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mabel1015j

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« Reply #2720 on: September 06, 2014, 01:41:13 PM »


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I'm reading 3 non-fiction books in bits and pieces, you know, you pick them up and put them down from time to time..........

A Helen Keller bio. She was so much more than a person who overcame unimaginable physical limitations, altho i still haven't figured out how she did even that, let alone being involved in many social movements as an adult.

Carry Me Home by McWhorter, a history of Birmingham civil rights movement by a dgt of Birmingham.

Alice Paul:Claiming Power, the story of APs life of working for the women's suffrage movement up until 1920.

Publishing companies are getting my ire as they publish indepth books with a lot of information in the smallest print possible so as to not have to add pages. Those last two books are printed that way, which is one of the reasons that i'm reading in bits and pieces. It's tiring to read and, surprisingly, i find i comprehend less quickly with less white space around words. I know, that's a good reason to read them on my ipad, but i wanted these two hands-on books in my library.

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« Reply #2721 on: September 10, 2014, 11:16:45 PM »
Nlhome, I found the big problem with Team of Rivals was the way she chops and changes among the four rivals at the start, so it's hard to keep them straight.  I kept a little log, and it was a big help until I eventually sorted them out.

If you went to see Lincoln's grave, you probably drove by the spot where my husband's parents are buried and I recently buried my brother in law.

Did you see New Salem?  I think it's important in understanding Lincoln's greatness to see how he started out.

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« Reply #2722 on: September 16, 2014, 02:24:51 PM »
PatH, thanks for the suggestions. I will need something, as my reading time is seriously limited right now and there are gaps of time when I can't read for my own purposes. A log is a good idea.

We did not have time to get to New Salem - our other purpose in making the trip was to pick up a puppy, and that limited our time (and my husband's span of attention).

The cemetery was beautiful, and we were there early in the day so it was very peaceful. I'm sorry for your loss.

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« Reply #2723 on: September 25, 2014, 11:43:52 AM »
I'm reading a terrific recent nonfiction book, FLASH BOYS; A WALL STREET REVOLT.  It's easy to read for dummies about Wall Street, like me.
 
The book description says, "Flash Boys is about a small group of Wall Street guys who figure out that the U.S. stock market has been rigged for the benefit of insiders and that, post-financial crisis, the markets have become not more free but less, and more controlled by the big Wall Street banks. Working at different firms, they come to this realization separately; but after they discover one another, the flash boys band together and set out to reform the financial markets.  The characters in Flash Boys are fabulous, each completely different from what you think of when you think "Wall Street   Flash Boys is an uplifting read. Here are people who have somehow preserved a moral sense in an environment where you don't get paid for that; they have perceived an institutionalized injustice and are willing to go to war to fix it."

Marj
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« Reply #2724 on: September 26, 2014, 04:49:12 PM »
I'm sampling a strange book: "The grapes of Math" by Alex Bellos. Strange facts about numbers. Really strange, like the emotional responses we have to certain numbers. (Many people have a favorite number: do you?). Natural pattern numbers make.

Not a book I can read straight through, but fun to dip into.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #2725 on: November 13, 2014, 02:36:13 AM »
I've just finished Jeane Slone's She Was an American Spy During WWII. The writing was not good, but the story was very interesting. It is a fictional account of several women who were spies in Vichy France. The story focuses on an American woman whose husband was fighting in the war, so she felt free to become involved in the Intelligence Service. Yes, it is fiction, but i thought it was close enough to fact to put it in this discussion and there is a very good bibliography, as i mention later in this reply.

There is a lot of information about her training, although, like the title of the book, written in a straight-forward, minimalist narrative. At the end of the fiction account she describes the real women the fictional sketches portrayed, and what happened to them after the war, or at the end of their lives.

There is also an extensive bibliography, most of which i assume was non-fiction. I'm glad she added that because this book whet my appetite for reading the real stories of women spies. I knew there were some newly published ones in the last decade.

It was one if the free ebooks on Amazon. I'll check to see if it is still free. If it s not, i'm sure it's very inexpensive.
Yes, it is still free and she has two other one's also free - one was She Built Ships During WWII, and one was She Flew Bombers in WWII

oops! Correction! The books are free to Kindle Unlimited Or Amazon Prime patrons. For the rest of us they are $4.99

Jean

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« Reply #2726 on: November 13, 2014, 03:53:46 PM »
Just picked up a book "What happened to the Metric System: or How America Kept its Feet." Has anyone read it?

mabel1015j

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« Reply #2727 on: November 14, 2014, 02:33:47 PM »
Haven't read it Joan, but i would be interested also in what happened to the idea of USA using the metric system. I was just discussing that with my grandson. ........ Love the title.

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« Reply #2728 on: November 14, 2014, 03:21:48 PM »
I'll let you know. it promises a complex tale.

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« Reply #2729 on: November 14, 2014, 03:43:06 PM »
It's wonderful to see non-fiction still being read, even if it seems a bit borderline. DGMW. As a Canadian I still get a thrill driving across the border and watching the miles go by. Of course the whole world wonders why the US has not gone metric. Is it because your sentimental about miles? Robert Frost has that famous line about 'miles to go', and I'm looking at William Buckley's literary autobiography: Miles Gone By. I believe the two were good friends and had similiar goals.

What I do regret is those neigbors, or is it cousins, who drive into Canada, see a sign MAX SPEED 100, thrilled to see the miles fly by, get caught in a speed trap....alas! ps 100 kph converts to 65 MPH.

She Was An American Spy That looks interesting, Jean. And it reminds me of another book on my shelf I've been meaning to read. Spymistress, by William Stevenson. Is it mentioned in the bibliography in your book? Vera Atkins is described in the subtitle as 'The Greatest Female Secret Agent of World War II. And on the flap: 'She recruited and trained several hundred agents, including dozens of women, whose objectives were to penetrate deep behind enemy lines, and local resistance fighters, destroy enemy targets, help Allied pilots evade capture, and radio vital information back to London.'

On the cover: 'In the real world of spies, Vera Atkins was the best.' Ian Fleming

Just flipping through it gets me excited. Absolutely. I suggest it for discussion. Anyone interested? How's this for a chapter heading: 'She Could Do Anything With Dynamite Except Eat It.' Only 8 pages. I wonder if something blew up prematurely?

mabel1015j

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« Reply #2730 on: November 15, 2014, 01:27:24 AM »
Yes, Spymistress is mentioned in the bibliography and Vera Atkins is mentioned in the epilogue of the book which describes the real agents that the characters in the fictional account portray. Her character's name in the book is Vivian Armstrong. She was the major recruiter of women for the French section of the SOE ( Special Ops Exec - spies who worked with the French underground) After the war she went to Germany with the British War Crimes Commission to discover what had happened to 18 agents who had disappeared. She visited concentration camps and interrogated guards and found out what had happened to all but one of the agents.

In March 1946 she interrogated Rudoph Hoess ( that's the way it's spelled in this account). One of the German agents who "wrecked havoc on the French resistence" said she was the most effective interrogator he had seen, so he and Ian Fleming were in agreement.

In 1987 she was appointed Commandant of the Legion of Honor, i'm not sure what that entailed.

Yes, Jonathan i would be interested in reading that book.

Jean

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« Reply #2731 on: November 15, 2014, 05:28:08 PM »
Thanks for the information, Jean.  I had a feeling that the amazing career of Vera Atkins might have inspired a part of Jeane Slone's book. I'm going to look for it. In the meantime I'm finding Spymistress a wild intelligence jigsaw. Rudolf Hoess appears late in the book. I get the impression he was the Kommandant at Auschwitz. Not the Rudolf Hess who flew off to England early in the war and was then convicted at Nurenberg after the war.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #2732 on: November 15, 2014, 10:29:00 PM »
Oh, Jonathan, that makes sense. I just jumped to the conclusion that it was jusr a different spelling of Hess. Thanks for catching that

Jean

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« Reply #2733 on: November 16, 2014, 04:48:54 PM »
I got a sample of "Spymistress." It makes my head spin by jumping from one subject to another. Not sure I'll read it.

Similar problem with "Whatever happened to the metric System?" he's following the development of measures, by jumping around through history. It'll be a while before I know the answer to the question.

I have found out that some of the people who fought to keep our present system did so on the grounds that the metric system was based on "things" While OUR system was based on people! (Nothing like bringing in irrelevant emotions).

I knew the "foot" was based on, well, the size of a foot. Didn't realize that the yard is the length of an armspan and a furlong is the length from fingertip to middle of chest. (of course all sizes measured with men!). So men carry their own measuring system with them. (Women are out of luck).

But now I'm reading how Thomas Jefferson developed the first money system based on the decimal system. 

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« Reply #2734 on: November 16, 2014, 05:13:15 PM »
JoanK I remember those measurements always used when Mom purchased fabric and even when I first started to sew for my family - actually measuring sticks I do not remember being used till someplace in the 1960s - the thumb was an inch and the forearm was a foot and you measured a room by walking measuring your steps since feet were less than a foot so a short step did the trick - and yards were from shoulder to fingers and those who gave extra extended their fingers to the edge of the middle finger - nothing very accurate but then we did not have industrial counters corralling pennies to dollars and good will was more important than advertising.
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« Reply #2735 on: November 16, 2014, 06:48:59 PM »
BARB: I forgot the thumb. I posted backward above. A yard, as you say is a reach (from the center of the chest to the end of the index finger) and a furlong twice that: an arm span. But if a woman was cutting the clothe, you were being cheated. I measured a friend, and she's nowhere near a yard.

Now to measure my 6'4" son.

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« Reply #2736 on: November 16, 2014, 07:38:39 PM »
I always considered a yard from the tip of my nose to the fingertip at the end of my outstretched arm.  One of our lady basketball players has a 7 foot (!!!) "wingspan" (from fingertip to fingertip outstretched). 

Also, as a general rule, your height is equal to that wingspan - although this gal is "only" about 6'2".    :D
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mabel1015j

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« Reply #2737 on: November 26, 2014, 12:37:08 PM »

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« Reply #2738 on: December 02, 2014, 04:59:57 PM »
A non-fiction book is proposed for January: "The Boys in the Boat." Drop by, see what it's about, and let us know if you'd like to participate.

http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=4517.0

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« Reply #2739 on: December 02, 2014, 06:52:35 PM »
JoanK is it for January or February?
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« Reply #2740 on: December 03, 2014, 04:47:59 PM »
Oh my goodness, BARB! Thank you. I've corrected my post.

Frybabe

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« Reply #2741 on: December 15, 2014, 01:54:14 PM »
I just finished 13 Hours by by Mitchell Zuckoff and Annex Security Team.

Starting out with a bit of background about the team that tried to rescue Ambassador Stevens and the others at the US State Department Special Mission Compound in Benghazi as well as protecting the Annex during the attacks that followed, the book chronicles the events leading up to the attacks on through to the final evacuation. It is hard to believe that only 13 hours passed from the first report of the attack on the Special Mission Compound to the evacuation of the last American. What stands out for me are the attempts to rescue Amb. Stevens and Sean Smith, the mortar attack on the Annex, the difficulty the guys had of determining friend from foe, and the valor of the men who were determined to save as many Americans and other staff as they could knowing they were woefully under manned.

The book is neither political nor politically motivated. I am, however, having a hard time finding a review of the book that does not try to politicize it, and in some cases, point fingers.

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« Reply #2742 on: December 18, 2014, 05:04:45 PM »
A while back Frybabe described Stiff--The Curious lives of Human Cadavers.  I've got one to add to it: Working Stiff--Two Years, 262 Bodies, and the Making of a Medical Examiner, by Judy Melinek and T. J. Mitchell.  I wasn't the only one to read the favorable reviews; there was a long hold list at the library.  It's a very good job.  Melinek describes her two years at the New York City Medical Examiner's Office learning the job, flipping back and forth to other parts of her life, such as how her feelings when her father committed suicide helped her to find the right words to say to the families of suicides.  The co-author is her husband, a professional writer, but it's all told from her voice, though he appears a lot in the story.  She started in the summer of 2001, so she was still a rookie when 9/11 hit--a heartbreaking baptism of fire.

There are many sort of whodunit cases, in which she has to tease out what must have happened.

The book has one considerable drawback.  She describes many of the bodies in very accurate detail, including wounding, decomposition, etc, and sometimes what it must have been like to die that death.  She's being low-key, but if you don't have a VERY strong stomach, I don't recommend reading it.

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« Reply #2743 on: January 12, 2015, 08:55:46 AM »
Not quite sure just where to put this one, but here goes. I only asked for one specific book at Christmas.. Being Mortal by Atul Gawande. I started it yesterday, but I can see where I will have to be slow and patient with it. Too much and I just managed to depress myself as he described the descent of older humans in the last years. You find yourself standing in front of the mirror and trying to decide how many categories you fit into. Is anyone else reading it??
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« Reply #2744 on: January 12, 2015, 09:09:13 AM »
I just finished reading "Stiff".  Enlightening, but morbid in places. 
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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« Reply #2745 on: January 12, 2015, 10:49:26 AM »
Steph, I devoured Being Mortal!  And loaned it to everybody who would take it.  A couple of friends (with husbands with serious problems) had trouble getting to mid-book, but then found a lot of good in the latter part.  One of our daughters has it now, and I plan to pass it along to the rest of them before I re-read it.
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« Reply #2746 on: January 13, 2015, 09:13:14 AM »
OK.. I am not to midway yet, but I do hope for a little more cheerfulness.. I know I am old and I also know I have some of the problems, but at this point, I guess I are like Alice(?)  I just want to be independent.. and happy.,
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« Reply #2747 on: January 22, 2015, 06:26:20 AM »
Found the lovely coastal travelogue for nautical lovers of the south coast of England, From the North Foreland to Penzance by Clive Holland. It ends at Penzance, Cornwall. I didn't know Penzance was a real place.

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« Reply #2748 on: January 23, 2015, 08:30:28 AM »
On the last third of Being Mortal and much happier with his answers to problems. Now to find a place that is like that when I no longer want to be alone in the house.
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« Reply #2749 on: January 23, 2015, 08:32:49 AM »
Glad you found some value in it, Steph.
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marjifay

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« Reply #2750 on: January 30, 2015, 10:03:04 AM »
My favorite nonfiction book recently read was NO GOD BUT GOD; THE ORIGIN, EVOLUTION AND FUTURE OF ISLAM by Reza Aslan. A fascinating book about Islam.  Per New York Times review, “Wise and passionate . . . an incisive, scholarly primer in Muslim history and an engaging personal exploration.”  Especially interesting to me was his talk about how Islam now undergoing a reformation, just as Christianity once did.  Another excellent book by Aslan I read not long ago is THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JESUS OF NAZARETH.
Marge
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« Reply #2751 on: January 31, 2015, 09:00:26 AM »
The thing that disturbs me about Islam is the same problem I have with some forms of Christianity.. It simply is that everyone has their own form of belief and it is wrong to hold it against them.
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« Reply #2752 on: January 31, 2015, 02:12:04 PM »
Yes, that is what the author of these two books said in his interview on the Charlie Rose show - that we bring to and thus create our own version of religion that includes our social economic values and our political and community minded viewpoints as well as, local traditions.

When I was a kid and the world was not as connected I saw that played out every year on Holy Thursday  - the Thursday before Good Friday and Easter Sunday - it was a tradition to visit 3 churches on Holy Thursday - Each was different including the prayers that were traditionally part of the visit - there were always, mostly kids from the church letting you know what was expected. Some had candles to light others did not, some, with more than one organist took turns playing all day, mostly sacred music indigenous to the nationality where most of the parishioners had emigrated and then, the garb worn by the priests was different since they were mostly order priests rather than diocesan priests - needless to say, what was considered sinful was a part of this mixed American and national indigenous culture.

As to Islam the more I read about the Middle East and its history the more I am aware we lump the whole area into one when it is a wide swath of land and it would be like saying Mexico, the U.S. and Canada were one cultural area with the same viewpoints, language and problems. And then to top it off we in this country have focused on the idea there is a Sunni Shia divide that is paramount; the more I read, it is the affiliations and traditional wars between tribes, their leadership, politics and traditions that if given some attention could unravel some of what is going on.

These tribal conflicts and traditions were under control for hundreds of years during the time of the Ottoman Empire and then after WWI, after the Empire foolishly aligned themselves with Germany and lost, this part of the world has been like a ship without a rudder so that strong nationalized leaders held it together till recent times when the average person, through technology, could see they were not living the good life and wanted to bring that about. Most it appears thought by going back to the way of life and traditions of the past the glory days of the past would come about which includes strong tribal affiliation - it is a shock, that is only settling in, that it is not working out.    

I have been reading mostly about the Arab and Persian peoples and now I need to read how the Kurds fit into all of this. I am also picking up that what happened in Syria was not a cry of revolution from within but rather an outside group agitating the discontent - worming out anything about the beginning of the uprising takes time and work that I do not have just now. I am also seeing a difference in authors viewpoints comparing western authors, middle eastern authors educated in mostly Britain, and native authors many who were journalists.

One of the best books I have read that really lays out the goings on in Afghanistan since just before the Russians till now and written more like a good novel than a dry history is, No Good Men Among The Living: America, The Taliban, And The War Through Afghan Eyes by Anand Gopal - fabulous read.
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« Reply #2753 on: February 03, 2015, 10:16:42 AM »
I'm reading a very interesting nonfiction book which I recommend:  IN THE LAND OF INVISIBLE WOMEN by Qanta Ahmed, MD.  The author grew up in England in a moderate Muslim family, and then studied to become a physician.  She moved to the United States and lived there for several years in Manhattan as a single woman.  When the government refused to grant her an extention on her visa, she accepted a job as physician in a hospital in Riyadh, the capitol of Saudi Arabia.  She tells fascinating stories of her attempts to become adjusted to the shocking rules in the Kingdom's police state not only those of the Saudi royal family but also of the religious police who were everywhere enforcing their own rules.  In one story she tells of female physicians being required to insert the stethescope into their ears which ears were covered by the shroud they were required to wear, making it almost impossible to hear the important noises of a patients heart.  Also a woman physician was not allowed to argue with a male physician's diagnosis.  Makes one, as a woman,  so glad to be living in the United States.

Marj
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« Reply #2754 on: February 10, 2015, 09:48:48 AM »
I finally found a good book; have been tossing out so many duds unfinished lately.  Frybabe recommended it:  13 HOURS; WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN BENGHASI by Mitchell Zuckoff.  Very interesting, especially the history of Libya.  Did not know that Mussolini had his nose there too.  I remember as a young girl seeing the newpaper photo of Mussolini hanging after the people got hold of him.  What a monster, executing all those people in the Benghasi area (10,000?)  I wanted to know what happened there more recently where all the right-wingnuts have been blaming Hilary Clinton for letting our  ambassador be killed.  

Marj
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« Reply #2755 on: February 10, 2015, 10:31:47 AM »
Barb StAubry recommended NO GOOD MEN AMONG THE LIVING; AMERICA, THE TALIBAN AND THE WAR THROUGH AFGHAN EYES.  Thanks, I'll get it.

Two other books I read some time ago and recommend on Afthanistan history are
TOURNAMENT OF SHADOWS; THE GREAT GAME AND THE RACE FOR EMPIRE IN CENTRAL ASIA by Karl Meyer

THE GREAT GAME by Peter Hopkirk

Marj
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« Reply #2756 on: February 10, 2015, 11:46:37 AM »
I read The Great Game a few years back, as well as several others having to do with Afghanistan and surrounding areas. There are others waiting to be read, mostly travel or military accounts during the 1700's and 1800's. Several of the books I read are recent, like The Bookseller of Kabul and The Places in Between.

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« Reply #2757 on: February 19, 2015, 12:25:27 PM »
I thought THE BOOKSELLER OF KABUL was a terrific read.  I felt sad for the women in the book, especially the one who wrote to her friends that she hoped she would be returned in the next life as a stone, not a woman. 

Marj
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« Reply #2758 on: March 06, 2015, 06:10:06 AM »
My newest Project Gutenberg acquisitions include a book on the Pennsylvania Dutch dialect, a book about the building of the Bell Rock Lighthouse (including lots of draftsman's drawings) by Robert Louis Stephenson's grandfather, Robert Stephenson, and the account of the excavations at Thebes between 1907 and 1911 by Howard Carter and the Earl of Carnarvon.

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« Reply #2759 on: March 10, 2015, 03:22:53 PM »
Fry: the excavations were by Howard carter and the Earl. Is the book also by them?