Author Topic: Movies & Books Into Movies (Read 591778 times)

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4640 on:** December 02, 2020, 03:34:17 PM »

How many of you have read a book,
then watched a movie that was based on that same book?

Were you disappointed?
Or elated that they hadn't made any significant changes?
Or even surprised to discover the movie was even better than the book?

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BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4641 on:** December 02, 2020, 03:35:29 PM »

Hanks is sure a box office draw - you always know it will be a good movie if he is in it. The premise of this one reminds me how many of us go kicking and screaming into the next phase of our lives - but then Dylan Thomas recommends we go kicking and screaming when it comes time to go into the good night.

I'm so close to finishing my big clear out that I am feeling conflicted trying to get ready for Christmas - still have about a third of the Kitchen to do that does include completely emptying the freezer and frig and in the house I still have the pantry to do - too cold to do the garage and tool room but I'm about half way with both of them - not really getting anything done - I want to finish but I also do not want Christmas to pass without spending time doing and decorating - I've only cleared out not deep cleaned - I want Christmas to wait till I am all finished - ah so and that is me kicking and screaming over having to decide how much to live for me and how much to live by the calendar and past traditions.

ginny · « **Reply #4642 on:** December 02, 2020, 05:00:42 PM »

On the Live Cam (I put this in the wrong place initially)

I don't think I know what I'm doing with it? For instance this morning when I grabbed the bar and ran it back to the night time, there were lions, at least 3 female ones or one and two younger cubs, frolicking about in the dark. It was at -4.33. But when I moved the actual bar back TO -4.33, they were not there at all?

Something recorded them? I am in doubt I know what I'm doing.

Last night I was looking for this and found another one which was showing a film (highlights) it said and it was an elephant, a young one I guess absolutely exulting in the water pond, a deeper one than shown here. He was under water totally and thrashing about with his or her trunk, just having the BEST adolescent time in the water until his mother? came down and stopped him. But it went on and on and I wish I had filmed it.

Such joy in an animal.

Oh and what is that constant clicking noise in the camera? Banging kind of something knocking on it? You'd think that would drive the animals off.

Frybabe · « **Reply #4643 on:** December 03, 2020, 06:22:18 AM »

I don't know what the clicking is either. Insects banging up against where the camera's sound pick-up? It sounds a lot like dripping water sometimes. I didn't see anything the last two nights there, except some antelopes off trotting past in the distance. They kept going and didn't stop at the watering hole. Last evening was good for ship watching. CG Neah Bay is at Algonac. She arrived night before last, tanked up and left by 8:15am yesterday morning. She wasn't gone long. By the time I checked back later, she was back and sitting in the middle of the river just off the ferry pier. I am kind of puzzled as to why she chose to sit in the middle of the river all night rather than dock again.

ginny · « **Reply #4644 on:** December 03, 2020, 08:25:50 AM »

Oh no, there's a boat one, too? This is the one with the deep water, called Watering Hole which has the film of elephants ducking down in deep water. But today it's not elephants, if you pull the ball back on the bottom which shows the progress of the film, if you get it back about 1/4" inch from the beginning it's film of the hippos there, an entire herd in the water. https://explore.org/livecams/african-wildlife/african-watering-hole-animal-camera I found it very interesting yesterday to watch the elephants try to get OUT of this deep pond.

I was going into Portillo withdrawal when I found 2 more series in this box I bought which I thought I had finished with, so I'm good for a while and the further he goes the more he involves himself gleefully in whatever he's doing. Such fun.

I finished the Royal Windsors, I am getting just a whiff of "Poor Charles," but more sympathy for him, too, I'm not sure where the truth lies, but this latest Crown Episode 4 is apparently really setting off the young people who had no idea of the issues.

Frybabe · « **Reply #4645 on:** December 03, 2020, 09:00:00 AM »

Ginny, the boat cam I mentioned is Streamtime Live's cam sites on the St. Clair River, a forty mile stretch between Lake st. Clair and Lake Huron. They have three cams stationed along the river. They also have a seaplane cam at Anchorage, AK. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrtIIVfi-5tMlVXdMDzOMUA

rosemarykaye · « **Reply #4646 on:** December 03, 2020, 12:36:23 PM »

Ginny - I notice that with my daughters. All this royal family stuff is ancient history to them. My elder daughter was two years old when Diana was killed. I remember it because we had friends of my husband's family staying and for some logistical reason my husband had to sleep on the sofa (I think I had a child sleeping with me to free up beds) - when I came down to the sitting room in the early morning, David had put the TV on, and a newsreader was sitting there, flanked by lit candles. David said 'Diana and Dodi have been killed in a car crash in Paris' - neither of us is in the least royalist, but I still don't think either of us could quite believe it.

And to me, the issues with Princess Margaret's marriage and also the abdication of Edward VIII, also seemed like history, whereas of course my mother remembers them well. She even has a memory of old Queen Mary.

If people of the girls' generation are interested in anything, it is the treatment of Meghan Markle, which they find unforgiveable. I did not follow any of that stuff until one of my children told me all about the appaling things the lowbrow press were saying about her - I had a look at it then and it really was dreadful. These papers have totally polarised attitudes - Diana = saint, Meghan = witch. Of course they only write this stuff to fuel the flames in a certain sector of our society - I would say that most people I know have very little interest in it at all, but there are people for whom it is an obsession. I'm not surprised Meghan and Harry have gone to live elsewhere. For many of us in the UK (and perhaps especially in Scotland) the monarchy is past its sell-by date, but I know it is popular in other countries.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4647 on:** December 03, 2020, 02:06:23 PM »

Have to agree - to me the royals appear like fodder for the tabloid press no different than Hollywood personalities - after all that with Diana it was overkill with many books selling her out based on how well they touted they knew Diana - now I see headlines back as to Harry's biological father - to me there is no sorting it out anylonger - the queen's mother lived to her 100s and so I suspect so will Elizabeth which makes Charles a very old king - my instinct says it will be another 10 years making Charles in his 80s - not exactly an icon for the young - everyone in the press is out to make a name for themselves and so they seem to have influenced how the public views the royals, along with other national leader. Problem I see is once they have pulled down a leader they offer no replacement for national pride - I see it here in Austin - once pride of place goes folks become more insular and self-centered so that there is less community and less community volunteerism as well as, less care about public places - its like falling domino.

Has anyone read The Pickwick Papers? Finally saw the movie that was done as a series and when all is said and done I do not get the point of the story - seems like just a group of men who visit in each other's homes with something maybe about generosity and for sure one-up-man-ship - Compared to Charles Dickens other books it seemed less riveting and more about the mannerisms of the gentry with no explanation of where they receive their wealth that is the engine to their almost decadent lifestyle. I feel like I am missing something that went over my head.

I did not know but there is an illness called Pickwickian syndrome, that accompanies obesity, is some sort of blood disease that one symptom is sleeping all the time and named after Joe, the fat, red faced boy in The Pickwick Papers

I'm having the worst time this year figuring out my Christmas - I can see it had really been about family and traditions but now we are scattered and I can no longer do the traveling but then the grands are all on their own - I'm almost feeling annoyed - celebrating the day has interfered with my drive to clear out and then scrub from top to bottom this house -

Since Thanksgiving last week I feel I am being dragged into Christmas and not getting either done, either Christmas prep or my big clean out - I have an advent book that I've enjoyed for years filled with daily spiritual thoughts that even that has me feeling annoyed and I'm actually arguing with what I'm reading -

I've decided to spend one full week getting everything together that I would be devastated if I didn't do for the holiday and then never mind all the decorating - no one will be here - since I'm into this clearing and cleaning frenzy I've ordered myself my own Christmas present - one of those steam cleaners and I'll spend Christmas week steam cleaning - what a treat it will be to start the new year with a steam cleaned house, with windows that are cleaned from years and years of window wax - for now that brings a smile to my face far more than sitting down to a store purchased meal or watching on TV a Christmas special waiting for phone calls from family members or even this new zoom connection gathering - the knitting I started yesterday is not holding my interest and so rather than being annoyed with myself for feeling like Scrooge or the Grinch, I really have something that is exciting for me to look forward to. Heck once started I may just steam clean all the homes in Whoville

rosemarykaye · « **Reply #4648 on:** December 03, 2020, 02:34:21 PM »

Good for you Barb! Do what you want to do, not what others expect of you, or indeed what you expect of yourself. I have always felt irritated at the amount of my time Christmas has taken up, involving me in doing a whole lot of things I don't want to do. Yes, I am also a grinch, but it's really just like parties at any time of year, which I hate, and which people always tell me i will 'enjoy when you get there'. There are plenty of things I do like doing, they're just not the ones people think I should be doing!

I am looking forward to having more time to do what I want to do at Christmas (I'm sure my husband would say 'oh, not like every other day of the year then?'!!!) I have just ordered the Secret Santa present i have to do - the deadline was 19 December but for once I decided just to get it done and out of the way. All I have to do now is order a couple of things for my husband, and sort out what we will eat on Christmas day (I'm not even bothered about that, but he will be...)

It's a liberation for me, though I am truly sorry for all the people who want to meet up and can't.

Rosemary

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4649 on:** December 03, 2020, 03:05:46 PM »

tra la - we figured it out...

ginny · « **Reply #4650 on:** December 09, 2020, 01:19:44 PM »

I think perhaps I get my grinch out by reading Mysteries and enjoying Scrooge for the umpteenth time because it does speak to that and quite frankly how anybody can watch that It's a Wonderful Life is beyond me. (I know, I know, EVERYBODY loves it but me). And these are stressful times. People are dying and still 10-11 months in, nobody seems to know what causes it, or how it's transmitted.

People are still washing groceries when they come into the house. They would not do that if there were no need or fear or any definitive knowledge of how it IS transmitted.. This or that authority says this or that but they are not the same. Yes the virus was found on that cruise ship railing 72 hours or days into it but was it viable? It's like the old polio scares.

Today in the grocery, the one I feel safest in, where everybody wears a mask, here was this woman who should know better, old, and that man over there, about 45 to name only two, and one employee in the produce department, mask-less. The 45 year old was bellowing cheerfully at the poor clerk masked and behind a plastic shield, not a face mask in sight on him or that other old woman pushing a cart, and they weren't the only ones.

I guess it's over? Somebody has waved a magic wand? You can TAKE those masks which Home Depot gives out FREE (and nobody wears in the store) and wash them, yes you really can, in antibiotic dishwashing detergent, kills 99.9 percent bacteria and the corona viruses (there are more than one), and put the darn things back on. There's no excuse not to wear a mask, and those "disposable" blue ones have been found floating in the ocean clogging it up. Crest Pro Health mouthwash will kill the virus in 30 seconds according to a hospital report in Wales (on the mouthwash with that particular ingredient, in this country it's Pro Health).

We all have things which comfort us, for me it's a good book and a fire, and on occasion, some Latin to read. I like Christmas because it's Christmas. I like seeing people happy, and singing joyful carols, but "Christmas" means different things to different people, so I figure if you take the good bits and enjoy those and enjoy making others feel good, and ignore the rest, the overwhelming demands, (and that's what they are) it's your choice. I have always been grateful that my husband's business did not require me to entertain. There's nothing worse to me than a cocktail party, small inane talk, and I haven't had to go to one in years and I have a pretty good idea that will continue. And it's OK.

PatH · « **Reply #4651 on:** December 09, 2020, 05:29:06 PM »

Ginny

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(I know, I know, EVERYBODY loves it but me).

You're wrong, Ginny. Somehow I've never seen the movie, so I don't know if I like it or not.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4652 on:** December 09, 2020, 07:16:14 PM »

haha someone heard you Ginny or you are in the forefront of fashion - TV tonight a two-hour production of "Dr. Seuss' The Grinch Musical!" filmed at the Troubadour Theater in London.

nlhome · « **Reply #4653 on:** December 09, 2020, 07:45:30 PM »

It's a Wonderful Life was good the first time. I can re-watch some movies, but not that one.

For most people, there's no reason not to wear a mask. For some who say they can't, they probably should not be out and about then, given their health issues. My husband spent several years during the Bush administration involved in the Bird Flu, which our country took very seriously at the time. He also is on our county health committee He is adamant about the masks and staying a distance. There are places we do not go because the mask mandate is not enforced.

50 degrees and sunny today. Definitely not Christmas weather.

PatH · « **Reply #4654 on:** December 10, 2020, 06:58:34 PM »

Nlhome, you're so right about the masks. It's become obvious how important that is--our most powerful weapon at the moment.

A light frost here this morning, so maybe trying to work toward Christmas.

ginny · « **Reply #4655 on:** December 12, 2020, 04:34:04 PM »

I agree, totally, Nhome!

Barbara, I had just happened to look in when you posted that so I went to look, and there it was, looking to me like a new version of Cats on Steroids.

Nope nope nope hahahaa

Did you watch it?

Movie wise they are cranking them out, aren't they? I am now watching the rest of the Shakespeare and Hathaway season 3 to see what I skipped. They've lost the....vibe.....of the show except for 2 episodes, I think I'll go back and re watch it from season 1 to see the difference.

It's funny what you want to watch this time of year. And what you don't.

For some strange reason I became interested in the Bee Gees, whom I have not thought of for 40 years or more. I watched a biography of them. I had no idea that Barry Gibb was so angry about not being taken seriously, and I can see his point, actually. Four of the three brothers are deceased. One particular short thing on Youtube had them singing Jive Talking and the BASS by Maurice was incredible. I did not realize the Bass Guitar only had four strings. I learned a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALKAh_bL5g

I also did not realize they wrote all their songs.

Anybody watching anything interesting?

ginny · « **Reply #4656 on:** December 12, 2020, 04:47:33 PM »

OH and in my never-ending quest for quality entertainment, it occurred to me that I had not seen an episode of Come Dine With Me (which Rosemary had recoiled from as if it were the plague earlier) hahaha, in a year or so, but the only versions I had seen were the early ones and if somebody was rude or whatnot, I'd turn it off.

Holy smoke, the ones out there now!!!!!!!! I like the narrator and I liked it when it was 4 or 5 earnest people cooking a meal and enjoying each other, not these people vying to see who can be the rudest, and/ or most hateful and obscene. It seems that nothing is off the table. Literally. What a MESS.

Can these people not SEE how they look? Maybe they are told to be rude?

I haven't made it through one episode yet. hahaha

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4657 on:** December 12, 2020, 08:15:08 PM »

Nothing on TV - the last 2 weeks PBS has been having their fund drive and have shown hour and two hour specials of every 1970s singing group known to man - then this week every blessed show is a repeat - a few movies on the other channels but nothing to write home about - the best I saw over a week ago when they ran both Barbara Streisand movies about Fanny Brice and that same channel did Music Man which is still a delight after all these years - there is just nothing - a vast desert of nothingness - and these late night so called comics are as boring - even their guests connected from their homes are boring. They are either gritching about something or trying to be funny and it comes off as being silly.

Even Medici the online opportunity to see live symphonies, ballets, concerts is dull with either no audience or it is a repeat from past years. And so I've been enjoying and really have enjoyed silence or I play music from my collection of CDs. I do not even enjoy getting out - everyone with their masks and I cannot hear that well so I have no idea what they are saying - they do this pantomime to show me what they need me to know grrrr - obviously I am in a bad mood this evening

Downloaded a copy of Au Revoir, Tristesse: Lessons in Happiness from French Literature - interesting, a sort of memoir with commentary on a selection of French Lit and also his experience either having met the author or how he came to read the author - almost gossipy however, making his point about French, Joie de Vivre.

A quote he includes from André Gide caught my fancy - "Know that joy is rare, more difficult, and more beautiful than sadness. Once yo make this all-important discovery, you must embrace joy."

He also includes a bit about how until about 20 years ago we learned more about ourselves and human nature by reading novels - today the young do not read near the number of novels - they seem to learn how to negotiate life by looking up each feeling and hurdle in their lives by Googling the how, what, where, when - I agree, to me I see even my grands acting as if life is a malady that needs constant attention to cure even the usual and expected.

Hmm just dawned on me - I was taken with a repeat shown last night of Call the Midwife - the sisters were congregated to choose a new head - the discussion came around to doing what the order directed versus doing what each thinks is their best way to serve and the enlightened thought shared it was not so much a quarrel between an individual and the order but a quarrel within ourselves and seeing the quarrel as a path to growth as we each sort it out... I forget the exact words but the program does repeat this week and so I think I will listen again and see if I can jot down the words...

rosemarykaye · « **Reply #4658 on:** December 13, 2020, 12:59:22 PM »

Barb - we are promised a new series of Call the Midwife soon after Christmas, so that's something to look forward to.

And I know what you mean about going out. I am still enjoying walks in the countryside, either alone or with my friend Nancy, but going anywhere else is far too fraught.The grocery shopping I had to do in Westhill last week was such a terrible experience that I decided I am not going again till after Christmas - we can perfectly well manage with what the local Co-Op (teeny) and Spar have. I will however have to queue up at the post office to send a couple of parcels. I will take a book. I did enjoy the trip to the fish wholesalers that I mentioned in my laspt post in The Library, but that was fun, just about everywhere else is not.

Ginny - I do think the people on Come Dine With Me are probably told to be as outrageous as possible - unfortunately that seems to gain them more viewers. Another downside is, I think, that the more behaviour like this is seen on TV, the more people seem to find it acceptable to behave like this in real life. I do appreciate that the days of Celia Johnson in Brief Encounter are long gone, but (and I'm beginning to sound like my mother now, no doubt) it would be nice to see some decent behaviour for once. I was just listening to someone on the radio saying that it annoyed her when people dismissed books as 'twee' when they were often really referring to characters behaving honourably and taking other people's feelings into consideration. She's got a point.

I love the Bee Gees. I have a DVD (For One Night Only) of one of the last concerts they did together before Maurice died. I was really quite sad to realise that I would never see them perform live.

At the moment we are watching the DVD of Bleak House (made by the BBC maybe 15 years ago? Charles Dance wonderfully evil as Mr Tulkinghorn) - I've seen it but my husband hasn't, and I'm enjoying rewatching it as the acting is so good. Pauline Collins as Miss Flyte is brilliant, but Gillian Anderson is the outstanding actor as Lady Dedlock.

By myself I am watching the remake of Upstairs Downstairs, which I did not see at the time it came out in 2010. It is quite fun, especially as it has Keely Hawes as Lady Agnes Hallam, whose husband Lord Hallam is the new owner of the house in Eaton Square, and the wonderful Eileen Atkins as her indomitable mother-in-law. I thought it was sad to see Jean Marsh in it though, as although she knew her lines and did not falter, she seemed to me to be struggling and nothing like the Rose (Buck) she was in the original (which, incidentally, she and Atkins wrote.) I believe she had to leave the show later as she had a minor stroke.

On BBC Sounds I am listening to the audiobook of Wuthering Heights, but I have to say I find it hard work. All those Yorkshire accents, and everyone so moody and miserable. No wonder I've never got past the first chapter of the printed version.

ginny · « **Reply #4659 on:** December 14, 2020, 05:00:21 PM »

Oh I truly love that version of Bleak House!! I just found my DVD of it, too.

AND the Bee Gees, I missed them entirely for some reason.

I thought last night I wanted something different and watched the third Jurassic Park, called Jurassic Park III. Non stop screaming, running, horror. I mean non stop. I did get through it but it's not half as good as the one following it: Jurassic World, which seems to do more in the way of plot and character development though I have to say that Tea Leoni and William H. Macy did their best.

It was also short, about 1 hour. In looking for Macy's name I found a LOT Of discussion about it and how bad it was, including lots of questions as to why, here's one and the answer:

Is Jurassic Park 3 bad?

Jurassic Park III remains the only Jurassic Park movie without some form of human villain and it's easy to see why it hasn't happened again. Without another dimension of danger for the main characters going on, the premise can easily seem monotonous. Monotonous screaming running and dinosaurs smashing things and killing everybody, he means.

So I turned from it to The Great British Bake off, and went back to the first episodes for some civility and it was delightful. If your only problem is the braids on a loaf of bread, and you are kind and courteous, it makes very nice watching. No screaming or running.

I am glad you think so, too, about the behavior of the contestants on Come Dine With Me. I really thought on that last they had been coached to be as outre as possible. The young woman could not have been more nasty to everybody but when it came to her night and the "authentic" Mexican food, (for some reason she insisted she knew real Mexican food and had lived in Mexico 3 years, but her stuff was store bought as I recall and some kind of Mexican seasoning from a packet so that she could not name any of the spices, after criticizing everybody else: just awful. It was a caricature of what the program once was with outlandish behavior. And I'm off it for good. And I loved Dave Lamb's comments. I think the original premise was good, but I had only seen old reruns, and had no idea what it had morphed into. And I was initially surprised by your thought on it, thinking well I didn't see it as all that bad. I do now. Why would anybody want to be on it?

ginny · « **Reply #4660 on:** December 19, 2020, 12:37:49 PM »

Slowly wending my way through the Jurassic Park series, in #2, (can't watch #1 too scary) and this one is the same pattern, I am not sure why I like this repeated theme over and over, like Westworld (the Yul Brynner original) or R.U.R.. or I, Robot. I guess I like robots or half robots which go crazy.

As an anecdote am watching old I Love Lucy reruns on the We channel and enjoying them a lot, along with Caesar Millan, on the National Geographic Channel who deals with problem owners of dogs rather than the dogs, which he has no problem with, and does it brilliantly. Golly moses, some people put up with some absolutely awful dogs. Man has found his niche in life.

Then was very enthusiastic about Dr. Pol, a new series about a 77 year old veterinarian but there have been some protests by other vets and people about his not wearing the proper clothes, etc., type of anesthesia, all done on camera, and I don't know if there are two sides to this story or not.

Tomereader1 · « **Reply #4661 on:** December 19, 2020, 02:57:52 PM »

Aw, Ginny. The Jurassic Park series. Actually, in my estimation, the first Jurassic movie was the very best, and the others were wastes of my movie-watching time. Especially III. I tried watching it, but did not make it thru the entire thing. Do try to watch the first one...yes, I know it is scary, but to me, the way the movie is directed is the perfect definition of "edge of your seat". Starts off lulling you into a feeling of "oh, how enchanting" the visitors to the island finding the humongous prehistoric animals. Each segue brings its own build-up of impending terror, all the while telling an awesomely interesting story. I may just put my DVD of it on tonight.

My daughter, and several other people, count as a "Christmas Movies" - "Die Hard" #1, and the other one (#2?) where the plane is trying to land and running out of fuel, with other "action packed" happenings on the ground. I would never have put those in the Christmas Movie genre, but obviously there are possibly hundreds or more folks who tie them into that genre! But hey! I am an action movie junkie from the get-go. Give me the Bourne flicks, "Salt" "Shooter" and on and on. My late teens and into early adulthood, I was a "war movie" connoisseur, then came action movies and I found my niche. Enough about me. Enjoy whatever you like best!

ginny · « **Reply #4662 on:** December 20, 2020, 08:51:01 AM »

You're right, Tomereader, on the first Jurassic Park being the best. I think any movie which spawns 4 sequels has to have had something magic in it which people then want to revisit. III definitely doesn't have it, and neither does 2. But Jurassic World, I guess that's #4, does come closer, I think, better than its sequel... I just read that III was the only one with animatronic dinosaurs, they built those things instead of CGI and so forth.

I guess I could fast forward, but the first Jurassic Park engages you so that the scenes to me are terrifying. I even bought the book to try to control the horror and IT is scary too. Right away gory chomping. hahaha Kind of like The Shining, another really good book I can't watch, from the first moment Jack Nicholson looks in the mirror early on, I'm fumbling for the off button. hahaha, CHICKEN!

Talking about Christmas movies, I found myself trying to watch I Robot on youtube and thinking (the sound is awful) I need to get the DVD, that's another one nobody would think of at Christmas, robots in tunnels chase scene, jumping out of tractor trailers whose sides rise up. Will Smith.

I read somewhere the hottest thing this holiday season and in the pandemic as a whole is the Sopranos, believe it or not.

Talk about the plane running out of fuel, I thought the new Sherlock Holmes movie series with Benedict Cumberbach about the plane and the little girl was about as horrifying as one could imagine. I would say I don't know who thinks up these ideas but Mark Gatiss is behind some of the plots and I really like his work, but that thing is haunting...Little girl on a plane, everybody else is dead, plane is flying on auto pilot,she can't wake anybody up, talk about nightmares.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4663 on:** December 20, 2020, 10:44:09 AM »

And of course the little girl had to be helpless sheesh - no one had a cell that she could use to call for help so they could guide her what to do? grrr

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4664 on:** December 20, 2020, 03:05:16 PM »

At the risk of raising the grumpy in us here is a link to Finney's version of Dickens Christmas Carol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99BfCytGEGY&feature=youtu.be

and for good measure here is George W. Scott's version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCEInK2Mb8

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4665 on:** December 21, 2020, 09:28:26 PM »

Wow talk about a great Christmas gift - I had not heard - there will be a squeal to Downton Abby being filmed in 2021 - here is the skinny...
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/downton-abbey-will-take-extra-precautions-for-maggie-smith-to-return-for-the-sequel.html/

ginny · « **Reply #4666 on:** December 22, 2020, 07:50:56 AM »

A sequel should set the Downton fans into great joy! I say go for it, if you've got the viewers and enthusiasm, why ever not!

On the Sherlock Holmes little girl and the airplane, the entire thing was bizarre, like a nightmare is. The "little girl" is now a grown woman so it took place sometime far in the past, before the time of cell phones working on planes. I think it was 2013 when the law allowed it, but you don't just turn it on, the last time I flew domestically and internationally (2019) you have to pay for that privilege and login, things a child couldn't do. That, however, only pertains to the airlines I have flown in, so it may be limited to them. I would say 30 years ago (in a conservative guess of the woman's age) it would not be possible.

Funny thing about nightmares, one is usually helpless, when you think about it.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4667 on:** December 22, 2020, 11:52:33 AM »

Probably so - I am just in a rant here of late at how many movies on TV are showing dependency rather than independence or at least groups of capable characters -

I think of the comics growing up with Archie and even Nancy Drew - it's where as kids we learned to be courageous, self-sufficient, loyal, capable, resourceful and now the mantra seems to be 'kids should be allowed to be kids' which I see too often as code for kids are safer being dependent -

With some watchers identifying with the kids it is all fine and dandy to be dependent until something happens and an adult or family member is not around - but more it sets kids up to become dependent adults - instead of going into a job bringing their skills and character to benefit the company they come dependent on the job for the safety and care of their being... Ah so... probably a topic of ethics and values - I just do not see the kind of character in most young people today as there was among those who for instance fought in WWII using their head, courage and initiative rather than acting as robots behind technical equipment.

hahaha all that from a TV show about a kid in an airplane - I just remember stories that had someone talking the kid down and rather than this nightmare to unsettle those watching the show the story could be infusing spunk, tapping their inner resourcefulness with just a few changes to the script

AS to Downton - one more chance to see Maggie Smith will be such a joy - she is such the actress but more, the part she plays and the one liners she has been given in this series are worth putting up with Cora - and now that Lady Edith is finally married she may show a very different side of her character.

Well with this monster cold front coming through I need to get busy and sock all the outside faucets and get the hoses into the garage and cut some of the herbs I hope to use - it is difficult to judge when it is warm just how cold it will be but they are saying here the last time we had such cold temps was 2012. We've been in the beginning stages of a drought again so the ground won't take the cold as easily - we may end up with a lot of snapped trees

ginny · « **Reply #4668 on:** December 23, 2020, 10:12:10 AM »

hahaha all that from a TV show about a kid in an airplane - I just remember stories that had someone talking the kid down and rather than this nightmare to unsettle those watching the show the story could be infusing spunk, tapping their inner resourcefulness with just a few changes to the script

I think the point was (I'm actually not sure what the point was, that thing was so bizarre and scary that I really sort of tuned in with half a mind, the woman grown is some kind of nut, she's so smart, an evil genius, it pulled out all the stops. Now that I pause to consider the MEANING of the scene, I don't know what it was.) But I THINK the point was this is quite a young child? 5? 4? And the horror of the helplessness, just horror really. I'm going to have to watch the awful thing again just to see what the POINT was! I was so shocked at the way it was filmed that I am not sure now. hahahaa

I'm turning into quite the scardey cat about some things on film, and when I think about it, it's the helpless ones, the guests fleeing from and being terrorized by the dinosaurs, the monster in the basement of the museum, the little girls on planes with everybody dead, hmmm.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4669 on:** December 23, 2020, 01:53:17 PM »

Funny thing about movies that appear scary - I remember as a kid everyone glued to the screen and silence as the scary part came and as a little kid, when I was still attending a movie with mostly my mom, sometimes mom and dad I would bury my head in their arm and ask them to tell me when the scary part was over - but later when I was older and went to the movies with the other kids, for some reason I would get real annoyed thinking it was a silly waste of story time where as I used to look forward to being scared riding the roller coaster -

One of the pages I follow on Tumblr has been including links to mostly obscure holiday films - one with a young Gregory Peck who was blown out to sea off New England - picked up by a ship and landed penniless in England and then two wealthy brothers spot him as their guinea pig to give him a million pound note - evidently it is a Mark Twain story - filmed in 1954

and yesterday she linked to a more modern movie - Ratatouille - cute - also reminded me just how often animals have been humanized - mixed bag on that one - so many adults who grew up surrounded by the humanization of animals have this bambi attitude without any knowledge of how to manage wildlife when natural predators are removed - I must say though I am a sucker for the likes of Wind in the Willows and Winnie the Pooh on film

ginny · « **Reply #4670 on:** December 23, 2020, 04:05:15 PM »

OK Barbara you're smarter than you know. hahaha There WAS a cell phone. I scanned the thing again, it 's called The Final Problem on Netflix and it's the Benedict Cumberbach one written by Mark Gattis.

It starts with this little girl who instead of being 4 or 5 looks at least 8 now that she's standing up, and the scene is the same. She gets up (spunk?) and walks down the aisle of the plane when she hears...wait for it.... a cell phone...... but that can't be, but it is....it's a nightmare.... and she picks it up, now looking at least 10 and says please help me etc., and the voice on the other end is Moriarty and the scene fades away to Sherlock's apartment and he and Mycroft and Dr. Watson are seconds from jumping out the window from a bomb blast which blows up their apartment.

I scanned forward and there are other flashback scenes to the plane, she's sitting up with the dead pilot watching London come closer and closer and Sherlock is anxious to help and is going to try to talk her down, but somehow it isn't her? It's a nightmare, an hallucination? Mind control? Apparently the idea is it's Euros, Sherlock's maniacal sister (none of the Homes family are normal) and it's somehow her ability to speak to him in a child's voice and...uh....create these dreams or his imagining of same so he can rescue her from being....lonely ? Or insane? It doesn't say how she is able to enter his dreams, if she has. I just watched the end of it, but it's HER, she's lost, and he is supposed to talk her down.

She's really criminally insane, and is therefore locked up, and I'm not going further as there are a LOT of revelations, lest it spoil the plot if somebody wants to know how the ends tie up (a lot of people have discussed this online) So there IS no little girl on the plane answering a cell phone for Pete's sake which has Moriarty on the other end. hahahaha

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4671 on:** December 23, 2020, 08:27:10 PM »

well that sure puts a different twist on the whole thing doesn't it - still though my kick here of late is the dependency thing - I want to see folks roll up their sleeves and do something to make their life different or to make the best of what they have and where they are -

I'm sure the attitudes I'm observing about this covid thing is getting under my skin... Even my sister, with two degrees mistakenly believes, yes, believes that wearing a mask is protecting her rather than the other way around... with all the TV short documentaries showing the affect with and without a mask and how wearing one affects others and still there are people who are looking at the mask as if it were self-protection - I do think though there ought to be as many TV bits telling us how ti improve our immunity system and what to load up on that will help us.

Finished up that chit chat Christmas book with knitting as the center piece - surprise - it really was far more involved then the average chic read - notice Amazon Prime Book Bites or whatever that daily list of specials is called - anyhow they had two historical novels 'free' - one in Roman times and the other in Tudor times - I did not download either though - I have so many i have not read yet and the excerpts did not tickle my 'read me' button - What I did download is Murder at an Irish Christmas by Carlene O'Connor - evidently she writes many mysteries that take place in Ireland - Had not heard of her but this sounds interesting - my guess is and based on the cover it is a cozy - which is fine with me -

Cold front pushing through and so I covered my outside faucets and battened down for the cold just in time - thought we had till sometime tomorrow mid morning but nope it is barrelling through now - Had to go back out and turn the trash cans so the wind would not toss them - the lids were already blown back - tomorrow is trash pickup day. And so I can settle in tonight hearing the wind with a hot cup of chocolate and an Irish mystery...

ginny · « **Reply #4672 on:** December 24, 2020, 08:24:02 AM »

Well, that's just it. After a night of reflection one realizes that she was standing behind the pilot and totally helpless and Sherlock asks can you see anything and she says yes, a big wheel .....so they are barreling toward London at a high speed and increasingly low altitude and he is pacing and trying to talk calmly and you can see he's going to try to talk her down.

But the MIND boggles...what is she going to do, grab the pilot who is slumped forward, obstructing the controls and throw him out of the seat? Try to raise him up enough to sit in his lap? He looks a good sized man for a little girl to manhandle. It's brilliant in a way, it's that sort of nightmarish helplessness on the part of everybody: the girl, Sherlock, the pilot.... It's like despite the best of intentions and actions some things are simply not possible and that's what makes it a nightmare. It's brilliant, really, as a torture , and there's more than this one crisis. He has to choose whom to help on two different equally conflicting situations.

ginny · « **Reply #4673 on:** December 24, 2020, 09:54:48 AM »

On a brighter note I've been watching I Love Lucy reruns, believe it or not, they mentioned a date from the 50's, can it really be that old? At any rate it's a cute and funny 25 minutes if that. There's this ME channel running all the old things. Really old things. Some of them have not bridged the ages, not sure on the Honeymooners, never was comfortable with that pow right in the kisser stuff, but some are still light and funny entertainment. They have Dragnet and Green Acres and Gilligan's Island, and Andy Griffith, Columbo, The Waltons, and The Twilight Zone, among others.

In Edit: Yes, it is that old: "I Love Lucy is an American television sitcom that originally aired on CBS from October 15, 1951, to May 6, 1957, with a total of 180 half-hour episodes spanning six seasons."

jane · « **Reply #4674 on:** December 24, 2020, 02:30:39 PM »

Barbara...maybe your sister heard about masks protecting the wearer, too, from the CDC and NPR. "CDC now says masks protect wearers from Covid-19 - CNN
www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/health/masks-cdc-updated-guidance/index.htmlhttps://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/health/masks-cdc-updated-guidance/index.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/11/933903848/wear-masks-to-protect-yourself-from-the-coronavirus-not-only-others-cdc-stresses

I don't really care what those who wear them believe...I'm just pleased they do. So many still don't here.

jane

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4675 on:** December 24, 2020, 03:47:32 PM »

hmm Jane even the wearing of masks has become a controversy - sheesh - well we will get through this -

We're in lockdown again - I figured as much with the usual family holiday gatherings - thank God for Zoom - now that i have it, easily said - right - oh how quickly we take advantage and think everyone has the same -

I wear a mask in stores and the like because it is mandatory but frankly I am one of those who thinks this is all political when I see the percentage compared to population and so many shops and restaurants going out of business and how the many who protest in the streets do not get sick - none of it makes sense to me so I am riding along hanging on to the tail of a tiger and hope the tiger gets tired before too long...

Evidently big marches and major protests with thousands of doctors in the streets in covid hospital gear in Austria, Switzerland and Germany - so who knows any longer what is true and what is political

My nephew, his wife and their 5 year old just moved out of NY back to Texas because of all this and his wife, who is a nurse and was hired to nurse at one of Baylor, Scott and White new locations, was beside herself over the idea it would be mandatory to vaccinate their little one - she is in good company here since the entire state of Texas nurses refused the vaccine - what a mess -

I know i have not been able to tolerate a flu shot - I used to get ill each year - at first a day then two days with flu like symptoms - it turned out the dosage uses an egg base process and I am allergic to eggs which is probably why I was getting so ill - so now without any information made public about the process used for this vaccine I am not risking it - with my lungs I do not need a day or so of covid symptoms.

It is like the Sherlock movie you are describing Ginny - looking at the panel of knobs and buttons on a plane and having no clue what any of them do - knowing your life is dependent on making the right choice however, the pros guiding your choice all have a different opinion as to what knob to turn or pull or what button to mash down.

It appears all we have to watch on TV are old movies so I may as well chose from Amazon and watch what I missed or enjoyed the first time - here there is not even midnight mass on TV - NBC said they were going to broadcast but I guess they changed their minds --- looks like I will bring in Christmas by reading and listening to music - I've my candles and small tree also a stollen so what more could I ask for... Merry Christmas !

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #4676 on:** December 24, 2020, 04:03:23 PM »

rosemarykaye · « **Reply #4677 on:** December 26, 2020, 12:24:36 PM »

Oh my goodness Ginny, I remember that Sherlock episode now. I don't think I could watch it again, though I do think Mark Gatiss is a fabulous writer.

I've never watched Jurassic Park in any form. I am the opposite of you Tomereader, I hate anything scary, and I get more and more averse to it as I get older. Too much stress!

And I also remember watching I Love Lucy on TV as a child. I was not alive in 1957 so I suppose the UK TV channels, such as they were in those days, must've just repeated them ad nauseam. I enjoyed them at the time, though I would have had no idea how anyone in the US lived.

Barb - I take your point about dependency, but I think the problem is that films, TV programmes, etc simply cannot show children being independent and feisty because they would have endless grief from people telling them they must not entice children into dangerous situations. I suppose the world is a more dangerous place than it was in our childhoods, or even in my children's childhoods, but I also think there are some parents now who feel they have to protect their children from absolutely everything - they feel they have failed as parents if they don't remove every possible risk from their children's lives. I don't know quite why this is. Is it because they feel that the rest of their own lives are so out of their control? I do wonder then, how children's authors can write anything exciting - and I suppose that's why people like JK Rowling set their stories in fantasy lands, just as Enid Blyton set some of hers in boarding schools. Stories like E Nesbit's (The Railway Children, The Treasure Seekers) simply could not happen any more - children would never be allowed to get anywhere near a railway line (occasionally teenagers do, and with tragic results) and nor would they be allowed to roam around the London suburbs trying to devise ways to make money to help their widowed father manage the finances. The film Stand By Me is another one that could only happen in times past. If a group of boys disappeared on an expedition (let alone one to find a corpse!) now, the police would be looking for them in no time. (And remember the trek across the massive railway bridge, and what happens when the train appears round the corner?!!)

Compared to most parents of the time, my own were very over-protective - it did not do me any good at all, quite the opposite, and I have tried to be as hands-off as possible with my own. As I may have mentioned before, I used to get lots of flack from other mothers for letting my elder daughter, then aged about 7, walk home from school alone (she wanted to, I didn't make her!) This was two streets away, plenty of people around, and traffic lights at the one junction she had to cross. One mother actually came right out and informed me that Anna was 'much too young' to be trusted with this. (I still let her!) This woman's own boys could not have been trusted to wipe their own noses, but it depends so much on the child. Anna was always exceptionally independent, my others less so, though I still tried to encourage them to take the initiative, and now as adults I think this shows, they are able to make their own decisions, even though they sometimes flatter me by asking my opinion

Re the vaccine, I think everyone has to make their own mind up, but I just wanted to say that the BBC has a very informative Q & A thing on its website, and one of the questions was about the egg issue - they said that these new vaccines are not cultured in any egg products, so people who are allergic to eggs should not experience any problems. A friend who is a senior nurse at our hospital had her vaccine last week, and my ambulanceman son gets his on 7th January. He is not at all worried about it.

Masks have been mandatory here in shops, restaurants, etc and on public transport for some time. There is almost 100% compliance in my area.

Getting back to films, I have recorded the 1946 David Lean adapatation of Oliver Twist, and I see that Nicholas Nickleby will also be shown next week. I've never even read the latter, so I might watch this one too.

Rosemary

Frybabe · « **Reply #4678 on:** December 26, 2020, 01:23:01 PM »

Good to know about the eggless vaccines, RosemaryKaye. I developed an allergy to them a while back, so my doctor doesn't even give me a Tetanus booster anymore. Funny thing, though, I don't get a reaction to eating eggs.

The fifth season of The Expanse is available now on Amazon. I need to remember to watch Episode 4, which released on Wednesday. Otherwise, I've been pretty much sticking to skimming over YouTube goodies. I found some clips about how various musicians came up with lyrics for their songs. Here is an example, Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si1718YxJC8 Another, this one is sad, about Time in a Bottle by Jim Croce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNPbavw50T8

ginny · « **Reply #4679 on:** December 27, 2020, 09:56:05 AM »

That Olive and Mabel mentioned in the Library is so cute, isn't it? It reminds me of our own black labs, we never had a yellow but they are wonderful dogs. I miss them sometimes. We are, for the first time in 53 years, without animals here, but I doubt we could handle one now, but they are such fun.

I've been watching a lot of Caesar Millan, the "Dog Whisperer" and he was in the UK for one segment to help dog owners there who I thought ordinarily had wonderful control over their dogs, apparently not, and it's interesting the changes he brings about.

He's on the National Geographic Channel here also with the Veterinarian Dr. Pol series which has some naysayers, that one is hard to watch sometimes. I couldn't be a Vet: too squeamish.

One thing I have noticed among UK black lab owners is their dogs have the most shining coats I've ever seen. They are marvels of what should be, anyway. Of course our dogs were primarily outside dogs, which does make a difference, (or that's my excuse, anyway). They are a happy long lived breed.

I am still having a daily does of Michael Portillo in the Great British Railways, but Youtube has his Season 11, November 2020, episode 1, if anybody would like to look at it while it's up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE2bT2MT3sE

It's a lot different from what I've been watching, louder, brassier, more edgy, music is different, but he's right away on the Venerable Bede and is going into Scotland, so I'm looking forward to moving with the times as I'm still in 2015 now in the series.

This morning the Guardian ran a series on the most popular TV of the Pandemic, and there are two here I thought I'd look at, one on Netfilx, Selling Sunset, which I'm shocked to see is in it's 3rd year about the rich and famous of LA apparently, another reality show, don't know how far I'll get in it, and one called Ghosts which is apparently akin to Horrible Histories which I love and which is on BBC player which we do NOT get and it was in pursuit of it on youtube (not there) which led me to Great British Railways, which is apparently new. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/dec/25/from-jude-law-in-the-sea-to-bemused-vampires-readers-tv-hits-of-lockdown?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Othe

Rosemary, you asked somewhere about an interview you saw on Bleak House behind the scenes? No I don't have the Bleak House with the interviews, and I LOVE those extras, I must look and see where I can get one. I thought the background extras for the original Brideshead were about as interesting as anything I had ever seen.

I thought I had seen all the I Love Lucy episodes, as you say they were repeated for years, but I am finding I either missed a bunch of them or have no memory because some of them are new to me, anyway. At any rate it's the '50's in all its "innocence" portrayed which is so interesting, a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. The Eisenhower years. Suburbia. There's also Dragnet which is surprisingly good. I may be awash in nostalgia.

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