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« Reply #1040 on: November 27, 2013, 06:19:42 AM »
Last night I read the December 2013 issue of National Geographic and was beset with nightmares afterwards due to an article on page 62 titled CHILD SAVER.  Story says that tribes and towns in Ethiopia kill babies born out of wedlock, born without the elders permission for the couple to have a child, or whose upper teeth come in before the lower, etc., etc., etc.  These babies are considered cursed and must be done away with.
The mothers cry.
And I am filled with anguish.
Also anguished that the Supreme Court is to decide whether my employer, your employer, ANY woman's employer can refuse to allow her health coverage for contraception!
It is a push-pull situation all over this planet where we women are concerned!
I am distraught!

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« Reply #1041 on: November 30, 2013, 08:16:05 AM »
The court worries me. Too much to do with social issues.
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« Reply #1042 on: November 30, 2013, 10:39:24 AM »
And social issues usually translates into suppression of women's rights.
And suppression of women's rights means the nutcase males
can go right on screwing up the world for our grandchildren.

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« Reply #1043 on: December 03, 2013, 12:59:32 PM »
There are so many sins committed by "Elders", always male that involve the killing of women and infants.. If I could be allowed one wish, it would be that all women learn to fight back and enforce it
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« Reply #1044 on: December 04, 2013, 03:29:55 PM »
One thing that aggravates me is the total talking above people's heads of the liberals, and they don't even realize it!
Case in point:
Son Chip and I were listening to the Diane Rehm Show on NPR (National Public Radio, for anyone who is not familiar with this radio programming) as he was driving me home from the Eastern Shore this morning.  The subject was a suit one Michigan woman's family has against the Roman Catholic Bishop Conference (or Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops, or something close to).  Seems her water broke at 4 months and she was rushed off to the nearest hospital, the only one in her county, which happened not to be her own and is a Catholic hospital bound by the rules set down by these old men in skirts.  She was cramping badly.  They could see she was miscarrying, but were not allowed to abort her or advise her to go elsewhere and get aborted.  They sent her home without advice.  She became desperately ill (infection setting in) and went back.  Twice more she was sent home, and then she finally aborted and died of the infection.  Any doctor knows this will happen, unless they are lucky and can save the woman AFTER she miscarries.  And any doctor knows the only outcome of no fluid for the fetus means the fetus WILL spontaneously abort and will die.  But in Catholic hospitals, they cannot do anything except wait and see what God does!
It reminds me of nothing so much as the old time dunking women to see if they were witches.  If she drowned, she was innocent of being a witch.  If she floated, she was obviously a witch and should be burned at the stake!
So the doctors and lawyers on NPR this morning were using all kinds of fancy language.  I knew what they meant.  My son did, as well.  But my argument is that they need to SPELL THIS OUT for the ignorant men (especially men) and women of this nation.  They needed to say that in this instance, and many other situations of pregnancy, the fetus is definitely going to die, but so is the woman if the fetus does not leave her body before severe infection sets in!  They flat out do not spell this out to the public and let them know it is INEVITABLE.
Nope!  They cannot abort to save the life of the woman!  That is killing a baby, who cannot possibly live ANYWAY!

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« Reply #1045 on: December 04, 2013, 06:40:35 PM »
MaryPage, the story is horrible.

And I agree, simplicity and plain facts are needed when things are discussed.

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« Reply #1046 on: December 04, 2013, 08:03:37 PM »
Maybe if we explain that all dying and/or dead things decay, and that decay and/or putrefication is rife with gross infection.  I mean, ANYbody can figure that about a corpse.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  We mostly see lovely embalmed and made up corpses at "viewings" in funeral homes.  Maybe people do not know how corpses and dying bodies are full of rot and infection.  Anyway, maybe if more people were told these things in plain, blunt English, they would stop and realize they never even Thought of that!  Probably doctors would deplore our unmedical language and lawyers would have fits over our being so inelegantly basic, but people need to Stop and Think!  Sick and/or dead fetuses that their bodies do not expel KILL WOMEN.  Have done so for millions of years, but in this day and age there is No Excuse For These Deaths!!!
Pro Life???
Give me a break!

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« Reply #1047 on: December 05, 2013, 08:27:31 AM »
I remember when I was young and pregnant that a woman in our church had a baby who seemingly died in her 7th month.They waited a whole 10 days to be sure before starting her labor. Horrible..
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« Reply #1048 on: December 05, 2013, 11:20:01 AM »
I went to see my gastroenterologist this a.m., and she is expecting a baby girl in March.  She totally agrees with me that the folks in her profession need to start using plain talk to put out the information about women dying IF THEY DO NOT GET ABORTIONS!  There are pulmonary hypertension, ectopic pregnancy, preeclampsia and many other situations that can lead to the death of the mother.  Instead of using these fancy names, they need to bluntly and brutally describe what happens in these instances.  All these folks who think it is all black and white:  you get pregnant and you have a baby, need to learn the TRUTH.  I, personally, have known more than one woman with each of these problems, and more.  Myself, my very first pregnancy ended at 7½ months when the cord wrapped around the baby's neck in the womb and killed my little boy.  By the time my body went into labor and delivered the tiny corpse, I had an infection in me.  It hit all at once, while I was lying in bed, in my kidneys.  My body went into such a shock of pain that it arced on the bed.  My heels were touching the sheet, and the back of my head, and that is all!  They had to give me antibiotics heavily to clear it up.  I was one of the lucky ones:  it did clear up, I did not die, and I was actually able to have more children.  But I do not believe any woman must die rather than have a fetus removed so she may continue to live.  No way, Jose!

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« Reply #1049 on: December 05, 2013, 09:54:31 PM »
Have you ever wondered why the church has so much difficulty with the growth of a Human cell but not, with the growth of the Bacteria cell - why don't we allow Bacteria to ride its course without interference? After all these cells are on our skin and in our nasal passages with no harm until they go deep into our bodies - we could say that about sperm except it has to enter a female body - why are we allowed to stop the course of the Bacteria cell?  

This prompted me to look up what the difference is between a human cell and the bacteria cell - this is what I found...

"Human cells are eukaryotic and bacteria cells are prokaryotic. Humans have their DNA inside the nucleus, whereas bacteria have it contained within a plasmid. Human cells have larger ribosomes than bacterial cells, also human cells are a lot bigger than bacterial cells. Human cells have mitochondria while bacterial cells do not. I'm unsure about this one but I think human cells have membrane bound organelles whereas bacterial cells do not. Also human cells do not have a capsule or a flagella (apart from sperm, which do have a flagella), bacterial cells can have these two things but not all of them do."

The more I read the more I am convinced that this attitude about woman's reproduction, that has now been ingrained in so many followers of the church including, some from the Christian Right is nothing more than setting women as tools for men - I have read several books that include the Muslim and Arab culture that only tolerates women to produce their babies however, for sexual enjoyment there are virgins and young boys. Women, to those who follow the old traditions are considered unclean and regularly referred to as dirty.

Still fresh in my memory - only 2 or maybe it is 3 years ago now one of the more liberal priests from St. Eds visited our local Mary house to say Mass - my friend and I along with about 20 others attended each month and there was a communal supper after Mass. During Mass there was an open dialogue related to the Gospel. I no longer remember the gospel story for that evening but there were several side discussions going on about various issues related to the gospel. The main jest was about women priests and I turned and asked Father Rick what the church's problem was with ordaining women.

I remember being so shocked I could not respond and sat the rest of the evening literally in a state of shock. He leaned in as if a clandestine conversation was taking place between us and in a low, almost whisper he says, it is "because of a women's monthly - how could that be on the alter".  
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« Reply #1050 on: December 06, 2013, 07:37:55 AM »
Barbara, you have it just exactly right.

And get this:  it is not just a joke to billions, BILLIONS, of people in this world about martyrs for a cause going directly to Heaven.

Those 19 young men who quietly and with firm dedication sacrificed their lives to bring down the World Trade Towers in New York on September 11, 2001 and the Pentagon and the White House (field in Pennsylvania, due to OUR OWN young sacrificial lambs) believed totally and with every cell of their bodies that they would instantly find themselves in a beautiful garden with THEIR VERY OWN 72 VIRGINS, theirs to use as they wished.

So you see, it is ingrained.  Women are to be used for sexual pleasure and to prepare and offer men food and drink and all comforts.  Period.

That is what we women are up against.

And if I make those young men sound like heroes rather than horrors, it is for the purpose of describing their point of view.  It is what it is.  Our dismissing it as nonsense neither addresses the real problem nor finds a solution.

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« Reply #1051 on: December 06, 2013, 03:06:13 PM »
Elizabeth Warren is interesting me more and more.. Hilary will always have Bill as a millstone around her neck.. and there are people who will look at him and say,, he will run the country again, so Elizabeth is really getting a favorite.
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« Reply #1052 on: December 06, 2013, 03:41:06 PM »
Yes I agree with you Steph on both women.
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« Reply #1053 on: December 07, 2013, 08:48:38 AM »
I find more and more facebook posts of speeches she has made.. Interesting woman.
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« Reply #1054 on: December 07, 2013, 09:00:42 AM »
Way back before Obama, back in the dark ages as it were, Elizabeth Warren used to be a guest with Bill Moyers on PBS.  I fell in love with her back then.  She has always been able to sit there with absolutely no notes whatsoever and be able to answer ANY and all questions put to her about our economy and our banking and investment systems and the world economy and, what is more, explain it in very simple understandable sentences.  She is also great at explaining what should be done.
But, and here is a big but, Elizabeth Warren comes to us with a pure intelligence and an ability to connect the dots.  She has no BIG MONEY lavished on her by the huge money people, and when they cannot buy someone, they destroy them.
Mind, I do not WANT this to happen.  But I cannot see any other outcome.  Color me jaundiced in my dotage, if you will.  Speaking Truth to Power comes from a brave mouth, but one which will be shut up and stopped, one way or another.

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« Reply #1055 on: December 07, 2013, 10:50:59 AM »
I like her and hope she continues without being shut down however, thinking of her as presidential material I am realizing she does not have any executive experience nor international experience which as long as the middle east is in an uproar I think we need. She is a strong advocate for justice but does not show how she could get along with those who disagree and as president that would be more than half the congress.

With as many negatives that Bill brings and in spite of his bumbling 6 years ago (he has pulled himself together) Hillary was still able to come very close to Obama - and being honest we have to admit that Obama did bring out the black vote that was not traditionally there. And so when push comes to shove  I do think Hillary is the stronger candidate. For that matter at this point with the contentious congress a factor Bill could even be an asset. Just his command of the situation and being able to sum it up he could be a valuable spokesman that I think some of the miss information about the Health care is because there was not a single voice adequately explaining it during and after the process of it becoming law.  

I still do not understand it - I only know some of the benefits but that is not understanding the law and how it functions nor who is changed by the law. I have to listen and poke around to try and get a picture. Obama gets many things right and works hard but he is not a great communicator - he reminds me of one of these quiet husbands who is so busy with his job he never thinks to call home to keep in touch.

The pubs will hold the fact that Hillary has no executive experience against her nor did she really accomplish that much as Sec of State. But I doubt the votes are there for any of the male candidates they may finally select. They have stepped on too many toes, Women, Blacks, Latinos, gays, and the college age voter. They continue to do their best to reduce if not eliminate these voters.
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« Reply #1056 on: December 07, 2013, 12:10:24 PM »
I agree with you, Barb, that Hilary is the better candidate.   Altho is she the better liked candidate?  I think that the candidate's personality has a lot to do with whether he/she wins.

As to the Affordable Health Care Plan,  it is very confusing.  I think it should have been a one-payer plan -- Medicare for all.  

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« Reply #1057 on: December 08, 2013, 09:36:25 AM »
I am probably going to be booed, but darn it all. Vice Presidents or Presidents wives in a pinch attend other countries state funerals. Not sitting Presidents.. Obama is sometimes annoying with his penchant for doing his thing. A person can be your ppersonal hero, but as President, you must remember you represent the country.
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« Reply #1058 on: December 08, 2013, 11:28:51 AM »
I agree, Steph.  Just the security thing is a major issue/expense/problem for host country/etc.
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« Reply #1059 on: December 08, 2013, 11:31:44 AM »
Steph wrote "Obama is sometimes annoying with his penchant for doing his thing. A person can be your personal hero, but as President, you must remember you represent the country. "

Not sure what you mean about Obama's penchant for doing his thing.  What thing?
And don't you think he realizes and acts in order to represent our country?

Marge

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« Reply #1060 on: December 08, 2013, 11:57:30 AM »
I think we like a candidate because of what and how the media represents them or how in the world would a Ted Cruz win over David Dewhurst, a long time favorite Republican but of the old school republicans. The media never said he was from Canada which here in this state would have been death at the doorway - the media is controlled during a state election by those who can afford the coverage and how to influence the coverage and according to war chest is controlled somewhat in a national election.  I say somewhat because the opposite party candidate also has a war chest being used to tear down the other candidate.

Those war chests are the means to influence the public with the right combo of campaign tactics that can be bought. So that where i too like Warren over Hillary I do not see enough big money names who will  support Warren's candidacy - she is making enemies of the very people on wall street that she needs if she were to go for president.

The one who is building a system that could be on the radar is Kirsten Gillibrand - she is building a following among both book readers and among progressive women and she is building a war chest as well as beginning to get placed on visible and viable committees.    

Books to read that tell us how it really is that our opinions are altered - Into The Buzzsaw by Kristina Borjesson;  Coercion by Douglas Rushkoff; Mass Media and American Politics by Doris A Graber; 50 Things You're Not Supposed to Know by Kick, Russ and Kick , Russ; Media and Political Engagement: Citizens, Communication and Democracy Communication, Society and Politics by Peter Dahlgren

If you read no other I would strongly recommend reading Coercion which helps us realize that those of us who think we cannot be coerced - the skill in which that attitude is used to turn us into whatever the manipulation is about - those of us who think 'no way Jose' are easier to manipulate than those who we see as easy targets.  This understanding of how we are affected by what they say is more than politics.
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« Reply #1061 on: December 09, 2013, 09:15:45 AM »
Obama sometimes speaks before he thinks. Not all the time certainly, but the minute Mandela died, he talked of wanting to attend the funeral and he just should not. I note that he has since remained quiet.. Sitting Presidents sometimes attend VIP funerals in the US, but never abroad. We send the Veep,,less risk.
Yes, it is startling but we actually have three women who could all forge ahead.. Kristan is really making a name for herself. Hillary already has and Elizabeth is so very bright and I understand raised a lot of money in Mass...
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« Reply #1062 on: December 10, 2013, 05:40:39 AM »
I see where President Obama and Michelle Obama, former president George W. Bush  and first lady Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton all traveled together aboard Air Force One to So. Africa to attend the funeral of Nelson Mandela.  Also coming will be Bill Clinton and Chelsea who have been in So. America and Jimmy Carter.  Over 100 world leaders are expected to attend.

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« Reply #1063 on: December 10, 2013, 08:52:16 AM »
Still remember Mandela going to Cuba, hugging Castro. Talking of how wonderful the whole country was.. So I still think it is wrong to go.
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« Reply #1064 on: December 10, 2013, 08:55:20 AM »
I would guess that President Obama has had this funeral on his mind for a long time, and that he didn't just speak out without thought. Nelson Mandela was clearly dying, so there would have been some discussion and planning on this, even if unofficial.

It's raining in S.Africa, which is considered a blessing and honors a great man.

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« Reply #1065 on: December 10, 2013, 06:48:49 PM »
First female to lead an American car company.....Mary Barra, who began her career at  GM as a co-op student.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2013/12/10/mary-barra-named-as-new-gm-ceo-becoming-first-female-chief-for-the-automaker/

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« Reply #1066 on: December 10, 2013, 09:54:08 PM »
Did you notice the two sitting on the right as you look at the stage - they did not appear too happy - I bet they had someone else in contention for the job and were out voted. Or maybe one of them thought they would get the job.

Even more telling no other female on that stage!!!
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« Reply #1067 on: December 10, 2013, 10:50:20 PM »
I don't know if others were in contention.  The news I heard said it was well-known the current CEO had her in line for the job.  She is also well known in the industry, but not so much outside it.  She's been there some 33 yrs, although only 51.  Nice to have someone who worked her way up, instead of "outsiders" who know nothing of a particular industry.

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« Reply #1068 on: December 11, 2013, 09:02:20 AM »
I was delighted with the woman.She really seems competent and has a lot of experience in different areas. Hurray for women in automotive..
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« Reply #1069 on: December 11, 2013, 09:48:11 AM »
Hurrah for women anywhere and everywhere!  I favor their Ruling The World!

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« Reply #1070 on: December 12, 2013, 09:02:50 AM »
I love to see woman in control of their destinies and the destinies of others. When I listen to my daughter in law, engineer, though,she says that she runs into.."oh you are a woman" still in her field.
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« Reply #1071 on: December 12, 2013, 12:50:33 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/michigan-rape-insurance_n_4428432.html

Amazing! "No, you can't have welfare for the child we forced you to have after we refused to give you insurance to pay for an abortion, after we refused to give you insurance that would have paid for your birth control pills - you slut!"  What Idiots!

To men: your gender has no authority to make any rules or laws re: abortion, or anything related to abortion! When you can get pregnant, THEN you have some authority.

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« Reply #1072 on: December 12, 2013, 05:26:29 PM »
To men: your gender has no authority to make any rules or laws re: abortion, or anything related to abortion! When you can get pregnant, THEN you have some authority.

You tell 'em, Jean,  I agree!

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« Reply #1073 on: December 12, 2013, 05:46:45 PM »
All true, all true!

But when Viagra went on the market, Congress fell over itself having IT included in health insurance.

I honestly, with all my heart, believe it to be true that if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

Oh, and of course, paid for in full by medical insurance!

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« Reply #1074 on: December 13, 2013, 01:31:24 AM »
Absodefinitely, MaryPage!

The war on women continues.  I just heard on the Rachel Maddow program that the Michigan state legislature passed a bill that makes it unlawful for health insurance policies to cover abortions.  In order to have coverage for abortions, a woman must purchase a separate "abortion coverage policy."  i.e. woman in Michigan must plan ahead for rape in order to have coverage if they want to abort a pregnancy caused by their attacker.  Women there are incensed and calling it the rape insurance law.

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« Reply #1075 on: December 13, 2013, 04:14:22 AM »
Insurance won't cover abortion even to save the woman's life?  Rape insurance -- are they crazy?  Who are these people?  How did they get elected?  Are younger women just not paying attention?

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« Reply #1076 on: December 13, 2013, 10:45:43 AM »
You've just pushed my button!
That is the MAIN thing I am so incensed about!
Rape is bad.  Terrible.  Beyond conscience.
So is incest, which is also rape.
But they are not LISTENING.  Even women are not listening!
Women who become pregnant run a risk of being killed by that pregnancy!
YES!  KILLED BY IT!
And it is preventable by removing the fetus in many, many cases!
When the fetus dies in the womb, but does not expell, that fetus rots and causes infection which kills the mother unless the dead fetus is removed!
But men say it is God's Will whether the mother dies or not.  Doesn't matter if she has children needing her at home.  DO NOT ABORT THE FETUS!  Hey, doctors may just not be hearing a viable heartbeat there!
In short, the unborn fetus TRUMPS THE WOMAN!
No matter both will die in the end. 
This is ALL about controlling women and NOTHING to do with being For Life!
Hey, stop and think about it.  Is there any single one of us who is FOR DEATH????
Scheesch!

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« Reply #1077 on: December 13, 2013, 01:04:11 PM »
Alex Wagner just did a great show about women's roles in society. Especially interesting was the discussion of how the "selfie" picture was proposed as a "cat fight" between women - Michele and the Prime Minister of Denmark - and how the press covers very little of the many Women heads of state around the world who are really getting things done! 

Another was how few women protagonists there are in tv and movies. In tv the biggest number are the Housewives shows that show women behaving badly! And i thought "why are they called 'housewives'? NONE of them are "housewives" and they give real housewives a bad name!

Jean

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« Reply #1078 on: December 13, 2013, 01:24:40 PM »
They showed the results of a serious national study on television news last night.
They had very attractive and totally qualified young men
and very attractive and totally qualified young women.
One of each applied for the same job.  They were videoed while being interviewed.
Each gave EXACTLY the same responses, word for word.
And in exactly the same way.
The men were picked in every case.
And the women were said to be too bossy or too aggressive or too sure of themselves.
You see
It is a matter of mental road block expectations.
However you grew up believing
that is the pattern you judge ALL people by.  Always.  For the rest of your days.
Unless you are lucky enough to see the Light!

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« Reply #1079 on: December 13, 2013, 02:40:02 PM »
Oh Mary Page,, how truly deeply strange. Young women need to start paying attention or they will find themselves back in the closet.
I think a selfie at a funeral is deeply disturbing.I dont care how much music or dancing. He is the President of the U.S. and should act accordingly. Not like some sort of teen.
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