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[maryz]

The Library Our library cafe is open 24/7, the welcome mat is always out. Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us. We look forward to hearing from you, about you and the books you are enjoying (or not). Let the book talk begin here!

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Pedln, this is in deep water - try standing on it with both feet - sort of in the middle.  It's harder than it looks.

[Octavia]

Gumtree, you are right of course . My mind was still off in the clouds with the spitfires.
I really enjoyed the program on the women pilots who delivered the planes, I wasn't aware of the big role they played. Tough to face all that discrimination from the chauvinists in the RAF. I was really touched by their love of flying, still burning fiercely even though they weremostly in Nursing Homes.
Falls are really the scourge of growing old, aren't they?

[marcie]

Sheila, I'm sorry to hear about your fall. I'm glad you are able to walk, although gingerly. The idea of balance exercises sounds good.

[Steph]

Yes, balance is harder and harder as we age. I go to Silver Sneakers ( exercise program for seniors) twice a week and try hard to do all of it.. It is a five day a week program, but I go on the cardio days,, I lift by myself on machines two other days and row and/or ride a stationary bike.. Every day I walk in the mornings,, trying always for 5000 steps on my ped..
The stairs do not bother me.. The idea of leaving where he was last does.. So I have stopped any serious looking until I can bear the idea of being somewhere where he has never been.

[maryz]

I hear you, Steph.  Do what feels good.

[Babi]

 Unfortunately, I start wobbling with my eyes closed, even on two feet! And I'm always
holding onto something if I'm attempting standing exercise. Very brief exercises, to be
truthful. More of a gesture than a reality.

[BarbStAubrey]

Wow Steph you are an example - you are not letting up from keeping  yourself fit - that is where I easily let myself down so I am in awe.

[LarryHanna]

Speaking of going down the stairs backwards as the young child did, my father at an elderly age moved into a house with a basement for the first time (something he had always wanted).  Unfortunately it had no outside entrance so he had to use the stairs and he found going down backwards assured that if he were to fall it would be falling up to the highter stairs and not down head first.  He never fell on the steps by using this technique. 

[BarbStAubrey]

Interesting - backwards - I must try it - I have been inwardly afraid of stairs since I was a small child - to my mother's annoyance when I was preschool age I used to sit on the stairs and bump myself down from stair to stair - I could do it pretty fast - had to in order to satisfy mom who wanted me to hurry. 

[bellemere]

That' great!  My little grandson George is available to give lessons!
this weekend is the big St. Patrick's parade, with an invited guest of irish descent, this year, David McCullough.  Wonder how many people have read his wonderful history books.  My favorite was 1776. The famous Philadelphia mummers wil also be in the parade, everyone loves them.  After 36 years or so of parades, though, I am pretty jaded.  Will catch a glimpse on TV maybe.

[ginny]

Here are two non sequiturs which I hope may be of interest.

First off, we need to thank Jane for her beautiful work with the spring images on top of the pages, they help keep the site look appealing and colorful, thank you Jane!!

Secondly, those of you with apple i whatevers, I have a problem I'd rather ask you first. Maybe we need a separate discussion on Ask or something.

I've got an I Touch but it has no plan with it, no access unless there is wi fi somewhere.

I've got an I Phone, it does have a plan.

I can't get the little bookshelves on the I Phone. I can get Barnes and Noble but not the little book shelves and I want them, isn't that stupid? But I do.

Anybody have any ideas how to get them on the I Phone?

[marjifay]

Ginny said, "Maybe we need a separate discussion on Ask or something."

My first question would be "What's an IPhone?"  Anything like an Ear phone?  (Don't answer that -- it's just that I haven't the least idea about technical stuff.  The last "technical instument" I bought was a cordless telephone, and I have trouble using that.)

Marj

[BarbStAubrey]

Yes - YES - "YES!!!!" a techie discussion with links to basic understanding of terminology - how things function - links that show photos of gadgets and what they do and what the advantage of them are - and links how to set up a blog and posts that include links to our favorite blogs - How to download photos - how to reduce the size of photos.

[rosemarykaye]

Yes, I would definitely like something like this.

Rosemary

[salan]

Barb, Rosemary, and Ginny,  I would love a discussion like that.  My daughter calls me a "techno-tard"; yet she still keeps giving me things that plug in!!  I have a Kindle, Smart Phone and a photo printer that I fumble around with.  Currently my smart phone has a terrible photo of me that I accidently took and don't know how to delete it.
Sally

[Frybabe]

Sounds handy to me.

[ginny]

nono, actually what I MEANT was a place to ASK?   Unfortunately we don't have anybody who can answer. hahaha  We're not equipped to set up a help desk. We do have people who KNOW but it would not be fair to ask them to answer continually,  or set up a help desk and set themselves up to give advice.

When SeniorNet broke up, the group at Seniors & Friends maintained the computer help area with Rammel I think, you might want to ask about problems  there. I meant a place we could ask here, peer help from people who had the same experience, not that it would do any good but maybe somebody would know. Misery loves company. ahahah

Meanwhile I did find out how to get the famous "bookshelves" back. You have to use the ITunes store?  And once there you type in ibooks and behold their own bookstore is free and available for download and there are  the nice brown bookshelves virtually which hold your virtual  books. I know the young man thought I was nutso or dotty but I want those bookshelves.

I had sort of envisioned in the Ask discussion  the blind leading the blind, I do like Barbara's idea of links on where to find things. Apple just sent me a million of them.

I must say Apple is extremely helpful and nice on the phone if you buy one of their products.

Kind of like the old days in other areas.

Maybe we could put up something like each one help each one, but in my case unless you want bookcases (and only if you ask before I forget it in the next 10 minutes) I could only say oh I hope somebody helps.

But we might be able to help with some of this:

Yes - YES - "YES!!!!" a techie discussion with links to basic understanding of terminology - how things function - links that show photos of gadgets and what they do and what the advantage of them are - and links how to set up a blog and posts that include links to our favorite blogs - How to download photos - how to reduce the size of photos.

Marjifay, I  love the Iphone. It's a little cell  phone that surfs the internet too. It's so user friendly I swear my 4 year old grandson could use it. I love it. Love it. You can get email on it too. Love it. You can download a book on it too. You can also do notes on it, type in a grocery list and take it to the store. AT&T is running a sale on them at 49 dollars.

Serenesheila, I meant to say I am so sorry to hear of your fall. I hate falling and have always had a fear of steps anyway. I have never understood why  models can walk down steps without holding on to anything or looking down.  I've NEVER ever been able to do that.

I hope you will be feeling better soon. I hate falling. I broke my leg the summer before last gaily running down the stairs the day before Mother's Day at 11 pm taking the dog out, and was surprised to find myself on the ground with a broken leg.

I think you all are right, and it must be a case of balance. Have you all seen the Jack LaLanne DVD of exercises, Forever Young I think it's called. I saw so many things on him when he died (at 96)  and PBS ran one of his old DVD's with his wife and he who appear  well up in years,  and he had exercises for sitting in chairs and all kinds of things, and I know it does not sound like anything you'd think useful,  but I guarantee you  the baby and I did them and he was panting like a long distance runner when they were through.

That was quite the workout, with plenty of encouraging comments from LaLanne, who keeps saying that age does not disqualify you from fitness and you don't need special equipment and he and his wife sure looked the part. She'd kind of laugh at his seriousness, it was really cute. The baby still will do a variety of LaLanne  routines if asked, he's a hoot. (He was demonstrating the "swim" arm movements a little vigorously and his mother said, is THAT the way he did it?)  hahahaa

I've heard and seen a lot of people  going backwards downstairs, it makes sense to me. Just keep a GRIP on the rail.

Stephanie, you sound like a model for all of us!

Listen, speaking of injury, I'm sure many of you remember Anna (Fairanna) from our book discussions,  and Poetry sections, she's posted in the  Classics Bulletin Board: she's been in an accident and has been injured.  She might enjoy some get well emails or hearing from folks.

[marjifay]

Thanks for the info on an IPhone, Ginny.  I think I'll pass.  I can surf the internet and read my email on my desk computer.  I don't want to read a book unless it's on paper, and a scrap of notebook paper is much cheaper for a grocery list.  LOL

Marj

[BarbStAubrey]

My sister is thrilled and excited with her Iphone - ohhh I do not know - now I must say I was attending a training a couple of weeks ago and someone at our table had an Ipad - I liked what I saw till I learned  you cannot send emails form the Ipad - the talk was though that possibly next Christmas or whenever they come out with the 4th production of the Ipad it will enable sending email. Now that I would enjoy - the devise is so much easier to carry around and use then a laptop - even these new tiny laptops seems like there is things to stick in and plugs for this or that.  But then all of Austin is Wifi if that is the correct description - in other words you can sit on any curb, bar stool or front seat of a car in town and get online.

However Marj I'm with  you - I like the feel and heft of a book even if I grab one to read in a waiting room and the back of an envelope is still my WWII bow that is ingrained for writing lists grocery or otherwise.

[rosemarykaye]

This is a slight change of subject, but do watch this short video about Adult Amnesia.  My friend send it to me .  We think it's very funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oHBG3ABUJU

Rosemary

[Steph]

I have an IPAD and send email?? If you are connected to the web, you can send it. You just have to first get to your provider.. In my case.  www.rr.com
 and then you can log in and send anything you want.. Harder to send a long message and my biggest problem is although I can delete the message on the IPAD, when I get home my big PC still has the messages. No idea why and that would be a good thing to find an answer to.
Oh yes, Ginny, I do love my book shelves..but my IPAD uses all of the different book applications.. So I get bookshelves for ebooks, kindle, and two others.

[ginny]

The I phone when you type in books comes with a link to Barnes and Noble and you can install that on your menu but they didn't have Mapp and Lucia to go, and Amazon does. So I offloaded Kindle as well as the I books store. So now we are three bookstores, but nothing on the shelves.

When we moved here to the farm our former living room had wall to wall bookshelves I put in.  The real estate agent (this was 31 years ago) seriously requested we remove those shelves as they were a detriment.  I refused. Maybe she was right, it took almost 2 years to sell in a down market. (That could be because my husband refused to budge from his bottom line too).  I hope she never visits this house, it's room after room of detriment.

The thing about technical help is that Apple has fabulous phone help for users and truly you can type in any question in google and get a million answers on the internet but I'll take this up, I do like the links idea).


I'm for anything easy to use, having no technical expertise or understanding at all. This is a woman who pats the dashboard of the car when it goes?

I love real books, they are my...vice, I guess. But if you travel a lot, non luxuriously,  or if you spend a lot of time waiting in the doctor's office, I must say the little e readers (mine's the size of a cell phone) are wonderful. When I travel overseas for instance, half of my luggage is books, which I usually read with the speed of light, then what to do? Good book, I hate to throw it away so I lug it on trains and add more to it,  and every ounce on an European train is another backache. I usually to be honest end up mailing a box home to self, and leaving them in lobbies for the next happy person. Guidebooks, one tears out the sections, one is left with a ruined book at home and lost pages (every ounce costs) abroad. No more.  Guidebooks, travel books right there in your purse with all the phone numbers you need. It's an idea whose time has long come.

The I phone has GPS for European cities, built in maps. You can see the streets of any city, US or Europe.  You can download Rick Steves's tours on them free,  and he'll tell you, if you can stand him, and he's not all that bad,  as you walk through this or that museum AND the Forum in Rome  what you're looking at (if audio tours are not available).  

(Unfortunately for him, the Forum now charges admission and gives you the option of an absolutely excellent audio tour). You can speak into the phone and say Call XXX and it will,  once you set it up, nice for driving, no trying to drive and poke at keys. It's an idea whose time has come, but it's already being replaced, both the techies who have come out here recently have told me I want the android, strange initials, that it's light years beyond and much easier to use (how can it be?) than the I phone.

Technology marches on.  The reason the 3G is on sale at $49 instead of 349 or whatever it once was is the 4G and there's a new one coming out soon as well. So it's "old hat," where the 4G is new hat about to be replaced by the android.

It depends on what you want. I still love a real book but I don't love the weight when traveling or lying in bed at night.

Speaking of real books, I came in to say originally that Bird Cloud by Annie Prolux about her building a house is turning out to be very  odd and boring. Very boring.

Very odd.

There are so far no photos. It's about her wants in building a house and I think she's entitled to them,  but she has odd taste. Very odd. For instance (to me it's odd) she likes rust. She likes old rusty pieces and insists they be incorporated into the design structure.

??

Rust is the enemy here on the farm. I don't see anything pretty in rust which continues to disintegrate and ruin what it touches. Very odd.

She also travels around touring with her crew, this or that member of the crew to sightsee, that seems odd to me. I have never traveled with somebody working on the house but I've never built a house either. There's a lot of this going on.  She's got three sons but so far only one has visited with his wife.

She calls some of the workers fake names, like their professions, I don't have it here, it's like Mr. Concrete or Mr. Sidewall.  I guess this is to protect them from her blasts about their competence, but the all over tone is dismissive from a person who likes to travel/ socialize with her crew. Kind of...

It's similar to House by Tracy Kidder but different because it's ODD. And extremely boring. At this point they are pouring the concrete floor. This is not the slab, this is the floor of the house. The floor is to be concrete. I hope she has good feet, back,  and knees, it's going to be hard standing, and the stain is ALL. The stain is not right, not the nice rust color one needs.

She is ODD. I'm sorry, Prolux lovers, she's a good writer,  but this house sounds like an ugly  mess. Architect or no.

The first thing she did was put up fences over a good bit of her land, this did not endear her to the ranchers,  and it's serious nasty fence.

I think she would make a great psychological study. I wonder if all writers are like this when you get to know them personally. I almost would rather not have the real person, but I'm not sure, in her defense, what I expected.

 Now THIS is a perfect example of why i books are good. This cost big time. It's not a big book. I should have gotten it from the library, but the library is 30 minutes away.    I thought it was going to be another House and we might discuss it? Were it an e book it probably would have cost 8 or 9 bucks and then throw away or even maybe borrow IT electronically for less from the library (are their loan e books free?). Then you wouldn't feel so bad trashing it. Yes I can and will donate it to the real library, pack it up and drive 30 minutes for that privilege. I could also ship it to one of the many prisons we used to serve with used books and still did this year, the Niantic Federal Women's prison in CT where Wally Lamb volunteers.

 Truly I'd rather be able to hit Delete for this one. Lesson learned.


Are you reading something better than this? hahahaa

[Frybabe]

Rosemarykaye, this I must share with George. He will recognize me right away, and it may explain why he is still finding reading glasses in various odd places (the last was in the oven) as he cleans up the house after his Mom passed away.

Ginny, if I had been shown a house with built in bookshelves I certainly would have given it serious consideration. I love built in shelves. In my bedroom, there was a window, complete with drapes, that looked out onto the backside of the siding that covered it. The previous owners just left the window there. Hmmmmm! When I had some replacement windows installed, my contractor took that window out for me and built a shelf in the window space. Very nice job. The glass shelves are perfect for my knick-knacks and paperback books. He even put in an overhead dimmer light.

[jeriron]

Stephanie is right you can receive and send E-mails on the IPad. What you can't do is text. And that's true if you delete messages then still remain on your PC so you have to delete them there too.

Book reading on the IPAD: I used it once and find that it's hard on the eyes and I get a headache. Plus I find it big and bulky so I prefer my Kindle. But thats me, that doesn't mean everyone feels that way.

I would like a IPhone but it's not the price of the phone but what it costs every month especially if you text and I would want to do that with my kids but I still end up sending an E-mail to their IPhone and they answer back that way.

[nlhome]

I have had no desire to get an electronic device for reading. I have several reasons. I've tried to read books on line on the laptop and my pc, and I find it distracting and uncomfortable - but then, I also find it uncomfortable to watch a TV program on line.
I usually take one book when I travel, something that I can pick up and put down and interruptions don't matter. I prefer to get local newspapers and read them. But, I cannot read when a vehicle is in motion - do you suppose there would be any difference between a book and a book on an ipad or kindle? The motion sickness is annoying - although I do get to appreciate the scenery. Still, riding through the flat country from Iowa to SD, for example (sorry Jane) can get boring after the 2nd trip.

[LarryHanna]

Hi everyone.  Interesting discussions here on iPhone's and the iPad Touch. I have the 2nd generation of the iPod Touch, which I call the midget iPad since it will do just about everything the iPad will do only in a smaller version.  While I am really not into texting with anyone I do have an application on the Touch that allows me to do free texting.  I also would love to have an iPhone and/or the iPad but don't want the monthly fees associated with the two-year contracts.  

I have found that I can usually find out how to do something on the computer or my iPod Touch by doing a Google search.  There is often a YouTube video or a written set of instructions.  

For some reason I am not able to get my Barnes and Noble account to work correctly on my Touch.  I do have several other ebook readers on it that work well including the Kindle ebook reader application that works very well.  I am really enjoying reading the ebooks.

nlhome, I agree with you about reading a book on the computer.  However, I find the ebook reader or the ebook applications on my iPod Touch very easy to use.  I keep the Touch attached to my belt with a clip-on case and have access to the Internet anywhere there is a wi-fi connection. 

[nlhome]

Larry, there was a period of time when my husband carried his phone/internet connection with him at all times, for work and for pleasure - I was glad when he retired from his business and opted for just a cell phone.  It was like he was tethered to the world but not attending to himself, or me, to be honest. It was handy to send an email or find something at the spur of the moment, but it interfered too much. Maybe that's my biggest reason for the reluctance to get one more electronic device in my life.

[Frybabe]

Found this nice little quiz on CNN while internet exploring.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/12/10/world.literature.quiz/index.html

[pedln]

That is a nice little quiz, Frybabe.  Wouldn't you know, I got the world wide ones, but missed on some of the US authors.  Interesting about Kafka -- he died at age 40.

Steph, you can probably change something (but don't ask me   ) so that you wouldn't get your email messages in both places -- Ipad and Computer.  My son set up my att server so that I WOULD get messages both on laptop and desktop.  That way, I can check my email while travelling, but still have the messages on the main PC when I get home.  There are usually some that I want to keep for future reference.  And I just want those on ONE computer -- the PC.

I want a new car and have been researching a bit on the Internet. What a lot of new technology there.  They now come with 6 USB ports -- I guess for people who have mobile wi-fi?

[mabel1015j]

Jeriron - if you go to "settings" on your first page on the ipad, and then tap on "brightness" you can move the slide back and forth to vary the brightness. I turn mine down to almost 1/3 when i'm indoors and don't have any eye strain. ..... Jean

[ginny]

Oh that is so fun, Frybabe! I missed the Hunter S Thompson question and the one at the end, about the bestselling or most revenue author. I am surprised!

Super fun!

Larry I have the ITouch with no plan either. It's not a problem if there's wi fi around, but there isn't out here.

Nlhome, this is a great question: But, I cannot read when a vehicle is in motion - do you suppose there would be any difference between a book and a book on an ipad or kindle?  Anybody know?

I wouldn't think so, reading being reading and what causes motion sickness is...er....ah...

Jeriron, a  lot of people prefer the kindle or nook to the ipad. The big and bulky is why I like the I phone and I touch, don't I sound as if I  know what I'm doing? hahaha I don't.

Margie, I'm with you on the bookshelves as decoration.

[JoanP]

Rosemarykaye, that's the FUNNIEST thing I've seen in a long time!  The poor lady is...ME!  I'm sending this to a number of friends, who will recognize me too!  Thanks for sharing!

[pedln]

I can’t believe this.  I must live in a different world.  Are our ages showing?  I have three friends who are totally computer illiterate.  And one who doesn’t like the PC, whom I called yesterday, left a message on her machine, and was flabbergasted when she responded by email.

This from the NYT – which is going to start charging for online news in about a week.

Don't Call Me      some clips below.

“Isn’t it weird to just call like that? Out of the blue? With no e-mailed warning?”

In the last five years, full-fledged adults have seemingly given up the telephone — land line, mobile, voice mail and all. According to Nielsen Media, even on cellphones, voice spending has been trending downward, with text spending expected to surpass it within three years.

“I literally never use the phone,” Jonathan Adler, the interior designer, told me. (Alas, by phone, but it had to be.) “Sometimes I call my mother on the way to work because she’ll be happy to chitty chat. But I just can’t think of anyone else who’d want to talk to me.” Then again, he doesn’t want to be called, either. “I’ve learned not to press ‘ignore’ on my cellphone because then people know that you’re there.”

“I remember when I was growing up, the rule was, ‘Don’t call anyone after 10 p.m.,’ ”  “Now the rule is, ‘Don’t call anyone. Ever.’ ”

Phone calls are rude. Intrusive. Awkward. “Thank you for noticing something that millions of people have failed to notice since the invention of the telephone until just now,” Judith Martin, a k a Miss Manners, said by way of opening our phone conversation. “I’ve been hammering away at this for decades. The telephone has a very rude propensity to interrupt people.”

Many people don’t even know how their voice mail works. “I’ve lost that skill,” “I have no idea how to check it,” “I can stay in a hotel for three days with that little red light blinking and never listen. I figure, if someone needs to reach me, they’ll e-mail.”

I said: ‘Whoa! You answered your phone!’ It was a P.R. person. She said, ‘Yeah, I like to answer the phone.’ ” Both were startled to be voice-to-voice with another unknown, unseen human being.

[Gumtree]

Oh that is so fun, Frybabe! I missed the Hunter S Thompson question and the one at the end, about the bestselling or most revenue author. I am surprised

That's weird Ginny - they're the two I missed  - Never heard of Hunter S Thompson and thought Rowling got the most money.

Thanks for posting the quiz Frybabe -

Pedln - so phones are going out of fashion huh? Sometimes they are an intrusion but then I let the machine answer for me and call back when I'm able. Amazing how technology is changing our lives and how fast it's happening.

[BarbStAubrey]

Well this is interesting - I have to look into an Ipad then -  I wonder why she said she couldn't send email - maybe she didn't know how - the only other I need is to be able to get the MLS - that is the biggie for me so I am not contently pulling over plugging my computer [because I never can remember to  have the battery charged]  into the cigarette lighter and all the song and dance of getting on line with whines and sounds and popping up images - plus I have always hated the keyboard on a laptop - well this now sounds hopeful - I need to visit an Apple store - my first computer was an Apple and I loved it - had to get a PC again for the MLS that until very recently was not available on an Apple.

Fun Quiz Pedln - thanks - I missed Patterson - I am trying to remember but I do not think I have ever read a book he wrote - evidently he increases his income with the use of Ghostwriters - hmmmm http://www.brighthub.com/arts/books/articles/88569.aspx OK...!!??!!

Ginny I laughed at your wonderment about rust and concrete - often  used material here in Austin. - Even when IBM came to town some 40 or more years ago their building was/is made with the metal that within the year, and after each rain, rusts and the rust continues to add layers that strengthen the building -  I could be wrong but I do believe it is because it is so dry in the West where as in the East it humid and it rains a lot - look at all your trees - Rust in dry climates is another animal -

And scored concrete floors, usually stained, goes along with the huge amount of tile of all sizes - from 8" square to 3' square -  used in western houses - not just the shiny ceramic tile seen behind counters, on counters and in showers, but unglazed also, large tile in the floors and then the Tiffany of floors is to have the deep - at least 3" deep, rusty color tile with no glaze from either D'Hanis Texas or Saltillo Mexico - the difference - the Saltillo tiles are dried out of doors lying in fields therefore, have the imprint of birds and other wildlife that walked over the tiles before they were dry. And so, with all this tile that is cool in summer and if the sun is low it warms it in winter and the biggie it is easy to clean up after a wind storm that brings so much fine dirt and sand,  it is only one step from tile to scored concrete.

Here in Austin we are seeing more and more folks wanting wood floors - they are usually folks who are not from this part of the country - the problem in order to outwit termites the wood is not real wood unless the house is built on what we call pier and beam rather than the typical concrete slab. But even then without the proper barriers you are asking for trouble . Different climates demand different products and then folks fall in love with what they know -

Now if I could learn Ipads and Iphones as well as I know my building supplies I'd have it made.

[serenesheila]

My update.  It has now been nine days since my fall.  The soreness has lessened, but the bruising is still there.  I use my cane to walk, full time now.  It give me more stability.  I am more afraid of falling, now, than I was before. 

Thank you all, for your good wishes.  I really appreciate your concern.  I also appreciate the tips you have given me.  I didn't trip over a rug, or anything.  So, I think I need to find out more about how to improve my balance.  Each day I am less sore.

Sheila

[marcie]

I'm glad you are feeling better, Sheila. That seems a good idea to use your cane all the time, just in case.

[jane]

While each of us is different, I was delighted to find that I can read on my NookColor while riding in a car. I can't read a print book without getting car sick. I think the fact I can increase the size of the font, and change the background from stark white to a butter color or a sepia or a mocha helps a lot with eye strain.

I bought a car charger and read on my ereader all the way from S. Texas back to iowa several weeks ago.

jane

[BarbStAubrey]

  Jane I have to assume someone else was doing the driving??

[jane]

    Yep, Barbara!