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marjifay

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« Reply #6080 on: August 23, 2011, 10:34:13 AM »

The Library



Our library cafe is open 24/7, the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.

We look forward to hearing from you, about you and the books you are enjoying (or not).


Let the book talk begin here!





Babi wrote, "  I definitely agree, LARRY. I was thinking just the other day that extremism can run both ways. Some of the Muslim countries are extremist in covering up their women, but I think we have become just as extreme in exposing ours."

I agree.  Absodefinitely!  I don't consider myself a prude -- used to wear mini-skirts when I was young.  But some of the outfits worn (or more accurately, barely worn) today are ridiculous.

Did you hear the remarks a pastor recently aimed at the young male blacks in his church:  "Get yourselves belts! Nobody wants to see your underwear"  
 
Marj
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marjifay

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« Reply #6081 on: August 23, 2011, 10:38:33 AM »
Off topic, but I heard this morning on a radio news broadcast (guess today is a slow-news day), that the big thing this year at the Iowa State Fair is eating a stick of butter, fried, on a stick!  Yuk!  And I thought deep fried candy bars sounded awful...

Marj
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« Reply #6082 on: August 23, 2011, 12:15:04 PM »
Marjifay, what we need in the smiley faces is a "yuck" face. Fried butter sounds really gross.

Larry, I'm glad you mentioned overdoing the state of dress or undress (so to speak). I have for quite some time thought that casual attire in public has gotten to be a little too little. I am glad to hear I am not alone in this.

MaryPage

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« Reply #6083 on: August 23, 2011, 12:33:47 PM »
A retired accountant myself, have heard about Europeans putting the market value of assets on their books.  My question is, how do they do this?  Do they annually look up the market value of fixed assets and make a journal entry adding to their value and calling it Other Income?  Or subtracting from the book value and calling it depreciation?  One can think of many ways to do this miraculous thing;  all a waste of valuable time and a muddlement of the truth.

Have read a number of articles written by professionals in the field who should know their facts, and it would appear that the Muslim extremists are very much in the minority in Islam. Unfortunately, just as is the case in our beloved land, these small numbers can make a very loud din of noise.  Have sometimes wished I could lock the Muslim extremists in a football stadium with our own Christian extremists and see what comes of it.  Weapons allowed?  Not? Whatever, the hollering would be worth the price of admission!  Or the DVD.   Think I'd opt for the DVD.

Had the ghastly experience at lunch several weeks ago, with one of my sons and one of my dear first cousins, of spending most of the meal staring right into the bared buttocks of a plump young man who looked to be in his early twenties.  We were inside a local restaurant and seated near the door.  I happened to be the one looking out.  There were gaily painted picnic tables outside, and this fellow sat himself down on the bench at the one nearest the door to stuff his mouth alone, his back to said door.  His jeans were totally under said bare buttocks, and bending over to push ever more food between his teeth, his tee shirt rose high on his back.  The white skin, the dark hairs, and the unseemly crevasse created by his gross overweight made the view one right out of hell for me.  Said nothing to my companions, as I did not want to have either of them insist upon suffering the sight in my stead.

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« Reply #6084 on: August 23, 2011, 01:25:08 PM »
Well, between the fried butter and the "other at the picnic table," it's time to stop eating lunch and get on about the day's business.     ::)

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« Reply #6085 on: August 23, 2011, 02:08:36 PM »
EARTHQUAKE????

About 10 minutes ago I betook myself downstairs because the house started to go sideways. By the time I got downstairs it stopped. Called George. He said Fox News just reported a 5.8 south of DC, in Virginia, and felt all the way up to NYC. NYC Federal Building reportedly evacuated. My eyes are still pretty wide open right now.

MaryPage

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« Reply #6086 on: August 23, 2011, 02:28:33 PM »
Written in Chestertown, Maryland on the Eastern Shore.

2:22 P.M. Tuesday, August 23, 2011

I just survived my first ever earthquake!  Working in a building dating back to our Colonial Period in downtown Historic Chestertown, and on the second floor, it felt like the whole building was shaking and swaying back and forth and stuff was falling on the roof.  Scared me witless, yet, due to my old age, I was apparently the last one out of this building.  The entire office staff across the hall was in the street when I finally, and gratefully, arrived there.

Everyone walked around in a daze talking to everyone all at once.

The latest is it was 5.8 and hit close to Charlottesville, Virginia.  The hospital here has been evacuated.  The Pentagon and Capitol have been evacuated.  At my daughter's home here, pictures fell off the walls.  Only damage I can find in here is drawers full of blueprints rolled open.

It was TERRIFYING.  Not fun at all.

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« Reply #6087 on: August 23, 2011, 02:55:49 PM »
Oh, my! And I hesitated to move from the Washington DC to California because of the earthquakes. It will be worse there, because the buildings aren't built with it in mind.

The first time I felt one, I was terrified! Now (I've been in threee or four) I'm a little more blase.

Frybabe

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« Reply #6088 on: August 23, 2011, 03:07:31 PM »
MaryPage, I'm in the Harrisburg area of PA. Apparently the shockwave was less intense up here than along the coast. I am glad you are alright

I didn't have anything fall or rattle, but the second floor was definitely rocking. I've encountered a few very small ones, but mostly they just rattled the pictures on the wall or the china. This is the first time I was felt one while in a two story house. At first I thought it was heavy traffic or something at the rail yard, but there was no sound. It didn't take me long to figure it out. WOW!

MaryPage

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« Reply #6089 on: August 23, 2011, 03:08:25 PM »
The phone lines have been clogged up with over calling, but my son in Annapolis finally got through to me a few minutes ago.  He reports pictures fell from the walls in my home there, but so far he sees no other damage.  Whew!

Glad you are okay, too, Frybabe.  If you are in Harrisburg, you will appreciate it when I tell you that on VJ Day in August of 1945 I was visiting cousins who lived in Camp HIll, and we went into Harrisburg to celebrate that evening and night!  I was just 16 and came home with a sailor's hat and several anchor pins.  Everyone danced in the streets of downtown Harrisburg for simply hours and hours.  Traffic could not get through.

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« Reply #6090 on: August 23, 2011, 03:11:44 PM »
I always miss all the fun. ;)  I'm in Portland, OR, visiting daughters, but evidently my house is intact, since I can still get the message on my phone.  JoanP, what about you, if you're not abroad?

The epicenter was a little north of Richmond, closer to JoanP than to me, but I gather there wasn't much damage.

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« Reply #6091 on: August 23, 2011, 03:13:49 PM »
" I have for quite some time thought that casual attire in public has gotten to be a little too little"

It's even worse, when you are in a wheelchair! I am just at the level of whatever body part the person wants to display,  and literally don't know where to look. You'd think going along the beaach in Southern California would be idyllic, but believe me --- a lot of people look MUCH better when they are covered up!!

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« Reply #6092 on: August 23, 2011, 03:18:26 PM »
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/se082311a.php

Here are the current USGS stats on the earthquake.

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« Reply #6093 on: August 23, 2011, 03:19:12 PM »
Glad you posted, PatH. I thought you would e in aiir already, and was going to call your house to see if I could get your phone, but couldn't get a dialtone. Joyce Anne in Silver Spring said nothing fell off the wall, she only felt a jerk. She said her cat had been nervous before and sensed that something was coming. I'd heard that animals can sense them; now she believes it.

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« Reply #6094 on: August 23, 2011, 03:25:26 PM »
My daughter in Annapolis just got through.  Says she has been trying to reach me for over an hour.  Says the roof of City Hall in Annapolis fell in.  Main Street is cordoned off and fire and police sirens can be heard all over town.  Chimneys at St. Mary's where she teaches high school French, Latin and Spanish have fallen.

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« Reply #6095 on: August 23, 2011, 04:45:39 PM »
That's a useful link, Frybabe. You can get to a map were people can report damage, and so far none reported for my ZIP.

Joan, I go home early tomorrow, landing 3:30 pm EDT.  I'll look for damage then.

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« Reply #6096 on: August 23, 2011, 06:15:40 PM »
So glad to hear everybody checking in after the earthquake.  We didn't feel anything here.  I'm just now turning on the evening news to hear what went on.
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« Reply #6097 on: August 23, 2011, 08:01:15 PM »
Re the Earthquake - all public buildings should be inspected as well as multistorey buildings plus home owners should get checks too if any cracks in their home. We lost over 100 people when a building classified as safe collapsed like a deck of cards in the recent Christchurch quakes. They have had thousands of quakes in the last year or so. This was an area not known for quakes. The last devestating quake was shallow. Do not be complacent this may not be the only one you have, months after the first non injury quake the devestating one struck. I advise everyone to ask questions about their building and don't stop asking if you have any worries. I wish people had done this regarding the CTV building which was the one I spoke about where the death toll was huge. Building facades collapsed too on buses etc in the second earthquake. More fatalities there. I dont want to be an alarmist but life is precious and maybe lessons can be learned from the experiences here.

Regarding clothing. I do think the expose of flesh has gone too far and even young teens let it all hang out. I am not a prude either but enough is enough I think.


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« Reply #6098 on: August 23, 2011, 08:47:36 PM »
I hope Ginny didn't experience any damage or fallout from this earthquake.  It did go as far south as SC, and I think she's in the northern part of that state.

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« Reply #6099 on: August 23, 2011, 09:31:56 PM »
MaryPage - How frightening for you.  Like you, I would probably be the last out of the building.  I do hope that your family is OK and your lovely city stays intact.  Keep calm and carry on ... as the British would say.

I thought your description of the young man buttocks was absospoton.  Upon seeing such sights I am always tempted to use the exposed cleft as a moneybox.....joking ;)
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Frybabe

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« Reply #6100 on: August 23, 2011, 10:09:31 PM »
Don (Radioman) from Classical Corner reported that they felt it up in London, Ontario also. He said some buildings were evacuated there too. He was napping at the time and didn't feel a thing. I just looked up exactly where London, ON is. It is north about midway between Detroit and Erie. The three cities make a triangle. It is pretty much due west of Buffalo, NY.

I emailed my friend in Colorado about the earthquake and asked if she had felt the one in Trinidad. She said because of the different kind of soil/rock out there, they didn't feel it. I am just amazed that we could feel it up here. I posted my report on the USGS website. They have a nice questionaire and a place to add comments at the end.

BTW, I also have a problem with the guys wearing pants that look like they are about to fall down and also display 4-6 inches of their underpants. I saw one guy once, thank goodness only once, that was wearing a thong type thing. I think that was worse than seeing bare butt crack.

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« Reply #6101 on: August 23, 2011, 10:29:43 PM »
I've been absent for a week - just busy - and what interesting discussions I missed.
RosemaryK - thanks for the tour. I looked up some of the President's reading selections - I can't be quite that serious right now. The earthquakes were certainly news - we too had family who felt the one on the East coast.

Lots of good hints for books to read. I am, just now, reading Silent in the Grave by Deanna Raybourn.

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« Reply #6102 on: August 24, 2011, 01:38:40 AM »
Well letting it all hang out is a joke to most but an embarrassment to others - there is this guy who rides his bike all over Austin buck naked - he must live in our neighborhood because he is seen several times a week - One of the neighbors a few streets away gets herself wound up and to those of us who have watched the exchange think it is a riot as she regularly stands in his way forcing him to stop so she can yell and scream at him with every new argument she can think of - of course, all he does is smile and say, "Yes Ma'am" in all his nakedness. It is one thing whizzing by since he does ride at top speed and another as he stands there as she goes on and on and on. She still hasn't figured it out that no matter what she says - he will be back...as naked as ever...
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« Reply #6103 on: August 24, 2011, 05:40:20 AM »
Having a dont sleep night again. I was up at 2 and 3 and 4 and finally gave up and got up at 5. I hate nights like this, since this means that this afternoon I will be exhausted..Darn darn darn.
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« Reply #6104 on: August 24, 2011, 08:38:32 AM »
Pedln, thank you, we're fine here, nothing but sudden limbs in the woods falling. My grandbaby  John and I were actually sitting in the creek which comes off his little  pond his daddy made him  in the woods, and digging in the sand.  We felt nothing but we HEARD in the woods plop plop of branches falling and one quite close bang,  of a fall,  otherwise nothing but the occasional old dead limb down in the yard.

Wow on the damage in the DC Arlington area, I am glad you're all right Mary Page and Frybabe,  and anybody where it hit.

Frybabe, lookit you go, here you hesitated but just kept swimming and I bet the end is in sight, is it? And we got to share in it as you went! Congratulations! We'll throw a party when you graduate!

 I saw film of them flying around the Washington Monument,  have never heard of an earthquake on the East Coast,  what a strange thing!   I wonder what this means about the plates shifting, and what it might mean for CA? I seem to have developed some kind of major obsession with PLATES. We actually have earthquake insurance because I remembered light years ago as a Geology lab assistant being stunned to find out that a very old fault line runs right under our area. Nobody seems to know anything about it and it's never mentioned but it's definitely there and has a name, so we took out earthquake insurance and I recall being laughed at at the time. That was 32 years ago.  I hope we never have to use it. We just, however, are getting a new roof, because of the storm damage from earlier this year.  

Carolyn!!! Good for you, telling the Librarian about our Latin classes!! Well done! Maybe she can visit us someday, I bet she'd have some wonderful recommendations for books, too!

That's interesting about a Latin teacher turning into a librarian, back in the day here in the States  one could get a Masters in Library Science (is that the right termination, former Librarians here?)  with a BA in something  other than library science, and I once thought that would make an interesting line of study (till I found out you have to have a super organized kind of mind to do it hahahaa).... But I understand that is no longer the case? You have to now have a BA in Library Science, is that right before you can then take an MA in it?  And today in the schools they are Media Specialists, that almost is another degree in itself. I know that a real librarian is something to be prized and they are being fazed out of the state prisons here simply because it costs so much to have one.


I am continuing with First Wives Club and loving it. It's just the type of book I need now as I am still plowing thru Antony and Cleopatra by Goldsworthy, boy that guy is hard to read, either in iphone or in regular print. While you're reading him each sentence is gold, you want to underline it and dog ear the page, etc., but it's like a buffet on a cruise: too many items, too much, you are surfeit with info after a paragraph and you have to  put it down.

Is one developing ADD? One worries about this reading Goldsworthy.  But one can't stop. At this rate ONE will be 1000 years finishing the book.

I wonder if I had it on audio book if that could possibly make a difference? I'm running out of formats!

If The First Wives Club keeps on like this I'm going to read all of hers in order. It's a perfect Beach Book.  I do have some qualms about the protagonist, and a decision she is making, but I guess that's what makes a "dive in and enjoy" book good.





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« Reply #6105 on: August 24, 2011, 09:41:48 AM »
 Wow, FRYBABE. At least the changeover should greatly simplify your studies. I'd take
2500 pages over 25,000 any day! Your observation about the potential for poor judgment
and lawsuits is well taken, though. 
  Market based value of assets seems more reasonable. Rarely do assets keep their original
value. I've always heard that an automobile value drops $1,000. the minute you drive it
off the lot.

 MERCY!, MARYPAGE. Extremists of both Islam and Christianity locked in together? Are you
looking for a repeat of the bloody Roman games?  Those that don't drop dead of strokes
or heart attacks would kill each other.

  Aren't there still 'pulic decency' laws on the books?  Or has it simply gotten too hard to enforce
them?  I did think total nudity on the streets was definitely verboten.  I'm sure the bike streaker
thoroughly enjoys being stopped by the lady ranter.
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« Reply #6106 on: August 24, 2011, 12:05:48 PM »
I don't much favor Public Decency laws, as each person's opinion of what constitutes decency varies so much.  I do believe in Freedom.

Just wish people were more thoughtful and did not expose the rest of us to body parts we'd really rather not see.

One of my daughters and I had quite an argument the other day, when I expressed a dislike for strapless gowns.  She got all upset with me and accused me of being too judgmental.  I explained to her that strapless gowns had been very popular with my own group as teenagers (were we called that back then?  I don't think we were.) and that I found nothing immoral or wrong with them in any way detrimental to my opinion of those who wore or wear them.  The thing is, I dislike FOR MYSELF the sense of bared shoulders and nearly bared breasts and of cleavage and of a sense the top of the gown might fall down.  It is a personal thing;  I have always been intimidated by strapless ANYthing, and especially ballgowns and wedding dresses.  Give me less skin exposure and more of a sense of safety.  I went to school for 2 years to the nuns, and they used to place handkerchiefs over cleavage if there was any.  In us girls, that is;  they sure never had any!  I guess I still carry a strong residue of not wanting to allow cleavage to show with anything I wear.  It has been 65 years since I left those dear sisters, but I have never shown cleavage except in a bathing suit, and those have all been conservative one piece outfits!

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« Reply #6107 on: August 24, 2011, 12:19:30 PM »
I remember trying a strapless gown once. It felt like the whole works was on the verge of falling off. I also tried those blouse or dresses that had a cross over effect  and tied or were sewn together at one side. I forget what they were called. They always crossed over way to low to suit me. To this day I do not buy any blouses or tee-shirts with a v-neck. I prefer a crew neck or collar style. But that is just me. Others seem to wear those styles, look good in them, and don't worry about exposing too much or "falling out".

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« Reply #6108 on: August 24, 2011, 03:37:28 PM »
I admit the amount of cleavage shown today bothers me-- again, being in a wheelchair, I am right at cleavage level, and I don't know what to do with my eyes.

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« Reply #6109 on: August 24, 2011, 04:16:07 PM »
I wore strapless formals in high school and college but no cleavage showed!  As I recall, they were boned to stay up - and we wore a sort of corset/strapless bra called a "Merry Widow" underneath.  Our dates must have thought they were dancing with an armored truck!!

The lack of underclothing today bothers me.  All that bouncing is most unattractive!
 Slips are apparently a thing of the past.   I wanted a long half-slip to wear with a costume I wear for Living History and most clerks had no idea what I was talking about.  Never did find one but a much taller friend gave me one of her old regular length ones that is almost long on me.

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« Reply #6110 on: August 24, 2011, 04:19:16 PM »
Frybabe, thanks for your post on the complexities and variations of modern accounting methods. What an exciting thing to be studying. Interesting to hear about potential for more lawsuits. Isn't there a surfeit of them already? They have become a serious economic factor. What a complex world we live in. Bring back the Cash 'n Carry days.

As for dress fashions, they have never been so exciting as they are now. Strapless things, like crinolines, always challenge me with their engineering problems. A pair of alluring eyes are enough to turn me on. A come hither look makes all clothing seem like a small impediment.

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« Reply #6111 on: August 24, 2011, 04:21:22 PM »
Thanks, Callie. That answers some of my questions.

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« Reply #6112 on: August 24, 2011, 04:36:29 PM »
I was only recently trying to decide - opened my drawer and there were half slips and full slips and one long black half slip - I looked at the lace and was blown away - these were just ordinary slips - nothing special and the lace was so lovely - all of a sudden I realized how bland and roughly constructed the undies are of today - so I ended up saving the slips - there was only one half slip and one camisole that were repeats of what was in the drawer that I decided to donate to Good Will.

Oh yes, Callie - those boned bras and corsets and dresses - not as bad I understand as the turn of the century but my word the indentations on the skin covering my ribs after a night of dancing on those things...
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« Reply #6113 on: August 24, 2011, 04:51:04 PM »
Callie, "danciing with an armored truck" gave me quite a chuckle. 
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« Reply #6114 on: August 24, 2011, 05:27:11 PM »
Brought back memories, did it, Larry?   ;D

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« Reply #6115 on: August 24, 2011, 09:02:50 PM »
Just to bring books back into the discussion, does anyone remember a little humorous book called "A Stress Analysis of a Strapless Evening Gown"?  I've totally forgotten what was inside, but the cover had a pseudo engineering drawing of forces, etc.

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« Reply #6116 on: August 24, 2011, 09:39:32 PM »
I just got back from the west coast this evening, but see no signs of earthquake in my house.

Without meaning to, I had left an earthquake detector in place; I had left an almost empty bottle of hair conditioner propped upside down in the corner of the bathtub to let the last of the thick glop run down to the top of the bottle where I could squirt it out.  Anything more than a slight wiggle would have toppled it, and it was still in place.

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« Reply #6117 on: August 24, 2011, 10:57:26 PM »
Pat,  glad the earthquake didn't affect your house.  LOL at the "detector".  I thought I was the only one who "stored" bottles of that sort of thing upside down to get the last possible drop.

During the off-subject discussion, I kept thinking of the little book "The Southern Belle Primer Or Why Princess Margaret Will Never Be A Kappa Kappa Gamma".    It's non-fiction with photos - but not of HRH.

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« Reply #6118 on: August 25, 2011, 01:22:28 AM »
Ginny here it is now the requirement to have a Diploma in Library studies to work as a basic librarian. They like you to have a BA for an Academic Library. My daughter is the last person to be employed as a Childrens Librarian without a Bachelor of Education Degree. The latin Teacher would have had a BA and done a teaching Diploma. Some years ago the Diploma was made defunct and now its a Bachelor of Education even for a primary ( elementary) school.

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« Reply #6119 on: August 25, 2011, 04:44:07 AM »
Pat - what a brilliant detector!  You should patent that and sell it to the government.

Carolyn - do you think all of these qualifications are necessary, or just a way of weeding people out?  When I think of the teachers I had in my primary school, none of whom would have had a degree in anything, I sometimes feel that my children would have been just as well- or maybe better - taught by them than by some of the college products they have now.  My teachers were for the most part kindly middle-aged ladies who taught us to read and write and did a lot of interesting stuff with us - now, as my friend who is a primary teacher often tells me, they are so hide-bound by the rules of how many minutes they must spend on this or that, and they have so many forms to fill in about everything, that there is IMO no room for "going off at a tangent" and discussing something that just crops up - which is so important for a wider education.  Of course teachers in secondary schools need a degree in their subject - Maths or whatever, - but I am not so sure about primary teachers.

Having said that, when I watched The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie again recently I did see that she took "going off at a tangent" to extremes! Still more fun than teachers with no opinions at all (or rather, none that they are allowed to express) though.

Rosemary