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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #200 on: February 12, 2009, 12:46:03 AM »

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The year is 1946.  Juliet Aston, a writer looking for her next book subject, finds herself "gloomier than she ever was during the war."  Quite out of the blue she finds her subject, one  that will change her life, with the arrival of a letter from a member of a book club in Guernsey, a British Channel island occupied by the Nazis during the war.

Discussion Schedule:

Feb. 1-7   *Letters -- January 8, 1946 - March 1, 1946
Feb. 8-14    *Letters -- March 2, 1946 - May 13, 1946
Feb. 15-21   *Letters -- May 14, 1946 - July 15, 1946
Feb. 22-28     *Letters -- July 17, 1946 - Sept. 17, 1946
               

Feb. 8-14    Letters -- March 2, 1946 - May 13, 1946

 1.  How do you envision the  Literary Society meetings now that we are hearing from more members?  How has the Literary Society grown from the original six?   Which members do you find interesting?
2. Is there a   deeper meaning to the various characters' choices or did the Shaffer randomly choose the authors referred to in the book? (Jude)
3.  "I did not want to spend my time reading about  people who never was, doing things they never did." (Clovis Fossey) Do you know people who feel this way about fiction?  How did the busy farmer  become interested in poetry?   When was the last time you  memorized a poem?
4.  Why is Adelaide Addison so intent on putting an end to Juliet's correspondance with the literary society especially now that Elizabeth McKenna is no longer on the island?
5.  How is Juliet's correspondance with the Guernsey Literary Society affecting her relationship with Mark?    Do you sense that Sidney is more than just a big brother friend?  (Who is Piers?)
6.  Why would the Islander girls and Dawsey Adams fraternize with German soldiers?  How do they communicate?  What did they have in common?
7. To whom does the Jewish John Booker owe his survival during the occupation?   What drew him to the  the letters of Seneca?
8.  What gruesome information does Juliet's research reveal about events and conditions on the islands during the occupation?  Why does she decide she must go to Guernsey? 
9. Will you share your underlining, your notes on this week's letters; what surprised you, riled you, or tickled your fancy?


Related Links: Author's Biography; Visit Guernsey ;   A history of Guernsey during the German Occupation 1940 - 1941 ; Charles Lamb - Selected Essays ; the letters of Seneca

Discussion Leaders:  JoanP and Pedln



Bellamarie:
JoanPWho was that other author Mark likes?  I've flipped pages for the last 20 minutes looking for his name!

pg.86  Dos Passos and Hemmingway.
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #201 on: February 12, 2009, 01:00:18 AM »
I can see why Mary Ann would choose Dos Passos and Hemingway to be Mark's favorite.  They write on things he would be most interested in and much like the personality of Mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dos_Passos
Dos Passos' pioneering works of nonlinear fiction were a major influence in the field. In particular Alfred Döblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz and Jean-Paul Sartre's The Roads To Freedom trilogy show the influence of his methods. In an often cited 1936 essay, Sartre referred to Dos Passos as "the greatest writer of our time". Perhaps the best-known work partaking of the cut-up technique found in U.S.A. is science fiction writer John Brunner's Hugo Award-winning 1968 "non-novel" Stand on Zanzibar, in which Brunner makes use of fictitious newspaper clippings, television announcements, and other "samples" taken from the news and entertainment media of the year 2010. Joe Haldeman's novel Mindbridge also uses the cut-up technique, as does his short story, "To Howard Hughes: A Modest Proposal".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hemingway

an American novelist, short-story writer, and journalist. He was part of the 1920s expatriate community in Paris, and one of the veterans of World War I later known as "the Lost Generation". He received the Pulitzer Prize in 1953 for The Old Man and the Sea, and the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1954.

Hemingway's distinctive writing style is characterized by economy and understatement, and had a significant influence on the development of twentieth-century fiction writing. His protagonists are typically stoical men who exhibit an ideal described as "grace under pressure". Many of his works are now considered classics of American literature.

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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #202 on: February 12, 2009, 07:57:35 AM »
Perhaps, I am mentioning this too soon, but has anyone noticed that the life stories of Juliet and Elizabeth are parallel?  They both lost their parents or in Elizabeth's case, lost her mother at a very early age.  They both were raised by or cared for by men who were more involved in their own lives.  I liked Elizabeth's man the best as I thought he really did try to make her life more family like.  Taking her to Guernsey for the summer while she was maturing.  What a delightful little scamp she was.  And, when she immediately found an excuse for the small group of curfew breakers caught by the German gendarme,  I cheered for her.  She has always had to be on her toes since no one seems to have reined  her in.  She must have heard all kinds of things about the island folk when she went to see with the "rough" men to fish.  And, children who sort of live on their own seem to be always able to make up excuses quickly.
And another comparison,  Juliet and Elizabeth both had best friends.  For Juliet it was Sophie and for Elizabeth, it was Jane. 


I started another book about books and authors and its a simple read.  I can hear the accents of these people and am beginning to apply them to our book.  Of course, its all in English! My new book is another of M.C. Beaton's Hamish MacBeth sagas.  Humorous, comical and mysterious.  Hamish has a new dog who has short legs, describes like the Westminster winner on Tuesday night.
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #203 on: February 12, 2009, 08:13:18 AM »
It's interesting that Mark's two favorite authors are Dos Passos and Hemingway and I found this quote while searching for info on Dos Passos.

" In a blurb for a European edition, Ernest Hemingway wrote that, alone among American writers, Dos Passos has "been able to show to Europeans the America they really find when they come here."

I think Mark's choices, were an indication, he was a man ahead of his times.

AdoAnnie, It is not at all too soon to point out their similarities, I believe many posts back we were questioning if Elizabeth/Juliet/Mary Ann Shaffer, were one in the same.  This book is proving to be an array of puzzle pieces.  I think of all the large puzzles I tackled over the years, and how I was so sure a piece fit, only to find out it was just a jutted edge off and was not the right piece, no matter how many times I turned it and tried prying it in place.  That is how I feel about reading this book, just when I think I may have something figured out, a jutted piece shows me it does not fit.  Just when I feel comfortable with what I think I figured out, JoanP throws out a question that sends me into a tizzy.  lolol  I don't think I've had so much fun, reading a book.
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #204 on: February 12, 2009, 08:45:04 AM »
I guess I am being simplistic( if that isnt a word, it should be). Juliet just strikes me as the type of woman who loves to pretend to be independent and bold.. But and this is a big BUT,, she tends to let herself fall into traps with the type of male, who is handsome, charming but very much in charge. She really needs a different type of male and for some reason does it to herself all the time. I actually have known several women who carried this to an extreme.. I even have a male friend who married five times, because he kept marrying women who were childish and then when they grew up, he wanted out..
I love Eben and his quotes.. He quote Eli.."LOnesome in my spirits" and that hit home. I have moved a good deal in my life and I know that feeling.
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #205 on: February 12, 2009, 08:45:05 AM »
Thanks, Bella, for your answer.
Since I have been assigned the very end of the dining room table for my computering while we are working a 39" X 19" puzzle on the other 3/4's of the table, you couldn't have used a better comparison of books an d puzzles.
I want to mention that we have an old SN member on S&F's sight who lived through the war.  She has told me many stories of her and her husband's lives.  Maybe I should ask her to come in here and comment.  I am not sure if she will.  Her name is Gladys and she is true good friend to all of us.  I believe she has also been here as long as we have and I know that she has attended many of our book bashes.  Quite a dancer at the grand age of 85!!
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« Reply #206 on: February 12, 2009, 10:25:03 AM »
Good morning, Chicks!

So many good thoughts posted here - where to begin?

Jude - oh yes, the link with John Booker to Seneca becomes very clear with the added information about Seneca.  Thank you for your thoughtful post - and conclusion -
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Shaffer, in this case showed how one book alone can help a specific type of person with a specific problem.  How ever this reading of one book , over and over, helped John Booker overcome his Alcoholism and begin to experience life with a clearer sense of self.

It is facinating watching Mary Ann Shaffer put this book together,
 I'm enjoying this almost as I am the story itself.
Hemingway - yes, that's it. Thanks for this - and for your reserach, Bellamarie.    Does Juliet react when she learns that Hemingway and Dos Passos are Mark's favorite writers?  Those authors  are not on her list of favs, are they?   By the way, what is Mark doing in London?  Is he an expatriot?  Is he just there for business?  Would he really want to take our Juliet to live in NY?

Annie, aren't the similarities between Juliet and Elizabeth striking?  Especially now that Juliet is becoming so involved with the literary society - the little circle that Elizabeth had created.  I sense that not only are they similar, but that Juliet is stepping into Elizabeth's place in the story, in the hearts of the Guernsians. Do you feel that?

Ann, would you invite dear Gladys.  That would be wonderful.  I wonder if she's heard of this book?  Even without the book, she would certainly have much to add to our discussion.  She is a Brit, do I remember correctly?

Steph - Your post yesterday about Dawsey and his description of Christian Hellman reminded me of another link to Charles Lamb.  Dawsey lent him Juliet's copy of Lamb's essays, which we know  was in English.  The German must have been able to read English then?  So Christian Hellman loved to read CHarles Lamb.  What is Mary Ann Shaffer saying here?  Is she purposely linking Dawsey and Hellman?

Off to babysit littel granddaughter - back later, probably exhausted...

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« Reply #207 on: February 12, 2009, 10:27:53 AM »
Good morning, Chicks!

So many good thoughts posted here - where to begin?

Jude - oh yes, the link with John Booker to Seneca becomes very clear with the added information about Seneca.  Thank you for your thoughtful post - and conclusion -
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Shaffer, in this case showed how one book alone can help a specific type of person with a specific problem.  How ever this reading of one book , over and over, helped John Booker overcome his Alcoholism and begin to experience life with a clearer sense of self.

It is just fascinating watching Mary Ann Shaffer put this book together.
 I'm enjoying this almost as I am the story itself.

Hemingway - yes, that's it. Thanks for this - and for your research, Bellamarie.  You win the prize!    Does Juliet react when she learns that Hemingway and Dos Passos are Mark's favorite writers?  Those authors  are not on her list of favs, are they?   By the way, what is Mark doing in London?  Is he an ex patriot?  Is he just there for business?  Would he really want to take our Juliet to live in NY?

Annie, aren't the similarities between Juliet and Elizabeth striking?  Especially now that Juliet is becoming so involved with the literary society - the little circle that Elizabeth had created.  I sense that not only are they similar, but that Juliet is stepping into Elizabeth's place in the story, in the hearts of the Guernsians. Do you feel that?

Ann, would you invite dear Gladys.  That would be wonderful.  I wonder if she's heard of this book?  Even without the book, she would certainly have much to add to our discussion.  She is a Brit, do I remember correctly?

Steph - Your post yesterday about Dawsey and his description of Christian Hellman reminded me of another link to Charles Lamb.  Dawsey lent him Juliet's copy of Lamb's essays, which we know  was in English.  The German must have been able to read English then?  So Christian Hellman loved to read Charles Lamb.  What is Mary Ann Shaffer saying here?  Is she purposely linking Dawsey and Hellman?

Off to babysit little toddler granddaughter - back later, probably exhausted...she's into everything!

bellamarie

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« Reply #208 on: February 12, 2009, 10:45:05 AM »
JoanP,
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I sense that not only are they similar, but that Juliet is stepping into Elizabeth's place in the story, in the hearts of the Guernsians. Do you feel that?

I most certainly feel Juliet is coming to Guernsey, and will be stepping into Elizabeth's place.  I also feel and fear, Elizabeth will not be returning to Guernsey.  As sad as it may turn out to be, I'm sensing they will be getting some bad news and Juliet's presence will help them deal with the loss.  I hope I am all wrong, and this puzzle piece does not fit. 

I am finding all kinds of parallels between Dos Passos/Hemingway and Mark.  I am more convinced then ever, Mary Ann fashioned her characters in this book from her favorite classical authors.  Imagine the fun she had in doing this.
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« Reply #209 on: February 12, 2009, 11:15:25 AM »
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By the way, what is Mark doing in London?  Is he an expatriot?  Is he just there for business?  Would he really want to take our Juliet to live in NY?
  from JoanP

Mark is a magazine publisher and is in London to open another office, and of course we know that Sidney is afraid he’ll dine, wine, and woo Juliet away from Stephens and Stark.

Oh my, we have been going hot and heavy here – are we taking sides here?  About Mark, good guy or bad guy,  Juliet – does she know what she wants?,  shelf space  -- organized OR not,  spices – oh my goodness, I’ve learned a lot these past few days.  Surely not everyone alphabetizes their spices. But I agree with PatH, that Penzey’s is a lovely place, just to go in and smell.  And I’ve sent their gifts from online.  My only regret is I came to learn about them so late in life, when I’m not doing as much cooking as before.  But I get their catalog and clip those recipes every month.

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we need to remember that Juliet lost her parents during early adolescence and had very little guidance or example when it came to relationships.
from JoanP and Jean

.   .  .  and also she doesn’t see her closest friend on a daily basis – whatever advice or comments come in letters from Sophie.  How she must have wanted to talk with Sophie RIGHT NOW after that dreadful scene with the yelling and crying.

Jean, that  Snoop sounds  like a fun book.  But what is the Myers/Briggs Personality Instrument?  Should we be worried?

Re: Catalyst, connector – Elizabeth was definitely the catalyst for the GLPPS.  It would not have existed without her.  But I hold that Charles Lamb is the catalyst for Juliet’s interest in this group and her possible trip to Guernsey.  If it had not been her name and address on Dawsey’s copy of Essays by Elia there woul.d be no story.

Janice, I  hope you're still with us.  What number are you now?

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« Reply #210 on: February 12, 2009, 01:14:02 PM »
 Bellamarie said Like I said before, if I would have picked this book up, and read it by myself, there is no way in the world I would have gone on this fantastic journey of knowledge, as I have with all of you.. That's the thing i like best about SN, SandL and SandF. Everyone brings their expertise and interests to the site. It's like being in a college classroom w/out having to take tests - just FUN!

Anna and Joan - good points about Elizabeth and Juliet.

Pedin - Myers/Briggs, and its many copy-cats, is an instrument that asks about 70 forced choice questions about what you prefer in your life. i.e. - while at a party do you talk to everybody and want to stay all night, or do you sit in the corner and observe.................that's not an exact question, but an ex. .......... also an ex. -  do you prefer to have exact directions of how to do a task, or only guidlines that allows you to decide how to proceed.............. or, is it better to be right, or compassionate............etc. Then when you put the answers on an answer sheet and add them up you get a profile - are you an extravert/introvert, a person who learns things thru you senses or thru your intuition, a person who brings mostly intellect or feelings to the situation, a person who likes to keep your options open, or one who likes rules, laws, and an empty in-box - or, alphabetizes your spices/have your Christmas presents bought in June/ LOVES lists that you can cross off w/ a sense of accomplishment.

Myers/Briggs - a mother/dgt team, put it together and talk of the "gifts" that we all bring, regardless of which preferences we have, because all of these preferences are important to workforces, families, relationships, etc. We should all appreciate each others gifts and not expect that everyone should be and behave like us......................another book that talks about these "types" is Please Understand Me, which makes the types easier to understand than some descriptions of Myers/Briggs do. You can find the instrument on the web and find out for yourself, what your preferences are...........................maybe Robby can provide a better description than i have.

I'll try to find a site...................it's fun stuff and can be helpful in working/living w/ others. It provides an understanding that other people are not doing things TO you, but are acting out of their own preferences - like somebody's spouse rearranging books/spices to make themselves  comfortable.  ;) ;) ;) .............jean

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« Reply #211 on: February 12, 2009, 01:52:51 PM »
http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

This is one site where you can take a Myers/Briggs type "test" The husband/wife team who wrote Please Understand Me is Keirsey, there books are still in the warehouses, if not in the bookstores...........jean

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« Reply #212 on: February 12, 2009, 03:10:46 PM »
Jean, that web site and its links are very interesting - and accurately analyzed me.  Amazing.

Has anyone mentioned that Juliette's residence - with all her books, etc. - was destroyed by a bomb?  She seems amazingly resilient after having that happen to her.
She seems to be the type of person who needs someone to talk to about emotional events in her life.  Female best friend is married and far away, male best friend is out of the country. Mark isn't interested in that type of conversation.  Her new friends on Guernsey are becoming her confidantes and she is becoming theirs.

I wonder if and how that will change when they actually meet.

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« Reply #213 on: February 12, 2009, 05:02:55 PM »
The third member of the GLPPPS I will try to analyse  according to Literary tastes and their letters is clovis.  He who loves WW1 poetry and William Wordsworth.
My first love of poetry arose out of the same sources.  I learned by heart so many of them. My all time favorite , over which I still tear up when I think of it, is "In Flanders Fields".  Here are the first two verses.

In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead.  Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

As we discuss the boook i feel that we get caught up in the relationships of the main characters. Clovis and his poetry are included to remind us of the horrors of TWO WARS England has passed through.

Lest we forget, lest we forget.

Jude



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« Reply #214 on: February 12, 2009, 05:03:00 PM »
Okay ladies, I am very excited.  I have just emailed Annie Barrows and invited her to drop in on our book club.  She has said that she answers "ALL" her emails, so I will patiently await for a response.  In the meantime, let's keep a close watch out to see if she would drop in.  I told her Juliet and her break up with Rob and Markham has spurred on some spirited conversations.  lolol  I will share any response I may receive.

Jean, Wow!,  you have me ready to visit that web site just to find out what it says about me.  lolol

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That's the thing i like best about SN, SandL and SandF. Everyone brings their expertise and interests to the site. It's like being in a college classroom w/out having to take tests - just FUN!


This is exactly how I describe it to my husband, and daughter in laws.  They keep asking me what is happening next.  lolol
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« Reply #215 on: February 12, 2009, 05:10:56 PM »
BELLAMARIE: I couldn't agree more that it's time to let go the question of what Mark is like --- we will probably find out more later.

I do, have to point out that my remarks about abusive men had nothing to do with my husband. We had 50 years of a wonderful marraige and I miss him every day.

But I did have a close friend whose daughter was in an abusive relationship for years, and shared with me her sorrow and frustration at watching this, and being unable to get her daughter to leave. The relationship didn't end until the man left. Because of this experience, I became more familiar with the cycles of such a relationship. That Mark might prove abusive was a fear, ratherr than a guess. In any case, we know enough to know that he is controlling and expects Juliet to do what HE wants.

I didn't mean these remarks to refer to the first boyfriend at all. We know his tastes are different from Juliet's, which is certainly not a crime (I like sports, too) although it bodes ill for the marraige, and was oblivious to Juliet's needs and feelings on this occasion. But that's all we know.

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« Reply #216 on: February 12, 2009, 05:44:12 PM »
I took the test and it was dead on!!!!   lolololol   Thank you, Jean
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« Reply #217 on: February 12, 2009, 05:55:56 PM »
Bellamarie, I've written to Annie too, inviting her into the discussion.  How can she resist? ;D  I suspect she may be overwhelmed with mail and interviews right now, though.

Jean, I know companies that require prospective employees take the Meyers Briggs test.  What do you think of that?  It's amazing that we are viewing Juliet as a living, breathing human being - do you wonder how she would do on the test?  I'm thinking more and more that Mary Ann Shaffer has portrayed herself in Juliet, which is why she knows her so well.
I haven't spent time yet, finding out if Shaffer visited Guernsey while writing this book.  I know she was there back in 1976, but the details, the descriptions tell me that she was there more recently than that...

Callie, that's an interesting question - will Juliet be able to communicate with the islanders in person as well as she does in her letters.  SHe does seem to have a problem face to face, doesn't she?

Jude, I remember memorizing Flander's Field!  Are you one of those people who remembers words to songs, or poetry without lots and lots of memorizing?  I am - but once I do, I never forget.  That's something anyway.

Am on the way out the door, husband looking at watch, impatiently.  Hates to be late.

 

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« Reply #218 on: February 12, 2009, 06:14:01 PM »
Joan,
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I've written to Annie too, inviting her into the discussion.  How can she resist?   I suspect she may be overwhelmed with mail and interviews right now.

Indeed, how can she resist?  JoanP, you may be Gemini, and I Leo, but I'm beginning to think you are my clone, or I yours.  lolol   :o  I have proposed a question to Annie, asking about the possibility of Mary Ann fashioning the characters after her classical authors.  I do hope I get an answer.  I read an interview Annie gave, and I am certain she mentioned her seeing her aunt in Juliet's character.  Oh dear....don't tell me I have to go search that out again.  After taking Jean's recommended humanmetrics test on line, this "Idealist teacher", won't be happy til I find it.  lolol
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« Reply #219 on: February 12, 2009, 06:33:16 PM »
Alas!  I found it...This is the interview I spoke of.
http://www.powells.com/authors/anniebarrows.html[/url

Danielle: "Did you hear Mary Ann's voice coming out through the characters' voices when you were doing your rewrites? "

Barrows: "Oh, yes. The closest to her in tone is Juliet. I can hear pieces of stories I know, pieces of events I know, throughout the book. When I was sitting down to begin my part in writing The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society, I had no idea how to collaborate. It was one of those great mysteries. How on earth do two people write one book? The situation was peculiar, because Mary Ann was very sick. "

Danielle: She entrusted her story to you at some point.

Barrows: "She said, "I can't do this anymore. You're the other writer in the family. Can you?" And I said, "Of course I can do this." But all the time I was thinking, "How can I do this?" As I actually began to write, it was so easy, because I had been hearing her stories all my life, and that voice was just right there."

Danielle: "I think it would have been a lot tougher were it not for the fact that she was your beloved and very close relative and you knew each other so well."

Barrows: "Yes. I still have no idea how anybody really collaborates, how you could possibly write with one voice unless that voice was so deeply ingrained inside you, as it was with me. Mary Ann taught me how to tell a story. I understand why the book is structured the way it is, because that's how I would do it, too. I was so lucky. "

Danielle: "I could hear the characters speaking in my mind. In fact, I came across a book video with actors reading the dialogue, and I had to turn it off. I couldn't stand to hear them read it because..."

Barrows: "It was not right."

Danielle: "Yes, and I'm sure that someone is going to sniff around and want to make a movie based on Guernsey, and how difficult that's going to be..."

Barrows: "God bless them if they do, but how do you get that element of voice that's such a part of the book? With all these characters and the ways that they talk, how do you turn that into a movie? I don't know. I'm sure there's a way, but the voices are such an elemental part of what I think of as the appeal of the book. Some of these characters I just adore."

Juliet is so Mary Ann, that sort of rueful voice, and yet, with a willingness to be delighted and to be fascinated by all of the people on Guernsey. That rueful tone is Mary Ann, and the engagement with books is Mary Ann. But there are other people I know in there, too. While I was writing Guernsey, I was noticing, "That's my daughter!" Some things about Kit come from my daughter. "
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #220 on: February 12, 2009, 11:13:56 PM »
It would be lovely if Annie Barrows would visit our discussion and answer the many questions that we would have for her.  I’d want to ask her about Mary Ann Shaffer’s research, the sources she used, etc.  One of the articles told how she visited Guernsey in 1976, got fogged in there, and read all the Guernsey books she could find in the airport gift shop.  I just finished watching part 5 (out of 6) of Island at War, also fiction, with a focus more on city or town life, zeroes in on three families, showing their conflicts in dealing with being occupied.  Two things tonight quickly caught my attention. 1) A Guernsey widowed shopkeeper is sharing black market delicacies with a German official and she remarks, “People are boiling potato peels while we’re eating truffles.”  2) An under-the-radar wheeler dealer brings a dead pig to his sister’s farm. “I just got this from so & so.  Call the authorities and tell them you have a dead pig.”  Then you see two German officers show up with their notebooks to register the dead animal, and in the next scene an extended family is enjoying a good meal of roast pork.

War stories

This is a link to some primary source material about Great Britain and WWII, including some about Guernsey.  One narrator tells how he complained to his mum, “boiled potatoes again?” until he saw two elderly pensioners eating their main meal of only boiled potato peel.  Another tells of being an eight-year-old on Liberation Day, and the children were given sweets and fruits.  He threw his orange ball to the ground and was surprised that it didn’t bounce back up  But his parents picked it up and told him to eat it.  Such bliss.

Jean, thanks for the info and link about Myers/Briggs.  I look forward to trying it out, so many here say it pegged them just right.  From what you say it sounds a lot like the Kudor Preference tests we took a million years ago.

JoanP, I may have a bone to pick with you about Juliet.  Do you really think she has face to face problems – other than Mark and that Gilly character?

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« Reply #221 on: February 12, 2009, 11:37:46 PM »
Oh my heavens I am about to burst!!!!

Annie Barrows, answered my email!!!!

Now, before I post her response, I would like to email her and ask her permission to post it in its entirety on our book club discussion.  I am certain it would be okay to share this much with all of you, since we have all been suspecting it to be so.

Annie Barrows,
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"And Juliet, dear Juliet, is the character who is closest to Mary Ann herself."


pedln,  I will be happy to ask her these questions in my response to her email.  I too, hope she will accept our invitation and come in and post.











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« Reply #222 on: February 13, 2009, 07:49:35 AM »
Hmm. rereading a lot of posts.. I dont alphabetize my spices, I group them by their affinities.. Hence.. Oregano, Tarragon,chives, together, etc.
Books by genres..then by author, since I only generally collect a few authors for forever.
Elizabeth is so interesting and like many of you, I suspect she is dead. I would like to know a good deal more about her. But not sure we will.
A lot of educated Germans in WWII spoke and/or read English.. I think it was popular in their schools.
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #223 on: February 13, 2009, 08:38:18 AM »
 This discussion is so popular, and has so many posts, that yesterday morning I couldn't finish reading them all in the time I had, much lest reply.  I came here first this morning, and hope I didn't overlook too many.

Mabel,  I find myself agreeing with you wholeheartedly concerning Juliet.  I am one of those who are critical of my own flaws, and tolerant of those in others. I understand how Juliet could be so ready to blame herself and excuse Mark. 
The quote Bellamarie gave us from Annie Barrows..."Juliet is so Mary Ann, that sort of rueful voice.." explains a lot about Juliet.
Having grown considerably older, and hopefully wiser, I am no longer so apt to allow that tolerance to drag me into a bad situation.

JUDE, "Flanders Field" was one of the poems I learned and memorized in my early school days, and still remember most of it.  Have you noticed that we can remember things we learned 50-60 years ago better than what we 'learned' last week?

4/12 Juliet to Sidney & Piers
    Some interesting background on Guernsey here.  Juliet quotes a history of the island, which were a possession of the Duke of Normandy, and became British lands when William the Conqueror took the English throne.  Guernsey, however, has special privileges. “The Channel Islands freely owe their allegiance and owe to the English Crown, but heed this, dear reader --The Crown cannot make them do anything they do not want to do!”    It seems the only Crown representative on the Island is an appointed Lt. Governor, who may attend the meetings of the ’States’, may speak and advise, but has no vote.
     Does any other English possession have this right, I wonder?  Probably not.
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #224 on: February 13, 2009, 09:50:47 AM »
Good morning!

You're so  right, Babi - there are many interesting entries here.  I just have to stop and thank all of you who are contributing so much to this discussion.  I can't think of any book club ANYWHERE on earth examining a book so closely, can you?  Thank you everyone for making this such a rewarding experience!
Babi, the Channel Islands are considered self-governing dependencies, as opposed to territories and possessions.  As far as I can tell, the Isle of Man, (where Islands at War was filmed) is the only other dependency that has this status.  self governing dependencies

Pedln, I'd better rephrase my comment about Juliet's difficulty communicating her feelings - face to face, as opposed to her ease expressing her feelings in her correspondence.  I was thinking of her response to Isola's question regarding her "beau"- and how honestly she expressed her feelings to Isola, while she was unable to answer her childhood friend who asked her much the same question.

Steph- do you see Elizabeth as the central character here - even though she is no longer on the island?   Or Juliet?  Somehow, I have begun to see Juliet and Elizabeth as the same character.
Are they both speaking for Mary Ann Shaffer?

Shall we get together a set of questions for Annie Barrows if she is free to come into this discussion for a short time?  It would be easier for her to respond to our questions if they are all in one place, rather than to expect her to spend the time reading through all of these posts. I look forward to her response to your email, Bellamarie!

Can we turn our attention to Adelaide Addison  today - her anger.   Why is she so intent on putting an end to Juliet's correspondance with the literary society especially now that Elizabeth McKenna is no longer on the island? 




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« Reply #225 on: February 13, 2009, 10:02:45 AM »

Ann, would you invite dear Gladys.  That would be wonderful.  I wonder if she's heard of this book?  Even without the book, she would certainly have much to add to our discussion.  She is a Brit, do I remember correctly?

Yes, Gladys is a Brit.   At this time, she has been placed in Hospice care and hasn't posted since Jan 24 but had been actively posting before that.   I will ask Patz if she knows anything more than that.  She would be quite a delightful poster.

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« Reply #226 on: February 13, 2009, 11:39:48 AM »
Okay, I have returned to earth and am ready to focus on Adelaide Addison today.

JoanP, Why is she so intent on putting an end to Juliet's correspondence with the literary society especially now that Elizabeth McKenna is no longer on the island?

It appears Adelaide is a Christian person, she makes that clear in her letters to Juliet.  Its obvious, Adelaide has passed judgement on the Society and says,

"Furthermore, the so_called Literary Society is a scandal.  There are those of true culture and breeding here in Guernsey, and they will take no part in this charade (even if invited).  There are only two respectable people in the Society__Eben Ramsey and Amelia Maugery.  The other member: a rag-and-bone man, a lapsed Alienist who drinks, a stuttering swine-herd, a footman posing as a Lord, and Isola Pribby, a practicing witch, who, by her own admission to me, distills and sells potions.  They collected a few others of their ilk along the way, and one can only imagine their "literary evenings."  You must not write about these people and their books-God knows what they saw fit to read!"
                          Yours in Christian Consternation and Concern
                          Adelaide Addison (Miss)"


She clearly in her own misguided way, feels she is protecting the "true culture and breeding here in Guernsey."  She has assigned herself the crusader of Guernsey.  In the beginning of her letter she states, "But a clear duty is imposed upon me."

Adelaide is your typical, busy body, self righteous, old bat.  lolol  In her attempt to thinking she is protecting some, she has no idea the harm she is doing to others.  She sees herself, as a better class of people.  She detests Elizabeth, because she sees her as the ring leader, and outsider, not born on Guernsey Island.  Elizabeth was not your normal prim and proper little girl.  She ran around with no supervision, not dressed properly, and was in the company of rude fishermen.  Imagine the thoughts Adelaide allowed to enter her head about this.

Adelaide has imagined all sorts of ill acts going on in the Society, from witch craft, to drinking, and possibly illicit conversations of sex.  Adelaide is a spinster.  I sense while she has passed judgement on these people for their lifestyles, she bares a bit of resentment, for the fact they took risks to live their lives as they have.  She is trapped in her own prison, of ideals, morals and standards.  Its like the famous quote, [i]"If you're not with me, you are against me." [/i]  She sees the Society against the Christian way of life. 

And one last observation, she found it necessary to include "(even if invited)."  She has made it her life mission to outcast people through her judgements, but now she feels she is being the outcast, by these immoral people.  No one likes to feel left out, or excluded, regardless if they would choose to be included.  It's about just being asked.  She would probably have loved the opportunity to tell them, NO!, in her self-indignant voice.

I suspect Adelaide is so hell bent on getting Juliet to turn attention away from the Society, so it does not encourage them to continue.  She could be thinking, now that Elizabeth is no longer here to lead them on, they will eventually disban.  Juliet is the Elizabeth, their leader, if she pursues giving them attention and making them public, then they will only grow and persist.  In defense of Adelaide, I do feel in her heart she thinks she is doing what is Christian and her moral responsibility.  I would cheer on someone like Adelaide in the Christian faith, (if in fact these were true sinners), although the way she is going about it, is not Christian.  Many a ruler or crusader in Biblical times, attempted to use Adelaide's means, to stop immoral acts, only to find themselves the sinner.

Judge Not, Least Ye Be Judged Yourself
 
One of the best known and most misunderstood Scriptures is from Matthew.

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5).

By the way.....calling Adelaide an old bat, (that was the devil sitting on my shoulder, just itching to have his say in the matter.)  He wins out every now and then.  lol

Sorry for the lengthy post, I just can't stop myself at times, its the writer in me.



 
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« Reply #227 on: February 13, 2009, 12:12:39 PM »
I couldn't renew my book at the library, there is a hold on it for someone else - i should not be surprised, it is so popoular, as you've all reported. ................. my problem is that i stayed up late into the night finishing it so i can return it, and now i have to be careful that i don't speak to something that's ahead of your reading.......................so, i'll probably be quiet for a while.

Bellamarie - great coup on getting Annie Barrows attention. It would be wonderful if she could join us one day for a short time. She'd never get a better example of what people are thinking as they read her book............

Joan - there are a couple of cases in the courts about companies using a M/B type instrument BEFORE they have hired an employee.............the question: can it be discriminatory? Altho, it is perfectly acceptable  for companies to use them with employees to build teams or to understand themselves and their co-workers. I used it often in management and employee training to alert people to the idea that other people may be just working in a different (not WRONG) way than what you would prefer to work and to not take it personally, and for managers to have more info about how to work w/ each particular employee. .....................everyone tho't it was very helpful. The reason you think it is "right on" is because you gave the answers and the analysis is just verifying what you have answered. Then the psychologists expand that to your other behaviors.....................jean

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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #228 on: February 13, 2009, 12:36:58 PM »
Well, I'd like someone to administer the Myers-Briggs to Adelaide Addison, Jean!  I suspect we would learn a lot more about her motivation. Bellamarie describes her as "trapped in her own prison, of ideals, morals and standards."   I have felt sorry for her from the git-go.  I know Elizabeth didn't - she slapped her in front of a crowd of people!

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« Reply #229 on: February 13, 2009, 12:41:01 PM »
JoanP,  point understood about Juliet and expressing feelings face to face.  I was indeed on a different track,  thinking how well she got on with Susan Scott (from Stephens and Stark), how everyone loved her on the book tours.

Speaking of Susan Scott, and admittedly she is not a major player here, but she doesn’t like Mark very much either, as she tells of seeing them together in a restaurant.  Juliet invited her to join them, but “it was apparent from Mark’s smile that he didn’t want company.     .   .   .   .he’s not a man to cross, with his thin smile.   .   .  . it would break my mum’s heart to find me bobbing in the Thames.”

Babi, thanks for pointing out some of the governing facts about the Channel Islands.  And somewhere did it say they don’t pay taxes to Britain?

Bellamarie, somehow I find it hard to believe Adelaide is a true Christian or a follower of any faith that believes in man’s humanity to man.

We’ve been talking about the many parallels found in this book – between Shaffer/Barrows – Juliet – Elizabeth.  Can we go down one level further and include Kit?  I know there have only been snippets about her, but we are learning a lot.  She’ll try anything once (touching Eli’s knife), she has a creative imagination like her mother (finding a boa under a rock).  I wonder why she’s not sure if she wants Juliet to come.

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« Reply #230 on: February 13, 2009, 01:04:09 PM »
Pedln, maybe Kit was hoping that her mother would come, instead everyone is getting ready for Juliet - even moving her into Elizabeth's - and Kit's cottage!

Listen, I heard from Annie Barrows this morning.  I'm afraid she will have the time to visit the discussion, but she is quite willing to answer our questions.  How about we submit questions, either here, or individually to her - and then collect them all on one page so we will have our own "interview" with the author?  You can reach her at - annie@anniebarrows.com  I recommend you let us know here what you are asking if you decide you want to write directly to her - just so we aren't sending duplicate questions and she tires of us. ;)

One thing that really got my attention, Bellamarie -
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There are only two respectable people in the Society__Eben Ramsey and Amelia Maugery.
   Why Eben Ramsey?  And if these two are respectable, how can she possibly be condemning the whole group?

Eben Ramsey is another name that I found intriguing, ever since learning that Charles Lamb adopted a little girl named Emma Isola.   Where does  the unusual name "Eben" come from?  I'dsearched everywhere - could only find this -
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Hebrew Male Rock or stone of help. Famous bearer: the Old Testament Samuel gave the name Ebenezer to a stone set up in recognition of God's assistance in defeating the Philistines; miserly Ebenezer Scrooge in Charles Dickens' novel 'A Chnsitmas Carol'.


I didn't see a connection here - but this morning, Annie Barrows wrote this...
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Eben was
named after the hero of a wonderful book about Guernsey called The Book of
Ebenezer Le Page, though the two men have very different characters

I was wrong apparently thinking that  Juliet and Elizabeth were both  Mary Ann Shaffer, but rather  it turns out Elizabeth was someone that the author admired.   - Annie Barrows wrote
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Resistance fighter  whom Mary Ann admired deeply, Kim Malthe-Bruun.
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« Reply #231 on: February 13, 2009, 01:13:24 PM »
I think it would be a good idea to collect the questions here and then send them off in a bunch.  It will be less work for Annie Barrows, and we can arrange them logically and smooth out any overlaps.  Thanks for doing that, Bellamarie, I would never have had the courage.

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« Reply #232 on: February 13, 2009, 01:33:16 PM »
I have just received my response from Annie.  JoanP, I am so excited to see she resonded to you as well.  She has asked I share this with the club.  Forgive me that it is lengthy.

Dear Marie--
 It's so funny--I just got a letter from Joan Pearson, the moderator of your group. You all are certainly full of enthusiasm, and I appreciate it. You are welcome to post my email to you. I think, however, that if I started posting with all the book groups that were interested, I would never write another book, which is what I really should be doing. As a sort of consolation prize (maybe), I'm attaching an essay I wrote that will appear as the Afterword in the paperback edition. I think it will answer some questions. I sent a copy to Joan Pearson as well, with permission for her to post at will.
 
Best,
Annie

  Now here is what she wanted to share with us:
Annie Barrows
November 4, 2008


I grew up in a family of story-tellers. In my family, there is no such thing as a yes-or-no question, a simple answer, or a bald fact. You can’t even ask someone to pass the butter without incurring a story, and major holidays always end with the women gathered around the table, weeping with laughter, while our husbands sit in the next room, holding their heads.
   Obviously, with so much practice, my family is rich in fine story-tellers, but my aunt Mary Ann Shaffer was the jewel in our crown. What was it about Mary Ann turning a tale? She was one of the wittiest people I ever met, but wit wasn’t the essence of her gift. Her language was lustrous, her timing was exquisite, her delivery was a thing of beauty and a joy forever, but none of these reaches to the center of her charm. That, it seems to me, was her willingness to be delighted—by people, their phrases, their frailties and their fleeting moments of grandeur. Together with her delight was the impulse to share it; she told stories so that we, listening, could be delighted with her, and, time and again, she succeeded.
   To tell is one thing, to commit to paper is another. For as long as I can remember, Mary Ann was always working on something, but she never completed a book to her own satisfaction, at least not until she embarked upon The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society.    
   The story of that embarkation began in 1980, when Mary Ann was in the throes of a fascination with Kathleen Scott, wife of the polar explorer Robert Falcon Scott. In order to write her biography, Mary Ann traveled to Cambridge, England, where her subject’s papers were archived. But when she reached her destination, Mary Ann discovered that the archive consisted primarily of aged bits and notes, scrawled in illegible pencil. Thoroughly disgusted, Mary Ann threw the project over, but she was not yet ready to return home. Instead, for reasons that will always be obscure, she decided to visit to the island of Guernsey, far in the nethermost reaches of the English Channel.
   Mary Ann flew there, and of course, drama followed. As her plane landed, what she described as “a terrible fog” arose from the sea and enshrouded the island in gloom. The ferry service came to a halt; the airplanes were grounded. With the dismal clank of a drawbridge pulling to, the last taxi rattled off, leaving her in the Guernsey airport, immured, isolated, and chilled to the bone. (Are you getting the sense of how Mary Ann told a story?). There, as the hours ticked by, she hunkered in the feeble heat of the hand-drier in the men’s restroom (the hand-drier in the women’s restroom was broken), struggling to sustain the flickering flame of life. The flickering flame of life required not only bodily nourishment (candy from vending machines), but spiritual aliment, that is, books. Mary Ann could no more endure a day without reading than she could grow feathers, so she helped herself to the offerings at the Guernsey airport bookstore. In 1980, this bookstore was evidently a major outlet for publishing on the Occupation of the island by the Germans during World War II. Thus, when the fog lifted, Mary Ann left the island, having seen nothing that could be considered a sight, with an armload of books and an abiding interest in Guernsey’s wartime experiences.
   Some twenty years passed before Mary Ann, goaded by her writing group, began The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society. As the members of the Literary Society found during their ordeal, companionship can help us surmount nearly any barrier, imposed, self-imposed, or imagined.  Likewise, Mary Ann’s writing group, by cajoling, critiquing, admiring, and demanding, sustained her through the obstacle course of creation and across the finish line to her first completed manuscript.
   “All I wanted,” Mary Ann once said, “was to write a book that someone would like enough to publish.”  She got what she wanted—and more—for publishers from around the world flocked to buy her book. It was a triumph, of course for her, but for the rest of us long-time Mary Ann-listeners as well. Finally we had proof of what we had known all along—our own personal Scheherazade could beguile the world. We swelled with pride.
   But then, just as if we were in some horrible retributive folk tale, the triumph turned, because Mary Ann’s health began to fail. When, shortly thereafter, the book’s editor requested some changes that required substantial rewriting, Mary Ann knew that she did not have the stamina to undertake the work, and she asked me if I would do it, on the grounds that I was the other writer in the family.
   Of course I said yes. Writers are rarely the solution to anyone’s problems, and this was a unique occasion to help someone I loved. But to myself I whispered that it was impossible—impossible for me to take on my aunt’s voice, her characters, the rhythm of her plot.
   However, there was no help for it; I had to begin. And once I began, I discovered something: it was easy. It was easy because I had grown up on Mary Ann’s tales—they didn’t just come with the butter, they were the butter. They were nourishment. All those years and years when her stories were the wallpaper of my life, when just passing through the dining room would garner me an odd expression or an obscure fact, Mary Ann’s idea of narrative was becoming mine. In the same way that people acquire accents and politics from their surroundings, I acquired stories.
   Working on the book, then, was like sitting down with Mary Ann—her characters were people I knew (sometimes literally) and their most irrational actions had a certain familiar logic to me. When Mary Ann passed away, in early 2008, the book was a comfort, because it held her within it. The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society is a testament to Mary Ann’s talent, to be sure, but in the truest way it’s also the embodiment of her generosity.  In it she offers, for our enjoyment, a catalogue of her delights—the oddities that enchanted her, the expressions that entertained her, and above all, the books that she adored.
   I think that Mary Ann knew, before she died, that her book was going to be well-received, but no one could ever be entirely prepared for the avalanche of acclaim that greeted its publication. As first the booksellers, then the reviewers, and finally actual readers got their hands on the book, we noticed that their praise often took the same form—the book was quirky, unlike anything else, charming, vivid, witty . . .  In other words, it was like Mary Ann herself.  Suddenly, the rest of the world had a seat at the table where I had been feasting my whole life, and, as with any family party, they clustered around Mary Ann, weeping with laughter—or sorrow—as her stories billowed forth.
   The only flaw in the feast is that it ends. If I could have anything I wanted, I would choose story without end, and it seems that I have lots of company in that. I have received many, many letters from readers all over the world bemoaning the fact that the book comes to an end. “I wanted it to go on forever,” they say. “I want to go to Guernsey and join a book club.” “I want to be a member of the Society.” The good news is that as long as we don’t get too caught up in the space-time continuum, the book does still go on, every time a reader talks about it with another reader. The membership of the Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society increases each time the book is read and enjoyed. The wonderful thing about books—and the thing that made them such a refuge for the islanders during the Occupation—is that they take us out of our time and place and understanding and transport us, not just into the world of the story, but into the world of our fellow-readers, who have stories of their own.
   In the months since the book was published, I have heard from readers who were reminded of their own wartime experiences. One Guernsey native told me of his evacuation to England, along with hundreds of other children, the week before the Germans invaded. The most thrilling moment, he said, was his first glimpse of a black cow. He hadn’t known that cows came in black. Another woman, a child in Germany during the war, told of bringing food to the French soldier hiding in her attic—she was the only member of the family small enough to squeeze through the trapdoor. It’s not all war-stories, either. I’ve heard from people who want to know if Mary Lamb really stabbed her mother with a carving knife (yes!) and people who want to make potato peel pie (don’t do it!) and people who want to read another book written in letters (Daddy Long Legs).
   This profusion of questions, exclamations, and tales is the new version of the society. Its members are spread all over the world, but they are joined by their love of books, of talking about books, and of their fellow readers. We are transformed—magically—into the literary society each time we pass a book along, each time we ask a question about it, each time we say, “If you liked that, I bet you’d like this.” Whenever we are willing to be delighted and share our delight, as Mary Ann did, we are part of the on-going story of The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society. 










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« Reply #233 on: February 13, 2009, 01:44:39 PM »
Also now that she has given her permission I would like to post part of my first email to her and her response.

                            From Marie Reinhart, Toledo, Ohio, to Annie
 
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                12th February, 2009
 
Mrs. A. Marie Reinhart
Toledo, Ohio
 
Dear Ms. Barrows,
 
My name is Marie Reinhart, and I live in Toledo Ohio.  I have been discussing The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society with my online book club, Senior Learn, http://www.seniorlearn.org/.  We began the book on February 1st and have gotten through the letters up to 13th May, 1946.  I must say you and your aunt Mary Ann, have created a masterpiece of a book.  While we are not suppose to read ahead of our weekly assignment, some have had to read the entire book due to the demand for the book at their local libraries.  Mind you some of our club readers are on fixed incomes, and are not able to purchase the book.  I purchased mine at Borders in our local mall, and it was the last copy they had.  I was thrilled to find it before the discussion began, since there was no hope of getting it from my library.
 
Now, I must tell you, this book has truly spurred on quite the conversations and some a bit spirited, with our strong opinions of Juliet and her break up with Rob and Markham.  Some of the ladies have seen them as ill suited, abusive, controlling and insensitive.  I have played the devil's advocate and pointed out how I see Juliet as someone who may not be ready or able to love and commit to marriage.  I have used the term, "unattainable love", is what Juliet seems to be searching for.  Anyway, I don't want to bore you too much with our ideas, but I do have a very important question to ask you, and I hope you are able to answer it for me.  With having the knowledge Mary Ann and yourself worked in a book store, and she was familiar with classic authors of poems, essays and novels, along with the fact she has used many quotes from such writings throughout this book, my question is this;  is it possible Mary Ann fashioned many of the characters after some of her favorite or not necessary favorite classical authors?
 
I have researched each book, name and hint she has mentioned in the book, and it seems to me I am seeing many parallels.  It can not be by chance that Elizabeth the character is so like Elizabeth von Arnim and her wonderful book Elizabeth and her German Garden, or that Juliet mentions Markham's two favorite authors are Dos Passos and Hemingway and their writings would coincide with the type of career Markham is in.  I have other comparisons, but I am sure you are seeing why I am thinking Mary Ann fashioned the characters after certain authors.  I did read many of your interviews, and listened to your audio interview. What a delight to put a voice to a name, I thought it endearing, when you mentioned you saw some of your daughter in the character Kit.  How exciting it must be for you to have this book as a memento from your precious aunt.  The two of you have given me more joy in reading then I could have ever expected.  I too have been writing children's books, and family and friends have encouraged me for years to do a novel.  Mary Ann may well be my inspiration to one day write that novel.  I have never paid much notice to the classical authors up to now, and I must say I have quotes, essays and novels downloaded on my computer.  So I would like to thank you and especially your dear aunt for giving me the desire and get acquainted with such wonderful authors and writings.  My literary world has opened up to a whole new dimension.  Imagine me, quoting Charles Morley, Charles Lamb, the Bronte' sisters and even Elizabeth von Arnim.
 
Annie, I hope its okay to use your first name, I would love to invite you to drop in on our online book club and write a few posts.  The ladies would be forever grateful and honored to have your presence in our book club. I saw where you said you answer every email, so I will wait anxiously, but patiently for a response.

Here is her answer:

Dear Marie--
Thank you for writing me such a nice juicy letter. I am glad to hear about your book club's discussions about Guernsey, and I applaud you for being the devil's advocate. I think Mary Ann would be delighted--as I am--to hear that her book had inspired you to investigate the works of Lamb and the others. Just like the Guernsey Literary Society itself, part of our purpose was to goad people into reading the books we love. But I  must tell you, in answer to your question, that the characters came from many sources, and since all three of the authors you mentioned--Elizabeth von Arnim, Dos Passos, and Hemingway--were supplied by me, I can tell you why they were chosen. Elizabeth von Arnim, I'm ashamed to say, was selected for no other reason than that hers was the only book I thought would be likely to pop into a British mind that a German officer would also know. Hemingway and Dos Passos I chose because they reveal Markham's tastes and character. I also got a kick out of making him a Wilkie Collins scholar--Collins was such a smoke and mirror type of writer and personally so disreputable that I thought he reflected Mark's true self.
 
I believe that the character of Elizabeth was in some ways an homage to a Resistance fighter  whom Mary Ann admired deeply, Kim Malthe-Bruun. Eben was named after the hero of a wonderful book about Guernsey called The Book of Ebenezer Le Page, though the two men have very different characters.I am not aware that Amelia is named after anyone in particular, but she looks just like my great-grandmother. And Juliet, dear Juliet, is the character who is closest to Mary Ann herself.
 
I hope that you'll pursue your writing. I can tell you've got the knack for it.
 
Best,
Annie





 
                                                                                                           
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #234 on: February 13, 2009, 01:50:11 PM »
PatH,
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I think it would be a good idea to collect the questions here and then send them off in a bunch.  It will be less work for Annie Barrows, and we can arrange them logically and smooth out any overlaps.  Thanks for doing that, Bellamarie, I would never have had the courage.

Yes, please look at the emails and questions I included, then read her responses and then you can eliminate them from a list you would like to pose to her.  I was thrilled to do it, and overjoyed she has responded not once but twice, immediately.  But, as she has stated, she does need to "write", so we musn't take up too much of her time, although, I read she goes into her room every morning, answers her emails, and then proceeds to write.  So, I think from her responses, she enjoys getting the emails.
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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #235 on: February 13, 2009, 02:02:40 PM »
OOPs sorry...forgot to post my second email and her response.


Oh dear please forgive me, I accidentally sent you my first draft.  Where is my brain, or is it I am just a bit over excited?  Any way, here was the final draft.  I felt it important to include my thoughts of Markham.                                                           
 
                           From Marie to Annie
                                                                                         13th February, 2009
 
Dear Annie,
 
Oh dear, I hope you don't mind, I am assuming to write to you on a first name basis. I was overjoyed to see your response so quickly.  I must tell you, I am thrilled to have the answer to my question, about the characters, even if as you said about Markham, "I also got a kick out of making him a Wilkie Collins scholar--Collins was such a smoke and mirror type of writer and personally so disreputable that I thought he reflected Mark's true self. "  I fear I may have defended him much more than he deserved.  The romantic in me, saw his anger expressed from hurt and rejection, and when he put Juliet in the cab, leaned in to kiss her and said, "You're an idiot, Juliet."  I was imagining him in love with her, whispering this, wounded with regret their relationship has ended. 
 
I have shared with the book club you have responded to my email, although before sharing your email, I felt I needed to ask your permission to post it in our book club on line.  I am sure they are waiting with baited breath, to hear any words, that are from one of the authors, of this great book. I hope to see it as a movie one day, although as you said in an interview, "God bless them if they do, but how do you get that element of voice that's such a part of the book? With all these characters and the ways that they talk, how do you turn that into a movie? I don't know. I'm sure there's a way, but the voices are such an elemental part of what I think of as the appeal of the book. Some of these characters I just adore.
 
I share your adoration for some of these characters, and Clovis just stole my heart, God bless his soul.  Isola seems to be a favorite with many of our book club members.
 
I must tell you again, we would all be honored, if you were to stop in and post something on our book club site.  Just to give you an idea of the many questions the members have been asking and contemplating, I will copy these particular posts from our club leaders.
 
pedln, "It would be lovely if Annie Barrows would visit our discussion and answer the many questions that we would have for her.  I'd want to ask her about Mary Ann Shaffer’s research, the sources she used, etc.  One of the articles told how she visited Guernsey in 1976, got fogged in there, and read all the Guernsey books she could find in the airport gift shop.
 
Is this the one and only time Mary Ann visited Guernsey?
 
JoanP, "One more bit of information that illustrates Shaffer's attention to detail.  Do you wonder at some to the names in the book - unlike names we are used to reading - Dawsey - Isola Pribby...etc.  I have been thinking about the names since the beginning and look here, just look here!
"In 1823 Charles and Mary met and eventually adopted an orphan girl, Emma Isola.  Now, let's try to figure out how Dawsey Adams was matched with Charles Lamb!
 
Do you know, does anyone know at what point Annie Barrows took up the task of finishing Mary Ann Shaffer's book?  Was she more than an editor?  I know that she is a writer herself - she could have added more to the story than MA Shaffer had planned.
 
So, as you can see we have tons of questions and believe me, we are going in all different directions. That must amuse you to know.  As Jean posted, "It's like being in a college classroom w/out having to take tests - just FUN!"  Fun indeed, I dare say.
 
In closing, I must thank you from the bottom of my heart for responding, and for the kind words of encouragement for me to write.
 
                                                                                        Fondly,
                                                                                        Marie
 
P. S.
Should you decide to drop in to our SeniorLearn book club, keep in mind I am, "bellamarie."  
 
http://www.seniorlearn.org/ 


Her response was as I posted earlier, except she also wrote in another response about my feelings on Markham.....

"Yes, yes, he does love her, in his way. But his way is ownership.  He's definitely wounded by her, but he's not changed by her.
 
A"


Now, I have to tell you this gave me much relief, to know Markham did love for Juliet, even if it was "in his own way", and that he was wounded by her. 

How very exciting to have the author's own words, in our book club.  I will cherish this more than you could know.





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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #236 on: February 13, 2009, 02:19:28 PM »
When Annie Barrows participated in the Barnes and Noble on-line book club in the fall, I asked her about the research that was done for the book.  Here is my question and her reply:

Annie, could you tell me what kind of research went into the Holocaust details put into the book?  I found the details startling and horrifying!  Just when I think I could not imagine any more horrid things that occurred, I am introduced to a few more, as I was in this book. 
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Both Mary Ann and I read a fair amount about the Holocaust. I think Mary Ann was particularly affected by the story of a Danish resistance fighter named Kim Malthe-Brunn, who was one of the inspirations for Elizabeth. Of course, the details of what Elizabeth, Remy, and Booker experienced were invented, but the scenario at the Women's Block in Ravensbruck is historically accurate, as is the description of the treatment of the prisoners. Likewise, Booker's experiences at Neuengamme, including that bit about clearing unexploded bombs during air-raids and his transfer to Belsen, are based on memoirs of people who were there. What occured during the last days at Belsen seems impossible, but every bit of that is documented (on film, even). If you're interested in further research, I'd recommend beginning at the website of the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC.
 

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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #237 on: February 13, 2009, 02:50:21 PM »
Laura, we've been looking for you!  So happy you came to us now, with so much book left to discuss.  I would like to include your question in our page of participants questions and Annie Barrow's answers.  Do you think that would be okay?  I intend to get that page up this afternoon so we don't dupliclate the questions to the author. 
I am struck by the lightness, sometimes the humor in the stories, contrasted with the horror and gruesome details of the camps.  It's much like the film - "Life is Beautiful", don't you think?  We will read more about them in the coming week.

Bellamarie, I see that you asked some  of the same questions we had posed in the discussion which I had also asked in my own letter to Annie Barrows.  Let's try to eliminate the duplication so that she answers each question.  I think it's better to send our questions one at a time, rather than in one huge email.  She seems to have overlooked some of them when sent in "bulk".

Laura, please stick around for the rest of the discussion - you have been missed.  Right now we are focusing  on Adelaide Addison, trying to figure out what is her problem.  She writes to Juliet that the only honorable members of the society are Amelia and Eben.  Why are these two exempt from her contempt, do you suppose?

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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #238 on: February 13, 2009, 03:11:35 PM »
BELLAMARIE: what good letters you wrote: no wonder she answered them. And what good answers! I liked the article she included: marked the following:

"her [Mary Ann's] willingness to be delighted—by people, their phrases, their frailties and their fleeting moments of grandeur. Together with her delight was the impulse to share it; she told stories so that we, listening, could be delighted with her, and, time and again, she succeeded".

I think that this is what we all feel reading the book.

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Re: Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society - by Shaffer & Barrows
« Reply #239 on: February 13, 2009, 03:39:17 PM »
I was thrown off the site and so I don't know what went though and what did not. 
But I will continue as if nothing happened.
The author very cleverly builds on Charles Lamb's essay on how to roast a pig, for that little creature is an important character.  He gives rise to a book club, the corpse of a dead pig allows the characters to enjoy meat until the German officer in charge of inspecting livestock realizes that the islanders keep showing the same dead pig therefore enabling them to eat a live one.  It was a clever idea until the German caught on.  Hurrah for the pig, for it enabled the islanders to make "pigs" of themselves   and enabled them not only to answer their bodily hunger but a hunger for books as well.