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Re: The Library
« Reply #20400 on: October 02, 2019, 04:14:38 PM »

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« Reply #20401 on: October 02, 2019, 04:19:29 PM »
I'm using the one available online that is linked above,  translated by Lady Charlotte Guest. It is available as a hardback copy on Amazon for $24.95 with the resale used copy ahum priced at $116.49 - there is also a soft back version that is reasonably priced at $8.99 - The notes she provides on each chapter make this almost an annotated version

The annotated version explains more about the story telling and Lady Charlotte Guest - quoting from Mabinogion, the Four Branches of The Mabinogi (Annotated) by Colin Jones

"Cyfarwydd was the title given to the story-teller in old Welsh society, who had a fairly high status.
Cyfarwydd also has connections in Welsh with ‘familiar’ and ‘magic’. I imagine the Cyfarwydd travelling
from area to area, entertaining different audiences as they went. And with a series of stories like the
Mabinogi, it's not hard to imagine the Cyfarwydd entertaining an audience for a series of nights in one location."

"There are two important manuscripts, which contain what we now refer to as the Mabinogi. 

The White book of Rhydderch, or Llyfr Gwyn Rhydderch can be found in the collection of the
National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth. Although the manuscript was copied in the mid-14th Century,
probably for Rhydderch ab Ieuan Llwyd (hence its name, the white book of Rhydderch) it contains
material from an oral tradition which goes back much further; the tradition of the Cyfarwydd.

The Red Book of Hergest, or Llyfr Coch Hergest is now kept at the Bodleian Library Oxford;
again, recording materials from an oral tradition. The manuscript dates from around 1400, and with
a bit of searching images of it can be found on-line. These manuscripts were of course written in Welsh,
 a language which can lay claim, together with Irish, Manx, Cornish, Scots Gaelic, and Breton, to be the
oldest living language in Europe, since they all developed from the same root language."

"Lady Charlotte Guest was quite a remarkable woman. She came to Wales after marrying the Welsh
industrialist John Guest, and continued running his Dowlais Iron Company for some time after his death.
As well as speaking Welsh, she had also taught herself Persian, Hebrew and Arabic, but her translation
of the Mabinogion which we remember, and which did Wales and Welsh culture a great service.

Should the Mabinogion actually be called the Mabinogi? Are the terms interchangeable? An error in one of
the original manuscripts meant that Mabinogion was considered by Lady Charlotte Guest and some others
to be the plural of Mabinogi. This term is only found at the end of the first branch, the others use the term Mabinogi.

The collection of stories which lady Charlotte Guest translated, now referred to as the Mabinogion Collection
contains a large number of stories, including Culwch and Olwen, The Dream of Maxen Wledig, and
The Lady of the Fountain. However, strictly speaking the term Mabinogi itself refers to the
Four Branches of the Mabinogi, which are collected here.

The word Mabinogi itself is probably connected to the Welsh mab or son. The Tales in the Four Branches seem
to involve what happened during the lifetime of Pryderi, the son of Pwyll. Indeed, some of the tales seem to involve
what happened around Pryderi, rather than documenting the part that Pryderi played in them."

And so with that it appears no translation is complete and if we are reading from different translated copies we may find different stories included.

The book available written by Colin Jones is not inclusive and only includes four of the stories translated by Charlotte Guest - and so with all that scholarship and he does not offer a translated copy of all the stories that evidently are in a White volume and a Red volume -

Further we have published in 1868 William Skene's anthology of dark-age Welsh Bardic poetry. Often cited, but difficult to obtain, this book contains every remaining piece of Bardic poetry known.

The poems are translated from four manuscripts: the Black Book of Caermarthen,
the Red Book of Hergest (which is also the source of the Mabinogion), the Book of Taliessin and
the Book of Aneurin, all of which date from the twelfth to the fifteenth centuries C.E.

The poems themselves date from much earlier, probably from the sixth century by internal evidence.
This corpus is one of the treasures of world literature. It is also the only true source material for
the study of Bardic lore, which reputedly preserved the esoteric (and long-lost) beliefs of the Druids.
The poems are infused throughout with mystic clarity, strange flashes of wisdom, and insight into
humanity and nature.

All the books available that include in the title, from the Red Book of Hergest are translations by Lady Charlotte Guest

The only affordable book from the The White book of Rhydderch is written in Welsh - there is one also with a $28 price tag that says it is in both English and Welsh - all the others cost minimum $869.46

And so with all of the above it appears Lady Charlotte Guest is one of the better choices - if other authors/translators include stories not included in Lay Charlotte Guest's publication could they be announced and then summarized for us after we finish the 11 that Lady Charlotte translated. We planned a wrap up week and we may need more than one if there are several more stories available.
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20402 on: October 02, 2019, 06:37:10 PM »
Project Gutenberg has Lady Charlotte Guest's version, no annotations though. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5160

They also have Sir Edward Owen Morgan's edition of her work which includes illustrations and footnotes. This is presented in three volumes.
http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/titles/m  This page is the page of titles beginning with M. You will need to scroll down to Mabinigoin for the listing. They show the volumes under both names. They are the same. Project Gutenberg cross-references their listings by author, illustrator, etc. which explains seeing the volumes twice.

My sister and I had a lovely lunch and meeting today even though there were no presentations. I did mention Senior Learn and gave them the web address. Sue wrote it down in her notes (she is secretary for the group now). I don't know if anyone else did.


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Re: The Library
« Reply #20403 on: October 07, 2019, 12:22:42 PM »
Fall fell on us last night... after 10: in the morning and only 69 degrees outside - yesterday it was 99 - that is a 30 degree drop - the house has not yet cooled off - all the windows and doors are open but the attic is holding on to the heat as are most of the rooms since heat rises - I probably need to turn on the fan for the AC and move the air... we need rain so badly but one thing at a time - also this only lasts for 2 or 3 days and then back up - hopefully only in the mid 90s - by the end of the month this should be the end of it but then this entire year has been breaking heat records - so we shall see...

Started culling my books last week and I'm still at it - no sense in hanging on to so many of these business books and I ended up with an arm load of books on aging - enough - realized my identity is what it is and for me it appears to be still based on what I do - I will create my own version of what it means to be old and part of that appears to be that I can pass along a legacy of skills that disappeared for 40 years like needlework and cooking - both skills I love and had studied in classes here and in Europe and teach the younger generation who are anxious now to learn these skills as well as, put family memories on paper for the younger generation in the family in the form of letters - and so I may not have a label but I have decided on my work -

I realized just grabbing something to eat at lunch time is such a waste - I have no pressing engagements so why not fix a simple meal - cooking fresh food is fun and certainly a lot better for my health than a sandwich - with all my cookbooks but none are specific to a certain diet and so my order came this weekend of The Paleo Approach which I bet will have a great affect on my combo tummy and thyroid problem - since the thyroid meds are doing more harm than good I'm convinced getting my tummy in shape will go a long way to finding the real culprit - so much store purchased food is full of chemicals that never sat well with my systems - and so between taking the time to cook all meals from fresh grown foods and learning more about the digestive system and how food turns to energy in the body I may end up cracking how my body is reacting as it ages - Doctors only seem to use tests that only test one thing - to me that is like testing the oil, gas and water that runs a vehicle and the various parts that receive the oil, gas and water without looking at the quality of the oil, gas and water or the balance of the various systems to each other- I'm thinking acupuncture makes more sense and has more going for it.

What would I ever do without books - I realize I turn to authors time after time for consultation - hmm I guess when you are not in the financial position to surround yourself with professional consultants you seek out what you can and authors sure served me better than the collective reasoning from friends, neighbors or family.

I must say of all the books about the Thyroid I have read the best two so far are - Hashimoto's Protocol: A 90-Day Plan for Reversing Thyroid Symptoms and Getting Your Life Back and Eat Dirt: Why Leaky Gut May Be the Root Cause of Your Health Problems and 5 Surprising Steps to Cure It

Do y'all realize there is ONLY 12 weeks till Christmas - shoot - so much I wanted to do this year - we shall see - joy though - two of my grandsons are coming for a weekend visit during the Formula One races the first weekend in November - do not care the reason - they should have fun but I am delighted they will be staying with me which also means their parents, my son and daughter-in-law will be here for an afternoon - fun, fun, fun, - all but Cody who is deep in his studies - took him till his late 20s to figure out he really wants a combined engineering and architect degree - this way he also can pay for his education without a loan, having worked for 8 years after high school where as Cooper, his twin has a student loan to pay off.

Well more books to sort - this weather is making me feel like that pink bunny advertising some battery - do not even need a cup of coffee on a day like this...
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20404 on: October 07, 2019, 08:15:16 PM »
Yikes!  Not even quite twelve weeks now.  Time flies.

I'm back in Bethesda, and found my copy of The Mabinogion.  It's translated by Jeffrey Gantz, who seems to have done it fresh out of grad school.  It's got a lot of notes, so maybe it'll be useful, but I'll mostly stick with Guest.  I'm looking forward to this.

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« Reply #20405 on: October 08, 2019, 01:10:26 PM »
I'm luxuriating in the cool weather - back to the 90s again tomorrow but there is another norther predicted for this weekend that is really expected to plummet temps -

Opened my first jar of TRAFFIC Jam - at first the peach flavor comes through - the consistency and color is like the red raspberry but I did not taste raspberry - the next flavor I tasted was a strong strawberry and followed by the cherry that did not linger as long as the strawberry and maybe later after a mouthful of coffee there is a the hint of cranberry - an interesting complex jam - of course sugar which means  this is NOT a food to reverse autoimmune disease - although I am shocked at how much good food in in this Paleo approach - most meats and veggies - as to sugar - refined is the key - evidently sugar is not the problem - it is the refining of sugar - seems like it is all about getting back to food before it is doctored to extend its shelf life

I'm thinking that is what reading Mabinogion is going to show us - since our lives today are run on and by technology, almost refined for added shelf life, experiencing  incidents of heroic behavior no longer appears to be a goal for our youth - proving yourself in battle built self esteem in young men till the Viet Nam war, when purpose and the prolific use of drugs followed since by the greater and greater use of technology completely changed the meaning of war - not just that the nation was split over Viet Nam and the soldiers took the brunt of the ugly side of that split but, there were so many who fought with no clear victory or more, under the influence and so they did not build their own esteem as the soldiers coming home after WWII saw their individual heroism with the result when they returned home, they believed they could do anything. War for thousands of years was a rite of passage for young men where today, young men fighting are tools for the power brokers who do not lead much less join the fray.     

I have not read any of the myths centered around women, like The Lady of the Lake or the Mists of Avalon so that I am looking forward to reading the Lady of the Fountain right off the bat, first week as we read Mabinogion.
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20406 on: October 09, 2019, 01:27:14 AM »
I love this a new use for books - the entire youtube is great if getting up after a fall is a concern but about 6 minutes in there is a great new use for books... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ETgQD8QhZs&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0_gZtI8AjljNqiWtyGp5EuC0dL_f_v9FR4N7HGemP-agypz5y0R_zVxHk
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20407 on: October 09, 2019, 02:49:59 PM »
Bellamarie, I haven't seen you around for a while.  Is all well?

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« Reply #20408 on: October 10, 2019, 12:26:29 PM »
PatH.,  Thank you for asking, I have been a bit busy with my sister in the hospital.  It was not looking too good for her last Wed., but things have improved some this week.  She lost her husband a year ago June, and now she is struggling with liver disease, she was diagnosed with a few years back.  It's been a very stressful few weeks, with her in the University of Michigan hospital which is a hectic hour drive from where I live in Ohio.  I haven't picked up a book in over a month.  I hope all is well with you, I see you are still flying back and forth.  When do you think your move will be final?  I admire your stamina and patience with your situation. 
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« Reply #20409 on: October 10, 2019, 01:44:48 PM »
OH my prayers for your sister...
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« Reply #20410 on: October 10, 2019, 08:35:26 PM »
Thank you Barb. 
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« Reply #20411 on: October 11, 2019, 09:54:04 AM »
Old man weather has lost all sense of moderation - yesterday in the mid 90s and humid ugh - today at minutes to 9: and it is 51 degrees up from the 50 of earlier.
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« Reply #20412 on: October 11, 2019, 10:26:34 AM »
Bellamarie, we're pulling for you and your sister.  Prayers and hugs.

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« Reply #20413 on: October 11, 2019, 10:49:23 AM »
Bellamarie, my thoughts are with your sister and you.

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« Reply #20414 on: October 11, 2019, 09:55:16 PM »
Thank you all, my sister came home from the hospital today, and we are keeping our hopes high and prayers strong for her recovery. 
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« Reply #20415 on: October 12, 2019, 05:33:23 PM »
I was near the University of Toledo campus, so I decided to stop in and browse their Barnes and Noble book store. I found my next read, The Guest Book by Sarah Blake.  I read this author for the first time this summer, titled The Postmistress.  It was a great read, and I have a feeling just reading the first couple of pages in The Guest Book, this one is going to be just as enjoyable.  It came out in 2019, so I was shocked to see it discounted 50% off.  Lucky me! 

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« Reply #20416 on: October 15, 2019, 07:58:25 AM »
That is good news, Bellamarie.

I am now well into Altered Carbon by Richard K. Morgan. Very Noir. Violence and some explicit sex. Best I can tell, the book represents a version of Transhumanism. Very  interesting. I just found out that Netflix has done a series based on the book. Of course there are some changes. My sister says the TV version left her with questions as if the necessary info to completely understand what was going on was missing.

Continuing my listen to Goldsworthy's How Rome Fell. There is a lot in there that I didn't know, like much of the info about later official Emperor's and the later self-proclaimed Emperor's, some of which "ruled" at the same time as others. A lot of them didn't last long in during the power struggles of the late Empire.

I just picked up the audio version of retired USAF Brigadier General Robert Spalding's book, Stealth War: How China Took Over While America's Elite Slept. I hope to start that soon after I finish Goldsworthy.

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« Reply #20417 on: October 20, 2019, 08:34:09 AM »
Good Sunday Morning!  I was visiting my fourteen year old granddaughter the other day, after her having knee surgery.  Hayden and I share the interest of reading books, and writing poems, and she was telling me her class is reading To Kill A Mockingbird.  We had a nice discussion about Harper Lee, and how she never expected to gain so much fame from her book.  I decided to come home and find my recently purchased used copy of it, and began reading it.  I am certain at some time in my school days I have read this book, and I know, I watched the movie with Gregory Peck playing Atticus Finch. I remember Scout, Jem and Dill being afraid to pass Boo Radley's house, and I remember a little bit about the trial, but now that I am reading the first few chapters, I can honestly say, I had forgotten the humor of the three kids, just being kids.  I forgot how they speak of families in ways of just accepting the fact they are poor, black, filthy, etc., and Scout explaining to the young female teacher, Miss Caroline, how Walter Cunningham's family refuses hand outs, and would never take anything from anyone they weren't able to pay back, and Walter would never be able to repay her the quarter she offered him for his lunch money.  I forgot how Scout learned to read at a level beyond her age even before she began school, and how her teacher told her to stop reading at home, because that's not the right way to learn, and how the Dewey Decimal system was the new and upcoming way to teach and learn.  There are so many things I forgot that is in this book.  I'm so glad to see my granddaughter is reading this book today, and know it will have lasting effects on her.  I guess, I am just a bit surprised public schools are even allowing this particular book to be read and discussed in today's politically correct world.  Hayden, her Mom and other grandmother and I had a discussion about how the world is trying to destroy statues that represent our past, our history, events that have brought us to where we are today, the good, the bad and the ugly of it all.  It was a good visit, and I felt there was no age gap between myself at sixty-seven, my daughter in law at forty-two, and my sweet granddaughter at fourteen while expressing our thoughts of how we need history to help us understand people who are different in cultures, politics, races, religion etc.     
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« Reply #20418 on: October 20, 2019, 10:31:48 AM »
Good morning, Bellamarie.  It's good to see you.  What a good conversation to have.  My neighbor, a high school English teacher, told me they were going to take Mockingbird off the curriculum.  I don't know if they did; that was right before it came out first in that vote for best books you've read.  I think it would be a big mistake.

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« Reply #20419 on: October 20, 2019, 02:03:04 PM »
interesting and frankly shocking how our culture has changed - here we have folks without shame panhandling on street corners compared to the dignity of not taking what could not be repaid - on and on it goes - another interesting note is we never hear who or what group starts the movement to rid a city of their statues or as here in Austin change the names of schools and streets by the score because the person whose name was chosen had Confederate attachments - even some of our early Texans their names are removed - the High School kids are especially upset since the names of their school is wrapped up into their loyalty and spirit that is especially meaningful during football season. Reminds me of all the changes made in Soviet Russia that some were changed back when Communism no longer had a grip on its nation.

Because of our reading Mabinogion I also found I had a copy of Merlin, Magic and the Medieval Church and here too the church wanted to be the power and condemned magic and most of the early religious beliefs and practices - the more you look at it from over a thousand years later - the church was simply replacing one set of magic with another - so many of the early Saints and even the Bible stories, if you look at them they were events we were to have faith and just believe that had no logic with as much magic as the culture they were replacing - The difference between Holy Water in a font versus the water from a certain well with its promise of healing is none yet, the well was banned or the name changed or a church built over the well, no different then changing the names of schools and streets along with removing statues - Those soldiers were all brave and some were even courteous but, fought on the loosing side as if wars are won or lost on the battlefield with no acknowledgement of the money that allows one side to win or loose.

And so too with the church as their riches compared to local peasants along with often the support of the kings allowed the church to elevate a Saint for healing or breathing life back into an injured warrior versus vilify natural magic including the supernatural, because it derives its power from properties that are naturally occurring in nature, such as picking an herb during a certain cycle of the moon to increase its efficacy so that those who have this knowledge of nature are called witches - or when it comes down to it, what is the difference blessing a house and hanging a cross or displaying a picture or statue of a saint versus cleansing the air of a house and hanging a corn doll to encourage a good crop and a disease free cottage. Very often I had sellers bury upside down the statue of St. Joseph when their house was put on the market - this practice was supposed to assure a good sale - hmmm and yet, a comfort to the seller so why not.

I'm seeing, establishing 'right' behavior and symbols directly over local cultural practices is really about control for power and establishing a power base. That is why I think it would be valuable to know who starts and pushes for these recent changes that even includes removing from libraries and school curriculum certain books like ...Mockingbird.

Reading sure opens our minds to thoughts we may not have examined and what a meaningful visit Bellamarie to have shared with your family - here your sharing the highlight of your conversation has more of us thinking of these deeper values prompted by Harper Lee's book and the public reaction to it and the times we are living in.
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« Reply #20420 on: October 20, 2019, 06:07:34 PM »
'picking an herb during a certain cycle of the moon to increase its efficacy'

I'd like to learn more about that. Natural wonders are there for our benefit when we tire of scientific fact.

Making The Mockingbird controversial  should get it more readers. What book has done more in the way of sensitization to some social problems. It may yet play an historic role. We only have to remember what Abraham Lincoln saw in Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin.

I'd like to recommend a good read: The Dark Side of the Enlightenment, Wizards, Alchemists, and Spiritual Seekers in the Age of Reason, by John V. Fleming.

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« Reply #20421 on: October 21, 2019, 12:38:00 AM »
Interesting recommendation Jonathan - just the quick excerpt says that alchemy is really just chemistry "of Arabic derivation, and its practitioners were among the principal scientists and physicians of their ages."

The best time for any harvest is just after the full moon, when the sap is high, but the energy has just turned downward. A full moon is also a great time to hang out to dry anything white - the moon bleaches whites far more than the sun ever did. And before we became mechanized the autumn full moon called the harvest moon was a God send since it rose earlier than anytime during the year giving farmers a longer night to bring in their crops and grain which worked for those who grew herbs - again herb growers were often labeled witches - after all like alchemy they knew how to mix herbs to cure a certain ailment. 
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« Reply #20422 on: October 21, 2019, 04:16:12 PM »
PatH.,  I agree, I think it would be a big mistake to ban Mockingbird from schools. It's a shame they are trying to eliminate History of the past, from even being taught anymore.  What is that saying,   'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' (George Santayana-1905). In a 1948 speech to the House of Commons, Winston Churchill changed the quote slightly when he said (paraphrased), 'Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.'Aug 28, 2014

Why ban a book that as you have pointed out, "was voted, the US’s best-loved novel by millions of readers as part of a national poll.  https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/oct/24/to-kill-a-mockingbird-voted-top-great-american-read-in-us-poll

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I'm seeing, establishing 'right' behavior and symbols directly over local cultural practices is really about control for power and establishing a power base. That is why I think it would be valuable to know who starts and pushes for these recent changes that even includes removing from libraries and school curriculum certain books like ...Mockingbird.

It most certainly is about "control" as far as I can tell, and keeping the future generations from the knowledge of history from the past by no longer teaching it in schools, gives the powers that be, the control of teaching, or possibly indoctrinating, the young minds to further their agenda.  Hmm... where else has this happened. 

Jonathan, It is very possible it may trigger higher interest in the book to be read, but then do young Jr. High, High School or even college students even bother to read much at all today, unless assigned it for class?  I have seen where commentators will go to prestigious colleges and ask at random, "What is the name of the Vice President of the United States?"  Shockingly, not one student could answer.

We may be a dying breed of inquisitive, inquiring and investigative minds, who read not only for enjoyment, but for knowledge.
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« Reply #20424 on: October 25, 2019, 05:30:31 PM »
Oh my - such a nice article on the history of Scotland's library - sure is something to take pride in...
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« Reply #20425 on: October 31, 2019, 11:41:28 AM »
Dear me, where have all the members gone?  Stopped in to wish ya'll a Happy Halloween!

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20426 on: November 01, 2019, 11:06:09 AM »
PatH, I haven't been able to get into Seniors and Friends since yesterday. I guess it is down. No problems with other sites. Oh, Well!

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20427 on: November 01, 2019, 03:47:05 PM »
Just got them.  Whatever it was must have cleared up.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20428 on: November 01, 2019, 06:24:15 PM »
I couldnt get them last nite or today.  I'll try again in a few.
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20429 on: November 06, 2019, 11:54:48 AM »
Well, I finally made myself sit and finish reading, To Kill A Mockingbird.  While everyone is aware of the theme being "racism" I have to say how I was in awe of the many themes running through the book, just to name a few.....  Childhood fears, judgments, sexism, education, racism, accepting people for which class they are in financially, abuse, law and unlawfulness, prejudice, coming of age, and so many more. 

I admired how Atticus Finch once appointed to be Tom Robinson's defense lawyer, handled the town's mockery, and yet defended him with the same vigor he would have defended any client.  I loved how Atticus was determined to raise Scout and Jem with respect, honesty and decency, yet allowed them to be kids.  Harper Lee created Scout, a five year old little girl, with the intelligence and wisdom beyond her years, due to the time Atticus took with her reading in his lap.  In only first grade, Scout was able to see hypocrisy, and call it out. 

This chapter stood out to me, and has really had an impact on me, since I closed the book:

Ch 26
Even so, not many of the children knew what a Current Event was.  Cecil Jacobs knew what one was, though.  When his turn came he went to the front of the room and began, "Old Hitler___."  "Adolf Hitler, Cecil,"  said Miss Gates.  "One does never begins with Old anybody."  "Yes Ma'am," he said.  "Old Adolf Hitler has been prosecutin' the__"  "Persecuting Cecil. . ."  "Nome, Miss Gates, it says here__well anyway, Old Adolf Hitler has been after the Jews and he's puttin' 'em in prisons and he's taking away all their property and he won't let any of 'em out of the country and he's washin' all the feeble-minded  and__"  "Washing the feeble-minded?"  "Yes ma'am, Miss Gates, I reckon they don't have sense enough to was themselves, I don't reckon an idiot could keep hisself clean.  Well anyway, Hitler's started a program to round up all the half-Jews too and he want to register 'em in case they might wanta cause him any trouble and I think this is a bad thing and that's my current event."  "Very good, Cecil,'  said Miss Gates.  Puffing, Cecil returned to his seat.

A hand went up in the back of the room.  "how can he do that?"  "Who do what?"  asked Miss Gates patiently.  "I mean how can Hitler just put a lot of folks in a pen like that, looks like the govamint's stop him,"  said the owner of the hand.  "Hitler is the government,"  said Miss Gates, and seizing an opportunity to make education dynamic, she went to the blackboard.  She printed DEMOCRACY in large letters.  "Democracy,"  she said.  "Does anybody have a definition?"  "Us," somebody said.  I raised my hand, remembering an old campaign slogan Atticus had once told me about.  "What do you think it means, Jean Louise?"  "Equal right for all, special privileges for none,'" I quoted.  "Very good, Jean Louise, very good,"  Miss Gates smiled.  In front of DEMOCRACY, she printed WE ARE A. "Now class, say it all together, "We are a democracy.'"  We said it.  Then Miss Gates said, "That's the difference between America and Germany.  We are a democracy and Germany is a dictatorship.  Dictator-ship," she said.  "Over here we don't believe in persecuting anybody.  Prejudice," she enunciated carefully.  "There are no better people in the world than the Jews, and why Hitler doesn't think so is a mystery to me." 
 

Scout once asked Atticus why he was so impatient with Hitler and Atticus said, "Because he's a maniac." 
"But it's okay to hate Hitler?"  "It is not," he said.  "It's not okay to hate anybody."  "Atticus," I said, "there's somethin' I don't understand.  Miss Gates said it was awful, Hitler doin' like he does, she got real red in the face about it__"  "I should think she would."  "But__"  "Yes?"  "Nothing, sir."  I went away, not sure I could explain to Atticus what was on my mind, not sure I could clarify what was only a feeling.  Perhaps Jem could provide the answer.  Jem understood school things better than Atticus. 

"I wanta ask you somethin."  "Shoot."  He put down his book and stretched out his legs.  "Miss Gates is a nice lady, ain't she?"  "Why sure,"  said Jem.  "I liked her when I was in her room."  "She hates Hitler a lot. . ."  "What's wrong with that?"  "Well, she went on today about how bad it was him treatin the Jews like that.  Jem, it's not right to persecute anybody, is it?  I mean thoughts about anybody, even, is it?"  "Gracious no, Scout.  What's eatin' you?"  "Well, coming out of the courthouse that night Miss Gates was__she was goin' down the steps in front of us, you musta not seen her__she was talking with Miss Stephanie Crawford.  I heard her say it's time somebody taught 'em a lesson, they were gettin' way above themselves, an' the next thing they think they can do is marry us.  Jem, how can you hate Hitler so bad an' then turn around and be ugly about folks right at home__?" 


This chapter left me with not only a sadness, but I can't help but think of the old adult adage..... "Do as I say, not as I do."

I hope this book is never allowed to be banned from English Literature classes. I can see why it was voted "America’s best-loved novel” by The Great American Read of 2018. 

 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20430 on: November 06, 2019, 01:08:46 PM »
There are a lot of lessons in that one thoughtful passage.  Thanks for posting Bellamarie.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20431 on: November 06, 2019, 03:08:28 PM »
thanks - thinking Kill a Mockingbird may be my Christmas gift to all my family - I've ordered a used copy for myself - its been years since I read it and it really needs to be in my library - lots to think about reading ...Mockingbird - interesting title when you know mockingbirds chatter and imitate the sounds from other birds
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20432 on: November 06, 2019, 10:57:38 PM »
Barb, I think giving this book as a Christmas gift to all your family is a splendid idea.  My fourteen year old granddaughter Hayden, is reading it in Jr. High, which is what made me decide to read it, so I could discuss it with her. 

Found this and wanted to share it: https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/mocking/symbols/

Symbols are objects, characters, figures, and colors used to represent abstract ideas or concepts.

Mockingbirds

The title of To Kill a Mockingbird has very little literal connection to the plot, but it carries a great deal of symbolic weight in the book. In this story of innocents destroyed by evil, the “mockingbird” comes to represent the idea of innocence. Thus, to kill a mockingbird is to destroy innocence. Throughout the book, a number of characters (Jem, Tom Robinson, Dill, Boo Radley, Mr. Raymond) can be identified as mockingbirds—innocents who have been injured or destroyed through contact with evil. This connection between the novel’s title and its main theme is made explicit several times in the novel: after Tom Robinson is shot, Mr. Underwood compares his death to “the senseless slaughter of songbirds,” and at the end of the book Scout thinks that hurting Boo Radley would be like “shootin’ a mockingbird.” Most important, Miss Maudie explains to Scout: “Mockingbirds don’t do one thing but . . . sing their hearts out for us. That’s why it’s a sin to kill a mockingbird.” That Jem and Scout’s last name is Finch (another type of small bird) indicates that they are particularly vulnerable in the racist world of Maycomb, which often treats the fragile innocence of childhood harshly.

Boo Radley
As the novel progresses, the children’s changing attitude toward Boo Radley is an important measurement of their development from innocence toward a grown-up moral perspective. At the beginning of the book, Boo is merely a source of childhood superstition. As he leaves Jem and Scout presents and mends Jem’s pants, he gradually becomes increasingly and intriguingly real to them. At the end of the novel, he becomes fully human to Scout, illustrating that she has developed into a sympathetic and understanding individual. Boo, an intelligent child ruined by a cruel father, is one of the book’s most important mockingbirds; he is also an important symbol of the good that exists within people. Despite the pain that Boo has suffered, the purity of his heart rules his interaction with the children. In saving Jem and Scout from Bob Ewell, Boo proves the ultimate symbol of good.
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« Reply #20433 on: November 18, 2019, 07:34:55 PM »
Did any of you see The Crown last night? And if so what did you think of the first one and the new characters?

I'm only watching one a week, it's so strange to see them all there and waiting, I guess some of us are  used to it being meted out week by week instead of having it ALL at one time.

hahaha

I like the "new" Queen, but am not sure about Philip, if you saw it what do you think? Antony Armstrong Jones looks well cast...more like the real one who was quite handsome if a rotter. I like Helena Bonham  Carter, too, though the woman who played the original Margaret was hard to beat, but it looks like she's about to go through  hard times with him, and in real life she sure did. 

How about the Queen Mother, what did you think?

But I can't WAIT to see Mountbatten, it's Charles Dance  (Bleak House, Game of Thrones) and I love him in everything he does, he'd be a perfect Mountbatten. Can't wait to see what they make of him as he's just started in Series 3, with the new cast.

In short, what do you think, if you saw it?



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« Reply #20434 on: November 23, 2019, 11:51:22 AM »
Talking to myself? hahaha I'm used to it. :)

I just came back in to say I'm deep into The Crown now, episode 3 was  a masterpiece but Mountbatten appears in Episode 4 and he's a  tour de force. The thing is really the best TV I've seen in years. I knew nothing about Harold Wilson, so it's  a history lesson too. It's also a good endorsement of constancy despite the odds..

Frybabe, did you finish Goldsworthy's  Why Rome Fell? What impression did you get of the main reasons?

 What's everybody reading? I've started The Dutch House which I have heard a lot of good things about, and so far am enjoying it. Anybody reading it?

I just finished Long Live Latin which is a wonderful new book,  one of whose quotes I put in my signature here, beautiful book.  Nicola  Gardini is a man, an  Oxford don who writes like a poet about what he loves: Latin. If you've ever wondered why  anybody would ever want to study it, this short book explains it perfectly.

Thanksgiving is upon us! And it's going to be crisp and beautiful, the trees here are just gorgeous. Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving no matter how or where  you spend it. We're thankful for all of you, and a special thanks to Jane for her wonderful seasonal headings here on the website!






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Re: The Library
« Reply #20435 on: November 23, 2019, 12:44:37 PM »
Just began watching the new episodes of "The Crown".  It is going to be hard to top those beautiful Seasons 1 and 2.  I thought those were the most elegant things I have ever seen on TV.  Helena Bonham Carter, so far, is doing great as Margaret.  I'm not too keen on this season's Phillip.  Notice how beautifully the Queen has got the voice
down?  Oh,I love this series.  (I like the "history" lessons too)
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Re: The Library
« Reply #20436 on: November 23, 2019, 02:01:55 PM »
Ginny, Goldsworthy didn't really add anything new. He pretty much agrees with much of what Gibbon said, moral decay and lack of civil participation. The barbarian migrations and raids were merely providing the coup de grace. It wasn't any one thing, but a combo. I forget whether it was Goldsworthy or a program I watched later that reminded me that once Caracalla opened citizenship to all free men in the Empire it took away one of the incentives to join the army. Might have been both. I think it was in the program that it said within 100 years only 1% of the military were Italians.

I don't know much about the Eastern Empire after the split, but the Western part degenerated into a lot of infighting among multiple claimants to the throne who took with them legions and auxiliaries no longer loyal to Rome. Then there was the loss of territory in Africa to the Vandals and with it its economic boon leaving Rome with less ability to pay their legions. Changing trade routes and control of them, probably.

What I didn't realize was that by the time Rome was sacked in 410AD, it was no longer the seat of power in the Western Empire, Revenna was. Well, that is something that didn't stick when I read Durant all those years ago. Interesting that when everyone thinks of the Fall of Rome they are only thinking of the Western part. Even I don't think about the Eastern half even being part of the Roman Empire after it split in two.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20437 on: November 23, 2019, 05:39:07 PM »
I am reading Invisible Planets, a book of Chinese SciFi short stories which is edited and translated by Ken Liu and The Lions of Al-Rassan, another wonderful book by Guy Gavriel Kay. Listening to Battlefield Earth by L. Ron Hubbard, which is turning out to be much more exciting than I expected. The thing has multiple narrators and is almost 47 hours long. Started listening to but put on hold temporarily, Stealth Wars: How china Took Over While America's Elite Slept by Brigadier General (Ret) Robert Spalding.  Also started Makers of Ancient Strategy from the Persian Wars to the Fall of Rome by Victor Davis Hanson, but put on hold to read the quicker SciFi book first.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20438 on: November 24, 2019, 05:25:31 PM »
Sorry for my absence, I haven't picked up a book since I finished Mockingbird in late October.  We have been very busy elves decorating the house for Christmas the past two weeks, before my daughter and son in law got her on November 17th, and just left this morning to return to Florida.  She is my only daughter, and we are so very close, I always cry when she leaves.  My two sons live close by with all my grandkids, so I am thankful to have them with us throughout the year, and holidays.

Ginny, thank you for the heads up on The Crown.  New characters?  I so loved the ones who played the royals in season 1 & 2.  I will have to check it out. 
Tomereader, I too love the history as well. 

I also can't wait to watch Hallmark Christmas Cookie Matchup, beginning Wed. at 9 p.m.

In case I don't make it back in before Thanksgiving, with getting the shopping done, watching the two youngest grandkids Mon - Tues, and celebrating my hubby's birthday Wed., I will take this opportunity to wish you all a very Happy Thanksgiving!

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Re: The Library
« Reply #20439 on: November 25, 2019, 08:39:49 AM »
It's good to see you, Bellamarie, even if briefly.  I'm glad all's well.

Everyone, have a blessed Thanksgiving.