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« Reply #280 on: March 26, 2014, 08:28:58 PM »
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Blue Highways - a Journey into America
by William Least Heat-Moon


 
This should be FUN!  Whether you decide to read and discuss William Least Heat-Moon's classic 1978 travel account  or share your own memories of the "blue highways" of America, you will probably leave winter doldrums behind -  in your driveway. Heat-Moon coined the term to refer to small, forgotten, out-of-the-way roads connecting rural America (which were drawn in blue on the old style Rand McNally road atlas).

The book chronicles the author's 13,000-mile journey and the people he meets along the way, as he steers clear of cities and interstates, avoiding fast food and exploring local American culture. His book was on the NY Times’ best seller list for 42 weeks in 1982-83, and its title became a cultural code word for a journey of introspection and discovery.
  
 Some questions we'll explore:  
   *  What's left of the country stores and cafes on the old blue highways?
   *  Do you have photographs?



Discussion Schedule:
   Part One ~       March 3-7  (Eastward)  
   Part Two ~       March 8-11  (East by Southeast~The Carolinas, Georgia)  
   Part Three ~    March 12-13-14 (South by Southeast)
   Part Four ~      March 15-16-17(South by Southwest)
   Part Five ~       March 18-19-20(West by Southwest)
   Part SIX ~        March 23-24-25-26(West by Northwest) ~ Oregon

   Part SEVEN ~   March 27-28-31(North by Northwest) ~ Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota,
                                                                                                                             Wisconsin, Michigan

   Part EIGHT ~   April 1-2-3 (North by Northeast) ~ New York, Vermont, New Hampshire

Relevant Links:
  Least Heat Moon's route map (interactive)
   Interview with Least Heat-Moon "Be a Traveller, not a Tourist"
   QUOTES noted from Blue Highways

Some Topics for Discussion
 
March 27-29  Part VII  North by North by Northwest ~ Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan

1.  Conversation was more difficult in these Northern states.   Most in the North were "polite, but reserved."  In your experience, is this true?  Least  Heat Moon expresses concern that he's not learning where lives cross.  Is this then, the purpose of his trip?

2.  Do you think  Fred Tomlins' philosophy of  SIMPLICITY, his clarity of purpose, will resonate with Least Heat Moon? He knew this fighter pilot before, right?  What do you know of the Snake River?

3.  "I don't have your belief, your purpose," LHM tells, Arthur O. Bakke, the hitchhiker he picked up in Potlatch, Idaho. What impression did this care-free missionary make on you?  On LHM?

4.  What do you know of the Blackfeet in Browning, Montana?  Do you sense Least Heat Moon is putting the blame for the chronic alcoholism resulting in all those steel crosses along the highway on the Blackfeet reservation, on any one group?

5.  After Cutbank, (coldest place in the US) and Shelby, on desolate US2, Least Heat Moon is sick for first time on the trip; then in Backoo, North Dakota, in a town closed for Saturday, experiences his first car problems.  He's in a bad way.  What does he think of North Dakotans now?

6.  Wisconsin Highway 35 - ticks, mosquitos..."Purpose of my trip was to be inconvenienced so I might see what would come from dislocation and disruption.  Answer: severe irritability."

7.  Didn't he learn something on hearing about the runaway teenager's father in Wisconsin?
 What did he learn from Karl's story on the ferry into Elberta, Michigan - hanging 10" under the freight trains, thinking he was going to die?

8  "Who's the creep in my room?  Tonto?"  Does this mean that Least Heat Moon has the appearance of an Indian?

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« Reply #281 on: March 27, 2014, 10:03:39 AM »
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"There's a difference between lonely and alone...I could see at times he was a little lonely, but to me it was not so desolate." nlhome
An excellent point.  The difference between loneliness and alone.  The hang glider sees "alone" as something good - even glorious - "as if everything depends on yourself."  "Alone and FREE - "
Heat Moon writes that he is experiences "loneliness again"...says only the journey keeps him going, that "he was seeing into the past."

Do you get the feeling that he needs the freedom of the hang glider to leave the past behind - if he is ever to leave unhappiness and loneliness behind?
 "To seek the high concord, a man looks not deeper within, he reaches farther out" - When he reaches this conclusion, I feel he is starting to get it.  
Let's see if he can do this in the Northern part of the country.

Were you as surprised as I was that this section, North by Northeast - covers SO MUCH TERRITORY? Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Michigan.  How much opportunity will he have to strike up conversations with the people he refers to as "polite, but reserved."

So happy you are familiar with these parts, nlhome - and look forward to your comments!



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« Reply #282 on: March 27, 2014, 10:39:55 AM »
For those bringing up the rear, we'd love to hear any observations you have noted along the way...Shall we have a contest?  Who is the farthest behind on the road?  :D

For those ready to roll - Idaho!
 
 - Fred Tomlins' place in Moscow Idaho.  Wonder where Least Heat Moon had met Fred, the pilot...who likes to fly over the Snake River.  A quiz show question - who was the famous person to cross over the Snake...on foot?

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« Reply #283 on: March 27, 2014, 04:55:45 PM »
Well I have attempted to read along but this has been a month filled with all kind of demands - from health to family, friends and two very challenging sellers or rather I should say they are in reaction to very challenging problems with the property they want to sell.

Interesting, the first two weeks of reading was like old home week for me - I lived in Lexington Kentucky for 12 years. During those years I was very active as a trainer for the Girl Scouts and so it was usual to travel deep into those mountains as well as west towards Louisville. Wakefield had just opened up part of the the old Science Hill Inn in Shelbyville while the two sisters were still very much at home often coming out on the lawn to chat. Had not dipped down too much into Tennessee but the conversations he had on his way to Nameless were the sounds and attitudes familiar to me - We left the area for Texas in 1966 where as, he was taking is Blue Highway trip in the early 70s so there was still much the same as in my memory bank

Then my daughter lives in western North Carolina for the past dozen years or so, and a few times I would take a slow trip up to Oxford Miss and across coming east towards Hendersonville by way of Nantahala forest, through Franklin where since those trips Steph has her summer home. Then my sister lives on the Outer Banks in Corolla, which is a few miles north of Kitty Hawk and both further north than Roanoke - Then of course coming home from my daughter's through Montgomery south to Mobile and across to Houston I made my pilgrimage to St. Martinville where the tree and statue for Evangeline is 'the feature' along with the church that is in the Longfellow story. The drive south from I10 which he probably took 95 since I10 was not yet built, you finally get there over very bumpy almost unpaved roads.

Then Dime Box is on the way to Bryan, College Station where my youngest lived for 9 years - mostly Czech country with some Bohemian who all still converse among themselves in their historical language - and of course many a trip over the Fredricksburg where with all the tourist trade that has taken over, stopping at the bakery early in the morning you will hear folks still conversing in German. Back in the 70s the classes in the elementary school was all in German.

Had my share of trips to El Paso when my youngest lived there for 3 years - for me the trip over stopping always at Fort Stockton for a coffee break is one of the most dramatic and glorious landscapes I have ever seen. Then from El Paso onward into New Mexico up 25 to Albuquerque and many points in between, north to Santa Fe and on to Taos and west to El Prado where my eldest son lived, several of  the reservations have a sorta town center but you often see children being left in the fields over night while the parents go into a nearby town for a dancing and yes, too much to drink - We took many a trip into eastern New Mexico often coming in at Hobbs or Clovis or Dimmit on up to I40 - Been to Carlsbad as well as most of the eastern part of New Mexico along the north into Arizona, for the Painted Desert and the Grand Canyon, loved Williams, west of Flagstaff and, of all the reservations the Hopi is one of my favorites.

Then he finally drives through a part of the country I have not seen till he gets to Oregon where again, my youngest son lived for 3 years and I would visit 4 times a year so that we visited and hiked Mt. Hood and spent time on the beaches near Seaside - earlier when my children were younger and still in school I was a national trainer for thel Girl Scouts and with another trainer from Idaho we spent a month and a half in Canada having a couple of days in Seattle then were driven north, we took a huge ferry to Victoria where we spent a day at a wonderful museum filled with native Indian artifact, then driven north to Nanaimo where we over-nighted then across to Vancouver. Later during our stay we were driven into the Northern Rockies for a couple of days.

All that bit where he drives across the northern Rockies and the Northern Plains I have not visited so that will be new for me until we get to Detroit than I am back into Northern Ohio and on into New York and it looks like the Mohawk Valley which I am remembering from my childhood - my father always wanted to hike the Mohawk trail - something about a book he read when he was a kid in the hospital after falling off a roof and breaking a leg - but he never did achieve that dream however, we drove across touching on the 1000 lake area.

Interesting how we all conserve our dollars on a road trip and unless it was a Sunday drive and even then we most often brought our own picnic. While on a long distance drive I always bring my own with a stop here and there at a Grocery store or a place where I can fill my coffee cup. I mostly overnight in a B&B - feels safer and I like the homelike atmosphere - have stayed at some motels when I traveled with others but they were seldom as curious as I was about the history of a town. I am a sucker for some little out of the way small museum that is often in a preserved cabin and in towns, there has to be a stop at their local bookstore if there is one. Best bookstore in Oxford Miss. right on the square.

I will try to catch up over this weekend especially since it appears he is driving through areas I have never visited so that i can join you on the road - still busy but a little less so and finally, although rattling at night and coughing from time to time I am breathing with no undo effort...wheee. Been a long winter...
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« Reply #284 on: March 27, 2014, 05:05:12 PM »
Great to see your post Barb. Looking forward to more. Glad you are okay, just busy.

BTW, I've crossed Lake Michigan and am on the way to "The Thumb".

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« Reply #285 on: March 27, 2014, 06:29:25 PM »
I am way behind because I returned to California for some reason or other and found a misprint in the Revisited.  I kept looking for Hot Creek on my atlas until LHM finally said he did get to Hat Creek.  Oh, I saw Hat Creek in the atlas.  Well, you are all way ahead of me but I wanted to know if anyone had looked up Black Elk.  Here's a short link that can take you other places and does explain the Sacred Pipe and Black Elk.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Black_Elk


So our chipper author is off to where? The Snake river in Idaho and where else in Montana?  What happens to North Dakota and Minnesota?  See you there once I have squeezed through Oregon and Washington. I have been two places in Washington.  Mount St Helens and Seattle.  Mount St Helens was an eye opener.  They give a history up to the volcano's recent explosion and then turn down the theatre lights and open the curtains that are across the front of the the theater and you are sitting on the edge of the last big blow.  Many gasps of fright!

I have a cousin who lives in Missoula, Montana but have never visited her. We do stay in touch on Facebook.

Barbara, nice to know you are getting better.  

 
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« Reply #286 on: March 27, 2014, 09:09:34 PM »
Barb!  You're back! You've had quite a winter!  We're so lucky to have you back with us!  And catching up with real determination!  I love reliving the trip, retracing his itinerary ...and especially liked it when you said "the conversations he had on his way to Nameless were the sounds and attitudes familiar to me."  I can almost hear the bored waitress talking to him.  I know he had a recorder with him, but surely he wasn't using it in situations like this...

Looking forward to hearing what you, Annie, nlhome and Fry have to say about what you're reading of these northern states -



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« Reply #287 on: March 27, 2014, 09:18:04 PM »
Annie, loved reading the link on Black Elk's book, the Sacred Pipe..  We've been reading his influence on Least Heat Moon...

A few things jumped out at me...

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"Everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the power of the world always works in circles, and everything tries to be round. In the old days when we were a strong and happy people, all our power came to us from the sacred hoop of the nation, and so long as the hoop was unbroken the people flourished."
   Does this explain why he chose a circular trip around the US?

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-  "It is good to have a reminder of death before us, for it helps us to understand the impermanence of life on this earth, and this understanding may aid us in preparing for our own death."

This quote reminded me of LHM's time with the hang glider who told him why he was addicted to flying : you put everything on the line, subconsciously asking the most important question in the world, "is this the day I die?"

You're completely in the moment...not looking back, as LHM has been doing.
After reading this, I found myself asking the same question.  A sobering thought...

Where are you today, Annie? I hope you don't skip Montana, but it sound like  you're in North Dakota. Bruce tells me that's the one state in the lower 48 he's never visited.  He's trying to "bundle" it into another trip- north of North Dakota?

Or are you back in Hat Creek ! :D


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« Reply #288 on: March 27, 2014, 10:48:33 PM »
I learned when Leslie Marmon Silko came as a visiting professor a few years ago to then Southwest Texas U which now is Texas State University and when LBJ attended it was called Southwest Texas State Normal School - anyhow back to Silko who explained that "Everything an Indian does is in a circle," and that includes time

Telling a story, everything, regardless how much we think it is in the past is spoken of in the present, as if dead relatives are right there speaking and the future the same - there is only the circle of now and all that was and will be is in the circle now - which I could only grasp as if my mind is in the now and if I think of a memory or of told history or of heard or read future events my mind is now and all those thoughts are in the now.

This may not be the way a native American would explain it but it as the closest I could come to understanding. Her books, more than Pulitzer Prize winner House Made of Dawn or any of N. Scott Momaday's books, her's are written closer to the hoop of time with characters separated by the white man's time in the now, in conversation within the story as all of a piece, within the hoop of time as if everyone is present in the same time.  

I've since learned there are many cultures who think in this circular time without a past or future.
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« Reply #289 on: March 28, 2014, 08:47:13 AM »
The Palouse is a little more wavy than I thought. Impressive  pix:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Palouse&client=firefox-a&hs=Bjr&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FGM1U_rdK4W4qAGC5YAQ&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1190&bih=675&dpr=1

I never connected the Palouse with the Appaloosa horse. The Palouse Indians are loosely related to the Nez Perce
who are closely associated with the breed. If you can find it, here is a history of the Palouse beginning with the Lewis and Clark Expedition. http://www.amazon.com/Renegade-Tribe-Palouse-Invasion-Northwest/dp/0874220270

Aside from Idaho potatoes (which I love), the only association I've had with the state, to my knowledge, was meeting an Idahoan stationed at Andrews Air Force Base. At the time was looking forward to retirement in a year or so and was excited about going back to his home state and fishing.

LHM's encounters with Arthur O. Bakke and the runaway were very interesting. I was wondering why he declined Bakke's suggestion that he travel on to N. Dakota with him when he said he liked him very much. In both cases, LHM commented that he missed the companionship when they were dropped at their destinations. He seemed terribly bored and somewhat irritated by the miles and miles of sameness in the landscape. The people he met, for the most part, though not exactly unfriendly, were not interested in conversation with a stranger either.

I got the impression he was not too impressed with Browning, MT. I just checked the Senior Net site. The Blackfeet tribe is still associated with them. Senior Net lists four other tribal initiatives opened between 2006 and 2008; I only remember the Blackfeet center. It's hard to believe I've been with our group for so long.

I wish LHM had included a few more photos with his book. Which brings me to a set of Smithsonian guides to historic places (publication date, 1989) now residing in the little Friends of the Library bookstore downstairs from my branch library. I almost bought them then and there. Too bad I didn't see them earlier in our trip. I still might go back and get them; sometimes it is just nicer to have a physical book to research then a net search.


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« Reply #290 on: March 28, 2014, 11:12:43 AM »
Fry, I was expecting he'd want to continue his conversation with Arthur Bakke too... They had so much in common - both coming from failed marriages, turning to the road (one on foot, the other wheels)...and both intensely interested in the spiritual.  The one real difference I saw - when Least Heat Moon said to Bakke: "I don't have your belief, your purpose "  I wondered if LHM would become more aware of this - and develop a sense of purpose before the trip is done?

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"I wish LHM had included a few more photos with his book." 
Yes, I was just looking at the photos he included in the center of the book I'm reading...there's one of Arthur  Bakke in this group.  (Also a photo of his tombstone.)

After reading your post I was struck with the realization that he's included only photographs of PEOPLE...no LANDSCAPES in his book.  I think he's included photos of the people who made the greatest impression on him.
I suppose he could have taken scenic shots, must have taken many more pix than he's included in Blue Highways...but I had another thought.

People come from all over the world to see GLACIER National Park.  I remember going through the northern route, stopping at Glacier...listening to a man who was there from Europe to see the mountain.  Because of the mist, low ceiling, you couldn't see up very far.  He said he'd been hanging around for three days waiting for the sky to clear.  
LHM never comments on the beauty around him, doesn't ooh and ahh over what he's seeing.  Just talks about how lonely he is. Do you think he's too involved with himself, has not yet begun to reach out?

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« Reply #291 on: March 28, 2014, 11:54:46 AM »
Interesting sites on the Nez Perce and the Palouse Indians of the Pacific Northwest, Fry.  Beautiful photos of the Palouse.   I need to spend more time reading them.  Trying to decide if LHM brings up so much of the Indian history and lore in these parts  because he's researching from this point of view...or if it was  because this was the Indians' land - so much of the history of the west in particular was that of the Indians...followed by their wars, or trading with fur traders, missionaries...
The reservations are the living history.  Here's a gallery -   the Browning Montana Blackfeet

Yes, yes, we did have a connection  with the Blackfeet...when we were the OLD SENIORNET. I'm sure some of you remember our

SeniorNet Blackfeet BOOKS PROJECT  

Glance over this link if you have a minute.  We shipped many many books...tons, to the Early Learning Center in Browning and the Boarding school there.  When the SeniorNet site crashed, never to return, all of our contacts with the Indian children went with it.  I wonder what they thought?

I think the New SeniorNet (not an online site) with IBM, set up a Computer Learning Center for adults...but the childrens's book donation never got jump started again.

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« Reply #292 on: March 28, 2014, 12:01:35 PM »
JoanP, your link led me to this. What a wonderful addendum to the Arthur O. Bakke story it is.
http://elementalgypsy.com/2011/05/28/blue-highways/

PS: It looks like someone else remembered him too from the comment below the blog.

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« Reply #293 on: March 28, 2014, 12:06:41 PM »
Oh, Fry!  How wonderful!  You have to read it to the end, to the last paragraphs!

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« Reply #294 on: March 28, 2014, 03:29:55 PM »
Joan and Frybabe,  that is an amazing link to Arthur Babbe!  Imagine how many people must have gotten acquainted with him without knowing the entire story.

This has been a pleasant but very very busy week - and I'm just now at a point of having time to look at the various links about the countryside in the far Northwest.

Most of my connection with that area has been from the air.   I flew into Spokane for several days' visit with my cousins.  One day, we drove to Coeur D'Alene, Idaho and had a boat cruise around the big lake there.  
Then I flew to Bellingham, Washington for an Elderhostel.
A visit to Mt Shasta and a private whale-watching tour around the small islands were included in that program.

Another time, I was on a tour of the western Rockies that started in Seattle, ferried to Victoria and then to Vancouver- and continued by train to Banff.

Always wanted to tour or do an Elderhostel along the Columbia River but, sadly, travel days ended before I could do so.

I did visit a friend in Jeffrey City, Wyoming. We drove to Jackson Hole for an Arts In The Parks exhibit.   So I did experience the "wide open spaces" from ground level there.

Ivan Doig has written some novels set in Montana that describe that state east of the Rockies well.

Joan,  I think LMH's focus on this trip was the people - and himself! - rather than the country he was traveling through.  On the few times he describes the landscape, it's usually in connection with his feeling lonely, being lost and other negativities.

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« Reply #295 on: March 29, 2014, 11:05:56 AM »
Callie!  You have really been around this area!  Did you keep scrapbooks, photos of your travels?  I'm finding it so much fun to page through albums and relive the details of past trips.  I'm sure that's how Least Heat Moon felt too!

Your mention of Ivan Doig sent me back to our Archives here when we discussed  his Dancing at the Rascal Fair  in 2011 -  Didn't we have fun with that one? I remember following up with the continuation of the trilogy.  I see so many of you in that discussion...among them, Maryz, Salan, PatH - and you, Callie - your posts were on the first page I looked at.   And dear Babi , her posts and her love for Ivan Doig's works still shine through!
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Map from our discussion of Ivan Doig's Dancing at the Rascal Fair

Memories!
Looking at my scrapbook, I see no photos of Browning.  Bruce says it was raining when we went through in Sept, 2004.  Doesn't recall seeing a real town, just some buildings, with no storefronts.  Could be we weren't in the right place.  We did see several people out - but not many. The town and the people looked very poor - and there wasn't any real placed to stop.  




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« Reply #296 on: March 29, 2014, 11:24:58 AM »
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I think LMH's focus on this trip was the people - and himself! - rather than the country he was traveling through.  On the few times he describes the landscape, it's usually in connection with his feeling lonely, being lost and other negativities. Callie

Oh Callie, I agree.  I think this is what makes his travelogue so different from others - the conversations he manages to get going with the people along the way.  When we travel, we are more into the landscapes...the scenery and the landmarks.  As MaryZ put it several weeks ago, we like to "eavesdrop" on conversations rather than get involved.  (Unless you're adoannie, that is. :D)
Felt sorry for him following him through the northern states.  More difficult to get conversation going  here than elsewhere - unless you count the hitchhikers he met along the way.  But he did learn from them!  

He writes of the desolate Route2 - and I agree!  Not many places to stop for fuel or a cup of coffee...
We were traveling east-west on the way to Glacier - (where it rained the whole time.)  When you add rain to the empty road, you need company and conversation!

I don't remember Shelby, but we did stop for the night in Cut Bank.  People there in the motel - and the restaurant next door (the French Quarters) were quite hospitable.  (Least Half Moon would have loved it, but he didn't stop here - went on to Shelby.) They took us for tourists - which we were - everyone who stopped was going to or coming from Glacier.  They tried very hard to impress us with their French menu - (they had two menus - one hot dogs and franks, the other, "gourmet" - Cajun alligator legs was one thing I remember on the menu.  It was really an amusing stop...and they had a computer available in another competing motel across the street!  That made me very happy after a long day on the road!


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« Reply #297 on: March 29, 2014, 11:31:45 AM »
After  Shelby, on desolate US2, Least Heat Moon gets sick -   for first time on the trip, wasn't it?  And then,   in Backoo, North Dakota, his fuel line goes.  on Saturday - nothing open.  Don't know about you...I would have been really, really down!

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« Reply #298 on: March 29, 2014, 11:43:26 AM »
Joan,  yes, I have albums (photos and comments) about my 10-year Traveling Adventures.  I enjoy going through them, too - 'specially when I come across a t v show about an area I've visited or a discussion like this one.

However, I have never flown over nor driven through the far northern route he takes from Washington state to the East Coast.

I think it must have been the Ivan Doig discussion that inspired me to read the rest of his books.

With my limited ability to see an author's deeper meaning, I had not been reading with an eye to what LMH may be learning.  Although I'll have to turn in the book this week, I plan to spend some time seeing if I can figure that out.

Any hints for the "interpretive challenged" will be appreciated.   :D

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« Reply #299 on: March 29, 2014, 07:53:54 PM »
We,too have pictures from Oregon and Washington and even a few like yours up at Mt Hood.  Also, we did learn that  Astoria is the oldest town west of the Mississippi.  
Also, had forgotten that we vacationed in one of the national parks up in northwest Washington.  Olympic NP showed us many sites from a rain forest, mountains with creeks running so fast with water of turquoise beauty,  beaches with the tide pools that one takes a long time studying, looking for what it holds, the Straits of Juan de Fucca and Victoria right across from us but so far away.  We stayed along one of the lakes there with my brother and SIL for a week.  Lake Crescent!  Saw a lady catch what they said was very large for that lake.  Can't remember what it was, but she was so excited and boated around the lake holding the fish up for all to see.  Another Kodak moment.
   
Since I have backtracked in BH, I guess I must return to Idaho, Montana.  Right??  Still reading and rereading BH and enjoying all the travel stories in our discussion.  Have never been to Idaho or Montana but have a cousin who lives on the Bitterroot River just south of Missoula where she and her DH have raised a family of 5 and they are now traveling about to the different western states where their children have made their homes.  Of, course, like you and Bruce and Ralph and I do, visiting the grandchildren!

Looking in my atlas, I am unable to find RT 14 and wonder if its now Rt 12?  12 seems to be following LHM's travels.  I like that he made the effort to stop and see Fred Tomlins in Moscow,ID.  And then, Revisited found him again in Eagle Point, OR where he went after retiring.  He tells of getting his master's degree in wild lands recreation management and accepting a job in Medford, OR as an outdoor recreation planner and managed outfitters on the Rogue and Klamath rivers.  He retired after 34 years of federal service. He says that "Heat-Moon made that flight sound a lot more exciting than it was."  I suspected the difference in opinion was one of perspective.  Fred told Heat-Moon his idea of having fun, "Flying ten feet off the ground at Mach one."
 
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« Reply #300 on: March 30, 2014, 07:58:59 AM »
Our discussion has encouraged me to download several books by Ruben Gold Thwaites. One book is about his travels down the Rock, Fox and Wisconsin Rivers, and one about his travels down the Ohio Rivder, and the other is about Wisconsin.

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38556
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29306
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/38137

I don't know if I will read them all, but they will be handy, I am sure, when I get my hands on LHM's book, River Horse: The Logbook of a Boat Across America.

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« Reply #301 on: March 30, 2014, 11:02:45 AM »
Just in - eager to talk about some of the places - and people  of Part EIGHT - don't want to skip over several important chapters in that section. SO, let's take another day and wait for comments from everyone else. I get concerned when there is no communication on the long route.
"Since I have backtracked in BH, I guess I must return to Idaho, Montana." Annie   Yes, and don't forget North Dakota and Michigan
It was good hearing about Fred Tomlins' retirement - and funny that he didn't think flying over the Snake River was as big a deal as Heat Moon wrote about.

Snake River - Evel Knivel's attempt/crash -


Here's a look at the new revised discussion schedule - same as in the heading...


Discussion Schedule:
   Part One ~       March 3-7  (Eastward)  
   Part Two ~       March 8-11  (East by Southeast~The Carolinas, Georgia)  
   Part Three ~    March 12-13-14 (South by Southeast)
   Part Four ~      March 15-16-17(South by Southwest)
   Part Five ~       March 18-19-20(West by Southwest)
   Part SIX ~        March 23-24-25-26(West by Northwest) ~ Oregon

   Part SEVEN ~   March 27-28-30 (North by Northwest) ~ Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Michigan
   Part EIGHT ~   March 31-April 2 (North by Northeast) ~ New York, Vermont, New Hampshire


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« Reply #302 on: March 30, 2014, 11:22:51 AM »
"I think LMH's focus on this trip was the people - and himself! - rather than the country he was traveling through.  On the few times he describes the landscape, it's usually in connection with his feeling lonely, being lost and other negativities." Callie

Callie, you also wrote - "with my limited ability to see an author's deeper meaning, I had not been reading with an eye to what LMH may be learning."

I think you are doing fine, trying to figure out what he is learning - this is all subjective, isn't it? We seem to being seeing things a bit differently.  Some of us don't see him as being particularly lonely.  Some of us do.

I thought it was telling when he wrote: ..."The purpose of my trip was to be inconvenienced so I might see what would come from dislocation and disruption.  Answer: severe irritability."

He sure has dislocated and disrupted his routine on the road.  Is it my imagination - do you see the "severe irritability," even anger for the first time - as he sees what has become of the land, the towns and even the people he comes in contact with?
It was heartwarming though,  when the mechanics didn't try to soak him as he expected, wasn't it?

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« Reply #303 on: March 30, 2014, 12:10:48 PM »
Fry...you might want to consider adding PrairyErth, Least Heat Moon's sequel to Blue Highways...in which he confines himself to one small county in Kansas!  A departure from the sweeping picture of the country we see in Blue Highways - but perhaps, the same theme?

This new work from the author of Blue Highways ( LJ 11/1/82) is an immersion into the past, present, and future of Chase County in south central Kansas. Located in the heart of the Flint Hills, the sparsely populated area contains one of the best remaining tracts of tallgrass prairie that once covered much of the Midwest. ("PrairyErth" is an old geologic term for prairie soils). Having spent six years engaging in "participatory history," Heat-Moon creates a feel for the land and a rural way of life that seems to be dead or dying across America. Dividing his book into quadrangles, he presents a verbal map that examines the county's geological, natural, and human history. This is a fascinating book that could be improved only with the addition of an index. Highly recommended, especially for local, natural, and Western history collections.

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« Reply #304 on: March 30, 2014, 12:27:45 PM »
Before we say goodbye to Montana, I have a nice story to tell of a good friend of ours who was born on one of the Montana's ranches.  He was told that Charles Russell had worked as a cowboy at their Woodward Ranch.  Russell was an honored artist and story teller whose life ended as our friend, a Woodward, was being born in 1925.  When we visited the Amon Carter Art Museum in Fort Worth, TX in 1980,  I spent a great deal of my time reading letters from Russell and Remington, another well known artist, telling each other funny stories about their different lives.  That's my story and I'm sticking' to it!  I just finished reading the Montana History Book that tells about the open range ranches in Montana and Charlie Russell's influences on the other cowboys in the Boseman area.  

I do remember us sending books to the Blackfoot Indians and I was in charge of the Cass Lake reservation and talked to the lady in Minnestota about what books and authors we both liked, such as, Louise Erdrich who writes for children and adults.

Now, I must toddle off to my book and read about North Dakota and Minnesota and Michigan before I join you in Michigan.Ta Ta!!
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« Reply #305 on: March 30, 2014, 12:28:59 PM »
It's in the back of my mind, JoanP, but I want to do his River Horse first.

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« Reply #306 on: March 30, 2014, 12:41:29 PM »
That's interesting, Annie. When I was in my horse phase up through high school, I loved looking at the Remington and Russell paintings. If pressed, I would have to say I liked Russell's paintings a wee more than Remington's. I didn't know they corresponded. Perhaps someone has put together a volume of their letters, I'll have to investigate.

An earlier artist I enjoy is George Catlin. When Mom passed away I retrieved the two volumes of his letters, notes and art that I had originally given to my parents  (Dad especially liked his work).

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« Reply #307 on: March 30, 2014, 12:44:21 PM »
Did you get the feeling while he was driving, driving, driving through all those  northern states, that he was getting desperate for conversation?  I was - knowing how much he depended on people.  Not too many conversations this time...but we ought to pay attention to the few that he wrote about here...the teenage runaway for example.

Fry, one thing struck me in the Publishers' Weekly description of Prairyerth - written after he finished Blue Highways - "Heat-Moon creates a feel for the land and a rural way of life that seems to be dead or dying across America."  I've a feeling that he's picking up this theme in his circular travel in America.

Annie, that is a good story - do you remember reading anything about the Blackfeet or other Indians in Montana back in the 1920's?  I know Remington painted many pictures of Indians


Fry - I read this about George Catlin - "No artist devoted himself more passionately to a single subject than George Catlin. ... Catlin, who is accused by some of exploiting the Indians he painted ..."

I wonder if anyone is painting the Indians on reservations today...

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« Reply #308 on: March 30, 2014, 04:18:16 PM »
Your question interested me, JoanP, so I am off on a research tangent again. Found this interesting article in Native Peoples Magazine (didn't know it existed) about Ledger Art:
http://www.nativepeoples.com/Native-Peoples/September-October-2011/Looking-Between-the-Lines/

Wikipedia has a list of Native American Artists and their tribal affiliation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Native_American_artists

Most of what I am seeing in my research of contemporary painting of Native Americans is art they themselves are doing. Contemporary/modern, whatever, not my style.

Oh heavens, we are getting sleet/ice rain. Will this winter never let go?


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« Reply #309 on: March 30, 2014, 04:18:45 PM »
My next connection is somewhat incredible and is my story of Minnesota.  In following LHM's travel thru Ninnesota, I came upon a familiar town name, Bimidji, MN!

This is another story of coincidences.  Back in the early 1950's, my brother Joe, and our cousin used to drive up to Bimidji in the summer when Bill had time away from the seminary where he was studying to become a priest.  They went to go fishing and had a glorious time every summer.  Meanwhile, my MIL's widowed sister, married a man who owned a chicken farm  (this is no lie!  My Aunt Grace worked for this man as his accountant,) in Indianapolis, IN.  They retired to run a summer camp in BAMIDJI, MN and to live in Florida in the summer.  Now, I see Bamidji on my atlas is only 12 miles down the road from Cass Lake, MN, where I was in contact with a Blackfoot Seniornet center(there's a picture somewhere, right JoanP?)  As usual, my socks blew right off when I read all this. My only connection otherwise was, while attending Purdue University, we drove up there for  a Thanksgiving vacation in Minneapolis,(also in the 50's), taking 4 adults and 3 kids under the age of 4.  Not a good adult idea!  We had taken a picnic to eat in the car which was gone before we reached Chicago!  But the kids slept all night so all went pretty well.
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« Reply #310 on: March 30, 2014, 04:50:55 PM »
Sleeting, no, now it's heavy snow here too, Fry Weird to see the daffodils, forsythia and snow - again!

Annie, if you scroll back to post #291, there's a link to SeniorNet Books Projects...it says Blackfeet, but you'll see the Cass Lake address mentioned on that page.  Would you believe that's the only thing left of those pages once they shut us down?

Do you think they'd answer if you wrote to see how they are doing?


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« Reply #311 on: March 30, 2014, 05:10:25 PM »
Here's a link to the collection of Remington and Russell paintings at the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum in Oklahoma City. There are also some wonderful Remington sculptures.

]http://www.nationalcowboymuseum.org/research/about/galleries/remingtonandrussell.aspx]

As I read through the sections on New York and New England, I realized I have been in the areas where he travelled.  It was a coach tour from Oklahoma City in 2003 and we made a huge circle from OKC - Detroit - across southern Ontario to Niagra Falls - over to Kennebunkport ME - down through the Blue Ridge Mts. to I-40 - and west to OKC.   We traveled 4,759 miles through 17 states and Ontario.  Our tour guide gave us a road map of each state as we went through.
Two personal highlights were meeting participants on SeniorNet in Guelph, Ontario and Hershey, PA.  In Hershey, the SN group took me to lunch at a new restaurant in town......a Texas Road House!   I felt right at home (although I was expecting something Amish  :D )

Joan,  will the URL you sent me for posting earlier pictures work for others, also - or do I need a new one for each picture?

One comment on the last discussion question for Part VII:   "Does this mean LMH has the appearance of an Indian"....
Back in Chapter 3, he wrote:  "A mixed blood is a contaminated man who will be trusted by neither red nor white."

Two comments from Wisconsin:
"Across the central North...people (are) polite but reserved...(at) other times, simply too taciturn to exchange the banalities and clichés necessary to find a base for conversation."     I wonder what he considers "banalities and clichés"?  

"I hadn't seen the Wisconsin of my blue highway preconceptions.  Little is so satisfying to the traveler as realizing he missed seeing what he assumed to be in a place before he went."    
This is so true about Oklahoma!!!!!     Many people assume it's all flat and dusty and that everyone dresses like cowboys, plays a guitar and sings C/W music....and probably owns an oil well.
All I can say is,  "C'mon out/over and see for yourself".    :)

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« Reply #312 on: March 30, 2014, 05:21:10 PM »
Before we move out of the North, I'd love to know what you thought of that business man in the dorm at Central Michigan University where  Heat Moon tried to spend the night- after getting permission from the RA.  I can understand the man was surprised...thought he had a private room.  But when he saw LHM, did you see what he said?
"Who's the creep in my room?  Tonto?"
What did you think when you read that?

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« Reply #313 on: March 30, 2014, 05:45:47 PM »
I raised my eyebrows a bit JoanP. In the picture of LHM on the back bookcover, he does not look particularly NA to me. His current picture in Wikipedia doesn't either.

It does bring up a question though, did you notice how many colleges he stopped at for a meal? I wonder if he had some kind of courtesy ID that got him on campuses and into the canteens because of his former job or if people just didn't check. Actually, it would probably be easy, just park in the visitors parking and get a visitors pass (or not). I don't think campus security was as tight back then as it is now.

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« Reply #314 on: March 30, 2014, 07:24:16 PM »
I am just beginning north by northwest.  I ran out of gas & and am having trouble locating a station to fill up !!  The weather has been so nice (but rather windy) that I had to get plants & potting soil and work on getting my planters filled.  Now I am kind of creaking along & getting ready to get in my jacuzzi to soak sore muscles.  I plan on filling up & continuing the journey tomorrow!
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« Reply #315 on: March 30, 2014, 10:55:05 PM »
Callie,
We spent a whole day at the Cowboy Hall of Fame in OKC back in the 70's with our son and his wife who were stationed at the AFB in OKC.  But, I don't remember if that exhibit was there or not.  Sure would have enjoyed seeing it.  Got some great photos, my favorite was the "End of the Trail" sculpture which came out well.  Did you see the tear running down his cheek?   
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« Reply #316 on: March 30, 2014, 10:57:21 PM »
JoanP, my mistake, I thought that my reservation was a Blackfoot one but no it wasn't.  I see now that I was in charge of the Least Lake Ojibwe Reservation which sponsored the Least Lake Youth Program and was in Cass Lake, MN.  Sorry about that!! I doubt that they would remember us since SN dumped us.  I wonder if SN still sponsors those learning centers?  Probably not, since they caught on to the fact that most seniors are not computer illiterate!!  Hahaha!
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« Reply #317 on: March 30, 2014, 11:00:31 PM »
I thought he looked like an old hippie!  And not an indian.  Am I wrong?
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« Reply #318 on: March 31, 2014, 07:49:49 AM »
I am a little confused about the Blackfoot/Ojibwe. I am sure we all referred the SeniorNet program as being Blackfoot. Now we have the Ojibwe. Are these two one and the same? A reference I saw a few minutes back when doing a brief research said that the Ojibwe are related to the Blackfoot, but didn't actually say they are Blackfoot. When I Googled Blackfoot Cass Lake, I got the Ojibwe sites. Curiosity means I will have to research further later on. SeniorNet still sponsors the program at that site, as well as several other NA programs around the US.

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« Reply #319 on: March 31, 2014, 08:45:12 AM »
Good morning, Fry!

About the old, now defunct
SeniorNet Blackfeet BOOKS PROJECT  -

Clicking this old link, still visible on-line, you will see that there  were indeed three different Children's book projects going on in different parts of the country.  The Cass Lake, MN project, Annie was working on  - and the Browning MT project.  Since we were going through the Blackfeet territory this past week, I simply referred to it as the Blackfeet Project here in this discussion.

The children's book program got started when the then-Parent SeniorNet formed a partnership with IBM to set up computer learning centers for adults on reservations.  I assume these learning centers are still in operation.  The Children's Book Projects that we started, to my knowledge, no longer exists.  We were the only volunteers who staffed that effort.  I'll check with Marcie, she'll know more, I think.

It would be interesting to hear the results of any research that you do regarding a relationship between the Ojibwe and the Blackfeet.  I didn't know there was one.   LHM will be meeting an old friend in the next section - who is of Objibwe and Scottish descent.  

Let's wait just one more day to begin discussing that section so that Annie, Salan, and others have another chance to catch up with us!. :D We'll start Part EIGHT (North by Northeast ~ New York, Vermont, New Hampshire)  tomorrow, rain or shine!