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PatH

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« Reply #2560 on: October 13, 2015, 10:32:25 AM »
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PatH

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« Reply #2561 on: October 13, 2015, 10:32:58 AM »
He definitely can stand up to rereading.

Steph

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« Reply #2562 on: October 14, 2015, 09:23:48 AM »
yes, he is comforting to me.. All of the old familiar characters and I do like Sam Vimes and his merry crew..Stressful two days and he helps me deal.
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Frybabe

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« Reply #2563 on: October 14, 2015, 10:28:10 AM »
Hi Steph, glad you got back okay.

Steph

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« Reply #2564 on: October 15, 2015, 09:07:19 AM »
back,,, fine but way too tired. Think the 10 hour back trip is getting way hard for me..
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« Reply #2565 on: October 15, 2015, 01:42:39 PM »
The new John Scalzi book, The End of All Things, just arrived at the library. Of course, I was really quick to check it out.

Steph

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« Reply #2566 on: October 18, 2015, 09:42:16 AM »
I cannot even concentrate on the Terry Pratchett.. just get too too tired.
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PatH

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« Reply #2567 on: October 18, 2015, 10:26:29 AM »
Wow, that's extreme.

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« Reply #2568 on: October 19, 2015, 08:47:39 AM »
I know.. had a complicated summer, finally picked the Fifth Elephant back up, found a truly laugh until I could not breathe section and am back on track.
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« Reply #2569 on: October 19, 2015, 09:01:30 AM »
Preliminary report on The End of All Things: This one is being narrated by the pilot who, at the end of the last book, was kidnapped and than turned into "a brain in a box". I had forgotten about that. Anyhow, since then I had read Anne McCaffrey's The Ship Who Sang, so it is reminding of that book. All in all, it seems a little less than I am used to from Scalzi's Old Man's War series and even The Human Division which is its direct predecessor.

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« Reply #2570 on: October 19, 2015, 11:26:49 PM »
I agree. I was somewhat underwhelmed, but I still read it through rather quickly.

Steph

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« Reply #2571 on: October 20, 2015, 08:55:16 AM »
Anne McCaffrey and all of her works, but especially The Ship who sang. Rang deep vibrations in my chest.. She said she had written it when her Dad died and I do understand.. She was a wonderful writer, but do not like her sons continuations since he is heavily into war stuff.
Finished the Fifth Elephant and laughed and laughed.Sam is such a wonderful character. and the Dwarves are too too much.
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« Reply #2572 on: October 20, 2015, 01:26:43 PM »
That was the Pratchett my f2f book club chose to read.  It's a good one, and I hadn't yet read it then.

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« Reply #2573 on: October 21, 2015, 08:49:41 AM »
Pratchett is my mental health writer. He always makes me laugh andlook at life a bit less seriously.
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« Reply #2574 on: October 24, 2015, 12:55:03 PM »
I needed a Pratchett fix, so I'm rereading Thud, and came across this, which amused me.

Vimes had never got on with any game much more complex than darts.  Chess in particular had always annoyed him.  It was the dumb way the pawns went off and slaughtered their fellow pawns while the kings lounged about doing nothing that always got to him; if only the pawns united, maybe talked the rooks around, the whole board could've been a republic in a dozen moves.

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« Reply #2575 on: October 25, 2015, 09:16:17 AM »
Having suffered through being taught chess by my husband at least a dozen times and never gripping the war part, I love it.
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« Reply #2576 on: October 26, 2015, 06:53:58 AM »
Well, I just finished Gust Front (by John Ringo) last night. Interesting reading, if a little slow getting through the details at times. After I finished I discovered maps of the Fredricksburg, VA, DC, and areas in between and a glossary at the end. Fine time to find them. The first book centered ground fighting on other planets and felt more SciFi than this second of series. This one is about the initial invasion of our planet and particularly the US.

The main character (Mike O'Neal), prominent in the first book, took a "back seat" in this one. Each chapter covers several different units or individuals in vignette form during particular time periods. The units followed were mostly engineering, infantry, mortar, and tank. Ringo covered: weaponry, some logistics, tactics, battle fatigue and desertion, miscommunications (including hacked software and lack of proper coordination), civilians and their reluctance to evacuate until the very last minute which caused huge traffic jams, poor command decisions, poorly trained troops, oh, just about everything that could go wrong. In detail! There are also references to other battles and other heroes from different wars as well as a few more Rudyard Kipling poems. Mr. Ringo wrote at the end about his father (WWII vet, Army Corp of Engineers) and the role Rudyard Kipling's works played in his life. Moving.

There are at least nine books in the series covering a span of at least five years of fighting on Earth. One or more of these follow O'Neal's daughter, Callie, who eventually becomes an assassin. In Gust Front she is still only eight but already can set demolition charges as well as handle a gun and rifle.

Now I have to forgo SciFi for a week or so to start reading The Cellist of Sarajevo and All Quiet on the Western Front.

Steph, I haven't played chess in years. That was the only game I hated losing.
 

Steph

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« Reply #2577 on: October 26, 2015, 08:48:28 AM »
I love Pratchett and Sam Vimes and I could be best friends, so I loved his take on chess.
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Frybabe

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« Reply #2578 on: November 07, 2015, 05:04:30 PM »
Pat, you wanted to know about the Scifi I just finished, so here goes.

It is yet another first of series called Starship Eternal (War Eternal Book 1) by M. R. Forbes. It starts out with a 12 (if I remember right) year old girl who is determined to travel the stars. Fast forward four hundred years with a new set of characters, but fear not, they do intersect. The main character is a starfighter pilot, who finds himself a hero not because he really was one, but because he was (gee where have we read this scenario before) the only survivor of a squadron that successfully blew up an alien battleship, and the brass wanted a hero to float in front of the masses for recruitment purposes. Of course he gets in trouble and finds himself on the run with a mystery to solve. While on the run he meets someone who explains a little about the eternal loop of time and repeated history that I mentioned in Cellist. He ends up with a very unlikely, and very black ops crew of a salvage/mining ship. That is about as much of a possible spoiler as I will give here.

The unconventional crew our erstwhile hero meets up with is a stretch nor did I particularly take to the hero at first. Overly gorgeous guys who think with other parts than their brains (an yes that is what got him in trouble) do not turn me on. But it was a good vehicle to force him to concentrate on the mystery the was niggling at his brain. I was fully prepared not to like them or the rest of the book, but it turned out fairly interesting. I cannot see it holding my interest through more than a second book, though. Three are out and it looks like, from the blurb, that it isn't the end. Somehow, I don't think I want to read "eternal" sequels on this one. This first of series ebook is a freebie through Amazon, maybe others.

Frybabe

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« Reply #2579 on: November 07, 2015, 05:21:23 PM »
I've started Reading The Legacy Code #1 (Fractured Era Series) after reading several of the prequel and shorts.The prequel and shorts follow separate people who do not interact. The connection between them seems to be that some people were genetically modified to be immune from diseases, but in doing so, a defect was introduced into them. The procedure was banned. Anyone who was so treated was tagged and separated from the general population, often to be a source of lab experiments and, I think, a source of antibodies against diseases for the general population. At least, that is what I got from the prequels and shorts. The first of series book is set in a fleet of colony ships. And here, too, there seems to be a problem with reproduction. I am not far enough in to see what connection it has to the others I read. It is an okay read, not at all technical.

The shorts are worth reading if you are interested in genetic modification type SciFi. Again nothing technical, they are more about the humans involved. Defect # Legacy Code Prequel and 318: Fractured Era Prequel Story. Both are free ebooks.

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« Reply #2580 on: November 09, 2015, 11:00:11 AM »
Frybabe, your mention of time as looping back on itself, with the possibility of being modified, got me started on some internet looking.  I had come across the term "The Worm Ouroboros", or the worm of time, used to describe this kind of cycle, and it occurred to me that I didn't actually know where the term came from.  It turns out it's a fantasy novel, The Worm Ouroboros, written in 1922 by E. R. Eddison.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/e/e-r-eddison/

It's full of sorcery, battles between rival rulers, wizards, good guys and bad guys, if you can tell them apart, a whiff of the sagas, etc.  Here's a summary of the labyrinthine plot:

http://www.liquisearch.com/the_worm_ouroboros/plot

As nearly as I can figure out, the worm of time only comes in at the end.  The battles are over, but the remaining characters are unhappy because there are no deeds left to do or warriors left to conquer who are worthy of their great valor.  So one of the characters manages to reset time back four years to the start of the book.

It's highly admired, but the sort of thing I don't usually have patience for.  I see that Eddison also translated Egil's Saga, the story of the sociopathic Icelandic warrior, murderer, and greatly admired poet, so you can see where he's coming from.

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« Reply #2581 on: November 09, 2015, 11:24:29 AM »
So, this Egil person was supposed to be real even though there isn't any historical data?

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« Reply #2582 on: November 09, 2015, 11:58:27 AM »
Yes, he was evidently a real person, though known mostly through the saga.  I only brought him up here because the fact that Eddison could translate the saga from Icelandic shows a really serious interest in that sort of thing.

But Egil is an interesting character, though not particularly likeable.  He was a berserker, and always getting into squabbles and killing people, but he was also one of Iceland's finest poets.  Unfortunately, the poems depend on extremely clever wordplays--puns and allusions, and linguistic tricks, so they don't translate well.  The only one that moves me is one mourning the death of his sons, describing the paradox that the gods took away his sons, causing his great grief, but they also gave him the gift of poetry, and it's through his poems that he is able to accept and come to terms with the grief.

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« Reply #2583 on: November 11, 2015, 08:14:54 AM »
Now for something a little different. It speaks to the spirit that drives mankind to explore new lands and the unknown places. That spirit continues to this day to whisper into ears of those who will listen and heed the call . I like it very much.

This is the opening poem to a book called Famous Discoverers and Explorers of America by Charles H. L. Johnston (1917).

THE VOICE

A voice came from the westward, it whispered a message clear,
And the dripping fog banks parted as the clarion tones drew near;
It spoke of shores untrodden, and it sang of mountains bold,
Of shimmering sands in distant lands which were covered with glittering gold.
It sang of hemlock forests, where the moose roamed, and the bear,
Where the eider bred near the cascade’s head, and the lucivee had his lair.
It praised the rushing water falls, it told of the salmon red,
Who swam in the spuming ripples by the rushing river’s head.
It chanted its praise of the languorous days which lay ’neath the shimmering sun,
Of the birch canoe and the Indian, too, who trapped in the forests dun.
Yea, it told of the bars of silver, and it whispered of emeralds green,
Of topaz, sapphire, and amethyst, which shone with a dazzling sheen.
Of warriors red with feathered head, of buffalo, puma, and deer,
Of the coral strand in a palm-tree land, and of dizzying mountains sheer.
And the voice grew louder and louder, and it fell upon listening ears,
Of the men who had heard strange music which was moistened with women’s tears.
Of the men who loved to wander, of the souls who cared to roam,
Whose bed was the hemlock’s branches, who rejoiced in the forest’s gloom.
Leif the Lucky, Magellan, deLeon and Cortés bold,
Cartier, Drake, and Franklin; Pizarro and Baffin, old;
Shackleton, Hudson, Roosevelt; brave Peary and gay Champlain,
Frémont, Lewis, Balboa; Verendrye, and the Cabots twain;
’Twas the voice that called them onward, ’twas the voice that is calling still,
And the voice will call ’till the end of it all, and the voice has a conquering will.

A lucivee is a wildcat spirit of northern Wabanaki folklore.

Steph

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« Reply #2584 on: November 11, 2015, 08:25:26 AM »
Hmm,. all those times, I have seen the phrase of the Worm.. never knew where it came from.Interesting..
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« Reply #2585 on: November 23, 2015, 08:38:32 AM »
Oh my! Look what I just found. My Penguin Random House newsletter brought my attention to author R. M. Meluch (never heard of him before) and his newest book.

Oh My! The Roman Empire never fell, it just went underground according to the author intro to his first book. Click on the green cover (Tour of the Merrimack: The Myriad/Wolf Star) to read his introduction to the series. Now you know how much I like military SciFi and Latin. http://rmmeluch.com/ What a combo.

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« Reply #2586 on: November 23, 2015, 11:24:19 AM »
Oh my is right.  Frybabe, you've got to check it out.  If they're any good, it's a real find.

When I was growing up, I read some books by L. Sprague de Camp in which a modern man gets transported back to some historical period and has to cope.  One, Lest Darkness Fall, 1941, deals with a history professor, transported back to Rome, trying to prevent the fall of the Empire.  I don't remember if he succeeded.  I should dig up my old paperback and check it out--it's probably pretty tame by current standards.

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« Reply #2587 on: November 23, 2015, 10:55:08 PM »
I read one earlier this year about a Special Unit of the Swiss Guards that got transported back to Rome during the reign of Augustus. It was good, but I have been avoiding spending money on books, so I haven't bought the sequels. Now that I've reminded myself of that, I'll have to see if the Free Library of Philadelphia has any of them.

Finished reading The Syn-En Solution. Interesting story about a society of three classes of humans: pure humans who were the Citizens, humans that had prostheses, often forced on them as punishment, and cyborgs, those who were taken or orphaned as babies and were subjected to extensive operations such that they were mostly machine with a human brain. The last group were brought up to be soldiers to protect and serves the others. The last group were offended treated as nonhuman. They were also a rather horny bunch. Not a book I'd let the youngsters read.



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« Reply #2588 on: November 24, 2015, 08:37:22 AM »
I loved DeCamp and he did have fun with transporting his professor back to odder times.. I can remember one that sent him back to the Viking gods...Really neat.
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« Reply #2589 on: November 24, 2015, 09:37:34 AM »
I remember that one too.  It was pretty funny.  The professor had trouble fitting in with thr rough warrior types.

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« Reply #2590 on: November 25, 2015, 08:37:56 AM »
I had not thought of DeCamp for years. I did love the alternate history things of his..
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« Reply #2591 on: November 26, 2015, 06:56:49 AM »
I've started Robert J. Sawyer's WWW: Wake which is the first of a trilogy about the beginnings of a sentient machine presence. So far, it features a blind girl who may, farther on in reading, undergo experimental surgery to regain her eyesight and a nasty strain of H5N1 bird flu outbreak in China. I haven't gotten far enough to find out what the connection is, nor can I guess at this point.

While the chapters, so far, are focused on humans, each is prefaced with lines that appear to be the sentient presence awakening. They are almost poetic. From the first chapter:
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Not darkness, for that implies an understanding of light.
Not silence, for that suggests a familiarity with sound.
Not loneliness, for that requires knowledge of others.
But still, faintly, so tenuous that if it were any less it wouldn't exist at all: awareness.
Nothing more than that. Just awareness--a vague, ethereal sense of being.
Being...but not becoming. No marking of time, no past or future--only an endless, featureless now, and, just barely there in that boundless moment, inchoate and raw, the dawning of perception.

I think that is beautiful. A thought: is this how a fetus "feels" on its journey to personhood?

The other book I brought home is one of Ben Bova's short story collections.






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« Reply #2592 on: November 26, 2015, 01:07:30 PM »
That'll be a contrast, if it's like the Bova I've read.  He's more nuts and bolts space travel.  Rescue Modewhich came out a little over a year ago, is a similar situation to The Martian, though it's a meteor-damaged spaceship that hasto land on Mars and be rescued or not.

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« Reply #2593 on: November 29, 2015, 11:24:58 AM »
That is beautiful indeed.
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« Reply #2594 on: November 29, 2015, 12:43:50 PM »
Okay, I'm a little farther on in Wake. The author refers to Julian Jaynes and his book, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Jaynes

Now, I'm not going to try to explain that except that Jaynes developed a theory of the evolution of consciousness stating that humans didn't develop consciousness of self until about 3000 years ago. Up until then, apparently, whenever anyone prior to then heard a voice inside their head they believed the gods were speaking to them, like an auditory hallucination, rather than realizing that they were thinking to themselves. The theory is controversial, but it did spark renewed study of auditory hallucinations with regard to mental illness, and again, in the 90's, when brain imaging seemed to confirm some of his predictions. The book is still in print. Lots of stuff on YouTube http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=81.0;last_msg=270546 and the Julian Jaynes Society of Consciousness http://www.julianjaynes.org/julian-jaynes-theory-overview.php
 
In all the time I studied for an undergraduate degree in Psychology, I don't believe I ever ran across Jaynes. My guess is that I would have run across him in graduate classes, had I gone on.

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« Reply #2595 on: December 01, 2015, 08:18:27 PM »
I've decided to give up on "Wake". Mr. Sawyer seems to come from the same school of writing as Neal Stephenson. The book is a bit too detailed for me right now. Once upon a time I would have been much more interested in visual anatomy and development, as well as theories of consciousness. At least he broke his story up into three books, unlike Stephenson.

Started on Ben Bova' s NEW FRONTIERS. The first story was a fun read centered around a golf course on the moon.

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« Reply #2596 on: December 09, 2015, 05:18:26 PM »
Just thought I'd mention: my TV weakness is the TV small claims court cases: supposedly real people not acting. There was a contract case by a woman who was paid to appear at zombie conventions and had been stiffed her fee. She was a former star in zombie movies. I don't see many zombies, but she was the most bubbly (and well endowed) zombie I'd ever seen. Is this the new zombie-ism?

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« Reply #2597 on: December 09, 2015, 06:43:55 PM »
Zombie films, TV series, and books are quite popular now. Not my cup of tea. I skip those that include post-apocalypse themes that include zombies.  :P

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« Reply #2598 on: December 10, 2015, 08:40:02 AM »
Reading the latest Alpha and Omega book in Patricia Briggs series. She was recently hurt by one of her horses, and will not be writing for several months. The book goes into Arabian horses and the show world as well as the fantasy.. Excellent.  I read somewhere the Childhoods End by Arthur Clarke is being made into either a movie or a tv series. I remember loving the book,, must look it up again.
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« Reply #2599 on: December 10, 2015, 11:26:22 AM »
Steph, yes, the SYFY channel will bring Childhood's end to TV in a 3 part (6 hour) miniseries Mon.-Wed. Dec. 14-16, at 8 p.m. I've read that they've made quite a few changes from the book for the tv adaptation.

After the last episode they will show the first episode of an adaptation of Lev Grossman's  MAGICIANS trilogy. See http://www.avclub.com/article/syfy-air-first-episode-magicians-after-end-childho-229538