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Re: The Library
« Reply #5200 on: June 01, 2011, 09:01:06 AM »
 

The Library



Our library cafe is open 24/7, the welcome mat is always out.
Do come in from daily chores and spend some time with us.

We look forward to hearing from you, about you and the books you are enjoying (or not).


Let the book talk begin here!




What a fascinating story, BARB.  I had no idea any of those things could,
and did, happen. I can understand the mother being upset at the late
appearance of a third fawn, but surprised she didn't adapt.  Even more
surprised that other dear arrived to protect the new fawn, and astonished
that the older doe was able to produce milk for it.
  you must be very familiary with the deer around you, that you can identify
individuals and follow up on them. Do you ever take videos of them? You
would have some remarkable scenes.

 STEPH, perhaps you could pass on to your friend the information Barb posted
about plants deer won't eat.  Seems to be mostly herbs,..but herbs can be lovely, too.
"I go to books and to nature as a bee goes to the flower, for a nectar that I can make into my own honey."  John Burroughs

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« Reply #5201 on: June 01, 2011, 10:58:46 AM »
How very charming, Barb. For 15 or 16 years you've been watching over these lovely creatures? I'm sure they're well aware of your loving care and concern. What a safe place to have their babies. Word gets around.

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« Reply #5202 on: June 01, 2011, 09:43:00 PM »
BARB: what wonderful knowledge you have of the deer and their ways. this tells of many many hours of observation. I salute you for it.

It's a shame that those who wish to cull the herd couldn't take the time to understand it first.

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« Reply #5203 on: June 01, 2011, 11:54:47 PM »
Yes, it takes an interest with lots of reading to figure out what they are up to - many just hate the deer - trying to get to the bottom of that feeling - I think many haters believe like the pioneers of old - once the land is available it should conform to what works best for the ones who can make money from the land. Today when a new subdivision is built no one thinks where the wildlife will go and many just think it should disappear especially, if it eats their choice of garden plants, poops all over and like a two year old darts into the streets.

Interesting folks who have the problem with gardens do not sweat it if the plants they knew and loved when they lived in another climate cannot be grown and other choices must be made that at first do not compare to their memory of beauty nor do they consider that their domestic animals poop even in the house and most think the roads should be for vehicles alone and a vehicle should be able to travel unencumbered at high speeds. And then the weekend hunters that do not respect what hunting was all about and simply take what gives them either a pretty trophy or a notch on their gun -

To me I see a lot of education needed - The on-line bookstore at Texas A&M has many books free to download about the habits of deer - Deer are becoming quite an industry here in that in this state there are over 1400 Deer Ranchers in addition to the many Cattle Ranchers who now see the value in allowing the deer to live and graze along side the cattle. https://agrilifebookstore.org/ Most Deer Ranchers are about improving the deer strain, some for hunting and others for photographing.

Actually deer are not a grazing animal - there are four food types that they need and at various seasons they require one over the other with grazing the least of the food needs. Those that appear to be feeding the deer are only socially feeding since a deer consumes from 7 to 10 pounds of food a day. A herd of 10 deer would require someone to put out a bag and a half to two bags of feed a day. [50 pound bags]

Many feed the deer corn and that is like candy for them - it has no nutritional value - like giving a child a lollypop - however, the healthier the herd the more balanced the population and the less they are subject to disease - they need high protein plants like sorghum - you can buy bags of nourishing pellets. And throw out for them after you clean the frig the left over celery, lettuce that is too wilted, oranges cut in half, nearly any fruit or veggie - they will not eat onions, leeks or potatoes.

I do not feed but I will throw out what I would normally put down the disposal and I keep a pan of water for them in the summer - more for the protection of the house - they drink the water that drains from everyone's AC - problem sometimes they jostle each other and bang into the condenser so to avoid that I supply them with water.

Another fairly inexpensive way to keep the herd healthy if there is Lyme disease of other problems in your area - [our deer carry no Lyme disease] - but for under $50 you can get a salt lick that is part of a small portable feeding station that when the deer go in it brushes their ears and the antlers with medication - could be a shared neighborhood expense.

The problems with Urban deer are a bit different than the problems with range deer - the Urban population will not have a natural predictor like the coyotes to help thin them out  - problem, coyotes likes to eat the night time prowling cats and dogs so folks want to rid the neighborhood of coyotes.

As herds are pushed together - deer have a small radius of only 1 or 2 miles so when several herds are bunched because of development it is a stress factor and for every stress factor the natural response is more births than usual. Which means more tree rubbing from the males and more foundation plants eaten since new leaves and seedlings is the food they prefer - and  you have a percentage of young bucks among the births that when they are between the ages of 2 to 4 means more aggression that spills over affecting the human population - on and on it goes.

Once we or, the developers change the landscape that means we must become land managers and wildlife managers like it or not. All the natural management is gone - or we are saying all animals that we do not like the inconvenience they represent need to be extinct.

There was an Urban Wildlife conference here in May and a speaker from Germany gave a glowing report on how several towns in Germany are living accepting and learning how to live with wild life rather than the mantra alive and well in the country - Don't Feed The Deer - And the biggie - yep, you gotta slow down and this is from someone who has been hit several times over the years. They do a lot of damage to a vehicle.

 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #5204 on: June 02, 2011, 05:48:34 AM »
Deer are a huge problem here in this rural area...the damage to cars and the people in them and to motorcycles and their riders. The deer can appear suddenly and without warning from wooded areas along our roads and from ditches. Swerving often only makes the situation even worse.  Rutting season is particularly bad.

What "summer reading" have you found?  I'm always looking for something light and fun for the hot, humid days of summer.  Any suggestions?


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« Reply #5205 on: June 02, 2011, 05:53:21 AM »
Wildlife and towns.. or heavier populations. The deer sound harmless, but here we have black bear.. who wander into anywhere that there are garbage cans and the resulting mayhem to get the food is strange. I have friends who cannot put out their bird feeder since the bears discovered it..They rip it down, feast and move on.
And Coyotes..This is a personal hate of mine since they try to lure out the household dogs and cats.. good to eat from their point of view and very stupid to boot.
We had a small pack come into a pony paddock and pull down and kill a young shetland stallion last year. Needless to say that owner will go nuts at the idea of the coyote..
People and animals in the wild have problems coexisting..Culling deer herds is a practical way to not shoot them indiscriminately.. But they have to understand that culling needs to be done by people who know what to kill..
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Re: The Library
« Reply #5206 on: June 02, 2011, 09:49:48 AM »
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What "summer reading" have you found?  I'm always looking for something light and fun for the hot, humid days of summer.  Any suggestions?
  Jane asks --

Just browsing in the new stuff at the library I picked up Lea Wait's Shadows of a Down East Summer, her latest of the Antique Print mystery series, which I'm enjoying so far. She's a new author for me -- never heard of her.  I'm going to recommend it to my f2f group today (I'm leading The Help ) as many of them are really into Antiques, flea markets, selling and reselling, etc.

I also brought home a new John le Carre,  Our Kind of Traitor, which is a jump around, flash-backy, kind of weird spy story.  Not sure I'm going to stick with this one.

Still untouched is another unknown (to me) author, Joseph Monninger,  Eternal on the Water -- "a love story immersed in nature."  (they meet while kayaking.)

Just finished Karen McQuestion's Life on Hold -- my bedtime Kindle reading. (I like reading from the Kindle in bed, easy to hold, easy to see.)  I think she's one of Amazon's independent writers (independent price  :) ), could be a YA book, but enjoyable.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #5207 on: June 02, 2011, 09:58:12 AM »
I've not heard of the Antique Print mystery series or that author either.  I'll look at our library.

I love my NC for night and for traveling and doc office waits,too.

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« Reply #5208 on: June 02, 2011, 10:41:09 AM »
pedln, I don't care for most books where it is constantly flashing back and then to the present time.  I just like for the story to move forward. 

I am currently reading a book called "Carved in Bone" by Jefferson Bass.  It is the first in the Body Farm series about the head of the Body Farm at the University of Tennessee (which actually exists).  It is a bit gruesome in a few places but a good read as a mystery thriller.  It was a free Barnes & Noble book but see it is now $7.99.  That is why I am careful to check each Friday to see what they are offering free.  Guess you all will get the idea that I am a cheapskate, which I hope I am not, but want to make the most of my book dollars.
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« Reply #5209 on: June 02, 2011, 11:28:49 AM »
Speaking of nature - I have just walked along the Waters of Leith path, and on part of it there is an old stone wall.  I saw a little bird fly out from it, but there was still a lot of twittering - had a look (from a respectful distance) and saw the tiny beaks of the babies in a crevice where the nest must be, all anxiously waiting for their mother's (or ?father's) return.

The only urban wildlife we have here are foxes and seagulls.  The latter are an absolute pest.  The foxes divide opinion - I like them but a lot of people don't.

The weather here today is wonderful - really warm and sunny, blue skies - making the most of it as it won't last!

Summer reading - I have just bought (from a charity shop - where else?!)  "A Mislaid Magic" by someone called Joyce Windsor - never heard of her or it before, but it intrigued me - the author's description says that after her husband died, she "retreated to the Isle of Wight (a well known costa geriatrica) "to die", but by chance hit upon a flourishing and companionable community of writers.  Thus began one of the happiest periods of her life, which culminated in the publication of her first novel."

Also I picked up these two in the Poundland Shop -"Dearest Virginia - Love Letters from a Cavalry Officer in the South Pacific" - edited by the actress Gayle Hunnicutt, who is the daughter of the officer - and "Encompassing Britain - Painting at the Points of the Compass", a National Trust book by Peter Collyer - he has visited 32 points of the compass from the centre of Britain, and painted each one; the paintings are accompanied by the stories of his journeys and the people he met.  They both look interesting - it's amazing what turns up, brand new, in Poundland!  (These are both hardback books, with original cover prices of £14.99 and £27.50 respectively).

Larry - if you are a cheapskate, I am Mrs Scrooge!  I can't see any reason for not taking advantage of good offers - it's just common sense!

Rosemary

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Re: The Library
« Reply #5210 on: June 02, 2011, 12:20:38 PM »
Just received my update from the Austin public Library that included the books being read by the bookclubs in the various branch libraries and those books are the list of recommendations for Summer Reading - here is the list.

1.   The Jungle by Upton Sinclair
2.   The Wilderness World of John Muir by John Muir and edited by Edwin Way Teale
3.   The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon
4.   The Known World by Edward P Jones
5.   Waiting by Ha Jin
6.   The Sheltering Sky by Paul Bowles
7.   Animals Make Us Human by Temple Grandin
8.   Consider the Lobster and Other Essays by David Foster Wallace
9.   The Nine : Inside the Secret World of the Supreme Court by Jeffrey Toobin
10.   Parrot and Olivier in America by Peter Carey
11.   When You Are Engulfed in Flames by David Sedaris
12.   Tinkers by Paul Harding
13.   The Biographer's Tale by A.S. Byatt
14.   Let the Great World Spin by Colum McCann
15.   Special Topics in Calamity Physics by Marisha Pessl
16.   The Gathering by Anne Enright
17.   Love and Summer by William Trevor
18.   In the Woods by Tana French
19.   The Darling Dahlias and the Cucumber Tree by Susan Wittig Albert
20.   Half Broke Horses by Jeannette Walls
21.   Guacamole Dip by Daniel Reveles
22.   Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil by John Berendt
23.   Wild Swans by Jung Chang
24.   The Postmistress by Sarah Blake
25.   Women of the Silk by Gail Tsukiyama


And Next Monday Evening the Texas Book Festival and Texas Monthly is presenting an evening with H.W. Brands discussing his new book The Murder of Jim Fisk for the Love of Josie Mansfield: a Tragedy of the Gilded Age
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« Reply #5211 on: June 02, 2011, 02:46:55 PM »
Larry, we love Jefferson Bass.  Of course, he's sort of a neighbor in Knoxville.  We've heard him speak a couple of times here when he has a new book coming out - very entertaining.  You should read his nonfiction sometime, too.  ("He" is actually two people - Bill Bass and Bill Jefferson.  Bass is the anthropologist at the Univ of TN; Jefferson is the writer.)
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« Reply #5212 on: June 02, 2011, 02:56:10 PM »
Barb - I love these sorts of lists!  And I'm ashamed to say I haven't read a single one of these.

Rosemary

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« Reply #5213 on: June 02, 2011, 03:43:48 PM »
I've only read two or three.

ROSEMARY: "The only urban wildlife we have here are foxes and seagulls." And whatever bird flew out of that hedge. Do you know what it was? i'll bet if you keep your eyes open, you have more than you think.

"The foxes divide opinion - I like them but a lot of people don't." Alexander McCall Smith talksabout that in his Sunday Philosophy Club series set in Edinburgh. (his character likes them).

We have an urban wildlife problem -- a skunk that comes out at night. The other night, he sprayed right outside our windows, and the smell was so bad, we couldn't sleep. My son often encounters him when coming home from working all night, and is afraid of getting sprayed.

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« Reply #5214 on: June 02, 2011, 03:44:56 PM »
Pedlin and Lsarry: come tell us about your mysteries in The Mystery Corner.

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« Reply #5215 on: June 02, 2011, 04:08:16 PM »
Larry, where do you find free books at Barnes & Noble?  And are these regular books or ebooks?

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« Reply #5216 on: June 02, 2011, 04:36:54 PM »
Joan a couple of hints on your skunks - have you tried spreading a can of mothball flakes around the house -

You may have grubs in your lawn and skunks love them - so why not spread some lawn fertilizer that includes a grub removal - in fact June is when you can attack the grubs since other months the grubs are either dormant or past  the  stage and are the moths you see late summer and early fall.

I have also heard but never tried pouring ammonia at the foundation of the house near your windows.

Also, skunks shy from bright lights so why not put a motion flood light where your son leaves his vehicle to the door he enters - if nothing else he will at least see if there is a skunk in his path.

When my children were young I used to work at the Girl Scout Camp - bring my youngest with me and my oldest was away at Boy Scout Camp and of course my daughter was there at Camp but in a different unit - one afternoon I had time off and was sitting on my cot writing in my camp journal with one foot down on the small rag rug I had next to the cot - low and behold I felt something soft on my foot - thank goodness I did not move - a mama and 4 babies came trotting in and one of the babies sat on my foot - I was afraid to breath - but after mom nosed around they all waddled out - whew that was a close call.
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« Reply #5217 on: June 02, 2011, 04:43:47 PM »
P.S. has anyone a chased away raccoons - there is a rather large one that gets up on my roof and I am concerned it will start tearing into the roof shingles - I do not keep my garbage pails outside - they are in the garage - I saw this raccoon the other night and it is big one - didn't see if it has a family but I wouldn't be surprised if there are more. Anyone have any luck getting them to move on...
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« Reply #5218 on: June 02, 2011, 04:44:16 PM »
Bill Bass is exactly my age and we grew up neighbors in the same small town in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia.  He wound up in Knoxville because he got a teaching job at the university there.  We went to school together until I went off to boarding school.  His parents and my family were the best of friends until the last died, and Bill (I still have a hard time not thinking of him as "Billy") and I still exchange Christmas cards and that's about it.  I buy all of his books, of course;  as well as all of those about him or about his contributions to forensic science.  One thing we have in common that seems rather odd:  I lost 3 husbands to cancer and he has lost 2 wives to cancer and his third and present wife is battling that disease now.  Funny the coincidences in life.

Of your list, Barb, I have read quite a few and most recommend Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil for anyone who has missed it previously.  I most WANT to read The Nine.

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« Reply #5219 on: June 02, 2011, 05:21:46 PM »
I'm with you MaryPage on the "Nine..." but for me more like a read for this fall - I do want to read Parrot and Olivier and  Special Topics in Calamity Physics sounds like great fun. Daniel Reveles always writes an eye opening story with good humor and I have not read Guacamole Dip and so that will be my summer read for sure.

One of my favorites on the list was The Gathering - I thought her writing style was breathtaking.
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« Reply #5220 on: June 02, 2011, 06:04:32 PM »
It feels like a century at least since I read The Gathering.  I remember that I liked it, and that is absolutely all I remember.

I am currently reading "Divinity of Doubt, The God Question", by Vincent Bugliosi.  For any here who do not know who he is, he is a brilliant L.A. County District Attorney who has been an amazingly successful prosecutor (he did the Manson trial) and written a whole lot of real life books in which he argues a premise as though it were a court trial.  He does essentially the same thing here, but actually it is a little different because he is pitting theists against atheists with neither winning;  which sort of makes Deists or Agnostics take the prizes.  I should say, actually, that neither theists or atheists win, but they do both lose.

Bugliosi is the author of "Helter Skelter", which just about every one of us read back in the day.  He also wrote "Outrage: The Five Reasons Why O.J. Simpson Got Away With Murder" and a book on the supreme court called:  "No Island of Sanity" and another "The Betrayal of America" with foreword by Molly Ivins and has proved all of the conspiracy theories to be hogwash in his "The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" and I am dying to read his "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder."  He has a slew of other books to his credit, as well.  I am hugely enjoying "Divinity of Doubt", and wish so much Himself were still around to read it, for he would have liked it as well.

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« Reply #5221 on: June 02, 2011, 06:28:52 PM »
Were you one of those who voted for "Old Filth" for our June in-depth discussion?  What a delightful book!  Can't think of another adjective to better describe it. 

This morning we received word that the author, Jane Gardam is hard at work on her next novel, but will take some time to respond to our group's questions.  You don't want to miss this.  It's not too late to join us.   HERE

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« Reply #5222 on: June 02, 2011, 06:39:53 PM »
Have not yet acquired or read "Old Filth", and did not vote for it.  Actually, have suggested books from time to time, but never voted on one.  Why?  Because I do not tend, usually, to follow the discussions until after they are finished and/or I have read the book.  Something in my makeup prefers one beginning-to-end discussion, getting it started and done the same day, to dragging it out while reading along.  This is NOT a criticism, and pulleeze do not take it as such.  We are each of us different, and doing a book for days is like scratching fingernails down the old-time blackboards for weird old me.  I want to know what everyone thinks zap-zap, and then get on to some other topic.  Hope to read Old Filth one day.  Have stacks and stacks to get through first.

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« Reply #5223 on: June 03, 2011, 06:00:08 AM »
 Iread six of the books on the list.. Some of the entries are a surprise for sure.
Raccoons are very hard to discourage and all I can think of is there a tree overhanging your roof.. Possibly she has babies in the tree?? They are  not generally roof dwellers unless they are trying to get in and out of the house or a tree.
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« Reply #5224 on: June 03, 2011, 07:27:38 AM »
Mary, I looked up Bill Bass yesterday on his website and read quite a bit about him.  He certainly appears to be an interesting person in a very unpleasant, but necessary, field.  I am looking forward to reading more of his books.  Think I will ready them in the sequence he wrote them.

marijifay, on Friday I go to the Barnes & Noble website and type in Free Fridays in the search line and it usually takes me to that page.  Sometimes the books stay free for just that week, or at least it seems that way.

MaryPage, one of the things I found pleasant about Bill Bass was his obvious love and devotion for the wife he had lost.  I suppose this represented very much his feeling at one time.  Glad he found new companions but sorry to hear again cancer is impacting his life.
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« Reply #5225 on: June 03, 2011, 07:44:42 AM »
Ann, Bill's first wife and the mother of his boys, was introduced to him by my aunt Hilda!  I think I mentioned our families were thick.  I liked Ann a lot and have special memories of her youngest having playdates with my youngest at my grandmother's home (Grandma long gone by then) when Ann would go home to take care of one or the other of Bill's parents (Bill's "Dad" was really his uncle, his real father being long dead.) when they would suffer surgery or a long illness.  Finally, both moved down to Tennessee to live with the junior Basses.  My memories of that period include long phone conversations where Ann would put their phone on speaker and each would listen to my report of what was going on at home and then ask me questions.  I liked Ann a lot.  When she was undergoing chemotherapy, Bill went to every single session with her, busy as he was.  Every single one!  

But before you read any of Bill's books, I strongly suggest you read a book titled "BONES" by Dr. Douglas Ubelaker & Henry Scammell.  There is a lot about Bill in there.

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« Reply #5226 on: June 03, 2011, 09:27:18 AM »
Larry, I checked out that Free Fridays book thing at Barnes & Noble;  is it always only NOOK books?

I kind of sort of felt it would not be the real thing;  too much to ask!

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« Reply #5227 on: June 03, 2011, 10:58:05 AM »
Barb, the book SPECIAL TOPICS IN CALAMITY PHYICS was fun.  The first part was very funny in places, but after awhile her cleverness began to wear on me and got rather old as if she were trying too hard to be clever.  After the first half it was not compelling enough for me to finish the remaining 250 pages.

I read the first couple chapters of OLD FILTH, and can't say I'm finding it very interesting.  I'll give it a couple more, tho,' before I chuck it.

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« Reply #5228 on: June 03, 2011, 11:23:18 AM »
Marjifay, everybody seemed to like Old Filth so much that I thought I was really out of step.  Glad to hear somebody else had trouble, too.  I read some of it, then gave up.  Guess it's the old "chocolate and vanilla" thing.  ::)
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« Reply #5229 on: June 03, 2011, 11:35:31 AM »
Hmm I too am having a difficult time figuring out how to even respond with Old Filth - once I realized from the early posts there was a lot of childhood abandonment I was leery - but now after reading the prescribed pages, I see the book is riddled with the affects on an untreated adult from the very painful childhood of over and over experiencing the trauma of childhood abandonment - problem is to accept the book is about abandonment issues has nothing to do with blame and yet, that seems to be the suggestion that since the obvious abandonment issues were out of human control or carrying out the traditional behavior that justifies it or it is a sideline - I can't figure it out - fine justify but then there is nothing to talk about because the choices in life for the main character are so far all as a direct line to abandonment issues - so how does one even post... ah so...all said it is a very painful book to read. I suppose I should guts up and post these thoughts in the discussion - not yet feeling that brave this morning.
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« Reply #5230 on: June 03, 2011, 11:59:14 AM »
I read "Old Filth" with the same reactions and for about the same reasons the rest of you did - and because of the current discussion on the other site.  I seriously doubt that I'll be participating in the discussion, though.

After trying to participate in the discussion of "Major Pettigrew's Last Stand", I decided I do not care to analyze picky little details of a book that was obviously meant as entertainment - not "social comment".  I feel the same way about "Old Filth".  

Referring back to the comments on "The Nine"...
I've just started "Supreme Courtship", a satire on the selection of judges for the Supreme Court by Christopher Buckley.  He is a son of the late William Buckley, whose humor I always enjoyed.
The jacket blurb says, "If you've read The Brethren, The Nine, and other recent accounts of Supreme Court justices, you may think you know what goes on in the halls of America's highest court.  However, there are some truths only a great comic novelist can evoke.  ....(CB) tells all with brio and wit."
I've been chuckling on almost every page.   (Warning: Do NOT take this book seriously and, for goodness'sake, don't try to analyze it!!!!)

A copy of "The Nine" is waiting for me at the library.  I probably should have read it first.  :)

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« Reply #5231 on: June 03, 2011, 12:22:35 PM »
Callie, Barbara, Marjifay, Maryz - we've been waiting for your reactions to the opening chapters of Old Filth.  Please come in to the book discussion - and repost what you've written here.  Your viewpoints are important.  They provid balance.  They give us something to think about.  
If you are concerned that the author will be reading your comments,  please don't be.  She's in Kent, England - and will be responding to our questions by email.


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« Reply #5232 on: June 03, 2011, 01:23:15 PM »
Joan,   The book discussion choices on SeniorLearn take me in reading directions I would never think of on my own.  So I do enjoy "marking my spot" and reading the comments in the discussions.

I feel it's important to those who actively participate that each nuance of emotion be dissected and analyzed.  This also (sometimes) takes me in thought directions that would never have occurred to me because I just don't think that way.  

But most of the time, I just want to say, "Oh, forheavensake, lighten up!  It's fiction!!  The author had to put some sort of conflict in the character's life to get the plot going or there wouldn't be a story."


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« Reply #5233 on: June 03, 2011, 01:43:41 PM »
Callie, I laughed and laughed at "Supreme Courtship".  Wish I still had my copy I would pass it on to someone here, but I think I already passed it on to someone in my book group. (f2f).
I read "Old Filth" with the same reactions and for about the same reasons the rest of you did - and because of the current discussion on the other site.  I seriously doubt that I'll be participating in the discussion, though.

After trying to participate in the discussion of "Major Pettigrew's Last Stand", I decided I do not care to analyze picky little details of a book that was obviously meant as entertainment - not "social comment".  I feel the same way about "Old Filth".  

Referring back to the comments on "The Nine"...
I've just started "Supreme Courtship", a satire on the selection of judges for the Supreme Court by Christopher Buckley.  He is a son of the late William Buckley, whose humor I always enjoyed.
The jacket blurb says, "If you've read The Brethren, The Nine, and other recent accounts of Supreme Court justices, you may think you know what goes on in the halls of America's highest court.  However, there are some truths only a great comic novelist can evoke.  ....(CB) tells all with brio and wit."
I've been chuckling on almost every page.   (Warning: Do NOT take this book seriously and, for goodness'sake, don't try to analyze it!!!!)

A copy of "The Nine" is waiting for me at the library.  I probably should have read it first.  :)
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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Re: The Library
« Reply #5234 on: June 03, 2011, 02:16:31 PM »
Why should we spare the author? Authors enjoy and appreciate readers' opinions. Perhpas Old Filth is too 'English' for some. I think the book plumbs many depths, in a spirit of wicked wit, delicious irony, and sentimental twaddle. Best read for many a summer.

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« Reply #5235 on: June 03, 2011, 02:49:24 PM »
But most of the time, I just want to say, "Oh, forheavensake, lighten up!  It's fiction!!  The author had to put some sort of conflict in the character's life to get the plot going or there wouldn't be a story."   

Callie, that pretty much sums up my own emotions on that subject.

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« Reply #5236 on: June 03, 2011, 04:05:37 PM »
"Me three" on that, Callie!
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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« Reply #5237 on: June 03, 2011, 04:16:51 PM »
Has anybody read "Cutting for Stone?" a book group i sometimes participate in is going to discuss it and i'm wondering if i want to read it. Tell me both your pluses and minuses.

I just started Lorene Cary's "The Price of a Child". The first 50 pages have grabbed me. It's about an 1855 slave woman who walks away from her owner,  while traveling w/ him thru Philadelphia, into the arms of P's Vigilence Committee. I picked it up at the library bcs i liked Cary's first book "Black Ice" also set in Philly and it's historical fiction abt abolitionists caught my attention.

Jean

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Re: The Library
« Reply #5238 on: June 03, 2011, 06:21:23 PM »
Jonathan wrote:  Perhaps Old Filth is too 'English' for some.

I don't think anything could be too "English" for me!   I absolutely love every British author I've ever read, as well as British History.  A few years ago, I was absolutely green with envy when some friends rented a flat in London and spent a whole six weeks exploring all around.     

And I am so grateful for the discussion contributions of the ones who live in England.  Thank you, thank you, thank you!

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« Reply #5239 on: June 03, 2011, 08:04:30 PM »
CALLIE: "But most of the time, I just want to say, "Oh, forheavensake, lighten up!  It's fiction!! "

I think that very much gets to the point. For me, whether a deep discussion is worthwhile or not very much depends on the book. Not whether it's fiction or not, but how much there is TO it. Some books we've read, I feel we could discuss for a year and still be learning new things and getting new insights into history or human behavior. These have been the truly great discussions, and I wouldn't trade them for anything.


Others, not. What there is to see is right there and can be grasped quickly. Then a month's discussion is too much. These are better talked about in the library. The problem is, to identify those BEFORE we have read them. We haven't completely figured out how to do that, although I think we do a pretty good job.

It's great that we have two levels of discussion: the in-depth discussions we do in our monthly selections and the briefer mentions in such discussions as the Library, Fiction, our genre discussions. Often missing is the in-between, like a face-to-face book club where we talk in SOME detail about the book. I find it too tempting, when I'm busy, to just post "I read ------------ and I liked (didn't like) it", instead of taking a little time to give some of the meat of the book. But that's up to the individual posters.

Do any of you think of other ways of discussion that you would like to see?