Bring in the Harvest with a Latin root:
  1. Mippy - Bread made from Grain - frumrntum (neuter)
  2. Maryemm - Wine -
  3. Pedln - Food Preservation -
  4. okietxjenjen - Liebstoeckl - levisticum officinale (dried roots used as spice)
  5. Helpul - Peacock tongues & other foods of the rich -
  6. zellr - kale and collards -
  7. normlet3 - pig - porcus
  8. normlet3 - figs - ficus
  9. Edith Anne - fruit - fructus, -us
  10. Edith Anne - Celery - selinon
  11. Edith Anne - Carrot - carola
  12. Edith Anne - Beet - beta
  13. Edith Anne - Broccoli - broccus
  14. Edith Anne - Cauliflower - caulis,
  15. Edith Anne - Flower - flos, floris
  16. Edith Anne - Jelly - gelare
  17. Pedln - honey - mel, mellis
  18. Pedln - apple - malum, mali or pomum, pomi
  19. sandyrose - Chestnuts - Castanea sativa - Link
  20. sandyrose - The Food Time Line - 17,000 BC to 2006
cook1 - 05:46am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1731 of 1743) 103 garum, a fermented fish sauce. _____________________________________________________________________ fdobbs - 08:12am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1739 of 1743) http://www.licares.org/potpourri/Ceres/Ceres.htm Another very interesting article on Ceres goddess of Agriculturehttp://www.licares.org/potpourri/Ceres/Ceres.htm ____________________________________________________________________________ JIW - 09:34am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1741 of 1743) Panetta's book on Pompeii has a chapter on foods. She notes that the Romans ate a wider variety of meats than we do today. Pliny the Elder stated that pork had about fifty different flavors. Fowl, fish and a wide variety of birds seemed to be the most popular meats, but dormice and donkeys were widely appreciated. Small animals were dipped in a batter made of flour and eggs, and deep fried in lard. Beef was too valuable to slaughter as they were considered work animals; only the wealthy could afford to eat them. Evidence is found in Pompeii that some animals were bred within the city for food purposes. _______________________________________- marni0308 - 10:15am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1743 of 1743) Discussion Leader, Books Ostrich Ragoût with Spelt (Triticum spelta) Flour I was hunting for ancient Roman grains and recipes that used flour and came across a recipe for Ostrich Ragoût. I just heard yesterday that Connecticut's escapee emu died of a heart attack when it was finally captured after weeks of freedom running around in CT hills. So, I thought a recipe for ostrich was appropriate. Apicius provides a recipe for ostrich. The recipe includes "garum," the fish sauce that Cook1 mentioned. It also includes "spelt flour," a type of flour ancient Romans might have kept handy. "In struthione elixo: piper, mentam, cuminum assume, apii semen, dactylos vel caryotas, mel, acetum, passum, liquamen, et oleum modice et in caccabo facies ut bulliat. Amulo obligas, et sic partes struthionis in lance perfundis, ete desuper piper aspargis. Si autem in condituram coquere volueris, alicam addis." Translation: "For boiled ostrich: pepper, mint, roast cumin, celery seed, dates or Jericho dates, honey, vinegar, passum, garum, a little oil. Put these in the pot and bring to the boil. Bind with amulum, pour over the pieces of ostrich in a serving dish and sprinkle with pepper. If you wish to cook the ostrich in the sauce, add alica." "You may prefer to roast or fry your ostrich, rather than boil it. Whichever method you choose, this sauce goes with it well. For 500g ostrich pieces, fried or boiled, you will need: 2 teaspoon flour 2 tablespoons olive oil 300ml passum (dessert wine) 1 tablespoon roast cumin seeds 1 teaspoon celery seeds 3 pitted candied dates 3 tablespoons garum or a 50g tin of anchovies 1 teaspoon peppercorns 2 tablespoons fresh chopped mint 1 teaspoon honey 3 tablespoons strong vinegar Make a roux with the flour and 1 tablespoon of the olive oil, add the passum, and continue to stir until the sauce is smooth. Pound together in the following order: the cumin, celery seeds, dates, garum or anchovies, peppercorns, chopped mint, the remaining olive oil, the honey, and vinegar. Add this to the thickened wine sauce. Then stir in the ostrich pieces and let them heat through in the sauce." http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/233472.html Spelt (Triticum spelta) triticus: wheat, tritico = thresh Origin: L, perhaps fr. Tritus, p. P. Of terere to grind spelta: [Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin spelta, probably of Germanic origin; akin to Middle Dutch spelte, wheat.] http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Triticum+spelta "Spelt is an ancient grain that traces its heritage back long before many wheat hybrids. Many of its benefits come from this fact: it offers a broader spectrum of nutrients compared to many of its more inbred cousins in the Triticum (wheat) family. Spelt features a host of different nutrients. It is an excellent source of vitamin B2, a very good source of manganse, and a good source of niacin, thiamin, and copper. This particular combination of nutrients provided by spelt may make it a particularly helpful food for persons with migraine headache, atherosclerosis, or diabetes." http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=143 Info and Photo of Spelt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt ______________________________________________________________________ Mippy - 06:01am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1410 of 1420) Thanksgiving basket: Bread made from grain, or cereal Latin: frumentum (neuter) The essential basis for the diet of the Romans. The word cereal derives from Ceres, the name of the Roman goddess of harvest and agriculture. Grains are traditionally called corn . Shall I give material about the Roman "grain dole" in a different post? or is that too much? Here's a link: Grain _______________________________________________________________________ Maryemm - 06:26am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1411 of 1420) 104 I'm contributing Wine , the best Falernian, and, to make it more interesting, I've managed to acquire a DIOTA which is a Roman vessel for holding wine, or water. It should really have a stand but the pointed bottom can be thrust into soft ground so that will have to do! Lots were found in the ruined cellars of Pompeii so they won't miss this one!! Why Wine? Trimalchio, the slave-turned-patrician who was the central character of Petronius’ Satyricon, was heard to observe: “Ah me, wine lives longer than miserable man. So let us be merry. Wine is Life.”
WINE Roman Wine ...and while you're reading all this (of course!), you can listen to the Greek music here at: Bacchus, God of Wine :) ____________________________________________________________ pedln - 07:13am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1412 of 1420) DL, Books; On the Mississippi River at the only inland "Cape" Thinking of our grocery shelves, I was surprised to see honey listed as a means of preserving fruit, such as Swiss plums and apples. Third-quality honey was used because of its high percentage of wax. Pliny stated, "They coat the finest apples with plaster or wax, but if the fruit is not yet ripe, it breaks the coating by growing in size . . . There are also some who give quinces a coat of pontic wax and then dip them in honey" (This brings back memories of a farmer uncle who had honey right in the comb. Great to chew on.) A link to more about Roman food preservation Food Preservation in the Roman Empire __________________________________________________________________________ okietxjenjen - 07:16am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1413 of 1420) 104 I'm bringING to the harvest some: Liebstoeckl: in Latin it's called 'levisticum officinale'. It's an umbelliferous plant with yellowish flowers. Its dried roots are used as spice. It seems to be a kind of celery. ________________________________________________________________________ Maryemm - 08:45am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1418 of 1420) Okie Liebstoeckl was new to me so I looked it up. It appears to be our Lovage which found its way to the UK from Mediterranean regions. This is what the plant looks like: and more detail can be found here at: Lovage _____________________________________________________________________ okietxjenjen - 09:18am Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1420 of 1420) 104 Maryemm I had never heard of Lovage, until I ran across this site looking for something to bring to the Harvest meal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/romanway_recipes2.shtml How interesting. This is alot of fun. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________ I was hunting for ancient Roman grains and recipes that used flour and came across a recipe for Ostrich Ragoût. I just heard yesterday that Connecticut's escapee emu died of a heart attack when it was finally captured after weeks of freedom running around in CT hills. So, I thought a recipe for ostrich was appropriate. Apicius provides a recipe for ostrich. The recipe includes "garum," the fish sauce that Cook1 mentioned. It also includes "spelt flour," a type of flour ancient Romans might have kept handy. "In struthione elixo: piper, mentam, cuminum assume, apii semen, dactylos vel caryotas, mel, acetum, passum, liquamen, et oleum modice et in caccabo facies ut bulliat. Amulo obligas, et sic partes struthionis in lance perfundis, ete desuper piper aspargis. Si autem in condituram coquere volueris, alicam addis." Translation: "For boiled ostrich: pepper, mint, roast cumin, celery seed, dates or Jericho dates, honey, vinegar, passum, garum, a little oil. Put these in the pot and bring to the boil. Bind with amulum, pour over the pieces of ostrich in a serving dish and sprinkle with pepper. If you wish to cook the ostrich in the sauce, add alica." "You may prefer to roast or fry your ostrich, rather than boil it. Whichever method you choose, this sauce goes with it well. For 500g ostrich pieces, fried or boiled, you will need: 2 teaspoon flour
2 tablespoons olive oil
300ml passum (dessert wine)
1 tablespoon roast cumin seeds
1 teaspoon celery seeds
3 pitted candied dates
3 tablespoons garum or a 50g tin of anchovies
1 teaspoon peppercorns
2 tablespoons fresh chopped mint
1 teaspoon honey
3 tablespoons strong vinegar Make a roux with the flour and 1 tablespoon of the olive oil, add the passum, and continue to stir until the sauce is smooth. Pound together in the following order: the cumin, celery seeds, dates, garum or anchovies, peppercorns, chopped mint, the remaining olive oil, the honey, and vinegar. Add this to the thickened wine sauce. Then stir in the ostrich pieces and let them heat through in the sauce." http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/233472.html Spelt (Triticum spelta) triticus: wheat, tritico = thresh Origin: L, perhaps fr. Tritus, p. P. Of terere to grind spelta: [Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin spelta, probably of Germanic origin; akin to Middle Dutch spelte, wheat.] http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Triticum+spelta "Spelt is an ancient grain that traces its heritage back long before many wheat hybrids. Many of its benefits come from this fact: it offers a broader spectrum of nutrients compared to many of its more inbred cousins in the Triticum (wheat) family. Spelt features a host of different nutrients. It is an excellent source of vitamin B2, a very good source of manganse, and a good source of niacin, thiamin, and copper. This particular combination of nutrients provided by spelt may make it a particularly helpful food for persons with migraine headache, atherosclerosis, or diabetes." http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=143 Info and Photo of Spelt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt ______________________________________________________________________ normlet3 - 12:56pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1424 of 1428) Keep it simple & smile. Porcus=pig Ficus= figs. ________________________________________________________________________ Ken1 - 08:29pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1746 of 1756) I found this web site: http://www.historyonthenet.com/Romans/food.htm This article suggested that they typically ate pottage, a thick stew made from millet, wheat, or corn. They would also add meat and wine sauce. _______________________________________________________________________- above have been posted 11-16-06 _____________________________________________________________________ Email this Discussion ---CLASSROOM: Latin 104: Anderson Welcome to Latin 104 Lessons & Assignments Send homework to gvinesc@bellsouth.net Games: Adjective and Noun Agreement || Third Declension masculine and feminine nouns ||Prepositions:Matching|| Prepositions:Accusative or Ablative?||More 3rd Declension Nouns & I-Stem Adjectives|| Match the Preposition to the Case||Unit IX Review:Nouns||Unit IX Review:Verbs, Adverbs, Adjectives|| Lesson XLIX Cineas et Pyrrhus:Matching||Lesson XLIX Cineas et Pyrrhus: Hangman|| Unit X Unit X,Lesson L:Saturnus et Iuppiter:Matching|| Lesson L:Saturnus et Iuppiter:Hangman||Hic Haec Hoc:Rags to Riches||Prepositions and the Cases they Govern||Caedicius Fortis:Matching||Caedicius Fortis:Hangman||Latin Phrases No. I|| Latin Phrases No. II||Latin Phrases No. III||Latin Phrases No. IV||Lesson LII Civitas Romana: Matching|| Lesson LII Civitas Romana: Hangman||Lesson LIII Midas:Vocabulary||Lesson LIV, Horatius et Lesson LV Cicero et Tiro: Vocab: || Unit X Vocab. Review:Hangman, Part 1|| Unit X Vocab. Review: Hangman, Part 2|| Lesson LV:Cicero et Tiro:Pronouns/Pronominal Adjectives||LessonLV: Cicero et Tiro:Phrases|| Class Work : This morning by request we'll work with the prior infamous Exercise E hahahaa. We'll try substituting another verb for the underlined words and see if we can do it: . 1. Are they running? 2. We saw them coming 3. Are they going to run?/ .4. After he heard the story he grew sad. 5. I heard the sound of her coming 6. She was going to say something. 7. While coming to school I saw an accident. 8. He found the lost mittens 9. The soldiers saw the running fugitive. 10. Tell the overcome women the story. . EX: Tell the captured leaders the story____________________ Let's see what we can do substituting participles today! Participle Practice Time!! PPT! Bring in the Harvest with a Latin root: cook1 - fermented fish sauce - garum JIW - Spelt Flour - Triticum spelta JIW - wheat - triticus Mippy - bread (from grain) - frumrntum (neuter) Maryemm - wine - Latin root? okietxjenjen - Liebstoeckl - levisticum officinale (dried roots used as spice) normlet3 - pig - porcus normlet3 - figs - ficus -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Instructor: Ginny -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access to this discussion: Athena2, Edith Anne, goldenrain, helpul, Manny..., Maryemm, Mippy, normlet3, okietxjenjen, pedln, sandyrose, wayward, zellr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maryemm - 01:56pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1425 of 1446) capio, ablative, feminine, plural Present : capientibus Future : capturis Perfect ; captis NEXT audio ; Nominative, Plural, Neuter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mippy - 02:03pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1426 of 1446) audio: Nominative, neuter, plural & translate Present active: audientia, hearing Future active: auditura, going to hear Perfect passive: audita, having been heard Next: audio: Genitive, masculine, plural and translate -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sandyrose - 03:09pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1427 of 1446) audio: Genitive, masculine, plural and translate Present Active Participle: audientium=hearing Future Active Participle: auditurorum=going to hear Perfect Passive Participle: auditorum=having been heard Next: audio: Dative, masculine, plural and translate -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edith Anne - 03:25pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1428 of 1446) Next: audio: Dative, masculine, plural and translate Present Active Participle: audientibus (to or for hearing) Future Active Participle: audituris ( going to hear) Perfect Passive Participle: auditis (having been heard, heard) Next: nosco, noscere, novi ,notus – Fem. Abl. Plural -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pedln - 05:43pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1429 of 1446) DL, Books; On the Mississippi River at the only inland "Cape" nosco, noscere, novi ,notus – Fem. Abl. Plural present active: nocentibus (Where? In the SeniorNet Learning Center ) future active: noturis perfect passive: notis Next: nosco – Masc., sing. nom. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pedln - 05:49pm Nov 15, 2006 PT (#1430 of 1446) DL, Books; On the Mississippi River at the only inland "Cape" Maryemm and okietxjenjen -- Enjoyed the links about lovage. Talk about coincidence -- I'd never heard the word until yesterday, but it's been dreary days here in SE MO, a good time to settle in with light mystery fiction and my choice was "The Nantucket Diet Murders" by Virginia Rich. And in the first or second chapter, one of the characters says she's going to check out the salad bar to see if there is any LOVAGE. I sure hope it doesn't turn out to be the murder weapon. (Two murders already and it's only page 53.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maryemm - 02:46am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1431 of 1446) nosco – Masc., sing. nom. Present : noscens : knowing Future : noturus : about to know Perfect : notus : known NEXT nosco : Genitive, Neuter, Plural Ann Ha! Ha! The Truth is out there somewhere!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny - 05:00am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1432 of 1446) SeniorNet Classics Project/ Books & Literature/ Culture Well a bright good morning to you all, and boy we're really reaping a fine harvest already!! Love it! Lovage, isn't there a poem about lovage?? I'll be getting those in the heading by the end of today, keep 'em coming. I will also go back and double check what I ran thru this morning in blue of your work here today. All homework is now returned and it's time to try something new in class today, a request in the homework of the Famous Exercise E, we'll like this. See L&A, see heading in one second. In the homework I notice that you all are now noting patterns in this participle work. I can see that you are beginning to arrange them in the order, for instance, that you learned them. So we have people doing the 4th principal part first, then the Future Active participle (which comes off it, really) and then the Present Active Participle. But whatever order you put them in, try to figure out the way they are constructed so that you can see the patterns and save yourself endless looking up. For instance all of you can decline aqua, right? And servus? And templum (First and Second Declension) Without looking? If not take the time and the flash cards to get THOSE down because those ARE the endings for the Future Active Participle AND the Perfect Passive Participle, and the only "new " thing is the Present Active Participle! But, behold, Jenny has identified an error in the text!! YES! Another prize!! She sees something wrong in paragraph 555, and she is absolutely correct and it's been corrected in the 2003 text, and subsequent texts, but what IS it? GREAT work, Jenny!!! So this morning we're smokin'. The participles are not only fun they are easy to master and to have a firm hold on, and will lead to all SORTS of fun constructions, we're getting to the good stuff now!!! So let's begin, I'll go first: (be very careful with these) Tell the captured leaders the story________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny - 05:06am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1433 of 1446) SeniorNet Classics Project/ Books & Literature/ Culture I believe I have failed to mention that this class is ahead of schedule and we can slow down a little bit, so congratulations on all your hard work and good work! Enjoy the Participles today!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pedln - 06:23am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1434 of 1446) DL, Books; On the Mississippi River at the only inland "Cape" This is where tabbed browsing comes in really handy -- with either Firefox or IE7. You can click from our classroom right over to Ginny's L & A. Jane or Pat could probably explain it a lot better than I could. It's great. Tell the captured leaders the story________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pedln - 06:38am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1435 of 1446) DL, Books; On the Mississippi River at the only inland "Cape" Tell the captured leaders the story. captis dative, masc., pl. The boys saw the laughing hyena. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maryemm - 07:22am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1436 of 1446) The boys saw the laughing hyena ridentem Accusative, Masculine, Singular. I have, with a wave of my wand, changed the hyena into a dog. A complication of this is that canis is Common Gender and can be either a dog or a bitch. I have chosen to say "canis" here is a dog, therefore Masculine. and if, after all that, my Participle is incorrect........... NEXT Are they fighting? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- helpul - 07:51am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1437 of 1446) NEXT Are they fighting? pugnantes This is correct in Exercise E, from the choices of participles they gave, however we know that "they are fighting" is pugnant and so is "are they fighting." And this is ONE reason that it's hard for us to make sentences out of participles till we learn the gerund, so this is right for the exercise! Next: The enemies having been captured, the arriving army swept on. Helen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mippy - 07:58am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1438 of 1446) The enemies having been captured, the arriving army swept on. capti sunt, having been captured, Nom, masc, pl, use perfect passive participle perveniens, arriving, present active participle, Nom, masc, singular next? In Edit, thanks, Ginny #3 from the header, with a different verb: Are they going to walk? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ginny - 08:11am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1439 of 1446) SeniorNet Classics Project/ Books & Literature/ Culture We are taking the sentences in the heading, which are the former Exercise E, (with an additional 3) for which they gave us a very limited choice of participles, and we are changing the underlined verbs to another verb so that we can practice with another verb in that situation? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edith Anne - 10:27am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1440 of 1446) Are they going to walk? ambulaturae #2. We saw them working. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edith Anne - 11:01am Nov 16, 2006 PT (#1441 of 1446) My contribution to the Thanksgiving meal: fruit - Latin fructus, -us, fruit, produce Frui – enjoy, make use of Latin fructus, -us, fruit, produce Frui – enjoy, make use of Celery – Late Latin – selinon Carrot – Latin –carola Beet – Latin – beta Broccoli – Latin – broccus Cauliflower – Latin – caulis, Flower – Latin - flos, floris Jelly – Latin - gelare