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Re: The Library
« Reply #22680 on: December 28, 2021, 09:23:56 PM »

The Library


Our library  is open 24/7; the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.
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« Reply #22681 on: December 28, 2021, 09:29:21 PM »
 ;) those recipes do not suffer fools lightly do they - they all appear to have an ingredient that you are just supposed to know what to do with it... my guess spritz the lemon on the boiled salmon - however just the concept of boiling salmon is new to me - ah so and such is the differences between the customs and traditions that go back in time from various areas of this world...  :D
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« Reply #22682 on: December 30, 2021, 12:44:23 PM »
A little while back I read a book called A Desolation Called Peace by Arkady Martine. I was reminded of the book when I ran across a reference to a speech that Tacitus attributed to Calgacus when the Romans defeated him in battle at the Battle of Mons Graupius in northern Scotland in 83AD. Here is the speech:

"To all of us slavery is a thing unknown; there are no lands beyond us, and even the sea is not safe, menaced as we are by a Roman fleet. And thus in war and battle, in which the brave find glory, even the coward will find safety. Former contests, in which, with varying fortune, the Romans were resisted, still left in us a last hope of succor, inasmuch as being the most renowned nation of Britain, dwelling in the very heart of the country, and out of sight of the shores of the conquered, we could keep even our eyes unpolluted by the contagion of slavery. To us who dwell on the uttermost confines of the earth and of freedom, this remote sanctuary of Britain's glory has up to this time been a defense. Now, however, the furthest limits of Britain are thrown open, and the unknown always passes for the marvelous. But there are no tribes beyond us, nothing indeed but waves and rocks, and the yet more terrible Romans, from whose oppression escape is vainly sought by obedience and submission. Robbers of the world, having by their universal plunder exhausted the land, they rifle the deep. If the enemy be rich, they are rapacious; if he be poor, they lust for dominion; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a wasteland and call it peace."

Now I wonder if Ms. Martine got her title from that last phrase.  It makes me want to read the Teixcalaan two book series again. I think I can see something of a similar theme as expressed in this speech. The sentiments expressed in the speech certainly fit the general political situation of the independent homeworld (actually a huge space station in this case).  But there is much more to the Teixcalaan story than what is in the speech. The story is about an individual, an ambassador, who is trying to hold off an Empire so that her home can remain independent, who herself becomes somewhat assimilated to the society of Empire, and her struggle with her eventual realization that she has become an outsider and unwelcome to her own people, but isn't exactly at home in the Empire either. I imagine that a lot of immigrants end up feeling the same - caught between two worlds.  I still highly recommend  A Memory Called Empire and A Desolation Called Peace.

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« Reply #22683 on: December 30, 2021, 01:25:26 PM »
Had not thought of it that way but yes... and now that there is little unknowns left except the seas of this world the marvelous is entering and exploring outer space - "the unknown always passes for the marvelous."

This could have been written about today... Wow - "Robbers of the world, having by their universal plunder exhausted the land, they rifle the deep. If the enemy be rich, they are rapacious; if he be poor, they lust for dominion; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a wasteland and call it peace."
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« Reply #22684 on: December 31, 2021, 09:17:34 AM »
Wonderful and stirring words! Of course it's immediately recognizable as belonging to Tacitus who had a bone to pick with Roman aristocrats, the Senate, and expansionism empire building, big time, in his history  about Britain, notably the Agricola, but they are  marvelously written words anyway, and even more dramatic when supposedly from  a simple (and they weren't) barbarian. I love Ariovistus, another "barbarian," this time a  German warlord, who gives Caesar a run for his money in the intelligent repartee, logic,  debate, and complaint department, as quoted by Caesar.  We can see vestiges of Ariovistus today, in some of our world leaders,  and of course these words from Tacitus are applicable, some would say to any time, really.

The irony is that without the Romans, nobody would ever have heard at all about
most of these ancient Celts, of any country, including Calgacus, and  Boudicca (also thanks to Tacitus)   the great heroine of the British Celtic 61 A.D revolt.


I think Monty (I do wish spell check would stop correcting my spelling)  Python and the Holy Grail  had a good comeback to the issue  in  What Have the Romans Done for Us? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ Of course that's Britain and not Scotland. :)

I came in to say Happy 7th Day of Christmas!  Here many of the Christmas decorations go down on December 26. I like the 12 Days. Quick, can you sing all the verses down to the first day without looking? Here's a hint:




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Re: The Library
« Reply #22685 on: December 31, 2021, 11:54:15 AM »
Interesting - never noticed before - the seventh day is the last day that the activity is animal/bird centered - useful animal and fowl including the golden rings however starting tomorrow it is all human activity - maids milking then ladies dancing, Lords leaping, drummers and pipers - was that the message - starting on the 8th day humans need to get going and stop watching, even praying if the symbolism is to be given its due.

1 True Love refers to God
2 Turtle Doves refers to the Old and New Testaments
3 French Hens refers to Faith, Hope and Charity, the Theological Virtues
4 Calling Birds refers to the Four Gospels and/or the Four Evangelists
5 Golden Rings refers to the first Five Books of the Old Testament
6 Geese A-laying refers to the six days of creation
7 Swans A-swimming refers to the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, the seven sacraments

Your pointing out Ginny how without Rome history would have been lost - dwelling on that thought at first I thought it takes an empire with enough talent but then it hit me - it takes money to preserve history and only those who have accumulated wealth and talent (which includes education) have the where with all wealth and talent to devote to documenting and preserving -

Although, I remember learning last summer that the Druids were the teachers and even one of the Caesars sent his sons to Britain to be educated by the Druids - and so I am wondering if it all comes down to money - It costs money to keep scribes or to have a place to store even old letters. Although, we do have some early history from Wales and Ireland - it just never got the huge acceptance that the Roman historical documents received -

With both the Walsh and Irish language having been squashed I wonder if that is part of why Roman documentation was and is studied - Another influence is Latin was actively studied and part of the Catholic Church where as the Walsh, Irish or Scottish languages did not have that extra outlet -

Come to think of it didn't we read that the Goths had the first written Constitution even before the Romans and it is still available to see and read - hmm wonder what the impetus was to see the ancient European world through the eyes of the Romans. 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #22686 on: January 01, 2022, 12:10:49 AM »
Happy New Year to all who post here and in Books & Movies, etc.!
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« Reply #22687 on: January 01, 2022, 01:23:59 AM »
We are into the New Year - wishing everyone the best and y'all find books to read that tickle your funny bone and lift your spirit and delight your curiosity
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« Reply #22688 on: January 02, 2022, 08:13:04 AM »
Yes, Happy New Year, EVERYBODY! Did you make a New Year's Resolution?

 I forgot to.

That shows you the quality of sleep I am getting bolstered by Benedryl.  I've been taking Tylenol PM recommended by my hairdresser, which does give a wonderful sleep,  but which  does have Benedryl, going by its other name Diphenhydramine, an antihistimine  which is in almost all sleep medications. Which is known to cause dementia, as any pharmacist will tell  you. Leaves me brainless, time to get off for good.

I didn't have a resolution, but I do now. There's an interesting article in today's US version of The Guardian about our short little attention spans now, not only in those over 60, in the young, too:  EVERYBODY! It's horrifying, really.

I don't have the ipad here and can't find the article online  using the main computer, but the jist is not breaking news: turn off the screen before attempting to  sleep because the screen itself, and the  constant brief invasions on  your sense of attention is destroying your ability to concentrate, period. It does ask how long has it been since you really sank into a book with no distractions? The list of things that screen causes you before sleep  is astounding, anxiety, depression, on and on.  Why do that to yourself before sleep?

I like Paul Simon, and he sang of this a long time ago in his song You Can Call Me Al:

A man walks down the street
He says, "Why am I short of attention?
Got a short little span of attention
And, whoa, my nights are so long

There it is, in a nutshell,  but it doesn't have to be. So last night was my last night with ipad before sleep and no  Benedryl and that's MY resolution and I think for my own sake I need to keep it lest I slide back even further.

But there are so MANY things I need to make resolutions about!!!!!!!! Why do so MANY things now present themselves?  Too bad there is not a wand one can wave and fix everything in an instant!

(Love the symbolism  behind the Counting Song on the 12 Days, Barbara!) Love Counting Songs. Happy 8th Day of Christmas from the only wreaths on the street left. :)

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Re: The Library
« Reply #22689 on: January 02, 2022, 01:45:12 PM »
They are everywhere! Once again I have run across a reference to a Roman, this time, believe it or not, in a scifi about a bounty hunter who named his ship Charietto. According to a Greek Historian named Zosimus there was a bounty hunter/headhunter operating for Rome along the Rhine frontier near Treverorum (Trier) during the tenure of future emperor Julian as commander of the region. The bounty hunter, whose name was Charietto, took it upon himself to hunt barbarian raiders at night, sever their heads, and display them in town the following morning. That got him the attention of Julian who gave him high praises. I don't know how reliable this Zosimus is; he lived over a century after Julian.

The only other Charietto I found was a Roman general who lost his life during a tussle with the Alamanni according to Ammianus Marcellinus who was a Roman soldier and historian living about that time. He was actually born one year before Julian and was a great admirer of the Emperor. Well, I guess I will have to read Marcellinus now. Encyclopedia Britannica calls him the last great Roman historian. His surviving works only cover about 25 years, too bad.

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« Reply #22690 on: January 02, 2022, 02:11:06 PM »
Ah a good night's sleep... Tip Ginny - since there is no combo use one tea bag of passion flower and one tea bag of chamomile for a nightly cupa and take a capsule of magnesium with it - that way no chemicals affecting your system and where sleep my not be instant as with an over the counter tablet there is not all the stress so that sleep is relaxed - of course there is always a Homeopathic solutions and Hylands has a table that dissolves under the tongue called Calm or another called Calm Forté that is especially for sleeping. Good Luck...

Last early November I was reading a book Resilient Stitch that had a bit how repairing clothing we are repairing our hearts and how our well-being is connected to the Textile Arts - I thought of my Grandmother and even me as a kid - when she visited from the time I was 5 till I was about 10 we spent hours together darning socks and sewing on loose or lost buttons - I still have the darning eggs we used - well reading that book there was another bit about how Joy was better than guilt or blame - I thought easy said then done... Talk about a message - in my daily prayer book within the next day or two there was another message all about how we honor God with our Joy and we were made to be Joyful - then the next day's read listed the practices that develop Joy -  ...practice these talking points; appreciation, approval, compliment, endorsement. 

I liked that is was not a case of scolding myself - don't do or say this or that but rather - to practice a way of talking - not even thinking just talking and to help me since I seem to have created a constant inner dialogue that for sure is affecting my well-being I've decided for the next month I will not listen, watch or read any news past 4:00 in the afternoon - if it makes a difference I may add another month but for now a month is doable - the world is not coming to an end in the next 31 days and so I don't need to read the opinion of one reporter or commentator after an initial morning report -

And so my two New Year resolutions - to practice in earnest the talking points of appreciation, approval, compliment and endorsement as well as, for at least the month of January no listening, watching or reading the news after 4:00 in the afternoon.

Ha ha frybabe your sharing the story of Charietto reminds me of how many a news reporter wants to figuratively sever heads and display them all over the TV and internet... I guess it is OK if the heads severed are not supporting the viewpoints of one side or another... OH what a great image to remind me that I do not have to nightly watch reporters like bounty hunters out severing heads... love it...
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Re: The Library
« Reply #22691 on: January 02, 2022, 04:52:00 PM »
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« Reply #22692 on: January 03, 2022, 11:55:32 AM »
Tomereader - I'm vaguely remembering back earlier in 2021 didn't you say you were making it a habit to drink a glass of water when you woke up in the morning - have you noticed any difference in your health, well-being or energy by doing that - I've read how our typical 8 hour sleep can be dehydrating and our body needs liquid and in the past coffee was my first liquid but no longer - it is too much acid and so I've switched to tea and replaced orange juice with a store bought green juice by Bolthouse but now wondering if a full glass of water isn't the ticket.

A couple of years ago I found no one wanted cookbooks - I sell most of my books to Half Price and they would not even take a hardback in perfect condition cookbook - and so I just kept my collection - well now that I am sorting and clearing looks like Goodwill will have a flood of cookbooks - do not have the heart to simply toss them in the recycle bin and if that is what Goodwill ends up doing then at least I do not have to see it... I would think with restaurants closed and people working from home or quitting and living a simpler life cookbooks would be back but it seems most just want the recipe and not the story behind or the story of where the food grows or what is best paired with this or that, how to handle a knife or other skills used in the kitchen and so they easily find a recipe online - a recipe was never enough for me and so all my cookbooks are still out of style.
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« Reply #22693 on: January 03, 2022, 01:38:51 PM »
For sleep I highly recommend a meditation app.  Medito and Let's Meditate (try Restful Sleep) are both free.  Sleep stories and body scans really do work.  I am totally amazed that the medical profession never mentions them among the list of sleep  therapies, most of which do not work.  Maybe because they only became available easily with the advent of the smart phone.

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« Reply #22694 on: January 03, 2022, 06:59:20 PM »
I didn't get very far with that glass of water on arising!  Sorry to say.  I still must have my coffee, and when I decide on what I want for breakfast, I usually have a small glass of orange juice. 

I just love the Bolthouse drinks.  My favorite is the Banana Almond Honey.  Must be everyone else's favorite too, as every time I need some, that is the version that is sold out! 

I have trouble sleeping, but I really don't trust putting apps on my phone.  I only have the necessary ones.  My phone is not one of those $1,000 Iphones, and consequently it runs short on battery-life, and the more apps you have, the less battery life you have. 

I certainly don't get 8 hours of sleep with any regularity.  I might get 6-7 hours one night, three or four another night, and every now and again, I don't sleep, but have to get up and watch something on TV or read something, till my eyes grow heavy, then I go back to bed and possibly get 4-5 hours.
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« Reply #22695 on: January 03, 2022, 08:40:39 PM »
owww that Banana Almond Honey sounds great - could not find it on the Amazon grocery site where I have my groceries delivered but the shock of it - the typical 59 cent can of baked beans is now priced at 1.29 and Bush's black beans the 98 cent size is 2.19 - thank goodness I do not need anything now because they are out of nearly everything i would typically order and the prices are increasing every week. sheesh If this keeps up we will all be drinking more water just to full us up...
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« Reply #22696 on: January 04, 2022, 08:57:58 AM »
Lots of great suggestions here, thank you all so much. I'm up for anything at this point.

My New Year's Resolution of no screens before sleep lasted exactly 24 hours, I need the screen to read the book I am supposedly reading for relaxation.

I'm disappointed in the book. It's Ethan Canin's latest one,, The Doubter's Almanac.  I had intended to read his America, America, which I think is something that pertains to  our situation today, but for some reason the premise of this one attracted me.

 I love his writing, and it is good, but I'm a long way past the Young Sex Every Few Minutes  in Great Detail bit. Still it's a wonderful premise otherwise,  and it keeps luring me back. I guess I can turn pages electronically, I mean really. I know the Fires of Spring, etc.,  but REALLY? It's about a math genius in a family of geniuses and  how he does not fit in much there or anywhere else.   And the joys of Math, which I hate and thought I would be interested in. And I am, I'm enjoying that part.

 I would have edited out 99 percent of the current awakening of the young man sexually and I'd have been happy.  Canin himself is a polymath and a genius. It's kind of about a Young  Sheldon grown up.

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« Reply #22697 on: January 04, 2022, 09:18:24 AM »
On the SLEEP front, I had just read that our ancestors would be surprised to  hear we object to waking up at the dreaded 3 am or 2 am, as they considered that normal.  Two distinct periods of sleep. Apparently the trick IS not to get up, turn on lights, do zoomy video games?   And then you can continue on in sleep. Thing is, I continue long past 6 am when that happens.

I've started with Magnesium which I used to take for years before bed, my DIL says her exercise  class swears on it. So am off the Benedryl and finally getting some sleep. 2 nights running so far. Which beats up every hour.

 I remember, however, that Magnesium can destroy your kidneys if you are taking too much, and how much IS too much? So this morning when I go out I'm going to look for some slow release and a lower dose. I stopped taking Magnesium  separately (in addition to vitamin supplements), at night when I went to  Germany on a trip and had misread the label and had actually brought 500 mg with me instead of the lower dose I was used to,  and THAT was way too much. (If you want Montezuma's Revenge on a trip, take 500 mg of Magnesium every night.)

I will look into the Meditation, I've had it recommended to me for years by my GP, but I'm so hyper that it makes me nervous to even think of it. It's on an APP and free, why not look into it? I am finding the wonderful Jigsaw  puzzles I work on a wonderful free  APP with I think the company is Veraxen,  with the soothing music (you can turn on or off)  usually put me to sleep also. Very calming,  and pleasant, something for every taste.   I do about 2 a day now, SO fun. Every subject you can imagine, you select the number of pieces,  they are waiting at all times, you can always look at the picture, it's a total winner for me.

Funniest thing, though, it's been YEARS since I had any kind of leg cramp at  night which Magnesium is supposed to stop? And I had one this morning, 2nd day out. Might be hydration.

Am also off for good, since August 19, Diet Pepsi. Now THERE is a resolution I did keep.  The Aspartame!! Heat it and it turns into formaldehyde, and do we think those bottles are refrigerated in those delivery trucks? And is it linked to dementia, too? Uh...One reason I think our population life expectancy is declining instead of getting longer is the poisons we put in our bodies. I may be turning into a health freak.

But what to drink in the morning  otherwise, if one does not drink coffee or tea?  One has no caffeine and one then is VERY VERY relaxed, like a zombie, which is novel but won't work for intensive brain stuff. Like wading through a swamp to think.

My DIL recommended these new V-8 Energy drinks. All sorts of flavors, real fruit juice,  tall little cans, 50 calories, I like the orange,  and as much caffeine as any energy drink. It's working for me, unless I drink 2 of them, then I shake all day. Best to switch to Evian after one 8 oz can,  or one's choice of H20. Evian has bicarbs in it naturally which is nice for the stomach.

So! Did not mean to turn this into True Medical Confessions, but am enjoying hearing what works and what does not.

:)

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« Reply #22698 on: January 04, 2022, 09:32:07 PM »
Great, Ginny.  Love the "true medical confessions".  When I used to go (infrequently) to a Writer's Group, everyone would sit down and commence with, what the leader called "The Organ Recital", telling about what part of our aging bodies fell out of tune!  Then we would commence to do our impromptu writing assignments, or read from what we had written since the last meeting! 
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« Reply #22699 on: January 05, 2022, 01:08:49 AM »
Tomereader you have no idea how glad I am that you shared your erratic sleep pattern - of course I thought I was the only one... what a relief - however I must say when I take 'Calm' along with the Hyland product for leg cramps I get 5 hours and then if it is still dark or dusk I can successfully go back and get two more...but if the first 5 hours did not start till 2: or later then the risk is after the 5 hours the sun will be up and then no way - the best I can do is get tired mid-day and nap - those days the nap can be as long as 3 hours - hate loosing the nice afternoons when the temps are not summer triple digit or high 90s - then having a nap is welcome, can't do much and sure do not want to be outdoors but the other seasons missing afternoons is a bummer. The glories of aging - trying to take all this with good grace is a trick and a half...
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« Reply #22700 on: January 05, 2022, 10:54:27 AM »
Oh, this is promising. I just bought C. S. Lewis book Of Other Worlds: Essays and Stories. I used to love essays when I was younger, but got away from them for some reason. Anyway, I could not pass this book up after reading the opening line of the preface written by Walter Hooper (who ever he is), where he quotes Lewis:

"You can't get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough to suit me."

The only book of Lewis's that I tried to read was The Screwtape Letters, but it didn't suit me. In addition to the Of Other Worlds:... buy, I have added  Lewis's Space Trilogy books into my FLP wishlist. They will have to wait a while though because I have others ahead of it.


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« Reply #22701 on: January 05, 2022, 02:17:22 PM »
Frybabe are you saying you never read any of the Narnia stories or saw the movie of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe... I had not heard of them when I was a kid but later there was a time where the Lion... was all over --- difficult to miss but maybe without kids it was an easy miss

Found this and just skimming it is so thorough I may not read the book that has been on my list forever... a detailed summary of Allegory of Love. A few years ago I was reading what I could find on the history of marriage and this Lewis book was on my list that I never did get to since so many of my questions were answered by other reads that as usual veered me off into another direction...

http://lewisiana.nl/allegsum/

Wow can you imagine being at Oxford when both he and Tolken were teaching at the same time...
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« Reply #22702 on: January 06, 2022, 06:48:18 AM »
That is exactly what I am saying, Barb. I never even heard of Narnia until after the first movie came out. I think I eventually watched it or part of it, but I don't remember much.

The paper by Arend Smilde looks very interesting. I've downloaded it to read a little later today.

I've been watching a few of those "Urban Explorer" clips on YouTube, you know, the ones who seem to be trespassing  on so called abandoned properties just to film the building and what people left. They are both fascinating and disturbing at the same time. Who leaves some of this stuff untouched for so long. The books, oh all the books, just sitting there. Whole libraries full. Breaks my heart. I even saw some of the toys I played with when I was little. Most of these "explorers" either had no clue who had owned the places or why they were abandoned or they weren't saying, and they were careful not to disclosed exact locations. This is apparently a "thing" in other countries as well. Who up and leaves everything, and I mean everything. Whole families just gone and leave all their stuff. I am guessing some of this is due to bankruptcy, some to estate issues especially if there are no heirs. But so many? One bright ray of light is that someone bought and is restoring an abandoned townhouse that had belonged to a prominent businessman who had been in the woodworking business. An act of love and a sense of historical value there. Bless him.

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« Reply #22703 on: January 06, 2022, 02:07:21 PM »
As interesting would be to follow back and get a couple of the scenarios that accompany these abandoned properties to give us some idea of the experiences people have. Frybabe I'm thinking there are going to be more and more abandoned libraries - my sister used to sell used books - mostly history and philosophy - she did well and then about 10 to 15 years ago orders went to a trickle and then a drip and she stopped - she still has a houseful of books that she does not have the heart to get rid of but too many to read within her remaining lifetime. The use of libraries will soon be a lost activity with the pandemic now into its 3rd year folks have gotten out of the habit of their weekly or every other week trip and kids have not had that experience so that they will turn to reading online if they read at all - the dumbing down of the curriculum is alarming to me but it is what it is...  my guess is those kids who are brought up in well educated families will read making the divide greater - what would be most interesting is to have the comparison by say Amazon between books sold versus Kindle books sold.   

Since I've been watching the Digi channel with a couple of the police/detective series, one in the countryside and the other in I think it is Melbourne anyhow the one that takes place in Melbourne has a detective who obviously has aborigine roots, he is younger then when he played in the PBS series A Place to Call Home - anyhow, in this he is a detective and no bones are made that he is, as those in the show call, a dark skin - the show is based on the uglies of a union and a woman lawyer who used to work for the union and is being framed for a murder - she is also a dark skin - the end of the episode they are reminiscing painful memories of their childhood that Duncan, the name for the detective, initiates and it is a window into Australia's history which is similar to some of our native American experiences where parents are killed by the state and the children sent to either foster care or institutional type foster care - In the show the young women looks like her mom and the detective being 7, to her being 2 at the time sees the likeness - Hearing her story they are long lost siblings united.  I had never heard of that side of the Australian story - also learned that what we would call a tribe they call a mob.

Now I wonder if there is any literature from Australia or authors we should know about - seems to me one of the first books discussed Snow falling on Cedars was by an Australian and most of us either read or watched the mini-series by Colleen McCullough - I'm remembering back when we were SeniorNet there was someone from Australia as well as, someone from New Zealand that contributed to the discussions - I do not remember their names but the gal from Australia talked about a cookbook of Australian recipes that I did purchase and the gal from New Zealand talked about the honey, that is so expensive now but then at various prices it had various natural health giving properties.   

Found this site - wow a few I had read and did not realize the author's were Australian.
https://wayfaringviews.com/best-australian-books/#lit
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Re: The Library
« Reply #22704 on: January 06, 2022, 07:37:47 PM »
Speaking of books, cookbooks and Senior Net, I was cleaning out a file drawer and ran into my copy of the Senior Cyber Friends Cookbook.  All the recipes have the name and sometimes picture of the Senior Netter who contributed to the cookbook.  Nice to see some of the names I recall from way back then, and wonder how many of them are still "with us".  GensiaZee, NVAda, Dene Sutton, OdessaDay, DragonDol, CarCondo, ElvaMay, Animla, Myrnart, QLTMKR, Donna, Val (Govwgo1) Ginny Storsch, RioGal64, delores Peigh (DKR622, and Lillian Mount (BirdsEtc).
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« Reply #22705 on: January 07, 2022, 06:59:41 AM »
Markus Zusak who wrote The Book Thief is also Australian. So are Laine Moriarty who wrote Big Little Lies and Graeme Simsion who wrote The Rosie Project. Have you ever seen Rabbit-Proof Fence? It was based on the the true story of the author's mother. The book title is Follow the Rabbit-Proof Fence by Doris Pilkington Garimara.

Tomereader1, what a find. I don't remember it, nor are any of the names familiar.
 
Ginny, I am a little slow in finishing Gladius and must send it back in two days. Then I will have to put it on hold again because there is someone waiting for it now. Anyway, so far, I haven't seen anything in the book about the contents of the gear the Legionaries must carry other than mention of Marius' requiring his men to carry their gear on a pole which is what, some assert, gave rise to the legion's knick-name, Marius Mules. I do remember reading some time ago about Legionairies having to carry two (?) poles with them but cannot remember where. I guess that a small contingent of Legionaries might carry their tent(s), tent poles and pegs with them. Larger groups would have baggage trains that would surely carry those things. Another take away I had from that read was that with the larger groups, once the scouting parties had found a suitable camping site, the first of the legionairies to arrive at the camp site would immediately start marking out the perimeter and digging the trench and mound security barriers. Those following would set about completing the task of setting up the fortifications and setting up the camp itself. And, of course, if temporary, it would all be torn down again when they left.

So far, I can say that the first four or five chapters added nothing new to what I already knew. Farther in it becomes more interesting. I am pleased that the I am finding some more detail to some of the things I saw in the YouTube clips, especially as pertains to Vindolanda. Okay, so now we know that if they couldn't take it with them they buried it or burned it so that their enemies could not make use of it later. This included 900,000 iron nails found buried near Hadrian's Wall. I forget if that was at Vindolanda or one of the other forts, but they were mining in the north too, which I didn't know about. Also, he elaborated a little on the granaries at the permanent forts, giving me a better picture than the one YouTube presentation. That presentation only showed ventilation holes in the buildings, but never mentioned that the floors inside the building were raised off the ground to help keep the grain from heating up to the point of combustion, and to help reduce damage by mice. This is the first time I have read that they knew about and took steps to prevent fires and explosions caused by grain overheating. Well, I guess that shouldn't be a surprise, but I never ran across it mentioned before. Oh, and now I am to a bit about Pliny and his letters to Trajan. One of my favorites from Latin lessons. Love it.

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« Reply #22706 on: January 07, 2022, 08:40:03 AM »
Interesting, Frybabe, thank you.  It appears to me that de Bedoyere is saving his readers a lot of time and expense by  saying things you ordinarily would have to spend a good bit of time and money finding out.

 The bit about granaries, for instance.  I've seen that at The Saalburg Roman Fort but I had to go to  Bad Homburg Germany to do it. So that's a real service to his readers. One does not have to spend eons of time and money to see it first hand, although I wouldn't give anything for the experience, still it's a great alternative.

Good point on the  baggage train. I might like to hear more about that.  My understanding is every man carried that pack on the march, regardless,  that's one of the amazing things about the Roman infantry. 

I will be very interested in his comments/ summaries about Pliny's Letters to Trajan as I've got a class in that now in person.   We are reading all the Bithynia et Pontus letters in Latin and are up to 40 I think out of 120. It's fascinating.

If you like Pliny you may want Roy Gibson's Man of High Empire, very readable and new, and Gibson is IT right now in Pliny scholarship. Or Daisy Dunne's The Shadow of Vesuvius which is about that eruption. Especially if you like oysters. :)


Tomereader, I am feeling some anxiety because I don't recognize any of those names from SeniorNet, do you recall (It's only been, what,  20  years? hahaha) where they posted? Perhaps Marcie remembers them, I may send that to her.

OMG, the "Organ Recital," I never heard that phrase!!!!!!! What  a HOOT!!  Have been laughing ever since. ahahaha

My husband and I , in our late 30's went on two cruises and never went on one again. He HATED it. Just absolutely HATED it.

But on the 2nd one, which was on the QEII, I was trying to read in one of the large rooms, the library being too small and the room being cleaned, and all I heard around me was "if you think THAT'S a condition...or......you think THAT  operation was long, my Milt had ...."  and such a recital of medical things, conditions and doctors you never heard,  and it was THE conversation, no matter where you turned. I  was stunned and reported same to husband....flash forward many years, and NOW it sounds like something I could totally join in, and  be interested in as well!!!  I'd like to hear about Milt's condition now.

  One thing I took from it was that every single person's story featured the BEST DOCTOR in the WORLD, who normally only saw special patients, etc. Every single one of them had THE BEST, and that has not changed either,  in the last 40 years.

Barbara, Frybabe are you saying you never read any of the Narnia stories or saw the movie of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe..  I didn't, either, and I love C.S. Lewis's writings and did enjoy The Screwtape Letters and often think of them.

Maybe we should list the  Famous Childhood Books We Never Read and Movies We Never Saw.   This to me is interesting because I was a voracious reader (and have the extreme myopia to prove it, they were right, you know, about too much reading, but who can ever get enough?) and my mother had been a first grade teacher, there's not much we didn't read. But no Narnia, no Wardrobe. My father read Little House on the Prairie to me. I can't recall too many others. I have an original first edition Mother Goose and can quote most of it, verbatim, it was my mother's. But some of those Grimms Brothers things still  horrify me.

Movies: The thing about the bells and the angels wings with Jimmy Stewart. What's it called?  My grandson is astonished I never saw it. Can't seem to stand it, actually, and never got far in it. Have tried many times.

Anything with...what's his name...the Genius....Orson Welles... the sled thing.....

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« Reply #22707 on: January 07, 2022, 11:33:19 AM »
Add me to the avid library user as a child…rode my bike down there often and I was allowed to check out anything they had.  My parents never had the $$ for comic books or paper or hardbacks. 

I, too, never heard of and  “never read any of the Narnia stories or saw the movie of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.”

Now, Nancy Drew?  Oh, yes, I loved her!

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« Reply #22708 on: January 07, 2022, 02:29:38 PM »
Since The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe was published in 1950 it would be typical that most of us did not read it as children - it is after, read either to our children or there was a phase when it was all over that probably started with the first movie in 1979 and then the resurgence with several of the Narnia stories made into movies in the early 2000.

Published in 1945 was my daughter's favorite - Pippi Longstockings - also in 1945 Stuart Little and in 1952 Charlotte's Web - all after our childhood

Now one that was published early in the century was Wind in the Willows that I did not read as a kid nor did I read to my children but found it after William Horwood was given permission and picked up the series - then I read them all and saw several versions of the movie and have several illustrated copies of Grahame's original story.

The one that I did not enjoy as a kid was Alice in Wonderland and then we read it here on SeniorNet and still did not enjoy it - the Aunt that gave me Alice... also gave me Through the Looking Glass - never did read it...

The other that I did not like as a kid was Little Women - thought they were all insipid. And yes, Jane like you I liked Nancy Drew... she did things...   8)

Just remembered, never read Winnie the Pooh nor did I read it to my children however, both my daughter and daughter in law read it to the grandboys. That was when I read it and saw many of the movies since there was so many stories that followed.
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« Reply #22709 on: January 08, 2022, 06:49:19 PM »
Came across a link to bucket lists that says it can save you money that I forgot was even on my computer - Of course there is a list of books - in fact two lists but the one is a list of 40 classics and why you should read them - I've read many but among those I had not read is Lorna Doone - I thought I had read it years ago but realized at the time I was more interested in early American stories and one after the other read the Leather Stocking Tales and so... I downloaded Lorna Doone, all 720 pages for the grand sum of .99 - Have not read a book with that much to say in years - no War and Peace for sure but, surprise to me less pages than Kristin Lavransdatter that we read here a few years back that I thoroughly enjoyed.

Interesting, falls right in line with my curiosity read The Debatable Land: The Lost world between Scotland and England - evidently according to the book...

"a region called the Debatable Land. For several centuries, this desolate tract running north-east from the Solway Firth had served as a buffer between the two nations. Within those fifty square miles, by parliamentary decrees issued by both countries in 1537 and 1551, ‘all Englishmen and Scottishmen are and shall be free to rob, burn, spoil, slay, murder and destroy, all and every such person and persons, their bodies, property, goods and livestock . . . without any redress to be made for same’. By all accounts, they availed themselves of the privilege. Under Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, James V and James VI, the Debatable Land had been the bloodiest region in Britain."

The author is taking a holiday trip through the area describing what he sees and writing about the history of the area as he travels.

It appears Lorna Doone takes place just over 100 years later in the late 1600s about the time of the Outlander series - Had not read any of the Outlander books and notice there was a movie - has anyone read or watched the Outlander movie?

Who knows where this will all lead but a good swashbuckler to read during dreary winter nights.

OH yes, link to the 40 classics - https://www.abebooks.com/books/features/50-classic-books.shtml
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« Reply #22710 on: January 09, 2022, 06:40:34 AM »
I've read 12 of the books listed on the page plus one I started but never finished.

Well, Gladius is now back in my hold list. I should get it back after the next reader finishes it. The book is longer than I thought. Meanwhile, Freedom by Sebastian Junger conveniently became available to fill the gap. Of course, I have to read this.  It begins here in Central PA, as the author and his dog spent a year traveling along the railroad lines in the Eastern US.

Barb, I read Lorna Doone when I was a teen and remember enjoying it very much. Thanks for the locational and time period info. Back then there wasn't an internet to instantly look up geographical and historical data, and I never thought of spending the time to look such info up back then.

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« Reply #22711 on: January 09, 2022, 02:34:24 PM »
Thanks for the list, Barb.  I love lists.

I've read 18 1/2 of the books, plus I bet I read all the individual stories in The Illustrated Man when they came out, though I don't remember now.  You couldn't pay me enough to make me read In Cold Blood or Lord of the Flies.

Frybabe, I had the same reaction you did to Lorna Doone.  I should see what I think of it now.

Anyone who liked The Mayor of Casterbridge should watch the 2003 TV movie with Ciaran Hinds, who does a superb job of making that troubled, unlikable character intelligible.  (Intelligible, not necessarily likable)

And I'd like to read Heidi again, now that I actually know something about Switzerland.

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« Reply #22712 on: January 09, 2022, 05:10:06 PM »
of all them Pat, Heidi was my very favorite - then I read Heidi Grows Up - still have my original Heidi

Two on the list I never heard of - Moonfleet that sounds like a winner, full of adventure and the other The Children of the New Forest - appears to have been written in mid nineteenth century about the seventeenth century Civil War in Britain - just read that Marryat, the author was an acquaintance of Charles Dickens - 
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« Reply #22713 on: January 10, 2022, 12:30:38 AM »
I never heard of those two either.  I knew of Marryat as an author of sea stories, though I haven't read any of them, but didn't know he wrote children's stories too.

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« Reply #22714 on: January 10, 2022, 06:35:33 AM »
If I go look, I am willing to bet that Moonfleet is in my extensive (and constantly getting bigger) TBR list. What I didn't know is that it was made into a movie and a TV series. It seems like something I would have wanted to see had I known about it.

Freedom is not a detailed or complex book, but the author does share a little history as he travels along the rails that follow the Juniata River. It reminds me that I have a volume of the history and scenery of the Juniata River that is hanging out, so far unread, on the bookshelf. This is a good opportunity to get it out and read it when I am done with Freedom.

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« Reply #22715 on: January 10, 2022, 11:42:04 AM »
well several sites say Moonfleet is available to watch on youtube but for the life of me all I can find are the previews to the movie - did find the 2013 series on Amazon - don't know any of the actors in the 2013 series but a great cast from the past in the 1955 movie that I cannot even find to watch without buying the film from Amazon.

From the previews I'm pretty sure I saw the movie - not on screen though - must have been when there was late night movies on TV but that opening scene while running credits with the waves looked all too familiar.

i did learn that evidently Oxford Classic books is 'the' list to be on - just over 300 books.

I found the second link to bring up an easier version of the list
https://oxfordworldsclassics.com/page/1175
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« Reply #22716 on: January 11, 2022, 06:55:06 PM »
Everyone must be having a busy day. Hope everyone is doing okay.

The highlight of my day was taking my sister for her Endoscopy appointment and then having one of our periodic lunches out. I wasn't fond of the idea of going across the river at what would ordinarily have been rush hour traffic, not to mention this is Farm Show week. however, traffic was very light. I am chalking that up to the frigid weather and the Omnicrom COVID surge.

For anyone interested, for the last few days I have found and posted a bunch of Roman history clips over in the Classics Forum.


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« Reply #22717 on: January 14, 2022, 12:45:15 PM »
Saturday, January 15, marks the 400th anniversary of Moliere’s birth, and celebrations will be held all around the globe.

Over a period of 54 years, American poet Richard Wilbur translated Moliere’s plays into English - Wilbur’s first translation, The Misanthrope, published in 1955, was followed by Tartuffe in 1963, with the last, Lovers’ Quarrels, appearing more than a half century later, in 2009.

Molière made his life in and around courts, however, his role was to become the first great comic poet of the emerging middle classes.

Molière's ten plays:
The Bungler | Lovers’ Quarrels | Sganarelle, or The Imaginary Cuckold | The School for Husbands | The School for Wives | Don Juan | The Misanthrope | Amphitryon | Tartuffe | The Learned Ladies
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« Reply #22718 on: January 15, 2022, 05:27:02 PM »
Know the name, that is about all, Barb. I am not even sure I've heard of his play, Don Juan. I am vaguely aware of the opera, Don Giovanni. Plays were never my thing, especially musicals.

Well, Freedom has surprised me. The farther I got into the book, the more the author got into examples from world history showing the constant fight for free as opposed to suppressive governments, a balance between which is hard to maintain for long. In between, the author continues his travelogue of his westward trek following the rail tracks and evading rail workers and cops. It is, after all, against the law to be on rail property, especially now with worries of sabotage. Did you know that Hitler had the Horseshoe Curve on his list for bombing during WWII? Anyway, the book while being a little less of a travelogue combined with a little US history than I thought, is just as if not more interesting.

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« Reply #22719 on: January 15, 2022, 11:21:45 PM »
If you are interested there is a good movie on Amazon Prime with great French actors that includes Molière's wit as two actors vie for the lead role in Misanthrope - Bicycling With Molière

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00M0HYUIY/ref=atv_wl_hom_c_unkc_1_6

Goodness there are so many films entitled Freedom but none based on the book you are reading frybabe. Interesting concept that the two most desired human quests are for freedom and community.
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