Author Topic: Fiction ~ Old ~ New ~ Best Sellers #2 (Read 776195 times)

mabel1015j · « **Reply #1640 on:** March 08, 2011, 05:09:05 PM »

It was a new bit of info to me that NA women were the traders and businesspeople of most tribes until the European men came and wouldn't trade w/ women, so the NA men took over much of the trade......... And so it goes....... Jean

Steph · « **Reply #1641 on:** March 09, 2011, 06:13:59 AM »

The Mohawks were strictly maternal for chiefs and leaders. They lived in so called Long Houses and the mothers ruled all..
My Mohawks are 12 generations back.. But I still treasure them.
I used to love Indian movies.. Broken arrow...Cochise... Oh me.. Jeff something with the white hair... I never liked John Wayne, but Jeff..

Frybabe · « **Reply #1642 on:** March 09, 2011, 07:33:31 AM »

Chandler. Jeff Chandler.

ursamajor · « **Reply #1643 on:** March 09, 2011, 08:37:10 AM »

Yes. I had fantasies about Jeff Chandler. He didn't make many movies; he died very young.

Gumtree · « **Reply #1644 on:** March 09, 2011, 09:20:40 AM »

He was just gorgeous!

mabel1015j · « **Reply #1645 on:** March 09, 2011, 11:33:58 AM »

JC had bright blue eyes and he looked "solid". I can't tell you what that means, but it came to mind when you mentioned him, and it's a positive for me.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1646 on:** March 09, 2011, 01:32:28 PM »

By amazing coincidence I am currently reading a book titled: THE FIVE OF HEARTS: An Intimate Portrait of Henry Adams and His Friends 1880-1918 by Patricia O'Toole.

On page 137 it tells of a Lowell Institute lecture Adams gave in Boston in 1876. His lecture was titled: "The Primitive Rights of Women" and he spoke most particularly of the equality of Native American Indian women and of the women in Ancient Egypt!

maryz · « **Reply #1647 on:** March 09, 2011, 02:34:36 PM »

Loved Broken Arrow and Jeff Chandler, too.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1648 on:** March 09, 2011, 03:11:50 PM »

Had to look up the book you suggested Maryz - what an illustrious group of people are featured in that book - I could not figure out - is it history or a memoir - I didn't get the impression it was fiction...Amazon suggested it was quintessential of the Victorian Golden Age.

maryz · « **Reply #1649 on:** March 09, 2011, 03:26:50 PM »

I don't think it was me, Barb - maybe one of the other Marys.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1650 on:** March 09, 2011, 03:27:41 PM »

Barbara, are you talking about the book THE FIVE OF HEARTS that I mentioned I am reading?

If so, it is a fascinating biography of Henry and Clover Adams, John and Clara Hay, and Clarence King. A history. All were famous and rich in their day and the book is full of our presidents and statemen of that time, all of whom they knew well. The Adamses and the Hays lived on Lafayette Square here in Washington, D.C. (very close to Annapolis) and the Hay Adams Hotel, one of our nation's capital's finest, is now on the same spot. Henry Adams, great grandson of John Adams, was a famous writer. He had that beyond beautiful and haunting statue placed at his wife Clover's grave in Rock Creek Cemetery here. What a lovely spot to visit, as I have often done. These 5 best friends called themselves the Five of Hearts. They were intellectuals and well educated and world traveled. Great book.

http://hereibe.homestead.com/adams.html

http://www.encore-editions.com/miscellaneous-items/images/grief-by-augustus-st-gaudens-1891-rock-creek-cemetery-washington-d-c

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1651 on:** March 09, 2011, 03:40:28 PM »

Yes, YEs, YES - oh so sorry MaryPage - yes - I thought the people mentioned that are in that book were the whose who of the nineteenth century in America - Sorry about the name mix-up - MaryPage you live in Tennessee is that correct and then MaryZ lives in or near Annapolis - I know what has where I live got to do with anything - somehow that is how I remember not only names but the face and on-line the history of the posts from various folks.

maryz · « **Reply #1652 on:** March 09, 2011, 04:30:23 PM »

Other way around, Barb - I'm in Chattanooga, TN.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1653 on:** March 09, 2011, 04:59:40 PM »

Ah - super - great - now I've got it - thank you Maryz...

MaryPage · « **Reply #1654 on:** March 09, 2011, 05:03:16 PM »

Yes, and I am the one who lives in Annapolis. Yes, they were the creme de la creme. I am particularly touched by how much John Hay adored President Lincoln. But they were all extremely interesting people.

Steph · « **Reply #1655 on:** March 10, 2011, 06:06:39 AM »

Jeff Chandler.. Ah, I knew you would come through. And amazing enough..Some others of you admired him as well. Did He marry Debra Pagent.. or were they simply in a movie together??
I keep thinking that there is a story attached to Clover, the statue and Henrys wife?? Did she commit suicide?? or something?? Odd the remnants that remain about something you read many many years ago. Darn..
I remember reading a book quite a while ago that was the Murphys and the Fitzgeralds, the golden age and Paris.. Lots of Americans went there and lived there in that era. A haven for writers and artists.
Has anyone read Clara and Mr. Tiffany?? I think our Friends of the Library group is going over to see the Morse Museum in Winter Park.. I have seen the original many times, but they added a large addition and have put the Daffodil Room in it..We like to tie our annual outing to an author or something and I think we will have a review and/or a discussion of the book the first day.

MaryPage · « **Reply #1656 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:20:29 AM »

Yes, Clover Adams, an accomplished photographer whose beautiful home faced the White House and who was the most envied and sought after hostess in Washington, committed suicide. Later, Henry Adams had an affair with a Senator's wife who was also General Sherman's niece.

CallieOK · « **Reply #1657 on:** March 10, 2011, 09:12:04 AM »

Those who took part in the book discussion on "Empire of the Summer Moon" might be interested in knowing that the movie "The Searchers" is on TCM tonight - 7:00 p.m. CST.

Ahhhhh....Jeff Chandler! What a dreamboat.
Steph, I think he was married to Debra Paget - maybe after they were in a movie together?

Steph · « **Reply #1658 on:** March 11, 2011, 06:01:19 AM »

Glad my memory was working on Jeff Chandler and Debra. She seems to have always played an Indian, although I dont think she actually was. She was pretty though. As a blue eyed Blonde, I always wanted to be dark and mysterious when I was young.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #1659 on:** March 11, 2011, 02:32:21 PM »

Apprently we are all confused!?! I looked up debra P. And S. Granger and Searchers, neither Debra P. or stewart G were in Searchers, BUT Jeffrey Hunter WAS, there was the blue -eyes!!! I was wrong abt Grangers eyes, they are brown!

Back-up for my info.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Searchers_(film)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debra_Paget

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Granger

Tomereader1 · « **Reply #1660 on:** March 11, 2011, 04:05:00 PM »

Jeff Chandler and Debra Paget were never married--to each other. Paget was married and divorced 3 times. Jeff married/divorced once.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1661 on:** March 11, 2011, 05:09:56 PM »

Wasn't it Natalie Wood who was the young girl that John Wayne sweeps into his arms when we were not sure if he was going to kill her at the end of the Searchers - and was it John Wayne's real son who played the part of the young rancher who follows him because he was concerned he would kill the niece rather than bring her home? I remember Jeff Hunter as having blond hair and I thought he played the part of the guy she was supposed to marry...been years since I saw the movie - the one character I do remember was Deaf Smith sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch after he was scalped going on about his experience - since Deaf Smith in real life escorted Mrs. Dickinson from the Alamo and went on to fight with the Texas Rangers it was fun to laugh at Hollywood.

CallieOK · « **Reply #1662 on:** March 11, 2011, 05:12:19 PM »

Well! As MaryPage - and maybe others - may have read in another folder, I hope you didn't bother watching "The Searchers"!
IMO, it was the most contrived, cliched bits-and-pieces-of-different-stories that could possibly have been - and totally unrealistic in so many ways!
For one thing, it was set right after the Civil War. But in one scene, the daughter whose "feller" was leaving was wearing jeans (rolled up a la 1956) and a plaid shirt! As soon as she ran (sobbing, of course) back into the cabin (in the middle of a dusty, desert-like nowhere), she was immediately back into a hoop skirted dress and perfectly starched/ironed, sparkingly white apron.

(Can you tell I didn't like this film

)

Natalie Wood played the older version of the girl the Comanches captured (the object of "The Search").

When her character said plaintively, "Oh, please, take me back. I want to go home", - I turned off the t v and came in here to vent instead of watching the end of the movie.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1663 on:** March 11, 2011, 05:29:04 PM »

Here is a treat that includes one of the Comanche Myths that still influence our lives today - it is a lovely new special for PBS all shot last Spring in and around Austin - with many of the shots just outside of town where the old ranch houses and grazing cattle fill the countryside. http://www.klru.org/wildflowers/ This may be the entire show which took an hour on TV last night and so get a bit and then you can always come back for more later.

CallieOK · « **Reply #1664 on:** March 11, 2011, 06:21:15 PM »

What a lovely change of subject, Barb.

Thank you.

Frybabe · « **Reply #1665 on:** March 11, 2011, 07:35:26 PM »

For years, when George and I went on road trips, I would point out the wildflowers along the road. He couldn't understand why I was so interested in identifying them. Now, just in the last two years, he sees a wildflower and asks what it is. What a change.

At the moment, I am reading The Nibelungenlied translated by D. G. Mowatt. I never knew the full story even though I loved Wagner's orchestral rendition of the Ring Cycle. I am surprised to find that Sifrid (sic) is only part of the story. I discovered (may have already known this to some degree) that the story appears to be based on older tales including a Norse tale. The Huns get involved later on in the tale. Lots of repetitious words like brave, strong, hero, happy, and joyous. They spend a lot of time, at great expense, to clothe themselves and their guests with the finest materials and gems, not to mention armor and kitting out the horses. It amazes me how often this comes up. I guess like any rich person, they don't want to be caught wearing the same thing twice to a party or war. This tale has everything, a dragon, a dwarf, a magic cloak, knights in shining armor, high born ladies, murder, treasure, jealousy, bravado, jausts and feasts.

ALF43 · « **Reply #1666 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:02:11 PM »

I downloaded the new debut novel by Tea Obreht today and have gotten thru the first 75 pages. The Tiger's Wife is the title. Has anyone read it yet?
I love the way it started out but she is one for descriptive scenery- over and over. I'll let you know.

rosemarykaye · « **Reply #1667 on:** March 12, 2011, 04:25:13 AM »

Frybabe - that gives me hope, as at present my husband is still very much at the former stage! I am always saying "Look at that flower" or "I wonder what that is" - all to no avail. Sometimes he suggests "daffodil". The only person I know who can identify wildflowers is the mother of one of my friends, but she lives miles away.

Here in Aberdeenshire we now have crocuses, snowdrops and even the start of the daffodils AND IT"S SNOWING

- I really thought we had finished with all of that, should have known better. I have just been re-reading the first bit of The Wind In The Willows:

"The mole had been working very hard all morning spring cleaning his little home........Spring was moving in the air above and in the earth below and around him, penetrating even his dark and lowly house with its spirit of divine discontent and longing........It all seemed too good to be true. Hither and thither through the meadows he rambled busily.....finding everywhere birds building, flowers budding, leaves thrusting - everything happy , and progressive, and occupied"

And here is an illustration that make me feel summery:

http://www.artpassions.net/cgi-bin/rackham.pl?../galleries/rackham/willows3.jpg

(This site also has lots of Rackham's illlustrations to The Ring.)

Rosemary

Steph · « **Reply #1668 on:** March 12, 2011, 06:12:28 AM »

Never thought, but Wind in the Willows is definitely a spring type book.. We are having a lot of wind and light cold ( I live in Florida, so none of that cold white stuff). We have an outdoor festival down by the lake today, so if the wind will let up, I will go down later.
Never saw The Searchers.. Just flat out was not a Wayne fan.

Babi · « **Reply #1669 on:** March 12, 2011, 08:18:07 AM »

I enjoyed that, BARB. It's been a while since I drove out into the countryside to enjoy
the bluebonnets, the Indian paintbrush, the Mexican hats. Nothing more beautiful than a
field full of bluebonnets, IMO. My grandmother introduced me to every wildflower around
this part of the country, and I still remember the names of many of them.
Crocuses and snowdrops do show up early, not that we see them in the Gulf Coast country.
We rarely see snow! Daffodils are early bloomers, too. Right now, our early blooms are
the redbud trees..so colorful.

Frybabe · « **Reply #1670 on:** March 12, 2011, 08:29:47 AM »

Rosemarykaye, what lovely illustrations. I love art done in watercolor and ink which is what some of these appear to be done in.

Steph · « **Reply #1671 on:** March 13, 2011, 06:30:10 AM »

Living in Florida, I do so miss the bulbs.. Tulips, daffodils, crocus,little teeny flowers that pop up in the last snow in New England.. We have some nice flowers, but I still think my roses up north were so much nicer than the ones down here. I love tea Roses and they do not do that well in Florida. YOu have to use too much insecticide and fungicides.

rosemarykaye · « **Reply #1672 on:** March 13, 2011, 07:33:19 AM »

What things do well there, Steph? Do you have orange trees? I was amazed at the lemon groves around Sorrento, and I think I remember seeing orange trees in California. My mother sent me a link to a site that shows the flowers of all the different states, but I don't seem to be able to post it. It is on Jacqueline Lawson cards, "An American Sketchbook".

I hand't really thought about the need for all the insecticides - I suppose that is because of the heat?

I too love roses, especially ones with scent. I had a lovely pink climbing rose in my last garden. Do you like the David Austin rose catalogues? -

http://www.davidaustinroses.com/english/advanced.asp

Rosemary

Babi · « **Reply #1673 on:** March 13, 2011, 09:37:43 AM »

One of my surprises when living in southern California was the very large, but scentless, flowers.
Personally, I would be happy with smaller flowers and keep the lovely scents.

mabel1015j · « **Reply #1674 on:** March 13, 2011, 12:01:04 PM »

We're having a strange phenomenen here in Jersey. My snowdrops are usually blooming in Jan and Feb and daffodills in Apr, but both are blooming together today. They look nice together, we have drifts of snowdrops........i don't know how they reproduce, but they must have tiny seeds that get blown on the winds. We started out w/ a plot only on one side of the back yard and every year they have spread to a bigger plot and then all over the property. I love them, being the first flower of the winter/spring. My daffodils bloom over a long period of spring. Some are early, the ones that are blooming now, and others come later w/ the tulips and the hyacinths- love hyacinths.....aaaahhh what a wonderful scent!

FlaJean · « **Reply #1675 on:** March 13, 2011, 01:29:28 PM »

We've been enjoying oranges from our orange tree for 12 or 13 years now. They are very sweet naval oranges. The tree is in bloom now and smells wonderful. The oranges won't be ready for picking until Dec. It is a long growing season. We have also a lemon tree.

ursamajor · « **Reply #1676 on:** March 13, 2011, 02:58:28 PM »

My lenten roses have spread up and down the bank in front of my house. They are white, pink and purple, and they make me very happy. The daffodils are pouting this year, but I hope they will be back in profusion next spring. Bulbs are the most satisfactory of flowers. You make an effort once and are rewarded again and again.

rosemarykaye · « **Reply #1677 on:** March 13, 2011, 03:10:28 PM »

Oh this all sounds so lovely - oranges and lemons, Lenten roses! I can just imagine them all. I always enjoy the clematis montana that spread vigorously in everyone's gardens here later in the year - also the fuschias, and the lilac trees.

And I agree, bulbs are so rewarding - just stick them in and off they go. Only problem is remembering where you put them and not sticking the fork through them by mistake

Rosemary

Steph · « **Reply #1678 on:** March 14, 2011, 06:24:53 AM »

Lilacs.. Oh I did so love the scent. When we built our first house in the town where I grew up, my Dad waited until I was gone for a day and came and planted a lilac outside my bedroom window. It was such a lovely surprise, I think when we moved away I cried harder over losing my lilac bush than the house.

BarbStAubrey · « **Reply #1679 on:** March 15, 2011, 12:16:42 AM »

Oh yes, Steph - When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom'd

Santa Fe must be one of the Lilac kingdoms of the world - it is too hot here for us to have lilacs but I remember visiting Sante Fe years ago in the Spring during Spring Break and the town was so filled with lilacs blooming the scent wrapped the entire town so that it creeped into your room at night. For me it was a blessing - smoking was yet not the no, no it has become and a hotel room recked so that the scent of the lilacs was such a relief. Every house and church yard and shopping area was filled with lilac bush after lilac bush - what a heady experience that was.

almost as great as driving the roads in Texas in Spring...

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