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« Reply #2280 on: September 21, 2014, 10:41:39 PM »

"I want to know what were the steps by which
man passed from barbarism to civilization (Voltaire)"

 



What are our origins?
Where are we now?
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  Volume VI THE REFORMATION
       
"Four elements constitute Civilization -- economic provision, political organization, moral traditions, and the pursuit of knowledge and the arts. "
  
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« Reply #2281 on: September 21, 2014, 10:42:50 PM »
Trevor, thank you for all of your work facilitating this discussion! I've bumped  your posts to 300 to see if that will make the automatic numbering kick in. If that doesn't work next time you post a message here, if you only post in this discussion try posting in another discussion to see if that will increase the number. If so, we'll know that the problem is somehow in this discussion.

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« Reply #2282 on: September 22, 2014, 05:50:01 PM »
DURANTS'   S  o  C
Vol. VI  The Reformation
Pgs. 607 - 608
 


                           JOHN KNOX:   1505 - 1559 

The propaganda of reform was already a hundred years old in Scotland. In 1433 Paul Crawar was accused of importing the doctrines of Wyclif and Huss; he was convicted by the Church and burned by the state. In 1494 thirty “Lollards of Kyle” were summoned before the Bishop of Glasgow on charges of repudiating religious relics and images, auricular confession, priestly ordination and powers, transubstantiation, purgatory, indulgences, Masses for the dead, clerical celibacy, and papal authority; here was almost a summary of the reformation twenty-three years before Luther’s Theses. Apparently the accused men recanted.

Soon after 1523 the writings of Luther entered Scotland. A Scots translation of Wyclif’s New Testament circulated in manuscript, and a cry rose for a Christianity based exclusively on the Bible. Patrick Hamilton went to Paris and Louvain, studied Erasmus and Greek philosophy, returned to Scotland swelling with the new dogmas, preached justification by faith, was invited by James ( uncle of David) Beaton, then archbishop of St. Andrews, to come and explain himself, came, stood his ground, and was burned (1528).  Two other “ Professors” as the early Scottish reformers called themselves, were burned in 1534. Four men were hanged, and one woman drowned, in 1544; according to the not always reliable Knox, she went to her death with a sucking babe at her breast.

These murders had been too scattered in time and place to arouse any powerful reaction; but the hanging of George Wishart touched the souls of many, and was the first effective event of the Scottish Reformation. About 1543 Wishart translated the First Helvetic Confession; unfortunately this Protestant declaration ordered secular powers to punish heretics. From that time the Swiss forms of Protestantism -- at first humanely Zwinglian, then rigorously Calvinist -- more and more displaced Lutheranism in the Scottish movement. Wishart preached in Montrose and Dundee, bravely tended the sick in a plague, and expounded the new faith in Edinburgh at a time when David Beaton was holding a convocation of Scottish clergy there. The Cardinal had Wishart arrested and tried for heresy; he was convicted and burned.( 1546).

Among his converts was one of the most powerful and influential figures in history. John Knox was born between 1505 and 1515 near Haddington. His peasant parents destined him for the priesthood; he studied at Glasgow; was ordained (c,1532) and became known for his learning in both civil and canon law. His autobiographical ‘History’ says nothing of his youth, but suddenly introduces him (1546) as the ardent disciple and fearless bodyguard of George Wishart, bearing a heavy two handed sword. After Wishart's arrest Knox wandered from one hiding place to another; then, at Easter of 1547, in the Castle of St. Andrews, he joined the band that had killed Cardinal Beaton.

Feeling a need for religion, the hunted men asked Knox to be their preacher. He protested  his unfitness, consented, and they soon agreed that they had never heard such fiery preaching before. He called the Roman Church “The Synagogue of Satan,” and identified her with the awful beast described in the Apocalypse. He adopted the Lutheran doctrine that man is saved “only by faith that the blood of Jesus Christ purges us from all sins.”  In July a French fleet sailed up and bombarded the Castle. For four weeks the  besieged held out; finally they were overpowered, and for nineteen months Knox and others laboured as galley slaves. We have few details of their treatment, except that they were importuned to hear Mass, and Knox tells, stoutly refused.. Perhaps those bitter days, and the cut of the overseer’s lash, shared in sharpening Knox’s spirit to hatred and his tongue and pen to violence.

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« Reply #2283 on: September 22, 2014, 06:38:52 PM »
It looks like your number of posts is increasing, Trevor. The number showing in all of your old posts will have changed also. You may not have realized that when the number of posts increases, the SAME number appears in ALL of your posts.

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« Reply #2284 on: September 25, 2014, 10:50:00 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol.VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs.  608  -  610



                       JOHN  KNOX     (cont.)

When the captives were freed (February 1549) Knox took service as a protestant clergyman in England on a salary from the Somerset government. He preached every day of the week. We of today, who do not often enjoy sermons, can but faintly imagine the hunger that the sixteenth century felt for them. The parish priest left preaching to the bishops, who had left it to the friars, who were occasional. In Protestantism the preachers became journals of news and opinion; they told their congregation the events of the week or day; and religion was then so interwoven with life that nearly every occurrence touched the faith or its ministers. They denounced the vices and errors of their parishioners, and instructed their government as to its duties and faults. In 1551 Knox, preaching before Edward VI and Northumberland, asked how it was that the most pious princes had so often the most ungodly councillors. The Duke tried to silence him with a bishopric, but failed.

Mary Tudor was more dangerous, and after some cautious dallying Knox fled to Dieppe and Geneva ( 1554). Calvin recommended him to an English speaking congregation at Frankfurt, but his code and  countenance proved too severe for his hearers, and he was asked to leave. He returned to Geneva (1555), and we may judge the force of Calvin’s character from the influence he now exerted upon a personality as positive and powerful as his own. Knox described Geneva under Calvin as “the most perfect school of Christ that ever was on earth since the days of the Apostles.” Calvinism suited his temper because that faith was sure of itself, sure of being inspired by God, sure of its divine obligation to compel the individual in conduct and in creed, sure of its right to direct the state. All this sank into Knox’s spirit, and through him into Scottish history. Anticipating with horror the rule of Catholic Mary Stuart in Scotland, he asked Calvin and Bollinger whether a people might righteously refuse to obey “a magistrate who enforces idolatry and condemns true religion.” They would not commit themselves, but John Knox knew his own mind.

In the fall of 1555, now presumably fifty years old, he showed the tender side of a rough character by returning to Mary Tudor’s England, going to Berwick, and marrying Margaret Bowes because he loved her mother. Mrs Elizabeth Bowes had five sons, ten daughters, and a Catholic husband. She was won to Protestantism by Knox’s preaching; she confided her domestic troubles to him; he found pleasure in advising her, and comfort in her friendship, and apparently the relationship remained spiritual to the end. When Margaret married Knox, Mrs Bowes left her husband and went to live with her daughter and her confessor. The wife died after five years of  marriage. Knox married again, but Mrs Bowes remained with him. Rarely in history has a mother-in-law been so loving and loved.

The strange trio went to Scotland where Mary of Lorraine still found tolerance useful in winning the support of the Protestant faction in the nobility. He praised the Regent as “a princess honourable, endowed with wisdom and graces singularly.” He organized Protestant congregations in Edinburgh and elsewhere, and made such influential converts as William Maitland, laird of Lethington, and Mary Stuart’s illegitimate brother, James Stuart, destined to be regent as Earl of Murray or Moray. An Ecclesiastical court, disliking this development, summoned Knox to give an account of his doings. He chose discretion, and slipped out of Scotland with his wife and her mother ( July 1556). In his absence the ecclesiastical court burned him in effigy. This painless martyrdom ennobled him in the eyes of the Scottish Protestants, and from that moment, wherever he was, he was accepted as leader of the Scottish Reform.

In Geneva, as pastor of an English congregation, he developed the full Calvinist program of ministerial supervision over the morals and manners of his parishioners. At the same time he invited Mrs Anne Locke, whom he had converted in London, to leave her husband and come with her daughter to live near him in Geneva. Over the opposition of her head, Mrs Locke left London and arrived in Geneva ( 1557) with a son, a daughter, and a maid. The daughter died a few days later, but Mrs. Locke remained near Knox, and helped the aging and now less comforting Mrs. Bowes to minister to the preacher’s needs. We have no evidence of sexual relations, and we hear no complaints from Mrs. Knox; we hardly hear of her at all. The old home-breaker would be mothered, and had his way in Christ’s name.



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« Reply #2285 on: September 26, 2014, 04:32:38 PM »
Strange home life.

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« Reply #2286 on: October 04, 2014, 11:46:56 PM »
DURANTS'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 610  -  613

                                               KNOX  (cont.)

He had his way in almost everything. Like so many great men, he was physically small, but his broad shoulders warned of strength, and his stern visage announced certitude and demanded authority. A man of fanatical energy, who  liked to preach two or three times a week for two or three hours at a time, and in addition, governed public affairs, and private lives -- no wonder that in “twenty-four hours I have not four free to natural rest.” His courage was tempered with timely timidity; he had the good sense to flee  from imminent death; he was accused of urging Protestants to perilous revolution in England and Scotland while remaining at Geneva or Dieppe; yet he faced a hundred dangers and denounced the corrupt Northumberland to his face, and would later proclaim democracy to a queen. No money could buy him. He thought or claimed that his voice was the voice of God.

The Calvinist creed was one source of his strength. God had divided all men into the elect and the damned; Knox and his supporters were of the former group, and were therefore divinely destined to victory; their opponents were reprobates, and sooner or later hell would be their home. For such God-damned opponents no Christian love was due, for they were the sons of Satan, not of God; there was no good in them whatever, and it would be well to exterminate them completely from the earth. In conflict with the reprobate all methods were justified -- lies, treachery, flexible contradictions of policy. The cause hallowed the means.  Yet Knox’s moral philosophy, on its surface, was precisely the opposite of Machiavelli’s. He did not admit that statesmen should be freed from the moral code required of citizens; he demanded that governors and governed alike  should obey the precepts of the Bible. But the Bible to him meant chiefly the Old Testament; the thundering prophets of Judea were more to his purpose than the man on the cross.  He was an undeceivable judge of other men’s characters, sometimes of his own. “Of nature I am churlish,” he handsomely confessed; and he attributed his flight from Scotland to human weakness and “wickedness.” He gave himself in full blooded sincerity to his task, which was to set up the sway of a cleansed and learned priesthood over mankind, beginning with the Scots. He believed in a theocracy, but did more for democracy than any other man of his time.

His writings were no literary exercises; they were political thunderclaps. They rivalled Luther’s in vigour of vituperation. The Roman Church was to him, “a harlot.... altogether polluted with all kinds of spiritual fornication.” Catholics were “pestilent papists” and “Mass- mongers,” and their priests were “ bloody wolves.” When Mary Tudor married Philip II, Knox burst out in a “A faithful Admonition to the Professors of God’s Truth in England” ( 1554).
Has not Mary shown herself : to be an open traitress to the Imperial Crown of England . . . to bring in a stranger and make a proud Spaniard King, to the shame, dishonour, and destruction of the nobility; to the spoil from them and theirs of their honours, lands, possessions, chief offices, and promotions; to the utter decay of the treasures, commodities, navy, and fortifications of the Realm; to the abasing of the yeomanry, to the slavery of the commonality, to the overthrow of Christianity and God’s true religion; and finally to the utter subversion of the whole public estate and commonwealth of England?. . . God, for His great mercy’s sake, stir up some Pinehas, Elijah, or Jehu, that the blood of abominable idolaters may pacify God’s wrath that it consume not the whole  multitude !

More characteristic was the ‘ First Blast of the Trumpet against the Monstrous Regiment of Women,’ written in Dieppe in 1558 against what seemed to Knox  a plague of women rulers in Europe -- Mary Tudor,  Mary of Lorraine, Mary Stuart, and Catherine De Médicis. We can understand his horror at Mary Tudor’s application of his principles. But even if Mary had not persecuted, Knox would have considered her a monster, a political freak, violating the normal rule that men should govern states. 

He began:
Wonder it is that amongst so many pregnant wits as the Isle of Great Britain hath produced, so many godly and zealous preachers as England did sometime nourish, and amongst so many learned, and men of grave judgment, as this day by Jezebel {Mary Tudor} are exiled, none is found so stout of courage, so faithful to God . . . that they dare admonish the inhabitants of that Isle how abominable before God is the Empire or Rule of a wicked woman, yea, of a traitorous and bastard ; and what may a people or nation left destitute of a lawful head do by authority of God’s Word in electing and  appointing common rulers and magistrates . . . We hear the blood of our brethren, the members of Christ Jesus, most cruelly to be shed, and the monstrous empire of a cruel woman . . . we know to be the only occasion of all those miseries....

To promote a woman to bear rule, superiority, dominion, or empire above any realm, nation, or city is repugnant to Nature, contumely to God, a thing most contrarious to His revealed will and approved ordinance; and finally it is the subversion of good order, of all equity and justice. . .  for who can deny but it is repugnant to nature that the blind shall be appointed to lead and conduct such as do see? That the weak, sick, and impotent persons shall nourish and keep the whole strong? And finally that the foolish, mad, and phrenetic shall govern the discreet, and give counsel to such as be of sober mind? And such be all women, compared unto men in bearing of authority . . . Woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man, not to rule and command him.

For this Knox quoted indisputable Scriptural authority; but when he passed to history , and sought for examples of states ruined by women rulers, he was evidently perplexed to find their record much better than that of the kings. Nevertheless he concluded with confident damnation:   Cursed Jezebel of England with the pestilent and detestable generation of papists make no little bragging and boast that they have triumphed not only against Wyatt . . .  I fear not to say that the day of vengeance, which shall apprehend that horrible monster Jezebel of England is already appointed in the council of the Eternal.... Let all men be advised, for the Trumpet has once blown.

 Mary banned the book as an incitation to rebellion, and made its possession a capital crime.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

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« Reply #2287 on: October 05, 2014, 03:20:01 PM »
 "the Monstrous Regiment of Women". I always wondered where that phrase came from. Well boo to him. He would have had apoplexy if he lived now. (Maybe not -- there seem to have been more women rulers then than now.)

Still, cutting off your head for possessing a book is just wrong.

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« Reply #2288 on: October 08, 2014, 05:37:37 PM »
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He thought or claimed that his voice was the voice of God.

Another megalomaniac who should have been confined to the insane asylum. He could have been given work digging holes and filling them back up, and that would have had more meaning than any words spewing from his filthy mouth.

Knox was a gasbag and blowhard and was unfit to live in the civil world.

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« Reply #2289 on: October 11, 2014, 04:44:37 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol.VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 615 - 616


                            KNOX AND THE CONGREGATION OF JESUS CHRIST

Knox returned to the attack in “An Appellation to the Nobility and Estates of Scotland.” (July 1558):

“ None provoking the people to Idolatry ought to be exempted from the punishment of death.. . . The same ought to be done wheresoever Christ Jesus and His Evangel is so received...... as under King Edward of late days was done in England. . . .  I fear not to affirm that it had been the duty of the nobility, judges, rulers, and people of England not only to have resisted and againstanded Mary, that Jezebel . . .  but also to have punished her to the death.”

Knox urged the people of Scotland to apply this doctrine of legitimate rebellion to Mary of Lorraine. He complained that the Regent ( Mary of Lorraine ) had surrounded herself with French courtiers and soldiers who were eating the spare substance of the Scots: 
“While strangers are brought in to suppress us, our commonwealth, and posterity; while idolatry is maintained, and Jesus Christ, His true religion despised, while idle bellies and bloody tyrants, the bishops, are maintained and Christ’s true messengers persecuted; while, finally, virtue is contemned and vice extolled . . what godly man can be offended that we shall seek reformation of these enormities ( yes even by force of arms, seeing that otherwise it is denied us )?

There is a strange mixture of revolution and reaction in Knox’s appeals. Many thinkers were to agree with him on the occasional justification of tyrannicide. Yet his conviction that those who were sure of their theology should suppress -- if necessary, kill -- their opponents harked back to the darkest practices of the Inquisition. Knox took the thirteenth chapter of Deuteronomy as still in force, and interpreted it literally. Every heretic was to be put to death, and cities predominantly heretical were to be smitten with the sword and utterly destroyed, even to the cattle therein, and every house in them should be burned down.
An obscure Anabaptist in those same years penned a criticism of Calvinism, under the title of ‘Careless by Necessity‘. Its author wondered how the Calvinists, after knowing Christ’s conception of a loving Father, could believe that God had created men whose eternal damnation he had foreseen and willed. God, said the Anabaptist, had given man a natural inclination to love their offspring; if man was  made in the image of God how could God be more cruel than man? Calvinists, the author continued, did more harm than atheists for they are less injurious to God who believe He is not than those who say He is unmerciful, cruel and an oppressor.” Knox replied that there are mysteries beyond human reason.
Unconvinced by reason, and believing himself faithful to the spirit of Christ, Knox in 1559, when England was under a Protestant queen, sent to its people ‘A Brief Exhortation’ advising them to atone for the Marian persecution by making the Calvinist creed and its moral discipline compulsory throughout the land. England rejected his advice. In that year Knox returned to Scotland to preside over the theology of its revolution.

The population of Edinburgh, firmly catholic in 1543 bore most directly and resentfully the influx of supercilious Gauls during the regency of Mary of Lorraine.  Everything was done to make life miserable for the intruders. Feeling rose on both sides, and as the clergy supported the French, the spirit of nationalism took on anti-Catholic overtones. Religious processions -- in which images of the Virgin and the saints were carried and apparently worshiped, and relics were reverently displayed and kissed -- aroused increasing ridicule and doubt. According to Knox similar iconoclastic sallies occurred in all parts of the country.

On December 3, 1557, a ‘Common Band’ of anticlerical nobles met at Edinburgh ( which had become the capital in 1542), and signed the “First Scottish Covenant.”  They called themselves “Lords of the Congregation of Jesus Christ, “ as opposed to the “congregation of Satan “-- i.e. the Church. They resolved to establish reformed churches throughout Scotland, and announced that the Book of Common Prayer, prescribed for England under Edward VI, was to be adopted by all their congregations. The Catholic bishops protested against this bold schism, and urged archbishop Hamilton to suppress it. Reluctantly, he ordered the burning of Walter Milne -- an aged priest who had unfrocked himself, married, and taken to preaching the Reformed faith among the poor. The people had high respect for the old man; they voiced their horror at this last burning of a Scottish Protestant for heresy, and raised a cairn of stones over the site of his death. When another preacher was summoned to trial his defenders took up arms, forced their way into the Regent’s presence, and warned her that they would allow no further persecution of religious belief. The Lords of the Congregation notified the Regent (Nov. 1558 ) that unless liberty of worship were granted they would not be responsible “ if it shall chance that abuses be violently reformed.” In that month they sent word to Knox that they would protect him if he returned.

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« Reply #2291 on: October 13, 2014, 03:57:37 PM »
Interesting. I'll bet the numbers are similar in other countries.

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« Reply #2292 on: October 17, 2014, 11:15:59 PM »
Durants'   S  o  C
Vol. V I  THE REFORMATION
 Pgs. 616 - 618
 


                           KNOX and the CONGREGATION                                                   

Knox took his time, but in May 2, 1559, he reached Edinburgh. On May 3 he preached at Perth a sermon that let loose the revolution. It was a sermon, he tells us,  “vehement against idolatry”; it explained “what idolatry and what abomination was in the Mass,” and “ what commandment God had given for the destruction of the monuments thereof.” The “rascal multitude,” as he describes it, got out of hand. A priest, in Knox’s account, “gave a child a great blow, who in anger took up a stone, and casting at the priest, did hit the tabernacle and broke down an image; and immediately the whole multitude who were about, cast stones, and put hands to the said tabernacle, and to all other monuments of idolatry.” The crowd poured into three monasteries, pillaged them, smashed the images, but allowed the friars to carry away whatever their shoulders could bare. “ Within two days these three great places... were so destroyed that the walls only did remain.”

The Regent was between two fires. Her brother, the Cardinal of Lorraine, advised her to imitate Mary Tudor and cut down the leading protestants, while in and around Perth the victorious rebels were threatening to kill any priest who dared to say Mass.  The Congregation dispatched an appeal to the nobles to support the revolt. Regent Mary entered Perth with what troops she could muster. But the friends of the Congregation gathered in armed array, and Mary, perceiving that she could not overcome them, signed a truce (May 29, 1559 ) Knox retired to St Andrews, and over archiepiscopal prohibitions, preached in the parish church against idolatry. Moved by his fervour, his hearers removed all monuments of idolatry” from the churches of the city, and burned these images before the eyes of the Catholic clergy. The archbishop fled to Perth; but the forces of the Congregation, claiming that Mary had violated the truce by using French funds to pay her Scottish troops, attacked and captured that citadel ( June 25 ). On the 28th they attacked and burned the abbey of Scone. If we may believe the imaginative Knox, a “poor aged matron, watching,” said “now I see and understand that God’s judgments are just. Since my remembrance this place has been nothing but a den of whoremongers. It is incredible .... how many wives have been adulterated and virgins deflowered by the filthy beasts that have been fostered in this den, but especially by that wicked man . . . the bishop.”

Mary of Lorraine, now so seriously ill that she momentarily expected  death, fled to Leith, and tried to delay the victorious Protestants with negotiations until aid might come from France. The Congregation overplayed her by winning support from Elizabeth of England. Knox wrote the Queen a letter assuring her that she had not been included in his trumpet blast against female sovereigns. William Cecil, Elizabeth’s first minister, advised her to help the Scottish revolution as a move toward bringing Scotland into political  dependence upon England. This he felt, was a legitimate protection against Mary Stuart, who, on becoming Queen of France( 1559), had claimed also the throne of England on the ground that Elizabeth was a bastard usurper. Soon an English fleet in the firth of Forth blocked any landing of French aid for the Regent, and an English army joined the congregation’s forces in attacking Leith. Mary of Lorraine retired to the castle of Edinburgh, and having kissed her retinue one by one -- died. (June 10, 1560). She was a good woman cast for the wrong part in an inescapable tragedy.

Her last defenders, blockaded and starving, surrendered. On July 6th, 1560, the representatives of the Congregation, of Mary Stuart, France, and England, signed the treaty of Edinburgh, whose articles were to enter deeply into the later conflict between Mary and Elizabeth.. All foreign troops except 120 French were to leave Scotland; Mary Stuart and Francis II relinquished claim to the English crown; Mary was acknowledged Queen of Scotland but she was never to make peace or war without  the consent of the Estates; these were to name five of the twelve men in her privy council; no foreigner or clergy man was to hold high office; and a general amnesty was to be declared, with exceptions to be specified by the Estates. It was a humiliating peace for the absent Queen, and a remarkable and almost bloodless triumph for the Congregation.




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« Reply #2293 on: October 19, 2014, 02:22:59 PM »
A little science fiction - think what history/historians/history books would be without religious infighting. I suppose human beings would have found other things to fight about.

♪♫♪•*¨•.¸¸♪♫ ¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪ there is power, power, wonder working power♪♫♪•*¨•.¸¸♪♫ ¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪ (in the blood of the lamb)

I guess you have to have been raised in the Christian protestant church to know that song, but much of history is about acquiring power isn't it? And what ever box the power comes in has been used as an excuse to go to battle. Now which comes first - humans need to fight, or humans need for power?

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« Reply #2294 on: October 19, 2014, 04:16:51 PM »
" Now which comes first - humans need to fight, or humans need for power?"

That's a good question. I think they are both there.

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« Reply #2295 on: October 21, 2014, 03:52:47 AM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. V I  THE REFORMATION
Pgs.  618  -  620


                             Confession of Faith by Knox 

The Parliament that met on August 1, 1560 accepted, with only eight dissenting votes, a Confession of Faith drawn up by Knox and his aids. As still the official creed of the Presbyterian Church of Scotland, some major articles should be commemorated :

1. We confess and acknowledge only one God . . .  in three persons.

II. We confess and acknowledge this our God to have created man ( to wit, our first father Adam ), of whom also God formed the woman in His own image . . . so that in the whole nature of man could be noted no  imperfection. From which honour and perfection man and woman did both fall, the woman being deceived by the serpent, and man obeying to the voice of the woman ... .

III. By which transgression, commonly called Original Sin, was the image of God utterly defiled in man; and he and his posterity of nature became enemies to God utterly defiled in man; and he and his posterity nature became enemies of God, slaves to Satan, and servants to sin; in samekill that death everlasting has had, and shall have, power and dominion over all that has not been, are not, or shall not be regenerate from above; which regeneration is wrought by the Holy Ghost, working in the hearts of the elect of God an assured faith in the promise of God . . .  by which faith they apprehend Christ Jesus . . .

VIII. That same eternal God and Father . . . of mere mercy elected us in Christ Jesus . . . before the foundation of the world. . . .

XVI. We most earnestly believe that from the beginning there has been, now is, and to the end of the world shall be, a Church, that is to say, a company and multitude of men chosen by God, who rightly worship and embrace Him by true faith in Christ Jesus. . . out of which Church there is neither life nor eternal felicity. And therefore we utterly abhor the blasphemy of those that affirm that men which live according to equity and justice shall be saved, what religion soever they have professed . . .

XXI. We acknowledge . . . . two chief sacraments only . . . Baptism and the Supper . . . Not that we imagine any transubstantiation of bread into God’s natural body . . . but by the operation of the Holy Ghost . . . we believe that the Faithful, in the right use of the Lord’s Table, so do eat the body, and drink the blood, of the lord Jesus . . .

XXIV. We confess and acknowledge empires, kingdoms, dominions, and cities to be . . .  ordained by God . . .  To kings, princes, and magistrates . . .  chiefly and most principally the conservation and purgation of the Religion appertains; so that not only are they appointed for civil policy, but also for maintenance of the true Religion, and for suppressing of idolatry and superstition whatsoever . . .

Pursuant to this Confession the Scottish Reformation Parliament repudiated the jurisdiction of the pope, made the reformation creed and ritual compulsory, and forbade celebration of the Mass on pain of corporal punishment and confiscation of goods for the first offence, exile for the second, death for the third. But as the nobles who controlled the Parliament wanted land rather than blood, and did not take the Calvinist theology literally, the persecution of those Scots who still remained Catholic was kept comparatively mild, and never came to corporal punishment. Now that the nobles were allowed to reject purgatory as a myth, they claimed to have been cheated in some part of their patrimony by ancestral donations of land or money to pay priest to say Masses for the dead, who, on the new theology, were irrevocably saved or damned before the creation of the world. So the appropriation of ecclesiastical property could be pleasantly  phrased as the restoration of stolen goods.  Most of the Scottish monasteries were closed, and their wealth taken by the nobles. At first no provision was made by the government for the Calvinist ministers; these had been used as ideological aids to the revolution, but the nobles had now lost interest in theology. Knox and his fellow preachers, who had risked and sacrificed so much for the new order, had expected the property of the church to be applied to the support of the Kirk and its clergy. They petitioned Parliament for such an arrangement, they received no reply, but were finally allotted a sixth of the spoils. Finding this inadequate, they turned against the grasping aristocracy, and began the historic alliance of Scottish Presbyterianism with democracy.

Of all the Reformations, the Scottish shed the least blood., and was the most permanent. The Catholics suffered silently; their priest fled; most parish priests accepted the change as no worse than Episcopal exactions and visitations. Rural districts lost their wayside crosses, ancient shrines of pilgrimage were deserted, the saints no longer provided easeful holidays. Many spirits must have mourned and idealised the past, many must have waited hopefully for the coming of the young queen from France. The change had to be. When the recriminations died down, and men adjusted themselves to the new order, it would be a boon that some likeness of faith joined with converging lines of loyalty to end the bitter wars between Scots and Englishmen. Soon the weaker nation would give the stronger land a king, and Britain would be one.

 

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« Reply #2296 on: October 21, 2014, 01:04:37 PM »
Good summary, Durants!

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« Reply #2297 on: October 25, 2014, 10:53:46 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. V I  THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 629  -  631

                                  Protestantism in Eastern Europe.

Poland had her Golden Age under Sigismund I  (1506- 1548) and his son Sigismund II (1548-1572). Both were men of culture and spirit, discerning patrons of literature and art, and both gave to religious thought and worship a freedom which, though imperfect, made most other nations of Europe seem medieval by comparison. Sigismund I married the gay and talented Bona Sforza (1519) daughter of Duke Giangaleazzo of Milan; she brought to Cracow a retinue of Italian courtiers and scholars, and the king, instead of resenting them, welcomed them as a bridge to the Renaissance. A taste for luxury in ornate dress and rich furnishings took hold of the aristocracy, language and manners became more refined, letters and arts flourished, and Erasmus wrote (1523): “I congratulate this nation . . . which now, in sciences, jurisprudence, morals, and religion, and in all that separates us from barbarism, is so flourishing that it can rival the first and most glorious of nations.” Dominating her husband by her beauty, grace, and craft, Bona became queen in fact as well as fashion. Her son Sigismund II  was a humanist, linguist, orator, and transvestite. Wars  marred these  brilliant reigns, for Poland was involved with Sweden, Denmark, and Russia, in a contest for control of the Baltic Sea and ports. Poland lost Prussia, but she absorbed Mazovia, including Warsaw, (1529), and Livonia, including Riga ( 1561). Poland was in this age a major European state.

Meanwhile the Reformation filtered in from Germany and Switzerland. The freedom of worship guaranteed by the Polish Crown to its Greek Catholic subjects had  habituated the nation to religious tolerance, and the century-long rebellion of Hussites, and Utraquists in neighbouring Bohemia had made Poland somewhat careless of distant papal authority. The bishops, nominated by the  kings, were cultured patriots, favouring Church reform with Erasmusian caution, and generously supporting the humanist movement. This, however, did not allay the envy with which nobles and townsmen looked upon their property and revenues. Complaints grew of national wealth being drained off to Rome, of indulgences expensively absurd, of ecclesiastical simony, of costly litigations in Episcopal courts. The ’szlachta’ or lesser nobility, took particular offence at the exemption of the clergy from taxation, and the clerical collection of tithes from the nobles themselves. Probably for economic reasons some influential barons listened with sympathy to Lutheran criticism of the Church; and the semi-sovereignty of the individual  feudal lords provided protection to local Protesnt movements, much as the indendence of the German princes made possible the revolt and shielding of Luther. In Danzig a monk championed Luther’s thesis, called for ecclesiastical reforms, and married an heiress (1518); another preacher followed the Lutheran vein so effectively that several congregations removed all religious images from their churches ( 1522); the city council released monks and nuns from their vows and closed the monasteries ( 1525); by 1540 all Danzig pulpits were in Protestant hands. When some clergymen in Polish-Prussian Braunsberg introduced the Lutheran ritual, and the cathedral canons complained to the bishop, he replied that Luther based his views on the Bible, and that whoever felt able to refute them might undertake the task (1520). Sigusmund I was prevailed upon to censor the press and forbid the importation of Lutheran literature; but his own secretary and Bona’s Franciscan confessor were secretly won to the forbidden creed; and in (1539) Calvin dedicated his ‘Commentary on the Mass’ to the crown prince.

When the prince became Sigismund II both Lutheranism and Calvinism advanced rapidly. The Bible was translated into Polish, and the vernacular began to replace Latin in religious services. Prominent priests like Jan Laski announced their conversion to Protestantism. In 1548 the bohemian Brethren, exiled from their own country, moved into Poland, and soon there were thirty conventicles of their sect in the land. The attempt of the Catholic clergy to indict some members of the ’szlachta’ for heresy, and to confiscate their property, led many minor nobles to rebel against the church.(1552) the national diet of 1555 voted religious freedom for all faiths based on “the pure word of God,” and legalized clerical marriage and communion in bread and wine. The reform of Poland was now at its crest.

The situation was complicated by the development, in Poland, of the strongest Unitarian movement in sixteenth-century Europe. As early as 1546 the anti-trinitarian tentatives of Servetus were discussed in this Far East of Latin Christianity. In 1561 the new group issued its confession of faith. Continuing the confusion of Servetus’s theology, they restricted  full divinity to God the Father, but professed belief in the supernatural birth of Christ, His divine inspiration, miracles, resurrection, and ascension. They rejected the ideas of original sin and Christ’s atonement; they admitted baptism and communion as symbols only; and they taught that salvation depended above all upon a conscientious practice of Christ’s teachings. When the Calvinist synod of Cracow (1536) condemned these doctrines, the Unitarians formed their own separate church.

The Catholic Church fought these developments with persecution, literature, and diplomacy. In 1539 the bishop of Cracow sent to the stake an eighty-year-old woman on the charge that she refused to worship  the consecrated Host. Stanislaus Hosius, bishop of Kulm in Prussia, later cardinal, carried on the counter offensive with ability and zeal. He laboured for ecclesiastical reform, but had no sympathy with Protestant theology and ritual. Sigismund II was won to active support of the Church by stressing the divisions among the protestants, and magnifying the difficulty of  organizing the moral life of the nation on such inimical and fluctuating creeds. In 1564 Hosius and Commundone brought the Jesuits to Poland. These trained and devoted men secured strategic places in the educational system, caught the ear of pivotal personalities, and turned the Polish people back to the traditional faith.

The Bohemians had been Protestants before Luther, and found little to terrify them in his ideas. By 1560 Bohemia was two thirds Protestant; but in 1561 Ferdinand introduced the Jesuits, and the tide turned back to the orthodox Catholic creed. By 1550 it seemed that all Hungary would become Protestant. But Calvinism began to compete with Lutherism in Hungary; the Magyars, constitutionally anti-German, supported the Swiss style of Reform; and by 1558 the Calvinists were numerous enough to hold an impressive synod at Czenger. The rival forces of reform tore the movement in two. Many officials or converts, seeking social stability or mental peace, returned to Catholicism; and in the seventeenth century the Jesuits, led by the son of a Calvinist, restored Hungary to the Catholic fold.
 

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« Reply #2298 on: October 26, 2014, 03:59:46 PM »
It's nice to read about a relatively peaceful reformation!

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« Reply #2299 on: October 26, 2014, 10:46:33 PM »
Yes!

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« Reply #2300 on: November 03, 2014, 07:58:02 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 631  -  635

                                    CHARLES V  AND THE NETHERLANDS
In the Flanders of Charles’s maturity a thriving commerce was more than making up for sporadic industrial decline. Bruges and Ghent were depressed, but Brussels survived for being the Flemish capital, Louvain was brewing theology and beer, and Antwerp was becoming -- would be by 1550 -- the richest and busiest city in Europe. To that hectic port on the broad and navigable Scheldt international trade and finance were drawn by low import and export dues, by the political connection with Spain, and by a bourse dedicated, its inscription said, “ ad usum mercatorum cuisque ac linguae --” “To the use of merchants of every land and tongue.” Business enterprises here were free from the guild restrictions and municipal protectionism that had kept medieval industry unprogressive. Here Italian bankers opened agencies, English “merchant adventurers” established a depot, the Fuggers centred their commercial activities, and the Hanse built its lordly House of Easterlings (1564). The harbour saw 500 ships enter or leave on any day, and 5,000 traders trafficked on the exchange. A bill on Antwerp was now the commonest form of international currency. In this period Antwerp replaced Lisbon as the chief European port for the spice trade; cargos sailing into Lisbon were bought afloat by Flemish agents there, and were sailed directly to Antwerp for distribution through northern Europe. “I was sad at the sight of Antwerp,” wrote a Venetian ambassador, “ for I saw Venice surpassed”; he was witnessing the historic transfer of commercial hegemony from the Mediterranean to the North Atlantic. Spurred on by this commerce, Flemish industry revived, even in Ghent, and the Lowlands provided Charles V with 1,500,000 livres ($37,500,000?) a year, half his total revenue.

He responded by giving Flanders and Holland reasonably good government except in religious liberty.-- a boon hardly conceived by his friends or his foes. Generally Charles ruled the Netherlands by indirection, through regents acceptable to the citizens; first his aunt , nurse, and tutor, Margaret of Austria, then his sister Mary, ex queen of Hungary, both women of competence, humanity, and tact. But Charles became more imperious with more Empire. He stationed Spanish garrisons in the proud cities, and suppressed with severity any serious contravention of his international policies. When Ghent refused to vote the military funds demanded by him and granted by other cities, Charles put down the revolt by a show of indisputable force, exacted the subsidy and an indemnity, abolished the traditional liberties  of the municipality, and substituted Imperial appointees for the local chosen government. (1540). But this was hardly typical. Despite such occasional harshness Charles remained popular with his Lowland subjects; he received credit for the political stability and social order that supported the economic prosperity; and when he announced his abdication nearly all citizens mourned.

Accepting the current theory that national peace and strength required unity of religious belief, and fearing that Protestantism in the Netherlands would endanger his flank in his strife with France and Lutheran Germany, Charles fully supported the Church in persecuting heresy in Flanders and Holland. The reform movement was mild before Luther; after 1517 it entered as Lutheranism and Anabaptism from Germany, as Zwinglianism and Calvinism from Switzerland, Alsace, and France. Luther’s writings were soon translated into Dutch, and were expounded by ardent preachers in Antwerp, Ghent, Dordrecht, Utrecht, Zwolle, and the Hague. The Emperor, still young, thought to stop the agitation by publishing (1521), at the Pope’s request, a “placard”, forbidding the printing or reading of Luther’s works. On July 1, 1523, Henry Voes and Johann Eck, two Augustinian friars, were sent to the stake at Brussels as the first Protestant martyrs in the Lowlands. Henry of Zutphen, friend and pupil of Luther’s, and prior of the Augustinian monastery at Antwerp, was imprisoned, escaped, was caught in Holstein, and was there burned ( 1524). These executions advertised the reformers’ ideas.

A longing for the restoration of Christianity to its pristine simplicity generated a millenarian hope for the early return of Christ and the establishment of a New Jerusalem in which there would be no Government, no marriage, and no property; and with these notions were mingled communistic theories of equality, mutual aid, and even “free love”. Fanned by famine, the movement became a social revolt. Mary of Hungary, then Regent, warned the Emperor that the rebels planned to plunder all forms of property among the nobility, clergy, and mercantile aristocracy, and to distribute the spoils to every man according to his need. The Anabaptist rebels made heroic efforts; one group captured and fortified a monastery in West Friesland; the governor besieged them with heavy artillery; 800 died in a hopeless defence ( 1535) On May 11 some armed Anabaptists stormed and captured the city hall of Amsterdam; the burghers dislodged them, and wreaked upon the leaders the frightful vengeance of frightened men: tongues and hearts were torn from living bodies and flung into the faces of the dying or dead..

Thinking the whole social structure challenged by a communistic revolution, Charles imported the Inquisition into the Netherlands, and gave its officials power to stamp out the movement, and all other heresies, at whatever cost to local liberties. The most violent of these ( September  25 ,1550) revealed the deterioration of the Emperor, and laid the foundation for the revolt against his son:

“We forbid all lay persons to converse or dispute concerning the Holy Scriptures, openly or secretly . . . or to read, teach, or expound the Scriptures, unless they have duly studied theology, or have been approved by some renowned university . . . on pain of being . . . punished as follows . . . the men ( to be beheaded ) with the sword, and the women to be buried alive, if they do not persist in their errors; if they persist in them they are to be executed with fire; all their property in both cases to be confiscated by the crown. . . . .

Through these desperate edicts the Netherlands were made a major battleground between the old and the new forms of Christianity. Of the Dutch Anabaptists some fled to England where they became active supporters of Protestantism under Edward VI and Elizabeth. The communistic movement in the Netherlands collapsed, frightened by prosecution and stifled by prosperity. As the Anabaptists subsided a stream of hunted Huguenots poured into the Lowlands from France, bringing the gospel of Calvin. The Calvinist acceptance of work as a dignity instead of a curse, of wealth as a blessing instead of a crime; of republican institutions as more responsive than monarchy to the political ambitions of the business class, was welcomed by the population. It was with Calvinism, not Lutherism or Anabaptism, that Charles’ son would be locked in the conflict that would break the Netherlands in two, liberate Holland from the Spanish domination, and make her one of the major homes and havens of the modern mind.

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« Reply #2301 on: November 04, 2014, 03:12:58 PM »
A lot of interesting things here.

First The Venetian Ambassador "was witnessing the historic transfer of commercial hegemony from the Mediterranean to the North Atlantic".

For two thousand years, we have a European history played out primarily around the Mediterranean. Now it's expanding. The Atlantic will become more and more important.

Next we have a mini communist revolution. I wonder if Marx knew that?

And finally, a promise that the Netherlands will become "one of the major homes and havens of the modern mind."

I can't wait for the next installment.

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« Reply #2302 on: November 06, 2014, 11:09:52 PM »
Quote
on pain of being . . . punished as follows . . . the men ( to be beheaded ) with the sword, and the women to be buried alive, if they do not persist in their errors; if they persist in them they are to be executed with fire; all their property in both cases to be confiscated by the crown. . . . .

Why did the punishment for the women 'being buried alive' or 'burned alive' as opposed to that of a man who was beheaded seem more humane for men than women?

What people will do to retain power. Perhaps Diderot was right when he wrote, "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

Emma

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« Reply #2303 on: November 07, 2014, 01:17:46 PM »
Yes, love that quote Emma.

There IS nothing new under the sun........the establishment of a New Jerusalem in which there would be no Government, no marriage, and no property; and with these notions were mingled communistic theories of equality, mutual aid, and even “free love”. Fanned by famine, the movement became a social revolt.

Well, i am a little surprised that when Jesus returns and establishes a new Jerursalem there will be no...........etc etc. i didn't learn that in my Methodist Church teachings. Of course, i may have stopped listening after "when Jesus returns." That was never a believable concept for me.

I must research the Holy Roman Empire history and timeline. It has so many different shapes at different times - they look like gerrymandered voting districts - that i would like to know how those aquisitions and subsequent changes came about.

I'm with Joan in looking forward to what the Durants have for us next.

A dinner companion asked me recently how the volumes of "Civilization" became so popular, and how would they be regarded today? How would you have answered him?

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« Reply #2304 on: November 09, 2014, 04:04:48 PM »
Good question, Jean. I don't hear of people reading them today: people don't have the patience for something so long and detailed. but I'd bet if people were introduced to chunks of them, they'd love them.

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« Reply #2305 on: November 11, 2014, 09:06:22 PM »
DURANTS'   S  o  C
Vol.VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 635 - 639



                                      CHARLES V and the NETHERLANDS 

In 1555 Charles V put aside all dreams except that of dying in sanctity. He relinquished his hope of either suppressing Protestantism in Germany and the Netherlands, or reconciling it with Catholicism at the Council of Trent. He abandoned his aspiration to lead Protestants and Catholics, German and French, in a magnificent march against Suleiman, Constantinople, and the Turkish threat to Christendom. His excesses in eating, drinking, and sex, his exhausting campaigns, the burdens of an office that bore the brunt of revolutionary change, had ruined his body, dulled his statesmanship, and broken his will. Suffering from ulcers at thirty-three, old at thirty-five, afflicted at forty-five with  gout, asthma, indigestion, and stammering, he was now half his waking time in pain, and found it hard to sleep; often his difficulty in breathing kept him sitting upright all the night through. His fingers were so distorted with arthritis that he could hardly grasp the pen with which he signed the Peace of Crépy. Perhaps his occasional cruelty, with which he attacked Protestantism in the Netherlands came from the exhaustion of his patience by his pains. He ordered the amputation of the feet of captured German mercenaries who had fought for France, though his son the future inexorable Philip II, begged mercy for them. He had mourned long and bitterly the death  of his beloved wife Isabella (1539), but in time he allowed helpless maidens to be brought to his bed.

In the fall of 1555 he called a meeting of the States-general of the Netherlands for October 25, and summoned Philip to it from England.  At the meeting Charles stood up, leaning on the tall and handsome Prince of Orange, and spoke  of his rise to successively wider powers, and the absorption of his life in government. He recalled that he had visited Germany nine times, Spain six, Italy seven, France four, England and Africa twice, and had made eleven voyages by sea. When he sank painfully into his chair the audience forgot his sins, his persecutions, and his defeats in pity for a man who for forty years had laboured according to his lights under the heaviest obligations of the time. Philip was formally installed as ruler of the Netherlands, and took a solemn oath ( as he would later be reminded ) to observe all the laws and traditional rights of the provinces. Early in 1556 Charles surrendered to him the crown of Spain, with all its possessions in the Old World and the New. On September 17, 1556, Charles sailed from Flushing to Spain.

                                                     SPAIN:  1516 - 1558

It was a questionable boon for Spain that her King Charles I (1516-56 ) became Emperor Charles V ( 1519 - 58 ). Born and reared in Flanders, he acquired Flemish ways  and tastes, until in his final years the spirit of Spain conquered him. The King could be only a small part of the Emperor who had his hands full with the Reformation, the papacy, Suleiman, Barbarossa, and Francis I; the Spaniards complained he gave them so little of his time and spent so much of their human and material resources on campaigns apparently foreign to Spanish interests.. And how could an emperor sympathize with communal institutions that had made Spain half a democracy before the coming of Ferdinand the Catholic, and that she so longed to restore?

Charles’ first visit to his kingdom (1517) earned him no love. Though King for twenty months past, he still knew no Spanish. His curt dismissal of the devoted Ximenes shocked Spanish courtesy. He came surrounded by Flemings who thought Spain a barbarous country waiting to be milked; and the seventeen-year-old monarch appointed these leeches to the highest posts. The various provincial Cortes, dominated by the hidalgos or lower nobility, did not conceal their reluctance to accept so alien a king. The Cortes of Castile refused him the title, then grudgingly recognized him as co-ruler with his demented mother Juana; and let him understand that he must learn Spanish, live in Spain, and name no more foreigners to office. Amid these humiliations Charles received news that he had been elected emperor, and that Germany was summoning him to show himself and be crowned. When he asked the Cortes at Valladolid ( then the capital) to finance the trip, he was rebuffed and a public tumult threatened his life. To make matters trebly perilous he sent corregidores to protect his interests in the cities, and left his former tutor, Cardinal Adrian of Utrecht, as regent of Spain.

Now one after another of the Spanish municipalities rose in “The revolt of the Comuneros”, or  commune members. They expelled the corregidores, murdered a few of the delegates who had voted funds to Charles, and leagued themselves in a  Santa Comunidad pledged to control the king. Nobles, ecclesiastics, and burghers alike joined the movement, and organised at Avila (August 1520) the Santa Junta, or Holy Union, as a central government. They demanded that the Cortes should share with the royal council in choosing a regent, that no war should be made without the consent of the Cortes, and that the town should be ruled not by Corregidores, but by alcaldes or  mayors chosen by the citizens. Antonio de Acuna, Bishop of Zamora, openly advocated a republic, turned his clergy into revolutionary warriors and gave the resources of his diocese to the revolt. Their leader was made commander of the rebel forces. He led them to the capture of Tordesillas, took Juana la Loca as a hostage, and urged her to sign a document deposing Charles and naming herself queen. Wise in her madness, she refused.

Adrian appealed to Charles to return, and frankly blamed the revolt on the King’s arbitrary  and absentee government. Charles did not come, but either he or his councillors found a way to divide and conquer. The nobles were warned that the rebellion was a threat to the propertied classes as well as to the Crown. And indeed the working classes, long oppressed with fixed wages, forced labour, and prohibition of Unions, had already seized power in several towns. In Valencia and its neighbourhood a Germania or Brotherhood of Guildsmen took the reins, and ruled the committees of workmen. This proletarian dictatorship was unusually pious; it imposed upon the thousands of Moors who still remained, the choice of baptism or death; hundreds of the obstinate were killed. In Majorca the commons, whose masters had treated them as slaves, rose in arms, deposed the royal governor, and slew every noble who could not elude them.

 In Madrid, Sigüenza, and Guadalajara the new municipal administration excluded all nobles and gentry from office; here and there aristocrats were slain; and the junta assessed for taxation noble properties formerly exempt. Pillage became general; commoners burned the palaces of nobles, nobles massacred commoners. Class war spread through Spain.The nobles turned against the proletarian government and after days of mutual slaughter (1521) overthrew it. At the height of the crisis the rebel army divided into rebel groups. The Junta also split into hostile factions. When Charles returned to Spain July 1522 with 4000 German troops, victory had  already been won by the nobles, and nobles and commoners had so weakened each other that he was able to subdue the municipalities and guilds, and establish an almost absolute monarchy. The democratic element was so completely suppressed that the Spanish commons remained cowed and obedient till the nineteenth century. Charles tempered his power with courtesy; learned to talk good Spanish; Spain was pleased when he remarked that Italian was the proper language to use to women, German to enemies, French to friends, Spanish to God.

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« Reply #2306 on: November 12, 2014, 02:50:29 PM »
Well! Serendipity rears its head again. I wanted to know about the Holy Roman Empire, which preceded the House of Hapsburg which together ruled for 600 yrs.  This morning in my History Newsletter, they review a book about the House of Hapsburg (or Habsburg, which ever is your preference). It sounds very interesting. Then Jonathan gives me a section of Durants that answers some of my questions about the Holy Roman Empire.

It looks like Marriages kept them adding to that strangely shaped empire. Thank you daughters of Europe!

 http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/157373

Wikipedia says this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg

Jean

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« Reply #2307 on: November 12, 2014, 04:41:43 PM »
JEAN:The first article is interesting. they attribute the long reign and success of the House of Hapsburg to their system for careful choice of advisors, and downfall to not listening to advisors. Sounds like it might be a bit exaggerated to me, but an interesting point.

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« Reply #2308 on: November 14, 2014, 02:50:44 PM »
Yes, that sounds too simple Joan, but if they found a way to make that assessment to get good leaders, i wish some historical researcher would hurry up and find their formula.

Jean

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« Reply #2309 on: November 14, 2014, 03:05:34 PM »
You also have to have a king who cares about the welfare of his subjects and country, is willing to believe that his advisors know more than he does, and is involved enough to keep an eye on how they're doing. Unfortunately, this is rare, especially over long periods.

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« Reply #2310 on: November 15, 2014, 01:37:25 AM »
Yes, it has been almost impossible.

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« Reply #2311 on: November 18, 2014, 04:19:00 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  THE REFORMATION
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                                               THE SPANISH PROTESTANTS 

Only one power could now challenge Charles in Spain -- the Church. He was pro-Catholic but anti-papal. Like Ferdinand-the-Catholic he sought to make the Spanish Church independent of the popes, and he so far succeeded that during his rule ecclesiastical appointments and revenues were in his control, and were used to promote governmental policies. In Spain, as in France, no Reformation was needed to subordinate the Church to the state. Nonetheless, during the half of his reign that Charles spent in his kingdom, the fervour of Spanish orthodoxy so worked upon him that in his later years nothing ( except the power of the Hapsburgs ) seemed more important to him than the suppression of heresy. While the popes tried to moderate the Inquisition, Charles supported it till his death. He was convinced that heresy in the Netherlands was leading to chaos and civil war, and was resolved to circumvent such a development in Spain.

The Spanish Inquisition abated its fury under Charles, but extended its jurisdiction. It undertook the censorship of literature, had every bookstore searched, and ordered bonfires of books charged with heresy. It investigated and punished sexual perversions. It instituted rules of ‘limpieza’ (purity of blood ), which closed all avenues of distinction to descendants  of  ‘Conversos’ and to all who had ever been penanced by the tribunal. It looked upon mystics with a stern eye, for some of these claimed that their direct intercourse with God exempted them from  attending church, and others gave their mystical ecstasies a suspiciously sexual flavour. The lay preacher Pedro Ruiz de Alcaraz announced that coitus was really union with God; and Friar Francisco Ortiz explained that when he lay with a pretty fellow mystic -- even when he embraced her naked body -- it was not a cardinal sin but a spiritual delight. The Inquisitions delt leniently with these ‘Alumbrados’ (enlightened Ones ), and kept its severest measures for the Protestants of Spain..

As in Northern Europe, an Erasmian skirmish preceded the Protestant battle. Perhaps Lutheranism had seeped into Spain with Germans and Flemings in the royal entourage Francisco de San Roman’ the first-known Spanish Lutheran, was burned at the stake in  1542, while fervent onlookers pierced him with their swords. Juan Diaz of Cuenca imbibed Calvinism at Geneva; his brother Alfonso rushed up from Italy to reconvert him to orthodoxy; failing, Alfonso had him killed ( 1546 ). Another semi-Protestant group developed in Valladolid; and here influential nobles and high ecclesiastics were involved. They were arrested  and condemned; some, trying to leave Spain, were caught and brought back. Charles V, then in retirement at Yuste, recommended no  mercy be shown them, that the repentant should be beheaded, and the unrepentant burned  On Trinity Sunday, May 21 1559 fourteen of the condemned were executed before a cheering crowd. All but one recanted, and were let off with beheading; Antonio de Herrezuelo, impenitent, was burned alive. His twenty-three-year-old wife, Leonora de Cisneros, repentant, was allowed life imprisonment.. After ten years of confinement she retracted her recantation, proclaimed her heresy, and asked to be burned alive like her husband; her request was granted. Twenty-six more of the accused were displayed in an auto-da-fé on October 8 1559, before a crowd of 200,000, presided over by Philip II.Two victims were burned alive, ten were strangled..

Between 1551 and 1600 in Spain there were some 200 executions for Protestant heresies. The temper of the people, formed by centuries of hatred for Moors and Jews, had congealed into an unshakeable orthodoxy; Catholicism and patriotism had merged; and the Inquisition found it a simple matter to stamp out a generation or two of passing Spanish adventure with independent thought.

On September 28, 1556, Charles V made his final entry into Spain. At Bargos he dismissed with rewards most of those who had attended him, and took leave of his sisters, Mary of Hungary and Eleonora, widow of Francis I. After suffering many ceremonies en Route, he reached the village of Juandilla, some 120 miles west of Madrid. There he tarried several months while workmen completed and furnished the accommodations that he had ordered in the monastery of Yuste ( St. Justus ) six miles away. When he made the final stage of his journey (February 3, 1557 ) it was not to a monastic cell but to a mansion spacious enough to house the more intimate of his fifty servitors. The monks rejoiced to have so distinguished a guest, but were chagrined to find that he had no intention of sharing their regimen. He ate and drank as abundantly as before -- i.e. excessively. Sardine omlets, Estremadura sausages, eel pies, pickled partridges, fat capons, and rivers of wine and beer disappeared into the Imperial paunch; and his physicians were obliged to prescribe large quantities of senna and rhubarb to carry off the surplusage. Instead of reciting rosaries, litanies, and psalms, Charles read or dictated dispatches from or to his son, and offered him advice in every aspect of war, theology, and government. In his final year he became a merciless bigot; he recommended ferocious penalties to cut out “the root of  heresy,” and he regretted  he had allowed Luther to escape him at Worms. He ordered that a hundred lashes should be laid upon any woman who should approach within two bowshots of the monastery walls. He revised his will to provide that 30,000 Masses should be said for the repose of his soul. We should not judge him from those senile days; some taint of insanity may have come down from his mother’s blood. In August 1558, his gout developed into a burning fever. For a month he was racked with all the pains of death before he was allowed to die. ( Sept. 21, 1558 )

Charles V was the most impressive failure of his age, and even his virtues were sometimes unfortunate for mankind. He gave peace to Italy, but only after the Italian Renaissance withered under that sombre mastery. He defeated and captured Francis, but he lost at Madrid a royal opportunity to make with him a treaty that could have saved all faces and a hundred thousand lives. He helped turn back Suleiman at Vienna, and checked Barbarosa in the Mediterranean. He strengthened the Hapsburgs but weakened the Empire; he lost Lorraine and surrendered Burgundy. The princes of Germany frustrated his attempt to centralise authority there, and from his time the Holy Roman Empire was a decaying tissue waiting for Napoleon to pronounce it dead. He failed in his efforts to crush Protestantism in Germany, and his method of repressing it in the Netherlands left a tragic legacy to his son. He found the German cities flourishing and free; he left them ailing under a reactionary feudalism. When he came to Germany it was alive with ideas and energy beyond any other nation in Europe; when he abdicated it was spiritually and intellectually exhausted, and would lie fallow for two centuries. In Germany and Italy his policies were a minor cause of decline, but in Spain it was chiefly his action that crushed municipal liberty and vigour. He might have saved England for the Church by persuading Catherine to yield to Henry’s need for an heir; instead he forced Clement into a ruinous vacillation.

And yet it is our hindsight that sees his mistakes and their enormity; our historical sense  can condone them as rooted in the limitations of his mental environment and in the harsh delusions of the age. He was the ablest statesman among his contemporaries, but only in the sense that he dealt courageously with the profoundest issues in their widest range. He was a great man dwarfed and shattered by the problems of his time.

Two fundamental movements pervaded his long reign. The most fundamental was the growth of Nationalism under centralised monarchies; in this he did not share. The most dramatic was a religious revolution rising out of national and territorial divisions and interests. Northern Germany and Scandinavia accepted Lutheranism; Southern Germany, Switzerland and the Lowlands divided into Protestant and Catholic sections; Scotland became Calvinist Presbyterian, England became Anglican Catholic or Calvinist Puritan. Ireland, France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal, remained loyal to a distant or chastened papacy. Yet among the double fragmentation a subtle integration grew: the proudly independent states found themselves inter-dependent as never before, increasingly bound in one economic web, and forming a vast theatre of interrelated politics, wars, law, literature, and art.
The Europe that our youth knew was taking form.
 


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« Reply #2312 on: November 21, 2014, 05:16:34 PM »
"Yet among the double fragmentation a subtle integration grew: the proudly independent states found themselves inter-dependent as never before, increasingly bound in one economic web, and forming a vast theatre of interrelated politics, wars, law, literature, and art.
The Europe that our youth knew was taking form."

Not quite sure what he means by this. Was it the Protestant states that became interdependent, or all the European states?

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« Reply #2313 on: November 25, 2014, 11:24:22 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 647  -  650



                                          THE STRANGERS IN THE GATE 

                                          THE UNIFICATION OF RUSSIA  1300 - 1584 

In 1300 Russia did not exist. The north belonged for the most part to three self-governed city-states. The western and southern provinces were dependencies of Lithuania. In the east the principalities of Moscow, Ryazan, Suzdal, Nijni Novgorod, and Tver all claimed individual sovereignty, and were united only in common subjection to the Golden Horde.

The Horde took its noun from Turkish ‘ordu‘, camp, and its adjective from the domed tent, covered with cloth of gold, that had served as headquarters for Batu the Splendid, grandson of Genghis Khan. The Horde was partly agricultural, partly nomad pastoral. The ruling families were Mongol, the rest were mostly Turks. The name Tatar came to the Horde from the Ta-ta tribes of the Gobi, who in the ninth century had started the Mongol avalanche toward the West. The chief results of the long subjection of Russia to the Horde were social: the autocracy of the Moscow dukes, the servile loyalty of the people to their princes, the low status of woman, the military, financial, and judicial organization of the Muscovite government on Tatar lines. The Tatar domination deferred for two centuries the attempt of Russia to become a European Occidental state.

The Russian people faced the most arduous conditions with silent stoicism. Their enemies called them coarse, cruel, dishonest, cunning, and violent. But their patience, good humour, friendliness, and hospitality redeemed them. They were beaten into civilization by barbarous laws and frightful penalties. Like any people fighting cold, the Russians drank alcohol abundantly, sometimes to drunken stupor; even their food was seasoned to warm them. They enjoyed hot baths, and bathed more frequently than most Europeans. Religion bade women hide their tempting forms and hair, and branded them as Satan’s chosen instrument; yet they were equal with men before the law. The Russian Church preached a strict morality, and prohibited conjugal relations during Lent; presumably the severity of the code was a counterpoise to the tendency of people to indulge excessively in almost the only pleasure left to them.

Marriages were arranged by the parents and came early; girls of twelve, boys of fourteen, were considered nubile. Wedding ceremonies were complex, with ancient symbolism and festivities; through all these the bride was required to keep a modest silence; her revenge was deferred.. On the morrow she was expected to show to her husband’s mother the evidence that he had married a virgin. Usually the women of the household remained in an upper apartment or terem, away from the men; and the authority of the father was as absolute in the family as that of the czar in the state.

Piety sublimated poverty as a preparation for paradise. Every house of any size had a room decorated with icons as a place of frequent prayer. A proper visitor, before saluting his hosts, saluted the icons first. Good women carried rosaries wherever they went. Prayers were recited as magic incantations; so, said the  ’Domostroi ’ a famous manual of the sixteenth century; a certain prayer repeated 600 times a day for three years, would cause the incarnation, in the  re-petitioner, of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. But there were many beautiful features in this superstitious religion. On Easter morning people greeted one another with the joyful words “ Christ has risen.” In this hope death was in some measure eased; facing it, a decent  man would pay his debts, relieve his debtors, free one or more of his bond men, leave alms to the poor and the Church, and breathe his last in confident expectation of eternal life.

The Russian Church stimulated this piety with architecture, murals, icons, powerful sermons, hypnotic ceremonies, and massive choral song that seemed to rise from the most mystical depths of the soul or stomach. Monasteries were numerous and immense. One, founded in 1335, had amassed by 1600 such extensive lands that over 100,000 peasants were needed for their cultivation. In return the monasteries distributed charity on a Russian scale; some fed 400 people daily; in a famine year the monastery at Volokolamsk fed 7000 in one day. Monks took a vow of chastity, but priests were obliged to marry. These “papas” were mostly illiterate, but that was not held against them by the people. The metropolitans of Moscow were in many cases the ablest, as well as the most learned, men of their generation, risking their silver to preserve the state, and guiding the princes toward national unity. St. Alexis was the virtual ruler of Russia during his tenure of the Muscovite see ( 1354-70).

With all her faults -- which may have been dictated by her tasks -- the Russian Church in this formative age served as the supreme civilizing agent among a people brutalized by the hardships of life and the predatory nature of man.

In 1448 the Russian Church, repudiating the merger of Greek and Roman Christianity at the council of Florence, declared her independence of the Byzantine patriarch; and when, five years later, Constantinople fell to the Turks, Moscow became the metropolis of the Orthodox faith. The Church was almost the sole patron of letters and arts, and therefore their dictator. The best literature was unwritten. The songs of the people, passing from mouth to mouth, from generation to generation, celebrated their loves, weddings, sorrows, seasons, holydays, and deaths. Blind men or cripples  went from village to village singing such songs and lays and sacred chants. Written literature was nearly all monastic, and served religion.

It was the monks who now brought icon painting to a finished art. Upon a small panel of wood, sometimes covered with cloth, they applied a glutinous coat; on this they drew their design; within this they laid their colours in tempera; they covered the painting with varnish, and enclosed it in a metal frame. The subjects were determined by ecclesiastical authority; the figures and features were derived from Byzantine models, and went back in continuous evolution through the mosaics of Constantinople to the paintings of Hellenistic Alexandria.

Every ruler signalised his splendour, and eased his conscience, by building or endowing a church or monastery. After the fall of Constantinople and the expulsion of the Tartars the dependence of Russia upon Byzantine and Oriental art subsided, and influences from the West entered to modify the Slavic style. In 1472 Ivan III, hoping thereby to inherit the rights and titles of the Byzantine emperors, married Zoë Palaeologus, niece of the last ruler of the Eastern Empire. She had been brought up in Rome, and had imbibed something of the early Renaissance.. She brought Greek scholars with her, and acquainted Ivan with Italian art. It may have been at her suggestion that he sent the first Russian mission to the west ( 1474 ), with instructions to secure Italian artists for Moscow. Several Italian artists and builders came. It was these Italians who, with Russian aides and labour, rebuilt the Kremlin.

Yuri Doloruki had founded Moscow (1156) by raising a wall around his villa. This fortress (kreml) was the first form of the Kremlin. In time the enclosure was enlarged and churches and palaces rose within a massive wall of oak. It was from this many templed centre of Russia that the grand princes and metropolitans of Moscow spread their rule over nobles, merchants, and peasants, and laid in blood and bones and piety the foundations of one of the mightiest empires in history.

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« Reply #2314 on: November 26, 2014, 02:17:58 PM »
"massive choral song that seemed to rise from the most mystical depths of the soul or stomach."

The Durant's way with words again. Have any of you heard any of those choral songs?

I've seen some of the icons in museums. I'm afraid I've never appreciated them.


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« Reply #2316 on: December 03, 2014, 08:40:42 PM »
Durants'  S  o  C
Vol. VI THE REFORMATION
Pgs. 650 - 653




                                  THE PRINCES OF MOSCOW
Moscow remained an obscure village until Daniel Alexandrovitch, toward the end of the thirteenth century, extended its hinterland and made it a minor principality. Historical hindsight attributes Moscow’s growth to its position on the navigable Moscow river which was connected by short overland portage to the Volga on the east and the Oka, Don, and Dnieper on the south and west. Yuri Danielovitch -- son of Daniel -- Prince of Moscow, coveted the neighbouring principality of Suzdal, with its relatively rich capital, Vladimir; Michael, prince of Tver, coveted the same; Moscow and Tver fought for the prize; Moscow won; Michael was killed and canonized; Moscow grew. Yuri’s brother and successor, Ivan I, took the double title of Grand Prince of Moscow and grand duke of Vladimir.

As collector of Russian tribute for the Tatar Khan, Ivan collected more than he remitted, and prospered wickedly. His rapacity won him the nicknamed Kalita, Moneybag, but he gave the principalities thirteen years’ respite from Tatar raids. He died as a tonsured monk, censored with the odour of sanctity (1341). Ivan II was a gentle and peaceable ruler, under whom Russia fell into fratricidal war. His son Dimitri had all the requisite martial qualities; he defeated every rival, and defied the khan. In 1380 Khan Mamai assembled a Horde of Tatars, Genoese mercenaries, and other flotsam, and advanced toward Moscow. Dmitri and his Russian allies met the Horde at Kulikovo, near the Don, defeated it (1380), and won the cognomen Donskoi. Two years later the Tatars attacked again, with 100,000 men. Moscow was burned; 24,000 of the population was massacred. Dmitris son Vasili I made peace with the Tatars, and compelled Novgorod, and Viatka to accept him as their overlord.

The Grand princes of Moscow adopted the Tatar technique of despotism. Under an autocracy of violence and craft a bureaucracy on Byzantine lines administered the government, subject to a Council of Boyars advising and serving the Prince. The boyars were at once the leaders of the army, the governing lords of their localities, the organizers, protectors, and exploiters of the semifree peasants who tilled the land. Adventurous colonists migrated to unsettled regions, drained the swamps, fertilized the soil by burning the woods and brush, and moved on again till they reached the White sea and the Urals, and seeped into Siberia. In the endless plains, towns were many but small; houses were of wood and mud, calculated to burn down within twenty years at most. Roads were unpaved, and were least agonizing in winter, when they were covered with snow packed by sleds and patient boots. Merchants preferred rivers to roads. Probably it was this spreading commerce that overcame the individualism of the   princes and compelled the unification of Russia. Vasili II (1425-62), called Tëmny, the Blind, because his foes gouged out his eyes ( 1446), brought all rebels to obedience with torture, mutilation, and the knout, and left his son a Russia sufficiently strong to end the ignominy  of Tatar rule.

Ivan III became “the Great” because he accomplished his task, and made Russia one. He was built to need; unscrupulous, subtle, calculating, tenacious, cruel, guiding his armies to distant victories from his seat in the Kremlin; punishing disobedience or incompetence savagely, whipping, torturing, mutilating even the boyars, beheading a doctor for failing to cure his son, and so sternly dominating his entourage that women fainted at his glance. Russia called him the Terrible until it met his grandson. Ivan extended his rule to Finland, the Arctic, and the Urals. When Ivan’s brothers died he refused to let their appanages descend to their heirs; he added their territories to his own. One brother, Andrei flirted with Lithuania; Ivan captured and imprisoned him; Andrei died in jail; Ivan wept, but confiscated Andrei’s lands. La politique n’a pas d’entrailles.

Liberation from the Tatars seemed impossible and proved easy. The remnants of the Mongol-Turkish invaders had settled down in three rival groups centring at Sarai, Kazan, and in the Crimea. Ivan played one against another until he was assured that they would not unite against him. In 1480 he refused tribute. Khan Akhmet led a great army up the Volga, to the banks of the Okra and Ugra south of Moscow; Ivan led 150,000 men to the opposite banks. For months the hostile forces faced each other without giving battle; When the rivers froze and no longer protected the armies from each other, Ivan ordered a retreat . Instead of pursuing, the Tatars too retreated (1480). It was an immense and ridiculous victory. From that time no tribute was paid by Moscow to the Horde; The rival khans were maneuvered into mutual war; Akhmet was defeated and slain; the Golden Horde of Sarai melted away.

Lithuania remained. Neither the Grand prince nor the metropolitan of Moscow could suffer peace so long as the Ukraine and Kiev and Western Russia were under a perpetually threatening Moscow, and inviting Orthodox Christians into Latin Christianity. An alleged Polish plot to assassinate Ivan gave him a casus belli and let loose a holy war for the redemption of the seduced provinces( 1492 ). Many Lithuanian princes, uneasy under the Polish-Roman-Catholic union, opened their gates to Ivan’s troops. Alexander, Great Prince of Lithuania, made a stand at Vedrosha, and lost (1500). Pope Alexander VI arranged a six-year truce; meanwhile Moscow kept the region it had won -- west to the river Sozh, including Chernigov and reaching almost to Smolensk. Ivan III now sixty-three, left the redemption of the remainder to his heirs.

His reign of forty-three years was as important as any in the history of Russia before the twentieth century. Whether inspired by lust for wealth and power, or by a conviction the security and prosperity of the Russians required the unification of Russia, Ivan III achieved for his country what Louis XI was doing for France, Henry VII for England, Ferdinand and Isabella for Spain, Alexander VI for the Papal States; the simultaneity of these events revealed the progress of nationalism and monarchy, dooming the supernational power of the Papacy. The boyars lost their independence, the principalities sent tribute to Moscow, Ivan took the title “Sovereign of all the Russias.” Possibly at the behest of his Greek Wife he assumed also the Roman-Greek title of Czar ( Caesar), adopted the imperial double eagle as the national emblem, and claimed inheritance to all the political and religious authority of defunct Byzantium. Byzantine theories and ceremonies of government and of the Church as an organ of state, followed Byzantine Christianity, the  Byzantine Greek alphabet, and Byzantine art forms into Russia; and so far as Byzantium had been Orientalised by its proximity to Asia, so Russia, already oriented by Tatar rule, became in many ways an Oriental monarchy, alien and unintelligible to the West.


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« Reply #2317 on: December 04, 2014, 04:26:49 PM »
"His rapacity won him the nicknamed Kalita, Moneybag, but he gave the principalities thirteen years’ respite from Tatar raids....  Ivan II was a gentle and peaceable ruler, under whom Russia fell into fratricidal war."

So which was the better ruler? Sigh.

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« Reply #2318 on: December 04, 2014, 04:30:45 PM »
"Ivan III achieved for his country what Louis XI was doing for France, Henry VII for England, Ferdinand and Isabella for Spain, Alexander VI for the Papal States [unification into one country]; the simultaneity of these events revealed the progress of nationalism and monarchy, dooming the supernational power of the Papacy."

And the 20th century seems to be one where nations want to split apart again on ethnic lines -- including Russia. A pendulum of sorts?

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« Reply #2319 on: December 08, 2014, 05:33:11 PM »
Catching up!

Joan re: your post of Nov 21st....

IYet among the double fragmentation a subtle integration grew: the proudly independent states found themselves inter-dependent as never before, increasingly bound in one economic web, and forming a vast theatre of interrelated politics, wars, law, literature, and art.

Intrigued me too. I think he must have meant all of Europe, although the protestant countries thrived due to their belief in capitalism as well as protestantism. But then Spain and England were into their exploration and colonial period. I think there were many more factors to take into account than the fragmentation because of religion.

Jean