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« Reply #20240 on: July 25, 2019, 12:12:12 PM »
Ginny mentioned in our Educated discussion,

"I have eye surgery tomorrow, a lens implant,  so I won't be here till Friday."

Let's all wish her good luck, and keep her in our thoughts and prayers.
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« Reply #20241 on: July 26, 2019, 07:13:51 AM »
More on the fight over free e-book lending and libraries. https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/libraries/article/80758-after-tor-experiment-macmillan-expands-embargo-on-library-e-books.html  Some interesting comments by the Library Association and Library officials. I think they have the same sense of what will happen as I do. But maybe the point of MacMillian's actions is to get people to buy more books directly rather than use the library at all.

Here is another editorial on the same subject: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/libraries/article/80689-libraries-must-draw-the-line-on-e-books.html

This all kind of reminds me of when the free music sharing sites became popular. I found a lot of music I would never have run across, and liked, that I would not have before. I bought a lot of CDs as a result of being exposed to music and artists I would otherwise have not run across. When the music associations started complaining, I stopped both using the download sites and pretty much stopped buying CDs. I have not bought CDs in years, and have never bought e-music. Well, now we have YouTube, Amazon, and other sites that I can listen to for free, and new tech to listen on. What did the music association accomplish, then, in the long run?

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« Reply #20242 on: July 26, 2019, 03:54:15 PM »
Ginny,I hope all went well; you still might not feel like squinting at the screen immediately.

Welcome to the herd of us who are looking at the world through new parts, not original manufacture.

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« Reply #20243 on: July 26, 2019, 04:26:53 PM »
Thank you all for the nice wishes. I can see the screen perfectly, am back from the post op visit and it's, in her words, "perfect,"  and I can't articulate how it feels after 76 years to be able to see without external aids.  I can SEE for the first time, there's nothing that equals that. It's truly a miraculous procedure. What a world we live in now,  huh? We can all be  Bionic People now!

I think the idea of another Lady of Shallot like poetry discussion would be fabulous,  Frybabe, and  I am sure Barbara, our resident Poetry Expert  will  love the idea for Fall, as soon as her eyes permit her to see in here.


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« Reply #20244 on: July 26, 2019, 05:02:18 PM »
I look forward to having Barb back with us. I am sure she will have several poems at the tip of her tongue to suggest. Most of the ones I have here to read are epics and a bit long: Gilgamesh, Song of Roland, Evangeline.

Oh, I forgot to mention, Ginny, that I saw Mary Beard's program on Julius Caesar the other night. I think the release date on it was 2018. I am glad to hear that you are please with the results of your eye surgery. Don't you just love how colors just pop out at you now? 

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« Reply #20245 on: July 26, 2019, 06:36:33 PM »
You should watch her new Gifford Lectures, very prestigious things, quite a few of them, tackling every difficult subject about the Romans there is.

And of course nobody should miss her Boris Johnson debate.

It's the sharpness and clarity I see, after being legally blind without correction, everything a blur, nothing standing out, now everything stands out. There are leaves on trees, individual leaves, there are blades of grass, and you can see them. I can see drops of dew on the grass, something I could not see despite having worn contacs since 1957.   I can see my hand in front of my face.  I waited a year before doing the second eye, because I wanted to be sure I had at least  one I could see with. Some modern medicine is truly miraculous.


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« Reply #20246 on: July 30, 2019, 09:31:00 AM »
I really am sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings but Jane's husband Ray died this morning.

He was a  wonderful, truly wonderful person.

I am SO sorry to hear this news. Our hearts go out to Jane in love and sympathy in this great loss.


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« Reply #20247 on: July 30, 2019, 04:48:17 PM »
I'm so sorry  my first time back (thank you, ginnie) after being "banned"is to see the sad news about Jane's Ray.  Had been keeping up with her posts in Seniors and Friends so knew the outlook wasn't good..

Looking forward to catching up with all of you.

CallieOK, who really is o.k. now.😁


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« Reply #20248 on: July 30, 2019, 05:00:09 PM »
Welcome back, Callie, It's good to see you here.

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« Reply #20249 on: July 30, 2019, 05:47:44 PM »
Welcome back, Callie!  It is a very sad day, but  seeing you is a helpful upper.

We have missed you!  Can't wait to hear what you are reading or  your thoughts.


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« Reply #20250 on: July 31, 2019, 05:28:15 AM »
Jane, my heartfelt condolences to you and your family over Ray's passing.


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« Reply #20251 on: July 31, 2019, 05:29:10 AM »
Callie, welcome back.

bellamarie

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« Reply #20252 on: August 02, 2019, 08:46:00 AM »
Welcome back Callie, we have missed you! 

Prayers and condolences to Jane on the loss of her dear husband.

I just started reading The Clockmaker's Daughter by Kate Morton, and it has really grabbed my interest.  I had to wait 4 months on the library list to finally borrow it.  Worth the wait, so far and I am already at Chapter five. 
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« Reply #20253 on: August 03, 2019, 12:26:39 AM »
Glad to see your post Callie - looks like we are all docking in - for me an eventful month - hadn't done much reading - finished an easy Irish cozy mystery, (Cruel Winter) one afternoon and evening because I couldn't take it any longer not reading and it was an easy quick light kindle read.

I've put The Banished Immortal: A Life of Li Bai on my shopping list - sounds like a winner - remembering years ago we read Ha Jin and then did get to met him at the Texas Book Festival here in Austin.

Now that would be interesting, to read about Caesar with all the Caesar scholars we are privileged to know here on Senior Learn - I know you are really busy once the Latin classes start Ginny - but could you fit us in if we took it real slow. We could take the entire fall from September to the end of November if Ginny you thought you could come in with background and guidance a couple of days a week.   

Our family is thrilled, Grandson got into U Penn Law coupled simultaneously with an advanced degree in City Planning - awarded grants and scholarships that will cut the cost down to less than half for the 4 years of study... whew... 

Jane so sorry about your loss - you and your husband fought hard to the end - you're in my prayers.
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« Reply #20254 on: August 03, 2019, 05:55:36 AM »
Yay! Barb is back!

A special congratulations to your Grandson.

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« Reply #20255 on: August 03, 2019, 12:10:10 PM »
yea barb! glad you are back!
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« Reply #20256 on: August 03, 2019, 01:38:19 PM »
OH my thanks for the welcome - will chat haphazardly till late next week - daughter leaves on Tuesday and I need a day or two to get me and my house going again - and then a good 6 weeks of dog days of summer for us - to catch up on reading - looking forward to hearing what everyone is reading - now to keep the lawn from completely disappearing - no water in the last 3 weeks with  100 degree temps has done its work - finally overcaste today but something tells me we will not get any rain out of it...

Before I left Saluda purchased jar after jar of various jams - fun names - where the first letter of the various fruits are put together to make a word - so help me if it was not for elderberries they would be stuck for a vowel other than apple - I made some jam before I left with all the leftover's in my frig and added lots of nutmeg and ginger - and so part of the trip we were trying to create a name for my jam based on blueberries, apple, peaches, nutmeg and ginger - best we could do was make a silent G and do GNAP-B - any ideas?

From the orchard owner got large jars of spiced peaches and apple butter plus smaller jars of pickled beets, bread and butter pickles and then the jams - Frog, Peach Pecan, Traffic, Muscadine, Mayhaw, Harvest and a few more - all jams you cannot find in a grocery story - the fun of traveling to another area of the country.
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« Reply #20257 on: August 04, 2019, 07:18:11 AM »
Barbara. welcome back, we have missed you! Did you see the idea Frybabe had above about doing a  Narrative Poetry read (like the Ancient Mariner or the  Lady of Shallot?).

FROG Jam?  I'm afraid to ask. hahahaha

Tell you one thing, that Muscadine Jam is worth its weight in gold, it's literally the pits to make, I hope you bought many jars. Was it higher in price than the others?

I'm so sorry I can't help with the Caesar, in addition to the projected 18 courses I have here and in person,  I was lucky enough at the Conference in NYC I just attended on a grant, to be sent in email  an entire 410 course in Livy by one of the illustrious speakers. It's  the most incredible gift, it's  even got his personal  notes. It's  just out of this world but it's going  to take every spare minute I have  outside of the courses already in progress  to adapt it for the spring, IF I can get that done at all by then. I truly have no time, but I appreciate the thought anyway.

Many congratulations on your grandson's achievements! UPenn!  How exciting! My home town. I love the gates on the campus

"We will find a way, or we will make one."

Good motto for anybody!

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« Reply #20258 on: August 04, 2019, 08:16:32 AM »
Oh, WOW, Ginny, a course on Livy. I take it you plan on teaching it in the spring. Way back when, my very first book of Roman history was a translation of Livy's The History of Early Rome, translated by Aubrey De Selincourt, and published by Penguin Classics, 1971 edition.  I still have it. You could say that it is the foundation of my collection on Roman history and literature.

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« Reply #20259 on: August 04, 2019, 11:12:48 AM »
I'm so sorry to learn about Jane's husband.

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« Reply #20260 on: August 04, 2019, 06:18:37 PM »
Magnificent gates, Ginny. Just the thing to get out of Barb's jam!

Doing a Narrative Poetry read...I've always thought Alexander Pope's The Rape of the Lock would make for an interesting discussion. The poet heard from Bishop Berkeley in a letter which reads as follows:

'I have accidentally met with your Rape of the Lock...having never seen it before. Style, painting, judgement, spirit, I had already admired in other of your writings; but in this I am charmed with the magic of your invention, with all those images, allusions, and inexplicable beauties, which you raise so surprisingly , and at the same time so naturally out of a trifle.'

And now for that jam sandwich I'm going to have for my dinner. Thanks, Barb. So good to have you back.

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« Reply #20261 on: August 05, 2019, 02:36:25 PM »
I just read thru your discussion on “Education”. I have a question for you librarians: how are memoirs classified? Are they put with the non-fiction/biography? How is a memoir different from an autobiography? Or is it different? I understand biography, written by someone other than the subject, should be supported by research, documentation that gives us “facts”. My sense is that memoir doesn’t need those activities, but relies on the memory of the writer. Still I am always aware when reading any non-fiction that it may be biased for or against the people and events in the story.
Interesting discussion on”Education”, good job with the facilitation Ginny.

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« Reply #20262 on: August 05, 2019, 04:02:12 PM »
Interesting idea, Jonathan.  I haven't read the Pope.  I'll take a look at it.

Frybabe, I've read both Gilgamesh and The Song of Roland, and I agree with you that they would be a bit much.  Gilgamesh is very long, somewhat fragmented, and has its dull patches, though it's interesting to have that story and those themes in such an early work.  Roland is shorter, but still long, and its archaic nature makes it slow going.  I'm glad I read both of them, but not sure they would work for a discussion.

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« Reply #20263 on: August 05, 2019, 05:15:57 PM »
Do take a look at it, Pat. And enjoy. Amazing how the poet reconciled the parties over the theft of the snipet of hair. I've enjoyed Pope ever since reading his translation of the Iliad, in my early teens. The Rape, in my Pope book is followed by To the Memory of an Unfortunate Lady, and then a poetic translation of a few letters from Eloise to Abelard. You probably got to read The Dunciad, or An Essay on Man, in college. And how about The Dying Christian to his Soul?

Jean, I have just the book for you. MEMOIR, A HISTORY, by Ben Yagoda. 'From Saint Augustine's Confessions to Augusten Burrough's Running with Scissors, from Julius Caesar to Ulysses Grant, from Mark Twain to David Sedaris, the art of memoir has had a fascinating life....'

So, it's an art form, according to Professor Yagoda. And a very good read.

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« Reply #20264 on: August 06, 2019, 02:50:01 AM »
Jonathan the book you suggested to Jean - looked it up and thought this in the description perfect for today - reminded me of early high school days when we learned personal experience does not support an argument and yet, today that seems to be the main source of judging the value of an issue or thought - quote "Memoir has become the central form of the culture: not only the way stories are told, but the way arguments are put forth, products and properties marketed, ideas floated, acts justified, reputations constructed or salvaged. How did we come to this pass? The only way to answer that question is to go back a couple of thousand years and tell the story from the beginning,"

Never did get into the book Education - sounds like the author was using personal experience as the thesis towards a conclusion.  Ran into that over and over with family members who compared family happenings to the current political scene - boy was that a sure way to get backs up - relief from that approach is why I love talking here among our group about storylines and books - we never have to get into the current social or personal storyline to understand and find the themes - I've learned so much about human nature reading with such a wise group.

Had to go back - looks like I missed a few posts and now I'm excited about the idea of doing a long poem or Epic - I remember fondly the poignant romance of Evangeline - Visited a few years ago the church and statue in Acadia Parish, Louisiana. We read it in seventh grade, just as we were entering our early teens - perfect timing - ah and Roland - more of an adventure story - if I remember they go into battle after the death of Roland - seems to me that was 8th grade and we were filled with learning about priests and bishops fighting on the battle field and how different during WWII and then learning of the bravery of some WWII battlefield priests.

I do not think I ever did read Rape of the Lock - that and Don Juan by Lord Byron are on my list of TBR - Oh and The Legend of Parzival: The Epic Story of his Quest for the Grail - We've only touch the tip of Epic poems or Chansons - there are all the German and Icelandic Sagas - love it - yes, yes, yes, lets do one - I could do with some pre-twentieth century text, culture and storyline.
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« Reply #20265 on: August 06, 2019, 06:26:46 AM »
I finished up reading Under Heaven last night. Both it and River of Stars, while only focusing on a small segment of time in ancient Chinese history, gave me an awareness of time flowing endlessly, diverging, flowing back again, the whirls and eddies and currents, the choices and unexpected events that alter a timeline from where they might have otherwise gone. Kay weaves in a rich mixture of history, myth, legend, superstition and religious ritual, poetry and poets, and descriptions of the land and culture. And, of course, the eternal conflict between bureaucratic and military interests. Some of the characters you meet were based on real people. The characters are somewhat inclined to be philosophical and introspective at times. Each choice you make, big or small, leads you down a path. Which path would you take, and where might it lead? What paths have you taken that were altered by unexpected events?

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« Reply #20266 on: August 06, 2019, 07:14:16 AM »
Wow, what exciting posts here today, a pleasure to come in and read!

Frybabe, on Aubrey De Selincourt: Yes, that's it! Ab Urbe Condita. The diversity of your reading, yours and Jonathan's, never ceases to amaze me.  This particular course is directed at a later book than I-V, which the de Selincourt does, it's really  in the late 30's: might take a while to get there.  We actually have one course reading Livy now, but not the subject of this one, so it may take some time but I'm excited about it. Thanks for noticing.

Jean,(Mabel), thank you. I am glad you read it, I've heard from a good many people who have read the discussion.  Excellent question,  we need a librarian to answer it, too, I love it. We have quite a few retired librarians among us and our Jane,  of course, who  can't right now,  but if it's not answered by the time she comes back she'd be perfect for the job. We won't forget it.

It's good to see you here. How are things in your neck of the woods?  How are you doing? Are you doing any new lectures this year?

I felt a little "homesick" looking at the photo of U Penn, all I do now is fly in and out of NY and NJ and never seem to get back to the areas of  PA and NJ where I grew up. I do miss those creme doughnuts, :), the hand made  Easter Eggs of coconut and chocolate, and "real" chopped chicken liver which I have not had since I left almost 60 years ago.


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« Reply #20267 on: August 06, 2019, 04:48:23 PM »
Frybabe, your descriptions are trying to force me to have another look for my copy of Under Heaven and finally read it.  It sounds worth the trouble.

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« Reply #20268 on: August 07, 2019, 12:06:05 AM »
Toni Morrison, Nobel Laureate and Beloved Author, age 88, died Monday night, August 5



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/books/remembering-toni-morrison.html
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« Reply #20269 on: August 07, 2019, 06:40:07 AM »
It is PatH, if you are interested in ancient Chinese history. The fictional poet featured in this tale represents Li Bai (or Li Bo), The Banished Immortal. Interesting synopsis of the development of paper in the Tang Dynasty (Under Heaven), and the Song Dynasty (River of Stars). https://www.ancient.eu/article/1120/paper-in-ancient-china/

Ginny, in the last chapter of Carthage Must Be Destroyed, Richard Miles gives a short but interesting view of the differences of opinion between Livy and Polybius regarding the Punic Wars and the future of Rome. Essentially, one saw the outcome of the wars as a portend and warning that Rome will eventually succumb, not to exterior wars, but from decadence and strife from within as a result of the loss of a major rival to keep Rome on its toes (loss of a balance of power). The other believed that the fall of Carthage would bring even more greatness and prosperity to the Roman people. He also connects Gracchus' land reforms and the resulting Civil War directly to winning the war against Carthage.

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« Reply #20270 on: August 07, 2019, 03:15:02 PM »
Which was which, Frybabe? I am curious.

Polybius and Livy were quite different in their approaches, and Polybius had his own ideas about what history was and who should write it, he was quite critical of other historians. It's a shame since Polybius wrote in  Greek that we can't compare them in a reading  unless we read Polybius in koine, but Livy actually used Polybius as a source for his Punic Wars, so that's an interesting comment.


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« Reply #20271 on: August 07, 2019, 03:19:27 PM »
For those of you who have been with us for a while, I've been informed by Barbara who saw it on Faceboook, and by Larry Hanna's son,  that Larry died on July 28.

His son said that his Hospice care was wonderful ans as a result Larry was very happy (which I can attest by the letter he wrote me).

Larry was a wonderful, kind, and thoughtful man who put in untold hours here of work, trying to build our Books area both here and on SeniorNet, and we really will miss him and his shining attitude about everything.

I thought you might like to know,  if you go back far enough to remember him.

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« Reply #20272 on: August 07, 2019, 03:49:59 PM »
Hello, Everyone.  It's nice to be back among you.  Thank you so much, Ginny, for making that happen.

I'm active on Seniors and Friends so knew about Larry Hanna.   Larry had posted until just a few days before his death.  He "walked us through" his experience with Hospice care with a marvelous attitude.   I didn't realize he had been such an asset here. He will be missed on both sites.

Neither did I realize that Barb had been missing for such a long time.  Glad you were back when I got here again.

My summer reading has mostly been from the national and Oklahoma City Best Seller Lists.  Also looked up a few popular authors and got on the waiting list for books coming out later this year.
The only "deep reading" I've done (which depends on your definition of "deep"  ;) ) is David McCullough's biography of Harry Truman.  Very detailed and I just barely got finished before it was due.

That reminded me of a summer when I decided to start reading a biography of each president and even thought I might look for one that was "favorable" and another that was "critical".  Well....that wasn't really a good project for a time when sons/neighbor kids were in and out all day long and teacher hubby was on summer break and home for lunch.   ::)  I didn't get very far.

I do have a couple of other McCullough books (not biographies) on my library e-book "Wish List" but who knows when I'll find that particular Round Tuit.

So...I'll see you around the site and will participate when I can.



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« Reply #20273 on: August 07, 2019, 08:28:21 PM »
Callie, I often watch Brian Lamb’s program Q&A on C-Span on Sunday nights.  I saw David McCullough a few months ago talking about his newest book “The Pioneers”.  It sounded so interesting and I meant to put it on my book list and forgot.  I’m glad you mentioned him.  He was noticeably older than when I last saw him but still has that beautiful voice and sharp mind.

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« Reply #20274 on: August 07, 2019, 09:39:39 PM »
Thank you all for your kind words.  Anyone who has lost a loved one, and everyone, I think, has by this time in our lives, it’s a very difficult time for me. 

Mabel...I think most libraries agree with you and would include memoirs with biographies/autobiographies.  My own small town public library has Educated in Biographies.  New York Public Library has this for their cataloging of the same book:


Author   Westover, Tara, author.
Title   Educated : a memoir / Tara Westover.
Publisher   New York : Random House, [2018]
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Contents   Choose the good -- The midwife -- Cream shoes -- Apache women -- Honest dirt -- Shield and buckler -- The Lord will provide -- Tiny harlots -- Perfect in his generations -- Shield of feathers -- Instinct -- Fish eyes -- Silence and the churches -- My feet no longer touch the earth -- No more a child -- Disloyal man, disobedient heaven -- To keep it holy -- Blood and feathers -- In the beginning -- Recitals of the fathers -- Skullcap -- What we whispered and what we screamed -- "I'm from Idaho" -- A knight, errant -- The work of sulphur -- Waiting for moving water -- If i were a woman -- Pygmalion -- Graduation -- The hand of the almighty -- Tragedy -- A brawling woman in a wide house -- Sorcery of physics -- The substance of things -- West of the sun -- Four long arms, whirling -- Gambling for redemption -- The family, morality, and social science -- The princess -- Educated.
Summary   "Tara Westover was seventeen the first time she set foot in a classroom. Born to survivalists in the mountains of Idaho, she prepared for the end of the world by stockpiling home-canned peaches and sleeping with her "head-for-the-hills bag." In the summer she stewed herbs for her mother, a midwife and healer, and in the winter she salvaged in her father's junkyard. The family was so isolated from mainstream society that there was no one to ensure the children received an education, and no one to intervene when one of Tara's older brothers became violent. As a way out, Tara began to educate herself, learning enough mathematics and grammar to be admitted to Brigham Young University. Her quest for knowledge would transform her, taking her over oceans and across continents, to Harvard and to Cambridge. Only then would she wonder if she'd traveled too far, if there was still a way home. With the acute insight that distinguishes all great writers, Tara Westover has crafted a universal coming-of-age story that gets to the heart of what an education offers: the perspective to see one's life through new eyes, and the will to change it."--Provided by publisher.

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Subject   Westover, Tara -- Family.
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« Reply #20275 on: August 08, 2019, 07:03:08 AM »
THERE is our Jane! {{{HUGS!!}}} So good to see you here.  How are you getting on?

And thank you for that, it's interesting, isn't it? What a good question that was, Jean, and now we know.

Frybabe, that Carthage Must be Destroyed has some scathing reviews on Amazon, have you read them? Apparently the thesis of the author is Romans & Greeks: bad, Everybody else in the ancient world=good?

Callie, yes, Larry goes way back with us, SeniorNet,  1996, we used to call him the "Father of the Books" here. Did a lot technically as to how the Books looked on SeniorNet  Back in the Day. Wonderful man. So good to see you back, too, you're welcome for the help.  The website seems to take "notions" sometimes, sometimes it won't let me in, usually when I'm using an iphone or ipad it doesn't recognize.  I think they sometimes decide to "tweak" it on the server end and the rest of us then pay the price. :)  The good news, though,  is the  server  we have almost (cross fingers) never goes down, which is lovely.

 We are so glad you are back! How impressive is that, reading one book on each president! My gosh!! Have you discovered anything about one you did not know? I would be hard pressed to name them all, isn't that shameful?

FlaJean, I just heard about that book, and being McCullough I bet it's fabulous. I think the Pioneers are fascinating, that's all we used to read about as children, the pioneers, going west, leaving their belongings behind on steep hills, etc., fording streams with logs, etc., Little House on the Prairie.  Even our books in school were about that, I was able to buy the the 4th grade reader I used as a child and that's what it 's mostly about; in the 3rd grade they went out west and in the 4th they began to form towns.  Those old children's readers of the past, what gorgeous illustrations, nothing like that today. Stories had plots, with conclusions. There was a point to reading the story. Ah well...:)

Barbara, what a beautiful photo of Toni Morrison, just as she should be remembered: powerful.

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« Reply #20276 on: August 08, 2019, 10:38:20 AM »
So sorry to hear of the passing of Larry, who was instrumental with our site.  Condolences to all his loved ones.

Mabel, good to hear you read through our discussion on the book Educated

Mabel,
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I just read thru your discussion on “Education”. I have a question for you librarians: how are memoirs classified? Are they put with the non-fiction/biography? How is a memoir different from an autobiography? Or is it different? I understand biography, written by someone other than the subject, should be supported by research, documentation that gives us “facts”. My sense is that memoir doesn’t need those activities, but relies on the memory of the writer.

Jane it is so good to see you. 
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Mabel...I think most libraries agree with you and would include memoirs with biographies/autobiographies.

This may help answer the question and clarify the difference between a memoir, biography and autobiography.

Getting Started on Your Memoir
5 ELEMENTS of Memoir

Memoir tells a compelling story using truth, theme, 1st person POV narration, voice, and a fifth element—the M&Ms of writing, Memory and Musing.

1. TRUTH
It really happened. We know the trouble writers can get into by not remembering
this. But the bigger dilemma is how not telling the truth leaves the reader; it not only
weakens the relationship with the author, it destroys it. No longer trust them. This
can be tricky because not everything in a memoir is word for word true. Who can
remember exactly what their dad said at breakfast fifty years ago? Dialogue serves to
further the theme.
In memoir, the author stands behind her story saying to the readers, “This happened;
this is true.” What is important about this is that the reader believes the story is
true, which in turn requires the writer to be rigorously honest.

2. THEME Memoir is different from autobiography in choice of subject matter.
JB: “An autobiography is a story of a life: name implies that the writer will somehow
attempt to capture all essential elements of that life. …Memoir, on the other hand,
makes no pretense of replicating a whole life. Indeed, one of the important skills of
memoir writing is the selection of the theme or themes that will bind the work
together…”

3. VOICE
JB: “Voice has been said to be the fingerprint of the writer, not the person on the
page… The writer with her own particular linguistic quirks, sentence rhythms,
recurring images.

4. POV- First Person Narrative
First person (singular):I—“I woke up this morning.” The narrator is the protagonist; the
person who is telling story.
JB: “Separating yourself as a writer from yourself as protagonist will help give you
necessary perspective to craft memoir as a story. It will also decrease the degree to
which you feel exposed as others critique your work.”

5. THE ONGOING ATTEMPT TO ARRIVE AT ANSWERS
Memoir is about perception. What is important/significant about a particular set of
events? What do you remember about a certain event? Why? What did you think
when it happened? What do you think now? The M&Ms of memoir. (Musing & Memory) In a sense, in writing memoir “It is all about you.”

Ethel Lee-Miller Thinking of Miller Place: A Memoir of Summer Comfort (ELM)
Lorraine Ash- Life Touches Life: A Mother's Story of Stillbirth and Healing; Self and
Soul (LA)
Judith Barrington- Writing a Memoir (JB)
©Ethel Lee-Miller 5/09 etheleemiller@me.com www.etheleemiller.com

Here is a very informative article in comparing the differences between writing a memoir, biography and autobiography.
https://www.authorlearningcenter.com/writing/i-have-an-idea/w/choosing-your-topic/6397/the-differences-between-memoir-autobiography-and-biography---article

Wow, you all are reading such interesting books, I can barely keep up with all these title. 

I just finished reading The Clockmaker's Daughter by Kate Morton.

Overview
A rich, spellbinding new novel from the author of The Lake House—the story of a love affair and a mysterious murder that cast their shadow across generations, set in England from the 1860s until the present day.

My real name, no one remembers.
The truth about that summer, no one else knows.

In the summer of 1862, a group of young artists led by the passionate and talented Edward Radcliffe descends upon Birchwood Manor on the banks of the Upper Thames. Their plan: to spend a secluded summer month in a haze of inspiration and creativity. But by the time their stay is over, one woman has been shot dead while another has disappeared; a priceless heirloom is missing; and Edward Radcliffe’s life is in ruins.

Over one hundred and fifty years later, Elodie Winslow, a young archivist in London, uncovers a leather satchel containing two seemingly unrelated items: a sepia photograph of an arresting-looking woman in Victorian clothing, and an artist’s sketchbook containing the drawing of a twin-gabled house on the bend of a river.

Why does Birchwood Manor feel so familiar to Elodie? And who is the beautiful woman in the photograph? Will she ever give up her secrets?

Told by multiple voices across time, The Clockmaker’s Daughter is a story of murder, mystery, and thievery, of art, love, and loss. And flowing through its pages like a river, is the voice of a woman who stands outside time, whose name has been forgotten by history, but who has watched it all unfold: Birdie Bell, the clockmaker’s daughter.


I truly enjoyed this book.
“What on earth could be more luxurious than a sofa, a book, and a cup of coffee?...Was ever anything so civil?”
__Anthony Trollope, The Warden

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« Reply #20277 on: August 08, 2019, 04:51:47 PM »
Thank you all for those great answers to my questions. They were helpful. I love learning things in this manner......I have a question, someone(s) has an answer! That’s also “education”. 😀

My grandson and I were having a conversation about homeschooling, or cyber schooling (Pennsylvania is now providing k-12 computer schooling) vs going to a school. We both agreed that we felt we would miss a lot not being with other students (learning social skills, differing points of view, etc) Of course we both went to good public schools, we might be more positively responsive to alternatives if we had had lousy schools and teachers.

Ginny - things seem to be good for your old stomping grounds. We’ve had a most unusual summer based on my long time experience of summers. I grew up in rural/small town Pa and it seemed every summer we were concerned with the drought, conserving water, was it going to rain? This summer and recent summers here in South Jersey we’ve had rain a couple times every week and we are concerned with flash floods and trees falling down because of saturated ground.

I’m looking forward to reading McCullough’s Pioneers. I should have read it before the last library presentation which was about “women of the west.” Knowing DMcC I’m sure he included women’s experience. 💓 Yes, we are at “w” in the alphabet in that series, almost finished, but some have asked me to start it over. There certainly are enough wonderful women to be able to do that.

Ginny you may be interested that in the other series’ -an afternoon group where there is a subject that each person researches and brings their info to the group -  next subject is “women in the neighborhood” (south Jersey) I suggested some -Elizabeth Haddon-founder of Haddonfield, Patience Lovell Wright of Bordentown - the first  professional, internationally known American woman sculptor, Elizabeth White - developer of the domestic blueberry, and, of course Alice Paul, etc.
Welcome back Jane, RIP Larry. Was he the one who had those beautiful golden retrievers? I loved seeing his pictures.

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« Reply #20278 on: August 08, 2019, 04:52:39 PM »
Callie, Truman is one of those books sitting around calling out "read me".  I've got a lot left from my history buff husband.  He was most enthusiastic about the book, but it's massive--a real accomplishment to get all the way through it.

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« Reply #20279 on: August 08, 2019, 04:58:35 PM »
Bellmarie, thanks for the list of characteristics of a memoir; That's interesting and helpful.

The Clockmaker's Daughter sounds like something I wouldn't be able to put down.