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« Reply #400 on: October 29, 2009, 08:58:54 AM »
 
The Book Club Online is  the oldest  book club on the Internet, begun in 1996, open to everyone.  We offer cordial discussions of one book a month,  24/7 and  enjoy the company of readers from all over the world.  Everyone is welcome to join in.

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Welcome! Everyone is invited! 

We are happy to announce that the author, Matthew Pearl, is joining us in the discussion of his  latest novel, "The Last Dickens," as he did with his "Poe Story"  and "The Dante Club.

 Matthew's literary fiction picks up where Dickens left off in "The Mystery of Edwin Drood."  The story of the fate of Edwin Drood is a mystery within a mystery. When young Edwin disappears after dinner on Christmas Eve and his watch and chain are later found in the nearby river, everyone suspects foul play. Could one of Edwin’s acquaintances have murdered him – and, if so, what could their motive be?  Tragically, the mystery is destined never to be truly solved, as Dickens died before he could finish this novel – all that is left are the clues that can be found in the completed chapters.

Pearl  sends a partner of Dickens’ American publisher, James Osgood, to the Dickens' estate in England where we meet the "fugitives"  from the characters of Dickens' novel.  Is Edwin Drood dead or alive? Was he killed by his uncle, John Jasper? Or did he somehow escape that fate, possibly to return later?  We are anticipating more intrigue as Pearl's fictional characters search for answers in the author's well-researched fiction.

Chapter discussion schedule

October 1-6:     First Installment ~ Chapters 1-10 ~ June, 1870
October 7-10:   Second Installment ~  Chapters 11-17 ~ November, 1867
October 11-13: :    Third Installment ~  Chapters  18-22 ~ June, 1870
October 15-17: Fourth Installment ~ Chapters 23-26
October 18-23: Fifth Installment ~ Chapters 27-29
Oct. 24-28:  Fifth Installment cont. -  Chapters 30 - 39
*October 29-31:  Sixth Installment ~ Chapter 40/Historical note

Discussion Leaders: JoanP, Andy
 
         

Some topics for discussion  Oct. 29-31: Chapter 40/Historical Note ~ 

1. Why would Osgood confide his doubts that  Chapman lost the final pages of Dickens' novel in  Longfellow ? Do you agree with Longfellow,  that it was for the best that the end of Dickens' story is not available?

2 .What did Longfellow mean when he said that "all proper books are unfinished"?  "An unfinished Dickens novel is a mystery in itself."  Do you agree?

3.  If you could ask Dickens one question about his unfinished novel, what would it be?

4. Why would Chapman  not come forward with the final chapters if he had been able to transcribe them? 

5. Do you believe that Dickens did write the ending first and that the pages are waiting somewhere to be found?  Were you expecting to hear more from Frank Dickens - who also knew  the Gurney shorthand ?

6.  When all is said and done, do you believe that Edwin Drood was murdered by his uncle?


7. Which bit of factual information  caught you attention  in the Historical Notes ?

8. Are there questions you would like us all to consider or put to Matthew while he is still in our midst?


Readers' Guide Questions from FIRST  - FIFTH INSTALLMENTS

Related Links : SeniorLearn's Q & A with Author, Matthew Pearl; 19th century Boston publishing houses ; check out Mr. Osgood here; James R. Osgood Co. closes,  May, 1885 - NY Times ,    Listen to Matthew's Interview at the Parker House in BostonDickens in America - by Matthew Pearl


Some Recent Questions for Matthew:http://www.seniorlearn.org/bookclubs/lastdickens/lastdickens_q_a.html




OH  I love it Matthew.  I just finished lthe last installement around 2 AM.  It is the very first time that I have followed an assigned schedule, always being very careful not to present a "spoiler" to others. :o
I do not usually like mysteries because it seems that I can figure them out too early into the story. 
However, You got me on this one, and I salute you.

I loved the climatic scene as Wakefield and Herman plummeted down the elevator shaft  into their own personal HELL.  Will Dante be there to meet and greet them as he chooses an eternall assignment for them?
   Perhaps in a pit of coins obsturcting any movement , allowing only the smell of the metal to infuse their thoughts?  How about a vat of cocaine?  NO, I've got it, A circle of pirates?  Fanciful this AM, I am. 

I knew right from the get-go that that nasty Wakefield was slinking  around to no good.
I shall return after a bit. We have a sick kid here, mom's at the gym and I am flying home this afternoon. (to get warm.)

I love it.  down an elevator shaft- KABOOM!  (Oh Andy, you are SO childish.)
Books are the bees which carry the quickening pollen from one to another mind.  ~James Russell Lowell

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« Reply #401 on: October 29, 2009, 10:48:57 AM »
Later, although I don't have the year in front of me, the whole building burned down.
The Sears Building burned down Feb. 2, 1890.  I came across a Feb. 3 1890 New York Times article in my search for a picture of the building.  The fire started in the engine room and roared up the fabled elevator shaft, spreading to the whole building in just a few minutes.  It was insured for $175,000, which the NYT thought would cover the loss.

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« Reply #402 on: October 29, 2009, 10:55:40 AM »
Pat, when you said that the furnishings of the elevator (like a small sitting room) said something about the speed at which it went up and down, I laughed out loud. Yes, it seems that people would have time to sit and chat while it went from floor to floor!

I have enjoyed reading more about the mystery surrounding Edwin Drood and more about the life of Dickens. Matthew, your account of the missing manuscript, and all the possible revelations you took us through, was a great adventure.  I can't wait for your next book.


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« Reply #403 on: October 29, 2009, 11:03:04 AM »
The page of shorthand is fascinating. I never learned shorthand. My husband did and was very good at it, also inventing his own shortcuts, to take notes in college. That was very imaginative to have Dickens write the first chapters in shorthand in the margins of his diary.

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« Reply #404 on: October 29, 2009, 12:03:09 PM »
I finished the book last evening and I do believe you ended it on the right note, Matthew.

"each reader will imagine his or her ideal ending for it and every reader will be happy with their own private finale in their mind.  It is in a truer state, perhaps, than any other work of its kind, however large we print those words, THE END.

We know this is a novel about a novel, but a novel written by Charles Dickens, the first half of which was published before his death.  

I can't imagine how you could have ended it differently?  Did you ever imagine another ending?

I was somewhat intrigued by Longfellow's comment that "The world was a holiday planet then, and things were precisely what they seemed."

Interesting statement.  Could he have meant his youth, perhaps?  Do we look back to our youth and believe the world was a holiday?

The discussion was very enjoyable, MATTHEW'S COMMENTS ADDED SO MUCH, and I want to thank JOANP and ANDY very much for their work in bringing us this book!


ALF43

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« Reply #405 on: October 29, 2009, 12:35:56 PM »
Ella- You are so sweet, thank you but the majority of the work and research questions belong to JoanP.  She is my slave driver and I just do as told.   ::)

As you said, Ella, "each reader will imagine his own ending" but this statement by Longfellow made me take pause.
I know exactly what he meant but have never been able to phrase it:  

"If not for publishers, no authors would ever reach the end.  We would have all writers and no readers."

How sad for we mere mortal readers. 8)

Marcie, I highly doubt that you'd find my shorthand quite so fascinating.  I made up my own shorthand in college while taking Anatomy/Physiology classes and still use it today.  That's only 40 years ago. ;D
I kept waiting for Dickens son to pop up in these last few pages.  Wasn't he the one that was taught shorthand by his father?
Why didn't they ask him to decipher some of this illegible scratching?
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« Reply #406 on: October 29, 2009, 12:38:29 PM »
Ella, I too think that the ending of the book is appropriate and would love to know if Matthew ever thought of ending it with more revelations about what happened to Edwin Drood.

I'm glad you picked up on Longfellow's comment (in the book it is 1870), ""The world was a holiday planet then, and things were precisely what they seemed." I agree that it could refer to how many of us see the world when we're young. Also, the Civil War took place in the first half of the 1860s. I don't know my history very well but the world must have changed greatly after the Civil War, with less socio-economic stability. I'd be interested to learn more about the view of a "holiday planet" versus things not being "precisely what they seem."

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« Reply #407 on: October 29, 2009, 12:40:57 PM »
The only thing that I had a problem with Matthew is WHY in God's name would Osgood and Fields so readily hand over Dickens last words to the likes of Fred Chapman?

I did like Molasses, the Bookaneer's narrative of Osgood's search for the ending and its publication in the Publisher's Weekly,
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first published in 1872, a collective catalog for publishers to pool their resources. That listing of books enabled booksellers to learn about forthcoming titles, and eventually the publication expanded to include features and articles.

Interesting that this brought in new authors, i.e. Louisa May Alcott, Bret Harte, etc. and Osgood was making arrangements for a novel with Samuel Clemens.
 I love history and stuff like this is right up my alley.  I confess to finding it difficult to determine fact from fiction but extend my thanks to Matthew for his Historical Notes in the back of the book.
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« Reply #408 on: October 29, 2009, 03:25:00 PM »
Thank you for the exerp, Matthew. Interesting that it was considered improper for unmarried women to ride the elevator with a strange man, so Osgood waited for the women to go up first.

I can really relate to Dickens' personal shorthand. When I was a child, my mother was writing an article about Thornto, the first head of the American Patent Office. He had developed his own shorthand: my mother had to figure it out in order to read his notes. It seems to have been quite a job: fortunately she was able to. I gather no one has deciphered Dickens'.

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« Reply #409 on: October 29, 2009, 03:31:58 PM »
The only thing that I had a problem with Matthew is WHY in God's name would Osgood and Fields so readily hand over Dickens last words to the likes of Fred Chapman?
They didn't really have a choice.  Chapman was the legal owner of the manuscript.  I would have tried to photograph it first, though.

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« Reply #410 on: October 29, 2009, 07:40:53 PM »
The only thing that I had a problem with Matthew is WHY in God's name would Osgood and Fields so readily hand over Dickens last words to the likes of Fred Chapman?
They didn't really have a choice.  Chapman was the legal owner of the manuscript.  I would have tried to photograph it first, though.

That's exactly right--Chapman had the rights to it first. Do we think there is really an accident or foul play on Chapman's part?

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« Reply #411 on: October 29, 2009, 07:43:34 PM »
Ella, I too think that the ending of the book is appropriate and would love to know if Matthew ever thought of ending it with more revelations about what happened to Edwin Drood.

Thanks for the question, Marcie. From the beginning, I wanted to do something a bit different than the speculation of how Mystery of Edwin Drood would end--which is interesting but has been done before. In a way, I wanted The Last Dickens to rewrite a new ending for MED rather than guess its ending. That is why my book has six installments--sort of a substitute or alternate to the missing six installments of the ending. Glad you enjoyed it!

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« Reply #412 on: October 29, 2009, 07:48:36 PM »
I know I've posted so much here, so I can't remember...

Did I post this PDF file from the back of the paperback, where we present a conversation between James Osgood and ... me? (for those who have been reading from the hardcover)

matthewpearl

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« Reply #413 on: October 29, 2009, 07:50:09 PM »
For those who read the Historical Note and want more...

Here is a historical epilogue from my site.

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« Reply #414 on: October 29, 2009, 07:53:30 PM »
Haven't had enough to read?

Who wants to read some extra chapters?

Open this PDF file to read "The Little Admiral," a series of six extra chapters for The Last Dickens, featuring Sub-Lieutenant Sydney Dickens (pictured below), another of Dickens's sons, and tax agent Simon Pennock, whom you met in the novel, in stories interlocking with the published novel.



This can also be found in the Extras section of my site.

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« Reply #415 on: October 29, 2009, 09:19:35 PM »
Matthew, Thanks for responding to our questions. As I said, I think you ended the book in a very satisfying way. I do think of it as a follow up to The Mystery of Edwin Drood. Well done!

I've finished reading The Last Dickens (a second time) and am so glad there is more. Thank you, Matthew, for your generosity in participating in our discussion and for all of the articles... and for writing an online story too. I'm going to check out all of your links.

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« Reply #416 on: October 29, 2009, 09:56:04 PM »
Thank you, Matthew and our wonderful discussion leaders for a great discussion. I will be thinking about it for a long, long time.

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« Reply #417 on: October 29, 2009, 10:02:19 PM »
We're on the road - have been driving all day on the way to celebrate another birthday in Memphis, TN.  Why did they have to move so far away! We're in Nashville tonight - with the dog along for the ride.

Dead tired, but looking over today's posts, I feel compelled to jump into the conversation - or won't get much sleep tonight just thinking about everything I've read here just now.

First of all, don't listen to Andy! - She likes to call me such  names, but I think you all know there is no more enthusiastic, energetic, or harder working DL anywhere!  Thank you for everthing you have brought to this discussion, Andy - in your own inimitable style. :D

Sheila- you sound downright weary...all Drooded out.  I take it you don't agree with Longfellow? ;)    You've certainly learned a whole lot more than you ever did about Dickens.  And you read the last novel he ever wrote - though unfortunately he didn't  get to finish it.  I am going to bet the story stays with you for a long time.  I detect a note of disappointment in your post - that Matthew didn't reveal Dickens'  ending.

Can we talk about that a bit - with Matthew still in our midst?  After spending so much time and reading so much peripheral matter related to Edwin Drood - do you have a personal opinion about where Dickens might have been going with the novel, Matthew?  I read somewhere in an interview, I think it was - that you thought  that Dickens did not know how he would end it at the time of his death.  Am I remembering that right?

From the tale you've told in the Last Dickens, I sense that you believe there might be other explanations of what happened to Edwin Drood...including the idea that he may not have been murdered at all  - Eddie Trood LIVES!  Do you think it is reasonable to believe that Dickens has an idea, perhaps not thought out in detail yet, but an idea of whether or not Edwin Drood had been murdered by his Uncle Jasper?

By the way - YOU  ALL MUST READ THE HISTORICAL NOTE at the end!  I'd like to know if something jumped off the page when you read it - the part where Matthew talks about the fictional and actual characters he has written about.  

Will be back in the morning early - don't go away.  We need to pick your minds a bit more!  

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« Reply #418 on: October 30, 2009, 08:00:28 AM »
After spending so much time and reading so much peripheral matter related to Edwin Drood - do you have a personal opinion about where Dickens might have been going with the novel, Matthew?  I read somewhere in an interview, I think it was - that you thought  that Dickens did not know how he would end it at the time of his death.  Am I remembering that right?

From the tale you've told in the Last Dickens, I sense that you believe there might be other explanations of what happened to Edwin Drood...including the idea that he may not have been murdered at all  - Eddie Trood LIVES!  Do you think it is reasonable to believe that Dickens has an idea, perhaps not thought out in detail yet, but an idea of whether or not Edwin Drood had been murdered by his Uncle Jasper?

I personally do believe Dickens would not have had a settled plan for an ending--from looking at the evidence of his writing process for his other novels and also for MED. That's not to say I think he was flying blind. I'd bet he had several paths he had ready to follow, but was taking it piece by piece as he usually did. I think that either Edwin Drood or Edwin Drood's father, who had the same name, would have come into play in the second half. There is conflicting "evidence," of course, for everything--which is part of the fun.

Here is some of what I say in my introduction to the Modern Library edition to MED:
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The longstanding assumption that Dickens knew how the novel would end – and the vague suspicion that it is our own deficiency that we haven't deduced his conclusion yet – emanates from two primary sources. First, there seems to be an unspoken fantasy about Dickens, because of his great mastery and consistency as a storyteller, that the novels emerged more or less complete from his head. Second, despite some excellent scholarship on the subject, the process of writing in the serial-novel format of the nineteenth century is still not widely appreciated.

More of what I say in my introduction:
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Sending along Drood's first installment to Buckingham Palace in the spring of 1870, Dickens did offer to tell the Queen of England ‘a little more of it in advance of her subjects’. The novelist was more tight-lipped in two other remembered exchanges about Drood that took place as the novel was being published. Here is an account by son Charley:

Charles Dickens, Jr.: ‘Of course, Edwin Drood was murdered?’
Charles Dickens: ‘Of course; what else do you suppose?’

And another, from a separate conversation, recounted by Georgina Hogarth, Dickens's sister-in-law and confidante:

Georgina Hogarth: ‘I hope you haven't really killed poor Edwin Drood?’
Charles Dickens: ‘I call my book the Mystery, not the History, of Edwin Drood.’

The first exchange calls to mind the phrase ‘The Loss of Edwin Drude’ one of Dickens's early scribbled title choices, and the second evokes another title in the same list, ‘Edwin Drood in Hiding’. What these flashes of reflected memories give us are not answers but important indications that, in whatever detail Dickens had worked out his story, he wanted it to be a surprise even to those close to him. That he had offered a preview to Queen Victoria – though in language suitably gradual (‘a little more of it in advance’), rather than suggesting a full revelation of the ending – should remind us what a commodity surprise was to Dickens.

As for the name Drood, Edward Trood really was the son of the innkeeper across from Gadshill. That's one possibility. Here is another, from 1930s Dickens biographer Thomas Wright (who also mentions Trood): “The title of it was most likely taken from the name of a young man, Edwin Drew ( a correspondent of the writer of this book), who at the time the story was in hand happened to be in communication with Dickens. Mr. Drew, who was later well-known in journalistic and musical circles in London, was engaged on the Hampshire Chronicle; and, recollecting Dickens's early struggles and ultimate success, he had written to Dickens to ask respecting the possibility of gaining a livelihood by the pen in London, by one without money or friends. In reply, Dickens said, 'On no account try literary life here. Such an attempt must lead to the bitterest disappointment.' Like most other advice, however, it was not taken... It has also been pointed out that the landlord of the Sir John Falstaff inn just opposite Gad's Hill Place was named Trood. It was not Edwin Trood, however, but William Stocker Trood." Wright apparently didn't know the name of Trood's son (William Trood's brother, too, was Edward Trood, I believe).

But the name also might have been a process of experimenting for Dickens. We see that in his list of titles where he plays around with Edwin Brood--although that also could have evolved from Trood--and Drude.

Here is a bit about the local legend in Rochester that may have inspired MED... from Walters “Clues to Dickens's Mystery of Edwin Drood”: “A well-to-do person, a bachelor, was the guardian and trustee of a nephew (a minor), who was the inheritor of a large property. The nephew went to the West Indies and returned unexpectedly. He suddenly disappeared, and was thought to have gone on another voyage. The uncle's house was near the site of the Savings Bank in High Street, and when excavations were made years later the skeleton of a young man was discovered. The local tradition is that the uncle murdered the nephew, and thus concealed the body. Here is the germ of the plot of 'Edwin Drood,' and the mystery is not so much the nature of the crime as its concealment and eventual detection”

And of course I latch onto that for The Last Dickens

A writer couldn't ask for material that's more fun than that!

One last quote from my introduction, more interesting perhaps to those who have read MED:

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There is a surprising amount of Dickens in the shadowy Jasper, as well. Like Jasper, Dickens burned his diaries at the end of each year, along with his letters. In his final years he relied on medical opiates to ease his ailments, surely an experience he channels into Jasper's drug use. He also kept up hypnotism (or mesmerism) as a hobby, and this description from his eldest child Charles Jr. suggests a carryover to everyday life also seen in Jasper: ‘the mere intense gaze of those keen and luminous eyes, even without any of the passes and manipulations which form so much of the stock in trade of the ordinary mesmerist, had astonishing influence over many people, as you will read in all sorts of descriptions of him, and to my mind always seemed as if it could read one's inmost soul.’ Dickens's wife Catherine, before their separation, suspected that Dickens's mesmerism was wrapped up in a romantic obsession and emotional liaison with at least one woman. Whether Dickens also saw himself as the older man wedging himself into the life of young actress Ellen Ternan we cannot say, but at the very least he was obliged to keep their relationship as secret as possible, and some of his conflicted feelings about this may be on display in Jasper's destructive and clandestine pursuit of Rosa. The dark secrets of abandonment and resentment in family life—and by extension the life of an incestuously small village—are more key to an understanding of Drood than any single character in the cast.

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« Reply #419 on: October 30, 2009, 08:38:02 AM »
I am so excited that Matthew is still here.  I have a question for you.

I have just reading a novel that is about a "lost" original manuscript of Herman Melvilles.  It's surreal how closely this  story seems entertwined with our Last Dickens that as I read I'm getting confused as to which manuscript everyone is searching for. ;D  anyway-(I digress)
Matthew- #1. Did Harper & Brothers office building really burn to the ground in 1853  "six buildings were left in ruins?"
The reason I ask is this book says that these publishers origianally split the profits 50/50 with Melville, AFTER publishing costs had been recouped AND any advance money was subtracted from those anticipated half-profits. It says that the Harpers actually charged their uathors interest on these advances.  Because Moby Dick was originally a commercial failure they were nervous and demanded an impossible contract for his next book.  One book they rejected but never returned.  Excuse me but that's larceny isn't it?  I can not imagine writing my heart out and having my manuscript rejected AND stolen.

HOly smokes so publishers were thieves???  Not just a fictional enterprise but a true fact!  You were kind Matthew writing about the Harpers, these guys were fraudulant.

The parallels are numerous with our Dickens story, particularly with the "chase" to find the originals.  Maybe that is due to the fact that we've been living with Mr. Osgood and all of these bandits that it's difficult to move myself into another venue and BOOM, when I do, I am back to reading about literary geniuses and  larcenous publishers.

 I shall return.  My flight was delayed last night so I am way behind schedule.
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« Reply #420 on: October 30, 2009, 08:48:30 AM »
Oh my, Matthew!  I need to go get some coffee before injesting all of this new information.  Hopefully we will be staying here in the motel until the rain passes through.

Just two thoughts before I go...well, no, three thoughts.  Thank you!  How can we ever thank you enough for all of this information you have shared with us?  Beyond the insights into MED you have provided, you have shared so much of the writing process with us.

I enjoyed reading of Dickens'  response to young Mr. Drew's question regarding the possibility of gaining a livelihood by the pen. 'On no account try literary life here. Such an attempt must lead to the bitterest disappointment.'  I wonder what Mr. Pearl's advice would be to a similar question today?  

About the Historical note - my eyes flew open when I saw that Falstaff really was named William Trood! Together with PatH's post #310 containing Dickens'  musings for names for his title character...he was rhyming with Trood!  Remember Pat found the name James Wakefield on the list too.  When you brought back Edwin Trood as Marcus Wakefield, did  research on a James Wakefield lead to your decision on using his name?

Coffee!

Andy - good morning!  we were posting together!  Those Harpers!  Was so glad to hear that their edition of Edwin Drood gathered dust on the shelves! 

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« Reply #421 on: October 30, 2009, 09:21:33 AM »
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Matthew- #1. Did Harper & Brothers office building really burn to the ground in 1853  "six buildings were left in ruins?"
...HOly smokes so publishers were thieves???  Not just a fictional enterprise but a true fact!  You were kind Matthew writing about the Harpers, these guys were fraudulant.

I hadn't heard of the novel you're reading Andy, but looked it up and it sounds great. The description reminds me of the novel The Archivist, which I really liked. Anyway, yes, the Harper buildings did burn down in the 1850s, and the really did rip off their authors. I know, people don't believe me about the Harpers!

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« Reply #422 on: October 30, 2009, 09:27:24 AM »
I enjoyed reading of Dickens'  response to young Mr. Drew's question regarding the possibility of gaining a livelihood by the pen. 'On no account try literary life here. Such an attempt must lead to the bitterest disappointment.'  I wonder what Mr. Pearl's advice would be to a similar question today?
 

Well, being a writer is a bit more realistic today than in the 19th century--but still a tough path to take! The great thing today is there are so many forums for sharing one's writing, from traditional publishing to emailing short stories.

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About the Historical note - my eyes flew open when I saw that Falstaff really was named William Trood! Together with PatH's post #310 containing Dickens'  musings for names for his title character...he was rhyming with Trood!  Remember Pat found the name James Wakefield on the list too.  When you brought back Edwin Trood as Marcus Wakefield, did  research on a James Wakefield lead to your decision on using his name?

Dickens may have taken the name Wakefield from a Hawthorne short story about a man who reinvents himself and his identity--I thought I'd wink at that by combining Wakefield-Trood as a character.

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What sort of a man was Wakefield? We are free to shape out our own idea, and call it by his name.

Here is the Hawthorne story, Wakefield, for those who want even MORE reading.

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« Reply #423 on: October 30, 2009, 10:03:25 AM »
Wakefield - perfect - a man who reinvented himself - I'm remembering Rebecca's response to his proposal - that she could have loved an Eddie Trood - but not a fraud.  I suppose the question is - if a man reinvents himself, is he a fraud?  Always?

Before I forget, thank you for the page of the Gurney shorthand sample, Matthew.  That reminds me of the maddening thread you left hanging in Last Dickens, Matthew!  I'm seeing some of Dickens in you!  Earlier you included the chapter of the bored Frank during the period when he worked as a reporter for his father's magazine.  During his free time, he learned that shorthand - not only that - he would have learned his father's quirky shortcuts too.  In other words, had Frank seen these last pages, he would have been able to read them fairly easily.

(Are there really notes in the margins of Dickens'  diary written in this shorthand, Matthew?  Were you allowed to examine the diary?)

Frank didn't even get a chance to look at these pages though - the London publisher had all the rights to them.  And he, Chapman claimed they were lost at sea.    Was he ever compensated for the missing six episodes?   Unbelievable that Dickens would have signed such an agreement.  How much of this was your fiction, Matthew?  All of it, I imagine.  How like Dickens you are!  How long did it take you to decide to do this to us?

Time to go - hope you are still around one more day - I'm sure we'll have just a few more questions!

I'd like to know how many of our participants agree with Longfellow - that it was all for the best that the missing six episodes were not available?


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« Reply #424 on: October 30, 2009, 12:27:01 PM »
Matthew, I appreciate your sharing your research and thoughts about Dickens' writing process and emphasizing the fact that he was writing a serial. It's fun (and maddening) to speculate on his intentions.

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« Reply #425 on: October 30, 2009, 03:34:32 PM »
Matthew, what a wonderful role model of Hawthornes you had for the other "Wakefield" you invented.  Two men who tried in their own evil ways to make others insignificant.  Haa I have the perfect ending to that story BUT like Longfellow inferred "it is best to leave it at that."

What a great story that was, I have never read it, Matthew.
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« Reply #426 on: October 30, 2009, 04:32:00 PM »

By the way - YOU  ALL MUST READ THE HISTORICAL NOTE at the end!  I'd like to know if something jumped off the page when you read it - the part where Matthew talks about the fictional and actual characters he has written about. 

Joan, is this the information you mean? It caught my eye in Matthew's pdf file of hiistorical notes. "Later in life, Osgood moved to England to work for Harper & Bros. as their London agent." Osgood and Harper Bros together!

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« Reply #427 on: October 30, 2009, 04:54:25 PM »
Joan, is this the information you mean? It caught my eye in Matthew's pdf file of hiistorical notes. "Later in life, Osgood moved to England to work for Harper & Bros. as their London agent." Osgood and Harper Bros together!

I think Joan was struck by the fact the innkeeper Trood was real--many people are surprised by that. But yes, Marcie, it's such a strange fate for Osgood to work for Harper (that's in the online historical epilogue)--altho' by that time Fletcher and the other Harper brothers had long since passed away. Still, it would be nice, I think, if there was still a Fields, Osgood & Co.

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« Reply #428 on: October 30, 2009, 11:24:20 PM »
I do wish that Fields, Osgood & Co had continued. Well, Osgood is now immortalized in your book as a hero :-)

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« Reply #429 on: October 31, 2009, 09:24:20 AM »
Me too, Marcie.  Perhaps they would have lent a hand with this:

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Approximately ten years after Dickens's death, one of Dickens's sons, Charley, co-wrote a theatrical production of The Mystery of Edwin Drood with a new ending, which he claimed was in part based on the authority of the information his father had shared with him. The play has to this day never been produced. The manuscript is at the Chalrles Dickens Museum in London. (Charley was originally depicted as a character in The Last Dickens, but eliminated in a later draft)


Your research Matthew is unbelievable.  I have enjoyed that as much as the novel.  I thank you over and over for the time you have so graciously lent to us and your plethora of information you have provided about Dickens, et. al.  It truly makes me want to read more Dickens.

By the way, where exactly was Charley inserted into the Last Dickens story and then eliminated?
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« Reply #430 on: October 31, 2009, 10:04:03 AM »
Yes, I did get excited when I saw that there really was a William Trood in the Rochester area in the Historical notes!  Even
 more so when reading Matthew's notes about writing his story about him.  

Marcie, I was also struck by the fact that Osgood went on to work for Harpers.  Thank you, Matthew for pointing out that the Harper boys had left the business by then.  (I wonder what happened to that long line of Jr. Harpers all standing in line to receive the torch?)

So Anthony Perkins is the grandson - perhaps great grandson of James Osgood?  I looked in vain to see if James Osgood's wife's name was Rebecca.  I'll assume that something came of the May wedding date for them.
Matthew, we can't thank you enough for opening up so many avenues for our discussion!

Andy, I've yet to read Charley Dickens' play...nor  did I get anyone to pursue Dick Datchery's role in MED - and where Dickens might have been going with this character.  But you see, we could continue to the end of time with these questions. Perhaps that's what Longfellow was saying.   I think that Edwin Drood and his fate wil be in our minds for quite a while - whether we want him to be or not!



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« Reply #431 on: October 31, 2009, 10:11:55 AM »
Have we come to the end of the month already?  Even with 31 days in October, it seems there are so many avenues left to explore.  We can stay open for a few more days to be sure we've heard from everyone, but knowing that Matthew and our participants probably  have November commitments, Andy and I  want to make sure that you all know how much your questions, observations and links have added to this discussion.  Thanks, everyone!  It's been fun and a great discussion because of you!

Matthew, you have been unbelievable in your responses to our questions - over and above what we asked!  Those links you shared with us will be added to the relevant links in the heading here - and the whole discussion will be preserved in our Archives - and linked to our  READERS' GUIDE to The Last Dickens

 This has been such a TREAT!  Matthew, your SeniorLearn friends think you are the best!  As others have said, we are looking forward to your next book and hope to see you here again for another visit.   How can we thank you?  What can we do for you?


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« Reply #432 on: October 31, 2009, 10:15:27 AM »
E C H O!  E C H O!
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« Reply #433 on: October 31, 2009, 12:22:08 PM »
Matthew, The Last Dickens has been a most delightful read, and one I’m glad I completed, although I started it somewhat reluctantly, never having had time to really get into MED.  But your book stood beautifully, all by itself, filled with so many twists and turns and surprises.

Your research continually surprised me – a wonderful marriage of fiction and fact, bringing all characters to life, so that I really cared for them.  But didn’t weep  for Wakefield and Herman. And I’m sorry that Osgood and Rebecca were never able to unite, but do hope he eventually found a real lady love.  (You see, I never knew which world I was in, but that was okay, as both were real to me.)

Last night I was looking over our library’s calendar of upcoming events, and lo and behold, in December one of our local thespians will do a monolog of Dickens’ Christmas Carol. Wow, history repeats.  But unlike the author, I’m sure his performance will be gratis.

Again, many thanks for being here with us, giving up so much of your time.  It was a real enhancement.

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« Reply #434 on: October 31, 2009, 02:49:06 PM »
In the middle of carving pumpkins, baking seeds and dealing with four exuberant little ones - but couldn't help myself - had to peek into the discussion.
Pedln!  Tell me about what happened to James and Rebecca!  I missed something!  I thought they had planned a May wedding???  No?  It didn't happen?

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« Reply #435 on: October 31, 2009, 03:08:40 PM »
MATTEW: I can only double everything that was said. It means so much to us to read a book with the author. And you are so generous with your time and knowledge: you have made us all fans, not only of Dickens but of his whole period. I hope you use all this research for another book. Or are you already going down other trails, searching out information about another author?

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« Reply #436 on: October 31, 2009, 04:39:33 PM »
Hi everyone!

Saturdays are my volunteer days (at an animal shelter here in Boston) so I just returned and of course want to say thank you to all of you, and thanks specifically for Joan and Andy's leadership, but also for everyone for their questions and thoughtful comments.

I love doing research. My fourth novel will be a departure for me because it won't be about literary history, but it will be 19th century and Boston, so the terrain is familiar. It's a very fun topic--I think--and I hope you'll stick with me. I plan to return to literary history, though--for those who've read The Dante Club, you might be interested to know I'm planning (just planning, you never know until you start a project) to write two sequels to it (The Dante Club created a story from Inferno and there are two other parts to Dante's poem, Purgatory and Paradise, which both deserve adventures of their own). For those who haven't read The Dante Club, if you choose to, you'll find Osgood in a small role, Fields in a pretty big one and Holmes and Longfellow as main characters, who made cameos here. I also plan to write a novel called The Bookaneer--taking place about 20 years after The Last Dickens, focused of course on the Bookaneers, and introducing a new one as the hero/anti-hero, but we'd see some of our Bookaneer scoundrels we met already, tho' they'll be older, of course.

Anthony Perkins was not directly related to Osgood--it was Osgood's close friend A. V. S. Anthony who inherited Osgood's papers and also incorporated the name Osgood into his family line. Osgood in real life never ended up marrying. I wish he had married Rebecca--but of course as Rebecca is a fictional character, I can't claim he did! In the world of my novel, though, they definitely marry!

If anyone wants to keep updated on my future projects and events, please join my email list--several of you have in the past--and can attest it won't disrupt your inbox (1 to 2 emails PER YEAR on average): you just add your info here--http://www.matthewpearl.com/newsletterform.html

You can also keep up with my blog posts in various places, including Red Room: http://www.redroom.com/author/matthew-pearl

And of course if you ever see I have an event in your area, please come say hello in person!

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« Reply #437 on: October 31, 2009, 10:36:55 PM »
Matthew, I'm extremely grateful to you for the time you spent with us.  Your comments, links to background information, and insights into your thought processes while writing the book added a whole extra dimension of pleasure to reading your book.

This method of discussing a book, taking a whole month and picking apart each section in detail, is very demanding, and it takes a well-constructed book to survive.  Your book sailed through with flying colors.  The richness of historical detail and the complex ingenuity of the plot and the solution of the puzzle are remarkable.

I can't wait for the next one.

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« Reply #438 on: November 01, 2009, 12:21:56 AM »
PatH, you said that very well. I agree with your assessment of the richness of The Last Dickens. Many thanks to you, Matthew, and to our wonderful leaders, Joan and Andy, and to each of you participants here. I've learned a lot and am inspired to learn more.

You have me intrigued about your next books, Matthew. I'll be watching for them.

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« Reply #439 on: November 01, 2009, 03:51:43 PM »
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Pedln!  Tell me about what happened to James and Rebecca!  I missed something!  I thought they had planned a May wedding??? 


JoanP, sorry to be so confusing.  While reading this I was in both words -- the fiction and the fact.  My comment about Osgood finding his lady love was directed to his "real/factual" world.