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Tomereader1

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23720 on: January 17, 2024, 11:28:58 PM »
Barb, what was the brand name on the thermal dog crate pad? There were so many of them, and a few were in the $26 range.  If you're happy with yours, I might get one for me.  I'm assuming you got this from Amazon?
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23721 on: January 18, 2024, 10:58:42 AM »
I have to giggle at the mentioning of a freebie book from Amazon because I decided to read my free book of the month from Amazon Prime called Halfway to You by Jennifer Gold.  I have to agree the quality of the writing lately in these types of books has much to be desired.  The authors are now using slang social media words, or should I say made up words, rather than take the time to use proper grammatical words.  This is a light read after Sarah's Key, so I won't mind it.  I am already intrigued with the protagonist who is an elderly lady who has written only one fictional book and agreed to be interviewed by a young and upcoming journalist.  She said her personal life is off limits, which can only make us wonder what it is she does not want known.   

Barb, your heating pet pad sounds wonderful, I happened to find a Hallmark Christmas couch throw for only $20 at a new store called B2 that opened near us before Christmas.  It is huge and so warm I can't keep it on for too long.  One side is solid white, so I am keeping it out all winter.  I have not read La Storia: Five Centuries of the Italian American Experience by Jerre Gerlando Mangione and Ben Morreale Mangione.  I looked for it on Amazon and a hard cover was listed for $34 which is more than I want to spend, so I found it in good condition at Thrift Books for only $8.  It is on its way!! Thank you for the heads up.

The snow is falling today, and they are predicting a total snowfall of possibly up to 7 inches from today and tomorrow. My daughter has lived in Florida for over 25 years, so she considers herself a Floridian, she calls me to see how I am fairing the minus degree wind chill factor temps and has shared that Florida has been cold as well. 40 degrees to them is comparable to our minus degrees.  I suppose you Texans feel the same.  Stay warm, stay in and enjoy your reading.

Ciao~ Bellamarie 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23722 on: January 18, 2024, 03:03:18 PM »
Here you go...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097MZH5BX?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

I sit on my sofa like someone would lie down for a nap - with my legs up and pillows leaning on the arm behind me - I am able to have this Pet Pad under my seat with enough to fold over the hip and thigh that is exposed to a draft I cannot for the life of me figure out where it comes from - but with a quilt over me that holds this new pet pad in place and is a general warming blanket I have now been comfortably able to watch TV. Yes I'm facing the screen which by the way is gigantic - the people who sold the house left it - I believe they were moving to a retirement home and I am guessing this was too big for their new living quarters much less being able to move it - it is at least 6 ft, yes 6 feet across and could be even a bit larger than that - it allows me to watch all the movies from amazon - unbelievable

I had ordered a used copy of  Living with the Stars: How the Human Body is Connected to the Life Cycles of the Earth, the Planets, and the Stars and it arrived - anxious to get into it - I heard how we are made of stars in that not only has the dust from exploding stars landed on earth but we have had a few bang into earth during the times before man although, that is even now contested when man did start to inhabit but anyhow, with the dust and stars disintegrating on the earth our dirt fields have been plowed and food grown that we eat plus the air we breath contains the dust of exploding stars  --- as to age - there was the ancient remains of a dock or wharf found in South American submerged in some lake that was obviously man made and when they timed the material they found it put mankind here on earth during the time of the dinosaurs.

With so many questions always swimming in my head I keep thinking like you, frybabe I should have a way to hear a book as well as, read but then I get too impatient when someone is reading because it is so slow compared to just reading it myself and so my habit of having several books in progress at the same time appears to be what will continue. All to say I'm half way with The Highland Hens and it is as much fun a story as all of Judy Leigh's stories - Two in their 80s and the third just arriving who is age 59 - the two older 'hens' are widows of very wealthy men where as this younger 'hen' was recently divorced but an amiable divorce. She and her ex were the successful owners of an Inn.

The oldest of the 'hens' is age 88, was a song and dance stage actress in London who is now remembering and reliving her past having pulled out costumes and although exhausts herself in the process is dancing, kicking high, singing through her days and her friend age 82, comes several days a week was a model in London photographed all over the world. Together they mostly shop and go to lunch at the best restaurants reliving their past - The oldest 'hen' has 4 middle age sons, 3 sons live in the huge house with her, one had an accident and is in a wheelchair, each has their own quarters, with a typical afternoon especially when all 4 are present, they with their mother are all singing and dancing the tunes from one of the musicals their mother performed around the kitchen table - a younger women, who is day help is always shocked and put out with their behavior threatening to quit because none of them keep a normal life with regular hours.

The read is a bit of a lark - so well written you can happily ignore the writing and see the story as if sitting in the room watching and hearing all that is going on...
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23723 on: January 19, 2024, 03:38:13 AM »
Bellamarie, what a surprise! The other day, I was thinking of you, and the bird pictures you shared with us when everyone was going stir-crazy with the confinement and uncertainty of Covid.

You certainly earned the sweetness you are now enjoying, with your loving, careful care of your children, and of your day care children too.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23724 on: January 20, 2024, 06:50:05 PM »
Pat, thank you for your kind words.  I have thought about you and your sister Joan so often.  How is she doing?  From your posts it sounds like you had a perfect Christmas with family.  What are you presently reading? 

My home is pretty quiet since I retired my day care, hubby retired and my grandchildren are all so much older now, but our precious little 18-month-old great grandson Haze keeps us laughing each Friday when we go to spend the day with him while my granddaughter/his mom works from home.  We take him to an inside playland, or a park nearby, and of course a library which he loves the play area there for little ones his age.  We fit in lunch and then back home to his mom for his afternoon nap.  Needless to say, we are exhausted and ready for a nap too by the time we get home from our forty-minute drive after such an active day.

I've been wondering about Jonathon, has anyone heard from him, how he is doing, and does he still post in here? 

Barb and Tome, how are you two fairing the cold in Texas?  We had our most snowfall on Friday and are expected to be into the 40's this week.  I stayed in my home for a solid week and just got out today to go to my granddaughter's basketball game.  It felt good to be out among people.  I hope everyone is staying warm and safe.

Ciao~  Bellamarie   

   
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23725 on: January 21, 2024, 09:36:09 PM »
Bellamarie, you may recall that after her husband died JoanK moved to Torrance in Los Angeles to be near her daughter and grandchildren.  Her son Dan went with her. Eventually she bought a condo, and when Dan married, his wife joined them, where the three still live.  Her daughter lives nearby with whichever of her sons haven't left the nest.  She's not very mobile now, uses a wheelchair and stays home unless taken somewhere.  but she still haas fun, reading a lot, watching sports and other things on TV, and being visited a lot by friends and relatives.

In August my daughter Suzanne and I flew down and the two of us twins celebrated our 90th birthday together, along with most of the grandsons and others.  That was a lot of fun.

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« Reply #23726 on: January 23, 2024, 02:17:08 AM »
thanks Pat for the update on Joan - I knew Joan lived now on the west coast but did not realize she was living with her son and his wife - sounds like a great arrangement and so glad there is other family nearby  - And I did not realize we were the same age - I turned 90 last January and in another week will be 91 - cannot even compute I am that old - how about you - it is like the years come and go -

Ah the weather - not sure about you Bellamarie or Pat living north but we have gone from freezing ice and temps in the teens and 20s to temps in the 60s and 70s but torrents of rain - rain ditches in front are full to almost over flowing but thank goodness the breaks in the rain have been as if timed just enough to allow the ditches to empty. Reminds me of a poem we used to chant as kids this time of year... forgot it all but it starts...

When that I was and a little tiny boy,
  With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
A foolish thing was but a toy,
  For the rain it raineth every day.

But when I came to man's estate,
  With hey, ho, the wind and the rain,
'Gainst knaves and thieves men shut the gate,
  For the rain it raineth every day.

A couple of more stanzas that kept the hey, ho, the wind and the rain also the rain it raineth every day.

And so now rather than freezing we are getting drenched as soon as we open the door... from the weather map it appears Joanne is experiencing a warmup with rain as well... We'll see if this is the start of the Spring rains or we could still have another cold snap in February

OK I would have thought by now I would have heard about most things or thoughts - not enough to know all about the 'thing' or 'thought' but at least heard of it ... well was I wrong... Mouth dropped so often in the last couple of days if it were summer there would have been a beehive set up in the gapping

OK the mouth droppers - never imagined eye drops could cause a lung infection - yep, new eye drops that not only caused my lungs to act up so that antibiotics was the only solution but also caused Montezuma's Revenge. sheesh from EYE DROPS - can you believe - new eye drops for glaucoma that cost a fortune since they are new there is yet no generic version and then, they cause this mess... sheesh... Obviously feeling better or I would still not be posting...

Since I saw that documentary over a week ago now that showed the early alphabet scratched on rocks similar to how hieroglyphics or images were scratched on rocks - at the same time I became more curious about northern Europe culture that led me to learn more about Runes than I ever imagined - and so I've been on a trail of discovery - shocked, yep another mouth dropper to learn there is a philosophy of language - not just the history but a philosophy!?!

And then the more I read about Runes after learning it was not just a bunch of stones with symbols that people used to attempt to divine the future but these symbols on stones was an early alphabet or words for these northern groups that include Germanic people as well as Scandinavian - I have learned there is no Rosetta stone so to speak and so there is no exact way to translate the runes but by using other archeological finds and piecing them together to learn about the life at the time they are using this path to understanding runes.

Well this is when it got whicky - it seems with the connection to the Germanic people all this early language is caught up in both myth and a bit later the Bible --- well it seems Hitler used bits and pieces and actually altered early Germanic myths to feature and explain the Nazi movement and so today some are saying What supremacy is all about resurrecting the Nazi movement and therefore, even Amazon is no longer carrying many of the books written about runes and about the early Germanic myths - I found a book company in California where I could and did order an ebook of one of the Cleary's books about runes - Interesting enough there are books written about the history, myths  and runes from what we today label conservative authors and just as much written but known liberal philosophers like Johann Gottlieb Fichte who followed the idealism of Kent - there is only one book left on Amazon by both Cleary who specialized in the study of the runes, ancient northern tribes and their myths and Fichte a German Philosopher. Both of their other books are listed but none available.

At first it did not hit me as unusual till I found the books in these other book stores like Abe and the Counter Currents - and then reading the  intro to the Cleary book learning how all this is tied to what some today call White Supremacy - I was aghast - Simple curiosity could be an act of agreeing with the current label and here I had to turn to another source to purchase the book - and then, learned all this is tied into Wagner's Operas the Ring Cycle that was hijacked by the Nazi's for their Germanic what - I guess identity or heritage or whatever that they could solidify themselves around --- sheesh and all I am curious about is how language in one part of the world originated from a different source than the hieroglyphics that became the alphabet in another part of the world and then where the similarities exist so that both the written word and religion could be shared and understood by both those who inhabited the northern regions and those who lived near the Mediterranean.

Another mouth opener - the whole notion of what mankind in the time before Christ understood the 'world' to mean...

The term itself is Germanic, and comes from the Old English weorold: wer, which means “man” + eald, meaning “age.” So that “world” literally means “age of man” or “man age.”

The belief, understanding of the world is not nature or the planet: it is all of this that can be cognitively interpreted by us. Our ancient ancestors lived in a world—a “man age”—that was a response of the spirit of the people to their circumstances and surroundings. Not so much a form of “thinking,” as a way of being in, dwelling, 'Being' of human beings. Dwelling is in earth, sky, gods, and mortals. The earth shelters but it also conceals. We live upon it but we look to the sky as an emblem of our aspirations. The earth as the sky were ultimate horizons in which everything appears and light from the sun reveals all that is concealed including our ideals which are the gods.

It is like our inner selves is manifested in the observable and it goes on to explain what is concealed is the life force of those who passed and the light from the sun reveals all that is concealed so that mortals existence is fleeting however they live, dwell on mountain tops or beyond in the sky - later this thought is carried on and called heaven by Judaeo-Christians.

It hit me as I was reading and learning all this it reminded me of how Native American's are beyond thinking as if it could be changed - they too believe the past is part of the present and those who pass are here among us so that to read some literature by those Native American's who are telling stories from their way of life we miss so much because our way of seeing life is linear where as to a Native American it is circular and now I am seeing this circular way of looking at life is all inclusive so that the belief we dwell in and are a part of the earth, sky, gods and mortals 

Reminds me of something I read recently about gardening where it was saying we no longer look at nature for nature's sake but only what it can do for us - we label it unkempt or shabby if nature is not controlled to our design and taste - it is as if we are the all and nature is here to serve us... I'm getting that message from the explanation the ancients had of the world - we are only and equally a part of - ingrained in --- Well that could open a whole dialogue couldn't it as to if from gods we have one God and if earth the sky, God and Mortals hold equal status under the light that reveals that which is hidden.

wow... I can see all sorts of thinking agreeing and disagreeing - I guess that is what philosophy is all about - discussing with no real conclusion questions of life, God, earth, sky, etc... and then of Language??? now that I am not seeing yet, but evidently it is a philosophy.

Well rain for the next two days - days I can read more while getting myself back to health - yes, using my old eye drops - who would have guessed what eye drops can affect...

“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23727 on: January 23, 2024, 07:00:22 AM »
Gosh, Barb, that is an awful lot to digest.

Sorry to hear about the eyedrops and your infection. I didn't realize it also affected prescription eye drops. Don't they do proper clinical studies anymore before releasing these things, or are we all now considered unsuspecting guinea pigs? That is certainly the impression I have been getting lately, and not just about eyedrops.

I have never been much interested in reading about Runes and/or the very early societies. I did know about the Nazis taking Norse/Scandinavian myths and promoting their own version of them. There is some history there due to the great migrations southward by several Scandinavian groups in the very early medieval time period (formerly designated Dark Ages) who spread out into Europe and Eastern Europe. I did not know that they were trying to create a origin history to support Nazism via Runes. It should not have been surprising to read your report. The thought that honest research may be or has been perverted by later "experts" to support a current political agenda is disturbing. I am afraid that early good research is being thrown out
without bothering to check what the author's affiliations are/were. Surely not all authors were writing/rewriting history for a political agenda. When/where did the Nazi ideology come from anyway? They seem to have cobbled together a lot of different things to puff themselves up. Why? A collective inferiority complex? Even more disturbing is that other scientists/philosophers/groups are likely do have done the same the to their own research gain favor or rewards from the political elite throughout the ages. This could go way back to Plato and what is truth and what is honesty, etc. Oh, I did so hate studying Plato and his never ending arguments that seemed to circle back to the beginning question without a definitive conclusion. 

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« Reply #23728 on: January 23, 2024, 12:45:59 PM »
Pat, thank you for the update on Joan, I'm so happy to hear she is with family and still enjoying reading, tv and going out with others.  How exciting it must have been for the two of you to get to spend your 90th birthday together.  Wow, 90 years old/young and Barb about to turn 91, I can only pray I will be blessed not only to see my 90s, but to be as cognitive as you all three are. Maybe there is something to be said about keeping the mind active with reading and discussions with others.  I always loved Joan's intellectual posts, and have to admit I was extremely impressed with your job Pat, with the NIH or was it the NAS?  My Goddaughter works there now. 

Barb, The Runes were never something I ever had much interest in, but listening to all your discoveries and rabbit holes you are going down makes me wonder how not just the Nazis, but other cultures and groups used different means of communication in the early ages to expand yet keep hidden their agenda of gaining power and furthering their evil. The Morse code is the first I ever learned to be used to scramble information so the enemy would not know exact points of location or communications.

Frybabe, "I am afraid that early good research is being thrown out without bothering to check what the author's affiliations are/were." I personally try to research a person as best as possible today to know more about their affiliations which will give some insight as to possible narratives or agendas for their viewpoints, conclusions or theories.  In what we call "The Information Ages" due to the internet it does make it so much more accessible to at least attempt to get some kind of background on people, especially if they have written books, hypotheses etc.  When someone says to me, "They say ..." I immediately ask, "Who are they, what do we know about them, and why should we take their word/opinion as truth?"  

Speaking of Hitler, has anyone seen the book "The Boys in the Boat" is now a movie and is in the theaters?  If my memory serves me well didn't, we read this book for a discussion here?  I know I as enthralled with the book and learned much of how Hitler used the rowing sport and media to cover up what he was doing.  I still remember the intricacies of the weight, measures, and type of wood used to make the boats, which in turn made the rowing more successful.  I want to see the movie and my hubby is interested in seeing it as well.

Barb, I have used Visine Clear Eyes drops for years every morning when I wake up for dry eyes.  I have yet to experience any type of lung infection.  These are basically sterile water.  Are the ones you have been using prescription?  My eye doctor recommended these for me, and they really do help.  I'm glad you are doing better.  I wish you a very happy & healthy 91st Birthday!! 


Ciao~  Bellamarie
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23729 on: January 23, 2024, 03:04:03 PM »
Bellamarie - Not dry eye Hon but Glaucoma and so yes, prescription from eye doctor - there are 5 meds designed to keep the pressure down - the new one that I had all this reaction to is Vyzulta or latanoprostene bunod - no generic version yet - where as the one I had been using that was not doing as good a job any longer is Latanoprost Ophthalmic - the pressure shot up from 18 to 25 which is the range that causes loss to the eye connections etc. Ideally to stay below 20 but even up to 22 as we age is acceptable - once pressure past 30 surgery is immediate and the loss of vision is a real possibility.

My hope is this past year was full of stress and stress affects eye pressure - also I had so much going on I was not cooking and eating my usual and so lots of prepared foods both frozen and otherwise - I'm hoping as I get back to a life without a new surprise each day as this unpacking has ahum provided that with a decrease in stress it will show up as a decrease in eye pressure.

Saw the state weather map and where we are in the zone for lots of rain the Dallas area is not and so it may be that Tomereader is experiencing different weather than I am. So far the rain ditches and the soil has been able to absorb the heavy rain but two more days of which the worst is yet to come - we shall see...
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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« Reply #23730 on: January 24, 2024, 01:14:02 PM »
Barb, thank you so much for this information.  I never know when it will come in handy for myself or others.  I'm so sorry you suffer from this condition.  It's amazing how stress effects the body and mind.  Moving can be extremely stressful especially if its only you who are dealing with the day-to-day necessities. 

I have paid close attention to yours and Pat H.'s moves and hope to learn much from them.  My hubby and I are at the decision-making stages of should we stay or should we go to a one floor home.  He injured his leg last May and was not able to tackle our stairs for a few weeks, and getting in and out of the shower with having to raise his leg into the bathtub was a huge reality check, and then in September I was dealing with pain in my knees and legs which made it difficult to use the stairs, so we began discussing what we need to do for our future.  We love our house and have been here for 40 years, we are considering adding a room on the back to accommodate a full bathroom with a walk-in shower and a laundry room so we can bring our washer and dryer up from the basement.  It would be a nice size room so we could get a sectional couch with a pull-out bed for future use.  To go into a condo would be very expensive, starting point around $250,000.  We have equity in our house and was blessed with an inheritance from his sister who recently passed, so now is the time we must start making plans.  How do you let go and move on?  Any advice is welcome.

So, I received my book La Storia Five Centuries of the Italian American Experience and in just the first few pages I am blown away. I was reading this particular part to my husband and told him how little history of Italy I knew.

The North's ignorance of the South, new tax structures that benefited the North, draft laws that took away young workers to armies that had little meaning to the southern peasant, all contributed to the massive exodus from the Mezzogiorno.
     In effect, the South was brought into the Italian nation dragging its feet as the new government issued edict after edict that affected the southerners, adversely.  There was growing dissatisfaction throughout the Mezzogiorno with the new government's apparent indifference to their condition, prompting one politician to observe that Italy was a nation in name only.
     The condition of the southern peasant was perhaps best documented by Booker T. Washington, who remarked after visiting Italy:

The Negro is not the man farthest down.  The condition of the coloured farmer in the most backward parts of the Southern States in America, even where he has the east education and the east encouragement, in incomparably better than the condition and opportunities of the agricultural population in Sicily.


I just learned the term "ragpicker" which is what was used to describe many southern Italians who would pick rags from garbage bins. 

In this article online, I actually learned for the first time Sicilians were considered black and that 80% of Italian immigrants were from Southern Italy (Sicily, Abruzzo, Calabria, Campania, Sardinia, Naples, etc.) My paternal grandfather was born in Larino, Campobasso, Abruzzo/Molise, Italy and my paternal grandmother was born in Casacalenda, Campobasso, Abruzzo/Molise, Italy.


https://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/when-italians-were-blacks-the-dark-skinned-sicilians/comment-page-1/

While I could never compare one culture or ethnic suffrage and conclude one was worse or better even though both were terribly discriminated against and treated subhuman, I am learning about my heritage and how proud I am of my Italian ancestors.  My research friend told me "The Irish were thrilled when the Italians immigrated to America because they moved them up a notch in the fact, they were considered even worse than the Irish." Ouch!  Lots to ponder...

Ciao~ Bellamarie


 


 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23731 on: January 24, 2024, 03:00:09 PM »
Yes, I think many are learning and fascinated by the past and how we ended up living where we are - it appears that just about every national group that emigrated did so for the two reasons you are finding Bellamaire - Politics and Poverty - my way of thinking is taxes are a byproduct of Politics so that even the reason for deportation was often Poverty or speaking out which was allowing your Political persuasion to be known.

As to your moving yes, this is a great time in your life to make a change - sure prices are down but then so would be the price of what you purchase however, it will take minimum I think a year if not two - because you will be shocked at how much you have stored in your home that you will be pulling out and getting rid of - I'm betting you will have regular trips to goodwill - paring down at times will be hard but being realistic as to what you will actually use - and I can only speak for myself here but I nixed the idea of a condo - I knew the older I got the less I would be going hither and yon so that my home and yard would become my world - even if I can no longer get down on my knees to garden just having the green to look out on - I've learned to bring color by planting bushes that require little care compared to a flower garden - but being squashed into a building with other families and no yard to walk in or sit in or just gaze upon for mental peace was not my idea of aging well.

I'm also glad I chose a house that was not tiny or cramped - being almost house bound, having space and not feeling cramped - to make it easier I have for instance a small cart with big wheels that will lock that I can put whatever I need in another room on the cart - easier to push the cart than for instance lug a cloth type laundry sack from closet to laundry room or kitchen garbage out to the street pail in the garage or even if I have several books I want to sit in another room to read along with my glass of tea.

Another that I observed back when I was a Real Estate Broker - unused rooms get sterile and the owners are not even aware - trying to sell a home with sterile, most often dated rooms never brings the higher dollar that a lived in home brings regardless even of repairs. People are making one of the biggest decisions of their life purchasing a home and they are comforted by seeing a home that was lived in, loved but cleared of personal affects so they can envision their own things in the house. 

Good Luck - personal tip - I packed so much on my own and learned the heavy duty banker boxes are only $10 more for the 6 boxes and worth it - however, what I did not do that I have learned the hard way - first I strapped as its called all the banker boxes holding books and  those boxes arrived intact however, the boxes I had packed other things, often precious family items or gifts from my children when they were young, I should have strapped down the lid with tape going a couple of cross overs both horizontal and vertical - time after time the movers simply opened the lid, took what I had packed and replaced it with what they thought the box would be useful for and I am still over a year later not finding some of the things I packed - the most devastating is the old photos of my early years with my friends and family and the old photos my mother gave me of family members many from when she was a little girl

Result, I've been living for months without settling as if floating not wanting to land and feel the pain if I do not find the photos - hindsight I wish I brought with me instead of leaving them to be moved - a few other things as well but that is the most - I do not even know how to label - devastating is too mild - I've suspended most of my feelings and going through the days sometimes not wanting to even open another box for fear of what I will and will not find... But the big reason for my move, there was no one left in Austin and I knew I needed to be near family - that I'm pleased about because I am only a couple of streets away from Paul and Sally.     
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23732 on: January 25, 2024, 05:38:55 AM »
Bellamarie I have to share - I've been giggling all evening and now I can't sleep so I may as well share my story - Part of my growing up years was on City Island, then a a place where mostly large sailing ships were built so there were boat yards and sail lofts and the pilots for the New York harbor lived there - It was from the time I was in I think 2nd grade through elementary school - mostly everyone who lived and worked on the Island were either German or Swedish - a few families who were related to the original settlers who were of course English - and a few, very few, in fact a handful of Italian families and a few Irish families - the Island is only a mile and half long and an eighth of mile wide, one main street running the length of the island with the others crossing - a couple of back alley type streets on the widest part   - next door to us and across the street was a large Italian family who were all related - grandparents, parents, uncles, aunts, cousins they pretty much always spoke Italian a couple of the Aunts and one Uncle could speak English and of course the kids - Most were older boys but there were two sisters, one my age and the other 3 years older and there was a kid brother not yet in school.

Mom kept a typical German kitchen with things like Bratwurst and Sauerbraten, home made sauerkraut, red cabbage, black bread, rye bread with seeds, liverwurst used for sandwiches or fried with eggs in the morning, potato salads both hot and cold, Pigs snouts, all kinds of home made pickles on and on - Well one day my sister and I came home from school through the back door as usual - I was in the 6th grade and my sister in the 4th grade and during that time we ate supper early before my Dad came home and so Mom would be already cooking and we could tell what we were having to eat that evening - Well Bellamarie we saw a huge pot with what we thought were noodles boiling - that was different - the usual Noodle pot was smaller and noodles go in different stew like meals or soups - also on the stove was Mom's large black frypan with what looked like tomatoes being cooked down -

We went and changed out of our school clothes, took turns practicing the piano, did our chores and noticed the scents for the kitchen were very different - finally we go to sit down for supper and Mom puts on our plate what we were told was spaghetti topped with this sauce -

Bellamarie we looked and looked as if seeing an animal from another part of the world - we, my sister and I looked at the food and at each other having no idea what it was or how to eat it - Mom sat down then showed us how you twirl it on your fork using the soup spoon to hold the fork - after several tries we gave up and my sister and I cut it with our fork - seems Mom made friends with the Italian lady next door which that alone was a miracle - my mother was painfully shy - the next door lady told her how to cook the spaghetti and sauce that we had never seen or tasted - can you believe - spaghetti is like Pizza, it is so common but then, the spaghetti nor Pizza were common and for many, like in my family these were foods we never knew existed.

I giggle thinking back at how incredulous that whole event was and how we were so flummoxed with a bit of us never saying out-loud but our first reaction - how dare Mom bring this strange food to our kitchen - it is supposed to be such and such which we look forward to knowing it will taste good and it will be easy to eat but she does this??!!?? oh oh oh - hahaha - and so the melting pot of this nation is what we experienced in Mom's kitchen when I was in the 6th grade.   
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23733 on: January 25, 2024, 08:53:40 PM »
Barb, I am laughing so much my cheeks are hurting me.  Italians call what the Americans refer to as "sauce" ... "gravy."  We would cook it all day on Sunday.  I'll never forget taking bread and dipping it in the pot of gravy and eating it before it was served.  I still to this day think the only meal to eat on a Sunday is spaghetti.  I suppose if I were served any of the foods you were accustomed to, I would have had the same reaction you and your sister had with the spaghetti.  To this day I have not tasted liverwurst, Sauerbraten, black bread, or Pigs snouts.  lol I do love Mexican food and some Chinese such as sweet and sour chicken and spring rolls.  My mother's family cooked mostly southern foods mmm.... I can still taste my maternal grandmother's green beans with ham bone and potatoes and cornbread on the side.  Oh, how wonderful it is we get to experience the many different ethnic foods.   

Barb, I knew you were in real estate, and so let me ask you from your business point of view, which would you recommend an aging couple to do in our case trying to decide whether to sell, and buy another home or have an addition put on to our house to accommodate our aging?  I think our area is maintaining its value considering homes are going for some really great prices, the turnover in the past few years has been young families with children buying elderly people's homes, and new businesses are coming around our neighborhood.  We love our house, area, church, distance only 30 minutes from our kids, and from my family in Michigan, with shopping availability just minutes from our house.  I'm trying to keep emotion out although it is very difficult.  I will appreciate any viewpoints from any and all who can assist me.  Thanks in advance. 

Oh, so excited, we sold my hubby's sister's house who just recently passed away in just 4 days on the market!!!  Unheard of, and only came down $9,000.  I personally would have held out for asking but the brother who is executor wanted to get this estate settled.  Still not a bad price. 

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23734 on: January 25, 2024, 11:41:41 PM »
Bellamarie, interesting reading about your "plans" for adding a room to the back of your house.  My first thought was: What are the building codes for your City (wherever that is? LOL) and would they let you do that?  I know that a lot of places have really strict codes for additions, even for adding to existing rooms.  I would hope that your City would be more lenient than some; they get kind of snarky here in Dallas and surrounding counties.  And building Permits are atrocious!
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23735 on: January 26, 2024, 03:53:19 PM »
Yep Joanne building codes come into play and there may even be various city inspections required as you build the add on - however, if you are using a contractor that would be included in the estimate.

As to the wisdom - from what you are saying Bellamarie - you like where you live, the conveniences and being close to family is valuable that there is no guarantee you can replace with a move... this decision has more to do with the value of your property upon resale - it does not sound like you are thinking of moving for probably the next 20 years and in that time you cannot predict how the value of real estate will hold in your area.

Thing people who may move earlier would want to watch is if the add on is going to bring the value and size of the property into a range higher than the homes in the area... example - assuming you are adding a room with closet space etc. 16x20 which is 320 square feet and the homes in your area run around 1800 to 2300 - I have no idea what the square footage is of your home as is but for this example I am going to say your home as is with 2 stories and a finished out basement is 2100 and now you are adding 320 for a total of 2420 which is more square footage than typically found in your area - upon resale if everyone else is getting say $200. a square foot or there abouts your home would bring in less per square foot - in other words if the square footage added makes your home among a very few in the area larger than most you will not get full value for the add on...

Bellamarie in the scheme of things... so what... you are not planning to sell and will have a comfortable home to live out your elder years - and so even if at the age of 85 y'all decide you need to move to assistant living the property will continue to appreciate which is like collecting interest and living in the investment - so you've made your investment more comfortable for yourself at a resale value less than a smaller home per square foot would receive upon resale value and probably even a bit less because the unique size of the home compared to the others in the area - some family will come along and you will have made it possible for that family to have the space they need and be close to church, school, shopping etc. It is not like you are taking away from the area by building something so unique it would take some unwanted buyer to buy the house.

As to is it wise to put that kind of investment into that house depends not just on price per square foot but on the desirability of the neighborhood to potential buyers - that is not something you can control for the next 20 years no matter where your house is located. Neighborhoods that appear to be desirable now can either increase in desirability or go down because of many factors - people not just one or two but one or two on each street that cannot take care of their property and so the area goes down or crime creeps in or a nearby street that is semi busy now becomes a retail or commercial draw with large retail or multi story office rentals that change the complexity of your neighborhood - or even if a cut through road the city decides would be a great road to widen and make a new artery to relieve traffic from another road - Bellamarie you cannot predict - and so if some of this happens you will decide then if staying or moving is in your best interest.

Bellamarie all my friends who have now passed were mostly in their 90s - I was always one of the younger ones - two were in their late 80s and so if you are in your late 60s now you've got at least 20 and more likely at least 25 years - think back when you were in your 40s and what has happened to this area since - you could no more predict the amount of growth that continued after you moved in to this house than the man in the moon - if you like the area make it comfortable and any deterrent in value is not going to drive the price down below the other homes - it just could mean the house will not get as much per square foot but it will still be a handsome sales price so that for sure you could sell and have enough to move into some assistant living without having to now sign up for some insurance policy to cover that cost - your insurance policy is the appreciating equity in your home...

Your garden is established - you can easily cut back and have more lawn that you can hire someone to cut - your drapes etc. are all installed and so over the years you replace this or that drape or even replace floor covering - you are not starting from scratch as you would be in a house you move into - and living in a new house for the next 20 years you would still be replacing drapes etc.

And believe it or not this is what I would have said to anyone while I was a Broker - I was not about just earning a commission plus by being honest I ended up getting referrals so that my marketing budget did not have to be as large. I worked for instance with one Chinese family from Indonesia and over about 15 years worked with 34 families as a result of that one family - you having clarity would be a relief that you would want for your friends and so the word would be out - but from what you have shared it seems to me you would be just fine staying where you are and adding the space you need - now the biggie will be as Joanne mentioned - finding out about building permits -

While living in Austin some areas the home owner paid cash for their add on space and without a loan involved 'saying' they did the work themselves with some assistance they avoided having to go through the city and did their add on without having a building permit - caused all kinds of grief for the Broker when they would sell but they had their comfort for years before the nightmare for a new buyer getting a loan to buy the house. And this was typical in the best appreciating areas of Austin which actually probably made it easier since those areas are full of attorneys that are either a neighbor or attended the same church and could easily be called upon to help us through the mess - all to say if the city has too many regulations where there is a will there is always a way.
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23736 on: January 27, 2024, 02:20:50 AM »
Tome, yes, you are correct in needing to know what building codes would or would not allow the addition to be built.  Just a year or so ago a neighbor a few doors down with the same type of house as ours added on to their house in the same area behind their house and the same room size, we are considering.  Building permits and inspections are a must and we would not want to cut any corners that would as Barb has pointed out, later down the road could cause a potential buy from getting a loan approval.

Barb, thank you so very much for all the information.  My next-door neighbor years ago added on a room that cost him over twenty thousand, (a lot of money back then) which his son helped do the construction on and was warning him that if they sold for any reason in the future, they would not get that investment back.  Luckily for them, when they did sell the area had held and even gone up in home values and they did get their price they asked.  Most of the houses in our subdivision have already had these types of additions put on years ago, we are late in doing so.  Since we live in a subdivision that already has access to the major streets there would be no reason for any other access roads to be added in our cul de sac neighborhood.  We've done updates on our house throughout the years (thanks to watching all the makeover shows on HGTV) making it very desirable for the more millennial generation.  This is why it is such a difficult decision in considering moving, but we must prepare for possibly not using stairs as we age regardless.  Your business sense and all viewpoints have been extremely helpful. 

I've been binge watching Million Dollar Listing New York, and last year I binged Million Dollar Los Angeles, so all your brokerage knowledge is spot on which I expected it would be.  Your knowledge and your own personal experience in moving has given me much insight I needed to now discuss with my hubby.  Our kids want us closer to them, but the areas they live in the property taxes are skyrocketing due to overpopulated schools from families building, so now they must build yet another school to accommodate the increase of students.  Not to mention the houses built in the same year as ours, with same square footage is so much more due to the demand of houses in their small-town high-end area.  I have no doubt our house would sell within a week or so on the market, so listing would mean we would have to find another home we could afford, and it be at least as nice as ours in a very fast time frame, this is why the addition seems the most logical way to go.  I'll keep you posted. 

Getting back to books, I came across this interesting site listing 10 books turning 100 years old.   https://www.thriftbooks.com/blog/books-turning-100-in-2024/?utm_content=feature_3&utm_source=promotional&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=01242024_10_Books_Turning_25

So, how many if any have any of you read? I bought a book at a used bookstore called The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson Edited by Thomas H. Johnson.  Not the same as the one on this list but the first copyright is 1890.

Ciao~ Bellamarie
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23737 on: January 28, 2024, 05:01:59 PM »
Bellamarie, I live in a condo, renting from the owner, and I have several comments, but for now, the biggest drawback is your limited control over your surroundings.  everything is decided by member vote, and if you don't like what they're doing, you can push for something else and not get it.
And this especially applies to budgets.  You have a monthly fee that pays for upkeep and part of it goes for unexpected disasters, but what do you if people decide they want something big and expensive that you have no interest in? 

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23738 on: January 28, 2024, 11:12:15 PM »
Pat, thank you for the drawback insight into condo living, especially the fees that can be imposed upon you by the member votes. 

My in laws moved into a condo when they were in their early sixties with no health issues and now, she has expressed how she hates all the restrictions, lack of yard space and limited living space.  They are now in their mid 70s and she is having her husband build a room with a spiral staircase to access it because she wants him to move his computer up there to get it out of their bedroom.  I am baffled at why they would add on an upper room with a spiral staircase at this age, not to mention how much room it is going to take away from their living room, which is crammed with furniture already. The heating/AC in the upper room will be lacking due to ducts not reaching the back end, and with a spiral staircase they will not be able to bring the furniture up there she was hoping to.  She was envisioning a loft and in reality, will have a very small cold room. Their example has us shying away from considering condo living at this stage of life.   
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23739 on: January 29, 2024, 05:12:59 AM »
I love lists like that. My tally:

Read:The Boxcar Children, The King of Elfland's Daughter, When We Were Very Young, The Man in the Brown Suit, Magic Mountain.
Partly read: Emily Dickinson.  I've read enough of her poems that I'm sure to have read some of them in this book..

Maybe read:  The Neruda poems.  Explanation later.

TBR: Passage to India

Not read:Billy BuddThe most Dangerous Game.

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« Reply #23740 on: January 29, 2024, 05:50:31 PM »
A Passage to India by E. M. Forster - this was one of only a couple of books that take place in India that I read over the years - just did not like that area of the world - did not like or understand why the English were there in the first place and never cared to learn because all I saw was one group taking advantage of another especially women - the way Indian women were treated and how they treat themselves made me very uncomfortable and even the English were not nice to their own women - it seemed a dumping ground for anyone that was in disfavor back in England - the whole feel was slimy to me - no Indian really standing strong - even Gandhi was more a martyr - I've found most movies set in India make me equally uncomfortable - all to say A Passage to India was one of the few and first books that influenced my negativity towards a story set in India...

The Boxcar Children by Gertrude Chandler Warner - Did not read in my childhood but read to my children

Twenty Love Poems and a Song of Despair by Pablo Neruda - read Neruda but not this books - remember his poems as being provocative - what comes to mind is a poem he wrote describing a women - not my cup of tea...

The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann - We read this here on Senior Learn - Glad I read it, but not a book I would re-read.

The King of Elfland's Daughter by Lord Dunsany - OH my back in 7th grade when stories of unrequited love and magic were typical of my reads.

Billy Budd by Herman Melville - ha yes, 8th grade when I was reading all the seafaring books i could find, like Captain Courageous and The Sea Hawk - of course the injustice but then I was reading the concept of adventure rather than thinking I or anyone could 'right' the world and all the injustices. At this time I was also into James Fenimore Copper and the land adventures during the French and Indian War.

The Most Dangerous Game by Richard Connell - Never read or even heard of this - found a kindle copy for 92 cents so I've downloaded it - appears it must be a short story - the kindle version is only 85 pages.
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When We Were Very Young by A. A. Milne - Another I did not read as a child but I found Winnie the Pooh and read to my children.

The Collected Poems of Emily Dickinson - Yes, over the years I've added several of her books of poetry to my shelves

The Man in the Brown Suit by Agatha Christie - Vaguely remember reading this years ago but another that Amazon has a kindle version for I think it was 59 cents so I downloaded it because if I did read it I'm confusing it with another at for a few cents it will be a nice story - her mysteries have some meat but are only a step off from being a cozy and that currently works. 

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23741 on: January 30, 2024, 06:27:47 AM »
Good morning all.

Not reading much. I am getting ready for a move.

The only book on that list I read is A Passage to India and a few poems by Emily Dickinson but not the book of poems. Some I never heard of, others I've heard of but only way past any chance of being interested, like A. A. Milne.

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« Reply #23742 on: January 30, 2024, 01:33:38 PM »
Just very concerned that we haven't seen a post, either long or short, from Ginny.  Hey, Girl!  Where are you?
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23743 on: January 30, 2024, 03:54:24 PM »
Pat and Barb, I had a feeling the two of you would have read some or all of these books. Good to know I could download a couple of the books for such an affordable price. 

Frybabe, good luck on your moving.   

Tome, I also have inquired a couple of times wondering about Jonathan, has anyone heard anything of him as well?  I do hope they are both okay.
 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23744 on: January 30, 2024, 08:22:21 PM »
BellaMarie, I haven't seen any posts by Jonathan in quite awhile.  Do you recall which forums he posted in most often?
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« Reply #23745 on: January 31, 2024, 11:00:58 AM »
When you look at Ginny's profile, it says "last active" Jan 30, but when you ask "show posts", the most recent post is Jan 2.  We can't see her posts as administrator or in the Latin class, so let's hope she's Just very busy.

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« Reply #23746 on: January 31, 2024, 11:03:40 AM »
Jonathan, on the other hand, stopped posting abruptly 4 years ago at the start of Covid, when we were all trying to figure out how to live safely.I'm not optimistic.

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« Reply #23747 on: January 31, 2024, 01:34:25 PM »
Tome, Jonathan posted mostly in the library and of course when we held discussions he would post.  The last post I recall from him was the beginning of Covid and he had gone to the mall and did not seem concerned about being out in public.  I know at that time he was in his early to mid 90s which I was always amazed at his vitality and sharp mindedness about every topic from religion, fiction, nonfiction, politics, and especially the 18th century era on the Cranford book we read here by Elizabeth Gaskell.  I so loved his input. 

Pat, I know it's difficult to be optimistic hoping he just stopped posting since we no longer were discussing books, but he did pop in from time to time to keep in touch.  It's good to know Ginny's last active was Jan. 30th at least we know she is peeking in if not posting.  She may just be a bit busy and will post soon.  Thank you so much for checking and letting us know.

(I checked Jonathan's last active, and it was July 06, 2020, 11:21:53 AM.) I never realized we could check their stats.

It might be a good idea if we could give a contact person to someone in here in cases like this where members have stopped posting with no prior statement, they are going to be taking a break.  Maybe on our profile we could add the contact person's email address.

I got my hard cover book La Storia Five Centuries of the Italian American Experience Thrift books promised to send to me for free since they accidently sent me a paperback.  Oh, how I love having this hardcover which is so much bigger, and the pictures are easier to appreciate in the larger size.  I'm off to delve into it.  You all have a great day and breathe easy it's the last day of January and days are getting warmer and longer!

Ciao~ Bella

 

 

 
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« Reply #23748 on: January 31, 2024, 05:28:57 PM »
If we had last names we could google people to see if there is any news - have no idea Jonathan's last name - as to Ginny I think when she is busy with the Latin students that is about all she can manage - as it warms I suspect she will share her latest Garden experiment - she was experimenting with mini greenhouses on her porch - Ginny is Senior Learn and the only assistance she still has I believe is Jane.

Bellamarie you may be interested but you would have to hurry since it will only be on sale through today and maybe tomorrow - but the kindle version is only 1.99  - Italian Folktales gathered by the famous Italo Calvino

Reading Complexity:The Emerging Science at the Edge of Order and Chaos -  cannot stop shaking my head agreeing with what I am reading or in awe that it is of course the way of things -

Just one for instance quote that says to me 'of course' why did I not see this... "...undergo spontaneous self-organization. Thus, people trying to satisfy their material needs unconsciously organize themselves into an economy through myriad individual acts of buying and selling; it happens without anyone being in charge or consciously planning it. The genes in a developing embryo organize themselves in one way to make a liver cell and in another way to make a muscle cell. Flying birds adapt to the actions of their neighbors, unconsciously organizing themselves into a flock. Organisms constantly adapt to each other through evolution, thereby organizing themselves into an exquisitely tuned ecosystem. Atoms search for a minimum energy state by forming chemical bonds with each other, thereby organizing themselves into structures known as molecules. In every case, groups of agents seeking mutual accommodation and self-consistency somehow manage to transcend themselves, acquiring collective properties such as life, thought, and purpose that they might never have possessed individually."

Just got off the phone talking to one of my grandsons - we went on and on talking for nearly 2 hours - he is so excited about his life and plans for how he sees his future - he was an older student and has one more year at Texas Tech and just loving his classes and what he is learning - the passion for his chosen career path and his excitement about all he is learning - filled me up... who'd have guessed


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« Reply #23749 on: February 01, 2024, 01:59:15 PM »
When we signed up as a member did we provide a last name or was it just an email address?  It's been a while so I don't remember, but if not, that would be a good idea.  I like having a contact person in the event there is no information to find.  My sister-in-law passed on and left specific orders there was to be no obituary, service or any mention publicly of her passing. 

Barb, "order and chaos" now those are two words that play a huge part in my life.  I am almost OCD for the need to have order in my life.

And this: "...undergo spontaneous self-organization.  In every case, groups of agents seeking mutual accommodation and self-consistency somehow manage to transcend themselves, acquiring collective properties such as life, thought, and purpose that they might never have possessed individually."

I of course immediately see the biblical sense in all of this considering the order of creation.  God had/has a purpose and plan and a place for everything.  It makes all the sense in the world to see we collectively as humans, creatures and even the eco system have been given the natural ability to be where we will thrive and survive.  When taken out of the natural habitat all will struggle to survive and some eventually die.  When I think of taking animals from their natural environment and placing them in an artificial environment such as zoos, they can sustain life but are they healthy and contented outside their natural environment?  Plants when uprooted and transplanted in the ground they are not accustomed to will more than likely struggle and die if they do not receive the ingredients in their original soil.   

Then I think of the ancestry research I have been doing and how my Italian ancestors migrated to the U.S and Canada for a better life but formed their own communities so they could live their culture and customs with those who shared the same as they did in Italy. Most of these communities were called "Little Italy."  I visited one in Canada and was amazed how it was as if I were walking the streets of Italy with the open markets, clothes hanging on lines strewn across high buildings, flowers hanging from boxes outside their windows etc.

In the Bible we learn right order, and when things are not in the right order chaos enters your life.  Wow!  I can see how you and your grandsons could spend two hours on the phone and you hanging up feeling so "filled up." Oh, how our grandchildren and even my great grandson can turn my frown upside down just entering a room.  I get texts from my grandchildren almost daily and it lifts my spirits that they take even a few seconds to snapchat me.  I'm so glad you moved closer to your family. 

Speaking of grandkids, I have to run and go bake some cross cookies for my thirteen-year old's Bible study club she has gotten permission from her principal to begin at her new all girls Catholic school Nortre Dame Academy.  She saw my online Bible study journal last year and wanted to know all about what I was doing.  She was so excited she wanted to join, and I told her it was for adults but maybe she could begin one at her school.  Well, by golly this girl took off like and eagle in flight and made it happen.  I told her to be sure to include all students wanting to come regardless if they are or are not Catholic because having an interdenominational discussion group would truly be the more educational and Christian way to go, and since her school accepts all students of all religions and beliefs she too should.  She was excited and said that's a great idea!  I asked how I could help, and she asked if I could make cross cookies for the group.  So... it's baking time!     

Ciao~ Bella   
 
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23750 on: February 02, 2024, 03:02:11 PM »
Oh oh oh... Just read - N. Scott Momaday died last week - He was living in Santa Fe - born in 1934 he would have been 90 this February... He was a Kiowa born in Oklahoma - He taught at Stanford, Princeton and Columbia universities - N. Scott Momaday received the Pulitzer in 2019 the first Native American to receive the Pulitzer -  he was the literary father so to speak to so many - some of my favorites influenced and helped by this man are... Leslie Marmon Silko, Louise Erdrich and Joy Harjo

Here is a quote from one of his papers...

...we must imagine a time when language was intensely creative, full of power and magic. To the extent that the deepest belief in the efficacy of language survives, it survives in the oral tradition. In Beowulf, or in the Book of Job, or in the Navajo Prayer from the Night Chant, the language of story is the language of poetry, plain, exalted, and oral. It is the language of surfaces rather than symbols, faceted like the bright prisms of the dragon’s hoard.

Apollo—not the god but the dog—twitches in his sleep, and in his dreams he talks to me. He tells me of wonderful things, of a grandmother who suckled the founders of Rome, of a grandfather who conversed with Francis in the olive groves of Umbria, of one in whose dying eyes Aldo Leopold beheld a fierce green fire. I listen, and I am enchanted. I am returned to a time when dogs could talk, and I dwell among words in a state of grace.
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23751 on: February 02, 2024, 04:05:55 PM »
Barb, Although I have never heard of N. Scott Momaday, I can say those quotes are quite impressive.  Seems the world has lost yet another accomplished writer.  A Pulitzer awarded to the first Native American, now that is an achievement in and of itself. 

I was told growing up that I had some Native Indian in my ancestry from the Cherokee tribe, but when I submitted my DNA to Ancestry.com the results came back with zero.  One more story debunked.   

Ciao~ Bellamarie



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Re: The Library
« Reply #23752 on: February 02, 2024, 08:09:30 PM »
It seems to me like we're losing an awful lot of good actors and writers.  Too bad.  We need more people who can actually put two words together.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23753 on: February 03, 2024, 09:40:04 PM »
Bellamarie, we had to give Ginny our email addresses, but could keep them secret from other members if we chose.  My memory is that we could keep the rest of our identity completely private if we chose, but I'm not sure. Some people want to be more unknown here--known for their ideas and opinions, not for their addresses.  And some people leaving might not want to be found.  I think this kind of thinking is what's behind the rules.

 Good news, though.  Ginny was active again yesterday, and the post count went up one again.  Since the activity occurs at about the same time each day, it seems pretty sure that the Latin class is pretty busy.

The combination of covid and increasing age of the people I know has left me edgy when I don't hearnews of someone.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23754 on: February 03, 2024, 11:29:26 PM »
Pat, I completely understand and agree with you, on keeping their names/identity private, and some leaving the club not wanting to be found or searched.  In the world of social media very little is private regardless of what you don't put out there.  If you have a bank account, you are automatically in the algorithms of the internet.

I remember back years ago my sister held a supervisor position in the local hospital in our small town and she was not liked by a few of those under her supervision.  I told her to be careful how she treats people with the internet you could place yourself in danger.  She said she wasn't worried because she does not own a computer and has never been online.  I told her I teach computers, and everyone is accessible through the internet.  She challenged me and I went to my computer and typed in her name, and it brought up her address a map of directions on how to get there and some other public information. She was furious.  I told her once banks went online it made everyone accessible in some way.  This was over forty years ago, imagine today. 

My cross cookies turned out beautifully in spite of my order not coming in time to have decorating bags, tips and cookie cutters I was looking forward to using.  My granddaughter said the girls ate them all (42) except she saved one for her brother.  That just warmed my heart.  It's the little things at our age that matters. 

Ciao~ Bellamarie
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23755 on: February 04, 2024, 02:15:07 AM »
It's discouraging, isn't it.  And even taking the available precautions probably just results in them finding one only three times instead of ten.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23756 on: February 04, 2024, 02:46:38 PM »
[A Passage to India by E. M. Forster - this was one of only a couple of books that take place in India that I read over the years - just did not like that area of the world - did not like or understand why the English were there in the first place and never cared to learn because all I saw was one group taking advantage of another[/color] especially women - the way Indian women were treated and how they treat themselves made me very uncomfortable and even the English were not nice to their own women -[ it seemed a dumping ground for anyone that was in disfavor back in England[/color] - the whole feel was slimy to me - no Indian really standing strong - even Gandhi was more a martyr - I've found most movies set in India make me equally uncomfortable - all to say A Passage to India was one of the few and first books that influenced my negativity towards a story set in India...
Barb, it seems to me you have a very good understanding of some of the reasons.  To make money by exploiting people, and conveniently, to solve some of their army and other official management problems.

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Re: The Library
« Reply #23757 on: February 04, 2024, 06:57:21 PM »
Yes, the English using India and the Indian people to solve their problems is a better way of saying it Pat - even the series that PBS featured had that same vibe and from what I've read those from India who migrate to Britain have always been considered second class and class is an issue in England - I just have never wanted to get into the whats and wherefores -

There was another theater of operation for the English in Africa with two movies that I can remember of fighting during Victorian times - although I understand the Boar war had more to do with Germany but again I just have not wanted to get into it... Both in Africa and in India the culture clash was huge - maybe that is it - I can better understand a group that represents western culture and having so little knowledge of the traditions, history, and beliefs of cultures other than a western culture makes me uncomfortable if I'm not able to understand a conflict from both sides - I'm reluctant to rah rah rah for only the side I do understand.

Change of pace completely - been dipping into Hannah Arendt and it seems so is my sister, who shared that many of her friends and the writers she hangs with were independently also reading Arendt - my sister is into Totalitarianism from the time of the French Revolution where as I've dipped into her paper on Violence.  Read recently the one on why politicians lie... interesting... or course to me the corner stone of her work was The Banality of Evil -

Since with more reading and lots of thought my take is there are some who must satisfy whatever they want that they see as a need with no thought beyond themselves and their want\need so that ethics and morality is on the other side of the moon - I'm questioning if those who are evil can be changed - it is as if the human race is simply an inconvenience and barrier to what they want and as Arendt says their evil ways have become so banal they can no longer comprehend the evil.   
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23758 on: February 05, 2024, 12:04:24 PM »
Pat, yes, I do believe the precautions that are out there to keep our private information private are only determents to possible less more so than a plenty.  Listening to some of the major social media site owners speaking before congress, I am more certain they don't care about our privacy whatsoever.  We enter at our own risk is how I see it. 

This week in religion (CCD) class our lesson was to teach our students about safety, it is a requirement now in the Catholic schools in order for them to be insured.  All those who have any involvement of any kind with the children in the Diocese must go through the VIRTUS Protecting God's Children training and be certified.  We have the students watch a short video on Teaching Safety Empowering God's Children.  We are given a packet to study and prepare us in the topics we will be covering for their appropriate age.  Part of this lesson was on safety on the internet.  I asked by a show of hands how many of our 3-5 graders have devices, can have internet access and no parent involvement, the show of hands that went up, and just knowing one hand would be raised let alone a few made my stomach turn.  I talked about who they have as friends on their game sites and messenger and to always let their parent know if anyone asks to meet up with you at a place nearby.  Kids are so trusting and innocent and believe everyone is who they say they are on the internet. 

The social media site owners are aware of child predators, yet I still see many children under the age of 18 yrs. of age with accounts on social sites.  Suicide rates among school age children have gone up due to bullying on social media sites.  Children look for self-approval through how many "likes" they get on their posts.  We have entered a world that has more access to our children with less parent awareness, which brings me to Barb's quote from Arendt, "their evil ways have become so banal they can no longer comprehend the evil."

I pray this is not so, although a part of me does believe it's true. The world does seem to be desensitized from true human feelings and emotions.  I hold out hope that the evil can be overcome in a person, but first and foremost evil must be called out, the person has to want the change, and they must know the level of destruction evil acts have on the entire world.  Like our lesson taught, each person has the right to have personal boundaries and they must be respected.  My theory and not that I am by any means a professional in any field, is this:  We must know right from wrong, and we must set our boundaries, and anyone who cannot respect them is a person you do not need or want in your life.  We have to do better in teaching our children and yes adults as well.  I believe when you know better, you do better.

Barb, as always, your post is very thought provoking.   

Ciao~ Bellamarie   
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Re: The Library
« Reply #23759 on: February 05, 2024, 03:33:14 PM »
Bellamarie - yes, we can feel self-protective and do all we can to protect children - however, you like many Christians read and use the Bible as your north star - my thinking is we look to Jesus so as not to become a judge of people - Over and over I get the message we are not judge and jury of others - there are those who are designated for that job - like all humans in a job some do it well and others do not.

I remember a picture of Jesus surrounded my by children and my thought is Jesus knew there was evil - we do not know if there was more evil than today but probably about the same - we know the battle in our souls has always been about good versus evil - so many Christian or not have struggled to better clarify and understand Good versus evil - it is the writings of Aristotle, Plato on down the annuls of history.

The memory of that picture does bring u the Bible verse that appears as if Jesus is scolding however, the biggest message I get is Jesus calls the children to be loved and says we should come to God as a child not as judges of the world - children can better be captured by being loved as Jesus called them to Him while knowing they are surrounded by evil - and yes, problem, children can be captured by those using loving actions to envelope them into evil. It used to be warning them of being offered candy or to help with a lost dog and now it is to be liked on social media.

Thinking about it - not all children, even those from good Christian homes are loved so that they do not need to be liked on social media - there are few loving adults, including busy parents who do not notice and give a child the opportunity to use their strongest and best talents so the child  can see they have value and they do not have to seek value by trying to impress on social media - how many children even know their best talents but most of all, how many know they are loved and are taught safety just as when they were toddlers they were taught not to walk in the street and later to look both ways before crossing a street.

I guess I'm seeing, it is one thing to be aware of evil but our best line of defense is to love --- as the commandment says love others as you love yourself - hmm and that gives a different message to those who chose evil - they love themselves period - others are expendable - but then on the other side of the scale, we love others as we love ourselves. hmm that message of loving ourselves opens another can of worms - as an elder to be conscious of our best talents as our body weakens and our place among others lessons as we become more invisible - hmm to be aware of our value is not for others to make us aware but to love ourselves and then use our talents... OH my not that is another whole line of thinking - goodness I guess it is called self reflection. How do we love ourselves - not how we compare to others but love who and what we are - oh no our best selves because we all have elevated our wants - that is the question are we so dependent on our wants that we cannot accept the lack and therefore elevate a want to the status of a need ignoring loving ourselves as is and then loving others hmm not as is- ah their best - that may be the answer knowing and loving the best in others as ourselves knowing evil lurks in all of us... hmm for now for me that works

OK now I can better appreciate the characters in especially the simple books that I call chit chat books - some characters seem out of the ordinary, over the top but hmm that is their value to the story, their best selves... hmm now that could be a new focus - some storylines the evil is so obvious it is easy to get caught into the tug of war between the good and bad going on in the story - but yes, that tug between the good and evil has usually captured my attention but now to start looking for the talents of the characters and how they affect the story how the characters talents are a value to the happenings in the story.

Never thought to read from that perspective... hmm just realized a simple example - I've always focused on the Christmas story of George Bailey versus how to handle the lost money and Mr. Potter's plan. Although the central story is George with the help of Clarence seeing his value the real value is George was open enough and willing to see Clarence the angel sent and to go through the difficult task of seeing how his life affected others - if George did not have that child like openness to Clarence, even to the folklore of the bell ringing - no wonder we like that movie over 80 years later - Ok need to watch it again and focus on the talents of each character, their best selves... hmm me thinks that is love... 
“A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.” ~ Goethe