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CallieOK

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2680 on: September 24, 2010, 10:54:40 AM »


The Library



Our library cafe is open 24/7, the welcome mat is  always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.

We look forward to hearing from you, about you and the books you are enjoying (or not).


Let the book talk begin here!





Oh, Joan - please don't feel that you shouldn't respond.  I'm so sorry about your leg - and sympathize with your need for human contact.  You must miss your volunteer work and the sight-seeing/travel you've always done.

A dear friend, who is usually active enough to be called "hyper"  :) had a knee replacement earlier this summer.  Just as she got to the point of being able to drive, resume teaching water exercise, etc. - she tore a ligament in the knee with the replacement - had another surgery - and is now going through rehab/recovery all over again.

Different regional accents and expressions are fascinating to me.  I agree that MS doesn't sound like AL - or GA - or the Carolinas.
Of course, Texas is so big that East TX doesn't sound like West TX - and neither of them sound like the TX Panhandle.

 I don't know where Oklahoma fits into the mix!  We're too far south to be Midwestern and we're too far west to be Deep South - but we're not quite far enough west or south to be Southwestern.  Tis a puzzlement .  

I'm from southeastern OK, where most of the original settlers came from the Deep South - many from Appalachia.  So I have some of the east TX "twang" mixed in with some southern "drawl".  My parents were from KS and NE, so I don't naturally use as many Deep South expressions as my Mississippi born-and-bred husband and m-i-l did.

mrssherlock

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2681 on: September 24, 2010, 11:22:54 AM »
Joan:  My Mobile, Alabama, GM was called Mamaw as GF was Papaw. 
Jackie
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

mabel1015j

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2682 on: September 24, 2010, 12:47:38 PM »
Joan, you're right about "small" regions. My "Me-Maw" friends are from Georgia. What are the names for g-fathers? I am Nana and my husband is Poppop. He's the one whose ancestry is southern. I am Nana because my sister in law, who had the first grandchild in my husband's family was an Anglophile and her dgt called my MIL Nana, so my children followed the pattern, as have my g-children. One couple, who are friends, his family is from Ga and he is Poppop. Her family is from NC and she is mom mom. In my Scotch-Irish family everyone is grandpa and grandma........Jean 

Gumtree

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2683 on: September 24, 2010, 01:02:15 PM »
Roshanarose Yes, I'll follow Kerry too - I'd forgotten about the green pen - it's a while since he sported it.
Reading is an art and the reader an artist. Holbrook Jackson

Tomereader1

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2684 on: September 24, 2010, 01:13:01 PM »
For awhile I was Ma-Maw (short A in first syllable), then they kind of graduated to Granma.  Pa-Paw is Grandpa's nickname, again the short A.  I've heard some called Pe-Paw, which I found disgusting.  LOL
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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maryz

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2685 on: September 24, 2010, 01:40:48 PM »
We've always been Grandma and Grandpa (usually shortened collectively to G&G), because that's what we had the kids call John's parents.  My father died when I was a child, and my sister and I called our parents by their first names (nickname) - so the girls called my mother "Pink".  One set of "other" grandparents are called (by their choice) Mama Jean and Pop-Paw.  I've always liked what John's sister had her grands call her - Grammy.

I grew up in Houston, Texas (parents both from upper East Texas), but have lived almost all my adult life in Tennessee.
"When someone you love dies, you never quite get over it.  You just learn how to go on without them. But always keep them safely tucked in your heart."

Judy Laird

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2686 on: September 24, 2010, 01:55:41 PM »
If someone would come into this place and asked me if I wanted to move to the south I would be packed beofre the sun set.

maryz

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2687 on: September 24, 2010, 02:30:32 PM »
And, of course, we'd welcome you with open arms, Judy!!  Come on down!
"When someone you love dies, you never quite get over it.  You just learn how to go on without them. But always keep them safely tucked in your heart."

ALF43

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« Reply #2688 on: September 24, 2010, 04:01:37 PM »
OK this is the library section so I must ask, has anyone read Freedom: A Novel, by Jonathan Franzen?  I was told recently that it made the Oprah list.   :'( (That should have told me something) but I ordered it a month before "O" endorsed it.

I am now on page 397 and can not wait to get this story over with and put away.  It says that "Franzen has produced an indelible and deeply moving portrait of our time."  If that is so -- we are in deep KA-KA.  I should throw it in the trash can but I keep hoping that it will get better.
So-oo is there anybody else that has trudged through this blatently boring bromidic of a story?
Books are the bees which carry the quickening pollen from one to another mind.  ~James Russell Lowell

PatH

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« Reply #2689 on: September 24, 2010, 05:04:34 PM »
Hmmm--you're quite a salesman there.  No, it already didn't sound like my kind of book, but it sure is making a big splash.  If you were here, you would have 2 chances tomorrow to get your copy autographed.

JoanR

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2690 on: September 24, 2010, 05:52:55 PM »
I'm with you, ALF.  I tried to read his previous book, "The Corrections", that everyone raved about, but I got about halfway through and abandoned it.  I'm not so inclined to try this new one.  Besides I have an awful lot on my plate right now.  I'm finishing up "The Angel's Game", starting "The Left Hand of Darkness" ( love it already - everyone come join the discussion!!!!) and just received the Mankell books for the PBS discussion.  And that's not even looking at the huge pile of books TBR!

Persian

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2691 on: September 24, 2010, 06:03:23 PM »
PAT - I wondered if there were any future plans to explore books RE the cultures of the Middle East and/or Central Asia?  There has been so much in the news recently about the range of misunderstandings RE suggestions about building an Islamic mosque near ground zero in NYC and/or the threat of burning Islam's Holy Qu'ran.  Seems like I've been answering numerous questions about the cultures of those two world regions on almost a daily basis.  I'd like to learn what others have read which perhaps gave them a better understanding of non-Western cultures.  My husband (an Egyptian Muslim) and I talk about this topic all the time.
And my son (currently deployed in Iraq) has had an up-close and personal opportunity to talk about some of the cultural misunderstandings with Iraqi civilian contractors who work on his military post.

As you know, I've always been interested in multiple world regions.  My maternal grandmother was French; my grandfather was a Texan.  Paternal grandparents were 100% Irish.  I've always treasured that family background as a marvelous opportunity to learn about multiple cultures.   And although we relocated from the metropolitan Washington area several years ago to NC (about 20 miles NE of Charlotte), I still maintain my many years of dedication to Dallas.  This is a SERIOUS sports region of the USA, so I constantly run the risk of being kicked out of town when I enthusiastically call out GO COWBOYS!

Mahlia

JoanR

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2692 on: September 24, 2010, 07:52:43 PM »
I think someone was asking about a book "The Forgotten Garden" way back before all us grandma's  were sidetracked in names!  Could it be 'The Forgotten Garden' by Kate Morton???  I found that by checking the title in Google.  Lots of reviews.  Sounds like an interesting, but longish, read.  I'll see if my library has it - not that I have time for one more book on the tottering heap!

kiwilady

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2693 on: September 24, 2010, 08:27:11 PM »
I am positive that title rings a bell with me and that it was a good read.

Carolyn

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2694 on: September 25, 2010, 06:13:19 AM »
Now to decipher the scribble. The authors name is Kate.. last name.. anyones guess,, but I did look up the book on Amazon several months ago and found it by the Title..If I were more organized that day, would have written down the authors full name.. But alas,, I was just wandering around in Amazon..
MeMaw seems popular in some parts of Florida, but I am Nana.. But then ag ain I come from Delaware.. My Mother however was Grandmother. She just did not like the shortening of thename at all.
100 Million to a school district that already spends far too much and gets far too little. A complte change of how they do it would be appropriate. One of those. everyone loses their jobs unless they prove themselves sort of thing..
Stephanie and assorted corgi

bellemere

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2695 on: September 25, 2010, 09:59:27 AM »
Yes, Persian, we need a better understanding of the Middle East and Central Asia.  Years age I read "Reading Lolita in Tehran" and of course,
Three Cups of Tea" which was written by an Amnerican determined in his search tounderstand the Central Asia culture.  Also, back before the Iraq war I heard a retired professor at  Princeton, (Bernard Lewis) trace the history of the eploitation of the Middle East by the European and American powers and the resentment it caused in today's world.  "The Looming Tower" by George Packer , also from a Western viewpoint was neverthe less very enlightening in explaining the rise of the Muslim brotherhood.  And really years ago the wonderful novels of Naguib Mafouz about life inEgypt was a wonderful introduction to that country's literature .  is he still read in Egypt?  i was so shocked when he was attacked, and never really recovered. 
What do you thimk of Salman Rushdie and orhan Pamuk?

Babi

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« Reply #2696 on: September 25, 2010, 10:08:57 AM »
 Not at all, JOANG. It has always been a gray area whether Texas
is Southern or Western. Personally, I think it is more Western
but we did have a lot of Southerners moving westward who settled
here. CALLIE explains it very well.
 I feel much the same way about posting in Seniorlearn. It is
one of my main 'social contact' outlets. I love coming in here
to chat.
  I second MaryZ's welcome, JUDY. One word of advice, tho'. Come
well before summertime, so you can acclimate gradually. Taking
up residence from the North in a Texas summer could be a real
shocker.
  "Kheitoun"(?) came into my hands yesterday while checking in
books at the library. Out of curiousity I opened and read a bit.
I was surprised to find it so positive, and wound up checking it
out. There's a whole book ahead of it, but I think I'm going to
like it when I get to it.
  PERSIA, 'Talking Heads' is starting a month long project of
3-day conversation on topics in the news or articles of interest.
If you can locate a source that will give us a point of reference
for one of the topics you mentioned, by all means post it in
Talking Heads.  That goes for the rest of you gals/guys, too.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

ALF43

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2697 on: September 25, 2010, 12:10:52 PM »
Mahlia- hello, it has been a while since I've seen you here.  Regarding your question, what book would you suggest that most aptly would lead to a good discussion of Islam?  I am taking a 3 week  course in November about Islam, vs. Bhudism, vs. Hindu and Christianity.  Perhaps by then, I will be more familiar with the "attitudes and beliefs."  I think that this business with the building of the mosque near ground zero has brought out more extremeists on both sides . I wonder if they even know what the he** they're arguing against. 
Do you know of a book that would more be appropriate and interesting?

Thanks PatH- I thought that it was just me.  Why I thought I would like Freedom after Corrections is beyond me.  I guess I just figured I would give Franzen one more chance. ::)  You would think I would learn.
Books are the bees which carry the quickening pollen from one to another mind.  ~James Russell Lowell

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2698 on: September 25, 2010, 12:29:32 PM »
 Yes, It is Kate Morton.
My big problem with the book burning of any type and the building close to ground zero.. If you live in any of the countries that are screaming, you are not permitted to be a Christian with a few exceptions and heavens knows I have seen way too many times, the burning of the bible and the jailing of christians..
I just wish the all religions would simply back away from criticizing all over religions. Live and let live..
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Gumtree

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« Reply #2699 on: September 25, 2010, 12:36:49 PM »
 Amen to that Steph.

Thanks for checking out the author - I'll check my library for a copy - sounds just what I'm in the mood for.
Reading is an art and the reader an artist. Holbrook Jackson

MaryPage

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« Reply #2700 on: September 25, 2010, 01:37:19 PM »
Khalid Hosseini's books about Afghanistan, Greg Mortenson's books about Pakistan and Afghanistan, my favorite CARAVANS by James Michener about Afghanistan, Eknath Easwaran's "Nonviolent Soldier of Islam", "A Middle East Mosaic" by Bernard Lewis,  "The Lion's Grave" by Jon Lee Anderson, "Three Women of Herat" by Veronica Doubleday, "An Unexpected Light" by Jason Elliot, "The Warlord's Son" by Dan Fesperman;  these are just some of the books on the Central Asia - Middle East shelves in my personal library.  Some I have read, some I have never gotten around to.  There are many others there, but these make for a good start.

Lot's of good stuff being posted in here.  Hugs to you all.

Oh, and back BEFORE 9/11 (some of the books listed above were earlier, also) came TERROR in the MIND OF GOD, a very frank book connecting lots of dots.  Might offend some who think only "they" are to blame and "we" are purer than the driven snow.  You are too old to read this book if you will suffer a heart attack at even a hint that we Americans do not all wear halos;  but a good read for those willing to share the blame and widen their range of thought.

Did you know there were TWO mosques IN the World Trade Center towers?  And that a lot of Muslims who prayed there lost their lives on 9/11?  And the Islamic Center in the planning is two full city blocks away from Ground Zero?  And there were mosques in New York City in the early eighteenth century?  And there are over 600,000 Muslims in New York?

Persian

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2701 on: September 25, 2010, 02:54:21 PM »
MARYPAGE - some REALLY good recommendations for reading!  I'll add a few more from my shelves, which range from texts I've used in my classes to ones I've read for my own info and pleasure.  SEE BELOW.  Like your excellent suggested titles, they may help also to better understand the culture, people and their thinking. 

Wish your last paragraph could appear in ALL the major newspapers in the USA and on the news broadcasts, since there is so very much misunderstanding about the loss of life on 9/11 and the full info about what those who suggested that an education and multicultural worship center be built nearby fully had in mind when the idea was presented.

Mahlia
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ISLAM:  An Introduction for Christians  edited by Paul Varo Martinson

MUHAMMAD:  A Biography of the Prophet by Karen Armstrong (Bestselling Author of A History of God)

WOMEN OF THE FERTILE CRESCENT:  Modern Poetry by Arab Women Edited by Kamal Boullaa

WOMEN FOR AFGHAN WOMEN:  Shattering Myths and Claiming the Future Edited by Sunita Mehta  NOTE:  Katha Pollitt, Nation columnist and author of Subject to Debate:  Sense and Dissents on Women, Politics and Culture writes of this book:  “Throw away clichéd ideas of Afghan women as passive, silent victims cowering under their burqas.  The voices collected in this book – energetic, passionate, knowledgeable and wise – are the ones the world needs to hear if Afghanistan is to achieve real peace and solve its many problems.

UNDERSTANDING ARABS:  A Guide for Westerners by Margaret K. Nydell

THE AMERICAN APPROACH TO THE ARAB WORLD by John S. Badeau

THE MUSLIM MIND with a foreword by Dr. Muhammad Abdul Halim Mahmud (Shaikh at al Azhar)

WOMEN AND THE FAMILY IN THE MIDDLE EAST:  New Voices of Change, edited by Elizabeth Warnock Fernea

MIDDLE EASTERN MUSLIM WOMEN SPEAK by Elizabeth Warnock Fernea and Basima QattanBezirgan

THE ARAB WORLD TODAY (1991 edition) by William R. Polk

GOD HAS NINETY-NINE NAMES:  Reporting from a Militant Middle East by Judith Miller

THE JEWS OF ARAB LANDS:  A History and Source Book by Norman A. Stillman

THE MANTLE OF THE PROPHET:  Religion and Politics in Modern Iran (1986 edition) by Roy Mottahedeh.  NOTE:  Although this text is more than 20 years old, it is helpful in understanding the history and thinking of the people of the region.

ISLAM AND ARABS IN EARLY AMERICAN THOUGHT:  The Roots of Orientalism in America by Fuad Sha’ban

THIS SIDE OF PEACE:  A Personal Account by Hanan Ashrawi (a long-time spokesperson for the Palestinians in the Occupied Terrorities)

THE ARABISTS:  The Romance of an American Elite by Robert D. Kaplan NOTE:  This book focuses on “. . . the untold story of an inbred, gifted, and powerful elite of families and friends who dominated America’s relations with the Middle East for over a century.”

EGYPT’S ROAD TO JERUSALEM :  a Diplomat’s Story of the Struggle for Peace in the Middle East by Boutrous Boutrous-Ghali (former Egyptian Minister of State for Foreign Affairs during Anwar Sadat’s Presidency.

IN SEARCH OF IDENTITY by Anwar El-Sadat (former President of Egypt)

A WOMAN OF EGYPT by Jehan Sadat (wife of the late President Anwar El-Sadat

MY FATHER AND I bY Camelia Sadat (daughter of the late President Anwar El-Sadat

WOMEN IN THE MUSLIM WORLD, edited  by Lois Beck and Nikki Keddie






bellemere

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2702 on: September 25, 2010, 03:57:00 PM »
Maty  Page, could you give me the authoritative source for the two mosques in theWorld Trade center?   i would love to be able to cite that.
In Michener's book, Iberia, about Spain, he described the role of Cordoba in the Mulim Spanish world.  it was a center of scholarship of all kinds, including philosophy and medicine.  I think the NY mosque could echo that mission, if it is given a chance.

MaryPage

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« Reply #2703 on: September 25, 2010, 04:55:17 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/nyregion/14mosque.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38760800/

http://www.businessinsider.com/there-already-was-a-ground-zero-mosque-2010-9

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/09/10/the-real-ground-zero-mosque-was-on-the-17th-floor-of-world-trade-centers-south-tower/

Here are some, but I must tell you that I have read this story over and over and over again in many other places and heard it on the national network news broadcasts and on MSNBC and CNN and some other TV places;  perhaps on PBS.  Probably on PBS.

The same people are denying it is true that deny our President was born to an American citizen in one of our 50 states!  What can I tell you?

kiwilady

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« Reply #2704 on: September 25, 2010, 07:23:54 PM »
You cannot even see Ground zero from the site of the proposed Recreation centre and Mosque!

I saw an interview this morning with Blumberg sp? who confirmed this. He is not against the building.

I don't know how so many can be so ignorant and are even questioning Obamas religious beliefs. It truly beggers belief!

JoanK

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« Reply #2705 on: September 25, 2010, 07:59:07 PM »
MAHLIA: so glad you are posting again. Can you think of one of these books that might be appropriate for a SN discussion? And would youlike to come into the "Zeitoun" discussion and mention some of these books? (Have you read Zeitoun, the experiences of a Muslim family during Hurricane Katrina?)

http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1585.240

PatH

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« Reply #2706 on: September 25, 2010, 09:26:08 PM »
Closer to Ground Zero than the Mosque site are strip joints, a porn shop, a betting shop, bars, and a whole bunch of mundane stuff.  It's hardly sacred ground.

FlaJean

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2707 on: September 25, 2010, 11:15:10 PM »
My husband and I both just read Zeitoun.  A must read IMO.

PatH

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« Reply #2708 on: September 25, 2010, 11:43:51 PM »
FlaJean, are you aware that we've been having an in-depth discussion of Zeitoun here?

http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=1585.0

(That takes you to the first page--you might want to skip to the last or next to last page.)

Why not come in and join us?  You won't be the only latecomer, Mahlia just joined us too.  We're just about to start on the last segment, so you'll get in on a lot of good stuff about what went wrong, how could it have been prevented, etc, and we'd love to have your take on it.

roshanarose

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« Reply #2709 on: September 26, 2010, 12:26:08 AM »
Persian - Khuda Hafiz for that wonderful line up of books.  I have GOD HAS NINETY-NINE NAMES:  Reporting from a Militant Middle East by Judith Miller waiting to be read.  I hated "The Kite Runner" for varied and lengthy reasons.  When read from a Hazara point of view, it is one long, hurtful, damaging, patronising insult.  imho Hossein fed on their tragedy to promote his (Pashtun) view of the world, just so patronising.  I won't get started, but....

The other books you have recommended are being added to my TBR.  Hope I live long enough to read them all.  An excellent site to investigate regarding Afghan women is RAWA.  A search will help.  Also if you are interested do a search for "Hazaras".  A whole new view of Afghanistan will open before your eyes.

Thanks also to MaryPage for your recommendation.  I agree that your last paragraph should be published to the masses.  When people start to knock Muslims I always ask.  "Have you ever met  and talked to a Muslim?".  Not one person I have asked has.  So much ignorance in the world.
How can you prove whether at this moment we are sleeping, and all our thoughts are a dream; or whether we are awake, and talking to one another in the waking state?  - Plato

kiwilady

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« Reply #2710 on: September 26, 2010, 12:53:08 AM »
I picked up my copy of "Three cups of Tea" from the library today. It was nice too because I managed to snatch a word with my librarian daughter. She did get a childrens librarian job. However it was not the one she wanted. She still has to work Sundays. She will do four days a week in a semi rural library and one day as Childrens librarian at the Central library. She has been relieving with the kids at the library where she will be working and enjoys it. Its a really mixed socio economic area. You have the wealthy up in the rainforest who use the library and then the low income people down on the flats. She loves working with the young mothers and their babies in the "Wriggle and Rhyme hour" as well as "Storytime" with the under fives. It will be nice for me as there is a cafe right next door and every now and again I can drive out there and meet her for lunch. Its school holidays at the moment and I have the kids for part of the time so we will probably go out and meet her for lunch next week. They love meeting their mum at her work.

Carolyn

Steph

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« Reply #2711 on: September 26, 2010, 05:51:59 AM »
I agree with all of you and knew that Muslim as well as Christians, jews, agnostics, etc all died in the September 11th tragedy and heavens knows the Christians and Americans have sinned against a lot of cultures over the years.. However my point on the building is that when you have caused that sort of stir,, possibly you could look at it differently. One of the guiding lights in this building is quite an arrogant man who has a lot to say about how good he is and very little to say about his past life.
As a quaker, I see both sides of this arguement. There are ignorant people in each and every culture. Just now the US is suffering from some sort of frozen in place hatred from both the liberal and conservative wings of each political party.
As for the stupidity of Obama not being born in the US.. It is amazing to me what people want to believe.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Persian

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« Reply #2712 on: September 26, 2010, 09:29:04 AM »
CAROLYN - I'm sure you'll enjoy reading Three Cups of Tea.  It's a great learning opportunity and gives clear insight into the customs and culture of that part of the world.

What fun for you and the Grands to be able to join your daughter for lunch.  I recall a friend in Maryland who worked with the youngsters in one of our local libraries.  She ALWAYS said that although it sometimes got a bit hectic, she would not change assignments with any of her colleagues in other departments.  My own experience with libraries began when I was 4 years old.  My Mom was a teacher in a nearby school and volunteered during the lunch hour to attend the desk while the staff were at lunch.  Then someone relieved her so she could go to lunch.  Our home was only two blocks from the school, so occasionally my Gram and I walked to the school, took sandwiches for my Mom and sat with her in a little park on the campus and joined in lunch.  Great fun!

STEPH - you've really made a point in noting that there is HUGE responsibility on all sides of the encounter RE whether to build a mosque in downtown NYC.  And the politics of one side (as well as the financial investment) are major factors as well.  Certainly the points which have been aired about the locale are valid in some ways, but there is always "another side" to any topic.  I look at this topic as another learning opportunity - granted one that is based on great terror and sadness at the horror of events at Ground Zero - and pray that the parties involved can reach an equitable decision about moving forward or not.

ROSHANAROSE - Don't be overwhelmed by the long list of books I posted.  Some were for my classes, others just as learning opportunities for me, and a few (like the ones RE Afghans) as background for me when I volunteered with some Afghan womens' groups in Maryland and Washington DC years ago.  Although I am more familiar with Persian culture than that found in Afghanistan, I did get to know cousins of current Pres.  Kharzai, so it helped me to add to my knowledge of the various tribal and clan groups in their home country.

I had to smile at your last paragraph and recalled that one of our local neighbors here in NC was surprised when she learned my husband was an Egyptian.  She was somewhat confused and told me with a BIG "Bless your heart" smile that she thought he was Hispanic.  I replied that as a native Californian, I've known numerous Hispanics throughout my life, but NEVER one named Mohamed.

Indeed, there is massive ignorance in the world, but I look at that as numerous lifetime opportunities for learning and sharing my knowledge of world regions and the local folks.  Sometimes I'm even surprised when, as was the case years ago when I taught at a university in China, an elderly gentleman approached me on the village street and asked in NYC accented English "how are the Giants doing?"  Turns out he'd gone to college in NY!  I lived in Maryland at the time and had NOT kept up with the NY teams, but I replied with a big smile "they're doing great!"

Mahlia

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2713 on: September 26, 2010, 12:11:02 PM »
Carolyn, I absolutely LOVE the name of the "Wiggle and Rhyme Hour"!  Beautiful!
"When someone you love dies, you never quite get over it.  You just learn how to go on without them. But always keep them safely tucked in your heart."

kiwilady

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« Reply #2714 on: September 26, 2010, 04:56:15 PM »
Wiggle and Rhyme is a nationwide program to teach mothers how to interact with their babies and foster their development using exercises that the mother does with the baby, music and baby poetry. Its very useful for the low socio economic groups but mothers from all groups seem to enjoy it. Nicky is very good with children and made a great job with her own kids encouraging their creativity and imagination and also an appreciation of music with a love of books. She will really do a wonderful job I am sure.

Carolyn

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2715 on: September 27, 2010, 06:05:29 AM »
From volunteering in many libraries over many years.. The problem always is attracting the lower socio-economic groups.. My current library closes at 7 four days a week, at noon Friday and Saturday and is not open at all on Sunday. Thereby cutting off access to the people who most need it.. Sad, but true.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Babi

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2716 on: September 27, 2010, 09:26:25 AM »
  Thanks for that information, MARYPAGE. I certainly had not know there were
two mosques in the Towers and Muslims lost their lives there. And I think a
person would have to be willfully blind to think that Americans or Christians
had never been guilty of the same kind of prejudice and violence.
 In Kheitoun I found a bit that described how different Muslims could be
from one another, and realized that the word Christians could be substituted
for 'Muslim', and the description would still be perfectly accurate.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

marjifay

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2717 on: September 27, 2010, 10:05:15 AM »
What is "Kheitoun," Babi?
"Without books, history is silent, literature dumb, science crippled, thought and speculation at a standstill."  Barbara Tuchman

Persian

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2718 on: September 27, 2010, 10:12:57 AM »
STEPH - We lived in Montgomery County, Maryland for many years and interacted regularly with the numerous Libraries there.  Several of them were very clever in devising ways to attract folks who would not ordinarily seek a local library or encourage their children and teenagers to explore the world through the library shelves and special programs devoted to specific learning opportunities.  Friends at the Library of Congress in Washington also reached out to their neighborhoods after they completed their professional duties during the week and often hosted small gatherings at schools, the Y or other local organizations.  My husband has been visiting friends in Maryland during the past week and one of the first places he headed was to our former neighborhood library.  He laughingly reported it was a crowded as always and tons of kids were roaming around carrying stacks of books.

I also recall that in a County (like our former one in Maryland), where there were numerous folks from various countries, who were non-English speakers, some of the business establishments also worked to bring a love of books to these folks by hosting small reading groups on the premises of their businesses.  Several of the Jewish synagogues and Islamic mosques in the area also held multicultural programs and reached out to fellow groups, as well as folks quite unlike themselves to bring about a clearer understanding.  And, of course, to take advantage of a range of English language classes hosted by their facilities.  Many of the Christian churches also participated and when the nearby University of Maryland (my home institution for 25 years) welcomed Fulbright Scholars or international students, the local groups ALWAYS made sure the new folks were aware of how welcome they were to attend religious services or community programs of a non-religious nature.  Sometimes IT TAKES A VILLAGE, but often on a smaller scale there are some wonderful opportunities awaiting.

Perhaps if your Library closes early, nearby businesses might step forward and host reading events or other public programs designed for specific age groups or adults who simply want to learn.  I remember sitting on the floor of a real estate office in Maryland, surrounded by folks from Vietnam, Nigeria and Ethiopia - all of whom wanted to learn basic English.  They had their kids with them so it was a large group, but we had many good laughs together as they repeated basic English words after me.

HI BABI - don't feel too bad, since according to several news reports I've watched clearly showed that numerous folks did NOT realize that Muslims also lost their lives on 9-11.  Chaps sent a prayer request two days ago from Iraq asking for blessings for his soldiers who were in a firefight at Fallujah (Iraq) AND for the civilian Iraqi Muslim contractors who work on post with the US military.  He reaches out in creative ways whenever he can - like during the recent month-long celebration of the Islamic Holy month of Ramadan - while keeping a keen eye on the needs of his military men and women.

Indeed, Muslims around the world are enormously different in their cultural lives.  Those from the Middle East are not always similar to their religious brethren in East Asia (especially the Phillipines).  Moderate Muslims (from many world regions) are NOT as rigid in their customs as those raised in the ultra-orthodox environment of Saudi Arabia.  And, of course, personality and family customs have an enormous impact on one's behavioral outreach to others.

In comparing the centuries of warfare world-wide, I remember reading about how horrible some of the Christian battles were to those of "other" beliefs.  "Off with their heads," is NOT just a contemporary slang term, but one of sad reality in a region as close to us as Mexico.
Hard to believe!

CAROLYN - Wiggle and Rhyme is such a terrific title.  I wonder if the Head of our local Library system is aware of it.  She sends me info regularly about their Friends of the Library Program, so I'm going to mention it to her.

Mahlia


MaryPage

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Re: The Library
« Reply #2719 on: September 27, 2010, 10:39:52 AM »
Sixty Minutes last night had an amazing interview with the young Brooklyn born American lad who purchased the old Burlington Coat Factory building for an Islamic Center.  He had an American Roman Catholic mother and a father of Middle Eastern descent.  As a younger person, he joined the Jewish Community Center in New York City.  He is married to a Christian and has children.  The Mosque section of the tall building there is already in operation.  It is already being used as a Mosque.  The rest of the building will be just like the Jewish Community Center he used to belong to:  swimming, fitness, and many other activities.  The reporter was bug-eyed, and the young man (young to me, but then, who isn't!) laughed and said: "This is New York!"

He took the reporter down the block (you could not see a hint of Ground Zero) for over half a block and then around the corner and then, as you went down that block, you could begin to see where the Twin Towers used to be.  Turns out they are not 2 blocks away, but 2½ long city blocks away.