idea? (and we were staying far away from anything that smacked of Catholicism).

Aahhh "connections". Interesting to me how when you become familiar with a name, a place or an idea, you see it over and over again often in places you never expected. I'm reading "Girls Like Us", a triple bio of Carole King, Joni Mitchell and Carly Simon. In a section on Carly Simon talking about her emvironment while growing up there was this statement "Both houses (they had houses in NY and Conn) overflowed with lived culture, -'there were books everywhere', the youngest Simon sibling, Peter, recalled recently - and the makers of culture, including Irvin Shaw, Will and Ariel Durant, bridge master Charles Goen, poet Louis Untermeyer, myriad other writers and scholars, and once, even Albert Einstein."

Wow! Can you imagine? A child probably wouldn't appreciate that experience, besides it was just typical for her. They also were a musical family and aways had evening musicales often with musical names you would recognize. I'm so jealous, altho it didn't turn out to be a positive childhood for her. Her parents were very involved in these events and people and not very nurturing, especially for Carly who felt like the ugly duckling and the outsider. ( altho, i'm beginning to realize that many of us felt like outsiders in our youth, seems like just the psychology of youth. Robby, we need your expertise!)

Jean

Emily

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« Reply #2095 on: November 17, 2013, 10:29:22 PM »
Thanks Jean for your interesting post.  Will Durant being a writer of history required him to read thousands of books and original documents most in their language of origin such as Latin. He would probably have welcomed a respite from that aloneness being a writer of non fiction, where facts matter.

Emma


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« Reply #2096 on: November 23, 2013, 06:50:58 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs 444 -  447


While the Diet was yet in session several states formed a Catholic League for the defence and restoration of the traditional faith. Interpreting this as  a martial gesture, protestant princes and cities organised( March 1531 ) the Schmalkaldic League, which took its name from its birthplace near Erfurt. Ferdinand, now “King of the Romans,” proposed to Charles to begin war. But Charles was not yet ready. Suleiman was planning another attack upon Vienna: Suleiman’s confederate ,Barbarossa, was raiding Christian commerce in the Mediterranean; and Suleiman’s ally, Francis of France, was waiting to pounce upon Milan the moment Charles became involved in a German civil war. In 1531, instead of enforcing the Augsburg decree, he suspended it, and asked for protestant aid against the Turks. Luther  and the princes responded loyally; Lutherans and Catholics signed the peace of Nuremberg (July 1532), pledging united aid to Ferdinand, and mutual religious toleration until a general council should be convened. So numerous an army of Protestant and Catholics Germans or Spanish and Italian Catholics, gathered under the Emperors standard at Vienna that Suleiman found the omens unfavourable and turned back to Constantinople, while the Christian army, drunk with its bloodless victory, plundered  Christian towns and homes, “spreading greater disaster,” said eyewitness Thomas Cranmer of England, “ than the Turks themselves.”

The patriotism of the Protestants gave their movement new dignity and impetus. When Aleander, again papal emissary, offered the Lutheran leaders a hearing at a general council if they would promise submission to the council’s final decisions they rejected the proposal. A year later (1534) Phillip of Hesse, disregarding Luther’s  condemnation of any offensive policy, accepted French aid in restoring  the Protestant Duke Ulrich to power in Württemberg. Ferdinand’s  rule there was ended; the churches were pillaged, the monasteries were closed, and their property was taken by the state. Ferdinand was absorbed in the east, Charles in the west; the Anabaptists were apparently consolidating a communistic revolution in Münster; Jürgen Wullenwever’s radicals captured Lübeck  (1535); the Catholic princes now needed Lutheran aid against internal revolt as much as against the Ottomans. Moreover Scandinavia and England had by that time renounced Rome, and Catholic France was seeking the alliance of Lutheran Germany against Charles V.

Elated with this growing strength, the Schmalkaldic League voted to raise an army of 12,000 men. It repudiated the Imperial Chamber of Justice, and notified the Emperor's vice-chancellor that it would not admit the right of Catholics to retain Church property, or to  carry out their worship, in the territories of Protestant princes. The Catholic states renewed their League, and demanded of Charles full enforcement of the powers given to the  Reichskammergericht. He replied with gracious words, but fear of Francis I at his back kept him at bay.

When the Catholic Duke George of Albertine Saxony died he was succeeded by his brother Henry, a Lutheran; Henry in turn was succeeded by Maurice, who was to be the military saviour of Protestantism in Germany. In 1542 the duchy of Cleves, the bishopric of Naumburg, even Albrecht ht’s see of Halle, were added to the Protestant roster by timely mixtures of Politics and war; and in 1543 Count Herman von Wied, Archbishop-Elector of Cologne, shocked Rome by transforming himself into a Lutheran. The Protestant leaders were so confident that in January 1540, Luther, Melanchthon and others, issued a declaration to the effect that peace could be had only through the  renunciation, by the Emperor and the Catholic clergy, of their “idolatry and error,” and by the adoption of the “pure doctrine” of the Augsburg Confession. And the document proceeded: “Even if the Pope were to concede  to us our doctrines and ceremonies, we should still be obliged to treat him as a persecutor and an outcast, since in other kingdoms he would not renounce his errors.”

“It is all up with the Pope,” said Luther” as it is with his god, the Devil.” Charles almost agreed, for in April 1540, he took the religious initiative from the Pope, and invited the Catholic and Protestant leaders of Germany to meet in “Christian colloquy” to seek again a peaceful settlement of their differences. “Unless the Pope intervenes decisively,” wrote a papal nuncio, “the whole of Germany will fall prey to Protestantism.” At a preliminary conference in Worms a long debate between Eck and Melanchthon resulted in the tentative acceptance, by the previously intransigent Catholic, of the mild positions formulated in the Augsburg Confession. Encouraged, Charles summoned the two groups to Ratisbon (Regensburg). There, under his leadership, they made their closest approach to a settlement. Paul III was disposed to peace, and his chief delegate, Cardinal Gasparo Contarini, was a man of goodwill, and of high moral character. The Emperor, harassed by threats from France and appeals from Ferdinand for help against the returning Turks, was so anxious for an agreement that many Catholic leaders suspected ted him of Protestant leanings. The conference concurred in permitting marriage of the clergy and communion in both kinds; but no legerdemain could find a formula  at once affirming and denying the religious supremacy of the popes, and transubstantiation in the Eucharist; Contarini was not amused by a protestant query whether a mouse that nibbled at a fallen consecrated Host was eating bread or God. The conference failed, but Charles, hurrying off to  war, gave an interim pledge to the Protestants that there would be proceedings against them for holding the doctrines of the Augsburg Confession, or for retaining confiscated Church property.

During these years of controversy and growth the new faith had created a new Church. At Luther’s suggestion it called itself Evangelical. He had originally advocated an ecclesiastical democracy, in which each congregation would select its own minister and determine its own ritual and creed; but his increasing dependence on the princes compelled him to surrender these prerogatives to commissions appointed by, and responsible to, the state. As a doctrinal guide for the new churches Luther drew up a five-page “Kleiner Katechismus ( 1529) consisting of the ten commandments, the Apostles Creed, and brief interpretations of each article. It would have been considered quite orthodox in the first four centuries of Christianity. “Divine Service” retained much of the Catholic ritual.--- alter, cross, candles, vestments, and parts of the Mass in German; but a larger role was given to the sermon, and there were no prayers to the Virgin or saints. Religious paintings and statues were discarded. The most pleasant innovation was the active participation of the congregation in the music of the ceremony. Even the noteless long to sing, and now every voice could fondly hear itself in the protective anonymity of the crowd. Luther became overnight a poet, and wrote didactic, polemical, and inspirational hymns of a rough and masculine power typical of his nature.. Not only did the worshipers sing these and other protestant hymns; they were called together during the week to rehearse them; and many families sang them in their homes.
A worried Jesuit reckoned that  “ the hymns of Luther killed { converted} more souls than his sermons.”  The Protestant music of the Reformation rose to rival the Catholic painting of the Renaissance.       

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« Reply #2097 on: November 23, 2013, 07:24:57 PM »
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timely mixtures of Politics and war

Once again,  I have to say that the Durants keep coming up with wonderful phrases.

If you can't get the others to agree with what you are saying,  or in the case of the
Protestants,  what you are singing - - -  then you have to bash a few skulls - - -
unless of course you have the Turks at your door.

Brian

Emily

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« Reply #2098 on: November 23, 2013, 10:09:08 PM »
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A worried Jesuit reckoned that  “ the hymns of Luther  { converted} more souls than his sermons.”  The Protestant music of the Reformation rose to rival the Catholic painting of the Renaissance.

Durant calls Luther a 'didactic' who wrote poetry and music to add to his already enormous output. A man of many talents. I agree with the Jesuit that music has a power all its own, especially when the words are in the voice of the parishoner.

 

 

         
 
 
 

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« Reply #2099 on: November 27, 2013, 04:08:37 PM »
DURANTS'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 447 -  453



                              THE LION OF WITTENBERG 1536 - 1546

Luther took no direct part in the pacific conferences of these his declining years; the princes rather then the theologians were now the Protestant leaders, for the issue concerned property and power far more than dogma and ritual. Luther was not made for negotiation, and he was getting too old to fight with weapons other than the pen. A papal envoy described him in 1535 as still vigorous and heartily humorous; but his expanding frame harboured a dozen diseases -- indigestion, insomnia, dizziness, colic, stones in the kidneys, abscesses in the ears, ulcers, gout, rheumatism, sciatica, and palpitation of the heart. He used alcoholic drinks to dull his pain and bring him sleep; he sampled the drugs that the doctors prescribed for him; and he tried impatient prayer; the diseases progressed. In 1537 he thought he would die of stone, and he issued an ultimatum to the Deity: “If this pain lasts longer I shall go mad and fail to recognise Thy goodness.” His deteriorating temper was in part an expression of his suffering. His friends increasingly avoided him “ for hardly one of us,” said a saddened votary, “ can escape his anger and his public scourging.”

His political opinions in his later years suggest that silence is trebly golden after sixty. He had always been politically conservative even when appearing to encourage social revolution. His religious revolt was against practice rather than theory; he objected to the high costs of indulgences and later to papal domination, but he accepted to the end of his life the most difficult doctrines of orthodox Christianity -- Trinity, Virgin Birth, Atonement, Real Presence, hell -- and  made some of these more indigestible than before. He despised the common people and would have corrected Lincoln’s famous error on that  spawn of carelessness. Herr Omnes -- Mr. Crowd -- needs strong government, “lest the world becomes wild, peace vanish, and commerce be destroyed... No one need think that the world can be ruled without blood ... the world cannot be ruled with a rosary.”  But when government by rosaries lost its power, government by the sword had to take its place. So Luther had to transfer to the state most of the authority that had been held by the Church; therefore he defended the divine right of kings. “The hand that wields the secular sword is not a human hand but the hand of God. It is God, not man, who wages war; who hangs and breaks on the wheel, and decapitates, and flogs;” In this exaltation of the state as now the sole source of order lay the seeds of the absolutist philosophies of Hobbes and Hegel, and a premonition of Imperial Germany. In Luther, Henry IV brought Hildebrand to Canosa.

The aged Luther became more conservative than the princes. He approved the exaction of forced labour and heavy feudal dues from the peasants; and when one baron had twitches of conscience Luther reassured him on the ground that if such burdens were not imposed upon them, commoners would become overbearing. He quoted the Old Testament as justifying slavery. “ Sheep, cattle, men-servants, and maid servants were all possessions to be sold as it pleased their masters; it were a good thing if it were still so. For else no man may compel nor tame the servile folk. To serve God is for everyone to remain in his vocation and calling, be it ever so mean and simple.” This conception of vocation became a pillar of conservatism in Protestant lands.

A prince who had been a loyal supporter of the Protestant cause brought Luther an uncomfortable problem in 1539. Philip of Hesse was at once warlike, amorous and conscientious. His wife, Christine of Savoy, was a faithful and fertile eyesore; Philip hesitated to divorce one so deserving, but he powerfully desired Margaret of Saale, whom he had  met while convalescing from syphilis. After practicing adultery for some time he decided that he was in a state of sin, and must abstain from the Lord’s Supper. This proving inconvenient, he suggested to Luther that the new religion, so indebted to the Old Testament, should, like it, allow bigamy == for which however the prevailing legal penalty was death. After all, was this not more seemly than Francis I’s succession of mistresses, and more humane than Henry VIII’s executive husbandry? [ Henry’s executive husbandry !?! that will tickle Brian’s sense of humour]  So anxious was Philip for this Biblical solution that he intimated his defection to the Imperial, even the papal camp, if the Wittenberg theologians could not see the Scriptural light. Luther was ready; indeed in the “Babylonian Captivity” he had preferred bigamy to divorce; and he had recommended  bigamy as the best solution  for Henry VIII.

Though Malanchthon was reluctant, he finally agreed with Luther that their consent should be given, but insisted that the details should be withheld from the public. Christine consented too, on condition that Philip “ was to fulfil his marital duties to her more than ever before.” The grateful prince sent Luther a cartload of wine as a ‘pourboire’ When news of the settlement leaked out Luther denied giving consent; “the secret Yea,” he wrote “ must for the sake of Christ’s Church remain a public Nay.” Most Evangelicals were scandalised. Catholics were amused and delighted, not knowing that Pope Clement VII had himself thought of allowing bigamy to Henry VIII.

Luther's temper became hot lava as he  neared the grave. In 1545 he attacked the Zwinglian “Sacramentarians” with such violence that Melanchthon mourned the widening chasm between the Protestants of the south and north. Asked by Elector John to restate the case against participation in a papally directed council, Luther sent forth a tirade “Against the Papacy at Rome Founded by the Devil,” in which his flare for vituperation surpassed itself. The word ‘devil’ peppered the text; “the Pope was the most hellish father,” “this Roman hermaphrodite” and “Sodomite pope”; the cardinals were desperately lost children of the Devil .... ignorant asses...One would like to curse them so that thunder and lightning smite them, hell fire burn them, the plague, syphilis, epilepsy, scurvy, leprosy, carbuncles, and all diseases attack them.” He repudiated again the notion that the Holy Roman Empire was a gift of the popes; on the contrary, he thought, the time had come for the Empire to absorb the Papal States.

Perhaps his mind had begun to fail when he wrote this clarion call to violence. The gradual poisoning of the internal organs by time and food and drink may have reached and injured the brain. In his later years Luther became uncomfortably stout, with hanging jowls and convoluted chin. He described himself as “old, decrepit, sluggish, weary, cold, with but one good eye. I am tired of the world, and it is tired of me.”  Early one morning he fell ill with stomach pains. He weakened rapidly, then an apoplectic stroke deprived him of speech, and in its course, he died. ( Feb 18, 1546.) The body was taken back to Wittenberg, and was buried in the Castle Church on whose door he had pinned his Theses twenty-nine years before. Those years were among the most momentous in history, and Luther had been their strident and dominant voice.

His faults were many. He lacked appreciation of the historic role that the Church had played in civilising northern Europe, lacked understanding of mankind’s hunger for symbolic and consolatory myths, lacked the charity to deal justly with his Catholic and Protestant foes. He freed his followers from an infallible pope, but subjected them to an infallible book. He retained the most cruel and incredible dogmas of medieval religion, while allowing  almost all its beauty to be stamped out in its legends and its art, and bequeathed to Germany a Christianity no truer than the old one, far less joyous and comforting, only more honest in its teaching and personnel. He became almost as intolerant as the Inquisition, but his words were harsher than his deeds. He was guilty of the most vituperative writing in the history of literature. He taught Germany the theological hatred that incarnadined its soil until a hundred years after his death.

 It remains that with the blows of his rude fist he smashed the cake of custom, the shell of authority, that had blocked the movement of the European mind. If we judge greatness by influence-- which is the least subjective test that we can use-- we may rank Luther with Copernicus, Voltaire, and Darwin as the most powerful personalities in the modern world. More has been written about him than any other modern man except Shakespeare and Napoleon. His influence on German literature and speech was as decisive and pervasive as that of the King James Bible on language and letters in England. No other German is so frequently  or so fondly quoted.

His influence lessened as it spread; it was immense in  Scandinavia, transitory in France, superseded by Calvin’s in Scotland, England, and America. But in Germany it was supreme. He was the most powerful figure in German history, and his countrymen love him not less because he was the most German German of them all.


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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2100 on: November 30, 2013, 12:25:58 PM »
My comment on Martin Luther, "He was a highly intelligent man without a lick of common sense"


Comments from other sources that I would apply to the situation.........

"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it."  Mark Twain

"Man will never be free until the last King is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" Denis Diderot

"For the great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic" John F. Kennedy

"Fear believes - Courage doubts. Fear falls upon the earth and prays - Courage stands erect and thinks"

"Fear is barbarism - Courage is civilization"

"Fear is religion - Courage is science"

"Fear is the mother of Superstition"

"in Nature there are neither rewards nor punishment - There are consequences."      Robert G. Ingersoll

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful"    Seneca the younger  4 bc - 65 ad

"Every tryant who has lived has believed in freedom for himself"  Elbert Hubbard

I am a common woman of old age. I will throw my lot in with common humanity against all tryants and egomaniacs of every stripe and description.

Emma


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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2101 on: November 30, 2013, 11:27:25 PM »
Good quotes, Emily. Thanks for finding and posting them.

And Durant's comments are good too: His political opinions in his later years suggest that silence is trebly golden after sixty made me giggle.

This conception of vocation became a pillar of conservatism in Protestant lands. Au courant,  as Ginny would say. Lol.

And this paragraph is incredible as we look at it from the 21st century!!!

"A prince who had been a loyal supporter of the Protestant cause brought Luther an uncomfortable problem in 1539. Philip of Hesse was at once warlike, amorous and conscientious. His wife, Christine of Savoy, was a faithful and fertile eyesore; Philip hesitated to divorce one so deserving, but he powerfully desired Margaret of Saale, whom he had  met while convalescing from syphilis. After practicing adultery for some time he decided that he was in a state of sin, and must abstain from the Lord’s Supper. This proving inconvenient, he suggested to Luther that the new religion, so indebted to the Old Testament, should, like it, allow bigamy == for which however the prevailing legal penalty was death. After all, was this not more seemly than Francis I’s succession of mistresses, and more humane than Henry VIII’s executive husbandry? [ Henry’s executive husbandry !?! that will tickle Brian’s sense of humour]  So anxious was Philip for this Biblical solution that he intimated his defection to the Imperial, even the papal camp, if the Wittenberg theologians could not see the Scriptural light. Luther was ready; indeed in the “Babylonian Captivity” he had preferred bigamy to divorce; and he had recommended  bigamy as the best solution  for Henry VIII."

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2102 on: December 01, 2013, 11:19:53 AM »
Mabel  - - -  you have quoted two of my favourite bits
from Trevor's post - - -

"silence is trebly golden after sixty"
and
"faithful and fertile eyesore"

Brian

mabel1015j

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2103 on: December 01, 2013, 11:40:17 AM »
Me too! Lol!

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2104 on: December 01, 2013, 07:07:39 PM »
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Most Evangelicals were scandalised. Catholics were amused and delighted, not knowing that Pope Clement VII had himself thought of allowing bigamy to Henry VIII.

With all the inconvenient wives of those in power, both Luther and the Pope show what hypocrites they are, and how beneath they are to those they call common folk. I prefer the words 'workers and doers' to 'common'. These workers are head and shoulders above any parasite who ever lived, and that would include the Pope and Luther.

The megalomaniac wants and desires rules for the 'workers and doers' of the world, but they don't believe those rules apply to them and their cronies. In the hundreds of biographies read over the years, I began to write down the 'law-breaking' committed by these people with casual disregard for the public.

Emma 

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« Reply #2105 on: December 06, 2013, 09:36:46 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  The REFORMATION
Pgs. 453  -  458


                    THE  TRIUMPH OF PROTESTANTISM    1542  -  1555 
 Luther died just a year before a disaster that seemed fatal to Protestantism in Germany. In 1545 Charles V, helped by Lutheran troops, compelled Francis I to sign the Peace of Crépy. Suleiman, at war with Persia, gave the West a five year truce. Pope Paul III promised the Emperor 1,100,000 ducats, 12,000 infantry, 500 horse, if he would turn his full force against the heretics. Charles felt that at last he might effect what all along had been his hope and policy: to crush Protestantism, and give  to  his realm a unified Catholic faith that would he thought, strengthen and facilitate his government. Now, for a fleeting season he was free to fight back against the Protestant forces, and to mould his chaotic realm into one faith and force. He decided for war. In May 1546 he mobilized his Spanish, Italian, German, and Lowland troops. When the Protestant princes asked the meaning of his moves, he answered that he intended to restore Germany to Imperial obedience. The Fuggers promised financial aid, and the Pope issued a bull excommunicating all who should resist Charles, and offering indulgences to all who should aid him.

Realising that not only their theology but their goods and persons were at stake, Elector John of Saxony, Philip of Hesse, the princes of Anhalt, the cities of Augsburg, Strasbourg, and Ulm mobilized all their forces, and put into the field 57,000 men. But when John and Philip marched south to challenge Charles, Ferdinand moved north and west to seize John’s duchy; appraised of this John hurried north to defend his duchy. He did it brilliantly; but meanwhile Philip’s troops began to desert for lack of pay, and the Protestant cities, lured by promises of fair play, sued for peace with Charles, who let them off with heavy fines that broke the backbone of their freedom. Charles was now as superior in arms as he was in diplomacy. Now Pope Paul III  began to fear too great a success for the Emperor; if no Protestant princes should survive to check the Imperial power, it would establish itself as supreme in northern as well as southern Italy, would surround or absorb the Papal States, and would irresistibly dominate the papacy. Suddenly Paul ordered the papal troops who were with Charles to leave him and return to Italy. They gladly obeyed. The Pope found himself heretically rejoicing over the victories of Elector John in Saxony.

But Charles was determined to bring the campaign to a decision. Marching north, he met the depleted forces of the Elector at Muhlberg, routed them completely(April 24, 1547) and took John captive. Ferdinand demanded the execution of the doughty prince; canny Charles agreed to commute the sentence to life imprisonment if Wittenberg would open its gates to him; it did, the capital of German Protestantism fell into Catholic hands while Luther slept peacefully under the slab in the Castle Church. No one seemed left to challenge the victorious Emperor. Henry VIII died on January 28, Francis I on March 31. Never since Charlemagne had the Imperial power been so great.

But the winds of fortune veered again. German princes, assembled in another Diet at Augsburg resisted the efforts of Charles to consolidate his military victory into a legal autocracy. Paul III accused him of conniving at the murder of Pierluigi Farnese, the Pope’s natural son; and Bavaria, ever loyal to the Church, turned against the Emperor. A Protestant majority re-formed among the princes, and wrung from Charles his temporary consent to clerical marriage, the double administration of the sacrament, and the Protestant retention of Church property (1548). The Pope fumed at the Emperor’s assumption of power to rule on such ecclesiastical matters, and Catholics murmured that Charles was more interested in extending his Empire and entrenching the Hapsburgs than in restoring the one true faith. Maurice, now Elector of Saxony at Wittenburg, found himself, Protestant and victorious, dangerously unpopular amid a population Protestant and conquered; his treachery had poisoned the power it had won. Secretly Maurice joined the Protestant princes in the Treaty of Chambord, by which Henry II of France promised aid in expelling Charles from Germany. While Henry invaded Lorraine and seized Metz, Toul, and Verdun, Maurice and his Protestant allies marched south with 30,000 men. Charles, resting on his laurels at Innsbruck, had carelessly disbanded his troops; he had now no defence but diplomacy, and even at that shifty game, Maurice proved his match. Ferdinand proposed an armistice; Maurice prolonged the negotiations meanwhile advancing on Innsbruck. On May 9, Charles moved painfully, by litter, through rain and snow, and night, over the Brenner Pass to Villach in Carinthia. One throw of fortune’s dice had transformed the master of Europe into a gouty fugitive shivering in the Alps.

Arms and circumstances now so favoured the Protestants that they demanded everything; they were to be free in the practice of their faith in all Germany; Catholic worship was to be forbidden in Lutheran territory; present and future confiscations of Church property were to be held valid and irrevocable. Ferdinand and Augustus worked out a compromise that in four famous words -- Cuius regio eius religio --embodied the spiritual infirmity of the nation and the age. In order to permit peace among and within the states each prince was to choose between Roman Catholicism and Lutheranism. All his subjects were to accept “his religion whose realm it was”; and those who did not like it were to emigrate. There was no pretence on either side to toleration; the principle which the Reformation had upheld in the youth of its rebellion, the right of private judgment, was as completely rejected by the Protestant leaders as by the Catholics. The princes banished dissenters instead of burning them-- a rite reserved for witches; and the resultant multiplication of infallibilities weakened them all. The real victor was not freedom of worship but the freedom of the princes. Each became, like Henry VIII of England, the supreme head of the Church in his territory, with the  exclusive right to appoint the clergy and the men who should define the obligatory faith. In effect the Holy Roman Empire died, not in 1806 but in 1555.

The German cities, like the Empire, lost in the triumph of the princes. The growing vigour of Holland absorbed most of the trade that poured German products into the North Sea through the mouths of the Rhine. Not for two centuries to come would the German towns show again the vitality of trade and thought that had preceded and supported the Reformation.


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« Reply #2106 on: December 16, 2013, 07:53:09 PM »
                                               JOHN CALVIN  1509 - 64

John ( Jean) was born in Noyon, France, July 10 1509. His father Gerard Chauvin, was secretary to the bishop. Jean’s mother died while he was still young; the father married again, and perhaps Calvin owed to stern step-rearing part of his sombre spirit. Gerard himself was excommunicated after a financial dispute with the cathedral chapter, and had some trouble getting buried in holy ground. Jean was sent to the College de la Marche at the university of Paris. In the hot pursuit of esoteric knowledge or fascinating theory he read far into the night. Having taken his degree as Licentiate or Bachelor of Laws (1531), he returned to Paris and entered upon a voracious study of classical literature. Feeling the common urge to see himself in print, he published a Latin essay on Seneca’s “De Clementia.” The sternest of religious legislators began his career with a salute to mercy. He sent a copy to Erasmus, hailing him as the “second glory” ( after Cicero) and “first delight of letters.” He seemed dedicated to humanism when some sermons of Luther reached him and stirred him with their audacity.

Among Calvin’s friends was Nicholas Cop, chosen rector of the university. Calvin probably had a hand in preparing Cop’s fateful inaugural address ( November 1, 1533 )  It began with a Erasmian plea for a purified Christianity, proceeded to a Lutheran theory of salvation through faith and grace, and ended with an appeal for a tolerant hearing of the new religious ideas. The speech created a furore; the Sorbonne erupted in anger; the ‘parlement’ began proceedings against Cop for heresy. He fled, a reward of 300 crowns was offered for his capture alive or dead, but he managed to reach Basel, which was now Protestant.

Calvin was warned by friends that he and Roussel were scheduled for arrest. He left Paris and found refuge in Angouleme, and there, probably in the rich library of Louis de Tillet, he began to write his ‘Institutes’. He returned clandestinely to Paris, talked with Protestant leaders, and met Servetus, whom he was later to burn. When extremists posted some abusive placards at various points in Paris, Francis I retaliated with a furious persecution. Calvin fled just in time and joined Cop in Basel. There, a lad of just twenty-six, he completed the most eloquent, fervent, lucid, logical, influential, and terrible work in all the literature of the religious revolution.

The book was soon sold out, and a new edition invited. Calvin responded with a much enlarged version ( 1539), again in Latin; in 1541 he translated this into French, and this form of the work is one of the most impressive productions in the gamut of French prose. Calvin hoped to reinforce political expediency with theological arguments, and help incline the king, like his sister, towards the Protestant cause. He was anxious to dissociate this from the Anabaptist movement then verging on communism in Munster. He described the French reformers as patriots, devoted to the king and averse from all economic or political disturbance.

It is difficult for us, in an age when theology has given place to politics as the centre of human interest and conflict, to recapture the mood in which Calvin composed the ‘Institutes’ . He, much more than Spinoza, was a God intoxicated man. He was overwhelmed by a sense of man’s littleness and God’s immensity. How absurd it would be to suppose that the frail reason of so infinitesimal a mite as man could understand the Mind behind these innumerable, obedient stars? In pity of man’s reason God has revealed Himself to us in the Bible. That this Holy Book is His Word (says Calvin) is proved by the unrivalled impression that it makes on the human spirit.

Consequently this revealed Word must be our final authority, not only in religion and morals but in history, politics, everything. We must accept the story of Adam and Eve; for by their disobedience to God we explain man’s evil  nature and his loss of free will. How could so depraved a being ever deserve eternal happiness in paradise?  Not one of us could ever earn it by any amount of good works. Good works are good, but only the sacrificial death of the Son of God could avail to earn salvation for men. But His mercy has chosen some of us to be saved; and to these he has given an upholding faith in their redemption by Christ. To the question why God should chose men for salvation or damnation without merits, Calvin answers again in the words of Paul: “for He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.”

Calvin admits that predestination is repulsive to reason, but he replies, “It is unreasonable that man should scrutinize with impunity those things which the Lord has determined to be hidden in Himself. Yet he professes to know why God so arbitrarily determines the eternal fate of billions of souls: it is “to promote our admiration of His glory” by the display of His power. He agrees that this is “a horrible decree” (decretum horrible) “but no one can deny that God  foreknew the future final fate of man before He created him, and that He foreknew it because it was appointed by His own decree.” Others might argue, like Luther, that the future is determined because God has foreseen it and His foresight cannot be falsified; Calvin reverses the matter, and considers that God foresees the future because He has willed and determined it. And the decree of damnation is absolute; there is no purgatory in Calvin’s theology, no half way house where one might, by a few million years of burning, wipe out his “reprobation.” And therefore there is no room for prayers for the dead.

We might suppose that on Calvin’s assumptions there would be no sense in any kind of prayer; all being fixed by divine decree, not an ocean of orisons could wash away one jot of the inexorable destiny. However, Calvin is more human than his theology: let us pray with humility and faith, he tells us, and our prayers will be answered; the prayer and the answer were also decreed. Let us worship God in humble religious services, but we must reject the Mass as a sacrilegious pretence of priests to transform earthly materials into the body and blood of Christ. Christ is present in the Eucharist only spiritually, not physically, and the adoration of the consecrated wafer as literally Christ is sheer idolatry. All religious pictures and statuary, even the crucifix, should be removed from the churches. The ideal government will be a theocracy, and the Reformed Church should be recognised as the voice of God. All the claims of the popes for the supremacy of the Church over the State were renewed by Calvin for his Church. It is remarkable how much of Roman Catholic tradition and theory survived in Calvin's theology. In Calvinism the Reformation again repudiated the   Renaissance.

That so unprepossessing a theology should have won the assent of hundreds of millions of men in Switzerland, France, Scotland, England, and North America, is at first sight a mystery, then an illumination. Why should Calvinists, Huguenots, and Puritans have fought so valiantly in defence of their own helplessness? And why has  this theory of human impotence shared in producing some of the strongest characters in history? Is it because these believers gained more strength from believing themselves the elect than they lost by admitting that their conduct contributed nothing to their fate? Calvin himself, at once shy and resolute, was confident that he belonged to the elect, and this so comforted him that he found the “ horrible decree” of predestination “ productive of the most delightful benefit.” The belief that they were chosen of God gave many souls the courage to face the vicissitudes and apparent aimlessness of life, as a similar faith enabled the Jewish people to preserve itself amid difficulties that might otherwise have sapped the will to live.

The confidence in divine election must have been a tower of courage to Huguenots suffering war and massacre, and to Pilgrims uprooting themselves perilously to seek new homes on hostile shores.  Calvin enhanced this feeling of pride in election by making the elect, penniless or not, an heredity aristocracy; the children of the elect were automatically elect by the will of God. So, by a simple act of faith in one’s self, one could possess and transmit paradise. For such immortal boons a confession of helplessness was a bargain price. For the poor or unfortunate, who cover the earth, it may have been an indispensable belief.

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2107 on: December 16, 2013, 10:11:23 PM »
So where is Calvin's influence today? In the dust bin of history where it belongs. All those lunatics who promoted 'Serial killer god' of the bible, have gone the way of the dodo bird. Good riddance.

All these men we have been reading about are megalomanics, who despise humanity. They see themselves as special and everyone else as fodder. I don't believe they ever had the influence Durant bestows on them. They certainly don't have it today, and haven't for a long time.

The churches in Europe are empty except for a few old women who use it as a 'social' place to gather. The same here in the U.S. The church attendees are a minority, not the majority.

Emma

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2108 on: December 16, 2013, 11:01:21 PM »
Included in Trevor's latest postings, Suleiman is again on the march, preparing to attack Vienna. When Suleiman had his son murdered (while he watched) by his 'eunuchs', I was curious about where this evil originated. I was not surprised that the middle east had the first reports on 'eunuchs'. It seems to be an Eastern invention and was most popular there.

Here is an excerpt from Wiki on the eunuch by the Ottomans....

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Ottoman Empire

Chief Eunuch of Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II at the Imperial Palace, 1912. In the Ottoman Empire, eunuchs were typically slaves imported from outside their domains. A fair proportion of male slaves were imported as eunuchs.

The Ottoman court harem—within the Topkapı Palace (1465–1853) and later the Dolmabahçe Palace (1853–1909) in Istanbul—was under the administration of the eunuchs. These were of two categories: Black Eunuchs and White Eunuchs. Black Eunuchs were Africans who served the concubines and officials in the Harem together with chamber maidens of low rank. The White Eunuchs were Europeans from the Balkans. They served the recruits at the Palace School and were from 1582 prohibited from entering the Harem.

An important figure in the Ottoman court was the Chief Black Eunuch (Kızlar Ağası or Dar al-Saada Ağası). In control of the Harem and a perfect net of spies in the Black Eunuchs, the Chief Eunuch was involved in almost every palace intrigue and could thereby gain power over either the sultan or one of his viziers, ministers or other court officials. One of the most powerful Chief Eunuchs was Beshir Agha who played a crucial role in establishing the Ottoman version of Hanafi Islam throughout the Empire by founding libraries and schools.

The eunuchs in the Ottoman Empire were created mainly at one Coptic monastery, at Abou Gerbe monastery on Mount Ghebel Eter. The Coptic priests sliced the penis and testicles off Nubian or Abyssinian slave boys around the age of eight. The boys were captured from Abyssinia and other areas in Sudan like Darfur and Kordofan, then brought into Sudan and Egypt.

During the operation, the Coptic clergyman chained the boys to tables and after slicing off their sexual organs, stuck a piece of bamboo into the genital area, then submerged them in neck-high sand to burn. The recovery rate was ten percent. The resulting eunuchs fetched large profits in contrast to eunuchs from other areas

I watched last night on the news, the choice of the new 'Pope' for the Eastern Orthodox church. They had a small boy come up and select one of three balls in a large glass jar. The one he selected became the new 'Pope'.

I thought of the boys who had been mutilated by these same people not that long ago. The last 'eunuch' of the Chinese Imperial palace died in 1996.

Why was this practice mainly confined to the East? Why was the West different? Why didn't we practice this evil? What about all the other millions in the world who never practiced genital mutilation? The American Indian took enemies as slaves, but I never read of them cutting off genitals to make 'eunuchs'.

Emma

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« Reply #2109 on: December 17, 2013, 04:03:29 PM »
Brutality is not confined to one area of the globe or one people. We are about to read of the brutalities in Europe.

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« Reply #2110 on: December 17, 2013, 11:08:01 PM »
An excerpt on the treatment of women in the harem of Topkapi palace...........

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The harem at Topkapi 
 
Tragedy frequently struck the harem. The women were often too young to die, but there were some cases, like the tasters. These girls, who had been educated in the harem schools under a mistress to be a taster for a kadin or a sultana, tasted every drink, snack, meal, or anything else the woman they served would eat to make sure there was no poison. They took pride in their self-sacrifice and had much dignity. Sometimes a taster would die from poison, foaming and writhing on the floors. They were taken to the Mistress of the Maladies, but nobody would ever hear of her fate. If the girl did survive most of the time her liver or another organ would be destroyed and she would be of no service so she was sent home. However, there were many deaths, which was very ominous and left many feeling unsafe in their golden cage.

There was one devastating tragedy under Padishah Ibrahim I (1615-1648). When her heard rumors from his lover, Sechir Para (Sugar Cube), that one of his concubines was sporting with a man outside of the palace, he raged for days and had his chief eunuch torture a few of the harem girls to discover the identity of the mysterious girl. None of them spoke and so Ibrahim tied up every single one of his 280 harem women to weighted sacks and had them thrown into the Bosporus River in Istanbul.

Only one girl survived (other than the sultana, kadins, and Sechir Para, who were spared) because her sack was not sufficiently tied and she was saved by a French ship. The Valide Sultana became jealous of Sechir Para's power after the drownings and had Sechir Para strangled. Ibrahim was told that she had died of a mysterious illness.
 
The harem moved with the entire court and household twice a year, they would live at Topkapi normally during the fall and winter.  Sometimes the harem would stay in Topkapi the year round, like when the padishah, Ahmed III, was constructing his palace Sadabad on the Sweet Waters of Asia, the inlet of the Istanbul harbor where two streams met with the Golden Horn.
 
When a padishah died, his entire harem was moved into the infamous Palace of Tears. Originally built as one of the Padishah's Istanbul houses, the palace was given to the women of the harem that was discarded to make way for the new padishah's harem. This was a sad and lonesome place. No man ever entered the building, nor were there many visitors. The women were forbidden to leave and spent the rest of their lives in the dark and morbid atmosphere. Even the Valide Sultana, once a very powerful woman, was now discarded to make way for the new woman to take her position. The women spent the rest of their days here, a sad end to an imprisoned life. 
 
The end of the harem at Topkapi came in the 19th century when the padishahs decided to move into the Yildiz Palace. About 100 years later, the Ottoman Empire fell after World War I and the Republic of Turkey was established. The President, Kemal Ataturk, brought sweeping changes, including forbidding men to marry more than once and forbidding women to be kept imprisoned in their homes and being protected by veils. The days of the harems had died. All the women, including those in the Palace of Tears, were let free, back to the lives they had before they entered the harem. They found this hard, as their lifestyle was that of the harem. Most returned to their villages hoping to find their families. Others began new lives. Today the harem in Topkapi is empty, besides tourists who flock every year to the palace, the #1 destination in Istanbul.

Emma 
 

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2111 on: December 22, 2013, 09:33:00 PM »
The DURANT'S  S  o  C
Vol. VI  The  REFORMATION
Pgs.   467 - 470



                          GENEVA  AND  STRASBOURG : 1536 - 1541

Geneva the capital of French Switzerland was older than history. In prehistoric times it was a congeries of lake dwellings, built upon piles, some of which can still be seen. In Caesar's day it was a busy crossing of trade routes at the bridge where the Rhone rushes out of Lake Leman to wonder through France in search of the Mediterranean. In the Middle Ages Geneva fell under the secular as well as spiritual rule of its bishop. In the fifteenth century the Dukes of Savoy, which lay just beyond the Alps, secured control of the chapter, and raised to the episcopate men subservient to Savoy, and given to the pleasures of  this world for fear there might not be a next. The once excellent Episcopal government, and the morals of the clergy under it, deteriorated. A priest bidden to dismiss his concubine, agreed to do so as soon as his fellow clergymen would be equally ungallant; gallantry prevailed.

With this ecclesiastical-ducal rule the leading families of Geneva organised a Council of Sixty for municipal ordinances.  Usually the Council met in the bishop’s  cathedral of St. Peter; and religious and civil jurisdiction were so mingled that while the bishop minted the coinage and led the army, the Council regulated morals, issued excommunications, and licensed prostitutes. As in Trier, Mainz, and Cologne, the bishop was also a prince of the Holy Roman Empire, and assumed functions from which the bishops are now free.  To strengthen this movement some Patriotes effected an alliance with Catholic Fribourg and Protestant Bern. Adherents of the alliance were called by the German term for confederates -- Eidgenossen, oath comrades; the French corrupted this into Huguenots. By 1520 the Genovese leaders were mostly businessmen, for Geneva, unlike Wittenberg, was a commercial city, mediating in trade between Switzerland in the north, Italy in the south, and France in the west. The Genovese burghers set up ( 1526 ) a small council of  twenty-five, which became the  real ruler of the municipality. The bishop declared the city in rebellion, and summoned ducal troops to his aid. These seized Bonnivard, and imprisoned him in the Castle of Chillon. The Bernese army came to the aid of the beleaguered Geneva; the dukes forces were defeated and dispersed; the bishop fled to Annecy; Byron’s hero was freed from his dungeon. The Great Council, angered by the clergy’s support of Savoy, declared for the Reformed faith, and assumed ecclesiastical as well as civil jurisdiction throughout the city ( 1536 ), two months before Calvin arrived.

The doctrinal hero of this revolution was William Farel. Like Luther, he was passionately pious in youth. At Paris he came under the influence of Jacques Lefevre d’Etaples, whose translation and explanation of the Bible upset Farel’s orthodoxy; for in the Scriptures he could find no trace of popes, bishops, indulgences, purgatory, seven sacraments, the Mass, the celibacy of the clergy, the worship of Mary, or the saints. Distaining ordination, he set out as an independent preacher, wandering from town to town in France and Switzerland. In 1532, he began to preach in Geneva. He was arrested by the bishop’s agents, who proposed to throw the “Lutheran dog” into the Rhone; the syndics intervened, and Farel escaped with a few bruises on his head. He won the council of Twenty-Five to his views. He aroused so much popular support that nearly all the Catholic clergy departed. On May 21 1536, the Small Council decreed the abolition of the Mass, and the removal of all images and relics from the Churches. Ecclesiastical properties were converted to Protestant uses for religion, charity, and education; education was made compulsory, and free of charge; and a strict moral discipline was  made law. The citizens were called upon to swear allegiance to the Gospel, and those who refused to attend Reformed services were banished. This was the Geneva to which Calvin came.

Calvin and Farel, sincerely accepting the Bible as the literal Word of God, felt an obligation to enforce its moral code. They were shocked to find many of the people given to singing, dancing and similar gaieties; moreover, some  gambled, or drank to intoxication, or committed adultery. An entire district of the city was occupied by prostitutes, under the rule of their own ‘Reine du Bordel,’ the ‘Brothel Queen.’ The Council ordered all citizens to go to the church of St. Peter and swear allegiance to Farel’s Confession. Any  manifestation of Catholicism -- such as carrying a rosary, or observing a saint’s day as holy, was subject to punishment. Women were imprisoned for wearing improper hats. Bonivard, too joyous in his liberty, was warned to end his licentious ways. Gamblers were put into stocks. Adulterers were driven through the streets into banishment.

The Patriotes, who had freed the city from bishop and duke, reorganised to free it  from its zealous ministers. Capturing a majority in the Great Council they told the two ministers to keep out of politics, and deposed the two and ordered them to leave the city within three days. The people celebrated the dismissal with public rejoicings. Farel accepted a call to Neuchatel; there  he preached to the end of his days (1565), and there a public monument honours his memory.

Calvin went to Strasbourg, and ministered to a congregation of Protestants, chiefly from France. To eke out the fifty-two guilders annually paid him by the church, he sold his library and took students as borders. Finding bachelorhood inconvenient in this situation, he asked Farel to search out a wife for him, and listed  specifications “ I am none of these insane lovers who, when once smitten with a fine figure of a woman, embrace also her faults. This only is the beauty that allures me -- that she be chaste, obliging, not fastidious, economical, patient, and careful for my health.” After two false starts he married (1540) Idelette de Bure, a poor woman with several children. She bore him one child, who died in infancy. When she passed away (1549) he wrote to her with the private tenderness that underlay his public severity. He lived in domestic loneliness the remaining fifteen years of his life. 


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« Reply #2112 on: December 23, 2013, 03:56:52 PM »
I wish I'd known this history when I was in Geneva.

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« Reply #2113 on: December 23, 2013, 11:24:49 PM »
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The Patriotes, who had freed the city from bishop and duke, reorganised to free it  from its zealous ministers.

Capturing a majority in the Great Council they told the two ministers to keep out of politics, and deposed the two and ordered them to leave the city within three days. The people celebrated the dismissal with public rejoicings

I rejoice along with the people. After reading about the lunatics who reject one form of occultism with another it is refreshing to read about a show of intelligence for a change.

I salute my friends Eduard and Maria who hail from Geneva and explained the government of Switzerland which encompasses the three different canons, the French, German, and Italian sections who all form Switzerland as we know it today.

I always intended to go to Geneva, but life got in the way. I wanted to see Maria's ancestral home with walls three feet thick. It had been in the family for all their memory and probably beyond. 

Eduoard served in the Swiss army as did all young men who were able. They stored their ammo and guns in caves, and when called they reported for duty and served their time. The Swiss were neutral in the wars that engulfed Europe during his service, but they still had to report for duty when they reached a certain age.

Joan please tell us about your time in Geneva, and your impressions.

Emily


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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2114 on: December 24, 2013, 01:57:40 PM »
I was only there for a few days but I took a tour of the city and was very impressed with it. My impressions were of an attractive, super clean, well run city. It's amazing to hear of all this turmoil: the opposite of the staid impression the city gives today.

I did fall off a bus while I was there! I ran for a bus, and jumped on a little platform it had to mount. The driver didn't see me. and started, which caused the platform to snap up , pinning my leg in the door and knocking me to the ground. If the bus had started to move, I could have been killed. But the passengers all screamed at the driver, and he released me. Stupid me, I jumped back on the bus and continued to where I was going. But the next day, I felt terrible. I went to a doctor, and was told it was shock -- I should have rested after the accident.

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2115 on: December 27, 2013, 09:22:19 PM »
Joan, what a scary experience with the bus. I commend you for your courage to get on that bus again, I'm sure I would have backed away.

Happy New Year to everyone! 2014 can you believe it?

In 1950 I was a student and could not comprehend the year 2000. Time seemed to be moving so slow, then in the blink of an eye, I woke up one day and it was Jan. 1, 2000. Fourteen years has passed since then and time seems to be speeding by at an alarming rate.

Emily

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Re: Story of Civilization ~ Will & Ariel Durant
« Reply #2116 on: December 29, 2013, 08:43:35 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  The REFORMATION
Pgs.  472  -  476



                                       CALVIN IN GENEVA 

After many requests, Calvin left  Strasbourg and returned to Geneva. He laboured twelve to eighteen hours a day as preacher, administrator, professor of theology, superintendent of churches and schools, adviser to councils, and regulator of public morals. His first task was the reorganization of the Reformed Church. The Small Council, soon after his return, appointed a commission of five clergymen and six councillors, with Calvin at their head, to formulate a new ecclesiastical code. On 2 January 1542, the great council ratified the resultant “Ordinances ecclesiastiques,” whose essential features are still accepted by the Reformed and Presbyterian Churches of  Europe and America. The new clergy, while never claiming the miraculous powers of the Catholic priests, became under Calvin more powerful than any priesthood since ancient Israel. The practical men in the councils may have had some doubts, but they appear to have felt that social order was so profitable to the economy that some ecclesiastical assumptions might for the time being, go unchallenged. Through an astonishing quarter of a century a theocracy of clergymen seemed to dominate an oligarchy of merchants and men of affairs. Calvin held power as the head of this Presbytery; from 1541 till his death in 1564 his voice was the most influential  in Geneva. Hildebrand, revived, could have rejoiced over this apparent triumph of the Church over the State. Calvin was as thorough as any pope in rejecting individualism of belief; this greatest legislator of Protestantism completely repudiated that principle of  private judgement with which the new religion had begun.

Under Calvin, persistent absence from Protestant services, or continued refusal to take the Eucharist, was a punishable offense. Heresy again became an insult to God and treason to the state, and was punished with death. Catholicism, which had preached this view of heresy, became heresy in its turn. Between 1542 and 1546 fifty-eight persons were put to death, and seventy six were banished, for violating the new code. Here, as elsewhere,  witchcraft was a capital crime; in one year fourteen alleged witches were sent to the stake on the charge that they had persuaded Satan to afflict Geneva with plague.

To regulate lay conduct a system of domiciliary visits was established: one or another of the elders visited, each house in the quarter assigned to him, and questioned the occupants on all phases of their lives. Consistory and Council joined in the prohibiting of gambling, card playing, profanity, drunkenness, the frequenting of taverns, dancing, indecent or irreligious songs, excess in entertainment, extravagance in living, immodesty in dress. The allowable colour and quantity of clothing, and number of dishes permissible at a meal, were specified by law. Jewellery or lace were frowned upon. A woman was jailed for  arranging her hair to an immoral height. Children were to be named not after saints in the Catholic calendar but preferably after Old Testament characters. Books of erroneous religious doctrine, or of immoral tendency were banned. Fornication was to be punished with exile or drowning; adultery, blasphemy, or idolatry, with death. In one extraordinary instance a child was beheaded for striking his parents. Between 1542 and 1546 there were seventy-six banishments and fifty-eight executions; the total population of Geneva was then about 20,000. As everywhere in the sixteenth century, torture was often used to obtain confessions or avoidance.

Regulation was extended to education, society, and the economic life. Calvin established schools and an academy, searched through Western Europe for good teachers in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and theology, and trained young ministers who carried his gospel into France, Holland, Scotland, and England with all the ardour and devotion of Jesuit missionaries in Asia; in eleven years 1555- 1566 Geneva sent such envoys to France, many of whom sang Huguenot psalms as they suffered  martyrdom. C alvin considered class divisions natural, and his legislation protected rank and dignity by prescribing the quality of dress, and the limits of activity for each class. Every person was expected to accept his place in society, and perform its duties without envy of his betters or complaint about his lot.

Calvin gave to hard work, sobriety, diligence, frugality, and thrift a religious sanction and laurel they may have shared in developing the industrious temper of the modern Protestant businessman; but this relationship has been overstressed. He had no sympathy with acquisitive speculation or ruthless accumulation. Like some late-medieval Catholic theorists, he permitted interest on loans, but in theory he limited it to 5%, and urged loans without interest to necessitous  individuals or the state. With his approval the Consistory punished engrossers, monopolists, and lenders who charged excessive rates; it fixed prices for food and clothes and surgical operations; It censured or fined merchants who defrauded their clients, dealers who skimped their measures. Sometimes the regime moved towards state socialism: the Venerable Company established a bank, and conducted some industries.

Calvin could not long have kept his leadership had he obstructed the commercial development of a city whose commerce was its life. He adjusted to the situation, allowed interest rates of 10% and recommended state loans to finance the introduction or expansion of private industry, as in the manufacture or production of silk. Antwerp, Amsterdam, and London took readily to the first modern religion that accepted the modern economy. Calvinism took the middle class into its fold, and grew with their growth.

What were the results of Calvin's rule? The difficulties of enforcement must have been extreme, for never in history had such strict virtue been required of a city. A considerable  party opposed the regimen, even to the point of open revolt, but a  substantial number of influential citizens must have supported it, if only on the general theory of morals -- that others need them. The influx of French Huguenots and other Protestants must have strengthened Calvin's hand; and the limitation to Geneva and its hinterland raised the chances of success. The recurrent fear of invasion and absorption by hostile states compelled political stability and civic obedience; external danger promoted internal discipline. Bernardino Ochino, an Italian Protestant, wrote of Geneva:-    “Cursing and swearing, unchastity, sacrilege, adultery, and impure living, such as prevail in many places where I have lived, are here unknown. There are no pimps and harlots. Benevolence is so great that the poor need not beg ......” 
The extant records of the council for this period do not quite agree with Bernardino: they reveal a high percentage of illegitimate children, abandoned infants, forced marriages, and sentences of death. Calvin’s son-in-law and his stepdaughter were among many condemned for adultery. But then again, many others praised Geneva under Calvin’s rule.

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« Reply #2117 on: December 31, 2013, 04:22:13 PM »
Goodness. I had no idea. That fits the staid, ordered impression I had of Geneva.

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« Reply #2118 on: January 05, 2014, 08:05:39 PM »
                                       THE CONFLICTS OF CALVIN.
Calvin’s character harmonized with his theology. The oil painting in the University Library at Geneva pictures him as a severe and sombre mystic; dark but bloodless complexion, scanty beard, high forehead, penetrating ruthless eyes. He was short and thin and physically frail, hardly fit to carry a city in his hands. But behind the weak frame burned a mind, sharp, narrow, devoted  and intense, and a firm, indomitable will, perhaps a will to power. His memory was crowded and yet precise. He was ahead of his time in doubting astrology, abreast of it in rejecting Copernicus, a bit behind it ( like Luther) in ascribing many terrestrial occurrences to the Devil. He was painfully sensitive to criticism. Racked with illness, bent with work, he often lost his temper. His virtues did not include humour, which might have softened his certainties, nor a sense of beauty which might have spared ecclesiastical art. Yet he was no kill-joy; he bade his followers be cheerful, play harmless games like bowling or quoits, and enjoy wine in moderation. He could be a kind and tender friend, and an unforgiving enemy, capable of hard judgments  and stern revenge. Sexually, he showed no fault. He lived simply, ate sparingly, fasted unostentatiously, slept only six hours a day, never took a holiday, used himself up without stint in what he thought  was the service of God. He refused increases in salary, but laboured to raise funds for the poor. “The strength of that heretic,” said Pope Pius IV, “consisted in this, that money never had the slightest charm for him. If I had such servants, my dominion would extend from sea to sea.”

A man of such mettle must raise many enemies. He described his opponents as riffraff, idiots, dogs, asses, pigs, and stinking beasts -- epithets less becoming to his elegant Latinity than to Luther’s gladiatorial style. Calvin’s controversy with Joachim Westphal was more important. This Lutheran minister of Hamburg denounced as “Satanic blasphemies” the view of Zwingli and Calvin that Christ was only spiritually present in the Eucharist, and thought  the Swiss Reformers should be refuted not by the pens of theologians, but by the rods of  magistrates. Calvin answered him in terms so severe that his fellow Reformers at Zurich, Basel, and Bern refused to sign his remonstrance. He issued it nevertheless. Westphal and other Lutherans returned to the attack. Calvin branded them as “apes of Luther” and argued so effectively, that several regions hitherto Lutheran-- were won to the Swiss view and the Reformed Church.

Turning from these assaults on the right, Calvin faced on the left a group of radicals recently arrived in Switzerland from Counter Reformation Italy. Caelius Secundas Curio teaching in Lausanne and Basel, shocked  Calvin by announcing that the saved -- including many heathen-- would far outnumber the damned. Laelius Socinus, settled in Zurich, studied Greek, Arabic, and Hebrew in order to understand the Bible better, learned too much, and lost his faith in the Trinity, predestination, original sin, and the atonement. He expressed his scepticism to Calvin, who answered as well as possible. Socinus agreed to refrain from public utterance of his doubts; but later he spoke out against the execution of Servetus, and was among the few who, in that fevered age, stood up for religious toleration.

Jacques Gruet, was arrested on suspicion of having written a placard, critical of Calvin. In his room were found papers, allegedly in his handwriting, calling Calvin a haughty and ambitious hypocrite, and ridiculing the inspiration of the Scriptures and the immortality of the soul. He was tortured twice daily for thirty days until he confessed-- we do not know how truthfully-- that he had written the attack on Calvin. On July 26th half dead, he was tied to a stake, his feet were nailed to it, and his head was cut off.

Tension mounted until, on December 16, 1547, the Patriotes and Libertins came armed to a meeting of the Great Council, and demanded an end to the power of the    Consistory over the citizens. At the height of a violent tumult Calvin entered the room, faced the hostile leaders and said, striking his breast; “If you want blood there are still a few drops here; strike then!” Swords were drawn, but no one ventured to be the first assassin. Calvin addressed the gathering with rare moderation, and finally persuaded all parties to a truce. “I hardly hope that the church can be upheld much longer, at least by my ministry. Believe me, my power is broken.”

But the opposition now divided into factions and subsided till the trial of Servetus offered another opportunity.



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« Reply #2119 on: January 06, 2014, 03:05:30 PM »
In the Classical music discussion on Seniors and friends, someone posted a link to a BBC program about the life of Bach, which talks about Luther's influence on Bach and on church music in general. Luther apparently was a firm believer in music as bringing to life the teachings of the Bible, and took many popular songs familiar to audiences of the day (including bawdy ones) and set religious words to them so congregations could "belt them out".

I knew he was credited with writing some of the hymns still used today, and wondered about it. The program said he was a great influence on Bach, but didn't say whether spiritually or musically. Bach sang in the same church as a child where Luther had been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQbppQq54E&app=desktop