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PatH

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« Reply #21280 on: July 09, 2020, 08:56:42 AM »

The Library


Our library  is open 24/7; the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.

PatH

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« Reply #21281 on: July 09, 2020, 08:57:45 AM »
This is a pretty trivial point, but I wondered about the honorific Mma in the books.  Eventually I met some people who actually used the word referring to me, and when pronounced properly, you can actually hear both "m"s separately in the one syllable word.

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« Reply #21282 on: July 09, 2020, 01:18:34 PM »
I've always wondered how that was pronounced too, Pat!

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« Reply #21283 on: July 09, 2020, 01:58:23 PM »
JoanK., If you haven't read McCall Smith before he has a unique style, slow, rambling, philosophical, very little plot. You either like him or not.

Yes, I  noticed this in the first pages, I am willing to give him an honest try, this will be my first time reading anything of his.  The names alone in this book, are a real challenge.
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« Reply #21284 on: July 09, 2020, 02:18:09 PM »
Bellamarie - which one are you reading?

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« Reply #21285 on: July 10, 2020, 10:52:47 AM »
Rosemary, I just finished, To the Land of Long Lost Friends.
I agree with how JoanK., described his writing, slow, rambling, philosophical, very little plot.

I thought the first time I read a Jane Austen book she was wordy. I remember thinking, oh my heavens it does not take that many words to get to the point.  Well, Alexander McCall Smith rambles on and on and on, to the point I just started speed reading, and skipping pages, because I could see he took three pages to have Mma Ramotswe to just park her car, and get out of it.  I did not like how in the end the Reverend seems to get away with misusing young women, by simply using the old adage, men will be men.  The constant, "men are like that" theory, throughout the book got a bit monotonous. I did like the humor he sprinkles in.

Rosemary I can see why you said, I can't read too many of his books without a break.

After finishing the book, I looked at a few reviews and found this:

We are big fans of the No. 1 Ladies’ Detective Agency stories. To the Land of Long Lost Friends is the twentieth in the series. If you are reading this novel for the mystery, this book is weaker than most of the others. This is not the book to read to be introduced to the series.
http://langblog.englishplus.com/?p=4173

I like book series, but I suppose unless you read them in the chronological order written, it can make a huge difference in determining to read any of the others. But then the first book of the Mitford series made me not want to move forward with any of the others, so here I sit with the entire series on my shelf.  I hate leaving books unread, but I just could not force myself to finish the first Mitford book.  Maybe one day I will pick it back up and read about Father Tim and Cynthia's wedding. 

I woke up not feeling so good, As Winnie the Pooh says, "I have a rumbly in my tummy."  So it looks like hanging out on the couch for me.  The temps have been so hot these past couple of weeks, you can barely stand to be outside for more than a few minutes.  I bought some beautiful orange and cream colored Asiatic Lilies and some Ilse Lilies, that were on sale at Lowe's, along with some Coreopsis Zagreb. The pots were large, and marked down drastically. I bought three large pots of the Lilies and two of the Coreopsis and only paid a total of $26.00.  One large pot was originally $15.00.  I hope I will be feeling a bit better to get them in the ground later today, when the sun goes down. 
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« Reply #21286 on: July 11, 2020, 07:30:28 AM »
What a lovely find, Cassell's Book of Birds in three volumes by Alfred Edmund Brehm and translated by Thomas Rymer Jones. The volumes are also available on Librivox and Internet Archive. Apparently there are four volumes in total. Gutenberg does not have V.4 listed yet. I see someone has recently printed a leather bound edition of the volumes, too. I saw those listed on Abebooks.com  Most of these photos are of plates from his volumes. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/cassells-book-of-birds.html It looks like reproductions of his plates are still in production and for sale, too. If I were still younger and still working I would buy the hard cover volumes in a flash. As it is, I am trying not to buy very many hardcopy books anymore due to the expense and the lack of space for them. I will have to make do with the Ebook volumes. Sigh!


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« Reply #21287 on: July 11, 2020, 12:00:02 PM »
Well I'm back, from a somewhat traumatic fall, myself, but the teeth so far are still in, so the terrace will have to have the brick cleaned another way. :) So easy to trip while carrying groceries.

The Baltimore Oriole is beautiful,  Bellamarie, I bet I have not seen one in 20 years, I guess they don't migrate past here.


I like McCall Smith's gentle writing, but admit to not having read him in years. More gentle writing has emerged with a new take on Mapp and Lucia called Mapp at Fifty by Hugh Ashton (the man who writes the excellent Sherlock Holmes new series). I really defy anybody to read it (2.99 on  kindle) and tell it from E.F. Benson. (Perhaps the short chapters?)


Reading more than ever, finished the Agatha Christie book of short stories about Miss Marple, can't recommend it more heartily. How clever she was. I only "solved" one of the many mysteries in the entire book, and how she managed to do a complete and puzzling  mystery in a few pages was phenomenal. I've got another book of her short stories waiting.

Still reading the  Borman Cromwell, but uh oh, major discrepancy between her account (and she puts in the original documents to back it up) and the Jonathan Pryce/ Wolsey/ Cromwell of Wolf Hall movie and book fame....hmmmm, it's more interesting than a modern thriller. I am possibly beginning to see why Mark Rylance might not want to play him in the sequel to Wolf Hall. That would be the part of the century, Mantel is  already working on the stage script.

Now reading Bill Bryson again, Notes From A Small Island,  to follow with his book on Australia which I've never read and his  Dribbling again.



I read this, this  morning, about the Stages of Life. I think it's accurate in my case, not sure what that says about me.  Unlike a lot of these things like the Stages of Death which they now say are not,  this seems to be right on the money? Or does it? I wish Charlie were alive to put it in his React to Articles discussion he used to have.  I think I am in Stage 4, the Legacy Stage, looking back over your life and what impact you have or have not made.... What do YOU think of this?

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-four-stages-of-life?utm_source=pocket-newtab



Frybabe, I did not know Cassell's had  books on birds, too? I wonder how many other "Cassell's" there are?



Did you see Tom Hanks on TV? He said  of those refusing to wear masks, that " if you can't do even that then I don't have any respect for you."   I could have used him this morning at the grocery store.

Hope everybody you know, and you,  are safe in this pandemic!


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« Reply #21288 on: July 11, 2020, 12:22:53 PM »
Ginny, sorry to fuss at you, but I remember another fall, with broken arm, some years ago.  Maybe you need to strategize your grocery schlepping techniques differently.  That said, thank goodness you didn't suffer more serious damage.  Do take care.

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« Reply #21289 on: July 11, 2020, 03:48:50 PM »
Frybabe,  That link is wonderful, and yes, that book in hardcover would be a treasure to own.

Ginny, I am so sorry to hear about your fall.  I'm glad you are okay.  Reading your article, I think I am in stage 3, transitioning into stage 4. 

As for the mask wearing, I am exhausted with he/she thinks, Dr. So and So said, the CDC and WHO recommends, and those who are arguing for their Constitutional Rights.  Doctors, nurses and other medical health care providers have worn masks for centuries, to protect themselves or others from contracting germs/diseases.  There was never a controversy in the hospital.  Now, with the pandemic lasting longer than expected, the hot weather is here, and reopening has taken place, it's just become such an issue.  Michigan Governor has just made it mandatory, and other states are as well.  My dil said their Wood County, just went into a mandatory phase, to wear the mask in public places.  I am getting so many requests from family and friends along with Pro Medica, asking me to make masks for them.  I think in the next few weeks, it will become even more of a demand.  I just finished an order for my cousin who owns a restaurant in Michigan, who asked me to make fifteen masks for her employees.  I have requests for at least twenty more to be made this week. 

I love feeling like I am being helpful, and productive throughout this pandemic, but I think I also feel a bit frustrated, with hearing my friend a nurse practitioner who works in a hospital with direct covid patients, they are given disposable masks and expected to wear them over and over.  Her husband is a pharmacist who also works in a hospital and the same thing.  I made them each two masks, so they will have an extra one.  Why aren't there more washable masks available, and being passed out to all citizens in this country?  Not that some would bother to take care of their mask, but at least make them available.  The person in charge of the Quilters Guild I am making masks, to provide Pro Medica with, say the patients take the ones we make home with them, so the demand is ever growing. Some people I have spoken with say their hospitals have more than enough masks.  Why don't ALL hospitals have more than enough?  I know I have heard it is the responsibility of the Governors and Mayors to be providing medical supplies, equipment, etc.  So why aren't they?  They have the funds, so that is not an excuse, unless they have misused the funds.  And what about when the schools reopen?  Students will be required to wear masks, I am sure they will not be provided.  I'm just really confused why such an important item, to help protect others, is not being more available or provided. 

I was so hoping we would not be discussing this virus in July, but now it looks like it's here to stay much longer than expected.  At least the death toll has dropped tremendously, and the age bracket it is now hitting are those who contract it, and it is more like a regular flu virus, rather so tragic, as it was with the elderly. My daughter, son in law, daughter in law, and twenty four year old granddaughter, all came in contact with someone who tested positive, in the last couple of weeks.  Luckily, none of them tested positive.  My dil's aunt and uncle visited their daughter's family in Florida just a couple weeks ago, and came back and tested positive. Who on earth would risk traveling at this point?  This too shall pass.....  end of rant.
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« Reply #21290 on: July 11, 2020, 05:20:44 PM »
FRYBABE wonderful pictures. Are you a birder? I used to be an avid one, but am
now restricted to watching bird cams online.


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« Reply #21291 on: July 11, 2020, 06:36:05 PM »
Appears you will be uncomfortable for as few days Ginny - hope you heal quickly -

Yep Bellamarie everyone has a different opinion - masks or not - what confuses me is that viruses are not supposed to last for more than maximum 60 seconds in the sun and high heat and so I no longer know who to believe. My problem is I lip read more than I realized

Joan are you not near any trees or a window? When my friend was in her 90s she had a feeder suctioned to her window - in fact it was the one feeder the squirrels could not reach and hanging on the outside of the window sill she had a long thin hanging planter that at times the birds would sit in - probably spying and making a feast of the bugs.

Triple digit temps all week - actually I Find it easier then in the 90s with the humidity where as over 100 the sun burns off any moisture in the air. 
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« Reply #21292 on: July 12, 2020, 06:45:34 AM »
Ginny, I am glad to hear that your teeth survived. I hope you weren't bruised up too badly.

JoanK, I generally confine myself to the birds that visit my yard, the webcams, and a few bird books. Lucy is especially fond of the webcams. I have never actually taken any birding trips, but do get some flora and fauna spotting on trips, especially along the river when I head over to feed George's cats, barring traffic of course. Can't be gawking while driving, but there are a few traffic lights and if no one is behind I can slow down a little.

Yesterday I spent some time reading Paul Theroux's The Great Railway Bazaar: By Train Through Asia. What a fun and occasionally disturbing read. Published in 1975, it was his first travel book. The description of travel on the Orient Express showed its poor conditions before it was again revitalized. I wonder about traveling it now. Then there was the poor treatment of people from train officials and border inspectors ripping off travelers, and don't forget the prejudices of the time. I suspect Jug was a derogatory term for Yugoslavians; I never heard of the expression before. Currently, I am with Paul on the train from Istanbul to Lake Van. Sounds absolutely ghastly with the overcrowding and excessive heat. 

As for Bernstein's A Splendid Exchange, I am into the chapters on the rise of the corporate shipping and trading enterprises. The British have just entered the scene to compete with the Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch.

 


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« Reply #21293 on: July 12, 2020, 06:12:36 PM »
 Thank you, Pat, Barbara,  Bellamarie, and Frybabe. I appreciate that. Pat, :), you have an incredible memory:  that other fall was YEARS ago. It was not groceries, it was chasing our Labrador Retriever down the steps in the dark, not an arm, but the tibia of my right leg, but you are right, one has to learn from each experience. I have counted those steps to this day and the groceries will come in another way in future. I look forward to eating like a normal person before long.

Bellamarie,  I don't think that's a rant. I think everybody is frustrated and worried. it must depend upon location about the supply of masks, possibly? I know my son had procured some hand made ones for the college but they wanted some which were  more ...something, I don't know, and so they are purchasing  them. I am surprised that Pro Medica would ask you for masks, surely they can buy them elsewhere?


Frybabe, I loved this:  Currently, I am with Paul on the train from Istanbul to Lake Van. If you hadn't said that I wouldn't have admitted  that every morning I have "Breakfast with Michael," and today we were in Hereford, Ledbury, and Shrewsbury (sp)...and in these three towns we rode in a wagon out to a pear orchard drawn by Clydesdale Horses, saw the original Hereford cattle (mammoth, calm and very fat), saw the Mappa Mundi in Hereford Cathedral ( another sort of Peutiinger Table, fascinating), and the worlds first skyscraper. In  the episodes before this one we learned two terms EF Benson uses in the Lucia books, dressed crab (anybody here know what that is? It's not deviled crab) and "well hung" venison (or any meat). I had no idea what either of those was, but I do now.

I've read The Great Railway Bazaar, and it's a good book, isn't it?


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« Reply #21294 on: July 12, 2020, 09:34:48 PM »
Still remember my husband and I on the Orient Express in Yugoslavia in 1963 during Tito's regeme. Broke college students, we had the cheapest tickets, none of the toilets worked and we shared seats with the women bringing chickens to market. At the border, they stopped the traih, and made everyone get off    -- except us! It was February, and everyone has  to stand in deep snow, without their coats, for an hour while they searched the train. They were glaring hate messages at us through the window. When they got back on, there was dead silence. I noticed the woman opposite me, who had stood in the snow in open toed shoes, was ash white trembing,  but falling asleep. I got my heavy coat and tried to wrap it around her. She pushed it away until I said "hypotherrmia." Someone understood and explained in Hungarian. He donated his coat as well,  and the woman gradually recovered. After that suddenly everyone was my friend. They all talked to me and told me their life stories. Somehow we could understand each other with no commen language. When people left, they would say goodbye and shake my hand. It doesn't take much to make friends.

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« Reply #21295 on: July 12, 2020, 11:23:10 PM »
JoanK.,  What a touching story.  You are so right, one act of kindness, or even a smile can go a long way, especially when there is a language barrier.  I hope I am not sounding ignorant in asking, but why did everyone have to get off the train, except you and your hubby? 

Ginny, there are hundreds of us committed to making masks for Pro Medica.  The masks we make are washable, and used for non-surgical employees, patients, and visitors. We also have the pattern and instructions to make the N95 mask covers.  I personally have not made them.  Our Quilters Guild, have been making them since the middle of March, and we just received an email the other day saying they are in more need for them, so if we can continue throughout the summer it would be greatly appreciated.  We are all volunteers, and they are free.  The Quilters Guild provides us with all the supplies to make them.  Yes, surely you would think they could purchase them else where, but as I expressed my frustration in my prior post, I don't understand why they are not being purchased.  All I know is, ours are washable and reusable, where as what they do purchase are disposable, and they make the nurses and employees, wear them over and over again. I thought I was hearing things at first, when a friend who is a nurse asked if I could make her one, because she is forced to reuse her disposable one for three days.  Then others told me the same thing.  The same with elderly care centers and Hospice.  We are trying to supply them as well with our masks.  The demand is huge, hence my frustration.

I was talking to my neighbor friend yesterday, who teaches sixth grade special education in our public school, and I asked her if the schools will be providing the students masks?  She said at this time she has not been informed, she expected all students would be responsible for their own masks.  As of now, our state guidelines when the schools reopen, is: Most teachers will be required to wear masks or face shields at schools that choose to resume in-person classes this fall, and face coverings are strongly recommended for students in third grade and above, he said.   
 
So, again, I wonder why aren't face coverings being provided by the state, if they are required to be worn? 

Frybabe,  I had to giggle after reading Ginny's response to you currently being on the train with Paul to Istanbul, and she has breakfast with Michael every morning.  I didn't get what the two of you were meaning, and then the light went off!

I am currently reading The Little Paris Bookshop by Nina George.  Monsieur Perdu, owns a book barge, he calls the Literary Apothecary.  He bought a boat, converted it with his own hands and filled it with books, the only remedy for countless, undefined afflictions of the soul.  "I sell books like medicine.  There are books that are suitable for a million people, others only for a hundred.  There are even medicines__sorry, books __that were written for one person only."

That's an interesting theory Monsieur Perdu has about books.  What do you all think of it.  A book written for only one person?  I can't even imagine that.  He takes it upon himself to choose books for his customer, and actually refused to sell a woman a book, because he felt it was not the book she should be reading. He picked out The Elegance of the Hedgehog for her, telling her that was the book she needed at this time.  She was so furious she left the boat with no book at all. 
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« Reply #21296 on: July 13, 2020, 06:51:12 AM »
Bellamarie, I absolutely adored Little Paris Bookshop.

Ginny, while I am enjoying The Great Railway Bazaar I must say that is exhausts me what with all the heat, crowding, bad manners, constant solicitations from drug and sellers of sex. What bothers me most about the book is, so far, it doesn't have much truly nice to say about anything, nor at any length. I really was disgusted by the behavior of the US oil-riggers in Tehran. BTW, Lake Van is a lovely place to visit. Not that I have ever been there, but have it seen featured on several Silk Road videos and read brief passages in books about the area. It features it's own lake monster legend, and several years ago, a 3,000 year old fortress was discovered under the lake.

JoanK, your experience is typical of what Theroux described in his book. Although, in some cases, he was treated the same or worse than local travelers.  Like when he had paid for a first-class compartment on a train, which he got on the first leg, but was put in third class when he had to switch trains. When he raised a stink, he was eventually put into a second class compartment. Another traveler earlier in the book had bought a ticket to Tehran, but was refused entry into Iran, when at the border he discovered that the previous ticket taker had ripped out that ticket portion along with the one he was supposed to take. He had to pay for another ticket.

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« Reply #21297 on: July 13, 2020, 10:45:57 AM »
JoanK, what a beautiful story! I hope you're writing these down for your grandchildren. That, to me, is what travel is, and one of the reasons I keep traveling: priceless.

This is the first year in 32 plus years running I have not been on a train in Europe.  I miss it severely,  love the stories, and this is helping to fill the gap. I haven't been on the old Orient Express, an experience like no other,  and they now have a "new" refurbished Orient Express, https://www.belmond.com/trains/europe/venice-simplon-orient-express/  Timeless luxury it promises!!!!  I'm afraid to look at the price, but what romance!! I have a feeling that the new Orient Express is not quite the same as the original.

That's the only one I lack, however, and some of the other best ones are no longer running:  the overnight from Paris down the western coast of Italy to Rome: gone. Security issues.  You have to go to Zurich first and  you can still have a sleeper compartment, but it's not the same. Not the congenial gathering of travelers in the lounge at the end of the sleeping compartments, not the spectacular views of the coast as you wake up:  all gone.  ** I double checked just now and there's a new one, but it's still not going the old route. There must be something wrong with those cliff hugging former tracks:

  "The Paris-Florence-Rome Thello train was discontinued in 2013.  You need to take the Paris-Milan-Venice Thello sleeper, and change trains at Milan Centrale for an onward high-speed Frecciarossa train to Bologna, Florence, Rome or Naples as shown."

"A note about connections:  I show robust Frecciarossa connections here, which can absorb a typical delay.  If a booking system offers you a tighter connection feel free to accept it, as if the Thello is late Trenitalia will rebook you on a later Frecciarossa.  Do not use competing Italo trains in connection with Thello, as Thello is a Trenitalia subsidiary and Italo won't help you if the Thello is late."


"In Paris, the Thello train to Venice usually leaves from platforms K, L, M or N at the Gare de Lyon.

Alternative daytime trains:  A higher-quality alternative to Thello is to book one of the three daily Paris-Turin-Milan TGVs, then an onward train from Milan or Turin to Florence, Rome or Venice, see here for details "
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Obviously a lot more hassle and potential trouble. And let's face it, you can fly so cheaply between Paris and Rome, and be there in a very short time. But  then you miss the experience of the train trip.

Going  inland it's fascinating to Americans to see, even as recently as a few years ago,  the border patrol/ customs and how they treat their citizens on some of these long journeys, as well. I've got many stories about that, too, but they don't always end up nicely or kindly.  It's an eye opener sometimes.

 I love it.



Bellamarie,  that's a sad state indeed. If the authorities insist on opening the schools, they should provide masks for the children,  I agree. A sorry state of affairs, not to the welfare of the public being served, either.  I have a feeling there has been plenty of incentive money sent elsewhere, as well. Shows you where the priorities are. I think you're entitled to your objections.



Frybabe, today at breakfast I  enjoyed seeing the first ever iron bridge, watching Michael Portillo make tiles by hand as they do for the floors of Parliament, saw, get this, as we entered Wales, a real working aqueduct alongside a railroad viaduct (I did not know there was an aqueduct (note the blue boat on the aqueduct in one of the photos: that's not a train, that's a blue boat floating on the water!!  Bucket List! Bucket List!!) Can't believe a real live  "aqueduct" in the elevated  appearance we know them running along side a railroad viaduct!!! in the UK!!!!) Terrible photos snapped this morning from the TV but you can, perhaps,  make them out:   )AND if all that wasn't enough  we are  visiting Chirk Castle in Wales whose owners tried to stop the railway through their property. Wonderful stuff.


Bellamarie: That's an interesting theory Monsieur Perdu has about books.  What do you all think of it.  A book written for only one person?  I can't even imagine that.  He takes it upon himself to choose books for his customer, and actually refused to sell a woman a book, because he felt it was not the book she should be reading. He picked out The Elegance of the Hedgehog for her, telling her that was the book she needed at this time.  She was so furious she left the boat with no book at all. 

Reading is such a personal thing,  I think surely that's one thing a person should be able to exercise choice in, because sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't? How can you look at a person and tell what book they need to read?

A book written only for one person? Must be the author, then? Wrote it for himself?  The Liar's Club comes to mind, worst book I ever read in my life, seconded only barely by  the Anne Patty book My Love Affair With a Dead Language. Perhaps a tie between the two for Worst Book.

 Michael Crichton made an interesting comment on writing, but I need to put it in the Movies section because that's the context in which he said it.

Interesting discussion this morning.


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« Reply #21298 on: July 13, 2020, 10:56:14 AM »
Frybabe, Ginny, while I am enjoying The Great Railway Bazaar I must say that is exhausts me what with all the heat, crowding, bad manners, constant solicitations from drug and sellers of sex. What bothers me most about the book is, so far, it doesn't have much truly nice to say about anything, nor at any length.

Since you bring it up, he  has  been criticized for his judgments on the situations he sees,  (and all travelers make conclusions based on their own POV and backgrounds) and for fictionalizing certain people and events and for  his ...type casting some ethnic groups. That book was written some time ago, I imagine travel writers today have to walk a fine line, between a  Rick Steves  type of selling us on various spots...idealistically.... and Bill Bryson,  who writes honestly about his own reactions (most of the time hilarious) to what he's seeing. They have different purposes. Rick Steves is in the travel business and runs tours, there's no point in his talking about bedbugs in the sleeper compartments, or the filth in Naples, they are hard to sell:  you won't be seeing either with him.

I did enthusiastically try Theroux's second book, whatever it was, and could not get through it.

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« Reply #21299 on: July 13, 2020, 11:52:57 AM »
One of my favorites on PBS is Joseph Rosendo with Travel Scope - he goes to interesting places and really talks with the locals, He appears to be learning from them as his audience learns.

Joan from my experience and from the experience of friends your concern and kindness to a stranger seems to be distinctly American - What we call civility seems to have a different interpretation in other cultures although, I must say I have found, as have others, most folks are helpful to the American traveler.

I always got a kick out of how the French in Paris, not so much other areas of France, are quick to speak to you in English in this annoyed way that lets you know they have no patience for anyone who cannot speak French fluently with a proper accent. And my experience with the Germans is they simply shout with no effort to speak in anything but German - you either keep up or the shouting gets louder.

Rick Steve to me has always come across as stiff but then, I gather he is really more about selling an area or as in the past explaining how to get the most of the experience rather than joining in a sense of curiosity and wonderment.
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« Reply #21300 on: July 13, 2020, 04:22:35 PM »
Bellamarie: we never found out why they emptied the train and searched it.They were looking for something being smuggled I think, since no one was allowed to take their coats of other posessions. Presumably we were spared because we were Americans.

The travel programs sound very good. Much better than Rick Steeves.

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« Reply #21301 on: July 13, 2020, 05:34:46 PM »
Joan just need to add - seeing your posts again brings a big smile to my face - I love that you are with us again...
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« Reply #21302 on: July 13, 2020, 05:57:13 PM »
OH!~ Look at this! Be still, my heart!  https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/places-to-visit/pontcysyllte-aqueduct-world-heritage-site  Scroll down and see the little  movie. Tea and sandwiches on the boat trip!!!!!!!!  (Obviously it doesn't take much to get me excited) :)

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« Reply #21303 on: July 13, 2020, 07:57:26 PM »
Impressive - built in 1795
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« Reply #21304 on: July 13, 2020, 08:08:19 PM »
Ginny, yes, I thought the same thing, if a book is only meant for one person, then it can't be a very good book at all. I simply can not imagine someone assuming to know what book I need, and push it on me in a book store.  But since Frybabe has given The Little Paris Bookshop her seal of approval, I am excited to see where it takes me. I think I would love to take a ride on that aqueduct, the video looks so serene. 

JoanK., I thought maybe it was because you were Americans it saved you from being kicked off the train.  At college age in a foreign country, were you and your hubby not a bit frightened?  I agree with Ginny, these are stories you should write down for future generations.  I know I would love to read them.

Barb, your PBS travel program sounds interesting.  I have never really sat and watched a travel show, and the only place I have traveled out of the country is Canada.  I am amazed at hearing you all talk of your travels abroad.  I have not yet rode on a train either.  I may put that on my bucket list.

Have any of you heard the news about trying to make the our country and others, to go cashless?  I'm not certain what the purpose of that would be, but I am not so sure I would like this.  It seems it could get many people in even more debt, and I don't particularly like the fact it's another way of tracking our every move. 

Cash was already being edged out in many countries as urban consumers paid increasingly with apps and cards for even the smallest purchases. But the coronavirus is accelerating a shift toward a cashless future, raising new calculations for merchants and enriching the digital payments industry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/business/cashless-transactions.html

This is an interesting article as to why we should NOT go cashless.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/consumer-privacy/say-no-cashless-future-and-cashless-stores

I told my hubby, I wake up every day now wondering what is next.  I feel like the world we knew before 2020, is slowly slipping away from us, and I think everything is upside down, and inside out.  I know a few of you here have lived through many changing times since the great depression, wars, etc., so I have to ask....
Did you ever feel this way, as you watched the world change back then? 
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« Reply #21305 on: July 13, 2020, 09:40:11 PM »
Did you ever feel this way, as you watched the world change back then? Nope - only knew an attitude of let's put our shoulders to the wheel - lots of patriotism - God was not a dirty word - was pleased with the results of Woman's Rights but sad to see how many downgrade the role of a full time Mom -

We learned our history, not what historical figures should have done or but the marvels they achieved - Like reading a book taking place in a different time - we here on Senior Learn had to factor in and learn values from a different time; no one should be measured by today's standards - who lived and contributed in the past -

We also learned Civics - on November 11 at 11: AM all traffic, shoppers, everything stopped for a minute of silence - parades were frequent and we were proud to display the American flag - everyday it was a privilege for one of the older boys to raise the flag at the school and we all learned how to take it down so it never touched the ground and fold it in a certain way - each school day started with the Pledge of Allegiance - attending Catholic School we also recited a prayer - my children attended school here in Texas and the morning started with the Pledge to the United States but also the Pledge of Allegiance to Texas. Pride in our nation and understanding what the Constitution meant to us and the brilliance of it being a document that promised opportunity and that it could be adjusted as our values changed.

Quarantine was for those and their families who were ill - not the entire town - Yes, there were people without jobs - and many a day my mother made a sandwich always including a piece of fruit for those who came knocking at the door - but interesting most all of those who knocked, ate their lunch on the back steps followed by doing some task as a think you. My father helped many a fellow worker and they always after a bit, usually a he, brought over a stack of wood or came by to help him repair something - again we helped each other and most of us looked down on anyone who took a handout from the fire station or City Hall - We did support the handouts offered by Churches - and most people attended Church on Sunday.

Sure there were problems of mostly jobs available for those of color and Jews could not belong to most clubs or even swim at local beaches or pools and our classrooms were white kids with blacks having their own schools - but this is where we grow as a nation - the KKK was alive and well - however to make change, blame for the behavior was highlighted and having known a few whose father was a member of the KKK they were ashamed and were cautious how they mingled not wanting to call attention to their name that would associate them with their father - Today all this destruction we see is really blaming growth in understanding without celebrating our realization that our values need changing - The police and Sheriffs had respect and yes, their policing methods were in question with corruption and bribery front and center but we expected change and more from them not to rid ourselves of that protection. 

However, that was then - and to compare today's problems to the past is unfair - and so to wax poetic as the saying goes about how we lived and handled difficulties in the past is no different than using today's values to understand a book we read about the nineteenth century but then, those who are creating this chaos seem to be doing just that as they tear down because past leaders did not live with today's values - they also seem to be woefully inept knowing history -

Now the chaos is scary when we have average moms, children, elderly being shot in the streets - and I do not see anything or person being respected - it is like school yard bullies are running everything now however they are using aggression as we have never seen - and the big one to me is not being able to trust the media - when trust leaves us then everyone is out for themselves with no control.

At present I sense a lot of folks putting their heads down till November - my concern is that regardless who wins this will not end - reminds me of what we saw in the news reels and read about those nations behind the Iron Curtain.

You asked Bellamarie - and it came pouring out...  :-*
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« Reply #21306 on: July 14, 2020, 06:46:33 AM »
I never felt the changes we've gone through near so acutely as now. I suppose that has something to do with age and experience.  It was mostly a sense of wonder and anticipation with new tech and medical advances. Oh, and an "about time" sense over progress towards more social and economic equality (with exceptions for overboard, kneejerk reactions). As we creep slowly towards globalization and a cashless society I feel somewhat apprehensive. Ex: Bitcoin and its relatives worry me probably because I haven't taken the time to understand it. Must be all those dystopian elements in the SciFi I read.

Ginny, I loved the "Dog Mooring" sign. We never got up into the northern area of Wales when we were there. I always thought a it pity. I would have loved to see the Wye Valley as well as the northern castles. Also, at the time I was interested in the old churches and medieval castles, and knew nothing of the Roman occupation and influence.

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« Reply #21307 on: July 14, 2020, 07:55:41 AM »
Almost forgot. Theroux finally had something, and at some length, nice to say about his train trip up to Simla in India and the people he meets on the train and while there. I wonder if this had anything to do with the change of scenery and weather from hot, oppressive weather to the cool, green foothills of the Himalayas. Currently we have reached Bombay and working towards Ceylon (Sri Lanka).

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« Reply #21308 on: July 14, 2020, 10:59:59 AM »
Frybabe: wasn't that something? The Dog Mooring sign. You'll go in a pub and eat outside and if you have your dog along,  they will bring some water in  a bowl, unasked,  for him. It's a different world.

Today we were in Cheshire, watching them make  Cheshire Cheese the old way, and in Flint which has two of the biggest secrets of WWII,  a chemical weapons factory making mustard gas in 1942 (in case the Germans invaded on shore) and the beginnings of uranium research and the atom bomb. In Flint. Then a short stop in Chester where we saw a Medieval Mall which was pretty impressive. Indoor shopping, reminds me of the one in Rome in Trajan's Market.

Bellamarie, I had not heard of the "cashless" thing, and I don't think much of it, but I would LOVE to have a "Penny-less" economy. Pennies are the pits, totally unnecessary in my opinion (can anybody think of a use for them?)  and why on earth people think saying $19.98 is better than $20.00 is beyond me. I would vote for getting rid of pennies in a heartbeat.

The alternatives to cash are not appealing, are they? Checks again? Carrying about checks? I never let my credit card out of my sight, American Express lectured me once on never giving it to anybody who did not use electronic transfer (which gas stations here used to do)...so I expanded that and it doesn't leave my sight now. On the occasion of the lecture I was in a store in Gaffney SC and my  Am Ex card was denied, to my great outrage,  only to get home and find out that they had been frantically trying to reach me by phone, because  at the same time a couple were enjoying a first class flight on that same card,  from Atlanta to Las Vegas, an expensive hotel in Vegas, which was then later followed by a first class flight and an expensive hotel in NYC. The Fraud division of Am Ex is quite fierce.  Much interrogation as to if these people knew me in any way, etc., and I finally said I hope you catch them, and she said grimly, oh we will. And they did. They actually invited me to the trial in California for some reason. I would never mess with Am Ex, but I do feel safe with them.

OH change? I recall my grandmother on my mother's side could not ever get used to the Television, those people in there, the miracle of it!!  The turn of the century from 1800 to 1900 must have brought about so MUCH innovation, that's all my travel show is talking about, the Victorians and their innovations, which do seem pretty spectacular. A lot to get used to. I don't know why I never quite made the connection that the  Victorians of 1840 on (Victoran Era: 1837-1901)  were the same time as the American  Civil War, which began in 1861-1865- they were the same time, and that not so long ago. My paternal grandparents were born in the 1800's....think of that. Well for that matter my own parents were born in 1908. There's  a LOT of history and change  in the last 170 short years.


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« Reply #21309 on: July 14, 2020, 12:03:03 PM »
advantages ahum to going cashless

- If you need a little cash say goodbye to the odd job to supply you with funds.
- No more piggy banks for your child to collect pocket money & to learn about the value of earning.
- No more tips because the industry is dependent on tips since paid wages barely cover the bills or put food on the table.
- No more charity collections.
- No more selling bits & pieces from your home that you no longer want/need for a bit of cash in return.
- No more paying a few dollars to the high school kid to run errands or mow your lawn
- No more paying someone without both a license to do business and to receive funds from the credit card
- No more paying someone to cut your trees or paint the back porch
- No more cash sent in envelopes to distant nephews, nieces, grandchildren
- No more garage sales unless the seller pays to register with a credit card company to receive funds.

A cashless society guarantees
- Banks have full control of every single penny you own since every transaction you make is recorded.
- All your movements & actions are traceable.
- Must be completely self sufficient unless you qualify for a credit card or have a bank account
- Access to your money can be blocked at the click of a button.
- You will have no choice but to declare & be taxed on every cent in your possession.
- The government WILL decide what you can & cannot purchase.
- If your transactions are deemed in any way questionable, by those who create the questions, your money will be frozen, ‘for your own good’.

If you like being cashless shop at Pizza Hut or in some areas Handy Andy will only use paper money so no change back if the bill does not round out to a dollar.

All this is fine for the middle class and up but the poor who many have no bank account and work in temporary or day jobs will have to pay out of that money fees to make wealthy banks and credit card companies.
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« Reply #21310 on: July 14, 2020, 12:04:32 PM »
Good afternoon everyone,

Ginny, I had never questioned the term 'dressed crab' till you mentioned it, then I realised how weird it could sound!  I love it.

Do you not hang game in America?

I have just finished Jim Crumley's The Nature of Summer. He writes about the animals, birds and plants he sees, mainly in Scotland - but he also recalls trips he has made to the Arctic, Canada, the Lofoten Islands, and Alaska. He has now decided he will not take any more long haul flights, partly because he finds them so uncomfortable but mainly because of the environmental damage they cause. He finds more than enough to occupy him - and provide material for his books - in this country. As he reaches the end of his 'seasons' series, he writes more and more about his concerns for the effects of pollution, wind farms, and especially global warming on wildlife - particularly seabirds. He quotes a survey of the bird life at St Abb's Head (an internationally famous seabird area) carried out by Scottish Natural Heritage in 2018. It showed that since the year 2000 kittiwakes had declined by 78%, herring gulls also by 78%, fulmars by 72% - and since 1987, puffins by 100%. But his books are not all about statistics - he writes beautifully about kingfishers flying along the river Leny, whooper swans (he is particularly into swans) on Skye, golden eagles, foxes, brown hares. He has played a part in the 'unofficial' reintroduction of beavers to Scotland, and he would dearly love to see the return of wolves - they, he says, would manage our deer population far better than men with guns.

I'm interested to read about all these train rides people have taken. Growing up in the London suburbs, trains were a way of life for me - I went to school on one, my mother went into central London on one every day for work. There are far fewer up here, but the trip from Aberdeen to Inverness can be beautiful (though would be vastly improved if Scotrail would deign to put more than three carriages on the train - it is like a sardine can until it reaches the farthest commuter destination) and I would like to take the famous journey to Mallaig, which is known to be spectacular. On the whole though, I think travel of any form apart from walking or cycling (which I am these days too scared to do) has just become too crowded, unreliable, dirty and expensive. I imagine it is much improved if you can afford first class - I have occasionally travelled first class on the train from Scotland to London, and it certainly is nicer being in a more spacious carriage and having lunch brought to your table. Even then, when you arrive, you are confronted by the tube to get across town - and that was becoming scary enough (breakdowns in hot summers, terrorism) before coronavirus. I'm with Jim Crumley, I am happy enough with all that Scotland has to offer.

I'm so glad you're enjoying Michael Portillo, Ginny. He has made hundreds of those programmes, so you won't run out in a hurry!  His history programmes are also good, and he's recently done a series on empire that was a lot more open-minded than we anticipated from someone who used to be a prominent Conservative politician. I'm sure he's much happier (and richer!) making TV programmes than arguing in the House of Commons. Is it unusual to provide water for dogs in America? I think most pubs with outdoor seating - especially country ones - would always do so - some cafes do too.

I have that Paul Theroux book but have not read it. His son Louis Theroux makes TV documentaries - they are extremely good. He specialises in programmes about fairly famous people - he interviews them in their own homes, and he is so quiet and reserved that they end up revealing far more about themselves than they would otherwise have done. He has also made programmes about 'swingers', eating disorders, prisons - all sorts. He did a very (in)famous interview with the dreadful Jimmy Saville, then a DJ, TV presenter and 'celebrity' who raised a great deal of money for charity. Saville was later (after his death) exposed as a serial sex abuser responsible for some truly terrible things, and Theroux, to his credit, spoke very openly about how mortified he was that Saville had fooled him just as he had fooled so many people.

As to cashless payments, I am all for them. Cheques have been almost completely phased out here. Paying cashless means that you do not have to handle money, which surely must be pretty filthy most of the time?  I wish I could get my own mother to take this on board! When the virus arrived, most of our supermarkets raised the limit on contactless payment from £30 to £45. I find that the banks I use are very hot on monitoring the use of ones card - if they see any activity that looks even vaguely suspicious, they block your card and call you. (This is one reason why I have two cards, in case one is out of action.) The only time this was a nuisance was last Christmas - my husband and I were each shopping separately in town for all of our family presents. My card was declined in a shop - I called him and his had just been declined too. The bank had decided there were too many transactions going through (and I hardly spend a lot of money, I am the official Mrs Scrooge..) - which I did think was a bit of an over-reaction given it was the week before Christmas - but at least they were protecting us.

Masks have been mandatory in shops and on public transport in Scotland for some time. Many people (including me) find it much easier to have the rules clear and simple - no-one feels silly, or that they might look as though they are over-reacting, if everyone has to do it. The compliance in Scotland is extremely good, I read today that it is almost 100% in shops. In England the government has done its usual faffing about and has only now made them mandatory - even a couple of days ago their so-called Health Secretary was saying they would not make masks a legal requirement as 'people would use their common sense', which was priceless coming from a member of a government that would nto know what common sense was if it came up and bit them on the behind. I agree with you Bellamarie, I think masks should be provided, people should not have to run around looking for some to buy - though having said that, many small firms and freelancers are now making very smart ones and selling them on ebay, and it is nice that they are able to make a little bit of money from this when their businesses have often been hard hit by loss of custom. I definitely think they should be provided for those who cannot afford them.

I am just back from a lovely walk at Glen Tanar, near Aboyne on Upper Deeside. The walk is along the river, through woods of Scots pines. Yesterday I was at Forvie Nature Reserve north of Aberdeen - a fine walk through the dunes to a huge and deserted beach.  You could see up and down the coast for miles. Not many seabirds though - I'm sure when i was last there a few years ago there were far more.

I'm turning to some lighter reading now - Rebecca Shaw's Trouble in the Village. I'm not sure why I stick with her series, it's all quite cliched, and the dialogue unconvincing at times, but I just can't stop myself.

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« Reply #21311 on: July 14, 2020, 12:20:32 PM »
Rosemary remember cashless means no more church bazaars or local high school kids selling candy door to door to buy sports equipment  - many a wedding and Bar Mitzvah will have to completely change its traditions -  everything has an addition cost that goes to the bank or the credit card company. Fine if your income allows for you to support banks and credit card companies. Many do but some do not and who wants to charge a donation to the Christmas bell ringers from the Salvation Army.
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« Reply #21312 on: July 14, 2020, 01:55:03 PM »
I take your point Barb, though when I think about it almost none of those things happen here. I have never been to a Bar Mitzvah (I would love to see one, but there are very few Jewish families in eastern Scotland) and it is not the custom to give cash at weddings here - it’s either a gift (these days usually chosen from a list the couple leave at John Lewis) or a bank transfer.

The scouts, guides, etc would definitely not be allowed to knock on people’s doors any more in the UK, and charity collections are no longer made door to door - they want bank transfers and standing orders these days. The more I think about it, if there were no cash the main losers in cities would be street beggars. I do see that that could be an issue.

I do enjoy bazaars and such like, but even they happen less and less often. All of our charity shops now ask us to pay contactless. Even the cathedral has now purchased hand held contactless ‘giving’ devices, I believe the stewards normally stand at the door with them. The diocese’s research shows that giving increases quite a lot when people can just swipe a card - I don’t honestly know why that is, but that’s what they say.

I myself have a £20 note in my purse that has been there since February - the only places I spend at the moment are of course grocery stores, the vet, the pharmacy (and the pharmacy won’t take cash AT ALL), and the garden centre. When I eventually do go into town I might visit a couple of charity bookshops, but I can’t think of anywhere that will insist on cash.My children’s older relations who still very kindly send them money for Christmas, etc, do still send cheques - but as our bank has no branches at all any more, these have to be posted to their central office. I just do an online transfer to the children if I am giving them money.

I don’t think I quite understand what you said about paying extra to the credit card company. There is no extra charge here for paying by card. Is that different in the US? Sorry if I am missing the point.

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« Reply #21313 on: July 14, 2020, 05:15:30 PM »
I very heartily suspect that there will never be a completely cashless society. The underground economy (it wasn't/isn't called trade for nothing) will just grow to much larger.

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« Reply #21314 on: July 14, 2020, 05:34:13 PM »
Rosemary - most pay a monthly fee and some pay interest since the bill often comes out before you make your payment to the credit card company - but the big new expense is if you expect to receive money from someone else's credit card there is a whole set of fees that anyone for instance owning a retail establishment pays - some credit cards companies charge businesses more than others and that is why some retailers will only accept some credit cards and not others - Example American Express charges the retailer far more than Discover card.

Also bank accounts that offer a credit service, if they do not charge for the service they expect you to keep a certain amount of money in your account. Works for most of us but I do remember helping a dear handicapped man who was living on Soc Sec and he could not afford to keep the $900 in his account that was expected by the bank - when he closed the account we helped him but it took a year for the bank to finally release his $900

And yes, I agree we use cash far less now then in the past however, we are thinking of our middle income lifestyle rather than those who are just above poverty and earning much of their money from tips and individual labor rather than being part of an organized business.

Yep frybabe and along with that way of thinking there will be more folks sharpening up their barter techniques

This concept of a cashless society is all part of the UN Agenda 21 - cash is what connects us to our nation - the cash is backed by the national treasury.
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« Reply #21315 on: July 15, 2020, 10:54:00 AM »
Well on further consideration we need to also remember that in Britain their equivalent to a dollar bill is the pound coin which weighs a ton. An absolute ton. A day's change is incredibly heavy, I don't see how they stand it,  and yes, dirty. Yes.  There's a reason why transatlantic flights ask if you have any "spare  change" to aid this or that charity project, and why they do so well, too.

I really had not considered the "cashless " idea  and I really don't understand all the ramifications of it, but I definitely don't want to return to the checkbook thing and having to present  all kinds of ID, such a pain in the neck, long lines while somebody fumbles for their ID, no thanks. At least in a cashless society  clerks who can't add or subtract (and there are many of them)  will not have to worry. :)


Rosemary:

Do you not hang game in America?  America being such a huge country it's hard to answer for for the entire nation.

 HERE "deer season," when you can legally hunt deer, (let's just stick with deer as "the well hung saddle of venison"  as the EF Benson quote goes), (and that "well hung" refers to 26 days of "curing," you  might say,  to increase flavor/ tenderness). But here deer season is quite warm?  People who hunt here on our land usually use an abattoir where the venison is "hung" for a week in a refrigerated room;  we do know one who does it at home, outside,  should it happen to be cooler weather.

When I was a child in PA which is colder in the fall,  it was common to see it done, I always thought it was horrific to see outside a garage or something. My husband who grew up on a farm recalls hanging beef for two weeks but in a special cooler (they are hotter in Georgia than we are at this time of year) room for this purpose.

To be quite frank, if you did it here in this heat without some kind of cover....well I won't go into it.



Rosemary,  on the Portillo,  what a joy it is. The program is SO well done, every detail,  and he's so enjoying himself. Even the theme music reminds one of a chugging train. I'm really obsessed with it, and as you say there are at least 10 sets of the series of it should I want to continue. Now  I am interested in what else he is doing, too, so am glad to hear about the new ones and the history.

 We're in Northern Wales this morning, zigzagging all over the country.  I see Blaenavon is one of the stops to come. I hope it will include the Big Pit:  my MIL and I went right after they first shut that mine down and one of the ponies was still alive. The miners take you through the pit,  or did, and I've got a real miner's lamp (not one of the imitations)  from that experience. It's a beautiful thing and amazing to look at and imagine the things it has  seen. Piece of history. That was back when I collected souvenirs, I don't, any more.



Now here is the difference in what Rosemary writes about train travel in Britain, showing the  difference in being a person who lives in a country (Rosemary)  and me, (nothing but an enthusiastic tourist). And it's a big difference.  As a tourist I usually buy the BritRail Pass, not available to those living in the UK.  This allows me to jump on or off any train anywhere I like, any time, without the long queues at the ticket office or machines. I keep being told I can do it cheaper point to point. I tried that last year. Waiting in long impatient lines to get a ticket and then trying to figure out the return? When you can just go on a whim wherever whenever?

To justify any possible difference in cost I usually take one very long journey by train which then pays for the rest of the week; they aren't very expensive. And I always get the 2nd class pass in the UK because quite frankly once you get out to the strange places I want to go, it's all 2nd class? Usually two cars. Usually with nobody else on them.  Sometimes having to lean out the window and open the door from the outside. To ME that's real living! hahahaa. In Italy only First Class, I get tired of standing up for several hours in packed crowds otherwise.  Same in Germany, Belgium,  Switzerland, the European continent except France.  In France I go point to point, due to their (new to me) return policy on trains which I very much like.... 2nd class only in England. I really love train travel.



Last night my husband and I  rode up to the crest of the vineyard  to look at the Comet, have any of you seen it?

It's a bit early to be looking HERE  in its trajectory but we've got till August, supposedly the 23rd of July is best for us here, if clear,  and the sky was full of spectacular  constellations so we got to argue over which one was which. It was fun, bad on the neck,  but great fun.

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« Reply #21316 on: July 15, 2020, 01:12:29 PM »
There is a wonderful app called Sky View, you can download on your phone or ipad to see all the constellations, their names, the planets, International Space Station, Space Hubble telescope, and so much more.  You can also click a button to take a pic of what you see. Here are a few pics I took:





You can actually be inside your house or car and see everything.  I just took this pic inside my house. 

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« Reply #21317 on: July 15, 2020, 01:25:13 PM »
All this talk of trains reminds me of my student days when you could get a student pass and travel all over Europe for practically nothing (must have been because I had very little money and at the time you were only allowed to take 15 pounds sterling out of the UK.  It was marked in your passport I recall).
You could be on a train for days and get out at different stations...ate my first frankfurter in Frankfurt train station, had to get out in east Berlin and have my passport scrutinized by the commies on my way to Poland!  I suppose my most memorable train trip was to Greece. One train had seats that you pulled across the compartment to make one large bed that everyone lay on together.  I was on my own so it wasn't as if I was surrounded by anyone I knew.  But it didn't matter, it was all very exciting.  I remember you really got into the sort of rhythm of travel and you just sat there happily as the train chugged along.  I'm usually always in a rush to do the next thing but I reckon I got into a real meditative state on a train!

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« Reply #21318 on: July 16, 2020, 02:25:22 PM »
Love that story, Dana, such happy memories  and adventures from train travel.  The Eurail passes are still like that, you could just go, forever.  And the memories you bring back! I was laughing my head off over Bill Bryson yesterday, he is SUCH a hoot. I keep marking things from his books to bring here but they never make it. Anybody who has ever traveled anywhere, any time can't help laughing at him. Yesterday he took a "short cut" and the description of his literally sort of helicoptering down a hillside is so funny I can hardly type this.  His description of the cable car being out in Capri and his having to climb instead  up from the harbor is laugh out loud hilarious. Everything he does, all of his reactions  are such a hoot you have to put the book down and laugh, because while we all may not have made either of those climbs or falls, we've done something like it and can relate.

Travel is that way, to me, always an adventure. I find myself enjoying a laugh occasionally when everything else seems so negative.

That's a great APP to know about, thank you, Bellamarie! I've installed it on my iphone.

:) Rant about the grocery store removed.   Still thinking it, though.  Hahaha




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« Reply #21319 on: July 17, 2020, 01:58:37 PM »
 Talking about change, books have changed, too, haven't they? Particularly children's books.  I find myself looking back to the past a good bit lately. Some of the books I most fondly recall are long lost, of course, and I have been looking for two, particularly,  for years.  But I do have one of the first ones, which we used in school, called the Guidance in Reading Series for schools.

 It's called Neighbors and Helpers and had to be primary school  because I remember the 3rd and 4th grade ones:   Controlled vocabulary, written by a professor at the U of Chicago.

The copyright for the book is 1936 and no I'm not that old but we used it. I've skipped a couple of pages of text here whereupon in going to the North Woods they meet an Indian and Joe remarks he doesn't look like the Indians he had seen in pictures, but Father said he was an Indian. "The Indian" who helps them make camp and leaves them for two weeks and returns to pick them up, never is given  a name, but he does get credit for knowing the best how to make a camp.

LOOK at Dad!



 I can't help but wonder what Dad would look like in 2020 in the same situation. :)


The book is about different cultures,  and includes stories about the wisdom of grandparents (who all live on farms),  silk worms, Native American Indians, beekeeping, the origins and history of the Post Office in the US, Colonial Days, George Washington, Life in Norway and many other things.


The best part? I was somewhat startled to see it's considered an "antique book."  hahaha

 I think books for adults have changed too. I remember being in a class on writing Mysteries taught by the then Poet Laureate of SC who had gone into writing mysteries.  She said she was  told that you must grab the reader in the first sentence or two, at the very most in  the first paragraph. You must grab him immediately because the editors who choose what goes to press will not read more than a paragraph.

If you compare that to some of the books in the last 100 years you see a huge difference. But why, I wonder? And is that still accurate?

I've been trying to remember my favorite books as a youngster. Anything about horses. Black Beauty, all those Stallion Books (and there were a lot of them, Black Stallion, etc)...and then the series for girls...Cherry Ames, Student Nurse.....Was the one for the smallest children called The Bobbsey Twins?  There was another series..

If you had to do one of those instant answer tests, what book do you remember the most from your childhood and why?