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mabel1015j

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Re: The Library
« Reply #3880 on: January 25, 2011, 11:49:26 AM »

The Library



Our library cafe is open 24/7, the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.

We look forward to hearing from you, about you and the books you are enjoying (or not).


Let the book talk begin here!



The Margaret Brent mini-mini bio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Brent

Isn't her story remarkable? Notice her birth and death dates are different here than even the supposition i made from the out of print book i orginally alluded to.......jean

bellemere

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« Reply #3881 on: January 25, 2011, 11:53:32 AM »
Joan P, there is an Acela train from D.C. to
Boston - if the tracks are not covered with snow! 
Where did you live and teach in Cambridge? 
Alas, the summer meeting of the Pym Society is in England, at St. Hilda's College (Barbara's alma mater) of Oxford.

mabel1015j

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« Reply #3882 on: January 25, 2011, 11:58:53 AM »
One last interesting quote abt Margaret Brent

"Had she been born a queen she would have been as brilliant and daring as Elizabeth; had she been born a man she would have been a Cromwell in her courage andv audacity." — John L. Thomas........from Dames and Dgts of Colonial Days, 1900.

MaryPage

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« Reply #3883 on: January 25, 2011, 12:59:19 PM »
I remember back in the late forties there were 2 female dormitories at the University of Maryland.  One was called "Aggie A," and I cannot for the life of me remember the proper name;  while the other was "Maggie B," and I do remember well the proper name was Margaret Brent!  Margaret Brent Hall.

That makes the entirety of my contribution to the discussion of Margaret Brent, but I thought you might be amused.

And I rather expect those dorms might have long been torn down.  Maybe not.  Anyone know?

mabel1015j

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« Reply #3884 on: January 25, 2011, 01:17:38 PM »
I love that MaryPage, i hope they have not been torn down.....jean

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« Reply #3885 on: January 25, 2011, 01:28:23 PM »
Pedln, IMO the movie African Queen is better than the book, though the book has some good descriptions of seamanship if that happens to appeal (it does to me).

MaryPage

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« Reply #3886 on: January 25, 2011, 01:59:53 PM »
http://www.umd.edu/CampusMaps/bld_detail.cfm?bld_code=STM

Apparently not torn down, just changed the name.  Here is what used to be affectionately nicknamed:  "Maggie B!"

If you cannot get in there by clicking on the above, then do a google seach of Margaret Brent Hall The University of Maryland.  That is how I found it.

serenesheila

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« Reply #3887 on: January 26, 2011, 01:14:22 AM »
Thanks, BABI, for the clarification about Conrad Richter's books.  I am looking forward to reading them. 

At this point I am reading the book for February's discussion.  "Empire of the Summer Moon".  It is an interesting, and easy read.  It is also very descriptive of the hardships of women, and the torture of captives.

In addition, I am reading a fascinating, non fiction book, about women's sufferage.  It is called:  "The Feminist Promise:  1792 to the Presant", by Christine Stansell.  I never realized that women's sufferage began in France, at the time of their revolution.  During my high school, and college studies, the only three women's stories I heard were Betsy Ross, Jane Adams, and Elizabeth Cady.  That is pathetic.

Now, I will be adding:  "God is an Englishman:, by R. Delderfield.  I am really looking forward to what enjoyment that will hold for me.  Thanks to all who have reccomended him.

BELLA, thanks to you, too, for the info about the book called:  "The Nine".  I bought the book, then gave it to my ex sil, for Christmas.  He is an attorney.  Guess I will check it out on my Kindle.  I watched an interview with Judge Steven Bryer recently.  I have a lot of respect for him.


Sheila

serenesheila

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« Reply #3888 on: January 26, 2011, 02:33:04 AM »
Well, I just tried to order "Tontine" on Kindle.  It is not available there.  So, I looked it up at Amazon.  There are a number of used books available.  I was not able to read a descrition of the book, however.  Would someone please give me a brief description?  Thanks!

Sheila

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Re: The Library
« Reply #3889 on: January 26, 2011, 02:39:26 AM »
Sheila I remember the Tontine as being two thick books written by Costain - here is a page of them from Amazon and maybe that will  help you with the information you need to place an order on you Kindle

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Tontine+constain&x=11&y=20
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MaryPage

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« Reply #3890 on: January 26, 2011, 08:20:34 AM »
First let me say that Conrad Richter's 3 books about the very first settlers going into Ohio, The Trees, The Fields, The Town, can be bought in 3 books or altogether in one volume called The Awakening Land.  Loved the books!  (detested the series.)

A tontine is a single big-money bet that x number of people put into and then the winner takes all.  It works according to the particular agreement.  In this case, x number put money up to own shares in something that paid them annuity profits.  As each died off, the others shared the dead person's share.  I.E.  it could not be inherited by the person's family;  only by the members of the tontine.  In short, only the LAST person still breathing wins the whole thing.

Thus Costain wrote a book about one, and then took us through each person's lifetime until we finally find out who was, in fact, the last.  I loved the book.  He was a wonderful writer and the book really gripped my attention.  I don't recall it being 2 books, perhaps it was,  and I am pretty sure I ordered it through the BOOK OF THE MONTH CLUB.  Remember them?

bellemere

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« Reply #3891 on: January 26, 2011, 11:56:23 AM »
I heard recently that a religious order of nuns uses the tontine method to manage their jointly held property.  As the order is steadily diminishing, the property will go to the last surviving member of the order, not to her family.  Realistically they have been divesting themselves of a lot of things, such as some land theyowned down by the river, donating it to the town for a nature preserve.  I t seems to be their intention to divest the order of just about everyhthing. 

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« Reply #3892 on: January 27, 2011, 12:04:40 AM »
The Tontine -- funny how you hear words and never really pay any attention to what they mean. So that's an inheritance practice that's been in existence for years. In some ways it reminds me of the "banking" set-up in the small Mayan village in Guatemala where my daughter lived for two years.  A group of men, maybe 8 or 10 would pledge so much money a month, and then basically take turns using the funds for their needs.  So one man might get $50 for a floor for his house, then he would continue to pay in for the next person who might need a bed. A lot of trust involved there.

I hope this long URL works -- here's the skinny on checking out eBooks from the library.

Library eBooks


serenesheila

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« Reply #3893 on: January 27, 2011, 04:35:07 AM »
Thanks for all of the information about "Tontine".  I will go ahead and order a used one.

Sheila

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« Reply #3894 on: January 27, 2011, 06:18:40 AM »
Costain wrote some great stuff.. The Tontine was long, but held my interest all the way through. Never knew that people actually did this though.
Our big book sale is the last
Saturday in February, so we are gearing up with publicity.. posters and plans.. I lost, because I still think it should be two days, but we cannot get the building that long. We are attached to the community college, so cannot use our space there. Such a shame..The college rules the roost and so many things cannot be accomplished.
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Babi

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« Reply #3895 on: January 27, 2011, 09:13:01 AM »
 Thanks for the link to Margaret Brent, ELLA.  Finding that she was Catholic, nobility, and a cousin explains a good deal! I also see why she chose not to marry. "She and her sister, who as unmarried women were legally able to own and manage property, took up land and established ahousehold independent of their brothers. "

 Interesting that the quote re. Margaret Brent likened her to Cromwell, JEAN. They were polar opposites in religion.

 PEDLN, that fund set up by the Mayan village is a great idea. Practical and useful, providing a resource they would not otherwise have. That's an idea that ought to work in many small communities.
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MaryPage

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« Reply #3896 on: January 27, 2011, 09:33:17 AM »
The confident young women we have throughout this country today seem blissfully unaware of the rights their foremothers lacked.  It is true that up until well into the 20th century a married woman could not own property or money.  If her husband was dirt poor and a spendthrift or drunk, to boot, no matter.  If she inherited real estate and money, it was all HIS to own and do with as he wished! 

But an unmarried woman could inherit and own real estate and money on her own. 

Back when only white male property owners could vote, white women property owners could not.  Even after all men could vote, no woman could.  Even after black men became 1 full man each, instead of three-fifths of a man the way our constitution first called for, and they got the vote, property-owning women could not vote.

I do not know whether the law has changed or not, but the last I heard there was still a law that a child born outside of Great Britain to a female citizen of Great Britain cannot claim citizenship in Great Britain through that mother.  Citizenship only passes through the father!  I know this was still true in 1978, but have no idea whether or not it has been changed.

rosemarykaye

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« Reply #3897 on: January 27, 2011, 12:44:33 PM »
Steph - I have looked up "What we eat" on Amazon, but nothing with that exact title seems to come up - is there more of it?  Who is the author?

I have a book I like, "UK At Home" by Rick Smolan and Jennifer Erwitt.  It has lots of photos of people's very different versions of "home" - from tents and caravans to Dunvegan Castle on the Isle of Skye.  There is a little bit about the people who live in the various places - some, like the family of the 30th Chief of the Clan MacLeod, have lived in the same place for 800 years, others are first or second generation immigrants; some are Orthodox Jews, some are Rastafarians - it's fascinating.

Rosemary

EvelynMC

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« Reply #3898 on: January 27, 2011, 05:08:49 PM »
I received the two volume "Tontine" as Christmas gift many years ago.  Recently, I donated it to the library book sale.  Unfortunate, because otherwise I could have sent it to you, Sheila.

I guess I'm in the minority, but the book never held my interest.

I just loved Delderfield and enjoyed all his books, but "God is an Englishmen" was one of my very favorites.

Evelyn

Steph

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« Reply #3899 on: January 28, 2011, 06:13:34 AM »
What I eat is the proper title of the book.. Where I live sounds neat as well. I am always curious about how other people eat, shop,live.. and this one really is fun.. A tiny little south american woman is on the back cover. She is wearing a fedora, has a wonderful elvin face.. 8 children, walks everywhere.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Babi

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« Reply #3900 on: January 28, 2011, 08:51:55 AM »
Quote
"Citizenship only passes through the father!"

 Hebrew law had a much more realistic stance on this, MARYPAGE.
Judaic citizenship passed through the mother. They very sensibly
held that while paternity could be in doubt, there was no
question as to the identity of the mother.     ;)
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CubFan

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« Reply #3901 on: January 28, 2011, 02:22:11 PM »
from genealogy:

Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe.

Mary
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bellemere

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« Reply #3902 on: January 28, 2011, 02:47:27 PM »
"Greenleaves" arrived with manyinteresting articles by members of the Barbara Pym society.  A short article on the Tea at Church of the Advent in November contained the following:
" About 16 people attended, including new members from Western Mass. (yours truly) and from New York State, who have not yet attended an annual conference.  and A VISITOR WHO LEARNED ABOUT US FROM AN ONLINE BOOK CLUB. "
It also wrote up a spring event that I hope will be repeated , a Garden Fete.  Yes! a Garden Fete! How Pymmy!  In Cambridge at Tom Sopko's house and the garden of a tolerant neighbor. Quite a few people wore smart hats, including one from Paris, even tho the dress code was casual.  I have a hat, if not smart, of at least average intelligence and perhaps if they have the fete again I can wear it with my jeans! 
I think I am going to attend the conference.  See how the wallet is doing first.
Also, my Nook has arrived, a generous gift from SIL; today I dowloaded the Friday Freebie, The Apothecary's Daugjhter, which starts off sort of like a bodice-ripper romance.
  There is a steep learning curve with this Nook, which I am climbinb slowly and steadily.   




Frybabe

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« Reply #3903 on: January 28, 2011, 05:31:32 PM »
We haven't heard from Mahlia for a while. With all that is going on in Egypt right now, I was wondering how her husband is doing. Even if he is here at the moment, he must be concerned about his students. If he is there, then I expect that Mahlia is a bit anxious.

bellemere

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« Reply #3904 on: January 28, 2011, 10:19:57 PM »
I am astounded at the outpouring of rage in Cairo.  Where will it end?  That president should find a graceful way  to exit into asylum someplace. NOT HERE please.
As the Peron  song in Evita went: All exiles are distinguished;more important, they're not dead.

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« Reply #3905 on: January 28, 2011, 10:23:49 PM »
looks like access to the internet makes a deeper impression that changes what people will accept then bullets or political speeches.
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FlaJean

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« Reply #3906 on: January 28, 2011, 10:24:53 PM »
Frybabe, Mahlia is recovering from a hernia operation.  She posted several days ago in Healthy Living in the Seniors and Friends site.  If I happen to see another post by her I'll tell her you miss her.  However, I don't believe her husband is in Egypt at this time.

FlaJean

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« Reply #3907 on: January 28, 2011, 11:02:26 PM »
Frybabe, Just saw a post from Mahlia and let her know that you were asking about her.

Frybabe

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« Reply #3908 on: January 29, 2011, 12:33:20 AM »
Thanks, Jean.

Steph

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« Reply #3909 on: January 29, 2011, 06:08:08 AM »
The scary part of Egypt is two fold..First that they totally cut off the internet... and the second.. I suspect that the Muslims there will use this to change a fairly free country. And third. and this I remember.. That Egypt runs on tourists and they certainly will not be getting any for a while now.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Babi

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« Reply #3910 on: January 29, 2011, 09:26:25 AM »
 I've been in touch with Mahlia, FRYBABE. Mohamed is here in the
U.S., and the last time he talked with his brother the family was
all right. Apparently communications have now been broken off, so
he and Mahlia are keeping the family covered in prayer. Things are
apparently getting pretty nasty on the streets in Cairo. Fortunately,
his father and some of his sisters do not live in the city.
  From what Mahlia tells me, BELLEMERE, not only is Mubarak refusing
to step down, he has been grooming a son to 'inherit' his office as
though he were a pharaoh. No wonder the people are angry.
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« Reply #3911 on: January 29, 2011, 12:46:48 PM »
Steph, have you watched any of the Hamish programs?  I'm going to put them in my Netflix queue to watch again.
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FlaJean

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« Reply #3912 on: January 29, 2011, 12:53:36 PM »
Maryz, do you order your DVDs from Netflix thru the mail or stream them on something like Tivo?  We don't watch enough TV to pay for Tivo but thinking about ordering thru the mail.  I've read some of the "Hamish" books and enjoyed them.

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« Reply #3913 on: January 29, 2011, 02:21:31 PM »
FlaJean, we get them on DVD in the mail.  I've heard that Netflix is trying to get to all or mostly downloading.  They do that now, for a lower cost than on DVD.  If we decide to do that, there's a device to hook up to the TV to receive the content appropriately (Roku?).  Right now, we have the connection for pictures from my laptop to the TV, but not the sound.  So that's not acceptable to us right now.  We may be getting the device before too much longer.  
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« Reply #3914 on: January 29, 2011, 03:13:20 PM »
Thanks for the update, Babi. I got the impression from a newscast yesterday that the riots are not just in Cairo, but in other cities as well. The only news footage I saw, though, was in Cairo.

rosemarykaye

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« Reply #3915 on: January 29, 2011, 04:29:59 PM »
Bellemere - I wrote a message to you this morning and the computer kindly deleted it - but I do hope you manage to get to the Pym conference, I am sure it will be great fun.

Your mention of garden parties (I loved the intelligent hat  :)) reminded me of those I went to as a child.  They seemed to happen often in suburban London in those days, and always consisted of lots of trestle tables covered with crepe paper, on which were displayed cakes, tombola prizes, "guess the number of sweets in the jar", "guess the name of the Teddy bear", etc.  There were always refreshments - tea and cakes - and sometimes things like donkey rides.  I have never seen a fete up here in Aberdeenshire, and I am not sure whether that is the fault of the weather, or if they no longer happen anywhere - I have asked my mother to enlighten us.  They used to be the summer equivalent of the jumble sale, and I know my mother says that the latter have really fallen by the wayside since the advent of the ghastly car boot sales and of ebay.

When my children were little and we lived out in the country we had regular jumble sales - they were very well attended, and always involved a full "high tea" - people paid a one off entry fee, and many of the old country wifies would install themselves in the  refreshment room for the duration, chomping their way through endless plates of sandwiches, pancakes, scones, etc., and being quite picky about what they liked and didn't.  This was a real Scottish tradition, as at the many sales I had attended in my London childhood the refreshments would only have consisted of tea and biscuits, maybe a cake, but definitely nothing savoury.  In Aberdeenshire we also had regular fundraising whist drives, when people I had never seen before would assemble for the evening.  There was always a break for tea in the middle, and out of their bags would come silver tea pots, tea sets, china cake stands - it really was quite amazing.  They would all queue up for the hot water from the urn, and would then return to their tables, set (by them) with plates, saucers, etc.  There would also always be a raffle to which everyone present contributed a prize, which could be anything from a bottle of whisky to 6 eggs or a bar of soap wrapped in brown paper.  It was such an eye-opener for me.  Great memories.

I hope you have a great time if you get to the conference; I am hoping that 2012 will be the year when I finally make it.  I am not sure if my friend Susan Bramson will be going this year - I will ask her, she doesn't live far away.

Rosemary

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« Reply #3916 on: January 29, 2011, 07:05:30 PM »
Maryz, I might look into the DVDs by mail.  My son and my youngest daughter both download from Netflix but they have Tevos and Bluerays and I don't know what else.  We finally got a converter from our cable company so my husband can grumble at the Senators on C-Span 2.  :).  Our cable company made C-span 2 digitally encoded but C-span isn't.  I don't know why except to get more money by needing to add their equipment.

I'm not sure there's enough that we want to see to bother with getting whatever equipment we need to download from Netflix.  I'll have to check into it.

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« Reply #3917 on: January 29, 2011, 07:30:27 PM »
I love getting the DVDs by mail.  Right now, I pay $9.00, and get one DVD at a time.  But as soon as I send one back, the next one comes.  I sent one back on Tuesday, and got the next one yesterday - so they're very fast. 
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« Reply #3918 on: January 29, 2011, 09:15:01 PM »
Rosemary - I loved reading your description of garden parties.  I used to go to the ones that were held at my alma mater.  They appeared so terribly civilised on the surface, but I realise now, after having watched too many episodes of Midsomer Murders, that they were actually "everyone's at it" events, as Inspector Barnaby put it in last night's episode.  I was reading a lot of Katherine Mansfield's short stories at the time and her descriptions of tea and garden parties were so well written it seemed that we were living them.  Ah... the good old days ....  I should get out those short stories again.
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« Reply #3919 on: January 30, 2011, 12:10:38 AM »
Thanks to all for thinking of Mohamed and I.  Yes, he remains in the USA on a Leave of Absence from his university in Egypt.  He spoke briefly with his brother several days ago - BEFORE the telephone and Internet services were cut off.  As you may have already seen on TV (especially CNN) in the past few days, the protesting groups on the streets of Cairo,  Alexandria, Suez and several other cities throughout Egypt are made up primarily of young folks - many college graduates who have been unable to find employment -  as well as others who are fed up with President Hosni Mubarak's refusal to step aside after so many years in office.  Yes, Egypt has been the staunch partner of the USA in the Middle East, serving as a major Arab country in assisting the West to better understand the region and work with the leaders of the various majority Arab countries.  However, the outbursts in the past few days from the citizens of Egypt are based primarily on the fact that Pres. Mubarak has focused primarily on HIS own interests (i.e. grooming one of his sons to assume the Presidency), rather than working to bring a better level of income to citizens, helping the unemployed obtain opportunities for employment and basically ignoring the ever rising levels of unemployment in the Country.

Indeed, Egypt is the focus of many travelers from around the world, yet at the same time it is an enormously poor country.  Families (NOT just individuals) throughout the poorer regions often subsist on as little as $2 per day (if that).  People in the West tend to think of Egypt in connection with the Pyramids and that's fine, since the locations of those sites are a tremendous draw for travelers.  And those travelers invariably spent quite a bit of $$$$$ during their presence in country.  Yet little of that money filters down to the villages and small cities.

During my previous service as the Cultural Liaison Officer at the Egyptian Bureau in Washington DC, I met a range of Egyptians, their families, many students seeking a strong education in the USA and other Western countries, as well as numerous diplomats and business people from Egypt.  Some were enormously successful - billionaire businessmen seeking to develop even more enriched relations with the West; university professors (educated in the West) hoping to improve course offerings at their home institutions in Egypt; Tour Guides and owners of hotels who hoped to better understand Westerners so they could adapt their tours and hospitality sites to whatever customers might wish to find in "the Land of Pharaohs."

But its a new generation now and the younger, well educated Egyptian men and women seek employment - and not just in the Tourist sectors.  As was quite evident among the street demonstrations, there is a very strong desire for Pres. Mubarak to step aside and let someone else - NOT his son or any close relation - assume leadership in Egypt.  He is NOT willing to do so - at least for now - and that has caused an uproar across Egypt.  I expect to see more leverage from Western leaders (in North America and throughout the European countries) encouraging - perhaps insisting - that he relinquish his Presidency.  Perhaps even with the threat of reducing or stopping altogether the funds which have been forthcoming for many years.  The USA has been a long time supporter of Pres. Mubarak and Egypt, and it has become very clear in the past few days that that relationship now must be one of the strong foundations for encouraging that a new age of leadership in Egypt be implemented.  It will NOT happen quickly, but I am convinced that it will happen.

Thanks again to all who have kept our family in prayers and positive thoughts.  And to those who recall that my son (fondly known to many as "Chaps") continues to serve as an Army Brigade Chaplain in Iraq, we are deeply grateful for your prayers.

Mahlia