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« Reply #1680 on: March 29, 2012, 11:12:29 AM »

"I want to know what were the steps by which
man passed from barbarism to civilization (Voltaire)"

   



What are our origins?
Where are we now?
Where are we headed?
Share your thoughts with us!
   Volume Five (The Renaissance)
       
"Four elements constitute Civilization -- economic provision, political organization, moral traditions, and the pursuit of knowledge and the arts. "
 
"I shall proceed as rapidly as time and circumstances will permit, hoping that a few of my contemporaries will care to grow old with me while learning. "
       
"These volumes may help some of our children to understand and enjoy the infinite riches of their inheritance."
       
"Civilization begins where chaos and insecurity ends."




In this volume the  term "Renaissance" refers only to Italy. Will Durant studies the growth of industry, the rise of banking families like the Medici, the conflicts of labor and capital and considers the reasons why Italy was the first nation, and Florence the first city in Italy, to feel the awakening of the modern mind. He follows the cultural flowering from Florence to Milan, Mantua, Ferrata, Verona and Venice, Padua and Parma, Bologna, Rimini, Urbino, Perugia, Siena, and Naples. 

In each city of Italy we witness a colorful pageant of princes, queeens, dukes, or doges -- of poets, historians, scientists, and philosophers -- of painters, sculptors, engravers, illuminators, potters, and architects -- of industry, education, manners, morals, crime, and dress -- of women and love and marriage -- of epidemics, famines, earthquakes, and death.

Dr. Durant draws vivid vignettes -- of Petrarch, Boccaccio, Cosimo de' Medici, Fra Angelico, Donatello, Beatrice and Isabella d'Este, Leonardo da Vinci, Piero della Francesca, Signorelli, Perugino, Giovanni Bellini, Giorgione, Aldus Manutius, Correggio, Alexander VI, Caesar and Lucrezia Borgia, Julius II, Leo X, Raphael, and Michelangelo.

The Renaissance, by recalling classic culture, ended the thousand year rule of the Oriental mind in Europe.


This volume, then, is about YOU. Join our group daily and listen to what Durant and the rest of us are saying. Better yet, share with us your opinions.

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Joan and Emily - - -  I wonder if Durant was using a different dictionary than yours when he called the draper "stout".

Merriam Webster does not get around to "fat" till #4 in the definitions.

Definition of STOUT
1: strong of character: as a : brave, bold b : firm, determined; also : obstinate, uncompromising
2: physically or materially strong: a : sturdy, vigorous b : staunch, enduring c : sturdily constructed : substantial
3: forceful <a stout attack>; also : violent <a stout wind>
4: bulky in body : fat
  
I have always considered "stout" to be a favourable adjective.   Physically I am "thin"   :)

Brian

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« Reply #1681 on: March 29, 2012, 02:09:44 PM »
Thank you Brian for that description of 'stout'. Durant was likely using either an original document in French or a translation in English when he wrote these lines.

In America no one I know or ever heard uses the word 'stout' to describe someone as brave, bold, strong, enduring, or forceful. We use the descriptive terms brave, bold, strong, enduring, and forceful, not 'stout'.

Actually when I hear the word 'stout' the other Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary description is what immediately comes to mind. I just opened my MWCD and here it is:

stout-
1. a very dark full-bodied ale
2. a fat person
3. a clothing size designed for the large figure

We have Americanized the word 'stout' and given it a completely different meaning. Come to America and ask one hundred people (who have been here for many years) to describe a 'stout woman' and I will guarantee you that no one would describe her as brave and bold.

So 'stout' has lost its original meaning here as have many other words. Language is fluid and ever changing. It's a miracle there aren't more misunderstandings when using the written word.

Again thanks for bringing this forward and allowing me to explain the Americanized version of 'stout'.

Emily

 

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« Reply #1682 on: March 29, 2012, 02:32:53 PM »
 - - -  and Will Durant was an American writer,  so he probably WAS using the word
in a derogatory sense - - -  I wonder why ?

This is not the first time I have been in trouble over the North American use of the
English language.   When I first visited Canada I asked my hostess to waken me
one morning as I had a commision for the day.  I said she was to knock me up
good and early!      ::)

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« Reply #1683 on: March 29, 2012, 05:20:08 PM »
"The gamble of hereditary monarchy now replaced a competent ruler with a loveable idiot......."

This is one of the major things I've learned from following "The Story of Civilization" over the years. Over and over the same pattern emerges: a really competant leader takes over. Things get better in every way. But in the process, more and more power is ceded to this leader: power that the leaders that follow sooner or later start abusing, and things go to h--- in a handbasket.

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« Reply #1684 on: March 29, 2012, 09:18:28 PM »
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Brian

 - - -  and Will Durant was an American writer,  so he probably WAS using the word
in a derogatory sense - - -  I wonder why ?

Durant's description of the Breton as a stout draper would have come from the books he was reading at the time, all written in French describing the events surrounding the life and times of Charles King of France. That description would have most likely have been the same as the example you gave of 'stout'. In rereading the passage, your meaning of the word fits and my Americanized version does not. The Breton was certainly brave and bold.

Durant was a worldly writer, and did not write about America. Here is an excerpt from his bio.

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Durant was born in North Adams, Massachusetts of French-Canadian parents Joseph Durant and Mary Allard, who had been part of the Quebec emigration to the United States.

Durant was educated by the Jesuits in St. Peter's Preparatory School and, later, Saint Peter's College. In 1907 he began teaching Latin, French, English, and geometry at Seton Hall University. He was also made librarian at the college.

Durants parents were from Quebec and spoke French. His education was more European than American. His mother wanted him to be a priest. Durant was born in the late 1800's, and America as a country was only a hundred or so years old at the time. His interest was the world, not America.

In the Reformation that we are currently reading, all Durant's research is European, not American. Therefore no Americanization would have been possible. Durant used the word 'stout' just as you supposed the first time. I simply wanted to answer your query and let everyone know that in America that description is no longer used to describe such things as bravery.

Emily



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« Reply #1685 on: March 29, 2012, 11:15:03 PM »
And,  to round off this little digression,  getting "knocked up" in British
fashion means having some one knock on your door to waken you.

Believe it or not,  the coal mines even employed men to go round the
streets to wake the miners.   They were called "knockers-up".

Brian

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« Reply #1686 on: March 30, 2012, 09:18:31 PM »
Yes, what a terrible time to have lived, but so much of history has been like this, much more so than the peaceful lives much of the world lives in now. I think we've been spoiled. It brings a question to my mind as to what is human nature truly like? People thru most of history have been so cruel and so selfish. Today we ask, how can people treat each other so badly? How do people w/ authority, just for additional power and authority, put "their people" into such cruel circumstances? I guess only if you've been in war and been in constantly life-threatening circumatances can you consider behaving so cruelly - or, is that behavior the true human nature?

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« Reply #1687 on: March 31, 2012, 11:52:33 PM »
Duirants'   S  o  C
Vol. VI  The REFORMATION
pages 71-75.



                                                 Life Among the Ruins

Morals were such as any country might expect from so long and tragic a disablement of economy and government. The morality of the people shared in the common debacle. Cruelty, treachery, and corruption were  endemic. Commoner and Governor were alike open to bribes. Profanity flourished; Chancellor Gerson complained that the most sacred festivals were passed in card-playing,* gambling, and blasphemy. Sharpers, forgers, thieves, vagabonds, and beggars clogged the streets by day, and gathered at night to enjoy their gleanings, at Paris, in the Cours des Miracles, so called because the medicants who had posed as cripples during the day appeared there marvellously sound in every limb.

Sodomy was frequent, prostitution was general, adultery was almost universal. A sect of “Adamites” in the fourteenth century advocated nudism, and practised it in public till the Inquisition suppressed them. Nicolas de Clémanges, Archdeacon of Bayeux, described the convents of his district as “ sanctuaries devoted to the cult of Venus.” High born ladies continued to hold formal discussions on the casuistry of sexual relations. Phillip “The Bold” of Burgundy established a “court of love” in Paris in 1401. Amid or beneath this moneyed laxity there were presumably some virtuous women and honest men.

Persecutions of Jews ( 1306, 1384, 1396 ) and lepers ( 1321), trials and executions of animals for injuring or copulating with humans, public hangings that drew immense crowds of eager spectators, entered into the picture of the age. Deschamps reviled life in almost all its parts; the world seemed to him like a weak, timorous, covetous old man, confused and decayed; “ all goes badly,” he concluded. Gerson agreed with him” We live in the senility of the world, and the last Judgment  is near.”

What did religion do in this collapse of an assaulted nation?  In the first four decades of  the Hundred Years’ War the popes, immured at Avignon, received the protection and commands of the French kings. Much of the revenues drawn from Europe by the popes of that captivity went to those kings to finance the struggle of life and death against Britain; In eleven years ( 1345-1355 ) the Church advanced 3,392,000 florins to the monarchy. The popes tried again and again to end the war, but failed. Knights and footmen ignored religion until the hour of battle or their death, and must have felt some qualms of creed at the maddening indifference of the skies. The people, while breaking all commandments, clung fearfully to the church and the faith; They brought their pennies and their griefs to the comforting shrines of the Mother of God; they rose ‘en masse’ to religious ecstasy at the preaching of Friar Richard or St. Vincent Ferrer.

The intellectual leaders of the Church in this period were mostly Frenchmen. Pierre d’ Ailly was not only one of the most suggestive scientists of the time; he was among the ablest and most incorruptible leaders of the Church; and he was one of the ecclesiastical statesmen who, at the Council of Constance, healed the schism in the papacy. Gerson condemned the superstitions of the populace, and the quackeries of astrology, magic, and medicine; but he admitted that charms may have efficacy by working upon the  imagination. Our knowledge of the stars, he thought, is too imperfect to allow specific predictions; we cannot even reckon a solar year precisely; we cannot tell the true positions of stars because their light is refracted, as it passes down to us, through a variety of mediums. Gerson advocated a limited democracy, and the supremacy of the councils in the church, but favoured a strong monarchy in France; perhaps his inconsistency was justified by the condition of the country, which needed order more than liberty. He led the movement to depose rival popes and reform the Church; and he shared in sending John Huss and Jerome of Prague to the stake.

The homes of the poor remained as in former centuries, except that glass windows were now general. But the villa and townhouses of the rich were no longer gloomy donjons; they were commodious and well furnished mansions, with spacious fountained courts, broad  winding stairs, overhanging balconies, and sharply sloping roofs that cut the sky and sloughed the snow; they were equipped with servants’ rooms, storerooms, guard room, porter’s room, linen room, laundry, wine cellar, and bakery, in addition to the great hall and bedrooms of the master’s family. Interiors were now sumptuously furnished: magnificent fireplaces, which could warm at least one side of a room and its occupants; sturdy chairs and tables indefatigably carved; cushioned benches along tapestried walls; gigantic dressers and cupboards displaying gold and silver plate, and far lovelier glass; thick carpets and floors of polished oak or enamelled tiles; and high canopied beds vast enough to hold the lord, his lady, and a child or two. On these recumbent thrones the men and women of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries slept naked; night gowns were not yet an indispensable impediment.


*Playing cards entered Europe probably in the fourteenth century; the first definite mention of them is in 1379. Apparently they came from the Moslems through Africa, Spain and the crusades. The Chinese claim to have used them as early as A.D. 1120

 
 




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« Reply #1688 on: April 01, 2012, 02:59:49 PM »
"Persecutions of Jews ( 1306, 1384, 1396 )" : in some periods, the Jews were blamed for causing the plague by poisoning the wells. People were desperate for a scapegoat!

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« Reply #1689 on: April 11, 2012, 11:02:57 PM »
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The people, while breaking all commandments, clung fearfully to the church and the faith; They brought their pennies and their griefs to the comforting shrines of the Mother of God

War, death, destruction, inhumane treatment, starvation, plagues, and all the 'man made' pestilence brought down on the people keep 'religion' alive, though barely breathing.

Emily

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« Reply #1690 on: April 12, 2012, 11:30:59 PM »
"the people, while breaking all commandments, clung fearfully .... "     That is an apt description of todays' society, and of society through all the years of history. Very few of today's  'believers' would honor the fourth commandment, to name but one, when all about them, persons were breaking that law. It takes a very courageous person to stand against the tide. I have known of only one such in all my 84 years of living.

 I, myself was never put to the test, and sometimes wonder if I would have the necessary strength to behave as my acquaintance did. Even his family, including his wife, disowned him in his time of travail.  He paid a huge price. === Trevor
 

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« Reply #1691 on: April 13, 2012, 12:18:47 PM »
Sun day  or the Sabbath ?

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The halo is actually just the sun behind the person's head, as illustrated above  (in a picture of a saint).    It's easy to recognize once one realizes what it is, although it's also often stylized to make it less obvious. Originally a very devious way of mixing idolatrous sun worship with Christianity by converts who were not all that converted, the pagan halo became an unfortunate tradition in Christian art.

God's Calendar and The Pagan Calendar

Today, the names that are used for the days of the week are all named after the sun, moon, or pagan gods. Sunday ("sun" day), Monday ("moon" day), Tuesday ("Tiwe's" day), Wednesday ("Woden's" day), Thursday ("Thor's" day), Friday ("Frie's" day) and Saturday ("Saturn's" day) are all pagan in origin.

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« Reply #1692 on: April 13, 2012, 06:35:40 PM »
That explanation of the halo is fascinating!

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« Reply #1693 on: April 13, 2012, 08:12:06 PM »
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Brian

God's Calendar and The Pagan Calendar

Today, the names that are used for the days of the week are all named after the sun, moon, or pagan gods. Sunday ("sun" day), Monday ("moon" day), Tuesday ("Tiwe's" day), Wednesday ("Woden's" day), Thursday ("Thor's" day), Friday ("Frie's" day) and Saturday ("Saturn's" day) are all pagan in origin.

All the days of the week were named for a god. There were always a 'sun god' and 'moon god' in almost every group of people I've read about. Makes sense to me since without the sun and its position to earth there would be NO life on this planet. Thor is a Viking god and Saturn is a Roman god, and I see no difference in their god and the claim of others to their 'god'. Thankfully they are all named after different gods and not after the claimed 'one god'. Wouldn't it be awful to have 'yahweh' for all seven days of the week?

Of course the Vikings and Romans long ago gave up the idea of some 'god' ruling over them. Others no longer worship the sun and the moon.

There are some who still worship a god. They are the 'pagans' of today.

Emily


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« Reply #1694 on: April 17, 2012, 11:56:32 PM »
The DURANT'S  S  o  C
Vol VI. The REFORMATION
pge 78-81



                                                              ART

The artists of France were in this epoch superior to her poets, but they too suffered from bitter impoverishment. No lavish patronage supported them, of city, Church, or king.  The communes which had expressed the pride of their guilds through majestic temples to an unquestioned faith, had been weakened or destroyed by the extension of royal authority, and the enlargement of the economy from a local to a national frame. The French Church could no longer finance or inspire such stupendous structures as had risen in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries from the soil of France. Faith as well as wealth had declined; the hope that in those centuries had undertaken at once the crusades and the cathedrals -- the enterprise and its care -- had lost its generative ecstasy. It was more than the fourteenth century could do to finish, in architecture, what a more sanguine era had begun.

The Rayonnant style of Gothic  design was now (1275 f.) gradually yielding to a geometrical Gothic that stressed Euclidean figures instead of radiating lines. In this  manner Bordeaux built her cathedral ( 1320-25 ), Caen raised a handsome spire ( shattered in the second world war ) on the church of St. Pierre,(1308); and Rouen enhanced her architectural glory with the noble church of St. Ouen ( 1318-1545).

In the final quarter of the fourteenth century, when France thought herself victorious, her architects displayed a new Gothic, joyous in spirit, exuberant in carved detail, fancifully intricate in tracery, revelling recklessly in ornament. The ogive, or pointed arch of a continued curve, like the tongue of flame that gave the style its Flamboyant name. Capitals fell into disuse; columns were fluted or spiralled; Choir stalls were profusely carved, and were closed with iron screens of delicate lacery; pendentives became stalactites; vaults were wildernesses of intertwined, disappearing, reappearing ribs; spires seemed built of decoration; structure vanished behind ornament. The new style made its debut in the chapel of St. Jean-Baptiste (1375 ) in the cathedral of Amiens; by  1425 it had captured France. Perhaps the revival of French courage and arms by Joan of Arc and Charles VII, the growth of mercantile wealth and the inclination of the rising ‘bourgeoisie’ to luxurious ornament helped the Flamboyant style to its triumph in the first half of the fifteenth century. In that feminine form Gothic survived til French kings and nobles brought back from the wars in Italy the classical architectural ideas of the Renaissance.

The growth of civil architecture revealed the rising secularism of the time. Kings and dukes thought there were churches enough, and built themselves palaces to impress the people and house their mistresses; rich burghers spent fortunes on their homes; municipalities announced their wealth through splendid ‘hôtels-de- ville’ or city halls. Some hospitals, like Beaune’s, were designed with a fresh and airy beauty that must have lulled the ill to health. Louis of Orléans raised the château of Pierrefonds, and John, Duke of Berry, though hard on his peasants, was one of the great art patrons of history.

[For that] discriminating lord, Jacquemart de Hesden painted ‘Les petites heures, Les belles heures, and Les grandes heures,‘ all illustrating books of ‘hours‘ for the canonical daily prayers. Again for Duke John the brothers Pol, Jehannequin, and Herman Malouel of Limburg produced ‘Les tres riches heures ‘ (1416 ) sixty-five delicately beautiful miniatures picturing the life and scenery of France; nobles hunting, peasants working, a countryside purified with snow. These Very Rich Hours, now hidden from tourist eyes in the Condé Museum at Chantilly, and the miniatures made for Le bon roi, René of Anjou, were almost the last triumphs of illumination; for in the fifteenth century that art was challenged both by wood-block engraving and by the development of thriving schools of mural and easel painting. Beauneveû and the Van Eycks brought Flemish styles of painting to France; Italian art influenced the French long before French arms invaded Italy. By 1450 French painting stood on its own feet, and marked its coming of age with the anonymous ‘Pietà  of Villeneuve, now in the Louvre.

Jean Fouquet is the first clear personality in French painting. Born at Tours (1416) he studied for seven years in Italy ( 1440-1447 ), and returned to France with that predilection for classical architectural backgrounds which in the seventeenth century would become the mania of Nicholas Poussin and Claude Lorrain. Nevertheless he painted several portraits that are powerful revelations of character: Archbishop Juvénal des Ursins, Chancellor of France -- stout and stern and resolute, and not too pious for statesmanship; Etienne Chevalier, treasurer of the realm-- a melancholy man troubled by the impossibility of raising money as fast as a government can spend it; Charles VII himself, after Agnès Sorel had made a man of him; and Agnès with the rosy flesh, transformed by Fouquet into a cold and stately Virgin with downcast eyes and uplifted breast.  An enamelled medallion in the Louvre preserves Fouquet as he saw himself- no princely Raphael riding high, but a simple artisan of the brush, dressed for work, eager and diffident. He passed without mishap from one reign to another, and rose at last to be ‘peintre du roi’  for the incalculable Louis XI. After many years of labor comes success, and soon thereafter death.

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« Reply #1695 on: April 18, 2012, 12:14:28 AM »
A good site to start looking at some of the works mentioned in this four pages
of our book is : -


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Les_Tr%C3%A8s_Riches_Heures_du_duc_de_Berry_Janvier.jpg

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« Reply #1696 on: April 18, 2012, 05:35:43 AM »
Goodness, that's  quick work Brian !  15 minutes after I enter my piece you come up with places to go to view the mentioned arts. I couldn't have read it in that interval !  +++ Trevor

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« Reply #1697 on: April 18, 2012, 07:24:45 AM »
Trevor - - -   What are you doing up and posting so early in the morning ? (3:35 a.m.)
or shouldn't I ask ?

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« Reply #1698 on: April 18, 2012, 06:14:53 PM »
Interesting painting! Rhe colors are awfully bright for something that old. Perhaps a reproduction, rather than a photo.

On the Gothic cathedrals: there was an interesting program about them on PBS a while ago -- did anyone see it? Many of them are in danger of falling down. They wanted to stretch the idea of reaching to the heavens to the limit. Some of thee architects didn't realize that the details, especially the shape of the arches, were not just pretty, but were exactly designed to distribute the weight above correctly. Even a small changewould make the structure unstable.

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« Reply #1699 on: April 18, 2012, 11:01:35 PM »
Below is a link to the French artist Jean Fouquet mentioned in Trevor's last post.

I liked the self portrait best.

http://www.wikipaintings.org/en/jean-fouquet

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« Reply #1701 on: April 19, 2012, 01:05:55 PM »
Yes. The colors are bright in those paintings. Can it be the kind of paint that was used?

I am always astonished at the detail on the cathedrals. All those little scuptures of figures, the sculptured designs, the beautiful stained glass windows and, yes, the height. How can they be maintained?

Thanks for all the links, very interesting.

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« Reply #1702 on: April 21, 2012, 02:28:18 PM »
Our May book club online is "Women in Greek Drama": reading three Greek plays featuring strong women. Find out why these women have been famous in literature for two thousand years. Join us for the pre-discussion here:

http://seniorlearn.org/forum/index.php?topic=3156.0

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« Reply #1703 on: April 25, 2012, 01:54:25 PM »
Will break in just to mention what I found funny in our local paper and local news yesterday.
Most people know that our latest Govern er of Illinois got sentenced to Prison in February this year.  16 years I believe. (not enough). Well he is working in the Kitchen for 3 months and then after he will be teaching Greek Literature and Shakespeare writings. Now I am sure that when the prisoners finish serving their time this will really add to their way to make a living..  Must come under.  Job training these days.

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« Reply #1704 on: April 25, 2012, 02:06:58 PM »
The Chantilly chateau and its Conde museum link below has an interesting history. The Chantilly racetrack and the 'history of the horse' can be found there.

The Conde museum is second only to the Louvre in its collection. Actually some of the artwork at the Louvre came from the Chantilly chateau when it was destroyed by the revolution. They did manage to retrieve some of the collection.

Click on the left to see apartments, galleries, etc.

http://www.chateaudechantilly.com/en/galleries-of-paintings.p96.html

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« Reply #1705 on: April 25, 2012, 03:56:34 PM »
Wonderful site Emily.

I just had time to really read carefully this last passage. Very interesting to think about the evolution of the architecture and the art and how current events effect them, the  decline of the church and the disatrous natural events of the 14th century leading to he decline of the wealth, therefore the decline in monies available to the artists. It is nice to see the switch from the religious to the scular buildings.

I can see the awesome feeling that people must have felt standing under those vaulted ceilngs of those cathedrals. I have only been in the National Cath in D.C. and a smaller one in Philda. Have any of you been in these monsters in Europe? How does it feel?

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« Reply #1706 on: April 28, 2012, 10:25:21 PM »
Durant's   S  O  C
Vol VI   The Reformation
Pgs 81-86



                                  JOAN  OF  ARC.   1412-31

In 1422 the repudiated son of Charles VI had himself proclaimed king as Charles VII. In her desolation France looked to him for help, and fell into deeper despair. This timid, listless, heedless youth of twenty hardly credited his own proclamation, and probably shared the doubts of Frenchmen as to the legitimacy of his birth. He was fearfully religious, heard three Masses daily, and allowed no canonical hour to pass without reciting its appointed prayers. In the interval he attended to a long succession of mistresses, and begot twelve children upon his virtuous wife. He pawned his jewels and most of the clothes from his back, to finance resistance to England, but he had no stomach for war, and left the struggle to his ministers and his generals. When the English moved south to lay siege to Orléans (1428), no concerted action was taken to resist them, and disorder was the order of the day. Orléans lay at a bend in the Loire; if it fell, all the south, now hesitantly loyal to Charles VII, would join the north to make France an English colony. North and south alike watched the siege, and prayed for a miracle.

Even the distant village of Domremy, half asleep by the Meuse on the eastern border of France, followed the struggle with patriotic and religious passion. Men and women there, as generally throughout rural France, thought of the English as devils who hid their tails in their coattails. Someday, said a prophecy in the village, God would send ‘a pucelle,’ a virgin maid, to save France from these demons, and end the long Satanic reign of war. The wife of the mayor of Domremy whispered these hopes to her goddaughter Joan.

Joan’s father, Jacques d’Arc, was a prosperous farmer, and probably gave no mind to such tales. Joan was noted among these pious people for her piety. One day, when she had been fasting, she thought she saw a strange light over her head, and that she heard a voice saying, “Jeanne, be a good obedient child. Go often to Church.”. During the next five years her “voices” as she called the apparitions, spoke many councils to her. At another time the voice said: “Daughter of God, thou shalt lead the Dauphin to Reims that he may there receive worthily his anointing” and coronation. If the holy oil should be poured upon his head France would unite behind him and be saved.

After a long and troubled hesitation Joan revealed her visions to her parents. Her father was shocked at the thought of an innocent girl undertaking so fantastic a mission; rather then permit it, he said, he would drown her with his own  hands. To further restrain her he persuaded a young villager to announce that she had promised him her hand in marriage. She denied it, and to preserve the virginity that she had pledged to the saints, as well as to obey their command, she fled to an uncle, and prevailed upon him to take her to Vaucoulers ( 1429) There Captain Baudricourt advised the uncle to give her a good spanking, and restore her to her parents; but when  Joan forced her way into his presence, and firmly declared she was sent by God to help king Charles save Orléans, the bluff commandant melted and even while thinking her charmed by devils, sent to Chinon to ask the king’s pleasure. Royal permission came, Baudicourt gave the Maid a sword, the people bought her a horse, and six soldiers agreed to guide her on the long journey. Perhaps to discourage male advances she donned a masculine and military  garb, and cut her hair like a boy’s.

After travelling 450 miles in eleven days she came to the king and his council. Listening to her story and still doubtful, Charles sent her to Poitiers to be examined by the pundits there. They found no evil in her, and commissioned some women to enquire  into her virginity, and on that delicate point they too were satisfied. For like the Maid, they held that a special privilege belonged to virgins as the instruments and messengers of God.

Dunois, in Orléans, had assured the garrison that God would soon send someone to their aid. Hearing of Joan, he half believed his own hopes, and pleaded with the court to send her to him at once. They consented, gave her a black horse, clothed her in white armour, put in her hand a white banner embroidered  with the fleur-di-lis of France, and dispatched her to Dunois. It was not hard to find entry into the city ( April 29, 1429) The English had not surrounded it entirely.. The people of Orléans hailed Joan as the Virgin incarnate, accompanied her to church, prayed when she prayed, wept when she wept. At her command the soldiers gave up their mistresses, and struggled to express themselves without profanity; one of their leaders, La Hire, found this impossible, and received from Joan a dispensation  to swear by his baton. It was this Gascon condottiere who uttered the famous prayer: “Sire God, I beg Thee to do for La Hire what he would do for Thee wert Thou a captain and La Hire a God.”

Joan sent a letter to Talbot, the English commander, proposing that both armies should unite as brothers, and proceed to Palestine to redeem the Holy Land from the Turks; Talbot thought that this exceeded his commission. Some days later, a part of the garrison, without informing Dunois or Joan, issued beyond the walls and attacked one of the British bastions. The English fought well, the French retreated; but Dunois and Joan, having heard the commotion, rode up and bade their men renew the assault; it succeeded, and the English abandoned their position. On the morrow the French attacked two other forts and took them, the Maid being in the thick of the fight. In the second encounter an arrow pierced her shoulder; when the wound had been dressed she returned to the fray. Meanwhile the sturdy cannon of Guillaume Duisy hurled upon the English fortress of Les Tourelles balls weighing 120 pounds each. Joan was spared the sight of the victorious French slaughtering 500 Englishmen when the stronghold fell. All France rejoiced, seeing in the  “Maid of Orléans” the hand of god; but the English denounced her as a sorceress, and vowed to take her alive or  dead.

Acclaimed as inspired and holy by half of France Joan almost forgot now to be a saint, and became a worrior. She was strict with her soldiers, and deprived them of the consolations that all soldiers hold as their due; and when she found two prostitutes accompanying them she drew her sword and struck one so manfully that  the blade broke and the woman died. She followed the King and his army in an attack on Paris. Their assault failed, they suffered 1500 casualties, and cursed Joan for thinking that a prayer could silence a gun. She retired with her detachment to Compiègne, but before reaching safety, she was dragged from her horse and was taken as a captive to John of Luxembourg ( May 24, 1430). A bribe of 10,000 crowns was offered to John which after much agonizing, he accepted. Joan was handed over in chains, and her trial began on February 21, 1431, and continued till May 30. [ with much debate and soul searching]. On 31 May a few of the judges convened and sentenced her to death.

That morning the faggots were piled high in the market place of Rouen. The Maid was brought in a cart, accompanied by an Augustinian monk, Islambart, who befriended her to the last at peril to his life. The English soldiers snatched her from the priests. The faggots were lighted, Joan invoked her voices, her saints and Christ, and was consumed in agony.

In 1455 Pope Calixtus, at the behest of Charles VII, ordered a re-examination of the evidence; and in 1456 ( France by now victorious ) the verdict of 1431 was declared unjust, and void.

In 1920 Benedict XV numbered the Maid of Orléans among the saints of the Church.



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« Reply #1707 on: April 30, 2012, 06:30:52 PM »
"In 1920 Benedict XV numbered the Maid of Orléans among the saints of the Church."

And many young women decided to name their daughters Joan. My mother was one of them, and 13 years later, I became one of the many Joans of that generation.

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« Reply #1708 on: April 30, 2012, 09:52:23 PM »
Faggot.........a bundle of sticks tied together.

I looked it up to be sure of the definition. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could burn someone alive, or even watch an event like burning at the stake.

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« Reply #1709 on: April 30, 2012, 10:11:18 PM »
.....and how does the word become a nasty word for homosexuals? Or does that word have a different origin?

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« Reply #1710 on: April 30, 2012, 10:26:10 PM »
mabel - - -  Meaning of the word faggot  - - -

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the word has been used in English since the late 16th century as an abusive term for women, particularly old women, and reference to homosexuality may derive from this, as female terms are often used with reference to homosexual or effeminate men (cf. nancy, sissy, queen). The application of the term to old women is possibly a shortening of the term "faggot-gatherer", applied in the 19th century to people, especially older widows, who made a meagre living by gathering and selling firewood.

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« Reply #1711 on: May 01, 2012, 01:44:08 PM »
For goodness sake! So we get sexism, agism, and anti-homosexuals all tied up in one term! An equal opportunity hater.

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« Reply #1712 on: May 01, 2012, 03:14:52 PM »
Thanks Brian, that's very interesting. I love the way language evolves.

I'm glad to get the full story of Joan D'Arc. I've always heard of her, of course. It's fascinating how people have needed "messangers of God" throughout history and to see the ones they've chosen to accept. I can understand that need in those fearful times.

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« Reply #1713 on: May 05, 2012, 11:22:24 PM »
DURANTS'   S  o  C
Vol.VI  The REFORMATION
Pages  86-88



                              FRANCE  SURVIVES  1431 - 53

We must not exaggerate the military importance of Joan of Arc; her tactics of reckless assault won some battles and lost others; and England was feeling the cost of a Hundred Years’ War. In 1435, England’s ally, Phillip of Burgundy, tired of the struggle and made a separate peace with France. His defection weakened the hold of the English on the conquered cities of the south; one by one these expelled their alien garrisons. In 1436 Paris itself, for seventeen years a captive, drove out the British, and Charles VII at last ruled in his capital.

Strange to tell, he who had for so long been a do-nothing shadow of a king had learned by this time to govern. What had wrought this transformation? The inspiration of Joan had begun it, but how weak he still seemed when he raised not a finger to save her! His remarkable mother-in-law, Yolande of Anjou, had helped him with wise council. Now -- if we may believe tradition --  she gave her son-in law the mistress who for ten years ruled the heart of the king.

Agnès Sorel was the daughter of a squire in Touraine. Isabelle, Duchess of Lorraine took Agnès, then twenty-three, to visit the court in the year after Joan’s death. Snared in the girls chestnut tresses, Charles marked her out as his own. Yolande persuaded Marie, her daughter, to accept this latest of her husband’s mistresses. Agnès remained till death faithful in this infidelity, and a later king, Francis I, after much experience in these matters, praised the “Lady of Beauty” as having served France better than any cloistered nun. Charles allowed Agnès to shame him out of indolence and cowardice into industry and resolution. He gathered about him men like Constable Richemont, who led his armies, and Jacques Cœur, who restored the finances of the state, and Jean Bureau, whose artillery brought recalcitrant nobles to heel, and sent the English scurrying to Calais.

Jaques Cœur was a condotiere of commerce; a man of no pedigree and little schooling, who, however, could count well; a Frenchman who dared to compete successfully with Venetians, Genoese, and Catalans in trade with the Moslem East. He owned and equipped seven merchant vessels, manned them by hiring convicts and snatching vagrants off the streets, and sailed his ships under the flag of Mother of God. He amassed the greatest fortune of his time in France, some 27,000,000 francs when a franc was worth some five dollars of today‘s currency. As States-General of 1439, enthusiastically supporting Charles’ resolve to drive the English from French soil, he empowered the King, by a famous succession of ordinances ( 1443-47), to take the whole taille of France -- i.e., all taxes hitherto paid by tenants to their feudal lords; the government’s revenue now rose to 1,800,000 crowns a year. From that time onward the French monarchy, unlike the English, was independent of the Estates’ “power of the purse” and could resist the growth of the middle-class democracy. This system of national taxation provided the funds for the victory of France over England; but as the King could raise the rate of assessment, it became a major tool of royal oppression, and shared in causing the Revolution of 1789.

Jacques Cœur played a leading role in these fiscal developments, earning the admiration of many and the hatred of a powerful few. In 1451 he was arrested on a charge-- never proved-- of hiring agents to poison Agnès Sorel. He was condemned and banished, and all his property was confiscated to the state-- an elegant method of exploitation by proxy. He fled to Rome, where he was made admiral of a papal fleet sent to the relief of Rhodes. He was taken ill at Chois, and died there in 1456, aged sixty-one.

Meanwhile Charles VII, guided by Cœur,  had established an honest coinage, rebuilt shattered villages, promoted industry and commerce, and restored the economic vitality of France. He compelled the disbandment of private companies of soldiers, and gathered these into his service to form the first standing army in Europe.( 1439 ) He decreed that in every parish some virile citizen, chosen by his fellows, should be freed of all taxation, should arm himself, practice the use of weapons, and be ready at any moment to join his like in the military service of the king. It was these ‘francs tireurs’, or free  bowmen, who drove the English from France.

By 1449 Charles was prepared to break the truce that had been signed in 1444. The English were surprised and shocked. They were weakened by internal quarrels, and found their fading empire in France relatively as expensive to maintain in the fifteenth century as India in the twentieth; in 1427 France cost England 68,000 pounds, brought her only 57,000 pounds.

The British fought bravely but not wisely; they relied too long on archers and stakes, and the tactics that had stopped the French cavalry at Crécy and Poitiers proved helpless at Formigny (1450) against the cannon of Bureau. In 1449 the English evacuated most of Normandy; in1451 they abandoned its capital, Rouen. In 1453 the great Talbot himself was defeated and killed at Castillon; Bordeaux surrendered; all Guienne was French again; the English kept only Calais. On October 19, 1453, the two nations signed the peace that ended the Hundred Years War.















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« Reply #1714 on: May 06, 2012, 11:56:07 AM »
Interesting choice of words by the Durants :
Snared in the girls chestnut tresses, Charles marked her out as his own. Yolande persuaded Marie, her daughter, to accept this latest of her husband’s mistresses. Agnès remained till death faithful in this infidelity, and a later king, Francis I, after much experience in these matters, praised the “Lady of Beauty” as having served France better than any cloistered nun.  :)

Charles allowed Agnès to shame him out of indolence and cowardice into industry and resolution.    And how did she do that? :)

Vive la France!

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« Reply #1715 on: May 06, 2012, 01:26:55 PM »
"the tactics that had stopped the French cavalry at Crécy and Poitiers proved helpless at Formigny (1450) against the cannon of Bureau."

And more than 200 years later, in the US civil War, generals still hadn't learned that lesson and changed their tactics against cannon.

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« Reply #1716 on: May 08, 2012, 01:47:50 PM »
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Jacques Coeur----arrested on a charge----never proved---he was condemned and banished-----all his property was confiscated to the state-----an elegant method of exploitation by proxy.

We have read this same event happening over and over all through history. It still happens today and 'freezing ones assets' before 'trial' is a common practice of the U.S. government. They can never get enough, whether King, President, Prime Minister, Witch Doctor, or whatever title they wish to choose. Banksters however have been given immunity in the U.S. as long as they support the 'would be king', and hand over his share of the loot.

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« Reply #1718 on: May 13, 2012, 03:32:56 AM »
DURANTS'  S  o  C
Vol. VI  The REFORMATION
Pgs.  89 - 91



                                       GALLIA  PHOENIX  1453 – 1515
                                                         LOUIS  XI:   1461 - 83
The son of Charles VII was an exceptionally troublesome dauphin. Married against his will at thirteen (1436 ) to Margaret of Scotland, aged eleven, he revenged himself by ignoring her and cultivating mistresses. Margaret, who lived on poetry found peace in an early death ( 1444), saying as she died “Fie upon life! Speak to me no more of it. “ Louis twice rebelled against his father, fled to Flanders after the second attempt, and waited fretfully for power. Charles accommodated him by starving himself to death ( 1461) and for twenty-two years France was ruled by one of her strangest and greatest kings.

He was now thirty-eight, thin and ungainly, homely and melancholy, with distrustful eyes and far reaching nose. He looked like a peasant, dressed like an impoverished pilgrim in a rough gray gown and a shabby felt hat, prayed like a saint, and ruled as if he had read ‘The Prince‘ before Machiavelli was born. He scorned the pomp of feudalism, laughed at traditions and formalities, questioned his own legitimacy, and shocked all thrones with his simplicity. He lived in the gloomy palace Des Tournelles in Paris, usually like a bachelor, though a second time married; penurious though possessing France; keeping only  the few atendants he had in exile, eating such food as any peasant might afford. He looked not an iota, but would be every inch, a king.

He subordinated every element of character to his resolve that France should under his hammer be forged out of feudal fragmentation into monarchic unity and monolithic strength, and that his centralized monarchy should lift France out of the ashes of war to new life and power. To this political purpose he gave his thinking day and night, with a mind clear, cunning, inventive, restless, like Caesar counting nothing done if anything remained to do. “ As for peace,” said Comines, “ he could hardly endure the thought of it.” However, he was unsuccessful in war, and preferred diplomacy, espionage, and bribery to force; he brought men around to his purposes by persuasion, flattery, or fear, and kept a large staff of spies in his service at home and abroad; he paid regular secret salaries to the ministers of England’s Edward IV. He made major blunders, and recovered from them with unscrupulous and disconcerting ingenuity. He spared time for literature and art, read avidly, collected manuscripts, recognized the revolution that printing presaged, and enjoyed the company of educated  men, particularly if they were Bohemians in the Parisian sense
He was hard on the rich, careless with the poor, hostile to artisian guilds, favourable to the middle class as his strongest support, and in any class ruthless with those who opposed him. After a rebellion in Perpignan he ordered that any banished rebel who dared to return should have his testicles amputated. In his war with the nobles he had some special enemies or traitors imprisoned for years in iron cages. These were contrived by the Bishop of Verdun, who later occupied one for fourteen years. At the same time Louis was much devoted to the Church, needing her aid against nobles and states. He had a rosary nearly always at hand, and repeated paternosters and Ave Marias with the assiduity of a dying nun. When he died, he himself was represented as a saint on an abbey portal in Tours.

With the help of his faults he created modern France. He found it a loose association with feudal and ecclesiastical principalities, he made it a nation, the most powerful in Latin Christendom. He brought in silk weavers from Italy, miners from Germany; he improved harbours and transport, protected French shipping, opened new markets to French industry, and allied the government of France with the rising mercantile and financial  bourgeoisie. Feudalism was no longer needed for the protection and management of agriculture; the peasantry was slowly freeing itself from a stagnant serfdom; the time had passed when the feudal barons could make their own laws, mint their own coins, play sovereign in their domains; by fair means or foul he would bring them, one by one, to submission and order. He restricted their right to trespass on peasant properties in their hunts, established a governmental postal service that ran through their estates ( 1464 ), forbade them to wage private wars, and demanded of them all the back dues they had failed to pay their liege lords, the kings of France.

They did not like him. Representatives of 500 noble families met in Paris and formed the ‘ Ligue du bien public’ , to uphold their privileges in the sacred name of the public good. Louis’ own brother, Charles, Duke of Berry, decamped to Brittany, and headed the revolt. Enemies and armies rose against the King on every side. If they could unite, he was lost; his only hope was to defeat them piecemeal. He dashed south across the Allier river and compelled a hostile force to surrender; he rushed back north just in  time to prevent a Burgundian army from entering the capital. Each side claimed victory in the battle of Montlhéry; Louis entered Paris, the Burgundians returned and laid siege to the city. Unwilling to risk rebellion by Parisians too intelligent to starve, Louis yielded almost all that his foes demanded; lands, money, offices; brother Charles received Normandy. Nothing was said about the public good; the people had to be taxed to raise the required sums. Louis bided his time.



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« Reply #1719 on: May 13, 2012, 03:45:25 AM »
"Bohemians in the Parisian sense" ? I'm not sure whether that is complementary, or derogatory. Trevor