Author Topic: The Library  (Read 2360370 times)

MaryPage

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12880 on: February 18, 2014, 05:17:08 PM »
Am a big time opera buff, but have not been to one for years now.  I do not care to go out at night.  For 18 years, I went to just about every opera staged at Wolf Trap Farm in Vienna, Virginia.  Nothing quite so wonderful.  Love operettas, too.

Had to have my computer whiz, a darling young fella named Alex, come by and give me an over all diagnosis this afternoon.  Yippee!  Am taking Anne & Greg out to dinner tonight to the Lemon Leaf here in Chestertown to celebrate.  Because I am going to get a new computer, mouse and keyboard here at work.  Will keep my monitor and printer.  He said he had never seen such an old mouse!  My hand has worn the name DELL off of it!  Well, mine and others before me.

Alex is 32, and says his brother is 4 years younger and cannot read cursive.  Alex says the first thing that hit his mind about the fact that kids graduating High School these days cannot was What in the world are they going to do about reading the Declaration of Independence?   That was the very first thing I thought of, too.  I just adore Alex.

Anyway, cursive is a conversion problem.  That is to say, when I got a new PC at home in 2009, only about 6 of my documents would not convert over to the new WORD.  Because the new WORD does not include the pretty scripts they used to have in the font list.  Because kids these days do not know how to read them.  I'm serious.  This IS NOT a joke!  So I lost those documents in the conversion process because I had used those really pretty fonts.  Remember Lucinda or something?  In script?  Alex says these fonts are still available, if you pay extra for them, but they are not automatically installed anymore.  We are on the cusp of a whole new world!  Goodbye forever, Palmer Method!

I urge you to get the double issue of THE NEW YORKER dated February 17 & 24.  It has the annual cartoon of Eustace Tilley on the cover.  This year he is made up of lit up skyscraper windows against a dark sky.  Go to page 60 and read THIS OLD MAN by Roger Angell.  You will laugh and you will cry.  And in the end, you will feel all the better for having experienced it.  I swear!

Frybabe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12881 on: February 19, 2014, 07:51:51 AM »

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12882 on: February 19, 2014, 08:40:43 AM »
Evita was on Broadway, so it tends toward a musical, but I love the music.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

mabel1015j

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12883 on: February 20, 2014, 12:37:53 PM »
Be a "library activist"!!!

http://www.the-broad-side.com/library-activism-and-womens-history-jennifer-lee

Not only is the story a good one that makes a good suggestion to all of us who go to the library, but this site "the broad side"  :P (great title ) looks like an interesting blog, informative, but not too radical - at least to my thinking.

Jean

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12884 on: February 21, 2014, 08:42:15 AM »
Sort of funny. I am a member of Friends of the Library ( no matter where I have lived), used to go all the time. However I seriously dislike the current library, although I support it as the only one there is.. It is over 50% cd's, dvd's,etc etc etc.. Only very very current books and the whole upstairs is basically a little research stuff, but mostly computers, a very nice genealogy section l( that I have used) and a huge section of law library ( no law school anywhere close, that one defeats me). We are getting a 3d printer... Sigh. My point is the childrens section has tons of books, the regular library, not so much and a good deal of chic lit ( not a favorite of mine) and best sellers.(boo). So I love the idea of libraries, but not fond of ours.
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MaryPage

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12885 on: February 21, 2014, 10:14:19 AM »
I'll bet someone died and left the library those law books.  And the library board felt they were too expensive a legacy to throw out.

jane

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12886 on: February 21, 2014, 10:39:43 AM »
A definite possibility, MaryPage, or a law firm donated them when they went to digital research.  The best sellers and women's fiction probably reflect the requests and circ stats as meeting the needs of the adult library users.

I hope you make written or online requests for the titles you'd like to have them buy.

Frybabe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12887 on: February 21, 2014, 10:44:28 AM »
Steph, I haven't been to the main library, but our branch is also loaded with children's books and current best sellers. We have four computers for people to use, but one is dedicated to the library catalog only. Our DVD/CD section is moderate. We don't have a lot of room in our little branch to keep things not being checked out. In fact, they have a look at book usage and pull anything that hasn't been checked out in a while (18months, I think). We just don't have the room to keep the older books.

I had asked, a few weeks ago, why all the other libraries in the county systems were stand alone and ours was only a branch. The answer was that they didn't have the budget for another stand alone library. We are therefore subject to the main library's whims. They are located in a more wealthy area and have a nice big building with lots of things going on. We are located in our local township building and subject to their hours, etc. as well. It feels like we are the poor relative, kind of.

Goodness, thunder. I guess that means we'll have good spring crops like peas, according to my memory of an Old Farmer's Almanac from years ago.

JoanP

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12888 on: February 21, 2014, 05:42:02 PM »
You may have noticed we've just opened the   Blue Highways Prediscussion - already it looks like a fun discussion.  We'll use William Least Heat-Moon's best selling travel accountl as a jumping off point to share our own travel experiences on the back roads, the blue highways of America.  Even if you don't have the book, please come share your road trips... We're looking for what Ginny calls,  "vicarious armchair traveling."  Hope you'll join us!

Pedln, looking for you to hear what your dentist said of this book...

Tomereader1

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12889 on: February 21, 2014, 07:56:31 PM »
Please see my post in Fiction Old & New-Best Sellers and make recommendations or comments!
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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Frybabe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12890 on: February 22, 2014, 07:36:10 AM »
Something to lighten your day from The Comic English Grammar: A New And Facetious Introduction to the English Tongue, by Percival Leigh with illustrations by the famed John Leech(1845).

A, was Apollo, the god of the carol,
B, stood for Bacchus, astride on his barrel;
C, for good Ceres, the goddess of grist,
D, was Diana, that wouldn't be kiss'd;
E, was nymph Echo, that pined to a sound,
F, was sweet Flora, with buttercups crown'd;
G, was Jove's pot-boy, young Ganymede hight,
H, was fair Hebe, his barmaid so tight;
I, little Io, turn'd into a cow,
J, jealous Juno, that spiteful old sow;
K, was Kitty, more lovely than goddess or muse;
L, Lacooon—I wouldn't have been in his shoes!
M, was blue-eyed Minerva, with stockings to match,
N, was Nestor, with grey beard and silvery thatch;
O, was lofty Olympus, King Jupiter's shop,
P, Parnassus, Apollo hung out on its top;
Q, stood for Quirites, the Romans, to wit;
R, for rantipole Roscius, that made such a hit;
S, for Sappho, so famous for felo-de-se,
T, for Thales the wise, F. R. S. and M. D:
U, was crafty Ulysses, so artful a dodger,
V, was hop-a-kick Vulcan, that limping old codger;
Wenus-Venus I mean-with a W begins,
(Veil, if I ham a Cockney, wot need of your grins?)
X, was Xantippe, the scratch-cat and shrew,
Y, I don't know what Y was, whack me if I do!
Z was Zeno the Stoic, Zenobia the clever,
And Zoilus the critic, whose fame lasts forever.

Also found on Project Gutenberg, this morning, The Comic History of England by À Beckett, Gilbert Abbott. Illustrations also by John Leech (1894).

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12891 on: February 22, 2014, 09:03:38 AM »
No, I checked, the law library is because of the community college that we share the building with.They use it for research and it is totally up to date and on line as well. That is the biggest problem in the library. We have one two story area on the end of the community college.The county loves the idea, but for library users.. not so much. No matter how many signs you put up, there is rarely any close parking for the elderly or small children people. The students refuse to walk, so take up the guest spots which is forbidden, but nothing happens as far as I can see. No tickets.. We have close to 40 computers.. for general use.. Again because of the college and our upstairs non fiction, etc is designed for and used by the college as are the carrels.. We have no main library in this county.. Just large enough towns have one.. Most of the towns( not Clermont, where I live) also kick in money and have longer hours and more stuff, but I live in a town that has no use for the library.. So.. no money for it.
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JeanneP

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12892 on: February 22, 2014, 01:30:11 PM »
I suppose the figure that the Library is a privilege for the seniors to use but the Students are the ones paying Tuition which is pretty high now even in Community Colleges. We have a great one here but lucky to have 2 big libraries . Now does the college have its own student library or is this considered theirs?

We can also get books by request from the University of Illinois big Library . Mind you Taxes on homes etc very high around this area. Part of it goes to library.

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12893 on: February 23, 2014, 09:58:54 AM »
No, the library is totally shared by both public and students. So we keep hours that the college keeps,, so only open on Friday and Saturday until 1 and not at all on Sunday.Which is hard on a lot of people here, since they both workd. I fought hard several years ago, but we lost the battle for a separate library.. We would not have needed one, but the county took over the building and then put no mone y in it and it got moldy and got condemned. Whew... wha t a crock.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Octavia

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12894 on: February 23, 2014, 10:27:20 PM »
I really miss going to the Library, we have 2 here in Rocky, and they're pretty good.  Someone said they thought there was home delivery, so I'm going to check it out, but I do love browsing the shelves myself, and finding a book that I turn out to love, even though I'd never heard of it before.
My gripe today is pornographic music clips, played early Saturday morning on the ABC of all channels, the one that shows the most cartoons and kid's programs. I thought I was pretty liberal, I grew up with 'Elvis the Pelvis', and the Rolling Stones and all those bands. I thought I'd seen it all but one all girl clip in particular, just sickened me, the girls were playing with their genitals and wiggling their backsides in open invitations. I thought if anybody's preteen daughter or son was watching that, they'd think that was acceptable and normal.  After all it was Saturday morning, in the time slot that goes side by side with Bananas in Pyjamas, and the Wiggles.
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Sir Terry Pratchett.

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12895 on: February 24, 2014, 08:29:06 AM »
How sad. I am afraid that I totally ignore the little girl singers who need desperately to get attention, so act like s---- to get the newspeople to watch them.Sad little things. They equate looking with real and lastin fame.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Tomereader1

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12896 on: February 24, 2014, 03:25:46 PM »
Can I get some input here on a couple of books/authors?  Our f2f book group seems to be having a hard time coming up with selections that "all" the members want to read.  Right now, we are all worn out by dysfunctional families/dystopian tales.  Not looking for cozies or romance, but good novels with good writing. *STILL TRYING TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS, SO REPOSTING THIS WITH ADDENDUM.
Has anyone read "The Burgess Boys"  by Elizabeth Strout?  "House on Tradd Street" by Karen White? "The Shoemaker's Wife, Adriana Trigiani and also her "Big Stone Gap"?  All responses will be appreciated.
Trying to get recommendations for my f2f book group.  It can't be too current or the library won't have enough copies available; no romances.
Good, well-written novel without family dysfunction or dystopian plots; not "fantasy". No vampires, werewolves, zombies.  Really limiting myself, aren't I?  Sorry 'bout that.  Suggest several if you will, and I will let you know if we've read them, or if I'm gonna pass on the suggestions.  Well, that didn't sound right... pass the suggestions ON to the Group! LOL
Thanks.
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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salan

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12897 on: February 24, 2014, 04:47:34 PM »
Tomereader,  I think Adriana Trigianni would be a good choice.  My ftf group also enjoyed Hotel

 on the Corner of Bitter & Sweet, The Art of Racing in the Rain, Prayers for Sale--just to name a few.
Sally

ursamajor

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12898 on: February 24, 2014, 05:01:34 PM »
My book group also read At The Corner of bitter and Sweet and it generated a good discussion.  This year we have read To Kill a Mockingbird and the House at Tyneford, which is reminiscent of Downton Abbery.  We are planning The Light between the Oceans, which is a good choice and Flight Behavior by Barbara Kingsolver.  All of these are good solid books, with no werewolves or vampires (I don't care to read about them either).

Tomereader1

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12899 on: February 24, 2014, 06:06:19 PM »
We've read "Hotel at the Corner...",  "Art of Racing..."; To Kill a Mockingbird and Light Between Oceans".  I think Flight Behavior might be good, but acquiring copies might be problematic, as we get them from the libraries.
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


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maryz

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12900 on: February 24, 2014, 06:40:52 PM »
Tome, have you read any of the Pat Conroy books?  I've loved The Great Santini, The Lords of Discipline, and South of Broad.
"When someone you love dies, you never quite get over it.  You just learn how to go on without them. But always keep them safely tucked in your heart."

ursamajor

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12901 on: February 25, 2014, 08:40:40 AM »
Our book club has read, or is going to read, some very good discussion books.  Last year we did The Corner of Bitter and Sweet about the incarceration of Japanese residents, and this year we have read The House at Tyneford and To Kill a mockingbird.  We are going to discuss (and I have already read) The Light between oceans, Defending Jacob, and Flight Behavior.  Any of these would be a good choice.

Steph

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12902 on: February 25, 2014, 08:59:23 AM »
Southerners will love Pat Conroy, possibly people from other parts of the country, maybe not. I think that Adriana writes well. We just finished Defending Jacob and had a really truly good discussion.  If you like mysteries.. I just finished a book by Linda Castillo, which is not only a mystery, but a lot of information on the Amish.. Could generate a good discussion on this religion and how it affects their everyday life.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

pedln

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12903 on: February 25, 2014, 10:55:20 AM »
THe Light Between Oceans is an excellent choice for a book discussion group, as is also, The Shoemaker's Daughter by Trigliani.  My f2f group read the latter and really had a good discussion. We've also enjoyed some Linda Castillo books about the AMish.

One I always recommend and nobody seems to have heard of it is Eternal on the Water by New Hampshire write Joseph Monniger.  Just a sleeper, found in the library, with characters you can't help but like.

Tomereader1

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12904 on: February 25, 2014, 11:07:00 AM »
Thanks for all the recommendations.  (We do have a separate Mystery Book Club, and I was searching for books for our General Book Club.)  I will do some research on that "Eternal On The Water" and see if our libraries have copies.  I think most of our group either in our "own" group, or other groups (some members belong to at least 2 other book clubs) have done the Pat Conroy books.  While "Defending Jacob" interests me,  I have intended to read it, but for this purpose it seems like it might be too close to the "dysfunctional family" genre that we are trying to stay away from, at least for awhile.
The reading of a fine book is an uninterrupted dialogue in which the book speaks and our soul replies.


André Maurois

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12905 on: February 25, 2014, 03:54:24 PM »
Here are three oldies, does it have to be a new book?

The three best discussions, no I'll say 4 we've ever had in a book club were on:

The House of Mr. Biswas
The House of Sand and Fog
Brideshead Revisited
and
The Rime of the Ancient Mariner

No joke. I still remember every one of them.

Steph

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« Reply #12906 on: February 26, 2014, 08:42:41 AM »
I loved Brideshead, but as I recall, it was when it was also on PBS, so a lot of people were watching it as well.The others are not anything I participated in.
There is an older book that I loved and sent copies to a lot of people over the years.. Book Marks also liked it. A coming of age story ( not dysfunctional) The Cheerleader by Ruth Doan Macdougal. This is an older book and is available in used book places like  Thrift books, but I doubt if libraries have it. But for our age group, it will ring so many bells on our high school experiences .
Stephanie and assorted corgi

Octavia

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12907 on: February 26, 2014, 09:18:53 PM »
I nearly bought The Light Between Oceans, it was a toss up between that and Echoes of Memory by the Irish poet, John O'Donohue. The poetry won out and I'm not sorry, it's so beautiful.
I've just been reading the Australian version of The Guardian, and there was an article about which children's books made you cry, while reading them to your children. I thought don't get me started on sad books, I can shed tears just thinking about the titles :(
One lady said she cried reading the ending of Charlotte's Web, and she hated spiders!
Mine has always been the death of Judy in Seven Little Australians.
I do remember tearing up too, when Matthew died in Anne of Green Gables.


They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Sir Terry Pratchett.

MaryPage

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« Reply #12908 on: February 27, 2014, 07:03:39 AM »
Oh, me too.  Darling Matthew.

Steph

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« Reply #12909 on: February 27, 2014, 08:53:43 AM »
It was always dogs and horses that made me cry.. Black Beauty, My Friend Flicka, Misty,, etc etc. Oh me.. Animals need to live forever and they don't.. My granddaughter on the other hand had and still has a passion for Horton... I read that story so many times to her, that I could repeat it word for word and so could she.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

JeanneP

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12910 on: February 27, 2014, 05:52:55 PM »
Any books or films with death or cruelty to animals, made and still does have me crying.

rosemarykaye

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12911 on: February 28, 2014, 05:34:44 AM »
Good morning all,

This is just a brief message to let you know that I have not gone AWOL - I have moved house, and had neither broadband, TV nor hot water (I have had a lot of icy showers!) for over 2 weeks.  These things are now all sorted, but of course there is still a lot to do.  Nevertheless, we are enjoying being in the city, and I have been researching all the many free events that are offered at the National Galleries, the library, various bookshops, the university and so on - there is masses on offer, so I am easily distracted from the joy of unpacking boxes and looking for new curtains :-)

I hope everyone is well, and I hope soon to be fully operational!

Best wishes,

Rosemary

Frybabe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12912 on: February 28, 2014, 07:31:45 AM »
Two weeks without hot water, Rosemarykay? Shiver, shiver, shiver! I'm glad to hear things are pretty much sorted now.

Steph

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« Reply #12913 on: February 28, 2014, 07:44:39 AM »
Rosemary, Enjoy, I do envy you the resources of a large vibrant city. I have been there twice and loved it . It has such vitality.
Stephanie and assorted corgi

marjifay

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12914 on: February 28, 2014, 10:51:53 AM »
Wow, Rosemary -- two weeks without hot water!  Hard to imagine.  You are lucky, tho,' to have book stores.  Most of them in our area have disappeared.

Marj
"Without books, history is silent, literature dumb, science crippled, thought and speculation at a standstill."  Barbara Tuchman

Octavia

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12915 on: February 28, 2014, 07:19:03 PM »
 Steph and Jeanne, I'm with you 100 percent, re cruelty to animals. My sister always wants to talk about the abuse of animals, but I just can't bear it. She thinks I'm insensitive.
Now the Guardian has triggered more memories, by asking which children's books could you bear to read to your kids over and over. Where to begin?  Dr. Seuss, Hairy Maclary, Richard Scarry, The BFG, Playing Beatie Bow. Heaps more. Too many to write down.
Rosemary, I've been there, and you definitely have my sympathy. I've also bathed in cold creeks, and waterholes. In murky water I always lived in fear of crawchies nibbling on my toes. My husband thought it was hilarious, no sympathy to be had there. I could have sworn there was something about 'cherish' in our wedding vows.
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Sir Terry Pratchett.

MaryPage

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« Reply #12916 on: February 28, 2014, 07:28:48 PM »
An icy shower would give me a heart attack.  I am completely serious here, not joking around at all, at all.
Back in the day, by which I mean World War II, when most homes with central heat in this country were heated by coal, and coal "went to war" and no home could get enough of it to provide heat all through the winters, and no heat in the furnace meant no hot water, as well, because most hot water heaters consisted of boilers attached to and depending upon the furnace, and were not separate hot water heaters as most all are today, well my grandmother closed off the house and heated only our huge kitchen at the back of the house.  She heated this with an old fashioned wood burning cooking range.  For my bath, she would put newspapers on the floor under a bath mat in front of the kitchen sink.  Kettles would be boiling away on the range, and a basin would be filled with hot and cold water until just right.  I would wet myself with a washcloth, soap all over, rinse off with the washcloth, rinse yet again, and dry quickly.  Grandma would be reading a magazine or newspaper at the kitchen table, with her back to me, but always ready to be of assistance.  We slept in cold bedrooms, but hey, it was warmer than being out of doors.  We had comfortable beds and pillows with plenty of blankets, quilts and comforters.  I quite liked it, and still prefer a cool bedroom.  Hairwashing was a big deal in those days.  This was before detergents were invented, and all shampoo was soap based.  It was hard to rinse out of the hair, and long hair was the rule.  On top of that, washing your hair was considered bad for you if you had a cold or any type of illness or indisposition.  Washing more than once a week was an extravagant overindulgence, and most people did not shampoo that often!  Dandruff was rampant, and no one realized you could get rid of it with frequent washing.  Scheesch!  When I remember our ignorance, I shudder!  Anyway, I used to shampoo on Saturday mornings and Grandma would open the oven door of that wood burning range and put newspapers down on the open door itself and I would face that and hold my head down toward it and flip my hair over my face and run my hands through it until the heat dried it.  They were afraid, you see, that wet hair would lead to illness!  

Octavia

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« Reply #12917 on: February 28, 2014, 07:47:26 PM »
MaryPage, that's a lovely snapshot of that time. At boarding school I remember being told off by Matron for having wet hair at bedtime. And the constant 'girls, girls, don't sit on damp concrete, you'll ruin your kidneys'. I found out in my outback life with my road building husband, that my kidneys were made of sterner stuff :)
As a child on a sheep station, we had a chip heater. My sister and I would have to gather small sticks to feed the heater. I was terrified of its coughing and spluttering and spitting out boiling water.
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Sir Terry Pratchett.

JoanP

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« Reply #12918 on: February 28, 2014, 10:06:06 PM »
Amazing stories!

I came in this evening to let you know that we're going to have to postpone the start of the Blue Highways discussion until Monday morning, March 3.  Blame the limited  28 days in February.  There was a domino effect on the whole schedule.  More time for you to pack for the trip, right?

We are hoping that you will join us then and share your experiences on America's blue highways...non-Interstate, that is. 

JeanneP

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Re: The Library
« Reply #12919 on: February 28, 2014, 10:58:12 PM »
With all we put up with years ago. Cold baths. No heat in winter . People in UK during war years burned all wooden cupboards,,furniture. doors  anything to get heat. But I do believe now that we were better doing some of the things. Skins were better. Hair healthier. We didn't catch colds as easy. Only black bread. Vegetables. Fish to eat.If the boats could go out. No candy. Soda unheard of. People not over weight.
My parents did not want me out in the rain when having that time of the month. When I was even a teenager. Not wash hair.  Mom use to come visit me here when I was in my thirties and still tried doing same thing.   So funny now.
There are millions of people still living that way. We are just spoiled.  (Thank G-D.)