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Re: Fiction ~ Old ~ New ~ Best Sellers #2
« Reply #4760 on: May 03, 2013, 09:41:41 PM »

       
This is the place to talk about the works of fiction you are reading, whether they are new or old, and share your own opinions and reviews with interested readers.

Every week the new bestseller lists come out brimming with enticing looking books and rave reviews. How to choose?


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« Reply #4761 on: May 03, 2013, 09:46:05 PM »
Yes...children forced to pay overpayment made to parents.  See this link for the details:

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/12/05/welfare-recipients-children-being-forced-to-make-parents-payments/

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« Reply #4762 on: May 04, 2013, 08:24:10 AM »
You were not born yet?? and have to repay money your parents received.That is just flat out weird.
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« Reply #4763 on: May 04, 2013, 12:21:00 PM »
Now I do believe in this.  If parents have been collecting some type of welfare . If they had a home and a car the value of these did not stop them from collecting. Well then they both die.  I think that their assets, House,auto etc should have a Gov. lean against them and not go to grown up children to spend as they wish.  I know of two families were their parents are getting lot of Gov. subsidised funds. (food, utilities, work done on house. Medicaid.) Things like that. On Disability not SSec. Yet.

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« Reply #4764 on: May 04, 2013, 01:09:31 PM »
That sort of ruling means you can be BORN in debt!

I, for one, am totally against making children responsible for the sins of their fathers.  Or mothers.  Or debts.  Just not fair.

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« Reply #4765 on: May 04, 2013, 02:02:38 PM »
I agree MaryPage and along those lines we are I thought, trying to rehabilitate a prisoner and if a prisoner makes any money from their writing or art while in jail or by writing about their experience after they are released they must pay for the entire cost of their incarceration.

Where I have the greatest problem with this is not for a serious crime but for the many women who are incarcerated having finally stood up to domestic violence and not skilled it got out of hand so that she injures her abuser and because of low income she could not get adequate representation.

If prison life was fair and if the law was fair I could see a sliding scale but we want and expect the law to keep our communities safe and we are willing to pay to keep certain criminals off the street and we hope when they are released they have learned and bring greater skills to be a proud member of our community. To pay for their education beyond a high school diploma I can see but all prisoners I think ought to be equally housed and fed regardless if they are ambitious and turn their life around.
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« Reply #4766 on: May 05, 2013, 08:59:59 AM »
I agree except for the fact, that here in Florida we have good old judged innocent Casey Anthony and no one except her mother and the jury thinks she was entirely innocent of her crime. She is trying to declare bankruptcy, has not worked since her trial and lives off, no one knows exactly what..  I really do not want to see her b enefit over an innocent childs death.Granted it was probably an accident, but she knew and did not tell.
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« Reply #4767 on: May 05, 2013, 10:55:28 AM »
Barb, do you remember back around 2003 or 2004 when we read the book that came out of Wally Lamb's writing class at the Connecticut Prison for Women?  Some of the women in the class earned some royalties on the book and the state tried to collect payment from them.

There were several who wrote the state against that and I don't remember just what transpired. Ginny would know, I'm sure.  This was before the SeniorNet fallout, and as SeniorNet we collected books for prison libraries.

Here's a link from the archives to the book discussion, but nothing about the payments.

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« Reply #4768 on: May 05, 2013, 02:40:05 PM »
Thanks Pedln for the reminder -now I do remember - we get on with life and forget things that open our eyes so that today I see more of this than I did before that experience with Ginny and Wally Lamb.

When we mistreat prisoners it says more about us and reduces us to the level of the criminal - to me it is not if they deserve it or not it is how we treat life and how well we can change the behavior of someone who is seriously anti-social -

More and more we learn there is not prisoner who was not abused as a child - I know we can say but not all kids who are abused turn criminal but then not every boy who is angry and who was humiliated by others collects a cadre of guns and kills many is a public place like a school or movie theater - these folks are sick and if the research was there I can't help thinking we would know what the trigger is that prompts harmful anti-social behavior and for some the response to being a victim pushes them over the edge - but again - being fair in our treatment is not about them but about us.

I see that on a personal level - I can get bent out of shape and be just as ugly or step back and yes, I become sarcastic which is not right either but I found a tit for tat only messes up my way of looking at others and my thoughts leave being grateful for what I have in my life to plotting and planning what and how to say it.
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Re: Fiction ~ Old ~ New ~ Best Sellers #2
« Reply #4769 on: May 05, 2013, 02:58:27 PM »
Now I believe that if you are in Prison and have earned a Private Pension from working then it goes into a Bank Account. They don't take that.  I do believe that they take your Social Security earned like they do in a Nursing home if you are on Medicaid system.


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« Reply #4770 on: May 05, 2013, 03:01:45 PM »
Jeanne I think that is for work done while in prison but if you produce something during your time in jail often while in your cell and sell it on the open market and it is a success - the small earnings are not counted towards paying your incarceration however if you write a book or an article that is accepted in a magazine or a poem that is published or art work that sells in a gallery then you not only pay the prison any profit you make but you are billed for your entire incarceration. Not even your family gets any of the profits which if you are a father or mother could make a huge difference to your children.
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« Reply #4771 on: May 05, 2013, 04:49:33 PM »
I'm not sure but I think that Wally Lamb was listed as the author of that book which occurred from the women's class in writing he taught at Niantic?  I think the money would have gone to him legally and I'm sure he saved it for them, if that were necessary, he's that kind of person.

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« Reply #4772 on: May 05, 2013, 06:01:45 PM »
Just did a Google search about W Lamb's book.  Link and excerpt


CBS News and York

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But this was the real deal. Harper Collins bought the book for $75,000, to be split among the contributors. After all was said and done, each of the women would receive $5,600 dollars when they were released from prison.

Lamb made sure that prison and state officials were notified about the book deal, hoping they would embrace this unlikely success story. But he didn't hear a word, until a few days before the books reached the stores.

Instead of embracing the women for their accomplishment, the state of Connecticut decided to go after them with a vengeance.

The attorney general invoked a vaguely worded law that allows the state to charge inmates for their own incarceration. And the state sued the women, not for the $5,600 that they had made on the book deal, but for $117 a day, for every day they would spend in prison.

One inmate had a lien placed against her assets for $913,000. Another for $473,000. And to make things worse, uniformed sheriff's deputies served the papers.

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« Reply #4773 on: May 06, 2013, 07:49:49 AM »
I remember it was a mess. There is also a second book, but just now finding it in my library is probably not going to happen. A few were out by the time of the second book.. Wally Lamb did a wonderful thing for them..The state was the horror story. But I don't believe that every person in prison was abused. I had a lovely neighbor who had five children..Four successes and one druggie who has spent most of his adult life in and out of jail. Not abuse, simply drugs causing him to rob, etc.
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« Reply #4774 on: May 06, 2013, 08:51:26 AM »
Oh wow, I didn't know all that. I guess that's why he was on 60 Minutes that time, then. I remember all this now. He took on the establishment and won, apparently. When you read to the end of that article, written in 2007, it says:

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We knew we would face exactly the question that you've asked," says Blumenthal. "Isn't it 60 Minutes? Isn't it the PEN award? But my feeling was that we should do the right thing."

In this case, the right thing requires each of the inmates who shared in the proceeds of the book to pay the state of Connecticut $500 -- not hundreds of thousands of dollars the state had originally sought. Almost all of that money will go to the prison writing program, the same one the state tried to shut down.
Copyright 2007 CBS. All rights reserved.



So that looks good?

Wally Lamb is an incredible human being.

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« Reply #4775 on: May 06, 2013, 12:51:08 PM »
I'm reading an interesting, light book, An American Heiress by Dorothy Eden. The illegitimate dgt of a wealthy New Yorker is left with his widow by the house servant mother. The child grew up to become the maid of the legtimate dgt, but also educated with her. As adults the legtimate dgt is engaged to an English lord who needs her money to keep his estate operating. She and her step-sister and mother sail on the Luisitania to the wedding in England!!!

Yes! Hettie, the "maid", survives, the mother and fiancee die. The mother in an attempt to save her jewelry had made Hettie wear some of it when they were forced to abandon ship. When Hettie was found alive she was mistaken for the bride-to-be. She follows thru and marries the lord, who had only met the bride-to-be one brief time. It sounds like a stupid scenario, but Eden makes it seem plausible. The lord marries and hurries off to the trenches in WWI, Hetty takes control of her "inheritance", which you could say she rightly deserves being the other spawn of the father, and efficently and soundly uses it to fix up the estate. There is a woman who anticipated being the wife of the lord but had no money who is obviously going to be a problem. Also sounds silly, but i'm enjoying it.

I know that somewhere down the years she's going to get "caught." that's the suspense.

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« Reply #4776 on: May 06, 2013, 04:08:11 PM »
We were reading Lamb's book and corresponding with him when all this happened, if I remember correctly. We had a project of donating books to prisons for awhile.

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« Reply #4777 on: May 06, 2013, 05:53:17 PM »
Yes we did, we donated if I recall correctly over 7,000 books and the last I  heard it continues from the PEN/Faulkner to Niantic but that may have changed since we're no longer in   it.

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« Reply #4778 on: May 06, 2013, 06:16:48 PM »
Ginny, I'm fairly certain that the annual Pen/Faulkner book donation goes on as SeniorLearn and Pen/Faulkner Foundation are partners in the Library of Congress Center for Book.  To that extent, we are still credited with the partnership  sending hundreds of books to York.  Only now P/F pays the postage - we used to do it - as you will remember! :D 

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« Reply #4779 on: May 06, 2013, 06:19:05 PM »
You two worked very hard at it, if I remember.

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« Reply #4780 on: May 07, 2013, 06:58:30 AM »
Jean, I hope she doesn't get caught out.  Please do let us know.

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« Reply #4781 on: May 07, 2013, 08:51:04 AM »
In Senior net, we also sent books to an Indian reservation school. That was interesting as I recall.
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« Reply #4782 on: May 21, 2013, 12:26:55 PM »
There is a new phishing scam, tied to your Chase credit card (if you have one).  It will arrive in your Spam folder most likely, and while the logo looks correct, their email address is wrong, and there are misspelling errrors.  It asks for "information" about your account.  I called Chase and they are aware.  Just delete immediately.
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« Reply #4783 on: May 21, 2013, 12:27:22 PM »
Pass this one on.
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« Reply #4784 on: May 22, 2013, 09:39:51 AM »
It would appear that THE big book of this year will be the third by a very fine Afghan/American writer:  Khalid Hosseini, "And The Mountains Echoed."  It had a fantastic review in The Washington Post.

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« Reply #4785 on: May 22, 2013, 03:35:50 PM »
Today is the 210th anniversity of the opening of the first Public Library (Philadelphia)! Hooray, libraries!

(My source didn't make clear whether that was first anywhere or first in the US).

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« Reply #4786 on: May 22, 2013, 03:52:35 PM »
Thank you Ben Franklin!!! The word "public" may be significant in your statement Joan. There were subscription libraries in Europe and U S before. In fact Ben's first foray was a lending library for his Junto philosophical society, a group of men who met weekly to talk about new ideas of all kinds, and the Phila Public Library was build on that collection of books. Ben apparently pushed the idea frequently before he died. That was the info i have read about it anyway.

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« Reply #4787 on: May 22, 2013, 04:31:57 PM »
"public" is right. There have been great libraries throughout history. Remember he one in Alexandria that burned. And saving many documents when Pompaii erupted. Don't know what you had to do (or who you had to know) to gain accress to those.

Wonder about our Library of Congress. The stacks aren't open to the public, but the catalog is, and you can order books to read there. Wonder when this became true for everyone?

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« Reply #4788 on: May 23, 2013, 03:22:26 PM »
Can someone here remind me of the website where you can look up mystery books, by LOCALE?  I know it's not Stop You're Killing Me, but my mind is going absolutely blank on the other site.  Help !!!
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« Reply #4789 on: May 23, 2013, 05:02:15 PM »
Library of Congress is a fascinating place.. ONe of my all time fav orites.
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« Reply #4790 on: May 23, 2013, 09:21:17 PM »
Tomereader - Stop you're Killing Me does give you mysteries by location. That's where i have my list if NJ and Pa mysteries.

E.g.   http://www.stopyourekillingme.com/LocationCats/USA/NewJersey.html

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« Reply #4791 on: May 24, 2013, 08:48:51 PM »
Mabel.
Now is that site just for New Jersey? It is a good one but I need another state.

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« Reply #4792 on: May 24, 2013, 09:08:06 PM »
I am pretty sure it works for lots of areas, since I tried it for Boston once..
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« Reply #4793 on: June 13, 2013, 09:17:48 AM »










where did everybody go?

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« Reply #4794 on: June 13, 2013, 11:25:02 AM »
I was wondering that myself! LOL.  Usually this board has frequent posts, but it was idle from May 24.  Everyone posting over in "The Library" I think.  Good to have someone back here!
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« Reply #4795 on: June 14, 2013, 08:28:42 AM »
Yes, everyone is on the library and not here. I think the general fiction puts themoff.. But it shouldnt. We all read a wide variety of books. I am still wavering around on something  really interest me.. We had quite a storm last night. Wow.. Living in the summer backed up to a major amount of large trees, I tend to be cautious when the wind blows like that, but all is well. Lost power for maybe an hour all in all..
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« Reply #4796 on: June 14, 2013, 11:42:32 AM »
Jeanne - on the left-hand side of that page is a link to "location index" click on that and then you can pick whatever country or state you want.

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« Reply #4797 on: June 14, 2013, 12:44:40 PM »
Jeanne - I don't know if I mentioned it before, but http://www.tripfiction.com/ lists books by location, genre, etc - you can choose from places all over the world, including different US states, cities in Europe, etc.  I like it.

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« Reply #4798 on: June 14, 2013, 05:33:41 PM »
How does one get to the library?  There's always that ten percent that doesn't get the word.

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« Reply #4799 on: June 14, 2013, 06:46:21 PM »
OK here is the link however, if you go to the top of the posts just above where it says in the blue bar Post reply there is a line that starts with SeniorLearn.org Discussin > General Book Discussions & More -

Hit either of those two link phrases and you will come to an index of all the discussion in SeniorLearn - as you scroll down you will see Library and like every discussion, once you post in the discussion, the discussion will come back up when in the future you hit at the top of the page the line that says "Show new replies in discussions in which you have posted."

http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?board=18.0
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